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team being eliminated from the World Cup because you did a Monday and the A thing will just more MBA today on a Thursday, but I just had a couple of thoughts that I wanted to talk about. I loved it, I loved this run, I loved this tournament, I'll keep watching the games, even though the U.S. is eliminated from the entire thing, I'm a sucker for the page entry, getting to go to the game against now Turkey A in person, even though it was like a last

second loss for the U.S. men's team, it was just, it was more fun than I imagined that I was

even going to have, I was glued to the entire thing walking into so far before, kind of what you would expect, it's just the world stage here and everyone is paying attention, which is even more so than we have and just that the sports that I generally talked about 99% of the time, I know back in the day it was kind of funny when I first started traveling for college game day, for radio, I would go in early just to watch the entire band come out and do

whatever routine it was, depending on where you were, maybe it's a sign of what I'm going to be into in a molder, I don't know, because guys kind of laugh like you go in early so you can watch

“the bands, I was like yeah, I just think it's this is sick, especially I think for me growing up”

in the Northeast and not having anything like that when you're in the south or you're in big team country or in Texas or wherever, wherever college football really matters and I think college football matters, especially to some of these communities that don't have anything else, it's it's obsessive in a way and even though I didn't really care about the outcomes, I just was enamored with all of it. So, you know, I'm waiting around kind of planning my

day around when the U.S. band's team is going to play because of these games and how much fun

I've had watching it and when they tied it against Belgium, it's bad as the first, well,

well, the entire game sucked, but, you know, tying it up and I'm like yeah, I'm excited, you know, sitting there, I'm like, I can't believe I care this much about it, but I'll admit now that it's over,

You get excited, you convince yourself that you care and then you move on? It must be, it must be a lot easier. It's not like me back in the day screaming that Vincent

Brisbane's never had a thousand receiving yards in a season to my buddies and then thinking

less of them when they didn't realize that. So, it's a very stress-free existence and I admire you for it.

“And, you know, there's always been kind of at least for me and I think this would speak to anybody”

that played, like, you know how you are, right? If you played football, if you played basketball, if you played baseball, you always looked down on soccer guy and I had mentioned this before, but my turn off to soccer wasn't even really the sport itself. It was just a waste soccer guy, was incredibly fucking annoying to me. I used to kind of observe that. I was like, "Do you have a game today? Why are you dressed like that?" And there was kind of this elitist, like, you won't

understand it. It's like, "No, shit." Like, I wouldn't understand a book I never read. I wouldn't understand. There's very few things, any of us understand without experiencing it. So, there's a disconnective, okay, all you casuals are watching, but you don't really know what's going on. I don't know, I watch it for a few weeks every day. You start to figure some shit out, especially when you watch sports for a living, you start to notice things like who's good on a first touch,

who's bad on a first touch, who can win one on one's, who seems to take good chances in the

upper third and who takes pointless chances in the upper third or who's the guy that never wants to

try anything. Then you have the game against Belgium and you're like, "Wait a minute, now we don't have the ball as much. We can't seem to keep it." This doesn't seem all that good. So I'm sure, like, if I watched it all the time, I would figure some stuff out. So I think all of us could just kind of push back on that. Like, "Oh, you'll never understand it." So complicated. I don't know. It's like, it's not that complicated. I just don't watch it that much. But I loved it. I loved

it. I started to understand, and sure, I wish there was a little bit more scoring. And it does feel like it sucks when one team's down two goals. And you're like, "This is never like you're just out of it." In a way, some of the other sports, you probably don't feel you're as out of it

“when it's that kind of score. But here's the thing that I've learned, at least on them being”

eliminated this week, is if I were a soccer guy, this is where I have sympathy for soccer guy. If I were a soccer guy, and everybody's doing this four-year drive by telling me what's wrong with my sport, I would lose my fucking mind. Can you imagine listening to me do a podcast where basketball only mattered for a handful of games once every four years, and then I got some guy from Good Morning America telling me what's wrong with my sport when he hasn't talked

about it for four years. And I'm not even thinking about one specific person from Good Morning America. I was thinking about what's the Rudy going through some of our least favorite soccer drive by tweets. But I realized, I'd probably make a few enemies, or I would alert my enemies that they exist. So we don't need to do that, because a couple of my friends, that breathed tweets, and I'm like, "Jesus, you could also not say anything." But very few of us, the talk for

living can find a way to not say something when something is this significant. But that would suck soccer guy. So I feel you, because we are simple. I'm coming to this conclusion more and more every single day. You lose in the round of 16. You can't be any better than any of the teams that also lost in the round of 16. So it's like, "Oh, here we go again. Same old, same old." And it's not the same. And that is my uneducated view of this. We'll bring Surudi here in a moment, but like Taylor

12, and after the Paraguay game, however, it's pronounced in that country. It looked different. It looked different to me. We have guys that can make plays. We have guys that can win one on ones. We have guys that like, multiple guys that can score as opposed to playing defense and just hoping that your goalkeeper's better than everybody else. So I thought that there was real improvement. And I know it's, again, it's, I just think it's way too simple to go out round of 16. Same old

this sucks, you know, seeing four years mean ever do anything. Maybe it's American arrogance. Maybe it's because we look so good in the group stage that we got our hopes up, which is totally

“fine. It's totally fine to also be disappointed. But I think it's wrong to then treat it like the”

quarterback, right? It's kind of like the quarterback who maybe we just don't believe in and they win a playoff game. And then we know they're going to have like two more chances to disappoint

it so we can still feel like we're right. And then we never want to give that quarterback any credit.

And look, I've done that with certain quarterbacks that I just, I'm like, I don't know. All right, it's cool. We want to walk our game. I don't think this guy's the goods. But I, I find that it's almost like this. I'll, I'll end here in the brings routine. If you're a college football fan, you have a season where your team went nine and three. And you're like, ah, and then you'll have another team that this same, I'm talking about your same team. Like, just imagine if it's like

Oklahoma State or something like that. Okay, Oklahoma State, your favorite team, they go nine and

another season. You feel entirely different about the season that you just watched. Because I think the team is totally, it's just better. Maybe you beat a rival. A lot of it's scheduley a little bit with the college football stuff. But I refuse to believe that this thing is just the same based on the way this team played despite being eliminated as much as the Belgium game suck. All right, let's bring in Seruti, who I imagine, I don't know. I really talk to you about this.

It, I'm just going to hammer the NBA thing again. I would lose my shit if five NBA games mattered once every four years. And then I had all sorts of people telling me, like, what is, what is real and what needs to be done. And it's like, you're not going to have another soccer tweet for like 40 months. And like international soccer is also so much different than club soccer. So even if you did get into like club soccer, you know, it's much more organized. The teams are

more balanced. Like the beauty of like the world cup and the euros or whatever is that these teams are so involved. Like they don't, they're not able to buy someone in a market to fix the

“left-back situation, right? They just have to figure it out. And I think that's what's cool, but the game”

also is way more open. It's kind of more on for in some ways is more unpredictable. But yeah, like I, I struggle with it because like it's like, hey, all right, you know, we've got bounce in the round 16 again, right? Success or failure. And you're like, you feel like an idiot. If you're like, oh, it's kind of a success because it's on our home, it's on our home nation. We had an embarrassing loss. And we obviously reached the same round with Greg Burhalter in 2022. And people were like,

we got to get him out of here. But I don't know, man. Like in that group stage in 20, if you compare the two group stages alone, right? In 2022, we drew whales, one one, whales not a good team. They had Garth Bale, but he was older, and they're just not that good. One one, we had a kind of a miracle draw, nil nil, and when England was the most passive weird, they just like didn't do anything. And I know people were going to come at me and say, well, those in the U.S. are credit for that. I

actually don't think we played well, then that came either. I think that was just like a weird

nil nil game. And then so we basically needed to go into the Iran game who are again, our

decent but not great. We should be beating them. And we had a scratch on one nil victory just to make it

“through the group. And then we get, you know, kind of pumped a little bit by another one. So I think”

it's probably equal to what this Belgian team is. So, and then you compare it to this, we smashed Paraguay. We looked good against Australia. We played a B team against Turkey, and almost still got a point out of that. We smashed Bosnian Bosnians not good, but that's fine. And then we have an embarrassing loss on the way out. So like, I do think that the team was better. I think it is trending in the right direction. But I, you know, but like it's hard for me to argue that like,

hey, yeah, we definitely exceeded expectations did better in this tournament because that's obviously sound stupid. Yeah, I mean, even the Turkey loss, they were the better team clearly. So they were so much better in the group stage this time around than they were four years ago. So I, I just don't,

I don't like that if you've only won this many games, it's kind of like I've always hated the

Parcel's quote about like you are who you, you are what your records says you are, and I'm like, it actually isn't true. It feels like there's a point line. There's no nuance to it. It is. Yeah, I was like, parcells are such a god that we just like repeated all these parcell's isms. Remember what's like if you get the quarterback wrong in the first round, it's such a franchise back 10 years. You're like 10 years Bill, 10 years? There's no recovery. And you know, again,

he's such a legend in his sport. We kept repeating this shit all the time. And then I remember like the first time I pushed back, you know, many times you'll see an NFL team with a 4011 record and

“you're like, they stink. I think I got lucky on turnovers. Their schedule's been really easy.”

And they'll be another 3 and 2 team. And you're like, that team's way better than that 4011 team. Yeah, you'll see. And you know, Joe Flacco makes a super run. You're like, I just see what I just saw. We sure that he's any good. What's going on? You know, crazy stuff happened to you. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. The 1 and 4 years, like there's so many narratives and people were just going to go back in their cave. And I said, it's funny. Yeah, I'm not going to pick on important right

here. But he was like, oh, and four years don't let me get, you know, I got I got sucked in right and four years don't let me get sucked in again. Like, do you probably get sucked in again? This is what this is like. It's sucked in. Yeah. It's easy. It's going to get sucked in. Yeah. It's okay. I will say just to your point on like the people that parachute in every four years. And again, I didn't play. So like, I'm not claiming that I know the, I don't have the answers to the questions. But I don't really

try to always answer them. And I certainly don't like proclaim that I'm some extra after watching

a couple groups stage games of teams and guys that I've never heard of. But like the drop in and be like our best athletes thing. Like we talked about this at the moment. It's absolutely insane. Look at Spain's team dude. It's a bunch of accountants. Like, there's just a bunch of random, like small dudes who are just like wizards with the ball. Okay. Now, there are some teams. Obviously, Holland is a, is a, is a freak of nature. I did see a very funny tweet that was like,

"American needs its own version of Holland." It's like, if Holland was, was American, he'd be like a D2 basketball player. You know, like, that's where that's where he would get funneled into the system. But so that's a dumb one. I think the other thing is now everybody wants to fix the youth setup, right? Everyone's got to fix youth soccer. That's like, you guys don't know

because if there was an easy answer to this, we've already done it. It would be done. But we just don't,

“we don't have that answer. So, I don't know. Every four years we have to bring this up and I just kind”

of like roll my ass. I'll never agree with you guys about the best athletes playing different sports

things. I'm sorry. It's just, it's a math thing. If there was no American football, athleticism in soccer though, is not, it's not the differentiator. It helps. Yeah, but you develop it. This is where I would even push back on Twoman and the whole skills thing. If we're talking about the best athletes not playing soccer because our best athletes are not playing soccer. If they didn't have other options, the best athletes would figure out all the soccer skills.

And I'm not even talking about like the 6, 7, 6, 9 got you've convinced me. There's too many short guys running around. There's a fitness element to this. You don't need to be jacked. You don't even need anything like these guys are all. You know what's kind of funny? I was thinking about this. Soccer kind of reminds me when I went to UVM. UVM you didn't really have to worry about it all that much because there wasn't that many bad asses except for maybe like soar gooey. There, you know,

Martell was so hot that people just didn't even then there was Trevor. But there was never,

you were never like really that afraid. And in soccer these guys fuck with each other so much because there's really not anybody out there that's going to do anything to you. So you've convinced me on the size thing, right? Wait, wait, let me push back on that though. Is anybody going to do anything in the NBA? Those guys are like, come on dude. Those guys like that, that's too. That's the whole me back crew. Like everybody in the NBA is like yelling at someone as soon as

somebody has their arms around you. Then they want to be true. Well nobody really wants to do it and get fine and lose game money and all that kind of stuff because there's so much money. But they, there's certain teams too. Like there's certain countries I will now dislike forever based on the way they handle themselves, especially when they're down and the game is over. And now it's just 20 minutes of we're going to fuck with you and like get our money's worth on the way out of here.

