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That's rujieth.com/chiclitz. The Ryder Silla show is presented by draft cakes. Coming up on the show tonight, Waz. I'm live inside of the arena now for the next takeout the spurs and game 1. We'll break down the game with him. We have Life Advice in Evan Wash as well who is the executive vice president of basketball

operations and strategy. Maybe grow this well. There's a lot of titles in there. Before I get to the ad-par, I do want to spend a minute here. Just talking about the last

3+ days in San Antonio. I get this place. I'd never been here before. I have thoughts on this

place, but I'll say that the coolest thing about this city is it's a lot like a southern football and you know, look, I can throw a high state Michigan in there as well. So think of whatever passionate college football town that you've been to that doesn't have anything else.

“And yet, that's what this city has for this NBA team. And granted, they should be passionate”

because of how great and how well run the organization has been for decades now. But I finally kind of figured it out a little bit. I was like, this is what it feels like. The people here are incredible. The anticipation for this game was ridiculous and people were warning us like, hey, if you're staying in town, just understand like what's going to happen if they win this game. Who knows? It's the NBA final. So it might still be going wild. We're

headed back to the hotel now. But we were in the building for the game. It was incredibly physical, super intense. A lot of nicks fans of the building. Nicks fans saying it's cheaper for me to fly

first class, round trip to San Antonio and scout particular than it would be. What are the

cost of scout particular MSG? I did almost get into a fight five minutes into the game. Maybe we'll save that story for Sunday's pod. Obviously it wasn't my fault, but something happened. We're something needed to be said. I said what needed to be said. And it was pretty tense there for a few minutes. So Rudy was next to me, wondering what the move was going to be.

“And I think there's a nice lesson in there, too. Despite the intensity of this game, there was”

there was a, I don't know, was a happy ending for first fan. We had a happy ending. We had a happy ending at the end. And I'm I'm talking the legal one. All right. So that is, uh, we'll have more on that on the next episode of the show. But I started when I first got into San Antonio. I was like, so this is the Riverwalk, huh? Alamo, M.O. Tell, you know what? Now I get it. I get it. I appreciate the place. And I appreciate the hell out of the NBA inviting us to this and being in the building

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No fouls given was Paul Pierce and Danny Green. You're good to see, man. How are you? I'm good. I'm happy to be on with you, especially on this momentous NBA finals game one occasion. Yeah, I mean, this has got to be, I kind of feel like the floor is yours, my man, right now.

“I mean, this is your squad. How do you feel right now?”

Yeah, I mean, I hate having to do this all the time, but I'm not actually at Nick's man, like, I don't actually root for the Nick's. No, in terms of, I shouldn't say that. I want the Nick's to do well. When they lose, I don't, I don't lose sleep, right? Like, actual fans, like,

actually can't eat the next day after a Nick's loss. Like, I'm not that I've never been that in my life.

But they're helping my life. Exactly. Exactly. Every single person in my life from my stepdad, to my uncles, to my older brother, to pretty much all of my closest friends from back home in New York, are big Nick fans, right? And even here in LA, like, there's a big expat New York City community that I'm a part of. And so I'm, I'm, I'm in it. Don't worry. I'm super duper in it. So yeah, it's just, I mean, the whole run has been pretty crazy. It's not just that the Nick's are in the

finals, but they've been kicking people's asses in the process of getting here, like, really badly. And this is just the best Nick's team I've ever seen in my life. And it's not even close. There's nothing to compare this to. Maybe, you know, because I was alive for the 94, 95, you know, Nick's. And the team that losses seven games for the rockets, I don't really have intricate deep memories about, you know, Hubert Davis and Greg Anthony and their contributions.

But this team, as long as I've been a sentient being, is the greatest Nick's anything I've ever seen.

“Well, they're going to have a chance to make that true with three more wins. I think story-wise,”

being in the building, this was a really fun game, even though it was ugly. Like, I looked through

the second quarter and both teams were in the 30s and they were shooting a bismal numbers. But

there was a level of intensity that you'd expect with the next and also the spurs at home that definitely matched up. I thought it was a really physical game. You know, you're still wondering, like, is when we're going to have this moment? And then, you know, they pull up, they're up 63, 50. They miss a three. They miss a two. There was like two spots there where they could have got up to 16. I think maybe 15 if they had made the two. And at that point, you're kind of like,

I think they're going to get this like 18 to 20 and this thing's going to be over, which isn't, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. First game on the road, Nick's huge layoff and all that kind of stuff. I don't want to say I'm shocked that they came back, but that's a tough

“spot to come back in. Yeah, the thing about this specific team is that we've seen them do this”

over and over and over again. I mean, even going back to last year in the second round against Boston, they come out and win two games on the road against the team that should have had them dead to rights by all means. They did that. Of course, there was the Cleveland game and game one in the conference finals, but there's just been plenty of times that the nicks were seen like they were out of games in this group. They just are not really phase by that. So I can't say I'm really,

I understand that feelings like man that the spurs can really put their imprint on this game and be comfortable right here in the third quarter. But then the nicks just started getting a bunch of stops and Carl Towns had the answers, you know, to get them back in that game, he had some great finds, some great drives. He was and his 101 defense against Wemby was impeccable. It was like when he wasn't filing, which is, you know, I know people are snickering at home,

but like when Carl Towns was not filing, he was in a lead defensive player in this game and he's been that essentially since game three of the Hawks series. Brunctions the headline, but let's spend some time on cat, okay? Because you're absolutely right, he gets those two drives in the first quarter against Wemby when Wemby's like getting into them like two six footers going at each other.

And then you're thinking like Wemby never thinks like anybody, even if he's beaten off the

dribble, he's going to be able to recover where he did recover on another drive by cat a little bit later on. But those first two or cat gets him, you're like, all right, that's kind of weird. Then he got him again. He hit an offensive rebound. I'm pointing down here because I'm on the court like he made a play where Wemby was away. So then you have that defensive rebounding problem that you saw with San Antonio in the first half against okay seed because other than Wemby,

you could argue, hey, a lot of these guys are actually outsized at other positions. So cat pulls that board down. There was a shamit cut. We're cat read it perfectly and let him for the layup. And then there was this quiet moment of his scoring where you're like, all right, well he's at 10. I, I'm going to tell you like, this was kind of the game. Like, even though they've been winning all these games, I talked about it on the preview. He hasn't been shooting it on a shot. The advanced

just like in one quarter. It was like a great start and then some really great stuff there late

and it was the passing and it was the boards. Like, I feel like this is the most significant cat game of the play I've so far. Yes, got to be because it's not just when he's scoring, it's Wemby when he's guarding him directly, he can't sluff off of him. Like, that's Wemby's natural inclination is to, all right, let me get closer and closer to the basket so that I'm affecting everything that comes around there. Whereas with cat, it's like, no, if I give this guy even a few

inches, like, he's going to bury a jump shot. No matter where he's standing on it, let's

“guys 30 feet in, he's a threat to put it up in its credible that he could make it. And I think that”

mattered in how Wemby was guarding him. And so, you know, the way to beat Wemby, you know, we were talking about this yesterday on the show. It's like, our team's going to try to, you know, get a guy in free agency to match it. But Wemby's like, no, you're not going to get a center that gives you some athletic physical advantage against Wemby. You might play a style that Wemby isn't comfortable playing against at this point in his career. He still wants to stay in that drop cover. He wants

to stay as close to the basket as possible. And when you add Jalen Brunson's pull-up ability off the dribble, right, like, we know Shay, we love Shay. He's a mid-range assassin. He's a reticent pull-up three point shooter. Um, and Edwards is a good pull-up three point shooter, but he was limited in that series. But then you, you add Brunson's pull-up ability with a center has to make a very hard decision about playing out in space. Every single time they run that combined with

cat shooting out to 30, it's like they're keeping him out of there. And when they're not doing that, you know, Mitch is setting Gorotock screens. They're just finding ways to deal with what Wemby does best by putting them in more compromise in positions. Yeah, and Kat only took two, three tonight. Didn't hit either of them. And it was much more attacking game from him. And again, like, is somebody who is, you know, sometimes with a shot selection over the years, and they

don't know my god, I can't believe like I'm sitting here in 2026 saying I want more shots from Kat. Uh, and I got more shots from Kat, but it wasn't just about as shooting. It was everything else. I also felt like a lot of the time that I spent obsessing about what some of the creative defensive matchups would be. It was made, like, more straightforward than I could have ever imagined.

