‘Speed’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

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“We find the big picture with Sean Fantasy.”

>> Yes, sir. >> Flops draft this month? >> Yeah, what do you think? >> You want it? >> Is it, did it happen yet?

>> No.

>> I never get invited to the movie draft.

>> Flops draft. >> Of course you run in. >> We're just on a draft. >> Just why? >> I want to be in on the fops draft.

>> Yeah. >> Did we not talk about the flop draft? >> No, you're invited to this world first. >> Flops draft. >> Yeah, I thought it would be a good idea.

>> Great idea. Any movie, what's the threshold? Is it sub 30 million dollars? Sub 50 million dollars? The box off, so you got figured out.

>> I like how you were like hype involved. >> Yeah, sub 50% on Rotten Tomatoes. You know, like what is a flop? How do we define it? Can we talk about it?

Thanks for the invite. >> You're welcome. >> Hey, thanks for the invite. I appreciate it. >> Of course.

>> C.R. >> Yeah. >> Much like the people were trapped on the bus and speed. You were trapped with that in Friedland for six weeks. It's your skate.

>> You're back. >> A wonderful bus ride around Los Angeles with that. >> You were going 50 miles an hour whole time. >> It's right. >> And you're doing some thrones.

Is that done yet? >> Thones ends Sunday the night. So by the time people here, this will be done. >> Are we in the 1300s yet or now, 1200s? >> Yeah, you know, King Henry just came into this picture.

>> I'm excited about some changes. He's going to make the dragons. >> The dragons aren't in though. >> No. >> All right.

We are going to do maybe the greatest action movie of all time. Speed this next. This episode of The Rewatchables is presented by the movie "Newtony." Only in theaters. August 21st, our guy.

Jason Statham stars in "Newtony," the new action thriller from the director of Plane. I like that movie.

When an international conspiracy turns deadly, that always happens.

Statham goes off the grid on a one-man mission. I love one-man missions to take down those responsible. And if you're a fan of the beekeeper, the bag, or the expendables, guilty. This is exactly the kind of movie you want to see, Statham and you've sold me. One of the defining action stars of the last 25 years, doing what he does best.

I agree with that. I think die hard on a boat. That sounds great. Mutiny. Only in theaters, August 21st, rated our for strong, bloody violence in language.

There you go. You already did a rewatchables episode on Speed in 2017. Now you have more categories. What do you do? What do you do?

Yeah, we did this movie nine years ago. Fuck it. It's the re-speed. I told Eileen that we were doing this. And she said, "No, you guys did that already."

And I was like, "I've never done a podcast about speed. I love speed. I was so excited to get the text from Bill about speed." And she was like, "No, I know that this happened because I listened to this episode and loved it."

But it was almost 10 years ago that that podcast. It was done. It was Danny Quack, conception and Shay. It was one hour, four people, and we had like four categories.

It was one of the first 10 we ever did.

That's amazing. Was I on it? No, we weren't on it. Yeah.

“I think you were salty that you weren't on it, actually.”

I think we had some rare chemistry issues. You and me? There was a trade demand. Wow. And then you can put the rings on the table.

Yeah. You debated the trade and the S.B. Nation. That's what we commented down. I'm going to say, P.F.T., for C.R. straight up, says no.

I texted you guys. We were all text about it. Craig, is this your favorite one we've done? Love this fucking movie. Yeah.

When we do film school and it's like, let's learn about citizen can, Kubrick, like, this should be an entire, not only a class, but you could do a semester on why speed is the perfect action movie, because I think it is. The art of blockbuster filmmaking, I think that should be a class. This movie has very specific goals and it achieves all of them.

And it doesn't rest for really a split second. There's not, there's one scene where people are standing still. Which one is that? And when jackets is metal, and then they go to the bar, that is the only scene where somebody is not running, walking very quickly on their way somewhere, a vehicle is moving.

Somebody is falling. Somebody is running. And that scene's good, because it ends with Jack on, I'm going to go have sex. I'm going to go have some sex. Yeah.

This is the definition of a rewatchable. It's been on for 32 straight years. I remember seeing the theater. It could be on TNT. It could be on real cable.

It's scary, but it's not too scary. It's really fun to nitpick. I couldn't believe how many nitpicks I had. I have so many nitpicks.

“I think I have 50 nitpicks, but they're all in love.”

Yeah. I think it's okay for a movie like this to have some plot flaws, because it's fucking absurd. Yeah. The movie about a domestic terrorist who's putting bombs under buses.

I'll also forgive any nitpicks or flaws this movie has, because if you tried to make

“it today, it would cost $1.3 billion because they use the actual 105 freeway.”

They shoot an animal for all of her Los Angeles blowing shit up. There is no movie industry world in which this is not being shot in Romania now. I'm using a ton of CGI. We need more movies where buses drive into private jets and explode on screen. What happened to this...

They just said it. They're like, Christopher Nolan man, nobody does it. Like, I'm like, I'm not about it. It's funny because it was die hard on a bus. Yeah. Die hards 88.

The ripping off die hard right after. And they do this. It's under siege really the first rip off. No, they're the pastor 57. Yeah.

Under siege 1 and 2. Sudden death is being made with our guy, John Claude, but they did a whole bunch of cliffhanger. Quiff hangers and other. Yeah.

It's die hard on a mound. Yeah. So nobody wanted to be in this. And now you look at it. They say fuck it.

They do it. They basically keep on it. It was not the first choice. Sandy Boeux been floating around has made it.

The bonds never direct through the movie.

So they do this. And for the next three decades, everyone rips this movie off. I feel like this movie's been ripped off almost as many times as die hard. At least. It's like, let's try.

It's really fast and it moves like speed. Yeah. But nobody's pulled it off. The vibe of it for sure. I feel like people are trying to they're chasing the high of this movie, which I still

don't totally know how they how what they did, what the chemistry was. And a lot of this. I have a lot of bias because I was 12 in this movie. I saw it beat or two. And I was like crackily shit when I got out of the movie.

“But I think that was true for most people.”

I mean, this was like a great word of mouth hit. People love this movie. Well, I was doing nothing in 1994. Like, I didn't have a lot going on for those three years. I knew they moved the movie up.

Yeah. It was like, and I don't know how I would have known that other than reading like magazines because we didn't have the internet. But it was like, this movie's so good. They fucking moved it up.

And it ends up going a week before the OJ Chase, which is just, you know, the most bizarre, wrinkle and just in general. This movie comes out a week later, OJ is on the car chase.

And you're watching it through the prism of like, I've never, I'm in Boston.

I've never spent this much time with LA freeways in my life. Yeah. I mean, it makes Los Angeles seem like a reasonable place to navigate driving-wise. Weirdly. Like, I mean, they're almost surprised that there's traffic on the 10 in the morning.

They're like, oh, no. I'm going to be late for work. Yeah. But it's like, it made, it was still a time like, nitpick number 16. Well, the three of us grew up on the East Coast and we spent most of our life up until, you

know, 30. I don't know. When did you move out here old, how old were you? 32. How much time did you spend out here?

I only knew LA through Beverly Hills College. That's how I was. I mean, per of those cop, this movie in nanotool in the night. Yeah. It's like, diehard speed.

Beverly Hills cop. Beverly Hills, nine or two minute. Like, your idea of what Los Angeles is like, and speed is kind of different because, I don't know, like, Jack and Annie are like, regular everyday people, kind of, even though they have extraordinary things happen to them.

I mean, Jack, I guess extraordinary shit happens to them all the time. But yeah. But yeah. But yeah. But yeah.

Like, this wasn't the LA we moved to like 90s LA, like the vibe of it. And you could fill it in the old nanotool and no reruns too, which just seems like you could move around better than the now. Yeah. Like, you know, at the end, they go from, they save the bus at the end, but then they

have to go all the way downtown for the money drop. And it's like, Tom 30 minutes and 24 minutes later, they're all downtown. I was like, that would be like an hour and a half now to go from the airport to downtown LA.

But I always wonder if that's just like movie magic.

You know, we was joking with that with collateral, where they're getting across towns so quickly. Or if there was, if it actually was like half the amount of people lived here, you know, was that actually the case? I mean, that's like when you read that there's like that Didi and essay where she was like, we were at our place on Franklin Avenue, and then we just cruise to over to Malagua, like,

what do you mean you cruise to over to Malagua? Like, that would take two days. Oh my god. Yeah. So when you talk about perfect action movies, where you like look out to star the

“plots simple and great, and then it moves the way, what did you make a list?”

I did. I'm very curious to hear what you guys think about this, but you were there for the 70s movies. Like, there was an era of huge action movies in the 70s, you know, that were more events, spectacle movies like Towering and Furno and Poseidon Adventure that were massive

hits. And those movies, I think if you watch them now, don't really hold up. They're not really that fun to watch. You might have some nostalgic feelings for them if you watch them at the time, but they all feel overlong.

They've got these really baggy set pieces. It's full of, like, all start casts, but nobody really giving their best performances. So they're full. Yeah. But in the late '80s, early '90s, something happens, and it's kind of like this hangover

editing energy. Yeah.

And then everything that comes in the wake of it is basically incredible for 10 years.

Now, I have Rose colored teenager goggles on with these movies, but... No, I think you're right, though. So I'll do what I think is tier one.

“Can I give you one movie though that I think to find that in the 70s, the Warriors?”

Yeah. That movie's 91 minutes. Yeah. Similarly, a movie that where people are on the run the whole time. Right.

That movie is the same kind of thing where it's like, I don't even know what you'd cut. It's just like a filet mignon, which is what speeds like, anyway, go ahead. Okay. Maybe I'll do tier two first. Okay.

So, broken arrow, con air, independent stay, the long kiss good night, cliffhanger, true lies, last action hero, last boy scout, demolition man, fifth element, hard target, executive decision. I'm sure I forgot. And so I'm here in there, but that's mostly one of the tier one.

Die hard, crimson tide, hunt for a doctor over, T2, point break, the matrix, blade, face

off, first mission impossible, lethal weapon, fugitive, heat, under siege.

“And I think at the top of the heap, the speed.”

I did an action movie, champion ship belt starting with first blood. Mm. I think for that part, first modern action movie, where it's like, it starts out as a movie. And then also an action gets added to it, right? But I had first blood terminator, first blood two, predator, die hard, it's just the

belt getting passed. Leave the weapon to total recall, terminator two, under siege. I have cliffhanger in there, other people don't, I think cliffhanger's great. I think cliffhanger's aged pretty well, the fugitive and speed, yes. And you can just see like, so that's 12 movies and 12 years.

And there are all kind of leading to speed and speeds learned lessons from like, hey, what made the terminator work? Yes. You know, what made, what's the best part about die hard? And then it just kind of was like an AI intelligence of all these other things that worked

and they just made it all happen together. So one of the things about speed and fugitive, those are two movies of my, one of my earliest recollections of saw the movie went back and saw it the next day, which goes to show you like, the word of mouth that came out about both of those movies, even in the 90s when I was still like a decent, like, I'm starting to understand what film culture is like,

even though my dad was in the house like being like, oh, lots of people like this. It was like, you were running around your friends, like, have you seen, you get, oh my God, dude, we got to go. And both of those movies are action films, but with thriller conceits, like fugitive is a hitchcock movie, essentially like a wrongly accused man.

And speed could have been a dirty Harry movie. Like speed could have been like, there's a crazy man, like targeting buses in Los Angeles, but bomb squad detective Jack Craven, yeah, Bronson Eastwood, it could have been like

a McQueen movie, but they turn it into this, like, wide screen, explosive, never stop action

movie. Yeah. I feel like adrenaline is the thing that they tap into. Exactly. It's that feeling of just like, you're shaking the whole time you're watching the

movie and how do you say it's a adrenaline problem solving like the guys that came this next wave of action movie guys like Kiana, Snipes, Willis, Nick Cage, there, it's less about like those guys winning fights and being like the strongest, like which is what we had the 80s and it's more like, how do we get out of this? I'll try anything.

Yeah. Oh my God, he's going to do that. Like when Kiana gets under the bus, it's fucking insane, no normal person would do that, you know? And it's same thing with Dyer, like Dyer, and I feel like Dyer had cracked the code on

that when he's like, oh, what was it that elevator shaft? What was the craziest thing he did that movie? Or when he's swaying off the top? Yeah. Like we're, anybody's like a normal guy like, I guess I got to do this.

I just think also like the taping to the back, I mean, all these, yes, it's like, it's using your brain as much as your body. Yeah. And pretty regular guys, like, Kiana Reeves barely wins a fight with Dennis Hopper. Like he's actually on his back.

Well, the Hopper thing is another, it goes back to Alan Rick, made him die hard or even

“anything Hopkins and sides of the Lambs where they're also like, the key to this movie”

is to grab the guy who's Tommy Lee Jones, Dennis Hopper, Anthony Hopkins, the villain who people are going to be absolutely like magnetized by it. And we'll connery in the front of the upper, where you're just like, there's a hugely overqualified screen legend, like who is like, I'm just going to let it rip on this one. This sort of been a fun, nickel, some part.

I think Hopper's great, but it's, it's right in that zone where it's like, you can almost steal the movie if you're in the evil garden part, Hopper's another one, Hackman, I guess. Yeah. He does it. But they all kind of dabbled in a dinner, this one was Cape Fair.

Two months after I came out, saying that's why he loves this stuff. Born for it. Who showed it to you? How old are you and you saw it? This was a movie that was, like, my dad put it on for me and it was, it just felt

like it was always on, like, TNT or something and it was a big cable watch back when people

did that for me. Keanu. Yeah. Point breaks, speed, the matrix, John Wick. Yeah.

Just those four, that's about as good of a Mount Rushmore of, what kind of action movies did you make back in the day, Keanu? Well, if you might have heard of John Wick, I made four of those, the three matrixes. But between point break and speed, it's a little dicey for him and that was part of the charm of this movie.

Like, really can't it, just watch them bomb and Dracula, he's terrible and Dracula, but that was a big hit. That movie was very successful.

“I think it's, he was trying to do a thing that you see a lot of actors do now.”

