BONUS EP: Combine Deep Dive and Measuring Our Arms With Todd McShay and Steve Muench

The semester-by-tag lab-tabücher soft-behind the internet.

It's a master's real-time.

“I'm saying, you can say that you're a hero.”

You're a master, right? But you don't understand. Egal, it's a very famous job. Do you just do it with this story? And if you then work, you'll be able to do it.

-That's right? -Safe. This story is called "Holy Dangle". Now, let's try it out. [MUSIC PLAYING] Welcome to the Reconfinity Football Show, my name is Danny Hipertone.

I'm joined by Danny Kelly and Craig Roll. I get it a moment by Todd McShane's Steve Manch. We're here at the Combine in Indianapolis. And we had Todd and Steve from the McShade Report, the McShade show, and Todd does the McShade Report.

And they came on the show as awesome. We had a really fun conversation about the Combine and in-depth analysis of players, and we also measured their arms. -But many body parts were measured? -Yeah. Several different body parts.

-On from several different people. -Some of the front top of, uh, going and finding a tape measure in the hotel. -Yes. -So, props to you for that. I got to tell you, props to me for that,

“but also props because we recorded this with Todd and Steve”

on Wednesday night. - Wednesday night. And you will see in this episode, we literally had the conversation of "Where do the shoulders begin?" And we argued about it.

And guess what happened? Ruben Bain, we have conflicting reports of whether his arms are under 30 and 31 or over 32. And it's the same freaking conversation we had in our thumb bit where we wanted to measure arms in this episode.

And you know what? We fucking nailed it. -So, the reports of hyphids are linked. We'll find out. You'll find out what they-- -What are you saying? -What about my 34-inch arms? What are you saying? -But you say your wedding measurements

were a little hyped up, right? What do you say? -Well, people see a little bit. -Well, let's just say you went from a day one guy who did do. -At least two teams measured my arms at 34-inch.

-And with the problems. -As you could see, we had some fun and mench and Todd played ball with us, which was very nice of us. -Absolutely. -So, yeah. -We're going to hear that interview. And if you're watching on video,

then we're going to just change out all these chairs for your couches and our clothes really quickly. So, I just boom. Talk, roll that beat along, show. Special segment here.

From Indianapolis, we're here with Todd McShay in Steve Manch, and he's the only time he'd be called Steve the entire show. From the McShay report. -Good. -How are you guys doing over there? -We put this snug. -I feel it. -I feel it.

-I feel it. -Nice and warm over here. -I feel it. -I feel it. -I feel it. -I feel it. -I feel it. -Yeah, I feel almost bad about it. -But if one of them came over here, it would be worse.

-So, yeah. -Yeah. -Some of us would be worse than others if we switched. -Yeah. -We could play Tetris later. We wanted-- this is fun. So it's fun to have you guys on. This is really cool.

-Nice dinner. -Nice night, by the way. -Yes, absolutely. -Yeah, yeah. -You know, we should spend some time together. -We're really up at there. -Yeah, I'll shut up. -Go ahead and trim it. -We'll tell you how high we are.

-We have 24 shrimp, I think, so far. -You do have a conspiracy that the St. Elmo shrimp is smaller than it used to be. -It is. -It is, right? -It is, right? -It absolutely is. -I wasn't going to bring it up last night. -Absolutely is.

-And they're hiding it under the horse ranch. -Yes, you can't see it all the way in. -Well, we're on the top. I got to really care about it. It means it's big enough. -It's big enough all the time. -It's big enough all the time. -Yeah, I get it.

-But I always say this DK adding putting more cocktail sauce on the shrimp,

I thought it was fascinating. -It was fascinating. -It's fantastic, maybe. -I mean, I was eating it. -Yeah, I was eating it. -Yeah, yeah. -I was eating it. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -I was eating it. -Yeah, yeah, yeah.

-I was eating it. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -I was eating it. -I was eating it. -I was eating it. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -I was eating it. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. -I was eating it. -I was eating it.

I was eating it anyway, yeah. But we thought Ruben Baying with the arm, it was going to be the big inches loser of the week, but it's really the shrimp. It's St. Elmo's. -Yeah, yeah. -It's getting spicy. -It's conspiracy. I wanted to ask you guys, there's a bunch we have to hear.

We'll see how efficient we are to time. But I wanted to start with just at the beginning, the number one player in your big board and DKV, higher in your big board as well,

“and you have to make sure you report DKG,”

NFLDraft, that 300.com. And the number one player, Jeremiah Love, running back from Notre Dame, and you have this piece of paper in front of you that I've not seen. I'm a little bit of one player in your board. -Yeah, yeah. I'm fighting it. I think you can probably understand, yeah.

-Understand, right? -Yeah.

I've never had a running back, number one, overall.

And I bet you by the end of, I'll succumb to this feeling that I have, it's just not natural, it should be a quarterback, or it should be a pass runner or a left tackle, or, you know, so that part's different, but it's also, you know, identical grades as David Bailey,

are Valreys. I'm fast. This week usually doesn't change a lot at the top, and I'm not saying it necessarily will, but there's this kind of opportunity, right? With David Bailey saying he's going to go through all the workouts today.

