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Predictions offer void in New York and June 28, terms at dkng.co/audio. And very excited time and year for all of us that dig in the guys that do it year-round and are some of the best to do it. Same as any of the athletic who's been on the pot of bunch and Kevin O'Connor, my old colleague at the ringer now with Yahoo Sports, who has a really

fun interactive mock draft that's up. It's like, hey, keep mockers and never ducked.

Hasn't happened since Trayman. All right, so I'm kind of ready for, I don't know. I feel like you hear a bunch of stuff that you start going like, I could be ready for any kind of surprises. We'll go through kind of like some of the mock stuff that you both have, but let's just start with what feels like a defined top for KLC will start with you, like take us through your one through four rankings and then Sam will kind of pivot it back to you.

All right, I moved Booser to one. I took a while to get there. I started with Booser at three had debons at one, Peterson two, and eventually over the course of the season, Booser moved

“the two that Booser moved to one. I think the reason why I simply the fact that I think he”

is just by far the safest of the three. I think at minimum, we're talking about what a guy who's better, you know, more intelligent, higher IQ, Julius Randall, a bruising forward, who can shoot, who's a solid defender who can pass. I just think with him, the ceiling is a bit underrated as well. When you talk about debons at, you know, six nine shock creator, Peterson, six foot six, versatile, passer and creator, off ball, on ball. It was Booser. The fact is that you

sometimes you watch this guy play, and you're the guy, you know, okay, game, 25 and 12. I was fine, 22 and nine, and with Booser, six eight can handle the ball, run picking rules, can set screens, you can run it through him at the elbows and at the wing. He can operate out of the short roll. He can he can bruise, he can post up people, he can take it coast to coast. To me, he just checks so many boxes across the board that he's safe with the high ceiling. And so

I put him, I had a debons at it too. And then, D. Peterson at three, and then Wilson at four, I kind of am in a separate group behind those top three. Okay, Sam.

“Yeah, so just flipped AJ and camp is the only thing I also will send in kind of a group by himself.”

I will say just from the top here, I have it like razor thin. I did my typical thing where I rank

over the course of the last 11 years that I've been doing this, I had AJ at six,

I had camp at seven, I had Peterson at eight. And that's over 11 years. That's not just over

“this draft cycle or the last five draft cycles, right? I think that the margin between these three”

are is so close. And I think that who you take is all a matter of how you gauge different variables. And what your scheme is and what you're trying to do organizationally, right? The reason I went with AJ at number one at the end of the day on my board is that I think that he creates easier shots than anybody else does. He is somebody who gets to the rim at an elite level in half court settings and he draws fouls at an elite level in half court settings. I think he's going to

average 10 free throws a game at some point in the NBA. I think he's genuinely in elite level down

Hill creator on top of having at least some sort of counter from the mid range at a burgeoning three point game. The reason I came into the season with AJ at three came at two Darren Peterson at one. I had AJ at three because I didn't love the way that he processed the game a lot of the time. I didn't love the way that he kind of made decisions as a shooter versus a passer. I thought that he showed drastic improvement this season, understanding where his teammates are, how to draw

help defenders in order to create open passing angles for his teammates. We saw that once Fritchie Saunders went down, he averaged nearly five assists per game. I thought that he should real rapid growth in terms of being able to make decisions that are positive for the overall team offensive structure as opposed to just for himself. All right. So if you both have Wilson for, let's talk about say five through eight, Sam. I ended up with a cup of five. I ended up with

Wagner at six Fleming's at seven buries at eight and then Gaxle and Mike Cal at nine and ten.

“Okay. I went with a cup of five because I think he's the most scheme agnostic player of these guys.”

And I think that I'd probably have it slightly differently if I was drafting for a specific scheme in mind, right? If I was a super ball screen heavy team, I might have keep in Wagler at five, right? And I would probably have Mike Cal Brown a little bit higher than what I do. Making these big boards is often kind of a full's errand to me because you don't do it within the context of a certain team where you don't already have certain things in place from a long-term

player perspective that you're trying to fit or from a just general overall organizational philosophy perspective. That's kind of why I went on my agnostic board, Darius A. cup of five. I think that that dude's just an absolute savage. I think he's a killer. I think that he has the kind of like charismatic leadership tendencies to be able to be a dynamic on ball player on top of the fact that an SEC play in one of the two best leagues in the country this year, he averaged like 25

and seven assists per game with a three to one assists to turn over ratio while shooting like 47, 44, 80, one or whatever it was it was absurd. So I went a cup of it five. Okay, KOC. I also had a cup at five in my final big board update coming out and to add on to everything Sam said about a cup just being an absolute killer in an unbelievable three-level score.

“I think with him so much of the time the conversation is about oh what he does with the ball on his”

hands. But the fact is he did play with another first round pick in Malik Thomas and we did get to

C. A. K. F. Operate off ball 2. He hit nearly 50% of his kitchen treat trees coming off of screens and movement actions. He's shown a real willingness to be a high-level passer, not just a guy who score first score second past third. He's a very good creator last year for Arkansas. And so I think with him he is such a dynamic offensive player that I would bet on him to have the highest potential of this group with Mackel Brown and Keaton Walgler and Braden Burries. And so after a cuff for me

at number five I do have Michael Brown. Last year he dealt with a back injury that had him in and out of the lineup. Very hard to get a good feel for what he truly is at the college level. But he did have a 40 plus point banger game. He's a very talented passer, very creative. I think defensively he has higher a higher ceiling than a cuff and even some of the other guys in this range as well as a defensive playmaker even though he's only six foot forwards. He's got a six eight

wingspan. So I really like him and then after that I'm going to have Keaton Walgler who seems like a lot of people have fifth and I like Walgler a lot and that's Sam rightfully said. I think

what your philosophy is and how you view the guard in your system and how you want to build things

moving forward and then I have Braden Burries out of Arizona at eight and then after that I'll have a dimer at nine and eight amen to attend. Okay all right so I have some time for you guys a little bit later on on Wawgler because I like to do some work on this as well. But if we go over the mock part of this okay it's been debons kind of the consensus mock here for a while and you know I've been watching it depends it really depends on which guy you're locked into over course of days like you

run through the big 12 tournament with AJ and you go yeah this guy's the number one pick he's this big if you don't double him it's a nightmare and then you go back and watch Peterson and then I've watched the prolific prep Utah or the prolific Utah prep game I've watched at twice I've watched it again this morning and you're like look there's clearly a drop off on Peterson's movement on his cuts I know Sam did a deep dive on this that he wasn't as explosive it's pretty crazy too because

I was looking at some of the synergy numbers where Peterson for the season is in the 9th percentile on dunks which is a horrible number but then when you run through it he had 14 dunk attempts he missed four so then the number just looks way worse than it actually is but like watching even the

tournament the first game the first game that's still available right so the most the whenever you

lose out synergy locks it which you guys know I watch that Sam John's game and he has a catch where the defender is completely draped all over him he has up and into the shot from three and it is through and it doesn't even touch rim and you just go there's no one else in the country that has a shot that looks like that and it's a good shot I'm not saying other guys can't make ridiculous threes but it's just a bit of a reminder at least for me that I'm not going to be

shocked if Peterson's name is called first despite the momentum out of the combine of the AJ kind of leading every single mock Sam I'll I'll tell you up first on that no I mean Washington's the whole

“way been doing its due diligence on all three of these guys particularly I think AJ and Darren”

is what it feels like to me yeah I mean look like all of the reporting that's come out the last

couple days about oh Darren Petersen's not going to Utah or whatever none of that really matters to me like I think that that's all kind of you know decision on Darren Petersen's part I'm sure it's a decision on the team slash you know what was called Wasserman's part on some hey do we maybe not one Darren Petersen there next to County George who's also a client of hours or maybe it's a you know what like maybe we can you know negotiate a thing where if you get this

extension done with Keyonte George yeah Darren will come in he'll do whatever you want for him right so I don't take any of that as meaningful of really anything frankly the fact of the matter is the team's been doing its due diligence the whole way on both of these guys in a significant way I will say like people took the oh yeah like he's been in their twice or they've seen him two or three times or whatever the report was as you know being really interested in him

I almost took it as more like oh they needed to see him like two or three times like why

“why did you need to see him a couple of times like don't you that you have like a strong opinion”

of this like the way it's been kind of phrased to me from sources is like you know they're really doing due diligence they're really trying to understand everything that they need to know about Darren Peterson before they make a really strong decision be it either Darren or AJ at the end of the day I think it's probably going to be AJ debonsa if only because the thing that stands out most to me in my mind right now is that Michael Winger did a press conference or not a press conference

he didn't interview with the local NBC station there where he said you know we're looking for somebody who is going to be a leader of our organization right we're going to want somebody who comes in and has those qualities Darren Peterson is an absolute killer on the court he is wildly competitive he really gives a shit about basketball like he is somebody where you don't have to worry about any of that he is not like a leader type in that way like that's just kind of not

who he has been hit this point he's a little bit more introverted and I say that is somebody myself like I am more of an introverted human being I'm not taking any shots at Darren Peterson it's just is who he is a little bit more so I still think it's AJ but I do know that they've really done

“as much work into Peterson is you would do is if you were going to say commit number one I think”

Sam spot on there with that leadership comment by Winger that's stuck out to me for a long time now I mean look the fact is with Peterson he calls himself an anti social owner that's his own

he's not really a vocal guy he's a killer on the court as Sam said that's a hundred percent true

we saw that in high school we saw that in moments in college but we also saw in college him decide 15 minutes before a game against undefeated Arizona I'm not healthy enough to play I have flu like symptoms he he found an excuse not to play rather than finding excuses to play and you can you know blame that on the cramping you can blame that on the the other injury he had you can blame that on anything you want but the fact is that I think if you're the wizards or the jazz it too if you

“do want a leader if that's important to you I think that's a very clear knock against Darren Peters”

and so I also think debons is the favorite at number one and with Peterson I definitely think they're doing their due diligence as Sam said undoubtedly they've seen him two or three times now and why would you not considering how incredibly talented Darren Petersen is but I my gut says it'll be debons at one and then that would be what's the big question at number two what'd be more surprising you guys Boos are going one or Caleb Boos and going two

it's a really good question I think Boos are going one for me I think Wilson going to for me would be a bigger surprise honestly both of you really surprised yeah like both equally surprising I'd pick one yeah okay let's let's talk about Caleb a little bit I would say one of my biggest flaws and I was younger as I fell in love with every single Caleb Boos and imaginable I'd be like yep in and then he's watching the pros of like man he came really dribble came really shoot

“they didn't pick up his third year option this isn't good you were wrong I think maybe Markey's”

Chris just haunts me man I don't know I don't know what to tell you so I spent a lot more time Caleb over the last week and we all understand the physical part of it okay there are moments that he has physically against other players we're just like this is a joke but he makes this absurd and one against Virginia in a very tight game and then when they're trying to ice it with free throws they missed the free throw he jumps over the inside guy and just grabs it he didn't he

wasn't even close enough forward to be over the back it was just that insanely impressive but the Notre Dame game is when I started going okay his passing guys like this are usually not this good with different kinds of passes and I'm not saying he's going to be dimming up

everybody you know I always think back to like Julian Wright and Kansas so my here we go this is awesome

but like listing all these huge like multi talented things and it's like yeah they're really quite worked out for a bunch of those guys dude there's obviously a tenacity there's we know that he can't shoot it doesn't feel like an asset right now the handling it's like it's actually going to get better in the NBA but I think he sees the game way more than usually the athletic player that has this profile usually these guys are just out there going I'm just like Morris Johnson

I kind of like I'm later on but I don't know that he's seeing anything necessarily where Caleb specifically that Notre Dame game kind of like got me going there's there's a chance for a lot more

here which is what's exciting Kevin you go first on this one I mean I think to your port with

“that Notre Dame game if I remember correctly Ryan he had like I think first half of the game”

two of his first assists were out of the post well I've whipped one of them cross court to like I'm bull's eye corner three and then he had a cutter in the land I mean like it looked like real high level playmaking stuff that's the game right now I got that in my mind yeah he had another one where it wasn't even like the read he was double team passed the three point line which is probably stupid but he it's not even that he read the double he jumps over both defenders and

throws it across the court to another guy in the opposite corner and I just think there's a lot of really gifted players that there's like a limitation on what they're willing to see because it's like I have the ball and I'm the best player and I'm a lottery pick like I'm not supposed to give this thing up and there's a willingness in him that like I said it gets me a little bit more excited well I think to your point Ryan like I think with him and my draft guy the comps I have and I

don't love either of these comps or have it mobly in Jonathan Isaac and I am talking like a healthy best case version of Jonathan Isaac I think was look floor when he was a Florida state there was like a guy who actually handled the ball a little bit too which is why you were like wow if this guy I remember him coming up being like he's going five and then now I don't know that he's ever a lot of dribble before for sure and that and that's the thing with Wilson where it's like there's

more than just Ron and finish and make plays athletically other defensive end of the floor there's

himself you squint in your like is that like a slightly smaller yannis is that when I'm seeing

and in those are the moments where it's like you understand why some of these teams one two and three doing their due diligence are like well wait a minute let's review and think about do we want to invest in k-label some hair in the selection I don't think any of the top top three teams will to be clear but there's a chance 10 years from now we look back in k-label since the best player in the

“draft class it's just he has more flaws severe flaws compared to the top three and that's why I think”

he's a tick below them with his if he's shooting and you know maybe he's a handle or maybe he's not he needs to get stronger a bit of lufan defenses well so there's some flaws there with him that I think knock him down a peg well you guys like haven't even run up the thing that I love

most about k-label so I think that dude is like an absolute dog like that dude competes in wants it

like he absolutely you talk to teams that have met with him you talk to anybody has been around him like that dude wants it like he wants to be a great basketball player and you can see it by the way in the fact that he played all three of these other guys it's some point this season he played AJ in the preseason they played Kansas very early in the year and then obviously they played Duke he beat those guys every time like he out performed AJ to bottom of the preseason he out performed