This is something like Xiaomi does, where you're really trying to balance the quality work with the mainstream work and trying to find a middle ground for those two things. And you could see that, like, after point break, he kind of very strongly pivots against that. He's like, I'm going to do Shakespeare.

You know, art house films, I might have the movies, Bill and Ted to private Idaho, Dracula,

much to do about nothing.

Calgary will get sublues and little Buddha. This was a fucking benton. What are we doing my own private Idaho? It's a really good movie. It would be like the greatest zag ever for us to do that.

I wonder how many have you seen it? I mean, it's the movie that made those two guys best friends, and then the research, I didn't even realize this that River Phoenix died when they were filming speed and Keanu was so upset about it, they had to like fix the shooting schedule. Yeah, I didn't know that either.

It was his best friend. My own private Idaho would be a good up, so it's a really interesting movie. Do you want to participate? Yeah, of course. Yeah.

It's a really good movie. That's obviously not a big hit. He's making a very specific choice to do something. He's great in that. I think he's, I think he's fine and much to do about nothing.

He got a lot of grief for it, but he, if you go back, I think Dracula is worse. I think Dracula, he's, he sticks out like a strike off in the theater because Dracula is a cool movie. That's like a really fun or a movie that Copeland made, and he is not at his best.

But this point break, it's obviously iconic, it was one of the first ones we've done,

but it's kind of fun to make fun of them as it's happening a little bit at some point. But beyond, I think he's just really good in this. He's a little more yoke-duff in this, and Jack gets up and he's just like points at him. Like Joe Barrow, and I was just like, "This guy's fucking cool, man. I love it."

Everybody has to have a backstory and all kinds of shit. I like that. We just don't know anything about Jack. We're free from. I don't care.

You know what I'm talking about? You know what I'm talking about, Annie? Yeah, nothing. Is he a vegetarian? He gives a shit.

We don't have the scene where he's just like getting ready to go to work in the morning, and he's got a costume. Like everybody else in America. Yeah. Villain does have a traumatic past, but it's not played for any kind of character dynamic.

He's just like, he's just like, "Fuck you. Give me my money." Like, don't you think if they made this now, it'd be a half hour longer, which is fat. Yeah. And we would definitely see Jack working at an equinox, and he just broke over this girlfriend.

Yeah. I think all of this. I'm shit. Well, it's even like you think about Harry's death in this. It's like, he takes two seconds to mourn him.

He's like, "No!" And he's like, "All right, let's move on. We're still on the bus. We can't, like, what do we need to do?" I didn't think you'd say, "I'm going to rip your fucking spine out."

And he's like, "You'll do nothing like that." Yeah. It's actually a really good scene, because I follow because unbelievable in this movie. She's so great. But she's like, "Jack, I need to just stay with me."

Yeah. Like, you got a lot of people counting on you, but he's not just like the typical.

“And that's what they were doing with these movies, where they would have your hero,”

but he would also have some sort of a killy seal, or he sometimes couldn't handle the moment. He might get overwhelmed. A lot like watching Joe Burrow with a bad offensive line. That's right.

That's right. Justin Herbert. Wow. For CJ Stroud. You've been doing your research.

Sandra Bullock. I don't know if this is the-- Is that not applied to Drake, may? Shaky offensive line? Good.

We're taping this and July 31. Good Drake, may. Performance today. Yeah. Oh, it can't.

Hit AJ a couple times. Did he-- Yeah. The reporters are impressed. How are you going to feel watching AJ?

Fine. Fine.

“That's how I'm going to feel about J-Lo Brown.”

We both went. Sandra Bullock. I don't know if this is the-- I definitely won. I got a little brown.

I don't know if this is the--

We did it. You know, my Trojan buddies were like, we did it. Oh, we got it. Did this fucking horse? I'm going to sing.

Lift that big up.

“So J-Lo Brown is the Trojan horse in this scenario?”

Yeah. Why don't we sing? Sandra Bullock. Is this the all-time you're going to have a fucking crush on me at the end of this movie.

Four months are just on the top shelf. Way up there. I'm pretty sure I saw low potion number nine before this though.

So it's not like this was the first time I'd ever seen it.

I saw four movies with her. She was a demo mission man before this. She was. Yeah, I think you saw her in there. Yeah.

The vanishing. The vanishing. Was that before this? Oh, yeah. And she was smoking hot in that.

And then she's in. I'm sure that's the most easy to take away. No, she's in it first. And then she's in a vanishing. Smoke show.

Absolutely. No, she's hiding. That's why it's five alarm. Three. It's looking for her.

It's got posters of where she got abducted. And then she's in a. Yeah. You just did the voice like for 60%. The bridges.

Yeah. Hello, Jeff. Hello, Jeff. I'm Bonnie. I'm the man you're looking for.

We should bring Barney should be a. What are the voices for the pod? Yeah. That thing called love. Had her and Samantha Mathis.

Yeah. Sure. I remember. Yeah. It was on.

Right. I signed that theater. I'm not going out in 93 either. So yeah. But this was.

I wrote a by notes a little indie never ready.

Ish where it's like by the end of the movie. You're like, that person's going to be my life now for 20 years. Yeah. Yeah. Repeatedly casting her in movies.

She has an incredible ability to have chemistry with any mail lead. It doesn't matter how old or young they are. She is like born to be a mainstream movie star. She's a good actress. But like she's just really good at connecting with other people on screen.

And then you feel connected to her. That's a great way to put it. Yeah. You're right. She could be with.

I mean, she was with Ryan Reynolds. Yes. And then and that movie works so well. I don't really like Ryan Reynolds. But yeah.

That was a huge hit that movie. To your point about like what they focused on in this movie and what the screenplay focuses on.

“What what's Annie do we know where Annie is going to work?”

We know her job is she's fed that's I know she speeds. She has she smokes. See are. Yeah.

I'm just saying like she does it just smoke.

But who it is is it's Sandra Bullock. She got a reaps. She doesn't just smoke. Morning. Smoker.

Yeah. Well, there's a whole level of darkness. Darkness or lightness. Like darkness or like the sun just came out. Because like, I'm having a coffee in an eight a.m. dark.

Get on a bus. What would you be? Were you a morning? Yeah. You were.

I would get up. Good answer. Smoke. Go talk upstairs. What happened?

Whenever I got like 11 a.m. or 9 a.m. Well, the longest time when I was working retail. We were not greeting the morning. You know what I mean? So I would get up smoke and then go shower.

My takeaway. No, nothing on that character is just those little two tidbits told me she was out to three in the morning. The night before. Yeah. Hmm.

Yeah. Okay. Probably had four hours sleep. Might not have slept that around place. Oh.

Interesting. Rallyed back with the coffee cigarette. She's late for the bus. Fortunately, she knows Sam. She knows Sam.

Are you calling Annie a loose woman?

“No, I think she might have a big night that I before.”

Okay. So she's running a little late for that bus. The A.m. Yeah. To be like that bus is a half hour.

Let me wait about to start. Just take a couple of pups. Me, she's great. And can drive a bus. Yeah.

She was really the dream girl. Yeah. I think what she apologized is when she has the bomb vest on. She's like, sorry. She's very special.

Drive a bus is that on your hit list for things you want a woman to be able to do. Just jump right in. I was like, what do you want to drive a bus here? No. I mean, I like.

Is it, is it, is it, would you know, like driving a long car? When I know how to drive a bus? Probably not. I feel like just getting a handle on that would take a bit. I think turning is probably.

Yeah. When she makes this sharp turn to get on the freeway. I'm like, that's impressive. One of the best parts about him, her and Keanu in the movie is when he's like realizes she's done a good job.

And he's like, wow. Hey, pretty good. You know, that's them connecting. It's kind of funny that he doesn't ever like say like all drive for a little bit. That's true.

There's a lot of time where they're just standing there and she's driving. Yeah, I think it's the copy. Like, I got it. Well, there's what 40 minutes into the movie. He's like, yeah.

I take a crack at this one. It was we could have the bus.

Yeah. I think she's thinking the same thing. It's funny because we did obsession.

“We recorded that one on Monday and it did.”

It's very similar to Indy Navarretti in that movie. We were just like, I like this person. Mm-hmm.

And Sandra Bog always had it. She finally put it together.

And now where I just saw a trailer for Practical Magic, too. Yes. So it's still going. She ran out of tech heads later. I was at a cinema continent.

April and she came out to talk about that movie when I was there. And she's like 62 years old or something. So she's 39. It's insane. How many?

She doesn't really make that much stuff anymore. She had less than 60 IMDB credits. Yeah. She's basically been two a year max. She has a first movie since the loss city.

I feel like it is. She hasn't really made a movie in about four or five years. I like she gets. Yeah. I actually know.

So long random story, but the person she's with now. Just like normal life person. Cool. Yeah. That's great.

“But that was, she always had the remover.”

She said she ended up with Sam.

But she always had the remover for most normal Hollywood star.

Because some of them, you're be shocked to know aren't that normal. She's one of those people like Leo or Denzel where like they still matter. I like people actually will still just like people went to go see the lost city. Yeah. Because this is whether or not you'd like that movie.

That movie was actually a hit. Almost entirely because she is still a draw in a unique way. Well, the funny. We haven't done gravity yet. It's on the list.

Yeah. But that's one where that's basically a mad game in the Martian. Yeah. Tom Hanks cast away. Yeah.

It's just me for an hour. Yeah. And that's like the last level of movie star. If you can carry a movie like that. It's just me guys.

You're going to enjoy watching me try to figure out stuff and get that. You also just like you think about all the different ways you could have shuffle the deck of the two people who could have been the cop and the woman who's driving the bus. And if it's like, I mean, there's a version of this movie.

This is like John Claude Van Damman, Natasha Henstrich. And you're just like, that movie probably is like borderline entertaining. But you're not like zoomed in on what's happening at the wheel of the bus and watching these two people kind of follow for each other. Yeah. And also like really magical chemistry with them.

There's just one of those other. Yeah. I mean, action movie. Yeah. And I think that it's more likely that you were going to get that.

That's one of the movies is just for up forever movie. It's like they kind of nailed all those particular choices that had to fall. Yeah. You go through the casting. What if it's not like, oh, well, we were looking at Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman.

But we just, it's like this, this, this, they were like, I guess we'll try Sandra Bullock and Keanu Reeves. Like nobody knows who she is and he was in point break a couple years ago. But the same goes for yonder bond. Like it could have just not been him. It could have been any number of other filmmakers because there's just like this is a hot script.

Yeah. Studio movie. You got to pick the right people.

He never made a movie before.

But you get this Dutch maniac who's been studying under her home for 25 years. And you got a guy who's willing to do all this crazy shit in this movie. I mean, the practical stuff that they're trying to pull off that they do pull off. Dude, I will be isn't saying. And he brought a bunch of new stuff that wasn't like the bus jump was like his idea.

Right. The whole elevator first 20 minutes. Like he that was him on. But even like when when the first bus blows in Venice and Jack is like running up to it. And then like the flames are jumping.

“He's like, oh, I'm like, is that key on Reeves next to like actual active fire?”

Probably. Yeah. That's the thing is the flip side of his. This is clearly a much less safe time in Hollywood. Yeah.

But so many of the things that they do in the movie. So many of the action set pieces when when they were making it now. They would have just said, I will just fix that in post. Well, just we will be able to digitally touch this so it's all fine. And some of the sequences wouldn't look as good.

They definitely wouldn't feel as good. They wouldn't feel as deep in real. Also all the stuff like the elevator shaft is on miniatures stuff that they built by hand and then shot together. It's just like it's kind of the last moment. Right.

It's pre Armageddon. It's pre Independence Day where it's pretty. It's a year before Twister. Twister. It's just right at the end of that CGI transition where everything big and explosive just goes into that approach instead of this approach.

And it's why it's such a for a movie. But this one is. Yeah. I love this one as well. But this one is almost entirely like it's like the fugitive.

It's like let's take. This thriller concept but take it to its most extreme but still plausible and logical like extension of like. To have a train crash have like, you know, this guy have this St. Patrick state parade be the. The setting for a chase scene and then like have buses. We love the fugitive.

We've done it twice including a firm. But lab audience in Chicago. This movie moves way faster than the fugitive. Sure. There's a couple slow parts. Did you ask Danny Kelly if he would change his name to yarn.

Not yet. Does Danny Kelly know.

Jerry is playing a character named Danny Kelly. Yes.

“He was just informed somebody on Twitter sent him a screen shot of.”

Okay. Talk about the characters name being Danny Kelly in the show. Yeah. It's being very Irish. Does anybody call him D.K.

No, not yet. Okay. Not yet. That was a bill Simmons note. Just to the pot.

Changing to yarn. Can't both be Danny and the pot. Yeah. And now neither of them has to be. It's hyphids and D.K.

Yeah. Hopper. A little hopper resurgence. Sure. Sure.

Romance. A person. I would argue that the blue velvet who's your thing is what puts him back on the map. That in 86 he makes those movies. He gets an Oscar nomination despite being one of the well-known maniacs in Hollywood

history. Like literally a crazy person who did crazy shit in the 60s and 70s. And then he makes this crazy comeback. And then he gets like a 15-year gravy train where he gets tons of studio movies. It's true.

Romance, speed, and water world. Yeah. All back to back to back. I didn't know who I was unlike a going backwards movies guy.

I knew him from Hoosiers first.

It's like, oh, shooter. Wait. Coach is getting kicked out. Yeah. My shooter take over the team.

Let's go to that here. But he ended up having a nice run. And I would love to say, oh, it should have been somebody else for this part. But I think he's like a home run. Yeah.

I mean. I think he's so good. He has like this malevolence that can come out of nowhere. You know, even going back to blue velvet. And an energy that you can see in apocalypse now and see in any of his like classic performances that is that kind of like aging method.

Wildcat. Untamed animal. True romance talking about the Morris. Yeah. I mean, it's just so special, man.

It's just really special to watch. And even though Howard, I'm not even really sure what his idea was. Yeah. We're like, what the plan. Like it seems like a bloody bloop that house.

That was the nice location. You think that was his house? Who's house was his house? That was their trash around. Yeah.

He had the chest. So he pushed all the way through. He blew his own house. Just to kill him. It's kind of a crazy house.