“Just got him. Just got him one-on-one stay home as much as you can. I think to me,”

San Antonio's most dangerous when they get, when they get Wemby moving on the pick and roll. Him as the roller, because that's when Shen Penny's able to get all these damn open threes, because these guys have to tag Wemby, and then they have to sprint out to these corners. And when it's not OG or bridges who are both fast and long and imposing, as close down guys, these are great shots from San Antonio, but the nicks somehow found a way to deal with the pick and roll.

Action, which I'm just like, man, they're guarding everything phenomenally. I don't, man, I wish I could pull this up automatically. But the nicks,

half-court, first shot defense, had to be incredible tonight, because, you know,

just holding them the 95 points is one thing. But you know, they gave up offensive rebounds, and they were given enough stuff in transition and stuff like that. But when the nicks were set, and they're half-court defense, they dominated. They looked incredible. And to me,

“that's why I take the nicks serious in the series. It's again, since Game 3 of the Hawks series,”

yes, they've been making every single shot, which is great, which is how you blow teams out by 30 and 40 points. But the defense has been elite. Ever since CJ McCollum made them look horrible. It's almost like a light window. It's like, oh, we have to try our hardest and actually execute every single possession and a playoff. And that's what they've done. And to me, that's the story of Game 1. It's, the defense was lights out. I'd expect OG at some point. Like I imagine,

like we have for minor cells, a lot in these series where you see something in Game 1. You're like, all right, well, that's how, and it's like, no, it's not going to look like that. Like, game 4 looked entirely differently. There may be somebody that looks like he can't play out there. I wondered if Hart would be that guy. But he plays 27 minutes tonight and has 15 rebounds, huge offensive rebounds late in this game. So the Hart part of it where A is going to take 12

open three tonight because Wendy's assigned to him. No, it was pretty straightforward. It wasn't the OG Wendy stuff. It was cat and Wendy kind of going at it there. I think we, we probably taken too long ago to talk about Jalen Runsen. Yeah, but he had to. I was almost like I was saving it because there's still still a Harper stuff that we have to get. Yeah, I got to talk about him too. I don't know if his jerseys in the raft are already here. Maybe after a loss they're going to

hold off on retiring it. But that feels like the lock of the century that Dylan Harper will have

his jerseys here. All right. So with Bronson, you know, he hits the first three and then he

McBride and Jose Alvarado. And Jose made the most of the minutes. I always kind of feel like with him.

It's like, are you really going to want to use eight minutes on this guy? Like, when you just wrote everybody else a little bit more and then the third quarter, you know, they're down. They start

“coming back. He had two makes. I think a 36 and 38 points for them. There was one with three”

people around him. Like, how did he even get that shot up? It's great as he is. I'm like, all right, this is going to be more of a challenge than whatever sixers line up they could throw in him or Dean Wade or Struce taking turns or getting to switch in a Mitchell or hardened. Like, this is going to be a lot different against this group. I almost feel like he had prepped. I don't know if they had him taking layups against a 12-foot ladder. But he was, I know that sounds crazy.

I feel like he was preparing for some of those Wemby contests. He looked as comfortable as any perimeter player I've seen even knowing like the Wemby thing is lurking. Yeah. And what's crazy is it feels like they're going to have a better idea of what the pressure points and the spurs defense are when they want to give an action happens. Because the spurs are they didn't play the nicks honest. They did do a lot of sloughing off. They did do a lot

of like, all right, we're going to funnel you into an area and leave certain guys open. And I think the nicks as a group were kind of like, oh, like, when we get when the defensive shape is this, we should do this. I thought they were trying to process that all game in, of course,

“when you're going up against Wemby, that's the case. What I think Bronson did that was key and it's”

funny because my biggest gripe with Bronson over the years has been he shoots too much. But I thought the amount of shots he took kept the spurs defense at bay. It was like, yo, this guy is constantly going to be a threat to get one up and he's one of the best hard shot makers in the NBA. And he just wasn't afraid to get to his phone. In fact, there were times where he did too much of the lobbed to, um, Mitch, the lobbed to cat, where she had just been a straight-up voter and it was open.

And so like, as good as he was, especially in the fourth quarter and in certain points in the third,

I thought there were moments where, you know, Wemby or even Cornet were so sagged into the paint ready for the lobbed in, take his voter. He looks so ready to attack the spurs coveragees and also another thing, man, he's at his best when he's doing the quick decision making stuff. And when this switching guy's like Harry Barnes or even a Champenny, until when with Barnes, he's too quick for and Champenny, he's too strong for. He's going to start beating those matchups up. And you even

saw that the fourth quarter, our guy legs even brought it up. He's like, yo, this starting to send extra help early at the top of the key because they can't deal with this guy right now. Yeah, I noticed in the regular season stuff, he gets semi-aroused when Champenny ends up on him. It's a completely different thing. Like Fox, Fox, you know, stays in the fight enough because of his athleticism, you know, he quit. He tapped it out there and almost ended up being a back, well,

it was going to be a back court because he tipped it, but it messed up their half court set, then he did get him in the second half. I'm like, you know, Fox is in there battling a little bit, like, and they get to throw Carter Bryant at him, which is something that I expected to be a lot different than the regular season, 11 minutes total against the next and the three games, but Bronson, man. And again, like, think about this, too. They're up eight,

Wendy just decides I'm taking all these shots, which I think is good because there's still some castle possessions where I'm like, I have no idea what's going to happen here, man. And I feel guilty about it because there's so much more of a castle that's good than bad. Yeah, but when it's, when it's out of control, you're just like, maybe maybe Wendy deserved to like touch it and make a decision on whether or not, and you wanted to get it back to somebody else,

but, you know, Bronson after they lose the lead, which feels like it's going to be a classic New York walkoff thing here. They're up eight. San Antonio's offense is struggling here a little, Wendy's pressing. They get it right back. They're down a point. Offensive rebound, Bronson,

nobody's on him because Bronson's never in the corner in that situation. Well, this is an offensive

rebound scramble. And then he just delivers, man. And I was watching his dad walk out of the arena, like, into the tunnel. And it was all the media that were like lined up. So it's like all the nicks. And then the players are going to be following him and Rick had a look on his face, man. He had a look. He went up to somebody and like leaned in and whispered it. I'm just guessing but I think I'm guessing correctly, that it was a bit like these fucking people picked a spurs,