Darren Peterson in that game against Kansas City out performed Game Booser in the game against Duke so I think that he has like a real competitive mindset to him it's just yeah like the skill

“set for me is just a little bit lower than the other ones and that's what worries me a little bit like”

you guys bring up all of the passing and everything that you brought up from the passing against Notre Dame I think is 100% valid and it's real I love that he sees what he sees it's when he starts to get on the move though that things get cloudy when he's at a standstill I love the way he sees the court I also thought UNC did a really good job of creating like pre-ordained reads for him where okay we're getting a high load of ASR here okay we're trying to figure out exactly where

we're going with the ball here Caleb you could initiate from the high post and you can make a read when you're at a standstill in the NBA you have to play it speed you have to play with on the move if you're going to be like a primary initiator in some way shape or form or even like a secondary guy at times too and I do feel like Caleb's passing ability on the move

“is just a little bit below these other guys at the end of the day right now even AJ I think you”

see okay he's in a ball screen he knows how to slow down play it pace here he's going to make like this little wrap around pass with his right hand to the corner for an open three to can our Davis right like on top of the fact that Caleb I think is the least developer shooter of these guys he's just a little bit less developed at the end of the day and I think that his feel for the game is still growing on top of it I will say that like some of his movement patterns

give me pause on defense I guess I would say I don't love how upright he plays I don't love how he back pedals I actually worry about whether or not everyone just assumes he's going to be a good defender at some point I'm actually like not a hundred percent sure of that because while he's very explosive vertically and is very explosive going downhill I actually don't love the way that he moves it opens his hips while back pedaling right like I think that there are some things

physically he actually really has to work on in terms of his mechanics as well and you know I'm sure that guys can figure out how to you know fix you know the milestone or like you had to get stronger glutes in order to move but we'll figure it out right and you know I think he's just a more flood player I think Kevin said at the end of the day if I had to do it as a job and you were in the room with everybody you know you're going to be a little reserved depending on what your

status is I'd be tempted to put log with forth in this class I think the McCell call I'd love to forget doing a baseball show years and years this is a long time ago all right this is like almost 20 years ago and we had a GM on and they had this like really fancy short stop and I think I was doing a show of Steve Phillips so Steve Phillips knew all these guys right because he had been a GM

and we were talking about this one short stop on this team and I'll never get the way that GM described

and he's like yeah he's got a little chrome on his game and it's such a great way it doesn't mean you're a bad player doesn't mean you just make mistakes but there's always like an element of like if it's good it's showmanship and other times it's incredibly frustrating and you know I will watch McCell I'm just like all right I understand he have talented he is I understand what the shooting is he's in like the 89th percentile in synergy and pick and roll which is like kind of what

they're they're like so average which is sort of shocking oh looks like Sam wanted jump in there quickly

“yeah I think that's really context dependent okay Kansas like never really put the ball in”

Sam's in ball screens as much as you would like to see on top of that that team situation was a fucking catastrophe for him just straight up like yeah like even as we're not about Wilson so effort yeah no that's that's fair like even when we're talking about Wilson I'm going man what with this guy I've done with like some really good guards with North Carolina to the top everything out so when I saw that you had McCell that high there's so much of his game where I'm like sometimes

I'm like what is he doing like what is he just going hey I want to take this shot because I'm going to prove that I'm going to be able to take it and like again they go in enough that you can't get that mad I'd say there's a lot of guards now that drive and Blake do you know that if you have no chance that driving like no chance it's finishing that it's actually not a good basketball decision so there's a lot of that and then when I look at Wagner and what he did and granted if you

watch the Purdue game you wonder why it doesn't go number one overall but what they did to produce switching defense and Wagner's running all of it and then on top of that making every shot and then you think is he that quick is he that strong he gets caught and ran turn around on a switch and then shoulders him like a 10 year vet and Chuck's cough and ran one of the strongest guys out there defensively he puts a shoulder in Chuck's him so I guess I'm wondering why is like why is

everyone not like hey it's five guys and it starts after Wagner yeah I'll start with this one because I I had this conversation earlier today with Adam Finkelstein and I love Finkelstein and you know

“Adam does a lot of work in high school basketball as well and what he brought up is I think”

something that is really valid with Wagner I can absolutely see a world in three years even maybe even in two years where we look back and we're like oh man we fuck that off Wagner should have gone apart I don't know where I feel like every time I watch him seriously go ahead I think

that world 100% exists the problem is that we've never really seen him against high level competition

outside of this Illinois scheme which I think was literally the best in the country this year offensively uh Brad Underwood his son Tyler Underwood who really developed the scheme they gave him oceans of space to work in right they gave him so much room to operate comparatively to the other guards in the country like you watched Aaron Peterson it's like oh no like they're just definitely not guarding Florie Bedunger Bryson Taylor or Melvin Council outside of Peterson's facing

“three guys when he comes down on the side so time so I think Kingston Fleming's you know it's”

Chris the Nak and it's Jojo Tugler teams don't guard either of those guys outside of ten feet they

don't care it's by Kingston Fleming's never really got to the ram as much as you would expect

with Wagner like they have four spacing bigs on the team they're like the only team in the country there's more than one of them and you know it's it's just hard to know exactly how to separate what I think is like genuinely like Tyler Underwood is gonna be if not like a college basketball coach like I think could be an NBA coach like down the road way way down the road at some point versus what is Keaton from that equation and how how good is he comparatively to the other players

in this class that did not get the same advantages that he received in college. Thanks people adding to what Sam said despite those circumstances he still only attempted the one don't call you he finished only 55% of his shots at the rim made only 40% of his drives to the rim and so that's despite having all that space to operate in and as Sam perfectly described was a beautiful perfect system to optimize who he is and I think with Keaton log of that got that context I look at and it's like

well yeah we got to see him flourish obviously he led us team to a final four and he did a sensational year and unexpected one and done but I think there are those questions about how it's going to look for him in the NBA compared to a cuff compared to my Cal Brown compared to Kingston Fleming's some of these other guards so I like him a lot and I certainly think there's a chance 10 years from now we're like yeah we screwed this up he should have been one or two there's definitely

a chance that I still think even Chicago should be thinking about one of these guards instead of Caleb Wilson I'd love to love the Caleb Wilson fit next to Modus pizellas and Noah's and Gay and and Josh Gady I know you're not drafting for fit but I think you do have to think about structure and philosophy and I'm not sure Wilson answers some of their questions there that they need as they build this system out moving forward around their core pieces. What if you can add an AI assistant to your work

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somebody out of your rankings but a name that keeps coming up to you're like I can't believe this guy's going ahead of a handful of these other players. Yeah like it would be really hard for me to take Nate aim it to be honest with you just like I totally get it I understand that he's six foot 10 almost and is capable of handling the ball and in high school showcase that he could shoot it's just that this kind of player type is not really for me right he is has super high hips

and I really worry about how that's going to translate to him actually being able to play on the ball and gain leverage in any way shape or form in order to access that ability to play on the ball

“it's almost more that I think he should be like a jaded McDonald's type who really focuses on”

being like a three in D player who's super long and covers the ton of ground and I actually think he could do that pretty effectively but I'm not convinced that that seems to be like who he wants to be his player it's not a shot at the kid like everything I get told about the kid is that he's it's unbelievable human being and that he's like a really really good person and like really cares about basketball and I hope that he can transition into being something like that I just don't

buy into the on ball skill really and you kind of mentioned Michael Brown earlier again it's just like not a player type for me I think at the end of the day where you kind of mentioned all of the wild decision making like I haven't seen like the way I talk about it is in baseball terms just because like I grew up playing baseball and it's like you know sometimes when you have a man on third base you just need to hit a ground ball to second base hit an opposite field ground ball in the

guy will score if there's one out or less you take the productive out right or you know you hit a fly ball to the outfield with the guy on third base with one out or less you take the productive out I don't think I saw Michael Brown take a productive out or even just like try to hit a single all this year it was I'm going for a home run all the time every single time you know it was like watching Adam done play baseball or play basketball I felt like to me where it was like three true

out of the house it was what I call it was it was it was highlight it was like incredible

unbelievable highlight it was turnover or you know it was him shooting right so it's you know he's already literally interesting play he threw a lob so far out of bounds to his teammate from half court and then he actually gave him a little bronze stair like what are you doing and the other guy looks back at him like what if I had to watch another McKell Brown pocket pass that was like we're there was there was no pocket there was no pocket in there but he's also what

six four KOC and I mean he can rain from deep so I understand like there's other teams that

“are just like you're totally wrong you know he's he's pretty special and honestly this”

guard group is so stacked like he's kind of being forgotten but KOC did not forget he did not want to forget uh quick answer from you on a similar player and you can't use Nate well Nate would be the answer so I won't repeat him I would I would have said Nate rumors it's six because then that's have so many guards oh I mean it wouldn't shock me they took a yagor de home in last year a bit of a surprise so Nate Nate at six wouldn't be a total shocker for me I

think the answer would be a die Mara I mean I like Mara I liked him going into UCLA and then he's stunk it up for two years there before going to Michigan and he was awesome um in fact is he's a he hasn't hit over 60% of his free throws and three years of college he fancied himself a shooter

entering college has never worked out for him so I think with Mara as a 7 foot 3 guy he's he got

“better as a junior you know he's not the toughest um and I think with him even though he could go”

maybe eight to Atlanta at the highest I think that's probably his peak um I would rather just take a big later and all likely so like if I'm at Atlanta and he gave me one of the guards there I'd rather swing on my curl brown at eight and then take a guard and take a big at 23 rather than take Mara at 28 and then a guard at 23 if that makes sense yeah Mara seems married to the eighth pick and it's there's there's certain need things here right like I've talked about the clippers are going

cuff next to Garland again unless you guys are just like look a cuff is that exciting and he played off the ball which those off the ball numbers as you pointed out Sam or good

“like at least there's something there um I think Atlanta probably wouldn't go with”

Nate after going to Risa Shay being like hey this may not like are we sure um I think Brooklyn deciding like I don't think that guard room is necessarily good enough even though they took a

million of them for them to start getting cute and passing on whether it's a walkler at Acuff

or Kingston and I like your Atlanta call there like Mara gets plugged in as this other big option for a Congo it's like okay so you have the eighth pick which is absurd that you even ended up with it because of the straight and so you're you're locking yourself already into like us back up big like sure it's a totally different look and you know you watch that tournament run he's not somebody that you're going to think is going to hold up getting switched into but

there's something to being seven three and being as mobile as he is you know he's not you know look I'm not saying you super quickly he's not complete stiff out there and of course you can also you can pass you can run some offense to room and send some people up there

but it's it's kind of like well yeah but you you're basically guaranteeing yourself that

you just drafted somebody that's probably not going to start for you unless somebody else gets hurt do you have any other player to team stuff in the lottery where it's like hey this makes a ton of sense or doesn't make any sense yeah I'll shut out a couple uh I really love the idea of Morez Johnson with a number of teams frankly with Oklahoma City with Charlotte just a really tough physical player super professional you know brings it every day you know

you talk to the Michigan staff they're just like man this this guy just was our parometer every single

“day in practice he really elevated our level every single day yeah I think that Morez you know Oklahoma”

City where they could play him with chat very easily I think and have that kind of switchable

defense with a ton of physicality that they really appreciate uh and then Charlotte obviously

just needs more physicality on the interior with Lucidubate and Ryan Calc Brenner I think that you know Morez makes a lot of sense for these teams in the lottery yeah I love Morez Johnson I'd dusty me and my podcast about a month ago and and he said to me his staff had a saying that if it felt like the team was a bit off they'd look at each other and say well we have resin they don't and I think the Sam's point I mean he's he was the Burrometer of this team and

like he made them tick and I love Morez Johnson I think Charlotte at 14 I would be shocked if he if he slid past them at the 14 spot I mean one of the things we didn't really talk about much is Braden Burries I mean Ryan you mentioned earlier the the Clippers at five like maybe they just love A-Cough and the side to have a Garland A-Cough that court and bill with those guys but uh the bottom month ago I heard some rumblings about the Clippers really liking Braden Burries and

I'm not that high on Burries by any means but what is it is it because it's not enough point

“card stuff in there because there's some other stuff in there that's great for sure I mean I think”

it's exactly that's just not enough point cards stuff he's not like blowing by anybody as a creator but like he's a connective piece and I think if you're building this the Garland it would this team if you're still trying to win with a lie Leonard in this core Burries with his connective ability his on ball flashes the ability off the catch as well as a versatile shooter the toughness I use a really hard nose player I think that is somebody that you add as a foundation

for the current current present day core but also for the future I think Burries is going to be a really good player for a really long time so there's a level of safety with him while still retaining upside that I think makes him appealing for the Clippers at five or Dallas at nine is a building block next to Cooper Flag so I like Burries in a lot of spots even though I don't think he necessarily has quite the upside as some of these other guards do I like Honest Steinbeck too much

yes is the answer the answer I think is no to be honest with you I said Steinbeck I just press press this name Steinbeck I'm going to tell you I kind of love him I also love them the more I wash my ended up with him the top 12 I think that he is an awesome rebounder he catches everything in his area he is strong he really knows how to play in short rolls catches below his waist can really pass the ball he makes good decisions I think he has potential to shoot it down

the road the question for me is like what is the defensive role because if you look at what Washington's numbers were when they played him next to a center versus when they played him alone is the one big on the court the room protection numbers really dropped off a cliff a little

more challenging for him to be around the rim consistently but Steinbeck is one of those guys that

like I see there being a zero percent chance that he's not in the NBA for a decade he is too big his hands are too good he rebounds too well he is willing to play physically he has touched that is too good around the rim it's just whether or not he's going to be a top 10 center in the NBA but I don't think you're wrong to love them I am also a big fan it's just that there's a safety there Ryan I feel safe when Steinbeck is on my team he's going to be a good role player at worst I mean