And again, I don't know that was vacationing to some of these places. I'm sorry, without, messy, Argentina's not a very like team. They're just not like, I don't know if you will hand up. I'll be the first one to admit that. But that turkey was a little spicy there. That was weird though, because they were, I mean, that was like the, they were already limiting. That was like they're super both like why you guys just picked now to start trying cool. That's fun.

“Yeah. Um, I, I, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I,”

and I'm not talking about, you've convinced me again if this. I'm not talking about like some d-end. Okay, running. Yeah, if you want every side of the soccer. Yeah, right, you've got me there, right. But I still think Westbrook would have figured it out. If Westbrook was like, I like soccer.

And I don't have all these other options. I, I'm never going to agree with anyone on that kind

of thing. And then when people bring up like the US women's team, take, well, they don't have American football as an option. They're also incredibly, uh, it's an incredibly resource group in comparison to who they're competing against. Should be comparing it to how we listen to this content. Like, really, they've had that disappointing world cup, obviously. I mean, they had like, I mean, you know, I'm not trying to like get into this a little bit. But like there's a very big

argument that like Title IX was huge 30 years ago, like that really gave them a leg up on the rest of the world. And the rest of the world is actually kind of caught up to the US women, not that they're not awesome still. But it's just, it's more competitive. But think about that, there's like a good parallel too. And now we're just talking about international sports here. But, you know, when the dream team was put together, basketball in 92, because we're just so sick of being embarrassed,

it was brutal. You know, it was like an NBA team playing high school teams. And when you're starting from such a low point for everywhere else, like the pace with which you're able to kind

“of become competitive, even if the overall talent is still, I think, heavily favors United States,”

for basketball. When you're at 90, and the other place is starting at zero, like it's much easier to get closer to you than it's just for you to maintain any kind of that gap, which speaks to your US women's team thing. But look, I love this tournament. And I think I love it more and more every time it rolls around. And I think that's the best part of sport. And like the confusing thing of like, oh, you guys have never figured out, American football is way harder to figure out

than soccer. I still, I've been watching the NFL or college football. They're still stuff. I'm like, I mean, heaven forbid, you say something about an offensive lineman, and then Jeff Schwartz is going to be on your ass in five minutes. You know, we don't, well, that's like two of us actually know what the read is. So you could talk about like, oh, soccer. You guys will never figure it out. I'm like, I don't know if I watched it for a year, like, nonstop. I think I think I, I mean,

not have like the ultimate of the kind of like the basketball thing. Or it's like, hey, that guy scored 25 points. He must be really good. And you're like, actually, no, he isn't good. He's not good for winning. I mean, I get to that point. I'm like, so I was watching at my entire

people are like, well, why should a toe over this line dictate whether a goal was good or not?

It's like, you realize we do that in football with like the end zone and the sidelines, right? Like, this is not different. Like, it's, it's the same. Like, there's going to be a line just sucks that it's. Why are we going to throw it? Yeah. I don't know. It's okay. But like, that's probably not super pumped about about where the line was drawn. I don't know, like his, let's put some line. I mean, Kevin Durant, I'm not saying it's apples to apples. But like,

you got to draw a line somewhere. So like, I don't, what, what, what does it matter where the line is? If it's a clue when the guy, we're going to be arguing about the off side's calls and matter if it's if it's at the front of the body or the back of the body. There's a line somewhere. That's it. It should be like the beyond the line of scrimmage throw. Where you're still allowed to throw it at any part of your body, so the line of scrimmage. But there's still a line.

“Yeah. So what I'm saying, we are talking about it. Offside should be you have to be completely”

clear of of someone's body. Right. Okay. So if you're even, or your arm is out in front of them, none of that should ever be off sides. I would actually want it so hard to score in this sport. I don't think that change is one single thing though. Because again, we're just going to be drawn the line in a different spot and dudes are going to be arguing on X to Twitter and wherever we're about the same about just a line that's two feet in front of it and set two feet behind. It's the same

thing. It's as someone who cares about it once every four years. It mattered me. That's your right. That's your prerogative. I really like that you. I'm happy you enjoyed it. It's been an awesome tournament. I hope people keep watching this sport. You know, I've had a lot of people be like, hey, what team show root for. So I don't know. I don't like to make those decisions because it's kind of personal. But it's fun, man. It's really fun.

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“Let's just start with the headline. Let's start with LeBron. Where do you think he goes?”

I think it's Cleveland. I think it's been Cleveland all along. I think he knows. He's been known. Everyone knows. Everyone's talking about like they know behind the scenes. And I think the big thing for LeBron is, you know, we can play this out. Like it's, ooh, should I go to Miami? Should I go to Golden State? But I think honestly, it's just about having domain over the space. Right now, the world is locked, fixated on the world cup. And I think LeBron recognizes,

hey, even my announcement won't break through that noise. He's got to let this thing play out. So we got a couple more weeks. In the meantime, he's going to do this thing where he golfs here and he golfs there. And we're like, oh, I think he's going to go there. But I think ultimately it's Cleveland. I agree with you. I don't have a nation on it. I just think it's the easiest place for him to kind of relaunch where he knows. It's kind of still on his terms, which I think is a really

important part of this. I know you want to jump in. So go, can I be selfish? selfishly, I do want to go to Warriors. I know they're old. I know the chances of them all getting to April, healthy is slim and none. But I just, I keep going back to 2024 and watching him and Steph Curry played together on the same team. And it's how seamless it was. It looked like those guys have been playing together forever. And I said, this might be the most perfect two-man

basketball I've ever seen. And we should be so lucky. Now, it started in 2022 before I started

rooting. Man, I've never cared where I played it gone before, but it would be really cool to see

Steph and LeBron play on the same team. Yeah, I think it would be the biggest story. And it would be, if you're talking about the business entertainment side of it, that would be the kind of thing where you would see a spike in attention being paid to just regular season golden state games because I think that's probably the the most fun destination for him. But this process,

to have a really hard time with retirement. Okay. He is, he has pushed the boundaries of what we think is even possible for basketball player. So there's some basketball stuff I'd ask you about, but I'll admit that I, I probably was like, oh, why did you think this was going to be a quick thing? Like, this is him getting all of the attention in a way that he has shown us time and

“time again. Like, this is very, very important to him. And man, when he is not playing,”

it's, I don't know what he's going to do to fill that void that is a very important part of him. Yeah. You know, and, and a big part of it is their ability to monetize this, whether the money goes to charity or not as it did in 2010 or in 2026 through Rich Paul's podcast with Max Kellerman getting more attention. They had Bob Myers on to do a pitch. And I said, there's no chance.

This is a real pitch. If Bob Myers, first of all, Bob Myers is famously said, I'm hands off. I'm

going to hire the guy Mike Gansy. He runs the sixers. My job is the greater kind of Harris sports and entertainment complex. So Bob Myers sitting there and doing the sales page. I'm like, this is all performance art, but it's all designed for one thing. It's a, hey, we will control the monetization of the story in a way that we haven't seen done before. And rightly, well, I'm not here to judge it or criticize it or praise it. I'm just saying that LeBron does

have a tendency to kind of extend out like what are the parameters of how big this circus can be. And this is no, no different. I don't think I've actually, on the other side of it, enjoyed some of the Rich Paul's stuff. The whiteboard thing was hysterical. The reasons behind the cow, goat, Macau. But dudes are just saying Macau and NBA worlds right now over and over again. There are so many things that are immediately like that's definitely not happening. I think Bob

did it because he thought it'd be fun. Really, I don't think it's anything a sinister. We're all convinced that everything's like all of these things are being done in the back channels and like this is, this is not up to the standard. I think Bob is like a really light-hearted guy who was fantastic at the job and thought it would be kind of fun to do it. Now Bob is taking all sorts of shit which is hilarious because then people were mad at him about the Clay Thompson comment

about analytics and channel Brown. It was like, I thought I was losing my mind because then I went and looked up Clay Thompson stats again and I'm like, yeah, it's analytics. We're not good. It's when she hears 48 or way below what you think. Boxcore plus minus with all those teams is

“lower than you think. PR, which I know no one likes anymore. But that's what Bob Myers was saying”

and the people were arguing that he was making that up as well because people were just so pissed that Bob Myers was seeing there was rich Paul as if there was somehow breaking the rules about how this Brown pursuits going to need to go. Yeah, I mean, I think the thing that people I think have a poor grasp on is that any analytical metric does not represent a be all end all. It represents a certain point of view and that point of view can be accurate and it can be overstated, right?

So when we talk about Clay for example, we'd think of as a great defensive player. Was a great defensive player when he was in this prime. But there's arguments that it's like, yeah, but like we're maybe overstating that part of it. He was he was really good. Was he good enough to impact on a team level on a macro level, a team defense? Probably not. But because we recognize the individuality, the greatness and individuality, it's like, all right, that gives

an extra boost. So I think when it comes to dealing Brown, I'm obviously the, you know, Bobby Marx's source that said he's a set of the best player on the team, that would represent an extreme of the opinion. But the prevailing opinion is he may not be as good as people have on practice. We, that does not mean he's not good. That does not mean he's not an asset does that not mean he wasn't one of the driving forces behind Celtic success over the, you know, over his

entirety of the career. It does not mean that he's not going to come to Philly and being incredible. It just

means that hey, maybe maybe you guys have him up here and he's really like a little bit lower than that. Yeah, I kind of pivoted as too hard to the jam with the thing which I still have some more LeBron thoughts. But since we're on it, we'll stay with it. You know, the market firm was bad. And there are bad trades where you're like, I can't believe this happened. This is the bad trade

“because I just still don't think that you should have to give a two-picks and Jalen Brown”

for the six years to get off the Paul George contract, because I think it would have taken the two picks to get off the Paul George contract just to the vacuum. But, you know, there's certain people in basketball and we always have to remind ourselves of this. But can you imagine the stuff

like what we think we know and then the stuff we absolutely never know? And then second part is such a

you know, we were actually offered this or we could have done this and all these different things.

And you start getting more information on it. So it's a trade I still can't believe that happened. But I understand why it happened because this trade was proof of how bad the market was. This trade wasn't done because they wanted to turn down something better. This was signifying to your point that whatever you think of Jalen Brown, he's not worth the money in this new world. Right. To me, so this is a point that's very near and dear to my heart,

because I worked with the Phoenix sons and Robert Sarboz, our owner. And we had all sorts of ownership pressures that made us do deals that on the outset are just as ridiculous as this except they weren't with stars. We traded Kurt Thomas to Oklahoma City along with two

first rompets. And that was just because our luxury tax bill was what it was going to be at the end of

the year. But the summer before that year, our owner is on our head. We got to cut. We got to cut. And Steve Kurt, believe this was like his first official act as General Manager, he got swindled in essence by by Sam Presti. Sam Presti understood the pressure that Steve was under and he exploited it, must his credit. And you could trace a lot of today's Oklahoma City Thunder

“back to that original transaction because I think those picks turn into their vodka,”

back returns into the depot, et cetera, et cetera. So my point is, you can tell me, hey, we got to trade jail and brown. You can tell me, hey, the jail and brown market wasn't that great. Well, you cannot tell me that we had to trade them right now for this. Because as you said, Paul George in a vacuum, you got to give me picks just to take that deal. Just just taking Paul George up your hands, let alone giving up an asset in jail and brown, even if it's an asset that

you're going to have to pay in a couple of years. So I just don't understand other than my owner was on my ass. The idea that there was a sense of urgency that had to happen now and if it didn't happen now, all hell is going to break loose. And I wonder, is it internal dynamics? Is it a reticence to deal with a uncomfortable conversation with jail and brown, reintegrating them in there after the Eonis talks? Because I know you know these guys as well, Brad Stevens,

Mike Zaryn, Dave Luna. These guys are smart guys, man. These are smart dudes. They don't do deals like that. They're not guys that just got on the job a year ago. They've been around the league for a long time. There's no way you tell me that they thought that this was the best deal and it happened to happen. Hat to happen right now. My guess would be they were probably like this sucks. But to your point, those three guys are really smart guys. And they have an incredible track record, whether it's

you know, Dave's being there a long time, who's really good on players and like Mike's been there forever. I used to know him when I lived in Boston and of course then it's Brad Stevens who,

“you know, part of I think the reaction is, wait, you don't, you don't ever do stuff like this.”

