OKC Up 3–2 & Beating Up Wemby, Plus Channing Frye on the Knicks’ Finals Chances & 2016 Cavs-Warriors Stories

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Because I think he has been a massive part of where the series is at right now. Play 31 minutes last night, six-eight from the floor, 15 rebounds. After game 1, he played 12 minutes, and I wondered, "All right, is this going to be one of those series where the preference for OKC is that he's not going to be out there at the time?" And that, again, had Jayne and Williams been healthy.

“He would be the primary defender on Wemby. That's what I thought was their preference”

from the regular season stuff that I went back and watched. That mattered. We obviously had Caruso draped all over Weminyama for a good chunk of that. I do wonder if a thunder felt like, "Can we really get away with Caruso against this guy for like 27 or 35 minutes that he's going to be out there?" Probably not. I think eventually that probably wouldn't have worked out.

And, you know, if you look at Heart and Stein in his regular season minutes, he played in

three games against San Antonio 24, 26 and 20 minutes. So that 12 minutes in that first game is

like a departure from what had been in the regular season, but still thinking that their preference would be Jayne and Williams. Well, he's not available because he's been out in the hamstring injury. I mentioned the fear is probably the long term of trying to get away with that with Caruso. And I don't think Chek can defend Weminyama throughout the entire night so that brings you back to Heart and Stein. Who, if you go back to the playoffs last year, 27 minutes again in that series

against Denver, then it was at 20 minutes again against Minnesota and then games six and seven against the Pacers. He played 16 and 18 minutes. So there were times you could see that they would kind of pull the plug on it because they probably still love the idea of Chek as you're five and all these other matchups, not against San Antonio. And then just put shooters everywhere and it's going to open things up. But you can get mad about the clips of what Heart and Stein does against

Weminyama. But, I mean, this is the whole fucking point. The assistant coaches in all the film work and all the prep work and the game planning this out, they don't care. All right, they don't care

toll because I thought Weminyama looked absolutely out of it last night, especially in that first half.

There's a couple clips that I'll point out and get to where I'm like, "All right, this doesn't look like a guy that's meeting the moment here the way we were expecting after what we saw in game one. Not to say that he's going to be game one. Hey, best player in the world belt is mine. Every single moment, I'm going to look like the best player in every one of these games.

“Against OKC, that's damn you're impossible. But I think the physical toll showed like it was”

paying a bit of it. You was paying a bit of a price for that last night. First half stats have been revealing for Weminyama and shot attempts and rebounds depending on the, you know, whether or not San Antonio is going to win last night in the first half. He had six shot attempts only one rebound. If you go through all the other games, game one, he was six of 11 from the floor with 10 rebounds in the first half. Game two loss game three loss. He was two or four five rebounds, two or five

three rebounds. Game four they win. He was seven to 15 with four rebounds. This stuff can change. He can have a really big night in game six. They could get this thing even and go back to OKC. That is certainly within the realm of what could likely happen with them going back home. It's not as simple as Weminyama. Just hey, take more shots in the first half. So that means we're going to win the game. But last night, it was very, very clear that this has gotten really

hard for him. And there's a couple other things here because he's not getting deep enough. I wonder if they're going to want to keep sending these highball screens. I thought both teams last night for a good chunk of the night were starting their stuff really high. Where the benefit of that is hey, you get a little momentum. If you're coming off that screen, you've got all this space to work with. If Weminyama's coming up and we're using his guy to screen, which is not

something I think that they want to keep doing, then maybe that pulls him too far away from the hoop. The other side for San Antonio, maybe it allows them to feel like heart and spine so far away. And if Chad isn't in, there's no shot blocking in there. So this is really good. The downside is that the perimeter players San Antonio, once Weminyama's maybe set the screen, they're never even thinking about him again. Now, yes, Weminyama could get deeper position.

He's going to have to just find a way will away into getting better position with this. But something that I was tracking this morning, but I don't know if they had a more seasoned

“point guard. I know that's what Deer and Fox is supposed to be. He is not. But with Castle”

being new to this Harper being new to this bacel being kind of like, hey, once I get the ball and probably shooting. Same thing for champ any kelvin's offense is, you know, hit or miss. But it feels like if Weminyama ever had a chance to get back into the player get better position after

the first things already happened, they're never going to be patient enough to wait for him to do that.

I looked at shot attempts for some of the perimeter players last night. Let's start with Fox, who started one of nine. With Weminyama on the floor, he took nine shot attempts where Weminyama has nothing to do with any of it. Nothing. So I'm sure part of it's like, hey, Fox, we want you to go fast, but that seems like a waste. He had one drive where that two man stuff with those two guys that I've actually liked so many times throughout the playoffs where Fox gets a screen, gets

to the paint, drives, miss the layup, but Weminyama's there because he's following the play because he was so much closer to the basket when they actually started this. Those other nine attempts, he has nothing to do with anything that Fox is doing. And again, these shot chart things that I'm doing and recapping all this stuff, it's not a perfect representation of like, hey, here's this fundamental problem. He needs to be in on every one of these shot attempts that's happening. That's

not going to happen, but it feels a bit like a trend here. Castle with Weminyama on the floor,

but never involving him in anything that he's doing on these shot attempts. There's nine shot attempts

there where Weminyama has nothing to do with anything that Castle's doing. There's a screen where Castle doesn't even look at him again, so that's one that isn't in the non-Weminyama being even involved. There's another screen where Weminyama's dealing with heart esteen against him, heart-stime, excuse me. And then SGA just leaves Castle and stays Weminyama just in case, which is a great explanation of like, on somebody's place, you're like, how can we can't get

deeper and you're like, do you realize what he's dealing with on that? There's one play, the Harper ones don't really even matter here. There's one play under five minutes to go in the first half

“where Weminyama's the last guy across half core in an alarming way of like, hey, where is he?”

There's another play that I thought was really interesting, where it ends up being that Castle super deep, three often offensive rebound that makes it 8776. Weminyama clearly is like thinking about

All right. So he sprints from like the left side to the right block and it's just determined on this play. Like, I don't care what's happening. Who I run into, I'm just going to get deeper.

And then let's see what happens. The problem is the first person that greets him is Jalen Williams

who chucks him. So like, that's the first thing he deals with before even gets to where he's trying to go. Chat has Kelvin Johnson in the corner behind the play and he's completely ignoring Kelvin Johnson and he's draped all over Weminyama. Now, on this play, there's a really open side

“for I think Facelo has the ball so you could say, hey, this is working out. He's kind of got like”

a one on one with a lot of space and both bigs are on the other side of the pain. But they can ignore Kelvin because they know that passes and going to happen. But watching this play where it's like, hey, Weminy decided, I need to get deeper right now. I'm going to do it. It's like, oh, cool. This guy body checks me. And now I've got a seven foot two guy. I'm giving him a piggyback. And the funny thing is is that ignoring Kelvin led him, be able to tip it out and offensive rebound

for Castle to hit the three. So you could look at this play and say, well, what, okay, see, did there actually didn't work and they gave up a three pointer. But that's not what I'm looking at. I'm looking at, hey, he was assertive. He was like, I can't keep settling. I can't keep floating outside of the three point line here. I can't keep getting ignored when the perimeter guys are just going and get shots up without ever thinking maybe I could get back into this play. And then it's like,

“oh, and this is what was waiting for me while I did it. So yeah, the play work, but I'm sure okay,”

see, love the way they defended it. And we're totally happy. Like, all right, fine, whatever. Like, Kelvin got a tip out, Castle hits a 30 footer. We'll take it every time. So yeah, look, it's hard. It's really hard. And it's going to be hard. The rest of your career in the playoffs, because this is the attention that you're going to demand because you're this special. But I'm not saying tapped out or anything like that. I'm not being that aggressive or that negative about it. But like,

this is, this is what it is. This is what the challenge is when it's this time of the year and a championship is on the line. I don't have a ton of time on the officiating clips that made the rounds from last night. I would admit, if you're grossed out by play, I am likely grossed out to. I don't think the officiating had much to do with the outcome last night. Yeah, the McCain elbow and then him falling down and getting the call clip. I hated that one as much as you hated it.