“that that's the the best thing you can say about if you're just trying to draft a good center”

you're going to draft a good center in hand and I think long term he's going to be able to shoot it too on top of whatever everything you said Sam I mean he shot 34% from three last year and about two but two attempts per game 76% from the line from one of her he's shot pretty well pre-draft as well in his training and I I think with his touch near the rim that's going to translate to mid-high thirties at some point in his career and so if you have a guy who's near seven foot

who's talented into a player good decision maker good screener does all the foundational things you want from a big and he can space for you as well give me that guy so I think that you know 11 to 16 range is very reasonable for him for sure okay next question if Kareem Lopez and Allen Graves entered into catholone was just against each other who would you picked a win you

“Ryan's out yeah I know that's why it's why I'm not I gotta tell you man the”

Kareem Lopez and I get excited about those guys I'm a huge New Zealand guy Sam knows that I mean not many of you draft analysts that they're right you I went watch breakers ball live court side I haven't even done that yeah yeah I got excited to break it was a couple of months ago and I think I sent Sam a text I was like I thought something was wrong with my video player thought it was lag god give it a 0.75 speed yeah and then I talked to a team I said you can

use this in the room I said give as like my cop for him is if Yokech absolutely sucked but it's still a compliment wow right is it I think it's still a compliment I just said if you were a much worse version than the guy who's had the best player in the world belt which apparently you know it's now disputed but he's he's a really talented kid he really is but God is he slow he's kind of a jack of all trades he kind of does everything yeah he's he's just a little of everything but

“but he doesn't have like a star skill and that's why why you have him ranked a lot lower than”

most people Sam right yeah I do I have him that's 24 I'm not he was top 10 before right like sorry interrupt but I mean this was kind of like a mock top 10 guy before the season got started correct yeah but by the time the preseason it rolled around I think I'd had him probably in like the

middle 10 of the first round somewhere um yeah crimson interesting player very slow not wildly twitchy

man if you see him in person like his shoulders are like boulders like he is really going to be able to move people by the time he's like 23 24 25 and that's going to allow him to be effective as a downhill driver but like he also doesn't really shoot the defense drives me absolutely insane like Ryan I think he was probably the worst defender in the NBA all this year and like man the NBA was like not in athletic league compared to other leagues worldwide I love this league I do like

genuinely it's so fun to watch it is such a cool time to be out here in Australia like basketball

culture is amazing here but it's not wildly athletic league it's a lot more of a skill-based league

that plays up tempo and he looks like not a great athlete in a league filled with athletes who are not quite as athletic is what we'll see in the NBA let's go with. Okay so then that takes to Alan Grace freshman he was huge for this Santa Clara team the wingspan 7 feet 67 226 the shooting split 51 41% makes his free throws kind of does a bunch of everything but it felt like a lot of stuff where I went I don't know how much of this is going to work in the NBA and he had a

great season but I was like I don't know man Kevin I don't actually don't even know where you are

if you are in some way a little bit higher can you please make the positive pitch for Alan Grace not too much higher I have him like 20 21 but I'll I'll make the case anyway for for Alan

Grace for the second conversation here 40% shooter 40% shooter and a six foot eight frame and

granted he came off the bench 22 minutes per game Santa Clara lower level of competition didn't even perform that great against quad one and quad two teams as numbers were lower across the board fact is is that he is somebody who shines in the analytical models 67 seals 33 blocks not just a guy who's just making makes him mistakes off ball occasionally getting his hands on balls to get steals her blocks he's a guy who'll take a charge he plays hard

rebounds out of his area so if you have a guy who hustles who plays hard who makes smart defensive rotations who can shoot who grew up playing point guard who can make the right pass

who facilitates who plays selflessly you have the makings of a potential highly versatile

six eight guy who can plug and plug and plug and play into different roles for your team now

“I think the production aspect is a real concern within that's what this is my real thoughts here”

I do think the production that he had against top team is quad one and two teams is a bit worrisome I wish he stayed another year in college he filed out of six games last year averaged over three files per game so there's some real concerns and I think he's a real project but I think the case for him is the fact that he did produce as a freshman on unexpectedly at a high level and if you're getting him in the 20s I do think he offers a level of upside perhaps some of the other

guys in that range don't it was a little alarming watching Santa Clara conference games then going to that Kentucky Turner game and you're like oh this isn't this isn't the same thing but who knows he can kind of do everything he's huge he's got a huge frame okay so he probably takes him a 12 and he makes it all start team seven years so good luck with that give me somebody you just want to talk about Sam somebody I just want to talk about okay

let's go with let's go with can we talk about co-op because I co-op is a fascinating player

“I think he's just like one of those dudes who's really good at basketball even if he can't shoot”

and I understand the shooting is like the most important skill set in today's NBA outside of

being able to think but like I think the co-op can process what's happening around him quickly I think he's super strong and physical I think that he rebounds pretty well he is a solid defender it's one of those things where he does literally everything for me but shoot from three like even I mean look the shooting mechanics right now if you've seen any of the pre-drive video circulating I have some worries guys I got some real concerns on what's happening there with some of the

adjustments that are being made but like he could shoot from the midrange in both high school and in Arizona I'm a little bit worried whether or not that's going to be true now based off mechanics but like I think that really you're talking about a player who can do kind of a little bit of everything except shoot from three at six foot seven with a six foot 11 wingspan 240 pounds and he moves fairly well and can jump reasonably well I just wonder if we're all just like oh man

but this guy can't shoot and we're looking at it like oh wait no this guy's like he's just good at basketball like why are we overthinking this I'm just really glad you said that about the videos because when I saw the pre-drive process shooting I'm like who's that not that he was lighting it up at Arizona but the floaters the stuff like downhill and that showed me at least somebody like for a bigger guy and I know he's kind of like tweeners are in now but even he

feels like this outdated tweener in a way but yeah I was shocked because I'm like I like this guy way more than where he's projected and then when I watched like like we just mentioned when you watch the shooting videos but why would anybody put these out this is awful so good luck to him but yeah if you tell me like late 20s he's still on the board I tell you I saw enough of

“Arizona like we could do worse than this so I hope it works out for him. Kevin?”

The Baron Fylons the guy I want to talk about and I think it's in part because of what we saw Jalen Brudson winning finals MVP people talk about small guards small guards are back and all that. Brudson's like 210 to 15 maybe even 220 and the Baron Fylon is going to enter the NBA at 176 pounds and he entered the draft last year weighing in at 175 and so he got better as a

shocker. Everything got better. Offensively everything got better. However teams still wanted to see him add more weight and everybody I talked to around the league has real concerns about whether his

“very light frame can support a lot more weight and so I think with Fylon he's a guy and I'm curious”

what you guys think about this I mean do you want to invest in a guy sub 180 pounds as your lead point guard in today's NBA as he destined to be a career backup and we're overthinking it this skill level so significant with him that he can be one of the exceptions potentially in the

long term so I'm I'm split on him ultimately I think he's the guy that I'd pass on and if I miss

I miss like so be it but it and it becomes a star I'll live with it but ultimately I think with him he's a very complex evaluation in part just because of his weight. Well I mean this is a compliment to NATO it's not a criticism it's similar to the Illinois thing too right where people point to the fact that you know oh he averaged 23 points a game and five assists and three rebounds a game and did so and all this efficiency and you know really improves the finisher at the rim well

he constantly is oceans of space to play in in a way that Kingston Fleming's you know

“Darren Peterson to an extent a cuff I think that cows offense improved pretty drastically this”

year from like an overall scheme and creativity perspective but like I just worry you know you look at these Alabama guys in the past right that have kind of come through and have you know brain and Miller obviously a hit but like brain and Miller is probably going to be a hit no matter what he ended up being a top three pick and a really strong draft you know herb Jones was a guy that they didn't recruit right like that's not one of their guys that's you know average Johnson

guy who they just happened to get uh he analysis like the only other player from this era of Alabama basketball that you know his really paned out in the way that I think we all wanted him to pan out in that way right and I think in part it's because we tend to look at the way that these guys look at Alabama where they look awesome and their scheme is amazing and it's free flowing and it's up tempo and they put up great numbers and then they get to the NBA and it's like

well you know there's players who didn't have the advantages that I had in college playing in these oceans of space and I hope that that's not the case for Fylon but I do wonder if in addition to the weight which Kevin brings up that that could be an issue for Fylon as it compares to other

players entering the NBA. I didn't like Fylon last year um you know there was always the

comp because it's Auburn's Alabama like I like pedafer it's so much better than him going back a year ago and of course pedafer had some just monster tournament moments but Fylon really impressed

“me because I went into it being like you know you don't really like this guy I think there's probably”

some concerns that like the offense is so much better but is the defense where it was last year with him but you're right I mean at that size like you've got to be like really really special to be going all right we're going to take this guy especially you know some of the some of the projections of like I don't know how you take 'em over breweries I you know I don't know how you take 'em certainly not over any of these other guards let me throw another guard in the mix for you

starts Iowa he floats he dribbles in a way where he's setting up every move everything seems to have a purpose it's constant attack I think the shooting numbers would be better if he wasn't thrown grenade after grenade after grenade all regular season long where it's like hey what you shoot this now um I love the way this guy plays I was talking to a team last night it was like oh cool so you are you want to fight the history of white point cards in the league I plan well

it isn't it isn't great for my people I understand that position there have been long-term struggles but there is he just feels like this high school counter over to the haircut I don't know if it's his background but he reminds me of like the kid on the other high school team that you're like he's going to end up doing something great and he's going to win and there's like nothing else we can do about it and again I understand he projects sort of as a backup but there is something to the way

he separates like the ball from his feet in the way he floats there's it is very different

and he's always looking to push and I think he's in constant motion even he doesn't have the

basketball um so it just tells me that he's been raised the right way basketball wise but I don't think there's a lot of teams that are going to be like sitting there going we have solved our point or problem if they grab him late in the first round I'd start to my pod and one of the things

not just a point guard because that's what he did in college it was balling his hands all the time played basically every single minute the offense lived every minute yes exactly every minute literally

“like that's not let's not alive no I mean he was I think a Drake he was 39 and a half minutes per”

guess oh the funniest number the funniest starts number is that in conference play last year he played 40.3 minutes per game it's a four-day minutes per game and he played 40.3 minutes per game because

it's way better than my Drake gamer but thank you for that that's nuts so I mean like he he always

at the ball on his hands and he said to me that he's trying to show what he can do as an off ball guy because he knows in the NBA he said that I'm not gonna be playing the same rule that I did in college and so I had went back prior to this interview for the draft guy profile I did on him and I watched all of his kitchen shoes stuff I'm like just statistically on the surface how are you that take four minutes yeah four minutes not long but he made 46% of his kitchen shirt threes over four

years in college right and when you watch the video on them he's got a lot of like no dip threes ability to hit off a movement in relocations and so there's this skill that he has as a role player as a shooter off the catch as a cutter off ball as a mover without the ball on his hands that he

never was able to show in college that makes me more bullish on him as an NBA prospect because

he knew all the things he does offensively everything you said Ryan is 100% true but he also has

“the stability to be just one of the guys on the floor and and I think that makes him a pretty”

clear cut good role player in the NBA and I'm excited about him I'm gonna have him somewhere in my top 20 I don't know where he'll land exactly but yeah the guys awesome good kid works hard married already very mature I'm a big like a negative I love this you saying that yeah like I think the thing with circumstances like he's very sudden like he plays with more suddenness than what you expect for him right he plays it like sharper angles right he's a real

example he's actually it's okay we can say that he's actually athletic yeah no like realistically

like he really plays it sharp angles is the thing like you see him like really put force like on his crossovers like through his ankles where like he's able to just like really like crossover and put the like separate from his man in a way that I think is a little bit different than what again you expect on top of it the thing that's really funny though is that Kevin brought up the idea and this is where like I'm trying to I'm trying to like go through this idea like

psychologically in my head where I'm like all right I'm just like assuming that he can do this because he's white or like can he actually do this like moving without the ball thing because honestly like he just didn't do it it I want or it Drake right like went because he played so many minutes when he played off of the ball it was often like an active rest possession right where he would actually just kind of hang out above the three point line or would hang out in the corner

for 30 seconds because Ben McCallam wanted to keep him on the court and he wouldn't really move right like we didn't see him ever really make a super high level cut or we didn't see him you know sprint off of a screening action off of the ball into like a fade away three or something like that where he really had to set his feet so do I think he can do it yeah probably like I think that that's real but like how much of that is me just like cognitively being like oh yeah he looks like

a guy that could probably do that and it'll be fine right versus no he actually has like real basketball like you and knows how to play the game like I can't imagine a war where he doesn't know how to do that you know what I mean what I was looking at the points per shot stuff and I was like man he's in the 98th percentile for catching shoot on top everything else that he does and then when I saw this blitz it was like yeah 1% of his shot attempts were catching shoot as far as jump shots right

