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Wendy and the shots. You knew I was going to be hot on it. It was the first thing I was looking for and man, the spurs did not disappoint me to start the game at least. The Fox drive, women yama positions himself. He gets behind cat on this Fox drive, lock dunk. Then he slips

“the screen. Cat has to stay up. He seals OG on this slip. You could say he goes to it.”

Another dunk and then castle gets trapped way out. Just chucks it up in the air to women yama who is kind of just lost in this scramble of how this defensive pressure was set up for the next. That leads to two points. So it's 11.5, three and a half minutes in, women yama has six to the 11 points and he's getting deep position. Thank you. He also had a driving OG and Antborn. He was fouled eight times. He finished with 32 points, 11 to 18, eight rebounds, six assists,

three blocks and you want to know what? Just like ice cube when he said he was benching 225, but nowadays it's still not enough. It wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. It's maddening. Yes, there's some passive possessions from him or just energy alone and an NBA coach hit me up

about this because one of the most amazing things about Wendy is at end to end. Look at the way he runs

the end to end. He is head down sprinting every single time. Like he's not really taking off any of the transition stuff that a lot of other big guys you're going to do to trail the play. So I do think he looks tired all the time just because the effort that he's playing with, not necessarily because I think it's conditioning is bad and he was terrific in the fourth quarter, last night. So I don't think it's necessarily conditioning thing. I just think it's the effort which he plays. So there are going to

be times sometimes in the set of the half course. Like hey, guess what? He's not going to cut super hard here. He's not going to be able to fight through some of this contact. I mean, some of the stuff that cat is doing to him off the ball, I cannot believe. Like it's one thing to have one arm, but like just straight up bare hugs and I'm not talking like bare hugs at the baseline where it's easier to ignore where it's just two guys at the three point line and Wendy wants to try to get lower and

and it's not like the spurs aren't super physical. I mean, some of the stuff where brunch is trying to bring it up just across half core and knowing that they'll probably call a couple of these but they're not going to call all of them. So let's keep doing it. So in no way is this like some sort of complaint about the way something is being officiated. It's just these games are incredibly physical. So at times, you just know, especially if you're him with that high center of gravity,

you're not necessarily having that man's strength right now that there's going to be sometimes like, oh man, I'm clamped up here. I'm not going to get any further. But I don't think that's happening all the time and that's been my point. It's being sold to us as if everyone is just when Wendy's not playing well or he's not getting opportunities that it's all entirely on him and it's just not true. This team has these stretches where the guards ignore him and it's driving me crazy even in a

win, even with that stat line. He has not getting the ball enough. They're not looking for him. You think I'm wrong? How about this? Out of the time out, it's 74 72, they have Mitchell Robinson in defending Wemby. They come out of that time out with a plan. It's a back screen for Wemby

He misses the layup, but it leads to an offensive rebound to more points. So that was after a break where the coaches could talk to the players being like, this is what we're going to do here because clearly, and I'm sure they're not saying it this way, but it's because it's happening. You guys keep forgetting about who your fucking teammate is out there and it's been going on

for like six minutes. We're going to run a play for him because we finally have all of you

guys in front of us. The same thing happens. First play to start the fourth quarter. Castle, a pick and roll were shockingly castle realizes when Wemby is rolling. He is eligible to receive a

“pass. I know Castle made every shot. He was terrific. He was super important to them because even”

though Harper had some great moments. The overall shooting was terrible. Harper was one eight from three. Just seemed super tight. Everybody seemed a little super tight on this one from three point line to close. But it was almost like this coaching staff had a tell castle on this play. Wemby is going to cut off of this and you are now supposed to pass the ball to him. I know crazy concept. He ends up being fell by cap before even gets a shot off because cats

at such a disadvantage on this actual action. So it's up to the guards and not ignore him. It seems like in those breaks the staff has to remind these guys who was out there with them and if they lose the series, this is going to be why. Number two, Fox 4, a 14 last night to go with the three and 13 from game one. His shooting splits were 39 and 18% from the floor. He had a transition turn over where I still don't know what he was trying to do. I watched it this morning. He had

another position where he fell down. So of course he hit the biggest shot of the entire game to put it away. But he has been, I think, a massive disappointment in the series. However, he's the only guard that wants to get it to Wemby Niyama on some of the stuff. Four of his eight assists were to Wemby Niyama. I want more two man Fox and Wemby Niyama positions. Make it happen. I want Wemby to get three more lobs. I'd like them to have 25 shots of game. I would like Fox and him

“to run more stuff together. That's how they get back into the series. Brunson number three,”

if you guys are still keeping track. Many of you are taking notes off of my notes, which would be just send us an email that life advice if you're doing that. Number three, Brunson 614

in the second half, the spurs decisions with Brunson. What they want to do help, no help,

game two, I thought it was really like just kind of fun to see the different strategies that they wanted to defensively against Brunson. And then they decided, I think, like last seven or nine minutes. I think he came in earlier. So I'm going to be nine. They decided to play him straight up. And for the most part, you know, other than those Brunson makes or like I can't believe. And that lay up that and Lonnie hit was back as to the basket, absurd stuff to be expected from him. But really what I was

looking at last night was the pressuring decision on him. As I was thinking about it, like whatever you bring up, the big to show with two on the ball, especially when it's somebody like Brunson,

“like you're not going to do it with some other player. You're like, I don't care if this guy”

turns to corner with Brunson, you do. When it doesn't work, there's a habit of like, well, why are they bringing this guy all the way up to the floor? The times where the big shows and closes off things and then delays the start of a team getting into their offense, I don't feel like those positions ever get any credit. Like we see it happen. It could happen like four or five times. Then the one time the guard turns to corner or somebody's out of position

or that you're playing four on three behind all of this pressure. You're like, why are they doing that? Just somehow thinking about it. But this pressure clogged up the nicks. The nicks did not

shoot it well clearly in the second half at all. But there was some stuff there where it just

felt like this is a lot of dribbling from Brunson. A lot of possessions were, I'm not even blaming Brunson for it, but it was like, man, he's just kind of out there trying to figure out some kind of angle. I thought the spurs had stretches defensively in this game that were just terrific. And after giving up 42 points in the second quarter, we're like, hey, have we seen this before? Nice lead here from the spurs early leads in all first quarters of all of these games in the

finals. And then, you know, Brunson hits a three OG hits another three and you're like, yeah, then dexavali it again. Like, is this spurs team going to be able to respond to this and credit to them. This young group at MSG, that building all the anticipation to blow the lead again, which was going to happen. Like, you knew that was going to happen. And then come back and win this game. Maybe this team was confident and comfortable for the right reasons instead of all the

rehears stuff that we see from teams that are down at tough spots. But 42 points in that second quarter, not very spursish. 47 points allowed total in the second half to the nicks. And if you look at the usage stuff in the second half, I mean, Brunson's at a huge number, which I'm not complaining about, because I think a lot of it was just delaying the nicks getting into their offense and then Brunson

really late. And now we're taking some of these shot clock grenade shots. We're actually a couple

“of them went in for the nicks. So if you look at the makes though in the second half, you know,”

Brunson went six or 14, OGs, the only other starter with Brunson that had one more than one

made field goal in the entire second half. Cat was one of six. Bridges one of four. Heart, who was

terrific early with those threes, those ignore you threes and hearts hitting all of them. So you're like, well, if heart's going to do this, an OG's going to do this and even with a down game from cat, like, we're probably going to go up 30 in this, but sham it as a non-starter one of five. So Brunson and OG, the only guys with more than one make in the second half for all these nicks. Number four, the shooting variance argument in game three specifically the fourth quarter. I don't think it

holds up for the nicks in this one because San Antonio missed everything in the fourth quarter two. Again, these were not comfortable threes realizing it was on the line. The way it was coming out of some of these guys' hands are like, these dudes are, this is just different, man. It's just a little bit different. Sometimes you're too open. I was looking at it last time, like, I feel like on the wide open the fourth quarter threes. Like, I might want a guy closing out on me. I want

maybe somebody near me. So I have less time to think about how wide open I am to try to avoid going down 03. San Antonio was one of nine threes in the fourth quarter. The nicks were two a 14 and both of those were super late. I mean, they started off like, oh, of 10 of 11 in the fourth quarter. To close it out number five, just some stats I'm looking at here in game three, the Coranette minutes held up really well, tracked it all night. When one became out, when he came back in,

there wasn't that disgusting run. Even though there was a stretch in the second quarter where

you could just see the attack dogs were out. All right, let's make the most of these Coranette