But you're always doing smart things. So how does smart person do something like this? And I think

that's kind of like what your conclusion is. Is that you go, I don't, I don't think these guys like even having to do this deal, do it now and do it for the package that came back. This may play into the East thing. So let me just pivot it back to LeBron. Because is there is him landing anywhere significant for that team's prospects? Like how different do you look at Cleveland going into the 27 playoffs with a health and LeBron versus what we just saw?

I'll be honest with you. I don't think it changes much for them. I think they're, they're better. Yes. But in terms of the grand scheme of things, does this take Cleveland to a championship level? I don't think so. Obviously, if he gets there, there's a lot of conjecture about what's going to happen in order for him to get there. Does that mean hardens on his way out? Does that mean

“Jared Allen might be also on the way out? I think it's a different team at Berlingson excitement and”

energy clearly took a fan base. But in terms of does this put them over the next? Does this put them over the sixers? Hell, there's arguments or there's some other teams in the East that are up and coming like Atlanta. Like we don't even know what, my Amy's going to look like after they're done, you know, filling out the roster on the honest. I don't know if it puts them head and shoulders at anywhere. But obviously, you do the deal if you're Cleveland. This is, I mean, the check

writes itself pretty much. Yeah, I wonder, you know, I was just going to Brian Winhorse this week. And he was talking about how like when their LeBron was going to come back and Cleveland had Gordon Hayward like on the premises. Yeah, ready to sign and then LeBron's camp causes like, what are you doing? Yeah. And they're like, well, what are you doing? You know, can you let us know what you're doing? It's like, well, of course not.

what I think is especially like when you're turning 42 and I don't know if he's, I still think you like once the mid level, which is going to be really hard for Cleveland to try to figure out because it was the most expensive roster in the NBA last year. And maybe, you know, we wait Dean Wade leaving and he's like, all right, well, like we have to kind of make moves here to allow ourselves the flexibility of this whole thing. So if it's the minimum clearly, it's we can keep this

team together. I'd imagine, but if he wants more than that, you know, this is where if you're

“another guy in the team, like if you're Joe Allen going like, am I going to get traded in August?”

If you're James Harden, you're going, hey, the hard reason I accept, yeah, right, the Harden thing like if you accepted, this feels a very trade-youngish. I mean, where if you were like, yeah, actually, I will go to Cleveland, even though I'm not going to get the extension here in the Clippers like an NBA speak, that means that there's already something that's been decided, even if it feels like after the playoffs, your Kobe Altman going like, do I really have to give this guy

two years and 80 million? But I mean, but if you think of James Harden, it's like, again, the whole

reason I came here, like you said, is this, but also I opted out. I could opt it in and just said, all right, whatever, like you guys don't want to extend me cool. I'm opting in and then we'll just play it out or you can trade me somewhere that where they're going to pay me, but he opted out. Like, there's a scenario. I don't think this is going to happen, but there is a scenario where they just renounces bird rights and that cap hold comes out the books and now miraculously,

there are a lot closer if not under the threshold that allows them to give LeBron. Middle-level exception. Well, it's just like that, right? And that's a scenario that obviously Harden does not want. That's a nightmare scenario, but it highlights kind of what LeBron is doing by doing this is that he is really throwing a wrench into a lot of people's planning because every day that Harden is not signed, that's one less dollar elsewhere, because everybody else is

getting picked up. So there's a lot of moving parts. And then the big thing though is this year,

“unlike 2014, 2014, I remember I had to do sports center and I flew to Bristol and they just kept me”

there because no decision was made and we just kept waiting and waiting and waiting. Now, this is a little different. People went ahead and did their transactions man. No one really waited to see if LeBron was going to do something or not. The only teams that are kind of in the lurch year are Cleveland and Golden State. But Golden State has a pretty clear idea, very must not go anywhere. It's not like, oh, we had them decline the option now. We might lose them.

He's staying. Harden is a different one, right? It's like, how he's more more curial, let's say, in temperament and his relationship with the organization is nowhere near as long, rooted and successful as Dream Ones is. So I don't know how all of this is going to play out for Cleveland, regardless of if LeBron gets there or not. The minimum thing was weird because then I would do it. Well, then just stay in L.A. Then now you have a center. You have other on-ball guys. Like,

yeah, I got really expensive. I don't like the orchestra price at all. Like I'm looking through some of the deals. Maybe we can spend a couple minutes on the Lakers here. But I still want to just stay on the headline of the LeBron part of it. It's like, well, if you were going to do the minimum, you probably should have just been taken the minimum with the Lakers and you likely would have a far more well-rounded team. The hard part of this, I'm kind of, if that's really,

I'm with you. I don't think this happens, but the scenario of like Duane Wade opting out

years ago. And then, you know, he always says he didn't know. And then I had asked Wade about the

money part of it and he liked it. He said, I'm going to get my money. And that was on the air. So I was like, okay, I don't know what that means. But just with hard and sister of a money that he's cost himself on some of these decisions. And then the faith and Philadelphia that it was all going to work out. And then they very similar to like this post Cleveland, this post season run. I'm like, I'm sure he really want to do this. And Daryl, depending on which side of that story you

believe, I mean, again, hard and took the $13 million pay cut. Usually you don't do that. And unless there's some sort of understanding. And maybe Daryl was actually the guy that goes, you know what?

“I don't want to then give him the money. And that's why you called him a liar. And then look,”

as soon as I say this, I mean, the six are probably so sick of me anyway. But in the past, it would be like, hey, it was investigated. Like, nothing ever happened. You're wrong about this.

And I go, all right, fine. Like, but again, so that means it'd be a clear took a $13 million

our pay cut for no reason whatsoever. But that, and be a player. That, and get that, you know, that guy who lost all that money deciding to forgo the extensions in the past, thinking he was going to make it up. So to say it one more time, I don't think that this is going to happen to her. Because I would think if LeBron wants to go to Cleveland, he wants hardened to be there. He would want him to be there to just everyone kind of mate, like maintenance of the

people go like, oh, it isn't going to be the third string guy to, to Luke and Austin Reeves.

I felt like he was comfortable giving up possessions throughout the regular season. I think he's really smart about what it takes for his own maintenance throughout a six month schedule. So if he goes to Cleveland, and then they don't have hardened, I'd be surprised if that's his preference to get his way of going to where he most wants to sign for like the mid-level. Instead of having just a better chance at winning the east. The maintenance part is massive, right?

The idea that I don't have to be Superman every night is a massive key to this because rightfully, if you take hardened off the table, now it's LeBron and Donovan Mitch. Evan Mobile just does not seem to have the temperament to be a guy who is a workhorse that be 28% usage and all that on a regular basis. So he's off the table and then outside of that, who's a creator? Who's someone for them that does that? It would be LeBron and Donovan

Mitch, which means they got to be there every night. And if one of them goes down, if Donovan springs an ankle or something's out four to six weeks, now it's LeBron doing this every

“single night. I cannot believe that's what he wants. He wants and he wants a scenario where he can”

be himself and have those moments where he reminds everyone how great he is. But also have a lot of nights where it's like, all right fellas, you take it from here, right? I'll do this. I'll be 39-year-old Carl Malone out of the high post in a triangle offense in L.A. And I'll just do

fill in the gaps here and there. I'll still get my 28 and six by the way, which is just amazing

that he can do it. But not just not in the way where it's like giving them the ball and everyone's one. That's good. We know this. All these stats are not created critically. You can get 28 and six in the flow. You get 28 and six because you are the dominant purpose of that. And while most people say, oh yeah, that's second one. Sounds a lot better. A lot cooler, a lot more prestigious. It's tiring man. That's a slog every night to be number one on the on the scouting report and

then have every scheme designed to take the stuff away from you. And it's just it's so much easier to get to do it the other way if you're capable of doing it and he's absolutely capable of doing it. I do wonder though, maybe, you know, we're talking this out. If he's thinking about the playoff going, okay, because like one of my issues with the hardened Mitchell thing in the playoff is like, man, this is Mitchell watching a lot of stuff here. Okay. And the whole idea was that it was going to

make Mitchell's life easier having hardened sit at Garland or that Garland was too on the ball and Mitchell was watching. And I'm telling you that that playoff front, I'm like, this is a lot of Mitchell watching hardened here. So what, what's going on? And if you throw LeBron into that, you know, LeBron is so brilliant at all of this. He figures out a way to plug in the gas, but are you actually going to sacrifice like good to Mitchell positions and good LeBron positions

to have hardened, who's not going to change. He's not going to change the way that he plays. Are you bringing in, if it's those three guys, we're like, hey, this is really good in the regular season, but in the playoffs, this is a lot of people watching hardened figure out which way he's going to attack. And that was confusing to me too because again, Kenny is both a really bright coach

“and also a very, he's not a a wallflower. We know that. I mean, that's why he got out of Brooklyn,”

because he wanted to coach. And those guys weren't necessarily receptive to him coaching in that fashion.

Yeah, that's being nice. That Donovan, similarly, it's also a guy who's never passed up a shot.

He's like, he's a pretty aggressive guy and a confident guy. And then lump on in that hardened plate, so poorly and so many of those games that I find myself kind of confused. What's happening here? Why, I saw the same thing you did. I'm like, why is he saying something? Why isn't there? No, no, no, no, give me the ball. Get out of the way. It's not going for you tonight. Why isn't why isn't Kenny taking the ball out of his hands? So in that respect, I think LeBron, like you said,

it's smart enough to come in and figure out how I'm going to make everybody better. In the same way that with Kyrie, you know, you could argue, you know, what if LeBron takes the ball out of Kyrie's handsle? You didn't really. Like it was just, hey, Kyrie, I'm going to leave you of a lot of the duties that you would have to make your life easier, man. Yeah. You just get to go out there and be you. And I think what Donovan, I absolutely believe that. Hardness is a different story.

Ken Harden exists as a guy who does not have the ball in his hands. And can he accept that, right? Can he exist theoretically short? Can he accept that? Because that's a hard part for a lot of these guys.

“So you say, yeah, yeah, I can. And then you have to do and you realize, you don't know how,”

Russell Westman going to Lakeers was a great example of this where Russell, like, oh, they act like I can't play with other great players. It's cool. And like, hey, I don't doubt your sincerity. I

And then the reality is said in, and he's like, oh, this is awful. And I could go back to,

it was a nickname in the asked them about being a point guard. And he kind of scoffed at the question. I don't even think the question was about Russell's asking about some young player on another team. Hey, you know, what what advice does a point guard? I hope point guard on now. I'm a point guard. It was, but it was indicative of like, hey, we can promise a lot of things to people and mean it. And then when the time comes, figure out, oh, this might be a bigger promise than I can then I can hold

up to. Yeah. I mean, if he ends up going there in hardened stays and they put together a nice regular season, it's going to, like, I don't know if they'll end up being the favors. I don't know, Vegas, so fall for it. But I have a feeling if they're going to look, they'll look very different. They'll be a different offensive attack. Like it might just be so much if they're able to keep those five guys together. You know, like, hey, that's a really good basketball team. And it's going to put together

50 plus wins. And they're going to have some awesome offensive numbers. But then I'll have to remind myself an April of next year to go. Remember how you felt about this and knowing that the playoffs it would look entirely different because, and then I'm not just talking about like part of his history here, just will LeBron saying game four of a series. Go, hey, guess what? Like I'm not sick. Like Donovan may have let it happen to you. Let it happen. Kenny may have let it happen. I'm I'm not letting

it happen. It's like this might be my last run at it. Okay, let's, let's get to the makers here.

