The NFL Contenders Preview w/ Nate Tice

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into this first podcast with a huge announcement. He is Nate Tyson. We are huge fans of her such

big fans. Nate is going to join us throughout the football season every single Monday. He also loves Saturday. Probably as much as I do as well. But for today's purposes from Yahoo Sports and football 301, Nate joins us for a little preview. Good to see you. And thanks so much. You're being part of the show this season. Oh, no. Thanks for having me. I'm fired up. I agree with you.

“I mean, I'm excited for every football season. I think every red blooded American male is”

excited for the football season. But this year, college and pro vary wide open, vary wide open, which even though we have some teams that are a little bit favorite, I think that's going to make it really, really fun to talk about throughout this year. A lot of absent flows, a lot of good storylines this year. Yeah. So the purposes of this, we're not going to go through all 32 teams. But I think looking at playoff odds and then again, some of the projection stuff that it's like

win the Super Bowl or make the playoffs. And then the teams can get kind of scattered. Let's just see how much we agree on or not here. It feels like the Rams with the way they've loaded up on this defense. Maybe they're on their own. I mean, it's not really the way this league works. Do you include Baltimore in the group with Seattle and Buffalo? If you had asked me, I think there are half tier below those two, but they're the favorites in the AFC if that makes sense or I have one

other team I would like to include here too, and they have saved. But I actually, we just did our AFC North Preview as my last one we did on football three one today. And going into it, I was a little bit,

“I was like, oh no, I think the ravers are good. I really respect Jesse Mentor and I think he's a really”

good game planner and play caller, which is something interesting. Like the O.C. They hired or at least interesting what they might do in Declan Doyle. I liked the old line coach for everyone getting like to talk. So we're reports of a team. But after doing that, all the research all prep, I became more bullish as that. Yes, I do think of them as one of the class. I don't know if I- Okay, but you just let me just gently call fire. The team I would say I have slightly above

them in the AFC is the Texans, because of just where I think the how will lead their defense might be and where the offense improvement can be that I think that's a- in this AFC that formula could really work from this year, but we could talk about this a little bit. Okay, so if you look at some of this stuff, if you just went, hey, it's Rams, it's Seattle, it's Buffalo, but it sounds like you don't even have Buffalo ahead of Baltimore or Houston, I don't based on like- and has that

changed in the last week? No, I- no, it's just that I think they more questions and I think Josh Allen

parts around them change a little bit. I like some of the stuff that they're doing. I think we're going to try to do with the DJ more trade. They're going to have a great run game, the only offense alignment that they're changing is that left guard, and so they have an options there,

“but defensively I actually do really like Jim Leonard, and I think that's a really nice addition.”

I just don't know if they have the horses yet to carry them to that. So I think they are a playoff ish team, a good one, because they have Josh Allen, they have one of the dudes, and I think the defense is going to be interesting this year, but I think they're in offseason away from getting that defense up to contender, you know, to that tier. I think they're more playoff team than contender tier. Okay. I kind of want to go through some of these teams with a little bit more

depth. Let's at least start with the ramps, because as of this morning too, like if you're a

raiseman's fan, you're going like, hey, what's the question? I think they have the second best

odds to make the playoffs behind the ramps in the NFL as of this morning of this taping. I'm sure you can probably find a number somewhere else. I've seen him fourth. I've seen him second. Some people have him behind Buffalo, but it feels like whether it's the ramps, Seattle with that respect and whatever team that you want to put in there. That middle, that middle, whether it's 10 teams, whether it's 15 teams, it just seems so deep. What you can't even learn our lesson here with

injuries, if we get going, how can we thought they were good? But if we look at the ramps, I look, what they did this offseason to load up in the secondary, and then to add Miles Garrett in a trade for a really good player, Jared verse, the piece of the area he had in place with Byron Yung and Kobe Turner who had fantastic, and the fact that Aaron Donald is looming here, they must have been so pissed off. They did not get off the field in the fourth quarter against

Seattle. They were like, whatever happens this year, that will never happen again. We will get off

the field and get the ball back to our offense, and that feels like, you know, with Stafford, I just, I love what this team has done to add to what is already in place.

“They, the biggest weaknesses of this defense, it actually crucial other defensive coordinator. Obviously”

recognize the last name, but him actually has a play color. It really impressed me too, too. Yeah, I've never met him. I know some shoelaces, some parts of the tree, but not him. I know his uncle a little bit, but he is, he is really risen in my head or my, like, how I hold him and how how I regard him as a play color and everything, because what he had to work with about two years ago with all these, this young defense, a lot of day three picks, undrafted guys,

and they're doing some funky stuff that was interesting. Then last year, they were a top 10 defense most of the year, but then tapered off, like you pointed at it, it was the things that got him in the end,

and the teams that did damage this defense were teams with big receivers that can just dunk on

and run in breakers, because they're trying out a manual forves and Kobe Durant who are playing well and really aware because the defensive scheme was so good, but they just got, as my old friend Charles McDonald would say, out, out blue chip. That's just what happened. They just got blue chip. The five star, you know, Pook and Iku is dunking on. I'm sorry, with the, with the CX,

“have that, they're dunking on them. The guys, tetrahomic mill on a jail of coke or dunking on them.”

So those guys are just outsizing them. So what are we going to get? Tremic Duffy, who can place? You're saying, like, hey, look at the matchups with those elite guys out there. They just knew, hey, we have to overhaul this entire thing. That's it. They said, okay, look at the NFC. All right, the other team I hold in high esteem this year or this offseason, the Cowboys. Look at their receivers. So the teams are at the elite passing attacks are explosive. The teams that we

might have to face in playoffs are explosive. And they have big dudes. You look at the NFC North. Look at the guys that they have. They could trot out. So you just look at these teams that they might have to go against and they might have to match up against. They have a size at you. So McDuffy's not the biggest, but he plays very physical. He's one of the most aware corners to complete inside an outside, which is really cool because, again, Shua likes to be very versatile, run dime,

run a lot of 60B stuff. And then on top of it, even if they didn't do McDuffy and they just got Watson, I'm like, that's that's a nice upgrade. That's a, that's a good pick. He fits your defense. But then they got McDuffy. And then they did miles Gary. You know, just the help, you know, that was just the cherry on top. They had a good pass for a Shua yesterday. And they had funky blitzes and good game plants stuff. And now they just get a guy that's an ace. So it's really it's father time and

special teams are the things that I look at as the Rams as the things that Domino's that could like go not their way. Between Turner, young and Garrett, that's 227 pressures from that group. And then it's like, oh, hey, Aaron Donald's also going to play. And like the worst version of him probably still double team half the snaps throughout the world. Although, I know they have, I can't believe it. They have a whole bunch of guys that they've, they're five deep.

By our young, I'm glad you brought him up. He's like an underrated player. Like he's a good player. He shows up every time. Every time you watch them, you're like, oh, he's in again, you know, but it's just go ahead. Oh, no, no, no, no, I was totally agree with you. Yeah, run pass all that stuff, drops into coverage form. No, it's, it's the, their biggest weakness is linebacker, which is actually a lot of teams, because a lot of teams value that. And that's kind of that they've done it before

and it's part of their ethos. So, but they know how ways to mitigate that. We'll just get into dying. And we have a bunch of guys that can play in the slot. A bunch of guys that are good blitzers, they have three safety's that they can try out out there. So, it's funky looks. And it's got,

It's really funny that you said that up at the linebackers because I went through and I'm looking at everybody's grades and I'm looking at all the unit rankings for every single position in the entire time and then you're just going like, how many linebackers do I actually like? Like, there's all these contenders. Although there's some options, offensive line questions that we're going to get to with some of these tenders too. There's like a pocket of like, God, those are kind of bad offensive lines,

which, again, we have more time on, but you're just going through the linebacker rankings. You go through every unit, it'll be like top seven, top six, top four, and then it's like linebackers

24th. You go, who cares? And it's a bit like the first basement in baseball, where it's like,

hey, the first basement still in athlete. You're like, yes, but by rule out of the four infield positions, one infield position has to be the least athletic. Okay. And it's not shortstop. It's not second. And it's definitely not third. It's you, man. It's you, first space. No one's shitting on you. And I, like, this is a rant based on like this first basement was going,

“oh, everybody thinks we stay. We're like, no one's saying all of you can't move. But guess what?”

Right. No first basement go to third base unless it's like a free agent signing. It's like, hey, I got old. Let me go play shortstop. Yes, technically you come up with somebody went from first to third based on needs, but you get the point. All right. That baseball hybrid rant over. I love it. Let's, let's rip this out here because when you're looking at like all three levels, and then you want to talk about a linebacker group here, Seattle D line linebacker secondary. I think

really only Houston could probably compare maybe you could throw Baltimore in there. But again, is what we pretrust us Ravensians. We have more on them. It's probably like a D line carousel of names for the Ravens there and what they're going to try to piece here together. But this Seattle defense, this unit, you know, we still don't know like great year from Darnold. The receivers terrific, the offensive lines probably average, but this unit defensively, it's just so nasty and

even losing Muffet, it just doesn't seem like they're going to miss a beat here at all. Yeah, recoil on Muffet, that's it, but they have contingency plans. They have really, it is DB depth, which is, you know, champagne problems when defensive back depth is your issue, not a starter. And even though what I would usually say, because Ernest Jones is really important to this defense, he's not like an ace, he's not an all star, but him and actually the Texas defense,

which you just brought up to, it's like, as these outshare. If these guys were not on the field, it's like, you're a little scared. They kind of just, they're the rug that ties the room together. And with Jones, what makes me feel a little bit better with this defense, they played a lot of dime, another team that played a lot of dime, played a lot of nickel, everyone talked about,

“he man worry's been a little banged up, but that's why you signed Devon with his spoon,”

just like McDuffie, he can play in the slot, he can play in the outside, he's the dynamo either way, but they have other guys that, it makes me feel a little bit better. They had their second round pick, but Clark got hurt, but I'm bringing this up with the linebackers is two of their linebackers increases and it played really well. Also speaks to the coaching, I'm like McDonald's that, like,

these guys that have never really put it together, chastirot and another guy, um, Chris Paul,

but he goes, he goes by a different name, Pupal. He goes by Pup. But both of these guys, well, that's smart, that's just different. Yeah, works phenomenal. Um, and why the, again, why I'm bringing that up is if you have depth of linebacker, makes me feel a little better at what was the weakness, but it might change the personnel that they might play, like they might lean into something different a little bit this year, but again, I'm not talking about stuff that's crippling. I'm talking about

interesting pivots, um, things that might be just like a little bit okay rather than the best defense that the third best defense, you know, something of that sort. But up front, that's the strength. That, that's the misconception of all those two high defenses. Everyone's focused on the DBs. I just started with the DBs, but it starts up front. You can play light boxes if you have a bunch of head, you know, head bashers up front, and they do. They have every type you want. They have a

bendy guy. They have the Marcus Lawrence, Leonard Williams, Byron Murphy, all these guys are a different archetype, and it's really cool how they just, uh, Mike McDonald just implements them and uses them.