“so it's even lower if you go the entire thing so dribble jumpers 98% so that's why it was kind of”

laughing like the off ball stuff but he does he does cut off the ball it just doesn't take a ton of those shots should we do a minute or two more on Kingston Fleming's because I feel like he got overlooked of some of the top guys because I think all of us love him too you know yeah just like place with the thing with me with Kingston is he plays it real speed and he thinks it real speed and whenever you can do those two things together and make good decisions while being able to

play at the kind of pace that he's able to play at is I think frankly probably the most athletic of all of these guards at the top of the draft I think it really allows you to be highly successful in the NBA now I think you can definitely shoot from the midrange I do want to see a little bit

very funky I do think that sometimes uh untraditional let's go with shot mechanics can lead to people underestimating somebody's touch level or potential ceiling as a player because it just doesn't look right it doesn't look the way it's supposed to look in Kingston shot it doesn't look the way other players shot look looks but like this is the guy that's made

“85% of his free throws pretty consistently throughout the course of his life right so I think that”

in general he has really good touch and it'll just be ironing out the shot mechanics that he has he is just a little bit more slight of frame comparatively to some of these other players when I talk to teams about like okay so who do you think the guys are they're going to put on weight they're going to be able to fill out like King Woggler people think he's going to fill out get up to like 200 pounds pretty easily Michael Brown people think he's going to fill out like

really easily like his frame he's a guy that had a late growth Spartan high school and you know is continuing to fill out his frame Kingston is one where when you talk to teams they're like yeah we're not really sure how that's going to fill out like it is just like a little bit more slight in terms of his shoulders and everything so I'm certainly interested to see where Keaton goes on draft night I'm a big fan I have a ahead of buries and brown just because of that

ability to think and play fast at the same time but you know we'll kind of see where I wonder if his ceiling is a little bit lower than some of these other guys if only just because of the lack of

“size and strength that he might end up not being able to have I think that's a good way to put”

it Sam in terms of the upside and with Fleming's I like him I mean I think he's a really good kid really hard worker I think he's going to maximize whatever it is that he'll become in the NBA

but ultimately he is only 6-3 he does have only a 6-4 wing span and there are those questions

I've had those conversations very similar about what amount of weight he'll actually be able to put on in the NBA so even though he plays hard on defense what level can he actually reach as a defensive player even though he theoretically could become a better at room finish than he was playing with multiple non shooters at Houston what level can he actually become as a at room finish or on top of all the shooting questions that you rightfully outlined with his mechanics

and I think with Fleming's on top of that he did have some struggles against top level of competition as well 11 points on four of 10 in the sweet 16 he was a lot worse against quad one and quad two teams as well and we're working with small sample sizes in college of course but it's just another data point when you're stacking up all these guards next to each other and ultimately why I have Fleming's behind some of the others I just I would rather take the swing on a Michael Brown

with his upside despite some of the things you talked about earlier Ryan with like a you know are they the comp you made sand as was one of those brilliant crossport comps I've ever heard

that was amazing but I don't think that's yeah they add up the comp I mean I just rather take

“that swing but ultimately like Kingston Farmers I think he'll be a solid rotation player”

and perhaps he exceeds expectations but I'm not I wouldn't take him as some of the other guards that doesn't sound great okay all right here's how we're gonna close this out we do this with McShay and Brear it's called the war room I just made that up we didn't really call it anything but I'm gonna tell you which team you represent and the deal is it's on the table and I along with the audience get to just observe all right everybody understand the rules okay here we go

KOC represents the Washington Wizards Sam represents the San Antonio Spurs KOC calls and offers the number one overall pick for Dylan Harper KOC for sure I would not offer that

I wouldn't offer that first but I'll argue well that's not that's not that's with you know I know exactly

this is role play but I'm role playing as a team that is super high on Dylan Harper boy we want Dylan Harper Sam and we're willing to put the number one pick on the table in this conversation but we're not doing it just for Dylan Harper we're going to need some more draft capital for me I don't have that written down go ahead keep going yeah okay I can't I can't do it for more draft capital

Dylan Harper just had quite literally the best rookie playoff run in the history of our organization and one of the best playoff runs in the history of the NBA playoffs for a rookie there's no way that we're giving up more value but we're willing to have the conversation you know at least about Harper for number one I think that I would probably

out in the future I know you guys have done an amazing job of accumulating draft capital

you know out into the future are there any of those picks that you'd be willing to give in addition to number one for me for Dylan Harper because he's proven it at this point in a way that you know even somebody like AJ debons their Darren Peterson hasn't I mean what has he proven really though obviously we know we can get to the run it's proven a lot what has he proven it's like the best finals are for the rookie since magic

so just so we're clear all right we take off the masks now you wouldn't offer the number one picks for Dylan Harper if you all Washington okay and Sam you wouldn't give up Dylan Harper for the number one pick or you would I probably would in all honesty would I appreciate it here

“I that's what we're doing I would probably be willing to do it if only just because I think that”

I would like to reset the rookie scale if I was San Antonio I'd be one year of cheaper contract and be I do have a higher grade on AJ cam and these guys I actually that's one situation for what it's worth where I actually would take campus or at number one if you told me I'm getting campus or next to Victor Wemin Yamma that would be absolutely terrifying so that's a dream can you imagine oh my goodness all right I just I just like the scenarios there but two two

guys like in fact like no doubts whatsoever I I wonder if San Antonio would actually just say no though and go we we can't do it because of everything we've done and about that's what I'd say

if I'm the first I think that's actually probably what they would say

Deer Fox probably also be available all right next scenario KFC is New Orleans good luck I'm in trouble here Sam is Sam is okay see oh god and KFC calls up okay and says we'll give you our unprotected at 28 for number 12 oh what do you think Sam? yes yes KFC you're supposed to say hey we do business a little different down here in the

buy you can I also get is there any chance I get my hands on trade Murphy in addition to that unprotected you might as well as I'll have a more serious one here Sam represents okay see and KFC represents Portland and Sam offers up number 12 and 17 for Tussmani tomorrow

“I'm intrigued okay I think I would so had off I don't know what is up with my”

pronunciation today I just added an S to like one of my favorite players in the NBA strong but no I don't I'm here for it it's like one of those deals where you know look Belgium's close to France you know you can see two being the plural to your US you know it's all good good okay tsunami you're something was that what you said tsunami no I just threw an S in there and honestly if it were like week four of the NFL season I did I can understand but the

NBA season's too fresh I feel much worse about it than anybody else should but it's an interesting

idea here so okay 12 for 12 and 17 I think that I would first offer I'm gonna offer you number 12

for Tumani tomorrow Kevin I really like Tumani tomorrow I would be willing to also give you

“Lou Dort in this deal if you would be willing to send back um hmm do you be willing to send back”

a lottery protected first round even a top 20 protected first round or with Tumani tomorrow for 12 and either Lou Dort or Isaiah Joe depending on which one you prefer that's absurd I were not giving them you up a given another pick here but we're we're giving you Tumani Kamara who is one of the best defensive players in all of the NBA and has become a better one of the best defensive players in the NBA how these these older Tumani's only 26 years old getting better

on an upward trajectory as well 37% from three last year on only five attempts for game 37% this year on over seven attempts per game improving every year still in elite defender all for number 12 which is a bunch of uncertain picks we're gonna need at least 12 and 17

you guys can retain that we'll just take Isaiah Joe and said but we need 12 and 17 on top of

your early second round draft pick as well yeah there's no chance I'm doing that yeah look here's

“the reality I just think financially we can't accept Tumani Kamara indoor system I think that we need”

to at the end of the day you know be cutting some money here so we'd be willing to do it if we're getting off the Dort money and kind of locking in that salary long term with Tumani where the numbers are pretty similar actually but like yeah there's just I don't think there's any way we can add more money to the two our books here while also giving up both of our expensive and frankly potentially cheap salary top 20 picks this year all right still mate okay so now

Koc represents Houston Sam is running the show down in Atlanta Koc offers up Tari East and for the number 8 pick hard pass for me I'm like you go first Sam I've got me if I'm in Atlanta so here here's all I want this so it has to be a sign and trade and I have I mean my route to cap spaces now removing Jonathan Kamingo from the books so I would yeah I know right but like there is a what is the marginal difference between Tari East and in Jonathan Kamingo right so there's like a

question there to me on some level it's sorry Eastern accepting the like mid level is that what we're

“no kind of saying here that's why Koc calls you get rid of yeah it's tough negotiation okay so”

so how are we formulating this beyond number 8 I would do 23 for Tari East and if it's been that tough that's tough of the negotiation I'm willing to do number 23 for Tari so just to be clear this would have to basically be a double sign and trade that is the way we'd be looking at this because Tari is in whatever salary number it's gonna be yeah right we don't notice it yeah so I think like so maybe perhaps coming uh coming uh coming uh coming uh yeah we're up to this production how about

kyspert plus healer now we're cooking kyspert plus reshushay something along those lines let's just talk about the money here kyspert plus reshushay that that feels a solid starting point right yeah okay kyspert reshushay in 23 for Tari East and I sure yeah I do that I don't know if I

“do that to be honest with you like having come on the next one not see that I figured you're”

gonna hang up on them because you were like why would I give up the eighth pick to move from Kominga to Tari East and I wouldn't prove that much and I just gave up not all that interested yeah right so then I was gonna have you hang up on them and now you're running the clippers and kosc offers up re-shepard for the number five pick say kc kc with never never

never um i'd fire so kodoka higher a coach you want's the playery chairman first to found you

can we so I'm gonna decline re-chepard for number five yeah can we do like the the realistic one here which is Oklahoma city to me right for number five 12 and 17 for five that doesn't get it done know what else but they have more is the thing so I'm sure right okay so far then if I'm the clippers right and you Kevin like if you're Oklahoma city what are you willing to author I'd put 12 and 17 on the table to start for sure and obviously I know that I have to

give up more in that scenario probably more future draft capital but also since the clippers you trying to win you might want a loot door you might want a nice ajo or whoever it is I'd imagine you'd want a player as well as just 12 and 17 I'd imagine I'd want payback if

I were Lawrence Frank I would like hey this is kind of the price and it's 20 percent more

so that's kind of what I'm gonna I'm gonna ask for this I want 12 I want 17 I want my swap for next year to be extinguished so I'm getting Oklahoma city earn or owns the 2027 picks swap with the clippers and they have the positive end of that I want that extinguished and I want Jared McCain those are the four things I want and I'm willing to do 12 17 give her the pick swap Jared McCain and I will give you five the pick swap's probably irrelevant though probably but

I want to know no no no no no it's not because Oklahoma city is gonna be oh wait wait I see we were saying they're gonna have the clippers pick so that's actually so valuable I would there's no I don't think there's any way they would do that I apologize for that they would absolutely be swapping because well they're going for like 29 to somewhere I mean look who

10 to 15 in the ballpark of that it could be anywhere Sam we can't give you Jared McCain

but we will give you that swap can you do that um if I tossed you back um trying to think what we have here what we have at our disposal here in terms of capital could you don't want we don't want another pick in this year's drafts we don't want

“37 yeah obviously you don't want another pick in this year's draft we have a I think I”

would need all of 12 17 the swap and McCain because going to his room hands right now 12 to going from 5 to 12 this is a significant drop off in talent value in my opinion like I'm going from

giving you guys Keaton Wawgler which by the way might end up being another circumstance we're

giving you another big awesome guard who can dribble past and shoot to taking like a dimara our Hans time block which I'm not as interested in as I am in Keaton Wawgler so I think I would need 12 17 the swap in Jared McCain I think I would need all of them if you're willing to like throw me an offer back or I'm adding something in addition

“I'll consider that but I think I you know like okay let's say it's not McCain would you do”

sorber in that case how about we give you 37 and Isaiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins in place of Jared McCain and we just call it a deal right here yeah I mean I like Wiggins on the value contract but think I would rather take the flyer on sorber like could we do 12 17 the extinguished picks guy who could potentially play behind him as soon as the season so he's very important to our team we we need sorber and we can't give him up on the deal but we will give you 37 we will extinguish

the pick and we know how valuable that is for you guys to have that especially with the new lottery rules it takes on even more value next year asking for McCain on top of that when you're getting 12 you can get a really good guard there who knows a buco coriander can end up the best

guard you never know it's always possible and there's a reason why I'm not actually

okay so wait so what one more offer here will you do to intend well 12 17 right here is a two parts the extinguished pick and then you own a Denver pick next year as well now we're not we're not given up any other first we're already given you your swap back we're already given it to you and and a 37 you guys can trade 36 and 37 too much animals just too much about this to be between the organizations I did another one we're KOC got

recently but I knew it would just say yes so I will just maybe cancel that one out I'm not a recent shade I know I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm 11 I love the French you had about 11 I said win it's a win I guess I have some doubts on the way out from what you guys have so everybody can check out more get busy and yeah who sports you can check out my NBA draft guide 12 years now doing these it's kind of crazy it's been so long and I love putting them together I'll be live on on

draft night as well over at yeah I was sports NBA on YouTube and yeah I'm fired up I'm excited for

“this route I think it's going to be incredibly exciting I think we're going to get a lot of trades”

after the top four and I know we say that every year but it feels like there's just even more noise and more movable teams this year to our point of the conversation we just had okay see 12 and 17 Charlotte 14 and 18 Dallas 9 and 30 Atlanta 8 and 23 a lot of potential movement this year yeah I'm missing that like 16 arranged with all the draft capital that they have from the McCain and Vayne from the Vayne and Jared Jackson traits yeah so go to the athletic you know as you know

