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All right. All right. Now, Tuesday night, the midnight boys return to give their interreactions to the first episode of Daredevil born again, season two. Yeah.

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Bullseye. Maybe. Maybe. You guys are saying this, okay. But on today's show, wow, what a consequential week.

A consequential day in the family. Yeah. We have two massive, massive trailers to talk about, not only the trailer, to the highly anticipated epic final conclusion of Denny Villain-a-Wavis, Doomsville and the wave, who's it

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Spider-Man brand new Dave. So this is what I was going to ask before the reactions.

I was going to talk about Spider-Man first.

Just do it. You guys want to flip it and do Doomsville first.

“Let's do Spider-Man first because that's what Spider-Man first.”

That's the one that's freshest on our minds. Doing came out, we said, "The Dooms trailer dropped, I think it was Monday." After the Oscar. I have Monday. Monday after the Oscars.

The Spider-Man trailer has actually just dropped in full. They had, well, it was a very interesting strategy to try to release it in three-second pieces across the internet. So annoying. That went nowhere for me.

It breaks. Yeah. Because the internet is different now, where if you all we do, it's been all our day breaking down over indexing on three-second clips. It's like, this is why this thing is bad, this is why this thing is bad.

And the Spider-Man people are like, "Cool, here's what we're going to do.

We're going to drop this trailer in three-second clips and the internet is not going to be deleted." For a whole day. Have we forgotten how to do this normally, where it's like the lanters trailer got leaked early. They doing Spider-Man is in three-second chunks.

Can the towel just drop the trailer? Just drop the shit. Don't do this again.

“I think that the three-second chunk thing was a miss, obviously trying to reinvent”

the wheel there. I do think that a lot of these leaks are on purpose. Sure. I think a lot of these leaks are on purpose. A lot of these leaks are a way of dipping your toe into the like, see how warm the water

is, and also to goose people for the fact that number one of trailers coming. It's cut. It's done, whatever, but also like clandestine marketing for this, the pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-pre-drop. I think it's, I think it's on purpose. But we'll see.

Anyway, the trailer is outchuk, take-- Alright, Spider-Man brand new days directed by Desin Daniel Cretan, written by Chris McKenna and Eric Summers. We finally have an official synopsis, which goes four years past since the events in the way home, and Peter's now in adult living entirely alone, having voluntarily erased

himself after erasing himself from the lives and memories of those he loves. Crime finding in a New York that no longer knows his name, he's devoted himself entirely to protecting his city, full-time Spider-Man, but has the demands on him intensify the pressure sparks of surprising physical evolution that threatens his existence, even as a strange new pattern of crimes gives rise to one of the most powerful threats he has ever faced.

It's featuring John Bernthals, Punisher, Mark Ruffalo, as the Hulk, and a potential tease of our villain, negative man, and an Easter egg featuring a woman that looks suspiciously like rogue from the X-Men, first reactions, van, Spider-Man brand new day. It couldn't have possibly been better. Okay.

That was a fantastic trailer. Three things are trailer had to do. Number one, pick up what we left off with Peter's emotional state as far as how he's

dealing with being estranged from the two most important people in this world, about the trailer

did a great job of showing that. Tom Holland has changed physically as well, so because he's changed physically as well, he's a little bit more grown-up, it seems like they grounded the movie around that. Number two, it had to kind of make us believe in the new New York that we're sort of seeing now.

We're graduating at high school, this is an adult version of Spider-Man, that's a little bit closer to the Toby McGuire Spider-Man that we got early on, a little bit more of the Spidey that we were used to reading about when we were reading the comic books and following the character on entire lives.

“I think they did that fantastically as well, paired down street level, also create a world”

of wonder in New York and out of his queen's neighborhood, that looked fantastic, the villains that he's finding, the intrigue about what's happening to him physically. The cameo's, both really weren't, the Punisher cameo really weren't, the banner cameo really weren't. I thought the trailer legitimately was a ten out of ten, it could not have been better

for me. I, there was one shot early in the trailer and this is the Mark of a good trailer that

upside down and then maybe they've done it in other movies but when you get to see inside the mask and it was like, yeah, it's a really good look. Not only was it a great shot, but I thought it was so smart because when you saw Robert

Downey Jr. do that, constantly as Iron Man, that always gave me the feeling of, this

is the smartest man in the world and he is in control, he is at the cockpit telling everybody what to do and when they did this with Tom Holland, just in a second it made you realize okay, he's isolated and it was just like, I like relaxed and then throughout the rest

“of the trailer, I might be wrong, what I think they struck really, really well, this felt”

like a six issue arc of a comic where it's like, okay, Peter's physically changing, but his allies here, Punisher and Bruce Banner, but also there's a bunch of villains, but we know there's a main one. It seemed like instead of being like, oh, we're just going to tell one epic story, they're like, no, no, we're finally almost going to build a new world for Peter and I really,

really enjoyed that, especially because if you think about it, the grounding world for the first three films were school and no one has that. Yeah, I think the what a trailer is supposed to do is get you excited to get you intrigued by the movie that you're, you're going to want to see, I think it did it perfectly. I'm left like, is that the hand?

What's going on with Peter, where to, like, where's Scorpion bin this whole time, and then you add the fact that the best part of Sean Chi, at least for me, was the combat, like

the hand-to-hand stuff, like that stuff worked, especially in the first half of the movie,

and knowing that Descendental Cran's bringing that sauce to this movie as well, we didn't just like, totally see it in the trailer, but no, that he has that in his back pocket. I can't wait for this movie. I think this, this trailer took my excitement to another level. It's also, I think, the best possible premise that introduction, like for an introduction

that Descendental Cran's movie has had for me in a long time, because we've had two high school movies before, and like, that was, those were good. I think we all knew, at least, can, for tell the writing on the wall, when no way home was coming out, that this was going to be a endgame level event for all of the Spider-Man that we've ever grown up with, but this right now feels like a kind of jaded and isolated

Peter Parker that is, kind of cursed with the knowledge of how things were supposed to be in his life. I mean, he saw his girl on, on his, talking your girl on his, and he took off the villain, bro. That's real.

That's hilarious. I'm like mood. Yeah, man. That's a great thing. How would you put your life back together if no one else knows it's supposed to be your

life? Yeah. Along with the burden of having to look after this city, the smaller things in the trailer that you see that actually get you a little bit more excited for Daredevil as well, where

“you see the mayor's aid right there, given in the key to the city, you kind of understand”

maybe the reasons why our Daredevil might have had to go to the shadows, which he did at the end of the first season of Daredevil born again. He's probably in the shadows, because Spider-Man is the city's favorite hero. And you couldn't have both of these guys running around flipping around what happens in Daredevil this season that makes Spider-Man be able to get the key to the city while the rest of

the masks are banished by Wilson Fisk to the shadows of New York or Hell's Kitchen or whatever. Their story there, there's actually intrigue there. When I just go in for the member berries and Iron Man's not going to fly out and save the day, this Spider-Man sort of has to save the day, that is deeply, deeply intriguing

to me. What do we think they're pulling from for the storyline, because that was a new surprise for me, which was Peter's obviously going through something. They had this long spider-ship battle spider-puberty. Yes, and I was just like, okay, are they kind of teasing the comic book run when Peter

had arms like the spider-man's spider, is it going to be the one where he had to? There was one comic run, I think Moreland was his name. Moreland, yeah. The winners. Yeah, because it seems like now they're going from, and now it makes the choice obvious,

when he had the web slingers that we can see, are they going back to a more Toby McGuire or Gannick Webbing? I was like, that's the goal, that's the goal, I was like, oh, there's even a shot of him kind of just like, coming out of a little like Toby didn't go with the organic webbers.

He did. Yeah. And that was a device, I remember back in the day, that was a divisive choice.

“I remember watching you guys a kid being like, that's how it works.”

Yeah, I can never remember this, remember I bricked this on the spider-man like on, when

we did the ill-fated spider-man midnight cord, I can never remember if they teased the organic

How they, how they, I had watched the, obviously, my first intro to spider-man was the movies, right? So watching movies, and I'm in my head, I'm not going to come to the trauma, I'm like,

he's always had organic web shooters, and then 2012 spider-man comes out and he got the

mechanical one, I'm like, wait, what's going on? What's the truth? There you go back and find out, oh, Sam right me like to me this whole time, actually, the man he's supposed to have the mechanical web shooters because that shows his genius.

