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“Maybe that's how we get you back on as I sent you my Spotify wrapped.”

And I was like, look at this. You did, I was in podcast. Can this be doctored? Is there like some sort of app that conductor your Spotify wrapped? But yeah, I was glad that somebody did because we made a nice little video.

I'm sure you did too. Made a nice little video for all the people who were on there. I'm glad to see. I'm glad to see. I'm glad I went out to somebody.

Yeah. Well, I appreciate it. I try to find a way to save it. But I think those things were just like a gift and then I was gone. Right.

All right. Bunch of things I want to run through here. I'm excited. I'm probably too excited.

“A simple question because I think it's a difficult answer.”

Would you be more surprised if a team from the East won the NBA championship or more surprise that a team from the West not name OKC or San Antonio represented the Western Conference just in the NBA finals? B, B.

Basically, the question is, you know, are Lakers or Denver?

Can they win the West? More is it more likely for the Lakers or Denver to win the West than it is for like the Celtics or the NICS to win the title? I think today you're asking me last night we just saw Boston beat OKC in a full strength on full strength game and, you know, I did not think it was a ridiculous game.

Like if Boston had made 24 of 39 threes that I'm like, well, okay, that's an outlier. But the way the game went down, which by the way, Boston fell down big early on, had to fight back. I mean, that could have been a finals game. That could have a finals game definitely could have played out that way.

So, yeah, if it's Boston, Oklahoma City, I'm picking OKC, but I'm saying like six or seven, and when you're saying a game is when you're saying a series of seven games, you're basically saying it's a toss-up. So, yeah, Oklahoma City would be favorite, probably San Antonio would be favorite, but I guess we just depend on how Boston was playing.

But yeah, like the, like, look, it's become a bit of a gimmick now, but it's based in analysis and reality, I booked my hotel finals hotels in Boston two months ago. So I absolutely believe that they can do it. I thought I was a really impressive win, and I'm really glad you know how you have thoughts in your watching games.

Maybe I would say this, maybe I think this, and there's a moment again, Boston, where maybe

play, like I know exactly what it's going to be, and I know what I'm saying is unfair, because

they're incredibly well coached, they've already proven that this despite the frustrations, it times their offense, it's a proven concept, they've won a championship, and I'm glad last night happened just to kind of remind me to not let some of the aesthetics of it get in the way of like what you think they're capable of, because it's not a scoring night from Tatum, but I thought it was just a reminder of hey, do you realize how special

“this guy is, which I think it's lost a lot, because he's always compared to the few guys”

in front of him all the time. So the thing about Tatum, and it's been true, as you know, for years on end now, is the bigger the game, the better he rebounds. It's like this is like empirically true, it's not even a debate, you go look at like his the biggest games, go look who leads the Celtics and rebounds, it's Tatum, I mean, straight

down the line, I'm about to say you can't find a final's game or a conference final's

game where it was not him, but Tatum always rebounds, when it matters, he rebounds.

And Tatum, 12 rebounds in that game, I swear to God, I do not care what you're shooting percentages, I do not want to hear anybody talk about his shooting percentage until the second round of the playoffs, I don't care if he's shooting 20%, I don't care if he's shooting 70%, I will, he needs to be Jason Tatum again by the second round of the playoffs, so that's

“roughly going to be the first week of May.”

So talk to me in five weeks, as to where Jason Tatum is on his shooting percentage. Until then, I'm way more focused on how he trusts pushing off that leg, which I, you know, I have scouts are telling me, well, you know, if you look at his two legs, one of them is clearly smaller, I'm like no duh. Of course, the one of them is like oh, oh, how, oh my God, what a, what a brutal assessment.

Of course, it's smaller, you just had a killies. So like, no, I mean, I watched that game and, you know, I look, I don't know is, oh, let me ask you this is Baylor Shireman for, like, do you believe in Baylor Shireman getting rotation minutes in a conference finals? That seems like a lot to ask, but he's been terrific, and I think if you go back

over the years, I feel like the Celtics, you know, they're always kind of thinking like

what else can we do, right? I think they're one of the smarter organizations I imagine you to agree, and, I don't think I'm sharing too much, but it was like relayed in me in a way. It was like looking at how the Miami heat had done with their development internally. Okay, we're going to grab this player, and we look at him and we've identified some traits,

and then we're going to try to develop this guy. And so you have all these stars, you have championship aspirations, and I think maybe some teams can just not worry about that part of it because the other part is so much more

“important, and the Celtics are on this internal development run here, that I think is”

remarkable, and I totally understand it's not like anybody's going to open up a show with like, hey, if you've seen Baylor Shireman's improvement, like Jordan Wall should look like a DNP, and yet he comes in, he has this kind of energy, they turn housing to a real thing, you go, looks like he's going to be a real rotational piece at the very least, and they've identified these players, Keda, you know, on top, and so like we could go down the list of a

bunch of stuff, and I thought what was really interesting is that it was clear, okay, see it was like we are actually okay with Sam Houser taking shots, you know, when you try to figure out what a team's willing to give up, and Houser has a pretty tough start, and then they close a Shireman, and it's not only him making shots, Brian, it's him defending SGA, where you know you're just going to get caught up in the switch, but it's like you have to win your battle

as long as you possibly can to at least disrupt him a little, again, I'm not suggesting that Baylor Shireman shoved out SGA, but that's a tremendous amount of trust in that spot, so if Missoula's willing to do that last night, then that tells me that he's willing to do it. I agree deeper into the playoffs. Look, I live in Omaha, Nebraska, okay, grown men walk their dogs on my street wearing Baylor Shireman jerseys, okay, like I don't follow college basketball much, but I will, I can

give you chapter in verse on Baylor Shireman and Ryan Colk Brenner, all right, I am well aware of their college careers, so certainly wasn't like he came out of nowhere for me, but I do agree with you, Missoula coach this game, like a playoff game, and you know, one of the things that they did was they pack the paint on Shay, and so there's two little weaknesses with the thunder. Actually, something that's interesting that I need to have some conversations with some people,

it's too small of a sample size to really trust, and the thunder got off to a great start in this game, but I will say, the thunder's main starting lineup, which is, you know, Shay, Jalen Williams, Hardenstein, Chat, Lou Dort, they are two and five this year, but anyway, I don't think last night's Jalen's game, like I don't look at Jalen Williams, he was invisible last night,

Totally agree, but he also played great the game before, so anyway, um yeah, I'm not focused on it, I'm just saying that's interesting, so Missoula packed the paint on him and Shay really struggled to get as many looks in the paint as he normally does, now he still got to the line 12 times, still scored 30, but the two little weaknesses that the thunder have, one, is there somewhat shallowness in there, in terms of creators, maybe AJ Mitchell could do this under pressure,

I'm a big AJ Mitchell fan, so I'm a believer, but you know, basically forcing somebody

else besides Shay to initiate, and they're not super duper reliable on three point shooting, they obviously can still beat you with the three ball, they're certainly not like a deficiency, but if you're going to set your game plan, selling out to protect the paint and, you know, wet, you know, gambling that Lou Dort and Alex Carruso, you know, are going to beat you with the three ball, Jalen Williams is going to beat you with the three ball, like that, it's so it's a strategy

“that I can see teams using, and that's what Missoula used last night, so so she's not only did he”

use, you know, sort of maybe a championship rotation, but he used a championship, you know, game plan in that one, and I think that's relevant. Yeah, the three point shooting I brought up during the playoffs last year, it's like you realize that this is how poorly they are from three in comparison to the playoff teams, and yet they're still winning this thing, and that's just a credit-to-house, especially in the end. And, and if you open up a playoff series, you're like,

well, I'm not sure about their three point shooting, literally Isaiah joke, it hits seven, three's that night, like, it's not that they don't have weapons, but it is on the scheme, it is something. I was dancing with the idea of of another thing where like about a month or so ago, I was like, do you want to just pick San Antonio? Do you just want to put the flag in the crowd and say, hey, San Antonio is going to do this? And, you know, staying on the OKC thing, clearly we get to the

“rebounding thing, but it doesn't seem to necessarily matter for them. I think it mattered last night,”

but bigger picture hasn't seemed to, it's not a fatal flaw, because we're still talking about the best team in the league. And then, when you think about San Antonio, you're like, all right, historically, if you run through the youngest teams and win a championship, because the cheerleaders in 77, it's like average age is 24 years, and some of the average age stuff can be weird, because the thunder technically younger this year than they were last year, but last year, thunder teams the

second youngest ever, and then you look at the spurs where the Harrison Barnes age kind of throws

off the entire thing, because the guys that are probably going to close a game, it feels like with the development of some of these young players, Barnes might not even be out there where he would have been in the beginning of these season, but we're also talking about a team that just hasn't ever had any playout front together. So, it's as much as I wanted to do it where I go, look how many times when being negates the number one thing, this other really good team wants to do.