He was going to move anyway. That's like, and he did to get LeBron. He was like, just to show you out. Yeah. I love my house.

He's getting him. We got Jeff Daniels who posed off the double hairy in 1994. He's a dumb and dumber and sweet. Yeah. Kind of a point to him.

We're like he's slumming it a little bit. But it makes the movies both of those movies so much better that, you know, skilled actor Jeff Daniels isn't that playing the fourth lead. It's really strange.

“I think he in the research he was basically saying, I didn't realize this movie”

was good until I saw the movie. Yeah. But I think he was probably like how everybody felt filming season one of Cape Fear. Where he turns out it wasn't good. Yeah, it turned out it wasn't good.

But when you watch Cape Fear by that episode five, you can start seeing when each actor loses their will to be on the show. Yeah. Patrick Wilson by episode seven is like, just fucking kill me. Just shoot me in the head.

Have you stuck with Cape Fear now? Okay. It's, it's the worst show of all time. But Jeff Daniels was probably like, yeah. We're doing this Jim Carrey thing.

I think it's going to be big. This fucking Dutch guy, this bus movie. I don't know. Yeah. We want to John McTierton.

We couldn't get him. Yeah. He really does. He gives it like a credibility. He's got a different tone in his acting style.

Everybody else is just like shoot locked in. Yeah. And he's like much more iconic and easy going. He's great. He gives it the face he makes.

Which I had later for the most careful moment from this movie. The, oh my god, I'm fucked face. Yeah. Which is kind of kind of the OG Shamit face. Yeah.

We address how the Shamit face needs to be completely retired. How Lynn, how, Shamit is now like a god. Have we addressed it? Yes. Yeah.

On any build on him is hard enough. Yeah. He got, he got a new contract. Yeah. Yeah.

A great deal. So Shamit face got replaced by a Jeff Daniel's face. Possibly. Awesome.

Jeff Daniels is about to be exploded in a million pieces face.

How do you feel about dumb and dumb are in speed. Same actor. Same year. A couple months apart. Six months apart.

“I think it was like Christmas and summer.”

Yeah. I mean, that's like an all time. Two fucking weird parts that have nothing to do with each other. That's got to be up there for any great year for any double rewatchable movie actor. Yeah.

I was probably going to help dumb or when it was coming out. People are like, oh, go ahead. Jeff Daniel. Well, yeah, but he was, you know, in terms of endearment. And, you know, he was in a ton of shit.

I agree that he's important for this movie. Yeah. He gives him credit for that. And that much is in 30 minutes. Yeah.

There's him and Joe Morton. I think give it a lot of credit. Oh, yeah. Joe Morton's incredible. Yeah.

There's a quality of the screenplay. So Graham Yoast writes this.

It's his first, I think, producer screenplay at least.

But he was pretty young hot shot. He goes on to do justified and like tons of TV stuff. A bunch of movies. But he wrote this script. I think it was almost all on the bus when he wrote this his version of it.

I think he was going to develop it. I wouldn't say it's like William Goldman or whatever. But it is a rock solid screenplay. And even though these characters aren't real people, they are perfect movie characters. Yeah.

“Where like you can see like Harry says to Jack, you need to start thinking and not just be so”

instinctual guts will get you so far. And by the end of the movie, like Jack has to think his way through this situation. And Harry ironically dies by being instinctive and running into a house that he shouldn't run into. And it's like just really good solid Hollywood screenwriting that's happening while most people

were like that fucking bus is about to jump over a gap. Mm-hmm. Josh we didn't did some re-reads worth to. Yeah. I was trying to I was looking at Joe Morton's IMDB.

Just never a bad thing when he's in a movie.

He's probably secretly been in like seven rewatchables. Do you think he was just in a movie? Yeah. Yeah. But it's crazy.

I think he's really good in this movie. He doesn't have a lot of lines, but he's got great reactions. I love when the bus jump happens and they cut them and he's just like, fuck yeah. Yeah. He's just like, you're all fired.

Yeah. And then I had the screenwriter director, the score by Mark Mansina. Yeah, hired in Park as he was coming off of being basically Hans Zimmer's number two on true romance, and they were like, I want some of that energy in this movie. Yeah. And then the only other thing I had for the intro was just favorite like I'm in LA movies.

It's weird because this movie's, it's basically LA under attack. Mm-hmm. Nice difference snapshots of we're in Venice near the airport. We're on all the different highways. We're in downtown.

We end in two different spots in downtown. We're using the trolley, we're using the bus.

I fantasize about being able to get off that exit going to the airport with not a single car on the highway.

That is one of the worst places in the universe.

“But like I think you have to do it at three in the morning if you want to have that kind of experience.”

Well, that was that literally the only positive of COVID that I could think of driving to the airport. We're having more family time. No, just no traffic. It's flying around. So no traffic, then more family time.

If we're having one day traffic, then no other happy things. Speed one and two Oscars. Yeah, sound right. Sound and best sound effects editing. Yeah.

We're the favorites to sure, Sean. The Odyssey is going to dominate all the below the line stuff. Also, they've combined those two categories just seen now. Now, it's just best sound. They no longer do sound editing.

Did the Odyssey will be. It's the best done. Sorry. I think that's next year. Next year.

Yeah. Okay. I'm already emotionally prepared. It's a lot like the Pat Super Bowl or deep down. I kind of knew we're going to lose of Matt Damon being the favorite for seven months.

Then losing for best actor. He's going to lose to Andrew Scott in a movie called Elsa Nor that I've not yet seen. But I can already see.

“I already I can I'm just looking at all.”

This is what we were talking about with. It's going to be so devastating. It's going to be she's going to win it. I'm like, no, she's not running. We're not a right.

Well, we said she's the. She's the favorite right now. Yes. So I haven't seen 80% of the movies. Right.

Yeah. I got to talk about this for nine months. So I don't want to get ahead of myself. But I can I can for whatever reason in my bones. I'm like, this Andrew Scott thing is going to happen.

I don't know. I don't know why I feel that way. But I do the fucking helmet catch for the Oscars for Boston fans. I don't know why I feel that way. I don't know why I feel that way.

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He's like, "I'm not the fucking football." I'm feeling like, "Yeah, I'm making sense." All right. So bad of a dead.

35 billion dollar budget for this movie made 350 bang.

Pretty good. 5th biggest 1994 movie. 1994 bang or bang or year. I don't have the list. Do you have the list of what was above it?

I can look. I'll look after we do the break all the time. 1994 is pulp. Big four scone. I got to the whole pod.

Roger Ebert. Four fucking stars. I knew it. Speed is an ingenious wind up machine.

We've seen this done before. Sell them so well.

“And then he said, "Films like Speed belong to the John Rackel.”

"Bruised for our movies."

Because you're always grabbing the arm of the person sitting next to you.

Great line. He reused that line on the TV show. I watched him. Cisco and he were talking about this last night. This is what struck me.

They both love the movie. Right? This was like a critically acclaimed summer blockbuster, which is a very rare thing. They talked about the movie for less than two minutes.

And then went on to the next movie on the episode. If this movie came out to your film, we would have done. I would have done at least three episodes of the big picture about this movie. I would have found a million ways to cover it.

It was kind of fascinating to think about the fact that what our media was that was supporting movies. It didn't require all that much to get people to get up and go to see the movie. Would you do one good blurb on a bus for Speed? Sure.

Yeah, I've been on an L.A. city bus before. Yeah, it's one blurb. It's not one blurb. My bad. One blurb blurb.

As the executive producer of one blurb I used to. You just wanted to happen. You just come out of the theater. Yeah. Sean fantasy.

Just saw the attic.

“Does he have to introduce himself on his own social handles every time?”

Yeah. Okay. She guys. It's me Sean fantasy. Yeah.

Just saw the Odyssey. Just test drive it. A magnificent reinterpretation. Fuck you Emily Wilson. Sign off.

Boom. Justin's son is coming home. Listen, you guys, you guys think I'm kidding. So top eight domestic 94 force gump. Lion King.

Yeah. Yeah. Saw that on a date. Did you just stay with me? No, we were dating at that point.

Real date. Speed and Lion King were in the same Cisco and hybrid episode. These are two of them. How long did they talk about Lion King? More minutes.

Okay. Santa Claus. Still haven't seen it.

The Flintstones, which made $130 million somehow.

I don't know. Still don't understand that. Dumb and dumb are a clear and present danger. Speed. The mask.

Pulp fiction. Save the in-year releases. Director of the mass Chuck Russell just passed away. Awesome movie. But then that there's a whole bunch of.

Wow. 94 was we've done a lot of these. A couple of disappointing ones too. Like what? Yeah.

I mean, the shot shank is 94. Shanks, 94. A lot of good stuff. Is JFK 94 or what? You're still.

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This movie has 25 minutes of elevator and you always forget when you start watching it.

The opening 23 minutes, holy fucking shit this goes so hard. That's my only note. The one scared lady not wanting to come out of the elevator. Yeah. That would be shown.

Come on. Yeah. Shall I be like, no. Fuck that. First guy jumping out.

Shall I be like that? Yeah, the people. So I did a really cool interview that hasn't run yet on the pod with Patrick Fish. Who is the guy who, you know, who is a very well known character actor now. Who is in this movie, this is his first credit in a movie.

He's the guy who's getting picked on in the elevator where he presses the button. Wow. Yeah. We had an awesome conversation about like his, the arc of his whole career. But he talked about getting cast in this movie in that interview where he was just like,

"Yeah. Yon liked me." And that just like set me off on a that guy run for my question.

“Do you have any memories of like how they shot the elevators?”

Yeah. We talked about it a little bit. I mean, it obviously wasn't as exciting as it looks in the movie. But he was just kind of blown away because it was his first like really big movie set that he was participating in making the movie. The bot got the idea from working on diehard.

I know it's that elevator shafts were scary and it was like, what if we did this? Can I just throw one of my favorite unintentional comedy moments is in like in that office building before they get on the elevator,

but they have to do 10 seconds of like great meeting dick.

I thought the blue prints for that building were excellent. Actually, you know, but you know you're in a good at what's going to be an awesome movie because in that scene, it's not like the camera set up on a tripod far away. The camera is like spinning around in the building. Really like holy shit.

Like Yon Devon is online.

“I think this project's going to be a rising success.”

Crazy Dutch guy. And then you think the elevator's over, but then we're in the freight elevator. Yeah. And we're doing that whole thing. Great stuff.

First bus blows up. That gives us the pop quiz. How chat do you do you think of how we're shooting them out in the freight elevator and then taking Harry hostage as a separate scene? Or is that all the same freight elevator is its own scene? Yeah, I think there's three scenes together for 25.

It's like the people in the elevator, the freight elevator, and then the basement with the hostage situation shoot the hostage. The freight elevator also is a great moment when they're like trying to figure out if he's in the building and then this is like I think there's a freight elevator. And Kian is like just on the run, ready to roll.

First bus blown up. The pay phone. And we're going to have to do some nitpicks as we go through the movie. But bus blows up. Jack's getting coffee in the morning.

You know, it's just talking to the bus driver. She's having a, she's ready to start the day. Yeah. This bus blows up. He chases it.

Now it like blows up again. Now it's on fire. We don't have many people around with the driver's definitely dead. And the pay phone starts ringing. And Jack's just like.

Pay phone. I should get that. I just. I just. He has a feeling.

He has a bad feeling. I know. He's an instinctual. Yeah. Police officer.

And then hopper has it figured out so that the bus is going to blow up and roll to the spot where these two pay phones are. And bank in the jack's going to run after it. I'm going to say 100 or 100. And this hopper have eyes on the bus blowing up.

That's the thing. He's, he's right by there. He's calling on a cell phone like down the street. Okay. Because you can see the flames and the windshield of the car.

Okay.

“Now, are you answering a pay phone right there or no?”

Well, I mean, I, I think that. It, for kicks, like, like back in the day. I used to get kicks. Yeah. Like if you were like hanging out and smoking a cigarette with your friends and the

pay phone rang. Sometimes you would pick it up. You're not ever pick up a pay phone that was ringing. No. What if it was for somebody who needs a pay.

No, not to be like pop quiz. I shot. But to be like, what's up?

You never know what if fucking Sandra Bullock was calling.

You know, okay. I wouldn't do that. This got stolen for basically every video game where somebody's on a run or do a mission. Rits.

I got the pay phones. There's a whole movie called phone booth. It's based on this feeling. It's vibe of what happens in the movie. I have a quick question about that.

I'm not really in that number. I can feed rip off. It is. I'm not. What's up with him forgetting his muffin.

What do you mean? It's coffee. He doesn't get coffee. And he forgets his muffin and then the guy behind the counter is like, hey, Jack, you forgot your muffin.

And then like, so Jack turns around. And at first, you're like, okay, so maybe this is so that he doesn't like get on the bus or something. But he's never going to get in the bus. He drove there.

“I think it's just supposed to be a slice of life.”

Like this guy. He likes him often. Okay. Like Sandy have in the morning dark. Same thing.

Followed question. Is Jack dreaming the kind of guy who eats a muffin? I was asking my wife about that. It's like an egg sandwich. Yeah.

Like where are we at with muffins? Like popularity wise. I feel like they're really falling out of favor. Especially at your specialty. But some of the donuts came back.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I feel like the PR from muffins is bad because now everybody is like, well, this isn't good for you. Well, you're like, it's 3500 calories.

And sugar. Yeah. So you're going to crash. The thing now that that has been going on is the PR for bagels. The PR for bagels is out of control.

And they've convinced like hot people that eating a bagel in the morning is totally fine. Yeah. Yeah. That we made the yeast better. And it's actually better.

It's way the bagels. And all these like fancy bagels spots. It's like you see these like women in workout closed at 80. I'm having a bagel. That's like yeah.

I've been team bagel for a long time. So this is huge for me. You know, the fact that I can eat a bagel. Like full nithia. That's like full nithia.

Yeah. I'm like. That's why I'm going to take you away. You should run. You should run for me.

You would win. I can take a bagel. I can take a bagel. I can take a bagel. They're great.

But like some runs. He's side. We got more. He's been on bagels. He's been on bagels.

He's been on bagels. He's been like a hungover Sunday morning. You have a bacon egg and cheese.