And on Thursdays, he's going to go through all the workouts.

And we know our Valreys is, and we know sunny styles is, the true off-ball linebacker, but apparently what he's going to do here is something like Nick Emenwarri kind of stuff. So, in Jeremiah, I was going to run his 40, and that's going to wow a lot of people,

and he'll go through the position drills. But with these front seven guys, it'll be fascinating to see what comes out of this, you know? -I know this, you're probably sick of talking about this, but I think we have to, especially,

you guys have been talking about Wil Campbell for a year. You had Elliott Wolfeir talking about Wil Campbell, so you're probably sick of it.

But the arm length thing, it's never.

-That's good. -Never. But the Ruben Bay and Miami, so, you know, you have, you know, everyone stacks differently, but you've got, I think David Bailey's your second player. You got our Valreys, I think third.

You have our Valreys, like second, David Bailey. -There's very right next to you. -There's very right next to you. -Yeah, it's like flip-flop. But then Ruben Bay needs that top 10, and it's kind of the same thing for him,

like high motor. Never takes a playoff, which is always my favorite compliment. People give a play anyway. But then he's got the short arm plays a ton of snaps too.

“You think, I think you need to add that in there.”

They didn't rotate those guys a ton. I mean, he was always on the field. -Right. -It's like professional. -Yeah. -We're there rotating a lot of people. -Right, we're kind of Tennessee, Tennessee.

You play 20 snaps of games, a defensive line. -Yeah.

-So, I'm curious, do you think it matters more for arm-like,

because we were talking about this today? Does arm-like matter more for, like, a tackle or, like, an edge-rush. -Yeah. -He's my arm-length character. -It's definitely more for a tackle, I think.

And I'll say this too. Let's be more specific about it. I think for a tackle, I just think it's shows up more. About pushing guys past the edge. Whereas for defensive line,

and there's a, you're kind of, I can win in a bunch of different ways. Whereas a offensive line, and you're a little more reactionary, and you need to have that ability to push guys back.

And recover based on what the move is. Whereas a defensive anchor and say, this is my weakness. I'm going to go towards my strengths and minimize this, where, and I can test an offensive tack.

If you're a great edge-rusher in the NFL, you're going to watch tape and be like, this is this guy's weakness. If you were watching a little Campbell specifically, who, by the way, I do think play well this year,

and I think he can be really good. I think he's going to work on some things. But if you're watching a little Campbell, he's going to work on life-winning as arms. [laughter]

-He's going to work on life-winning as arms. But it was clear that he was in a hard time anchoring. -And they've ever lagged in the negative factors. -Yes. And everyone in the playoffs was like,

we smell blood. And so that's why they went after it. If you're an edge guy, and they're like, "Well, we're going to take this away. Well, I'm going to go to this.

And then I'm going to go to that. I'm going to try this."

“So I think that that's why it's more specifically,”

but I will also say we talk about this all the time. You can't just be like, "Oh, he's got short arms." And whatever. Does it show up on tape? I thought with Campbell and college it did.

I thought there were times where the arm length was an issue. There was a lot of talk about what we, I call the draft mafia zone, I call. On X, about how Will Campbell has had the greatest tape ever. And I was like, apparently he didn't watch South Carolina

or Ole Miss in the beginning of the year. There was just some bad tape. So this is a hot button. I mean, we're going to put three, like, how long to warm up to Elliott Wolf questions in when he jumped in.

And it was like, "Yo, you're left tackle, Elliott. He sucks. He's got short arms." I knew we couldn't play last year. You know what I'm like?

That's not what I said, but I knew it. So, but can I... I think it's important to say a couple things.

First of all, there's almost no point in time ever in football,

where the offensive tackle is a better athlete in space than the pass record. I'm coming at him. So, arm length becomes important too. It's like the old nephew against the pesky little, or the old uncle against the pesky little.

That's one of the more simple things to understand. It's like, "Yeah, a lot of the arms." You know?

“So, I think that's important to keep in mind.”

So, if you're asking which one's more important. The second is, and you touched on this. But like, if you really study it, you can tell if it matters. With Ruben Bain, yeah, there's some times I'd love a few at 35 inch arms,

because you could do a couple things that I see him get hung up on and stuck with. But I can tell you this, I just watched Derek Moore from Michigan. Really good player. Maybe late second, early third, where everyone's up going. Power, bull rusher, all that when he uses his arms correctly,

he can run over guys. And one incident, I think, at the senior bull. Did it a few times on tape, I watched. But I watched a guy in Derek Moore, who was getting kind of engulfed and it looked like he had shorter arms. And a lot of the tape that I watched on Bain,

who has three or two and a half inch shorter arms. I was gonna say, if you didn't know Ruben Bain's arm length, would you have known he had shorter arms? No. I heard it early in the season, so I guess it's tough to say.

But I didn't think it would be an issue for him. I hate playing this game. And this is the season. Who's going to be the fastest guy here? Who's going to have the longest arms?