“and he was like, yeah, yeah, again, to don't get it wrong. It's not what he says, but that's what”

his body says. That's what it felt like. Yeah, no, if you're the nicks, especially after, you know, again, we do what we do for a living. And both of us consume a decent amount of NBA

especially after the game won in the West. Where was this like, yeah, it is the NBA finals, you know, we just saw that all Nirvana. I said it. Oh, you said it too. Yeah, yeah. We just saw

“basketball and Nirvana, like it don't matter what goes on out east and all that stuff. But I think”

as that series progressed. And again, as the nicks just keep rolling people, they even won this game by double digits, which is, again, no, wild. What the hell keep this? I think people are just understanding that the nicks are tough. They're super talented. So it's like, when he has his stress that you mentioned, and he basically gets the whole eight points back, nine points. They get

the one point Lee. He's getting in the line. You know, it wasn't always pretty. And then the

turnover where he wanted it again. And you're like, well, you try to cross up another guy from like 30 feet out. Let go ahead. There you go, though, Ryan, what is happening though? He's he's creating from 30 feet away. Those are the, those are the points that take the most energy to do. So you do all it is stuff to get up one single point. And then you see the last few possessions that energy isn't there, right? That's, that's the thing when you're down eight, and you put everybody on your back,

and you're 22 years old, and you've never done this before, and you were playing 20 minutes a game when you come back from injury. Now you play a 40 playoff minutes. You know, like it's

amazing to get back into it, but again, you know, you see at the end of the game, and this is where

I think the nicks are just different from the thunder in a lot of ways. It's like OG, and bridges, and their size on these digins, and their size and the passing lanes, and they're not just that their anticipation and just the offensive IQ is on another level. And if Wendy thinks he's just going to be allowed to put the ball on the floor, all series long starting from 29 feet out. That's, that's not going to, that's not ideal offense, man. That felt like he was, and this is

what I do love about him is that he has these possessions where he's like, all right, enough of this.

“You know, I think that's what all the great ones have, but for him, even going back to like the”

draft analysis, even the stuff is rookie year, you're like, I wonder if he's actually going to be like in a huge spot, you know, just kind of like get it on the wing, and then make it work when you're this big, like normally that doesn't necessarily work. And to this point, the fact they're in the finals, none of us are thinking about it anymore, but it's still a little bit harder. It's also wise bringing the ball down so low on some of those catches against cats. I think he's

trying to like come from that low position and then pick aside, you know, I think he's going to be geared up for it a little bit more. I don't want to make any excuses, but he seemed to get tired oddly quick in this game to in the first half, but he was he was taking like he didn't have a lot of rebounds at all at halftime. He was taking, it felt like he was trying to like make up for not taking a ton of shots late, and then there was this burst, and then at one point I looked down and they're

still in the game, and I'm like, man, Fox and women, Yama are combined as 7 to 27, and they're actually in this thing a little bit. So I don't know if you take something from that, I would say this about Fox, this has been about a month where I'm entirely underwhelmed. And yeah, even in the spots, well, he's getting it was like he's even getting good looks, and he's just can't finish right now. Yeah, he's not making his little baby, you know, high, high paint shots, his floaters is not going

down, but this is the paradox for San Antonio, is that they're having the three elite ball handlers is extremely key to what they do, but at the same time is like, Fox being the third of those guys, he becomes an extravagance at his salary, right? Now we're doing roster construction, because you're right. No, I'm just saying like, it's amazing for, because like they're in the finals because of this three-headed monster at guard, where they just have elite guys that can drive clothes

out, that can run, pick and roll, that can beat a mismatch on a switch off the dribble, like that

stuff is amazing, but Fox isn't always playing at an all-star level at that job of just destroying

switches, a beating guy's 101, or even just eating off of the incredible gravity that when

“he provides, and so tonight, I think was a especially bad game. I think he plays better. I just”

really, really think the nicks are going to guard the hell out of these guys. I just do, um, like they just present different problems because again, even though Josh Hart is not very tall, a very lanky, he's still a very stout guy, like the energy is going to take the just run through these guys. Except when he flopped on that time, he ran into Wemi, but yeah, he was pretty

everybody's watching the replay and you just go, uh, look, it was smart, it was smart as hell, he felt like a huge moment, but keep going. Yeah, no, it's just, when these guys are attacking bridges and OG 101, and they're whole put your head down, it's not as great a shot as it's been for them. Do out the playoffs. I just think the nicks man defensively, the way they're able to stay honest on when we not send, you know, just an insane amount of help or be opportunistic, late in

the clock when you send the hell, given this guy different looks, but not overselling over committing and allowing these guys to have walk in threes. And another thing for guys like castle and even Fox who, you know, I remember early in his career, you said, like, is this guy going to be able to

“make shots? I think when, when, when these guys are going under the screen on those guys, and they”

have that one and a half second of decision, like, do I want to take a pull up three right here to

punish that defensive action? That stuff, they're going to be thinking about all series. And so again, man, I just, and I hate to sound like I'm some New York home. I just really think that nicks defense for a month and a half has been unreal. And again, it's the versatility, you know, it's the Mitch, it's cat, it's even, you know, do some big bride is pressuring guys up and doing a decent job. Landry Shamit is holding up. I'm not saying he's some stalwart, but for what he

does spacing wise to be able to hold up and be credible at the very least, they just have so many ways to, to try to bother you on defense. And that's, I think to me, man, the defense has been the revelation of the playoffs. People are going to talk about the 150 point games, what to me and stuff, just completely choking out Philly and Cleveland, Cleveland, especially who's supposed to be an offensive first team. They're supposed to be making their money on offense and completely,

like, turning their water off. I'm, I'm impressed, man. Yeah, look, in the next tonight, they didn't really play Mitchell a ton. You know, he came in, he got his six boards 13 minutes, but it's more about how much he makes you fight to get a rebound in the 13 minutes out there. So you can't just, like, look at the rebounding number, but Clarkson, you know, he had that weird,

“I think there was like a Clarkson Alvarado miles combo out there, or I'm like, oh, this first”

might, like, put together a little run here when you think about the guards. But that might have been, like, not even a minute of game time. And I could even be off on that again, because I was watching it here in the building. The Alvarado minutes actually work, as I mentioned before, but it's he, you know, Brown, it's, it's 30 minutes a sham at, it's 19 amic bride who I do think is better defensively. You know, when you look around, you're like, all right, well, he gets attacked,

because well, he gets attacked because he's not OG or bridges. It's likely not going to be out there with Brunson other than that time with Brunson to kind of left the game. And then on the other

side, you've got this, because this is a weird feeling. I've never had this feeling before. I think

I was four years old when Magic Johnson played center and won a title with the Lakers in game six, but I don't know that I've ever in my life watched an NBA finals game and said, I hope the spurs or whatever team gives it to the rookie to get some things down here. Dillon Harper ended up with only 16 points. It felt like 25 in the building is it felt like whenever it mattered, that guy was making amazing plays and then getting to his spot every single time. He had a

thing in the paint, multiple plays in the paint. And I was looking at it to finish as a crazy. So just to put this in a perspective, you know, who knows. He's got some work to do. Do you know

“who leads the NBA as far as rookie points per game, NBA finals, the all-time record?”