Jaylin Williams running into Kelvin Johnson and then falling down. And it's called an illegal

“screen. I hated that clip too. I think castles out of control with some of these, like I'm not”

saying every foul call on him as a legitimate one. But he's probably fouling 20 times a game. And you know, he's going to end up having this foul trouble dance every single night. If he can't manage his fouls a little bit better, especially the ones that he's giving up free throws from. Okay, C is in the bonus. The problem that okay C is running into as far as the likeability

thing is it's it's almost always been like an accepted thing where you go, hey, if you have one

guy that falls down all the time, like, yeah, whatever. It's kind of what happens in a league and it's sucks. And maybe it happens like twice a game or that guy's reported with a call or it's, you know, the falling down on screens thing is out of control with this team. So clearly, they coach all the stuff up. And yeah, the McCain one felt like, did he do that fill in or remember doing that fill in here? Okay, C fans, you just have to understand like you're not allowed to have more than one

guy that falls down all the time. If you have four people are going to get pissed at it. And maybe you'll be winning back to back titles, not worrying about how everybody got pissed about. Everybody falling down all the time. But I don't think that had to do anything. The outcome of the game last night was not about that. It's about aren't starting. It's about McCain. You know, it's it's about a lot of really good things that okay, C has has built. And the fact that they have this

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Give things started today. We're going to talk with Shining Fry who was doing a live show road tripping. So by the time this comes out that live show will have already happened with good friends RJ who's been on the pot of bun. Obviously, Perk and Ali Clifton. So a chaining an NBA champ in a long time. Better this thing. Thanks for joining us today. Thank you for having me. Man, this is good. Get some talking down by not a clock PSD.

That's right. And you can just get warmed up for the road tripping crew and, you know, let Perk take the helm. I guess. Sometimes you've got to rain it back now.

Rick and back. Come on. Rick and back. There's a video of him getting mad at an A you game

and other people would be worried. And he was like, I'll do it again. So he's like, yeah, he's going to talk about that. He was like, yo, I have to address this. We're like, oh, boy, section out 15 minutes for a five minutes story. Let's let's talk about game five last night.

“This is as we knew going into it. Like the matchup we all wanted. And I think the defense”

on women y'all might become the story kind of where it's gone, where it was last night. What did you see with what happened with him last night? I mean, where do we start? If you, if you don't appreciate every little minute detail of both teams, both teams, you just don't like basketball. This is, you know, the narrative social media wise is going to be these fouls and this and that, but at the end of the day, okay, see the coaching, the culture, the role players who are

starring in their role, if I were to watch this series, right? And I would say, how much you think Heart and Stines getting paid? I said, oh, he got to be a top five guy in the center for what he's doing for his job. Like he is, he has completely transformed what okay see is allowed to do defensively. Starting in his role, you look at Alex Caruso. You look at every guy that's come off of okay see's bench. They have been so on point with what they need to do. And to me,

on the flip side of that, the spurs are just seem to be one tiny step behind at times of how to

“adjust in game. You know what I'm saying? I think when Wemby doesn't get touches, he's too much”

of a good teammate. Like yesterday, I don't think he shot the ball for nine minutes. You're like yo, brother. Like walk the ball, call a timeout, move it up to half court, go down somewhere in a post, and go touch the ball within the pain. Like at least one time, just touch it in it. So, I mean, give credit to both teams. I think this spurs under winning next game, but I think okay see from what I've seen is just they just got too many, too many gunners, man, too many big guns.

Yeah, the depth shows itself, especially with James Williams being out, who's, you know, on the verge of coming off the last year, you're like, he's a top 15 player league, right? Not having AJ and Mitchell when Williams is out, because you're like, all right, well, at least they Jay provides him on ball stuff. So, those two guys are out, and then game for you're like, okay, this is now a problem, and then it comes back to that defense. And I want to talk to you about

the touches, because it's something I noticed last night, something I spent more time on this morning,

“is that I think it's really simple to say, hey, Wemby and Yama has to get more touches. And I think”

that's, that's true. I don't have like all this evidence to provide, look, like, oh, there's actually no chance for more touches. But I wonder, I'm thinking about, do you think when they have him out there and he's setting a really high ball screen that, whether it's a lack of experience or that they want Fox to go fast, they want castes to go fast, that it seems like once Wemby and Yama setting a screen, he feels like this like old school five, or it's like, thanks for the screen, man,

and then they never are thinking about him ever again. And maybe it's him just being so far away

that they've kind of given up on him, because I think there's, there seems to be this this constant thing of where once he set that screen, all of the ball handlers no longer think about him as an option because he's so far away. Right. I think give credit again. We're going to give credit a heart and sign. If we watch the film and I go back all the time, he is playing early 2000s, pick you up at half court basketball. Like you could see their game plan, Wemby is not allowed

for the most part to get a running start anywhere. So every time he's running down the court, somebody has two hands in his chest holding him up, tiring him out. So, you know, as a boxer, you want to lean on somebody, they're standing him up. So we can't get any running start. And I think even when he does, you notice when he screens, heart and time takes a step to decide to

In the NBA, if you can play 4 and 4, you should be able to execute and score off of those opportunities. So for me, this spurs are saying, hey, we can't just look at Wemby, look at Wemby, we have to

“loosen up, okay, see, by attacking the rack, attacking the rack. There's no shop blockers back there, right?”

If Chet is up high, like in the slot, right? Who's shop blocking? AJ Mitchell, Jared McCain. And you notice they were trying to go at Jared McCain early and give credit to him. He was standing his ground. He wasn't getting beat. They were playing good 101 defense.

And for Wemby, the problem is when you have young guards like this, they see opportunity

without seeing the film. And this is where I was saying they're a step behind. They're just, I mean, this is where the youth, and I mean, the little bit, it's not an excuse, but I'm saying, this is where older veteran guards, right? Would have said, you know what? I got to start this lower. So Wemby doesn't have a such a long run or I got to do an empty side screen and roll so nobody can jam him because even when he does it from top of the key,

he's getting pushed to three, four times by time he gets to the paint and S2 slow. He's just, it takes him too long to wind up the go-go gadget arms. I mean, it's a great game plan, but they have to get heart and size body off of him. And that's just the fact. Yeah, it's, I was watching again this morning, like certain possessions and you just go, you know, I'll share this one with you because I really talked about it. It's like,

there's that castle deep three off an offensive rebound, okay? But the whole play you can see Wemby is going, I need to get to the paint. Like, I'm going in the action sprints into the paint,

and the first thing waiting for him is Jane and Williams just chipping him.

