Knicks Are Champs! What Now for the Spurs? Plus the Biggest Offseason Dominoes With Brian Windhorst

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June 28 terms at dkng.co/audio. The next win a title, it always feels a little extra when it's

New York City and sitting back watching that game last night. Senator Tone gets off to their very

“now comical pattern of getting up big, stifling defense and I think it's something weird”

happened. And my stubbornness of picking them, you're like, man, they look pretty good right now. And then I think down eight in the fourth quarter New York's down eight. And I'm like, you're still in this. Exposure to do the exact same thing. And Jame and Bronson happened again. Hit 45 points in a closeout game for an NBA title, rare or five company for this one. And he had 45 points of the next 94. This wasn't like a 1-21 10 game where he had 45 points.

He's basically scoring every other basket for an entire game for the next the closest one out. In the fourth quarter of the NBA finals, Bronson averaged 11 points per game in just the fourth quarter on 51 and 43% shooting splits. He had 29 in the second half of last night's game in 15 points in the fourth quarter. And if you look at this next finals run and what he was tasked with throughout this series, like, yeah, you had the cat game two. It was about it.

You had OG incredible in game three in game four defense scoring the tip and in game four.

You've got the bridges game to 20 points. But they give you're going through how many other guys stepped up consistently every single night. Again, OG was terrific. I'm going to give him all the praise in a little bit here. But it wasn't like there was two guys every night that he could count on

“offensively. These are the kinds of guys that I think once you get past”

whoever you've picked wherever you're from and sure I can understand plenty of you just being annoyed by New York City. But and this isn't like some arrogant, ridiculous fan base that wins every year and becomes insufferable. Sure, like we could get into all that. Like, well, and this fans do this. And I don't want to do that. What I want to do is admit that, yes, and you can probably figure out if you've been listening to this show long enough, is that there are certain

guys and they get a little bit closer depending on how I felt about their career. I'm like, I'd rather this player win a championship than say this other player. I don't think that list is all that long of guys that I would be like, you know what, I just don't want proof of concept

He's someone I think that neutral parties can root for and feel good about. Yes, I'm annoyed

“being wrong about picking the spurs of the NBA finals. But once I started to see it happening”

again in the fourth quarter where I'm like, I don't care what the lead is. They're going to blow this one too. It's because of this guy. And, you know, there was a moment when he's up there, unanimously winning the finals MVP. Thank you to the voters for not trying to be cute or clever or do something different because there is no doubt. He's the only option to vote for finals MVP. So I felt good for him. I felt good for him up there celebrating. I felt good for him

saying the right things. And, you know, look, this is somebody that none of us would ever think that he would be this. If you don't believe me, you can listen to his father or him. Jalen Bronson on the post games like, I didn't think I'd be this good. His dad's sitting next to him going like, I didn't I didn't think this. And even though it feels like a rule after team wins a title and they're carried by one player like this. It's like, Hey, where is he rank? Is he? Did he move ahead of

“Janis? Did he move ahead of Yoke? It's in your like, you know what? This is like the worst possible”

time to do any of this stuff. And it's kind of irrelevant because it feels like you're being negative about somebody who owns the NBA right now. And, whatever it is, it is, it's beyond what the stats are. It's beyond like who would you trade for? Who's the most valuable? It's that, despite what the other four people around him are doing are not doing. You can count on him in all of these huge spots. And yeah, I mean, whether it's him being small and being drafted late and not having a

great playoff run with Dallas, one of those years and then the contract to these signs of the next you're like, man, I don't know. And Dallas is like, All right, look, that's a lot of money. Like, we have to be flexible moving forward. And then he's sitting there at the top of the mountain top with this next team that wasn't like it was a 67 win team in the regular season when we were starting off in October saying it's their league and it's going to be a massive disappointment if they

don't want a championship. So a lot of these storylines all fit together because this is somebody

that clearly would always be overlooked in the way we look at basketball. I don't know that it

puts the bed forever that you, well, you shouldn't have absolute since say you can never win with a small guard because we've had small guards win as I mentioned last week. It's not necessarily anyone's preference, but this guy did it. And I do think he's, he's a likable number one. When you think of him in comparison to some of the other players. So I think I would have to think that a lot of basketball fans is by how you felt about the series or who you were rooting for,

all that kind of stuff. Like, you're not watching Brunson up there feeling any resentment. Honestly,

“I don't know, that would, if spurs fans, I totally get it because that's what you're supposed to”

do, but neutral fans. I don't know. All right. Another thing that I love, too, is that as Brunson, the first few games in, like the shooting numbers weren't very good, there was also the net number where it was what three games in and it looked like the nicks based on the net rating of all of the players that Brunson was negative nine points in the net rating. I looked at the numbers again this morning. He was plus two for the series, his net rating. That was the seven best on the

nicks. 12 points worse than cats plus 14 rating, which I like these numbers more than I dislike them, but the way we can be married to box score plus minus and the net rating, the on/off, like, hey, well, if this guy's on the court in this and then this means this, that means you have to play all the shit and it's like, cats, advanced stuff is going to be looked back at historically going,

he had an amazing series. His box score is nuts. The winch shares for all of those numbers are off

the charts and what you realize is like Brunson's the one out there taking all the hits when cats and foul trouble again and then Brunson brings them back at fourth quarter and because they've been sitting cat the entire time, he's rested, he's going to get a million rebounds and his net rating looks like it's it's so much better, like he was somehow more impactful and as we all know, that is not what happened in this series at all. The nicks are really interesting roster built

because Leon rose in this group, you know, people have tried this before, where it's like let's bring in the agent who has all these relationships that will help us recruit free agents. You pair that with New York City and MSG, like this is going to be ridiculous. I mean, think about all the arrows and speculation that we've made in the past about, well, oh, this guy's running this, like we used to think Jay-Z was going to get a bunch of people to the net, people used to

argue that Michael Jordan was going to have an unfair advantage and free agency with the bobcats.

The problem is that Jordan was one of the worst owners sports is ever known because he's MJ,

he'll forever get a pass and they weren't even going to spend any money on anybody. Anyway, so that stuff normally doesn't work. People have tried the agent route before ownership to give the keys. Hey, I'm going to do something different. CA is as powerful as it gets. Leon rose comes in and we start thinking like, man, they're going to get this guy. They're going to get all the

I mean, eventually, they got a Kentucky guy in there, but they paid a lot to Brunson,

“where I think that was met with, and I made them a stake at the time where I'm like, all right,”

he's good, but damn, I think that was a consensus thing, unless you were Nick's fan and you were just lying to yourself. The Bridges trade, all those picks, people didn't even like that trade three months ago. We had people going Minnesota, absolutely won the cat trade, which I think enough I was like, do they re-win it again after the finals? Um, and then you have the OG trade, where it was smart because they didn't want to have to pay quickly and they didn't want to have to

pay RJ Barrett. And even though RJ, I think is a more polished offensive player. I always joke about

adjusted ceilings for some of these players like OG and Adobe now is an adjusted ceiling guy for me now. He will, I will always look at him differently because of what he's done the last two months. However, when you traded for him because you were kind of going two for one and feeling like you were getting the better player, which you were, OG was somebody didn't play in a lot of games. Over four seasons stretched, these are his game totals, 43, 48, 67, and 50 games in the season that

he was straight. And then the knock on OG was like, you know, when he just feels a little tweak,

“he's guys just not going to play. Yeah. So that's why it misses a ton of games. And instead,”

it's like, thank God for OG and Adobe, because without him, without his production, I don't think the next one of the finals. Cat. I think it's fitting he had two points in the close-up game that he was in constant

foul trouble in the finals and the second round against the sixers, and that he didn't shoot

enough, which was just sort of strange. There are some times where cat wasn't shooting enough where I thought that he was being ignored too. So it wasn't entirely on him, but it felt like they got him more involved in the offense as we all kind of like bought into this, they've unlocked point guard cat. Honestly, Brunson just went crazy in the fourth quarter. So I don't know that it was like, yes, I'm aware of a game too, but it wasn't like this was every single game.

He was not the defensive liability that we had all come to accept that can you get to an NBA finals. Can you win an NBA finals with Brunson at the top of the defense and cat is your back line defender? And I guess it works now, which may say more about San Antonio's plan of attack than all of a sudden these guys stepping up and becoming huge defenders. And I know once you get into the rule of rings, we're just supposed to round up on everything cat, but I think this series,

it just, I end it with, I'm not going to do that and I do not know what to do with Carl Anthony Towns. He's a champ. He's a winner. He did it. I'm still confused. San Antonio, Wendon Yama. Welcome to the roommate theory. The more you get to know someone, human nature is the more likely you'll are to dislike that person. And for Wendon, it's so early, it's so early, right? But you could see people starting to get a little sick of them.

That's up with this French guy. The things that we thought were cool about his workout regiment hanging out with the monks. It goes from like, well rounded culturally to that. I just

“weird. And you get more access to them. And here's the thing. When you lose and we get more access”

to you, that tide starts to turn. And you have people questioning him as the next big thing, which, you know, again, I don't know how much of that is true. But I think he's in a spot very similar to Kilo Niel, who also in his third season made it to the NBA finals, getting swept in 1995 against a came in the Houston Rockets. And it's kind of like, well, if this guy is this good. But again, they were a head of schedule 30 years ago. San Antonio was a head of schedule. I wonder if Mitch

Johnson was someone that was supposed to develop as coach with a roster that was supposed to be developing. We can get to their bench. But can we really get on the front office's case for not having a bench built to win an NBA title when they didn't even make the playoffs last year? Like, I get you're supposed to do everything you can to maximize the roster. But they're still trying to figure out, like, if any of these guys were good, and a lot of them are going to be really

special, whether it's Castle, whether it's Harper, or even Carter Bryant. You know, I've thought that he showed some signs. I don't really feel like talking about the Aaron Fox right now. It's all been set. So I think for women, yam, it'd be in the crosshairs this early. It's just a product of being

in the NBA finals and more people that had no opinion on them whatsoever, because they just never

spent any time with them. I don't know. And again, that's just the cost of losing. So I don't know that it's like nasty, but it's definitely a shift, a shift for a guy where it was either praise

stronger that man strength that kicks into your mid to late 20s, holding position, getting to your