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with copilot learn more at m365 copilot dot com slash work we still have kind of draft news which I may be embarrassed to be involved in but it is a big story brand source b is now entering the supplemental draft and for a good 10 minutes here our guide Todd McShay from the McShay show from ringer also his McShay report covering all this stuff all right so let's just spend a few minutes on this we know that he was ruled by Texas judge to be able play Texas tech and

then in the middle of the night all of the big 12 got together and filed this massive lawsuit and now source b is going to enter the supplemental draft thoughts on just him as a draft prospect yeah this this one's fascinating right because you've got a quarterback who wasn't it didn't play to the level and show the consistency if you go back and watch like early in the season he was really making progress right and then he kind of tailed off towards the end and I

think that that that factored into that combined with a six million dollar opportunity to go have

a final year of college experience and despite knowing that he's entering into a draft class seemingly at that point that included archmaning Dante more potentially CJ car Julian Sayon Lenore sellers and beyond he's still recognized based off of probably his draft grade when he when he sent in the you know his his information to try to get a response from the advisory committee in the NFL and they give you back a first round grade a second round grade or go back to school

so the way I view him right now six foot three two hundred thirty five pounds you watch his tape and he was headed to Texas Tech there's a lot of similarities like the loose-up or body the floating around in the pocket not structured to what we saw from Patrick Mahomes coming out of

“Texas Tech and I remember the time I probably learned more from that evaluation than any other player”

and since then have adjusted to like results and traits at that position rather than like the old like duorski hodge like you know I used to call him the NFL was the biker gang would come up to ESPN every every year and until you all the mechanics are wrong and they can't play in the national football league and so we've seen guys like like my homest and and Josh Allen and Lamal camore brothers like that camore it's traits and results and well if we get time and we

develop and properly they can be special in the league even though they're not there now but they have the mobility and the creativity and some of those traits when they don't have the answers between their ears right away to extend a play and get out of trouble and maybe one big play can make up for two or three plays where they missed opportunity so he is big he's got a strong

“arm he's mobile he like when I watch Jackson Dart I remember saying I think it was a hundred and”

sixty seven plays on his pressure real right every single time he was pressured through his last year at Ole Miss and despite not having the size and necessarily the arm of Josh Allen there

was a lot of similarities and like you've got this strong mobile creative guy who's always like

kind of like invites the pressure and in the chaos and thrives and so almost like the the heart rate goes down you know he's got a lot of those qualities I think Jackson Dart is a pretty good pretty good comp form I think that he's I see some similarities with my homes and that like he can do so many things but he's not there yet but where do you take this guy and I asked that because skills wise and even like the national list right it comes out and it's a kind of a younger entry

level area scout who winds up giving a grade and then they come together as a committee and but he was in the top twenty five or so in that and for the national and a lot of people including myself looking at him saying you know what he's not where archers and he's certainly not where Dante is but he and sellers Lenore sellers from South Carolina the two guys to keep an eye on because if they take those next steps like we saw Cam Ward in his final year at Miami we saw

difference in tape from Cal which was really exciting about what it could be to the more of a

“finished type product at Indiana we've seen this now Bonyx and other guy so I think we were all”

hopeful another year was gonna allow him to take those next steps to Texas Tech and become a potential top ten pick right in a class that's projected to be maybe one of the best quarterback classes we've seen in the history of the NFL draft so all that said is traits wise yeah

potentially you could see a team like the jets with three first round picks you could see a team

like the Browns with two first round picks you've got other teams like Arizona Minnesota I wouldn't rule out Atlanta Carolina all sitting there with situations they could lead them to say you know what bring him in get him in the building early develop him mentally get him ready for the 2021 season and we get a jump on that but then there's the big question do you trust him do you trust the addiction aspect of it do you trust the decision making do you trust him even on the tape with

like his processing and where he's going at the first reads not there so that's the question that is facing a lot of NFL teams I don't think he's gonna be a first round pick but I'd be

“surprised if you I think third would be the latest I know some people are saying where he should be”

fourth or fifth round he's not there he's raw I see too much talent for for him not to be for team not to take a chance in the second or third round and how would that process play out too they basically are submitting the pick because we haven't what had a supplemental draft pick in seven years or something yeah I think it's 2019 was the Jalen Thompson right the safety was was drafted maybe in the fifth round there's and and there was a supplemental draft is recently

his 2023 but no one was picked right it's interesting like so here's what I do know for a fact

what happens is you're brought the the draft order is broken into three tiers right and it's teams with six wins or fewer last year go into a lottery that's the first pot and there's a lotter awaited lottery and that will determine the order of those top picks then there's the second tier of teams with seven wins or more that didn't make the playoffs same process and then

“finally the playoff teams same process lottery waited and come up with an order so that's how you”

create the order teams then go in and they submit a bid it's a blind auction of we if he's available when we pick in a second round it pick 48 whatever it is we'll take it so this whole process lasts a matter of like seconds essentially my understanding is like the lea everyone like representative like all log in and and that and then it's it's decided but what it was also interesting like talking yesterday with Albert Brewer he came on our show and he said he got clarity

from the league that or from a source that like the team like the jets of the Browns who have

multiple first round picks they can determine they could tell the league if they were to choose to

use one of those first round picks we want to use if you're the jets we want to use the the cowboys pick you know not our original pick or the Browns could use the Rams pick instead of their pick if they they were so so to choose now I saw chef to say yesterday on macophie that it was it had they had to use their original pick which is what I what I understood originally so I was just texting far jumped on with you with chefter and he said he thought that was the

case but gave me you know so I'm reaching out to the league offices now to get clarity on that like that's it and for his buttoned up and think about the league right like his buttoned up is every single detail it's and I'm not saying the league doesn't have the answer and I'm about to get it you know shortly I do think that Brewer got that answer and I think he's right that you can use any one of your first round picks and it might be a move point because I'm not projecting that someone's

going to use a first round pick but the supplemental draft because of that fact that it just hasn't been much of a fact factor like we we all remember trial prior and then like all the way back to Bernie co's are in Chris Carter like it used to be much more of a thing people are still at this moment with the June 22nd date for source b having to to you know the league having to give him permission to be in the supplemental draft and a late journal I uh supplemental draft there's still

people in the league and and some of the top information people's people around the league are still seeking clarity on on this process yeah prior being a third round pick from the Raiders of the most Raiders thing ever back in 2011 and I do think there are times that I just remember you know doing it more day today and we kind of like lose our minds about any kind of potential supplemental draft pick that's a quarterback because it's just good NFL content and it's going to happen again

on them than I thought that you would because I also realized like he wasn't part of the draft class so

“you and I had never really talked about him yeah at all and you know on top everything else like it's just”

are you going to there's going to be plenty of teams in front officers who like this guy bet nine thousand times and bet overs on opponents like we're just not we're not doing that so I feel like it's going to take up a lot of airtime and it may actually be incredibly insignificant how can you say that though because I texted so I was going to need to leave for a couple of weeks right and it must be nice yeah it was nice it's why I had an haircut in like six weeks and I'm

doing whatever the hell I'm doing you're not afraid you're growing out sometimes I love it yeah but but during that trip I you know checked in and it's official he's going back to school and then I come back and I we weren't in supposed to start until next week um and had to kind of jump in yesterday and and get involved because there's now finality to this lingering issue that's been going on literally since the day after the draft right okay and and so when I hear that so

so when I get back from this trip I'm like now I'm scrambling in texting people because I know my evaluation and and to me that's like that's the the the foundation but also just like the NFL draft I want to reach out to people in the league to make sure that I'm representing what people in the league are saying and everyone I reached out to said that if they had to bet it would essentially

it would be second round that he's that it seems you're going to take a chance in the second round

and that it wouldn't go later than the third now I've read other people say that he's a fourth or fifth and all that but how is it not of some significance that this quarterback that I'm telling you in the league's telling you this guy can be a good starting quarterback in a difference maker in the league there's only 32 of those guys man it's the biggest sport in America how is this not significant I'm not like it doesn't do anything for my ratings or anything like that I'm not being like chill but

this guy could be one of the 32 so I just don't have to ruin my vacation because it actually is pretty significant you know what I mean well I don't know the vacation had to be ruined because of it I should not have said insignificant what I would say is that in a void of like other kind of NFL storylines this is going to be like a daily check in topic which yeah I don't know that it's worth that so yeah I portrays of words but the the value of what this is versus the amount of

“hours that people are going to hear but you know committed to this topic I think there's going to be”

it understood and and if he was one of 10 quarterbacks we were talking about next year certainly wouldn't go under this attention but yeah but because it's the NFL because he's a quarterback because it's the time of year where it's kind of dead period and news like this this this is it man it's that or go go watch get up and talk about the cowboys again like that's kind of your choice which right I remember daily is EQL contract stuff you know like will pickens be franchise yeah we're on

CD lamb now or no pickens it was it that's I actually do yeah I walked through my living room this morning and we get the cowboys back up and roll and here we go it's June whatever the date is you know what though if you're telling me that there's competition it'll be a second that

means somebody will probably throw a first in there if there's that many teams I always surprised

because it's a blind thing you don't think there's one granted the raiders aren't running the same operations they used to be and they just took a quarterback number one over all so we can rule them out but that's a lot of times like the blind bidding thing makes one team go hey let's just

“there's no question and I I think it's important like even Todd Monk in the browns coach when”

he was asked about it a few weeks back it was like yeah that's a slippery slope there's a lot of layers to it I just don't know and then and then like within 72 hours or whatever it was Andrew Barry the GM's like yeah but we're not we're not rolling that out you know so I think general managers are in this position of what if he what if he's a guy you know and the tape says that there's a lot of potential there and we get them in the building a year ahead of time and

and the other part too is the league for everyone I was talking to inside the league it's we're trying to seek clarity right now because there's two things that the fans of the NFL should know about this one is the teams want desperately clarity in what the punishment will be

long suspension do we have an opportunity to get this guy on the field if we so choose and he's ready to you know whether it's a Patrick Mahomes at the end of the season to get some snaps or play the last five games because our our season is tanked and we want to see what we got in this young man before we enter into a draft where there's a bunch of other guys and it

wouldn't be the first time the Arizona Cardinals did it one year to the next where you

go and draft another quarterback in the first round time I was in a Murray so so there's that

“element of it which is which I I think is is very intriguing the other element of it is this”

this is unique to have a quarterback come in the league with this kind of situation and baggage yeah I mean you're you're you're potentially going on a blind date with the girl in town or the boy in town who's like known to have the most baggage right now right and so what you'd like to have is a long extended period like you have with the draft the season ends you've got the senior ball you've got private meetings you've got meetings at the combine you've got your

psychologist and your security team and all these people plus you've had 15 months with scouts going

and talking to the people in the training hall and and figuring and going to the local bars and restaurants like finding out exactly who this human being is now you've got this shortened window at the end of July and there's an exact date set we know June 22nd talking about it within a week is when he will officially it'll be decided that the league will allow him to be in the supplemental draft and then you've got about a month period before the actual draft occurs and I'm told to

that there will be a pro day probably it was a South Lake one of the whatever Texas high school he played at and that also there's going to be a week window where all these teams I just mentioned like from the from the the jets to the browns to the to the dolphins the the falcons the cardinals potentially the Vikings like there's a list of maybe 10 teams that realistically could pull the trigger on this young man they're all going to want them in their building they're all

going to want to have a private work out with them but there's only a one week window to do so

“so not only do you have to try to get that personal one-on-one time with them that you are accustomed to”

with all these quarterbacks but then you've only got this short one-month period to kind of figure out what is this addiction where is he in that you can't tell me with knowledge of of addiction that going to a program for 30 days or whatever one up being that like okay we're good you know nine thousand bets so the whatever the amount of money and the the type of bets and the the the obsessive level of it so there's just a lot to sort through

that there's enough there where if he does fall to the third fourth fifth round it's because of

that it's not the tape evaluation tape evaluation says you know what I'd be willing to take him in the late first they certainly would use a second round pick on a quarterback but there's there may be so much to sort through that it it you proceed with caution and say you know what we'll do it a fourth round pick but I'm not willing to take this chance especially no when you got all those names I just listed off earlier sitting there getting ready for the 2020 seven

draft and we got another year to evaluate them that's Todd McShay the McShay report part of ringer also is McShay show part of ringer and then the McShay report where you can read all of his written word thank you top go go get go get to more important things on your show like you know

“the NBA offseason where where's the way where are the Celtics? John is is that happening?”