“minutes. I think the nicks even kind of staggered a little bit to line up. Bronson to get some of”

those possessions when women were young. It was sitting out. But on the whole in the nine minutes the Coranette was out there. That's 39 minutes for women. Yama, Coranette was only a minus three. Fast break points. Remember when the spurs used to have fast break points? They didn't have anything going last night. And it's getting worse every single game, 15 in game one, 11 fast break points in game two, only five last night. And that's off of some turnovers there that the

nicks had. The defensive rebound numbers because we're seeing this three guard line up to close from San Antonio, which means Harper has to be out there, even with the shooting night. It's clearly the right decision. But if you look at the defensive rebounding numbers, I was like, is this lead to a problem? Are these some of those regular season stretches or even

that first half against Oklahoma City, where game I think was game seven, you're like, man,

they can't seem to contain the glass even when being out there. I looked at the numbers.

“They're rebounding. They're defensive rebounding percentage is 35% of defensive rebounds. That's”

really good because it's also the same number that they had in the regular season that led the NBA. So in this series, that number is actually not as bad and not even close to as bad as it feels like some of these stretches, which maybe is just the way basketball works. Sometimes you have some stretches where it's like, hey, for four minutes, we can't seem to keep them off the offensive glass. Mitchell Robinson was a major factor in that come back in the fourth quarter in the cup

final when they were in the nicks were down going on that fourth quarter and those first minutes of the fourth quarter is just the Mitchell Robinson show. That has not played out at all. I'm not saying you're right, I'm off here because this is sort of a habit that we all have like, hey, tell the Johnson gameplay, this guy can't play, this guy can't play, this guy can play, this guy can play, hey, you got to play five guys. But the Mitchell Robinson minutes have not been good.

Game one, a minus four, game two, a minus 10 and a game three, minus 13, his minutes have gone from 13 minutes, 14 minutes, to only seven minutes last night. So, you know, look, you get that OG game who where it feels like he and Bridges are taking turns between incredibly unstoppable, but you didn't have a huge game from cat. The bench actually didn't show up the way it had other times and they were still very much in this game. So, nothing to feel bad about other than

looks and Antonio is really good, but there as I've said now for two podcasts, incredibly frustrating. So, nothing to be too worried about unless all of a sudden these guards seem to figure out that they could probably pass it to the big guy a little bit more. He was in the building last night for all the chaos game through the NBA Finals and MSG. James L. Edwards from the athletics covered the nicks for the last couple years. He joined us recently. We ran into him in San

Ann tone and we're like, hey, we got to have our guy back on. All right. So, set the scene for us because we know that this with President Trump in attendance, the first sitting president to ever attend the NBA Finals and vided by Nicks on our James stolen, give us a sense of what it was like going in. It was certainly, I don't want to say, I don't want to say a nervous energy, but it wasn't the energy that the situation called for. Nicks fans have been awaiting 27 years to watch

things were just like a little off. Like we were told as media to get there four hours before the start of the game for those unfamiliar. We're usually allowed to get in about like three

hours two and a half depending on the arena. You walk. We were told that basically every street around

the garden was going to be closed at four. So you wanted to get there a little earlier just to avoid

“any of that and then you're waiting in a line in the sun because you have to go through TSA level”

security. It was so detailed the security that you had to have your laptop, if your laptop wasn't charged and on, you had to go sit in a corner and charge your laptop until it was charged so that it could go. They could check all whatever they need to check. That's beyond my security measures. Yeah, man, it was you get there. You see these kind of like bullet proof. I assume bullet proof like glass. Stanchions right outside of the garden where players go in and out and you see these police

motorcycle barricade. What is it called when it's not a barricade. Motorcade. Motorcade. Then you get in the arena. You get a little bit of normalcy other than like the garden for as tremendous and historical of arena it is. It's not necessarily conducive to like big events of that nature. Like the back room isn't like the biggest back room. The hallways are pretty narrow. So when you can find a little willow room to sit down and find a little piece. You look around and

“you look up and you see this this sweet with like bullet proof class around it. I believe it was”

seat 47. I'm sure that was intentional for President Trump. And then yeah, you can only navigate around certain parts of the arena at certain times. He got in just so it was just an experience

that like was very unique and something I'll probably, I mean, you never know. You may experience

again, but that's not what that day was supposed to be about and it definitely felt like it while the garden crowd was tremendous first and foremost. It just felt like weird all day and maybe because I had to deal with certain, I know the fans had to get there early too, but just certain parameters and things like that. I wasn't on my normal routine when I go to the garden. So it was just a little off. Maybe it was just me, but I definitely think like it was just an awkward energy

before it was the exciting energy that the situation deserved. What's the game kicked in though? I mean, did it feel the way that you would have expected it to feel after 27 year weight of hosting an NBA Final game? Oh yeah, it was rocking. They they showed the nicks. So every game the nicks, the players line up in the hallway before they hit the court and they showed it on the jumbo tron. This time, man, it was like one of the biggest pops. It was like, under takers been

gone for 10 years and you hear that bell. And he's coming out to make his entrance to the curtain. It was, it was pulsating with energy in there once that once things kind of got a little

bit normal and it looked like finally like basketball was going to be played. It was, it was

raucous. It was vibrating and kudos to the spurs, man. They came out like they've done all series and they punched first and they were not rattled at all by that environment. They were in the

“and I always have a theory that for the nicks, I think it's harder to play in those environments”

for a lot than a lot of those like good teams even if they're young. That's a lot of pressure hanging on every shot dribble pass from those fans who just wanted to see their team win so much. What do you think the biggest factor last night for this far as the spurs getting this one? So one thing that really stuck out to me, I don't know if it's the biggest factor but it's something that I was monitoring and games wanted to that. And again, I haven't watched the game back yet,

game three. So if, if you disagree, please let me know or if anybody listening disagrees, I thought Steph Castle was absolutely terrible and games wanted to any time you got inside the arc and in the paint. Whether it was what's his finishing, whether it was what his decision-making, he just seemed flustered anytime he was in the trees. And I thought in game three, he was really, really good at kind of dictating his space, being decisive when he did get in the paint, being able

to finish. And I thought it really did set a tone for the spurs to get going because they missed a lot of bunnies in those first two games. Castle missed a lot of layups, Harper missed a lot of layups, but I really thought Castle was really good. I also thought that what I's one thing that we've noticed in Marcus Thompson, my coworker wrote a great piece on this. And games wanted to, the nicks were winning the corners. Like there's a lot of swing swing shots where they were just

kind of stepping into pretty good jumpers in those corners. And OGs been fantastic,

three's that the nicks did hit were tough and contested. I definitely don't think they were there

and both like games one and two. Again, I haven't watched back, we're just watching it live. It felt like they're their shots weren't as, um, there weren't as many practice shots for the, for the nicks as there were, and games one and two. I thought the spurs did a good job stay in home and, and not blitting brunt in as much as much. Yeah, the brunt's in decisions have been really

“interested in, um, because I think that part of it's been really smart from San Antonio, where they're”

not going to stay in one thing necessarily all the time. Right. I also think at least him bringing it up as I was talking about the open like the pressure on him, just to kind of slow them down. It felt like that nicks offense. We could talk about misthrees, but it felt like the only long stretch of them doing just clogged offensively, which was kind of like the first time, all, you know, really we're talking nicks playoffs in a long time. I'm like, okay, these are a lot of drill

possessions. And I don't, I want to show this. I don't look at it as Brunson, like some of the Alvarado stuff over the year, I'm like he comes in. He dribbles the air out of the ball. He had two makes last night that I can't believe went in. So good for Alvarado. But when Brunson's dribbling the air out of the ball, like I don't know that he's doing it with the intention of like, I just want to keep the ball the entire time. I think he's trying to find that stuff, but it was a credit to the spurs

defensively to get them so late to finally kind of, I mean, a lot of those possessions. It was so late the shot clock. And I just think that's all because of the defense. I'm with you a hundred percent. I

think that is kind of something that gets tagged on Jayland that I don't necessarily always agree

with. Like when he's being guarded one on one, like that is what a lot of teams look for. They're best player being guarded one on one and having the opportunity to go put the ball in the basketball opportunity to put a guy in fall trouble on Jayland Brunson despite his height despite his and he has a quick first step. He's not the most athletic. His footwork is phenomenal. He scored against