“So, yeah, awesome defense. That's how they're built. And then offense is built on explosives. And that's,”

if I had a question with this team, it's how more efficient they can be. They've been very explosive, but I actually came away from my preview series coming with feeling a little bit better about their

offense than I thought going in, um, auxiliary parts that they've had, or kind of maybe second year

guys that they have, a full year of received sheeed, um, they're very high engineering prints, uh, probably some sorry they're first round pick, even with the sharpening injury and everything, and that's, it's a run, it's a zone run scheme, it's a shenanigans scheme. So it's gonna lift up the old line and make the run a back look good, and if the run a back's pretty good, get a nice little boost there as well. So, uh, again, old line, center and right guard is probably the weakness, it was the

weakness last year. And it didn't really matter in the end. So that's how I look at this team and just maybe a little defensive death, but it's their up there, they're the number two team to me, or one B is how I really look at them. Yeah, you could argue too with the personnel, maybe other than the right guard on the offensive line, like maybe it just gets a little bit better. And I'm with you, you know, Walker is such an unsung hero of that 25 run, you know, some toughness, some balance

know way more about if he wasn't playing behind me to the best player in college football last year. So, uh, I hate when it feels like a desperate need thing. I definitely hate when it's like first round running back thing where the arms will draft and go, if we desperately, you can just see it every year where you're like, you desperately needed somebody at this position. I don't know that I'd

want to, I probably just always want to draft an extra offensive line or a corner if I just

“put this in there. Throw numbers at it. Yeah. Yeah. That's how you build it, or another master”

officer, just screw it. Throw another one in there. Yeah. But um, no, they're, they're high on the reports are good on them. They, I liked him coming out. I wouldn't say I loved them. I thought, you know, I had him like in the 40s on my big board. Yada Yada, this draft class was just so after picked 20. It was just like, whatever you want. He has sure, you know, candy for dinner, you know, whatever you want. But yeah, that's kind of how that felt. But we just talked about the

line kind of, you know, I agree the right guard is the weakness, the gray Zable though, the left guard is like a star. And, and that's what I mean, like, there's a version of this, we're actually gets better than better. What would you say? It's like above average unit last year and they went to Super Bowl. Yep, above average. And help by scheme. You know, I would take this online over the 49ers online. I would take them over, you know, a good deal of offensive lines. It's not

the sexiest ones, not top 10, but Trolls, Trolls, Cross is a good left tackle. Gray's able is a good left guard and Abe Lucas is a good right tackle. Now, a lot of teams have that. And again, like I said, the scheme helps. Yeah. I mean, if we're running, it looks, he rattles in the group with, with LA, you know, I wouldn't put him in the Jacksonville group, I wouldn't put him necessarily maybe in the Houston group, maybe you would put him in the Houston

“group, who gets all these teams here. But I think let's do more on Baltimore here because, yeah,”

this is another one of those teams. And I'd say there's about a handful and some of them that I just mentioned were offensive line. You go, okay, probably not a strength. Receiving group, you know, Andrews, I expect to be fine. You could argue there's a dip there. I like Zay. People can make fun of the contract. I'd rather get in front of it, or the market is reset at the end, a little bit later on. Yeah. So I'm not going to get mad at a team for overpaying early as opposed to

then having to fix it later when the cap goes up, which is as much as it does every single year. It's clear that it feels like they want to try to reinvent themselves with like the Mike McDonald thing where it's like, wow, close. Can we get back to the guy that then went somewhere else and want to Super Bowl? Well, let's bring in Jesse Minner, who coach with McDonald from 17 to 20, let's go back to that defensive stuff. All of our guys will like it. Look, there is a version of this,

where it all comes together. But whether it's all the D line names that I kind of like, but you're like, what's the rotation going to be at these eight or nine dudes? And it's also where they spent a top traffic on Zayon. I think there's a lot of rounding up. Again, this is talking

about the Ravens in the odds. This I couldn't believe it. Second best odds to make the playoffs

behind the ramps. And so if you're telling me that Ravens can win the Super Bowl, I think your talking best case scenario on four or five issues that other teams don't have. Right. I really like the Ravens, but I didn't consider them. I can believe even till we talked about how they were, how I started doing the research and saw how they stacked up. The defense, I'll start with the defense. Because like, Minter has earned my respect from Michigan and then to the last two years with the

chargers that that national title run with Michigan was like, child's play. Like what he was doing to opposing college offices, like just what he was scheming up, how good he made everybody look. And then he goes to the chargers. And this is something when I was doing the chargers preview before I got to the Ravens preview. I, you know, looking at Chris O'Leary, the new defense coordinator for the chargers, doing a research on him. And I kind of was like, I don't know how to weigh this.

How much Minter was helping this defensive personnel or how good the defensive personnel is for the

“chargers. Like that's why I was trying to weigh. That's how good Minter is that I hadn't even”

questioning like how good are these guys or is it just how good the scheme was? Like one of the biggest weaknesses this I like how well versed the db's and the linebackers were for the chargers. The weakness of the chargers defense last two years was scramble's because db's were so looking at routes and the route concepts and the combos and their zone coverage is known was looking at the quarterback. So that, but that's how well in tune and locked in their db's and everything were.

So no one looked at the quarterback. It's kind of a weird byproduct of being too tuned in. Why don't bring that all up? Ravens have much better personnel. They have a great that they have a really interesting db room. Nate Wiggins is coming back from his injury now, but I mean Hamilton's stars are great fits for this defense. You got several guys that can blitz and I think Minter is going to blitz a little bit more than he did with the chargers. He's big on those creepers simulated

pressures which are you only bring four but drop seven but you're kind of making it look like a blitz. And then get him at a bk's back is huge. He was big because two games last year thought he might be done first career done done. I thought he was retiring. I heard after I thought he was done done.

I was like okay, you're never considering you again. So him back, but even just the Hendrickson

thing, Tray Hendrickson bringing him in, the weakness of that Ravens defense the last few years is they couldn't really create pressure. Last year at 27th of pressure rate, 24th of knockdown rate

which I'll talk about a couple other teams, that's the great equalizer. It's a pass rush. Hendrickson's bad against the run outright bad but we have a bunch of guys that are good against the run. So just go baby. Like, pin your ears back and go, that has me feeling a little bit better about where they're sitting as opposed to maybe I was maybe a couple months ago. Like, they're the math of them, the variables are kind of coming together for me defense. I'm worried about the

old line. They switch out both guards including a first round draft. Okay, so maybe that's better.

I'm worried about the depth after say I imagine Andrews is still be fine even if you're arguing with his declining because the numbers tell you that he is. I'm worried about Lamar without the rushing element being this holy shit. What are we going to do? And that was a massive

“drop off. Maybe that's fine. I'm also worried about I think the D line gets figured out because”

of the possibilities that they have. I think get linebacker, rollquon Smith's going to be much happier playing in the system. I'd also say that Marlon Humphrey, like some of the numbers now scare the shit out of me. He's the only corner that gave up over 900 yards of production. Wiggins gets targeted almost as much as Riley Moss, where I don't know if Riley Moss gets targeted because it's her tan or because he's white, but like, let's face it. Yeah, I mean tough combo right there

if you're corner play. Yeah, he's not a linebacker. It's sort of over there. I think that's because

he's white that dead series. Riley Moss is good. It's a good. He's legit. He's good. No one's close on the other side of it. Wait, you think those are the two best corners and in the end, if that's the best corner pairing. Them and Texans, Texans are real good too. Yeah, no, those two. Yeah, I would say those are top two. I mean, that's still in the mix. Who's that? Who just say, Philly? Philly's weird because the jeans is just locked. So it's, you know, I know I'm not

counting him. I'm talking about, you're talking about the lead one. Yeah, and then calm. No, because I would have Moss. Yeah, Sir Tan's better than Quinn. Yeah, I love Quinn. Yeah, and I think it's all pro last year. And so Tan is, once you really get attention to it. Yeah, and I know that like technically he created behind maybe one or two guy. I don't know how he's great. Yeah, he's, I think his cars are everything like pure. I made the mistake of thinking like some other guys right at his level. We were

doing our top five stuff with him and then this year I just went and you could again say this year actually wasn't as good as the gear previous. It's fucking stupid how he tracks like the route and looks like he's not even in on it. Deon type shit. It is and he, yeah, he could, yeah, Deon type shit is the how he accelerates like he'll kind of bait stuff baits you in. Yeah, he baits you in on crossing routes. He baits guys on crossing routes all the time. No, and he tackles.

