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The Rhymer Solo Show is presented by Graff King. We have a really fun show for you today. Sean Swinney is the new head coach of the Orlando Magic. We'll talk about preparing for that job. How he thinks he can improve this team.

And then I do ask about the NBA finals and some other stuff as well. But that was a lot of fun and John Anick, the voice of the UFC on what was a great card until the main event. So what happened with Connor McGregor? Well they're going to that.

I have some thoughts on NBA offseason stuff. We don't have many thoughts left, but LeBron will allow us to continue to have thoughts

“and why I think a history lesson from 2018 can inform us on a decision he probably won't”

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I cannot be annoyed if I'm going to open my show with it because I'm just as guilty as everybody else. I'm doing the updates. I've been watching TV every now and then it's like okay we're going to keep doing this because let's not make any mistake. He and his team love the ship. Love it. So after the Brani James decision of 629, which I'm never going to forget, that move where Brani's contract was guaranteed for 2627, just over two million dollars.

All those are kind of waiting around, right? And there's been different scenarios.

“There was some golden state momentum because I think a lot of people would just be so excited about”

how interesting that would be. And we've covered all this before. I've talked about the teams that I thought would make sense. But there's something that's happening that I think is worth revisiting.

Because I always love going back and looking at history to try to predict what's happening right now.

Because his group for whatever reason and I like Rich Paul a lot. But I would say and I think I even said it once the last time we talked to each other, which was just a game we randomly ran into each other. He's a huge college football fan. So he only wanted to talk about college football. But I had said something where I thought maybe he was coming over to give me a shit about that. But he's actually really smart and he was like I was going to give you shit about anything.

I don't care what you say. I would say this in the past and I'll say it again. I don't understand the obsession with just kind of wasting everybody's time. And they love doing it. They just love doing it. Because I think this this whole week control the message thing, which they do a very good job of. I think it's like a detriment to the team that you're going to sign with. Because everybody's on hold. And it's funny now. I was thinking about at this morning.

I was getting ready for the show. This is now three times in six years that I felt bad for heart. And that would be the Kyre's situation with the net. The six or zexit. And now right now. Like, even if he's not my favorite bet to get it done in the playoffs. Maybe it'll just be a full circle moment or hard and it'll be over my house. We'll just tash it all out. We'll talk about it. But right now, like, I feel bad about the situation he's in, even though there is a Cleveland

move to be able to try to find a way to get LeBron at a certain number. Depending on whatever that number is, if it really is the minimum, then all of this stuff is super solvable. But it also means there's all these other fan bases trying to figure out if he's actually in play when none of us really think that he is and that it's ultimately going to be Cleveland.

And it's always been Cleveland, but they just like doing this shit, which also tells me that

retirement tour is going to be like unhinged. I don't know if it's an attention-seeking thing. I don't know if there's some deficiency there. May does he go home and the kids don't listen

“to the wife talk with you? I mean, like, sometimes I will wonder, why is this so important to you?”

But I think it's just when you're a global star. That's not necessarily something that you want to walk away from because it's probably a lot of fun to have a group of people talking about you that much, or at least they seem to enjoy it as much. I would think this many years in, you still want to do all this shit, but yes, is the answer. They do want to do all this shit. There's only been one LeBron move where I felt very locked in about what was going to happen.

And that was when he left Miami to go back to Cleveland. That was the only time I felt like

history. So, if you go back to 2018, which is important here, that's when he went to the

“Lakers after leaving Cleveland, I think a lot of people after the fact made it sound like that”

was an automatic. But remember what the Lakers did, roster wise, in some of the conversations that we had eight summers ago, when we were trying to figure out if he was going to go staying Cleveland, go to LA, maybe go to LA in a year, because he was doing those year to year, year to year deals with Cleveland, which drove them crazy when he did a longer term thing with more security with the Lakers. And then Philadelphia, Philadelphia was theoretically in play

in 2018. So LeBron ended up going to the Lakers and the group there was Movaugher who wasn't even a guy yet. They brought in Rondo. There was the KCP contract. Remember the year prior in 17,

he got a one year deal at $17.7 million. You're like, wait a minute. Who is his agent?

They're like, oh, it's clutch. Like, hey, we'll pay KCP almost $18 million for nobody else. Well, for one year, just to let you know how much we appreciate the operation you have over there. And if LeBron were to want to come to the Lakers, they also signed Lance Stevenson, Javelle McGee. They had Caruso who wasn't a real guy yet. That was also part of it. Ingram, Lanzo, Kusma, Tyson Chandler was done. I mean, Caruso had only played 62 games the first

two years of his career there in LA. But the thought was when it happened, you're like, that's what they're doing around him. Like, that's where he wants to go. I remember two, there was like this argument. They're like, they're going to get out run. This is the most athletes the bronze ever had. Like, they're just going to be like, no, they're not going to run because LeBron's the best half court player. We've maybe ever seen. So he doesn't want to run and he doesn't have to run.

Because what he does works every single time. Anyway, so that was the collection of guys that he teamed up with and it was pretty underwhelming. I don't know if he had been more open with the Lakers of like, I'm coming in 2018. So like, prepare the ships. If there was a possibility there, but part of the argument was that he could stay in the east because the east was weaker. They were getting to the finals. It felt like constantly Boston was still too young. They were

ahead of schedule. And there was either the Cleveland scenario or there was the Philadelphia scenario. Philadelphia had just been eliminated in the playoffs early on, but you felt terrific about and beads future back then. And yes, this is real. We all collectively felt great about Ben

“Simmons future. I know faults. It only played. I think what 12 games or something like that.”

10 games, 14 games. But he had the shoulder injury. I was reading Brown quotes this morning about how much better he looked in 2018 and 2019 and working on it. And like, oh, there's some real confidence. And what was he supposed to say? He was the interim general manager at the time. All right. So there was this and beads Simmons pairing in 2018 that felt like it was a much better opportunity than this collection that the Lakers had kind of had to piece together, likely being a roster that

was not ready for LeBron. And that's exactly, I mean, it took him a little while and it took the transaction. Anthony Davis changed all this around. But the 2018 thing you're like, man, from a basketball standpoint, like, yes, days and the East, like he goes like, if this is what really matters, why would you go to the Lakers? They have faults. I mentioned Sarge. That's right. Sarge was a lottery pick two years in. He was part of the selling coin as well. So it comes time to take

these meetings and then what happens? This contingency from Philadelphia flies out to L.A. meets me some rich Paul. It's the ownership group. It's Brett Brown and LeBron doesn't show up. You know, like, well, why would they be pushing out the LeBron to Philadelphia thing? Because that's what his group was doing. Like, it wasn't like all of us just made it up. That was being pushed

“as a destination. And all you have to do is look at his podcast with Kellerman, which was”

fucking hysterical where they were mapping out 27 scenarios of teams that they could go to. When they whiteboarded up, I was entertained by it was entertaining, even if I thought it was mostly bullshit. But what we learned in 2018 is the whole Philly thing was also kind of bullshit. He didn't even show up to the meeting. And then when I finally did a little bit more digging after the fact, I'm like, why was that a thing? It was like, well, Ben Simmons is a clutch client. And at the time,

LeBron's group felt like keeping Philadelphia in the mix was somehow a service to them. Would somehow make them look better? The perception of the sixors would be improved because it felt like

they were a real scenario for LeBron when, in fact, he was never going there. And I was like,

Like that, Timmy is a lot of energy wasted on a scenario that was never going to happen.

Like did you do Philly a favor? Or did you get their fans hopes up? Did you waste a ton of people's times with that organization? And then I was reading again the quotes this morning was like, hey, this shows that we're a first class organization. This shows that we're going to be in on any marquee free agent. You know, exactly what I would say if I own the team, but I'd also be like, so he's not coming. He's not even going to talk to us. And we're supposedly in on this.

Is that what's happening right now in 2026? Max is a clutch client. Is this just this group? Somehow perceiving this is a favor to an organization and be like, we'll let you think, we'll let the fans think, let everybody think, you know, even from a planning standpoint, even though like Philly's really made most of their moves already,

“but we'll let you think that this is a possibility. Because that's what it feels like. I personally”

think it's a waste of everybody's time. They clearly do not. A couple of other thoughts here. The quiet Leonard trade being frozen that happened right after we taped on Thursday, there's two very different statements here. Oh, look, the clipper side of it is longer, but I just wanted to touch on a couple things because I've seen it kind of presented two different ways at least on the Toronto side. One is that Toronto was blind to this idea that this trade could be frozen.