I think Milwaukee's very tough to deal with you just hear over and over again how they'll get like close on something and then they kind of pull back and so when there was all this momentum over the weekend that it was definitely happening then there were other teams that I talked to that said that they were still talking about Milwaukee about potential offers so I think the Jalen Brown thing being rerouted in the Milwaukee getting extra picks out of it makes a ton of

sense so I wouldn't rule it I think it's a massive tab that comes with the honest but I think this certainty with the way it was talked about a few days ago I'm not saying it's not going to happen but I don't know that it didn't feel as certain last night when I was talking people on the phone about just the draft and stuff and then Jonas came up so I love I call him Gianna since Gianna's because my brain is still on the on the on the on the post hey man I like to start

for getting starting left tackles this time of year you know it's it's it's it's it's a down period alright brother good talk and thank you season what if you can add an AI assistant to your work

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the apps you know go further with copilot learn more at m365 copilot dot com slash work this is an exciting time of year because we get to talk to a guy we love talking to on this show he heads the coverage of the NLS for Apple TV Taylor 12 men talking some world cup good to see a man you too buddy you love me so much it's what once every four years yeah but it makes me special head show I'm gonna quiet taste pal well it is good to see you because you're an awesome

guest so fine I'll have you on you know what next time is championship it's like every two years that sounds that's better all right every two years we'll lock him in now for 2028 summer all right so I'm watching I'm in do it you know that I'm a convert to this sport is as we've spent times talking about it and so I still don't know what I'm really watching but I'm watching that four-in-result going all right this looks different so give me your perspective that performance

that we saw in the opener against paraguay where is that for us men's national soccer

“it's up there buddy it's really up there and I think in large part because you've got to have”

a confluence of things coming together the occasion the pressure and then the performance and it's rare in the U.S. men's world cup history that all three align I go back to 2002 opening game against Portugal we're all watching probably four or five o'clock in the morning because it's in South Korean Japan but that kind of performance is statement with we're all on Figo and everybody else on the other side and you're sitting here saying hang on a minute

the matter up three no well the game doesn't end that way from the opening whistle to the final whistle the United States made a statement that they can handle the pressure that they're up for this now Ryan for your audience it's important that many of us have said on an individual level

this is the golden generation of players we've never had players playing at these clubs around the

world where individually you could argue that it is the most talented team now collectively they

“haven't had their moment yet now I think Paraguay is there but I actually think another moment's”

going to come because what I saw against Paraguay was we understand the moment we understand the magnitude of the moment and we recognize that we actually can set the standard by which every other performance should be judged I'm not talking about the score line but I've talked about the performance that was as good as it gets when it comes to the man it really was we had Alexi Wallace on last week and I thought he said something really interesting and like the identity of

U.S. soccer now in that he's like you know 30 years ago we were kind of like this grinded out defensive team yes and he's like I don't know if it was him being protective of his era of soccer which certainly wouldn't make him unique of an older athlete and I didn't really take it that way necessarily as a negative but he's like I'm worried about our defense I'm worried about our

goalkeeping we've always had incredible goalkeepers we've always had kind of like we're going to

just try to ugly up the game he's like and now we've pivoted to having these playmakers and who knows what that means but I'll tell you it's a hell of a lot more fun because watching that match and seeing guys just be able to get free to be able to get good attempts on the goal where you're like this looks so different from every other version of this that I've seen in the passes that accurate yes dude yes it is and the other part too is Ryan we we we have to clarify who Paraguay

was and World Cup qualifying they get only gave up six goals in qualifying they beat Brazil so while everyone right away is like yeah it's only Paraguay hang on a minute hang on a minute like let I'm not saying Paraguay was ever going to score four goals to get you that's not who they are

“but they only gave up six goals in South America qualifying so to come out in quite honestly in”

United States could have scored five or six goals on the night easily yes I I've always been a believer of this I'd rather now you're talking to a center forward where Alexie Ols was a center back so you're going to get two perspectives I'd rather try to win a game four three than try to win a game one nil because at least you're going forward at least you're not playing with scared money and scared money doesn't make money as you and I both know and many of people know

what the score line is it what I saw against Paraguay listen Alexie's not wrong there's the first

“World Cup since 1990 we didn't know who our number one goalkeeper was a week before the tournament”

this is a first time since 1990 we don't really have a dominating center back pair and yet we have a collection of players that are completely competent going forward that are completely comfortable going forward so why not play into that now you and I were talking before the Australia game Australia's really good on the counter they're actually even more defensive than Paraguay is so this is going to be a little bit of a difficult test for the United

States particularly Tim Rame and his pace and all that but still try to win the game right go for it and if you got a win for one and if you got a win three two at least you're gonna get more attention from the general public because their substance and style versus just substance give me an MBA comp for Pulitzer good one real good on um Australia okay the way he moves off the ball the way he reads the game the way he uses his body

his quickness with and without the ball equally impressive the ability to create things out of nothing now it's a little disingenuous because we're talking about the MVP of the best league in the world and Christian Policic is not a top 40 player in the world however he's really good

“but Ryan I know where you're going with this and I think your audience will appreciate this the United”

States does not have a superstar but they have four players that if they play together very high at the same time it's almost more important Chris Richards, Tyler Adams, Western McKenney, Christian Policic, those four collectively are a superstar and they're actually more beneficial to the United States than just having a 45 minutes that we got against Paraguay with Christian Policic you need all four they got all four and if they do then I think it's realistic to say this

team could win one or two knockout stage knockout round games where is the development of young players today in comparison to when you were coming up it's exponentially different it's actually impossible to even compare because it's better yeah it's better the resources are better so

“if I showed you my WhatsApp for the last I would say 18 months to two years since Messi's been an”

MLS in the amount of scouts that are watching Major League Soccer asking questions about the 17 to 24-year-old kids this kid goes to from real Salt Lake he's only been playing for four months

on the first team and he's going to go for 10 to 12 million to somewhere in the Premier League

Alex Freeman and Tony O'Freyman's son who now starts in the World Cup two years ago Orlando City were like we don't know who he's going to be they kind of gained my chance said let's go up they sell up in a via real there's hundreds of players I like right of like that Ryan so it's just the United States MLS is still just getting their toes in the water of understanding what they have but 32 years ago when the World Cup came in 94 the legacy was the beginning of

MLS right now on this team 21 of 26 players 21 of 26 played in MLS or were developed in MLS it's growing like weed and right now the world's got everyone's intention on the young players in the United States of America it's just a reality does anything piss you off more than when they say what if NFL and NBA players play oh my shot it drives me nuts all right give me is it give me the explanation of why you who've played so it's going to be hard for me to argue with you here

ah no no no I it's so bad why it's such it well why does it drive you so nuts because clearly something you think that is incredibly stupid when people say it every time the World Cup comes around the best player of all times 5-8-160 what is athletics have anything what are you talking about what are you talking about so you tell me right now Chris Paul was tall yeah exactly like so Chris Paul dedicated to his whole life to soccer right here this one Barry Sanders dedicated to

his whole life I love the LeBron James claim to be like what position is LeBron going to play at 6-9-2-60 okay first

performance but like we're almost saying like killing and bump-based not an athlete has anyone watched him he can run a hundred meters basically at 11 seconds what are we talking about athletics it's way more

not playing for Argentina and yet what is it so so that one bothers me the other one actually

my father me more is the population and it's correlation to being good news flash never wins

Croatia what I mean combine people on those two countries Cape Verde right so if population really mattered trying to in India be dominating everything they can't even qualify for the World Cup so it's just there's an ignorance there Ryan to that I'm not saying I'm not and I'm not an idiot you know me I love all sports I'm not saying that there's not a point guard or a wide receiver in the history the NBA or the NFL there couldn't have been a fantastic soccer player but if you think

that directly just saying that athlete goes to this the widest Lena Messi of 921 goals in his career

in 818 assists in his career and he wouldn't play any other sport in the United States

of America as he's too small I am completely with you I'm completely with you on the the height thing you know because I used to think like well why wouldn't it make more sense especially like you're in your box you're fighting over these corners why if you don't want Russell Westbrook in there like if Westbrook does a great idea right and I'm not talking about Westbrook going like where's my jersey the clear developmental path of like I love soccer it's my number one thing

“I guess it's just when I think of of just the way sports work if for soccer for generations was like”

the fourth or fifth options for so many athletes especially when I was coming up and playing all sorts of

different sports if you just eliminated football American football being a priority basketball so international now you can argue that it's real competition for young athletes throughout the world but you know forget the height thing you win but you know of the Angela Ponds the corner for Indiana I know exactly who's not who's just a beast just battling out there five nine with all these freaks and why receiver yes I don't know how you could argue that if all of

those guys prioritize soccer the way other countries do that we wouldn't be better position internationally we be better positioned athletically I'm not sure where we are tactically I'm not I don't understand that like like when I look when I watch France place Senegal and I think a lot of your listeners won't know this so it's important to so just follow me on this the Senegalese National Team that be terianry in France in 2002 17 of those 23 players were educated tactically

in France so the athletic part of it sure I'm not going to sit here and say that it wouldn't help the United States of America if Barry Sanders was your right back I'm not going to say no chance

“absolutely it would have absolutely I mean how that's what I'm saying so you're talking about”

the teaching so if I gave you the pool of all of these athletes giving your sport top priority that the training still would have been so far inferior to these other countries inferior no but I don't know based on American football where 90% of that sport is what strength athleticism okay my sports the Spanish national team that is arguably the greatest national team run of all time javie in yesterday five eight one forty one fifty two of the best midfielder

is that they're generation they'd be accountants in the United States of America if they if they were here because they would have been told they're too small all I'm saying is there's so much nuance to my sport that I find it very ignorant of the American public to just assume Adrian Peterson is wearing nine for the United States National Team we win the world cup it's like I don't know if that's true I don't you have it yeah look you've converted me on

that part of it me thinking like well how why wouldn't that be a good thing like if if we had some taught like look at early yesterday you're like so tall guys don't work or is it just that he's a freak yeah and that just penciling in everyone at like six four to both is doing like hey all the basketball players are playing soccer now they're going to win the world cup um that part

“of it now I I'm more on your side I guess I just I think it's a numbers thing where if we have all these”

other sports here yes that's the argument I also have kind of filmed at the mouth of like Allen Iverson playing left wing you know what do you mean like what if Allen Iverson did that from age eight

in this sport too long to be exposed to greatness in Leonardo Messi has completely wired me

“differently Ryan I am so un-American now watching him for the last two and a half years for”

inner Miami he is defying everything he's better than he was four years ago how was that possible that first goal yesterday that passed to lead him I that is just and I'm so glad that I watched it because I was like hey Messi's on this is a fixed time it's like you're not going to get the chance again like throw it on and it was so much fun to just see his brilliance you know the thing

that always stands out to me is that it's it's like that basketball player here like there's three

guys on him how did he get that shot off I'm constantly amazed to see him control double and triple teams I know you guys don't necessarily turn it that way but no it's out of the crowd that is around him the attention and how he gets clear of it how he can get a shot off out of it where so many other guys are just they can't get it they can't get a clean look they can't get it like they're dicking around with the ball they kick it out to somebody else like uneducated guys like me

or like how come you're such you can get it right guys around every time every time and he finds a way to get an angle it's you and I are roughly the same age it's very similar to watching Michael Jordan I'm telling him it's eerily similar when you watch Jordan when how is he better I'm not disagreeing how is it possible that he's better than four years ago um it's really it's a mental health thing all the project when he won in 22 it was as if all the pressure in the world now he's playing with

house money it doesn't even care I mean you know what I'm saying he cares but he's already cemented his legacy so everything now doesn't matter I don't find it ironic at all he wins the world cup he goes to MLS for the first time in his professional career he leads World Cup qualifying and

goal score he's never done that before when he was at Barcelona and he was at eight-time

ballandore winner he then goes after MLS for two and a half years they qualify for the World Cup he's now in his first game in a World Cup and he scores his hat trick for the first time ever I mean you watch the game last night it's he he tilts the field more than any player in it's very difficult it's easy to tilt the court and basketball there's only ten guys in the court and one guy can tilt that court very quickly in his favor in his team's favor it's very odd to see

it in my sport very odd and it is remarkable to me wherever he is on the field there's this force field around him where the field in the game bends to where he is right it was crazy the other part is the second goal 90 down out of a hundred times up all is safe by the gold keeper and

“there's no rebound any player and yet he's there it's crazy that's what he does”

yeah look I mean he could have had a fourth but he was he should have sized on the first one he should have hit a red card by the way he could have easily had a red card but that referee was not giving messy a red I don't have any off-sides thoughts because I don't want to embarrass myself here like this I just feel free is there any way that you could have it be like with him no instead of it being like letter of law like this person's off-sides like

a gray area of being like even plus you know what I'm saying like the width of a body you know almost like the length of a horse is there a way to make the game I hate doing this to you because now I'm fixing things which is like my least favorite content but it just feels like there's no time but go ahead you know what I'm saying so just finish right right it's a great question first off it is not a super question it's such a good question that arson vanger has brought

this up the fantastic French manager for arson was brought this up here to yeah you have no

rule I'm talking which is amazing I will say this so back in the day 70s 80s they had a 35

“yard line like the blue line in hockey no chance that's gonna work in quite honestly it's stupid”

because there's nuance to off side no sport but I agree with you on this and the problem with off-side and v-a-r and I've said this it's like circumcised in a mosquito right now it just is right when you get down to the finite and it's like his toenail is off side we we got to stop this no and arson vanger has mentioned is it a shoulder is it a length of a foot is it is there some grace period so it breeds attacking soccer what I love about the world cup and every league's going

primary league will spend five minutes over a video which by the way if you don't know the answer

in less than 30 seconds the answer's not clear and obvious so let the place stand but you're

“onto something and Ryan I think the future the game it will lead itself to there's going to be a”

little bit of a grace window period because you really can't dissect that to millimeters otherwise you're going to be really doing an injustice to the game it's a great question well I see some similarities with v-a-r with the out of bounds replay stuff we're forever for decades it's like hey I have the ball it's in my hands you swipe at it and it's not a foul and that's my ball it's been my ball on that play for sixty seventy years and then with replay we've decided like no it actually rolled

off your fingernail as I swipe the ball out so now it's our ball and you go I I know what you think I don't want that to happen I don't want that to be what that is and I think a lot of us the tune in and we start seeing the outside stuff is like god I understand what the rule is but that seems to be it's it's sometimes even like it survives the ground and you're like oh my god yeah like how was that hey that's been a catch forever I guess not a catch now

right all right let's crank up the education value of this soccer conversation I don't know what's bringing in so Rudy's just right now it's kind of old Ryan it's kind of both like on and off it's like I'm kind of third sit over here now I'm actually going to lay out I'm going to I'm just going to let my not do that no don't do that because at 12 and Ryan I were talking for you know I was to feed them some questions and things like that but he genuinely

like he'll watch he under he he wants to learn about the game the question right it's really it's really it's real it's not that fake stuff that I get from other media members it's real which I love because I was I was going to ask like you know just the thing that like every four years like you get hit up about like oh American guy wants to fix the sport

and it's always it's always the hey these players get they play it or whatever now it's the

the the water breaks which the hydration breaks I should say which are dumb but like are they are they like we're a little bit overselling how dumb they are like it doesn't really take anything away from my viewing experience it's like it's 90 seconds of commercials I don't really care I think field people feel like America is like bastardizing this beautiful game well then what blame in America for it's already out did you brought this up but this started in 2022 world come

now here's my issue the hydration break was based on players over 85 degrees in the humidity