You know, you just go down the list, like, hey, this team likes to do this. Oh, wait, they can't do their thing against it, because of him, it still feels like just a, it would feel irresponsible, Brian, for me a month ago, and maybe even today, I wouldn't blame anybody for doing it. I just can't get there yet, because I'd have to think, okay, so you go into the battles last couple of years, would mean some kind of advantage over San Antonio's group. Right, you're experienced with the

“league, like demands that that's what you say, right? So, every week, Tim Bonthamson, I do a,”

what we call it, the intelligence file, where we basically talk to a whole bunch of executives, scouts, coaches, and like sort of get them off the, you know, we use their quotes, we don't use their names, and we basically say, what the league is talking about. And so, last week, I was, I was at a game, and I was sitting there pregame, and was out here on the west coast, and we were watching a spurs game that was going on while we were eating dinner in the pregame

press room. And this scout has been around for 20 years. He works for an Eastern Conference team. That's not relevant. But we're having dinner, and he goes, you know, I came to the decision, I think San Antonio's going to do it. I think they're going to win the west. And I looked at him, and we had a conversation about it. Like, you know, I have not been on that for that, for basically the exact same reason. You know, it's almost like, and we'll see what happens

literally as I say to some sure it'll guarantee. But you almost never see a freshman lead team

when the, when the NCAA. Obviously, there are freshmen stars who contribute. But I mean, less on having a, you know, a brain fart. I don't think a freshman lead team. Like, you know, people are like, how do you do quit not win the title last year? Well, they, well, led by freshman, you know, like, I'm sure of Cooper Flag and Concernip Award Duke this year, they'd win it. Um, very rarely, do you achieve the highest thing the first time you do something?

Like, this is, you know, cross life, right? And so what Bon Tempsen I have done a bit last week,

what have you? Do you think the spurs can do it? And, um, I was kind of surprised with how many people

“think they can. Um, I don't think anybody is saying like they will. I think, you know, that particular”

scout, which he gave me the idea to like, to do this. And you're, obviously, you know, it's interesting, you're thinking the same thing, you know, you move in the same circles. And the fact that you're bringing this up means that, you know, you're, you're seeing the same thing, you're thinking the same thing as a lot of us are. Um, I'm very cognizant of not being on the wrong side of history with Victor Roman Yama as well, because, um, sometimes you see a true special talent come through. And it's

you, it's usually once or twice in a generation, who does break the rules. And he breaks so many rules. And so, I've been listening for the last six, seven days to people that I respect, who've been around a long time, make cases for me about how the spurs can do it. And there is a bunch of different reasons. You know, one is, is that one of the reasons why the spurs have had so much success against

“the thunder this year is that what you, you know, the rules as you know, Ryan, they favor what shade”

does. They favor what Jalen does. You know, Jalen's Shay actually plays a similar game. They hunt mid-range shots. And they get in there and they create contact. And it's one of the things that drives Jalen crazy is that he doesn't get the whistle that Shay does. You know, you know, these are the last two finals MVP's. Jalen thinks he should win the regular MVP. He thinks he's every bit as good as Shay is. He thinks he plays on both ends even better. And he doesn't understand why he

doesn't get the same whistle as Shay. But the game is predicated right now for a perimeter player that they can go in and they can create the contact. It's totally allowed. It teams, doesn't every team do it. There's just a couple of guys who are really talented at it. Jalen is one. Shay is the best at it right now. But that's the weapon. Shay's, when the game is close, what Shay can do to you and stress you out is it's almost unbeatable. But what if you're seven

foot five and can defend Shay without having to make contact with them and also defend the

rim? Because this is what we're really talking about here. Because Shay gives this incredible,

one of my favorite quotes of the year. Shay says when he wins those, those couple of games in a row, a couple weeks ago where he fourth quarter, he's just amazing. He says I have all the answers to the test. I just have to wait for the questions. It's a beautiful, arrogant, true quote. Basically what he's saying is, you play your defense and I have the full array of talent, abilities, experience, savvy, know-how to beat whatever defense you throw at me. And he has repeatedly proven

that to be true, except with the seven foot five beast who can actually defend that shot without having to be close enough to be pushed off without giving up the the the the the the back lob to the paint. Because he can guard, check, he can guard, heart and strain without giving up having to guard Shay in the mid-range. And so when you think about stuff like that, and you think about, you know, another thing that somebody once won a assistant coach brought up to me. He was like,

okay, let's just say that let's just say the seating ends the way it is now. Let's say Denver's four. I actually think Denver will probably finish the season strongly. They have no more back to backs. They have mostly home games. Their toughest games are right at the end of the season with San

Antonio and Oklahoma City. That's where they finish the season with. And it's likely that the first

pick seed might even be it might even be finalized by the last two games. And they won't even play their guys and then really even win their quote unquote tough game. So he says, let's just assume Denver gets four. I go, okay, he goes, what do you think Oklahoma City? Let's say Denver plays Oklahoma City and San Antonio plays Los Angeles. And maybe, maybe the spurs get the number one seed. I don't know, but let's just say it goes that way. That's the way it is right now. Who do you think

come through that series in raw for shape? The spurs or the or the thunder? Assuming they went, maybe Denver pulls it up set, you know, whatever. He's like, don't you think that like having to go through Denver will potentially penalize Oklahoma City? Don't you think that'll take something out of them? Like, regardless of that point or whatever, and I know I'm filibustering

“on you Ryan, regardless of all that, I think the point is I got, I got executives and coaches”

trying to state the case for how San Antonio can do it. And maybe that's bias that people are annoyed by the the thunder because the way they play and they're very physical and they they whine about fouls on one end and foul like crazy on the other end and then there's jealousy about them blah blah blah. But I listened to guys for the last week, try to explain to me how San Antonio can do it.

I don't blame him and if look, there are the western conference finals in the 41 regular season

“numbers going to be brought up all the time. I think there's like two things to remember is there's”

that one, I'll never forget that Friday game. I was like, oh, I'm excited and then okay,

see sat everybody. Right. Then I was like, okay, I'm no longer as excited about tonight's game. So you could play some game or you're like, you know, if they don't punt on that one, maybe they get that one. It's three to is that really that big of a deal. But if you go through all the teams that women y'all must play three or more games against against okay, see he's average 25 minutes a game. I've brought this up before. I think it's like 21 21 23 26 28 is the most amount of

men's he's ever played in a game against okay see and those 25 minutes on average and I'm not on the exact number. I think it'd be okay with that. That's the lowest minutes per game against any team he's played three more times. So when you think of the idea of him out there for 35 minutes disrupting basically any of your downhill stuff that you want to do, you're just I'm not saying it's impossible. Like guys have completed layups against him. But it's it's a daunting exercise to go.

We're never really going to have this kind of downhill advantage thing. It's it's not necessarily

“going to matter. And when I love about okay see and I think like even last nice game against boss,”

you could say his is Daniel still struggling to figure out like what he wants to do rotationally. I think a detractor would say that. Also if they hadn't put another Detroit game, they would have gone into this one with 15 straight wins. I think the thunder would have been talked about like because for some reason we like lose our mind about streaks and then it becomes they want to know how can anyone pick against this team. It's like well, they probably could have

had 15 straight if they wanted it. I just will always defend their adaptability. I'd rather have chat and aren't stined and then go okay fine. Now I don't have to play one of them. And that's not us changing to a lesser opponent. That's us deciding that we have many more pages in the planar here of what we could possibly do. But it's hard to ignore that especially earlier in the year and maybe San Antonio took a more serious little KC because it means more to them. Kind of their

status and a league. It was the only time I've ever seen where it looked like all the stuff that KC does to the opponent where you go, oh my god, there's another team's a mess right now. Like they can't figure out OKC. Everything is hard for them. It was like the only time I felt like everything was hard for OKC and it was like really a long and that was months ago when I wasn't even flirting with this idea. So let me pivot to this though because you were kind of the women

Yamamoto whispered there for a little while early on before the draft. Is there anything that you learned about him back then that today with his success? And I think his demeanor as this is much about this success and top all the physics gifts like I cannot believe somebody understood what was being asked of him to see that this soon in his life. But is there anything that makes more sense to you now that you've learned about him going back years before the draft?