Yeah, just chucks him. Yeah. Okay, Chet has held in in the corner behind him and Chet's like, I don't care, but because the balls on the other side, so this is, you're not even going to swing it to him over all of these bodies. No. So now I'm going to be draped onto Wemby's back. And they give up the offensive rebound because they've completely ignored Keldon, and then you could say, well, wait a minute, that's a bad play because they gave up the three, but you can see

in that play. It's like, oh, Wemby had all this intention. He wanted to get into the paint. He's trying to fight for position, because he realizes the same thing in the other season. Like, he's just not getting deep enough consistently. But then when you see what he's actually dealing with on that specific play, you go, well, what was the option with him in this play, even though it actually worked out for points for San Antonio? Because it's, it's to your point.

It's that first hit. It's like chipping an edge rusher, and then now I'm, it's like the tight end

pushes you, but you still have a tackle and a running back behind you, totally. Because it's like, now, I'm, I've already done my job, and now I can go do something else. He's too big, and at the end of the day, there's one guy on San Antonio that could beat you by himself. There's one guy, right? And so you're saying, Kelvin Johnson, what's he going to get 20? Okay? Well, we got somebody, we got Jeremy Kane to get 20. We got Alex Cruz, so get 20. We got Chet to get 20, but Wemby can get 45.

And when he gets hot as a problem, so to me, I'm pleased. Okay, Kelvin, you may get one or two, even five offensive rebounds, but we're going to take Wemby got one rebound. Whoever, whoever game plan that, he's going to be a coach of another team. They're going to be great. Because they were like,

“you're not going to be involved, and his mind is starting to go crazy of how, what do I need to do?”

And Wemby is not a thinker like that, right? He's a flow player. And when you haven't thinking of, where do I need to go? How can I be better? Now you've won. Now you've won, because now you're thinking, and you can't play thinking, basketball, and the western commerce finals. What I also love about the playoffs, too, is like how lineups, you know, the first game, and then game five. It's like, oh, no, this is different now. And you know, the beginning of the series, they don't

play hard and sign a ton of minutes. You know, okay, maybe this is going to be like a chat, and then they're going to play Jalen Williams, because in the regular season games going back at it, like they'd rather have Jalen Williams on Wemby and Yama, then game won. It's the Caruso show, where he's draped all over him. Do you think Hartinstein's offense in this little burst now, where he's actually shooting the basketball, can or something like it's that push shot,

floater. It's like, remember when you do that all the time? It's like, oh, I forgot that he was even doing it, because he used to do it so much, and then it hasn't that fact that it's out pivoted back to a traditional center, just draped all over him. And it's very simple to say, well, hey, that's now the thing to do, because they're up three two in the series. But that, that kind of story and how that's changed from game one to game five and what you've seen.

“Well, I think one thing is when you have guys like SGA who is now starting to like get big eyes”

and be like, I need to have a breakout game. You see, Jeremiah McCain is thirsty, shooting the ball.

getting two certain spots on the floor. You need somebody out there that's opportunistically offensive. If that makes sense, like hard and stined is like his, his push is a fifth option. It's like, no, no, no, oh, you're back there. Okay. But I'm already in the paint. So that's a still a great shot for them. And one thing people don't take into account is like, if you play Wendy once a month, once every three months, that's really hard to kind of gauge these guys

are MBA champions. You don't think they have a stick that's tall enough for Wendy and they're shooting floaters over this stick for the last week, we can have. So no matter how tall you are, but if you notice, those floaters are going in, which they weren't going in, he had 12 blocks at first game. I don't know how many years last night. Not a lot. Not a lot like that, right? And every time he's hunting, they're like, oh, you're here. I already know where to go. Boom. Now we're getting

you on the move. So they're adjusting to him. And he's having to adjust. He's not adjusting fast enough to what it is, just because he doesn't have either the build physically or he doesn't have the offensive skills that to say, hey, don't be the ball at the elbow. Clear out, let me go Carmelo Anthony on you. Let me go Brandon Roy, let me go Kobe, let me go dirt. You know, he needs to get that.

And I mean, maybe he's a year away or maybe he's two games away. So, you know, now you've never

“never know what that is. Yeah, game one, we felt like we were there. So, you know, but I think”

what this, if he doesn't hit that shot, this series is over. If he doesn't hit that three points shot, get 12 blocks, right? If he doesn't go like that, then this series is over. And okay, see saying, you know what, as long as we take care of you, nobody else can beat us one on one. Nobody has that, nobody has that in their repertoire. Y'all got to beat us as a team and we're the best team in the NBA. Let's talk about check because, you know, he can really

impact a game tremendously without scoring a ton of points. But I think when you're the high pick and it's the big contract and the way that he's talked about it's like, hey, he's one of the 15 best players. There's probably some times, I don't know if you would agree or not, but we're you're underwhelmed offensively. Because I think if he has to start from a stop, it's really hard for him, right? He can't just have the ball and then aim, I'm just going to work the dribble here

“a little bit and that's how we think of the best players in this league. He gets off to the really”

good start. I think he's four or four from the floor to get started in that first quarter. And so it's

not like he's going to go for 30 tonight. But what do you see from like where he's at offensively? Because I'm sure there are times where you would agree, there's like, man, I haven't noticed him on offense now. And it feels like it's been 30 minutes. I think one thing about talking to the OKC players last year and this year, they are so bought into what what their vision is of what this is that sometimes they look to SGA too much. And this is where Jeremy King comes in and is like,

oh, y'all gonna keep throwing it to me and I got the green light? Okay, I'm a, I think got up 1917, 19 shots last night, right? But what Chet? Okay, think of Chet's build as like young KD, right? You would say ish, okay? Except he's about two inches taller. Chet isn't explosive like KD. Chet doesn't have that fluidity like KD. Chet is tall and frail. So anytime somebody gets to stopping his momentum, he stands straight up. His thighs are the same size of his calves as his hips

and his shoulders. So he doesn't have a lot of room unless he gets a running start or unless he gets

big steps. And if you notice his first couple shots were bump bump, take the hit, spin,

fade away to get my balance. And so when he can, when he can get some lower body something, it's gonna allow him to just catch that ball on the block, hit fade away, face up jab, jumper. But right now he keeps getting pushed out and pushed out and pushed out. And if you notice his jumper, it was very, I know they won, but it was very wonky last year.

“There, I think he was like one for 22 or some crazy, but they won. So nobody cared,”

but he does this thing where it's like, it's gotten better, but it's a weird form and it takes a long time. So he has to address certain fundamental issues about his offense. But when he's aggressive getting to like, old school middies, which I think are really good for him because he can offensive rebound, whatever. He could be a solid play, but to me, he's a 16 to 20 point player, rebounding, very opportunistic. He can get you a 6-1 game or he can get you a 16, but to me,

great fourth option. Yeah, right. I mean, you do a lot worse than that. Okay, let's talk about

I was funny. I was looking at a tweet in somebody who was like, hey, Cheney, we need you in Legends Row and you were like, we didn't win enough. So I don't, I don't know if I'm invited. It's a true. No, no, no. I just feel like, man, my years, I love New York. My parents have from New York, you know, my family's from New York. I was born in White Plains, New York. To have the opportunity to play for the next was like a dream come true. And it was just,

excuse me, I like it's a shit show while I was there, right? Between Larry Brown and Isaiah Thomas, to step on Marbury and this and that and blah, blah, blah. To me, I don't have, like, I mean, miss a lot of shots, or I may have not been as good as I wanted to be, certain years,

but I always felt like damn. I wish I would have known more at 22 23 24 to help the next be good.