“great defenders. His entire career is entire next tenure. But I think with this spurs team,”

they're not tired. Like I think there's moments where Wimbie looks tired and there's times like they look a little tired, but they find a second win and having being able to throw cast a lot of being able to throw champagne on him, being able to throw a vissella on him, Harper on him, like what team in the NBA has four guards who are probably B at minimum B minus defenders. And some of those guys are A's that they can just rotate on Brunson. Like they didn't see that like Dyson

Daniels is awesome. That's all at Lina had. Yeah. Filly. Filly had. I love B. J. H. Go. He's not ready for that Cleveland. Like come on. Like Cleveland has nobody, right? Like this is four guys where at minimum B minus guys. And at the very least have size to at least disrupt Brunson at times that

they're able to rotate. And I think it finally wore on them. Yeah. That was kind of one of the

biggest things I was talking about before the finals that even started. I'm like granted Champenny is the target. Like he is the target. And you can see either purposely hunting him where might not even be the first screen. They'll switch one to get into the other one to try to like mess up the spurs. And you can see Brunson when he knows that he has him, even if it's not necessarily because of some pre-determined hunting thing. It's like, okay, I have to make the most of this

possession because I have him first because I think Fox is actually battled them really well. And then Fox too other level. You know, Fox is not known for his defense. I'm telling you like he is he is in the fight against Brunson and some of these defense of possessions here. So

“there's a bigger Brunson thing. If you want to start looking at the net rating, which is now making”

the rounds that they've been better with him off the floor. That's one of those net ratings that they just have a heart because I'm like, who did you want taking all the shots in the fourth quarter of game one? All right. You guys want to net rating this? Okay, cool. All right, Bridges. It's your nine minutes. Yeah. And his greatest OG has been like you're not running stuff for OG or it's like, hey, just freelance and figure out what you want to do. What do you think of when you see that

number making the rounds that looks damning for Brunson's been it so far? Well, there's a couple things to it. And one of them is a common theme that I've been kind of talking about with the next all year, but I'll start with this. When Brunson's on the floor, the spurs have their best players on the floor. Like, that's just what it is. Castle is probably going to be out there. Foxes probably going to be out there. Harper's probably going to be out there, right? Like, and their whole focus

is to stop him. And yes, like, Jalen is not shot the ball. Well, I actually even think Jalen, like, is as good as San Antonio has been on him. I think Jalen has even missed shots that, like, he normally makes. Right. Like, I think some of it is just variants. And I think that plays a big part of it. But the other thing is this is, if we're going to talk about how great the next roster has been. And it has been awesome. And Leon Rose deserves a ton of credit.

Since day one, honestly, actually, since the cat trade, this has not been a team that has multiple legitimate, like, natural ball handlers, right? Like, we saw even though they, even though they won

it goes back and watch. Like Bridges almost lost the ball two or three times on those ISO positions. He just was able to get up over his guy and put the ball on the basket. Right. Like,

there's second best, like, ball handler might be Josh Hart. If you're not counting, like, I'm

talking about that starting line of like Alvarado's obviously a point-guard, but he dribbles a lot too,

“and still was trying to figure out his way in the offense. And I think that when you have a team,”

like San Antonio, who is so versatile defensively, who is so good on the ball, like, there are moments when this team looks like, yeah, like, we really could use like an extra natural, like OG's been awesome. OG is not a break you down off the dribble in, like, create offense type guy. So like, I think while Brunson has struggled, like, that is the one way for the next to create advantages, because he is the one guy who can break a man down off the dribble, get in two feet into the pain

and create swing swings. And yeah, it has not been as great as it's the one we've been, it hasn't. But I also think that's just a bigger look at how the one kind of fatal flaw this next roster is just the lack of natural ball handlers, particularly in that starting unit.

The Mitchell Robinson minutes have not been what they were that I always referenced like that

cup final where it was like he just came in and beasted everybody late in that game. Do you think Brown is looking at this and cutting his minutes and half to only seven last night is like maybe where this goes or do they think hey, we can't, I just don't like when it's like hey, a couple bad games and everybody's called for somebody to never play and you go, you know, sometimes you're just going to ride with your guys and hope you get him back to 12 minutes and he

has a much better impact even though this is three games now where it hasn't been great. It could be heading that way. I personally hadn't thought Mitch had had a great playoff in general for as great as the mix had been like if you think back, I know Ryan you were paying close attention like the Boston series last year, the Detroit series last year, even some of the pace or stuff like Mitch won them legitimate games during that postseason run to the Eastern Conference

finals. Maybe there's one in game where like all that was the Mitchell Robinson game this boy else but other than that he's been like pretty subdued now to his his credit Atlanta like smaller team but then once they got passed that you're like you're looking at in bead and drum. I know in bead wasn't healthy but that is a little bit more size. You're looking at Cleveland who's known for their size and now you're in San Antonio where you have Wimbee, you have Luke Burnett,

Dylan Harper's I don't have the numbers in front of me but I thought specifically last night he's been really good as a rebounder castles been good as a rebounder. Yeah, I mean listen,

“also the free throw things plays a part into it. I think that there is a fear of”

mocking up an offense that already sometimes can muck up itself when things aren't going well. But yeah and even like defensively I I thought last year like Mitch was really good at guarding in space. I don't think he's been as good at that this year. Like I just I don't know what it is but like I've kind of that's something I've talked about at points of season where Mitch defensively has been good. Not as great as he's been and he's been hurt but like last year and then

in this series specifically the offense of rebounds like the spurs. Yeah, they have two huge guys but those guards really get in there and they they really have a good job of like attacking the paint and not letting Mitch Robinson just feast one on one. Do you think Kat was left out of the

offense or maybe exhausted after a third game of just trying to bear huck one min y'all for the

minutes they're matched up. So I think it's a little bit of a common theme there too. Like I don't think if I'm not mistaken I thought I saw that Kat hasn't scored in any fourth quarter in this series.

“I don't think it was just last night and I think that's part of their offense and it”

not know like not their goal is not to let have not have Kat score. Hey we held it. We held it. We held it. We held it. We held it. We held it. We held it. We held it. I'm saying I'm saying that they've been so inadated in this cat as the hub and I think he's really embraced it to the point where when guys are cutting well, which we saw in games one and two, he's finding them and they're not necessarily needing that or they're getting out in transition and they're scoring and they're

not needing that. The one thing we say about Carl Anthony Towns all the time for is great of a shooter is he doesn't shoot as much as we want him to shoot the ball. And I think we see that sometimes in the fourth quarter is it's like his best looks can be if he's just letting it fly from three and there's sometimes in these fourth quarters where I think he has a little sliver of space and he's not and he's kind of fixated on on this hub water polo style passing and needing guys to cut

and when the next cut when Bridges specifically cuts this offense really opens up and Bridges was not moving with the same verb that he has late in that game and then also I think Jaylin had to sit so long he came back in and was trying to find a rhythm too. It was just a weird I don't know if it's necessarily like the spurs did something or Kat was tired. I do think that's

I think he had it right here. He is not scored a point in any of the fourth quarters. Yeah in the NBA final spot. I don't look at that as like him because we all look at these players differently. Like a Harper were in his fourth year and went one for eight from three we'd be on his case and instead we're looking at him going he's dunking on OG and Anobi is a rookie in a spot that you know it's there's a New York City element to it not that he's in New York City

kid but it's like oh my god this guy is incredible and I was kind of laughing going he's missing every single three and if you're not a rookie we'd be going like this guy can't be shooting at

this many times and so for Kat if you just say he's never scored in the fourth quarter and they're

up to one. I mean there was this is not surprising but there was a momentum swell going into this game three or it's like every single fan base now if they're up to oh things it's supposed to be a sweet because it's like a funny thing to chant to say whatever your team fill in the blank in four. So there's Nixon for they haven't lost them forever they're killing these teams although both of those games at San Antonio obviously game two comes down

in the last possession game one was an extremely close game that ends up being double digits technically to continue that streak but I felt like I couldn't tell if it was in New York City