I was looking at the numbers again today. So that's Grimes 60 million full guarantee with a player

option. He was coming off the rookie scale. So it's not entirely fair to do, maybe the

“the Mamo comp, where he's a full 52 million guarantee with a player option when he was making, I think”

2.6 average annual South. Rookie scale. He had the qualifying offer. This is an entirely fair. And look, hey, the Colin Sexton thing is a discount. So at 9.080 here, that's half of what he was making before we got that big extension. And then it's walk Kessler 130 and all of the picks. I appreciate that this is outside of Kessler more on ball initiators that these are guys that can, like I think Mamo can do a lot of different things. I think he's a really nice basketball player.

That seems expensive. Where are you with all of these most? So Grimes, I'm okay with because I think that's that's basically a hair under mid level for him. So that's about where he is as a player. Sandro's same thing, the center market. We see what, you know, obviously you get past the yokeaches and the in beads. When you look at the next caliber of center, what Mitch Robbins

“in sign for, what Isaiah Hartin sign in sign for, I think that tracks for Sandro. I think the”

big one that we all what kind of say, that's a big walker Kessler. That is a massive commitment to a player who I love his game. Like he's a guy who knows what he's supposed to do and trust me ladies and gentlemen, that is so big in today's NBA. It's just a guy who he doesn't have delusions of Grander. But that's the number where it's like, okay, if he doesn't pan out for whatever reason, we're going to be sitting here in the same way that Mazgav, you know,

10 years ago, he was really that much for Mazgav, huh? Who was not invited? I'm going to ask him. I see him working out every now and then. I run into him and Manhattan Beach, Mazgav, and I go ask him about like, how could, how could you have not? The Mazgav call is a great, because you're like, what, like, man, I kind of liked him. Like, what is that deal? And of course, like, you just have to deal with inflation and the capping creasing to make it a comparable number to to what

Kessler's. But Kessler has to be awesome. He can't be okay. He has to be awesome with this kind of commitment to him. And I still think he's a bit, I don't know if it's unknown, but do you have any reservation like, despite the numbers he's put up, especially the advanced stuff? And this is such an air and minsteel. It is so clear that's like, hey, yeah, you five years 140. Yeah, most people would sign that and be happy to do it. We're going to get more and we're going to get a player option.

And we're going to go to a different market and you're going to make it happen. And this is like, this is why mince is one of the best, obviously. But I would have rather done this for

somebody who I've known has put up like four years of sick numbers and has always been available

“with like maybe one all-star team in there. And if I think he's still kind of an unknown a little bit.”

It was, it was a gamble. And this is restricted for agency at work, right? If you're a max player, restricted for agency that does not work, right? Because all that means is just, they're waiting for someone to give you a max offer sheet so that we can match and our number now is lower than what it had been, how we just offered you max to start with, right?

great area. Like, what does he work? Because we have this ridiculous maximum salary. If we did not max salaries, I think this whole thing will look so different because players would be getting paid what they're actually worth. And then we figure out how much money you want to actually allocate. But because we can only pay off and raise so much, there's a fall off trickle of money and Walker Kessler is the recipient as such. But you're saying like, oh, I would want someone like that.

If it was someone like that, it was basically dealing during. It's a max deal that Detroit's going

“to match. You have to almost put your ass show your ass a little bit when you're going after”

restrictive reagent. Because you're saying, I got to make it in a way that they're not going to want to match. And that's what the Lakers did. Now, the flip side of that is you're right. We're taking a little bit of a risk on a guy. If he was a short thing, he would have got the money. But he's not. Yeah, right. He's put up. He's put up the numbers. Right. Exactly. That guy's not available. He's put up the numbers, not only having missed most of the last year. But we'll factor

on top of it. He's put up these numbers in one of the worst environments. This is the quintessential looter in the right. Now, I'm not saying he's not good. I'm just saying his numbers come with the tint of, yeah, nobody cares. We're actively trying to lose games here. And so we ask, hey, is this this transfer over to a winning environment? Does this transfer over to possessions that matter? Does this transfer over to playoffs? I honestly can't sit here and say yes or no for Walker

Kessler, because I've never seen him in that environment. What I do know is he's it's not like he was

Delil Oca for where it's like, yeah, I kind of you got to give me the ball on the block and for me to feel good. This is a guy who's subsisted on. I said screens are all hard. I boxed out our rebound. And those

“10 to transfer over. I know you have to run because you're at Summer League. And I want to do two things”

here. It's pretty quick out of the Salt Lake games that you have the basketball world going like wait a minute, is Peterson all time generational guy that was already screwed this up, which feels incredibly unfair to the weather. But is a Peterson guy? I have to admit when I watch him score in as many ways as he can with the ease with which he scored, knowing the essence of Summer League. I watch him a walkie roster the other night. I was like, I don't know. I shouldn't be able to say this,

but I don't know if there's like, I think they have six skies. I don't know who they are. And that's bad for me because I cover this league. So you have to take that in consideration. So I want you to give me a little bit of your Peterson age. I think after a couple Peterson games under his belt, then give me your best front office Summer League maybe overreaction story before you bounce because I know your Vegas for tonight. Yeah. So the Peterson thing is he went to. He didn't. This isn't

“in drop the like 20 or 14 or whatever. He went to. So I think he is performing as we would have”

expected. I think I don't think the wizards are like, oh my god, he's that good. They knew it's just that AJ for his position and his size. And whatever other intangibles happen in the meetings and the workouts and all that stuff, the interviews, that's a side. But there's no, I don't think there's any part of this that is shocking to the Washington wizards. And it's, to me, it's more shocking to the public because we went through this weird Darren Peterson smear campaign

because all he doesn't want to play and he doesn't care. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Because it was just so over the top and hyper focused on a couple of isolated incidents that I think we were kind of being ridiculous about that. But yeah, he looks great. This is the sad part about Summer League. You could look great and it really doesn't mean anything. But if you look bad, that's that's something that we're going to start asking questions and dissecting a whole lot closer.

All right, so give me a front office Summer League deal. There's, there's never going to be

an Josh Selby. That's always going to be number one on my list. He was coming out of high school. He was either the number one or the number two rank kid in the country. He goes to Kansas. He's okay at Kansas, but it's like a lot of it's like all built self, kind of bump heads with him, whatever. So he comes out of his freshman year despite now in a great year. He goes in a second round. So everyone's like, oh, yeah, you know, I didn't really show and prove

whatever comes to Summer League has a monster gap. It was a 40 year something like that and everyone was like, oh my God, they all missed on and how could you miss on them? And you guys fell for the Bill Selby and needless to say his career didn't go much of anywhere. The flip side is I was there for Jeremy Lynn versus John Wall. And I was the guy sitting there like guys, it's Summer League who cares and you know, turned out the play tonight. They're a pretty good player.

Ah, that's good. I love it. Hopefully some more stories from the next few nights. Always.

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still blue coffee.com or subscribe on Amazon for 10% off. He has been the face that has welcomed you into the world of soccer. The covers of the world cup for Fox Sports. It is my neighbor, Rob Stone, and Simsbury legend. Getting a Simsbury legend in there. Right off the bat. How many cats do you guys? I mean, what are you what were your stats? Let's see. Well, I played soccer and basketball. It seems very high school. I was a two year dude on the basketball team. I was I was like

the floor burn guy. I was six man only because we only had five guys that can really play. I love my cow. I love high school basketball. So much fun. Soccer. Yeah. I played varsity for three years, played state team regional team, Colgate, blah, blah, blah. So soccer was my soccer was my DNA as far as playing. But I still got a good little. That's from diving on the diving on the hardwood at practice. Not in a game at practice, Ryan. That's the kind of team

that you are and why it's always loved working with you all the way back to the ESPN day. So

we started the pot. You know, I've enjoyed the hell out of it. I've obviously pivoted, you know, however many years once I started really appreciating the sport, spectacle and everything. I went to the game against Turkey. It was it was even better than I thought. My expectations were really high to see that stadium to see just it be on fire and the venue looked incredible and everything. But obviously at this point in a Belgium and that being debated with a lot of

me included a lot of drive by soccer fans. So if somebody who lives breezes every single day,

“what do you make of of the exit and what this run means to where US soccer is?”

So let's start with the exit. Okay. You know, the good news. 30 million people watched it on Fox. Bad news. 30 million people watched, you know, that 90 minute performance from the US national team. I think that's the part that that stings that it was just such an ugly, unfortunate exit that had multiple moments where people will just kind of snap shot it and go, "Yeah, yeah,

that's US soccer. Look at these guys. They can't figure themselves out. They'll never be anything."

So that that's the frustrating part because if you go back to the other games, you're like, "Wow, I'm inspired by these guys. This is really good entertaining, attacking soccer that people could latch onto." And clearly they did, you know, millions and millions of more people came into this roll-up tent. This USman's national team tent. Then we're there before things started. So I hate the way that it ended. You know, I just

wish it was like a tight-to-one game. You know, I wish there was no political discourse about it. You know, I don't love the fact that there's that that perception that, you know, our president put his thumb on the scale a little bit to turn things. But yet then there's a part of me that's like, well, at least we have some government leadership that kind of cares about the World Cup because you go back to 1994. And I remember, you know, they weren't sending

Bill Clinton. It was Al Gore, you know, from like, "Let's get the, let's get the main dude in town, right? This is a big deal." So at least that, you know, our leader cares enough or knows enough that it's happening. So very conflicted torn in the end though. It just, it pains me that that's the way it ended. It doesn't pay me that it ended because I knew it was going to come to a close and and the round of 69 always felt like the landing spot. Like this kind of felt like this

moment we're going to bring her in and put her down for a nice soft landing and thanks for everything. But if you're able to step away from that, that performance on the field and look at the crowds that we had following us, whether that was in LA or Seattle or the Bay Area, it was tremendous.

“And, you know, I think I'd said at one point in Seattle, you know, I've never seen anything”

like this in my life because I've been around soccer a long time and it hadn't been there for American soccer. Yeah, there have been fans and, you know, a bunch of, you know, the little ponytail mafia following the women's team in in 99 and, and the phomo of what 94 was, it was just

behind me or inside the stadiums and, and, you know, my, my text chains were just like nonstop about world cup. Like I had to mute several text chains from from my, my people, my friends, because I just, I couldn't, I couldn't handle anymore. I'm like, I'm going to get to you in two hours. But like right now, I got to focus on this game and people just wanted to talk soccer. And, and they want to be a part of this world cup and be part of this national team. So,

I think in the end, it's a long way of going. It was a win, a disappointing exit, but overall, it was a win for US soccer. There's no denying from the attention, the growth of the game and all of the factors that you just brought up. But from just a team standpoint, again, I don't really know what I'm watching, but even going back to the first game against Paraguay, I was like, this looks different. Well, this looks like I have more guys that can attack. It has more guys that can

finish your possession. Like, I don't remember seeing this. I always felt like a little bit of,

it's almost like I'm having a quarterback on 3rd and 7, we're like, we never convert these

“ever. And that's what US men's soccer felt like now. By the way, trust your eyes,”

your smart guy, like you, you're spot on, you totally nailed it. You know, there was a lot of hand ring around this national team in the months leading up to this world cup. And I was one of them, you know, and I listen, I'll be honest, I was softly suffocating it. You know, I wanted to be positive and not be, but down deep, I was like, I'm really worried. You know, I'm worried about this, because we have been handed the best possible opportunity to have success at a World Cup that

arguably we may ever have. An expanded tournament, you know, we're put in the pool of 18. So we're automatically avoiding, you know, some of the top nations in our group stage. We know where our games are and they were, you know, lined up on the West Coast for a reason. We knew what our past was. We had this home feel of it. Like, we had everything gifted to us. But I was worried. And those last two tuneups before the World Cup, you know, a win, and then a loss to Germany. I was like,

wait a second, my eyes saw what your eyes saw. Like, this is, this is different. This is a confident

team. This is a team that we can drop on a stage and international viewers who are here watching this team and overseas ago. Well, those Americans aren't so bad, actually. And to me, like, the

“one thing was, and I think you spot, you hit it spot on was, we're attacking dudes. Like, we're going after”

you. One V1. Like, there's no better way to win a sport basketball football, soccer, hockey, then beating your opponent. One versus one changes the dynamics. You get by that dude, then everybody else has to readjust and you're controlling the cards. US has done that for years. And done that for years. And they were doing that with regularity and with fearlessness and more times than not winning those one V1 battles. That created these early starts and these early goals. So,

yeah, optimism was flying high, man. And it is addictive. It is a drug. You know, and you start drinking a little bit, maybe too much of the cool aid rather than sipping it. There was a couple

little, like, just down it. And we were beating who we needed to be, but we always knew that there was

a big boy down the corner. We always knew reality was coming knocking and how would we handle that situation. And that situation, unfortunately, it was Belgium. Who's the favorite? France? I mean, they have to be. I don't know how they couldn't, you know, they've taken every punch. They play with just this, this, this swagger and this confidence and this, this almost like smile, right? But it's not a smile. Like, hey, we're having a good day. It's a smile of like, yeah,

good luck, right? Hey, Paraguay, you guys are going to try to, you know, knife us in the back of the, of the halftime tunnel. Yeah, it didn't work. Did it? You know, we're, we're good. We're good.