And so I feel like it's kind of like, oh, now you want to show up. So I, I cheer for the next. I love what they're doing. I'm a big, Dorothy Towns fan, Josh Hart fan. I think Ogina Nobby is hilarious. And Mike Brown's always been a good dude to me, but yeah, I just, I don't know. I just feel like I didn't contribute enough to take part in their, in their celebrations and stuff like that. It's, it's more of a, because I put them as such, I regard, you know.

Yeah, look, I thought it was a very, you know, honest answer and probably out with many people expected, because most guys that used to play, like, let me know where my ticket is.

“Oh, no, no. And I buy my own ticket, man. Well, that's what we made enough for the league.”

People got to make money, man. Come on. Do the next, see, I don't want to ask, but I cater the next. I have a chance, because of course the next have a chance. But when you look at the next against either, okay, see, or San Antonio's able to come back down three, two, how do you see their chances in the fun? It's a great question. That's a great question. That's a great question. I don't know. I'm going to be, I just don't want to get a chance. No, no, no, I'm not going to

guess or know you. I'm going to give you a great example. Okay, let's say SGA,

I can't even say this is going to sound great. And here's what is going to be a hot take. SGA would not

be has not been the best player in the playoff so far. That would be Jayland Brunson. So if we were going to go playoffs, not regular season, playoff, Jayland Brunson has had a better playoffs statistically than SGA. Okay. So you would go, but you can mix match that. Jayland Brunson, SGA cap. Okay. Now who's next after that? Well, I mean, see, great question. It's hard to say heart and stine, but his role again. Well, OG was like the best player in the playoffs there,

fell like a few weeks. Okay. Exactly. This is what's crazy. The next have a better chance than what people give them. If Jayland Brunson can just guard his yard, just guard your yard because they're going to go at him because of his usage offensively. But what my ground has been doing in that system is the minute that Jayland Brunson gets hot, he that ball pops up his hands and now he's given it to his playmakers. So they've empowered Landry. He's an Landry chairman, cat, Josh Hor, OG,

“Mcill bridges. So now now you got five handlers and I think cat is averaging six assists or was”

one serious, right? So all of a sudden, your center has six assists. Wemby is not cat. All that stuff from heart and stine that he's getting, cat is more polished offensively than Wemby. Way more polished offensively and is physically able to take the punishment that heart and stine would do. So you would look at matchups of like heart and stine versus OG or you would look at matchups of bench. Okay. Can Landry shamit keep up with Jeremy Gain and that. So I think

it would be a closer series than people think if Jayland Brunson cannot get picked on. So okay. The thing about cat versus Wemby, because that one's one I'll have to push back on a little bit. Yes, there's there's some polish there with cat that maybe Wemby and Yama doesn't have offensively, but there's no way that okay see would have to sell out against cat the way they have to against Wemby and Yama defensively. They are able to physically sell out against Wemby

“Yama. They can't physically sell out versus who are you going to leave open in in New York?”

They're leaving. Keldon Johnson open like crusty PJ Tucker. Don't. We're going to visit it. I know. You know like who are you going to leave open? Those guys

there when heart plays he's the team and he's the guy that every single team is going to leave open. I mean we could sit there and say okay you're going to leave Keldon open, but you also leave

“champenny open and then he goes off, but you can tell that's somebody that I think when you guys”

play, you're like hey we're fine. We're fine, John is not. Jalen Brunson is better than almost and then everyone except for Wemby on the spurs. Cat is offensively more prolific than everyone except for Wemby on his spurs. So if you look, yes the spurs are a great team going downhill and be an active, but if you look at them consistently shooting, they are not on the same level as the next when it comes to spacing the floor.

So yes you may say okay we don't have to sell out on cat. Cat may win you a game. Josh Hart will win you a game. Brunson will win you a game and you could see my ground doing a game playing one game and win you a game and this is what I'm saying. You may say okay we want Josh to beat you, but if Josh beats you he's also engaged defensively and a Josh's beating that means McKill bridges is engaged. That means that they're getting extra possession. So they are all

“all three of these teams are elite for a reason and I think it'd be harder to game play for New York”

from what I've seen so far, especially because New York isn't, oh let me just go watch Jalen Brunson. It's Brunson goes off. Okay now you're double-teamied boom play play play score defensively they're locked in. So I don't think you would be a weapon as everyone else. I think the next got a pretty dang good chance. Would you pick them? Would I pick them now?

Absolutely. Okay see. Yeah oh yeah. Hey listen if you watch them I watch everything right so I'm always

watching as much as I watch the game I watch body language. Okay see is throw in it's like you know Rocky and I've got the I've been drugged. There you go. Boom just though in a A-makers and because now you're giving Mike Brown in the next and they're coaching staff and their team look at that sub. Look at this. Is he in a rhythm? What is that? Look at this. So they're now dissecting every single thing after you guys are fighting. They're just waiting for you to get done. The game

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on Amazon for 10% off. Do you think you had to leave New York to learn how to shoot from three?

“No you know it's crazy I say I Thomas told me that's what I was going to do. He played me at the”

4 the first time ever in my life because we had Eddie Curry but he said hey you know and I

love Zieg to this day right. He was very honest he was like chanting and need to go somewhere to learn how to win because in New York we're expected to win right now and I can't develop you to what you need to be here. So he sent me to Portland with a young team to get some discipline for Nate McMillan only problem was I was learning how to shoot and Nate McMillan didn't want shooters. So then I said thank you for your time and Alvin Gentry in Phoenix was like shoot a thousand of

these mother suckers and that's what my career went. It is staggering like I looked at it again this morning and you averaged like 1 0.1 0.1 0.5 3.5 your first four years and then you get to Phoenix and it's like now take five to six of these a game and that was a lot. Think about how much that was we shot 25 a game people are like touch the paint touch the paint now teens assume 50 what I wish

over different rosters when we were doing the shows together and we were like you have you guys ever like we were only five years six years removed from it we were like digging into that 0 506 next roster you said it was a shit show you know whoa whoa I mean there was no well I mean there's some all timers here but it was like all of them at the same time it's like we get a little Stevie franchise for you we've got Marbury on the team hardaway was on the team and then you were

like gone all in on Eddie Curry so then there was like younger James do we had David Lee Nathan James who got that deal after that like series with Seattle big roaming big roaming room boy what you had to be like is this and I'm not like knocking the guys it's just a ton of personalities but big name guys who have kind of come through like a bunch of different stories who a lot of them have big-time resumes and it's like what does Isaiah doing with this team what

was that like for you as a young fellow there relationship people have what Isaiah was great because

Isaiah was like here's what I want for you and I know that you want this for yourself the problem was

Larry Brown we had Larry Brown we had the most starting lineups looked at up Larry at some point during the season was getting guys from the G-League weekly so we didn't know who was who was our teammates do that promise to God we didn't know who was starting the basketball game until 40 minutes when he would write it on the board then he came up with something and remember I played 14 years I have never and probably we'll never see this again he would say

if you're from this city you can start or if you went to college here so we'd get a dude off the airplane email you don't ask him he was on our team he made a game yeah but he made came off he was like dude you're great son here go start you're like start man then it was like it was a story and

I'll tell you this story quick him is step on boom came to a clash the first month if you look at