“thing because even I think the best nick spans wouldn't actually have that kind of arrogance”

that it's like hey we're just gonna sweep San Antonio unless you were going with their young it's now caught up to them but again my point is that they were young then you lose games seven I mean technically yes they are young but if they were young from an experienced standpoint you don't win games seven against Oklahoma City even with their injuries in that building so then it's like you get to apply that to the San Antonio losses but there was this

I don't want to say it's arrogance because it seems negative but this swell of like you realize San Antonio is pretty good and I would argue relatively dumb on offense for too many

long stretches the way that they ignore their guy and so to lose the first one even with that

excitement like it's it's probably what's supposed to happen like this series should be two one right and I agree with you wholeheartedly and I know I'm with you like arrogance isn't the word because if I say arrogance it makes it seem like I don't understand what Nick's fans are doing like what's wrong with you guys because they should be this excited it's an awesome fan base okay so I don't want to make it sound like I'm poking fun at them or criticizing them for going into it

but it almost felt like you know I know exactly what you mean the greatest army ever in vain this country you go they have no chance you're like no San Antonio has a chance unless the moment was gonna be too big for them what you was no you're 100% right and it kind of goes back to what I was

“saying earlier like I think it's like the spurs are they don't think they're not looking at it like this”

but like they're playing with house money they're not supposed to be here yet and like you said I think there's a New York bias maybe that's the word we're looking for where oh we've been waiting 27 years for this this place is gonna be rocking like the players can't wait to play here like this young team isn't like this isn't Oklahoma City this isn't game seven this isn't like we're doing a prayer before the game this is straight rockest this is straight New York this is straight

energy but with that and I said this earlier I have always kind of felt like it's tougher for the

home team in that environment everybody every fit you can hear the groans when they miss a moment I'm turning through a potential back breaking three you can hear the groans when somebody misses a free throw you can put that group that fan base for as much energy as they bring they've seen a lot of let down right and I think that still comes out when things aren't going well for their basketball team at times and I'm not saying like them um exhaling or like uh because

a turnover happened like sucks the life out of the building because they get it bet right back but like I think players hang on every past dribble and shot there and if you're San Antonio it's like we're down to oh we're not supposed to be here yet we play hard to shit anyway like we're just going to defend and whatever happens happens like I just really do think that that was a tough environment for the nicks to walk and let's also remember this I don't have them to calendar in

front of me once the last time the nicks are played in the garden like we're talking almost like

“14 days maybe not that's what it was like yeah yeah like that's a that's an energy shift like”

that is your body has to recalibrate to that and listen the nicks will throw in the ball into the stands to start the game um like 13 turnovers listen like yes that's a lot in the finals it's about like I think that nicks ravaging 13 for the playoffs like it wasn't a tiny it was just the fact that there were just a lot of live ball turnovers that led the easy points for San Antonio I think yeah

environment again I didn't think the nicks were as connected to defensively as they usually have been

“I thought that spurs that are really good job of having especially early like let's just put”

this big fella like near the rim and let's beat a guy off the dribble and if we don't have a layup we'll just throw it up to the guy that nobody can jump with like there was just so many more labs that it looked like the spurs realized like oh yeah we have this seven five guy who if we just throw it up there he's gonna jump over cat like there was just I don't know maybe the spurs just needed to get away from home to realize the obvious but there's a lot of obvious that they figured out

last night in game three last home game game two against Cleveland made 21st holy and we're in how to it's good lord yeah that's a recap of the version of energy that you're not used to and I thought it showed early on I thought the crowd was kind of dead in the

second half and sometimes you can argue hey you're coming off this hot second quarter and I know

you're jumping up but I'll use the example of when you had the Mitchell Robinson contest on the Wemby three and it was three and then the foul and it was a good challenge Robinson gets pushed in the back so they think they're gonna win that challenge there's maybe an argument over how hard

“he was actually pushed but then you have to stop it to play and then you're right back into the”

replay on cat dragging Wemby and Yam is arms down and getting that so there it felt like 10 minutes of real time of us getting back to back replays around to break in very little basketball great point that that place felt dead after that that is a great point and you're right in that moment now that I'm thinking back to it it was just in a game that was already like kind of filled with awkward energy that brought some awkwardness to the flow and especially when you

you factor in that like the nicks rattled off such a strong ending to that first half right

like I think they went into half time up seven so now you're like breathing you're feeling you're feeding off this energy the game stops but you were kind of down so bad not so bad but you were down in that first half that even this run that you go on you you're only up what seven at half time and then that was a one point game within a minute so like there's I agree with you

“like I think there was just enough and listen Mike Brown has his gripes with the following”

I understand where he's coming from like yes we were probably following but they probably were too like I could understand why a coach would say that I would also argue that the nicks do follow a lot that has been something that they do and like you just mentioned just unnecessary like the cat grabbing arms like we've seen that a few times in this series that really swing momentum that really kill just kind of the vibe going on and it's not just

there's other ones but it's just he's he loves a good arm grab man he loves a good arm grab and it finally bit them last night it tells me he's doing it way more than we even noticed and he's probably going the math on this is in my favor the problem without one was it was so out in the open yeah and they missed it they missed it too so he's thinking like I'm going to keep doing it so right he probably like the castle push on OG like I watched that one go on

what did you think was going to happen there but it's probably happening although with OG at that size ends up in that position off a jump shot and there's probably a little bit more on that push than we're realizing um I have two things I have like one bigger thing and then a quick thing

so one thing is I always wanting to get from you guys because you're in the building around these

teams all the time like the the intel like what now what and the answer is they're the next they're really good they lost the game they're still took to one you likely didn't decipher anything worth sharing that gives us a lead in the game for but the question is more about do you think that they feel comfortable enough like hey we were probably going to lose one of these anyway Mike Brown was almost telling that message a little bit is there any trend of this that you think

is actually alarming though for New York I mean there's a couple things to keep an eye on like I trust Jalen to figure it out right he didn't start the Atlanta series great oh actually he did start the he did start it great he had like 19 in the first quarter of game one but then after that like there's a few games he needed to figure out decent Daniels maybe that happens here but maybe there's a world where there's not again they have so many bodies they can throw him their athletic

and young and strong that that could be a thing I also think defensively they might have figured out some stuff them being San Antonio don't necessarily blitz brunsen is hard garden one on one stay home on shooters don't let them get a lot of swing swings the other thing that's worth monitoring is can they stop winby from the from the stronger roles that he had last night we saw him do a good job in one and two did the spurs on like something

everybody in that locker room continues to say it's zero zero they said it when they're

“beating teams up three's nothing they're saying it when they lose a game they have this mentality”

and grain I wrote a piece today off the game where it's like at the very least we deserve the next deserve this benefit of the doubt um their real identity this season has been their ability to kind of combat and and face resiliency head on we see it in fourth quarters games we see them we see them down twenty all the time but we've become so accustomed to it that it's like we expect them to win we all saw them win the cup and then go two and nine after that and then rattle off

age straight wins we saw them start the year poorly and then win a bunch of games in a row like that is who this next team is a team that it really faces it resiliency as good as any team I've seen in the NBA so with that they deserve the benefit of the doubt you kind of just chalk it up is San Antonio's really effing good they weren't rattled in that environment and that is a team that you weren't going to sweep no matter how you felt to go going back to the garden it wasn't