I would assume it's Magic Johnson, because he won it as a rookie. That is a great guess. He's fifth. That's Joe folks back in the 46, 47 finals. But after him is Tommy Heitzon, who I think was 28 when he was a rookie. Alphan Adams is the new one. That's 15 years ago, Elder Daler. I went through the list of the top, the only guy that's even recent is Tyler Hero at 15 a game in the bubble final. There's nobody else. This list is littered with guys that you're like,

how a lot of these rookies back then too. We're so much older. There's a lot of work to do and clearly we know that the winner's right history, but if Dylan Harper keeps having games like this and say the spurs, which I think is completely irrelevant possibility, because we lose our minds after only one game to break down. Dylan Harper, even if they don't win this thing, but what he is

doing is a rookie in this era of basketball is unheard of. And I've never had that feeling before

where I'm going, I hope the rookie gets to touch it more in game one of the NBA finals.

two years in a row of this, is rookie year with the clippers, like dark played them, but like there was nothing there. And then if people go back to that first okay, see play off series again, he's used to keep. Yeah, I love that series. Yeah. When Lou Dort was given hard in the business, shape was bad, straight up. He was just bad in that series and he was no longer rookie. By the way, I love that you

set it because I've always pointed this out. He was uncomfortable. The MVP of the league, the two time

MVP of the league, the first time through the flow season, he was like Chris Paul, Dennis Shooter,

“you guys take the ball. I can't remember what it was for this. Yes, dear in the headlights and then”

you contrast that with Dylan Harper, who like he was there six man, seven man. He didn't start this year. He wasn't like a Cooper flag just getting heavy minutes and I have you workload. He was just like some superfluous dude. Hey, for two months, you were wondering if they should have had Konniple or Vijay, I just come on this for a 'cause he couldn't make a three for a while. And then he gets into the playoffs and I'm just like, wait a minute. So like, nobody can guard this guy.

You like, you literally have to send help at this kid. And there was moments in the, in both series in the Timberwood series and against OKC, where some of the turnovers and he's dribbling into traffic, I'm like, all right, he needs to clean that up. But for the most part, he is beyond his years.

The composure to me alone. He's never sped up. He's never rushed. It's like nobody else's

out there except him and the guy that's guarding him. And he slowly methodically just getting to his spot, getting to that left hand, putting this shoulder in people. He's so physical. He loves contact. Like, it's amazing. He has incredible touch by the basket. It's Kyrie Irvin ish. Whoa, that's rarefied ball. Ball skills. But I just, I can't, you know, you kind of wonder like, what the hell

“happened at Rutgers? So Rudy was sitting next to me being like, do we have the Rutgers coach on it again?”

Yeah, I'm on before the draft. And we're like, are you taking more heat now? What look, the next one by 10, they shoot 41% from the floor 31% from three. They lose the free throw edge by seven. They lose the rebounding edge by five. You know, they're plus five on the turn over

here. They play seven guys, the most part. This is an incredible win. And Kat deserves a ton of credit.

You know, we could do all the roleplay and all that kind of stuff. For brunch and you just go, no, I'm going to take over again. And I'm actually not going to be freaked out by women. Y'all, I'm in the same way. Other guys are going to be freaked out. And that one make that he has in that second quarter where the street people around him. I'm just going, I can't, I can't believe he made that shot. My favorite, my, honestly, my favorite of the game was the one that I think put

him eight, where he's in transition. And he does this ridiculous move to get out the way, then he stutter steps, then he goes, and then he comes around. And I'm just like, bro, the full. There's like seven people that ever lived that could have pulled where he just pulled off to. Final on did it to Auburn. I was watching his draft tape today. So it reminded me of Final on down in Alabama. Let me end it here. Let's not lose our minds about game one. Game one can be the

most misleading here. So I'm not deterred as a spurs picker. But I would say let's give me, give me the odds unlike the three people in the NBA media. Most likely to say brunch is the best player in the world if he pulls this thing off. I'm, I mean, Steven A's number one for sure. Yeah, that's probably me. Um, my guy Nick Wright has, has already declared himself to be a win be hated. So he'll definitely use this as an opportunity to say that brunch is probably better. Isn't skip kind of index way with

that lane though? They might be, he's in the anti-wempy. Yeah, that might be some backed up traffic. It's like, wait, nobody gets this guy. I don't know. So you know what's funny about that is like, I'm in the anti-wempy lane, not that he's a great player, but you're like, hey, you're ready stuff. Yeah, exactly. The eagle motherfucker. Just my fourth. Look at that. I mean, we've got some big numbers

“coming there. 250. It's not gonna happen. Come on now then. But hey, let's look, I think if you're,”

I picked the ninks before the series. I really just do think they're just playing the most complete basketball up top the bottom. They just have answers for so many different questions which to me and the playoffs is how you win is like coming up with different solutions to problems that arise. Because these are the best players and the best coaches trying to come up with ways to beat you. And getting this first game is so huge. Um, and I do think they take three to the next five,

I just think they don't like if you watch them play win be so honestly and not have to be compromised. I

wish okay, see is watching this tonight. They'd be like, look, man, just guard the guy like he's a human being. And, you know, that way you can treat these other guys with the demand of respect that they deserve.

“Because these guys, these other guys can hoop. And to me, that's what really doomed okay,”

seeing that last series. And so yeah, man, I think the nicks are gonna pull this out and God bless the authorities in New York City if they do. Can we get a big bang from me on the way out? Big bang! That's easy. That sounds like you don't get mad about their losses. That's what that big bang sounded like. You can check out walls with Paul Pierce and Danny Green, no fouls given.

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Let's start with the lottery reform. When did it become a situation with the commissioner and everybody involved where it was like enough as enough? We have to change this and we have to change it now. So this is a good question. I've been at the NBA 15 years and about 12 of those years have been spent thinking about draft lottery reform in some ways. Obviously we had some what failed attempt in 2014. We had the reform in 2017 and there were a couple different times in the subsequent

years where we looked at whether we needed to do more. What happened this season of course was we started the year with the bedding indictments that brought up some connections to tanking because of insider information and whether teams were individuals related to the game were tipping about tanking decisions. So we actually started this conversation with the basketball stakeholders, with the board, with our players association, before the team behavior got out of hand this year.

So we were in on that November December timeframe. Once you got to all star and we saw what was happening on the court, which was truly the most egregious behavior we had seen at least in

“generation. I think that's when it became clear that dramatic change was needed and it was needed for”

next season. So it's safe then to say that it was just okay and you start I mean I had forgotten already even it was just a season because of the playoffs it was like did you see what the wizard did at the end you see what Memphis did at the end you see what all these Utah some of the lineups and that kind of stuff. It's almost good in a way then. It's almost a good that it was this egregious to then maybe allow you guys to go we're really overhauling the system. I won't say

whether it's good or bad but it definitely sparked the consensus support that we needed in order to do this and you know we can look back and say there were eight teams that won fewer than a third

of their games which had never happened in history the actual behaviors we were seeing on court

were different we had never seen teams you know pulling two star level players in the fourth quarter of close games before and that was happening more regularly. So it what had been a bit more subtle and a bit more limited in terms of scope had just gotten out of hand this year and obviously it was a bit of a perfect storm this draft class some of the protected picks that were out there so there was something probably unique about this year but it when it got to the level of undermining

fans perceived integrity of the competition that's when something had to change and there was no question from our 30 governors that we needed to do something. So when you're trying to figure it out right because everybody if I've learned anything during this last cycle is that everybody has a taking solution like people's everybody thinks their taking solution is the perfect solution. Yeah right all right so give me the reason why this is the right change for now.