“steps I'll never forget it I was like y'all step on Marbur is the real deal because I think the first”

month of the season he was averaging like 25 six and four it was something crazy right you to look that up that guy so all of a sudden something happened where Larry was like you're not doing anything right step is like whoa what like we're I'm out here hoping and like we're good then he goes now I'm gonna make Jamal Crawford a point guard like a guard guard and Jamal's like what I'm a scoring guard like I'm not a point guard so all of a sudden practice

he's like you're doing that wrong you're doing this wrong and it came to a head for a staff in a film session which we had to call the NBA on him twice because we had three hour film sessions before a three and a half hour practice where we didn't run up and down twice now that is no ass David Lee as anybody from that team that was crazy we'd stand there and he would redo plays from other teams and just call our plays what their plays were say we need to do that like

didn't we just learn a different play yesterday but he basically we were going over the jump ball

his step was like yo man we're 10 games into this season we know what to do a jump ball

“and I remember the Larry Brown goes hey if if you've been past the first round raise your hand”

in front of everyone and after that step and Larry you what's it was a wrap after that Malik Rose was like chaining this is not what the NBA is like this is a circus you're like you're supposed to know your role you're starter you're sitting how many minutes you're playing if you do well you understand and it was it was a lot it was a lot what all those personalities just to so the audience can play along here Marbury Jamal Crawford Jalen Rose Stevie Francis

Quentin Richardson Eddie Curry you Nate Robinson and Tony O'Dayvis who's one of my all-time favorite dude he was the best he must have hated that year what was going on he would leave he would just be like yo coach I'm going to go see my family in Indiana I'll be back tomorrow and coaches like huh he goes yeah see you tomorrow it went down and because he's such an OG

“hey yeah do you remember he went into the stands he was talking to me he was talking to me”

he was like chaining we got a he goes hey hold on young blood when up there is sir point I say oh boy that's it for this season oh boy quintile woods Trevor Reeza who was like good yeah it was kind

year David Lee Matt Barnes who is is another one of my favorite go-to's Malik Rose Eme Jackie Butler who the Jackie Butler dude was built like a tree star that dude was so country played a lot too a lot because he could score the crap out of that ball Jackie Butler

oh well what are we he's doing we it was we're a circus it was first that roster I love that roster

some bones some good dudes and like you're just like if this would have actually worked out somehow that team would have been of 30 for 30 it's a 30 for 30 but it's it's also like 30 guys so you know how is there ever going to be any acceptance of roles it actually probably I don't even didn't think about this but you know the NBA becomes about accepting kind of who you are yeah right and and hopefully you're good enough to still really contribute for a long time which is

exactly what you did you pivoted you became this three point shooter this stretch guy who by the way everybody would want to sign you in free agency because of the way you played but still at the time and all admit it like when you were drafted and I think it was because everybody was so I down and I said at that point and I remember because I was doing the draft and I'm like I don't know you know like everyone said he was gonna take you and then he took you and you were like you know

did he get better in errors you know and I mean it was one of those things it's like the longer you're in college too and then it's like oh maybe he's he's not really that and then everybody's just dog and him for taking it but it's just I think it was probably a really good learning experience you go this is what happens when you don't accept your role or the team is not built with hey here

“are five guys here are eight guys and then you know ten through whatever you have to know you've”

got to show up in practice and be ready if somebody's hurt but you're never playing and instead

you have guys who've made all star teams going what are we doing with the highest payroll in NBA and then we had three first round picks so you have like developing these guys but playing these guys with a coach that's like I want to get new players all the time he's like Trevor I'm gonna trade you Matt Barnes I'm gonna trade you uh Quintel Woods I'm gonna trade you give me email give me Jackie but give me this so you're like who are you playing like for what reason it was no

continuity of like what we were trying to accomplish and then two years later I end up getting traded to Portland for Zach Randolph so I mean it's just like yeah guys we're bought in but you can't have you can't have the highest payroll in the NBA in lottery picks and we're not specific

“of like what their role is and then you're in the midst of like a 23 when season I think it's six”

coaches I mean if you count her Williams being an individual yeah so sometimes it's not fair when you're like yeah but it's Lenny it's Don Cheney it's Larry Brown and then it's like Larry you got to get him out of here and then Isaiah was putting the roster together it's like now you go coach it because ownership's mad and it was it's a lie I love talking about that team that's crazy it was great that's 20 years ago uh you're you're coming up on 10 years on I think the most impressive

finals victory that I've ever seen when you came back it's a correct one it's one of one I mean listen it's like uh if Ferrari made a one of one car you would say that's probably the best car because it's the only one of them it's not like I'm a cast fan it's not like I argue against the brawn Jordan arguments online I'm just saying like if you think about who golden state was and being down 31 uh let's let's see if we can do a couple stories out of you from that yeah

was when you were down 31 did you guys actually because I know I've read the grift manifesto I've heard the stories I've heard about all of it did you really think you could come back when you were down 31 there was a thought at the beginning like oh crap but I remember like James Jones and brawn and Dante Jones and uh those kind of guys got the film and you know here we've got us hit you with some cusswords here they were like we are fucking ourselves look at this we

make a mistake that we went over 50 times they score armistake they score armistake they score they're like look what they're doing they're not doing anything we can't take care of they were like if we could just take care of us we have a chance we're like look at this game like this

“how good they were get a turnover it was automatic three I think and politically it was 2.7 points”

so if you have 15 turnovers you're you're giving them 35 32 points basically right

before yeah 35 37 points so we were like dude if we turn it over it has to be an aggressive go to the rim turnover and so when we saw that and then a lot of details happen that

or not we still would have won that game you still would have won a series uh Barnes was kind of

“in a blender uh when Andrew Bogotga hurt that was the biggest thing for us because we said”

if dream on green is one of the greatest weekside defenders ever to play basketball at that time he's great at verticality communicating being able to step over like you know control the court but if he's guarding you like he guards brawn go at him so if you watch the film we are attacking the rim over and over and over again to get playoffs so that we could set our defense the second thing that happened other than Bogotga and hurt when Kevin love got concuss people forgot about that

we started Richard Jefferson which means we started basically five guards because Tristan's only six eight Richard six nine brawn six nine uh JR six eight and it carries like six three six four so we switched everything and all those guys are prevalent uh defenders and allowed us to keep them in front and change their rhythm up and then when Kevin came back Sean Livingston used to go to work in that second unit and Richard would come out early and then go play Sean Livingston

so that he couldn't post up anymore so uh and then that and then brawn and Kyrie went into Super Saiyan mode and you know it was tough once we saw Steph show and get back we're like wait a second

“you don't want a guard Kyrie now I don't know if that's the truth but that's how we took it”

so we were like we're going at him so our play was just get Kyrie on Steph or get Steph on Kyrie that's it and attack the rack there's a lot of things from that series that you know I'll think about because I just think it's it really is you know a special moment uh in the history of this

game and I don't think it can never be overstayed what it was because of what that team was and then

for la brawn and Kyrie to put together games five six and seven and you look at those numbers you just go this fucking continuous I was like listen brother I had based on my checks I have reached the pinnacle of what I could do because I'm looking out there I play high school or college with Andre Gaudela I know what he is Andre Gaudela Steph, Dreyman, Kyrie, Braun, Kevin like dude you could keep going going going and like that's seven legit eight legit

all star Hall of Famers on the court and I'm like yeah go ahead but mobile yams in put deli and this ain't a big guy thing yeah you're you're wish was granted you know what I thought was crazy

I mean there's a million crazy things about it but I was always shocked at how

easily they gave up the bad switch over and over and over again and I feel like they were doing that because we won we're grabbing a crap out of them right in two we have figured out that like on that switch if they if they didn't switch and he showed it get back they were attacking that and it was too hard to get underneath they were getting lanes going downhill so they were like hey we're gonna trust our weak side defense we're gonna trust our activity

a lot like okay see does and what also they can't do is say there's a hole in the boat so if they don't give up this switch or if they don't give it up then we go oh you don't want