“over 80 percent sure absolutely you should absolutely should we've had players die on the field”

with heart and everything christianerics and muros whatever sure take care of them absolutely but they're playing in Dallas and it's 72 degrees in an air condition building they're playing it's so fine so so like that's where I'm like hang on a minute it's not for that just come on say it's for capitalism right just be honest that's fine now I will and I've said this so it's not like you shouldn't leave the field though for commercials so when two of the games that they've left

the broadcasters have left subs have happened or a tactical decision has happened no wait it's 90 seconds and in my sport our sports are Rudy Ryan this is part of the game that you would love if you saw more of it is when they're getting the hydration many of coaches have computers have lightboards out there's tactical changes there's real live content being presented in instead of being sold in the middle of a church no problem a lot of good old but you know what I'm

“saying like that 90 seconds I don't know if you need to leave the the field but there is a lot”

is being made out of something that started four years ago yeah I agree it is not ruining my world cup experience if I think there's people out there that are like this is like completely derailing on the entire thing which is not true I want to ask you because I think I think you're the perfect I ask is there's kind of all and I tried to explain to Ryan a little bit there's kind of this tug-of-war between the MLS people and the plane you're people right and I don't

subscribe to either of those things I think we could all live harmoniously like everyone can MLS could eat people can go to Europe and have success like it's fine the rest of the world does right yeah so what what were your first impressions when poch took the job because I think there were a lot of people it was like this inner like in US soccer in the fandom there were people fighting of like hey like he's an outsider he's a no he's never managed internationally before

sure he managed Chelsea and PSG but do you know about the US soccer culture and there was another group that was like hey we just need a guy who's managed high level skilled players and again it's

always somewhere in the middle but where were you on the poch high when it first happened and then like

as this whole process sort of unfolded where are you now yeah great question first of foremost I was in the third pot we needed someone unattached to US soccer and MLS to take over and I said that in

22 World Cup I get it great we're alter got y'all the group all that I've always been a believer

the international manager especially for the US men even if you go to the quarter finals there's some of you finals I really mean this change it up got to have a different message I wanted someone of poch atina was caliber that was completely unattached to anyone to come in and take this generation eventually they got there so that's where I was in the camp now I've been very critical of poch atina I thought the last international break in March before the World Cup he completely

wasted and yet I think I was wrong I think he needed to flip it to change it to see what he had he's never managed at the international level but he's been able to manage high profile players now he didn't win championship it's like but he had name arm messy and a buffet on the same team so everything I'll point out getting getting taught them to a championship final should be worth the trophy that's that's insane one hundred versus point out winning champions like not getting

to the final with him ball pay messy and name arm fair so he's at zero he's still at zero I look at poch atina be in fresh he's got a he's got what gravitas has we like to say in the media and I think you walked into that room and he got everyone's attention very quickly I think deep down

“he's a club manager that's what he wants to do I think deep down he'd love to go back to”

Tottenham if they invited him and wanted him but right now he's enjoying the hunger and thirst for the United States to reach their potential to find the next level he knows we need that he knows everyone in this country wants he knows MLS is dying to get further along but it threw a lot of people upside down when he saw MLS and said hang on a minute this level isn't as bad is what everyone's telling me in Europe this is off and Ryan just brought up something very interesting

the past to mess him in first goal Rodrigo the Paul for inner Miami made that past and

everybody told Rodrigo the Paul you will be worse off going MLS they just won three nil in the opening game of the world cup with two players currently in MLS and a player that was in MLS four years it's just part of growth I'm not saying MLS is a top five league of the world I'm not telling you that but it also can't be the 20th league of the world when the proofs in the pudding did this conversation in US soccer about MLS versus Europe in eating their own syruity it's driving

the insane I hit two six the Italians won the world cup every player was playing in Syria in Syria that year was the fifth best league of the world how that work out for everyone just stop it's each individual it is not black and white I agree with you and this is a perfect segue into that because there happens some rumors pull a 627 and the last year of his contract at AC Milan yes there have been some rumors about him in MLS like well the rumors are real

it's been there for about a year I'm what do you think yes it's been there for around listen crit Christians gonna make what I love about Christian is Christian has his own picture he hasn't told anyone publicly about what his legacy and contract and where he wants to play he will be an MLS at

“some point absolutely do I think it comes after this world cup I don't know if they go to the”

semi final who's to tell me that Manchester United doesn't pay 80 million for I don't know any of

that right his his fair market value right now's probably 45 million pounds 40 euros whatever the number is and so it will get interesting but make no mistake about it those rumors in MLS sniffing around Policic and acquiring the way that he wants to come back that's been going on for about 12 months I I fed Ryan the question about okay if you can make the pool of sick competition MBA guy who would it be and I think I think your SGA thing is interesting but my

thought on that was more of like what is his level right what level of player because SGA I think is just to if we're out of you would agree with this is just he's he's too high of a level boy MVP of the NBA so like I think a body mechanics maneurisms the way he moves off of picks

“and all that it's kind of like Christian right so that that is honestly a terrible comp”

because right away people go the NBA the MVP and I'm like yeah if you're talking about a movement thing I completely understood because after watching that first match in him in the first half it's like he's towing with these guys he was so good Ryan off the ball he was unplayable he wasn't even he wasn't even on the same field as the other 21 players it was the best off the ball game

else around him he's got a full them Premier League left back next to him in Anthony Robinson

who understood where but Christian was brilliant that was my comp so rooting tell me your

“level comp I wrote down a couple and I think if you want to go real high end and again this is”

just like where they I think sit in the like overall like if you're ranking on the NBA players drop like this is where I think he'd sit Devon Booker to me is is probably a little high but like really really really good player probably not like can make an all NBA team posted I mean post a drag Chelsea to a champions league spot in covid he'll know best player Italy for a

long stress like he could he's never going to be in the top seven to nine players right in the

right so I guess yeah but Ryan does love Devon Booker so I guess you would love pool it's like there you go it's all right now Ryan well Chris not going in the top 10 no he's not no yeah yeah he's going to love it the other guy wrote down it was Austin Reeves

“not just the white guy white guy comp thing but like I think he's somewhere between Devon Booker and”

Austin Reeves where you're like like again there's way more players in soccer than they're on the NBA so you kind of have to like do the math there or whatever but I've played golf for the Austin Reeves two or three times now great guy awesome guy um basketball level Christian in the soccer football world dot better player than Austin is in comparable to the NBA but I don't mind the comp because I think everyone would be realistic if you listed the top 40 players in the world right now

Christians sniffing around 37 to 40 maybe and probably not and that doesn't mean he's a terrible player so people listen as they're going to lose their minds Devon Booker to me I like the comp of in between those two I really do now for the for the U.S. team to win as I said earlier so Rudy it's it's they need four they need four guys to dominate their position I will throw balligan about to test him again what do you say I would throw balligan in there too

“I think we if he's home in balligan they are on a great game but balligan will not score two goals”

if West McKinney and Tyler Adams don't run the midfield way they did so fair and that you're talking to guy that played the position you thrive when they do great if balligan is as good as he was the other night that means all four of those guys were brilliant and you're talking about a quarter final birth you really are with this team if those four players play well at the same time Sarah wall stop by my house she was doing some functions so she was talking up she played

Kyle soccer she's the best as as we know and she was explaining the rainup or halter saga to be awesome I think they should promote that storyline for non soccer fans to get more people interested in the world cup I you can't say you can't say you agree I'm just telling you once it was explained to me I was like that's the kind of thing that somebody's mom starts watching games because they're like what happened Ryan after Qatar that's all people called me on I did probably six

months of media hits about that and it just is like first off it's completely unfair to some of

the party you know the bro the burhalter kids yeah this is burhalter we don't need they don't what what what are we doing this for and so you go down the path I do know what you're talking about them and you raise a question of TMZ in my sport can TMZ become a little bit more it isn't Europe it's massive it's somebody who had to do it all the time like there's part of the dramatic attachment that is beyond the results of just playing the game that other people

start to go like what the hell happened and then then you're a little bit more interested because you have this absurd backstory which I didn't even I don't know I lost I wasn't paying attention I didn't even know it she's explaining it to me and I went oh my god I'm like how does geoscores and pochotino right 75 yards to celebrate with him 75 years foot oh what a goal too think that story was six months of like here's my rebuttal to that Ryan I mean are we talking

about orange slices and my sport again like you know to be like it's like coaches coaches parents arguing with the coach my son should be playing he should and then you do the backstory

and now they're teammates and you're right it's unfair to those guys so I'm not actually saying

“like I wish it were part of the no but credit is a bastion burhalter and geol”

'cause I'll tell you first hand there's been no animosity there well that's good which is we

know but that's I'm not telling I'm not speaking for those two Tonya oh yeah if they were to close room with no but the way they've both carried themselves you got a fan for life for me because you've made it professional and you were thrown into a Sebastian has nothing to do with this and he's asked for the first year that he's on the natural team well what about your dad and geol and you're like dude I just want I'm trying to win my career I just those two have handled

themselves in a very positive like but it is a wild story next level wild why as I'm sure Sarah told you the full story and there we go let me let me end on this if Australia drops back into a

four four two early how challenging is that gonna be is ballistic plan or no I don't know I mean you

know better than I would no it's a good quick but you're in early four four two just man it bumps me out oh it's actually and I'll tell you good on you for doing your homework it's a five four one with them they will they will drop in at least seven in the best part is I just gave you three numbers you have no idea what that stands for that's the best part the Rudy I said five four one and right now is like oh yeah you don't give him more credit for four four two is I can't figure

out what a five four one you don't I don't like Taylor you know there's like this weird beef now too but between they have you followed us at all like the Aussies and us now like there's

very kind of like it's a root they created that on their own there's not I can I love the media I'm

in the me I haven't heard a single one of my brethren say it was Mike Roya that Harry Kiel

“is saying oh our golden generation to get says nobody even said that it was Mike Roya on I think”

that one of the CBS show I like Mike oh that was grow yeah but that's not but like let's not pretend he's all of you at he doesn't represent all of us and they're putting that bulletin book board material up there being like the ever since point to Ryan's point it's a difficult test because the difference between Paraguay and Australia is they've got a guy up front that can flat out run he can flat out run so Tim Riem are captain if he starts he's already a liability in

that moment he'll blow right by so when you play against a low block when you play against the team you've got to play with the real purpose and try to make the game chaotic while also having control again I know that's an oxymoron but if you play fast and quick I'll show you can't get into the low block if Policic plays it's a huge upside if he doesn't then someone like Toman

“that's going to be a huge factor I think Ricardo Pepi could be an also factor because you can then”

flip it play two center forwards play balligan and all that knowing that you got five defenders the U.S. are well-quipped to deal with it but it becomes a difficult task if the Aussie start burning Paul throw books in the tailgate then we know we have some issues all right you guys are the best enjoy well I'm going to see seruties like every single day but it's great to see Taylor again yeah I'll see you in 2030 sounds good sounds good call my manager

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so here he goes update all right we already got that I think kettlebells in there we're good

have it updated on the emergent communist quandary caps we did not ghost him for dinner but we did have to ditch him for after dinner drinks and barbecue the next morning sidebar we went to resprose and it was life-changing the dinner went mostly well with the communist could not stop interrogating another buddy over his local business ventures and key detail that I left out the communist is a male nurse I love nurses I know what you're trying to do I'm not gonna let them don't

we all Greg are in that's two strikes against him probably the grace that's detail questions on entrepreneurship as this nascent struggle session dragged on I knew I had to act I went to the bathroom started a separate group chat and laid out my plan at the end of dinner I would feigned that I was too

tired to go out after dinner and told my non-communist friends which borrowed me that later the next

morning we met at the barbecue spot before it opened at eleven aiming to finish lunch by noon my communist friend texted me in the group chat multiple times that morning but I gave the excuse that I slept in I then hung out with him solo from around one thirty to four thirty we were engaged in some political debates before the game to say I walked him down like Brunson did to my poor spurs and crunch time as an understatement like Ryan I'm an ardent anti-communist but will spare y'all

my full thoughts this plan went off without a hitch my communist friend is none the riser and I doubt he listens because he stated to me that both podcasts and video games are capitalist trek skies no he did it somehow this is not a plot of movies he's ten out of ten excited for the new Nolan Odyssey movie better yet I have no guilt communist our liars and liars should expect to be lied to wow I'm expecting some communist to reach out it was a bit devious of me to manage the

“situation this way but at work no regrets let me know if you feel differently I think he's talking about”

it begrudging away but I think he likes hatching these plans and all that stuff it's kind of an exciting thing there's also kind of nothing better than like when you're when you're arguing with someone who just doesn't it's just dumb and you just know that they have no arguments and that like you're just gonna murder them and whatever debate you're gonna have there is some enjoyment in that so I feel like he's like kind of reveling in the like okay I could you know it would be really funny if you

just start it on comrade and just like really like really rolled into it and we're just like all right fine this we're gonna do this thing but I actually think yeah you handle this pretty well not bad I'll say this though my communist friend he's one of the smartest of the group so there's actually that would say there's a lot of guys that are pretty well read what is he smart about I'm going like way like what are you just well read like he just gonna have to constantly on this lot of facts I know who the dumb guys are

my real part of the smart one so okay no and that's a good point yeah so he's totally so well rounded smart guy because usually like yeah the communist guy he knows everything about like all the good things that communism could bring and that's like hey yeah we're here if like you know

