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lakeers, all the lakeers, movements, and just kind of everything that went into something that I still don't know that all of us understand. We've got George Sonneau on that and the Walker Kessler Acquisition. I'm going to go through some of the quiet stuff on my own as well. We've got Danny McBride, the man Kenny Powers.

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turns at dkng.co/audio. A lot of headlines around the NBA, and I want to start with probably, I don't know if it's the apology, but just a little self-awareness here on this. I feel like so far it's been the off season and negativity from me, whether it's Portland bringing in job, which I don't understand for a million different reasons. Not loving the Minnesota acquisition of Lamello. I was

critical of Milwaukee in the trade, but really that's being critical about ignoring the inevitable

on the timeline and then the market diminishing and then having to add a bunch of pieces that are a bunch of maybe so that one like certainty, depending on what you feel about Tyler here, but I think we're all kind of on the same page on that one. And then you have Phoenix, who I give credit for always kind of being in the mix and trying to be creative, but I don't know how much credit I'm going to give them for bringing in Miles Bridges and dumping another future on protected. As

soon as those things become eligible, the Phoenix, it seems like they want nothing to do with them. I remember years and years ago feeling like I was early on, hey, traffics are kind of overrated for the most part. Now that's really one of the top, but you could even go through the top 10. If you go through like the top 10 and do in consecutive years, four or five years out, you'd be shocked how many of those players don't even make it to year three or year four

with a team that actually drafted them. Sometimes it's just the mistake. It's usually the math

“lottery. Sometimes it's that players such in a value such a valuable asset, that's why they're moved”

out for something bigger, that's part of it as well. But I always talked about like if you hit a rotation

guy in the 20s, meaning if you hit on a draft pick that becomes a long term rotation player, never mind a starter, that should be seen as a massive win. So then you're like, well, why are we hoarding all of these things? Would it make sense to just dump all these things and have be unprotected than who cares? Our team's going to be good. That team's going to be bad, who cares about the swap and all that stuff. But you know, some of these things are going to come

back and be really, really scary. And the total price going out versus the total price going out for some of these teams and these transactions are going to be a massive difference for players that maybe be the same. So, you know, there seems to be a fascination, which is jumping these, I just kind of hate that it kind of locks you in. And we'll get to the lake or say, just it locks you in when you're okay. Now, we have no options. And then you start kind of like chasing bad money with some of

clipers move with the Raptors is an absolute home run. I don't know if they wanted to re-sign quite all. I had said quite a really complicated one because if he's got one year left without the new deal, does he mail it in all year? Because he's trying to stay healthy to make sure he gets the next contract. Or if you extend him, does that mean he's like okay, cool. I got my extension and now I'm just going to be on a quiet time, the rest of my time with this franchise. But if you look at

the acquisition, I don't really care that much about Ingram. He's going to get his 20 again. I don't trust him in the playoffs. But he was at two years and 81 million. So, it felt less about the acquisition of why then it was about what was allowing Toronto to get off what I thought was a brutal extension when they did it with Ingram. And they ended up getting what a 31 and 33 unprotected a 27 swap in two seconds. That's a really nice haul for a complicated guy in Inquiry. Because the market

was going to be limited as great as Quiry was last season. You have the contract uncertainty. So, you've got to deal with a team that's willing to step up. I'm sure all the stuff is figuring out ahead of time like Quiry said. I mean, he had that quote about. He wants to retire a raptor. He was there one year. But yet it's the city that was going to have the most appreciation for

a city that's always overlooked in the NBA world, a city that's insecure about how they're perceived.

They make it about Canada all the time and I'm just telling you most of Americans. We're not critical of Toronto's moves because they're not in our country. And so, it's a perfect place to take advantage of that. You have this incredible one year history with them. They get off of a bad contract. They're probably, I cannot wait to see what that extension looks like. I just can't wait.

“And I think Quiry probably played it perfectly. And I think Quippers did as well. And by the way,”

it makes Toronto better if you're getting anything close to Quiry of last year. And you're getting that in the playoffs. Instead of Scotty Barnes having to do it all on a zone. I mean, if they've gotten anything out of Ingram, if quickly had been healthy, they beat the calves in that series. So, play it out again with a guy like Quiry or the version we got last year, which is probably too much to expect. Toronto's a better basketball team today, even though that felt like a big price,

but they did get off Ingram. So, the biggest headline of the last 24 hours of what the Lakers are doing. We spent a lot of time talking about LeBron and speculating, I think they're hints throughout at all. I think when Rich Paul was saying, like, why does my guy have to take a pay cut, which is what you're supposed to do as an agent, but I just kept thinking, like, hey, if you're upset about what's around you with the Lakers and this really is about contention for a ring,

which is going to be really hard for any team looking up at OKC or San Antonio, there isn't going to be a move that's out there that's going to make you feel like, hey, we're at the same level. We're in the same tier as San Antonio and OKC, I guess I kind of was like, well, if you want

“money and that's important to you and you want to take more than the mid-level, then you can't be”

upset when, you know, downjray eight and is out there screwing up. I mean, sure, there was another

move, maybe there's a Mitchell Robinson move or something like that. The Durant thing never really

felt like it would be real because I think Detroit was going to let him take all of his visits and then match whatever off her sheety side and be like, cool, we ended up getting a year less on this whole thing. So, it felt a little bit about money with LeBron deciding to move on, or maybe it was just a bunch of hurt feelings. They bring in Kessler, if we run through these Lakers acquisitions, he turned down five years for 140 with Utah and it's crazy to think that Walker Kessler, who's played

this few games, this early into his career would be upset about five years and 140 million. Well, congrats to him and his agents because they were right, he gets four years and 130 million with the Lakers and that fourth year's a player option. So, it's a home run deal for him. The Lakers, however, throwing two unprotected firsts in 31 and 33 swaps in 28 and 30. That feels massive for Kessler. So, I understand, you've had two seasons here without a center. You now have this window

“because you no longer have to pay LeBron all of this money that you have to get it right.”

The Durant thing is complicated. Mitchell is exactly the perfect fit, the Celtics, that's another team that's like, hey, cool, we didn't have a center that we loved last year. We had some cool stories, but we don't know that we have a starting guy. I don't even know if Mitchell's that starting guy. I don't know if you can ever come close to playing 28, 30 minutes

a night, but they're looking at it going, we paid 47 million and we didn't pay 130 million

plus all of these first round picks on top of everything else. So, Boston Park would feel straight about it today. I like Kessler. I don't like the price. I understood what they do. Why, why they went ahead and did it. Mama, I like, I like sexton, I like rhymes. There's more depth, there's more on-ball attacking and I think they probably did the best they could trying to figure out a way to just make one through eight better than it's been in the past

all of those injuries. But I think when they were matched up against other good teams and you looked at the lake with one through eight, you go, man, this feels like it gets thin really quickly. And there were just certain guys that you just didn't know what to expect. But back to the idea of appreciation and LeBron, if it wasn't about money, if he just didn't feel appreciated enough,

“I think there's a way I can get there. But let's start with his history because as much as I”

love him, the player and arguably the most talented player this game has ever seen. When you're this gifted, when you're this special in your field, I don't know if you can actually ever be appreciative. I mean, sure, there's plenty of famous people that are telling you, hey, every day's a blessing and I love everybody and they take selfies and all that kind of stuff.

I never know how real any of it is. With LeBron, whether it was when he was in Cleveland,

the second time and Cleveland makes all these trades that help the Lakers clear out cap space and you're like, wait, you were that bad of a partner with your two stints in Cleveland, that you kind of hose Cleveland taking on all these quick fixed contracts, which also opens up a much easier window for you to go to Los Angeles. That just felt nasty, far nasty than Shabbaz Napier. And he's taking them because Shabbaz Napier's in LeBron's tweets. And I'll admit, like the

Bronny thing, the Lakers drafted your son who's a marginal NBA player, probably an undrafted prospect. And I don't care about the G League stats because you don't care about the G League stats. Because if you look up the top scores every single year in the top 10, you don't know who eight of them are. All right. And they drafted him and they given the four year deal and they just picked up the option, which all should have told us that that date meant something because they guarantee

the next year of Bronny's contract for North of $2 million and not 12 hours later LeBron's like I'm out of here. They couldn't even give it like an extra day or two to make it look better. And if you think that's cool, that's fine. I don't love it. But again, if you think it's cool, did you think it was cool when Bruce Pearl's son got to take over Auburn because Bruce left late enough in the coaching cycle to know that they would actually have to go with his son.

Because I'm telling you right now, the person defending the Bronny thing is not in the same bucket of the person who thought that was cool. Now granted, I think the Pearl thing was much worse, much more impactful a little dirtier. But with Bronny, we're talking about somebody at the end of

the bench. It's not that big of a deal. But that is always something that you're signing up for

with LeBron. Whether it's hey, you're going to hire my coach. You're going to fire this guy.

“You're going to make this deal. These are all things that you have to factor in to bring him in.”