It's really difficult to tell on tape about how that's going to go. I can tell you whether or not it's a problem. When I, and I can, I'll, there'll be in our reports during the season.

question mark because I'm seeing some things on tape that are concerning.

But I'm never like, oh, this guy's, he's actually better at it.

But he can be like, he'll be like, oh, he's a four six guy. So if I were a lie, I'm in college, right? Yep. And you're at tackle guard.

“So I wanted to ask, because I think the tape's important.”

And we always talk about the arm length. But also, you know, it's nice to have played. So we said it. We do this at dinner. And I don't know if you guys, oh, yeah.

No, you're not. Yeah. So you're not. All right. So we have to do that.

This is a fabulous talk. If you get to, uh, mention if you can reach toward, yeah, perfect. Thank you. It's a middle finger to middle finger. How do you do it?

No. Shoulder arm. Shoulder arm? Not doing wingsman. But you hold, well, hold them out.

Yeah. Sorry. So we're in a measure. We don't see if it's going to be a hand. Where should I be, yeah.

It's a little finger, really, right? But isn't it, like, but, but you know what's blocking like this. It's going to be the wrist. I think right here. Like in the meat.

The meat of the shoulder. That's a medical term. Okay. Good. But I don't want to give you something.

This one. Did they go to the fingertips? That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

But you can't block someone with your middle finger. You have to do the hinge of the wrist, right? Well, yeah. But this is how they do it. But that's dumb.

Why do they do it? Why does your whole hand count? There's a week.

I'm going to get third, you're welcome.

Thirty, three, two, and... Oh, okay. Thirty, eight, eight, no. Thirty, three, three, three. I'll take that.

There we go. I think I'm attack on you. All right. Yeah. We're going to do it.

So by the way, measured it with a ruler. I went into and with a ruler. What does that mean? It goes down. It goes down.

It goes down. So, okay. I'm excited about that. Get in the meat of the shell. I feel like he's cheating a little bit.

Coach V in high school. Coach V has got to tell me I was a guard. Tell me it was a standard. Thirty inch arm. Thirty one.

Oh my. Listen. I'm driving. I'm driving. I'm driving.

I'm driving. I'm driving. Yeah. Very fine now. I'm driving.

I'm driving. I'm driving. I'm driving. I'm driving. There's a little sleeve.

He brought it. He brought it.

I will say 31 is makes it all the worst of cash.

It's howl. We're being coming with the 30. I can't. It's the tape. My whole opinion is the huge offense.

The tackle is going to have short arms two by the way. Very small hands apparently. And I don't see that as being a problem. He's on a campaign this week. Yeah.

Fair enough. His guy is a love affair in this class. We think about him. He's kind of a court word. He ends her small in the arm of his.

Fanos. Hands are small. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. Cushioning the blow. What I would call a nuanced conversation is what I would say.

“I think we have to measure Todd's hands.”

Oh yeah. Let's see go. He's the quarterback. Yeah. He's the quarterback.

Yeah. So there this is something to be. Can I be careful. How much stuff are you measuring here today? Oh, Craig.

Any a little sister. Yeah. All right. I think we got a nine. Can I pick it?

He's on there. That's out of the room. Yeah. It's bigger than pick it. Nine and a quarter is what.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well.

Which is wild because I struggled a grip. Maybe because I'm just old. But like even when I was younger, the NFL ball was like quick. So can he pick it? If can do it with that as well.

Yeah. Can we get Craig's hand real quick? Craig. Craig. Hold on.

Don't. Did you play quarterback? Hold on. It's. I was small on high school.

I grew late. Ninety seven. Ninety. Ninety. I think these are that big.

Oh, there. Yeah. Do this. You're going to dislocate his pinky. That's right.

Almost ten, right? Eight point eight. But that looks wrong. That. That doesn't look.

I just.

“I think that's fascinating for a couple of reasons.”

I guess we're going to remember. This is. This is a man. A quarter. That's a man.

I heard set. Oh, you're not a quarterback. No. But this is a man I once heard say could throw for 20 yards. And then.

Oh, yeah. That was his aim to have his hands. It's not in half. - Put your hand up. - Let's say nine.

Oh my god, there's a big hand in it. - The 10. - Yeah, you gotta say, I'm gonna say that. - You gotta say, I'm gonna say that. - We've measured handling as a straight line,

but I'm like, it's kind of a circle. We don't really leave good measurements. - You have a stretch. They're like, they really stretch out. - But you're missing your missing in his hand.

- I know, you're not gonna have any. - There's such a scout. - You're still hung up on the measurements. You're missing the headline. You said he could throw for 20 yards on the other hand.

- Oh, it's okay. - I think I could be skimmed up. (laughing) - I'm gonna get a shenanet. - I'm gonna get a shenanet.

- Kyle Shenanet. His entire week, his only goal is to get me to 20 yards. He could do it. - He could do it. - Someone's on his head.

- He's on his head.

You do the little underhand, one foot toss. That's a pass. He could get me to 20 yards on a quarter. (laughing) - How many beyond the line of screwing it?