“I think it's interesting that they're kind of flipping that in this movie, where first he”

had the mechanical joints, and now like to show his growth or change in his life, they're going to like literally put him in a cocoon and give him organic web. We know for sure that he's got organic web shooters, it's just like it was teased, right? Yeah. There's a moment where he's like reaching for something, like instinctively wanting to

shoot a web, and I don't know if that is actually going to like turn out to be his real thing. Well, because he doesn't have, he doesn't have his stuff that he did. And it was, because there's even, there's a moment where you see what I presume is Peter Parker's body, someone's running tests on it, and I think it's Bruce Banner.

And I even just thought that because usually, in past Spider-Man movies, any single time

this month, I've got a biology question, he's always going to Kirk Conner's.

Yeah, it's like all of the Kirk Conner's, and I like it being Bruce now, I was a little bit like, uh, and just seeing, if I'm going to be honest, seeing heavy hitters like Tom Holland again, and Bruce Banner, there is just a different feel, like, like it just does kind of immediately restore the feeling of like, oh, that's huge. I like the interplay.

Yeah, we're frying too. Oh, wait. I want to ask about that. It seems like I thought that this was going to be a new thing where it's like, oh, we're introducing Punisher at Spider-Man, and maybe going off and maybe what happens

in Daredevil born again, it seems like we have a version where, like, Punisher and I just

“try to have been running this now, he's like, friend, come on, man, what you doing?”

This is important. That is very important for the future of Frank Castle and the MCU, because where Frank Castle is with Daredevil, they're like contemporaries, they're two human people, well, one guy's kind of human, he's got superpowers, but whatever, they're two human people kicking and punching, getting beat up, bleeding and stuff like that.

When Punisher is around super power people, he is a nuisance, right? When he's around Spider-Man, when he's around the rest of the Avengers, when he is a crazy guy, Spider-Man tells him to go home, he's saying stay out of this, like you're a little bit, this is not a shot at the character of the Punisher, because in the Punisher's world, there's this desperation, this single-minded focus that completely orient the character

to his world.

But whenever the rest of them see the Punisher coming to the room, the vibe has always

been. This Nick, the version of that is in the original Civil War comic, where it's like Punisher walks through and cat beats the shit. There you go, Punisher walks in, this is a perfect example, Punisher walks in, cap has made a deal with a bunch of villains because he's out there trying to fight, Punisher walks

in and just waste them, yeah, and just waste them, and the panel goes back and is him sitting there with the smoke coming out of his guns, the Captain America just can't fucking handle it. Yeah, and he beats this, we talked about this before, this fucking guy again, and that dynamic between them, you know that Punisher's going to serve probably a more important function

in his story, but him stopping it from cursing, trying to whip up his guns, trying to stop Punisher from doing Hyrule's harm and not Hyrule's work. So we got a little shot of Sadie Sink, presumably Sadie Sink, we still don't know who she's playing. The internet now speculated screwball, and if you got Sadie Sink, you don't waste

a screwball, you know what I mean? Let's be serious.

“Like, what do you think her purpose is in this year?”

Well, I'll be honest with you, it's Spider-Man, it's becoming a mutant. If he's mutating, and now Spider-Man is becoming a mutant, I go back to my generation. Yeah. Like, if that actually was happening here, if we're watching Spider-Man turn and become a mutant, which would really be a human mutate as we know it, I'm back to my generation.

Alright, so I will say this, not my X-Men. We got to stop doing the shit when they made Ms. Marvel mutate whack, whatever they tried to kill. But they were just playing too much. No, but that's precedent there though, they did that in the comics.

They took it, they said tear genesis, you know how bad the human show was. He was showing ruin to humans for everybody to say, alright, bad. We clean our house, we get in, we race in that from the cannon, we don't end the garbage.

Well, how do Blackbowl get his powers?

Who cares? Right?

“Ms. Marvel, welcome to X-Men, he's a card, he's a room, thank you for coming.”

That's like, they're not gonna, I don't think they're gonna make Spider-Man immune. I think that's a little bit too far, but for this Marvel, it's a little different. But then let's talk, let's talk about the rogue of it all. I don't think that's what I don't think that's what I'm talking about. That's what I don't think that's what I don't think that's what I don't think that's what I'm talking about.

While it won't be a just fan, she love herself too much.

She would never do that to her stuff, come on, let's have some, let's have some.

I actually did like that part because I'm like, Ari, if you keep a cute and it's just a little bit, like, hey, you know, quick gag, I'm fine. There's a bunch of mutants running around in this movie, I will be a little bit like, okay, so like, who is Keith David Blink's, obviously that was his voice, he's recognized with voice and Hollywood?

“What's he doing? That's why that's my biggest question now, why are we hearing Keith David?”

I'm, I'm into it. Who do you think he is? My best friend, Xavier, no, I'm a show. Keith David, actually, okay, wait a minute. You should have said, he's not a job. He's not a job, but actually, I might know. Not the character, but there have been rumors that what punishers, spider-man and everybody might be fighting against,

is like a mutant force that not an anti-mutant force that is rising and trying to capture. And that might connect back to Daredevil, like trying to capture a new ensuer, extra-powered individuals and maybe that's how a gene gray teams up was like a punisher, something like that, where it's like, okay. And that might be the Keith David. And that this brother man is like a mutant type of guy who's going through his old transformation.

Good trailer here, though. Good trailer gives you enough questions to still want to get you

“into the theater. Also gives you enough answers to what you should expect dramatically from an”

action standpoint that you're excited about going, which is the mark of a good trailer. I do want to come back and talk about the human element of this, which is, there's a part of this, that's just an origin story for this version of spider-man, which is going to feature him meeting MJ, him meeting, again, like him meeting his friends and how he becomes friends with them, which we have gotten before in spider-man movies, which was kind of done differently with

this iteration of spider-man, but they're doing it again. I'm as excited about that, as I am about anything, maybe more. Do you think this movie ends with the reintroduction of MJ and Ned into his life? Or do you think that this might be a sort of thing where maybe they're not in his life? And he has to accept that. I gotta be honest with you. I mean, it seems very clear that at different points on the movie, he's like, I couldn't imagine that being in the case,

who plays you like that. I don't think because if that's the case, it's a waste of narrative. I don't know how much more than Dale legitimately, the biggest female star in the entire world, the biggest woman in box office lady, and I don't know how much he's going to want to come back and play MJ. I mean, I don't know if that's a calculus in this, but I couldn't imagine going back to that and then having those characters not being in a mood for it. For this being the final film

before Doomsday, do you think that they're basically like, you know, we're telling our story, or emotionally, this is going to be a version of, we're kind of sang goodbye to this kind of version of this world in spider-man, because I'm assuming a lot of surprises, Tom Holland comes back for another two films, and this might be kind of like a launch pad to be like, okay, next time you see spider-man, X-Men are going to be popping up. There's going to be a different type of Avengers. Spider-Man

might be leaving adventures. I mean, I mean, do I have this film? There's always been another

heavy hit or what? There's always been an Iron Man. There's always been a Nick Fury. There's always been the other two Spider-Man, Dr. Strange. This one's got a hole in Punisher. They're always going to surround Spider-Man with talent. If he's one thing ever, he'll run James. We're going to put it going way next to you. We're going to put an AD next to you. We're going to put a little connect to you. You always got somebody. So in this new iteration of Spider-Man, post Deumsday,

post Dick awards, he's going to be out there swinging with a five-star and iceman. But this is the first time that he's to me doesn't have someone slightly eclipsing him. Yeah, right? And you could maybe say that in, you could maybe say the second when he far from home. Yeah, far from home. He did. But this Nick Fury, not the same. Mysterio, not the same. Maybe from an actor standpoint, you could argue that Jake Jillon Hall takes up like a large portion of the culture of a movie.