So what we tried to do was balance a bunch of different views that were in the room but stay

core to the the principle of we need to eliminate tanking and so the first principle was they're just

can't be a benefit to bottoming out either through roster creation or through intentionally manipulating games in season and so that was the idea behind essentially flattening the odds among the bottom

bottom 3 teams actually have fewer lottery balls and therefore that haven't incentive to win to

get out of that zone. The the challenge though of course is if you just did a flat lottery it has to stop somewhere meaning they're only certain number teams in it and you don't want to create a cliff and so the issue became where do we do the drop-offs in lottery balls where do we go from three to two two to one and one to zero lottery balls and that's where a lot of the negotiation and discussion came in and it's trying to find the right balance that would allow the bad teams to continue to

rebuild through the draft eliminate tanking maintain simplicity and really try to thread that needle and we think we've done it. So if you end up with one of the worst three records now it's not just how limited you are in your chances of winning this but what's the worst you can do now. So so so we actually we did a bit of a balancing out there so what we said was the teams that missed the play and we'll get three lottery balls except that the bottom three teams will only get two

lottery balls essentially they'll give up one that's the penalty for the penalty of the panel of the worst three teams. But the trade-off is if that's working right then the teams that finish in those positions are no longer like in the current system teams that maybe manipulate of their records to get there those are actually the worst teams because despite their best effort they ended up in those positions and so the trade-off then is those teams actually have a higher

pick floor they can't pick outside the top 12 whereas the rest of the lottery teams can fall as far as 16. So that was again another lever we felt we could pull to balance the

“rebuilding need with the winning incentive that was so important. And as far as the two restrictions”

you can't have the number one pickback of back years you can't finish top five three straight characters which say you picked fifth fifth and then won the lottery in this old system you

would then pick six that's correct that seems like that was one we're after reading it like a third

time trying to figure it all out I was like that is not only damaging but I think the bigger scope of this can no longer be a strategy forget season a season you can't hire new GM sit down with your owners and go we're gonna Sam Hanky this thing for three and a half years. That is exactly right I think you know a lot of the core of three two one is targeted at what a team does in an individual season right we don't want a team to structure itself to bottom out we don't want a team to find its

way into a season and then manipulating it's it's record by trying to lose games and move up in the lottery three two ones are going to do a great job of that we also wanted to avoid teams to continue to have an incentive to you know sell ownership on that multi-year rebuild we're just going to go bottom out get three picks near the top of the draft and kind of bounce

“right back up back can't happen anymore but the other side of it which I think is equally important”

is when you go to a system like the one we're moving to which by definition introduces more luck and randomness you also don't want to leave essentially the future of the league to to extreme levels of randomness and so you could now have stronger teams moving to the top of the

lottery but we want to limit the number of times that that could happen because ultimately this is

a thirty team partnership and distribution of talent around the league is healthy for competition and so the board of governors was very aligned in the fact that we need a mechanism to make sure that we're distributing talent fairly you could argue that the top five you know three years restriction is a bit of a blunt instrument to do that right you mentioned the going fifth fifth that may be not that may not be the same reward is going for second but you need blunt instruments

to get to this outcome which is how do we disincentivize the team from engaging in the multi-year tanking and distribute talent equitably across the league I wonder too because like the first thing is you know I would I would take a like football and go well you you can have especially with the I mean a lot of its math and limited number of games and it's like you could have a team that's like just on the cusp of being in a conference championship game and have injuries

and then it's like what if they ended up in a lottery system with the number one quarterback like it's it's like is that fair on the dispersion of talent right part of this is part of this reasoning of going this might mean some better teams are getting better players which maybe some owners in a couple years ago hey actually this isn't completely fair but do you point to we'll look at the randomness of the lottery results that we've had we've had so many years we're the team with a

10th or 11 best out is still out of winning a prize here so we've already kind of had that but

“since it's a different system I think the fear is is that it'll be labeled or blamed even though”

it's already happened right so there's a lot to unpack there I think one is a lot of frustration in our current system comes from what some call the gap here teams right a team that has a strong roster but by virtue of an injury season any injury to a star player dips down in the standings gets a top lottery pick and then of course is so not surprisingly strong again the following year that tends to frustrate teams because if you believe the purpose of the draft is to

distribute talent to the teams that need it that's not really a team that necessarily needs that talent so that was already dynamic that was playing out and the current system and so we are we are middleing that a little bit right teams can't go get that 14% they can't guarantee a top five pick in those gapier so we mitigate that a little bit but the other side of it is it's not the

built from the middle or back of the draft Denver Golden State Indiana teams that have made finals one championships without picking in the top five without getting that you know sort of franchise player at the top of the draft especially not by tanking and so it's not necessarily the case that this system is going to allocate better picks to better teams and that's going to accelerate their development so we do think that distribution of talent but more importantly

the competitive incentives that will be driven by this is just going to make for a much healthier

“competition across the league. I've always argued that I think tanking was such a priority because”

all the other talent acquisition mechanisms are nearly impossible though like used to kind of look forward to having calf space even though that didn't guarantee you anything but there was a bunch of free agents that were available now those free agents are signing extensions and then you

worry about the next move. If a player is going to demand a trade especially with the second

apron restrictions and some of the stuff which I think was part of shifting some of the power away from hey you can just ask for whatever you want you're wishes granted and look there's just a numbers part of it if you don't have one of these two or three special guys like you're probably going to be watching the playoffs later in the year so when people would get mad about tanking I would would I would agree but I go it's the toughest roster building sport that we have of any of the

team sports like you can't just go hey well let's pick from the free agent scrap heap let's let's bring in a coach and change up the system like we know what this game is built on was there ever a way to have have lessons some of the other transaction mechanisms to deemphasize tanking

“because I mean look I think the answers probably know but I'm sure you guys have just sat around”

brainstorming different ideas so I look at a few things one one is a lot of the conversation through this reform process was how do we think about the three legs of the team building stool holistically right draft free agency and trades and whether those elements are aligned right are we aligning a draft system with those with with trades of free agencies there was conversation and we're going to look at whether we could potentially shift to an even you know more dramatic

change in the future something like a draft credit system that gives teams more control over their draft assets through the bidding and trading of draft credits instead of tying it to record so there's a lot this is a draft credit thing of possibility it is and and we we need time to study it it we it wasn't something that we thought we could rush into place for next season but there was a lot of interest among teams because ultimately that that is that is the tanking solution

if there's no longer a connection to your record right if you create some other asset to manage your draft and so that's going to be interesting to study as we look to the future as we look to future CBAs but the other side of this is even if so called tanking was a strategy for the

truly bad team it was being leveraged by the not so bad teams there's an incredible depth of talent

in our league right now that if every team actually just tried to the best stability you wouldn't have teams losing games at the historic rates they are you wouldn't have the historic rates of blowouts that we have because these teams had to manipulate their player participation their star participation just to get to those positions in the standings so we want to see a system first where everyone plays their players we might not have as many generational stars in league but we

absolutely have a great depth of talent 30% of our league now comes from outside the US is adam and said that used to be 5% right a generation ago and so the pool of players that that teams are can tap into is so much deeper roster's are so much deeper with the two ways like teams have a lot of talent and we're trying to create a system where they have the incentive to deploy that talent and then we'll have a better sense of actually what we need from a system perspective.