“position a little bit better. He's just going to be older, and that's what's going to happen. So it's”

not about getting into the weight room and all that kind of stuff. Like, sometimes your body is just not ready unless you're just one of these free high school running backs. Five star got it to your junior. Like, whose dad is that? And you're like, no, he's a junior. But he needs to figure out what his face up game is going to be. It was a really full circle moment for me, and that as much as we all just looked at him as a draft prospect and went, my God, like, what is even, like, what limitations

do you put on this? But then it's like, okay, if he's seven, four, seven, five, I want to go the ramp route and try to shake guys with the dribble. Like, the ramp's really the only guy at that size that can get past that two dribble into his shot. Like, can keep the dribble going and get to where he needs to go at that size that I've really ever seen because it's just hard. It's just physics to be that big and to be keeping a handle that tight through traffic and play off track, play off

intensity. There's going to be all sorts of amazing when begins. We already saw them. Okay, we've seen them in the playoffs, but for the intensity and what he needs is face up game to be, it's just not there yet. I would also add everyone around him needs to figure out a way to not fucking ignore him for seven to eight minutes stretches in these games. There's a play and I have no criticism for Harper whatsoever. It's a very late in the game. Harper has all the attention he's driving

left. He's into the paint when he slips where it would have been off sides and soccer superlocked into the world cup right now. Wendy's behind everybody. All it is is a simple lob up. Harper's

head is down and Harper actually scores. So you can sit there and say, you shouldn't be critical

about it, but it's very clear there's too many of these possessions where they forget who their teammate is. And it's obvious a problem because I'd be looking at every ATO and a lot of these time outs, the priority was Wendy and a better position and people being told, make sure you're looking

“for him on this play. And I think when San Antonio and the staff think back on this series,”

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building at San Antonio for game five from ESPN and the host of the hoop collective, Brian Winhorst. How will you remember this finals? Um, good question. Great games. Lopsided a result. We deserved more than five. Um, but we we've we've had numerous seven game series that we didn't get as many good games as we got here. Um, and I kind of feel like there's actually in my head even now. I can't even remember like what happened in game one versus game two versus game four versus game five because

they all kind of were the same. They all look those the next wins kind of look the same. They fell behind. They walked them down. Um, and you know, and in, you know, Brunson was not a strong game one too, but they I kind of feel like if they played best of nine, we would have just seen

“game six turn into what we the will be seen in the other games. I think it was like an established”

routine. That said, there was highly entertaining. Um, and it was, it was, you know, it was terrific to, I know that it was, um, I know that it was probably a bummer for Nick's fans that the Nick's

wanted on the road, but it's always a little easier when you cover a team that wins on the road,

because the players aren't running out of there, you know, is easier to get conversations with players and people when they're not running out into the streets like Aaron Gordon, you know what I mean? And so, um, I had a great opportunity to talk some of the Nick's folks after and some of the Nick's family. Um, and I won't just remember some of those, I mean, I was with the Nick's Ryan in Abu Dhabi to start the season. Um, and I did not think I was around a team that was going to be

there at the end, not because I thought they sucked or something, but, you know, they were, they were dealing with the transition to Mike Brown at the time. And he was trying to do some really different things. And, um, you know, they had a good team, but I wasn't sure it was a great team. They thought it was a great team. They were right. Um, and to, you know, think about the practice that I first

went to see them in Abu Dhabi. And I always think of all NBA seasons or journeys and the season

is so long. And to think about, you know, being with them in that practice in Abu Dhabi and then being with them when they were all, you know, posing with the trophy. Um, you know, it was just,

“I mean, that's what I kind of remember. But I know that that won't be the, the average fans”

memory, but Jalen Bronson had one of the all-time great closeout games, especially on the road. It's a top five road closeout game. Now, because it was only game five and that like it wasn't like do or die, it may not hold up to some of the other ones. But it's an all-time great closeout game. That's what the stats say. Don't you agree? Yeah, absolutely. And I would say some of the other closeout games with big-time numbers. There may have been one other person that you could count

on offensively. And I know OG was like from a box score standpoint and look, I love OG. So this isn't

negative about him whatsoever. But you're still asking Bronson to basically do this all on his own

and continue to do it. So even though there were some shooting numbers, there were some net numbers that weren't great for Bronson, he hit huge shots to close it out in game one. Game two, he hits the one that ties it up. He did miss the one that couldn't put him ahead. It just it's asking a lot of somebody regardless of his size. It's asking a lot of somebody like he can you save us every single fourth quarter. Right. And that's from like the positive sides of the

“story. That's what I'll remember because that's that's the epitome of like the great basketball”

players in the history of this game when it's all up to you. Can you solve it? And he did. Well, in the first two games of this series, he shot 34%. And I remember talking in my producer is at the various shows at ESPN and I was like, okay, put SGA's numbers up there, put ant Edwards numbers up there. And I know Ant had the knee injury, but I was like, put Denny obvious numbers up there. Let's show the trail of tears from the star players against Spurs. And you know,

his scoring was up there because he had 30 in the first game on 31 shots, but he was having that, you know, the area 51 was having the same effect. And they were up too well. Like, you know, but they were up too well when they won by, you know, Invictor missed the 18 footer, whatever it was in game two. Well, the last three games, he shot almost 50% from the field. And I think he was like 10 of 22 from three. Or maybe even maybe even like 10 of 19. Anyway, anyway, he, the last three

games, he quote unquote, figured it out. He was able to find ways to to get, to, to take advantage of it.

has a chance to have a big time career as a, as a broadcaster. Number one, he's very entertaining.

“Number two, he's very, very good at describing players and he's very emotive. And he was talking”

about how, when you're a guard and you're a ball handler, your goal is to get the, is to get the angle or to get the drop on the defender. You know, you want to, you want to get the angle so that you can, you know, force a, force a foul or something like that, or, you know, just get past your defender. And he's like, Brunson scores when he doesn't have angles. He scores when he gets even with guys.

And he was describing that. I mean, that's something as a non player I would never think about.

He was just fascinated by it because Shumpert was a defender. You know, that was the majority of his career. And he was like, you know, I always felt like if I had the guy even, you know, I had the edge. And you know, you know, you know, I'm talking about like where he's, um, yeah, some of it's the wrong footstuff, some of it's like that left side. Like he gets that layup up off of the glass where it looks like he has no angle against the defender. And it goes, it feels like it goes in every time.

Yeah, he's a master of angles, just in general. Um, um, and so another thing is, um, he turned his ankle over on the on the Wimbledon Yama play. Like, you know, sometimes you see guys that are sort of hunting for flagging reviews. They lay on the ground until the referee is go over there. And I thought that initially, and, you know, he's been dealing with ankle problems, um, you know, for years, you know, when I saw the replay, he rolled that ankle over pretty good.

And so I assume that he was dealing with some level of discomfort on his way to 45. So, you know, I don't want to be the ankle zag guy here, but there are times when you can turn it scares the shit out of you and you're like, oh my God, I'm okay. And I thought on that one, he stayed down to sell it. And I have no sympathy for the leg kick out guys. And I know everyone disagrees with me. It's his one piece in his space, but he stayed down in the

fetal position selling it. And then once he yelled at Tyler Ford, they called the time out, I thought he was fine after. So maybe there was discomfort that was moving forward specifically. That's fine. That's fine. You were on the ground. Your position is what your position is that he moved into women beyond space there, because he did a little bit. I know what the rule is, but the correction on the zazak, why thing has done more harm than good, okay? And people

continuously stick out that leg, but then on the broadcast, anybody that's underneath the landing,

even if the shooter's legs are pitched forward, because here's what happens on these uncontested

things. The guys don't go nearly as forward on these shots as they do when they're trying to figure

“out a way to get free throws. And probably the only thing that I would say, I was annoyed about last”

night was that Brunson was was getting rewarded on a lot of stuff. They're late, but he also had 45 points and the layups and the three. So that's not what happened. And one thing that I love from San Antonio's defenders is they finally figured out to stay down on like when Brunson drives and comes back the other way. You just have to stay down. You have to stay down. And then Castle can't help himself. Harper has about one their late, but specific to the women yama thing. I know everyone

disagrees. The entire broadcast disagrees with me. I don't think you should be rewarding guys. Brunson is trying to get that foot contact there on top of everything else. And then he makes the shot. So yeah. So yeah. But so what do you think they would have done?

Oh, with the flagrant. I thought when these third flagrant was kind of ridiculous, but at that point,

you know, it's not like you're going to go back or send it. It's so funny. Right. The third flagrant, the, the non-called third flagrant was bad. The called third flagrant, you know, it's funny that you're saying that, but yeah. The non-called one honestly, I'll just admit being too online. I

“got to say it was like, yeah, big guys shoved a small guy. And that's what happened. Like,”

when he's getting shoved on every single one of these lobs and no one cares about any of it. And so I know, I mean, that's, it's because I was saying we're all thinking about it. Because I don't think Ford and everyone is processing it fast enough to go, don't give when we, the flake don't call it on the floor. I don't really have to view it. That's an absurd ass to think that the rest of that calculated going if we call it and then have to review it, then he's going to be suspended

for games six because that'll be his fourth point. Right. So, okay. So let me pull the curtain back. So at finals games, the media seeding is usually very poor. So I don't go out into the bowl.

And, you know, that's really, really valuable to have them. Like a lot of, you know, because

“sometimes you have to walk right out and you haven't even heard the press conference and you have to”

you know, immediately have analysis and you know, having those guys with me is very valuable. Anyway, the long story short, I'm sitting with Tim Bontham. Tim Bontham's the last three years is the poor reporter during the final. So whenever there's some sort of, a poor reporter is designated before the game. Whenever there's some sort of drama that happens where the referee has to give an interview, one designated reporter goes, does the interview with the referees and then his back and forth is

disseminated to everybody. So that's Bontham's role. He's never actually had to do it in three years.

So now we know, in fact, Bontham's officially asked the NBA, he's like, hey, this was the first half, you know? Like, okay, we're going to, we are going to want a poor report to talk to Scott Foster about this play. The NBA granted it. And so the plan was there to be a poor port. So I spent some time with Bontham's crafting the question that he was going to ask Scott Foster and depending on

“how Scott Foster played the answer, we were crafting the second question because you typically”

will give the question to, you know, in advance the referee can be prepared for it, but you certainly can ask a follow-up. And so with, like, spend all this time and like, you know, we're debating, like, what do you think that they're going to say, what do you think they're going to

do? And like, there were some other calls in the game that were not going the next way.