Now, if you're on the pro LeBron argument, which I can make as well, it's like, hey, you guys missed the playoffs for like five straight years without me. I show up. We win a ring. We never get a D unless it's me being involved because we're the ones that made that happen. It got him out of New Orleans. And if we didn't have a D here, then you don't end up with Luca. Can you imagine this Lakers team with a banged up AD, Austin Reeves and then LeBron leaving? And then trying to figure

out what you want to do with Anthony Davis around it? So as much as there's uncertainty now, the Lakers aren't the favorite without LeBron, none of that stuff happens. And he was also playing in his city that for whatever reason, unlike anything I've ever experienced in all of my years of paying attention to sports, whether working in it or just being a fan like every one of you,

living here, I've never seen anything like it, running into guys who love the Lakers,

love Kobe even more. And his LeBron has turned this franchise around. He's surrounded by, I don't know that it's the majority, but I'm telling you constant fans complaining about LeBron. And being so protective of Kobe, it felt like they were rooting against their own favorite team success. I have nothing to compare that to. So if you're LeBron, it kind of reminds me of a like the John Henry ownership with Boston. It's like you losers couldn't get it done for 80 years

and we went forward and you're going to tell us we don't know what we're doing. We're supposed to sell the team. I've used that example before. I'll continue to use it because I even though don't love what the Red Sox do for the last few years, I could understand coming to that conclusion, especially if you own the fucking team. And if you're LeBron going, all right, do we want to go over again? Where you guys were stuck? What was going on here? How bad this roster is? So not just me

and then all the power was a clutch and what we were able to do and win a title. And you want to tell me that I'm not the guy that that has enough appreciation when I'm walking around the city knowing that all these Kobe fans actually are rooting against me. So I don't know if it was money.

“I don't know if it was appreciation. I think all of these things are important. When you try to figure”

out what the next move is, I think Sanitone who makes the most basketball sense, I think he could be the person that because the roster is so young, he can be the most version of LeBron.

up for it. But I'd tell you what, I would love an organized late offensive possession that gets

“women young and involved in something which I think LeBron would do better than any single”

person on that roster. If he wants to be appreciated and be able to kind of be peak LeBron and call the shots, the last chance he has for that would be in Miami, the most appreciation is no doubt Cleveland and the best basketball story as far as just talking points is Golden State. And it might be Golden State might be the place where he's the most willing to be deferential. Because what are you going to do? Show up and start telling stuff and dream on and steeper

and everybody there that this is how it's going to be done from now on because I'm LeBron James. I imagine he still wants that stuff and it's just hard to sign up for it again when somebody's turning 42 years old in December this season. I don't want him to go to Golden State. I want separation of church and state. I want separation of LeBron and stuff. I think San Antonio would be weird because I think that's the basketball decision that

gets him the most shit but maybe after 20 plus years people just be over it. I'm like, what am I going to get mad about a Marine chasing here? So I don't know how he's weighing all of this stuff but I'm telling you if he wants to be appreciated in a new place more than he feels like he wasn't with Los Angeles it's not Miami and it's probably Cleveland. I don't usually get excited about loyalty programs you know me. They promised big rewards

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I don't could have seen it. What's up and thanks for having me. Let's start with a LeBron move first.

“What do you think one into is decision to move on? Honestly, the more I thought about it yesterday,”

I feel like this was coming for a year, right? Like we all remember Rich Paul on the statement that he put out last year and that you know they respected them building around Luca but LeBron wanted to compete for championships and it just kind of felt like at least since that time LeBron has done the right things outwardly right and publicly in regards to Luca and it being his team. But not necessarily in agreement or in alignment with the way the front office and the franchise

maybe wanted to build this team. So I think that there's been an issue really going back a year. So while I was a little surprised that he left when I was talking to Winhorse the other day and he said this on TV too he made some comment where I guess he had talked to Rich Paul and Rich said that you know the line that now we've heard a bunch of times which is you know happiness will drive the decision not money. That's when I was like oh he may leave the leakers because you don't say that

when the leakers can clearly give you the most money because nobody else is going to be able to give you more than $15 million and even in the worst case scenario they're going to be able to give you more than that. So I just feel like this goes back a year. I don't think it's necessarily like a Luca thing by any stretch of the imagination. It's more like hey you told me for the last seven or six and a half seven years this was a partnership and now I'm not really a partner anymore

like you're partnering with him which I totally understand but I thought I'd probably have a seat at the table here and it didn't seem like he did. I understand all that and that's a really good

starting point because there's always rich quotes that make you go okay you know like when they

start talking about why does he have to take a pay card you know like is that an agent thing or is that of be respectful or brawn thing but I if I were talking to Rich I would just say well what were they supposed to do that was different if Luca weren't there what were these moves that you would have wanted to make. This isn't like it was some 20 year old kid that they go we've got a bit of a runway here so let's make the right decisions unlike a three year plan. There's still

would happen if they say hey we're building around you and not Luca then in what world like what's

“the scenario where it's all that different with their limitations financially. Well I think and this”

is just me now recklessly speculating here right I think that you know when even when Davis when Anthony Davis was on the roster I think him and LeBron wanted someone else to play center right like they wanted more size and I think that last year adding Deondre8 and was probably like really this is what Rich doing you know what I mean and I don't you know look man it all runs together now like I don't know what else they could have done but I'm fairly certain and I I'm fairly

certain I can say this just because I've seen it play out in every stop he's ever been including

here in LA in the first several years which is when you get in the LeBron business you are expected

to push the chips to the center of the table every single chance you get right and I think he probably viewed them as hoarding these draft picks that they then use for Walker Kessler today on the day we're recording and saying like hey why don't you use those when you know I wanted it or AD wanted it or we all wanted it like why why wait um and they clearly had a plan that they wanted to stick to and he didn't like it it seems like and you know I think they also

were ready to move on too right it's this uh when it's paltyro crisp martin conscious uncoupling where everybody's playing nice but it really is a divorce and we should just call it a divorce what do you think the best fit for him is then moving forward um I don't think it's golden state like everybody seems to think right I maybe I'm wrong but I just think the West is too hard and you know Steph is had some injury things right Jimmy when is he gonna be back is it

February like what I and I look he'll be motivated to play because we all know if there's one thing Jimmy Butler wants is another contract right so I'm not worried about Jimmy playing hard or any of that stuff in in a one year scenario um you know and and drama is still good defensively

“but the rest of that roster is like um I think you should go east and you know that leaves”

Cleveland or Miami I don't see a great fit with Janice you know but if you could convince me that that has a higher ceiling than the cabs potentially um because what are the cabs going to have to do to kind of free up um a roster or free up stuff to make a roster that fits around him and harder than Mitchell right because now you're talking about a team that isn't great defensively you're only real trade chip is mobley and so you're you're gonna lose one of your best

defensive players of not your best defensive player like I just don't see a clean fit with Cleveland and Miami so in complete that I don't know if there's a clean fit there either I just think that and this is gonna sound super homerish right and I get it but you're telling me he's gonna play with Janice and Bam at least he's protected defensively which is where we've seen some erosion in his skill set so I guess Miami but you can convince me Cleveland if they make the right moves

and I don't know if it's mobley that needs to be the guy that moves maybe it's Allen that needs to be moved and they can figure out some more size and and versatility on the wings that they can get to help those guys particularly off the bench I know they've looked into maybe moving screws and shrewd or I don't know what that really will net you but I just think ultimately the east either one of those two teams to me makes more sense I know people have thrown out

Denver recently I'm intrigued by him in yokeage but again it's just the west I would stay out of the west I understand why Janice wanted to stay in the east I get like a while now move to the east

guys should have been moving to the east for years I've never understood the fascination

with going out west because it's just too hard I talked about this in the open and trying to like

“figure out what makes the most sense I think basketball I say in Antonio makes the most sense”

oh sure he might be able to I don't know how I want to frame this but I just to get through it it's like kind of get away with being well bra because I don't even as he turns 42 I don't think he's expecting to just go well I'm just along for the ride now Golden State I think he'd probably be the most deferential because he has no choice too like I don't think you can be the version of LeBron you've been for 20 years where you expect everything to be on your terms Cleveland would

let him do whatever he wants San Antonio maybe just because the roster's so young more deferential to him as opposed to what I'd mentioned there in Golden State I feel like Miami's ruled out because he knows he'd be able to get away with at the least there probably so maybe there's the history that plays into it but this Lakers marriage in divorce tells me that

because ultimately the success is based on your talents and your abilities but the Lakers did do

a lot for this guy and yet he still always felt like they were never doing enough and when he is

prime LeBron which is the longest prime of any NBA player we've ever seen you know what you're signing up for and you're happy to sign up for it but if you're talking about a one-year deal or a one-plus one or however they want to structure it there's just a different level of like yeah we like you we want you here but you know this is not going to be your franchise the way his other

“experiences have been in the past and that's why even though I think Miami would make some”

sense there'd be a lot of opportunity you know this probably goes down for a little bit bams probably fine getting less shots all that kind of stuff I just I think you know this better than anybody probably part of that divorce after four years as LeBron couldn't be treated the way he was treated in Cleveland was thrilled to go back to Cleveland to have the keys to everything everybody get out of his way yeah so at 42 for one year with a couple other options there it's like if you're leaving

LA because you probably don't feel appreciated are you going to go to Miami to feel that probably not yeah I will say this about Miami it is a different day there you know when he left there in 2014 it was still Riley's Rooster rule right that is not necessarily the case there anymore it you know for I would say at the very least you know since the arrival of Butler there