So first off he does accept coaching, having said that he's going to do what he wants to do. You know like one of the things that I as I've watched him play this year he is annoyed me at times is how he just he just some nights he just wants to shoot the three and I'm like please go inside you know he opened the season like relentlessly attacking the basket and like I was like tearing up I was like well he'll win the next seven MVP's and as the season has gone I

need any did have like that that leg injury and I think that contributed to it because it was I think the defenses to like once like people started going hey let's get a dog into his hips and then help off of that because people were playing them straight up with centers and it was I still think that game against Dallas against Anthony Davis in the beginning of year I was like that I think this is one of the best games I've ever seen a player play which felt ridiculous to say but

“keep going. Yeah but here's the thing like I've talked to his coaches since since he was 12 I mean”

I'm not a draft guy at all I don't have the bandwidth to follow college basketball I don't like I'm hearing names of guys like who are going to be lottery picks I don't know I mean like I don't know Darius A. Cuffs game. I know his background I know he's from Detroit I know and I love about it but I don't know his game and I won't know his game until after the NBA season

when I can study it and I'll learn these guys when they get to the NBA okay this is never something

I've wanted to do however when Ben Yamma fascinated me so dramatically and I was the more and I remember I read this interview that he gave with the the keep which is like the the French Sports Illustrated it's like a daily sports publication in France and he and I remember reading this Q&A and being like oh my god this guy is I mean I translated I had to have a translated

I basically just went to my bosses and said can I get in on our coverage of him and thanks to Jonathan Gavoni who you know had a long standing relationship with his agents you know I

got to spend several weeks with him and his family and his coaches in Paris I've never done that before

I mean never do it again but this is like what the draft process was in fact while I was in Paris the first trip that I made when he was that one year before the draft the spurs were there also doing their background research Brian Wright their general manager Dave Telap who's they're like head of scouting he's got some

“title that's better than that I'm sorry Dave I can't remember what your title is I've known him for”

25 years and Claudio who's like their Italian like long-term you know the spurs one of the spurs like his legacy European scouts were all there and like they were talking to some of the same people I talked to and you know I sat with Vincent Coley who is the the Greg Popovich of France he's like the most the best coach best French coach of all time and he was his coach at the time he was also the national team coach and to sit with Vincent and listen to have him talk about

Victor and he was telling me he's like you know back when I had but two but two would take three insane shots and I would pull him out of the game sit him on the end of the bench curses him out and then you know not playing for five minutes he goes Victor takes three bad shots and I go okay Victor take a four you know he just you know and so I got to understand a lot about his background

“and spent time with him and talking to him and Ryan the more that I spent time with him and them”

because you know a lot of times when you come across anybody in life right the more you get to know them you're like aha now I see why this person has been fired from two jobs now I see why this person's been divorced you know now I see why this person cannot get along with that person or now you know the more I got to know Victor and the more I understood him and the more I watched him play

the more I was like convinced of his superstar and you know you could say well you've never done

this with with draft picks like you you know the only other person that I knew like this was LeBron so my you know my my you know I'm a little bit warped in that way but I was I would see and think about him and comparison to LeBron actually Cooper flag reminds me way more of LeBron the way he plays and everything but I was I was I was young and dumb I was 25 on LeBron came in the league I didn't know

“at the hell I was talking about but I was one billion percent convinced he was going to be a superstar”

because I knew his whole background was makeup and I was one billion percent convinced I'm back to one billion yeah and I know that's not a hot take and it's like oh this guy with generational size and skill was going to be good boy what an incredible high for town I get it I'm not saying that it was that it was like a revolutionary opinion I'm just saying as I got to know his makeup his makeup was more impressive or equally as impressive as his stature and so um when the spurs

one well anyway collect and all those guys I just learned that he was very headstrong and so and you know frankly arrogant and when you see that headstrongness and arrogance coming through

in the NBA like I just smile because I'm like yeah this is the way he's always been he was

saying stuff like this when he was 12 and he's always been successful and so much of what he has done he's been savvy and smart and so like look like I I'm just I'm convinced of his success and so I was I was not convinced it was going to happen in year three it's happening sooner than I thought and so I'm it's just tough for me to to say that he can't pull it off because I'm just so inclined to believe in him so and that said I have a such an affinity for the thunder so Ryan I'm

sorry I'm I'm I'm just totally dominating as I'm sorry but when dominating away what did you defeat you in the post when Victor played his first NBA game it was a preseason game in Oklahoma city it just so happened that his first game was in Oklahoma City and it was a in chat home granted missed his whole rookie year so it was going to be chat home wins first game too it was on a Monday night in October it was the first preseason game out of the game I was working

in Los Angeles I said I'm going to fly to Oklahoma City I'm not going to fly home to Omaha I'm going to fly to Oklahoma City because I want to see this game day of I'm going to fly in my wife was annoyed because she's like I need you know come home you know our son had a basketball game like my boss is

4,000 people there like there was not even any local media there like it was football season like

they were like what's oh you're going to do at quarterback you know like you know what crazy thing did Mike Gundys say in his press conference that day you know like they were not focused on the

“NBA so I come to this game and Victor I don't remember the exact stats so don't hold me to this”

there was like 17 scouts there 17 scouts like unheard of from Monday night preseason game in October right because they all saw the game on this schedule too and I knew that chat and Victor had some beef because they had played against each other in the U19 World Cup and the in COVID sort of just they didn't get to play against each other as much as other young players do on the on the international level because COVID disrupted it but they did get to play against

each other one time in the World Cup the the U19 World Cup it was in somewhere in eastern Europe like I want to say in Latvia maybe or Lithuania anyway the U.S. won Victor outplayed shit in the final but Victor fouled out and shit was named the MVP actually the star of the game was Jade and Ivy but the chat was named MVP at the whole tournament and it I just know from talking to Victor that that stuck in his crawl he hated the fact that

chat home grin had this thing over him you know this this this world cup and I also knew about the chat that chat would talk trash and like was was pretty arrogant himself and like looked

not arrogant but like confident and in the first half of this game I want to say Victor scored

18 in Shetscore 20 and they absolutely went at each other they like tried to dunk on each other and like I was looking around and people were just like kind of not paying attention people were just like you know I'll just were here at their first game you know look at the scoreboard I've got goosebumps I've got goosebumps and they ended up talking trash to each other on social media after

“the game like I think like DSP and ran a highlight of like when I'm a dunking and it was like”

over chat and like chat like talked trash back to him like instantaneously they were talking trash I think the thunder of said I tried to shut this down by know how chat feels okay and so in the hallway after the game of Victor's mother um LOD who's a wonderful woman uh Victor's mother is there you know she's gone to his first game she's in the hallway afterwards and she was Victor is there Victor's agents there and Victor is there and and LOD is there and I'm saying hello to them

because I've gotten to spend some time with them and chat comes down the hallway and chat stops to say hello and now I know I know Ryan that chat home grin is practically a foul name in the women yama family not like because he personally did Nathan to him or anything like that but just I know from having spent time with him that losing to the United States in that game where he felt

fouling out was unfair that he has never gotten over it and so I know this so chat comes by and

says hello and I'd never met chat before and chat and Victor says hello and he goes um chat this is my mom LOD and um Victor's chat shakes LODs hand LODs you know I'm like this little shrimp because like the agent Boona and Jai he's like I don't know he's like 6263 LOD is like 6 to you know Victor 7 foot 5 chat 7 foot 2 like I'm like this little kid like looking up at all the grownups right and and chat says oh I played against Victor um in that one time in Latvia you know almost like you know

“friends oh yeah remember that one time we hung out Ryan when we were at that bar in Manhattan Beach”

we hung out you remember that oh yeah that was great it's good to see you again and LOD just looks at him and goes I remember and I I wanted to like just fist pump watching this scene because chat was needling chat was needling because he's like oh don't you remember I kicked your son's ass nice to meet you and so chat rocks down the hall and I follow him and I go introduce myself to him and he goes it's nice to meet you now he is 19 years old you know right maybe he's 20

forward to you you know talking about me and covering my success or something like that Ryan

I was so energized by all of this and so this long-winded story is my way of telling you that I have been pining for the thunder spurs rivalry that we are about to see explode on the scene for years and it's not just chat against victor but their personalities are perfect for this rivalry and the thunder have been very well drilled do not do anything with air against do not do anything to show up the opponent you know we're gonna be all respectful the pressy way and it

works and all this stuff don't open a bottle of champagne even when you won the championship like that's the whole pressy way and it's all working and it's all great but I am so excited about this and and we are we are on the verge of it and I can tell you no matter what they say this is this is they want to kill each other and so I for one don't really care I the real talk I don't really care what happens in the playoffs in the west as long as we see San Antonio play Oklahoma City

in that western conference finals the rest of it I mean I'll cover it I'll talk about it I'll do