And I was thinking, oh my god, like the next two days, you know, you know, if the spurs win, like the next two days are going to be just dominated by what's going to happen and, and like, you know, the rule is going to come down. Once they're going to come down, they're going to have come down on Sunday, where they wait till Monday morning, you know, like, so it was potentially a major, major, major storyline that is now again lost to history. We didn't do the poor port because

the game was over and it's not relevant. The championship was over. The trophy has been awarded, but it would have been fascinating. And I will just tell you this, yes, that play is reviewable. Yes, there can be a flagrant upgrade that is within the rules absolutely. There is very, very, very little history of the NBA awarding flagrant files to players on flagrant files where there were as a foul, not called. It has happened as every warrior's fan is screaming. What about

Drainman? Yes, that is an example of when it happened. It actually happened to LeBron once during

“the conference finals. I think back in '07 or '08, where he threw an elbow and hit Chris Weber,”

and they upgraded it to a flagrant after the game. And like nobody even knew about it because it was not, it was a play that was the game wasn't close and it wasn't, you know, all doing that. So but it is a, it is a, it is a scant history of them doing it. It is, it is really happened a very few number of times over the last 20 years. So I probably would have thought that regardless of whether you felt like they were screwing the nicks or whether they were favoring Wimbledon Yama

or whatever, I think I would have probably leaned to the fact that they would not have upgraded that regardless of what you, or what anybody saw. I don't think they would have. And if you want to lose, I mean, I don't believe a lot of conspiracies, but I have to think if it's like a tie. Right. There you go. Tie. We really want to suspend this game. A Hall of Famer in a game in a elimination game. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't mean to go

on a rant about that, but I mean it was, it was fascinating that what could have been with that. And Jalen Branson took care of all of it with some brilliant play down the stretch of the game. There are teams when they win. It's like this defiant, no one believed in us. And look, they were underdogs in the series. I picked him in every series prior to this, but I just started despising every team in the East more and more as the East played out. That was part of

the calculus and getting the finals picked wrong. But there there seem to be a bit more joy from this group. I don't know if that's a personality thing. I don't know if it's if it's they avoided kind of being the target and feeling disappointing, even though they'd made it the Eastern Conference finals last year. I don't think the loss of the Pacers necessarily like some terrible thing, even though, you know, in the way that those early games played out. Probably a lot of on their side.

Maybe they're just a more likable group, Brian. You would have a great perspective on this and comparing them to others. But they felt just like a bunch of guys that like each other that appreciated the moment is opposed to like calling out Vendetta's that seemed to be the norm on these

nights. That's also because Branson sets the standard. Branson would never do that. Who knows

if Branson does when he's with his buddies or on his text chains, but he Branson would not do that.

is that they very clearly love each other. Obviously rooted in the Villanova connection.

The crowd has had long ago falling in love with them. That's the thing is that New York fans are known for sort of being cynical and being brutal and being tough on their players. That was not the way they were with this team. I mean, you know, like obviously if, you know, when Branson just can't hit a shot for two weeks, you know, they're going to be on them a little bit. But for the most part, the games that I went to, I've gone to at the garden the last couple of years, they just hugged

“this team. They loved this team. They adored them. And I think that came out in this run. And I will just”

say, you know, I made the mistake last year of underestimating them against the Celtics. And when they won those two games, they made those big comebacks. I felt that they were, you know, freaks, you know, you know, that, you know, that I thought the Celtics were going to still win the series. Very clearly I was incorrect. And after they won that series conventionally, I was done doubting them. And so like when, you know, the calves were saying what they were saying

or even people who doubted them against the hawks, not me. No, no, I learned my lesson. And even even yesterday's game, I was, I was, I'm not saying when they were down 16, I was prepared to slap

a $100 bill down and say, you know, bet. But I was, I never thought they were out of the game.

I thought the whole first half is ugly as that half was. They stayed connected like professionals. They never panic. They knew exactly what they were doing. And I was like, we, you know, they got it down to like, six, five or six there in the second half. And I was like, well, the only question left is whether the nicks are going to win by 10, 7 or 5, you know, like I, I just was very clear to me that the nicks were going to win that game because it's who they are. And if they had

“played best of nine, best of 11, best of 13, I think the nicks keep winning games like that,”

because that's, that's the way that that they're built. And so 16 and three, nine, 16 and three in the playoffs. And they win their last nine road games. I mean, you may say, well, they're not beaten, you know, the 86 Celtics or the 17 warriors or the 96 bulls. Like, you may want to say that. All right, fine. I'm not trying to start a fight. 16 and three is 16 and three. Nine straight road wins, nine straight. Well, Robins, you think the other teams weren't good

that they played, you don't, you know, they may not have been the greatest playoff stretch ever, but I thought they had a hard, I thought they had a hard draw. I thought they had the hardest draw on the eastern conference. Now, Tatum got hurt and so they didn't end up getting the self in the second round. I thought they had a hard draw. I thought Atlanta was a tough match up for them.

“I think Detroit would have been tougher than Cleveland based on the regular season stuff that I saw,”

but Detroit offensive limitations were going to be exposed most likely. Totally, but at the start of the playoffs, I felt they had the hardest draw on the east. I thought they had the hardest draw and the most pressure. Even without recessions playing. Naturally. What? Yeah, one more next thing is the first one. Yeah.

Bruns in turning down the extra 113 million. Yeah. It was like the first thing I thought I was like,

because Bruns isn't going to be announced that there's a $30 million discount, which is like, is this going to be a popular story episode? Like, what the fuck? What is happening here? Can he say? He can make up some of it. I mean, the last, you, he can opt out and make up some of it. But yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It's an all-time moment. It's an all-time moment, sorry. Well, I'm with you. I don't really know what to say other than, I can't believe somebody did it

and then the way he talks about it, I actually become less skeptical. Because he's like, I knew I needed help. I knew I needed help. And does it make it easier if it's like, we're going to have room here for bridges that we can bring this guy back. I mean, this is after Hartenstein left. So I mean, if he takes the full boat, they're down one of these guys. Clearly, it's, it's just like, sometimes it's like, man, is anyone ever got? Because I push back,

I like the best free agent signing in NBA history. I think that's where the rounding up after it was one that has me crazy. So it's such a nuanced thing. It's impossible to say in a sentence. It's not LeBron to Miami, end of story. You're saying that this signing is not as impactful as that, is that what you're saying? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I look, I'm not in a position really to say anything negative about Jalen Bronson,

right now. I would just say that when you say the best way of signing or the worst phrase in signing,

That's fine. And I'm with you. I don't want to turn this into like, all right, now let's hear some cracks in the next. So I don't know if this sham at thing, you know, so I'm with you, but it's just to get that lucky for him to develop and then be like, I'm going to be the guy and I'm good. I don't need every last dollar. Well, I just, what I've been saying is it's the epitome of being the captain, you know, they made a really big deal.

“What, you know, could you even go down the NBA teams and tell me who their captains are?”

They made a really big deal when he was named captain because they were, they were like, looking for ways to highlight the monetary thing that he did was so incredible that the next I feel like had, I don't know this to be true. Don't aggregate me on this, okay? But they made such a,

they put out a press release. He was named captain. I'm not saying that's never happened before, but

it's very unusual. And I think they were like, we've got to find a way to celebrate this guy. Any opportunity we can't celebrate this guy, we got to do it. But talk about the epitome of being a captain. So obviously, he sets the entire emotional agenda for the organization. That's very clear. He sets the standard for what, how they play on the court. And talk about a captain, you know, what is captain come from? Captain comes from when you're a kid, you're the captain,

you're the captain, you pick your team. He picked his team. He picked his team. And he said, I'm going to pick my team and I'm going to incentivize you to do that for me by taking, like it's one thing, like I went back and looked. So, you know, the standard for like taking a pay cut to help your team, like it's really kind of dirt, right? You know, like dirt probably

still had a few years left of his prime. And he went from like 22 million down to 8 million.

Don't get into it, too. Okay. Let me ask you look up Duncan. You know, Garnet did it too when

“he was in his prime. You know, this is way down the rabbit hole, but we're on a podcast. That's what”

this is for. When the lockout happened in 97, that was one of the 99, one of the big fights was putting in the max contract, right? Because before you could just get whatever you could negotiate. And there was like two or three players that were Godfathered or grandfathered in where they could still get bigs contracts. Shack was one of them. Garnet was one of them. Maybe Kobe was, but there was a couple more. And so at one point, Garnet was making above the max.

And in theory, he could have continued to make above the max for a long time. And he knew

that the wolves needed help. And so he took a pay cut from 28 million down to 16 million. It took

a 12 million dollar pay cut. Like in 2003 or four, when he's in his prime, it might have even been after he won the MVP award. And so we've seen, let me look up with Duncan did. So we have seen,

“you know, it's not an unheard of take a pay cut, but here's the thing. Yeah, but Garnet did it”

because he had it was like the entire financial world was reset. Right. The team, the team was screwed. But I want to acknowledge that the man took like a 40% pay cut, you know. But my point is I'm going to look up Duncan right now. My point is that was one year or like it, they partially gave back some of their salary. That was not 111 million or 113 million dollars. Yeah. So Duncan in 2012, so this would have been when he already had four titles. He went from 21 million down

to 9.6. That was pretty big cut. That was a pretty big cut. You know, it was 50% pay reduction. But he's, you know, he's 14 years into his career at that point. And all these guys had made their money. Garnet had made his money. Dirk has made his money. They had millions, they had hundreds of millions of dollars that they had gotten. Brunson, yes, I'm not saying he was, you know, keeping an eye on his balance of receiving coverage mortgage. But he had not made a full max

contract yet. Anyway, I could go on and on about this, that act. It wasn't just like, oh my gosh, what a great guy. It was a revolutionary maneuver that has now led to a championship directly, a cornerstone reason why they got this championship. On the spur side, I'm sure I was listening to you with all the guys, and I know him on Shumper's on the latest episode of Recap and the Wind here. But the spurs topic is is complicated. If you're going to be fair, it's complicated. I was

disgusted by their play. I absolutely losing my mind on some of their offensive decisions.

I do, but you get in text from guys where, you know, I'm like, are you seeing what I'm seeing?

Because you don't want to be wrong and people are just going like, I can't believe some of the

“stuff they do. And then I think on the fair side is like, this is the most ahead of schedule”

thing that we've probably seen in the NBA in my time watching it. I don't think that that's I probably what's so ever. I was thinking, like, how have you? When's the last time you ever saw a team that jumped from haven't made the playoffs to favor in the NBA finals with so many of their core guys being three years or less in the league? So Mitch wasn't supposed to be here. The roster wasn't supposed to be here. The bench wasn't supposed to be here, but then you're

favored in it. And you also play away where now I wonder like there's so many guys I love on this team, but there needs to be like a very conscious decision to do some things different here offensively to be able to close out one of these series, no matter how impressive they're going to be in the regular season because of course you're probably going to win 60 plus games again. Right. So, you know, you have a couple of different ways you can look at it. They won 62 games

and beat the thunder. So this was not some like, boy, didn't they fall into this? Like, they earned the right to be there. And they absolutely could have won the championship. It wasn't like somebody blew out their knee and they ended up like falling into the conference finals or something. Like, they won their way in. They were absolutely good enough to win it. But there's a couple of different ways to look at it. Like, on one hand, you look at Dylan Harper and you see the

way he played in these finals and you say, my God, this guy is an absolute stud and he and when Benjama and Castle are going to be rock stars for the next decade that you know, assuming health. And you say, boy, like this was so nourishing for Dylan Harper and to show the spurs how Dylan, you know, how they need to play and, you know, he was a proof of concept.