I know that's, I know that sounds like a little gritty coach. No, he's physical tackler. No, he was an unbelievable prospect, but it's like he's exactly what you expect when he looks like the prototype huge coach by Nick Sabin and his dad was a proble corner. It's like,

“oh, that's, that's exactly what you should look like. That's how he plays. But no,”

shetans won the best knock quarterbacks in the league and won the best corners I've ever seen. But Moss, Moss, I think was literally the most targeted corner in the NFL last year. I have the number is the most targeted and then I saw a number somewhere else that there was like one of three that were targeted over a hundred times. When you watch Denver, you can't believe he wasn't targeted 200 times. And he's, he's the guy, he's like a, I know there's highlights against where he's

getting dunked on or he has a penalty or anything. But it's like a guy getting dunked on a basketball. It's like, yeah, I know he got dunked on, but he also blocked three. Like, that's the issue that he gets targeted so much. Everyone remembers some of the lowlights. It's like, there's a lot of good there. He just gets targeted a lot. No, he, no, yeah, we love going to talk about that a little bit, but he even just talking about these guys, you know, talking about even, which is the Ravens,

go back to Ravens offense real quick. Whose point center is a big question? The right guard, Vega, I on A, they drafted from Penn State. I liked those struggles in preseason. I noticed, but that's fine. He's a rookie record. I did like the Simpson edition. And then, yeah, they're relying a lot on rookie receivers to stand out or rookie tight end as well. That's a big variable. And while Jacoby Lane, like, tore it up for a couple of weeks in preseason, he's kind of

come back to earth a little bit. And Elijah Strauss kind of been up and down. I like Strauss is like what I call a power slot, kind of like an oversized slot guy that can block and kind of do some tight end stuff. So I want to see what that. But if Lane is decent, that's a archetype,

Lamar is never really worked with, they kind of ball when they, they try to like,

old, man, deandry Hopkins, but I've like a ball winner. So that's kind of like one of those things where I'm like, kind of, that could be interesting, but it's a big question mark. Yeah, a third and fourth round pick that half to play in a passing offense at last year was 27. The passing yards per game and a defense that was in the middle of the pack last year. So a lot has to be fixed here for me to look at them as the second best odds. And look, it's, it's not

“just because they have an easier schedule. I think it's 9/10 depending on what you want to look at”

there. I'm a little surprised in some of those numbers, not to say they can't go on a run and put it together. Lamar's back in MP level. Let's pivot. Oh, sorry. Let's stay less on that. I just want to throw this in there is the Lamar running. I'm quick when my transitions, I'm sorry. It's the radio guy and me. And I just go long. And I've all only done podcasts for, with on limited time.

designer on its twice a game. And when it was 2019, it was seven and a half a game. And the

“yardage went down five yards a game to 26 last year. And they know that, this is next version of Lamar.”

It's, they're going to be under center more. And he's pretty good on your center. And he's done, he can do some play action stuff off it. He throws digrots, like really well. All those, then in Declan Doyle and Ben Johnson had a, he, those middle, over the middle throw from Kale Williams since 2013, Lamar's thrown over the middle of the fifth highest rate among all quarterbacks that played. So it's not something they have to e-gout. So there is some like stuff that

works that, yeah, we're going to go under center. We're not going to use Lamar's legs as much. And I actually think Lamar has some positives there. But it's the math. The run game has to pick back up because we're going to lose that element of the game. And that's the thing that dropped off more than anything last year. That was the worst run game Lamar's had as far as running backgrounds. It was last year. They were like, I used success rate there at 35% last year. To those 19,

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it's a conversation because I like to name more than next. It's funny McShane. I were talking about next going. It's really hard to unsee the Auburn stuff and it's something I have to get over. We have to get over that because it's pretty clear of Will Stein puts together that season that he does with him in Oregon and then Sean Payton's like this is the guy that I want and will be fine if they have Nick's who knows elements, playoffs, all that kind of stuff. They

probably win that game against New England. It certainly would be a lot better chance with Nick's and some of the stuff that he did coming back and not it being here. It's did him and they were still in this game. Maybe it's the weather and game planning here. But when I compare units here, I don't even think it's close between New England and Denver. Overall, no. There's death, no.

“I think I'm very bullish on the Patriots offense. I will say that. But I think the Broncos offense”

was not, it wasn't great last year, but it was still average and they did the, they added the one two pieces. I'll go two here with two pieces that they desperately needed, which was speed at receiver. A guy, a legit guy, then take top off, come down with the ball down the field and create, yeah, because that in water, right? Yep, in water. Because Bo next can be a little bit. He's kind of can be, I'll talk more about Bo next. He's led the league in past temps for a reason.

They use a lot of RPOs on second down. They use a lot of underneath stuff there, basically extended screens. So let's get a guy that can add some juice to those outside of Marvin Men. So I actually liked that and also the fit in the receiver room is great because they already have a bunch of horses, like they already have sudden, I like this guy Patrick Bryant that they have. He's a second year guy. He can be what I call those power slot guys, but he works perfect, he can work perfect

with water. They look huge when the receivers line up against the push on. He's always going to have

“monsters every savior. That's what he goes for. It's something after my own heart. But he said he”

got it from Mike Shanahan when he was like, watching the old Broncos teams and he was just like, I want that. It was like, I like that, too. Yeah. But the other guy is Jonah Coleman, the fourth round runback from Washington. JK Dombs is a nice solid player, but he can't rely on JK Dombs to be healthy. They drafted RJ Harvey last year. Harvey ran like an X quarterback and that what I mean is like some division was lacking. Bounce a lot of runs. He's fine, but he's an auxiliary piece. He's not a

guy you want with an in games that you need 15 hard runs. He's not that guy. If they have an old line built that way and they have a scheme built that way and Coleman fits that scheme and he can plan

pass passing down as well and the coaches won't shut up about them, which is always like, all right,

We love him. We only need to see two plays in a preseason. We were good. So yeah, I'm with you. I'm

“I don't think this is a elite offense, but it's an offense that is I actually think of big”

improvement on last year and I had some qualms of last year's offense. So even a bonus plays exactly the same. The pieces around him got that much better that I feel much better about it. Yeah, and this is all built around the best offensive line in the NFL. All the guys are coming back. The tackles are awesome. The defensive line is awesome. There's pressure numbers all over the place. Like they win. Whenever you look at that stuff on the SPN, I love that like pass block,

win rate, run block, win rate, pass rush, run stop, win rate. It's just like Denver across the board. And if you have that right, bonus doesn't have to be patched with homes. Although I'll give it to next. Like as much as I was just kind of like, I don't know, this feels like a guy you're going to be replacing. Maybe Peyton's like a quarterback slot. He just likes all of them because he's like, I can make it

work with every single one of these guys. Yeah. Yeah, it's some stats that work. I know he's it's always

last call. Well, that's called the bar for for Sean Payton with a quarterback says like, yeah, good enough. Yeah, I like that. That's kind of what he's done with quarterback. I can take a breakfast. Yeah. All right. So if we're if we're looking at New England here, it's just hard to

“get past like there's a parallel here. I think between Chicago and New England, where I think”

both teams could be better. Both quarterbacks can be better. And they're not going to have it's good of a record and they're not going to have, look, the bears win one playoff game. The other game was a lot of fun. You know, we're going to get to Chicago here. Don't worry. But at the end of the year, it may feel like you're worse and you actually may be better. And that's kind of how I look at the paths. Let's start there. That's exactly how I look at both those teams. Yeah, and the Patriots.

I, I think they've done a great job, but they did soft season with the offense, whether it's online, AJ Brown, even if they just did Romeo Dobbs, I would have been happy with the improvement for then they got AJ Brown a motivated AJ Brown. I think that's very apparent and needed. I also think, you know, I like the Caleb Lomu pick because yeah, everyone's talking about the Will Campbell stuff, but I actually think that gives him nice depth that it wasn't he does have to improve his

play strength. I liked him, but he does have to improve that, but say a gargots hurt like very

Tucker, then you can bump Will Campbell because he gets hurt at all the time. He always gets hurt.

But now they have contingency plans and that's, that's those are stuff that kneecaps teams. That's the online depth or online injuries, as we all know, that can just totally take you out of this season. So if you just have auxiliary plans, that's just those kind of like tie breakers for me. But I look at the defense and I, I'm fine with the defense. I like it. There's parts I really like. I really like moment Williams. I like the corners. I like Craig Woodson, one of

their safeties. They have no depth on defense. They are like an injury way or two injuries away to be like bottom 10, which is what happened to them for a stretch last year before all the guys got healthy at the end of the year. So that is, they got to healthy season from Carlton Davis, which has never happened before. Christian Gonzalez had missed a couple of games as well and he's also been a guy that's had some injury stuff as well. He has contract stuff that I'll get figured out.

“But I do think that that is what kind of, I think they are better because I think the offense”

has a chance to be very, very, very good. I'm a huge believer in Drake May, but I also like the ecosystem. They put around them. But that defense, I just can't detindering me a little bit and schematically they don't do something down like, oh, they do some funky stuff that's going to

help it's a very kind of missionary position defense. You know, yeah, look, we all like the second

dairy, but this team was four of them points a lot in the end of the last season and that's because of the schedule. It's not because of the personnel. So I like the interior of the D line. There's a linebacker here there. They bring in buyer to go along with which and who I thought was really good last season. But it just feels like it's going to be impossible to match what was ahead of schedule in 25. It was completely ahead of schedule. So if we look at the positive here,

like may having a higher ceiling of options to throw to with AJ and Dops coming over, what do you make of the Will Campbell thing? And you know, the guard that we're talking about here is Vera Tucker, who apparently grades out as like one of the best guards in the NFL, but over two seasons, he played seven games. He did play 15 games. What was it in 24? So yeah. So they already, the whole reason the guy was available is a former first round pick is that he's hurt all the time.