Yeah. But not really. In this one, though, these guys are co-star Spider-Man. Yeah. Like they are. Like Andrew Garfield, Toby McGuire, that was, there was a lot, a lot of curiosity there.

that was a tandem, an ensemble type of deal. These guys in this movie feel like legitimate

co-star, Spider-Man, Hulk in the MCU has always been a co-star, right? Besides the one movie

that he got, after that, they made Hulk a bench player. Well, that's not, it's right. You know the right. I understand that. This is, this is not him before it was, I would argue that Spider-Man was Kyrie. And that they brought in the LeBron James. I would say that the other big bro one. Yeah. Yeah. But now, this is clearly, he's got a Kyrie and a Kevin Love. I mean, if we can really, like Iron Man is the LeBron of, I mean, of damn seal. Certainly. Yeah.

So that they, we, you know, we drafted Spider-Man, like the first with Kyrie to much basketball guys,

“let's move on. Wait, so before we get off Hulk though, I think this movie, it seems like we're”

doing Savage Hulk. It seems like the final showdown is going to be between Peter, because that's

always been a big thing in the comics. I think if the Hulk versus thing is the big rivalry,

it's Wolverine and Hulk and then the third one is Spider-Man and Hulk. I'm wondering after Captain America, yeah, we do, do they need to redeem the Hulk? Like, like in terms of like a third act extravagant, and the Hulk gets pieced up by Spider-Man and Punisher, do we start having conversations? No, we've been having the conversation. The Hulk's have always been getting fucked over in the MCU and it sucks. I would, I would hate for that to be like the main showdown,

especially knowing that like the finale of Captain America, regardless of whether or not you liked it, ends with a Hulk fight. I don't really want this to end with a Hulk fight. It, I mean, in the trailer, they already have motherfuckers, minds getting control, turning evil, it's not

“to be the third act. I think it'll be more akin to the fight and age of Ultron, like the end of”

the second act, team up where it's Iron Man in the Hulkbuster versus the Hulk. I don't think

though, I don't know if that's, he's like, not the main villain, but like the big bad at the end, but they were like, he's got it, but you're going to put the Hulk in the movie. He got to fight the Hulk. Now, I need to see Spider-Man put some work in, right? Yes. If it's just Spider-Man, be it, and the Hulk fighting, you know, whoever, it goes however, goes cool, but if Hulk loose the Spider-Man and Punisher, man, well, that's nasty. So, a couple of things here. Number one,

Mr. Negative is in the movie. And so, we have to see how Mr. Negative takes up space in the film as a big bad, seems like he's going to be a pretty cool big bad, right? So, with Mr. Negative is in the movie. But the Hulk is interestingly, in my opinion, in a similar situation to what Spider-Man is in the MCU. There's not another character in the MCU to me that is as poised for new beginning as is the Hulk. Yes. Because we haven't seen a version of the Hulk in the MCU quite yet

that reminds us or seems familiar to us to the Hulk that we know from the lore that he inhabits in the comics. When I say the original Avengers didn't have that type of just like, brew force, force of nature thing, and then after those films, they kind of just made it. That's the closest that we've got. I feel like the Josh Weeder ones. Yeah. That's the closest that we've gotten. But when I'm talking about more so is, and the Hulk's movie, his movie, that with this a

little bit. When I'm talking about more is the dramatic nature of the power of the Hulk, right? That is this legitimate, you know, not to be two on the nose. But a legitimate world breaker, like a world breaker, Hulk, a Hulk that is multinational planetary threat that also is trying to figure out how to do good without breaking the whole thing. Yeah. That still can be explored much much deeper in the MCU. And I imagine that if there's a future for the character in the MCU,

then that they'll kind of do that. Also, I don't know if you guys noticed, but he's got that thing on his arm. Shut up, she hoped, man. She hoped confirmed. MCU can and man, we made it. It's here. You got it. She hoped because then you won't be in do wait.

“Essential viewing. I think there's some controversy over that. I don't know if she's trying to”

come back. I think she said fuck. I thought that that was a joke. That definitely was a joke. I think you was a joke. I thought Miss Lonnie was was down. Because I'm coming back. From the what you recall, I remember from the, um, the art, the concept art that leaked. Yeah, that was a bunch of season. There might be like a Hulk world type shit. I also the thing that, and we've talked about it a lot. To me, what this movie might be doing also is when I watched this

trailer, I was almost like, oh, this is Daniel Craig Bond. This is like they're going to run this into the ground. I'm not in a bad way, just because I'm like Tom Holland now is the Spider-Man

where else does this character have to go? And I'm just like, well, once you introduce Miles Morales,

“can we get Tom Holland to a place? And I think the funny thing is, that's the existential”

question about his career. Can we get this character, uh, this actor to a place where he feels like a leading man and not like a boy. And that's nothing against his skill or whatever. It's just, it's the same thing that Daniel Radcliffe had with Harry Potter. Well, I'll be honest with you. A lot of our perception of Tom Holland comes from the way he is perceived as Spider-Man. Yes. And so new Spider-Man might directly correlate to new Tom Holland. And he's, it's a big

year for him. Right. He's got the Odyssey coming out. Yeah. So like that. He is kind of my dad, my dad, and that. But like, uh, it's a, it's a, it's a, I mean, you guys have read the Odyssey, right? Yeah. Right. Then you then you know that like that character this trying me aged him up a little bit. I was like, oh, like, I think he's gotten better as an actor when I was watching this trailer. I was like, oh, okay. They're shades here. You're doing a little bit more.

“It, I mean, he's always been a phenomenal performer. I think that's the thing. I think he's done”

in that movie in this franchise essay in Spider-Man exactly what they asked him to exactly.

He's always been a phenomenal performer. And I like the idea of him going through more emotional

angst dealing with the loss of on May, dealing with the loss of his friends and also dealing with gaining new powers on a new perspective. This seems like a elevated grown-up Spider-Man. I was so fucking excited, bro. I was so excited. The plug has been a problem. I've never not liked these movies, but the one thing that's always stopped me from really fully investing into him is that never really felt like the Spider-Man that I was used to seeing.

This totally does. I think, I mean, I want to go back for a quick second, because I agree with you. And I think it's not a Spider-Man story. If you don't end up sad or lose something.

Yeah. It's always got to be a bummer. I want to go back to what you're saying is like,

“Tom Holland has like the son that this new trilogy can can orbit around. I think that what we're”

missing, and I'm a thing for DC and for Marvel right now, they're trying it was Superman. They need somebody to overdo it. Like you need it was Iron Man forever, Tilt them off, and they couldn't find the juice again. Right? We thought that it would be Dr. Strange, Black Panther and Captain Marvel and Spider-Man would be the people that were rally around it for reasons out of, you know, it just didn't happen. Right? It didn't work.

And so now, if you bring Tom Holland back for a second one and the third one of his movies, and you find the Spider-Man, he becomes the guy. Then can you reorient a universe where Tom Holland Spider-Man is the new Iron Man? I think that's possible. I think what where they're actually going is like in the comics, a writer called Brian Michael Bendis, revolutionized the Avengers.

The Avengers were never like a cool group. This is a very new type of thing. And one of the

things that he did is he broke a car in a rule, which was, we're going to put our two biggest heroes on this team, which was Spider-Man Wolverine. And to your point, I wouldn't be surprised if I guess like, okay, not only do we need to find a focal point for the Avengers, we need like, I want to be surprised if whoever becomes a new Wolverine isn't just playing on the X-Men. I want to be surprised if Wolverine, they don't pop into the Avengers movies and be like,

okay, you are a new cap in Iron Man. You are the two big heroes, because if we're being honest, Spider-Man and Wolverine are bigger characters than Captain Iron Man. They are. And that's where I think the Avengers movies kind of have to go, which is just like, okay, Tom Holland, you are Robert Downey Jr. Now, not set, but yeah, in terms of the place in the universe, man. I think that I have a group with you. And I think the half that I agree with you is,

I think you're 100% right. I think you're 100% right about Spider-Man and Wolverine's place in the Avengers lore moving forward. I think that's an awesome idea and something I hadn't thought about and something that they probably will do. I don't know if the character of Spider-Man can have a cinematic universe oriented around him. Because the character of Spider-Man is the character of Spider-Man is at its best a street-level plus character. When you see Spider-Man

in these other comic books, he's a part of the thing that kind of brings you like Spider-Man

this stuff, but these really big cinematic things where these even really big comic book runs,

the character of Spider-Man has never really been a team. You need somebody else to kind of be

the team leader focal point to the spear and you need Spider-Man to bring a different type of drama and hero energy to it. Who's that character now now that they're probably thinking we can recast Captain America but they're probably in the back of their heads already being like we know that the audience may never think of this person in the same way they think of Chris Evans and they might be like the future of the MCU they might be like we're kind of done with Captain America

movies we're done with our new movies we might just be doing Avengers Spider-Man X-Men properties and I'm just like can you have an Avengers that is not buoy by three Captain America movies, three Iron Man movies that kind of do a lot of the emotional characterization heavy lift deck.