Because the rookie's always got to prove himself even the number two overall pick has got to prove

himself to be trusted by his coach and his teammates. On the other hand, you can say, where were some of their decisions? You know, it's very hard for me to understand how women Yama played 44 minutes in game four. It's mystifying. There's eight or nine coaches over there. Sean Swine is, you know, one of the best assistant coaches if not the highest regarded

“assistant coach in the league is, you know, he's a magic coach today. How did they let that happen?”

You know, how do they keep, how do they have the Aaron Fox in the position that he was in when he was obviously, because this is one thing. It's one thing that, you know, because people were saying, well, boy, if you, if you bench Fox right now, like you'll lose him forever, he was injured. He was injured. Like, you know, I do think that there was some choking going on, but he was injured. He was not himself. And even if even if even if he wasn't that, like, even if he was

better by the end, you have the injury as the excuse, you know? So, but I just go back to Eric Spolstra

in in 2011. It was his second year. I believe it's head coach. It's Mitch Johnson's second year.

And he coached that team and made the finals. They won, if they didn't win 60 games, they won close to it. They pretty much didn't have that much trouble getting through the East. And then he got, absolutely. I mean, among the things that happened in that series, what was Rick Carlisle, coaching circles around him. You know, they've got J. J. Barrea guarding Lebron. Yeah, you can say that Lebron was not prepared. Just like you can say, Victor was not prepared for certain things

of the series. And you can you can criticize him. Lebron was 22. Victor was 22. They're neither games weren't developed yet, but Eric Spolstra was over there allowing them to, you know, play zone and

“like have no idea what to do about it. And I remember Spolstra, like, was devastated after that series.”

And he, like, like, couldn't sleep for weeks and like, became obsessive about studying how he screwed up. And, you know, and he, he got the benefit of getting the lock out, and that other, that other lock out was in 11. And he, like, emerged with a completely different philosophy on coaching. That was when he said, we got to run and we got to play small and Bosch you're going to play center and we're going to have four shooters on the court with Lebron and

wait or three shooters. I guess you don't count ways of shooter and all that stuff. And I think

I mean, I remember him saying, you know, later, like a year or so later, like, you know,

I'm paraphrasing. He may not have said his exact words, but he's basically said, like, I, I lost

this, that series. I was terrible. I can't believe that awful. I wasn't. I was like, I was like, Spol, like Lebron scored eight points in game. This is the guy scored the job points in, you know, 1500 consecutive games, whatever he had eight points in game five. He makes one or two plays in the fourth quarter of that game. You're up three, two, going home and said a down three, two. Like, don't beat yourself up. He couldn't be, he was inconsoluble on that. He was convinced that he had

not put the team in position to win. And by the way, Lebron, too, Lebron had to go through his own stuff and, and Pat Riley, Andy else, forgot to fix the roster blah, blah, blah, blah. All of

“them had to have that. And I, I, I, I feel the exact same way about this first. I think when”

Ben Yamag goes back and studies this and when Fox goes back and study this and when Mitch Johnson goes back and when and when Brian Wright, their GM goes back, they'll all flap their heads and go, why do we do this? How could we have allowed this to slip through our fingers? And I think it's a normal course of business for a team. And they absolutely are open. And they'll, I think they'll

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“big piece coming up into ESPN dot com, biggest story lines. I think we're day nine hundred and”

full. I don't know how big it is, but it'll be a story that runs on Tuesday on ESPN dot com. It'll, you know, you know, you could make up some shit. I'm going to read that, Brian. The yana stuff heated up at least in the fake stuff this weekend and maybe some hints at

real stuff. So I think this has to be maybe the first storyline that you start with. Yeah.

Expectations. Yeah. The league expects that Yana's going to get traded and I'm so here's where I say, I'll believe it's traded when he's traded because he could still say I want to, I want to resign and I'll free sign on October. That could still happen. But I'm just going to say to you that Yana's absolutely wants to go to the heat like that is something he wants. That I'm not saying it's the only place he would go, but he absolutely wants to go

to the heat. The heat want Yana's and have been making offers for months, right? And, you know, you can, you know, the two sides can get on the witness stand and debate about what an offer is an offer. But we know they've been talking for months and they still haven't done the deal. Okay. So what is, and even if they do the deal tomorrow, even if they do the deal tonight, you know, after this podcast is recorded, just because they do the deal doesn't mean Milwaukee's

in love with it. Milwaukee, if they loved what Miami was offering, they would have done it already, because it's been there for so long. Okay. And so, and like, you know, you can do a trade during the finals. It's a break into quorum, but, you know, it's not illegal. You know, the Durant was traded during the finals last year. So, you know, they don't love the, the, the, the, the Miami deal. And that's not sources said that's obvious. They love the Miami deal. They would

have done the Miami deal. Miami is trying to get them for months. So they may end up doing that. So that's one thing. And then you have some other teams in there and certainly Boston is in there. And, you know, Boston has to, you know, this is not how Boston normally operates, right? And, you know, this Boston doesn't operate negotiating with a player, not negotiating, but like, you know, dealing with a player and also dealing with the team. They don't do Boston's,

first off, Boston doesn't let anything leak. Probably what, seven or last eight major moves came out of the blue. You know, maybe, maybe, maybe there was like some rumbling, okay, drill holiday is probably going to get traded. They got a dumps of money. I don't, we didn't know he's going to Portland, you know, like, we didn't know Brad Stevens was getting hired. We didn't know Brad Stevens was getting promoted to president, all that stuff. Can KKM out of the blue, the hiring,

“when Brad Stevens is announced, it was like, what? I can still, I can still remember. So smart, right?”

So I can still remember the, the, the press release hitting my inbox. And it just said, Celtics higher Stevens. And I was like, Lamar, even too. I didn't know what you're talking about.

And, um, and also when they, when they did the Tatum, when they did the draft night deal,

“I don't know, maybe my memory is flawed. That came out of nowhere, didn't it? So whatever Boston's”

doing, they excel in keeping it quiet. And they also don't typically, you know, do a deal with an agent and then bring the team in later, which is how some, you know, you know, Janis has tried to have a sea of the table. So, um, this is outside Boston's comfort zone, not only the fact that if they traded for Janis, it would signal not just potentially be break up of, you know, the jays who have, who have demonstrated that they are a championship duo and are in their crimes and

under contract. Um, but it would indicate a complete change in the philosophy of the organization. I mean, the philosophy of the way the team plays. It would, I mean, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe

maybe Joe Masula has a, would have a plan. And I'm sure all these conversations have been had.

But if you trade for Janis Tinnacupo, you are completely changing your style of play. And Joe Masula is up there dogmaticly preaching his style of play. So there's some enormous to say, and by the way, obviously the Celtics would have had all these conversations over the last month. But I'm just saying, there's some enormous stumbling blocks and hurdles that you will have to get over as an organization to do this type of deal. It's not as simple as going to the trade

machine, making a trade that that satisfies it and saying, you know, whatever. Like, so all of that is in the ether, as you think about this potential seismic maneuver.

“I think Miami's dealing from like a stale position. And there's also a part of me that can't”

ignore the irony of Tyler Hero wasn't enough to get the game. Deal done. That is enough to get great. It's different to use different times, different negotiations. And there's more to it. It's where it's a pick. Maybe, you know, it's, it's one of the guys that've had prior that that's still has some value. But as I compare it to the Boston package, like I could see Boston go, you know, we already know this works. Whatever, I thought Mozilla

had a horrible series in that series against Philadelphia. Okay. But we, but we know the core of this works. We know that these guys for the most part of the entertainment missing this time, these guys

play all the time. Yannis is ended the season. How many times and it comes with a 275 million dollar

tab that we have to pay. And if we don't have a stretch five, like a broklo pez, the reason why that Milwaukee spent all of that money and made all those maneuvers just for miles turner where there should be something that room going is miles turner going to cost us $250 million or $250 million. $250 million, $250 million. Like maybe we don't do that just because he's a stretch five. Oh my god. Oh my god. That is that really one of the wildest maneuvers. It wasn't just the maneuver itself,

but everything that they did, there were so many different points where they were bed like, we sure we want to do this. And like they, you know, they're had to do like the room. Everybody should we still do this? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh my god. I, and then he's out there. And I like miles a lot. I like him. I got to know him when he was, he played TMUSA for a summer. I got to know his family and I'd like him a lot. I'm not saying anything bad about him. But then he comes out

on this podcast and, you know, lays bare, just how bad it was internally. And they're like, you know, they moved heaven and earth. They, you know, they, they mortgage their mortgage to get him. And, you know, oh my god. I'm sorry wrong. Go ahead. No, you lost your eye didn't realize how much this, how, how you felt about it. I'm glad I know now. But there's, there's just different, like different teams are in different positions. So they've won a title two years ago.

It's not the worst idea that maybe run this back and fix it around these two guys where it's like, hey, these athletic wings that we have. They come from the East of Sheref team got didn't get hurt. I mean, I'm not saying they would have beat the next, but it wasn't like he was out of the wrong

“possibility. It would have been a hell of a series, right? Yeah, I think so. I mean, it's, it's tough”

down to say that you want to pick anybody against the next, but in that series, I know what would have happened. I would have picked Boston, been like, hey, they'll be motivated by that. Sure, even though Boston, and then the next would be up like too low and you'd be like, wait a minute, you know, I would have given up on Boston by then. I wouldn't give it up, because I, I just thought they were so they go through these long stretches really quickly. I think, I think age would have done it

if there were no title in 24. I think he's a big game hunter. He would have done this deal. Maybe ownership prior to this ownership group is going like we still need to do whatever we can. The next banner, the next banner, this is the standard that we're held to here. The last one was almost 20 years ago. We have to do this, because it reminded me a little bit of the railing thing,

when they made that Ray Allen deal before, they made the Garnette deal. Allen had the ankle injuries.