“Pat has taken more of a Jerry West role with like the clipers and warriors then he has been kind of”

ruling with the iron fist like dude you know Pat you know for many many years for nearly 30 I mean everything crossed his desk like everything I mean everything I mean everything things that went on the freaking jumbo trot you know crossed his desk that's not the case anymore I feel like it's ruled more collaboratively there between the arson's Nick and Mickey with Nick taking the primary role Mickey's son who's really worked his way through the ranks there I mean hell Mickey and I know

people are gonna be like oh yeah some rich kid got to you know work for his dad I mean unlike a lot of kids in that scenario you know I remember him selling tickets literally in the ticket booth so like he has worked his way through every aspect of that organization you know and Andy Elisberg obviously is a key contributor there into the equation you know guys like Alonso morning you know they're Adam Simon who's been there super scout forever he finds all these gems in the draft then

in the G league or whatever and Riley has a seat at the table you know and and Spoh obviously has a seat

“at the table so I think it's a little different than it was back then but you're right it is still”

a version of military school maybe just not as strict as it was back then let's take a look at

the lakeers now this kessler acquisition which had been rumored about forever he gets his deal it's always

kind of frustrating to watch the restricted stuff play out because you kind of just want to remind the players do not understand what restricted for agency is I don't know if they be better off just getting rid of it I don't think the owners would want to get rid of the extra control and then of course you know the guys that aren't the slam dunk extension end up feeling like hey how come how and look for kessler it works out he ends up getting the contract that he wants the jazz

probably go to unprotected first two more swaps yeah this is a no brainer for somebody who he's coming off a shoulder surgery and he's probably like a weird probably too well liked analytically and then not appreciated enough on the basketball side of it but this is a massive massive swing but they've also been a team that just hasn't had a center they like for two years so your thoughts on kessler yeah they had no choice to your point they had

fallen behind in regards to their big man rotation I mean you could make the case they had

the worst center room of any playoff or play in team perhaps I mean they were bottom third easily

in regards to their center room and now they bring in a guy who helps them in areas they were deficient they couldn't protect the room they couldn't get rebounds particularly offensive rebounds he's awesome at both those things right I'm not super worried about the injury situation he's so young like he's not even 25 yet so I'm not worried about that and the other part of the equation is mean we saw the Dave McMiniman report like they promised Luca hey he wanted

an a-lice center we're gonna go get you an a-lice center we can argue about whether he's an a-lice center maybe in 2026 he is he fits certainly with what Luca has had in his career right he can be a derigolively type or a gaffered type like he can do those types of things so offensively is he limited

to be more than competent on that side of the ball for what they would want him to do I think he's a really good fit but yeah it's a lot to give up and we knew this was only gonna end one of two ways

with with Kessler if that's who they wanted and I never thought during was actually gonna be a real

possibility because I just don't think Detroit is gonna give up on it right and it was either you're gonna tie up your cap space on an offer sheet and Danny Angel's going to wait till literally 1159 on July 7 to give you an answer or you were gonna have to make a deal and use the assets that you had remaining to make this thing happen and Danny was gonna take them all because

“that's what Danny does so here we are it is a risk but it's a risk worth taking because they”

had no choice in the matter in the matter excuse me so I think it makes them better for sure in that regard I like the signings they made even beyond that I may be the guy who loves the Quentin Grimes signing more than anyone I think this dude can defend well I think he's certainly a more well rounded offensive player than Marcus smart at this stage or at any stage probably I mean guys score 40 points in a game that's too long ago right like this guy can score and he's a good

defender in my opinion you know Colin Sexton okay you know punch off the bench like it is what it is like he's he is what he is and then Maamu Kailashvili but he's down great on Hachimura but for the price I don't think it's gonna be a huge drop-off necessarily so I think they did pretty well but the center position in the Kessler stuff I mean he's had over 400 blocks in the 200 games he's played that puts him in pretty rare air in that category so I think they needed to do it they

“had to do it they had no choice and I think he's he's a good fit are they better than they were last”

year I don't know because you still aren't replacing the LeBron production of it they're just gonna have to be different and they're gonna need Luca and Austin to raise their games particularly Austin to raise his game even further I think they're better I think they're deeper I think defensively you need somebody to anchor it back there that's gonna be engaged the entire time which is not what DeAndrey was ever going to be especially when you know you know part of the

LeBron defensive decline I don't think it showed up as much as it should have because

everybody was gonna pick on Austin Reeves first and then they may say hey let's go to Luca

and then I even remember talking to a coach about it being like how come we're bronzing the tackle it's like it's actually kind of like a respect thing at times and there are other options there so I think you're better defensively I like Maamu better than really just because I think he's so versatile um I did like Ruby a lot and in the yoke it's kind of defensive match up I like some of the ways that Ruby could hold up against some of the bigger guys they would use them on

one minyama and he had some really great playoff moments for him as well but Maamu's more on the ball the shooting has been really good he's he's just a really good ball around player as long as your expectations aren't thinking you're gonna be carried by him offensively which they don't need him to and Grimes you know not to be default teenager on TikTok but you know Grimes is an absolute bucket who can take over a quarter and that's on ball stuff and then you know you throw in

sexton who's almost become forgotten in this journey from Cleveland to Utah to Charlotte where it's like he can I'm not telling you wanted to be your starting point card so there's a lot of guys now collectively that can get their own offense off the dribble which is not really something that they had with with with a couple other people that would be out there or eight and was basically I had to be off the catch Rui has to be off the catch smart you probably didn't want shooting a ton but

really he was gonna be left open because everybody was gonna leave him so they have added with this group with it being healthy like there's a lot of guys on the ball which is a lot like the okay see thing which is a lot like the San Antonio deal or if somebody gets stuck with the

“ball can they get out of that off of the dribble and I think that part of it's great it's just so”

hard for me as you said when you're stuck and you have no choice and it's like so now we have no control over the draft fix and I know LeBron's probably sitting in a rich ball of me like now you use these picks it's like well they were able to use the picks because they could do the contract for caster that they could not do if you were still here so that's that's fairly simple like you can't be like oh now they do this so that caster price scares the shit out of me and like all of

these deals with two picks seven years from now you know six years from now and the swaps we don't know like it'll it can end up being like that's a massive mistake or it can end up being like hey you

realize like we never even gave up the swaps and both picks landed in the 20s like who cares

which is what it seems like half the teams in the league do every summer well and that doesn't even factor into the equation the changes to the draft system to begin with right or who knows

were out for an extended period of the season and they missed the playoffs all together who knows where those picks would even be yeah that's something that I thought was interesting when

like when I looked at Charlotte and it's like a Charlotte the first team that's going and looking

at this going we don't want the worst pick we don't want the worst teams we want scenarios and who knows I mean who knows what any of these picks are going to be but say ant were to miss a season and it's the season that the picks line up with Charlotte and they have the one but potentially three swaps I mean all of this is luck related short it'll be really funny if we think the unintended consequence leads to teams that have a swap or just know they're giving up the rights of the pick

and they tank to avoid being the team that's giving up a number so they'll tank into the worst record yeah and having half the chance at the number one overall pick by not being in that that relegated tier I mean and now I'm just having fun and thinking about all the stuff that maybe will weren't really quite thinking about so maybe I don't need to spend a ton of time on what is one team going to do in 233 but it's it's a massive massive price but look at

presinguess you know I knew that contract was gonna happen I absolutely knew I go that guy

barely plays is a stretch five who protects the rim and he gets 20 million apart and size is

at a premium in the NBA and over the last couple years it's made we've gone you know we're old enough to have seen you know grown up in the era where everything went through the center right and then the game started to expand right and and became more of a perimeter oriented game and you need the wing right you still need the wing don't get me wrong but like you you know we went through the small ball era right with the warriors in the heat those the brown heat teams

and stuff and dream on in those guys and their death line up to now we've gone back to hey you need multiple bodies I mean the Oklahoma City Thunder added the uh Mara kid right um they have a heart and stone redesign right they've got check I mean the spurs drafted the kid from Kentucky like this is the reality yeah you know draft the two of them and we're right like the anniversary right from uh you can as well you're right um so it's like this is where we're at now

“so you have to kind of build the team accordingly so and if you're the lakers you know as we”

talked about just a few moments ago I mean the center position was just so bad and look the funny thing with eight and it's so funny because on the talk show on 710 in LA when he signed I you know he came on with us and I straight up just like asked him like hey man like you haven't you know in the nicest way possible I basically sit to you haven't really lived up to the billing right like what's been the issue and keep blamed Portland like entirely like he put it all on Portland

and that you know which discounted kind of the end of his Phoenix tenure but you know what you're gonna do your fight with the guy on the air um so like but I was trying to tell fans the whole time like look man the numbers are gonna look good but the impact is where you have to worry and you know and I think people get fooled by that because if you haven't watched him regularly you you you do you can get fooled but once you've seen him play for an extended period of

time you just know the deal and you could tell man JJ's level of frustration with him just visibly when you watched a game at home he was hard it wasn't hard yeah you didn't need to you didn't need to be an advanced scout like why is he not playing in the fourth quarter now um and he picked

“up the player options so right I think they deal him just for like some seconds if I had to guess maybe”