“I think that's a big reorientation around what we've been used to and I think that's probably”

actually what that really needs because not sitting on the laurels of heroes of the past and actually moving on to something that probably is an unconventional choice to anchor those stories because yes we do love the character of Wolverine and we've loved him because of the Hugh Jackman portrayals and everything that he's meant and the cartoons and things that we've grown up in the 90s but I think that that can easily be carried around a different rendition of that character

after a secret war has happened. I mean the math suggests that the audience just really don't want to see you know movies unless it's the big the big dollar people right you know I mean and so I think in the new era of superhero movie making yeah you're going to get into Avengers of a couple years you're going to Spider-Man every couple years go to X-Men every couple years

“and they'll hopefully do a better job of putting like you know the Hulk's and the Punisher's”

and all those people in and around those movies so when you come into the next Avengers you come into the next Spider-Man you're not like wait where's that guy been for three years or where's this character been forever I just thought of this do you think a way to introduce a new

Captain America is like let's say they're like you know what we've never had a Captain American

of Wolverine movie we know that these two are running around world war two together do you almost make Captain America the sidekick for a bit where it's like he's not carrying the movie it's like oh we're doing a world war two version of this interesting stuff going on you're bringing today we're two Wolverine meets Captain America this is what happens when I like it it's huge eyes like hey hey we got you it's a very interesting right there that's very interesting

“I think that's a fantastic idea right there I remember you from fucking Germany Rary I saw”

you cutting somebody up and I didn't know what the fuck was going on actually he wouldn't have had

the closet I want you guys to think story for a second right okay so let's think about two

focal points and two different universes and how their stories actually not how they converge but how their stories were propulsive in those universe okay so the first one we'll do is Hugh Jackman's Wolverine right Hugh Jackson who Jackman's Wolverine was a mutant outcast we meet him a mutant that had these fantastic powers that were you know in the wilderness somewhere away from what we would consider to be the bourgeoisie mutant class of Professor Xavier

that clash the outcast of being a mutant being on the road being experimented on by human beings you got the the fucking the cause have you have you know striker and all that stuff you have weapon X the tension there was can this guy who is representative of mutant history profess trust Xavier and the X-Men enough to be a part of what it is that they're doing and through that narrative we came to learn about Xavier and what they were doing

we came to love Wolverine and we came to be deeper more deeper immersed into that world Wolverine's character was had specific utility right because he's watching the fight do I get into the fight do I invest into the fight do I become a part of the fight do I fuck the fight like with with Jane Gray all of that stuff but that character that was that character being our entry into that it worked story wise right the same is true with Iron Man

Iron Man is a man like he's a man that decided to change his life and take on the mantle

and he was able to get a cap to a degree for Hulk and all of these people to rally around

“his genius in in in game they have to go in order for this to work they have to go talk to him”

yeah to get him back into the fight they have to make him do the same thing that he really did in Iron Man one and Iron Man one Tony decides to forgo the life that he is leading to take on this gigantic gigantic project of heroism he has to make that decision he has to do it again in in game that character was propelled for by using what that character is for story and also the performance of Robert Downey Jr. which was once in a generation right what I'm saying now is

part of this is going to be the biggest character be it spider man be Wolverine be it whomever

but part of it is going to be how authentically you can believe that whoever they decide to orient this universe around that their individual journey whatever their individual journey is worth it that their individual journey to be a part of something bigger than them because they've been an outcast for 200 some odd years the individual journey to cast off the grotesqueries of their lineage their father being a arms dealer and all the hurt and harm their addiction to

alcohol their self-centeredness to get to that sacrifice at the end whether or not that character is built for that that is something that like I am singularly interested in which story if it's black panther if it's Wolverine if it's spider man which story can the MCU or

“and it's like what is the new MCU? I had an idea based on what you were just saying which I think”

the meta context that could help the MCU forward is the one the one thing I feel like the X-Men

films and the Fox era never got to do contractually is was really interesting about X-Men comics

isn't just that humans hate them it's that for years the Avengers weren't fucking with them none of the other heroes they were freaks to everyone and to me I think there's a generational question that the MCU going forward can have where it's like we're gonna get a new black panther the failures of the older generation have left Peter Parker in this position and I think similarly for the X-Men it's like I kind of want to see an MCU where the Avengers are the

decades where it's like oh maybe they aren't the leaders maybe the reason that we're rooting for the X-Men is it's not just that humans hate them like in the Fox universe it's that they're actual outcasts in the MCU you continue to cook if if if if we get we have spider man as an orphan in between a potential Avengers versus X-Men's situation which is secret wars where they might end up going yeah Avengers the Avengers versus X-Men's situation seems like somewhere that

that could be really really interesting right I mean this is actually I can't believe we're just not thinking about this this movie comes out and then we're getting doomsday and then we're getting secret wars the sequel you gonna have you gonna have some be on the sequel yeah yeah you

“you don't get some be on the sequel because we've seen a little no we did we did well I think”

that I don't think that's the symbiote I think that is manspider no I know I know but we haven't we didn't see we saw the the group okay the group in I know what you're talking about in the end credits of the last venom movie where he's talking to the homie from um tell us oh yeah oh right and then he comes back at the end of no way home right but and then the venom but the venom is left there yeah I mean it could still be there but I think they're saving

that for posting awards yeah that's up in the air it's a it's a post credit I mean I would this is just me being a nerd you know fucking Tom Holland is gonna have to face off against Robert Downey Jr. Doom you'll give my man a flex yeah you know like that's crazy this is Come on bro you know it's funny that'd be so great Doom is an interesting thought here as well I'm so okay it's not gonna last there'll be fairies Doom but Doom as a character that the anti-hero

nature of Doom is an interesting thing for this entire deal to play with right there's just so much when you bring in the X man to a world bro we just been the net we there's just so much

yeah they did the y'all thought professor X was going to be the leader of these X man now you know what's again though before we move on before Charles it's just a Doom trailer think about and we've had these conversations about trailers that were cool and trailers then sort of let us know think about what a good trailer does and especially what this trailer had to do this might have been the most high leverage trailer in the history of the MC and they landed

I mean I'm really landed up until today until it until it til's do is they start

“right now history of the MC right now right now right now I think you already said this now”

it's so simple they landed the plane emotionally where it's like you could have all these characters all these chemicals all these easter eggs but if I don't give a fuck about this story what they going through and I thought for time all it I thought for Peter Parker I was like fuck this frozen day it was a good two man when he saw them day it with with her with her new boo he was like this stuff that would be really tough that would be really tough but also you know we didn't

even actually break up but you know what you know what I would feel like though I would feel like I had like an upper hand cuz like she already been fucking with me yeah she don't know you the old yeah but yeah but yeah I'm very wife that's all I'm gonna get to know me though when she gets to know me though nigga it's been four years it don't talk man all right Doom

“all right Doom part three directed by Denny Villanoov written by Villanoov and Brian K. Vaughn”

the new trailer features our first look at Robert Pattinson playing how do I pronounce this

guy tell I guess a lot of people there's there's a lot of consternation and talk on the internet on the right way to what what's your pronunciation some say sky telly sky telly yeah yeah but you know something I mean look I'm telling you said there's people as a guy the people are saying it's the way but Villanoov before he talked about the trailer when they were doing a premiere he said it will be a Doom movie but with a different tone a different rhythm

any different pace the first movie was more a contemplation of a of a boy exploring a new world and the second was a war movie this one is a thriller it's more action pack and more dense more muscular then you have a very complicated relationship the Doom universe how's it complicated huh how's that like you know I love doing don't you love Doom but we've gone through is this a white savior movie is it the look it like once again that's up to the movie to do