“He was still owed like 40 million, which back then was like, I think it was two years. It was”

big money. I don't remember the number off the top of my head, but I remember it being like a lot for somebody who wasn't playing, but that's not they might not need to do it. It's just sometimes I wonder if Milwaukee or Yannis prefer the Boston thing the most out of the three parties involved. Well, the heat fans think that Tyler is a great asset. This has been made clear. Tyler is played seven years, I think, in the NBA. His numbers are remarkably steady. His numbers are almost exactly

the same every year. He scores 20 points. He shoots 38% on three. He shoots 45% from the field,

and he will have nights where you're like my God, what an amazing talent, and you will be a

planting. He has been a play in team every year. I'm not saying he's not a player that you don't

“want, but he's not a player who you're like, all right, we got him now we can go for it. And”

not only that, he's in a position where he wants a contract extension, because he's like, look, I average 20 points again. I've average 20 points again for the last 400 games. This guy over there, oh, average 20 points again. And he makes 57 million or whatever. Like, I'll take that. Thank you. So not like you get a player who is very defined in his upside, but is prepared now to get his giant, his big giant contract. It's not like, I don't like say, oh my God, like he's, I mean,

I admit he's a high quality player, but he's not a guy. I'm like, okay, go and forward. I now three guys and he's going to be one of them. You know, I just, I just don't feel that way. I don't mean to be mean. I like him more than I've ever liked him. And it's still hard to announce him at the press conference when you've traded one of the best players in history that's still got some time left. That's the thing. Like, the trade that the cream trade,

you know, Wayne Ember is a Hall of Fame, Hall of Fame executive and, you know, I know him. He is one of

the most respected men in the NBA. Right as a book. I mean, this incredible career. But he's had to walk

around his whole career with having made that career in trade. And like people, you know, it was junior bridgemen like Brian Winters, you know, the epitome of the epitome of what I don't know if Bill Simmons came up with this, but you know, he popularized it to me, you know, four quarters don't make a dollar, right? You trade, you know, by the way, they didn't make the, you know, the, they traded, you know, the bucks traded the cream and they didn't make the finals

for 50 years, 50, five, zero, okay? And Wayne Ember is walking around, you know, like people remember, I mean, maybe not anymore because, you know, it's been 50 something years, but if you're the bucks, whoever you trade, Yannas for, now I'm not saying Yannas is going to go on to win a bunch of titles wherever he goes, like the way Karim did, but Yannas is a guy who probably Milwaukee, a championship like Karim did and like whatever trade you make doesn't just have to

set the agenda for the next three to five years, if not longer, but it's going to be on your resume potentially. So she, if you think if Yannas goes to, let's say Boston and they win a championship next year, you don't think that's, you know, people are like, well, what's taking so long?

“What's taking so long is the fear of infamy? That's what's taken so long. So, 50 years, Ryan,”

they go to the finals for 50 years. This is their player that they got to bring them back. And now it's like, yeah, you, you may just obsess a little bit about the trade that you're going to send them out of. You haven't had two years to plan for, but, uh, all right, let's do, we spent a lot of time on that. I don't want to keep you here all night. So let's try to get through everything. No, no, no, I'm going to lay out here a little bit more than the next time. When I come on, I dominate it,

I feel I feel bad. You know, what though I deserve it? Because when I go on other people's pods, I don't shut up. So, and your information is usually better than your information that I'm sharing with anyone else. I don't know about that, but, um, um, like, uh, lakers. So, um, here's an uncomfortable truth. The lakers have cap space and don't have

So, you know, Lebron and Rehatchimer are combined to average, like, 20, there are 33 points,

“12 or 13 rebounds of, like, eight assists. Although, I think it was seven assists for Lebron,”

one for really. That's a pretty good amount of production. Um, but to get to your salary cap space where you're going to add a player, you got to, you got to replace that, right? So,

if you, if you say, okay, uh, we've got 50 million in salary cap space as the lakers and now we're

going to go remake our roster. Um, but how do you improve the team if those two guys who were your whole, your starting forwards? How do you replace them? How do you get better? And, um, so this is a thing like it's kind of, it's kind of fan some cap space, because, um, they don't, what they need to do is bring Lebron and Rehatch, at less money and then use the savings to go sign a player. But then when you start adding up the money, there's not, you know, unless Lebron

“comes way down, there's not going to really be enough there to, like, sort of win a bidding war.”

And so you're like, well, I don't know, are we better off, like, just bringing the team back and hoping that Lucas healthy? Um, and look, they may, I mean, they're going to do something at the center position. If they don't do it in free agency, they're going to make a trade. They're going to have an upgraded center. Just how big the upgrade is. We'll wait and see. I'm sure they have plan ABCDE. But the, the, the, here's kind of their core, one of their core problems. If they don't have

anybody in their rotation, who they draft, that you can move in and be cheap. Brony. I mean, I know you're making one of your dry humor jokes there. Like, you know, yeah, I mean, Brony actually is the demonstrating he could be a fringe rotation player. But I'm talking about who's going to be your starting forward. They didn't write like the Dalton Connect moment at the beginning of his career to now we don't want to plan. All right. So this

is a great trigger question. I give it occasionally. Who was the last player that the Lakers drafted in the first round that they gave a contract extension to? And let me just say that obviously there's guys they have drafted like Lanzo ball that they and Kyle Koo, who they

traded. I'm not saying they never drafted a guy that was any good. But I'm saying is, is it the way you

sustain a team? Is you draft somebody, develop them? And you take advantage of him graduating on and he's cheaper. I asked who again, who was the last pick that the Lakers drafted and they also extended. First round. First one. It's good. It's not Jordan Hutschofino. I know that. We did not see that. Well, was it? And you're buying them. Wow. Now, there's been some set because I could fill the lake or Ier. Taylor and Horton Tucker and Jordan Clarks and there's

a bunch of them. You know, they found some diamonds in the rough. You know, Alex Caruso, Austin Reeves. It's not like they've never developed a player. I'm just saying ideally what you would have here and regardless of whether it's LeBron or somebody else is, you would have young players that you could graduate on and then you could, you know, graduate up. The Lakers don't have that. So they are

“left with this conundrum which is how do we improve our team without hurting our team?”

And I do think that the best case scenario for LeBron is to resound the Lakers and I think LeBron will be open to taking a sizable pay cut. If he's taking a sizable pay cut for a player who

he's excited about. Don't say to him, LeBron take a 30 million dollar pay cut and we'll use that

30 million on somebody. Saying we have Walker Kessler ready to sign an offer sheet. Oh, okay, that's great. That sounds great. Like we're going to get Walker Kessler. That sounds great. I think that will be worth it. And by the way, Walker Kessler is restricted. Like the jazz could just match it. Like, you know, so that's their problem. Their problem is to improve the team. They got to improve the team. I can't wait for the Walker Kessler contract just to have like a defensive lime in from the

chiefs go. I can't believe these contracts. Because that's one where he hasn't been playing a time. But when he's played, he's incredible. But he's a big part of what the future is for that team. Because I still think there's some moves for them if they wanted to get even more creative with all this kind of stuff. So that that then pivots into the number one pick. You know, I've been watching. I've been going back and forth, Peterson debonsa. I've been a Peterson camp guy now for a little while

he's cooking and then to see his size and it there's like no concern with him with their,

the way there is for Peterson. When it is the number one pick, I'm kind of the point now where I'd be shocked if the wizards don't take debonsa one. And AJ really, really wants to go number one.

“You know, I think there's this belief that, you know, because he played at BYU and he's got some”

kind of, and by the way, I think he liked living in Provo. Right, but people are acted like he was born there and it's a very strange thing that we do sometimes. He can both really have enjoyed being at BYU and also want to be the number one pick. Both those things can be true. He wants to be the number one pick. Now, I think a couple of things here, the wizards knew was possible that they would get a top two or three pick in this draft for months. That was their goal for months and they still traded for

Treya. So I'm just going to make that statement. The second thing is

if you look at, and by the way, I wish I could say, I've got sources inside the wizards. I know they're a draft board and they are going with so-and-so. I don't have that intelligence. I'm sorry that I don't have it. I wish I did. I don't. By the way, Winger saying recently that there

“isn't a consensus. That's what you're supposed to say. Oh, there's no way he's ever showing his”

cards. No, forget. I've known Mike Winger for 20 years. Zero percent chance he's showing his cards. Ever. But if you look at Michael, Michael Winger and Will Dawkins, the two guys running the wizards, were raised in the Oklahoma City system. I can't believe Winger came on our show. And what did he say? He was really good because I basically was like, look,

I like a lot of your players. You also played a million, but there's some fringe guys that I think

he's done a really good job with closing out the season. But you also traded for Treya young in Anthony Davis. And so, I worry that you have some of these developmental guys, whether it's SAR, whether it's Treya, Kishan, who I like a lot. I mean, Coolabali, and Bob kind of feel like if you could just make them one player, it'd be unbelievable. Right. Well, they haven't. They haven't had the benefit of drafting super high other than SAR, which was the pit. It was the castle.

You know, that was the pit. But if it's Treya young, playing the way he did in Atlanta, which is the whole reason why his value was Siege and McCallum at 34 and Corey Kisper, which I think Hawks fans need to be reminded of all the years that they sit there and screamed at yelled at all the meat, national guys didn't like their favorite fucking player. If that sounds a little salty, that is years of salt, build up. But I, I asked Winger, I was kind of like,

all right, like, is tray now going to be helping you develop all this youth that you've been stockpiling, or are they all going to be watching him? Because as much as I've loved what I've kind of like on this debons of thing again, because I've rewatched all the big 12 games and then even in the loss to Texas, he was unfreaking believable. Like, is he going to be worth just for a young? That's mid-range shooters come out of college in many years, right? Like his mid-range game,

would you say? It's what you want it to look like. What you want is like a big, huge, dream, wing, quickness. I'm not saying he's like Westbrook, but that just hardbounds up and the way that shot looks is the exact, he hits a three-inch transition. I forget it might have been against

“Iowa State, where I was like, my god, that is, that is it. That's what you want all of these guys to”

look like, and I hope, and Winger didn't know we had the, well, you knew we had the number we're figuring to say anything, so we couldn't talk about debons of specifically, but I would say in general, I mean, I want to hope these guys aren't just watching Tray Young dribble a ball for 82 games. Well, the thing about Tray Young is we're not going to really be able to give Judge but on that trade until we see what contract he has signed, because he very clearly has an under

he really killed clearly when he got traded, knew what contract he was getting. And the reason I know he knew what contract he was getting is because if he didn't know what he was going to get paid, he would not have agreed to shut himself down for the season, which is what happened. You know, when you're potentially going to be a free agent, you don't shut yourself down with an injury. Even if it's a real injury, you don't like, oh, you were out for six months with us

with a knee like, that doesn't sound great. So before you pass Judgeman and by the way, like, there's been whispers about what that, what that number is for months, you know. And I'm not saying they actually, I want to be clear. I don't want to be aggregated to saying, they may not have actually agreed like shake at hands and said, okay, here's our deal. I'm sure they didn't because his

went on that deal and agreed to be shut down without having a very good idea of what he's getting paid.