I'm wrong but I know what does that tell you about his market right now that he picked up because when you were going through and I mean like all of us collectively you were looking at about you okay they have a possible hundred million in cap space likely cap space is zero because the cap holds and everything and then the space opens up the bronze on but then you're looking at every one of these options you're okay so what's this guy gonna do what's gonna then you

give that eight million dollar number eight and I'm like how one if he picks it up and I like now he's still young enough to center like somebody will give him a two for twenty and like they knew they already knew you're probably better off locking in this eight million with the perception

of you right now is a player and and the funny thing is like the reaction I always get when I

talk to people about eight is like and this isn't wrong either but they're like you know but think about for eight million dollars what are you gonna get that's better and I'm just like yeah I get it but that's not like I just am I don't know about you but I just get so frustrated watching him because I know there's a better player in there and you just want to want it pull it out of him and it's just not gonna happen at this stage like it is what it is um yeah I think I think we've

discovered yeah is that is like well you you getting good value for eight million he's a good

“eight million dollar player I'm like I guess if you want to convince yourself of that shirt but”

yeah I looked at the prosing is language like when that was first announced and then what it actually

want to make it sound like a eight and had to pick up an eight million dollar player option

“and prosing is got forty million um how good are the likeers I think there are playoff teams still”

all right so let me let's do this exercise here okay see San Antonio at the top you know I got to respect yo get you'll be in the top six still um beyond that Houston Houston still gonna win close to figure yeah yeah they'll be in the top six yeah so I have them like in the five six range yeah like in that top five or six range sure last thought here and I think you'll appreciate this because you're not from Los Angeles yet we

both are based here for a while and it's something that I brought up and it gets back to that theme of appreciation where I don't know that LeBron is capable and I don't even know that it's necessarily a criticism in some cases it's a criticism like I think the brony thing I wish I had known when that guarantee date was because that's that's the most LeBron thing ever is to wait for that guarantee thing to pick up make sure it's kids good and it's also like okay now I'm

out of here um there's there's a bunch of different things that we could go over and I mentioned some of them in the beginning of the podcast but you could also say in defensive LeBron's

feelings about the organization about the city is I've never experienced anything like it

with Kobe fans that would rather LeBron lose in the NBA finals on their favorite basketball team because they would rather root against a stronger argument for LeBron against Kobe than root for the franchise they grew up rooting for I know that's insane but it is a real thing out in Los Angeles that you do not understand I would have never ever ever any money who told me that I don't care if they lived it I'd be like you're insane nobody thinks that way so many people think

that way and I can't imagine what LeBron would be thinking with his buddies going how weird is this

“we've been talking for about 25 minutes and we could have done just 25 minutes on this seriously I think”

like I don't think people who don't understand LeBron's fandom or lived in Los Angeles can grasp that concept to your point but it is absolutely the case now you couldn't pin me down on what percentage of the fan base that is but it is a significant enough percentage of the fan base that

it is noticeable okay and noticeable to everyone and for that reason I've always felt like as weird

as this sounds it's a little bit of a lose lose with him right I mean he's been chasing in his mind he's he's said it right like I'm chasing ghosts with Jordan right but now and again this is not a pun by any stretch of the imagination like Kobe became you know was a rival for a short period of time I think just because of you know where their careers crossed and I think Laker fans always took on bridge with the fact that they feel like Kobe was disrespected in the national conversation

about where LeBron stood in comparison to Jordan and why Kobe was not involved in those conversation

“and I kind of get it too because and I think you and I talked about years ago shortly after like”

Kobe passed um I mean they saw him grow up it's different right like they he was 17 years old when he got here he was there right in a way that you know no other player other than Magic Johnson really has been you know what I mean so I think that or at least in the modern era right so I think that I understand them defending his legacy tooth and nail I don't get it in regards to to your point potentially even rooting against your own teams success because you deem this person

not worthy of being Kobe Bryant right it is odd um but it is absolutely the case show you know

he says he's chasing ghosts with Jordan he's he was always chasing Brian's legacy which he was

never gonna reach um he he even if he would have won more than one title like I just don't think that would have ever been saw you know something that would have worked in his favor there would have always been a percentage of the fan base because they are Kobe fans first and Lakers fans second that that he just would never have been good in their eyes like you know and Bena a Laker in their eyes like there's this notion that he wasn't a real Laker I don't know man he's been eight years here

he won a championship honestly that year after they won if he doesn't if Solomon Hill doesn't roll into him and buses ankle L they might have won again or at least they would have been certainly in the mix I think they were better than Phoenix they were up to one against Phoenix in that series um so a lot of things in sliding doors obviously but yes that is to me honestly

content in regards to that because it is wild and while I grasp the concept of these fans that hold Kobe in that regard I don't get it in regards to kind of potentially rooting against your own

team it has always been something that's mystifying to me busy day for the Lakers man I'm sure

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“bride is out today and he joins us I think it's a good sign I can't believe that this happened but”

this morning is I was prepping I just turned on Spotify and spoon man randomly became the first song so I think it's a good sign it was in the universe man it was you it knew you were coming here right now yeah I mean I could sit here in Chris Farley out and talk about the spoon man rant and the Eastbound but I'll I'll start with the book we can circle back to spoon man we will we will because I want to know if that guy if you actually do know him the book is is great for a bunch of different

reasons you know you're clearly passionate about storytelling I love the dedicated to your English teacher and I just wonder if it's kind of fun for you doing press reminding people who are actually

smart and not really can any powers you know what it is always good to confuse the press and never

know who they're really speaking to but yeah it has been fun to go around and talk about this book and I I've noticed that the press for is a little bit different than when I have to promote my shows the questions have been way more thoughtful yeah the New York Times piece I mean they

“had you posing on and I think some sculptures or something so it was black and white and I”

went I don't know if this was his idea or not or he was like my idea I'm going to play the apartment there's I go look there's themes I've read a couple of the interviews and seen some of the stuff you've done and and I think there's like an attempt to be profound because it's such a fun book and here you're like what does this really mean but I think there is an overwriting thing of like man's desire to be great especially with the first first short story Greg who thinks he's a

magician or an illusionist not really what inspired you wanted to tell that kind of story you know I think that you know like you said there's it's funny because even just doing press it with like you know literary people they do want to kind of read a ton into this so I'll see things about like oh this is about fragile masculinity or this or that it to be honest it doesn't really have anything to do with any of that shit like to me it's just their funny stories that have unlikely

protagonists and then I feel like the way to get the maximum amount of comedy is to make those protagonists have layers to make them make sense to the audience when they read it of like this is how this person thinks this is why then thinking this way has probably got them in hanging in a glass tube in the middle of a shopping mall trying to prove everybody like

what's important to them and who they are and I guess for me it's like I just always have

light stories where the scope of the story is told in the way we're like what the character is doing feels epic to them but to nobody else you know that like at the core of it there's something very grounded and very set in our world but the person's own ideas themselves make the story feel like it has way more massive stakes you mentioned you know I know in the past you talked about your parents getting divorced from your younger and divorces a theme in that first story my parents

got divorced and there's just things that you understand I mean is it very normal as you get older you start to like replay scenarios and you go oh my god now I understand what this meant and it felt like in this case like Greg was just shutting down because everything else was was kind of shutting

“down this was the only thing you had control of totally I think it was in that story specifically”

yeah he's sort of his whole life as far as is going out of his control and he asked to sort of try to find a way to center it and the idea of like proving to the world that he's like a David Blaine knockoff seems to be the solution but it sucks too because I can't believe he has friends

you have good friends is when you can tell him to fuck off and they still show up to protect you at night you know there's one part of the story where he's buying Gijos for his son and he's pissed that he doesn't understand how awesome the Gijos are they seem so specific to that come

“from anything because it was so sad you know what it luckily my kids enjoy my Gijos but I just I think”

all of it comes from you know I'm always examining my own life and my own experience and my

buddy's lives and I'm just trying to find that sort of the humor in those things and I remember before my son was like you know he was still just a baby I was instantly went to like he's not even a year old and I'm trying to get him into every single toy I was ever into you know he's just put them in his mouth and just that idea I think that sometimes when you're a new parent you do sort of like start looking at like your kids childhood as a way for you to buy a bunch of

shit that you like when you work in and so I think it's sort of like exploring that a little bit the Institute of Men I enjoyed I would say though as a guy that still has hair it's a bit like when I talk about the WNDA I'm told that I shouldn't I don't I don't know if you're the right

person to talk about yeah I was I enjoyed it but it's somebody who struggled in that area I'm like

“I don't know that you should be the messenger well you know for what it's worth I I consulted”

with with various men who were struggling with hair loss to make sure that I got the authentic story you know because you do have a moment of like what am I willing to do and in it beginning I remember I had an apartment where it had like a three like folding mirror thing so I would get in there like the most advanced scientists trying to split the atom and I'd be setting up like one angle here to there going how bad is this getting and I'm okay with it now

but during I think I think you're pulling it off I think that you have a good shape head there's not there's not a weird bumps there and you know I think he complimented your face you don't

have got the gollum-est features it's not making you look like a troll you know no and I felt I

it really I felt so bad for the guy you know this is just kept them funny as part about the book is it was so hard to not read every main character in your voice yeah well you know that was part of what I wanted to do with this like I wasn't sure if my audience or my fans would come to this you know like it was an experiment to try to do what I've done in TV and do it in a completely different format so even when I was writing these I was writing in the same way I would one of my shows like