“gonna happen man that San Antonio team is too good so maybe the next not the greatest basketball”

team of all time which I saw floated out there apparently not like it it was heading that way it was it seemed like it was heading that way no it wasn't it was not heading that way that was for a year if they had swept man like I wasn't gonna name this team the greatest team of all time but I'm gonna look at home still up to one and if you're gonna get this alternating coi Leonard impersonation from OG and McKell bridges every other game I mean you know there's

always these things with games like all you wasted the OG game or you did all that and it's like

look it came down to again the last few positions these have been really fun games with both beautiful stuff and completely clogged up physical ugly stuff and I've I've loved the three games of the series so far so I have two men all right last thing and it's quick it is funny to see Rick Bronson go from oh that guy to now it took three games for people to start calling him in A.U. head coach who's on a next step it is the most fascinating like subplot of the next team

because it took the finals it took the finals for people to realize what's been going on yes no it's it's the thing is that's interesting because so under tips I don't know if people know this but tips did not like really consult with his assistant coaches much like you've seen so much basketball you know there's like when the coach calls the time out he usually convenes with his assistant coaches and he goes into the huddle and talks to his players

again I only covered tips for a year been pretty sure this was a common theme tips would not like consult with his assistant coaches tips would just like do a thing and then go into the huddle Mike Brown has been so making his assistant available and like Rick has had real responsibilities this season where he's controlling the substitution pattern he's the one that's like hey he's the one that you only really see get up and whisper something in Mike Brown's here

so it's like it's weird seeing this trajectory where he's like gone from what people saw it's just like Jalen's dad just sitting there to like actually being somebody that Mike Brown really like leans on to now it's like the whole fox thing you saw the dad come out in game two where him and Jalen are getting into it he's all the way down there bad and I want to shout out Tony Brothers for not giving a tech there even though Mike or even though Rick was all the

way down to say to Tony oh Bench like he's like oh it's a dad like I get it but now everybody yeah there's a loss and now everybody's back on Rick is just in the AU dad which there's not the case to do it has been very helpful to Mike Brown this season enjoy game four look forward to

reading again on the athletic James Ella Edwards thanks for appreciate you have him is always man thank you

the alliance marches on one leg one column has I've been a terrible an awful stretch here we gave out cat minus 18 and half points so he was like eight seven two and a half and I was like okay fine and of course he had 18 so I've been a problem for the team here I apologize but we are

“undeturned ready to go you do you have been a problem uh it's important to be honest yeah it's”

the same thing usually you're at about 35% it's unbelievable how bad I want two three four five six seven eight nine 10 11 12 13 14 15 like you're like six and 15 and you're last however many so it's not it's not been great but you know what could be the last finals game we do this on so let's turn this around we're also not in the abilities but probably we get hot yeah you've been waiting for bait spots season to turn around that's my thing I get it set you bad stretch it's such bad dessert all maybe you guys can do

Thursday's pot and I'll just do the ads yeah hey well yeah let's have them start all right we're

starting with the heart beat of the next Josh heart I'm doing my first PRA if you don't know if that

them open I go side bet you a hundred bucks that's going under I hate that should probably take

that then from you it is a bull move to when you're on a it's just apically bad run to be like actually I don't like that bad yeah that is pretty yeah it's a lock that's an under all right well so really I had a different one it's really was like we got to get closer to even money just so we can we get the vibes where we need to be right well yeah because Ryan why don't you give yours out because yours you you pull the collar here and yours is like a minus 160 almost so

“but you do I think it's a ridiculous I think it's a bad number it's I want Fox assists I want the”

over because I think they'll prioritize that with the success that they had I know he's averaging six I

can't believe it's minus 50 from to go what over six is it over six or is it five and a half five and a half

right okay that's minus 150 so I'm given it out I need it but I still can't believe the value sucks that bad on it Kyle what was the other bet you wanted just just I want to price it out I want to I wanted the next I want to mix money line yeah well I'm going to I'm going to well now we can't go back because I'm going to take the next minus to it yeah no this is really about you guys it's really not about me so let go I think it's about you right now I think you guys are happy with your

guts as long as you guys are happy with your bets I'll stick with the heart with the heartbeat of it I'm on your side Kyle I'm on your side like I think it's Ryan for Ryan to say that and his current form is is a it's aggressive so open hits I'm going to take next minus two and a half there you go

“I think they played weird and I think James is right five so we're in the building he talked about it”

off air game for winter probably won't be serious I think next one series so at this point take him at home minus two and a half and those three bets put a set I think plus 440 so not bad okay check out the latest odds on draft games sometimes I feel like we should have this guy in retainer my friend Bruce Feldman the athletic and foxes coverage of college football there's probably a story that comes up from college football over the week or like we have Feldman on now we had to have

him on today because Brennan source be the Texas Tech quarterback has been ruled eligible after sitting out was originally a really worried sit out the first two games then he was ruled in eligible for gambling on sports while a student and we had a judge down in Texas it was like no he's good to go so I was looking through some of the arguments Bruce can you kind of take us through the timeline of events here so everybody's on the same page as the exam at where we're at right now

yeah for most people who probably had never seen Brennan source be play he actually started out

his career in Indiana back in in 2022 this is before India and it was very good he didn't you know he wasn't playing much there and he started gambling and betting on games back then before he was actually playing in the games he was on the team but made a lot of bets then then eventually transfer he did play in Indiana then he transferred to Cincinnati was a pretty good player we can get into more about just how good he is a little later and then he became this hot name you know a lot

of the coaches I talked to last winner were like he's probably the top available quarterback in the portal and so he got around $5 million from Texas Tech to make this move and the crazy parts of this is as it came to light probably like a month and a month or so ago that he had not only gambled but gambled so much you know we're talking about close to a hundred grand

“you know nine thousand bets I think I'm talking thousand bets and not just on like football”

games on some really random stuff right and so when the news came out that Texas Tech tried to get out in front of it they also said he was going to enter a rehab program for his addiction so that happened and like all this time you're thinking okay he's probably going to have to go into the supplemental draft because anybody who's gotten caught gambling at all related to college sports and I'm not even talking about like he gambled that he bet on games that he was on it

on the team it wasn't like oh he also bet on Cincinnati women's lacrosse and you know the other sports at the school he was betting you know he was in the program when this was going on in addition and so it was just assumed by everyone because we have all these other cases it's like really the one hard and fast rule that the NCA can claim to if you bet you you're pretty much done and so that's where we thought it was going to be his attorney he ended up hiring Jeffrey

cases and down up against you know it's been involved in all sorts of high-level high-profile cases

and so they had come forward and said basically he is going to serve a two-games suspension

and by the way those two games are against Oregon State and Abelian Christian who were probably the two worst opponents that Texas Tech plays and the NCA shot that down fast and so then they

“got this judge who is a retired judge he's been retired I think since 2012 he's from”

Fort Worth but this was heard in Lubbock County and there was not a there was like I talked to some lawyers yesterday there was like there was actually nothing really to what this this case it was just basically like okay he's getting cleared he's gonna sit out the first two games and that's that and it is just mind boggling to anybody who has been paying attention to college sports it has made

folks inside the big 12 apoplectic there already really like felt like Texas Tech was the villain

because the way they throw money around with NIL and they feel like they're getting around a lot of the a lot of the cold guardrails if there are such a thing when it comes to NIL but now this is this is weight next level and it's gonna get ugly it's already gotten really ugly but I feel like it's getting uglier I was on the phone most of the day yesterday with different people coaches and then administrators around the big 12 who feel like the NCA is not very optimistic that they're going to

“win an appeal or a timely appeal or get one so right now I think the main recourses can the other”

15 schools their athletic directors and their presidents put enough pressure on Brett you're marked the commissioner the big 12 to be like yeah he you know Texas Tech didn't have to plan they didn't have to put out some some some stupid statement that that said that like said all the right things except for the part about any accountability it's like we're not planning them we're not gonna play against them and we're not gonna play against Texas Tech because the rules

the basic rules that come with college sports are not applying to them and they've had enough that's part of the NCA's statement that I was reading this morning too it's like there's one hardened fast rule so now it's to be in a I'm paraphrasing kind of a collection of all these different thoughts it's like real if you did this in any of the professional leagues you're done and there's