I look after I look you know I've talked to do being a white savior movie to me is it always

enrages people when we talk about that that's like a throwaway notion to me it doesn't really matter that much it's just something that I notice I want people to understand something 45 years on earth being black I notice it doesn't matter where I go I go to the I go some place and I've been sitting down for seven minutes they walk past me I just notice I don't even trip I just notice and when the person comes over to take my order I go thank you for thank you for

including this all right this is what you don't say I just notice it doesn't man doesn't mean I'm I'm to the point now I'm not going to let that roll in my meal but I notice a lot of people have said us are looking at that and doing too was we didn't get it and you're right we didn't because it looked like to me that they was fucking with it it looked like everybody was fucking with it everybody was happy he looked cool as shit when he was up there doing the things I don't

didn't see it maybe if maybe if somebody would have had to die for it right if somebody would have came up to him and then like we and he would have cut their fucking head off I'd have been like this name is going too far but it's gotta go but it looked like to me it looked like to me everyone was cool he looks super cool that he wins the fight he gets the girl two girls it kicks the black girl look to me it looked like he was still pretty good we go back to this

a yo still boot up in the tent yes it looked like it was once again look like it worked out now you're working there it's like they talked it out in this situation he wages a galactic

hot that kills around 60 billion people right so you know that right you know that like he kills 60

billion people that didn't happen in doing too so everybody that got all of that dander up and was like you guys don't understand it you can't see what he's becoming not really but but but you know that movie I don't feel like that movie gave that to us but you already had a

“conversation I believe on higher learning with with Sean and Amanda about to me obviously to me”

lost to uh to Michael B. Jordan congrats to Michael B. King of Hollywood yes go I actually think

movie the villain is back I'm like yo he's the most hated I'm like C'mon bro come on this door to feel it and this is the narrative bro this is how you weave the narrative come December man movie come out you to man and guess what you don't want to take your foot off the pedal which you like I learned my lesson right now I'm chilling I am making a prediction right now lock it in to meet that Timothy Shalame will win the best actor Academy Award for this

ring all right I don't know I don't know this is big you next year it's really it's it's it not only drop it surprise you a lock it's okay nominated he will get best move dominate for best

“movie I don't know let me tell you why I think this will happen number one over the course”

of the next X amount of months people will start to regret the way that they reacted 200 Timothy Shalame in the whole Mars Supreme room is it's just the balla shit or you just talking about like the entire team we'll start to say hey it was a little bit too much on it right number two I think Timothy Shalame will react to the way that he acted and the way that he was perceived during this time number three this is a big movie star deal a deep deep deep

production that will show Timothy Shalame as a badass that will show to Timothy Shalame as someone who is questioning his place legitimately very few roles come at this time for an actor right where we're questioning how big of a movie star they are we're questioning the nature of the person which is essentially what this role is yeah no exactly what this role is this role is this role is Paul going you know well if that makes me a villain I guess I guess I'm a villain

but I'm doing this for the right reasons I want to legitimately be great but look at all of the carnage that I'm calling everyone around me look at the people in this particular movie that are conspiring against me yeah well she's gonna have people conspiring against him from the being a Jesuit from the fucking spacebarion guild Patence from everyone like this is legitimately his shining moment and it's coming out in December the movie will come out in December

and shorten the length of time that he can fuck them yes so you don't need to do no mighty supreme from because this is the big the bell you know the big police don't wrap we don't that'll be the she's like oh go watch bardy supreme don't you know jackets is doing brother you don't have to go crazy watching this I was and I love these movies I'm not sharing on them but to me this is almost this might be the Star Wars prequels done right

“or I think the the issue with the Star Wars prequels and Hayden is that Hayden had this massive”

this massive kind of toll or like weight on his shoulders so the delucus is we were introduced to

Darth Vader first so it's just like almost that evolution can never really live up to what we've

already seen before versus with doom which obviously doing influence Star Wars when I was watching this I'm like oh we are tracking Timothy go from the hero to the villain in three tight movies also as that actor is ascending and I was just like what I was watching this I'm like I'm interested in if he can pull this off can he pull off the evil tyrant genocidal maniac that he becomes because there were parts of the trailer was like oh interesting and then

there were parts of the trailer was like okay good as I have to see the whole movie I was I'm interested in in the pen because there's the bit in the trailer where Timmy is starting to his mom and he's like how to father do it she's like he never you father never she that was the boy that was like oh that was at first it seems like Conno Sarkasik like yeah you

father never did this but you think about it for a second it's like wait where are you the

person who made him drink the blue juice yeah you know like she's put all this emotion like you do this is and so now your brains are spinning like oh man Timmy he found for his life in this movie he got to come in from all sides like it's when I can't wait I can't wait that like little scene alone got my will spinning enough to where I like yeah send me the theater I need to see this

“movie right now are you psyched about the fact that Brian K. Vaughn is on this script so that's what”

I did want to talk about that I find it interesting for a couple reasons Brian K. Vaughn is one of my favorite uh compil writers on runaways why the last man ex machina saga saga just um I think he's

writing the gun to movie too yeah incredible writer what I think is interesting about villain who

adapt because it was for sure and to bring in someone like Brian K. Vaughn I associate that comic book

“writer with characterization and emotion and just like that depth of real because I think villain”

who is great at like structure and all of these other things but for this movie to land I don't actually think it needs to be a one to one of the book I think that they need to emotionally land Timmy and his journey yes that is also very true and it's the fact that now we're at this part in the dune books this is where dune gets really fucking weird yeah I mean it gets much weirder much weirder but like as as Paul's journey begins to end this is where things get really not off the rails

but like you get to see the broader galaxy of what this world in dune is about and Vaughn is very very good at like particularly with the work that he did in saga where these all of these fantastic

moments that have brought together that all made are to feel real yeah Vaughn has done an amazing

job with doing those things and to know that we could get the space fairing guild and I don't know if he'll tease Paul's son at all but there's a couple of kids that are listed in terms of like

“I think you might be even Jason Memorial son that's listed in the movie as um they might be”

in it I think they brought him in because they're not really adapting it they could be changing I think I think very I think this is I think the adoption of dune Messiah that you'll get is closer to the adoption that you got in one battle after another of violence that's fair because I think that if you guys ever read violent um which I had to do for the the subject that I wrote it's brilliant um yeah like like I haven't written in a couple of weeks busy um but but I think

that this adoption of dune Messiah will be closer to that and that it'll be inspired by with major story beats from but they'll figure out a different way out of this because this is the end yeah they'll figure out a different way out of this then what happens in dune Messiah when he's dune Messiah is it's essentially a new beginning uh to everything that you're telling me that I got to turn let oh two into a giant space well that doesn't have genuinely not

“ruling that out though I mean that looking towards the future of it but I think the reason why”

bomb was brought in was because if you listen to what he's saying I think they're doing something that's going to be a little bit different yeah and it's controversial I don't know I don't know that it'll be controversial I would you guys are dune yeah doing book I don't it's just a bit of how closely connected are you to the lore of dune right to where you want to see because you know we we should talk about it for a very Herbert and dune is it up

at the end of it like just like legitimately running out of gas yeah legitimately saying to everyone I don't really know I didn't really know how to finish this you know he he had some personal tragedy that happened to him it's a very interesting story his story is almost worth doing a movie about him oh yeah and so there is some there there's some stuff that happens to where to in the dune books to where later on you wondering if it makes you wonder if there was

just catharsis there and writing these characters and visiting them as he was going through some really profound things personally that were happening to him the movie can't be concerned with that no the movie has to tie up all of these characters and get people out of this and there's a lot of work to be done to make this one of the defining sci-fi trilogies and movie history I don't think that villain of is going to lose side of the ball with all of that I think it's more so he was flirting

with a lot of newer weird things in dune too we had like talking baby we had those visions we had a pretty major departure at the end when Johnny didn't join Paul at the end when she went off on her own that is not in the books that is not how that that's supposed to end she usually

just became his conki buying and was like pals basically with Lawrence Hughes character and that

there was also gigantic like the baby talks but like not as much no not nearly again and in in dune the book it is it's like full on but it is the younger sister that kills harking it right so that there are some gigantic departures yeah one thing here is it looks as if in this trailer either that's a flashback or it's all good Johnny's character looks like her and Paul are talking

and then it's all gravy and they come back together a lot of people are going to wonder what the fuck is going on we don't really know the context of that scene we don't know what the other thing could be a dream could be like actually some sort of flashback yeah we don't know what