“the hits I'll fulfill my job duties that's what I want to see and so I'm sorry that I grabbed the”

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say Detroit now very well may have been you didn't say Detroit because we all do this job and sometimes you don't say a player sometimes you don't say a team and it's actually not an act against that society but with the kid injury and I would say an offensive profile although when I ran the numbers this morning and looking at it month a month and after the all-star break it's it's actually

“not as bad as everybody seems to talk about it being and I think bigger staff still kind of searching”

for what he wants and I understand when he changes his closing group it's usually like match up pace and I'm like okay he's going with the assar move here because of this defensive assignment or assar is going to be watching because of the priority that they're going to need here and then there's the Danish Jenkins thing that I've been fascinated with because like it's such a credit to him and I understand that the role that he plays but then I think about him like game six or game seven

going and I know he's cool taking the shot by the way which is why he's even in the league with the background that he has but it really it all comes down to Kate so I don't know if that was just hey we were running through some teams he didn't mention them or if you're kind of like TBD are of them with the Kate the one thing which I believe as of this morning we're still a week away from

“when he'd actually be reevaluated which is always a very important word to remember the definition”

of have you ever had a rib injury? Yeah but not like not something like this right well the clap's long like it's you know it's it's more severe but like I a few years ago fell on a boat be very in boats all the time very embarrassingly and cracked my rib we're kind of we're kind of machinery on

and extraordinarily painful and the first like five or six and I realized he doesn't technically

have a rib injury like they didn't say as a rib injury it's more of like getting his wind back but I'm sure that rib hurts like the first four or five days are really tough and then when you get out of it you know it you know if heals like the like the doctor said you know he I got X-rays and the doctor was like okay well look and in fact I talked to an MBA player I think I talked to Larry Nance who had had a cracked rib and he played with it and he said there's this

there's this vest you can put on it's going to hurt like hell to get it on and off but once you get it on it'll be good for you goes you know you can consider it but I didn't do that but anyway um did you look at ordering it because I would love just when it was sitting there and the shopping cart you know I think you probably need help to get it out of it I was I was still there was doing shows I

actually I won't tell that story but anyway it took you know the first four or five days are really

hard but then you know it does get better and so I I'm not trying to say I know how he's feeling but I I believe he'll be back for the playoffs and I even I'm going to say I'll bet he's going to be close to 100% he he may start slow but really the the pistons are going to need him to be more full power probably second round I don't mean it would filly like ramping up it's hard to trust filly like I don't know I mean they could in a playing Charlotte like that might not be easy but I

“feel like Kate's going to be okay so I'm going to assume that Kate's going to be okay here's the thing”

about Detroit they lose the three point can test like every single game and their 28th and makes and their 22nd in percentage and in the modern game it's hard to get the math on your side

now I love what Dennis Jenkins said the other day because they they won their first three games

after Kate got hurt and they had that really nice win over the lakers and their defense actually when Kate first went down their defense actually picked up that you could tell that JB challenged them saying listen we're not going to have our offensive leader so the answer you know is to just to defend more and they have and I love that Dennis Jenkins said that he's like we're not afraid of anybody because we know that we're going to defend and that is an old school playoff mentality

and I love it but it's very hard for me to make the case for them winning 12 games because really I'm you know can they get to the finals it's really hard for me to make the case for them

“winning 12 games when I think in a playoff setting where they're going to be able to game”

plan against Kate and what I mean by that is they're very limited in their offensive game planning are they're offensive creation and so they're just going to game plan on a way that makes it hard on Kate and they're not going to and they're going to lose the three point battle like probably five out of every six games and like it really it's like if they only lose the three point battle by three or four it's almost like a good job but these games where they where they make nine

threes and their opposition makes 18 that's like they've won plenty of those games this year but that is not a survival ratio deep into a playoff run and I could be proven wrong like you know maybe they get to the conference finals you could play this back and they've been outshot by seven threes a game they're like yeah well guess what other than those threes we shut their

“asses down maybe but it's hard for me to create a scenario where I believe that they can make”

a long run based on that I'm ready for anything in the east you know looking at it this morning you know Detroit I think you'd want to play Philadelphia depending on how the play and stuff works out here right if you're running through those teams I don't I'm I think we're on the show for some reason huge magic fan and I've taken kind of a personal interest in some of the palo bashing because I just feel like you can't be as good as he was as soon as he was and then

now you're just going to be bad and he said some really good games but I thought that okay see game he was terrific and then he had another game and I think it was one of the Cleveland game where I just see him incredibly frustrated so I have no issues playing Orlando right now outside of like Andy Black and Franz both come back but I just I don't know that team seems done I wouldn't necessarily be excited to play Charlotte I'd rather play Philadelphia even though

George and being went off last night against Chicago so that was kind of good I mean I know what the Philly plan is it's like as long as we just have the four guys like we actually might have

in game one but by game four two of them are hurt like even if they're a full power like I don't even know what the start of a series of where I can depend on them to finish the series yeah and that's another reminder here too is that likely one big time guy is going to go down in each conference early in the playoffs and that changes the story to I mean it happens basically every single year so we soon to act surprised I don't think my amies in easy out

and this is not like the classic like oh my amy they're they're always in it because I kind of

“wrote them off and I think I feel like I wrote them off because I found them so boring but I don't”

think to Detroit my amy is an easy series at all if that ends up being your one eight matchup I have no idea about my amy it's very hard for me to project they seem like they make things harder on themselves than they need to there's a lot of different opinions about my amy out there you know some people are like man like you know they they make the most of their roster other people are like this you know they use this a Noah La Roche offense where they you know they don't

do pick and roll or they at least do a lot less pick and roll something like you know I mean it's completely different approach I mean the pace response for historically and what they're doing now which I know you already know go ahead yeah and some people think that that's a gimmick that

will never work so bam is you know bam is an incredible talent but some people debate whether

this system is even the best for him like he doesn't to his credit like they were like hey this bread and butter that you've built your whole career we're going to take that play away and he actually had a pretty rough start to the season learning the new system they never complained about it publicly once maybe complained about it privately but he was only supportive like it's all it's all like good stuff but like they're also like defensively one of the worst they've

ever been like you know so I don't know it's hard my amy is a hard team for me to read like you could say to me hey they're going to pull an upset in the first round and I could be like okay like I can see that but you know last year they they they're performance in the playoffs was devastatingly awful so these are you're mostly the same players you know the other than the norm pile so I don't know is a preference of New Yorker Cleveland in the playoffs because look

we've already talked about some talk to Troy is the preference for New York over Cleveland because

of Jame hard the James is first name James Harden's playoff resume you know what would actually

be fascinating and the the sixors are healthy or there are maxies about to come back again I have no idea whether they're going to stay healthy they're only like a game out of fifth place

“what happens if like I think Cleveland is highly incentivized to get to stay in four”

because I think they match up better with the choice and they do with Boston and they have the easiest schedule of all the eastern teams they have the easiest schedule in New York as the toughest so in theory the calves could you know if they finish like eight and one or something and the nicks finish like four and four which probably probably not they'll probably win more that but there's a scenario which the the calves could get to three the calves could be incentivized to

stay at four to to make sure they're on the same side the bracket is the pistons because they've had trouble with the nicks and the the Celtics this year and what happens if Philly plays Cleveland in the four five and Harden is going back to Philly for playoff games would be interesting Cleveland's record with Harden is very good I think it's like 14 and four and their offense has been top three in the leagues since he got there but defensively they have completely cratered it's not all his fault

they picked up some bad habits but it's hard for me to believe in Cleveland right now because their defense has been so terrible for the last six weeks and Kenny I can say this calling the mouth on it he's caught I'm sure he's called them out privately for a while now he called them out publicly earlier this week trying to get them to to be to improve so he's obviously worried about it so right now Cleveland's not playing good enough defense for me to sit there and say oh yeah they're

going to win three playoff rounds they certainly have the offense for it but they don't have the defense for it right now so that's my hesitation on them and New York is uniquely structured to be Boston you know New York's entire roster was was put together to be Boston and guess what they're want to know against them and the playoffs and they're two one against them they're the regular