- Well, that's a different conversation. - You said you could back shoulder someone. - No, I mean, you're awesome. - Maybe a tight slant or something. (laughing)

- You throw a tight slant. - No, but I look screens and sweeps and things like that. I get to 20. - Absolutely. - Oh, I love it.

- Come on. Do you think I'm a, you don't know me at all. (laughing) Do you think I would be a better frower than Kendall Hinton, who got to like 18 yards?

- No. - You know what I'm saying? - No. - I went to my legs to work. - I know.

- I know. - This is what I'm telling you. Everybody who's been in the NFL ever is the best athlete from your hometown. - He was the best.

- They played a quarterback. - You said you was definitely the best athlete. - Do you play a better football than you boy? - No. - This is what I was like.

- First of all, it was actually acting in a movie.

- Right, yes, yes, yes. - But can't remember the name. - Can't remember the name. - How did this happen? - I was vertically challenged.

I was five to as a freshman in my, I still played freshman football. Because all my friends did. - Okay. - So I was totally feeling the team.

- I was too way too small. - So it's competitive football. You paid freshman? - Sure. - But like I didn't get on the field.

- Could you get to 20 yards? - No. - Well, how tall you have? - Six two. - Well, six two.

- Yeah. - I can be skinny. - I can be skinny. - You don't think I can be skinny though. - I can kind of see why.

- I can see blocked all of you guys. (laughing) - You can kind of see blocked all of you guys. (laughing) - Blocked all of you guys in the tech story.

- Yes. - If one of the quarterbacks, not name Mendoza, over the next two months, gets a lot of buzz and starts to be a guy that people convince themselves,

should go in the first round, mid first round,

and could be a guy. Who is it? And why are they convincing themselves if that over the next two months? - Todd's guy.

- Well, it is Ty Simpson. And I don't think it will be the next two months necessarily,

“except that I think teams that are interested in them.”

Maybe the Rams at 13 or 29, or the Jets at 16, is their second pick, which I hope he doesn't wind up there. (laughing)

- We all do, yeah. (laughing) - But what's the elevator? - The Browns are about 24. The elevator pitches through nine games

last year. Here's the best quarterback in the country. Because Mendoza played his best ball late in the season, and then things fell apart for Ty Simpson.

Now he's got some questions to answer, like what happened. I know some of the reasons why, but there's no excuses at that position. What are the reasons why?

- For starters, you're best wide receiver, and that's not even the biggest thing, but let's see that's the easy one. Your best wide receiver just stopped producing. - What drops?

- Drops and confidence and everything else. A guy that was like one A1B with Jeremiah Smith coming out recruited. He was supposed to be an absolute star in the faces of them. - He disappears.

Most importantly, they didn't ever run game. And so we saw it with Nusmai, even the year earlier, when he had that really good year, it wears on you over time,

to carry the offense and then the third part is,

“I think Venables figured out how to beat their protections,”

and I think everyone after that kind of used that blueprint. So you had those three things together, and then was it guest-stratus? - guest-stratus. - I mean, he got the shit kicked out of me at a back injury,

and then guest-stratus basically it seemed like a consequence of taking so many, so much pain, medication and, you know, down to 190 pounds by the rose ball, as the reports.

- Yeah, yeah. - So it's a lot of things. So you want to see him or is he back to 210? Is he healthy? What are the medical reports?

I mean, he, I was told by someone, I know is very close to he and his family. He wasn't even throw, he couldn't throw at the senior ball. So, and he was, it was a dream of his,

since he was like 12 years old, to play at the senior ball, just literally was not cleared to throw yet. So he's coming in just off of, a couple, couple weeks,

couple few weeks of getting prepared, but hopefully he's medically doing great, 210 pounds like normal, can kind of answer some of the questions, certain things,

and it's not going to be him doing anything physical from this point out. - Because physically, we know what he is. - Yeah. - Nothing that jumps off the page, right?

“- No, I think he doesn't have an elite physical trait.”

- I don't think he has any red flags either. - Yeah, he doesn't have an elite physical trait. - I don't think he has any red flags either. - Yeah, he doesn't have an elite trait. But he doesn't have an elite trait,

and some guys just won't draft quarterbacks that don't have an elite trait. I get that part, but where he's elite is his mind and his schedule and his organization. - So you said pretty much.

- Pre-snap, post-snap, all the things that go into it, and I think he's going to really wow some people with that aspect of it, and is that enough to get a team to draft him in the middle of first round, we'll wait and see,

but I can't imagine he's going to get out of the top 40, and I'll be surprised if he's not a first round. - You know what scares the hell of me? - We've seen an Alabama quarterback wait to get the starting job.

Get drafted in the middle of first round,

and it did not go well.

“I mean, Mac Jones is like, different players,”

I know all the time you were talking about. - No, no, they're different players. - You're going to make two stars. (laughing) - It's scary man.

- It's scary man. - It's scared. - 13 games you played? - It's 15 stars. - It's 15 stars.

- It's frightening. And the history tells you that he's going to have to be a complete outlier. And so first round picks at 15 stars, it doesn't work.