“where I was imagining that I'm the guy playing this part and I think as I got deeper into the”

stories I didn't need to rely on that as much like then I started finding my group with it but that was part of my mission when it's when I started is like if if you're hungry for another eastbound or for another gemstones these are sort of other stories that could exist in those worlds and be told in similar fashions yeah that's definitely something that that because I go oh this is this a show or is this character enough to build a season around I mean

we're we're any of these stories partially motivated by something that was like left over on an outline of something you were trying to figure out you know what honestly they were none of them have ever existed as any other format than this and I and I really wanted to approach it that way like I didn't want this to feel like it was you know half finished remnants of something that a studio didn't green light I really wanted to try to use this format and create something

that was specific to this space now that they're done I'd definitely like go to a few of these stories and I'm like I would love to kind of expand some of these and do more but writing it that wasn't the intention I just wanted to make them work in this format that's noble of you because a lesser man may have been like yeah I've been putting three out of pages together I was fun about this thing too was that you know after the books written then you know we've done an audio book for it

and the audio book was at was honestly so much fun to do I read I read two stories in there and then I pull in like John Goodman and Shane Gillis and Walton Goggins and Eady Patterson and Eric Andre and Sam Rockwell Billy Credley had a cast of characters in there and it was fun to hear actors read these roles and read these stories and read the level of life into them that yeah it it only kind of sparked that fire of like it wouldn't be fun to kind of expand some of these

now that they're done. Do you read the Institute of Men? I'll Shane Gillis reads the Institute of Men. Okay because I don't know what it was but that smash burger dialogue of like do you like smash burgers and it was like why don't I do but I don't know why I said they're unbelievable and I'm reading it as you and I'm dying laughing on the plane and if you explained it to somebody I'll say go why is that so funny and like you just have to understand like that is it is true I don't

know why I said that about I mean they're good but all right so I think there's do you feel

of them it seems like you know the I kind of you know grown up in the 80s and 90s and movies

it's like the main characters of comedies always kind of seem to be a little bit similar like they

were always like you know you can go back to 80s comedies it was always sort of like it wasn't the job it was always like the guy who can't get laid or the guy who's hearts in the right place but you know he loves the wrong girl and they always had these like for comedies they always had these kind of protagonist that I felt we're always like just a little soft you know like they was sort of like what motivated them was just sort of like being loved or something and it felt

like it felt like you'd that was well traveled territory and you'd seen that enough and I would sort of get I would laugh at shit like smoking the bandit where then like you know suddenly it's like Bert Reynolds the center of it and he's just trying to look cool and fucking take ass and like so I started being interested in like well one of these comedies are not centered around somebody ultimately that sort of like broken or unfulfilled because he can't get laid like what if it's like

they're fucked up because they think they're the fucking hot shit like they're they're the opposite they're not someone who's like waiting to be accepted for like the true hero there's someone who thinks that they're a hero they think they're badass and then the comedy is not from like them ultimately winning it's out from them facing who they really are and it just felt like that when I would apply that to stories I just felt like the stories ended up being funnier like

“they ended up being more unexpected and I think it kind of keeps the audience on their toes because”

you know when you have Neil Gambian, Lee Russell like once they burn the woman's house down you're not really sure what you want to have happen with them like you don't necessarily know whether you want them to win or go to prison or whatever and I think that's a really cool place to keep the audience where they really can't see all of your moves coming because they're still trying to decode how they feel about the story that's being told. Yeah and just so many stories

they they always feel like they have to have a lesson and what I've always liked about your

characters it's like what if this person never wants the lesson you said okay and I think that's actually kind of like a hard pitch it's like okay what's the full circle arc and the the arc is that for a lot of people it doesn't necessarily ever get figured out we're just there to hang out with them and learn why they can't figure it out as opposed to some big bow at the end of it.

“I think that's totally it and part of that is inspired you know I went to film school and North”

Carolina you know David Green and Jodi Hill and a lot of these guys I collaborate with on our shows in movies you know we really love the like 70 cinema like we love those like kind of messy 70s character peace dramas like things like five easy pieces or rip torns payday or even like

taxi driver and all those movies just always had these sort of fucked up central characters that

the ends of the movie never revolved around those guys like learning a lesson becoming better at the end you know it it never was that and you know the ending of five easy pieces if you've never seen it it's Jack Nicholson it's awesome but it really is what inspired us to make the last scene of the first season of eastbound was like straight up like inspired by the end of that movie of you've been watching the sky make mistakes and he has an opportunity to like make

the right choice and you and you watch him not make it you know and I think it it that resonated with me when I was younger and I would see that because I would leave the movie not feeling necessarily completed but thinking more you know like I like thinking more about like what that meant and like how like even just leaving a character messy like that it weirdly kind of gives the character more life once the story's over because it you're kind of left to kind of

parse out the fucking remains of what they did and why they did it and will they ever figure it out it leaves the audience with more questions than closure yeah I look I love it I actually sometimes

“hate when I'm forced fed some closure and I think it messes up a ton of endings and I always”

kind of think in storytelling like why can't you just tell a story and then this is where your audience experiences over it but it doesn't it doesn't we don't need closure all the time he's been a down you know all of us have watched a million times we quoted all the time well by the way the the life of this show in the clips in the bloopers I mean the number of times I've laughed at you debating cut chemist the the markfreena mushroom jazz pole as somebody that

as soon as a new volume came out yes we do it on to the party and girls always loved it and they be like what is this I'd be like it's markfreena it's one of the most you've grads volume three right there's we're on volume seven now by the way as an aside markfreena invited me personally to two shows one of the one of the absolute highlights of my career brushing it yeah I mean it's all down the left or that but the show lives in a way that very few shows get to live whether it's

successful when it was around but it just isn't going away you know what it's honestly it's great

“like I I I love that and when we were writing that show we were hoping that that's what would have”

we were hoping that with that show you know we were making it about a character that could be timeless that that could like translate to you know other generations of like comedy fans that it would he wouldn't be so much about the right now that like eight years later people who come to it fresh can identify with who this guy is or what he's about and and I think that's because of the what we chose to satirize which we were satirizing a type of dude in a type outlook that I don't think

goes away I don't think it's uh I don't think that like goes out of fashion I think everybody knows somebody who's an ego maniac who thinks that they're hot shit and to really seize their life going in a different direction and the reality of it I think that that's just like a timeless thing that people can identify with and just the way in which Kenny reacts to that ultimately is like that's what's so juicy to watch when we wrote Halloween you know we sort of realized that I go

people like love Michael Myers you know like he's fucking killing people and they love them they caught they show up with his face on shirts and it's like can you sort to realize that what the

“fans like is they like watching him fucking destroy people and for and I feel like that's what”

weirdly we embed it with Kenny is that once you understand how he works you enjoy watching him fuck people up did you did you ask McConnell hey and season one and and you got to know I mean what he had to see a few episodes I imagined before he signed on yeah he he definitely hadn't seen it and we couldn't believe we got him honestly and I still can't believe it he was such a gamer when he came and showed up and uh and he did and you know and that was like right before he had his like

uh the McConnell sense or whatever where he like came back like I remember he told us that when he came to the set we're all just enamored with him I mean we just like you know loved him and

love that he came from Texas and was doing his thing and always appreciated him yeah and he was

telling us it had been like a few years since he had been on screen like that he was like really taking um he was really being you know thoughtful about how he was launching this next chapter in his career and when we kind of heard that and then he's showing up to work with us it just really made us feel flatter that like he would think about our show as a piece of that larger puzzle of what he was like aiming to do and it was it was a blast working with them I mean there isn't anybody

“I think I've worked with that is just you know genuinely as cool as he is yeah he really is I”

would we've had him on a few times and there's a sincerity about him you know that I think a lot of you guys have that are stars like you spend some time with him but there's there's it doesn't

never feels like a performance it it feels like that's exactly how he feels and how he wants to

talk to you and his comedic range you know you get really caught up with some of these dramatic guys and we typecast we think you can't do any of that and then you just give somebody the experience the chance to do it and you're like okay this is why these people are special that's it that's a hundred percent yeah um you're you're you're blowing up right and I know you'd already been out in LA so it wasn't like you got off the bus after the foot fist way and and McKay and we'll

feral but as you're like blowing up what kind of advice are you is everyone just say hey say yes to every single movie right now because this thing has a short window you know I think it's to it's a little bit of of all that I think that you know if you've been waiting tables in PA and something teaching and doing anything you could to kind of make ends meet the moment you start getting real opportunities doing what you want it to do it's hard to turn those things down it

is it's hard to start being judgmental about like well do I really want to play this guy and you're like well two years ago I was totally fine with like vacuuming the battle dome like so yes you can play this fucking guy but I also I you know as being a just a fan of movies in general all the stuff that would come my way I was lucky that I got offered a lot of really fun stuff

but I would always just use the mindset of like do I want to see this like as someone who is

in the industry like at that point and everything started kind of happening for me in 2006 you know I wasn't in the industry and I was in LA but it was as a spectator you know like wanting to get in so there was still a big part of me that was just a movie lover and a movie fan and so when I got that ability to sort of get these jobs I was still really looking at all the opportunities that way of like have confidence that you can stick around and just really try to choose things that you

would want to go pay money to go say. Do you like is it easy for you because I you know your background is different like some people are just funny some people just look funny some people can sell a line and I've always felt that way with you I mean we used to replay these dudes or wizards

would hit the sound or we did it for years and years and by itself you're like why is that funny

and it's like that scene is so funny because you don't know what you're talking about and it's