It's like basically having pizza.

Start your Tuesday with a bagel. I'm at three. I'm at three. Yeah. You have to tell me.

No. Long Island bagels are a religion. Yeah. We bagels every Saturday. Love the bagels.

It's on the bus. Sam holds the bus for. Mm-hmm. And makes it run a little bit though. Yeah.

She has to throw down the dart. Um, hops on. Get sits next to uh, which is right.

Out of powder away.

But like when you saw women smoking where you're like, you're going on the list.

I'm interested. No. It's more. It's it's fellow traveler. What did it tell you?

It's like you're outside. You're outside.

“She has a smoke break or you're outside of bar or you're, you know, like, do you have a light?”

It's just like a icebreaker.

It's like when crews, he's a fellow of Scientologists.

He's like, how does he know they're a Scientologist? Talk clearly about the fiends. We're cutting out. We're trying to get crews on the river. Now, keep it.

So she gets on the bus. Keep it. She gets on the bus. Keep it. secrets. She gets on the bus. He's telling me. He's the bus. He's the bus. He's the bus. He had who

hops in his 1974 Broncos. One of the best cars ever. Not a car, but I want to chase down a bus in though. No. Yeah. Rick and E a little wobbly. Uh, get saying finds finds. Uh, Glenn. They won't let him on. It gets Glenn Plummer. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know where. Tune me hops into the Jaguar. Figures that I get on the bus. It's just a wonderful seven minutes. Probably doesn't need to strike the two doors on the side of the car. That felt like he was going a little extra. Well, so I think that it's a cool move. The elevator's

great. Uh, hit the bus blowing up is great. When he opens the car door and slams on the brakes to smash it almost start a 40 car accident. That's when the prayer circle starts and they just did that. You're doing tricks just have. Yes. Yeah. Like that's just the real thing that they did while making. There's a couple of things. I don't want to step on great shock or no, but it's not that important of a category. There's a couple of shots in this where I'm like, so what was take two going to be?

Right. Did you guys have another Jaguar with the like the exact same Jaguar with directors? Yeah. That's direct. That's direct. It's soccer. Just think about this. This 12 months in

“Yonda Bond's life is he shoots basic instinct as the cinematographer. He's the man behind the”

camera for the most notorious scene of the 1990s. He finds the keylight. Yes. And then he makes speed. This guy is fucking crazy. And then he's like, what's next for me? Twister cows are going to be flying in the air. Truly. Uh, stand or get off. Mm-hmm. Really good one. Right. I forgot to mention it's not a rewatchable scene, but I love when the guy, the criminal, on the bus thinks Jack's there for him. Awesome. Shoot Sam. Yeah. It was fun when somebody just

gets randomly shot, but lives in an action movie. The, uh, the old lady blowing up, moving Sam off. The, the, the bus. And, and then Beth Grants character getting blown up is it. One of my favorite moments in the movies in the 90s. I sent you screenshots of this last time. You can see it cuts to her and she's like, uh, like, like, almost like a crack at it. I got to say, uh, the fucking guy who should be exiled to Siberia is the one cop who's like, come on. Yeah. It's like right. This is, this is like

widely communicated that they're not allowed to get off the bus. What are you tempting these people for? Just jump, lady. Uh, the bus jump. This movie just does not let up. Every time we're like, oh, let's get some backstory. It's like, nope. Next problem. Yeah. They didn't finish the bridge. What do you mean? Um, he shoots it like the charge of the light brigade too, where it's like, Joe Morton watching the bus go off as like the sun is starting to, to crest and it's like,

so we, I mean, we might as well do the nitpicks for this now. This is probably the most unrealistic great scene in the history of movies. But physically possible. Wow. I wish I'd prepared for that. The bus goes up. If there is an incline, there is physically possible. When you look at how they do it, it's pretty straight. I've read on Reddit. There are, are flash physics. I read on it. I know, I went to like a real Reddit board. Sure. Oh, yeah. No one of these fake ones.

Yeah. Yeah. They did a viable one. They did a myth fusters episode. And you did this.

2009. And here's what we found out. Um, it was impossible under real world conditions was,

“was the legacy of this in your face, or was there seeing is that it's kinetically possible?”

You know what I mean? I think you would have to go. I got the ramp would have to be like this. Yeah. It looks like it hits something that kind of pops the nose up. It does. It was like when you'd go over like a, a little hill with your BMX bike. Yeah. You've got a little jump. So this was a little crazy Dutch thing where he heard about that there was a space between the two highways is like, do you will do a jump? And they just do it. There's, do you do him his gold member?

Like, did you just talk like gold member? I love speed. What do we jump?

that the bus lands and just like, yeah, there's like every time it breaks like that's submersible. Yeah. It's like, wow. And then the second one was two days later. It went further than they thought. And there was a camera where the bus was supposed to go right into the camera. But the bus went further and destroyed the camera. So they used the side shot. But that fucking crazy Dutch

John had this like awesome bus coming at the camera. Camera's gone. Incredible, cinnamon.

“I think that became the most famous part of this movie though. The most discussed. I agree.”

So it's just such a great in the theater or rewatching moment. If you forget it a little bit where you're like, like, they're like, there's a gap in the road ahead and you're like, what the fuck? Really? Yeah. How are we going to get out of this one? The shoppers. The shoppers? The highway. Yeah. The chopper shot of you see the gap. Yeah. Same thing from when they do the turn when they're getting the highway ramp. And it's like, we're not going to make it and he's like,

everybody good on the this side of the bus. It's like fucking smart. It's great. We're not going to make

it. He's like, shit. We're not going to make it. I will say if there was a gap in the road in Los Angeles,

everyone would know about it because that highway would be shut down for a period of time. Right. So you would that would be common in all of your months. They're leaking one 0 5 1 10 inner change of the space. This is like they're like getting a 1 0 5. Okay. Jack on the pulley thing going under the bus when Joe Moran says, don't get dead. Yeah. Does the gas crew move and

“I just think he does. Okay. There's some movie magic with this one too. I think Jack under the”

bus is just going to it's just going to not work. When that bus is like bouncing. Yeah. I don't think he makes it but it's fine because I believe it's in the under the truck. I would like to also know like how close they were we were to losing key out of Reeves during this shooting of this this scene who insisted I'm doing all of us. Yeah. I don't really understand how they're shooting it if it's not incredibly dangerous. It seems like he's going fast. Yeah. Good Joe Moran. How many

lives you got man? Yeah. Harry blowing up. I love the way that scene is shot that we're just to get them surrounding the house. Yeah. Why do you think though? I don't know. This is not an miserable question or not. But why does Hopper's character put a bomb that has like a light and a timer like obviously it's for the audience. But if you had a bomb in the house, wouldn't you just like press the button? You don't need to like indicate to the motion sensor. Yeah. Oh, is it motion sensor?

Yeah. Triggered. Yeah. Oh. Oh. I got it. Bus escape getting all the passengers off but it's just them just jack and Annie and then he figures out. We'll open that little hatch and we'll just zoom out for the bottom of the bus. Again, this is 100 on odds. You're pulling this one up. I don't know how long on the run time would be but if they had just ended the movie with them kissing as the yeah, we're probably fine. Are we better off as a country? It's a great 88 minutes. It's one 32 or

“so they're about to come on. That would have been just good stuff. I know you have to go get Howard.”

When you guys stand on the giant plane blowing up in the scene, that's fucking it. It was like we're people in the plane. Do you remember when we talked about anyone? I don't think anyone the implication is that it's a freight plane being refueled. Yeah. It's being certain. And the guy who is the refueling truck driver does run away. It did remind me a lot of you remember when we did die hard too. And we're like, holy shit, they blew up that plane and die hard too. Like,

you could never do that anymore. Yeah, we ever again. 300 people in the kitchen. We're like in three

years later, they just did it again in this movie. Relationships that start under 10 circumstances never last. Yeah, great quote. Dennis Hopper dies. Yeah, but I'm taller. There's some thoughts about that. Just quick sidebar. My favorite TV or movie to cappotations ever. Here are my top four. Game of Thrones. Corretitarian. Black rain and speed. Get it for best one. I'm going to go criteria orgasm here and say Kurosawa's run. Incredible. The competition. Yeah. Bloodsburg. Fucking waterfall blood. Yeah.

And the subway crash ending. Just true love from Keanu. He's like, you know what? If we're going down, we're going to together. If I can get out of this and we don't die, I'm definitely having sex with her tonight. I got to roll the dice. I've been putting in four play for eight hours, seven hours, whatever. This is the, I just got to do it. I got to find out how this says sort of as you want nao thing, but when do you think any lights up after this movie? Like what, what point is she like

God damn it? I need a new pair. By the way, why wasn't she lighting up when they, when they end up in downtown LA and she's like, I'm going to take a little walk. Why wasn't that a smoke break? Yeah,

you know, like that would've been a way to get rid of Connor Roy. It's spending a lot of time

and cigarettes, you're guys. Uh, it's better. Maybe we've been more attracted. What was the most

“rechargeable scene? Controversially, I think it's, it's the elevator scene for me this time around.”

I rewatched like the mechanics of it and how they shot that. It's a deep cut. Yeah, it's, I think that's like you being like Nirvana. Yeah, smells like teen spirit wasn't the best song and it's actually this one. It's just this time around. It was so fun to watch that and think about how they did it. Sean? Uh, I think in the theater, the most euphoric moment was the bus jump and Joe Morton, you know, doing the fist pump. But rewatching the movie, I don't know. I, I really like

them getting Sam off the bus and then Beth Graham getting blown up. I have Keanu getting on the bus initially. Yeah. And that whole chasing. And I underrated when Grumpermer drives into the water

things, I've always kind of secretly wanted to do that. It one of the water jugs. Yeah,

the water fly up. Like if you're ever going to crash, you're very fragile. Bill Simmons fame sports writer and podcast who tragically died last night after driving a car in the wreck, we can do a lot of fun. That should be the punishment for your fantasy. It's just driving those things according to best and drive 90 miles per hour. What do you have for most rewatchable? I think it's jack under the bus for me on the little sled. Yeah. This is, it means it's a good

movie when we have four separate rewatchable. No question. I would stick another break. I did check on chat GPT. The competition scenes, just to make sure I didn't miss anything. And I think I'm now in a government watch list. What'd you find? There were some other ones, but I thought I had the right faces of death. Yeah, I come back. The chat GPT

“recommend curse. I was wrong. No, okay. That's why you're here. Only you can do that. What's the”

most 1994 thing about this movie? I'll give you five choices. Let me know if I missed anything. Starting a movie with three minutes of credits and graphics. It feels happening in that. Yeah, it feels longer. We just start with movies now. You know, like this is like this decade we're off this movie now. We're just in the elevator. And yet somehow every movie now is 30 minutes longer than it was back in this movie. Yeah. No cell phones, no social media, obviously.

Young Kianu and young Sandra Bullock. Like, can't be, we've spent 35 years of these people at this point. No homeless people under the highway under passes are in Pershing Square has to be mentioned. And then all this time we're spending on the LA freeways, but nobody makes an OJ joke. Is the most 90's in my opinion. Is it in my opinion? 4 OJ? Yeah, it's shot 93. Oh, okay. I just feel like if this movie is a year later, there's three OJ jokes. Like Connor Roy is saying,

think I just saw the way Bronco or Helen Rock came. He said maybe I should maybe we should have gotten out cowlings to drive the bus. Like we just would have been very self-referential. Yeah, and they're just not. What did you have in this one? The nickname for the 1993 Arizona Wildcats defense was Desert Swarm featuring Teddy Brousky. You know, I researched this because it felt weird that he went with Arizona football and that Arizona basketball.

“They're really 10 and 2. 10 and 2 and 93. Pretty good. Yeah. But Ludo'sson was there by 93, right?”

And Arizona had made the final four. Yeah, 88. It's a Sean Elliott. Like it had been. It is the time when that is really starting to happen, right? The fourth thing is going, though. I have one more. Yeah, just not thinking about being surveilled at all. It's kind of, you could say that age the worst, but I like that the best where it doesn't even occur to Jack. That there might be a camera in the bus that is keeping an eye on him,

because it's a time when you don't, you know, you don't just like get a speeding ticket by from a camera on a flashlight, on a traffic light. Would you have for Floyd Gundallys, butter on my ass, like pops up my mouth for something you just have to. Okay. One is any time a high concept movie has a ticking clock convention. So like there are a lot of movies in the 90s. They're riffing on this. We already mentioned phone booth. Nick of time is like this.

Panic room is like this. Captain Phillips is kind of like this where you're like stuck in a place and there's a certain amount of time before something goes by. But the thing I really like that is really simple is the way that Keanu holds a handgun with two hands and like pivots and turns the way

that a police officer always does. And he has been using this move in the wig movies. And this is where

he learned to do it. It's not point break. It's in this movie when he goes down into the subway and he's looking for a hopper. Great shit. What do you have? For Gundallys? Yeah. The Hans Zimmer JV soundtrack of. Tentententententententententententententententent. It's like you could put that over playing a video game,

theme song. And in ten we do an action. My wife and I have been all week. We've just been like randomly

been like. Tententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententetententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententententent. You want to lightest this markman and see the score from speed.

“I think you can give a ton of the songs. I'll just ask Mark later. I'll just ask Mark later. Okay. Say what he's doing. I have to as well.”

Anytime we have to repeatedly cut to something like the speed limit here, we're it's like, oh, we're at 52. Oh, we're back up to 55. Uh oh, we're dropping down to 51 again. And it's just like the easiest to keep you locked in on the tension of the movie. You could just do it forever. But my number one is the the crew of super knowing people waiting to be saved that I'm supposed to be rooting for, but an hour in the movie. I'm like, fuck these people. Yeah. Like the lady who ends up dying, Connor Roy, the fucking criminal. Like half of these people. The one that figured this out the best is a movie.

We'll do at some point in the rewatchables. Probably when we're in the 700s, um, daylight was sliced alone. Where he's trapped in this tunnel. He, he breaks into the tunnel to save everybody. And they're so fucking annoying. They're like giving him shit. The moment he shows up and you just want everyone to die. And I like when they do this. Isn't Paul Gilfoyle in Air Force One like this right where he's like the secretary of state, but he's the most annoying guy of all time. Yeah. Who does a report and play? Is he is like a secretary or something and independent stay? Yes.