And so we'll see, but I like them. - You can fall in love with the tip. You can easily fall in love with the tip. There's games and plays that you're like, yeah, this guy's a dude.

- Yeah, in the early part of the season, where people were like, this is the QE1, as you said. - Yeah. - So, five star.

- Five star guy? - Yeah. - I'm worried about the fact that he is an outlier. To me, that's just the lack of starts thing. It's tough, and he's already a little bit older.

But I mean, if he ends up somewhere, where he is a backup for a little bit, and gets some time to season out or whatever, whatever you want to call it. - Somewhere.

- There are so many things. - So we have this market now, right? With Malik Willis, all of a sudden. - Right. - The greatest quarterback.

- Right. - It's kind of wild by the way. - And still, there's really one Aaron Rogers to come back for a year, and Daniel Jones. - Yeah.

- But I'm just saying, so this is the market that we have. And you say to yourself, "Well, we could get a really good player." But we're also all saying that,

well, I get 10 to 12 guys with true first round grades

in this class. So you get me to 13. And I'm like, all right, so I'm getting, what I would consider at early second round, if that's what the board is.

Is it worth just taking a shot here? Or I got Matthew Stafford, and we got the smallest of windows, so I better get another, so it's, for each organization that would entertain it,

there's a lot that goes into this. But I also know, I'm close friends with a couple of GMs, who spent one who is out of the league now, and another who spent a vast majority of careers chasing a quarterback, doing everything else right,

and every other position right, great rosters. We all applaud everything. Can't get the quarterback right.

“So, like, maybe I just keep taking the hacks, right?”

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think there's something to say for drafting whenever you're. Yeah. Like, you know.

Thank you very much. Just take one. And just press it yesterday. Yeah, I don't say a problem with taking a quarterback, every single year.

I do do something. And if you hate, you mean you hate, you get like a Russell Wilson, and you have that rookie contract. I think more value.

Oh, right, nothing. Nothing. Well, they look at the Browns or the most analytics driven front office in the league, and from an analytics call. But I'm so funny.

Well, I hate the Jonah Hill from money. Great. Paul to put that to have to run high tail of the Rockies and the Rockies. I mean, the Rockies are trying to put a salary cap on non-player spending. So, I mean, I don't know if that was like.

But they're just looking at it from a value standpoint. You drive one in the fourth or fifth, or even a six or seven thing.

You go get a third for them.

They're going to have to find out. That's compensated. That's one in the third. You can go eventually. You've got to be able to draft players and develop them

with all those picks that you get, you know. But conceptually, they're not like, I agree with that portion of the analytical puzzle. Yeah, John Schneider used to say it all the time. I mean, he didn't actually do it.

But I love that. He's running around the board. He's running around the board. I think it was all the time. I think it was.

I mean, Wolfra was that. Who was it? Up before him. Sanford Sisko. Not John Lynch.

I was the guy. You go to Jacksonville, Trent Bowen. No, it's Bill Walsh. Oh, Bill Walsh. It was okay.

My wife. But I know that Elliot Wolf was one of the first GMs in position where it's like, if it's not every year, it's every other year. Even if when you draft one, we're going to bring one in, you know. Everyone told, he has to have Bill Walsh, everyone on the Niners on the organization.

Should we trade for Steve Young, everyone told them no one. He was like, fuck it. I did it anyway. And good idea. Yeah.

No one knows that the smartest people you do do the well. Well. Bill Walsh, Ron Wolf. They're all like no one knows. Throw a bunch of darts.

The Patriots with the draft. They're like, no one knows it's hard. Like we want more picks and more picks. You can be more right. And so I'm the quarter.

I think I could talk about forever. But to the thing, you guys just alluded to it. The draft. How much do we talk all the time? So yeah, you got to take the best player available.

“Does anyone actually take the best player available after the first 40 picks?”

Well, they do on there. This is the tricky thing, right? Because need drives up value. So they, they're all something they're looking at that guy. And they're like, well, he's actually, we like him a little bit more than this other guy.

Even though it's need drives up value. But then they're final board. They're having him higher. So like, oh, it's the highest down our board. And it's like, well, there's a little bit of bias there.

The board of what you needed.

Yeah.

So I mean, otherwise Caleb downs would go, what?

Well, you, this is something that's crazy to me. And I want to ask you about where he is on your board. You don't have Caleb downs in your, the top three. You have, how's it? Can I look real quick?

Sure. He's number four. So he's got three 94s. And then Caleb downs in a 93. I just don't know.

Like, I just don't know who's a better player than Caleb downs is. You know what I mean? So that was interesting to me. I love Caleb. I have him at three.

So very close. Yeah. Hi, Fitz is obsessed with Caleb downs. He's your guy. I just think the position value thing.

It's like, it depends why.

“And I think the difference is, I think we've seen in recent years.”

There's a ton of evidence that you take a running back. And you're not really, you haven't built the infrastructure. The running back doesn't actually make people better. The running back needs other people to, you know, the giants didn't want to Stake on.

The Panthers didn't win the Christianity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

If Z goes to the Cowboys in the best online in the NFL, or Christian McCaffer goes to Shanae and her girly goes to Sean McVe, or Sacred goes to the Eagles. Best offensive line. Best play call or running backs work.