“happened to get them back we're not sure I think there's actually a huge divide online about what's”

happening and there's a seven year jump 17 years from end of dune part two to part three because I usually enjoy is his sister and she's like she's going up so there's definitely a flash forward but we'll see in the book we don't really see the big war right like it goes to Messiah they're like aimed that was yeah wow and then you deal with the aftermath there so when they say like this there's action is going to be crazy we see part of that little galactic jica but I think he said

that this one is more of a thriller technically the second one was the war movie so is this

if it's keeping with the book being like no this is people and obviously we're going to get action it's going to but like this is people in rooms really trying to take it sounds like a political thriller where they're trying to take down like he's he's done the thing in the aftermath taking over the world it's me I'm the king now and I prefer like he kind of he keys he's running for every this kind of got to get we got him but he said it was very muscular though true yeah so I'm wondering

how you I expect there to be a lot of action like a lot of things gonna be some action so let's say Denny lands the plane what conversation are we having in terms of like fandom trilogy so it's gonna be a comfort bar wars dark night like where does this rank if you're like

“it even if this isn't as good I think Doom 2 is the one they have to get over let's say it's”

just as good as Doom 1 is it all time or now top 10 yeah top 10 he's so easily it's not there's not there's not as much competition there as you paint it there it's not it's like the order

of the rings to me the first all well again we don't talk about enough but like I really rank

the circus is planned at the apes trilogy quite high I get the fuck out of here I do too I think I think about it yeah but like in retrospect I think matrix trilogy I rank up there I think matrix trilogy loaded is yeah and I think the final movie isn't as bad as me overhaided you know I feel I think it's tough self for a lot sure it's it asks that movie asks a lot yeah tough self for a lot you know I feel but also how many times in a trilogy

is the first movie not only the best in a trilogy but is like a generation but I can say

“make sure it's not like literally changed film yeah in general I mean if you want to like”

elevate if you want to just take the matrix and be like the matrix is up here and then reloaded is here and then then like I can kind of get that but saying that the third one is overhaided I can't fly that shit but you buddy I can't get on that boat with you sorry you don't know Bob it is I'm sorry it is what it is um the capture trilogy if I mean yeah the capture trilogy yeah it's talking about fantasy though it's talking about fantasy though you it's not there not as many

genre defining true movie trilogies as you think that there are and don't be right up here yeah I don't think it's going to get to I don't think it's going to I think there's anything that this movie could do to for doing to get to the level of the first or star wars movies and some part of that is just like nostalgia right yeah right at it's just time will make that well yeah like you you launch a whole world you law everybody knows made a force be with you everyone knows like there's

just a cultural penetration that exists from the wind that came in and the point in movie making that we were at but what happens when the movie comes out and it's the best movie ever and it goes on if it be doing to no well no no no what if it goes on and it's the Oscars and it's just like a lot of the rings full sweet turn into king and it's just after that's gonna happen you don't say but let's say it does then we do have to start having like real uncomfortable

conversation I already did people don't get mad at me already off the first of movies I like these movies more than I wore the rings if I'll go be real I mean you okay but also you

never really fucked the stories that much that's not close to me oh yeah you don't like well

like you're doing fucking over you don't you don't you don't have more of the rings like like you're not you're not I'm not look I get it I'm not all returning to king like that that's a real shame that's a real shame I don't like that shit that much it is what it is like you guys can I have my corner of skepticism I like everything yeah like I like everything I never fuck with it that much it it is it is good it was really my time it's good it is good

it is good I mean the first of movies now I'm like it don't three legs it I'm like it's better

the awards man yeah I'm going crazy bro I'm sorry the streets are going crazy for we're talking about 30 minutes at the end going is it time to go yeah well I like I don't

“give me I'm not you guys you know I'm just telling you that for whatever I remember going to”

fellowship with the ring right we all went bad and Rouge that's a good stuff you had to not like yeah yeah yeah I went I went and saw the movie and came away like that was good that was good not everybody was like that changed life everybody was like that is the fucking best

thing that never come I was like for real that would be changed lives yeah I'm a watch that

bitch again you know let's run it back I'm a watch that bitch again because maybe I wasn't in what are you all waiting for in this Christmas you have seen let's just do that like every other wife and you know doesn't watch that every Christmas I don't yeah I don't know people do it for things given they uh fellowship Christmas hours yeah return to the candy that's some wow that's great but okay so back to the trailer itself I this trailer it's interesting to get

this trailer in a Spider-Man trailer out around the same time uh this trailer has so many questions in it and this is also very grown up sci-fi yeah this is turn your brain a little I watch the trailer like 10 times right to make sure I didn't miss anything I saw kind of everything that was in there I was on top of where the lore would go and what the movie was asking of me is there anything in the trailer specifically that you guys did not understand that you guys are like I don't get what's

“happening here especially you know yeah no I think it was not I wouldn't say that it's like”

bold of them to show that Dunkin Idaho's back I think it's also to be more of like leaving the unknown viewers with the question of why is Dunkin back didn't he definitively die

in that first movie and like again that's a major part of the lore it's a major part of the lore

and that's a big thing to explain in that movie and I was like oh wow they they would show that they would like ultimately know like the confidence to be like yeah we're gonna accurately explain why Dunkin's back and we're in for being honest I think doom is one of the number one movies after you rush those two movies were even like hey fucking I'm rolling up the Wikipedia yeah I'm really like I'm not like this is spoilers but yeah Dunkin is back I'm no I don't know how I know the things what I'm

like game cause back there's there's a lot of games yeah my question was where so I was rolling it I mean he's there at the end of the second movie and then I'm looking at the cast list it's really going to work on it really is it's going to was really with them all

name man and she's been out there and she came out um Rebecca uh Rebecca first

came out was like I'm barely in a movie I was there for like two days like saying the whole thing she might be lying right but she said that there's no Josh Rollins not on the the cast list at the end of the trailer I'm like okay what's what's going on you know what I need I need Robert Pattinson oh man I do it man he got this I love it I love it you know like it fucking terrible man this is he's going to put on a crazy voice choice he's going to look like a weirdo and I'm loving it

“also his character is very key we're not going to get to a ton of books for this but his”

character is very key to explaining why Dunkin is back yeah so the whole is this year because I felt this way at the Oscars especially wouldn't it be Jordan one where I was just like oh it seems like we've kind of just we are settled on the new generation of movie stars and this year watching these two trailers back to back I was like okay you have Tom Holland you have Robert Pattinson you have Timmy you have Zane what the Odyssey there's just so much crossover where it's like

I can't really remember another year like this we're so much of it depends on a new generation of stars yeah really getting people out to the movie theater and I got excited watching me I was like oh fucking shit all of these people the future is here now or Max I was thinking the same thing it's like this is a crazy year for Zane if you can keep like the bride the uh the drama drama you mean the drama the drama the Odyssey Spider-Man she's at Euphoria she's everywhere Tom Holland's

got Spider-Man and uh the Odyssey coming out within like two years and all these Rob Pattinson's all these movies like and Timmy's got doing later like we're in a new era of of movie stars now and can they carry it can they bring it home we look we look back in December and these movies

have to move on this is this is low leverage for them now a thing so the drama is a movie that I'm