“you know I think you already understand it because you've been you a very long time here but”

is there a is there a gift in that you you can get away with more when you have have this this combination of things where there's just total buy-in there seem to be total buy-in with you in a way that's a massive advantage. Yeah I mean it's like I can't put my finger on what exactly that is like I can only think that like when I did put this way of these things that got jobs or even eastbound I was just creating stuff that I thought would be funny to me would make

me laugh and so then a lot of the choices I would make would just be what would make my friends laugh what would make me laugh and then the assumption is hopefully saying that line that way or adding a thought pluralizing something that doesn't need to be pluralized would make David Green laugh and I would just start making Kenny do we're all the time and the thought is that when my friends have a good sense of humor I feel like I have a good sense of humor if it's making us laugh hopefully

it makes other people but there was no I mean I was riding by the I can see to my pants I mean I was like you know doing these interviews I have a I've been asked a lot of questions about the journey of this thing and it really kind of blows my mind that you know we made the foot this way in 2005 you know I didn't have any job in the industry at that point and you know I went to Sundance in 2006 and over the course of like one year from 2006 to mid 2006 to mid 2007

I did hot rod drill bit Taylor heartbreak kid tropic thunder the pilot for eastbound and pineapple express that was like one solid year of work from the mode from you know starting in June of 2006 and it was fucking crazy I had no idea what I was doing I had no idea if any of this shit was

“gonna work I was just I think I was so naive that I just used it to my benefit I'm just like well”

don't stop now like none of you know these people will figure it out that you don't know what you're doing so fucking hammers much as you can did anyone try to get you to do stand up I you know what I there was like a little bit of talk about it but I I love stand up but I you know for me it's like what I I really like the storytelling aspect and sometimes they're having to get in front of things and having to be in front of people is the aspect of it I kind of like the

least you know like I like plotting and thinking and uh in preparing like and I know that you have to do all that to do stand up but you know whatever I have to promote anything or go in front of

people or you know that's always where I feel less less at ease but when it comes to crafting a

story or being behind the camera even weirdly being in front of the camera I I have a there's an ease there where I feel like I know what I'm doing you know maybe one day I would give it a shot but I yeah I think like my what always just pulls me in is just wanting to write stories you mentioned Shane Gillis was narrating one of the chapters and I saw the interview that you did with him and I actually thought it was really cool because there's definitely some similarities of

his character and tires where I was like oh this feels a little can he powers this shit of him like going the other way he just was like yeah I talked like you for in multiple years so I I love that honesty from him it was there what is it like to I mean he's probably like he's probably my favorite comedian go right now he's another guy that does a good job of like making you thinking he might be stupid and he's actually brilliant you can't be anything but brilliant to do some

of the stuff that he does a standup but when you have somebody that's that big kind of going hey that you have a massive influence on me what was that conversation like you know it's it's not like I I before I even knew that he was a fan I thought Shane was funny as hell like I really

did I thought his standup was funny I thought he was awesome and you know like I've never been

in this position before I didn't think I would be in this position and then to be around long enough that there's people who crush at what they do and they tell you like I liked what you did and that's part of like why I'm doing what I do it's honestly it's awesome like I really I just had never really imagined that A I'd be around long enough that someone that would happen but the stuff we were making would resonate that way and it makes me really feel grateful like I

I appreciate it and Shane's an awesome dude you know I really liked him a lot and I like what he's doing and it's cool to see that people are responding to it and that because to me it feels like you said people can underestimate how smart he is I encounter the same shit and I feel like it's

“our secret weapon I think it's like the idea of being one of these comedians that you don't”

quite fit into like how like the cities want to categorize you and then there's a hero aspect when you're coming outside the cities and you kind of end up finding an audience that's kind of everybody it feels like that's a difficult thing to do these in this time period and uh and I think when someone can do it I think it's cool I think it's a fun place to land. A lot of people

were offered do you're so happy you turned down because you're like that is the dumbest idea ever for me. You know what I would not want to insult anybody. I got a lot you've got 20 years in you're good at it. I'll tell you I'll tell you the one I'll probably tell you one of the craziest things that I turned down that that was probably you know that you know you don't want to go back

“and look at it at like mistakes or you made because your life is a journey you wouldn't be here if”

it wasn't this way but I turned down the hangover to do land to the loss and both of those movies came out the same fucking way. It was a way where like you could see it real time like you know

sometimes you could do something like that and then the two things like never never existed around

each other so you could kind of justify in your head why but like for those movies to come out the same weekend and to clearly be like whoa we got our ass handed to us and those movies are obviously so funny but that in turn looking back land to the loss is like one of the most fun I've ever had on anything I've done like to work on that movie with with Will and Yorma and Anna and Brad Silverling and you know we shot that movie in universal in Hollywood and it's like that so the fan of

grew up watching movies like we were the only movie on that lot and every week was just us in a massive soundstage you know in some fucking insane you know Seth that was being built like Will and myself like we would be on night shoots at the universal lot nobody was there and we would get into the golf cart to like prove through the park and you know we would do weird shit like pull up in front of the psycho house and one at a time we'd go up and like knock on the door

and I can't remember the golf cart like there was so much fun life experience of that movie that I yeah I don't I don't regret turning that down but it I thought it was a funny way of the universe like showing me two potential outcomes. I remember there's like the only film class I ever took when I was a school and we had like different directors on it was it was just class based on movies that were produced by John Killock who did a lot of the Spike Lee stuff

and so we had somebody from ready to wear which was this movie about French fashion a fashion

“I think it was like fashion we can pair us or something late now and it was a bomb it absolutely”

bombed and then the guy that was involved and it came into the class and and talked about it and people were kind of like hey how like what happened and you know like trying to be nice because guys giving us his time it was like you know we were just sort of over there there's a lot of moving parts and so it basically the whole thing that we're selling to us is that it just sort of

happened you know it just it just sort of happened and I always would wonder like what the fear is is

when you're in something and I don't know if I'm I don't want to sound like I'm critical of anything but when you're in something and you're going hey this isn't going the right direction like how do I how do I fix it especially if it's something that's like very very close to you and that you're passionate about maybe suppose to just gain cast is something the experience of being involved with something where you're going this need the tide needs to turn here for this

thing to be successful you know I've only been I won't say what they were but I've only been on two things where I felt that when I got to the set where I was like oh okay I'm not like you know and a lot of it was the cues from some of the other actors are like oh people aren't in joining themselves or you know what I mean like you can kind of get a sense of like the magic doesn't feel like it's here on the set and then those movies don't turn out to connect with

people and so I felt it that way stuff I've done that like you know I've been passionate about I mean like you know when David Greener and I did your highness like that that movie like fucking tanked at the box office and we knew that we were making something totally messed up like we were making a rated R movie for 13 year olds and like we we just committed to that

“that's what we were doing and we we didn't have any qualms about I think we even knew when we're”

making it like this is this would be amazing if the world accepts this but like this is our

shot to make something messed up like this and let's give it a whirl and you know it's what I don't watch a lot of the stuff that I that I'm in after the fact you know like but your highness is definitely popped up on cable and my wife will put it on and it makes me still laugh to this day and I really do appreciate the balls that we had to like have that moment in our careers and to choose something that was like very it was it was self-serving David and I's own like ambitions and

the kind of movies we want to see Hollywood making it wasn't you know it wasn't crafted in a way of like being strategic at all like well this is what people like and they'll go to this because of this like we really were just like let's make a fucked up sword and sandal movie you know inspired by time bandence and beast master in light see where it lands and you know I think that movie ends up having a a life afterwards and so you know even when things tang sometimes it's just about

we even when eastbound came out we never found the audience that first season like everybody

“came to that thing after the fact you know and all of our shows have been that way that”

there's always a slow response to like there's people who get it and then in time way more people tend to get it and so we've kind of it it keeps your nerve you have it keeps the nerves high when something's coming out you're like oh Jesus nobody's showing up you know but you just kind of have faith that if like if you like it and if you're happy with your experience on it hopefully eventually it finds it's the people we got a couple of other things just to finish on eastbound

I don't even know if there's anything left with all the outtakes that I've watched like I still am hoping like some sort of explorer to discover new Ashley Sheafer cany power stuff I try to read everything I can I feel like there's certain takes that you used for the show even though you're still sort of laughing at each other in like yes just because you cannot help it because of how absurd he looks is there anything else about those scenes with that back and forth which is

some of the best stuff I've ever seen in the history television is there anything else left that none of us know you know there probably is a lot a lot there you know the thing we ran into a lot with eastbound was it was you know HBO is you know you obviously have the streaming aspect but they're also still a channel you know they have a they have times and they have slots of uh when things need to be on and they definitely have let things go longer now because I think like

other streamers have and so it's always but the top the running time is always was always dictating

so much and so each found would be would would would would be so hard to to make because we would have you know we would have a version of the show that was 50 minutes that we loved and then we had to figure out how to get it down the 30 and uh and that would have locked that would usually mean like getting rid of a lot of stuff and so I think in that we definitely left a lot of things on the cutting room four but ultimately I feel like that's also I think what makes that show so funny is that

we just we did have to kill some darlings but it was in service of just the best of the best showing up on you know in the show where like there wasn't a lot of there weren't a lot of duds like you know things really had a they had a matter when you're trying to get 20 minutes out of