Otherwise, it doesn't seem to have an impact. I will say, the safety thing, say, kind of play. I don't know what position you necessarily want to call him. It could do a bunch of things. I just think it's so clear that he's making everyone else better.

He increases the margin of error for all these other positions. And so I think I don't think any of the teams should be taking your,

Jeremiah, Jeremiah love in the first five or six picks.

So, like, I think it's a mistake the same way the Raiders probably should It took Membo instead of Ash and Jente. But if I look at Caleb downs, I see the giants taking cave on Tibito and Evan Neil over Kyle Hamilton. And everyone's like, well, he's the best player in the draft.

And then you can take him. No, he's a safety. And then you're later like, well, he's the best player in the league. And I'm like, just take Caleb downs. This might be something.

I guess I was more like a-- No, no, no, no, I'm not saying. I think like running back is obviously more, you know, predicated, success is predicated on those round. And blocking and everything else.

I do think safety do a certain. It's, I don't think it's predicated. I think the value you get from a safety is predicated. On, do you have the people up front to allow him to then go be a star? You know, and the ravens did.

Yeah. You know, the giants do not. Well, the giants, the giants do. They need to, they need their run defense. That's what I mean.

I think helping that, that regard. They've got, like, they've got pass rushers. Yes.

“And so, but here's the thing, here's the thing I struggle with.”

Because I could make the argument all day long. He's the best football player in this draft. Just football player in stings. He's like a step and a half ahead of all these guys who ate them. We've got drafted last year or another.

How many are going to go this year?

It feels like half the first round or how is they defensive players again.

But. He's not that big. He's average size. Right. I think he's going to be good speed.

Like four, four, four, three, four, four. So like that, but actually he's not even worry size speed, right? He's not that length of a Kyle Hamilton. He's he falls off some tackles. He's not elite in some coverage situations.

Deep middle. Like so. But I absolutely adore what he is. And I think he's again probably the best football player in this draft. But am I going to take that over an edge rush or if I'm a team picking in the top ten.

And I'm just not ready to plug in that piece. You know, I guess that's that's where my struggle is. I hear you. I mean, you just made my pitch though. And it's like we're like nitpicking.

We really like it. I just I just everybody. Yeah, nitpicking. Yeah. Yeah.

So a couple of things just before we get out of here. I want to start with you because I'm not going to tell you who made this comparison afterward. But someone respected compared. Jeremy I love to Reggie Bush.

And I want to ask you what you think of that because I thought Reggie Bush. I thought Reggie Bush as a college player was on that level of like comparing. Tight into grok or something. Yeah. And I really thought twice.

And I'm curious. Should people take that like. Should people get it. Like we're almost stuck so much talking about your my love. Shouldn't be taking that top ten running back.

Right. Is another Reggie Bush coming into late. Do you think he's actually?

“I mean, I think where that comp comes from is the passing game.”

Work that Jeremiah level provide like he's a legit receiver. Which is I think what made Reggie Bush so great and Reggie Bush. I just don't make conflict that typically unless I'm like super, super sure that I. This guy's going to be like transformational in a file. But I mean, I understand where it's coming from.

Stylistically point of view explosive player break tackles, explosive. Plays. I mean, and then the passing game stuff is massive. So, but yeah, I mean, it's. I understand where it's coming from.

I just. It's hard to compare someone to Reggie Bush. That's. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't love it. Yeah. And I'm not saying it's wrong or I'd like I don't. I just like I think there's more peace on maybe. I think there's stylistically.

Yeah. A little different. That that makes sense. But what they can do. But the style of how they do it to me is a little bit different.

Is he on par with be John, Ash and genties.

He above those guys below them. Be John's different. Yeah.

“He was he's well, I think we went through the other day.”

I gave a grade was on par with genty. I think he's close to the genty then, but not be John. Was there someone else we had that we're going through? Say he went in there. Say one.

Say one's highest here, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense. You don't agree with the comparison.

The Melchipers comp for Jeremiah Love is Reggie Bush. Which of course is it? Of course is it? Of course is it? He's got the 40 years.

Some of that fact I Melchiper. I like me a career 50. He gave me a career for 15 years. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun.

You know, I mean, to give me stuff like that. I mean, to ask you, dinner, if we could do the Todd Todd Todd Todd. If that was fun, then I remember you're in the video. So I was like, okay. That was a weird deal, man.

That was the day of the day of the Boston bombing. And my family back in Boston checked in with one of the top executives. I was like, yo, I got it. I got it back on, you know. And he's like, is everyone alive and say I was like, yeah, right now.

But you know, there's like, and where did you get you? Where did he say, caliando's been in make up for eight hours. I can't, you know, I was like, okay. So we do all that. So we went through and we take a bunch of different segments.

And he's running down to the calf or there's a Starbucks. The Chugging coffee to do that that trans the teleportation thing. Then he comes up and he stinks like coffee. He's like, oh, but it's standing over my shoulder. And he's like, I think we got everything we need.