So they're like, okay, boom, we're going to go ahead and do this. They're going to slide Wilson back to center here. Is the Will Campbell thing, like, it kind of turned into a bit of an NBA playoff thing for a starward. It's like, well, Drake was hurt and Super Bowl. Will Campbell was hurt towards the end of this. What did you see from Will Campbell at left tackle where, you know, it was kind of a need pick. It's like, hey, who's left tackle is available. We'll do this. It's not ideal.

And he's a guy who loves LSU games. Like, I get the pedigree of him, but I don't know that I

when these guys usually picked. So then they close the season and you're going, is this guy going

“to get kicked inside or is he going to play right tackle? So it's somebody that understands it far better”

than I do. What do you make of like Campbell and the way they've tried maybe brace for some sort of changes here with other personal decisions? Well, the lumbuk pick indicated a lot to make that. That's all, you know, it teams tell you a lot. Contracts tell you a lot and that's told me everything I need to know. This year's plan is Campbell at tackle, you know, and then we'll see. And then, but I also think that's, but that whole contingency plan with the offensive line. That's in the

back of their mind too. And that can maybe force the experiment or force like, hey, loan was actually a little better. And the hey, well, thanks. Hey, you're a great team guy captain. Yep, your guard now, you know, we're going on the Joe Tuney plan or something of that sort. Right. I'm with you. I end up

having member last year, who the director after it as my tackle one or 111. I did have Campbell as a

top 10 guy, because I called him a best five in Abour that no matter what, you can get your best five offensive linemen out there. And that's the appeal of Will Campbell. Whether that's just good play or a proble play will figure out. I will say before he got hurt, he was solid. Great in a run game. And I'll say past protection was exactly what you expect the kind of east is got him. And then I would say if he was kind of the same standing as the edge against him, he was good.

The scheme helps a little bit as well. They put him on the island a little bit. But I do think that the over the playoff thing is just one of those where it's like, you know, it's almost at me where they at this point. So I do think that they've given themselves a plan. I do like the Jared Wilson move back to center because I was scared that they were just going to go, oh, Garrett Bradbury was fine enough. We're good. Because Bradbury was a below average center, but that I'm glad that I was kind of

some nice self-scouting, reflection gone like because they easily could just go, no, just keep everybody were good. But the fact that they're like, no, no, we got boost this a little bit more. It was actually kind of encouraging to me. I think from like a team building standpoint, but that's better maybe for 2027 than 2026. Question, if you believe in the chargers, is it a rule you also have to believe in the jacks? Because because we could do that. I mean, we'll have the list of of offense. Well, the

chargers at least have the personnel there, where if slater and all are good to go, yeah, then,

okay, this is actually going to be an awesome offense of line. And then slater misses basically

all season, Alt miss half of it. And then you see what you see in the playoffs against the paths, where it's like Herbert just in a mode where he's like, I don't, and people can shit on him and that's fine. But I see a quarterback that goes, I have no chance back here. All right. I think it's just because

“I don't know which group it is. Can you like Lawrence and Herbert? Do you have to like one or the”

other you supposed to think both suck? Because I think there's a lot of like social, this is like the NBA's version of a conversation around Herbert and around Trevor Lawrence. Because there's an argument made with Jacksonville and some of the defensive personnel and the way Lawrence closed the season out that you're like, hey, this may actually like play out over the course of season, he's a really nice quarterback. Maybe not top 10, maybe he's 10 to 15. That's good enough with

some of the other personnel there. I am more dismissive though, as I'm saying of Jacksonville, then I am the chargers, and I honestly don't know why, but it's just how I feel about it. I, I, I, I joked that our pot football three of one is the National Jaguar's podcast, whether it's kind of guys are early on at last. It was simply whether it was because like, you know, my dad coach there for a couple of years. Well, I don't know what it is, but they drafted Trevor

and I was maybe the one person that watched Urban Myers one year in all 22. He was really bad. But I watched that. I was just like, all right, how's Trevor doing? And it was just, you know, wasn't great. But I was like, hey, he's not taking sacks. That's interesting. Okay. But, um, no, I don't know. I want to be very bullish on them. So it's everything, it's a heart versus head. Like, my head is just going, no, no, no, no, no, no, they don't have the online that you love. Like,

they don't have those kind of asskaker. Like, Ants on Harrison's pretty good. They're moving him the left tackle. Yeah, Seth ranked their offensive line unit 30th. And I know people get like, into this whole argument about PFF, but like, look, if they're putting a 30 next year, something's not right. Right. You can say about the middle. It's like top five, really matters more than anything, and bottom five than the muck in the middle. And that's, that's

my concern, though, is that Liam cones earned a lot of respect for me, because he's shown that you can mitigate it. But that's regular season. Playoffs is so different. And the playoffs is just like, it's just like the NBA or just like, I'm baseball too. Like, these things just, the, the, the, the, things they're important, just changeable, but some are the same explosives all that, but a pass rush is just the great equalizer in the playoffs. And what you saw, how do you stop

a good pass rush is scheme and offensive line talent. And, and scheme can only go so far.

“So that's why I just always look at that as like, okay, that can kneecap you. And it's like,”

do you feel better about the Texans all the way or the Jags online? Because that's what I go back and forth on. And that's, I mean, even asking you as you looked at it, like, which ones would you would you even prefer? I, I mean, for me, that's what that's what was hanging me up is that that,

online. And then all sense, oh, no, they got all these new names. And then with the jacks, it's like,

“okay, like, all right, this is supposed to be better. And last year, they're offensive line,”

or the run game fell off that passing game picked up. They traded for Jacobi Myers and Jacobi just calmed everyone down. I've made the show before some players just needed teammate that kind of chills him out. And then for, I call, see, best get the horse needed pumpkin, like the old fat horse next to him to kind of chill him out. And like Brian Thomas Jr. needed his pumpkin, which apparently it was Jacobi Myers. And he kind of just chilled everyone out. They have Parker Washington. So the

passing game became a top five passing game. The run game became a bottom five run game. And now I'm like, does the run game pick up? And that's the question I'm trying to answer. Having said that, I do pick them having him double digit wins. Like, I actually am pretty bullish on them after just laying that all out that I'm not bullish on the old line overall. Well, the Houston Jacksonville Conversation of the offensive line is a good one here, because if you also look at like yards per

carry, what's the other issue? Neither of these teams can get any consistent going on the ground.

“Jacksonville's 27th of the yard per carry, Houston's 29th. I think the argument to say, hey,”

and this is a massive assumption. I'm not even saying I'm right. But if I look at the left tackle for Houston last year's rookie go like, hey, there's something there. And then they add another first round pick from Georgia Tech at center. They're like, okay, maybe because I haven't seen enough of it be bad that I'm assuming that it's going to be better. We're Jacksonville, you look at the interior of the line and you just go, what are we doing? Like, is it going to be,

is it going to be like that again? And I've told people this and I'm making the other announcement,

like, I'm just becoming an offensive line guy because they're never available in free agency

as you and I have talked about. If you're not drafting these guys is so boring to take a guard 14th, I don't blame anybody for doing it anymore because you can't buy them and if you can't figure out a way to stop these freaks in these front sevens and these hybrid safety that are linebackers that think and play like linebackers, but are fast in way 225 and all this pressure combinations where it's all over the place. Like everybody talks about that pre-snap read in a

finding identifying where all that stuff's coming from. If you don't have smart athletic guys and like, almost like a starting pitching rotation for baseball, hey, we need like back in the day, maybe not so much now, but we need six seven starters. We need two guys in AAA, like because we know a couple of these guys are going down. It's very hard for me to look at the handful of these teams that we all like and go, hey, could they win a Super Bowl and collectively those five guys up front

feel like there's some of the six or seven worst units in the league with these teams that we're talking

about. And that's the thing in it's defenses are just so good now. Now he's just always said it's

town scheme, town scheme. There's everybody can rush the passer now. You get it. Maybe like you said with Seattle, big guys, small guy, bendy guy, everybody. Like there's a million, they got one line backer there for them with Seattle who plays like 300 snaps and has like the best pressure rate of all of these snaps. All these guys and it's team after team Texans are 60, you know, all the contenders have that. And the offensive line, yeah, it's like being able to block these guys,

his matters. And it's not like I'm glad you're up just the mental aspect because he used to be able to you can like hide a center and was a scheme it up. Now center you need talent because these guys and you need guys that are mentally astute because the games that these defenses play, the

“schemes that they run, the pick plays, the twists, the late rotation, the center is just as important”

as the quarterback with that. And it's become the centers just become as important as the left tackled to me. And interior guys, you see guards getting paid, some of that is because there's talent to guards getting paid, but also because look how good the defense of tackles are right now. And all these guys have like, what was it? So the Steve Spaggs giants that they made the run, they upset the the Patriots, the NASCAR package. It's crazy, they got four defensive ends. Every team has

that now. Everybody has guys that they can just trot out one after another to further your baseball analogies to me. It's like the past rushes like everybody has relief pictures that can throw 102. It's like, all right, here comes another guy that's got junk. Here comes the lefty that's got junk. Like, when you care if you cover anybody, like your playing 30 snaps, you're coming in on these packages, you're going to be fresh all season long and just go and it sucks and you're

it's like that quick. And you know, on this point too, a little bit and I promise not it's not going to be just an offensive line podcast this year. But I am so spoiled from watching Brady throughout his entire career that I started to kind of like, oh, whatever, like throw a couple big guys from Iowa out there, you'll figure out, although having big guys from Iowa up front probably is a great strategy. Yeah, yeah. But the greatness of Brady of all the things that you want to talk

about with him, when they'd have those stretches where the offensive line was completely fucked up, which didn't have them very often underneath Scar neckie if he used to be in the Hall of Fame. Brady, we go, okay, like we can't block anybody this afternoon. I'll fix it. I'll fix it with the routes. I'll fix it with all of our hot, like, hey, Edelman, we're going to do this and hey, we're going to do it and you know, tighten it together and they just being sink and he would fix a blocking

matter because he wasn't going to let it disrupt and they'd still end up winning the game. And so

watching that as much as I was, I think I'd look at, so there's guys be like, how come you guys can't like it's not what Herbert does. All right, Herbert doesn't go halfway through the game. Oh, shit. No one can block. Let me figure out all of these adjustments that we're going to make. Like there's just not many quarterbacks that are capable of carrying or covering. I should say for that front five when it's just an awful Sunday. And that's the thing too is that, well,

also the Patriots too is like when they, they were ahead of the game on some stuff. Like when they kind of got lesser and the whole line like in 2010s, they got heavy. So they want to hold a bunch of tight end looks. They went fullbacks on the field. They kind of, you know, they went to the the spread looks with Walker and all that. And then they just kind of got tighter again.