“We can handle any situation. We're dropped in. I think you'd be a fool to say that France isn't”

the favorite, but you'd also be a fool to say, um, hey, Spain. Hey, whatever is happening, which Leonardo Messi in Argentina is remarkable. I can't believe that they're recreating the summer that they gave us four years ago. You know, the way they've won their last two games as the number one team in the world and the defending world cup champion. And they've got to go, who just won't let them lose is insane to watch. It's just, it's, it's magical, magical drama that Messi keeps providing us.

Can you explain to me? Because they go into that Belgium game. I was so fired up to watch their legends. And then I'm like, the brunya is not even playing. Yeah. So the cock on the bench. The cock who comes in what he came in the late and had the goal, right? But it guys are beast. Yeah. I was with that Belgium coin. We're, it looked like maybe they were going to sub them in if they felt like the game was so lopsided even at the one one school. Yeah. I don't know if

that was all factory into it, but were they looking ahead? Is that kind of changed the way you look at them being able to match up with Spain knowing that those guys got a brunya? Yeah, it does a

came out, and you know, we get it kind of like on a list of paper. And it's usually like handed to us during a commercial or maybe like there's a town where an oldy feature that's trying to make you cry. And I'm like, we're looking at this thing. And I'm like, I go down the subs. I'm like,

boom, and I literally, the first things I circled were those three guys. And we kind of knew

Lukaku would be on the bench. But I'm like, wow. Wow. How beautifully arrogant of Belgium to be able to do this. And to have the confidence and to have the depth. So I read that. And I was like, number one, US has to hit Belgium hard and fast because the cavalry is on the bench that can come in and save the day. And number two, if we don't hit them hard and fast, we're in big trouble, because the cavalry is on the bench and they can come out and just totally change things. So it showed

to me, it verified to me, you know, that we just don't have enough talent. We don't have that depth. There wasn't like you look at every position. You're like, okay, here's your backup. Here's your

backup. Here's your backup. Oh, we're great. Bringing this guy off the bench. He's going to elevate things.

When we needed offense off the bench. And we've been saying this all-term at long. Like, I don't know where we go. You know what we do. And it's hard to find those strikers and Florian Baligan has been an absolute dream. You know, we actually have a striker that can put fear in the opposition, but beyond him, it was just a fall off a cliff. And that's where US soccer has to get better. We got to have more players that play like that. We have to be deeper.

And we can't, it's kind of collapse in these moments where we have rare opportunities to make a

“real impact. What do you make at England's run so far?”

Pretty impressive. You know, I'll be honest, I thought they were slightly overrated coming into this tournament. I thought the summer would get to those boys. You know, I thought the heat and the humidity and the smog and the altitude of Mexico City would bang them up. You know, they're going to Miami right now. I mean, listen, England versus Norway in Miami, you know, like the run on Sunblock in South Bay right now must be insane. You know, how those, how those

poor people can survive that, their fans and their players, they have impressed me for sure.

You know, I think I always felt that they were at a minimum of quarter final team and they're there.

I definitely feel a little bit more like, wow, they got a chance, a chance to get to that final, but, but, you know, again, I look at what Spain and France and Argentina are doing to me. They're the big three and England is probably love in the fact that for some reason folks still aren't talking about them enough, you know, we kind of have a fetish with talking about English soccer and, you know, it comes from, you know, so many viewers in the United States watching the Premier League

and the relationship with those players and they've seen them so long and I know Harry Kane plays in Germany right now. But he's, you know, he spent so much time in England with Tottenham that, you know,

“so many viewers are accustomed to him. So people I think just kind of gravitate towards that English”

national team and the fact that the media for years back home in England has just been so brutal on these guys and just wears them down and grinds them and beats them up and the players feel the weight of that when they put on that jersey, I remember hearing stories from some other players like, you know, English, there were some guys on the English national team who just, they didn't want that call in because they didn't want to deal with that fan base and they

didn't want to deal with that media where they knew like, they had a, they had an international window coming up and, you know, like, 80th minute of their Premier League game a couple of days before they'd be like, oh, yeah, right, felt something. I don't know, I felt something kind of here because they didn't want to, they didn't want to do this. They didn't want to have to put up with that. It was, if they felt like my perception was it, it sounded like it was a no-in situation. I do feel like

the last couple of years, the media and the fans still expect great things from England but they've toned it down a little bit to the point now where they're happy they're there and there's not

“these expectations suffocating them to bring it home and I think they're playing freer and looser”

and they're kind of an underdog which is crazy to say and if you're England, you're loving that role. You are absolutely loving that role. Whereas Pickford, as far as goalkeepers, like rank, like what are we talking about? Yeah, I can't help. He's not high. That was one of the concerns about this team coming in but, you know, to me, he had a great game last time out. He's all under the heart. I can't tell if it's like good or bad. Totally fair, totally fair. I think there's

do you see a team ride a hot goal tender deep into the Stanley Cup or to the point where they're raising the trophy and you're like, I don't know where that dude has been for the last six months but he's standing on his head and I had no idea he could split like that in his glove saves and whatever he was smothering everything. Keepers are weird dudes and it doesn't matter what sport

“they are. You're a different cat. If you want to stick yourself in goal and have people fire things”

at you, right? Like you're just, there's something off. Like I've been working with Peter SchMichael all summer long. I love the dude. There's just a little something that's off. And he knows it too and we know it and we feel it beat around him. But when you get one of those guys that's on a roll, you know, great things can happen and they feel it. Like there's pick for a hundred percent feels it right now, right? Like he's in his pick for zone or whatever it is and the guys in

front of him on the back line feel this well and they're like, oh you know what? I'm a little bit more comfortable with him behind me where I can maybe make a dangerous pass or an extra run forward

because I feel really good with what I got back there. I never felt that just to spin it back

to the US team about Matt Freeze. It's not a knock on the guy. I just didn't have that confidence in our goalkeeping situation that I have had in the past and we have grown to expect that as fans of the USman's national team and the fact that we were just kind of like, I don't know who's going to start for us leading into the tournament and even when we named that starter, I'm not feeling totally confident and then we see how it ends up for him with that mistake and the Belgian

game. I felt like that was something that was going to bite us eventually because at some point you need your keeper to make saves that are going to keep you in a game and in a contest and in a tournament and right now England kind of has that in pick for it. I'm glad that you at least

“understand vaguely what I'm trying to reference there because I was like, is he, did he have to do that?”

And I was like, maybe that's just the energy that he plays with and then we'll go, wait a minute.

And again, that guy was just always like a little hesitant to go, I probably don't have a pick

for me. Can you start trusting your eyes? That's the big takeaway of today. Trust yourself. You got the eyes for this man. You know what's happening? You see it too. Well, you know, heart will five, six years old. Not the same as a Simsbury captain. See, but let's just kind of dig into the path here then. If you're telling me it's France and it's their depth and it's like what they can do. And you know, it's, it was a really interesting game

against Paraguay because I ended up going like, all right, I realize you're, you're up on the penalty. And this sport is kind of funny in the way that it can be so clear how much better than the other team is and it's still zero zero or it's one one. And that at Paraguay, by the way, the way they played, did that frustration? I thought it was disgusting to tell you. Yeah, I hated it. And I get mean that to me was not being competitive. That was being pissy losers.

So take that paradise. Right. You're three or three. Yeah. It annoyed the hell out of me too. And it was, it was disgraceful. It was poor sportsmanship. It was players jumping in, literally trying to get themselves thrown out, but to get a French player thrown out at the same time.

“Right. That was, yeah. That's what I kept seeing. Like, hey, we're going to do a like for like,”

I'm going to take me out. It was not like you. And we're both going to go sit on bench and my team is going to be better because you're like, they were just trying to bait these French players constantly. And again, that goes to my point. Like, that was that French little smile. Like, no, not today, my friend, not today monami. You can do your little thing. I'm not going to buy for. I'm going to be pissed off. And I'm going to do some things that will tell you how I really

feel, but I am not going to retaliate. And games like that, teams like that, performances like that, agitate me as a viewer. But I think they agitate me as an American soccer fan because I want to see this sport grow. And, and there was such a great opportunity. And it has grown this summer. There's no doubt about it. But I just got done doing my podcast with Urban Meyer, Mark Ingram, and Mark has been a soccer fan for decades. And Urban has not been a soccer fan for decades, right? He doesn't

get it. What are we doing in this? And that, but he came around this summer. And he was watching games and watching the US and really cared and had questions and dynamics. And why did they do this? And I love when I could see a play build up. And, you know, the set pieces when there was really, you know, definition and what they were trying to do. But the flopping rock, you know, the rolling around, the agitating. Like, I don't get it. I can't get by it. And for me, that has

always been, this obstacle, like this, this ugly wall that a big sector of American soccer viewers

out in that Paraguay game, frustrated the hell out of me. Because I think anybody watching that hated what they were seeing unless you were from Paraguay. And my guess is there's a pretty decent population in the Paraguay Institute or like, man, do we have to go this way, right? Do we have to do this

route? So it's moments like that where I just love France. Because I always feel like they're

ahead of the game. They're ahead of the curve. We know what you're doing, Paraguay. We're good with it. Hey, we're in third gear right now. And we're cruising. But if we need to get to fourth or fifth, cool, we can do it. And they can snap it as well. Okay. So France, I have one question. And I don't know I'm going to start with a theory and then it'll be a question. Because it relates to, you know, Fox, it relates to all the coverage. And the studio show that's not your studio show is getting all sorts

of commentary with the area on reading, uh, Hebrew Hebrew bitch. And obviously, Alexie Lallis, we've worked with a really long time. And I wonder if when you bring in guys that are like as close to gods as you can be as a moral man, if that actually makes for a less compromise or less willing television analyst. And I don't know what is going on on that show. But I see these moments and I've watched a lot of it. So I'm not just watching the clips where I'm like, do they, do they not get

“like what the, the job is? And there are times of some really great conversation. I think Hebrew”

Hebrew bitch once he loosened up a little bit, kind of got there because I know he has his stick. I know Lallis isn't for everybody, but I think that's a lot of free determined ideas on, on where he's at, and maybe it filters in and not actually listening what he's talking about with the soccer stuff. But it seems like he and T.R.E on read, we're going at it quite a bit on the red card thing. And, you know, look at the studio show. We're here to discuss things. If we disagree, you know,

whatever. So I'm not, I don't want to put you in a spot where you're going to be critical of your

teammates. But I get some trying to understand, is this perhaps a little different because it be like asking Michael Jordan once every four years to jump on an NBA finals discussion show. And it just be like, hey, a lot of this stuff, I might feel like has beneath me and I don't even have the reps to do it right. I don't know if it's beneath him because it's clear that those guys

“have a passion for the sport. I think the reps is a big thing. The language barrier is a big thing”

as well. You know, I mean, as well, spoken as those two gentlemen are, English is not their first language, right? And I still root to the state that I didn't take Spanish in high school. It seems very high school. I signed up for French. And that served me great at World Cup 98. But since then, it's been the drain on me. And, and I talked to guys, like, land a dominant has done things in Spanish. And he says, you know, obviously how hard it is.