We keep trying to get him to nuke Atlanta. Yes. Yes. Yeah. What's the best we mentioned young Sandy and young Krueca, Kiana, the clony cano haircut. The buzz. The buzz clony did it for ER where he kind of pushed it for, but that had a moment. I tried it out.

I mentioned the score. Incredible gumshoeing Kiana performance of this movie. Gumshoeing is like a character to kind of figure out what's going on with him.

Bullock learned to drive the bus past get another thing. Didn't actually have a cigarette puff, but did drive the bus. From one of those days to be like, man, it's so fun to be an actor. I just get to like go practice driving a job bus. I read that she passed on her first try. Yeah. Hoppers quote poor people are crazy. Jack, um, a centric. Yeah. Yeah. That's coming up later for me. Yes.

“Jack's Ford Bronco in 1970. How about a former cop with a grudge? Is that ever not worked in a movie?”

I mean, specifically a former bomb squad cop who's got, yeah, got his hand taken off for one across the ditch. Former blank with a grudge. That worked for podcasters. It's a former failed podcaster with a grudge. It treats you are nicely. You don't want to find out. Careful with a six. It doesn't. I tried to treat him beat on. See our spirits about the watch 20 years later. Oh, like that was this watch.

This is my favorite. I think the criminal who shoots Sam and his hand cuff to the bus, but then they on hand cuff him by the end. He's just part of the team. Yeah, sorry. I mean, are there charges like he shot somebody? Yeah. Is the police waiting for him? We'll put away everything. What happened? Also like what did he do? Yeah.

Standard get off just as using that as a wood sage's best going forward with pop. Pop quiz hot shot. Yeah. Like this. Yeah. Those two things moved into the lexcom for a while. Pop quiz hot shot had a 20 year run. It was crazy. Yeah. Yeah. All the stuff about Reeves being performing his own stunts. Keanu. The box is a 90% jaguar to the bus jump.

I never know what's apocryphal and what's not with some of this stuff.

And it really did seem like he did most of this. How am I? I was going to ask this impossibly unanswerable questions. But how fast do you think the traffic was actually moving? So if the bus is going 50, like did you think it was actually going like 35 or 30? Like how fast do you think Keanu was going in that Jaguar? It looks like he's going 75. Yeah. It feels like at least 60.

I don't know how you could actually do that. That's speed. Yeah. The actual actor. I mean, he's the star of the movie. It had to be slower than that.

“Yeah. That's why I always wonder as the years pass. Like yeah. He did all his stunts. He could”

kind of just say anything. He's actually do all my research for the Reeves watch most of my self. You do. Yeah. Oh, I did. It shows. Thanks. Oh, no. It shows. Build us all his research. Do you think so Keanu, I think, is one of the only actors of all time to have a legitimately great action movie in four consecutive decades? Yeah. I think Eastwood is probably in the mix there. I couldn't really think of anybody else. Maybe Harrison Ford. Yeah. Harrison Ford.

It's like has Charlize Thuron has looked fucking smoking hot in the movie for four straight decades. Same thing. Because what Cruz doesn't have an 80s one? I mean, top gun. I'm talking. Yeah. Yeah. Cruz is the last one. Yeah. Cruz is the last one.

species. Yeah. I was just like I'm out on Cruz in 2020. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck him.

“I want Jesse Plyman's to come on for digger. How about that?”

Yeah. I think I believe a lot of the the Keanu stun stuff because the John Wick guys are like we have to drag him kicking and screaming to do it with stunts. Well, it's also like he's like I have one exact problems from all the fucking times I've fallen off of things. Yeah. I have two more really good ones, but what do you have for what's such the best? I already mentioned

the pre-CGI air of action filmmaking. Yeah. And it's just incredible.

The uh, there is a shot of um, when Jack and Harry go up on the roof of the skyscraper to attach the elevator to the crane. Yeah. And there's a shot of downtown Los Angeles and you're like they are on top of a fucking skyscraper like this is really happening. And it's that kind of verse and military to like that feeling of heightened reality that I think movies sometimes miss now. So that's kind of aged the best for me. Also, basically people invent a stress like

Jack and Annie now. Um, which is just like cool work pants, t-shirt probably costs like $500.

“And then her socks are back in actually. I think both really ankle socks. If I could pull off”

Jack's haircut, I would do it in a heartbeat. That's the most manageable haircut in the universe. It's like, do you ever make a decision? Do I cut your hair off? I think you like that wouldn't you know. No, I just think it would be cool. I want to see you go for like, I want you to go

blonde for like the nixies and or something crazy. I always wanted to have platinum. I like Jeremy

so-hand. Sean's second year at Grant Lane when he had like the weird beard. Yeah, that's fun. Everyone's in a while. I hope beard out. It's pretty cool. It's all white now though. For the what's aged the best on cranes. It's been an action movie thing before where they tie something to like a crane or something, but then the thing the bolt comes out. I love when it would have been. And it starts and it starts bending or that and it's always it always works.

The sound design when it bends is just like, oh, yeah. It's like also just like it's going to hold. It's got a hold, you know. All right. My two favorite what's aged the best. Alan Ruck being in this movie. Maybe that this whole new appreciation post succession of you're watching it just pretending

it's Connor Roy. Like it's a young Connor Roy taking the bus for some reason. And then break

of the phone out. Being like the conheads would really love this in a chair. Just doing Connor Roy. Yes, it's one. I mean, he was Cameron when we saw this movie. You know, that's it. He was, he was actually like, oh my god. Cameron, he's alive. But the what's aged the best for me. There's some I kind of can't align delivers in this movie. Reach out and take my hand. I'm not here for you. Let's not do this. And then when she hits the cart,

why he's he's Arnold Schwarzenegger. He just he stopped saying ours and this weird. I don't know what it is. And then Harry tell me some good news, man. Those are my four favorites. Is that a bad cano? I don't know. Now I can't on here it. You know, like now I'm going to go back and watch this video. Reach out and take my hand. So this is actually my weak link of the film is all of Keanu's punchlines in the movie where he's being given all of these Arnold lines.

Yeah, I feel like they probably even doubt him back. And he's like a book up book. But I'm taller. But what? You had to know. What is that like an inch maybe? You had to do that in the 90s. Or when he's like, didn't have anywhere to be just then. You know, like he's or he's like, he lost his head. You know, those are all commando lines. What was the elevator one where it's like the length and that could snap this thing. It's like the basement. Yeah. I like it.

“I had a what's aged the best. Yeah. I think that the premise in the bus would be exactly the same”

in 2026. Like I think it's just still the same situation would happen. I think they would have to use 30 miles an hour. Yeah. The traffic anywhere. The traffic insurance would have necessitated. It was just the bus. But like bomb under the bus. How do we stop it? If it can't go below 50 miles an hour. I'm like, I'm not sure modern technology could do. How about it? I think it's the same complicated. How are should you ever do? Blow 50 the bomb. The bus goes up or if anybody tries to get off the

bus goes up. But like making it the both things. I would almost if I was him be like, you know what for entertainment sake. If you can get people off this thing going 50 miles per hour. Yeah. Yeah. I like blow it up. Or it's like a let you one person in an hour. You can let off. Yeah. How do you decide? Yes. I think I wrote this fucking insane. So I'm not sure if that was really in play. What do you have for great check order? So I talked about the door scene, the car door.

But there is a shot when Jack comes out of the coffee shop puts his coffee on the hood of his car

have? Like like it's also it's not like shot of Jack explosion in the background. Cut sees it's the bus explodes in the background of a shot. And I also happen to love when the pay phone is ringing. All of the flames are reflected in the pay phone and it's like, man, Howard's on the phone.

But the bus exploding is incredible. There's two that I really like that are somewhat similar,

but they show you the scope of the production similar to what Chris is describing. One is just when it becomes clear that they have the police escort and it's just like it's a low helicopter shot and you just see the cop cars riding alongside the bus and it's like a moment of calm because like they've at least figured out, okay, we've blocked off the highways and this is going to be okay for a minute. And then the other one is just the bus going into the fucking jet and then it explodes.

“I believe it's going, what the fuck? That's crazy. How did they cost 30 million dollars?”

Yeah, I would have thought that would have cost 30 million dollars. How did they do the jet? Blow the jet. Must have been like a broken jet. I don't know. I had, I like when Jack and Annie are the only two left in the bus and everybody else gets off and they do that shot of the other bus with all the passengers. It's kind of going away and they're all in the window, kind of watching them. Yeah. Effective. That's good. But it's like, yeah, we don't know what's going to happen.

Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders, or Best Character Name, Sam the bus driver. I don't know. Officer Jack Trayman and Detective Harry Temple is, we can't do better in the 90s. Jack Tray, did Kiana seem like it's a perfect cop name. Does he seem like a Jack Trayman?

No, he does to me. What's his name in point, Brie? Johnny, Johnny Utah, yeah. He's always got the

very short names. John Wick, Johnny Utah, Jack Trayman. They're all riffs on John.

“Was there a better title for this movie? Was originally called Minimum Speed?”

Minimum Speed? Minimum Speed. I was thinking about this. What would you think if the movie was called Jack Trayman? And it was the first and the line of Jack Trayman movies? I think that they were hoping for that after the success of this movie. I'm Zach in the other way. I'm going to ask you guys the greatest title ever for an action movie. First blood, Terminator, diehard, cliffhanger, face-off, under seizure, speed.

I think diehard. That was just seven times in our anger. Diehard's the best, all right. Diehard lethal weapon. Yeah. Those are both good. The Terminator is a great title, though. It is. How about to live in that LA? Yeah, it's pretty good. Good one. But those are just great ones. I think speeds are great title. What if it was 50 miles per hour or 50 MPH? Or 50? Sure. You can't drive parentheses lower than 50. That's pretty good. What do you have

for Flex? It's a book about metals award for the belatedly best quarter exchange for your fucking crazy. No poor people of crazy Jack. I'm eccentric. Real hopper. Yeah. Also kind of kind of funny that this bomb squad guy is like class consciousness. So yeah, I like that. Speaking of hopper, Hans Gruber's skill, Bill and Ranking. Three high.

“Way up there for me. Eight and a half. Yeah, frequency 10. I think just for the fact that how”

it is not physically imposing, maybe like a point or two down, but it doesn't feel like the right number. What do we have for the Sean Fennessee award for Criteria orgasm? Name on the truck used by the terrorists in diehard and diehard with vengeance is Pacific career and the plane destroyed by the exploding bus in speed has the logo Pacific career freight. On its side, this is an in-joke by production designer Jackson Degovia. That's very funny.

Which is girlfriend award, weak link of the film. It's the bus jump, but I don't this movie has no weak link. I don't really think that's a weak link in the film. Well, it's just, I wish it was going up when they jump. It's just the physics of it every time you watch it like all right. So I love the bus. In the original screenplay, I think, at least I didn't read it, but the accounts of it are is that Harry is the villain. The Jeff Daniel's character in the answer. And at the end of the movie,

I think you can kind of feel like now we have, because like the movie should kind of conclude with them getting off the bus and then they're like, shit, we have to go get Howard and they can't just do Jack and Howard. So they bring Annie downtown, which is like a huge fucking like, what are you talking? Why would you do that? So I just think that the, the, the, the weak link is the need for an additional 25 minutes to like settle this movie because it was maybe written with a different villain in mind.

Yeah, so yeah, I think the first 90 minutes are like perfect. The last 20 are good. Maybe not like

amazing. I felt like Howard's whole speech about like bombs need to go off. This is what bombs do. I was like,

oh, this feels forced a little bit. Yeah, I have some picking myths around that sequence as well.

County's punchlines. Okay. But I'm taller. Okay. Give me your hand. What's age of worst?

Dennis Hopper running. True. That is bad as Nicholson running in the departed, which I watched recently. I forgot how fucking funny it was. When does he run? He runs at the end when they, when they have this sweat thing and right Nicholson's like has no vertebrae. Um, I have a couple more road you have for this. Dennis Hopper watching college football in a weekday. Yeah, in the morning. So I come on. Just ask the

sports are could have just cleaned that up for you. I then am picking it. Like is he watching highlights because he goes like, yeah, he's watching me. He's like, yeah, he's gambling. Yeah. So he's

he's gambling on tape delayed. Oh, go, go. When do we think this movie happens? It was shot

“in late summer to December, right? Oh, what time of year? I think it happens in the fall in early”

fall. So it's got to be a killer. We've got the Baja on when he's, but it's, it's not on the weekend because they're going to work. Yeah. So it would have to be a Friday college football game that starts at noon. PST. Not. Sports are could have helped out. In 93 was there a college football game happening at three. Of course I would have. Is he watching Mac again? We should have been watching premiere like, you know, Howard's Howard is a fruit cake. You know, he's just a nut bar. So who knows

what's going on? I texted you to go this. I have a counter. It seemed like a pretty good hang. Howard? Yeah. Like gambling. Yeah. What had had had had a early TV set up. Like an ice cold coke and a sextal and a yes. Yeah. Yeah. There's the whole sort of thing. Just another that one scene word piece. I think it's so that you also like see his busted hand in action. Yeah. Also like, you know, he got named by his duties and didn't feel properly appreciated.

This is on an unanswerable. But is he a deaf in one year? Why does he keep holding the phone on the opposite side of his head? I know he's got his hand blown off on the other side. Why is every time he holds the phone he's got a CDB more into blowing up buses than he is being consistent

“with how injuries affect people over a long period of time. I think Harry's leg limp changes”

a couple of times. And then disappears when by the time they do the SWAT team of the house. He's like vaulting over a window. A lot of continuity errors in this movie. The stereotypical bus crew. Chinega Rafflow has a really great half hour that she did in the mid 90s. Remember this? Which is on HBO. And she does a whole thing about speed. About how when they get on it's the most stereotypical. And she's like, why didn't they just have an

eskimo and an Indian with a head dress? But it's like they check every box that was on the bus in the charactery kind of way. Is that the same special where she's talking about how much she loves NYPD blue and she's like the cops. They have their badges on the chain and she's like, "Ah fuck, that's so hot!" She's a great special. It's really good. I highly recommend it. Speed 2, which is a Patrick. Yeah, I had that. Making his way to do the work. It is one of the

“most reviled sequels of all time and I think it really hurt Jason Patrick's career. Oh yeah, for sure.”