“like what's in there in the NCA if you do this you've done and so now we're league if you want to”

describe the NCA that way but in particular case this if you just go college football like we are a league where you can bet on games while you're a player and then you're ruled eligible and going through some of the other facts again 9,000 bets 9,000 and at least 90 grand at least 90 grand to and there's evidence in there that he was betting on opposing players overs it's there's so much so many layers to his individual case and I think that the the wildest part about this

is somehow running source being Texas tech and this judge have made the NCA a sympathetic figure

we've never had that before like it means because there's been so many other athletes,

basketball players, football players, wrestlers who've been banned for like one thing not related to betting they're on their own team even lunch um yeah it just just crazy and this um you know everybody's head spinning after what came down from this retired judge what else can you share with us I don't know if you're putting in an article or maybe there's stuff that you can't share but just reaction from whether it's big 12 coaches or other coaches and college football

yeah so you know like I contribute to the story on the athletic yesterday we talked to a lot of coaches around college football a lot of administrators about how egregious this is and how outrage they all were and because of it I'm gonna read you a quote from a big 12 coach that I talked to yesterday and he was like listen I'm about to go into a team meeting it's like what kind of message are we sending to college players he was like we're gonna tell him do what you want this is quote just

make sure you get a good attorney and just don't make one just don't make one bet make a lot that way you can claim you're addicted um the part about the addiction and that him going to rehab also seem to come up with a bunch of people who got really skeptical and was like that's a crock of shit it's all about you know where's the accountability you knew you were breaking the rules

you have an addiction and I think the layers of this with um Texas tag there's a lot of folks

who are like where is your more all compass you know like you you may as well let every kid bet I mean how do you how do they message just going forward you can't tell players right now well don't bet because if you do you will be banned for you know when this guy's one of the highest paid football players in college football right now I'm not I mean I would imagine Bryce

“Underwood is making more money and there's probably a handful of guys who I think are making more”

than swordsby but I would think it's only like you can count on one hand how many guys there are and he's getting clear he's sitting out for a ablion christian I mean the other part that's kind of

interesting to me on this is I had a story to go up on the athletic this morning about

just how good is he actually right because we started doing some of the reporting on this part was like man this guy was the most coveted guy in the portal he's he's pretty big he's got a strong arm and he moves well you know and part of this reporting was going into like okay he's going to go on the supplemental draft because he's not going to be able to be eligible in college for wanting more and so I talked to coaches and faced him coaches have been around him all sorts of

things and the evaluation is interesting because there's there's impressive physical tools in

“terms of arm strength in terms of running ability and size but he's also a guy in this came”

up when I talked to a personnel director in the big 12 yesterday who was like I watched every game he played the last two years he's like oh and nine in November games he completely you know the intangible piece is missing and you watch him and you're like okay I didn't think he was going to be able to elevate his game to go you know to lead Texas Tech to a national title they made the playoff last year their quarterback wasn't good enough and then they got shut out by or again

in the playoff like 24 to nothing and well was this guy going to be better this person I talked to yesterday was like you think he's going to be any you think he's going to be better now with all this stuff he's dealing with mentally all the scrutiny he's facing now and all the scrutiny he's going to face if he actually gets on the field in plays I mean in this guy used an interesting example he was like it's not the same thing but look at Sean Watson the Sean Watson was a really

good quarterback early in his career in the NFL then he gets suspended a lot of stuff comes out and he falls apart and that's a guy who was really good at one point you know he's a great college quarterback and and when everything kind of came to a head it seemed to change affect him on the field so how source you're going to be if he actually gets to play that'll be almost as interesting as what happens with the big 12 over the next uh next few weeks before I get to the

big 12 part of this you know it did remind me a little bit about Alabama basketball where it was like this guy's eligible to listen to G league and then it was like what happened to go well a judge ruled it and then it was like no it's not going to work out and then it's just kind of like there were parallels here where it was like this retired judge and love a county just all the sudden gets to rule that this is a mental health concern and so he's good to go

like isn't there another part of this like the basketball player in Alabama we're like a bigger court decides like you can't just do this but in this case that is not the understanding that like this is it this is that even within a peel like it's not going to go the NCAA's way and that's

“or is it playing yeah the timing is not great I think it's on the docket for February of 2027 that's what I saw”

so that's a little bit more after the national title games going to get play I don't think Texas is going to be in it but even still so it's all that and it's just you know the appeal I think if it goes into ameralo you know county in Texas think most of the people there who are going

to be involved in it are Texas that grads I mean keep in mind the first text the first judge who

was appointed this case in love at county Texas Tech grad who I think had 50 art had tickets on the 50 art line to all tech games and was was as a lot photographs with him doing the guns up thing you know and so he reviews himself which I think made sense this other judge's retired judge Ken Curry he didn't go to Texas Tech you know again we don't know what his relationships if he has them are with say Cody Campbell and some of the power brokers at at Texas Tech he's in Fort Worth

and now again you're sitting here looking and going okay right your mark what are you going to do about it what do you like to look man our teams are really going to say we're not playing because that has to be everyone in the big 12 has to decide to do that it can't be one team on it so I don't know like the crazy thing is Ryan I think I've been covering college sports for almost 30 years this is the most like mind boggling you know like what this happened I'm not saying

“it's like the the worst thing that's ever happened obviously Jerry Sandusky scandal you know a million”

times worse there's been a lot of horrible things but in terms of like what we know to be like the rules so you just like don't get to do this and get out from under it just you know just because you found the right judge I mean it's it's you know I got to call a little bit before we came on from pretty prominent person in the coaching community and he just was like kind of disgusted by it and this is a person who's out of he's not not an active coach and he just said to me like this

actually is like even worse for the judicial system because it just looks like a big farce and I think that's the part where it's like so kind of jaw dropping in this that I think people are just kind of like what are we doing you know like just I mean you can you can you can point to all the different ramifications whether you know players are going to be more open to bands screw the rules he got away with it I'm going to try to get away with it because he did get caught it was just

being unpunished so you know it's it's still a hard thing to kind of wrap your head around if you're like if this is kind of the world you've covered for a long time you're just like that's not how this works oh well maybe it is now so as we use attorney Jeffrey Kessler prominent said cool only evidence here is that it's a legitimate mental illness and must be treated

“recognizing such and think that I think most people again it's not a courtroom you were just”

okay that's that's awful that you're dealing with this but yeah but right so not playing yeah like everybody said you know like forget the treatment like Texas tech keep him on scholarship

it's up to Texas tech if they want to pay him the $5 million if he doesn't play in games because of

what he has done before you know I guess the question I would have is like where is the accountability here mean it just you know this is going to be down the road I'm curious how this ends up looking you know how the NFL will treat it because you know this judge may say what they're going to say but the NFL operates by you know with their collective bargaining and there's things that don't go into court cases here don't you know don't get involved with you know like

“that won't get in front of a judge and you have a guy who is admitted an anxiety like this”

bro this came up to somebody point in this out to me yesterday it's like I don't know how that's going to like help his you know help his view in the NFL's eyes down the road on this if he gets to be that far I would imagine you know based on his physical traits he will get a look but this is like such a different story than what we've had ever in college football at least and you know you can college basketball you can get some screwy things from time to time this one's

like way different than anything we've had I appreciate the timers thank you always a pleasure

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“hey guys listen to the pod for seems like 10 years now well 10 would be long we have we have been”

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I know too well growing up you guys know about these anxious ginger vibes because you know what

that sentence kind of made them ton of sense to me and I've never ever thought about it does but if

they're like a protected group I don't want to speak on it you know what I mean I get it but you know I don't think they are there's a few there's a few groups that just don't get protected and ginger is definitely one of them I feel like it's fair game I don't think fair I don't like the balls with like I knew he was going to say that it was going to say that mouth men's heights if he was short you know I know we had the short king push movement but I don't know it still feels like it's

fair game to call somebody out but it's almost like that word is flipped and it's almost like a jab now

“but I don't know short king yeah yeah I don't think it's a compliment anymore yeah I think that was a”

small spin perverted yeah yeah yeah um nice dude overall started about our guy cave south park really fucked the ginger community back in the day oh all right so to the point here Jim Stass just dumbbells in the basement whenever I get a pump going two kids and travel baseball these me about 20 minutes of freedom nowadays they say I'll miss it when it's over maybe but I do miss golfing and not reapplying SPF 70 at a field six times for double header ginger's love some SPF