“the show to have it you know be a tight 30 and so yeah just makes you have to be really critical of”

what you're trying to do but I think in that there probably is a lot of fun things that go by the wayside and we were having so much fun making that show that I feel like that's also what people see when they watch it is that you are really seeing guys that were given the keys to the kingdom being allowed to do whatever the hell they wanted and that's what we were choosing to do. I feel so bad about this but the guy who played Stevie when he was in the office I was like oh

we're waiting so he's okay he's okay he's made it I just lost a little here just in Charleston just two nights ago we did a book event here and Steve Little came to Charleston to moderate it and you know he's such an awesome dude he's so he's so smart and thoughtful and kind and funny and you know we had no idea what that role was going to be when we included that in the pilot you know we didn't know what the realm of that was going to be and when we passed Steve and I just

worked with him in that first episode I was like this is the show the show where these two guys like this is you know this is what it's about and that was fun I mean it was awesome to kind of find a brother in comedy that way where he just makes me laugh my ass off and he's fearless he'll do fucking anything and and that became so exciting crafting that show and every season trying to figure out what insane thing we could we could talk Steve into doing that season so you've got the

book out again it comes out today thrilling tales of modern men that's it's a real simple one like what do you want to do what is there something you haven't done that you really want to do man you know what I've been working on now is I got a script for Paramount for G.I. Joe for a feature to like relaunched G.I. Joe and so that I wrote it with John Contrary and Jeff Bradley who I write gemstones with and it's not it's not really comedic it's just like a straight 80s action

“movie and that's what I've been putting all my energy into and hopefully we'll be shooting that”

next summer well congrats on the book I really you know because at first I was like am I going to read

this whole thing because I didn't have the interview and I've always you know and I hope you

don't take that the wrong way I just am I going to read a collection of stories yeah and I enjoyed it so much man it was it was a lot of fun and I think anybody listening like it's it's a lot of fun and there's these and some short ones in there so you can feel like a reader you're not really used big words you know I really used big words and there's even a few pictures so you know you can you get what you need the pictures are great and there are just lines in there that remind me of

this might work of edit and it made me laugh every single time so thanks again for the

“time Dan and appreciate it I really appreciate you reading that book thank you and thanks for having me”

on you want details bye I drive a Ferrari 355 cabriole what's up I have a ridiculous house in the south fork I have every toy you can possibly imagine I'm best of all kids I am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required life advice life advice are [email protected] we've got Kyle we have Steve and we have follow-ups I enjoyed this one on the neck tattoo if you're asking your dad for permission or even advice about a neck tattoo

unless dad has a neck tattoo you are not qualified nor built for the responsibilities

the comma said neck tattoo simple is that that's he's pretty yeah I kind of had that thought

myself I was like dude you're 21 year old still asking you about shit that's that's pretty good you're not ready for that life but that neck tattoo life it's perfectly said no notes there's just there's nothing else really to be said other than imagine having the neck tattoo it was like oh that that's sick like yeah my dad let me get it or you're sitting down you're like my dad didn't do superstition you know man right yeah my own hair and he had his pants when he saw me

I forget there was some story about us smurf tattoo and I don't I don't know if he became urban legend and then I somehow thinking that it was specific to somebody that I knew but I

think the story goes there was some aggressively stupid smurf tattoo or another guy it was you know

it's kind of like that kid and I I feel bad about this but like the kid that is super impressionable that probably isn't the coolest guy in the group he's sort of around and then it's

“like yeah you should get this smurf tattoo and it should I yeah that would be sick and then the”

guys are like that be sick dude and then he got the smurf tattoo is a massive huge story right and then they were like that's the worst tattoo I've ever seen and the kid was just he thought he was going from like all my all the guys are gonna be so impressed like I'm gonna move up a couple slots in this in the tears here and instead it was like I can't believe you actually did it we were good joke yeah and it's like oh now I have a smurf tattoo to the rest of my life

and then I'm not 100% I'm gonna have to double check with some guys back in some of the of the details out yeah like hey was there a story I'm actually gonna get it right now I'm gonna send it out all right let's see here this is a bummer do we start with a bummer one life sucks alright six four won't do you just six four yeah I go but I have a twin bed all right well we've got all right six four blue eyes player comp Ronnie Tury off I love that oh yeah

tender little Ronnie graduated from college may have last year that's probably part of it since moved south to work for university and athletic department so you get a job in sports right at a college and you're six four with blue eyes we skipped over the blue eyes yeah I didn't move that far so I go back home every couple weekends to see friends and family but some my friends look far away others are advancing in their lives it's girlfriends and I'm not it makes me sad I have

some work friends but that's really it I hit the strip club by myself at least once a month well that will do it up yeah usually salary dude usually solo strip club patterns kick and

“finger night yeah I think that's like the first time I like to play exactly yeah they make”

your own ranch there it's unbelievable yeah it's like the squire back in the day guys will be like no the food's awesome I'm like who did still the squire day light out I was seeing this girl oh has a kid but I decided and that I'm on a year your contract and thinking about just going home after this year what are your thoughts another issue is every girl I've ever dated has cheated on me am I just going through post college depression wow all right well look um i think the post

college thing is very real you do have way more things going for you than I think you're just going like 95% on all your test dude yeah girls still seem to like you even if they cheat on you it's be kind of tough to go back I forget what movie is that is at high fidelity where I don't even know if that's right I think there's another movie where a guy just goes back and asks about every single girl if you ever dated and like what went wrong and I'm like my god like it's bad enough to what

I have to go back and replay it or scenario anyway so uh I don't know that you can necessarily do that that's a tough one you definitely don't if you went to your guy friends like hey is there anything about me is it do that you think would lead to me being cheated on all the time I can't imagine a conversation between two men being more awkward and ending sooner so not a lot of advice there but

let's do that start there going home doesn't feel like the right move for you at all because I think

you're going to go and do a deeper funk where you're even less associated with your friends I think you need to focus on being around friends being in a scenario where it's not maybe just about career it's about lifestyle you know I really admire a lot of people that are early on we're like I want to live in like a cool place and then I'll figure the rest of it out life is very odd in the way like you put yourself in circumstances and you think all these other things you'd be challenging but in fact

“like life does have a way of kind of figuring itself out so I think what you need to do is surround”

yourself with the best maybe social option that you have because if you're if you're sitting here emailing is just saying my life sucks and all these things are wrong and I don't blame you for not counting the positive things like I'm still guilty of it all the time I think it's a very normal thing for people to do but I would again emphasize the social aspect of this because if you eliminate the social aspect on top of everything else and then you're living at home and you're with your

parents it likely only gets worse yeah I guess the only thing I would offer is like I think he's probably putting a good amount of stock and what his friends are up to and I'm not an advocate for having nowhereness about where you're right in your place it's pointless but I think you know looking at everyone else's path when it's like you know this guy had an in here or this you know somebody retired right as this guy got in and he's fucking killing it right now like there's

there's plenty of things that you're not even thinking about so if you're like I think you're maybe putting a little bit more stock in that I don't really know what else to tell you other than maybe

“yeah lay off the strip clubs mixing a bar instead I don't know but I think you probably that the”

easiest thing to do is look at where Brandon and Jake and all these fuck guys are compared to you and you know a lot of them might not even be as happy as you think they are but some are lying to the top of everything else I don't I don't want to say it to certain guys in my friend group but I you know I wouldn't be super I mean we're pretty tough on each other but you know for me to say I can't believe I was jealous of you when I was 26 that that wouldn't be

a great conversation but I all admit privately I have that conversation with myself but I you know you don't know any better man you don't know any better it's everything feels like that time in your life everything feels like it's so significant because it's really the first time you're experiencing without any training wheels I don't even know I mean it gets a

little bit better but I think dude Frank groups are always like a little bit competitive that way

you know and it's like first guy buys a house at like 20 yeah what the fuck and I don't even know that it's gonna be one of here that is dad helped him oh yeah yeah like oh I'm doing better if you're gonna you get a 7.5 inches straight with an idiot you know like I have a Wednesday year bummed out and then like I'm Friday you find out as well as you know the inlaws and you're just like okay I'm gonna have a much better weekend out yeah such a shit such a shitty way to do it