“What do you say to Memphis fans? So honestly this was going to be no matter how you cut this right”

if you change midstream and there's outstanding pick trades some of those are going to be more valuable some are going to be less valuable if we hit implemented this 321 system without any restrictions you could argue that would have actually been a windfall for Memphis right and at any other team that owns a pick of a team on the rise the team like Utah's obviously seemingly more competitive next season under the current on the old system that team wouldn't have

had a great chance of picking near the top of the draft under a 321 system they do and so this was going to impact picks in different ways no matter how you cut it obviously this particular pick got impacted in a way that that was disappointing to Memphis but it's likely the case that in

28 and 29 you're going to see some of those same dynamics and ultimately we in the board just

felt it was an unfair it would be unfair to go selectively pick which things to address in which to not you would talked about some stuff that was like really fact because I imagine the entire job is hey we think we have this but now it's what are all the unintended consequences that sometimes you just can't understand it to you see it play out but it feels like and reading more about what you were discussing with the media it was like you had gone really deep on like we were

worried about this we're worried about this can you explain the concern of of two teams trading the same pick for each other based on some of that protection language yeah so so that was exactly why we structured at the way we did if you think about the purpose of the restrictions it's to

about before dispersion of talent but if you don't if if the restriction is absolved simply when that team trades the pick meaning the pick goes from Utah to Memphis and it's no longer restricted well now you just create all sorts of incentives for teams to game the system and once they're subject to these restrictions they just swap picks in future years and they essentially circumvent the purpose of the restriction so fairly early in this process we identified that if we want to have

“these restrictions and we felt that they served the purposes we talked about earlier you have to”

live with the fact that that restriction has to travel with the pick to prevent the gaming of the system to prevent the arbitrage and so it is not the intent of the system to restrict a team that didn't get the top picks in the prior years but it's a necessary outcome of having that rule in the

first place unless you want to have the the manipulation how far do you think you you and Adam and

certainly the governor's here like do we think there was ever I remember the old wheel scenario or basically every team gets it once over 30 years there was a lot of momentum for just abolishing the draft in general which as a draft guy that would bum me out I might be wrong maybe there's a labor part of this that's completely unamerican then it's like it's actually wrong for you to like this I do worry about like assets for trades because like it's hard enough to trade

in your league if you got rid of the draft like what the hell with the trade deadline look like um how how like aggressive were you guys thinking about overhauling so so we started with uh I'll call it a menu right we had a very long list of all of the things that have been discussed from abolishing the draft to wheels to the the draft lottery tournament which then got done by one of our players the toilet bowl uh where the worst teams compete for top picks so um everything was

“on the list to start because when you're going through a process like this that you have to”

well you guys have spent time on talking about how far did abolishing the draft make it not very far okay I think if you if you sort of fast forward to where we ended up what we signal with this system is we still believe in the purpose of the draft to be a rebuilding tool for our weaker teams right 73% of the odds are still going to the bottom 10 teams there's still only 16 teams in this lottery so roughly half the league teams that make most teams that make the first run playoffs teams that

advanced class are not going to be in this lottery and so when you start to talk about abolishing the draft or a wheel that really just completely removes any notion of team strength it doesn't reflect what we're trying to do and that's what's actually exciting about something like draft credits because even though a draft credit system might not be tied to a team's record you would expect that over time rebuilding teams are going to have more draft credits because they've traded

players for those future assets in the same way teams currently trade picks players for future picks and so we think we can mirror some of the purpose of the current system in a fresh one but

we never got too far down the path of a wheel or a abolishing the draft so what's next for you

we've got a lot going on we've got a lot of technology coming in we're looking at new replay procedures for next season we want to just get rid of all of them we don't want to say can I be at the next meeting absolutely so what one thing we're investing heavily in is automated officiating so trying to take some of those objects that one well but no I'm just saying the reaction to that people got completely freaked out

“about automated officiating yeah I think I think when you sell us on it okay so so if you”

think about the job of a referee a human referee right they are trying to judge are you suggesting there's going to be robots no no human referee right okay a referee they've got a judge contact they've got a just that's traveling they've got to figure out who's finger tip of ball touch they got to watch clocks they got to look at the trajectory the ball there's a lot to track and if we can take some of those objective calls think goal-tending out of bounds

shot clock reset two versus three and so you know what these are things that actually technology are incredibly good at determining thinking about Hawkeye antennas or semi-automated offsides and soccer automated balls of strikes and baseball we can start to build some of those into our system and allow the referees to then focus on those difficult judgment calls where they're really the experts we would not only get more of the objective calls right by allowing

referees to focus on the difficult subjective calls look at more of those right and we're going to speed up the game because we're no longer going to stop play for five minutes and three is I'm in exactly and think about a late game out of bounds we're just thinking about tennis right now we get all excited every claps year or more exactly if we see that as somebody's toes on the line so faster more accurate more transparency it's a win for fence well you've got

you just converted me there you go there you go I'll admit and I I got a phone call from the principal's office when the plan was announced and I don't think I understood a hundred percent

which is always the problem when you talk for a living you're like what is this oh this is stupid

what you fully get because at any time anything anything is new it's like oh this is stupid yeah and then the principal's office called me and said do you not understand it more on and I was like well I just don't like the idea that a team that's in the seventh spot that maybe is one

which I still don't know that is I'm fundamentally wrong about having that belief but then when it's like okay but the flip side of that is seventh out of 15th is essentially middle of the pack so I don't know how much we need to defend the middle of the pack team and they're rights to be in the

“playoffs I think in certain years we're new you're going to have a team still alive for the”

playoffs that has like 12 less wins that would be something I'm never going to be in favor of however

weighted it is against that team having to win two and in that case two on the road to get in and you know the seven or eight the best of win the one game right do you know so six years of the play-in so 12 play-in tournaments east and west all 12 seven seeds have made the playoffs yeah but I we're you're trying to trick me and I know that you would never believe that because I know that it's it's true but you're you're getting ready for the thing that hasn't happened

so you can't argue just like the execution of it to me like next year was a new lottery if something goes wrong I wouldn't go hey we've had this system one year look how dumb this is you'd be like well we haven't done this enough so I think if you think six years is better example well it's 12 because you get to double it's not right so so the beauty of the play-in to me is

it was always about two different things it was about creating really exciting single elimination

or qualifying games leading into the playoffs a nice entree to the seven game series of playoffs and like we don't have a whole lot of game seven this year we obviously had more than normal but to have that one and done competition in the NBA consistently every year we thought was great but perhaps more importantly it actually drove a whole different approach to the season itself right teams had to fight for the six spot they have to fight for seven eight they have to fight for nine ten

obviously the draft and tanking has muted that a little bit but that was the vision here is you can actually create much deeper competition across the entire season and we have a long season and we've seen that play out we've seen teams you know fighting to stay out of the play and