Right? Like, that seems like a no-brainer. But the breadth of the vocabulary that you have as a second or third language just can't be the same as the first. So you're trying to get some points out. And you know the word in your native language, but you don't know what it is in English, maybe, for that moment. So I think some of that can get lost where these players are just like, I know what I need to say that we'll resonate and cut through everything. But this is the best

I can come up with right now. Also, American television is so different than international television, particularly on the soccer scene. And there is a real kind of a class going on in real time, where a lot of players who do work in England or Germany or Italy or wherever has come to us. And they're like, wait, what's happening? You know, and I'm like, no, hold on. We got our American Express starting lineups. Hey, we got to get this sponsorship in here. You know, we got to get to

commercial. Hey, we've got to hit these like it's just a different animal where they're used to just like

red lights on and go have that for nine minutes. You know, and we never have that. That is that is an

absolute luxury. So for them, they're learning in real time. Like, oh, I need to take my thought that is this and get it down to here and elects these a master at it. And he understands also what what cuts through what reverberates, what will catch your ear and your eye. And you know, some of it is a performance art, but 100% of Lexi believes what he's what he's talking about. And he cares about this sport immensely. So you talked about that one that one moment the other day

“about the red card in the situation. I think something that two of us do is really tired. And,”

you know, they had a long day and a quick flight back and up early. And, you know, that plays on things.

learning curve for everybody on that set. And again, I'm not there. So I can't speak of it, but just from what I see and listen from a distance. But I also know there's great respect

“among all of them. And they understand everybody's job. And by the way, I think it's great that”

you're talking about it. Right? Because if you're not talking about it, then it's a total failure. I'm a wrestling guy. Right? I love pro wrestling. You know, it's a lot of pro wrestling. I mean, it's like that long. You know, to Harvard City Center. I'm sure you were there as a kid. Yeah, I was at the ball a ton of times watching a hillbilly gym or a blackjack,

Morgan, and Bob Baclin, Connecticut, Great, Bob Baclin. But the wrestling parallel is, if you come out and nobody is booing or nobody is cheering you, you're screwed. Right? Like you haven't done your job. But if you're talking about our studio shows whether you hate it or you love it, you're talking about it. And that's a win. And that's a win. And you know, people talk about, you know, the NBA show. That's now on ESPN. They talk about those guys all the time. So they, they resonate.

They cut through things. They either make you happy or they make you mad or they make you smile,

“they make you question, but they're doing something right. So I think in the end, our World”

Cup studio is absolutely doing something right. I've loved the just overall coverage.

What have you loved about it? Because I'm always interested about other people's take.

You know, we in the industry can can hate watch sometimes and be angry that we don't have that right. And we have to sit at home and watch this event, you know, and we could do it better and blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, Fox has a way of doing things. So I'm curious, what is it that you've you've liked about the broadcast? Because I hear I hear both sides. I love it. And I get really frustrated by it. You know, it's in teams are incredible. The depth that you have for on-game calls are just terrific.

So which is the most important part of the game? Right. Right. Um, I used to think, oh, look, you worked at ESPN. I was there a really long time. There's plenty of things that we did that I didn't like. We did a million things. Of course, like any reasonable person, like, hey, I wish we did a better job with this or I didn't really love this. I thought ESPN was the best at making you feel like that Saturday night in a college football stadium

was the biggest thing going on in the world at that moment. So when you came into that shot, it's actually why I think they brought back Brent Musperger for a while. Because Musperger,

even though he wasn't in his prime, and I'm not being critical of him, and he did minute,

because he even talked about like stuff that he would do. His voice, that shot over the stadium, Saturday night, somewhere where everything was on a line in college football, his voice bringing you in that felt like, I don't, I can't be. It's not that I don't want it. I can't be anywhere else right now. And I thought that your build up and, you know, sometimes you can overdo it. It's like, hey, we got three guys here. We got five guys here. We got six guys there. I think it works seamlessly,

and it felt like an international event that, I mean, Grant, I get that it's the world cup of an early year. So maybe there's this default buy-in, but you want the television production to match that. Like, I'm already in. I'm already expecting something, and I need you to match that

moment, and I think Fox did an awesome job with that kind of stuff. That's, that's an amazing

compliment. I'm sure everybody in our network will, will take that. It's, it's a really cool parallel that you bring about that Saturday night, prime time game, you know, and again, there was less college football out there, back then less competition right on, on, on, on, for the eyeballs. But you're right, you know, like, I can see that I can go to Tallahassee, and I'm just seeing thousands and thousands of people doing this, and nothing has started. That's soccer, right? Like,

what you, what you're seeing every Saturday in Big 10 or SEC or Big 12 stadiums is, is International Soccer. World Cup is this tribe. It's this, this generation of love. It's this care, it's this passion. It's the same thing. And, and I've been saying that for years, like, these are kissing cousins, man, college football, and Bigtime International Soccer, or, you know, major showdowns, you know, Rayal Madrid versus Barcelona. Yes, please give it to me. Like, this really,

really matters in that, in that community, in that country, in that state, whatever it may be. So, I think this was the first time, and it, and because it was on home soil, where we really had the opportunity to, to sell those crowds in that energy, in that atmosphere. And that's one of the reasons, you know, we've been on the road so much as, is to tap into that, you know, again, for a fox thing, that big noon kickoff type energy. You know, I mean, this is, this is the stuff

that I get to see on Saturdays, and I love and it puts a smile on my face, and it makes me happy, and it lifts you up, and it's two hours that just go by like that, because of everything that's

“going on behind you, and, and you know it, because you're sitting there, but you need to make sure”

it translates to your audience, to your viewers, and they see it, and they hear it, and the US fans,

kept saying like, don't talk, there's, there's nothing you can say that is better than what that crowd is showing and exhibiting in the moment. And that element, I think we've been able to bring to our world cup coverage that maybe hasn't been there to that level over the past couple of decades. I can't say anymore, I just thought it was great, and I know some people listening probably, like, well, why wouldn't there have been a big deal? It's the world cup, like, dummy internet.

Because it's been a big deal. It's been a big deal. I've seen, I've seen broadcast partners mess it up. You know, I've seen them go like, all right, we're just going to take all this for granted, and, you know, I all admit, Rob, I even had moments, I know it sounds stupid. I forgot that it was here. I forgot that it was in the United States. Like, when I was inside a sofa, I was like, if you told me I was on London or somewhere else, I would believe you, because this is what it feels like. It felt like the

first time that on American soil, it didn't feel American, and I mean, that kind of as a complement.

“That it wasn't, it wasn't like, hey, this is all these American settings. Maybe that's why”

FIFA was so adamant about all the signage and all the other stuff, because it felt like, hey, where do you think that game is? I'm like, you know, if you, I didn't know, I wouldn't know. And I think that helped it feel like a bigger deal. Yeah, that's a good point. And listen, the American fans have been a big part of that, right? This is not just the traveling armies of these nations, having said that, like, when Argentina plays, I've been to, I can't remember how many

messy games, three or four Argentina games. And when you walk into, where have I been with them? Dallas, Kansas City, Miami, you're like, I might be in Buenos Aires. I don't know. Am I? Is this how it feels? Because it's, you know, 90, 95% of those Argentinian fans. And they are chanting and singing and standing and wearing that light blue and white, you know, those iconic colors, again, going to college football, right? Like, oh, there's the maze and

blue. We know, we know who we're watching. Scarlett, we know who we're watching. There's the light blue

“and white, right? We know who we're watching, right? And I think that's, that's part of it as well.”

But the atmosphere's have been amazing. And I think, I'm trying to think if there's anything that hasn't surpassed the expectations for this world cup, and I don't think there is. You know, the coverage has been there, and that's not just television. That's everywhere.

You know, people wanting to talk about it in places that never discuss soccer.

The FOMO factor is off the charts. Nobody does FOMO, like Americans, by the way. And, you know, my friends, my people, folks in the neighborhood, people have run across like, they just want to get to a game. How can I do it? How do I get there? Oh, what time is game? I got to be there to at least watch it at this viewing party or I got to do this. And it's now part of their, you know, their daily calendar, you know, like pick up laundry, go to the gym.

Make sure you watch four to five hours with World Cup soccer. Like yesterday, I was lost. I kept like, where's the game? And I went to FS2 and I'm like, there's a rear. And I'm good. I'm going to just kind of sit and watch a game that I already saw. And I know what happened, but I'm going to give it another take. It's been great. I can't wait to see how this finishes out.

“And it's always, let's have you over the house next time we do this, all right?”

And it won't be for years. I can't wait. All right, that is Rob Stone, which made me just my friendship alone made me stop saying Sims boring. Whatever his hometown was referenced. Thanks, Rob. Any time you want details? Bye. I drive a Ferrari, 355 KBLA. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine. I'm best of all kids. I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's

required. We have a little extra time today. So before we get to the life of advice, I'm headed back to LA tonight and finishing up a nice little fly fishing run through Montana. So back in big sky, which I have, it's been a few years, but I usually come to Montana every summer. But I haven't been back in this part. Starting Boseman work my way down on the Madison day one,

Yellowstone River day two. And I feel like I finally, finally turned to Cork as a, as I guess I would

say is someone live this year. It's, yeah, I've been doing it for a while. And when you do it and frequently, like imagine if you've golfed three times a year and then you were annoyed, you weren't better. That's probably where I've been at. And then I think the last two days, I've, I've turned to Cork. I feel good. Flick the switch. Yeah, yeah, some stuff. That's really the tripod Instagram situation, right? You got a fishing buddy or is that a guide? Oh, felt cute. Might

delete. felt cute. Might delete. Felt lame, putting that in the caption. So lame. I even check

do it. It's the coolest caption we've ever heard of. Oh, I forgot. I supposed to pay attention to your captions on. I just say, you like it. Let it ride, man. Don't worry about whether people say, but I don't know that I've worried about that at that time. But that's definitely one where it's like, I don't know if anybody's going to get this subute Montana. Oh, that's actually where you're up. Okay. Yeah, any people get that. Is it a cool though? Like, doesn't it feel good? When you do,

it's, I don't know, a fishing's like a manly task, but it's like a, all right, it's like, it's like a, um, one with wilderness or like, if you build a shed or you fix something in your house, there's just kind of no feeling like that as a dude. You're like, man, I did something today. Hell yeah. I don't know if I'd put it at the same level of like building a deck. Um, but there's a primal

“itch you scratch there, I think. Right. Yeah. Look, it's not that hard. It's not like I went on some”

hike or, you know, you're battling the elements or anything like that, even though it does kind of sporadically brain. But flight fishing is hard though. Like if you don't, it is. Yeah, here's a

staff for you. I've never caught a fish. And I've been, I've been, I had to pull in my hands a few

times. Never caught him with a hook. No, no, my mom, when I was like, kid, we'd go by the train track. I caught a fish. No, dude. When I was a kid, we'd go by the train tracks and she had some like rough friends and they let me like poke the eyes out of the fish they caught. But like, I never, I was just watching these guys sitting by the train tracks, never catching a fish. I had like a tackle box and everything. Never called live near train tracks. Yeah. Metro North runs right through

because hell yeah, it does. What's up? Wait. What were we using like worms? What were we using for bait? Dude, we went like, we went to like Kmart and got like a cool fucking set of shit, like,

you know, like, we're gonna get this one this summer, never go on. And then I just stopped to stop

trying because it's a tough day when dude's catch fish and you don't, it's a tough day. Also, everybody else did. You just didn't. Well, these were like grown men with like tattoos and, you know, beards and shit. They were like doing it. And I had my little like, you know, smaller persons

“rod and I just couldn't get anything. What's the last time you had a, do you actually went fishing?”