I've read that. There's also news out there that it said Toronto would be getting even a heads up because the investigation in the quiet Leonard clipper situation is not complete that there could be something and therefore Toronto would be on the hook for it if they're going to want to continue to do this trade. I know like everybody else, we're kind of at a point now. We're like, hey, we thought there should be over. I don't know if it's not over because they don't have enough and this is a

“simple thing of like it's a lot of here say where we can call connected dots and go clearly something”

weird here happened, but if you can't prove it, then nothing's going to happen, but then again, if nothing's going to happen, how's that going to go over the media for the NBA? How's that going to go over for the other NBA teams that are pissed off about this? I don't think nothing is going to happen thing happens here, but then you also understand too. It's like if you think you're going to do this to us, then we're going to fight back and so all of this stuff has kind of worked out collectively,

but then Toronto's sitting there going, hey, we just want the player because of all of these offseason moves, if we're talking about one that really moves the needle and I don't know that you're going to get 25, 26 Kauai again in Toronto, but if you get anything close to that and taking out bad brain and ingram playoff possessions which are all of them and pair him with this Scotty Barnes

version where I've never been more bullish on Scotty Barnes, the Toronto, like now I look at them

“differently, but what happens if he's suspended for 30 games? I just wanted to make this point,”

does it even matter? He didn't even play a full season when they wanted all in 2019. I mean, Kauai gets to do whatever he wants. The funniest part about all of this Kauai stuff is that imaginative any high profile, well, he's obviously very high profile. How about this? Imagine of an NBA star with a high profile who actually talked was caught up in this. Kauai gets this incredible pass because he doesn't really talk to anybody. We've already accepted, it's like,

I don't know what's going on there, like there is perhaps no personality in there whatsoever. If it was another kind of like front facing dude and this is strange to say because he's felt like the face of a couple of different franchises. It's different times here, but we have just accepted that he's not going to play along. In a way, it's benefited him massively throughout all of this, because like other guys at his level would have to do the sit down with somebody at ESPN. They would

have to do whatever it is to kind of like open up a little bit, turn the page, and either apologize or lie or do whatever, but they'd have to address it. Kauai, we've just accepted that

that's never going to happen because he's just not going to do it, which in a way, I kind of

admire from the guy. But if he's suspended, Toronto sure can go back to the clippers and say, okay, we need to take back one of these picks. If I'm the clippers, I would say, absolutely not, what are you going to do? Not want Kauai back in Toronto? Good luck with that. So I don't even know how the negotiation would go. But if it ends up that the news becomes, well, why is he suspended, which becomes its own debate on whether or not we feel that that's the right thing to happen.

But if somebody's putting it off or in front of you, again, I don't know if this is a, it'll it'll be interesting to see what the punishment is because it'll be like, I can't believe it's that little. It's like, yeah, but there's a big difference between what we can talk about, and then what somebody can actually prove to punish one of their partners. But if part of this is that they feel like the NBA's investigation feels like that Kauai was complicit in this somehow,

him getting suspended for a few games probably isn't that different from what the plan would be

place 75 anyway. One last thought on some of the stuff in this weekend, the Gary Trent contract, this is one of the all-time worst contracts in NBA history, but everybody knew that it was coming.

“64 million over four years, all guaranteed. When I saw the headline, I was like, is there any way?”

But what had happened is everybody knows, there was some, some deals that were a little below market level. And there were, there are other people going like, I cannot wait to see what that

Gary Trent number comes in at because then he had a terrible season and he got for your 64 million.

And if there was some sort of understanding that you'd be taking care of later on, which believe it or not does happen in this league, Milwaukee's run of trying to look, they were stuck. Their guy didn't want to be there. As an aside, Buck's Twitter, you guys can just stay in your fucking lane of trying to tell me where Lord is actually not bad on defense, telling the world that it's an ESPN, Shoms creation that Yannis wants to leave. And then when I

laughed at the Trent contract, I had like real guys on Buck's Twitter trying to somehow like critique something else is if that was like a good comeback to laughing at this contract. And I'm laughing

“at it because I think a lot of people knew that this is going to happen. But once that major”

domino falls and you were, I think this run for the last few years, the box is a lesson of the next team that's like, when your guy starts dipping his toe into wanting to leave, get it over with, especially once you've won an NBA championship because the domino effect of all of these deals, these trades, the game waving, the money spent on Turner, it'd be nice if they hit on a few more of the draft picks. But this is, and again, a lot of it has to do with one of my, if you're John

Hersleck, one of my supposed to do give up like I'm trying to figure out any way to salvage his reinvented

around Yannis the entire time. But that's always been my biggest issue with this deal and looking

at the heat package back for it. I mean, that's the other thing too. Look at all the guards that they've brought in. They have wrongs, they have Porter, they traded for Levert, they have Hero in the trade. And then it's like, yeah, let's make sure we get Gary Trent 64 million guaranteed. How about you do this in the future? If Gary Trent's going to walk for a better deal in the minimum, let him, you're going to be okay. He has the new head coach of the Orlando Magic. It is

Sean Swinney joining us on the podcast. Thanks for doing this, man. How are you? Great. Thanks for having me. Okay. So what's it like interviewing for a head coaching job? What do you do to prepare for something like that? It depends on the one, but basically you're studying the team, you're studying what they, what they played like, what you think you could do with their roster, what changes you would make. And then in some situations, you're trying to look at like,

who was the previous head coach? And what did he do that the guys interviewing you didn't like? And trying to make sure you don't hit on those things? But he adds pretty exhaustive. Or land it was actually the most thorough interview that I had. Why is that? Nine and a half hours long. And they did the best job. Jeff and those guys did the best job of when they asked a question. They had follow-up questions that were like layered. So there was more depth that you had to give

in terms of what you were talking about. Hey, this is what I think about, you know, what schemes would be good offensively? And then they'd ask why and could you describe different things within it? So it was by far the most thorough of any of the ones that I did. I imagine when somebody like you, I mean coaches are prep freaks to begin with, but you start your NBA career as a video coordinator. We just know that that is all about preparation.

It's preparation for every single of the person. So I am always kind of like from a distance going

“you must overprepare in a way where you're like, I want to have everything covered for every”

single. You probably learn those teams in preparation for the interviews better than you've ever learned them ever going up against them in an actual game on another staff. Yeah. Yeah. And then definitely, and then sometimes after is like, why the hell did I spend all that stuff like that? That's fair. Yeah. Okay. So then specific to Orlando. What do you think sold them on you? Well, I thought we came into a very, you know, aligned in terms of how we saw

has been successful in some ways. And obviously, Franz getting hurt last year, a lot of people would

point to that as to why magic potential didn't get through that first round, but how do we take

that and build upon it? Trying to be specific in certain things that we feel like we can measure

“and improve upon. But I think just at the end of the day, you know, I wanted to go into”

it really prepared thorough in terms of how I looked at the team, but try to communicate my thoughts clearly and concisely, make sure that I knew what I was talking about because clear and concise doesn't matter if you sound like an idiot. But just in general, try to make sure that I was really locked in on what I thought needed to be done and looking at the strengths and the weaknesses, not just, you know, oh, we got to do this differently. This is a podcast that loves this Orlando

roster. Okay. We are pro magic guys on this pod. I'm with you. I really like that front office, the drafting record, like we love Paula, we'll get to that as well. So I think there are times throughout the season of doing this pod. We do it three days away. We do a ton NBA where you're like, man, I'm so frustrated by Orlando. What do you? Because that's because of the talent that you're walking into. So I know it could be a little delicate because, you know, the coaching world is

a small fraternity. But what do you think needs to be solved with this group to get them in a position where we don't have a repeat of what happened last year? Well, you know, to me, the big things is just, there's got to be an activation of all five guys a little bit more often here. So whether that's playing with more pace and getting into things quicker, being more

“clear in our spacing, making sure that we make the right decision, you know, I think just in general”

the more that we hunt baskets and not the ball, we're going to be in better shape and then defensively. This team a couple of years ago was rock solid at the top of the league and getting back to that, I think, is a big deal to, you know, like a good defense travels. And, you know, if you've got a great defense, you're going to put yourself in a position regardless of the night, you know, the game at the end of the day is get more shots, get better shots than your opponent.

And so if we can get to that, which I think we can, we're going to be in good shape. In the past, sometimes you look at a team and say, okay, well, that's a lot of on ball guys. There's only one basketball, you know, whatever. There's just too many overlaps there. And now, I feel like the game is shifted here, where it's like there's nothing better than to have for sometimes even five guys that if they have a ball in their hands, they can escape with it.

And when I think about Paulo, France, being black, you know, even named some other guys here, where it's a lot of players that probably like to initiate on ball. And I see it as a positive, but it's almost like they have to understand that all being good on ball doesn't mean taking turns. All being good on ball means like we should just get stuck less. And I felt like it was a very turn based offense now for a couple of years. Yeah, I think, you know, one of my mentors,

again, I'm Tim Gergerich, you still always say whoever has the ball is the point card.