“Because if you want to help out your whole line, you get tighter. You don't want them in islands.”

Like spreading it out puts your whole line on islands. And, you know, the philosophy of like Mike Leach of what it was was get the ball out quickly. But then defense is just, all right, they tighten down on that. So you need to block at some point. And this is like that. Back to like the lack of even developmental depth coming through colleges, like everybody loves the influence of it going up college, the NFL and spreading it out and throwing the ball a little bit more. But if you

are sitting there and you never actually have to win in a pass block rep because the balls

out and half a fucking second, like how are you ever developing any skills that you grow what you're doing there. So that's another problem with the league. And look, you smart guys have been talking about this far beyond just plus going like, hey, where are they? Where are the dudes? And that's why you have three guards. Like, I just can't imagine being like an NFL fan and going to the live draft. You're like from West Virginia left guard and you're just like, damn it.

No, you have to be about that. Well, also it's tied to this way. We see more zone coverage now. And what zone makes you do is hold on to the ball longer. So it's, we're supposed to both worlds for quarterbacks. So now you got the pressure again, they're quicker. And then the zone makes you hold on to the ball longer. And now that's what, you know, I know we talked about some trends stuff. That's what defenses are daring quarterbacks to do is right now they're throwing

the ball shorter than they ever have. And they're tackling better than they ever have. Like, yeah, it's the lowest has ever been per reception. I think quarterbacks this year will push the ball again.

“And I think that's where, because that's what they're daring to do. You want to do with the”

defense is daring you to do, which is if you want to play cover two, you want to play those quarters, all this stuff with deep safety is rotating safety's. Hit them over the top. Like, don't attack underneath their eyes or down, down low. They want to tackle and rally. That's what the sea acts do so wonderfully. So that's, it's all tied together with that. And that's where I, that's where the whole under center play action conversations coming from. It's like, that's the way the

offenses are like, all right, if we don't have the little lines, what's watered up in that way, we can attack 20 yards down the field 30 yards down the field and kind of loosen up these defenses. Okay. So as much as we love Houston's defense of personnel, which is in all three level defense, again, which is pretty rare here. What do we make us proud? Because the last time we saw it, it was ugly. And it would even felt like, hey, what happened rookie the sophomore year?

And then you go, okay, we can blame the offensive line. We can blame a receiver going down. We're blaming the can't run the football. I can't. I cannot avenge in a scenario where CJ Strauss rookie year was just a fluke. And now he's going to be a guy. They're thinking about replacing. I can't get there yet. I can't either. I still, I still consider my, what I call top

“half a week starter. So 16th or better. I still hold him in that kind of tier. I think,”

yeah, it means you can be resigned to a bigger. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think they sure already should have. I actually think that was, I want to say, no, and they know something about them, but I don't think there's anything wrong. CJ Strauss, but that's something one of those things where they want to get ahead of the market. Don't you want to get ahead of the market? Oh, that's just to me. But I do think that Strauss got into hero mode a little bit. He was pressing. Some of that is circumstantial.

And to me is that I got asked if that's scar tissue or not. Because that's always the thing.

You don't want to quarterback to develop scar tissue. You don't want any young athlete to develop scar tissue. I consider an open wound. That's, that's all I said. I don't know if it's scar tissue yet. And why I'm bringing that up is that the run game is sucked around him. Like outright was as awful. Hair, right. Terror doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The year you look at, since 2023, since his family league, they're 31st in rushing success rate on running backgrounds.

31st in EPA. These are my nerd stats. 28th in stuff rate. Stuffs are TFLs or gains of zero yards. So you're not doing anything. He's average. This is just what Strauss on the field. He's average 30th in average average distance to go on third down. So he's had a lot of third and lungs. They have one of the highest penalty rates on offense. So when I was literally tons of them, his false starts, but just they can't block anybody. And to top it off,

when the worst blocking running back groups, like in the league for a couple of years, it's my favorite. Or if it's a blind wasn't bad enough. We're also not going back to success. Right. Yeah, it's just the caper on it. So. And it's 30th again. Yeah. Yeah. I guess, well, now we're playing Brian Flores. Whoo. Like, this is great. So that, that, so he's been in a lot of circumstances where he's had to be aggressive and push the ball and build it all back up. And

his one big is not, I would say for me is when he does take a sack, he loses a lot of yards

passer. That's very aggressive. So I, it's one of these, I much rather have the wild horse and hone them in than ask a guy to push the ball with it. Like, can you try this window? Strauss is going to do that. So it's really more about the surroundings around him, which means, yeah, he's not a weak guy, but he's a guy you extend, because this is a guy you're going to

“Super Bowl with. So it too long. They don't read. If you want to know, it's like, yeah, you're”

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Cainiac, extra sauce, no slob, extra finger here or there. Raising Cains, chicken fingers, one love has Kansas City fixes offensive line. Yeah, pending what's what's going on with Simmons. You never know with him, the left tackle, Josh Simmons. But yes, if he is healthy and what it, because he looked like an all-prove, future all-prove last year when he was on the field.

“If he is what I think he is, that's an offensive line. I could say like, top eight, maybe”

him better. And on top of it, they found some depth this offseason, unexpected depth, undrafted free agent. God loves his name. Kaleel Benson. And that's interesting to me because he's been like kind of right guard, right tackle. He's a guy that was at Indiana and Colorado. But he looked really good this preseason that I like that interest me as well. Just again, depth depth depth. They don't have a lot of tackle depth or anything. So again, you're going to have to

share that. I just brought Josh Simmons having issues there. But I do think that they have the the whole line that that's going to be the strength of the team really. So bigger picture of Kansas City, it feels like, I mean, this is weird to just be like, is everyone just collectively off of them? Is that how it feels to you? I know. And I've talked myself more into them. Like, I think they defensively, they actually have done some cool things as offseason. So even though

they got jettisoned, everybody, but does it feel weird to talk yourself out of Patrick Mahomes? They don't think Patrick Mahomes can win nine, ten games, a wide open AFC. And if, I don't know, that's, I've talked myself back into them as like the seven seed. If I'm being honest, like, after I do my previous series, um, uh, I just, I look, I mean, what's the worst that they're going to do? I mean, to me, they're the team that at the worst is in the in the hunt graphic all the

way through, like, right, 14. Like, that's the worst all though. There's been some in the hunt graphics where you're like, well, how do you guys keep putting up the dolphins just because mathematically it's still in play here? Um, we're not laughing. I'm like, why are they up there? No, I, Mahomes, they're quarters. Like, even though they got rid of everybody, they take on Monsor, who I think is like, he's that good. Okay. He's very good. That good last year. And then Williams,

the other guy on the other side is like, complete in a hero. Look, because we're constantly talking about, um, Watson and obviously McDuffy. And this felt like a very beach, hey, we need to reset this part here. This is what we're going to do with our resources. We're not going to caught up in all these contracts. Like, we're going to have to do a reset here on the fly, which I think some smart teams do. Yep. That's exactly. And he's done it several times. I have my exact with the

beach, but he's done this several times where he, it's not, he's not no half measures when he has when he thinks there's a problem on the roster. Like, when they though offensive line, they they lost into bucks. It wasn't just one guy they brought in. Nope. We're drafting two and we're signing

a third. You know, it's like that is the way the DB room that they built. Like, that was the,

that was the big throwing on their side. Then they turned into a top five defense on their second

“center or got now, I'm forgetting all the numbers. Third Super Bowl run. Because that's how many”

they freaking win. But this defense, that was the thing I even, I have noticed is that they're blitzing got really bad last year, which is significant because Steve's bagnola blitzes a lot, and it was the most he ever blitz last year because they've no problem is, it's like, hey, it's not working. Do it more. That's what he did. And it was bad. It was, uh, they basically, in 2023, when they made that run, they just, the EPA played a nerds that, um, they went from

basically, when they blitz, they made every quarterback like the worst starting quarterback in the week, like Shader Sanders, to a borderline. The last year when they blitz every quarterback was like a

top 10 quarterback, basically, like, that press got last year. Like, that's, that's what, when they

fresh talent in here. I, like you went, I like the lane. I think he's a great skiing fit, too, because he's really smart. Very heat, come off zone and kind of bait some guys. I also like the slot they have, Chris Roll and Wallace. And that was been a big weakness for them in the last

“couple of years. If you want to really get into it, um, then they got Kyrus Tanger from New England.”