I knew it yeah but I I think I also think that that's kind of healthy though like not in like a toxic way to be a motivator resent each other but like yeah there should be like I don't know competitiveness in life and just try to better yourself I think that does help friend groups and I think that's fair but you're I think you're right in the thick of it as you say like that those few years like post college really like what the heck am I doing with myself it can go one of two ways because if you got a decent

gig it's like hey man I've got to figure it out but then you realize maybe later in life that you actually don't have a figure out you just had a good job at a college and then they're the dudes that don't have anything going feel like they're lost and then they kind of find their true calling maybe a little bit later maybe 10 years after that so it's just a weird time I wouldn't be yourself up over at the strip club thing is definitely like probably chill on chill with that but yeah

that's a good action item yeah there's at least a one thing probably stop doing that the cheese thing I have no idea I mean I have that's a that's a that's a did they know you don't know the club by yourself once a month was that was their overlap that I might be a new development it's like yeah I mean figure it out do some self exploration and maybe you're just not season enough to come over than any real answers for the whole thing but if you're getting cheated

on consistently like what could possibly be how many things we're talking to like is it too like yeah I mean this guy like he's still going down right now that he's going everybody know everybody's whole thing differently yeah all right like back relax you'll be fine he's gonna be fine what if he emails back he goes 12 straight we want to have you on the show this we can figure it out I think you're gonna be okay man I really do but you you know

you you a lot of people wouldn't even email the show right when you email why you what's going on bit of a funk all right my guys think about how many guys betrayed being six four for not knowing what they're doing in the early 20s probably a lot you know

don't like I always think about if you go back in time how different would it be this is

“way I do this exercise way too often oh man but it's like what you know you have to go back”

but then there's also this qualifier I was trying to think of this we also need to rank the

Danbury which is another email here Hudson Valley to Danbury Mall 6205 bench 200 square 300 deadlift 350 on numbers self-reported so treaty accordingly long time list our first time email I'm running in with some Hudson Valley support for Kyle because I feel like this is one of those very specific regional things that might sound insane to anyone who didn't grow up there but is absolutely normal I'm also from the Hudson Valley although I grew up on the other side of the river

from Kyle and I just want to say Kyle is 100% right going on a shopping trip Danbury was absolutely thing depending on where you live Danbury was one of those default we actually need to go shopping destinations Mall big box stores restaurants the whole thing you cross over to Connecticut maybe

convince yourself the clothing sales tax math worked in your favor and suddenly I always thought

the sales tax and Connecticut was historically higher than everyone else but I don't know I think 6% yeah I think it would used to be higher when I was younger but you know again I've got all my tax paperwork and a file somewhere sometime I'll finally come to a conclusion all right you cross over if everything worked out suddenly what should have been a normal afternoon at the mall felt like you'd plan some major regional expedition it wasn't weird it wasn't neat it was just

part of the greater Hudson Valley ecosystem so just want to put this on record I have Kyle's back a Hudson Valley person going to Danbury for shopping is very believable well it wasn't high school and I just was like these guys were going to spend real money and I was like I think I got the kipsy gallery of money I don't think I have Danbury so I didn't didn't take the Danbury trip so I'm excited there are no malls around there I'm confused

“like the kipsy gallery of guy that's what I've been telling you but there it's like you know”

it's not everything that that Danbury mall has I've got like three malls within like 20 minutes of it must be nice I guess this is this is what I'm thinking about for me like you drive over an hour to I don't think it's over an hour I think it's like 47 minutes I'm gonna guess that still how many minutes is West Hartford do you not want to go to West Hartford with your wife to shop near Kyle Kyle I haven't even thought about it Danbury was like Danbury's this thing

this mountain I never really climbed so like it's kind of a personal journey for me as well

you go the way the highway is what would it be like an hour and a half to get to West Hartford I might even be more than that really it's almost two hours is it all right well you can't do that and it's more expensive so you don't want you want to roll through there I don't know Connecticut messes me up the the left side of Connecticut obviously two miles it's 48 minutes for me yeah there's some sections of Connecticut that I'm having hard time with Western Connecticut's always a

mystery in that north east Connecticut but sort of Rhode Island but feels like you're dangerous I don't know what's going on up there I would totally agree like duet city I don't I don't know what's going on there

“they honestly um well I know I don't even know if I've stepped foot in that weird southern mass”

upper left upper right knuckle of Rhode Island Massachusetts in Connecticut yeah I think it's actually

dangerous but nobody talks about it all right let's see what else do we have here we have a bunch of people who hate Chad so to our emailer let you know everybody's kind of on your side with this one uh this is an awesome email that I'm not going to read right now because there's not really a question in there but somebody an older guy talked about the timeline for marriage we'll save that for some of you guys uh maybe we'll read that one next week okay

rules for hitting on a sister's friend so that would be your sister her friend got it all right fellas 23-6-1-1-65 basketball comp is a scrawny Josh heart no impressive gym stats but participate and pick up sports games as much as I can because guy likes the sports ball okay pretty straight 40 mail here I have a sister we're only one year apart I'd say we're pretty close or about average as far as siblings relationships go in your early 20s my sister has friends one friend in particular

that I've seen on a dating app recently I'm thinking about making a move but not on a dating app and sending her a text instead I find this girl very attractive and I'm confident that I'm not out of the league of this friend it's not a super close friend that I see often but as far as I'm aware they were still friends has anyone experienced anything similar or known someone that has been in the spot is a rule or thumb rule thumb in the situation like this every situation is different but

“I think this is something I should get advice about since we were so close and age went to the same”

college and could see this maybe coming up again in the future um okay received a bunch of glasses for Christmas branded with every original Biggie's team in the logo it's probably my favorite gift ever I haven't even suggested just getting online and purchasing these okay did you send a link I'll look at now it's fine I have to look that up Kyle you know they're vintage I think I know which one's he's talking about two those are sick yeah all right boys what you got I was putting

a finger up for like everything that like oh maybe you could do this as he was running through the stats I ended up with four and I think at the end five fingers I think you can do this

they're kind of not great friends they're better than acquaintances you guys went to the same

college yeah you see she's she's single you guys found each other on the abs but you're trying to go a different route I mean ding ding ding I'd say I take go ahead you know have to like make a plan of attack with your sister here but you know you guys you guys are simple and you'll know the right time to discuss this but I don't think it's a I don't think it's like our family router by any means yeah I have two younger sisters I've mostly stayed out of these waters

my I'm the oldest my middle sister is like 18 months younger than me and so there was some you know there was some overlapping things but I I don't know like because there is a weird line and I'm not saying that you are this or you can't be this but there's a weird line between being like the horny brother you know like that's just like not really a lane I want to occupy so you just

“try to carefully but I think Kyle said all the right things and I thought the college thing like”

put it over the top for me like you have a lot of things actually kind of that are easy ends where you're not just coming out of total left field here and just like hitting on one of like something that you're like walking around in a towel and there haven't seen you out of Facebook yeah like I'm just gonna shoot your DM because you're right I just got to the forest cover things do you need a booze yeah yeah you're not the older brother too right he's the younger brother

he's the older brother by a year oh he's the older brother oh okay but that's not bad yeah that's not bad at all the I guess the question is do you do you feel like you owe the sister ahead's up like would you be like hey I'm like one even just for any advice or two just so she's not completely blindsided by this I don't know I'm just asking yeah I think it's a really good question but I also like it depends specifically on that relationship like what kind of relationship do you have with your

sister it sounds like you had more seri so I said average so I think it it would really depend more on relationship between the friends now like can you like are you able as the brother to engage are these guys good friends or did they used to be good friends and that's that's really what's

“kind of important here yeah like me personally I think I think I would I think I would ask my sister about it”

but that's a kind of guy you are you're an Italian and you know you I also want to know what you're an old school your old world yeah how about you help everyone at this dynamic every time it's completely different there are siblings that love the idea of setting you up and having you be connected to her friend and then everybody's just tighter there's a lot of people like think that's great there's other people that immediately like have this resistance to it yeah which probably

is sort of oddly protective in a way that like doesn't make a ton of sense you're not severely older than her I also think that there's like the power dynamics of the siblings where if I'm the older brother and my younger sister has a hot friend who likes me and I like her and there's nothing weird about it I don't care what my sister has to say even if I'm very close to my sister

that's closest to my age we're very close if she told me I mean it never came up but if she

had told me I would not I would back then me I'm gonna listen to her so it's a bit like nothing yeah it's it's a lot like telling your best player on the NBA team like hey should we trade for this guy or should we not trade for this guy and it seems like hey the right thing to do is to make sure that you're a franchise the face of the franchise knows you're moves everything you're gonna do but what happens when you're the GM you get his advice on something he tells you he want

him hey we we should trade for this guy or we shouldn't trade for this guy you get his input and then you do the opposite that's worse than not asking him because then he feels like it came to me directly I told you and then you did the opposite of it so sometimes it's better

“to not even ask and that's why like some teams will tell you it'd be great to have everybody on”

the same page it'd be great to go hey it's super important that you're evolving all this stuff but if I went to my star player and had him involved in every little thing I'll be bugging him all the time and then if I don't do the thing that he suggests then it's far worse then you kind of have the sister dynamic where the younger sister of the brother can kind of be like I don't care what any of the rules are like I'm just doing this I mean I had one it's somebody that I was super close

with and and one of my favorite people I've ever met but I felt kind of shitty about it and ultimately she was she wasn't going to listen to anybody and then it all worked out and everybody was happy too but my younger sister's a lesbian that's like fucking jackpot for me I was awesome I figured that out no fights for you no yeah get married this summer congratulations I feel like there's

1,000 follow-ups but we're not gonna ask any of it another day yeah maybe never yeah we're doing

the shorter live advice today right yeah that'll be a summer when we're when we're dark yeah Kyle answers lesbian emails I thought that was gonna land a little bit better maybe it was awkward all right that's probably a good spot to end the show today thanks to Tom thanks for coming out prides over shit sorry yeah just missed it all right thanks to Sirutty thanks to Kyle thanks

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