“to give that up so they have to kind of you have to let it happen like and that's what”

I think the spurs need to do they keep wanting to play put two on a ball and make it like to shake just switch all that and play straight up and if shake is 30 but no one else touches a ball okay you're fine but when you put two on a ball now you're in rotations all over the place you're giving up rebounds off ends of rebounds now you know when be is tired and just play 101 and just just guard your yard you know and I remember two in the beginning of that series

you guys sold out defensively where it was two on the ball no matter what like if it doesn't come off and then you're getting smoked and it's it's sometimes you go hey this is what's this is still the right thing like this is still the right thing and it's it's gonna be really hard but you count especially when that team would go crazy don't and you're like are we still doing the right

thing because it's definitely not working and it's like hey we never just do this I'm like God damn

I mean pure pure I mean they were so freaking good dude I mean I could not get over how good they were because if you were a little bit off and then you're like oh damn stuff got nine quits okay let's double team them oh we forgot about clay oh we forgot about mid range but we were

we wanted him so we were doubling and said hey maybe we could get a steel or maybe

“somebody was shooting off three or they'll drive but that's what happened was when Richard started”

to go we stopped double teaming because we could switch everything we grabbed body to body I still remember the whole scale down because we had to go over it for like an hour come body to body grab them nobody gets to slip keep two people in front of you it's funny because I was thinking about that series and I was thinking about stuff in the playoffs too when I was seeing when we struggled and you go hey man you don't get to be tired and like hey this is really hard like this is what it is

it's really really hard and there'll be those possessions where I watch staff going so they're just going to tackle like anything off the ball like those baseline cuts where you be coming up and you're like oh my god look what's happening to him and it's like yeah this is what it is you have to find a way to get free all this stuff and then you have to catch it and you have to

“still get a good look and granted with him it takes half a second for it to be in his hands”

two too long till he barely do he might not even have the ball he just goes that's three gosh stupid stuff he's so good man I mean watching them go back and forth and back and forth has been a joy especially because I didn't I don't harbor any hate obviously it's been 10 years

but like watching stuff address the things that we always said that he was struggling with

was really great for me as a fan of basketball like when he got hurt and came back that next year and he put on that bolt and all of a sudden now he's finishing what floaters around the rim he's starting to attack the rim more and then they won in 22 I thought that year he really solidified himself as like a top 10/11 player in the in the world forever I would agree with that kidding this is great man thanks for spending the time with us and I'll be checking you out

“because I think I'm supposed to come down and do one in the L.A. studio with those guys oh sweet make it”

yeah I'll do that's a great time we'll get hurt get hurt to get angry hopefully not hit it yeah I know maybe maybe I'll do that one remotely then yeah no come on we got to go to the dolphin house that'll be great thanks man appreciate it yeah yeah you want details five I drive a Ferrari 355 KBLA what's up I have a ridiculous house in the south fork I have every toy you can possibly imagine and best of all kids I am liquid so now you know what's

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yeah bucket golf to show up today it's gonna probably be the yard game of the summer so I set that up about 30 minutes before we hopped on here excited to get back out there later golf league yesterday Memorial Day was a big outside day so I'm just you know it just I my days feel like stuff happened even though I'm not sure I'm doing stuff totally different I just feel like sometimes it's done really kicks your ass bucket golf look out yeah probably gonna be the game of the

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I was very you know it came a little late actually this might be a little bit of a ding it came late and I didn't get it from Memorial Day so now I'm just playing with bucket golf by myself and I got to think about another time to bring it out but just running drills in the backyard but next barbecue people like cows nasty at this game don't doubly I wasn't thinking that while I was taking those swings before we jumped on all right now for our married guys here we'll we'll lean on you here

I'm having a 50 person wedding in about a month small by design legit homies didn't make the list out legit homies didn't make the list here's where it gets a bit messy my father lost paying for the whole thing he's been dating a woman seriously for over five years and asked us to invite her for

we were elected because I didn't really want that smoke he's writing the checks and it felt like

less of an ask and more of a directive so dating a woman seriously five years in asked us to invite her four adult kids okay I mean five years in a long time that could be saying eight extra

“people right for saying four adult kids what's I think this that's where this is going so none of”

the four have RSV peed now word comes back to the father law that a few of them want plus once one recently married green card wedding no comment one recently engaged two others I don't have that don't think have significant others if we see yes to everyone that's eight of 50 seats going to people I don't know while friends I've had over 15 years got the coach wants to see it bring a playbook call father laws asking if we can squeeze them in if it's possible can't tell if it's

a question or another directive from the big man what's the call here my lean is to draw a line in the sand and say the four adult kids are early plus ones so no way they get to ask for more how firm I mean this must be a special venue right because when you when we're talking 50 max it's like you're you're in some special kind of place right or like a VFW or something I don't know probably not in the back yard yeah I'm just thinking how like it's 50 max you're like this we

“want a small wedding but you know well I think it's also when you invite like if the if you know”

real friends what was his term legit oh my god he's like that that term can like expand your thing by like 20 more people you know easy so if they wanted to have a small wedding and like a 50's kind of the number and they realized we invite you know Brian we got it by chain they're just like okay we're just that's the tier that we've reached so maybe that's just where they're at yeah but I the guy who's paying for it sounds like he's paying for the whole thing I didn't

say paying for him because I feel like if he was trying to like you know do some mental gymnastics

here he would have sounded like well he's helping with the wedding he basically said he's writing

the checks for the wedding you know it's this it's not his event but I mean he's the one that's making it possible I mean is there any whip could you just add another table put them all in it like I guess he didn't mention anything about 50's the max was 50 the his ideal wedding he's got this idea in his head of a small 50 person wedding or is it like we're gonna you know it's not possible I think the 50 numbers established because that would have been a much easier email

for him to go I could make it 60 so I think we have to work out the 50 number yeah no I know I know I know what you're saying I guess it's just I didn't think of like a venue limitation type thing I think that's just the wedding that they wanted they wanted to be small they wanted to be 50 people I get that like I had a gigantic Italian wedding and stressful like it's kind of nice it's like hey you don't have to worry about that many people you know if they're like you could

it's more intimate that way but if the guy like how adamant and how aggressive was he

“in being like I'm paying for this like did he did you have to convince him to pay if I was like”

what did he want to do it is he a hearto because he's paying for it because that's like sometimes the worst case scenario it's like I'm gonna pay for it it's gonna be my thing I'm gonna hang out of your head it's like cool it's my wedding now we will be passing out cigars yeah yeah exactly like I hear some of the demands and this is kind of one of them I don't think that I actually understand the four kids thing I think that's fine like all right like they're his kid that they're

her kids right so like sure I understand them when to come and hang out with some parts of the family the plus one thing is where I kind of feel like yes you got to put your foot down especially because like two of them aren't even married like one of them freshly married that's is the fiance but like hey it's a small endeavor like we're not like we're not this isn't like a you know this isn't like a carnival cruise like what's going on well when he says squeeze them in if it's

possible that's your out like no do you have your future wife do that though well I'm kind of a marriage that's gonna be what's not your dad yet true but there has to be a limit right like people could be listening to the single if he's paying for everything then he gets to call the shots

every single shot yeah you're like no I actually like taught as the main the problem is it's

closing there's kids they're like his biological children they're like the closest people to him you know a lot of times I think a parent's one of my like one or two like group of friends like like a couple of couples like they're friends with they want to do that you know and this is like not even that these are his children so like it doesn't seem super unreasonable it's just that that this 50 why why you haven't a 50 person wedding man I'm not gonna make it a you think but

it's crazy how the how much of a percentage that just if he wants his his children there

how was your wedding I didn't know a ton of people at it I didn't know it was like my

that was like my stag party it was just a party for my dad basically in his buddies I didn't really want to

do it he just but he's at the falcons club oh yeah yeah yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah just like a ongoing joke in the family it's like it was my dad's party which is fine like I had heard it's like I don't know dude my age like they're on a lot of stags anymore I feel like it's got like a dying thing but like wait what's the difference you don't know stag I guess I just thought I was