So if you pass the center, he's got to be a decision maker. If you pass to this guy on a throw ahead, he's got to be a decision maker. And I think that's more applicable than ever in today's game that whoever has the ball because these guys are so skilled, a lot of times they can create. But once you create, you've got to make a good decision whether it's a shooter to pass it. And I think that's something that like you said, they can escape more. But the best teams I've

had been part of coaching, we've had a lot of guys that could all go get buckets and get themselves shots. And then if there's two guys guarding them, it's past the damn ball that your teammate.

“The shooting numbers have been a problem. That's why there were such an emphasis on acquiring”

Bane. And I think Bane was a home run last year. Like they, I'm sure, whether it's publicly or privately, like, yeah, we know we give it the picks, who knows what they'll end up being. But like, we'll do that deal all over again. Can the shooting numbers? Well, I guess I'd look at it this way. How much do you think the shooting numbers suffer from guys that are average below average shooters versus some of the shot selection that you've watched from this group? I mean, shot

selection is always where it starts. You know, if you're not shooting a good percentage to see

your bad shooter, you're taking bad shots, just as a general rule. So the more we can create good looks, the better we're going to be. And I think there's definitely some room to improve there. Yeah. Yeah. I think they would run the clock late and it would be a lot of like, I guess

from the collection of shooters that you have. But it just doesn't offense that, you know, like I

said, yeah, we were sitting here. I mean, I'm, I'm sharing the frustration with you and you're like, hey, it wasn't around back then. You mentioned running. Will this group run? Because you would think on paper, we want to run. Well, when when we're in Dallas, we're at top 10 pace team. Theoros doing the offense and Luca Donchich was our point card. So if, if Luca can be in the top 10 in pace, I think just about anybody can. And obviously his skill set is the best offense player of

all time or whatever they're about. But yeah, we can run. We can get the ball at the floor. We can get over by 21 on the shot clock as a general rule here. Yeah. Because, you know, I think like there been times the past where LeBron would be with a group. And something I talked about even the

start of this podcast today. And it's like, hey, you know, get out, run, get young people and

say, well, LeBron is so good at dissecting everything that's happening that he actually wants to control the half core. That Luca number surprising me. Because again, it's somebody who's like, what do you want me to do? Just let me get the ball. I will figure it out. And then I'm still

“going to give you a great option in the entire time. And I think Palo on ball, that's what I've loved”

about him so much is that you've got this massive human being that can play like a point card. I don't think he actually wants to be. I don't think I don't look at him as somebody who's like, I just want to have the ball all the time. But I think he's so good in some of these two men mismatches that he can work himself into. I wonder if it's hard to break him of the habit of

of wanting to dissect what's happening the half core instead of being like, hey, dude, you get in

downhill with Anthony Black and some of these other guys. Like, that's where we want to start to position. And if we don't have, we pull it out and then we have plenty of time to run something in the half core. Yeah, I think, you know, how you run, you know, this like, it's not just to get fast break layups. It's to give yourself more time if you don't get that, you know, everybody would love to, hey, touch the paint quick, score the basketball or touch the paint throw through an

open guy swing it shot. But when you don't have that and you need to create an advantage, you need to use whatever actions you like early in a possession to create an advantage. If you're starting it at 14 on the clock or 16 on the clock and slow moving and now there's a switch and an ISO and you only give yourself X amount of time, it gets harder. I mean, that's why you see in the playoffs. And that's why with the spurs, we pressed every position. Take more time, start your

position later. Now you got to work against, you know, a physical as defense and we got, you know, big fellow behind us, you know, but that's why you're trying to get into things quicker, you know, like oftentimes in the playoffs, we talk about adjustments and what are we going to do differently and a lot of times that it is starting with, we have to play faster, get into our stuff sooner. So I think that's, you know, that's a big deal just in general. If that disconnect just,

“I think that's why coaches are always frustrated because you just know, like if I can get this much”

more effort out of you, some of our pros we fix. And then you know, as a player too, it's like, yeah, I'm tired, man. I'm tired. And I'm not going to be able to do this every single position in the way you want me to be able to do it. How do you, how do you hammer that message in a way that feels satisfying? Well, I mean, you just hit it though. I think it starts with, we got to get in the shape, you know, and every team has to go through some version of that. You've got to be in shape enough to do it.

But I think there's, you know, how many guys you play as part of it? You know, if you're going to shorten the rotation, you know, only play, you know, a short rotation. It's going to be harder to tell guys to run every time. It's going to harder to tell them to give max effort. So some of it's on us as coaches to make sure we make good decisions as to how we use our rotation. How many guys we play. But then there's a level of, you got to teach it, you got to emphasize it. And sometimes

you got to demand it. What's it been like getting to know, Palo? It's been good, yeah. I didn't know him, but I knew a number of people around him prior to it. You know, Miss Johnson, who I just were forced to Seattle guy went to the same high school Spencer Hawes, who I coached. My man Yehaz, his Seattle guy, he knew Palo. So I got a little bit of an understanding from those guys prior to it. And since getting the job, it's been really, really, really good. I wanted to

Seattle a couple weeks ago, spent some time up there, working out with him, seeing how things were going up there. So I've liked a lot. He's a smart kid. He's serious about how he wants to be a great player and a great winner in this league. And he's in great shape and working his ass off,

“which is important. It feels like you've been, I don't know if it looks the right way, but”

different sats, you've been on like the number one guy gets it. And a lot of your stops is that something that you think with your background, you can get through to Palo and being like, hey, and it may be, maybe I'm assuming too much. You're like, hey, France is nasty. Bains,

career and kind of like, all right, what's that next step going to look like for him? Do you think he's

“had enough seasoning in the league to understand what he has tasked with beyond just getting buckets?”

Well, he got no choice now. But I think, all those guys that you just mentioned, like there's a lot of high-level players on this team that are serious about winning and, you know, as it pertains to Palo and his teammates, you know, my job is to give them organization, structure, clarity in their roles. You know, those guys are like the main characters in this

movie. I'm a supporting character and we're all essential to have a good movie made, but

I've got to do a good job and our staff has to do a good job. You know, why we brought in guys, like Greg Buckner and Joe Pronti still here, DJ Baker, like those guys, like we have to do a great job of making sure that we communicate clearly what we want them to do and then play and coach the style that lends itself to their talents. We mentioned you start as a video coordinator. We are, I love PJ Carlisamo, going all the way back. It comes on. He comes on the pod all the time.

Nobody's, nobody's quicker to invite you to a dinner. Give me your favorite PJ story from having to prepare something for him or maybe it's just something else. It doesn't even have to be that. Just, we love PJ Carlisamo stories. PJ was the best because so Popeye Jones and I run the staff, Popeye's on the staff here and we were preparing the game plan for playing the next thing was on MLK day and we were in there all day and it was the year the next were good. J. Kid was there. Like they

had that, they were the two seed. They were rolling. Like the garden was back. All that stuff and we are preparing and so PJ makes us meet with them and we walk into the conference room and he's got 30 box scores laid out on the table and he's like a beautiful mind and they're like highlighted and circled and we went through the game plan for like, I mean, no bull like two hours and he's

telling us it won't work, it won't work, it won't work and finally goes, all right, well if it doesn't

work, it's your asses and then the next day he went in and sold it to the team like it was his. And so like he would do that were like you had to defend your answers all the time and if you did, he'd roll with it. Do you look at it what you've done and why you've stood out like you've been talked about where I think there are some teams like I think the lakers have done a good job with this with their staff where it's almost a football matchup specific game plan where I think there's

other staffs that are still even in 2026 is like, hey, this is who we are roll the ball out. This is kind of what we want to do. Do you think there is room to be more game-to-game specific with game

plans with the way the NBA goes about it? Yeah, well I think as long as your system and your base

level is sound, you can add layers to it, you know, more likely going game-to-game. I think so to me the biggest thing now is the ability to lock in on player tendencies game-to-game.