“feel fighting to get into it and I think it's just completely changed the dynamic and it was always”

gonna be the case that in the first few years a seven seed might feel disadvantage by that but if you fast forward a generation and then look back that's just what a seven seed is a seven seed is in the play-in

and we adjust to that because once and I never was like it's the same thing as the college football

player expansion I don't like it but when the game is on I'm not gonna sit there and soak and if it's a great game it's a great game and I think a lot of these play-in games have been fantastic and it's also I think speaks to a bigger thing that I think the league is wanted to do under a Christian silver is that more event stuff right more feeling like there's appointment viewing here beyond just hey the playoffs starting next week and that was part of the NBA Cup and because

of my experience with the play-in I had a much more open mind about the NBA Cup because then when I looked at I go well this is like the least disruptive thing ever except for an emphasis on kind of like this nice appetizer in December during the season so should we expect more stuff like this because it for the most part like you know it's funny it's met with resistance everybody freaks out and then it's like do you really and I think the lottery is kind of that

lesson too like I got to know from somebody going I appreciate having your open mind on it and I'm like what's significantly better and I think that's kind of where I evolve now because it's one of these guys look we are constantly thinking about ways to make our game and our season more engaging for our fans it's as simple as that right that's that was the purpose to play in that was the purpose of Cup that's the purpose of lottery changes we want to create the best competition from opening night

till the last game of the finals and if there's more ways we can do that we will obviously we're talking about launching a league in Europe that's going to create a whole separate level of competition could there then be down the line some you know cross pollination cross competition champions of the europe league and be a Europe you know playing against champions within the US could those teams participate in the NBA Cup in some fashion could we structure the season in some different way obviously

we've you know there's been a lot of chatter about whether we have the right number of games I think all of those things will be looked at and I think you know what I would just remind fans is there's constantly ideas coming in but it's our job to actually go evaluate that we're not just you know haphazardly making these changes it's after years and years of study looking at the research looking at simulations of how these things will impact tweaking formats obviously NBA

Cup is a great example there were a lot of ways we could have done NBA Cup that were much more disruptive and by definition would have been more risky we found a way to do it within the confines

“of our schedule other than the single championship game and I think that's what allowed it to seamlessly”

transition in that first year get the buy-in and then we can look at different formats down the road you know as as the world evolves so I think innovation is really really healthy for the league we've seen it successful in the last you know a couple years here and I think we'll constantly look at what else could we could add with Europe on the horizon then I was do you think you could go to 40 teams and then relegate 20 and then that fixes tanking and then you have to do any of this stuff

everything's on the table we have draft relegation now maybe we would have to have actual relation I could see Adam talked about supersonic jets that would maybe allow us to play regular season games more easily against the jet teams yeah exactly we used to have a Concord three at three hours

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like the legs so you could like hike don't look like the JJ watt elbow thing yeah I don't know they it felt like you would wear these hiking and they would like it's like assist you on the tentest in the square space heavily right now I could tell you that but you're surprised I knew that actually I'm sure he's heavily exploring I'm not surprised I mean yeah these guys are I've been seeing videos like these guys they put it on and they're like

rod and they're like oh my god this isn't safe so uh no kidding I'm going to add you fast yeah yeah send us a link to that I will just good turn into the Joe Rogan show another year just have Kyle yeah those words can you bring that up yeah it's terrible I don't understand what just happened I don't know what it's done really well yeah he's got a good thing going yeah yeah so yeah there's a lot of yeah people like you know I couldn't first off I couldn't

believe that you allowed us to post that I was shocked why just doesn't seem like I don't know just doesn't seem like the content that you usually put out but I was like he did because I'm only only things I put up is making shots not shirtless though and it's a little bit different yeah the angle of it yeah what about the body and where you don't know what's happening and

“that's what it is it is it will first time I saw it was I was I was stunned”

yeah there's questions if I'm fat again I think that put that there I think that put that to bet oh no no it's a good one I think sometimes the shirts could bring out more than I think I'll leave I'm not going to get all gross but like define chest I thought you look good I don't

think I thought that would put the factors to bet here's what I think we're dealing with if I were

in my 20s and actually good at basketball and that's a fucking loser the practice is handles all the time super stuff aware super stuff where I mean right if I were really good I would be like fuck this guy right sure however I think even though it's usually pretty nasty out there it was generally positive lot of fat stuff he's fat again you're a loser for you actually said it you're an adult you set up this video how many takes there were a couple you know the right I

get all that stuff I get like the guys who are impressed by the shirts I didn't wear oh yeah yeah funny um the guy doing it like seriously goes on my in my pick up we would we would absolutely strip you cookies and just like thanks Paul you know if I was there you're run must be

incredible dude I think a couple people going he's he's old or ah I was fine in my head

and um I don't I'm not posing because I think it looks sweet but it makes me believe it's probably wouldn't take that right it didn't take a lot of takes to make a three and say you know yeah people are saying the dribbles a little high yeah but you know what in that I've I called

“this out a while remember that shallow made video in New York City when he was playing the dribbles”

high there too and I don't I don't deny that he was like you know sorry we'll get bent over like Chris Paul we'll fucking back everybody down from 90 feet and yeah you know I would say the handle is where I hope it would be at my age so yeah the content is out there and I I think that's all we need right we're done we're done with that okay all right let's see here backing out of an RSVP due to the MBA finals are 33 from San Antonio we call it San Antonio yeah we got these parts

my MBA my MBA comp is a white six foot version of stepcastle pest on defense can drive to the pain and a streaky shooter all right there it is I'm gonna bit of a pickle co-worker mine who lives about four hours south of San Antonio sitting in RSVP for her daughter's graduation party about a month back that my fiance and I gladly accepted four hours I feel like people in Texas drive though like that's the thing that you could just Texas is huge you know you're gonna go somewhere

honestly it's a new in co-workers daughter's graduation that's like a stretch yeah dude for our south of San Antonio what is still is this in I'll put you all on the way I'd work I don't know

“where you type in how far south you have to go like can you still be in Texas and go for our”

south here I imagine you can but yeah that's gonna be I mean this might be right next to build that wall yeah let's see here the date for the party's June 13th of course I didn't realize until after we accepted potential conflict within BA finals game five to the border about four hours to the

border straight down so yeah where's Corpus Christy I've always wanted it's like uh

now we're just doing Corpus Christy this is like LBJ voting counties you get like 98% return coastline right I don't know but he was stuck with your ballot anyway for the senatorial race case you guys were wondering it doesn't sound like my co-host we're wondering anyway uh there's no chance in hell I'm missing the game and I haven't been going over potential excuses I have been going over potential excuses since I realized the air of my ways I decided to hold off until the

conclusion of game seven and that time is now I need help coming up with good excuses I know the stand-in thing is to be honest and just say I'm choosing the spurs over her daughter you know you're not choosing the spurs over her daughter you choosing the NBA finals over a co-workers daughter that you don't know that's four hours away correct I like car troubles I like that allow me so you guys are gonna lie can I get a kind clarification is he going to the game or is he

just want to watch the game watch it see yeah I see because if you're if you're going to the game that's an easy one be like hey I got finals tickets like I'm gonna go to the finals well funny you say that um because he said I've thought about lying and seeing my fiance surprised me the finals tickets are Father's Day or my birthday which is coming up as well but I have this friend on Facebook and I'm not sure how believable that is considering finals tickets are expensive

and I'd suspiciously not be posting anything on my social about it should I come up with something now and wait until the day off what if we take pictures for this guy send him to a game one and be like you can use our pictures for game five I don't want you to go to this thing I'd actually like you to stop feeling is guilty about this like you know the spurs are in the finals here if I have absolutely nothing to do I'm not driving four hours to my coworker's star's graduation

but here's the thing and you have something that you actually want to do and enjoy and make

your life better so um you could just be like hey dude mental health I want to watch the game mental health I want to tell you the truth I'm just going to tell you straight up I'm like in this mental health like cleansing thing and really I'm gonna be so bummed out and bummed out of you and then depressed with myself I'm just thinking about it I'm just for you thinking about it yeah I actually think it's a good play so like I think it's some great that a lot of people have been talking about this

getting out of the open stigma is gone so I'm now I want you to not have that stigma I want people to know that I'm I want people to know I'm a ballneller and if I don't watch this game then you know