“you know what a stag is right but that's what British guys called it I thought I did I thought”

that's just what British guys called the bachelor part now the stag is like where you go to like the local like rotary club and just a bunch of random dudes there's like a raffle guys bring some stuff like that's all bobs and you basically just drink in a hall and get like banquet food and what

it basically like raises money for the wedding right and like you know people they give gifts and

different things like that I didn't know I was entitled to that basically I just used for a bunch of dudes to just drink and missed out on one party then I didn't know I was I didn't know I was allowed to have one of those yeah no it's totally separate from a bachelor party huh look you care I'm looking at the official definition it's kind of where it comes from okay and all males do all of them have raffles is are they all yeah raisers because I I thought it was just another

version of like guys get together but it's not a weekend it's just a no it's it's not it's nothing like the bachelor party nothing right and that mission is what an all male celebration held for the groom to be for his wedding the term stag refers to of male deer yadiyada event typically involved as traditions variations uh I'd have heard that this is like more of a northeast thing but yeah like there's a raffle this is drinks but thanks a group activity count me yeah you kidding me

god you're wife exploding off balls this is bullshit but I'm having a stag this is only one yeah you owe me one I'd go yeah anyway hands on the day did you learn some new every day and I know what my thing is that's great uh it depends on this guy like how hard is he a total hard

“ass about this stuff like you you have to figure out like who's going to submit quicker I mean it sounds”

like you're you're honoring the fact that the guy's paying for the entire thing but I don't know that that also comes with contract where he just calls every single shop for the entire thing and so is that a soft sell as a soft ask where he's saying like hey could we squeeze a couple more in but that's to be translated into your absolutely inviting all these other people which as you guys have both pointed out like a lot of times they'll be family friends that the the brighter

groom don't even know them but it's like we don't want a bunch of year especially if you're getting married younger but like oh yeah cool so we're just gonna have a hundred twenty something

serious dude no one you know my name never thought of whatever like somebody who I grew up with can't

come to the wedding because my kid doesn't fucking know him like yeah okay so we're going for two years and you get beers with is here but I think the guy I've known for twenty years down the street can't come I get it it didn't sound like they were super organized about this too because they're all asking for plus ones is that why they have an RSVP or they said it's going maybe that's the thing I wonder if you can eat does he have eyes on the list can you just say like

hey man I was hoping actually a couple people weren't good RSVP were were over the limit at this point like you could even just say if he's not you know it doesn't have the the keys to your Zola account or whatever whatever the not if you can't see what's really going on you could just be like hey man like we've got we counted on ten percent of people not and it seems like everyone's coming yeah this is the problem though with not knowing if it's a if your hard limit is 50 or the

venues hard limit is 50 if he knows that if he knows there's a little more room then you obviously are screwed yeah yeah what if he says hey we can go to 58 if you can invite all these people then then then I'm your source they find then I'd say fine right I think you've got to come to him and say I'm I'm starting to cut like lifelong friends here and if I mean I remember I mean I know I've told this before but I was younger I was just educated about the whole thing

I was like oh can I just bring somebody and guys like no you can't just bring somebody to my wedding is it going to marry her was it like what no

“loser don't tell that to me right yeah yeah that's your problem that's what I'm going to be with”

and I wasn't asshole I didn't know I didn't know any better I was just very uneducated in those ways of certain things and so I think you're fully within you why can't you just go be like hey if the one that's married and recently engaged wants to be plus ones then that's the eight or that's

then that cuts out the other two but I don't know I mean sometimes with this saying when I feel like honesty is the best policy and if you're just like hey man the legit homies are out like it like you just find that the elevator for that is going to be like the legit homies are out

“yeah I know but I'm saying that's how we said it to us like you find a way to say it to this man”

and like you're just like listen I had a really hard time cutting this down to size and I just think that's a that's a huge chunk of of what we already don't have to work with and I think that's that's like that we could try to get creative and try to pull pull a fast one on this guy but I think maybe the best policy is honesty here it's like man this is crazy we just have we don't have wiggle room and you just you just ask for a bunch it's a bummer because you don't want

to get off on their own foot with these people it's like the first thing is like arguing about

whether his girlfriend is serious enough to have your brother-in-law show up like that's that's not a good start on the new family so I hope it works out smoothly next email millennial friend uses way too much slang what's up guys six foot one eighty five basketball comp any white guy shooter will get hot but also get hunted like crazy in the other and no lifting stats these days but I'm training for my first high rocks solo race coming up

cue the tangent and why high rocks is lame go ahead Ryan I know you want to I don't even know what

“it is so I feel bad I don't think about you at all I think you guys know my stance on”

this if you're out there pushing yourself good for you it's a you know this is like heroin use but probably step in there a global indoor fitness racing competition the event the event consists of running a kilometer all-terinated with one function workout station repeated eight times yeah sounds tough man good for you I admire you no tangent incoming I'll cut right to the chase thirty nine have a good friend is thirty six let's call a mark who mark I met market

the gym about two years ago we hit it off as you guys always talk about it's tough to make new

friends near thirties but we came part of a small group that hangs out often often travels together in occasion marks a good hard at guy most people wouldn't have a bad thing to say about him he's the planner the group and always make sure everyone is involved in taking care of here's the issue the way he talks to noises shit out of me every text is boyo what's your preference for later wanted to scoop you up at your crib in my whip those are fine those are all fine those

three are fine those three are fine crib right to whip three boards later I try not to but you know always I guess old habits die hard but those are always never said boyo out loud and no one of my thirty you thirty nine years on earth has ever said scoop you up instead of pick you up no I think that's a little harsh any month I've run in many different circles he also says bet so often to the point where I almost think it's a social experiment to see how people might

react if you agree to something you might even throw a that that that that that that in there everything is I don't that's clutch fire it's like he's trying to hit some quota yo she's jokes but have you met her boo she's jokes but have you met her boo big facts it's mad brick I think fast gets me every time so good what was the I'm trying to think like because there's like a lot of these terms that were I'm just like I've just I've just aged out of this

big facts is definitely something I can't say out loud cap was one I was like I think I'm just too old

“for cap that's what I realized I was having a break with the mainstream mm-hmm”

that was that long ago Chris Lung's black friend being like whoa here's how you want to use cap and then here's how you use no cap and I was like thanks man it's like breaking these like yeah people are gonna start using it so like just telling you how it was to it yeah yeah and I was like

for the first time I heard it too I mean yeah yeah yeah right is this new technology you'll be able

to order a car from your phone you don't have to tip that was the big thing the beginning dude yes so I'm with you I wouldn't want to be around this guy but man it's funny isn't that kind of the scouting isn't that part of the scouting report of the millennial generation sort of like that this type of shit happens with this particular group like cringy stuff like saying all these words like I know I know we think that the next group has silly or words but I just I

thought like isn't that even other like even the younger group thinks that millennials have this like thing about them where they just they make themselves look like asses a little bit at least that's

had guys changed mint I like that I've heard that I may have even used that once or twice yeah mint is