And until that contract is knowledge to the whole NBA, you can't really judge it because if they get them on a contract that is very, very favorable to the team, it's going to have a completely different view of that trade. If they get them on a contract, that is like equal to the contract he was just on in Atlanta, which Atlanta couldn't trade for two years. And they've heard his value by shutting him down for a year, for half a season or whatever, then you're going to look

at it a lot different. So I'm just going to say when it comes to Tray Young, they wait. But when it comes to Will Dawkins and Michael Winger, they came from Oklahoma City. I know that Winger

worked in, worked in Cleveland. He worked in Atlanta or, I mean, in the LA trust me. I know,

I've known him for 20 years. They were raised by Oklahoma City. And if you look at what Oklahoma

“City is drafted, what have they drafted straight down the line for a decade plus now?”

Length, positional size, like they want the longest, biggest guys at every position. And they have not taken very many risks in terms of, you know, I don't want to say. They've been a little bit risk-inverse, okay? It doesn't mean they've hit on every pick. They have whifed on picks. You think you think they thought who's Montgiang would be a guy that they would, you know, a Leski Postures. No minutes for him. Well, Poco is the last, like risky one, maybe.

Right. But Zhang was a lottery pick. Like that wasn't, you know, he meant if having an MBA career. But my point is, look at everybody who they drafted. Length, positional size, relative low risk. Okay? That says defense, but I don't have the, I don't have the intel. So I wish I could tell you. The other thing I want to tell you about is that the wizards are well known for being various strategic in the draft. You know, trying to get guy, given guys

promises and trying to get them a shutdown workout, switched by the way as another thunder thing. And they didn't invent it. I understand that other teams do it's better round for a long time. You know, smoke screens and misdirections. And they have the number one pick. So they don't, they, they should hold their cards close to their best. But the league doesn't know who they're taken. The players don't know who they're taken. And that's a good place to be because

“when you don't know that, that's how you get a call and get an offer that makes you think and blows”

your way to, to move around in the draft. So I don't think that we're going to know for a long time between now and draft night. Do you have a player to a pick that you feel like if I had to pick

one, if I had to get this one right? I'll go first if you want me to give you time. Okay, go ahead.

A cuff Kingston and Wawgler all being in this guard group, which I think you could argue on some of the shooting numbers or buries. You know, they were just so loaded at Arizona that he wasn't going to be asked certainly. No one was asked to do what a cuff was. Um, that if you look at the clipers, I think the Garland trade makes it very clear they have to take Wawgler if the first four chalk. If Caleb Wilson goes for the Boosters obviously gone at three, if it's Peterson two,

who knows, maybe it's Boosters two, and then it's Peterson three, because I mean, there's a,

“there's a floor here for Peterson work. It gets a little ridiculous. And sometimes I think I'm going to”

regret. I'm still not sure, you know, if I had to do it, what I would do. Well, there's a Peterson has a lot going for him. I want to be clear. Right. The way we've talked the last seven eight minutes, Darren Peterson has a lot going for him. He's a product of Akron Ohio where I am from I have enjoyed talking to him and enjoy talking to his father. I, I, I, I, I am rooting for Darren Peterson. I just want to be clear. Sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. But I, the only one that I would feel

comfortable is that I just don't know that you could take a cuff or Kingston and put a next to Garland. Yeah. I agree. I mean, I met Kingston Fleming's in San Antonio last week. And I told him that anybody who ever plays for Kelvin Samsung, instantaneously has respect in the NBA, certainly with me. And he smiled because probably he's cited some memories. But he is not, he is not, his frame is not huge for an NBA guard. No, he's crushing an interviews from

life heard. He's a very impressive guy, very impressive guy. Not just the normal, like specifics that you're told and you go, what the hell? Like good things, really good things. So that was,

when I'm leaning anyway. But I don't know, do you have one? Well, I mean, I am not a draft nick. I am not going to try to tell you that I have, that I've studied this to a certain extent that I couldn't compare to Jeremy Wu or Kristen P. You know, the other, you know, Kevin O'Conner, the other people that are specialized in this. I'm not a specialist in this. But if he's on the board, I would be stunned if Cameron Booser gets past the Grizzlies. Because, you know,

Dukeies love Dukeies. And Zach Lyman is a very proud product of Duke. And the thing, the thing on on Booser, and I mean, I am not trying to say anything here that is insightful. I am not a draft expert. But, and I don't trust my own eye. I don't spend, I haven't spent 10,000 hours of evaluating high school kids. Okay, I am not saying, I can only say what scouts who I trust tell me. And they rave about Booser and they rave about him as a winner and stuff like that. And they rave

about his leadership qualities and everything. And after how South it's gone with John Moran,

“that just sings to what I think is music to the Grizzlies ears. So, again, I don't have intelligence”

on their draft board. I don't have somebody leaking to me that they've got, you know, Caleb Wilson hire because, you know, I got guys raving to be about Caleb Wilson. I had a chance to roll me briefly, meet him and his father in San Antonio as well. There's a gentleman with great size, but Caleb Wilson got great size. But, yeah, I think if Booser is on the board, I will be surprised if Memphis doesn't take them. Last one for us here.

What do you think it's more creative this offseason, Minnesota or OKC? I think OKC believes that they were healthy. They might be holding the gold right now. Now, not mean to insult the nicks. I think Oklahoma City was like, damn, like we just,

“we just didn't have what we needed to have. And, you know, I think that they need to”

get a better system to protect their, you know, to protect Shay a little bit more.

But they've got 53 million dollars in team options. So, that's, um,

Isaiah Hardenstein, Lou Dort and, and Kendra Twyams. And Kendra, Kendra, Kendra Twyams, like, you know, $7 million a relatively valuable player. And unlike the Lakers I mentioned earlier, they do have ascending unplayers who can replace these guys for cheap, much cheaper. So, the, so I would suspect that, yeah, what's the over under on those three guys come? How many of them? How many of them are coming back? 1.5 over under?

I would say I would take the under, because I think Dort, you can argue the replacement

“has already been drafted and they get creative around that. I think Hardenstein's too valuable”

for what they want to do. And that's not a post-Chet Disappointment Spurs series. I think they

love the idea of the optionality of the two bigs. So, maybe it's the 20 million reaction that

really unlock their championship team. I mean that in Caruso, but look, I'm a, if you've listened to me, it ever, you know I'm a big action's over words guy. And in the middle of the season, Lou Dort hired Rich Paul to be his agent. At the risk of parodying myself, why would he do that? Why would Lou Dort go hire Rich Paul in the middle of the season while he was wearing a championship ring if it was just going to be as simple as we're going to pick up the team option.

He knows that that's going to potentially get dicey either. He's going to, I would be surprised if he became a free agent. I think they, if they want to move on from him, they don't, they think they probably try to trade them. The other thing is like they only have one, they only have one roster spot right now. The opposite can change in a blink of an eye. But they only have one roster spot. And they're going to be deep into the second apron. So

every million is going to cost them a lot. And not only that, but one thing when you talk about

second aprons, it's not even so much that about the money, like because Sam Presty has gone on

broke. But with each million you add to the second apron, that's another million you have to

sacrifice to get out of it because every team that is in the second apron is thinking about how do we get out of it if we have to. And so when I'm building towards here is, I would be pretty surprised if they make both first trumpets. Or at least if they make both first trumpets of guys they intend to sign. And I don't really think that there's many drafts and stash guys that are going to be available in this draft for where they're drafting. So obviously they're trying

to move up, of course, it's a no-brainer, but they're highly incentivized to, you know, only to not even add another three or four million dollars to a guy who's not going to play and kick that

“can down the road if they can't improve their draft picks. So I think it's likely that the”

thunder makes several moves not only in the summer, but in the coming days. And, you know, I don't think any of them are to be to trade for Yana. So I think they believe in this roster and I don't blame them. You're the best. Get some rest. I know you can't really because we still have such a wake-up call for get up tomorrow. So what are you guys doing? You need a little blame pie? I don't even know. Good question. We're after this. I'm going to start prepping for it.

Well, let me know what you need any help. I watch a lot of games. Yeah, I know you do. I'll rely. I'll just give you the zoom link and you can just come right in and you can just you can just... You think that go over well? I don't even think like I'm good there. They like me. I like them. Everybody's happy again. No, ESPN radio background. You and Greenie like are, you know?

“Yeah, but I'm talking like higher level stuff. Like I don't if I popped on randomly on your zoom”

link was like how's it going guys? I don't even know if anyone would get mad about it. They might be

a little worried because they're like you never know with Brazil, but yeah, maybe we don't do that tomorrow.

Yeah, maybe maybe right after Greenberg, you know, gets his next winning a championship, but maybe maybe we should give him a little space for that one. But, you know, like there's dog days of the summer, you know, July, a little bit. Maybe psyched. Yeah, they're going to be blocking me in right now. You do the fourth. Some of the greatest, most amazing television in the ESPN every year comes on July 4th, especially this year Ryan, where it's on a weekend.

We are primed for some special shows on July 4th, this year. I was going to leave it at that. I can't wait. Brian Winhorse, who've collective with him, bond temps and, of course, the other guy. Hands of McMahon. I know, to McMahon. Uh, Nehna Monshuparong with them. Yeah, we're still arena. You know, we, um, we're sorry to say goodbye to Shampa because Shampa really only does it for the playoffs with us, um, because Shampa doesn't like talking about

whereas Yana's going to go. Shampa would rather talk about like watch how Brunson uses his offhand to manipulate the defense. Um, but we lost Shampa the streets after a game for after the 29 point of fact. Yeah. He, he, he was, he was, he was dressed in his due uniform and he was on the

“court and he was kind of like rocking. Was that rocking? And, uh, he goes, how long is this going to be?”

I go, Shampa. Go. Fly. Go. He's like, he has a go to 7th Avenue. Just go. I released him from his, his, um, his podcast duty and he like turned around and sprinted for the exit at the garden. He couldn't wait to get out there. So it was, it was fun. But yeah, we're, we had this, we had a set him back to Atlanta for the off season. You're the best. Thank you for this. We're checking again soon. Thanks for having a great week. Thank you. Hey, it's Hannah Montoya. Abercrombie's

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did it? How the magic is made. I guess it wasn't that hilarious when we did that. It's called the callback. How about our guy Kyle? Little cheddar bob roll for you this weekend. I love when I get around this. It's such a different group of friends. I love this Dominican guy. What proves this? You're the only white guy in it. I was the only white guy that answered the bell for this one. But we have a wedding on Thursday where we're going to a couple of the white guys

are going to get in the mix. But yeah, I was certainly the only white guy that answered the bat signal this weekend. But yeah, it's such a fun time. Deep was this crew. I saw some footage. There was probably like six of us seven and then some dudes came for a little bit broke off. Yeah, we're up to like four in the morning that day. It's just you know forget how I forget how it was. That's just like how it wasn't college and like I don't know it's cool that now they're just like

“you know, they're trained right away. Get off the Harlem one 25th and go what? Like was that Friday?”