And Sandy was on scale. I also hate the breakup story where it's like, "Oh, I broke up with Jack because he wouldn't leave the bombs going on." Like, Jack being in the bombs squad is why you're fucking here, baby. Like, what are you talking about? Baby, Jackson. You know what you're getting into, baby? Exactly. When you signed up with me, baby, you were going to have to share me with the

farmers. I live my life like Speed 2, never have. Yeah. I don't watch it. That's the phone.

I remember it's like a really, really iconocally bad. Jamie B. Directed. Yeah, okay. He had to. My last one from Wikipedia. The character of Annie was originally written as an African-American paramedic to justify her ability to drive the bus. The fuck does that mean? Keep going. Well, because she knows how to drive a large vehicle. But what is, what is per being black or white matter? Yeah, but why? To the second part of this. You woke down. It was going to be Halle Berry. Yes.

I just don't understand. Like, why is it spread that way? I don't see color. I thought it was weird. It was good. It was like, favorite subgenre is black. I white guy hanging out would be like, I don't know why. Why does he have to be a black lady? Well, it leads to them trying to get Halle Berry. She wouldn't be good to them. She wouldn't have been fucking good. She wouldn't have been going to be very busy with this. Yeah, so this is 1934 Halle Berry. Yeah, it's like two years at the

end, right? Uh, roughly in a ribbon and cartridge, over acting word, the crazy lady. Yeah, Helen. Yeah. What do you have for Flex? It was the same as Chris's, but he used it a different way. The Jesse

award for best line reading, which is comes right before when Howard paints says, do you know what a

“bomb is that doesn't explode? It's a cheap gold watch, buddy. Good line. Eisenberg. Yeah. He's not a”

heater. Did the smudge? She saw a preview with the trailer, where he's got the Julien more. He's right you. He wrote and directed it. Yeah. But he also wrote the lyrics. I'm a little nervous. No, the person who's coming for Indy Navarretty's Oscars, Julien more. The sheet, she has one though.

She does, first still Alice sears, favorite movie. Um, Delos is good. Yeah, that and I like the

father with Hopkins. My two favorites. We like when I play Alzheimer's. Yeah, okay. Interesting. We should do Alzheimer's moment. Yeah, let me know. Let me know. I may go to fucking what didn't. Still Alice rewatchables would go crazy. Yes. That's really. Still Alice, drugstore cowboy. No, my own private guy. People still still, still talking about fucked up family February. That was a great month. I love that. Yeah. I listen when I was in Hawaii. I listen to the first half hour of our

creamer versus creamer podcast. Might have been the peak of the podcast. I don't think I can do better. I don't think I can do that. Was that now who was on that? Yeah. Yeah. No, this, yeah, me, Mao and Sean just talking about divorce in profound ways. You just learn a lot about all of us. Yeah. Good one. Yeah. Like that. Um, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to stake a word. I have a doozy. So I'll go last. Okay. I wonder if a lot of really

volatile moments between citizens and cops could be diffused if more cops would just say, I don't know you, man. I don't care about your crime. Whatever you did, I'm sure that you're sorry. So it's cool now. Yeah. Let's just see what happens. Keanu doing so it's cool now. It doesn't really keep road his own minds. I'm putting down my gun to my bed. Yeah. We're just too cool guys. What do you have, Sean? This is the last truly great

American action movie. And we moved in to CGI. It's no sci-fi, no superheroes, no fantasy elements, no secret societies, no mythology, pure action. You could make the case for mission and possible movies. You could make the case for the rock. I might make the case for the rock, which I love. You could make the case for ambulance, you know, which is kind of a similar movie, the Michael Bay movie. You think way cats too much mythology, even the first one? I do. I just thought that

high table and all that stuff is way too much of like. So I would offer you a little movie I've seen 10,000 times called Taken. As one of the only ones that has kept the legacy, didn't really need to make sure it says too much. Taken moves nice at a nice pace, which is why it's been such a great rewatchable. I would listen to bad boys, takes mission and possible takes.

“I think those that makes sense, but this movie feels like it stands on its own. Okay.”

Well, I'm going true how to take old school definition. Okay. They're better after just letting the bus blow up. Well, I think that 18 lives, it causes

$7 billion worth of damage. I don't know. It's a calculation. This is, this is shoot the hostage.

Take them out of the equation. So that would be, they said it all jacked before he meets the wildcat. It's maybe thinking, I'm like it. I'm like, you know, what do I care? Or like, maybe we have to take it. Maybe protect and serve. Yeah. He has to protect and serve. But he's got to protect and serve all of Los Angeles, not just a bunch. How many billions of dollars of damage from this three hours with the bus? I don't want you in the fucking bomb squad if that's your attitude. Yeah, but I have

this as the private credible nerve. I don't get rattled. Uh-huh. I don't get many people are saying

“when are you in high octaves? I think the bomb squad. I wouldn't know anything technical,”

but I think I keep everybody on level. I keep everybody happy. We should do a narrative podcast series about Chris training to be on the bombs. Well, the ends with him dying trying to fuse the bomb. I think you'd be good as the guy asking, what do you see under there? Yeah. Do you mean is there a green wire? Yeah. Can you take that out without cutting the wire? I would get it. Thank you. Appreciate it. Who are you in this scenario, Joe Morton? Yeah. I'm like, oh, you got that long!

Casting what ifs are incredible for this movie, including speed being underdeveloped in a paramount

pictures with Jeff Speakman? Yeah. He attached his Jack. I can't name a single, do you know, Jeff Speakman is action star? He's like a martial arts action star. He was like the three guys who budget Steven's like all, but like ninety nine cents. Yeah, three people who are up for Jack tells you a lot about what their expectations for this movie was. Steven Baldwin was one of them. Yeah, and Richard Greco, right? Steven Baldwin was having a semi-moment like he's in usual suspects.

He said he turned it down coming off 21 Jump Street. Yeah, basically. My favorite is when they have these stories when you research him and it's like, it's the biggest regret or my career. It's like,

“I have a fucking hope so Richard Greco. Really? Really? You're so great. Not being in this one?”

That's not doing summer stage. Yeah. And they said there's this urban legend thing about how they wrote the female role as like comic relief and it was going to be on the generous and then everybody's like, that's not true, but it's funny. The highly barrier thing is true. She said, she's stupidly said no, but when I read it, the bust and leave the parking lot. And then there's like a million people who are led to the up for Annie. I don't know what to believe.

I think they wrote, and like in the movie and the original script, I think the bus is just like driving around Dodger Stadium or something like that. Yeah, yeah. And it's going to crash in the Hollywood sign. Um, Craig T. Nelson offered the Joe Morton role, but it was filming coach couldn't get out.

Too bad. You like coach never like coach. Do you not like coach? You just didn't watch it.

I just thought it was bad. I kind of liked it. Yeah. I watched it. Jack's side kick care was going to be played by Ed Harris when he was going to be evil and then they pivoted away. That would have been good. And then he gets to do that in the rock. McTiernan said no. Yep. Randy Harlan said no, our guy Tarantino said no, because he was finishing Pulp fiction. So what has regrets? McTiernan does, is it DH with a V and then last action here

“or vice versa? It's a, I think it's in here, then DH. Yeah, because I think like DH with the V is”

almost like the make up a little bit for last action here, because it didn't perform as well, right? I'm the world's number one last action hero fan. However, I do think if you put McTiernan in the chair on this, it goes from like a 10 out of 10 to a 10 point five out of 10. Uh, what kind of cat aside from his legal issues? Like it was medicine man, right? That kind of capped his career. No, like 13th warrior and he made a basic. He made a bunch of movies that didn't work in a row.

Michael Bay wanted to direct banged on the door and they he had never directed anything and they were like,

no, thanks Michael Bay. I mean, it's probably best that he didn't because I don't know that we would still have Los Angeles. Like he probably would have blown up the 10. And bad boys is one year later. Yeah. Joey Pants Award for best that guy. It's Joe Martin is not eligible. No, I think so. He's Glenn Plummer available. Sure. I think so. He's coming off of menaces to society and it's right before show girl. So he has like a hot run there. Yeah. Um, my pick was Hawthorne James,

who plays Sam because he is also the security guard in seven who turns the music up in the library when Morgan Freeman is researching Dante. That's right. That's a good one. That's a great call. I had a David Creegel who's the guy on the bus with the like slightly longer hair. Who's like, that's your plan. He was in a life. Oh, wow. He's one of the rugby players in a

life. I have the guy from Blood in Blood out who's just amazing in this movie. The guy who's like

Jack's helper, the Jagantwer. Yeah. Yeah. That's my home run. Like you easily could have spun him off into a second movie. And fish Lord too. I guess. And fish Lord of course. Yeah. Love them.

“Damn, waiters award. I think he's eligible for that as well. Glenn Plummer.”

Rock. Rock. Who I think's pretty annoying. Yeah. And then I have Martin. Yeah. I think Martin's the answer. I do want to shout out Sam the bus driver. Pre-shooting. Yeah. Don't you start with being any. Stay in a couple of inches to the bus driver labs. Yeah. I'll kick you off this bus right now. He's good. Recast and couch director City. I wouldn't touch it. Of course not. I could you pull this movie off in New York City. I don't think that I would

have to go up and down the FDR. Yeah. Or what's that highway? Yeah. Yeah. I wanted to do a whole Boston thing, but we just don't have the highway as a Boston store drive. Yeah, it just wouldn't work. Yeah. I'm just trying to think of the action set piece of trying to get across, you know, the east side to the west side, 34th street and a bus bombing down in New York City. Yeah. I mean, in some ways, McTiernan kind of plays with that a little bit with side hard.

Diarrhea with vengeance, but yeah. Flex. Can you do two quick ones? Yeah. Do as many as you want. I want to bring back the whole. We used to have an old category called like five word description of the movie. Yeah. I think you can go down to three. I think it can be bus can't stop. And there's just a million questions that come from that. Yeah. Why can't the bus stop? Who's in the bus? Who plan that? Like you could get an elevator with one like an executive in 1993 and

you're like bus can't stop. I think Diarrhea on a bus was the pitch. And they were like, we're here's third. You could also say bomb on bus. Same thing. Bomb on bus. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm also going to give Keanu Reeves the Tom Cruise Award for the most valiant attempt to emulate a normal human when he goes University of Arizona. Good football team. Arizona Wildcats.

He was doing a while. He was doing a wild cast. He's like, sure, like, well, it's okay. I used to sing in a barber shop quarantine. It's cookie on the way. Half veteran research. This was inspired by runaway train, runaway train, die hard and silver streak. This ending is very similar to silver. Yeah. The train derailing. So, silver streak was a huge deal. And just this kind of died. I don't know if it's just not on.

Is that you while they're richer prior? In Jill Clayberg. Oh, yeah. When I was a kid, Jean Wilde and Richard Prior were like the peak of comedy duose. They made four movies. Yeah. Josh, we, do we mention, oh, here's a good one. See our Jack is transported in good, huge ambience. The same ambience service used in heat. That day blow up. See that shit coming out of their ear, slick. They can't fucking hear the prosthetic dummy head of Hopper was too realistic

when he got ahead it and they had to use a different angle from it because it was too sharp. It's

“really funny. You should mention that there have been a couple of beheadings on how's the dragon”

this season. And I feel like it's pretty obvious that they're using very fake looking decapitated heads because I bet if you really let a makeup guy cook, he's like, I can get you a pretty good looking head. I just saw from dust till dawn at the Academy Museum and there's a bunch of decapitated

heads and that movie and they all look amazing because it's the best makeup crew of all time on that movie.

I think they're taking a little bit off their fastball now. We peaked to a Charlie probably, read a Terry. So good. Just an incredibly bad performance by the brother brings Charlie to the party. Does it make sure who food allergies aren't? I'll re-hered a Terry tomorrow. It's still the best podcast I've ever been a part of. It's incredible. This is great. It's where your leg's voice came from. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Here's good research.

Keanu Reeves is a change of bulk to both secret crushes on each other during filming. How about they did? But they didn't have been until decades later on separate appearances

of the Ellen DeGeneres show. I don't believe that for a second. They later appeared in the lake house

together. Yeah. See that one? I'm going to say they climbed in the ring and went a couple rounds.

“Climbed in the ring. Yeah, I think they released them up. Because remember today you should say”

if you want to climb in the ring, they had a history. They had a history. They had a history because River Phoenix was doing the music movement. I think I can definitely visit River Phoenix on the set at some point. So it was probably in the radar. Did he definitely do that? Or are you just making that up? This is that friend. Yeah. Yeah. You see you're going to come visit me when I go to New York next week. Just to say hi. I'd love to. But I'm going to get a lake.

Wow. Must be nice. Yeah. Like the lake house. Yeah. Like the lake house. Yeah. Like the Frado Lake? Yeah. Who do you think was she? If you had to hire somebody to take CR out on a canoe, on a little lake,

who to be to run? He'd never, oh, correct. Yeah. I was going to say to one of them.

Hey buddy. I like to run those. Take them out. Oh, the bundle would be a great one. So what would that meant to be like, would I do? He knows Austin Gail immediately. It would be like,

“Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But my question wouldn't you do anymore?”

My crime be like going on part my take without asking you. And then like I'm a vacation. Now, it might be the crime would be just CR. The year of CR has gotten too big. I think we're just right. We're going to shoot him in the background to fill the eagle start out 11 and out like I just, this is too much. It'd be great for the ringer's business. Yeah. It's assassinating. I think the controversy would do wonders. Yeah. You know, we definitely

be on the Kyron on ESPN. Sure. Was Chris Ryan assassinated by Bill Simmons? Steve today is like, that was my brother. I know this is a business and Bill Simmons had to make some tough decisions. But as a fellow Philid, don't be a legend. Do you think you would be acknowledged by any figures in the Philadelphia Sports World? Do you think like like would Jalen Brown honor you with something on his jersey? I think the six are where black arm bands. You've for an entire season.