“seasons so they play one more time I think it's the next week you know and that game won't mean”

everything but it won't mean nothing I'm ready for anything in the East I really am I have a

pot you talked about Janus and for the most part like the general premise is just hey we're all sick of this collectively I had Austin Rivers on it and I even presented like a theory is Janus getting mad and I didn't even know that I believed it right we're just podcasting here so it was like as Janus finding something else to be upset about right with a in a relationship that he does want to break up with I don't I mean and then I was thinking like well why wouldn't he just

want to sit out make sure that he's healthy knowing that extensions on the table and does he pull

like a Bradley beetle thing here's like let me get the 275 million and then I'll worry about it

all this stuff a little bit later like all of these things could potentially be in play but what I thought was kind of interesting like even trying to figure out what that trade would be I remember when you were on with us months ago and you said it's funny because whatever you think of stuff on castle like the spurs said they wouldn't train for anybody and we both kind of smiled about it

“now I wonder if they would trade Dylan Harper for anybody I mean that's how impressed I am”

with what this team is done in the car brand minutes have been incredible here too but like two of the potential landing spots and I don't think Presti ever would have been the guy even if he had lost game seven last year that decides then to use the result to alter the course of how he's building

his roster he's just not that guy I think we do it too often where we get a result we don't like

and then we ask them to completely change all of these things so I don't even know that he would have done it but okay see it doesn't make any sense and now the San Antonio match doesn't really even make any sense and the more I look around for like where Jonas would if he's going to do this this summer say before the draft where he would go where he'd feel like it's a good basketball destination for him that also has some kind of acid I think that market for him it's not a reflection

of him as a player but I think that market's gotten a lot more difficult a last couple months yeah so here's a question like we don't know everything that the the bucks were offered but we have some idea of what they were offered the question is well the one of the reasons

“I think they still had some belief that they could do something in the second half of the season”

that was part of the reason it didn't raid Jonas the other part of the reason is is that they thought that the offers would improve in the summer because more teams potentially be able to trade more stuff you know trades in the summer easier when they're big deals I one thing I wonder is if that will be true you know Jonas has now had a couple of more injuries and you know if you trade for him you got to give him the 270 otherwise he's not going to sign it but I'm sure there

will be teams who well I'm not saying teams will not but his you know but my question is do you think that they'll get better offers this summer than they got in the winter you know I don't

know if the answer is an automatic yes maybe maybe they will maybe maybe I'm wrong but one of the

challenges that I think Milwaukee had was the teams that they wanted to make a trade with I think were as you just said San Antonio Oklahoma City and the 13 I would put in there that I think would be very attractive would be Houston you know this these are teams that have a bunch of picks including picks that are not theirs that you could treat you know because if you're trading them yannas you're trading them a player that you think is going to make them a shave as you know tender insulin you don't

necessarily want their picks but those teams have other teams picks you could get and none of them were interested in him and as you said certainly Houston are well Houston's the one team like depending on how the way this thing's gone with Houston but Houston could also look you in the eye and say we like our team and when Fred Van Valy comes back you're going to think we're going to be different and we'll do something with to give us more depth of point card the off season like I don't think

Houston is is necessarily going to jump into that and so that's really the challenge the teams that they want to deal with are not wanting to deal with them or are less likely to deal with them they were before so that is definitely a challenge in the yannas thing not the other thing is the lottery like you want to you know ideally if you're going to start a rebuild you start a rebuild with one of the dudes in his draft and you know maybe the I mean the bucks because

“they've I think handled their season poorly they're now looking at single digit percentage probably”

to get up into the top four but look it could happen basketball karma whatever they could hit on that and get a top four pick and then trade yannas for another top ten pick like that's one thing they got away and see the lottery like like maybe the teams you want to deal with change once you see the way the lottery falls that's definitely a possibility but you know I just I just wonder where yannas' value is relative to where it was you know in January February.

Silver's ever going to fix tanking off of the yannas topic here with this I wonder if it could just use a rebranding because yeah the other night I'm watching John pull a keytis running around

raptures I thought there might have been a different Ryan repair because I saw somebody named Ryan repair averaging 30 minutes a game for about a month it's the same one why don't we just call it NBA spring training you're you're using your full media background yeah because I would just have you go I was I get so upset when there's somebody running around in a game and I'm like I have no idea who that is and it's going to happen to me I mean it's going to happen to me a couple

times a month where you just go I don't know who that is I don't know who that is and I get mad and I stop everything I look them up I see where they were drafted I look through the transit actions I'll even look at their high school Wikipedia stuff because I'll be like if he's playing in a game I should know who he is when Pucoletus was out there a Pucoletus I was like what what

Ryan Ryan I'm telling you I did not know who John Pucoletus was I had never heard the name

I am watching the calves play the mavericks on a Sunday a couple weeks ago we are doing countdown that day I'm watching one of the TVs this guy is raining in threes I have zero like this is like you know schulonyl who he play for I had no idea of his existence in the world and this is my profession and he is raining in threes in this game and I'm like all right I am in big trouble because I do not know who this guy is so look the question really is here and when silver says this

then this means we are going to see significant changes we probably talked about fixing taking now for I don't know how many decades and it's kind of everything it's kind of everybody's favorite

things like here's my plan here's what I have I don't know that'll be as extreme as some of the

proposals but where do you think this is going yeah so all right so this is why I've been saying so the the lottery came in in 1985 so that was the first significant anti-tanking maneuver they've changed the lottery four times since then so that's five not counted in the lottery change was the creation of the play in tournament which is an anti-tanking measure it's not specifically related to the lottery but that's going to be six so this is now going to be the seventh

change to deal with tanking in my lifetime do we believe the seventh change will fix it well what is what has fixed mean you know well that's the thing I mean what's the plan if

“the the easy one is like hey reward competitiveness and just invert the entire thing and then I think”

about like imagine imagine a NFL team that were well it's not nine and seven anymore but say nine and eight because of an injury in the end of what Joe Burrow instead of all of the other teams you know I mean like I'm just trying to prepare people for right do you want them a walky books well I don't know I'm trying to think of like the best example of this a team that's outside everything because Milwaukee was at some point I mean all these teams aren't that good so I don't

know that there's a birth correlation like do you want Darren Peterson on this team because none of these teams are any good they're outside the plane but I don't know well silver silver tried to talk about this a little bit he was trying to draw a line to the difference between a rebuilding team and a tanking team because like for example a team that has tray young and Anthony Davis on it is not a rebuilding team now you can argue that those two aren't going to lead you to the

promised land but that's not a rebuilding team now I don't I don't know the health status of those two

“players I just know that I think they would be playing understood from circumstances so like you”

talk very clearly if their whole roster was playing would be in the plane if not the playoffs okay I think that's pretty clear part of the reason why they've had to tank so hard is because their roster isn't that terrible and so this is what there's a line being drawn but I'm not going to get into all that because it gets tiresome and tedious really what you have to do I mean really the the fix on this is relegation like this is you know they this is what they do in Europe with soccer

and it's a complete nonstarter in the NBA and so but but but but the whole concept of relegation is a teams at the bottom are incentivized to win or L.F. they face dire consequences

well they're never going to agree to demote a team to the g league even though that would

solve tanking in five seconds so it would never it would never happen so it's not it's pointless

“so how do you make a virtual relegation and that's what I think they're looking at how do you”

incentivize winning instead of incentivizing losing then we get it so that's basically the only

point presentations on the eleven point plans on how to do it will pour in but at the end of the day

it's got to be incentivizing a team to win versus incentivizing a team to lose that's that's the

“challenge I don't know that he says it though I mean you must be on board of the idea that”

it is going to be a more significant change than what we've seen by just changing the lottery odds but I think the lottery odds is like a really good example of like the unintended consequences I remember you can be a kid in elementary school reading about the lottery because of the Houston rockets and you were like what do they do you know and you're like well that doesn't seem right and then every time that they've changed the lottery then then they've had outcomes that they don't

like then it's like hey maybe we actually had it better when it was more weighted to the teams of the worst records but we did that then we had these chances the last couple weeks like my thing is

always like accepting that this is just the hardest transactional league which I say all the time

you can't if you were a GM a potential GM interviewing you can't sell cap space anymore you can't sell free a testination you can sell coaching you can't say have just gonna be better trading that everybody else when trading has never been harder so I don't know if there's a way to make all that easier probably not because it's only five on five I don't know if the sport is like the sport the way it's constructed it's just doing it's too important to get one of

those top guys and he is now and we're gonna get it done by May that's wild I know he's like we're gonna fix this full stop by May all right everybody we'll see you then that's like okay

good luck to you next time we have you on I'll try not to choke to death and I will um