Went fishing. I don't know. Maybe it was like 14 or something 15 there. Man. That's not for me. It's not for me. It's not meant for me. It's not meant for me. I understand why people like it. Yeah. That's kind of meant for you. Hardening to me, keep yours. I do it. Harder going. Yeah. The boys, sounds like a golf cart to me. I don't know exactly what my golf day is like, now you're way more of a fishing guy than golf guy. Just on the surface.

I'm proud of you. You're in the golf. Well, hey, listen, I'm back in the northeast. There's a lot of, a lot of places where fish reside that you're allowed to fish in. So, uh, maybe I'll, maybe I'll bring it back. I don't know. Maybe we'll do a fishing video, you know, just do a video. That could be a fun Netflix, you know, Kyle. Right. If I don't catch a fish, we have to

scrap the video. I don't know. I might be the video though. We'll never catch the fish.

Someone would say that's better. Look at Jim and I am situation. You know, he's in three. He's going to half or what. All right. So, I had two guides. First guide. His name was Carson. Check them out. Gallatin River guides. Do you want to? I don't know. There's a second company called River Rides. But Gallatin River guides, Carson. So, we're talking and talking about books, talking about how cattle, you know, cattle drives kind of settled these states and why there's a lot of things that

identify with Texas and I started talking about this book that I've read about like settling the West and it went through all the kit Carson stuff and he's like, I was named after Kit Carson. I was like, dude, that's badass. Right. So shout out to him. He was great. Doing a lot of waiting that day, a lot of nymphing caught a couple nicer rainbows held around. One white fish, which is sort of gross, even though white fish is a great town. And then the second

day out on the float, working everything, drives, drive, nymph down low, tight casts. Hold the heel starts to rain, catch a 16 inch rainbow, cut. Another brown,

“another white fish. I think it cut. So anyway, talking to him, we started talking about books.”

He asked me if I'd read loads of stuff. And I was like, I just read it last year. His name is Gus. And he's like, I'm named after Gus in the book. Back to back guides. Are you kidding me? Crazy. What happens when you're out there, though? Crazy. What they're doing up here, right? Yeah. Good job by you. Being like, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Because that's a bummer.

don't know. It's like, that's a bummer. Your name is Dr. Kyle Petty. It's where to go.

We just kind of found this out. Kind of a middle and raised car driver. I'm not kidding. My mom's a huge NASCAR fan named after Kyle Petty. She was like, back then, there weren't that many cows. And then, like, there was like six of my class. I don't see a name after Kyle Petty. But he had a great run. Did you look up what his record was? Like, let's look up his standings a couple of years prior to he, like, wasn't awesome. But I guess, yeah, let's see.

His dad was the king. But I don't know.

“So was she a Richard Petty fan? And then she wasn't earlier for sure. But I think maybe that”

I don't, I'm glad I'm not Dale. What was that like at the house? Dude, she didn't go to work for like four days. In the dark tough tough. Your mom and concussion permacol? No. You know what's funny about that? It's not fun. It's like nothing. And that was it. Your mom didn't go to work for four days after Dale and her heart crash. Maybe it was three minutes.

She certainly, I know. I know I was going to school. I think I maybe it wasn't the summer. I don't know. You and I met my dad. Mom's door is closed. Just can't go down the hallway. That was a tough tough weekend our house. In the hindsight, though, that was insane. I don't feel like I understood how insane that was for someone to just die in a sporting event like that. Like, we talked about this in the NFL. I was like, that was, I remember watching.

I don't even watch NASCAR. And it just happened. It's like, oh, yeah, you got it. And it's like, what?

“And younger you just know it's in that. I remember where I was, little thing. But I mean,”

obviously Kyle's never going to forget his best points finish was fifth. And that was in 1992

and '93. So I was born at the end of '93. So two good runs there. Yeah, but not very notable. I gotta say, she bought me his book like two years ago. I was like, I met, it's called Swerver Die, didn't read it, but she was like, thought, but maybe you'd like this. It's like, I got to be honest. I mixed up him and his dad. I didn't, I thought, Richard Petty? Oh, dude. Well, I don't think. No, I know. I thought that's, I don't know. I knew Petty.

Yeah, I was like, okay, I know the Petty guy. I was like, oh, yeah, Richard's dad. That's the guy who I was thinking of. I don't even know Kyle. Sorry. A lot of respect. Famously, the only driver in Cup Series history to win his 600th career start. That's a bit. You got a really dig to find a stat like that, but you won't sing that. Oh, you guys still got it. It's good. Tell your mom, I feel bad about Dale, because I don't want to make it. I don't think I'm going

to bring it up on a slave. We're going to go. Yeah. So now it's good spot. I don't really know what to do about Montana anymore now after these maps are. I don't really know what to do about Montana anymore. Now, after these maps are. I just don't know how to do not apologize for anything you just did. I just don't know how to. I thought I had some good stories now. I just don't like this. I'm pointless. You learn to leave by the train tracks of named after Kyle Petty and you look at that

me different now. I don't like this. I'm not looking at you different. I'm just adding it to the dossier put it in the bank. Yeah. So love and dig sky village, though. Man, what a little farmer's market going on. Life's a little community. I've been here before, though, but usually I'm in some different parts. But just south of Yellowstone Club probably won't make it up there at any point. So there you go. All right. Let's get to a heater of an email. That I did look up to see if it was fake.

There's a chance he's using some other idea that has happened in this world to write the email. But we're just going to run, run through it. In the same clown possey concert or lose my friends, that obviously Kyle's attention when we were filtering these guys love to show. Needs your help. Name is Jack. He offers up his name too, which I don't know. 32 years old, 6199, my wife and I live in Charleston, South Carolina, both originally from North Carolina. We have

for one and a half year old boy and expecting a girl in October. We are a fairly social couple, but I definitely suffer from the FOMO complex more than she does. We've been in Charleston for 10 years. And ever since we moved here, I've been in a fantasy football league with a great group of guys who are mostly from Charleston. Unfortunately with life happening, I see them less and less. The stay active in the group text is still hanging out with them in occasion, although I consider

them really good friends. I'm definitely heading toward that fringe friend zone. Uh-oh. There's a non-native. Maybe I don't know. What is really kept me tied to the group is this fantasy football league. Every year we do a live draft. Usually golf or a beach weekend and I've

never missed one. This weekend in itself, plus the year-long banter is important for the connections

“and good for the soul. I think you're right on. These are important things to keep working on.”

The rub, the punishment for last place in this league is taken very seriously, which I actually appreciate. Every year, it's something different and the stakes seem to scale annually. We've evolved from your standard waffle house challenge to making someone attend a groundhog day and

go to a functionality field at Jesus. In the formal attire was another part of that sentence to Pucks and Tani. To date, every loser is completed the punishment. Breaking news is pasties and

I finished last for the first time. My punishment, which was loosely decided sometime after midnight

at last year's draft, the middle beach, midnight cleaning with the guys. Usually is to attend an insane clown posse concert. That is, that is an awful. I mean, unless they're going to play the early stuff, but full transparency, I'm a little nervous, but I'm also completely willing to do it. It would be a real bummer to leave my family behind and get stabbed, but I understand the point of league punishments, and I don't want to be the first guy who fails. Unfortunately, I've stalled.

I haven't been able to lock down a show date. I travel a lot for work. We already have a family vacation plan. It's becoming increasingly difficult to find a weekend that works. My concern is that if I don't complete the punishment, I'll be relegated from the league or replaced by another friend, these threats have already been made. At that point, I will lose the camaraderie, and I worry that those friendships will naturally fade. The elephant, my wife is clearly not thrilled about any of

this. Every time I see people get brought up, it turns into an argument. By the way, she should never

be thrilled about this. That's a good sign, my wife. To her credit, she acknowledges my concern about losing touch with these guys, but she also thinks her side of the argument carries a lot more

“weight. Honestly, she's probably right. Ultimately, if I found the right date, I think I could take”

it on the chin and convince her to let me go. The problem is, I see peas are meaning scheduled. They only have two July shows, but wait, they have two July shows that I can't make. I'm looking at her right now. And then they don't pick back up until September. The only realistic option is flying to Columbus, Ohio over Labor Day weekend for a Friday night show about a month before our second child is due. Dude, I'm looking at Sturgis, South Dakota, August 14 right now.

Sturgis? That's, yeah, I am. I think you just want to hit the country fair on this one. I don't know if you want Sturgis and ICP. Max Scott. Missouri. They're good. They're in you two August. They'll probably be good there. Yeah. Gathering of jugglers. Yeah. I'm kind of defeated at this point. Do I accept the doghouse sacrifice Labor Day weekend? Get trampled in a mosh and find a way to make the trip happen. Do I ask the lead for an extension of

“a full season of risk looking soft or do I bail and accept potentially getting kicked out of the league?”

And he thoughts here. If you're some sort of escrow, you can do like put something up. Be like, I will do this. I just please don't. Like, I do have a family. Like, I understand that, you know, 10 years ago when we went, well, we had nothing to lose. It was, you know, totally understandable that there's a hard day down this stuff. You know, you could find a waffle house anywhere. But now I got a ICP is not everywhere. Although later in the year, it looks like there's a

kind of art though. They do pick up later in the year. Rockfest, 2026 in July. It's like right around the corner. He said he couldn't do that, right? I think maybe there's some sort of plea. You can be like, is there's something I could give you to prove like, you know, can you

pawn this thing off for a second and then just, you know, get it done? Because I understand the

feeling like respective rules. It should be done before the season starts. But, you know, they just really don't pick up towards october. It seems like September october is when they're really putting a date of heart of metal. Do they really? Yep. Come hang. You probably bring the whole family. You know, it's what if she ends up like it. Harford's huge on Instagram, so yeah. Yeah, you do like the whole harford thing. Make a week of it. Airbnb. Hold deal. But

I don't know if you want to fill out like reason for a town. ICP shows. Is, does he have to go full

“clown make up to? Did he say that? So you have to like, I'm wondering, because what does it mean?”

Like, I still think it would be enough for you to actually buy a ticket, show up, take a picture of yourself. You went to it. And that should be enough. I don't think it should be on. Yeah. Yeah. Look, I hope this on court doesn't go too long. You know, like, I don't, I don't know, that's a pretty massive step to fly to go to insane compound positive concert. Have it be documented. You did it. I don't, I mean, again, I don't, I can't speculate that

no, no, you have to be the whole time. You have to dump Fago on your face. You have to get in the mosh pit. You have to paint up everything. You're going to make out with a 1.5. To see have kids. I did he say once. Yeah. And then there's one on the way. So maybe you can. That's the issue. I mean, you have to get it. Go ahead. Go ahead. All right, fine. You have to get obviously your wife's approval on this, but you could, you could, you could try to make a little

family trip. I see you want to take your kids to see the arch September 5th school doesn't start yet.

and then you get them apart. Yeah. Then you fly up, get there in the afternoon, walk into the show by the ticket, get back to your hotel first flight back to South Carolina. You're not going to miss all of Labor Day weekend for this. So that's being a little dramatic. But if I see this right, I'm googling ICP 2026 tour dates, which is it was like you've already looked this up. If they really didn't get started until one show and surges, which is August. So they have been dormant. They haven't

toured since the end of football season to one show, it surges full throttle saloon August 14th for those interested. And then they don't play another show until September 4th. And then it's only shows from September 4th to closing out in Detroit, October 31st, which is what they normally do. Each way. If you're talking about two month window that's in the next football season, I think they should give you a little bit of grace here of like, I promise I'll do it.

You've known them 10 years. If they believe you as a guy that'll do it as opposed to the other guys who's going to keep putting it off and putting it off, I don't think you'll get kicked out of the league. Go up to them and be reasonable and be like, look, they played zero shows until August 14th. I can't go to surges. I can't give a flavor day. I will do one of these shorter distance, late September, early October, hit it and quit it. And if it means I have to do face paint to get the grace,

“then maybe you have to offer that up to some negotiating play here. Because I don't want”

you kicked out of the league. Because again, it matters to have your buddies. Yeah, but I even put another a new end point. It's like, how about the trade deadline? And I feel trade deadline. November 10th got to be done. I think if you just buy the ticket, they're going to get off your ass. You can do amazing things with AI too. Maybe you can buy

your ass. I mean, never that. If you just buy the ticket, you hey guys, this is a date.