“You have to be great at that. You have to be able to understand who these guys are on a nightly”

bases but then I do think there's room to adjust your schemes based on who you're playing that night but your foundation has to be really strong. So early in the year you may not be able to do as much as you could late in the year but yeah you've got to do that to a certain extent like you just talked about a lot of teams have numerous guys who can go get a bucket so you've got to be really sound in that but yeah it starts with your system and your foundation then your game plans got to

be rock solid and then you you have to know the tendencies and be able to execute against them. Do you think you'll ever watch that finals again? Absolutely no. I don't lose a lot of sleep over games. I've lost a lot of sleep over that series. Yeah, not fun. But thanks for bringing it up. I have more thoughts. I've been already here. The writing answer and a simple answer would be if I asked you what happened and just go jail and bronze and happen so I would accept that as an

“answer if I wanted another answer what happened? I think a few things one I think there's a little”

of Trishin having to go to the previous series. Two bad luck you know they told me if the games are like 46 minutes or whatever we would have won for one. Jalen obviously had a monster game in that last one you know coach Simon Dallas like happy for him kind of. I think there's some of that and I think

youth to that but like you know do what you did and just all of a sudden become young. The one

“thing I think that's a little different in the finals than the other rounds is when you have to”

do a media in the finals you have to answer questions even when you've played poorly or struggled and you don't have to do that in the previous rounds. You know those guys like all a year if they have a longer media session it's because they've done something good like you don't have 15 minutes of answering like why didn't you make this play? Are you too young? Are you guys on the same page? What do you think about coaches decisions? I think that's like a different deal and

can obviously contribute to it but then like you said Jalen Brunson happened is probably you

could answer to N.O.G's ass. Yeah I mean O.G. I'll never but I'm already ready to apologize if I'm

critical of I'm next year having a moment during the season because because of what I think of him now is a player you know there's like a whole you know there were things with O.G that I love it's like hey this guy would fit on and he kind of team and then you're like I always he always available and you look at the kind and then it's just like okay never mind like don't worry about the little things with him because there's he was just a monster all playoffs and a huge difference

in that series and he's like elite on ball elite in different areas on defense I mean do when he was in Toronto I think we're in Detroit he gave us 51 times I mean you know like some guys they're they're far more talented than the opportunity they get every day and you need those guys to be

“okay with that if you want to win you know like this dude's a good player who when he was”

called upon was ready to roll you know I mean he's impressive man he's really good all right so I love that you said the thing about the young thing because that drives me crazy a little bit too it's like well then if they're young they lose games seven at O.K.C. so but there did seem to be like a comfort gap there at times and maybe that's just as simple as is watching the lead go I want to throw something at you because it was something I picked up on

and you can tell me if I'm crazy if I'm wrong because I've been wrong plenty of times but I didn't like women young as touches I thought there were long stretches where the guards got away from him and the reason I feel comfortable saying that's used that after you would have a time out some sort of break whether you call the time out or just a break in the action and then the spurs had the ball it seemed like there was a concerted effort from Mitch and the staff

to get to the ball handler and say hey look we're going to get Wemby deeper on the catch we're going to get something better but like the ball has to get back to Wemby Niyama on this one and I noticed it enough to go okay well then the staff is seeing what I'm seeing and whether it's younger perimeter players having Wemby too far away and then ignoring that he could still be an option maybe Wemby get lined up too far away one on one with the ball into a crowd of all sorts of

things did you feel like during that series that and it's not being critical in the

state of the guards but there were too many stretches where Wemby Niyama perhaps was an optimized whether it was touch or where the touch was happening yeah I think there was definitely some of that and the other thing too is like the guy doing the defense in New York Brendan O'Connor like he's been in the NBA a long time he's a good coach like he knows what he's doing so some of it was what New York is trying to do to make it tough for him to get those touches as

“well and I think that's why like you saw Mitch doing a good job of like all right here's how”

we can get him the ball with more space more often but and then part of it is like as a player you know showing those guys and trying to help them find where can you get him the ball or when someone was missed not just him but just in general what the right play to make was but yeah I think you know there's some accuracy there for sure last one and I promise we get back to because you're like okay he's like that in realises spurs interview um I want to end

in the positive here Dylan Harper from day one to Dylan Harper in the finals what was that like being in a front row seat well one you could see how immensely talented he was when he got there

or when like June in December like even his first summer league like this dude wants it you know

I mean like he's he's got a chance to be like a big time player as the year went on he did a really good job of grasping what he needed to do to be on the floor every night on a good team and like he's got a level of pedigree to him that he's like a winning player you know like sometimes dudes are like I want to be rookie the year I wish I was on a team that stinks well his alternative was like everybody is talking about you and June is like this dude's the man you know so like when

balling out on the biggest stage like you know there's a there's a sacrifice that he made but like

there's a reward individually with how how well he played at the opportunity he got um and that wasn't like a big thing for him he just like I'm good with it you know which is really impressive for a 19 year old or 20 year old life he is yeah I look I can't even put a ceiling on who he is like only 866 220 he's huge he's a big kid like he's big and strong already

“yeah there's this comfort to all of it too and that's I think the electron top everything you just said”

to be that comfortable where I'm like hey get it back to the rookie in the NBA finals when I'm watching you and some possessions and I go when have you ever said that like I was I think four

when magic did it in the finals so it wasn't like I was yelling at the TV at four years old it's just

not supposed to happen you know and the other thing too like you talked about in the playoffs like a lot of times when young guys struggle they ease up or they kind of slow up they're not as aggressive and like I think that was one of the things that those guys did a great job of it was like like my man PJ Tucker would say like you got to be more fearless you got to be more aggressive like you can't go you got to go harder you got like you can't ease up you got to get your stuff right

you got to make sure you're prepared you got to execute upon what you're asked to do but he embodied like you don't slow up now and that was the time to get going and I think that's

part of the reason why you see that success for a young guy like there was no easing off the gas because

I'm not sure what to do. Two quick things we finished here if there's one thing like one thing

“that you feel like you need to hammer to this group in Orlando I just like at our core we have to”

be this what is it? Team team we've got to be big time in all the team aspects there's a lot of invisible plays that have to be made and I think just in general for our group you know like the measure of greatness and a team sport is what you do to elevate your teammates. This is a team game and it doesn't mean that you can have big time individual success but team is where this starts. Head coach now work the officials a little bit here. Have you thought about

sometimes in assistance like I can get away with anything here sort of and then maybe they'll tell us to go back have you thought about your demeanor how how much you're going to work the officials because it's going to be it's you now on the sideline yeah I remember asking we'll hearty about this it was like to take you a few games really like you could get more mad at the

“officials who's like yeah I think it was kind of funny I was like oh maybe I'll start getting on these”

guys a little bit. If you thought about like I want to be like this although you probably can't decide to be any other way than you actually are. Yeah I mean I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it but I remember during one of the COVID seasons when I had to fill in for J. Kid and Marquise Chris was like going after an official when we had Marquise Chris on our team and I looked at him and I said Marquise this guy doesn't respect me at all how the hell do you think he's going to

respect you play the game and I forget who it was the rest like he's like you're right I don't so all right I'm going to just worry about my team and then we'll talk to you guys as we see necessary but what an unnecessary added piece of commentary from that official but I almost feel like I can guess who that would be but I love that we got to I love that we got to Marquise Chris shot in there because I loved him in the crowd and then at a great

kid he got injured for us that you he was doing a good job yeah we owe zero we went to the western finals and lost to a golden state but yeah it's like yeah let's just play here like we can just go get a rebound and then we got to Spencer Hachana who is a higher and high approval rating down here in the South Bay uh John congrats man I know it's a dream come true and I'm thrilled you're with this group and we can't wait to start watching the magic this year now thanks a lot

I appreciate it he is the voice of the UFC he is a friend of mine it's John Anna good to see you again I was actually describing you earlier today as one of my best friends certainly my best friend in the industry if I ever needed vice for something contractual or otherwise I'm coming to you but yeah it's great to see you uh and such is life right UFC freedom 256 is thing I've ever seen in my life and then maybe this weekend one of the Saturday things I've seen you know in pro sports so uh up and down

heaven flow here we are it was a great card and then the main event happened so let's just dig into it right there uh Connor goes with the flying lead kick which we actually saw him practicing back stage

and then as soon as he lands the knee in the everybody's kind of like wisely falling down

like what's going on here so take us through your vantage point of everything that was happening well there's a lot of speculation as to whether or not there was a pre-existing injury for

“Connor McGregor that does not appear to be the case I think he just put a lot of pressure on that knee”

with what Joe Rogan would probably describe as a wayward decision to throw a switch roundhouse kick right out of the shoot but Connor thought he could execute it and he couldn't and obviously he paid the ultimate price now what type of decisions has he made over last five years that maybe didn't put his body in an optimal position to compete if it's martial arts after a layoff like this I don't know right but fair I think fair I mean throw five years off I don't know that he's been the

picture of fitness every raise of footage that we've seen but go ahead and you know he has a

titanium rod in one leg and I was wondering aloud did he put in 16 weeks of hell to have a crazy cardio vascular base for a 25 minute fight or was he maybe looking at this as an eight or 10 minute affair to go in there try to get the job done as he often does quickly and get out of there you know one thing I said on the broadcast max Holloway has more title fight time than any fighter in UFC history almost nine hours in championship fights in that fucking octagon for max Holloway

nine hours nine hours just on the fight just title for the best that's such an incredible stat well is that not an advantage right I mean you know anyone who's like oh man I bet on Connor I don't know what to tell you intellectually right I mean I didn't I don't know how I mean look I think all of us I've been lucky enough to be in that building for a Connor fight and when you're in Vegas and it's just lined with Irish lads already arrested and costs in the hallways you know

that that fight that I went to 10 years ago I'm like it is still one of the greatest events that I've