If I if I got fucking killed by Craig Orleback. I think VJH go who goes CR every time we fucking unlock. I was just thinking that next couple of weeks. How bad we were to be with people who were going to see her.

Was that me going back and forth? Look at this guy. What this guy is going to see are

had to go down. Sierra hated this guy. Oh my god. Not going to name any aims. People who are going to take it out of the ring. Let's take another break. I'm going to try and encourage the racist and now they tell us. Chris out of fucking crippling, steroid ditch. All right. Let's take a break.

Eight packs mountain. What you guys don't know is Chris Ryan used to bet on cockfighting.

“How come Edwin Diaz didn't go down for that? Did you notice that?”

You know Edwin Diaz said he was part of a cockfighting. Fuckin Mark Walters is a umbrella of protection. That's real. That's real. The Spiracy Bill's been falling down. Very intensely. Can Spiracy Chris is all over it. The fucking like my insurance company is loaning me billions of dollars. Come on. Billy Spender doesn't want to see the Dodgers in the playoffs right there.

Well, don't worry. This is our last year before we run a baseball. Like enjoy it. Well, it's our last play. I expect a nine meds to have been traded during the recording of this podcast. Apex Mountain, not for Canon, Bullock. I think it is apex Mountain for diehard rip off. See, but no, it's demeaning to call this movie diehard rip off. It kind of is.

“I agree with you. Yeah. L.A. Freeways. I think it's O.J.”

Cops with a grudge. Maybe this one. L.A. Freeways. The chase in this one is up there with Span. It's a good point. Cops with a grudge. I think there are other cops with a grudge. So we could think of name one. Big boy. I mean, does Pope I Doyle have a grudge in French connection by his own really? I mean, my dad. I mean, he has a good answer. L.A. buses. Yes. Okay. How about 1994, L.A. just in general.

Fucking crazy year to be here. Yeah. It is kind of weird that they made a movie where you're rooting for the L.A. P.D. like two years after the riots, though. A little bit. But the bomb squad, I think, is like a circumvention of that. Yeah. It's trying to think of other stuff that was going on in L.A. This year in '94. I think the real world, I think it was here. In fact, either in '93 or '94. Nanotuno and Melrose Place kicking L.A. laws happening. All the movies were still being shot here.

And then you had speed using all the parts of it and the O.J. thing which taught people like where Brentwood was. People like us that had no idea where anything was in L.A. I don't know. I just felt like like it was in the mix in a completely different way. Was this kind of in a relevant time for the

“leakers? It was. It was post magic. Yeah. Yeah. Remember that? Dennis Hopper, no, obviously.”

Jeff Daniels, I think '94, was Apex Mountain. Yeah, here in Dumb and Dummer. Yeah, he's going to set up like the next 10 years. Did you? We had an Oscar for anything? I mean, what an Emmy for newsroom. Newsroom, yeah. I think you could make the case newsroom as his Apex Mountain. Even if that show wasn't good, he was the star of a massive HBO show. It was created by Aaron Sorkon. Ten-minute monologues every episode. Movie characters named Annie. Because you could also go Annie from misery. I think Annie Hall is probably

number one. Or you can go Annie. Annie is sure. I don't know what the answer is for more.

Annie, get your gun. Yeah. Yeah. Easiest cruiser hanks of all time. Cruiser. Yeah. In fact, I wonder if Cruiser's like I could have done that shit. Jeff, do you think he would watch the cruiser's furious when he saw this? This is interview with the vampire year. Yeah, he is furious. So when he sees Keyon in the haircut, back surfing on that little piece of plywood, I wonder if this pushed him to make

mission impossible. Definitely it was like I can't believe I didn't get a call. He's like I need my di Heart. Yeah. I've been messing around with this new category for because we have cruiser hanks, but actresses depending on what the movie is. 1974 Goldie Han, 1984 Sharon Stone, 1994 Cameron Diaz,

or Sandra Bullock, 2005 Scarlett Johansson, in 2021 Sydney, Swenie. Can I get 26 never ready for this?

Or 26 never ready? Is Annie? What's the idea? I don't know. What is the character? Who could have beaten Bullock? Like who would be better? I don't know. I think Bullock wins. I think she'd be sending one at any point in this straight. These are all great actresses in their whole hot, but like what do Goldie Han and Sharon Stone have to do with each other? I think it's sort of been a great Goldie Han role. I agree with that. Yes, mid-70s Goldie Han,

like I'm just a fun hang. I'm a little more talented at stuff than you're giving me credit for

shampoo. Right. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't change anything about Sandra Bullock. Be it.

The 80 Falco and Copeland Award for the character they got three times hotter by smoking will never

no see her. She never lit up that dart. She puts it out. She's just doesn't she never have ever see her take a dream. Never have her at the station. Yeah. Not realizing the bus to go up. Nobody did this for Flex the rich. Because it was in the regular categories this time.

“I had a. Oh, did I put it in there? Yeah. You did. The Rick. What is his name Cassetti?”

Rick Chachetti, or did we say I don't this is your category? Is it? He's a listener category. Okay, Rick Chachetti guard me to ward for the most memorable death by a security guard or other by Sandra whom the movie treats as in consequential. But who probably has a spouse and kids who love them at home. It's obviously the elevator security guard in the first scene of the movie. I think there's three people get fucking ice picked in the ear. The knife in the ear. The elevator scene. Poor elevator guy. Hey,

do you have a pass? Yeah. But work order the bus driver on the first bus. That guy's just going to

wear it. Yeah. And then. Yeah, that guy is the that same actor is the guy. I think he's the other the detective from Ace Ventura, the police detective who's a bus driver. But the winner is the the guy in the subway train, the subway conductor. Yeah. Hopper shoots him like 13 times at the back. This is in laughs. This is an unanswerable. What's hopper doing with that like chrome plated AK47? Those guys this we are still in a full like post commando like everybody seems to have a new Z.

Our own. Yeah. Picking it's can't answer in the headphone mentioned. Why didn't he shoot the tires before it got to 50 to shoot the bus tires? Great. What's in it out? Great. That's the best one. Being able to stay over 50 on the highway in Los Angeles for more than 10 seconds. Yep. I'd define it when to try this. Maybe for a bit stay above 50 while doing a hair pin turn impossible. No way. College football on before 9 a.m. PT during a work week. He on who's stabbing the gas tank

and then has to hold on with the screw drivers. We go 55 miles an hour. Also, stinks of gas for the rest of the movie. Not mentioned again. And then the gas tank just leaks out. But last 20 minutes. Isn't that thing that gas tank's done in 90 seconds? Harry gets shot in the leg and has a cane, but then he's fine. He's vaulting windows. In LA cop in the early 1990s, putting his gun and badge down with a suspect who's pointing a gun. That wasn't a great run for the LA cops here

“for 88 to 93. The explosion, the old lady blows out the front tires of the bus. I think in the bus”

crashes. Yes. It's an explosion, but nothing else happens to the bus just a little walkway. By the way, if he uses, if he blows out that thing again, can't they now get everyone else off the bus? She's already used the bomb. In 1994, you could just take a bus go through security in the airport and just drive around the runway. So could other people do this? But furthermore, why wasn't that like the first thing Joe Morton thought of? They're driving around out. Yeah, get to the

fucking airport. He's like, it's always good to the airport. Yeah, go to the airport. We'll shut down

LA extra drive rounds. I think they were very far from the airport at the beginning of the movie. Well, he's in Venice at the beginning of the movie, right? That's where the bus starts. Yes. That's where it gets to go down downtown. Oh, and then back. So I guess they are heading downtown. But like, so they go down, they go from Venice to downtown and then back to the airport. Yeah, they get on the 105 and go back and then go back downtown. No way, this would be able to do that.

I feel like the biggest thing in that part when they pull onto the airport is the tire blows immediately when he, when she drives into the airport. She's going over the reverse. Yeah, has the bus that going. The bus should just like tip over. It's a bus. You can't have a blown tire. And that's it. And it blows later in the movie. My answer for all these things that all times every time I watch a highway chase on a channel 5 channel 9 or channel 11,

let's go to the fucking airport. The copters can't fall you to the airport. And if I'm trying to escape the police, you get to the airport, you get in a parking garage and then you just take off.

“That's what I'm going to do. The choppers, the whole thing is just like freedom of speech,”

stuff like why can't police to helicopters be like, ground your helicopter. This is dangerous. We need, we need you out of the air. I don't know the rules. My biggest one is there's no way somebody is savvy is Harry is like, I'm going to go to a serial bomber's house, which is Walton. I'm going right in and I think that it's moving trapped. This guy is conducting all of this from Sun Valley is highly on Lake Lake. How do you feel about remote cameras working on a bus in 1994?

I've seen a lot of really nice stuff about this online. I mean, I'm willing to go with it. I like the tape loop trick that they plan on him though. That's that's pretty part of the movie.

but like shouldn't they've just paid him? He's asking for 3 million dollars.

“Were they just playing ours? Were they even planning on paying him?”

Well, what, what do they like? It's, it would be, what Jack pulls off is a 99 out of 100 impossible thing to do. He's asking for 3 million dollars. Just pay back. Well, because 3.7 billion dollars a damage at least right into it. And then airport to downtown, unless in 30 minutes, middle of the day. No way. The collateral route. I don't care what year we're in unless it's 1944. I'll be doing it tomorrow at 5.30 a.m. It'll take 35 minutes.

There was also, did you guys notice like at the end of the movie on the subway when, when Howard's holding the bomb trigger and he's like, he got to keep your hand on this and then he gives it to Annie. He's like, ah, you're too hysterical. Give it back to me. He's holding it. But then like 10 minutes later, he has two hands on a newsy. I totally agree. Where's it? Did he turn it off? No, he's, I look for this. He's holding it the whole time, but

it's a little unrealistic. Oh, he's fighting. Yeah, where's the bomb? He's always holding the

bomb trigger and the safety on me. Yeah. It takes it from him. So he's holding it. He's getting beheaded. He grabs it from it. He's too handing the easy into the roof. There's also a lot of like, uh, like door closed, but then there's an explosion. And when they'd like the doors open, like there's continuity, problems all over. Like Kiana breaks the, I mean, the biggest one by far is when he's fighting with Jack on top of the train. He doesn't have

any paint on him. He's opened up the bag and he gets the paint all over him. And then he's fighting him when he gets beheaded. He has no paint on him. Heming like, I got this. I'm going to go fist fight a 30 year old top with one hand. Yeah, that's my final play. And somehow, all of these. I'm not putting the gun. All of these then picks down past the bunch, so I'm past the bus jump. That's a bus, making a map far. None of them matter. And guess what? We've seen this one

be so many times. The more nitpicks you have, that just means you've seen the movie more. Yeah. We'll also just like the fact that it takes so long for Howard to get the news that the bus is blown up at the airport. Like the news would have been on that instantaneous. Even if there are no copters there, that would have been reported. There would have been a cop on the phone with the news in a second. How many months do you think we would be forwarding tweets and tributes

about the late CR to each other that enraged us that people died? I haven't been making a list in my mind of the 20 people who had sent disingenuous tweets trying to honor him as if they knew him. Like there's so many people who would be like Chris and I once shared a beer in an alleyway. It was the next room or genuine guy that Chris ran. He just did it for the passion. Would you? Who would trigger you? Would like JD Vance?

You didn't know him man. You know? It'd be a lot of stolen valor from me and Bill. Yeah. Me and Bill stand me Bill and Greenwald. We we've been on team CR.

“Deeply more profoundly than anybody and that's why we have to kill you. We gotta get in on this”

plot to get you killed. The bundos are guys. They'll never suspect it. Anthony, what are you

doing here on this late? I just want to talk to you. What are you talking about? SQL, prequel, prestige, TV, all black castor, untouchable. They did make a sequel. And it was bad. And can I suggest what they could have done? It would have been as bad too. Just for how about bombsquad? I just spin off. My idea was how we're paying prequel, bombsquad in Atlanta. Oh. I would just watch a Joe Morton movie.

Like Joe Morton with two new guys who have replaced Harry and Jack. He's like you got big shoes to fill. You know? I have an important question but I can't ask it to the two of you because you're answered BS. Craig? Craig I think is a better limous test but his answer is probably also going to be as they once the next big movie thing where they announced stuff. What do you be like on events? And I'm a connery. What's the next one where they are not until next April,

soon I'm a connie. We just had connie. Is there a convention in September? There's New York, Comicon in September. What's the film festival? There's a new one. There's tell your eyes. There's

“another tell your eyes. There's 23 or whatever the Disney thing. Is that happening this in August?”

Yeah. 23. Next film festival. They announced Speed 3 is happening. Kiana and Sandra Bullock have signed up. Is that in Median I'm going? Is it like a heat-tooth situation? Or do you have fear or are they asking strangers? What do we, that's all we know is. I'm out of the way. I'll go see it. Is JDB involved? We don't know anything other than Speed 3. I'm out of Kiana. But he has 83 years. Okay. And he hasn't made a film in over 20 years.

I, it's John Jr. I'm trying to think of who would I actually be fired up. Like if it was Chris McCquarie. Yeah. I would be down. What if Speed 3 was they actually end up with each other in their married? It's a domestic drama about their family. It's a little like the Lake House. But something happens and now they're in peril again. It's like, it's like Howard Payne's son.

Now they're in their village. They're on a road trip. Because the marriage is on the rocks. So they're going to a road trip to try and save things. He gets on the highway. It goes above 50 a little lake goes on. And then he gets a phone call. It's Howard Payne's junior. It's like you killed my dad. Now he's time for you. Now you and your wife can't slow your Tesla down to below 50. If the battery goes below. And if the battery goes below. Yeah.

They're driving. It's about an EV. If it's like father of the bride. Crossed with speed. Yeah. They're through in the L. Yeah. And it's, and it's they're throwing a wedding for

“their daughter. In the operation. Played. But then we're getting married. Come on. Why are we?”