No one. It's on the books. Like, then you're fine. No one's, I don't think anybody's going to be like, oh man, it's not within the past couple of years. I think you're fine. But you got to I think you got to purchase the ticket and show proof. You got to show the receipt. Yeah, maybe act a little ignorant. It's like, oh dude, I bought the ticket before the season started. You know, maybe you can do that. When you're like, oh, I didn't know. And maybe you just totally go the ignorant

route. I have a hard time just having things guys going to be a hard time if you have a ticket to something in the future. They're going to be alive. Tweet it. Be like chicken hunting to open what is the jugged a low on core boogie woogie wool? Hmm. You know, I feel we're talking

about. Yeah. I'm afraid some's going to happen with us. Yeah, I don't. I've never seen a jug

low in the wild. So I've wanted to go to the gathering when I was younger with a buddy just to walk around and say we did it. But I think they can tell immediately. You're not there for the right reasons. And then it's now. Yeah. They know. They totally know. Okay. The rig of the jug was man. It's funny. All right. I've watched. I've watched multiple like 30 minute things on it. I can't forget about the time. Yeah. All the way to the road for a while, right? Long time. I'm reading here.

“They were dropped by Disney and that's how Boogie woogie woogie woogie. That was what inspired that song.”

1989. Wow. Gotta give it to a man. Damn. Crazy. I wonder how many like one hit wonders would go. Would your rather be a one hit wonder or have the run to the jug below the pad? Really. Let me technically say a clown posse. But yeah, if you said about longevity. All right. How to delay the baby talk? Different email. What's up, fellas? 26, 5, 11, 200. Used to put up 275 of the Bench College before a torn labor.

I'm took me out of the game for a while. Play her comp as a mix between TJ McConnell and Ty loss and scrappy point guard who can shoot a little. But it's always looking for the right play. It's Ty loss in Jack now. I think I'm like, maybe you might. Maybe you might. Yeah. He's have Ty might be in high loss and dude. I was thinking about the the move that bus guy. Nevermind. That's why I was laughing. You guys not know about the might be thing. He's huge. Oh, yeah. I've seen it. Yeah. No. Come on.

Can you talk to him? Ty doesn't think I'm monitoring that stuff for years. All right. Here's some context of my situation. My girlfriend and I've been together for almost four years.

“Living together about three and a half. So that's what. 22. We've been best friends since seventh grade.”

Man, how about two people? Two lovers knowing each other's origin story. Midwest. I'm just Midwest. What's going on here? I'm special about that. I don't know. Doesn't say, but it's probably not hard for it. I can tell you that. Call. Too many options are for too many options too. Like, I get it. I don't want to get married. What do you think I'm still single? I just took it that hard for me. Too much time and I'm afraid you can't get that stink off you.

We always knew there were feelings there, but the timing never worked until after college. I think that's incredible.

She's still my best friend. I love her very much. We're closing on our first house together next week.

I'm planning on proposing when we go on vacation at August. Lots of adult life changes going on. Naturally it's brought up the child discussion, especially given the fact that her two cousins who she's very close with both have two year olds and are pregnant currently. She's serious. They mentioned to me multiple times that she would like to get pregnant within the next year. Half joking, but in that woman way of also being dead serious. It's the same time. Not joking. Yeah, explicit talk about timelines for babies, not joking.

Yeah, financially both do very well. She makes roughly six figures. I make slightly less. However, she's a much more stable place than I am as I recently started my career back in January. I'm very hesitant on the baby thing while I do envision us having a family together. I feel that we were still young and I would rather enjoy a couple more years of the denklife

before making this life changing decision. She counters with quote, "No one is ever ready."

She doesn't make a good point there. My guy is true. Yeah. And quote, "Let's just do it. It will be fun." And quote, "Let me be clear." She will be fantastic mom and partner. She's the oldest of four in age range where her youngest brother's 14. So she should be taken care of and been around babies their whole life. I have not and while I do enjoy spending time with her baby cousins, I'm finding out in small sample sizes that is the ton of time energy and money, et cetera. Yeah, man, you research checks out.

It does change some things. All right. So that brings us to my question. Do I tough it out into the proposal next month? Leaning on a wedding taking up the majority of her focus and naturally delaying the baby talk or is there a way to have that conversation without

“running the risk of hurting her feelings, creating doubt? Or should I have a kid next year?”

Sir Rudy figured he would jump in as a father. Love the show, SVP days. How about this? This guy's 26 SVP days. We stopped doing the show 11 years ago. We started 17 years ago, which is wild. This guy was locked into us from maybe not so much nine, but closer to 15 years old. Anyway, sir, you want to take the lead? I think he's got to be honest with her. She is correct. I don't think I was like, hey, I'm really ready for this kid. You just kind of have the kid and

you figure it out. You can convince yourself that you're ready, but you know, there's just a bunch. It's like you're just old to find everywhere. You don't know what's going on and like, you know, babies are kind of insane. To be like, oh, yeah, I'm definitely ready. I think people say that, but I don't think it's really true. It's also kind of a cop-out. But if you just are honest with her, and be like, hey, I'd like to enjoy just being married for a little bit, like a year or two, I understand

the timeline, but like, I'm on the same page. I want to have kids with you. You'd be a great mom. I'd throw that in a few, a few times. Yeah, just a little bit of that. But like, just, yeah, I think honestly, it's the best policy here, man. I don't know if there's any way to like, like, con your way out of this, you just have to like tell her how you feel, unfortunately. Um, and I think, I think, you know, the fact that you are on the same page of long-term goals is great. So like,

I don't think that's like, it's not like, hey, I actually don't even know if I want kids. Like, that's been, then, okay, then we have to rethink our entire relationship. It's not like that. But, um, I do think,

“I do think you should give her a timeline and try to stick to that if you're going to be honest with yourself.”

Yeah, if you come off sounding more like you have a plan rather than like, yeah, it's still like to be able to dart out to the golf course or the happy hour whenever I want. I'm sure that's not your only reasons. But like, if you don't have a plan, like her brain's going to go probably to like, reason she would think that you're trying to put this off. If you're like, man, I'm, I'm 26, I just got kicked off my parents out of the chair and it's like, maybe we could do a couple of,

you know, I think so Rudy's like, I'd like to enjoy marriage a little bit. If you like, if you had like an age that you thought it would be good or like, you know, a couple of things you wanted to accomplish in the mean time or whatever. Like, I think of you, if you just sound like a dude with a plan and not a guy who's like, you know, sloughing this off, I think it'll go a lot better with you. But I do think you have to be honest. Because if like the shoe was on the other foot and you

went into a marriage thinking one thing and then it's just like, you were actually just trying to, you know,

“quietly kick this can down the road of like a pretty important can and like you would be a little”

you might have to feel betrayed. So I would definitely, well, I've been known to give some advice to do some maybe untoward things before this is one thing I would probably be as upfront as you can and just, you know, get your bullet points down so you don't look like a fool when you're trying to tell you the opposite of what you want to hear. To the email, though, if you're worried about you being a little unsettled as opposed to like wishing you were a little bit more stable, that's not a good reason.

Okay, you love this woman. This is an incredible backstory. You want to have kids. You know, she's going to be a great mom. So the, hey, are you ready? Every single one of my friends in the

early process of it like, hey, what's it like? It's like, you know, you're, you're never ready.

You want to get to this point of like being ready. That doesn't really exist and then it just all sort of happens and you figure it out and it works out and that's it. And I can speak to at least part of this because, and again, this has just been being stupid. I'm not trying to get into some like deeper thing here of like where I'm at my headspace right now. But when I was younger and I was close to

married. I wanted to be like turn key man. I wanted to be a brand new build, turn key, everything is set up. I wanted my place to look like the back of a crate barrel catalog, but I wanted to be that as a

person. I wanted to be like zero doubt, zero lack of stability because I never wanted it to not work out.

I was like, if I do this, it has to work out. It has to be perfect. And the thing is it's a stupid concept. It's a fucking dumb thing to aspire to be. And I don't sit back here like years later. I'm just younger and was less educated about it. So this is not with remorse that I'm using this minor storytelling here thing. And when you think about it as it relates to kids, is, okay, I want to make sure like all of these things are set up. It's just fucking dumb. It's

“a waste of time. Like if you want to have kids with this woman that you're in love with,”

like, don't be probably going to be set. Yeah, it's not like, yeah, don't like good in the way perfect. Now, if the main thing is like, hey, I'm kind of like on dick around time here for another year, too.

No one understands that more than me, brother. Okay. I think I get it. I was at a fly shop,

way. What's working? Then I was like, oh, shit, a seven weight. I was like, I don't have one of those. I was like, why don't you rig one up? Fuck it. Put it something nice on it. And the guys were like, really? I'm like, yeah, because I don't have a kid. And I was like, fuck it. I'm just going to get this right now. And so that is a very empty thing to be like, I didn't get in the car going, man, I'm awesome. I just bought a seven weight nine foot rod that I might not even use because it's too big.

I know, I don't sit there going like, this is sick. So I'm just telling you like, even though you're 26, you're kind of like, I still like to maybe do this or go on this trip or whatever. I, again, I understand but you're, you're really, you could likely be sacrificing things that are very, very irrelevant on the grand scheme of things when you decide like you're probably going to love it. I, my guess would be, you're going to love it because your wife is going to be even happier than she is now.

It's happy she makes you now. You're going to be making her so incredibly happy. So look,

“if you want to give it a year or whatever, but really try to examine the reasons for your delay.”

Like part of it's probably being scared. Part of its lack of stability. Talk about just starting a new job. Hey, we're bought in house. I'm going to propose here next month. Like, can we slow things down a little bit? I'll tell you, I think if it's somebody who wants a family, they care about the kids more than they care about the house and the ring, which is the opposite of like what I think a guy is

always planning on where it's like, I want to have all these check all these boxes so that you feel

better and we have a better chance of success here. But I don't know, I would tell you more often than not like the number one thing they're thinking about is babies. You're right. Just be honest. It's okay. And it'd be, be a bigger time one. Don't let's do it when you do this. It can totally get away from you. How about you, buddy? It's going on with you over there. Well, it's certainly, it's certainly, I'd say coming down the pike at some point, speaking of what's going on in the future. I don't know.

We signed three-year deals. You had any heads up for me. It'd be nice. But I think you'll have a job. I think so too. But I definitely don't know it. So that's not 100% sure. Yeah, if there was some sort of email, maybe, or like a PDF, that's not kind of what I'm going to be on part of my take for like six months and like an exchange program. Who would you take? Exactly. Probably Zach. Yeah, I would think Zach would be more your speed. Yeah, I think it would be Zach. Nothing

to guess. I love all the guys in the show. But I think Zach, we would probably, but I don't know. What would have to, who would have to throw in cash? What I have to throw in cash for Zach,

“or would they have probably, yeah. Yeah, I think so. I don't think they're market. Really?”

They're pretty good markets. They're dealing with her shit today. Kyle Pettie. Yeah, I mean, I might be tapped out by the time the trade goes through. I mean, it might be just like a depreciating asset. So I don't know. I'd like to think after kicking a little sweetener. But I think both teams value their guy more than the one that I would say. I don't know. I think there's some, I kind of want you to go on with them at least for a day. We should do an exchange program

just for, for an episode. See how it goes. I think I'm flatter. Thank you. Good. I'm glad you're flatter. Okay. That'll do it. That'll do it. Shout out to Finn and feathers. Shout out to Gallatin River guides. What a, what a, what a crew of guides. What those names. But again, that story came to a screeching hall because Kyle's was just so much better. And then sometimes you have to bend the knee to better content next to Tom Kevin Kyle. Yeah.

Ryan, we're still a show. Our support. Cheers.