“ever experienced but it was it was Pete Connor so I think anybody that loves this sport”

you're always enamored with the idea of him right even though it just this is not what happens

you don't get to take five years off right and I don't know that he was in fight mode the entire time when you're older fighting sucks and so I'm like everybody else going like is there any chances or an chance but I don't know that any sane person is thinking like he has set himself up for a really competitive and look the credit to him is that he's like all right I'll take on Max like I'll go at max right this is brutal and so even will all of that I didn't really necessarily

like his chances um and you know look I said I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here and say like Mac Max is like hey we need to run it back which I thought was respectful that was the least approved statement I heard yeah like yeah no one in the building was like yeah dude let's do it let's run it back this silence well I think it's hard right it's hard for us as commentators

“to come up with the proper words and I think for Max you know he comes over to the booth and”

sort of gives me one of these hands in the air and I don't really know how to respond to Max even physically in that moment you know there's so much to unpack here Connor McGregor could have asked Dana White Hunter Campbell for Michael Chandler a fight that a lot of us felt as though the ship had sailed on but it would have been a more winnable fight at least on paper Connor McGregor might have been a two-one favorite against Michael Chandler but if he still tried this move he could have

gotten injured and this would have been even more disastrous but I agree with you right to fight Max Holloway who's been in it the entire time Max has been at the top championship training camp one after the other the entire time that Connor's been doing whatever he has been doing now the optimist in me would actually submit to you that if this is a meniscus and even if it is an ACL that Connor could come back for one and certainly if Nate Diaz was the opposition that's a

competitive fight that maybe Connor would be favored in but what exactly is the goal here and what are kind of a Gregor's goal so I think he was back for the right reasons I think he's found so variety I think he's clean but I just I don't know exactly what we're trying to do here and if this is a torn ACL you know maybe this is the final nail in the coffin and what a disappointing conclusion it would be so you are a hundred percent on board like that this was not a pre-existing

condition well I mean I'd like to give the athlete the head coach the benefit of the doubt I can lean into his warm up in the back that look pretty good I can certainly look at the visual that we showed not for speculative purposes on the broadcasts and see him in the inspection zone and it's not a great visual you know when I saw him at the ceremony away and putting his sneakers on and you can tell Connor's been out of the game because we don't even take our fucking pants off anymore

when we weigh in that's ceremonial you've already weighed in in the morning right most of the athletes don't even derope like that but he's so out of practice he takes his pants off then goes to put his sneakers back on and I'm thinking he's putting his sneakers back on for the stare down but you know maybe he's doing that because of an injury I don't think it was

really sore so the next day I stretched and I hurt my shoulder stretch now I'm ten years older than him but you know when you get older it doesn't get easier and in this sport it's absolutely ruthless yeah look at it that part of it makes sense I think everybody wants everything to have like another layer of conspiracy no matter what which is also why there's somebody times or something sketchy maybe happening and I'm just so de-sensitized to the audience going it can't just be

disappointing right it can't just be disappointing the angle the the torque that he's putting on that knee with that move I think you made a great point there that maybe he was just like this isn't

going 25 minutes so like I'm coming out like a madman and Connor like it's always up for the fight

“too which you know you have to throughout his career be like this guy is ready for it he isn't”

just one of Dana's all-time favorites because of the money side of it he's one of Dana's favorites because we've had Dana on in the past with Dana's like hey that guy is ready to go like of all the managing that goes into all of these egos and guys going like I want to be a badass but I kind of like you have my own past the badass isn't yeah you know like Connor has never really been one of those guys that that is looking to avoid anything and so who look you've been around this sport

for such a long time far closer than I ever have but if there's one constant is that old fighters don't really stop so we can see here and say that there's no market form because of this I just don't

think that'll be true yeah he's not saying the right he's not going to stop all right so go ahead

he'll fight on Netflix at some point in time right he has one fight left on his UFC contract he'll be in big fights and maybe there would be a boxing match down the line with Floyd Mayweather I'm certainly not expected nor hopeful that we're going to see any of that noise I still want to see if he can compete in mixed martial arts at a somewhat high level I do believe that if you look at the top 25 in the Welcherweight Division for example maybe you could find a fight there for him you know

“but yeah I believe that he has it within him his competitive spirit is such that he's going to be”

back the only visual that really gave me pause in terms of conspiracy theorists out there speculation and I'm sure you would agree with this when he hit the tunnel and went through

his usual walkout in the motions he didn't have that usual look in his eye he wasn't smiling looking

like he's on the fringe of just lunaticism you know what I mean and even when he did the billionaire strut in the octagon he didn't have that usual look in his eye now that could be because it's been a long time that could be because he wasn't necessarily budding with confidence in the matchup or could be because you know he got injured either in the back or during training camp who knows but for people to lean all the way into the fact that he went to a fucking healing center in

California and say oh he must have been injured right you know there are a lot of people felt like that not max all the way it was an all time great investment whether Connor was injured or not so if you were a writer you could talk about Connor passing the public baton to patty the batty you know in this moment and maybe there's too many similarities you know size the there's some some personality similarities there that you get into it and patty after the gate you fight

“like it was a loss but I think collectively everybody felt better about patty after that fight”

yeah for him to go in and kind of recapture his momentum side by side with Connor like that that felt like maybe like again if I were right I don't even know if it's real or not but I would be writing to that idea that this Connor thing is now totally over but it isn't from a fighting standpoint but the the hopefulness that you have about a Connor moment to then patty kind of recapturing the imagination of everyone in there that seemed to be so behind him and how dominant he was

with that early show I love the way you tied that together patty pimp it's the man he could come to the UFC when he was 21 he could have come when he was 23 years of age but he and this is a direct quote wanted to be a proper athlete when he got here and I think because of his persona and his ability to orate and captivate the masses by just being himself and being you know comedically great you know people lose sight of the martial artist and just how good a grappler he is

right there's so many guys who don't know their way around a submission and he has tons of them and just submitted maybe the most hardened guy in the division and choked him on conscious so I love the total package he I think was a superstar before Saturday night but this is going to take it just to an entirely different level and for him I think it's really just about the championship and if he can get the championship in a room or otherwise right then you're talking about a kid who

can defend his title in Liverpool and then you really are talking about global superstar. So it was a huge night for patty he's a great human being and yeah he's gone about a lot of things the right way but it's been a huge year for him learning less than against Gagey to do it he did

from not just you know the fans but me and a lot of people on the staff as well. Is it weird when they want to come over and celebrate with you because there's no other sport like that really. Yeah so it's interesting because I'm a promoter and not a journalist right and my biggest initiative is try to promote these athletes humanize them make people at home

care and it's always interesting when people say and I always quote Rick patino you know Larry

Burr's not walking through that door kid my kid's not walking through that door right they say oh you know you got no conneries really a lot of sonny's on the way out John Jones and then Alex poeton patino walks through the door and becomes the biggest superstar in UFC history or Ilya topoony becomes a massive star right there's always another star but yeah it's unique right like maybe the greatest moment of my career was when Amanda noon has retired and came and kissed me on the

“forehead right uh that's maybe the best thing that's ever happened to me because she's the consensus”

greatest of all time and it was just I think it appreciation for us promoting her and doing right by her and uh but yeah it is unique you know there's no rooting interest you know I've had to call I think five or six of Daniel Cornier's fights before he retired so um you know um long past sort of having to check the friendship at the door but certainly I have a far closer personal relationship with patty pimple at them but we're gonna stick out we're we want the high five you know

Rogan says we're professional fans I think that's really what we are. I was not critical of it I actually

just think it's I think it's cool I think it's a smaller family yeah it is part of this road show and honestly like you guys are so good on the call that yeah I don't I don't even know that it was even brought up as a thing I just thought it was an incredible camera angle because in the middle of

“you calling out the moment the emotion of that moment patty standing over you and goes left to”

right DC Rogan and then you're like mid sentence giving it up on the broadcast while also trying to maintain the athleticism of a high five of that angle which is not easy right I'm just trying to get my high five you know I mean don't want to be left out you know fear of missing out on the high five what's next what is next I'm actually going to Serbia I'm supposed to go to Max Holloway's inaugural golf tournament in Hawaii on Sunday July 19th Monday July 20th right and how about this

and then Serbia later at the bottom Max doesn't have a scratch on it he doesn't he didn't fight and now you shower I'm right so how do you find out yeah you find out if he even shower I will yeah we probably have to get a little bit of a lather going yeah in the warm up in the back yeah but imagine right and I don't know the extent to which he's a golfer and I know you got to go but imagine right you have your inaugural golf tournament coming up and you don't even have to compete right

I mean I don't know how much money he made but good on you Max cuz here at it work we check out the pod it's on YouTube we're about to go two hours live and a lot to talk about but yeah buddy it's