“Stalin went in not great I don't know awesome I think there was once a presentation that like no one”

should make over this amount of money and it was a very low number really a lot of guys just like what are you out of your mind because no one needs more than this it could buy all the right and then you need for that right but then that's kind of like the point so what do you want the the owners to make even more I kind of understand that it's like when people get mad about an MBA contract but like this is ridiculous something needs to be done and be like what what needs

to be done the crockies need more money they're killing it they're killing it yeah it's tough for our they're just on a heater yeah somebody was invited to the crockies sweep for the world cup but we're not gonna share that story I heard the story but yeah so we're here at the story it was like we can't even tell it can you even tell it all right it's getting to this and that you know we can't tell it and has nothing to do with like anyone getting it no the no one has

done anything wrong there's just there'd be feelings that we have to leave count for yeah yeah I've already said too much I got I want to tell that story I'm sorry sorry I'm sorry you're not gonna tell me later just fucking move on because this I'm just gonna leave this sucks yeah this doesn't have the audience there's like cool it's like it's like the epitome either like hey did we still look over the world cup because it's 25 minutes from his house but like you got 30 minutes

“let me tell you how okay here's the thing it's another game next Thursday next Thursday it's so”

far next Thursday it's so far who's playing the best Turkey yeah oh it sounds like you really

want to go yeah it could be a big one I've always hated Turkey sorry I'm I's tongue and cheek

I rock I rock I rock Iran like come on I don't know yeah and the 90s you said I rack I

“went to somebody if you say that I think what to summer camp with a kid from guitar he was like”

the star of the show it's like a white blonde kid but from guitar and it was just like dude we're just like nobody save some of the rest of us dude yeah seriously who were like where is it we were to reserve was a real place back to like an actor from Liverpool trying out for the Avengers every other guy just goes fuck not here make America great again that's not even what I'm talking about just we can we have our roles back once you guys have had some super arrows

all right that is addicted only fans 26 6 3 but I tell people 5 11 no you don't 195 bench 245 squat 3 15 2 times thank you keep us posted on that even

I probably never can become friends but love to hear about your journey I'll make this really quick

after college I moved back to my parents house wasn't really the plan but here I am hey man did the same thing and I didn't wake up any day thinking hey this is the plan many evenings involved my dad mom and myself on television and living room God there should be a documentary on people that have to like move home especially if you're like a guy that was in the wild for almost 10 years and then it's just like I remember just like being back in that orbit

and then being on the couch my parents watching TV and then my mother would yell at my father I be like do you do this every night is this what you guys do and my father just looked at me with

those most defeated look in his face ever he's always like yeah it's kind of what we do

as actually you just make a comment and then everyone my sisters and my mom just yell at you the whole time he's like yeah pretty much it's a very single solo here yeah yeah can't wait to get married can't wait to do these exact same thing all right so in the past year especially the last three to six months my dad's getting quite there might be some editing on the fly here as I'm trying to read this he's getting conspicuous looking into his phone screen angled aggressively away

from the rest of the room he took a picture of his dad on his phone which by the way plugged in while he's looking at only fans and it is a hard angle away from the rest of the viewing party it is over only fans with your family in the family room on the couch is a is that's a choice with dad yeah like old dad not give it a fuck type like feelings yeah that's it it's quite a combo okay I'll also add the phone being plugged in is incredible and he has a blanket over him

yeah so well FDR style like one that's meant to go or lap only wow Kyle was that good that was so good I would say this is not an FDR thing okay it's not

“meant for that I think he just is cozy okay anyway be a little too cozy yeah all right so the screen”

is angled aggressively away from the rest of the room for hours it's really obvious what he's looking at sometimes the sound is on louder than he expects sometimes he'll show you something on his phone and his browser suggesting he open only fans my parents are older but again the 30 plus years I'm not sure how much my mom is aware of it or how much she just ignores it he's not the most depth at using social media and can frequently be caught following rather social Instagram accounts

are accidentally liking things which he's completely unaware of I feel like I should say something to him because I find it a bit disturbing I'm afraid what might happen if he gets caught could it blow up their marriage there have been plenty of instances of people their age finding elicit text messages on their partner's phones leading to great torment should I confront him should I tell her should I pull an option three and off myself instead love the pod miss marathon man

Mike Oregon we do too I got a quick one that I just popped into my head father's day is Sunday anyone's forgetting take it my dad to see Daniel Tosh one of his favorite guys

but me's we want a full report on that go to forchester never been I'll report back but here's

“here's the way sold out I think it was just closer so good pt I don't want to be too so”

he can just drink this are you nice her to relax out all neighborhood well I'm it's just a vessel I'm going to a shout out to U.S.GA hook and stuff I got tickets to you so yeah you do oh well that's you're not going to bridge port well I am going to be leaving from bridge port okay I am going to bridge

great okay first off I probably bend the bridge port more than you guys have to I've never

brought the super sport all the time it's fine I'm going to hang out there for long time I made a great stat I'm gonna eat us I'm gonna guy from bridge port who moved to upstate and he talked about like it was fulusia is there like is there just a pocket but I mean maybe this guy just wanted to be like it doesn't sound tough so he just had to overcome and say but he was like people vacation people from bridge port vacation in waterberry that's it that's yeah there wasn't there's

“a family guy skate about bridge port too I believe right I'm pretty sure there is so now it's not”

great but yeah taking the ferry but they got a great cause of any there so don't not bridge port all right anyway okay father's day father's day gift side gift maybe get him the get him golf balls or whatever you get him anyway hand him a privacy screen and that's off that's off to the side this isn't in front of the family you hand him the privacy screen you're just like if there's anything you want to say in that moment maybe you're definitely not going to get him to change his ways but you can

like here I'm just pat down on the back I'm going to help you out here just so you know I know or what you know maybe keep it short sweet maybe don't ruin father's day but definitely a privacy screen sounds like would would go miles in this if you're worried about like what's the fallout if he's caught maybe you can give him a quick little like crash course and deleting browser history I don't know like you do you want to help him out you're not going to change him

he's old he's been married for 35 years and this is maybe what's get him through I don't but

“I think I think a little winking a nod to the side would maybe maybe do something here I just”

popped him I would avoid this like the plague I think the screen the screen's protector thing and maybe a pair of headphones does make sense but I would just like to play if there's no there's no way I mean I'm in my toe and any of this I don't want anything to do it's definitely like why are you hanging out like first off if you live at home too why are you hanging out in the living room

like go to your room get a TV I would never get out of there I there's no way I would be hanging

out in this living room well especially while this stuff is going on too like I'm just I'm somewhere else uh that's a fair point these are moments you can't get back to you though I'm good I think what's happening here is it's a window into everybody's relationship with their father you know I haven't even gone yet so Kyle's like salt to the earth like that if you're going to watch porn in the living room with everyone here's some earbuds and a privacy screen happy father's day I love you also you look

guilty as fuck at that chair do come on you gotta work on your stance I think you're dead deserves and I think the situation demands uh heads up and offering of like I don't think you say anything I don't know the relationship but you close your mom and close your dad that kind of thing so I don't know that's a case by case basis but I I think generally like this is early if you're 26 they've been married 30 years so he's in his 50s I mean

this is like this is 70 plus behavior man there's a lot of life left I mean we gotta get a hold of this yeah so I think it heads up to him to be like hey I'm going to talk to you about the phone in the living room saying and then when you hand it to us like I know you're on only

“fans I'm not judging I'm not saying you should do it maybe but my number five is a little bit”

mom never finds out this isn't free holy shit yeah yeah didn't our guy band we didn't have a story

about this we're like somebody it was like just somebody yelled out once hey it stops now because they didn't know who was buying so yeah yeah he's the cable box just getting yeah they were wearing movies it stops now what a speech that's great I mean it's maybe you just say this and see yeah of of a father at times because I'd scare the shit out you just like hey it stops now to I don't think you can do that as the sun especially 20 you're dad you just not you don't have

enough reps in I think you'd be doing him a huge favor and and slightly you know derailing the momentum of where this could go by saying hey we get we get talk about something and I know you don't want to do that I know you don't want to talk to him about it but I think it might be more like a guy code thing of like exactly here that's the end of it not to change my mind you changed my mind I think it's fair to be like be super

vague about it and just say hey I know what's going on you got to clean it up don't even make them say anything about it don't don't don't friends that just hey you got to clean it up we hear it sometimes we see it blanket thing clean it up and I think I think that's all you

of you listening are too young and some of you are through that age you know exactly what I'm

“talking about but it's got a sock for parents when their child is right you know and if you're”

in your 20s trying to fight back in your right they're probably still going to tell you you're wrong or depending how argumentative your parents may or may not be you've got to like fight through like whatever it was looking you know you're not even paying any rent or something like that like hey you're watching porn in a living room next to your wife and we all know weirdo like put your fucking phone away dad and then there's that shift of like when you know you're right

as the child and maybe you're old enough and the parent is old enough to understand that you're right so 26 kind of that's then that dangerous zone of he just made despise the idea that even

has to listen to you all right let's do one one more quick one here all right neighbors dad hitting

on my wife 29 years old five eleven one sixty working to get to one seventy love here in that max bench two fifty yes I threw in the two and a half stick it there not I threw I bought one and a half string code used to uh use you used to weigh 150 pounds until Ryan said you can't be weak oh wait you can be weaker you can be strong why would you choose to be weak honestly I don't know that I'll ever do anything better than that so thanks to the motivation

player comp apex Michael Jordan just kidding probably are you guys ready to email mine about two years ago uh oh was my wife and I decided between staying Hawaii or moving to the mainland where our families live with our little kids uh it was good to stay in Hawaii but my wife is more motivated move back Kyle's one line or maybe come to grips with it when he said quote it's not will they

“won't they it's when they end quote Kyle I don't remember that at all I do vaguely remember this yeah”

uh we live somewhere else now I miss Hawaii but it's awesome here too all right he's losing a good spot I humbly return to the council facing a new challenge we live in a complex of the

great part for the kids it's basically our front yard it's the only daily gathering place for the

kids and parents as I'm at work my wife is there a couple of times a day with the kids before we moved in met this couple in there mid 50s slightly older kids in hours when we toured the complex they were super welcoming and told us how wonderful the place was they weren't wrong fast forward a year in this dad spends quite a bit of time in the park with his kid while my wife is there all the parents usually sit together and talk in the late afternoon but mid day sometimes it's just my wife in this guy

if he's there first and she arrives she'll sit on her own and he'll relocate to come sit near her and carry out a conversation for an hour or more until my wife leaves she's tried to cut a conversation keep it brief take phone calls walk around the break of the time at this point you're probably thinking he's just a nice chatty guy fair until my wife told me this exchange when she arrived there yesterday as he approached her he said quote everything okay

you don't look it you don't look like you're bright smiley self today she was she assured him she was fine and continued on he pressed a little during the time of the park to see if anything was wrong that's when I feel like it crossed some sort of social interaction line my wife is very beautiful and this guy's average at best in 20 years older I get it's fun to talk to the cute younger mom but there's a line of duration and depth of

“conversation you should stay clear of my wife isn't going to stop going to the park and either”

is this guy there's zero worries of my wife allowing this progress it's more just navigating the interaction moving forward is generally nice and well-life of the community a present dad at the park when I'm home what's the move and then he sent us a family photo great great looking kids good group here this um Mary guys this group me up because it's at neighbor's dad hitting on my wife this guy is an old enough to be in the harmless category it sounds like I was like if we're talking to 70

something you're like crazy old man whatever like you know the days are behind him he's just putting up shots he knows they're not gonna land but this guy's not old enough to be in that safety zone so I don't know I'll see what Steve has to say but I would introduce him to the see other guy yeah exactly I've I've told this story before but my my wife deals which he works in real estate does a lot of different things with investors yada yada and you know

there's there have been some weird texts exchanged uh from just like odd guys what's just like a weird selfie to them you're like man you're way too old at the moment real self he's especially someone who's married I thought it was hilarious just because like I'm not threatened by it at all and it's funny and it's like sort of harmless and she thought it was kind of funny too but this guy definitely like asking you like what's up and like you know if you you know what's wrong probably self like

what did you you're plotting in a weird way so my husband's too young I realized it you know

park tutor in these interactions like can you kind of help him at the park can you guys like maybe

“get a little pda at the park I don't know like do something a little bit to throw him off the set”

one one powerful display and you think that's it or made a session and you look at him what's up

like it's really I don't think it's a terrible idea so but this guy who knows next time it's just that he's like you're too really going out at the other day things are good huh you know you're just interested in a third yeah not if we're good well I just ordered this shirt online

“do you notice uh yeah I mean it it's annoying it's annoying but like yeah it's gonna have to like”

to derail this it's probably gonna have to have some moment that's uncomfortable and you can choose

from a palette of whatever any of those are she probably doesn't want to do it because then it feels like yeah then he's going around be like man she's up tight like totally across the line like I was just asking her how she was doing but it just sucks too yeah it's probably wasn't over enough it wasn't over enough to like he could totally be like I don't know what the big deal is yeah you also like for those things I've learned about guys is they get a little bit older and I would

say around my age you know some that are married something or I can like tell who in my friend group who when they go home no one listens to them so then that's that right like the children don't want to listen to them wife doesn't want to listen to them and so then it's like open mic

when we run into the guys that fall into this category because they're just like oh finally not it's

your wife's not really giving them the time of day so I don't know hopefully that I don't know hey no open mic guys loves that yeah we're at five you know it's unlimited goes long as you want great no feedback okay I don't know if I should say this but going to

“I don't know that's too that's why yeah yeah I think the guy is looking”

in his wife there you go oh yeah well that oh there you go carry that into the park good for you confidence boost for you not a negative not a negative but like you know now really is it just talking about you the way she you're talking about her this is a good looking guy we'll close there hell yeah all right thanks Kyle thanks Steve he's probably going to think that's an insult sorry Lisa and I hit an honor that'll do it for the show today

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