And that was another weakness that they had. They couldn't really stop the run when they're in their base sets. So they did this in nice moves. And they also have some kind of like, you know, guys that can be wild cards, Peter Woods, or Mason Thomas, their draft picks that they can kind of move the needle as well. And the top of the arm stands, right? And it's just fire. Come on, they got nussbuss on this team who looks great and preseasoned by the way. I'd like to see me and be

home, sit out the second quarter with a little Tom O'Brien boss and college stuff for the first

series in the second quarter, just to develop obviously a Brian during bench mat Ryan for the entire second quarter. But he used to, he used to start with Mike Blin and Russell Wilson and he wanted to do that. That may have been Tom O'Brien's undoing. I just remember telling him, I was like, I really like that you do that. He's like, you might be the only person that likes it. I was like, okay. Thanks. No, I don't know. But you know, you're looking at the receiver group with Zager Worley who's

nothing's funnier than when just the Sunday guys don't watch Saturday and they see where they're going to first game ever and it's the national televised game and people like I can't believe Kansas City got this demon in the bills let this happen. You're like, look, he's kind of a go goalball guy. Rashie Rice has had all of his issues and then you've got Tyquon Thor in a in a best case scenario. Do all three of them come together play every single week and we're good

to go maybe and obviously my home's elevates every single guy, but you would just love to see some consistency for this group and I don't know. I don't know. I just want to show that's going to happen. Everyone's really high in Cyrus Allen, but it's a fifth round pick and so that's the thing. It's like, yeah, you can be high in them but that might be high because he looks just good relative to the guy. That shit. That shit doesn't nothing for me. I mean the guy you guys sat looked at a board of

200 people and the person you drive you to tell us after two practices you like him. No shit, you like him too. I'm glad you brought for the because it's so I'm a I'm a big sizeist when I scout guys and especially at receiver and I have thresholds for reason because really really smart personnel guys and coaches, they have thresholds so I'm not just copying the smart people, but no, but also just time. It's like it's that if I was a hard leak 17 games. That's a long season

and to start at receiver and take those hits like in any position really, I include quarterback here as well, is that like you have to have a certain size threshold and if you don't have that size threshold or it made that size threshold, you better be special with the ball on your hands. And to me, worthy is not special. He's a splitter and fast small splitters don't usually work unless they're Deshawn Jackson who is one of the best deep all trackers all time. You know, like there's not a

shot in a different thing because it's a thing. If he gets into these, we lose. Right. And Devate Smith, who's another undersized guy, he specials his hands are special. He's one of the best route runners. He's just also his own thing. He's a wide-restrong, one-a-one guy. So it's like, you know, Bruce Irrin, like the whist is not long of guys that have been successful and been undersized. Anthony Carter,

“if you want to go way back. But no, it's like I look at worthy. I, I think they're over”

him either way. Like I think they're trying to, and he, like it's banged up all the time or practices. It's like, you can't work with them. You can't win with that. Take one third and it's got weird chemistry

though with Mahams, which is funny. I always love when there's random receivers that weird chemistry is

with the quarterbacks. Well, that's saying something if you're like, it's thought it's actually the guy that I'm going to trust the third and seven. And, you know, maybe that injury, which we all expected to have happened at some point last year. Like you're watching Mahams every Sunday, but like there's no way. There's no way. Yeah. So who knows what he even looks like, although I argue that he's probably going to be like 43 with like fused ankles, finding a way to convert

third downs, because I still think he's that's nice. When I think he equals, and the playoffs in the Super Bowl, he had a high ankle sprint and no one remembers this. And it's like, he ran all those scrambles and running around with high, like we've seen Gimpy Mahams be awesome.

“So that's why I think I'm pretty bullish on it because he's one of the toughest dudes in the”

league. I don't think he just gets the credit for that because the baiting the hit stuff, you know, I get it. I didn't expect to say, that's maybe a couple of years ago, with the bears Detroit. If we went like bears lions here, the bears offensive line is clearly better than Detroit's

at this point. The weapons part of it. I mean, look, Detroit is in a brutal spot with a second

area because you get Kirby who's out. You've got Brad choose out and then the isian, the third guy they brought in. He's not going to be available for the Oprah and her two, which I think is from this weekend. Now, if you want to go schedule, you go Detroit has a 60-ediest. If you look at the numbers, there's a lot of argument that Chicago is now going to face the single hardest schedule in the entire NFL. Who's going to win more games? I have the lines in a slight lane just because of

scary. I couldn't get over the top where even with the bears, there's things for regression,

“turn over, stuff like that. They were on the lucky end of all that. I think the offense is going”

to be great this year. I think Ben Johnson is deserving of the accolades. He's buying into it, but I think he's I'm really, I think he's the real deal. He's awesome. I'm a believer in Caleb. We'll see where he ends up. But I do think that when I look at these teams and everything in the schedule and everything I actually believe, the lines defense, even with the DBs, they're front, I like a little bit better. I like the offense. The ecosystem a little bit better. Like I just can

count on them a little bit better, or a little bit more right now, and what the offense can be, and just the team can be in the schedule. The bears are a plus 22 last season, and it's just hard to go. Hey, let's just do that again this year. With you, and like we said in the way,

I think they're going to be a better team this year. I don't know if they're going to play in a second

playoff game, and you factor in that schedule. Maybe Detroit gets off to some bad start, but there's still enough talent. I think on this line's team that if they can get that secondary healthy and the entire deal, and look, that's another one. It's not as scary as maybe the Houston in Jacksonville, and even Baltimore projections in the O line, but Detroit's had to move some stuff around. So it's going to be left tackle now. So you don't know how that changes things,

because of the Decker who's still available, by the way. I guess he was bad last year. You kind of

“it's that ship sailed. Well, that's what I was going to say. The how the optimistic me is going,”

I think I like their first round pick, Blake Miller at Wright Tackle, and kind of the Matt monkey math I've done is like, all right, his Blake Miller's a rookie better than Decker at Wright Tackle than Decker was at left tackle, because Decker last year was like a D plus C minus. So I think he'll say though at 33, and his pedigree, it's a little, unless he's just waiting for somebody to get heard of whatever spot. It's a little strange. I don't know what his

motivation is, but again, it was looking at Dept. Charles this morning, and I go, oh, he's still out there. So yeah, I forgot. And they've had center injuries, they signed Kate Mays, and he got her right away. So they, they got lost in the community news for me over here, not every night, not just you NFL guys. Some of us have to keep track of their stuff. You know what, so let's let my cheap option. It was all, it's the best we could get out of it with the wolves. You know, it's the best we could have

done. Some of my, you probably could make it. I actually don't mind it for the wolves at all, because you probably just run them out there with the second unit, be like, go ahead, take a bunch of

shots, no problem. But the problem is, Cominga's run around thinking he's a 35, 40 million dollar

player, and you're like, guess what, dude? Yes, you're not. Okay. Let's stay. Trust me. I know right. I know. I know. Like, do you think I want all these personalities on my favorite team? I had something to text me that was like, we can't keep signing your favorites, huh? And I went, yeah. All right. Let's, let's talk about one of my teams that usually is like, hey, I'm going to hold out hope for you. And that's the Green Bay Packers. They lose four straight.

They lose five straight, including the playoff game, the O lines in issue. I still, I think I've had times where I looked at this receiver room, and I went, oh my god, do they have too many bad asses at receiver. I'd say the first three guys, though, I'm still really excited about and craft the tight end. Mike is going to start in the pop list here. O lines are real issuey, and I think Jordan loves I don't know what to do with him. I think he's good. I think he's going to be good, but I also think

I might be wrong. So, not sure. I love him. I think he's awesome. Oh, just let me see if I can embrace the, it's, it's a, what, feature in our book. The, the bonehead turnovers are feature, not a book. You know, if you want the good with Jordan Lobs, which is that he has some of the biggest colonies in the entire NFL, he doesn't take sacks. He plays and he plays quarterback. I don't mind. He takes those. You know, through people's sizzlers into traffic and you're just

eight extra picks. I've come to the, like a few years ago, I'm like, I want, I want eight of those.

“I don't want zero. Right. I want 30 of them, but correct. You have to, like, and he doesn't”

take sacks. So, that's the thing. He can get away with it. I, I've did a little study this off season about, you know, expected points. We don't get too much into it, but two and a half sacks is worth a turnover. So, no kidding. So, that's about the math, because it's just your punning. Right. So, so, yeah. So, if you can go, yeah, exactly. So, but if you can keep it on your

two and a half sacks, it's basically like a turnover. You know, that you're getting away with that,

you can kind of create with there. So, that's maybe Lobs math that works. They, I want to see them use tempo. I'll pick it up a little bit. I want to see them chuck it a little bit more on offense. I think they're going to do that, though. Wants a Christian Watson's turn from player. I didn't like to a player I do like. I was that. I like them. I like them. I like them now. Yeah, I think he's great. Now, he's been one of the most effective receivers on like a great basis. Like, and he's explosive.

He's just gotten, he's just gotten tougher. Like, really. He's like just willing to that.

they're going to chuck it. They're going to speed it up. And I can talk about tempo, too. Like, I think that's going to be a trend in the NFL this year. Look, speaking, even of the ram. So, like, they've clipped King's variance staff. And that's one way you can kind of get after the Cx defense is go tempo. Go fast. You can make them very simple. So, I do think that some teams are going to look into using some more no huddle or hanging huddle stuff, just to make defenses declare. And bullets a

little bit less. And that's something to keep an eye on. I think the package are one of those teams. Because they're slow. Like, they're methodical motions shifting and all that. So, I think they might lean into, hey, we got this guy that's a big play machine at quarterback. We've, all the little nerd stats. This has been a top five, top six offense. The last couple of years. They're super explosive. They got some juice at receiver. So, like, what's lean into it? The run game is a question mark,

because they're aligned. It's hard with the packers. They're coaching and their scheme really does, it's like shanning in. They, they do a lot to help them out. And they're, like, it's really sound.