“great to catch up with you always I hope to see you in a lot of events I think we're going back”

to Los Angeles later this year so I like these day in my place and then keep the pretty him and we'll just tell Dana White that it's Ryan Racillio using my tickets and he'll put him on the floor right yeah I definitely I want that I want to be graphic as Alex Caruso bro I mean I said she course demons in for the fucking record you know I mean I know the five foot six inch man when I see one but dude like these celebs shots are how I get in trouble you know like

pop culturally I'm not locked in so I need pronunciations on actors and then you know they fought the boxer that we've just signed as an NBA player so I'm trying to call flights and do promos the celebs are the bait of my existence great car though I mean I know the main event

so I was a great car and and you guys are great as always thanks for the time man

see you want details five I drive a Ferrari 355 cabriole what's up I have a ridiculous house in the south fork I have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids I am liquid so now you know what's possible let me tell you what's required like advice the email address is life advice [email protected] I feel like we have a lot to get to here a lot of housekeeping before some excursions we got fucking Dennis Connor over here

there I just got for those watch you got Netflix I say stars and stripes but I forget to wear the stars get some double stripes going on all right yeah yeah you know okay so I've got a travel log going to be coming up with an excursion here upon a soon how sitters are excited that I'll be gone security what else do we need to do here we have a Kyle travel log from his day

I didn't doubt Kyle but it is I wanted to be a long credible like I did I really did I was like I did not I didn't know I didn't know anything that the thing with the travel

“log business you have to leave a wanting what I don't know that I've ever thought of that”

it's minor pretty long yeah what do we do with this thing do we have it like a stand-alone travel log with Kyle when the show because we're still gonna have shows every week but we will be releasing you know pre-taped shows so do we do this as a stand-alone surprise one day or we just throw it in Thursday's pot it's 15 minutes I don't know that's like I love that I kind of think it's great though yeah I won't I vote on its own I vote we just drop it special

surprise some in the next couple of weeks and when people see it's going to be I love that nation there's no rule it just this is no rule it has to be an hour of pontificating about sourdough bullshit let's just have an episode that magically appears so that way you know sub numbers are good so I don't know if this is some sort of gimmick but yeah just have a stand-alone Kyle he has to read the intro yes to the teases I'm gonna do the draft get stuff yeah yeah you do

man pretty cool that I did that one ad read never when lost their minds because I had like a weird

non-confident low voice I forget what that was it was like a couple of years ago if you were like

“what the hell was that I think you were gone and I had to read it there was some sort of thing”

it was bad so I'm looking to redeem myself there that'll work awesome awesome calm dude I love that entrance okay so we've got that covered and then today was Sean Swiny who this is never happened before as we finish up and he's still on the zoom he says hey is Kyle here yeah like what it's like we get into a fight 10 years ago somewhere and pickupsy what's going on now so you guys had met as a cigar bar before yeah after he left

I was just talking to Serity you ran a teleroom for some reason but I think you can still hear us with your AirPods and stuff if you're in range but I was just I heard it all I was just telling

him like those first two summer leagues like I was basically just acting like I was in Vegas and

Tate was kind of leading me around and Tate like you know basketball guy he's a relationship guy and you know I heard Sean Swiny's name for a lot you know a lot of my career I guess because Tate's known him forever and everyone's in a while Tate will just like pull up to someone you know what it's like in the wind when you're just moving around in there you run into guys yeah and he was I think one of the guys that I was with but again I was just sort of super

unprofessional in Vegas the first year or two so that one made it slip through the cracks but once once he told me about it I remember to immediately he was just fairly though I don't know man I don't know being in those you know get the biggest thing I remember about

that first one was just getting removed from the the arena because I had beers in the media section

with my sunglasses on it's like looking back it's so Tate was like do mid to cup checks all that that sucks I was like sorry so you know I really started to tighten up after that one but yeah those first that first one specifically was just I don't remember a ton well it sounds like you've got a place to stay when you're in the greater Orlando area yeah yeah I think he likes you a lot what is that was that the orphan commercial take me fishing

can we get IT on that you know what we're going to look up orphan commercial yeah all right it's this is an eight gap thing or just like half oh definitely yeah I mean I don't know how old that at is what year to come out sirty I type an orphan commercial or for commercial fishing maybe we go foster care I feel like orphan is a harsher term foster care feels a little softer yeah I'm getting like YouTube feel good stuff I don't think

“that's what it is to get a lot of some orphanage farm yeah it's not it yeah it was like third”

world country videos where the guy builds like a hot tub out of clay that's what I'm getting right now basically I do and then it's like an Arkansas all right I did a little bit there I'm going to find that I'm going to find that quote but yeah that was a good one that was a big win for me and then I think Max Homa had a surprising like you know no new I was sort of deal so those were two big ones yeah feeling good today my LL being stuff yeah so here and stuff I

want that's the last gonna be the only problem as we can't really pepper you with questions about the Dan Berry experience until this thing air is right so I'm going to just say LL being was awesome and uh wish we had wish we had more of those when you said champs sports I just I you're like yeah I'm only gonna hit up champs I was like yeah let's go oh it's just one of those that's not it's not in the area there's like other stuff but uh see what a Connecticut lids hold you know

Patriots options I'll tell you that that's good to know all right a couple feedback emails here

this was an interesting one that may have made me change my mind about our cat guy that was like Katie's cat sort of suck can I get rid of him yeah collectively we were like that's sort of on you to do that we had a guy with somebody else said about that at this opinion you're a human they are animals how about enjoy your limited time on earth I don't know meaning what like get him out

“of there right now yeah that's what it just throw them outside yeah you're a human I mean you should”

have more money than you have right now go take some I mean where does it end I don't know yeah that sucks I mean I don't know what else needs to be said you have to go to the bathroom right now don't look for a bathroom you're a human in your time go buy it in the street I don't know that that's what he said I know it's not but I mean where does that I don't know man there's some there's some level as you get older of like personal responsibility

where it's like hey dude like you made this decision like these animals didn't ask you to adopt them and like now you put them in a bad spot like here maybe maybe fall through on on something I don't know just the thought I think both good points both good points but uh it's not going to go over well that email's not going to go over well I just thought it was efficient to the point that

guys is that guy a terrible roommate is a great roommate selfless lover so you always know what

you're getting this you always know what you're getting this is something I need to clean up because we it came I keep pointing out Westbrook as as my if Westbrook grew up playing soccer he would be good at soccer because I think he's the best athlete I've ever seen play basketball um and we've gotten this email a couple times here I I think I'm open of having my mind change for this specific reason Westbrook would be an awful soccer player love the pod generally agree with your

soccer tastes but saying Westbrook growing up playing soccer to be great as dumb Westbrook is a 17 year vet still makes the same obvious mistake 17 years in he's not a winning player he couldn't figure out basketball how could he figure out soccer um fair point because obviously there's elements of Westbrook's game that I'm not a huge fan of despite being a neighbor with his athleticism which I'll even get push back onto that um but I think he's the best athlete that's ever playing the NBA but if you want

to hammer me on like hey he makes these simple mistakes and mental lapses I guess I wasn't really looking at that way I was looking at his size his conditioning his athleticism if that guy grows

“up playing soccer if you want to make it more specific now that I have to pick a smaller quick”

athlete with great conditioning that doesn't ever make any mistakes I have to pick a receiver that like doesn't do anything wrong um like you got me but maybe I'll stop saying Westbrook I just have a hard time believing that Westbrook the athlete would be a bad thing growing up

in your soccer I the one that you always said or the one that that when it were be said that I thought

you should have said is it's like oh don't back in junior right because he's like why he's six is he six feet is he five eleven great athlete he actually has like a bit of a soccer background now like I think a lot of those guys that like oh like he plays football but he's also good at soccer it's like hey man you can like kick a ball maybe he could juggle a little bit like you're not actually good at soccer um shout-outs are you guys Christian Gonzalez is he a soccer guy I

don't say what if he wants he's big that was he likes he's like somebody got a new pat slid yeah that's a little patch on the side of that yeah the numbers hero um yeah I always went back to suit like slot receivers you know would Westbrook or be a good fallback probably you know what about I mean Julian Edelman goes from quarterback to probably Hall of Fame career I don't know if he gets internet but usually you win enough the NFL I think they're Hall of Fame

the pro football Hall of Fame rewards winning with its players which I think is terrific but like if Edelman you go from college quarterback to that level of of wide receiver like you don't think jewels wouldn't figure out soccer if he star I mean maybe it does I mean to sit there and say like oh he is guaranteed to be on the US match men's national team is it is a bit of a stretch to make even make that statement but you know we don't need to get bogged down at all this again I may adjust

my Westbrook example though but that's but really gets a fair point that's by that logic wouldn't you say that like any professional athlete who just decided you want to play a different sport