Yeah, Friday. Yeah, I was great. I skidaddle that out of there because I do that was that would have been crazy if I was our yesterday. Even I didn't want that smoke. This is World Cup USA night then, right? Yeah, we started with Paraguay. Oh yeah. Just gray fives all around. Would you with a couple of guys from Paraguay? No, no, they're all Dominican's. Okay. I think some might be like a little bit Puerto Rican but I mean definitely Dominican. Can you say that? I can. There's a there's

crossover. That's a joke from 30. Oh, sorry. Damn it. You guys did a chin up contest on the scaffolding. Right there and what was that time square? No, we wouldn't have been around there. But I don't know,

dude, I just kind of let them lead me. I never really bothered to learn where I was in New York City and

you know, I'm in and now I don't I never stay more than one night. So it was just like perfect little dose of medicine for me. Yeah, I loved it. I enjoyed it all the time. It was very limited content. But I I need that set it was just where if I can different kind of past go to my phone for these nights on a while I get the urge to just like throw some shit up there. It's literally just so out of nowhere. Just like, oh, Kyle's just he's doing this thing tonight. Let's say I know. He's almost

like, "Do I have to set up notifications now?" He's the only one I have notifications for in the world. Are you serious? Yeah. Oh my god. I mean, that is kind of a few and far between usually. But yeah, I don't know, so that was gender. So guys have, you know, shams, no, no.

Kyle. Yeah. It's sort of like with DJs to us because there was a DJ at the first place that we were

at and they weren't playing game audio. We did call it an audible. But I told my friend I was like, I hate love DJs. But really, from there for like 90 minutes, I just the urge to tell him you should definitely play some tea pain. It's like nobody wants me to do it. But it's like, I'm getting closer to doing it every minute. I'm here. It's like same thing with Twitter. It's just stay off the phone. Anyway, nothing, nothing, nothing disastrous. That's good. No, there's nothing bad about

anything. Of course, you're saying it out with a bunch of friends and I was looking at the demographic or the whole breakdown of like, "Oh, Kyle's switched it up on us." Yeah. It's a community everywhere, dude. Yeah. I did dip my toes into Paraguay Twitter, soccer Twitter. That was. That game was not received well by that nation. No, no, it wasn't fun. But it's

“great for us to tell you that right now. What's up? Are we back? Maybe. How's the soccer pod going?”

It's great. It was a listen. We went live after that game and that was the easiest show we've ever done. It was just like what we just yelled a lot about how excited we are because everything basically went well. What's that? I was just saying I was looking before that game started. America was like plus 100. I mean, Paraguay was like plus 400, but like America wasn't like, you know, wasn't we weren't like getting a bunch of points there. So now it's a game they should have won though.

And my thing was, I actually had the listen for Agalera. We're going to talk betting. I had, I had USA minus one and a half. I was like, I think they either win this game by all the goals where they dropped points. And, you know, obviously it did win. So what's up? You give some betting advice out there. Yeah, now we've got the Aussies coming up. And I'm next Friday. It's going to be, they just won. They'd be Turkey. Turkey's not a bad team. It's going to be a tough one. Can you keep

them momentum going? But are we going to run into the scots at all? I've been really into the fan.

“I have not got damn it. They took over my part today. I think I still have some of those guys. So”

awesome. Well, how about the German dude who's like, just basically making his way through the south. Have you guys seen him Friday? Yeah. I'm just, I'm hoping it's real. I don't want to find

that. I just always think it's always fake. The Japanese guy is everybody's just like,

lose their minds. Oh, Japanese guy. We're going to help him. Yeah. Well, the, the Koreans and the Mexicans just just chugging to kill. It was definitely real. Like that was a thing. So this is, this is what the best part about this happening. Obviously, we're a couple in America. It's like this dude's just getting after it. We don't care. And now I think the Freddie thing is real. I mean,

JJ Wat and Houston, because with the game was, so I don't, can you fake your way through JJ Wat? I don't know. Maybe. But seems like he runs a tight ship. Because yeah, my other concern

is always like somebody's like, hey, I'm doing this, but I'm actually doing this or something else.

It's like somebody in Africa playing a guitar in front of a tree. And then it's like, oh, the people just sent a $10 million. Because they're, she's missing a guitar string. And it's like, actually, she, she goes to like Connecticut college. You know, like, it's fun to happen here. Well, there's way more ways on to. I don't think this is it. But I've noticed there's a lot of work like creative ways just to get somebody to click expand your post on Twitter. And then it's just like,

this was actually garbage. But now there's 10 million, fucking impressions on it because people are clicking to see what this is all about. And then they found out it's garbage. So I'm like, I'm like becoming hip to there's more ways that people are tricking like the masses into clicking on

“this weird tweet. I don't think that's what this German guy is, but it's definitely in the back of my head.”

Yeah, I get it because every now and then if I do something, then I'll be like, hey, this is

seems to be doing okay. Do you want to boost this? And I've never done it. I might do it on Instagram

once. Just to see what that means. It feels ridiculous. Like, it's been $1500. It'll be like, everybody's going to get flooded with this now. Man, what a great one's going to name me. Yeah, put it now. We don't return on this investment. I don't care much about PEDs. I don't like PEDs on social media. Leave it organic. Come on. We shouldn't be boosting anything. Yeah. And then some of these guys that are in cover bands or they don't even know how to play the instrument with their content.

And you just go, you know, speaking of notifications on, they're always telling you, put the notifications on. I hope these guys are real. I have a different kind of great time. It's a lot like a guy that went to Trinity or like, Brennan's Connecticut next thing you know, he's at Bat Rouge. But it's like, it's, it's that, but this is on PEDs if we want to go that way. Because it's a whole, another level of like, hey, I just was just a joke. I didn't, I didn't know.

I didn't like guys like this. Freddie was, the guy was like, he was a Jordan hair, right, Auburn.

“He was freaking out because the eagle was going. He went to a bucky's late night. I think he sent”

out of things like, hey, everyone's home. It's like he's playing the hit at something. That happens here. The one thing is that he's playing the hit. It's like, dudes who love bucky's are going to be like, fuck, yeah, like, are you even guys who know a bucky's? It's like, of course, a foreigner would like that. It's almost like it's too perfect. But you know what, let's just pretend, let's say it's real. I did see another guy that went to like, golden curals. I was like, oh my God, I'm just blown.

It's like an golden cural. Well, I'll tell you, after the, the pause that I've done, all they have to do is get a dose of salvaging and a fucking couple ice cubes. They do it all. This reaction makes sense. Think about, you know, that one of those videos, they gave us lettuce with other vegetables and it tasted like something and my drink was cold. No, one of these guys won. All right, late vinegar. Yeah. Yeah. Let's get to a couple emails here.

Procerute emails after soruity being called out for not having my back with the burrito incident. A lot of pros soruity stuff. Nice little pivot over the weekend. Our boy had no problem getting fired up and chirpy at the email and love the pod. That was one, another one that said,

read more critical soruity emails so that we can see the Italian soruity pop out from time to time.

It really does work. It gets me going. Like, I don't know. I'm just better when, you know, like, you know, that's like, what was it in beer fast? I'm better when I'm drunk. I'm better when I'm mad. Like, I just, I don't know. When you, if I get pissed, I got to get punched in the face first. But I will say, I did have a punch people reach out because like, you know, you read all social media stuff and read it. It's like everybody hates everything all the time. It's great.

And then like the real people reach out like, hey, man, keep doing your thing. Appreciate those guys. There's a lot of this weekend. Thank you. So, but yeah, maybe I need to, I don't know. I need to be

“provoked. So. All right. Well, remember that Kyle, maybe that'll be your role this summer.”

Yeah, just at the beginning of every class. I'll do it right before we hit record. No one will even know why he's like this. Okay. All right. Let's, uh, let's get one for Kyle here. 6, 1, 2, 30, pick up a pickup comp, Brad Miller bigger body to get step out hit the J smoke some bud. Was Brad Miller? I don't know. Yeah, remember, I don't, wasn't yet. Yeah, like big time. Just seems like that would be accurate, but I'm not sure. I see. I feel like he's like school

more than he'd like some Northern lights. Just a fun, yet effective teammate. Directed to Kyle, the pool guy. I figured since his latest viral pool selfie. He's got some knowledge on the subject. I recently moved into a house with a kick ass in ground pool. They're called in ground Ryan. Yeah. I don't know what I, the below ground, but that just tells you that group without pool money. Um, except they think I'm realizing very quickly pools are a lot like a kid. They're way

cooler when you can just stop over somewhere and hang out, then go home and not have a little bit or a boat. Yeah. It sounds like it feels like pool boat is better than pool other human totally, but I'm not the human. Pools are a lot of work, man. I was just outside checking my free and

the local Italian street festival, sitting back and realizing, what the hell? I have an infant

“who will be able to enjoy it for some day, along with a large extended family for the kids,”

but am I being too negative about this? Is this a common theme with pool ownership? Should I just tell Kyle and jump in and light up a square? I live in Indy so I get to enjoy it for maybe four

and a half once a year of suitable weather. I've always wanted to be fortunate enough to own a nice

in-ground pool, but now that I'm here, shit. Well, I'd say, hey, if you're not using it, don't heat it. You know, that's for, that's for damn sure. I mean, unless you don't care about money, but I almost everyone I know that has a pool will mention what the electric bill has been up to recently. It's just something I've noticed. But like, there's the word out. Does everyone know you have a pool? Because that's the cool shit when you're like, everyone wants to know,

like, what am I going to do today? And somebody just calls you up and you're like, see, we can hop in the pool. I'll bring some shit over. You want to fire up to grill. That's next thing you know, you've got like a little like half of a party going. And, you know, if the word's not out and you want to make more use of it, I'd just, I'd make sure people know that, you know, heaters aren't there. I'm running the little fucking robot cleaner in there, just in case

days like this happened. Yeah. Uh, that's someone with kids and a pool. Um, I, the pool is easier than the kids. So that's that's fun for one. I would say, I mean, there's, you know, it's like, hey, a couple of things can go wrong here, and every not fixing pretty easily. They're going up. We've got the points. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. They're not, you know, asking you for snacks and not eating them and complaining about their hunger a couple hours later. The pool thing. When we

bought this house, we bought this house. I had a bunch of people that are like, oh, man,

pool sucks. You're going to, you're going to be miserable. Yeah. I, and I had never grown up my,

my grandparents had a pool, but I was like, young, and I've really maintained it. We had a buddy with a pool, and we went to his house. Oh, it doesn't hit. Yeah. There you go. Um, and that's a lot of great grandparents. Yeah. I'm talking with saw some photos when I was in my grandparents. I'm like,

“what is this? It was like, you guys were rich. I don't know, like, yep. What the hell?”