“It's some of the best stuff protection wise rule wise and everything. So, that's why I don't know”

how to ever stack them up. Because it's like, I look at them. It's like, that's a 29th best old line.

But they play, like, the 14th best old line. Like, they always outperform what they are.

But I want to see how Marcia on Lloyd is, because Josh Jacobs has some, something interesting. I don't know what's going on with Josh Jacobs right now. The run games got a little bit more exposed. So, maybe Lloyd can be that. But the defense is really my hang up with the packers as a team. But I'm, I'm high in their offense. I think they're going to be exciting this year. Yeah, Green Bay 22nd overall defense on the adjusted stuff there. We're not going points for

came on every one of these, like, even buffalo. Sometimes I look at the personnel and I go, how are they 13th in, in defense? And then they're even higher. I think in opposing points, allow, like, 7th, 8th, and that kind of spot. And then I'm doing the personnel stuff. And I'm going, I like this corner, but he can't cover. I think I like this edge guy, but I'm not sure. They're changing what they're doing with their edge guys this year too after getting out of McDermott's

system here. So, you seem to have buffalo, like, closer to the middle than, then just, I guess, maybe there's too many of us that are going to do Josh Allen, like, going to put the cape on. They're going to be top five and rushing that doesn't matter if they don't, like, if you look at the receiver group, I think he on Coleman was the second highest receiver in yardage after Shakir last year with 400 yards. They're second, highest, wide receiver yardage total.

It's kind of almost curry. Yeah. And honestly, you're like, how do they not make it to the Super Bowl? It's kind of crazy. Some of those open mirror stuff there with the bills.

“Yeah. And that's when you have every DP at quarterback. That's what I guess.”

When you have a drag in that quarterback, that really helps. You know, like that really covers up a lot of work on your team. And the old line's been good and well-skinned. Joe Brady, I've been making a joke that it's like, it's a little bit too much cool substitute teacher vibes.

I'm getting right now. Like, I always get alarm bells when a assistant gets promoted.

And the coaches, all the players they interview, they go, God, Joe's awesome. You know, isn't it cool? He's so much fun. As opposed to Ben Johnson gets hired and it's like, dude, he's a, he's a stick or for details. He got on my ass about, you know, so just, again, just over time and sports. I just always have that alarm bell going off. So there's a little bit of that. But haven't said that. Barry's put together good offenses. He's willing to lean into

the wrong game. So it's not like this guy that's going to chase points. I think they're going to pass a little bit more this year with DJ Moore. But it's just, I, it's hard for me to say that their offense line has been really healthy for a couple of years. Last year, Spencer Brown got hurt. Is this, is this year that falls off? Dion Dockens kind of faded a little bit. Spencer Brown fell down because it's like if those two tackles are right, you know, they're good and they

can run it and they can just do that and Alan can take over and cook with terrific and cook. Actually, you didn't have as many receiving yards last year as I thought that he did. He's a shot play guy, but they didn't talk about they might use him more on those kind of

“Sean Payton choice routes. They, that's how I thought James Cook would be in the NFL. And no,”

he's a, he's become like a really good in between the tackles runner, which pleasant surprise, but passing in wise they just use him on shot place, like just like design or red zone stuff. But it's not, it's not high frequency targets. Okay, so we have some teams left over here as we finish up and this was kind of like the contender series because I don't want to go through 32 teams. I can't believe I haven't talked about the

Niners. Maybe the first time ever, I haven't just assumed the Niners will figure it out, but I have major concerns with them. Quick Niners thoughts. I have major concerns. Are you with them? Are you totally okay of leaving them out of the contender group? Yes, I think I might miss the playoffs this year and that's nothing against Kyle Shanahan. I think he has deserved his praise.

He's always put together top 10 offenses, but George Kittle coming off in a kill. He's

George Kittle's super important to that offense, but it's like run game-ampass game. CMC's coming off 400, something touches like A's past 30. And also the run game wasn't very efficient last year. Trent will know an offensive line that your older. Yeah, Trent Williams. I have a Trent willing to let it evolve it, but go ahead. Yeah, so Trent Williams, who's trust me, Hallfinger.

three years combined, he allowed 15. And that's their best player of front. That's a little

and then the receiver room, which was building up to a great strength is now trowing out my Gavin's who has a growing Devo Samuel, who's, you know, very effective in the softest before, but another year older requires exposure, exposed to plays. All right, exposed to Bethlehem of capability. That's another year older. I like Stribling. I actually did not think that was much of a reach. I really, really, I really do like him. He's like the Joanne James replacement.

“I think a little bit better. But there's just a lot of causes of concerns. And on top of it,”

the defense, they, there wasn't a good defense last year. It was, I know guys got hurt. Fred Warner got hurt. Both had got hurt. It's 25th. Yeah. And they were, I mean, they were, they, I think there's 30 seconds and sack rate. They had no TFLs, no stuff. And I think it will get better. I like some of the young players. Hopefully, my kill wounds comes back healthy. Oh, yeah. This Romeo, hi guy. They got also a gazelle. They trained for, so I like what they did

up front. But it's not ideal. The background, the back end's not ideal. And also, reemorse and that's super high on that's like a play collar. Like, they're going to have to manufacture some stuff. And I don't know if that's kind of his game. So yeah, I have a lot of concerns with them this year. You mentioned that trend movie instead. It may be think of the garables that number one pass block rate in 25 didn't allow a single snap in 802 pass blocks

snaps, not one sack 802. Yeah, fucking stupid. That dead for offensive line. I'm going to

“get a poster of it, put it up in my house. Uh, so I think I'm going to save the best for last year.”

And that is not Cincinnati. Cincinnati's in the mix playoff wise. I think it's a bird to fall as a top five quarterback. Um, you know, I don't know if Muffay's going to be Tray Hendrickson, but you could also act. You could probably argue that the best version of Muffay may be a little bit more versatile than Hendrickson's kind of straight line. Like, hey, let's just collapse. The offensive line is felt like a disaster. The defense has not been good. There's a

couple guys here in there. Like, I don't know. I kind of put Cincinnati in that same, it's just good thing. Like, talked to me a week eight, but I'm not going to have high expectations for it, even though it feels like burrow is probably good enough to win you a few more shootouts and everybody else. They are also one of the big teams, the soft season that's doing the under center. We're going to do this offense, but it's one of these where they've talked about that

before. I want to see it in weeks six, just like you, like, is that just offseason talk? And we'll see when the bullets are flying. Those lines are actually pretty good. Surprisingly,

a Mary's Mims is going to be like good clothes for the second half. It feels like

like they're going to begin. That's me read it, not watching me. Oh, no, but in fact, it's better than it's that's the thing. It's like, it's a bit different. Yeah, right. It was like, hey, those, it's a week after six weeks. Yeah. So the Texans would love that. No, but that's, you know, that's kind of like, no, the run games are very efficient. They, they're offense. They have to get their explosive plays back. And that's me, I have to see it to believe it.

They, when Burrow and Chase and Higgins were popping off, and very explosive, they were just using with this play called 99. It's a champagne staple, but 99 is a nine is a go ball. So you can imagine imagine what 99 is. Two go balls. Let's go, baby. Justin Jefferson touched down as a Joe Burrow in the playoffs way back in the in college at LSE, if that was the 99 concept. It's really just that we have a better place than you, but players than you. That's

that's that concept. But what Defensive did said, okay, we'll just run cover two. Because cover two,

you can't run go balls against cover two, they're always your Randy Moss. And sure enough, Joe Burrow

against cover two only has one, when he's under center, only has one explosive play. And but the thing is for the entire season, last two seasons, when he's under center, Defensive's run cover two, he has one explosive play. That's it. And so I look at this. And overall, when they face what they call clouds, so cover two and cover six version of cover two, half cover two, there are 26 knee paper plates, so they're about an eight offense. When they don't face cover two or cloud, they're fifth.

But the thing is, they face the most cloud in cover two than anybody, because they have to hear against and jam our chase. So Defensive's just go, we'll make you be hyper efficient 12 plays in a row. We bet you can't do that for four quarters. We bet you can't do that for 16 17 games. And they've been right, because it's really hard to do. If you get like their middle of the pack explosives, like when they face cover two, they're 29th and explosive play rate. When they face all of the

cover, just they're still just 18th. So they have to get that back. And they have to find ways to get

“that back. That's why the whole under center talk is, it's not just play action. That's how you push”

the ball. It's because that's you throw the ball further. It's all that stuff we talk about protections and helping the offense align out. Getting under center can help do that and attack more vertically, because otherwise teams are going to do it. This is the last little stat I'll leave with

their drives 24.4%. If you get one explosive play, it jumps up to 42%. So it goes about two and five chance. If you don't get any explosives, you have a four percent chance of scoring a touchdown. So you have a ten times better chance if you get one explosive to score a touchdown. So why that's all everything we're talking about with the defenses, how they're playing, offensive line,

“how can they hold up? You got to attack vertically and that's what I want to see from them. And”

for me, it's more theory than anything I have to see it in October and November and December. You should have to ask the rams or Ferguson or something without that cover two. Just be like, hey, we want just a seam baller right down the middle. Exactly. I'm a big Ferguson guys, so you'll get used to that. I saved the best for last. First take usually uses them first. It's your Dallas Cowboys. 30 seconds defense last season. But you gave me the heads up.