“at a certain age would just be a pro that's what you're saying Kyla Murray what is kidding not necessarily”

no because I mean even I was listening to lock the driver I'm at Montana so much last week can I just do an aside on Montana real quick I went to a rodeo kale Smith all time ride all time ride he just his mouth is going full steam right into the aluminum railings of the crowd full steam ahead and kale didn't

just smashing into the railing on a horse as fast as he possibly could and kale controlled it

“he controlled his emotions he got his eight seconds I think he won team roping his way harder”

back guys just a brutal brutal then they brought out the little buckaroos the first time I saw that I'm like what the hell did something get loose I'm like there's a kid on there with a hockey mask

just they never they never stay on that he's got a great name yeah it's got a great name I love all

their names too all the names are incredible it's like they're born to ride it's like this is what this is your path you're a rooting toot and broken that's so but I love it so much out here I mean it was like fake fake world to be there for a week and then still be able to work and then I had like two other things so it was an awesome I bought a new hat to Kyle hat buddies yeah but I would say if I were far younger and maybe the social scene isn't going that well for me I think there's a real side door

into socializing and maybe even women start a new out there because I used to despise snowboarder smoke weed every night guy with no personality back in college because I go he's not really there's not a lot there guys yeah and then girls would like them like he doesn't even have to do anything he's

just he always has weed and he just came from the mountain and then everybody just says he's he's chill

like no yeah yeah I've never heard him say anything interesting he's not funny I don't even know if he's fast like straight line just like I'm not there there are decent yeah that's no border guys I'm not saying it's ugly but I wouldn't say he's hot all right so don't get me started a ladder

“of it yeah I think if I were like in my 20s or something I would grow out some sort of”

riley green thing you know maybe hit the curls and it's sure you know it helps if you're tall obviously but maybe you wouldn't be in the situation in the first place but I think you could just mill around these communities for little squirrel snaps yeah exactly Kyle exactly I think there's a way to kind

of read but then you know you don't want to be Don Cheadle and boogie nights where it's like what's

fuck is this you know this you didn't ease this into this at all man like this is a lot so I think you'd have to like I maybe I'm doing it right now I don't even maybe this is about me I didn't even realize it so you had it back to summer there right you usually go twice I usually go twice yeah I want to go to the I'm going to go to the other parts of Montana everybody says don't go to I want to I want to be well rounded yeah that'll that'll up your

chops a little bit definitely if you're feeling any sort of you know imposter syndrome yeah go go to one of those places come back in some stories I have you got the Idaho and all those so that's well I was gonna say Idaho you ever see like that thing where people would like they'll circle like a little like little sliver Idaho that connects the cannon there's like what's going on up here like what are we who's up here about like what's going on I don't know a lot I've driven through it

but that was not my favorite day all right I don't want to give anything a chance there

“I remember it was like I was like oh yeah nine years ago that's where you had that super depressing”

burger before you go on your flight postman it was a good time it was like oh the most depressed burger you've ever had was right in there but the thing is I put my head up I walked down the fucking street in high five and strangers like let's get some lines in the water you know what you get to do alright adult swim rules this one's long six two two hundred early 40s more of a three sets of 12 than a max out type of guy have been told my looks comp as a poor man's John Ham Jesus that's like

still one of the hottest guys going yeah it's awesome he sent us a note here we appreciate the note but because it's long keep moving and good to hear all the good news all right back to the email my wife and I live in a major east coast city have a ten-month-old rather than travel further to our pre-baby destinations we joined one of the beach clubs in our outside of the city I'm a part of the boutique law firm my wife is a financial analyst so we're sadly upper middle class for our area

as such the beach club isn't totally our scene because these places seem to be a bit of a time warp where Murray and Gertie have been going for over 40 years shout out to them um and they have theme parties each week where people do things like wear a large team who uncle Sam hats anyway there's a pretty decent pool of pretty decent beach I've debated about joining a country club I just don't know that I'm gonna be great at those events so I don't know I've noticed that

a lot of people like you don't have to you don't have to you don't have to you don't have to get a

beach and the teenagers who work there make everything entirely convenient fitting our new

“parents lifestyle as acknowledged interlopers into this slightly odd and amusing subculture”

we have been on our best behavior by say tipping generously being friendly to anyone who wants to talk to us today though I apparently stepped out of line and retribution was swift over the years adult swim has taken on many meanings in many context but today I'd like to talk about an actual OG adult swim from 10 30 a.m. to 11 a.m. and 2 30 p.m. to 3 p.m. adult swim takes place at our beach club all the kids sadly leave the pool except for the few bold ones who forced the life

life guards to kick them out and octagarians who come out of the woodwork and then stand around though OGenerians um sorry OGenerians come out of the woodwork and stand around

convincing with each other for what seems like the best half hour of their day anyway

highlight for sure it's the highlight yeah so it sounds like we're going to have a good old adult swim rule face off thing all right it's a couple more paragraphs anyway right before the afternoon session of adult swim today it was my turn to watch our 10 month old for a bit I hit the pool my dudes in a great mood we're gently baby splashing off to the side all by ourselves adults swim starts I don't think much of it because surely no one's going to take a fence to a dad playing

was obviously happy baby off the side of the pool that's where I was wrong about five minutes into adult swim the friendly overly brawn 16 year old lifeguard comes up to me says sir I'm sorry this isn't coming for me but there have been complaints about you being in the pool of your

“son you have to get out of it uh not being one to a costume age is under summer jobs I just say okay”

and start getting out of the pool however as I'm walking up the steps in my back is literally burned a few of the regulars take the opportunity to heckle me in my infant son weekly weasing out a few admonishments like he isn't an adult they call it adult swim now I'm not a bad person but I'm not an actual good to turn the other cheek type of person either still I say nothing back I proceed to walk to my wife as I'm explaining to her what just transpired and idea dawns and

made the old timers decided to focus on the adult part of the swim but I could very easily just focus on the swim part of the adult swim my wife is essentially my morality barometer and when I tell her my plan she mostly just smiles and musely so I've got her green light now I didn't go full on Michael Phelps on the circle of kibitsing murries but I made it clear to them through my actions when I got back in the pool that about 15% of the pool was now my swimming lane for the rest of adult swim

and they were now going to have to confine themselves to the other 85% there were some grumbling and a bit of testing my will by a few of the murries but they back down and I find swam by them

at full speed a few times so if you're consideration two sets of questions first adult swim should

it be black and white Val shell not participate until you're old enough to join the army type of thing and an observed circumstances do any not adults belong in the pool or are there potential case by case exceptions like a dad watching is happy quite infant off to the side to preserve mom's sanity assuming of the baby started misbehaving I'm socially cognizant enough to leave the pool on my own second response to infant heckling which I'm going to go out of limb and assume

you'll all come down against did my retribution of taking up 15% of the pool during the chair's adult swim fit the crime I'll just say this part I mean a out about your wrong it's one of these people get to 30 minute windows where they feel like they've taken back something like whether it's stupid or not like whatever I'm resigned to that and when people start talking about like yeah I know what the rule is but my kid just wants to do this I kind of become out I don't have a kid I understand

the you know you want to give your kids everything you didn't have and even more and you want to be happy kids but as soon as we start talking about squirting around the explicit rules because my kid just wants to do this I think that's nothing against the kid there shouldn't be any infant heckling going on but you've lost me and I think you've lost the plot once you're like yeah but my kid like I understand but you're wrong that's all say right it's kind of like the

beach pool I think right like one person like you start making excuses for things and you know all right then like all next thing you know like 10 babies are in the pool and then it's like hey just there's like a kid's section of the pool and if I'm gonna yeah like if I'm gonna an older adult and I get to enjoy his cows like one hour of the day to myself if kids not can't have long

“separate parts yeah yeah like I remember so like I we had a we were we I think was high school”

middle school high school we belonged to a pool club in town growing up shot at the mountain growth and that's a kid like that was the end of the world there was like 30 minute windows were like brutal like such a good dog you'll be fine and you're just like how could this possibly be a thing and then like you're in a dog and you're like oh yeah because like you know if I belong to this thing like I just want a little bit of peace and quiet just like not have like

you know pool noodles being thrown at me or what God knows what from these kids so I yeah it sucks

are wrong here this is this is like you couldn't just this is this is also a pool and a beach club

you couldn't like go to the beach part like there's got to be something else some other place body of water situation there's not a kitty pool that you could have taken your baby to like