“I'll ask you about MVP and Ricky that I had it written down here but I think we're gonna have you on”

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sorruti Kyle what's up no I was just gonna say you don't ask how we're doing anymore because I had a bunch of stuff for you real let's go it's grilling season I cook two fat New York strips yesterday I mean to really kick off the season doing great somebody just asked me to be in a golf league and it's the same league that my dad is in and we don't know how to feel about that there's a lot is just a lot of good stuff it's gonna be 70 today so uh I was hoping you

you'd fire off how we do it because I'm doing great there's a glimmer in Kyle's eye that I I'm not this is even a joke it's just why you got to watch on Netflix but my goodness it's just he's a different guy he just moves back north these the sun's out I'm telling you to see some of the pressure it's a real thing yeah but it comes out here in your back

Kyle in me whoa yeah so oh cart as I was saying I knew it was you phrasing we still doing phrasing

well glad you guys are happy for me because uh yeah I love you're joy brings me joy let me in that thank you I believe it well uh you're so you're not there's no like cerebral nerves no I'm just saying there's no nerves about the the St. John's dude game like he's just like whatever happens happens kind of thing absolutely and uh my buddy Jim Cunningham is taking a drive up from Westchester and we're gonna watch it uh out this Friday so

we'll have a little more support you know this is also good also good stuff FaceTime me all right send me an alert text hey I'm about to FaceTime you can fuck a book him a window on she just don't mind right now yeah let's get a little tip off I'm like Chris Mollinger as

he from like 19 hell yeah it's not from the 80s but I was thinking about going somewhere just

“wearing the Chris Mollingerly I think you should I think you should just like no sleeves either”

just just just hang oh it has no sleeves well I was in sat but you could put sleeves on it you know put in the kind of work he puts into where a t-shirt under your basketball jersey that's one thing you're not gonna do I wore a t-shirt underneath my jersey when I was a little kid though because of one Chris Mollinger. No shiremen still on it so yeah I used to think those I remember like remember was a colletal a mean you con shot out national champ he used to wear that big baggy

t-shirt under the jersey I was like I don't understand that look like I don't get it the older I get like you know what the conner stands out some of the action shots like the fallway jumpers and the big t it just it does work it does look pretty cool. Next time I play I might play in a big t. Yeah UVM lacrosse painting which we learn we're not pennies don't go full Adam Sandler but yeah like you know an oversized t I'm sure I put just a sailor

you know to imagine he talks some shit I mean yes though everyone knows how to say and that guy's awesome so maybe maybe put that. Have you guys seen the realistic goals list over here on my no pets? I'm sure you've seen it because it's been sent to me a thousand

“times and people been like hey you have to chose to Kyle and Ryan but if you've seen that little”

kid video the same John's video yeah yeah where he's just screaming in like 2016 about like I can't we've heard this sorry ass team like my life sucks and it's just like this compilation and it's it's beautifully edited and you know just to think you know 10 years ago where they were and where they are now it's that yeah how it's hard to be said. I watch it every day because I see it every day like I don't keep finding it but yeah we'll put the sound up for that work

but over the last couple they could be the best. I remember I went to Montreal and they used to play Duke all the time and they had the wind out there that was like all timer that was probably one of the happiest days in my life because I think it was the only time. Same chance wasn't rank but they were good and well over the rankings for that week I think I remember him as correctly

it was like the first time Duke lost to a non ranked or unrank non conference team and like forever

and then they had the other one and I was in Montreal just because like a bunch of people got together we used to just run up to Montreal a time and I remember being like I'm not meeting you guys it's too important. It's the same chance Duke came. So here we go. I'm going to keep going I'm not going to I'm not going to talk about hacks on this because I don't think it really matters but assume if they do beat let's just assume they beat Duke everyone's happy you rather play

you con for what a fourth time actually I was though I would you rather play you can you hear other try to be you con for three times the one season. I would. I would not. Really? Okay. Yeah, you rather play your machine. Same. Yeah. Although I would imagine you con would rather would they rather play Duke that doesn't seem that doesn't seem accurate let's not go

“that far. I think you rather play some chance. Yeah, that's probably because it's like you know what”

same chance you're just say it again when it goes bad for those six eight minutes you just hope you down eight in that 18 after 'em because it's gonna happen. Did you just get it? I might start smoking just go outside in the deck. Just pre getting a pack of spirits. This is my down double digits pack of cigarettes. Yeah, bring kids for me. Thank you. Take it. If you don't want you get to smoke though have them hang out nursing homes and it's you. Same thing. Yeah.

Depress me like all right. I know this gives us an email seeer. This is a good one. We this could be the entire show. I think with the feedback that we're getting from here and apparently it almost choked to death. Turning when or probably added into that out so the audience is not really going to know what you're talking about but you did have a bit of it now. I'll leave it in now that we brought it up. Yeah. No, I don't know. That's a rough listen that guy dying choking. I don't think

anybody wants to hear that. Maybe some of the people who don't who just like the NBA content don't like me. Well, I'll tell you what sometimes Steve will mute his thing on the video call but

like I thought I was helping you out. No. Totally fool me right anyway. Look at the shows getting

“even better trial and error. You know what? I think. Okay. We didn't have somebody asking because”

we did succession characters to do game of thrones characters for the show. I don't know. Who wants to be fucking hot pie, you know? That doesn't seem like a lot of fun. I keep pulled that one out. That's great. Yeah. But I also just thinking back like I'm not even Logan Roy. I just don't think if you had to come up with somebody you were most like but you know, Texas is not an answer. Yeah, I'm not as mean as Logan Roy. I like as there's people I like. I don't think Logan Roy

loved his kids. I've already said it. I'll say it again. Okay. It's my back to the party over the top. Hey, guys, 28 year old male six to one 75. No impressive gym stats. I moved from an apartment with a fitness center to a house with dumbbells. Only go up to 15 pounds. Don't worry. Have heavier ones. Don't worry. Everyone's are on the registry. Oh, so this guy's getting married and he put dumbbells on this one. I hit a fight for those or she just gave him five spots to like I don't care.

I don't want to know. Yeah. You can start pole vaulting. What is this? I did run a half marathon last summer in Glacier National Park and had a time just over two hours to afford to be exact. And be a cop is Yacca hurdle. A taller guy who can play below the arc and plays good defense.

But bricks every three he shoots because I never learned how to shoot from range.

On to my question. My fiance and I live in a northern Midwest suburb. Fondulac. We're getting married in August of this year in Lake Tahoe. I'm from Northern California in Lake Tahoe. Where we got engaged. I've decided that from my bachelor party. I'd like my groomsmen and I fly in the week of my wedding and have a two-day bachelor party.

Our wedding is on a Friday. So ideally I'd have everyone getting on Sunday night. Two pretty fucking nuts. All right. So you know the wedding's Friday. He wants everyone in the party to show up Sunday night. Monday and Tuesday we do the bachelor party. Then they have Wednesday Thursday to themselves. Spend with their wives girlfriends before the wedding. The reason I thought to do this was all

but one of my groomsmen live in the Midwest. Traveling to the wedding is already going to cost him some money. So a separate trip seemed excessive to me. Rather than extending their trips to Tahoe, Tahoe is also my opinion a great spot for a bachelor party. A lot of golf options,

“Lake activities, casinos, hiking, etc. My question is am I asking too much of them?”

As my groomsmen gift, I plan on covering the lodging for them to ease the price burden. A majority of graduated from college and have jobs but a full works meet the PTO maybe difficult for some. I've thought about what I want my bachelor party to be for over two years in the idea of a lake weekend locally doesn't hold the same celebratory nature to it as this would love your advice guys. This is just too close. There's a bunch of things that go wrong but also

you're saying everyone should go. That means what's the wives and girlfriends just go sit and hotels and buy themselves while you guys are somewhere about town and then you come back and then you also it's just I think it's just great to space these things out. It's just a safety. It's like a safety on a gun. Let's just let's fix it out. I feel like safety on a gun. That's an interesting

“it out. Good to have. You should have this space out. That way it is good to have but I”

don't you know the downside doesn't feel as dangerous. Anyway, I'm sorry. I'm not going to have tamer now. I'm sorry. I want to go coffee it. Yeah, I don't want to. It's like burn. It's like burn. Yeah. It's um, I mean you're a coffee guy. Maybe we'll end up here just come back forever. That's great. It's not strong. I will not. But you don't need that sometimes. You know, because I was telling my movie title which I go, "When you crack me and I get mad at myself,

crack me again, don't stop cracking me." Because I get mad because the whole thing. I feel like because the age and maybe status or whatever. I'm glad. I think we actually hit a place today with the show where we're going to get even better because Kyle just said, "Fuck you." Essentially. And we need a little bit. I need a little bit more of that. So thank you, Kyle. You're welcome. You're absolutely welcome. Well back to the email. It wasn't this also the issue in the hangover

right, is that stuff could go wrong. Like what if somebody gets injured? Like you don't like things happen on basketball. It's like, I'm not saying you're going to get lost.