“more interested to see how people respond to it right true because the drama is a movie that”

would have to be propelled by the performances and the star power of the two leads right looks like it's a very interesting uh premise yeah I don't understand why some people are spoiling the premise for people I saw it's a drama yeah I saw a tweet not gonna talk about the the person we have a guy's well for you they spoiled it oh I didn't get spoiled what they spoiled what what the whole thing supposed it they spoiled it which I don't know if that even makes a difference

sure it it it might but when I look at a movie like the drama they're a movie star movies

and then there are movies for movie stars sure so let's tell you what I mean by that the reason why

big budget movies um the reason why stars to me are land-based it for big budget movies that don't do well is because people blame the star because the movie didn't do well yeah giving an example like John Carter from Mars right or a different one the lone Ranger the lone Ranger with Army Hammer and and Johnny that controversial casting the the the reason why people were so hung up on that movie is because you're supposed to go see a lone Ranger movie yeah the lone Ranger comes out

it's this character that everybody at least knows a little bit I could argue that the lone Ranger at that point was at the end of its cultural significance like it was like this is absolutely we might be the you guys might be the last generation who know who the lone Ranger is when I was growing up I named my horse silver right so he was still a thing that was on TV same thing with John Carter from Mars I knew what nothing about sci-fi and history of sci-fi that I saw that

movie in college and I was just like exactly I don't give a fuck about John right and so what happens is because those movies are such a big productions the star becomes the reason that the movie didn't do well yeah so you go it's not that the lone Ranger didn't work it's that Army Hammer as the lone Ranger didn't work because the lone Ranger is a known entity they put all this money behind this movie the star gets blamed but then there's a different type of movie there's

a different type of movie that you only go to see because the stars in the movie right the drama is kind of a movie like that the drama is a movie to where you're actually going to see this movie because of Robert Pattinson and Zindaya as much as we love Timothy Shalaman as much as we love Tom Holland they are not the reasons why you go to see Dune or brand new day. Dune is a gigantic expansive ensemble it's really a didn't movie more than it is anything else you so those films as

far as star making are kind of low leverage and they're both sequels how do you feel about the Odyssey and regards to that comes that's a no in situation right he's not so no in this star in in that situation it's no in like you Matt Damon comes out and Matt Damon's in that

“movie and you have to get somebody there who can match the the energy of Christopher Nolan and”

it get people out that's still if we went back to Oppenheimer we've made a billion dollars basically

right Killian Murphy is the star of Oppenheimer this is not a shot at all at Killian Murphy Killian Murphy is somebody that everyone knows and he worked his way up to be the Hollywood leading man in that type of situation but the reality of that is that Nolan's Oppenheimer is why people went to go see the movie. I have a question sweet we talk about we've spent a lot of Tom not being baby the nicest to Tom Holland regardless to like his acting twice as outside of

Spiderman right in this particular conversation if he shows us something in the Odyssey that we haven't seen in his previous performances will we have like we have to re-constitute how we think about Tom Holland going forward outside Spiderman as an actor. I think maybe it's a more

“sort of fans point I think we need to see him in something higher leverage like the drama like”

something that like he can sell on his own or something that's a bit more of an intimate display of his talents let me humble myself I don't need to see him in shit Tom Holland is a dead ass nice performer who is a great actor a great dancer all of that stuff. I don't need needing to see him in something is I understand what you mean but like but needing to see him with something is that's a lot of dip on the chip right what I'm saying is for some reason I'm making an

observation for some reason audiences haven't responded to Tom Holland in as robust away outside of Spiderman then they have inside of Spiderman there could be myriad reasons for that

things that happen there are a lot of reasons why audiences don't respond to what yeah he's not a

better performer so so that's different what I am interested in with the Spiderman trailer is that he gets an opportunity to embody that character that might make audience respond to that character and then him in a different way where he's not where he hasn't actually eclipsed in all of the other ways that he has yeah so it's it's not so much to me about because we talk we have this conversation all the time about you know whether or not people can carry these movies

people can only carry these films where audiences will go with them and for for whatever reason and if we configure this out on this podcast then everybody in this town will be calling us to ask is what this secret sauce is for whatever reason audiences like certain people yeah they do they like certain women they like certain men they get comforted when they see a face on a poster they know i'm here for a good time it bill Murray when bill Murray is in something you go oh shit

i'm about to ask some fun it's going to be interesting he is a trusted face and that takes a little word to get there and you don't really this is what it is the reason why they call it it's because

“nobody knows what it is you don't know who has that and who does it but also i think to me Tom”

Holland and said day uh Michael B. Jordan are actually very similar in the fact that like robber pants and people forget people like robber pants and he's in all these movies i was like yo there was a long time after twilight where he was doing weird ask fucking shit movies that didn't make any fucking money and the thing that you were investing in with robber pants is like how weird is he going to get and sooner or later basically kept working with the directors making those weird movies

and then they became the next generation and now we get robber pants in yeah that was so smart i can't think if anyone who's done anything smarter what he did like look man what robber pants and did was brilliant yeah it is not discussed enough robber pants and went you know what people know me is being the cool brooding vampire from twilight those people who know me is that they will

never go anywhere yeah if i wanted to i could sign autographs as it would the vampire when i'm 70

years old yeah that's never going somewhere what i need to do though is make people take me seriously

“as a professional yeah good but i think what is interesting about Tom Holland or is in”

day or Michael B. Jordan you don't really hear those actors talking about the process of just like becoming a crazy person and like i'm not saying robber pants in is a method actor but i think that's the difference between like a movie star where it's like you're going to a zendaya movie to season day uh and we don't necessarily like the same day to me is kind of zendaya in a lot of in a lot of her movies in the same way that like Julia Roberts is Julia Roberts and a lot of movies

where you're just like they had the it factor where it's like they can change the character but i'm here because i want to stare at you on a screen for two hours and yeah i think that is a tablet any of itself it's just harder to talk man you know it's you know it's real about her i think she's one of the most interesting versatile young actresses that i've seen in a long time i'm not just not a disagreement i'm not disagreeing with i don't think she's a bad

“actress at all but i think she is legitimately and i'm interested in this like i'm interested in”

how this comes off like when zendaya was when zendaya was first doing the MJ character in uh in uh

i'm coming up with Spiderman homecoming it was a different take on the character she was brooding she was off-kilter she was eating around the edges of the character i was like whoah like i'm i'm i'm i look at i'm like oh like she and even the charisma and the vulnerability and which she played that character which is a classic teen character of there's something i was like there's something else there that's something interesting there and then when i saw her as

Johnny i was actually blown away because there was a seriousness to the character there was a directness to the character that completely corrected in every scene where she had to pause character yeah like an intensity to the movie that really came from her performance like i am and that's why i'm so interested in the drama i'm not disagreeing with you i'm just saying that i think that a lot of people feel the way that you feel but i do not feel that way i think that zendaya

is like i sometimes don't know how i put my finger on it i think zendaya is like she has as

ever seen at this point in their career like legitimately i'm not sure there's something she can do like for example to me amazon is a is an actress where i'm not saying amazon is better than zendaya at all what i'm saying is to me she's closer to a robber patinson where part of the process is like how much is this person gonna transform how we're they gonna get where zendaya is

almost like her acting is by degrees which is just as hard where it's like she's not always making

wow choices right well let's look at the point in their careers that we're talking about right we we go back and we think about amazon amazon is actually i don't want to say this but amazon actually and zendaya kind of like the same person because when amazon gets on it's super bad right it's easy a it's showing that we can like really love her but like if you watch the scene and we did this on the rewatchables if you watch the scene and crazy stupid love where it's

amazon and Ryan Gosling and their spending is night together yeah she does this thing in the scene where she is uh she's resolute because she wants to have sex with this guy because her fiance just broke up with her it's actually never becomes her fiance or boyfriend just kind of spurns her but she's like vulnerable and she's cute but she is completely insane she does that for a while la la la la la la la la la and stretch the muscle a little bit yeah and that goes smoothly

“it's stuff like that yeah that's when she decides that she gets there i think that zendaya”

is legitimately this it's the same thing and we're getting to the point in her career now they're doing it's actually part of that we're getting to the point in her career now where she's doing that a little bit more i think the drama is a part of that i am so interested in that movie i almost want to cover it on the midnight boys i'm it's the most intriguing film for me i'm with in years and Robert got a lot of stuff that's coming out he's got a movie coming out with