“you have to be in the main pool for this like I just maybe there isn't and I'm just you know”

that was your only option but yeah like this is an L it's I mean these people move states to communities where they don't even let middle-aged people in so if they want 30 they want the 30 minutes a lot to them without children whatever it's it is what it is I mean I almost get like I almost treat it like kids again it's like just let them have the thing it's fine you know so

yeah I think you're wrong you would you say things like to preserve my wife's sanity I'm just

gonna stay in during adult swim it's like you're you're you're sloughing your problems off on that other people's when there's rules about it and I listen I want to be on your side of what you continue to listen but I just think your perspective's a little off when it comes old people you got to use maybe kid gloves yeah yeah I think you guys are right I mean there's there's two windows here I'm we're like to be on the email side like them heckling you but you got to

understand like you're new here somebody's tried to pull this move probably every week if ever summer for like 60 years at these other people you're going there all right so they have no no patience whatsoever for like new guy going I'm sure this is fine and yes is your kid doing anything no does it mean they're anti-baby no but it's pretty defined 10 30 to 11 230 to 3 all those other minutes or years all those other minutes you can do whatever you want

and if you've ever been to like anything that's resembling a community pool to even a high-end country club where then kids are allowed in on the social membership like through the family like people that join it golf course but they only do it for the social membership just so their kids can go fucking wild and order a thousand wraps on their number number like that's not relaxing it's

“it isn't so I think you have to look at them and go all right so fine the kid is under a year”

then what two you know it's like okay it's okay for adults and then babies under one like you just can't even a month be looks to yeah you're argument is this kid is not disrupting anything that they're doing it's not about you it's not about your baby it's a fight against the progression of what is the point of us having adult swim time and and now you're you've also pissed them off even further with the 50% lap pool thing I mean maybe you're not looking

to make friends I told you understand that but you know I I imagine you're going to be getting some looks now even beyond that yeah the caddy shack caddies welcome wonder 115 I mean these people you got to think like this is like a small part of your day like these people are already talking about tomorrow's adults swim today like this is important to them and it's like really when they just have less when you don't work you have much less going on

“and the little things become so much more important and I think a little bit of grace is involved in this”

I I I will say I think there is a part of the old the old crew what are they at the octilians what you call might even talk to the engineers yeah I love that I think there's a part of them that also love that you did this so they can like just discipline someone though like they actually like this they want they want to put you in your place which I get that does just that would piss me off too but hey man don't I don't don't feed their don't feed their ego right they were they were hungry for

higher up and to lay down the law yeah like oh yeah Georgia let him have it today yeah another another new doesn't get it yeah all right I think we've covered that one um do we do uh this guy sent it twice it's really that important all right 6135 mid 50's bench 419 oh bye we read it now well squat 575 deadlift 596 and no there's not lifetime PRs from Bush administration all within the last year mid 50's bro I was I'm afraid I didn't I didn't know I'm going to

catch you the first time yeah apologies all within the last year no basketball cops peaked early

the MVP my 7th and 8th grade teams where I absolutely dominant the pain until everyone else inconveniently kept growing a developed actual basketball skills one of our departments get an in term leader while the regular manager is out on medical leave new guys probably early 40's good looking dude in shape dressed well very normal and friendly we've talked a handful of times about work life et cetera totally good guy but here's the issue

quote this guy probably has his passport renewed before expiration kind of smell but a great description I'm not a clone guy at all last bottle I owned was bought for me by my x-boy 15 years ago and I'm pretty sure I ceremony threw it away sometime during the divorce process but I'm engaged now I started thinking maybe it wouldn't kill me to occasionally smell like something other than Irish spring and Costco hoodie so my question is how does one grown man who had his one grown straight man

asked another grown straight man about what colonies wearing without making the interaction weird because of my head hey man not to get near personal business here but whatever we haven't sent wise too many were strong work too many words but he says that feels insane is this actual normal guy behavior am I overthinking it or is there a better way to phrase this appreciate it 315 on incline no experience with fragrance some guys actually find it long some guys are like

evangelists for their sense sounds like this guy cool probably wouldn't be as you know excited to tell you but I had a guy at 4th July over it's like it's like like this I was like I got my own set I'm a DJ light blue guy because he's like he's like this is clone it's called clone and you just you can get everything you want just tell what you like and he's like trying to push it out of me I'm like thanks man I'm not going to go to the website I appreciate it but it's like

you can't both get fedores just like just they'll make it for you and it's not that 12

let's shit it's that parfoo I'm like that sounds good but like he's always you know you like pulled

two out of his backpacks like I got this one too and like that's a guy that exists not as many of those dudes but you know there's there's a scale where some of them are actually excited that you

“like what they smell like they're happy to do it and I think they're probably a few less dudes on”

the other side they're like that's weird that you could probably just say what does that do what does that Hello that's it simple is that be cool I'm not a colon guy I don't I couldn't even tell you the last time I like I actually put colon on but I don't think this is weird I just does ask him why is that odd I don't you know it's a compliment but like hey man I give you if you're don't be like don't be weird about it but just be like if you guys talk and you said you talk about things he's a cool guy clearly you

guys have some sort of relationship you like hey man I'm trying to get into the colon game like what's your what's your as you smell good like what's going on like it doesn't have to be like awkward I

don't know like it's always wondering if I could smell your neck a little closer to confirm

that I like the way you smell yeah like some sort of steel and pieces as close and try to figure it out like to say I don't just ask or mean the emailer is funny so this guy has like a good way about yeah you will have to do yeah and if this guy's got some like exploratory by rato hybrid thing

“where it's like hey actually because I will argue that I think some of the more feminine stuff smells”

better on men just because of the ferramones and the way it works that was my pivot late in the game where it's like you don't have to smell like Vietnam you can you know you can you can take them back go aspect out of it yeah you can spray something on a sample and be like this smells a little flowery a little bouquetish and then it's like yeah but throw it on you with a strong male musk you know just put all that stuff in the beaker I could come off break and then the next thing

you know like it goes going what the fuck is that and you just go it's actually women's perfume so I don't know if you're ready for that all right if you're going Costco if you're going Costco hoodie I was spraying you're not ready for that okay but what I'm telling you is if this guy is into it and you look like was this guy said he's I've already the bench numbers through me up yeah but that the last guy was the poor man's John Hamm by the way if you look like

“John Hamm anything fucking close to that galaxy at the pool maybe you should get away with having”

a baby in the pool but I promise you because again I think you're funny in the way you send in that email if you just go hey I have to ask I use Irish spring what the fuck do you have going on yeah like what is that where is that even start like what was your journey to get to smelling like this and if you've already talked to him few times he's probably going to appreciate it's like asking somebody who has a nice watch on hey is that what kind of watches that I'd love to have maybe

he'll tell you to yell like you don't want to start here but you can this is the level one like this is where you start and you can kind of give you some advice to build up your confidence on that you know or if I could use that guy I because like my my colonial experience like I feel like you know back in the day it was like you know you should just smell like to rise the point you're like walking room and fix someone punching the face because you're wearing some sort of like Abercrombie how I'll

start thing and then I was like off of it for a while I just never have gotten back onto it so I don't

know I'm I couldn't even tell you what's cool now well I tell both of you you know what go into the make going your own adventure pop into macy's make that lady's day at the fucking perfume counter

today and this dying macy's go in there and spend 15 minutes you know they're going to be so happy to

“hate you that Tom for rainbow don't let it intimidate you okay that lady wants to sell you”

some yes and she went her manager to see that she is not sneaking uh Instagram time on her phone behind the watch case that she's also manning the the jewelry and the in the perfume like do that take

your own adventure and then if you're still not satisfied that you can go and then if you

need it it's tough you can say you know what I actually was trying the top four thing actually you know

“no I didn't get a little thing this year I think I need to I need to I don't know I'm not comfortable”

I just get nervous go ahead I want to go to next it's a cows next day and very mall trip I feel like

I need to go because I think he he does the mall right I don't know that I do the mall right I don't

know if I've ever done the mall right and I feel like I just need him to like show me what to do like you know like he's just he's my guide to to the stores talking to people the secret tricks you know I need it yeah palestades maybe maybe meet up at the palestades hmm sometimes I wish Kyle were single and then so we would have to like go with them to stuff I'm gonna be like what how is the food court it's like well met some girls but yeah we shared us that's to be chicken samples

then we went our separate ways back to the Rolling Bowley days free samples look out all right

“that'll do it for the show today I think it might just be a fishing thing and there were no”

orphans involved because I was trying to I don't know yeah you want to shout out our Friday feedback so we don't have to make an edit later well I was going to play the writing too but they're out here as well yeah we'll do a tease but we'll close it out as well Friday feedback [email protected] we haven't unleashed that beast in a while so any critiques and he complains anything that you think that you like about us I don't even know what it's just other than a mailbag

it's just a mailbag and we were doing it to keep the YouTube stuff going but it's actually we haven't done one it's so long that we'll just do it that way so again Friday feedback [email protected] to have a release while the show is not necessarily live for a couple weeks here as I plan the next longer this travel pot is going to be a monster so no days off that'll do it for the Ryder Solar Show thanks to everybody on the show and also a monster sports

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