Richard, what I was like. Like you never know. I don't know. I'm just throwing things out.

like the separate thing. I want something else to look forward to to go to, you know, even if it's

“like a Midwest Lake thing like he was talking about. That's like three months before that. Then you”

get two separate kind of like boys weekends. Like the weddings one weekend, the trip is another. I don't know. I feel like this having it all together, well, it could be just like one kind of fun bash. There's way more things that can go wrong. And it's, it's, I'd rather have the two separate things and hang out with my buddies two separate times. So again, it's your call. Maybe your buddy's feel differently. But I feel like there's stuff that can go wrong early on that could impact the

wedding because it's so soon. And you're not really doubling up with your buddies. Yeah, this might not even be a big deal. If he, I don't know how much this like reasoning is that it's like asking to take two separate trips as a lot or if he would just be like, I'd like it to be this way. Like I wonder if he's using that as a reason or if, you know, those guys wouldn't care. Like actually, yeah, I don't care if we do something in in May instead of doing all at a

week in August. So yeah, I'm really my focus here is like we're in a 28's a little different than

“being north of 30, north of 30. It's as impossible with guys with families and everything. But like”

you're asking basically, I don't know how big the party is. Let's say it's five or six guys. You're asking those five or six guys to take a week off. All right. You've already got

kind of this weird Friday wedding, which, you know, is not always the most convenient thing

for everyone else on the guest list. It's great for you. Knox a couple grand off the price usually. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not entirely like Sunday though. Like we always do. You guys have a big trip. Who's day after noon, then you are winning? What's that looking like? In a matinee? Yeah, you have a nice and central part. Here you go, buddy. You're you're asking a lot of people to move some stuff around and it's not just like, I know how you're framing it. And I don't even necessarily

think it's a bad idea. So I'm not anti the idea. I'm not anti the emailer. I'm not really worried about the safety part of this. I just think to be sitting here saying you're going to get all these other people coordinate, not just the long weekend that they're early doing to do it all the same time. And then want to grow firm wife is going to be pissed at one of these guys. Okay. And they're not going to be like, hey, you, we're going to do the bachelor party things Sunday

to Tuesday night. And then you roll in Wednesday when I'm on a coming off a 40-an-hour fender. Yeah, I'll try to put it with me. Yeah. And then like her parents are going to be all right, you know?

Yeah. You mean awesome for the first time potentially like this. This has disaster in all over it.

I don't even care about the disaster part that was just totally fair. But there's just like, what are you going to do? Have the wise and girlfriends lay out like some wood. Some women listening to this would go, yeah, that's sick. Like, you guys go do the golf thing and get banged up and we're going to drink wine and go to the pool and spot it whole thing. There's just too many moving parts for I'm just I'd be very surprised if any friend group. There are some,

but it's very rare to be able to pull this kind of thing off. Knowing that the girls and wife friends, the girlfriends and wives, none of them are going to want to fly by themselves later on in the week. That's usually my experience. Yeah, first of all, you're going to go to my friends waiting. Yeah, I'm going to my friends wedding, I'm going to tell her and then I booked you on the southwest

“on Wednesday. So we'll see you there. The only thing worse than that is is like the dual”

password bats are at party and want to look. Yeah, we covered that. We're not, yeah, that's not you supposed to be illegal. And so some like that's happening. So yeah, so she's having like her set by likely her separate bats throughout party another time. Yeah, I want to do this normal thing. I'll just say this. I mean, you guys remember what we have with mine and I don't think I don't think that this is going to be anything like that, but like we had dudes smack in each other's the New York

city guys were like who are these fucking people? Right. If we had like five things in New York, yeah, if we had like five days in between that and then was like, you know, all right, let's all get together. I think that cool down period was awesome. But, you know, if not not to say that any of that stuff would happen, but I'm just it's a bachelor party, whatever. And so I think that's that cool down period is great for a number of reasons. Okay. Microsoft copilot the AI assistant that actually

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This one has an incredible title. Sister-in-law selling baby gifts on Facebook 510. 170

more of a gym eye test guy than a gym stats guy. So no numbers for you, but daily dumbbell circuits are serving me pretty well. I like that. They don't, don't pull up my win shares before the

comp either. I'm a 3 and D specialist with long two range and slow feet, so whoever that may be. I'm writing the Alliance Day to ask for some advice and how to deal with some family drama. Background, my wife and I just turned 42 boys, 810 years old, congratulations. My brother and his wife are five years our junior have two kids as well, four year old boy and an 18-month-old girl. We all live in the same city where we grew up. My brother and I very close. Our wives are friendly,

but at very different personalities. My wife is more outgoing and direct. My sister-in-law is introverted and avoids conflict. We make it concerted effort to spend time together so the cousins get to know each other and hang out as a family at least monthly. Both families have good middle class plus incomes and are financially secure. Now for the situation that you help with. Great prologue, man. Great stuff. I don't need to tell Sir Rudy that kids are a big up front

investment. Car seat strollers, cribs, clothes, all sorts of toys. He doesn't need to tell you that right, Sir Rudy. No. Okay. That's going to run the other $50,000 for the babies even born.

“However, most of this paraphernalia goes from essential to everyday life to use this clutter”

after the first couple of years of the kids' life. When my nephew was born, it was a perfect

time where my boys had grown out of the baby stage. You were more than happy to give a lot of our old stuff to my brother and they were happy to receive it. It eased the financial burden on them, helped free up the space in our house and also helped connect the families just a little bit. It's cool to see our niece and nephew wearing the same clothes and enjoying the same toys our kids did. As the families of grown, this is continued with toddler toy sports equipment, etc.

Sounds like a win-win all around, right? Well, it was until recently my wife noticed some fair familiar items for sale on Facebook marketplace. Turns out our niece has started to age out of the baby stage. My sister-in-law has put some clothes on high-chair and some other items we've given them for sale. This rattled my wife as these were gifts and while we know that we no longer have any right to tell them what to do with the items it feels wrong for them to profit from them.

Would be fine if they donated them to some other friends expecting your family or to good will or at least ask this if it'd be okay if they started selling it online, but it doesn't appear that any of that was considered. To make matters worse, my wife's sister is expecting

your first child in June. It would be nice if we could have the option to offer her some of the

hand-me-downs. This problem isn't going away either as our niece will soon be growing out of bigger ticket items, strollers at car seats and I'd hope that those would be treated differently, but who knows at this point? It sucks because this makes us less inclined to continue to offer the items as our kids grow up. For example, my youngest is growing out of his first set of golf clubs. They're decidedly not blades smart. That was funny. I watched the range yellow jacket

used a couple different eight irons hit the blade the best at all. I don't know. I don't know what to

“do. Maybe I'm a blades guy. Maybe that's what it's got. Yeah. Yeah, just fucking, he's special this”

one over here. All right, we'd love to invite them over to share in a single course late and give them to my nephew, but I don't really want to see them online for $50 in two years. How should we approach this? Are we being too possessive and should we just let it go and charge it to the game? Or are they being kind of shitty and should we confront them about it? My default would normally be Kyle's go to advice and making a few jokes about it as to not make it a big deal. When the

same time, let them know that we noticed. However, as mentioned earlier, my sister-in-law is not really confrontational. My sister-in-law is really non-confrontational and my wife isn't afraid of conflict, so I'm not sure either them would be able to navigate the subtlest required in that situation and it may make things worse. Well, the tough thing is, right? I mean, at one point, like, what you want to, do you want them to offer it back to you so you can store it in your garage? You know,

you don't want that. I think the thing that you could use to broach this is like, hey, you know, but keep it up with you on Facebook lately. Who is this person? They said her sister-in-law or somebody in the family is expecting and they're like, I was hoping to wife sister. Yeah, I was actually

“hoping we could maybe, you know, cycle this stuff around. Like, that's how that's how we grew up and”

I was hoping that we could do the same thing. You know, I'm just, just what, like, I don't care that you're doing this. I don't find it ugly. I was just hoping, you know, why was this in passing and was saying that, oh, my sister actually has stuff that maybe could go to you. I know they're not using it anymore. Like, there's a way to do that out of like an earnest thing instead of like, hey, I've been watching what you've been up to. Right. Right. The the wife sister is the built-in

get out of jail free card here because you can kind of bring it like it. If you didn't have somebody else to give it to you, it's like, hey, yeah, like, what do you want me to just give it back to you? And it's going to sit and you don't want that shit right now. It creates like a weird dynamic. Yeah, somebody, I mean, we, we got a bunch of stuff from on something called cousins and then my, my sister's pregnancy, we're going to get her a bunch of stuff. I mean, I get angst that I'm,

I'm sitting in a play room right now. I'm not in my usual space because we got some work

and done in the house, but there's just, there's shit everywhere. And it, it gives me incredible anxiety.