We don't want to. We don't want to like Sandy. It's on a, it's on a fairy going from Boston to Martha's Vineyard. While we're, we have another crack at speed, too, because it should have worked while we're talking about this though. I was thinking about how the best person that killed Sierra would be Julia

Littman that he would never fucking see that coming. You think about this that too much. He would be so

excited to see the best person. Wesley is the best person. No. You never suspect Wesley. I mean, I would never suspect you. You would though. You would. It would make sense as you were down. Jeff Gangel's had on the ball. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is this movie better? The Wayne Jenkins, Furgy of the Flores, Zain Low, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, Ted The Veenor, someone else. You missed CR, debut John Birthoff from the Odyssey. Made a way out of gross. Yeah. For, for obsession.

Would you run a pack for me? Did I do it from obsession? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, no, I was told that. Well, let me tell you story about a man about freaking it. All right, I was good. In honor of opera, how about, uh, if Frank from Blue Velvet was in this movie. Oh, but just wait, if he was bartending when the bomb squad is having celebration drinks and he's like, Hi, dude. Fuck that. Pat's Blue Ribbon.

Frank, move this good. Frank with Kigol on the wall. Do you want us for some Barney in here? So, what part is Barney? Is Barney in the bus? What if Barney was Jack? You, it sounds like barney just one of the passengers. He's like, I need everybody to go to the right side of the bus.

“So, Barney's like, hello, Jack. You should do a movie character draft of people you'd want on the”

speed bus. Oh, my god. Yeah, I just want to ask her who gets it. Obviously, sound. What about Yandoban? Come on. That's direction. I was in love if you should

give it to them over Tarantino. Pop or never want a competitive Oscar. Only nominated once. Who

won best supporting actor this year? This was 94. Yeah. Oh, it's a tragedy. Mark Marshall's landing on Jackson. Yeah, it should have been Sam Jackson's Oscar. Terrible. As you can. Probably an answer for questions. Um, you mentioned earlier in the original script, Harry was the bad guy. This is a better movie if Harry is the bad guy. I don't think so. I like what they did. I think it's, I think it winds up being great. Wait us. I agree. You grew that. Best Yandoban or Yand hammer.

Who's your favorite Yandoban? If you could, if you could only feel about including

“son dropping one, Yandoban. What about getting a Jan in there too? You had Jan Michael Vincent?”

Yeah. I think it's a Yandoban. I think it's a Yandoban. Try to look at the best who was the more important Yand for you to see her. Mine is Yandoban. What about Yandoban, Yandoban is a little bit bigger and for me than hammer. Hammer, great contributions, but Yandoban directed speech, some good shot, diehard, and these are great points. Seems interesting, and flat liners. Yeah, he's probably important. Kind of shaped my nineties. All those are. I know.

Possibly an answer for questions. Yeah. What's the hierarchy of the bomb squad? So a lot of like calling audibles. A lot of guys just kind of doing their own, do a lot of information. Yeah, but you don't even mean where it's just like, I don't know. No, I'm sorry. It's like me as that. Yeah. But like Max and Charge, but like Harry and Jack are like, we're just going to do this. We're going to tie our crane to the elevator. Sometimes you got to improvise this one, any choices.

What's the CR wasn't just a great writer and a great podcast there. He wasn't even better person. Who the fuck is this guy? I don't know. I learned so much from CR. I loved when they just let him cook. I hope every month this CR about everyone knows that they're the really great CRs on music exists, but most people haven't heard it, but I heard it when it came out. Then I subscribe to the rewatchable's 1999, just the years he has. I got to live very

self a week and a week and a half later, thoughtful dancing runs a hit piece. Yeah, Bill Simmons never

I had one more. He was like, why did CR keep liking the Sophie cutting him tweets? I want the forensic analysis after your death of your socials. Yeah. Yeah, we definitely have aliens passwords. My only other answer was how far are the movie? Are we in before Jack Realizes he needs to get off the bus not to save the pastures, but because of how bad

“episodes any that. I think we're like 40 minutes in. I think it's like, you can tell when he moves”

past Harry so quickly because he's just like the thing is I'm getting late. Yes. We said mad Danny, uh, memorabilia, you'd most want from the movie. I'll check your stick. Gold watch. Gold watch. I was thinking about how every time I did Metz Corner on Zack show I would want to wear Jack's earpiece from the opening sequence. You're seeing that earpieces? Yeah, we're wearing the bomb squad. Those are awesome. One of the buses from the film auctioned off in 2018 for

$102,000. Whoa. Wow. Where do you put that thing? In a museum? Or like, in a big amount of studio a lot tour? Just outside your house. The weird thing at home. It's like I saw this thing online about Jerry Seinfeld has the world's best Porsche collection. He's got like 70 vintage porches and they're on this giant glass warehouse. That's cool. Yeah, for what? Once we just

take to ride over to the warehouse and it's like I'm going to drive the 63 today. It's weird. I never

understood that you're running by thousands of movie posters. He gets enjoyment from these. He gets to look at them every day. Jerry Seinfeld can't jump a loosey right there. Can't drive jump a loosey around. Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi word best worst life lesson. Luck runs out sooner or later. That's when we get you so far. Little cousin to Miami Vice. Yeah, time is luck. Twainthan. I thought maybe I'd get a call this week.

Like a surprise. Like a surprise. I put the three and a half minutes scene of them on the boat going to Cuba. Yeah. He goes and straps the seat belt on her and she's kind of like it's like a very sexual seat belt scene. Maybe the number in sexual seat belt scene. Gongley. Gongley is just that they just had a sexual seat belt belt race. Good title for movie. Best double feature choice here. I'm going to go die hard. I had die hard as well.

“I had die hard as well. Did you have transformers? Who won the movie?”

This is a really tough one. I think it's Kianu. I think it's Kianu as well. There's a case for a bullock. You're on bullock? I had bullock because I think Kianu was already a star

and I think bullock had had some bites at the elbow. I just love how they never have to

shoot around him. His running is good. His all his action shit is so believable and cool. You never have to cut around. He's not going to run across the street. Do you think is he your number on draft pick for just a cop in a movie like this? I think he actually he might do my favorite action star ever. He's on the short list. Who's he going against? Arnold. Sly. They're so different. The stars are so different. I really love Kruz.

Anytime Kruz has to go running somewhere, I'm interested. I want to know what's happening. How tall is Kianu? He's tall. I think he's like five ten six five eleven six feet. Yeah. What's he listed at six one? I think the thing with Kianu. You can feel his athleticism

“and his physicality. The only thing limiting Kruz is you can feel he's a little short.”

You can feel that when you watch him. So what quarterback is Kianu? Like Baker. Herbert. No, Herbert's huge. But relative to action stars. It's all about relative to action stars. Oh, sure. Like a six one. I think he's like a normal quarterback. Yeah. I think he's like Mahomesy where he can do different things depending on what situation is. Kianu. Yeah. Like Mahomes can have those playoff games when he just rushes. But it's weird because like if you put Kianu

in the wrong movie or the wrong part, like you can't really do anything with it. Whereas like Mahomesy. I feel like he could put Mahomes on the Panthers tomorrow and it would be incredible. You couldn't put him on the 25 chiefs. Let's say that. There you go. Six and 11. Hey, have some

Tom Brady. Never went six and 11. Okay. I feel like saying it's been a really interesting

watching this Celtic simulation ritual with you. Like do you been going in a lot of directions? You've been I feel like you're getting the mental spice. We're fine. Still waiting for the Paul George press conference. That coming to welcome the Boston Paul George. Right. Is that happening?

going on vacation. I listen to you and your dad. Guys were like circling back to the regular season. You were talking about you know 156 games. Is there any part of you that thinks that maybe like the regular season doesn't matter at all now in the NBA? And that was we that was of constant podcast subject the last couple years. But so why is like two different universes? But you've been you were hanging your hat on how much you value Jalen because of how well he did in the regular season.

I just like when guys show up for work. Like CR. That's right. Those are until you kill him. Yeah. It's good. It trades me to bundle. Yeah. Okay. I was just curious. I was listening. I was like I watched the next they were kind of uninspiring during the regular season. And then they won. It's the conundrum of the NBA now is you build one team for the regular season and another team for the ten weeks. Which is going to be the issue with with Philly with with with LeBron and

Ambead having to play. Yeah. I'm just asking if we can see it a little bit first before we start trading people. I have to medically do other teams. Okay. Yeah. If Jalen be wins a title has a sixer. Yeah. Is that significantly more meaningful than if he's traded for Anthony Davis or something. Yeah. Yeah. What were your speedtakes that you didn't say yet? Just like the platonic ideal of a movie. Like this is just all you want in a movie. I would pick Sandra's the winner. She's probably my number one

draft pick 90s actresses. Number one. I was kind of love a Sandra Bull. I think I'm in there too. Like at Julie Roberts, like higher ceiling, but more a little more in beta, actually. She does. She does a normal person really well. Julie Roberts is like an alien. Sandra Bull plays a normal person really well. And I do feel like this movie hinges on her ability to convey emotion. Well, like you feel the stress of the situation through her. Yeah. Because Kian is calm.

Everybody else is kind of in the background. And she is so good at like when she sheds the tier and like when she freaks out when the woman falls out. But if we really did the can scene, but she's so good when she thinks she's hit a baby character, like it clearly just a kind person. Yeah. Like if you gave her an nomination for this movie, I wouldn't

blink at it. I think she is so good. Like we're just her face feeling emotions and it is amazing.

I think it's a harder part. Because they could also just be a nothing part or just like a hot girl part. But she actually brings more of the taste. Also just like other great L.A.s. Like ending at the Chinese theater. You see the CVS ballerina clown in Venice at the beginning of the movie. Yeah. There's just great stuff like that. It's awesome. It really does

“use everything, but the beach. The beach is the only thing we know. It's too bad that they did”

and like the two of them sitting on the like the Venice boardwalk being like, wow, crazy day. When did she fucking lights up? You know what we're done to it? Move is like at the very end when they're like in the subway. And they're like, the track isn't finished. You know, like we just did that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's great for the track stuff. Finish. I don't love that. I would. Yeah. But it's great. You're pointed out the practical effects stuff. Like I feel like no one

now because of the Odyssey everyone's like talking about that stuff again rightfully so. But it's so good that you can't have CGI in this movie because they would have, they would be like awesome. We can make it even bigger. And the fact that, yeah, there's the little cars flying up in the air and stuff. Yeah. Like, you know, it would probably be like 50 feet near flying in something if you had CGI. The fact that it has to stay as grounded as it is because of what

“like the limitations of what you can physically film. The only thing we forgot to mention was the”

bomb on the bus paper flying off and then landing on the windshield. Another great gimmick. This

movie just had great ideas. Yes. Great ideas always win Sean. You know, you remind me of one

other take that I had. And I'm going to share with you as soon as I pull it up. It was related to this. And it was in a different category. It sounded about CR's death. No, I'm happy to keep going on that though. I really enjoy that Jack. Okay, hold on. I was a struggling writer in 2012. And I sent Grantland an application and CR sent me a really nice note saying keep it up, man. It'll be missed. We fucking love it when an original genre movie comes out of nowhere. This is

one thing I wanted to say. So what happened with this year with obsession is also what happened with speed, which is just like, what the hell is this? Who is Sandra Bullock? This happened with the sixth sense. It happened with alien. It happened with get out and come with the terminator, inception,

pulp fiction, when I'm an original movie. Weapons was an example of this. You're like, I've never

seen this before. Usually there's one or two people you've never seen before in the movie. And

“you're like, God damn, we can still do new things. Yeah. That's the best thing at the movies in”

my opinion. Yes, it was a good example of that too. What is this happening? This movie also makes

because the superhero stuff took over all that. Now that's kind of slowing down. Wicked and born

“and mission are all kind of slowing down. And it's like, there's no real big action movies that”

are really like, they've gotten so over leveraged on like the CGI stuff. Yes. There's never any

real feeling of stakes in these things anymore. There's no action stars being minted. There's no new die-harts, no new speeds. There's no big original action movies anymore. I thought you're streaming the streaming movie star thing was really interesting that you do with Amanda where you were talking about Alan Richardson. Alan Richardson in 1997 would have been an insanely big star. And he actually is a really big star, but only in one way. Yeah. Like only in on Reacher or in that the Netflix

movie war machine. The other thing we did mention, well, two things about the movie big picture

and then we'll wrap up, but one was moving it up to June then basically shifted the whole summer

movie schedule. We talked about before because these were supposed to come out in July and August. And then all of the sudden now they're coming out of May and they're trying to get the first jump and stuff with that. The other thing is like the Netflix and Amazon, all these people making versions of speed, but for a streaming movie. Like what was that jacabatman airplane movie with our Terran Eggerton? Yeah. Yeah, Terran. Terran, air traffic, or security guys. So these were

getting ripped off for, I don't know, 10, 12 years with like foam booth and the cell and not the cell. What was the phone call movie with Halle Berry? There's a movie she was like working the

“when a stranger. No, is it one missed call? I think it's the call. The call. The call. The call.”

Movies like that where it's like just this premise and we go and they it feels like they've

moved to streaming. Yeah. And they're just it's always like the DNA of this movie. I also think

this is a big cell phones smartphones kind of killed a lot of attention in these. It's like really hard to be like. So you like I could just Google who you are while this is happening. You know what I mean? You would just be like Howard Paine is this. Oh shit, you know. We got him. CR pleasure Zoes. I hope you keep kicking in for another 50 years. Yeah, I hope I make it through

“this lake now. Wait, isn't the line reading? That's our comeback. That's what we're going to say when”

CR goes down. Sean have fun on vacation. Thank you. I look forward to being on the flap draft. Yeah, that's good for myself too. Craig fantasy football show we're heating up drafts coming drafts are a lot of drafts at the end of August. I know. Yeah. You're doing it. Yeah. Am I doing it? It's off to you. You're doing it. You're fucking you're going to be. I think I responded maybe to the end. You did. You actually responded yes and then switched to the end. Wait, because you're thinking

about how you were treated last year. Yeah. Yeah, which was unfairly and rudely. But you know what didn't finish in last. I finished in last. Well, how sweet would it be if you came back in one and my let's have tea draft for me again. He's on Tina. You're on team. Thank you. All right. Thanks guys. Thanks