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too good to not share it was first grade and my neanderthal ADHD a brain heard nothing from the

counselor explaining to our class about the program except of course banana splits being a quote big bone or what the young kids call a big back child we go with Husky around here yeah yeah I immediately shot my hand up asking if I could attend the counselor and teacher both gave me a saddened look thinking oh no this kids going through some issues I on the other hand thought I was joining exclusive club for a golfing around custom ice cream bowls I couldn't believe the only

people who wanted to join was me and this other girl from my class I figured they were just a bunch of losers it couldn't stomach 10 a.m. ice cream with their lactose intolerant bellies

first day the program runs around I had to a separate room with the counselor another classmate

we start talking about feelings of the usual mumbo jumbo 10 minutes goes by and I have to ask a question where is the ice cream and how many toppings can we pick he thought he was in like a time share pitch just waiting for his I got to do his bullshit to get my good Sunday I'm expecting a spread like Stuart's gas station where young kids can go ape shit with the toppings into you basically get diabetes they explained to me the situation and I realized I didn't join the most

exclusive club in the school but really I'm just a fat idiot who only heard two words during the counselor's intro my mom picks me up that day ready to kill me how could I put them in the spot small town everyone knows everyone now she thinks the entire school thinks her and my dad or separating I have to apologize to my teacher and counselor I probably got grounded for a week can't really remember probably PTSD that whole part of it just had to share the experience um he also

“should his pants I guess he wanted to include that in some other time I think we're good let's not”

you could have two good stories you don't have to tell them back to back if you're meeting new people you know well yeah well we're talking about shit my pants once yeah yeah and just in case I didn't know this um that is why would he get grounded though that seems harsh yeah like that seems tough this guy it's got got an early man it interesting that they like came and pitched it I don't remember that I just remember like I thought my parents were in cahoots or like somebody was like reached out

I don't know how this happened to me I was just found myself in there I thought like I've just remember being like are you got to come here now I was like for how long but yeah that's I guess they were

a lot of people get back together like that's what I'd be like hey you get like maybe I should have

gone do it and then they'd be like hey you're not eligible anymore for you're so good at it you're so good at it actually maybe need to start being a counselor here well it's funny because I was going to help them back together six great TA in banana splits hey Doug here's some crayons we're going to get started soon we're going to ask you Kyle if if you did get banana splits like that that

“does seem like false app like at least you should get the ice cream for being in this program”

that probably sounds obviously dude like dude I even checked out the website after we were done last episode is a huge banana split right on the on the mast head of the freaking website and

I don't remember any of that this is the worst market program I've ever I can't think of anything else

it shouldn't be called this it should be called your parents don't love each other anymore and it might be your fault uh rougher fifth grader but yeah okay but what's worse that processing that or no ice cream and missing a piece of lunch too come on I'm sure that's when it was for these guys you missed lunch yeah they were pulled me out of lunch for this shit oh my god yeah well what else what else I mean I was like in fourth grade or something like where are they supposed to

where do you make up your time no way dude kickball I get it yeah listen I get it hold me on English class I'm gonna be fine yeah everybody's joined but I don't know they started yelling the other night

“I think it was gonna show up miss math I did have the uh we're still a book club guy hit me up”

the other day saying that we should have banana split merch on the store I would I reply to probably I think that's a copyright issue probably yeah especially because their logo is banana split yep maybe we have Wargon on one side of the t-shirt and then a banana split in the middle and Kyle on the other side there's something to do yeah there's something to be done man fact is a wargon yesterday I got a text or garge people because I gave them I thought we

didn't want to say anything that's yeah well I know you don't want to say anything but if you think there's going to be all these like Kyle saying shirts those were all I've heard you told me you've tempered by expectations so it was just well my expectations were tempered they were like saying shirts do not work yeah except for Saturdays for the boys then everything like the positive five's only one is also everywhere but hey you know spiritual gangster I can't believe

somebody's throwing that on in twenty six and if you are and you're listening to this pod I've noticed I'm gonna put that one away now I'm a slay yeah whoa you're running bad things

“no I'm a slay feel like I don't know I still see this much anymore I think the first guy”

that threw on the spiritual gangster shirt like yeah probably you've got a couple of shuttles go to if you tell you what they mean maybe made it a false I did it's not twenty twenty six I can tell you that it's not it was it the nineties I don't even yeah no it's gonna run for a bit that's all all right great email man great email yeah hmm get a lot of it am I a dick just like four in a row okay

alright how about this one hey fellas forty seven six foot two twenty best comp Jamal Mosley is a player go buffs wow I can't believe the pelicans hired Bay Area guys spent my royal day weekend on the Russian river just outside of a town called Gernville I don't know this area at all Russian river though I'm going to big Russian deep dive lately maybe just communism in general I don't think I'll become a communist but I'm reading

about it a lot lately alright Gernville has always been famous Chagovara tough parent

tough parent first born what are you doing get into the right schools teacher or skill cooking now I'm going to join a revolution might be dead send forward my mail to my parents in Argentina just shape a very very serious young man speak to t-shirts do that lot of people walk around with a chagovara t-shirt not an awesome parent early on you know priorities we're not about raising his child alright so Russian river Gernville's always been famous for it's kind of a

culture vibe and there's a great flea market outside the Gernville safeway where you can generally find good Hawaiian shirts the going rate this year was three for $20 that's a good score best score this year was a white shirt was some blue and black pineapples on it I just thought hey this pineapples shirt totally fits my beer belly Jimmy Buffett dad vibe the shirt's made

in the music has started getting comments from men and women about swinging I guess upside down

“pineapples are assigned you're down to swing I kept telling people I bought out of flea market”

in Gernville this seemed to validate their query look this email isn't about swinging who cares but more about the shirt the question isn't today's world of a guy wears a shirt with pineapples on it is it just assumed that the guy is looking to pick up some swinging friends or can I just wear shirt with some pineapples on it for the sake of being a fun guy and he sent me to shirt and it looks like a fun shirt I'd say the pineapples are not all upside down I thought I was going to ask

they cover every single direction yeah there's blue ones great ones some standard buttons I don't see anything wrong with the shirt there are some guys that will they will look for

something like that like when even like most people wouldn't they wouldn't give you a hard time

about it all wouldn't even cross their mind there are some guys that are just like this is what I'm doing today that's a fact because there was a whole a push about like girls and teenage girls wearing pineapple my cousin was like be a pineapple stretched to the sky like it was a it was a a theme of clothing yeah it was like a theme of club be like hard on the outside sweet on the and so I'm like it was just like one of those things it was like a teacher sort of like this one was this

you did I don't know I you weren't you were keeping up with your younger cousins I guess but I guess about how keeping track that was a whole it was definitely I don't know it was a vibe of shirt I think and like you know you go to Ross or Marshalls and you find like little pineapple

things that you're supposed to put on your dresser and shit that's the spruce up the place you

know what I mean it's like some fake gold painted thing it's just a fact it is a big thing

“that's not the only thing it means and certainly in the Hawaiian shirt community it's probably a”

huge portion of that demographic so yeah there are some dudes that are really going to look forward to that you know like when when some when I was in middle school I think with dudes we're getting two earrings instead of just one earring it was like well you know left means you're straight but you got one and you're right too and it's just like come on why you so you've decided to you've decided to make this a problem so I think that that probably carries over

to dudes talking about pineapple some of them are upside-down and some of them are facing the only weird sweatpants on my left arm because of that exact thing just didn't know it crossed over you know I was like I'm just gonna just say good no you know abundance of caution yeah you're just gonna get your right there yeah no that that through that that brought me back out I yeah I kind of forgot about that I wasn't really in the ear piercing mode but I will say to

saying those kids grew up and they're still out there talking about pineapple's on your shirt right two things one pineapple shirt guy that guy's usually probably down for a lot of things though so I mean I would guess I would guess that like a day cigar usually you're a good time or your you know you got you're just a little different if you're rocking a pineapple shirt regularly the other thing would be this for the swing or crowd like I'm sure like any pineapple thing they're just like it's like you

know flies to a light they're just immediately attracted to it be like is this one of us you want