Simon at the end of like like pretty so like i'm i don't want to go too far about like keeping praise but i'm saying like i think she's almost in the same situation yeah i'm sorry you said it's almost like she's at the point where it's like with the drama and stuff like that she gets to start pivoting where it's like we love her so much now just as a nation that it's like now you do the classic actor thing you make yourself ugly you become the villain of the movie

or you become someone that you're about it she kind of have been doing this right thing how did you feel about it and challenges how did you feel about it and you for you i'd like you

brand so to speak like there there was always like that like that finite career maintenance

that like a wheel smith would have had where like he doesn't get anything too risky or too against type four a wheel smith and that's not the the stars of today obviously the Robert Pattinson's of the world probably this in days of the world will be a bit more like you for you were crazy against type for it but but but but you to meet you told in the

“y'all remember that guy's gap but like you wanted to work with that actor oh she's like yeah”

yeah it's I watch that shit yeah like before it depends I can't look at that shit man it's tough yeah you look at the kids I just love who's sitting like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I was sitting on somebody that called that they hit me up and was like have you seen the show and Sidney Sweetie in the show she got the best titties I have ever seen before and I was like how was she supposed to be in the show yeah you look at people different when you

hear that it's bad news bears it's not bad news bears because I get it because you know you all know she all but I'm like looking at fucked up I don't know she was all she was all she was older than what she was supposed to play right but like you can't divorce yourself from what

the show is she always they shout out to shout out to you for you though for at least casting people

that looked like uh like kind of like they were in the age because I come from the era of for 30 year olds for 20 years it's about the company's 39 and you're like I'm in my two or

“like 39 on that big school of playing kids shout out to them anyway I think the big thing”

for the day is what happens after after 20 26 right after she's she's she's the star of the year right what happens after do if it pops off or don't like whatever what that what's her next thing you for years now right she might may come to a spot a man later but hey in the day you've got a whole world ahead of you you know I'm saying she happened I'm sure she's gonna get one right in her career she's a black lady you

never know how long they're gonna make her that like we talk about the this a different situation black men that have won best actor obviously there's not as many six six for black women that's a one-room house that's a one-room house that's actors that's one supporting

what are the young actresses that are on's in days love right now like I must don't to me so so so I feel like just a little a little ginger yeah slightly but close can open a movie as consistently as the day I mean it's just now a lot of people they're on her level period though yeah as well as like to be that young and that yeah Margaret obviously in a different age grade like a couple years old a Margarabi would be right there but even like there's not a lot

of women that maybe maybe maybe fours pu is near there but not quite maybe mate in the same in the same in the same strategy I would argue in the same like you know yeah they go up together I feel I see this in day and I see box office that's it you know and I mean just for whatever academy nomination I don't I don't think she must have

“been nominated for Oppenheimer right now I don't think so I think something what I might have”

been whatever it is but like what what I'm saying is like for his in days career right now I think if I was making a list I think's in days one of the top five to ten biggest stars on Hollywood right now I don't think that's it that's not even caught so so for her whatever she wants to do she can go and do it she's got two different tempo roles that all right there buoying her career like I said whenever the drama's dropping I know the premiere was recently was a movie come out

I think in April like late April did I see it the per why would they be per me in it now they premiered okay whatever it comes out people are gonna be like vans they do superstition movie

even over the movie drop it's a pack schedule first first of all Florence Pugh was nominated for

Best Supporting Actress in Little Woman in 2020. Thank you. Uh and so on movies coming out April 3rd

“2026 the drama. Oh yeah. Damn like that's very soon. Like I think it's good for me. No, no, don't”

ruin it for you. I'm not ruining it for myself. I don't know if it's about time that joint come out it's gonna be fought for you. But I should I should put on blast the count they did it but I'm not going to because he's in the same industry. When I was I was fucked up for the summer of midnight boys content because we got this day of movie we got Michael we got boosters we need a little corner where we could talk about you know black cinema black excellence. I'm I'm excited for boosters. Yeah,

I love boosters man, boosters right. I've not seen it yet. I've not seen it, booze Riley's a genius, booze, booze, let's take some of our booze Riley real quick. Booze Riley remains one of the

realist motherfuckers in the whole industry and I've never met booze Riley. I do not know booze

Riley. I've never I might know one or two people that also I think I might have met him one time but booze Riley remains to me not just rhetorically but creatively one of the most imaginative authentic like writer directors I've ever seen like I've ever seen the freedom in which he creates and also lives his life that is truly inspirational. I'm always excited for anything that he does he said I want it I'm a Virgo he said he wanted I'm a Virgo to go to the theaters without

the television show yeah so I didn't understand like what he what he meant by that maybe I have to read that I just read the headline I didn't read the article being hearing him talk is one of the most inspirational things also just hearing the way he move around he like fuck it right he like he he he puts out sorry to bother you he puts out these things they take you to this surrealist

like almost like like like Afro surrealist world right but like there's never any apology for

the artistic decisions what he says what the fuck he said it don't matter whether or not he if he's on his Twitter with it if he's writing it long form with it or if it's on the fucking screen and that's real creation that's real art so for him you know we'll just see like whether or not that the town tries to cut him off in his knees at some point now but who's doing this thing now we need

“that's what he's fantastic I bet on it and if it's not him alive oh yeah now we look now I'm not”

why I'm not gonna lie booze guys to see I need like I love that good guys got to win we need that kind of person on the wood so before we got it here I mean the two trailers we talked about of Spider-Man brand new day and doing three fellas when we look back just December 31st twenty twenty six which movie is gonna make the big impact I don't know I'm a little bit more excited for Spider-Man right now I'm excited for doing right now that's really got me hype

the doing trailer got me hyped I need to fire a man I Spider-Man trailer the doing trailer y'all know how I feel about doing the doing trailer got me hyped fuck this Spider-Man trailer just the Spider-Man trailer got me that's why I'm so happy that feels like they're making trailers bro the Spider-Man trailer got me the Spider-Man trailer the doing trailer made me excited for the

this bro the Spider-Man trailer made me believe again we're we're gonna have a conversation

“about who is going to move off the doing release date when I've got somebody I think it's”

cut somebody I don't think it's cut somebody I don't think they don't have any I'm actually they have to move do you have any no I'm not I'm not exclusive for like two or three weeks like doing it they they have to move yeah it has to move and it's got it's got to be wrong but we've gone January huh they're not gonna move the camera move up because I can't

remember the exact movie but uh there's moving to come out it's gonna be leading to something

else I'm ex exclusivity that's taking a camera back they can move back they can move they can move up or maybe they fuck I'm ex which would be really really interesting it's both insane do you

“think they are like oh we're pushing doom stay back to months oh dog if they push doom I don't”

think they don't even know you gotta but you gotta make that call now we can't be an August feel like it's gonna come out December they've done that with an Avengers movie before they moved it up a week they moved it up a week they moved and finish it up a week from May uh fourth or May 3rd to April 23rd I'm gonna be surprised at Doom's day guess it Doom's day they got to not stay on that release they don't need I thought that they would maybe they would stay

but when you look at the I'm ex situation there's no way but it's cool keep it in the oven for a little bit hey man had it as long as we get some real cinema it could come out

“whether see if I farms render a little bit you know what I'm saying I'm going to your point”

Doom's day move yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah spider-man looks good we're gonna have Doom that's a good girl we got all this shit have your own like yeah we don't got to go crazy with you know what I'm saying okay it's cool we'll see all right um that's it that's enough what what a good part we I'm glad that we were induced about these different trailers you know excited we didn't let a leg get to us what that's a crazy stuff she gave me the stuff

she had a bag like I was I got shot what what happened yeah some crazy stuff we didn't let a leg like not make us like want to be in to these different movies and stuff like that one of these days she's just gonna burst through this wall like the cool thing that's cool all like the cool that's this was back for I don't know if you can say that anger I don't know if you should put put put it in that light like she the this is wrong and you're gonna wrap up this

fucking crap okay we gotta go and we have Steve if Steve is ready all right um all right that's a wrap this week on the river's feet uh meni boys in a house of our covering Ryan got things latest project hill Mary yeah sir wait for that Tuesday night the meni boys return to give their instant

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