“shit was mental than then you are proud of yeah I don't think it's sold yeah that's a poll but I”

mean we were using it way too much and felt cool every time we're using it and then there's just a pivot you're like these are still saying mint yeah I got I got rid of a couple like I got rid of fire that wasn't my full cab away too much but that one's gone I've completely extinct that doesn't mean that does aid you a bit I don't think I say that anymore try not to say mad good

anymore there's still people around here that are never mad at one it's probably those hot dogs

were mad good yo I'm like whoa mad was looking at home grip like looking at a mirror holy shit yeah there's a couple that I worked really hard to drop was there a path to you becoming fluid shed home grip like that was gonna be your preferred dialect Kyle there's if there was a path oh yeah that's that could really and totally right look it was looking forward to it actually it's like one day I'm gonna be able to say this probably not though but again totally grew up grew out of that so

happy that I did but I mean yeah there was a point it seemed like I was doing the exact coolest thing

“that I could be and turns out wasn't you know so that's uh the most alarming thing I think is”

when it's somebody you know who's trying to hard launch a new word that they're planning on using

for a while and you just go I've never heard like I don't know that you ever confronted anyone on it

but I'm thinking of one person in particular right now and it's so specific that I can't even tell the story but it's just I was sitting with them and they use this term and I just thought to myself like that's not natural guys just listen to the whole Drake album twice he's got it he's got a few new things he'd been ready to try out I don't know man I didn't the Drake album might put you in the Chugie category

it's not good I thought wait wait I have to look that one up we did that before Chugie tried hard now Chugie is like a Chugie I think is what Gen Z thinks millennials are they're just like kind of like weird well then that's not true straight is back Ice Man was good but we'll leave it there

“wasn't three albums but I didn't listen to the other two or just by Ice Man was good”

there back to the email I understand people talk like this but it sounds completely unnatural an ungenuine coming from him I don't have a poker face so Mark has to know that drives me insane it wouldn't bother me as much as if he didn't code switch more than anyone I've ever known in the next sentence I'll say I completely understand it is wise to get your rest please feel free to reach out if you need anything on my end he's in the mental health profession and thinks he's

everyone's therapist you what do I do do I can front of about it do I start saying things like why are you talking like that or do I just suck it up I don't want to lose a friend especially because I might lose the rest of the friend group in the process he is the planner right I don't want to come off like an asshole either but I also want to recognize that being completely fake is worse no one actually talks like this it's not natural how everything he says out loud or Texas

completely thought out we're too old to talk like this some of it is slang that isn't part of our generation or what we grew up with how do you tell someone they're fake every time he says bet my skin crawls and a white hot rage builds up inside of me I haven't brought it up to our other friends because I don't know how to approach the subject any advice to be appreciated thanks love the pod I've cut back on pods recently but this one still stays in the regular rotation all the

best things that uh what if you could name his like alter ego like you have a give a funny name for when he says like oh wow I didn't know Chuck's here oh Chuck I haven't seen you in mad long I mean you could do something like that but I don't hate it I don't either you just zag the other way and just go like start to start bringing neat back and just saying other stuff that sounds

incredible yeah yeah I I sounds like the guys a good guy you don't want to lose him as a friend

and again we talked about it multiple times in this podcast you know dudes are doing dudes are docked for friends out there so don't lose some just because a little couple of things annoy you but you can totally talk to about about this without like hurting his feelings you don't have to be like you know you're not black or what other people say you know to me you're not this you're not you know you're not you're not 20 like you can there's ways of doing it that everyone gets it it's not like

a really piercing stab you know there's likely somebody else in the front group you can talk shit about him behind his back with that's gonna love this maybe that's enough for you yeah you just need to normally I wouldn't be like hey find someone else to talk about about your friend behind his back you know rather just face it head on and all that kind of stuff but I imagine there's probably

this now you can play it wrong say to the wrong person you're like what are you talking about I think

“Marcus cool and yeah I love his activities that he plans for us actually yeah I can't believe you're”

you were talking shit about Mark yeah I would say I would say I would say I'd totally back if you if you do if you do sort of like connect with somebody else on like you could still be friends with some with people in the group and like to like talk to somebody else about dumb things that they do happens all the time in friendship so he's pretty normal yeah so like you made you hear Chad said fin at the other day and you guys like yeah what idiot but he says doesn't mean you don't like the

guy it just just like you know you're just you're just two dudes talking so I think that's your property that's your outlet yeah because if you had been friends from like college on high school on or something like that you probably already had it out with him while he's done this but like meeting friends later on it's just I've said this but when it's an older established friend

the the amount of like stuff that you've built up like you you're never bothered by anything because

you've already been through all of this stuff together and you've done stuff that it's annoyed that person right but when it's like a newer adult friend it's it's far more fragile friendship

“in a way you know like the standard that you would have for newer friends that's why people”

I don't think make as many friends it's like first impressions are more damning you know when you're all younger like now all of you are making terrible first impressions so it's just kind of like collectively you're all kind of together like screwing up and then you just give each other past like you don't give when you're late 30s 40s or whatever you're meeting another dude you're likely to not give the person the past that you give everybody else because you're older right

and you feel like everybody's supposed to be like living with certain standard I just don't think that the price of this is worth it I mean I sure you get super annoyed we're laughing with you like some of these sentences are ridiculous but if that's the only part that's bad about him do you're just going to have to suck it up man now I agree but I really totally address it and probably a funny way yeah I got a lot for this I just have to sit and room with him for a

little bit and be like oh got one here got one there like just aren't right I'm down I don't even think I need to I just be like if this guy goes off like you know if he goes on maybe tirades not the word but if he's good to string a couple of these ridiculous sentences together I'm like oh man is there any chance to email or is like way too sensitive about it because scoop you up is not a weird thing for somebody to text another person no it's not yeah that was that was the end of

the beginning I said those three together were good but that's the thing one off's they're fine if you're like hey rhyme is gonna be up later yeah wouldn't think twice about it but like if you throw four five of them in the same sentence clearly my guy is trying really hard um that's a lot yeah the email is right about that like there's that one that you can point to go I don't know but there was there was a few where it was like man you're do you have like are these going to

expire if you don't use them all today that's right there that was perfect that is something I would say go you're gonna be driving you in one oh yeah right yeah it's gonna be my new cart we cycling out of Q2 phrases here perfect it any of those naturalists I fucking love that sorry for cursing again Kyle apologizing what's getting wrote now getting notes it's funny you're reading the internet no I'm being tagged oh now dudes totally know that works so I'll expect some more yeah

“no I think you're fine yep family though that's a tough one oh yeah sometimes I do”

what else do you think you swearing on a podcast has been the most disappointing thing you've ever done to them in the last yeah yeah not the most disappointing no in the last in the last decade certainly

there was I mean there was a lot to pick from ten years ago but now really but that's first kind of

kind of nailing it lately yeah good for you that's a bad bring a bucket golf over soon and like you know totally give them a epiphany for what your games could be so well I love hearing that that's great I didn't know we were on such an uptick of improvement here how that'll do it for the show today thanks to everybody for listening you can watch all the episodes all the full episodes on Netflix thanks to Tom thanks to Kevin thanks to three thanks to Kyle the Ryan Rousalash Hope Master Sports