“what what's going on here so you know it could be obviously misunderstanding I think you still wear the”

shirt it's kind of funny maybe you like the attention too it could be kind of funny but I if if you like the shirt do your thing do you play dumb if you like to shirt that much play dumb like I don't know what you're talking about explain it to me I feel like the pineapple thing is so well known that the swingers have moved on to some other identifying object and we just don't know it had yeah you would think like the pineapple thing people have been talking about for years you know

put some lawn decoration out there sips on pineapple and everybody I don't know what that means like just supposed to show up and like I saw the pineapple outside this is dip I wonder if they've moved on to something else but the sounds of it like from your bio and how much of it you went to high school battle the bands you know you're not by any markets the rushing river I mean it sounds like you're you know you described your physique your ability you're about 20 like yeah

you're you're 30 not just at a flea market but why would you be it sounds like this is a real conversation starter so maybe you're not in that world but it sounds like you'd be down for just talking about it for 10 minutes so it might be a great icebreaker for you yeah I'd say don't back down on that shirt yeah that I don't know you could just say like for other symbols and things outside I'm upside-down pineapple is one black ring is apparently another

one often silicone or on your the right hand ring finger right hard on this I'm just going to start wearing it see what happens did call it for us colored loophus yeah colored loophus how what do you want to have access to them in some communities or campgrounds color coded loop is hung on RVs or bags indicate specific interests yeah the black ring thing is so not true because dudes who lift have those on all time unless I didn't even realize it all my lifting

that one's going to offer I think in the last like 15 years guys who've had gold wedding

“bands but have been married for a while like yeah I just need to change and they get like a”

titanium one or a black one that's right my dad's been up to titanium like five years ago I'm like what the hell man what are you doing he's like I just like it heavier the rubber ring thing a bunch of people just started loving to do that because it was like a different thing to do because it was like oh I'm so active that I'm going to go this way so I don't know and as somebody says it to you in your community it's like hey what's up with the shirt man you

just go like do you want to do your wife yeah good jump back yeah all right speaking of relationships we're going to die here that divorcing a 38 want to keep this confidential don't worry man 510 165 38 years old max bench 2015 run three miles three times a week I don't deadlift anymore because of back problems basketball comp all peers shit my pants man what is with the emails today one time a lot more like than you think went down tore my ace it went

down like I tore my ACL can understand limped off the court to the locker and throw away underwear here's my situation I'm getting divorced after being in a relationship married the same person for the past 20 years little quick math tells us they've been together since they were 18 wow this is like Truman stepping outside of the set right things ever known yeah so much to learn good afternoon it's on it's unfortunate but had to happen

a reconcilable differences thankfully we didn't have any children all right anyway your boys been out of the dating game for a long time once this thing gets finalized the next few months I'm planning on getting on the apps and getting back out there since I'm just getting out of such a long relationship I'm not planning on jumping immediately back in any long-term commitment but wanted data around and see what's out there my question is how do I play the field

respectfully I never really did this when I was younger I may have hooked up with a couple

people randomly in college and closed succession but I've never seriously pursued data that multiple people at the same time I know on the first date no one thinks anything is exclusive but at what point when you think there might be a spark there and want to go in a second or third

“date with someone do you need to start worrying about other dates you have lined up dude I'm”

going to tell you right now don't worry about any of any of this stuff just get out there get the reps in my thought is do you even have to get on the dating apps if you've been married and like you guys got couples and friends and you know people that you've known for a long time you know isn't there someone who'd like to do that got someone perfect for you like isn't there anyone even like as being another person and not being like no you don't think so I think he's 38 he's

young enough he's been in hibernation for 20 years I want this guy to experience all the highly strange all the failures I want him I want him like seriously I want him like rocky running through the Siberian forest yeah I want him on everything sure it's off right I he needs just getting a pineapple shirt because a lot of it's not going to go great like if you're already emailing us being like hey when are we exclusive dude all of those instincts just throw them out the back door

show up be nice listen just listen yeah wait till somebody bothers you about exlifest yeah exclusive even when you're not he just he just he's just like I want to two ways because he could either be like hey just like I'm going to fire on everything that moves and I don't care because it's been so long or it's like I've been so out of the game but I don't

“even know what to do anymore well sick that he's 38 and not like 58 that's what I mean yeah he's”

probably has just so much he has so much he's about to beat real dudes with care less than the 30 year old right he's talking yeah but then they end up like getting exposed on Instagram like look with this creepy old man yeah he's got his wits about him I think I want this guy like Aaron Brooks when a team is tanking like hey this entire half is yours you know he just should be like

you've got to refine a skill that may never really ever develop because college isn't a real place

what should be reasonable to divulge to a person you want to go in a second or third date with about the other women that you may have a date lined up with should there be a limit to the number different people you've set dates up to with any of the three any other general thoughts welcome I don't know I think you just keep that really vague not let the like that if first if someone's asking that question master-pred flag probably don't even want to be on a second date with that if

on the first date they're like hey how many days have you been on what's going on what's the situation you're like all right maybe this isn't going to go forward like if you're five dates in and you want to figure this out fine but I don't think these are the kind of normal first date

you know yeah yeah I don't I just know like it's going to be awkward for you and if you can

already accept that whatever it takes like you just this is a massive breakup it's somebody you've been with since you were 18 years old and you married this person so it's all you kind of know college doesn't count because it's fake there's some of the worst game in the world is getting ordered during those years okay so um I think you're just going to have to like go through it if you can go into it realizing I'm probably not meeting somebody right away right not to close

the door mentally to it uh let me just get to know some people out here zero expectations I'm not

going to be worried about any of this stuff and you'll have some great moments and you'll have a

bunch of learning experience you're probably going to have some disappointments you're probably going to regret some of the stuff that you did and how you handle it there should be some

“calm in you knowing that all of that is on the table and that's how you should look at it you”

shouldn't be putting any kind of pressure on yourself whatsoever you shouldn't be asking this kind of question of like what are the rules and that's probably the best way to go into this the only expectation is that it's it's you to have no I don't know I mean I'm not trying to sound like clever by saying the only expectations have no expectations but that's kind of the only thing when I started playing golf like I wasn't the I was count how many balls I lost I just started keeping

score like a year ago you know like just fucking get out there and enjoy it's nice outside don't buy a range finder but the hell you don't even know what you're doing it does sound a little bit like our guy is uh like he's looking immediately to be dating someone right

“I don't know so I don't know so I think he's like working out of Shawshank. I'm not sure”

that he is looking to date so when I think he's just like I don't know the fucking rules man could you guys help me? Yeah well this is an awful group task I think to me honestly yeah actually uniquely awful uniquely awful for a bunch of different reasons. What if you just said like I got to love Jones for body and just skin tones five minutes alone I'm hurting on the bone both that for up you ain't just no need to show around you got the good shit at home. Oh okay there we go

I've new Kyle we get it eventually G G G G unit different group but yeah I just whatever I think of Kyle I think of G unit and obviously we see you actually they could work

it out there yeah I know method man was not affiliated but I just I knew Kyle we'd get it after the third line

doing I Kevin Gates why had two phones? What did I? Do you know why Kevin Gates had two phones Kyle? No I was a huge Kevin Gates blind spot. He said it so you're so bummed out to say it that way he's almost he freaks me out a little bit I don't know that's fair I think that's really kind of a little bit. It's like what somebody comes up to me it's like can you believe that Eastern Africa I'm like you know what actually I can't believe it I don't know I haven't read a lot

about that region now and then their fucking disappointed at the gym be like you haven't read about Sri Lanka and I'm like no I haven't so I get it I'm sorry I threw that Kevin Gates. No it's all right I'll be honest every time

“that's what I love about you I'm not gonna quote method man again all right that'll do it for the show”

who's the new guy who's yeah yeah Tom's Tom's still on the couch off. Yeah I think I can say that because I was just on I love that show so anyway check out drop a pin with one chaps all right Kevin Kyle and Serity that'll do it for us today we'll be back on Thursday yeah right and then yeah we're just going to follow the game so we're going to let's see while it's coming up on Thursday. Look at the smile on Serity's face now it's good it's fun and for those that are politically motivated to respond you know

maybe James Edwards wasn't thrilled before he's seven being an attendants Alexi Wallace we're going to balance it out come out let's sit out for you a little bit right both parties will be observed your passions I don't do it for the show right we're still up personal sports