Yeah. Yeah. I got the 1929. Trying to have, we're trying to have, uh, raw sort of going on. Right. Right. Right. Right. All the speculation back then. Ask us a lot for. Come on the pod. Um, but dude, it's awesome. Usually it was 9,000 degrees in the northeast. Like, what the heck are you going to do? I said to my wife. I was like, I would just sit inside. I don't, because I'm not a guy who goes outside unless I'm near water when it's hot. I don't,

I don't like being hot. I'm like sweating a ton. Um, and so like you're just, I'm just at one with nature with the outdoors a little bit more. I'm just in, I'm getting more sun. I'm looking less vampireish. Like, it just good for me overall. Uh, and I don't know, I feel like the maintenance is net art. I will say I got some bubbles coming through some of the vents, and that is, that is annoying little bit right now. And so we know what to do about that is in the back of my

head a lot. So that does at the up just a little bit, but overall, man, like, and again, I got, you know, you got two kids. You want the people coming over your house to have fun, right? You want the kids. You want the, you want, like, you know, your kids to have their friends over and be like, hey, we're going to this Rudy Souser, whatever. We're going to fight the pool all day. And if there's money involved, you know what they're doing? Yeah. Because you're going to get all the stats totally out of it.

Maybe, yeah, who knows? You know, it's super fun watching your friends kids like learn to swim in your pool too. That should it's cool. And especially if you're like long-term friends, like, now the kids 11. And it's like, I remember when you were three and we were like throwing you in there with your little bubble and you're like, now look at you, you can swim. Sick. So the parents who's who I'm closest with with my friends were probably most of parents of pools, man. Like,

“that's how they're like, and they're, like, they're great. You know, you just get into the love”

that way. Yeah. So yeah, this is a cost a little bit extra as a little bit annoying. On certain days, sure, that I like backing me in the pool and parts of spring, absolutely not, but, you know, that's what you, that's what you lift them weights for, right? That's what you sometimes are sitting for. Sometimes if you got nothing new, you can just go out there pop in your headphones, maybe don't even just skim the top for a little bit, just do a couple of laps and then, right?

But, you know, just clear your head, go back to whatever you were doing before. You know, it also is awesome. It's a much super hot at nighttime. You just just jump in the pool at night when it's hot and like the pool is still kind of like cool. It's like, it's one of the best feelings there is. You understand there for long, a couple of minutes, just get in get out. Yeah. What about your wives, and you hit a rut, sexually, can that, can that, you know, that's not what you're definitely not

never to tear it up. No, I don't mean that, but just like, pool lighting, you wouldn't think it would

be terrible, but it really, it'd be good to start going after a couple of Pinos. Have had that issue yet, but I'm going to report back. Yeah, if things ever slow down for you guys is the married guys, like in the pool, I look, I just had to throw it out there because I don't have a pool for a wife over time. All right. What's next? All right. Next email, crazy double my age, hot co-worker is interested. No, I, great tease, my man. I'm in six, two, one, any best comp, Trevor

Reza, solid shooter, says a bunch of screens and actions along with some boards. I'm 19 and just

working two jobs to make money for the school year and my side job, which is with a godband. I don't

“want to get in any kind of trouble here. It's a job that I used to have. Let's just leave it at that.”

There's a 35 year old who I've been told is crazy, but man as she attractive and sentenced. Apparently, she's been flirting with me for weeks, but I haven't picked up on anything, my other co-workers have all noticed it. And even my mom, who I work with is commented on it and how she's crazy and to stay away. I've had my eye in her since he started in April because of how attractive this woman is. I've also have a jealous exo of trying to reconcile with as

friends. It's so easy. A long as these may be awesome. It's going to be awesome. I can't wait to tell your fucking sophomore buddies. This is going to be great. Yeah, guess what I did this. You're going to be, guys, you're going to be asking you to show up to their dorm room. Oh, you're really

George Washington after winning the Revolutionary War. Like, all right, George is time to speak.

Along with my main friend group, we all work in the same place. Everyone is against her. But if this situation took place in a vacuum, I'd be all over. It's not a sure thing. So approaching her is up in the air and any lines would be much appreciated if I should use one. Any guidance is much appreciated and I love the pot. Well, it sounds like you want to keep this a secret, buddy.

“And my guess would she would also want to keep this a secret. And I think I think it's, you know,”

a lot of those college summers or about experiences, whether being in the bass region or other things. So I'm yeah. Yeah. I certainly wouldn't give you lines because being 19 myself, if you don't need any lines, if you look back, whatever it's going to be, you're going to sound absolutely stupid to a 35 year old woman. So like, if this is, if, if it's meant to be, it will be, and you'll be like, this cute little fool she took home. And that's fine. It's all good.

Like, don't, don't worry about how to like pull it off if it, if it's meant to be pulled off, it will be pulled off. I mean, I start wearing more button downs to be quiet. Do I have to look older now? Yeah. No new vocab words, man. Just just be you. Somehow you should come up on the topic of secrets. I like it. Yeah. I'm created keeping secrets for you. Think about your own secret society, actually. Yeah, I get out of sometimes I read school live about my age. I don't even have my real address where they're

sending the checks when it's done. It's kind of six two. He's 19. Thank you. Good. I would listen to no one. Yeah. Exactly. Right. Because I mean, if it's like a work thing and it became no one's, everybody's going to be on your side. Yeah. Maybe like, I was 19. If the expectations were in their soul loaves, it would be gone in September. You're not named CFO in this place, buddy. Yeah. So. Good luck. Can do I? All right. Keep it moving. Let's see here.

All right. I'm reaching out with it. I'm an emergency quandary. I'm going home to San Antonio for game five of the finals and plan to see my high school friends. This might be too late. Well, let's just keep it moving. Yeah. One of them is an avowed communist and hothead. He's been triggered by banner in our group chat, which has been revived by the spurs run to the finals. He's lashed out at all of us at varying points, calling us racist or Nazis or both, especially after

“losses. People still doing that. Yeah. Here's the question. Do we ghost him for dinner on Friday?”

Well, it's not my first choice. We risk a public outburst that will put a damper on the night

to say the least. Further, I am not someone who backs down on the face of such behavior. If the temp turns up, I'm more worth than likely to egg him on. My concern is they'll say something to range about my family. This is a topic I've already worn him as off limits. It would be hazardous to his health. You can get a height, weight, checking from this guy. I might be catastrophizing, but would love input from the group. We're nearing our 40s. Oh, Jesus. I thought you guys were like,

yeah, all right. You guys can behave a dinner, I think. Yeah. So one would think they should no longer be concerned. Yeah, this red like a 20 something email, which probably makes it a little more frustrating. Because just as an aside, I would say this. Like one of the things that I think is great is some of the social consciousness of this younger generation asking questions, demanding certain

things that would never even be a topic for like eight straight years with my friend group from say

18 until 26, 27, the things that you talk about far more awareness. I'd also say the downside to it. And this isn't a political thing about like Jackson Darts supporting Trump and like I like Trump,

guys growing up feeling like, well, all I've done is ever like read all this stuff and seen

“all of this reaction of things. So I need to take it upon myself to have a conversation and pull”

somebody aside because of who they may or may not support politically. I'm just telling younger people, it's a massive waste of your fucking time. Don't do it. But they kind of feel bad in a way because they think like this is normal and it's exactly what you're supposed to do. All right, that's a pastime. Yeah, that rant's totally over now. All right, that was that was inside here. Um, yeah, I mean, I've been on a communist bender lately between Reagan's read and up. Yeah, Chernobyl and then I

started watching the Americans do. And I'm just, I look, I'll tell you after those four different new developments, I'm not going to be a communist anytime soon. So now can, yeah, can I say what I think is going on here? He's going to send it. He's going back to San Antonio, he said, right? Like,

“that's what they were doing there. No, but like, yeah, are these guys in text, like, is all this”

stuff happening over text messages where it's like way easier to fly off the handle and maybe, you know, say a quick jab to your buddy where I was like, you think it's going to ruin a dinner, like, is more of the communication over as you get older, I think the more times you spend together, or probably on group chats than actually like getting together if you're in your 40s. So maybe you're just like, oh, wound up in your head and people actually realize that being

friends is more important than, you know, throwing jabs in group chats. I know what you're saying,

Kyle, but I, I think, I think the way he described it being like one, he said, basically, if

if the guy brings up his family like his health will be a problem, like that, that means that clearly something has happened or something. This line has been played with at some point. And so I think it's probably goes further than that.

“I also think, like, if you're the communist of the group, you need to adjust to the rest of the group.”

Okay. Yeah. Like, you need to lay out. You have your beliefs. You have things that you wish were in place. No one agrees with you. Do you know what? I mean, it's that, like, to keep themselves and not talk about awesome communism, is it, though? I just feel like you could poke a lot of holes in a communist day-to-day life if they're really, you know, whatever. I recommend this. Like, say, our communist, you're right, Kyle, living in Manhattan Beach and if somebody

else got a boat and I'd be like, are you going to let everyone use it? You know, like, I don't, I would know, I would just go, like, just have more golf clubs in your garage, actually. What's going on with us? Like, yeah. Right. Right. So, he needs to adjust to you, but it's certainly makes a pretty good point. I don't know. I mean, there was a time there where it was like, it was almost cool. It's like, oh, yeah. Like, this guy, but I don't know. I mean, do you think you've

actually had a one guy in your life who was like, I have, like, one. Yeah, no, but, um, communist, communist, socialist, or they don't even know what they're supposed to be saying. They are for what they actually believe, you know. My modern Russia teacher, ninth grade high school, uh, shot the Bob Brown. He was the communist, like, and I love that guy. I didn't agree with them, but he was great teacher and joined their company. We had great times.

I don't know. I don't know if Communism is sort of changed or like the vibrant Communism for people who support Communism in the middle. Yeah. It's just need somebody to do it. Right. Really, he's on. Do it right. Yeah. It's really on the chance. That's a really hard, a fair shot.

You know, what I've never worked for them, but it could work for us. Yeah. Right.

If the people in power this time, we will also sacrifice. Wait, what are we doing? I thought all right. That'll do it for the show today. Oh, throwing anything. Thanks to Suryty, thanks to Kyle, thanks to Tom, and thanks to you for sticking with the show as we'll still be doing three episodes a week. Do not worry. All the way through MBA for the agency. So we're not taking any time off anytime soon. The driver's show are still sports.

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