So like, I understand, like, you're getting that stuff out of there and getting the clutter out. But I'd be bummed, like, I'm looking at this, like, kind of like, dollhouse thing over here.

like, I'd probably say something three years. It's like, not, three years. It's like, not three years.

This is a small thing. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, like, the small, like the clothes, like some of the clothes, that doesn't matter. Like golf clubs, like, yeah, like that, I would, I would be like, hey, I'm not giving this to you if you're just going to give it to, you know, if you're going to sell it for your own profit in two years. Um,

“but I think, I think the sister thing is the built-in excuse. You bring her up and you say, hey,”

can we, can we get some of the stuff back that we can use? And then they'll probably think twice

about putting on Facebook because they know maybe they're just like, kind of oblivious. They don't realize. So you're going to correct all the stuff that's on there. Yeah. No, no, no, yeah, they basically don't want to know this. But I think that's, I think that's the, I think that's the built-in excuse there. If they shouldn't really get that offended by, I wouldn't be offended by that. I also wouldn't sell stuff. Somebody else is stuff on Facebook marketplace. Yeah, I mean, imagine if like, you're, you're playing this out there in the kitchen and you're in the kitchen. All right, separate. Oh, I like this.

All right. And so they're going, you gave us the stuff. Like, this is you not being in the conversation. Two separate houses,

imagine the conversation. Because you're sitting there with your wife being like, they're selling our shit.

Well, it's not your shit anymore. Um, it doesn't look good. It's not a good look. I would be annoyed if I were your wife. I'd be annoyed if I were you. But when they're in their house, say you even brought this up, they're parking the car. They're walking through the kitchen and your brother's wife is going, they gave us this stuff. Like, what am I supposed to do? So I'm just telling you it like tread lightly on this one. I've seen, we're talking about game of thrones. Like, pill tribes have been separated over less. Now, this is, this can be like really family fracturing shit.

Yeah, but I'll push back. Brian, no, like, this is, I mean, I don't know. I grew up in a talent household.

“Like, we were, everyone was in each other's shit all the time, right? And we shared stuff and that's how. And it's less like that now.”

I think it's a certainly a generational thing. But this is just like, this is a, this is a, this is how it works. Your wife's not Italian, right? She is not Italian. Yeah. My, my mom's only 50% Italian and that was, oh, it was a conversation, you know, back in the day, you know, things work that okay. I think they actually ended up like in her more than some of the other ones, but it's okay. But, but this is how the family dynamic works though. Like, people give other people stuff that then just keeps, it's the cycle keeps going until that thing basically is like to turn to dust or it's broken.

Grab a can't fix it anymore. You don't get really interesting for your own profit, especially if you didn't buy it. So I, I have to gently push back on that. Like that, that to me and maybe that's an Italian thing. I probably is not, but that's how it literally works in our thing. And I'm not saying it's a whole in this guy's story, but he said, like, you know, if it was, to goodwill, it's one thing. It's like, why? Because they don't get anything out of it. Like, if you're donating it, it's better. I mean, the whole thing is it's getting rid of it. And they're not taking stuff to then turn around and sell it, you know what I mean?

They're, they're using it until it's, you know, pushed up against the wall and it's, it's stressing them out. Like, not unlike Serruti here. So I think like, if you ended up actually getting into how you feel about it. Like, remember that you're saying it's actually okay. If they get rid of this shit by, like, so, oh, some ways okay and some ways aren't okay. I know why it feels a little gross, but when you say it out loud, you know, Judge Judy would shut this down. I hate to bring her back into this, but she'd be like, you know, once it's out of your possession, you really should stop worrying about it so much.

Yeah, by the letter of the law, that is true, but that's not how like it's not the letter of the law, but it's like, if you want it because you want them to give it to someone else, I can understand that. Especially if you have someone else in mind, but if you're just saying, like, I don't want to give them this because I know for a couple years, they're not going to want to store it. Just like, I don't want to store it. I mean, that's, you got to lighten up a little bit about that. I think I just think it's a lot to ask somebody to go, hey, she's my wife's having, you know, my wife's sisters having a kid, so all the stuff that we gave you, can you give some of it back? Or you can just say, so Rudy, you could also just say, I'm wondering if you still have that. You don't have to say, I saw that you've been selling this shit. You could just be like, I'm wondering what you have, you know, if you have some of those, those baby books or the stuff with the like the sensory stuff.

Yeah, but that turns into if you're the other part of their going, so so you didn't give me your loaning this all of the stuff is kind of known to me. Yeah. All right. I know what it's really, it's like, you're right, your way is likely the right way, it's just not the way most people work. And even if the brother agrees with his brother, he can't agree with his brother. He can't be like, you know, they made a good point. You are selling their stuff. He can't say that to his wife. Like, my cousin gave us her bass in that. It's not cheap.

We had two kids were done. We gave it back or it's going to my sister. Like, this isn't like a, hey, like, this is ours now. I never looked at as that is our property. Now there are certain things. I guess that's a bigger ticket.

“And if they're certain lower grade, okay, it's probably not, but like the big thing is like, if you sold it, if you sold it, how would that go over your family?”

I think she would be, I don't think she'd care, but I would care. And if you're parents found out they might, you know, something. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's just rude. Like, I might have a net stark on our hands over here.

I just think that's rude. Like, especially if you know that there's going to be other people, not even.

“Hey, I'm with you. I, I think it's rude to kind of, you know, but I don't think it's like, a grieges what they're necessarily doing.”

I'm just talking like, I've seen this happen over some stupid little thing with a family. It blows up the argument. And next thing you know, the cousins are hanging out anymore. I've seen it. Hmm. Is that worth it? No. That would depend on the approach. It would depend on the approach. I think.

If it's not like, hey, I want some of that stuff back. You're like, oh, you know, it was just thinking.

I was wondering if you had any of those like, you know, baby books that your kids are too big for. I was wondering if you still, I was in the garage somewhere. I, you know, and if they say no, then it's no. If it maybe sparks something in their head, like, hey, before I put the next round of shit, whatever.

“But I think, I think the non-convertational way, which is going to be tough because this guy's wife is like ready to go out.”

It sounds like she's up for her. She's up for a good conversation.

Right. But remember, some of the stuff's already been sold. Yes. Okay. You don't have to let him know. You know that.

You just turn the faucet off. If that makes you feel a little bit better about this. This means it's going to be like 10 years with these golf clubs that you're not giving to the other kids waiting on this new kid who hasn't been born yet. So those are going to be in your garage for a while. But maybe you cut off the faucet and if they make a comment of like, oh, hey, you know, you're doing it. It's like, well, maybe the brother says to the brother is like, like, like, I'm just going to tell you like when your wife started selling some of the stuff and then her sister was having a kid.

It wasn't her favorite thing that's ever happened. And maybe you and your brother have that kind of relationship you work it out. So we're trying to see her see, yeah, well, that's blue and the garage. And you both realize like, I don't want to do this and like, I don't want to do it either. And it's been addressed and the stuff's already been sold. So like, I don't know. I just think it's a lot.

“I'm sorry. I think your version of like, what is possible is the ideal one.”

I unfortunately, I think, I think that's rare. I looked at your laboratory thing for Canada there. That was good. Did you? Yeah. I was like, wait, is this Canadian email? It is nice. Oh, it is. Sort of you mad now.

No, I'm not mad at all. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm irked on with this person's behalf because I just, again, I just, I just think it's rude. But like, is it going to ruin my friend, but relationship with my family now? But I don't know. When you buy those big ticket items, I feel like that's, and you didn't buy it. I don't think it's your right to sell it. Push back Thursday. I like it. Yeah.

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