And he's like legitimately hopped up because he was drinking that much coffee. And I was like, he's like, can you think of anything else I miss? Like, take a minute.

“And I was like, honestly, the only thing I could think of.”

And I don't know if you have a bit for it. But I'm like, including my mom and my family.

I don't think a human being is ever said my first name more.

And he's like, you know, he's like, you make a couple of sounds. He just like, Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd, you know. And so he goes, all right, he goes. He went back into his studio that he was in, because we were taping from different places.

And that's where it was birth. And he did that last segment that became the Todd Todd in like a minute and a half. We did it like one take. He just went nuts. And then that was it.

That's the best. Yeah. You're better impressions than making. Oh, yeah. Todd Todd Todd.

That's not bad. That's not bad. Yeah. It's pretty good. Oh, my God.

All right. Well, anything else you guys want to give me? Give me a player that you love in this draft. Okay. Dylan Thayneman from.

Yeah. I'm excited to see what he does. I've heard that he's like super explosive, super fast. Maybe even he's going to be awesome. I'm running the fourth freeze or something like that.

I don't know if we'll get there. But he was a guy that when you turn on the table, you're like pleasantly surprised. Oh, this guy is legit. So he wouldn't be one guy that came to mind.

How are you guys feeling about him? I was watching his fresh been tape it pretty. Because he played in the box last year a lot. And then when he was a freshman, he played deep. Like six pixels.

And I'm watching him like this kind of play free safety. Like he runs like a free safety, tracks like a free safety. Talks to the police as he's the best nickel. He's ever cut, cut, cut, cut. A lot in cover that he's ever been around.

Play him in the nickel, play him in the box. He's going to run really well. Like he said like stuff and practice even that you don't see on tape. He's like this is this is stuff. He's got.

So it's a good safety. You get Caleb Downsward debating is the best player in the class. Um, Emmanuel McNeil Warren. I love he's a fun player. I like him a lot.

So you get a free safety in the first round, which is not.

And every year occurrence, but yeah. Anyone else you love DK DK weirdly bats 85% with wide receivers? He's like, well, I receive a wide receiver. Oh, I mean, you can hear McNeil and take. Uh, I like them.

I actually think it's going to be fascinating to see did he measure yet? How big is? Uh, no. So the measure, the. We're taping this on Wednesday.

Right. So tomorrow Thursday is defensive alignment and linebackers. And then they basically the morning. It's different. They used to do it in advance.

It's the morning of their work out. They, they, yeah, right. Okay. Because they're not crazy. I've got all that wrong on our last ride of shows.

No. They changed a couple of years ago, but yeah. But anyway, I think it. This is again, it goes to the question that this whole draft kind of brings up. Is like, how high do you take a guy who primarily has played inside?

I guess, I mean, I think he can play a little bit outside. But that's where he's been at at his best. Is that worth the top 10 pick?

“I think that's what teams are going to have to ask themselves.”

It's, it's very similar to the safety questions. Very similar to the off-ball linebacker question. Was your favorite receiver? Tate. Tate.

Yeah. And then lemon. Yeah, I think so. Let me see. Yeah.

And then, and then, I like, there's, like, casey concept. You know, and I like him that a lot. I like Denzel Boston a lot. Jordan Tyson, I like a lot. And I think those are kind of our my top five guys.

And is there one outside of the five that you kind of want to plan a flag or no? I mean, I like Omar Cooper a lot as well. Yeah. He's, I think, similar to lemon, there's going to be questions of whether he plays outside,

You know what I'm just saying?

He, um, I didn't realize this. He, until I went back and was watching. He played, um, is almost flip flop the snaps. Vast majority in slot in 25. Vast majority on the outside in 24.

So there is, you know, there is tap. It's, it's a little different with that. Mendoza. But you, and he didn't have the year, but he, at least has some reps there. But yeah, right.

“I think body control hands, reliable hands,”

um, run after the catch. Yeah. How about this car for the big play? A Jarvis Landry actually with speed. Right.

Yeah. You know that. I heard you say that. And I think the site, like in terms of just his physical, he's, he's a thicker player. Yeah.

Yeah. He's not like a skinny, spindly slot guy. He's, he's got some bulk to him and really tough. They got the catch point. Um, I mean, we all see in the crazy catches that he makes.

I think that's obviously. Yeah. He blocks. Yeah. You might do the best blocker.

I've seen on tape so far. Yes. When they're on lemon fever better. Yeah. You had it lemon though.

You don't like lemon. I love lemon. I love his tape. I don't think tradition. I like, I love the lies and more.

He's coming out of Ole Miss. I mean, he had some of the best hands I've ever seen on tape. Yeah. But he was, I don't think he's going to be that small. But love, love, love is one of those things.

You have, he, he, he put some perspective on your love. Like, like, you can love a girl that you only want to take on in a date one time. You don't really love her. Yeah. I, I, yeah.

You kind of think that's hot. And you want to kick the tires a little bit. Right. But by the way, this is, he does this all the time. It's always comes back.

But, but truthfully. If you, it's like, we're in a long show. In order to love McIleman, you've got to have them up in a range with the, where I will be more specific. I understand what you're saying.