“I don't think you have to lie I think you just go straight away well here's the case for like”

all right she uh stay with this she's the graduate it's not gonna be bummed if you're not there no there's no there's no check you're fine there's no that doesn't matter and then

you just need to have a good reason you the problem is you said yes without thinking about it

and like you said yes like a normal person then when oh my god I can't believe this and you should be held to that as an adult you say so why isn't a wedding it's not it's

or like is that even a real thing you know other level I don't know if you buy stakes for fifth grade

graduation I would certainly speak it out of your you would say it's right that's right it's right speaking that I've seen I was telling my wife this other day like there's some lawn signs in the neighborhood about like a fifth grade graduation and I was like are we going to be those people and she's like probably and I was like I don't want to be that person though but I like I also I also love my kid because I remember like do you remember bumper stickers back in

they like my kids in the honor society I do my parents would not put that on their cars because they're like I don't want to screw my cars up iron sharpens like that sucks and now I'm older I'm like no that was 100% the right call yeah each back guys don't put those stickers anyway yeah

so whatever she graduated high school good for her tend to check you'll be fine that's the most

“important thing yeah send a check go spurs go I don't even think you should have to lie about this”

but the tickets thing if you want came five if you want game one pictures they can look like game five I might not yeah I might know a guy probably lie if it's me but all right uh let's see another guy that has plans he has problems fourth-age lie plans rail-rooted by an engagement six foot three two ten rugby player also play basketball like a rugby player I live in a major city and decided to escape the hustle for a camping trip last year during the fourth my girlfriend

I met a bunch of awesome people from the country they were around our age and there was about eight of them we generally had a blast kept in touch since then we haven't seen them since the last fourth but we figured we run it back this year and we started making plans in early May some additional context we made friends with these folks right after moving to the big city and it was a pretty big moment for us since it was spontaneous and we initiated the original

“conversation wow that I mean maybe this guy should host the life advice on just adults meeting”

other adults and becoming friends because we're getting a lot of those lately as summer is right around the corner flash forward to Memorial Day weekend and my good friend announces to a separate group chat with most of our city friends lot of lines here everybody good I'm not even sure I am that he's proposing to his girlfriend on the fourth of July for context we met this couple before the country folks and they are closest they are the closest friends in the city okay so initially

I am super happy for them all right so just to review here for the July plans this coming holiday with the country folks they met a year ago during the fourth of July but he is now with his city friends being alerted to an engagement on the actual fourth of July whatever yeah and he's closer with the city guy but then the friend reaches out saying he's having a small party on Friday then a big party on Saturday fourth of July weekend and tells me to cancel my camping trip whoa

I've been the knee and tell him of course but I'm kind of annoyed at this point I want to celebrate this couple I'm super happy for them but isn't it insane to do this on fourth of July and expect everyone to drop their plans to attend or am I the crazy one here I'm thinking of shooting a text saying hey man I can't make the small gathering on Friday but I can make it to the larger party on Saturday I genuinely want to celebrate them and be happy for them but selfishly I'd also

like to make use of the federal holiday if I commit to Friday and Saturday I'm pretty much stuck in the city for the weekend any advice would be appreciated now this sucks I have had several things in the last couple years that have interfered with my fourth of July and it kind of pisses me off because it's just like I should be free to do what I want on the fourth of July we're celebrating freedom what I mean I should be free to do what I want to do it to go to a party to do this

if you're somebody that plans like a big life event during that weekend and this is like again what what is it and is it up put he's he's getting engaged there's something they're going to get engaged and celebrate for two days yeah it's the two days yeah dude I don't want that much attention

“that's crazy to me I I think this has to be a 20s maybe yeah this 32 year old like range yeah”

probably old the child and I could say that because I'm an oldest um I think the play is to why don't you go to the first one and then you can spend the rest of the weekend you want right go to the Friday one and then spend the rest of the weekend however you want to be well let's they're getting like the days off ahead of time so what is is the fourth yet Saturday so maybe they're getting off like

a Friday right being he can leave Thursday now I never pay attention yeah we don't you don't

ever have those days off uh here can I just say this to everybody that oh you get the Friday off yeah what so don't go if the fuck is wrong with cinnamon you guys just not be able to say hey I don't want to do this okay like what is happening to you guys you made plans already this guy decides to have a kiss double platinum engagement ceremony Friday and Saturday and then he's going to be what

celebrate that that's sure that's what we were seeing really celebrating so um you're gonna have

“to send a check for an engagement party right no but you're already gonna go to one I think you're”

totally fine be like hey dude I made all these plans I started making them a month ago and I'm psyched and I'm gonna be there I'm gonna go to one of the two legs so that I can get out of the city because I want to take advantage of having a couple days here I don't want to have to hang in the city the entire time and if he doesn't understand that then he's just a needy weirdo friend

who like needs a emotional support from our own men and would be terrible in war war two

speaking of freedom yeah that's straight facts agree I miss some of this one but I I love everything

“he's like okay I agree is I it's basically someone that I'm storming the beach at Normandy and be like”

are we sure we want to go there I just feel like you're not listening to my game we've talked about this for that would sort of be me so that's not fair I wouldn't I would not we're soldier I would just be like why are we doing this yeah why what do you mean this church like what why what's the Intel who gave us the Intel I don't like what is that person trustworthy how am I why does it what does this have to do with the over three days how we should handle anything probably isn't Bangalore's

so you guys excited for pressure yes really it doesn't seem very excited to be at all okay yeah

“just the weather I mean I understand the weather was a big part of the day but it doesn't seem”

always loves two hours with the yeah I don't know maybe I'm I don't know I'm always in I'm always

in for stuff like a lot of weather balloons in that trailer I don't know if you were what that's I could be able to carry the story yes correct well that's fair it's fair you're always good on story arcs uh anyway that's that's different than combing during a July 4th weekend for yeah cool you guys are in love happy for you but like yeah this isn't even the wedding where everybody needs pissed being like we get an invite to work with a July or we got the

Labor Day one we got more of a one where it's like okay and granted there's like tons of family that is thrilled to have this thing to do on these big weekends but there's a lot of other people that are going this is my only free time and now I'm actually spending like vacation time going to do this you got engaged we'll see you at the fucking wedding yep we'll see at the Bachelor party yep you don't get both days if I don't want to if I have nothing to do I'll

give you both days but if I already made plans I want to get out of the city because this guy played rug meaning likes to get a little dirt in his hands and hammer a stake into the ground and wonder if it's going to hold and bring a tarp just in case he gets damp you can't deny that cowboy sandwiches yeah I'm trying to walk around Williamsburg looking at REI going what's the fucking bully yeah yeah you're not the missing piece to this guy's puzzle here so yeah he's

fine without you all right just stopped start tell me if you don't go to other stuff yeah or well as no yeah enjoy this summer everyone all right thanks to Kevin Tom Kyle Serruti my name's Ryan it's Ryan or silo show our still sports [BLANK_AUDIO]