I really like to take. I love how competitive he is. I think he can be really good. I don't think receivers it.

“I mean, I think I'm, I'm on Ross and Brown is five, eleven.”

But like when you started to get under six foot, he was like five, eleven, three quarters, I think. Yeah. That's ideal. If that's what Levin is.

I'm like, I'm fired up and he's probably going to be my number two receiver. Right. That being said, right now, I don't think he is. And if he's five, ten or shorter, I just think we're talking about outliers again. Outliers again.

And why am I, like, what's he running? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if this is a good, a very good comp. But I threw this out to these guys and they kind of like shot me down.

But I hear my enemy have dug bald when a little bit in the sense that route running Ability does uncover quickly, separate it really quickly. And then just incredible catches. His catch radius and his ability to go up a toughness at the catch point. Really reminded me of Doug Baldwin.

I'm going to see you. I'm going to say, you got to, then you love Levin. Our argument was like, if he's Doug Baldwin, that's not a first run pick. Right. That is, that's insane to me.

Maybe not a top 10 pick. I think that's insane that you can be a way out of first run pick. Yeah. To me, that's like, go watch Doug Baldwin. Yeah.

You haven't watched Doug Baldwin enough. That's probably not. I'm not rewatching Doug Baldwin today. What are we talking about? I'm looking forward to 20 yards of the game.

Yeah. So you guys don't think I can get to 20 yards is where we're going to end this. You don't. You can't get me to 20. Nothing.

Before you try to stretch your hand out and I saw the lack of flexibility in your hands. But I'm a massage. I know. There might have been a chance. Yeah.

When you told me you never played organized football and your hands don't really spread out.

Yeah. More vertical length than personal unfortunately. Unfortunately. I, I, I, I, I thought about that.

“I, I, I texted, I was like, what is happening right here?”

It was an only take first. I do. You know what I'm saying? It's a little too big. Yeah.

And you're just trying to run around knocking killed by a pass for sure. You're like, just the looting off. Like the loose. Oh, man. Yeah.

It's like a. I don't understand. Like I do think this is funny too. You like you think the screen game that that this guy that's going to be 15 yards. I don't know.

So we're going to get the velocity on this pass before a quarter and NFL corner can jump it and take it. He's going to bounce the pass. So you get it like. I got what we need. We need Janet on the on the show.

I. There's a way to get it done. That would be better. More entertaining than the proble. I mean, if we could set it up.

I mean, that would be better to watch.

There's a bit I think in not another teen movie, which you guys probably have never seen.

Yes, in it. There's a guy that they let him go out on the field and he just gets chopped in half. That's kind of like what I picture in. Yeah. I'm not saying like,

Bahomes gives hurt. I come in. No one knows. You can try to write and I just have to like hit it. Fucking post.

I'm not saying that. I'm like, shinning for a week is like, all right, if I get Craig the 20 yards, I went to build a mess. I went to build a mess in you and you. Stop. Stop.

Positive for the Tyreical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's what I'm saying.

A healthy Tyreical. Like maybe you could get 20. Tyreical. But if not what we're talking to yards open, you got to get it. No, I'm saying like on a on a on a on a jet sweet.

So where he just catches it and he instead of go. Yeah. It goes. I mean, that that, you know, the year.

Like six of them were little flips to Travis Calsey.

“The little shuffles for the little Tyreaks.”

Craig's eight out is going to be negative. Yeah. I do think he'd throw behind Tyreak though in the motion. No way. He doesn't.

You'd like to see. Yeah. Yeah. You're very plugged in. Can you ask one of the GMs and your part of your, yeah, your decision.

Make yourselves as soon as it'll lootly in. [LAUGHTER]

A genius learning six two civilians.

[LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] Plades sports, you know. I want to know. Thank you guys for coming.

Thank you for having me. Make shape report. It's phenomenal.

“You guys have had, I think, a quarter of the GMs in the league.”

Even if none of them actually answered the questions. People want to know about Craig's 20 yards passing. [LAUGHTER] So now I'm going to show. Please check it out.

And make shape report.

DK's got his draft guide.

He's top 50 big board. And a full draft. That's around the corner. Make shape report. Which is it.

Yeah. Lost in and down a mole. Yeah. It's because he did Parker call my eye.

“You're a little higher on him than anyone going into the week.”

Yeah. Yeah. The only one comparing Peter Woods to characters in Dune. That was interesting. That we'll talk about.

[LAUGHTER] [LAUGHTER] Yeah. Not shy, Lou. Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you, Charlottes. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you, Manch.

Dot. Dot. Dot. Dot. Thank you.

Talker. Thank you. Comer. Thank you. Nick's got a boat, by the way.

Thank you, Jake. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you, everyone. Thank you for listening.

Oh, thank you, Lauren. Lauren. What's your favorite band? What's happening? We're saying we're ending the show.

I'm a national guy. I like the national one. Oh, that's great. There we go. Perfect.

Boom. Thank you, National. All right. Goodbye, everyone. [BLANK_AUDIO]