No, they are. I'm taking it on them right now. So what's the deal? How many of these teams are below the Cowboys for you? I have the cow. Yeah, when we cover like, hey, what's talking about what the contenders are? I would put the cowboys as either the fifth or six best team I feel about in the entire NFL. Wow. And yeah, I know trust me. I'm not saying you're wrong. No, no. And I get it. I get what everyone wants to talk about the Cowboys. But for it's real this

time. It's a real this time, my promise. Brian Chin, I read to me, I was indifferent on them.

I never thought he was anything like he got talked about to be a future head coach for years,

years and years and years. And then he actually becomes a head coach. I'm like, oh, you actually are pretty good at it. And not just play calling in all of that. He's really good communicator.

“Like, you know, I think he gets a lot of players respect you can tell. So it's just these things”

in between the lines. I'm bringing that all up because what this offense is is I think this could be the best offense in the NFL this year. I think the offense aligns pretty good. I don't even say good. I think Clay Adams, who's their OC, but he's an online guy is very creative. He's great in the run games. He's going to be a future head coach. And on top of it, DAC, I think is a guy easily you can win with. And then they're receiving room. This is as high CD LAM in George Pickins.

There's they can get to any personnel grouping in that guy that rotates in whether it's the

third receiver, which is Ryan Florenly, the second tight end, driven span forward, or the full

back, Hunter Lipke, they're good. So they can get into, it's all about pivoting playoffs. We talk about the NBA having matchups, same with the NFL. That's the whole impetus of the ram's going to the third team personnel was that we might have to do this in playoff time. And so here it's like

“the Cowboys have that already. They have the ability to go tempo. So I think this offense is”

going to be really, really cool this year. Like supernova cool. And then the defense, I think this defense could be at least the average if not better because not just the DC, the Christian Parker who they are. I really do think that the additions that they had and second year players that they have can make it make a big jump forward. So yeah, it's been one I've marinated on. I would say the last month, I've kind of unleashed that take, but yeah, I'm pretty high on what the Cowboys

could be this year. I love it. I love that we did it last though, you know, just a nice little book and we have more stuff. We just want an hour 15. So the other stuff that we talked about, let's say that we'll save it for when Nate is with us every single week, every Monday here on the pod and we are pumped to have him from Yahoo Sports again, football three on. Thanks, man. Thanks, dude. It does fun. Netflix is expanding. It's NFL coverage in 2026 from week one to the

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off like paying for my fantasy league. I was like one of the stragglers. I'm just like I'm not doing it yet.

Not doing it yet. Didn't really have a whole lot going on up here this summer. That wasn't like fun stuff.

“So you know exactly like my brand of fun stuff. So I'm like today's the first day I think.”

I sent the sent the money for fantasy yesterday and going to watch some preseason football tonight. And shout out Nate Tyson. You were on the fence about watching the past preseason. You were I haven't watched this. Really? I didn't watch any with you. I don't know. It was just like just I don't think I'm going to see. I don't think I'm going to see the guys I want to see. Preseason. Yeah it's last year was like we're going to get a little Drake a little bit. Maybe like last year

it was look at searching for glimpses. But you know Drake's a man. I don't really need to to search for that anymore. We have an AJ Brown jersey. Do I? No. Yeah. Finattix if you're listening. No, I don't. I was going to say that sounds like what's the over under. I'm thinking it's probably going to be Gonzalez next as long as they don't fuck this contract up. It'll probably be Gonzalez. I do want a defensive guy. I think that's a mistake a lot of people make. They just have a bunch

of offensive players and you don't have any cool defensive ones. But we got to revisit your track record in Jersey's recently as terrible, right? It's been bad. Yeah. Yeah. You're like my buddy Hartford Pete. He had a run. He had a run in Jersey. He's like as soon as soon as he got the Jersey. It was like the opposite of me when I moved it with town. It's just championship parade banner. I mean it's ridiculous. My resume when I moved it with town. It's just say you guys want to

fucking win. We've covered it. We can do it again. It was four told. Yeah. You guys to go. That's seriously like if I moved to another city at some point, they'd be like, you hear him fucking moved here. Like tell the tell the Tampa Bay lightning. You're like a luck shop for sports teams. It was a great call on me again in the Mac Jones t-shirt jersey. By the way, I did not pull the truth. Wait, no. No, I have you set the

tone for that entire relationship. You're like, I'm only going to get the t-shirt jersey for Mac Jones. What do you think he, what do you think is play caller thought of that when it. Yeah. That's a power. By the way, Mac Jones kind of created out pretty good less. Oh, dude, I'm totally supporting just looking at your Kobe bracelet. Like, yeah, you get those jacks back on track. Do apparently bill a check. I'm bill a check. Didn't exactly do him any favors. But like, hey,

here's the deal. You're going to be a mid first round pick and not going to have any fucking

receivers. And I'm going to try this defensive guy on play call. Like, if there's a Mac Jones like depression TEDx talk when he's 50, you know, my first year to it was tough. Oh, second year. I think would say it's second. First of all, he just did that this summer. I forget who he was on. Yeah, but he was super diplomatic about it. But he did let everybody know it's just like just want to remind everyone what was happening at Gillette back then anyway. If Mac Jones had slug

somebody in his second year atlboro and like a taco stand, I would have gone, you know what,

“I'm going to get a deck I blow off some steam. Yeah, I think it makes sense. Um, yeah,”

hard for Pete bought a bunch of different jerseys. Like, I think he get a gym course he jersey leave for the Red Sox like immediately was off the team. You get a two grims and jersey. They didn't just lose two grims and the wailers moved like the next year. So hard for Pete had it just an off. There's a couple other ones over there. The wailers moved. That's great. Yeah. So all right. Ben on two dates, do I have one move? This is when I was trying to find

it really this week. Yeah. 6 to 190. Well, you're 6 to you're going to meet somebody else. What about 24 years old pick up comp. I've gotten Pascal Ciacca when I play with friends, but more series can't also have a rotational big who grinds the offensive boards plays a good team ball and hit a few shots here and there. Maybe a John Collins type without the 40 inch vertical. Jim stats old school dad. So grew up on push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups running. Just did the

film with road race last week. And hey, shout out. And four sets of seven reps to a five in the

I went out with this girl last night. This is, uh, all right. Then no, the no. It was the first 101 date we've had. We've been talking for about a month. One on a double

“date with two friends last week, where I honestly killed it in bar trivia. Wow. Love it.”

We're just engineers. Yeah. Like he's so smart. You knew everything about friends. For background, I was in a two and a half year relationship that ended in January and I've been on a bunch of dates since then. But this girl's definitely the date that I felt the best about. We really clicked and had an awesome time and I went home feeling great about everything.

And just generally excited to continue to see her. She was equally excited. The problem is last night

when I asked her where I could go and see, when I could see her again, she gave me some dates, but also asked me if I could help her move next week. Dude. I have no problem with this face value. I don't know. I'm, I don't mind helping. And I know it's probably hard for a girl in New York City to move apartments. But at the same time, I can't help feeling it's kind of crazy to ask someone you've been on one real date with to ask you to help move. Especially when I know

she has guy friends in the city who can help. I do really like this girl when honestly like to spend time with her by helping her. But also I feel kind of weird because we wanted a great date. Then she kind of immediately asked me to do a huge favor. It's kind of insane, dude. Am I overthinking this whole thing? I actually don't think that you are.

“No. I think you're asking some good questions here. Is this a normal thing for her to ask?”

And shouldn't I feel weird about helping her? Or am I right that this is unusual? And there's a little bit of being used vibe here. This is maybe an excuse on her part to spend time with me. And it's actually a good thing, especially because she could definitely ask someone else. Oh man, because I can circling each other in the Coliseum of that. Well, at least she doesn't have a roster because she could totally ask another dude, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, if she's a smoke show in New York City and she asked you to help move. Like, you need anybody else. Thank you. Stop by her. Yeah. All right. What should I do to tell? Should I tell her all helper? Is she testing me? These are the thoughts swirling around on my head would love any advice. Again, I think she's great. And don't think there's any weird shady motives on her part.

But I also don't know her that well. She hasn't kind of feel like this is a big ask. So early into spending time with each other. Move your socks. Yeah. No, it's ever once that call.

It's always worse than you think it's going to be, too. Even if you psych yourself up for it to suck,

you know, halfway through or maybe towards the back and you're like, holy man, this is this is awful. I can't believe he asked me to do this. The one thing I'd add on to this, you're supposed to feel weird about asking your friends to help move and be like, yeah, they come not going with movers. I'm just wondering if I could get any, you know, rally the troops. You're supposed to even feel weird about that. Let alone a, you know, a guy who is a complete

stranger four days ago. But you say, you know, we talk about the guy who just like puts up shots, you know what I mean? And just think about it. Maybe there's women. There's like a woman version of that. I don't know. I would certainly commit to being busy that day, but maybe you can show up and get some credit at the end. It would be like, I'm going out to lunch with my grandfather. It's in Westchester. It's, it's kind of far away. But if we wrap up, you know, the blue plate special,

I'll, you know, maybe you can show up for the last 45 minutes. Do we really think it's a possibility, though, that she just set this whole thing up with you so she could find somebody to move? Like, no, like I think she. I don't think so. Sure. It's on the, it's die people. But she hasn't really had enough time to like ask him for money yet or whatever else those people that users would do yet. There hasn't been a lot of opportunity. Yeah. Maybe I'm being naive here. That's such a great,

that's a level of crazy that I don't even know. Like, I think that's rare. Maybe I'm wrong,

but that's just that I think, you know, maybe she, maybe she likes, I think first of all,

I think you can't really say no. I can, in some way, unless you really have something to do, like it's kind of a bad look, like for you, just be like, actually I'm not around. I can't help you this early. Even if it is a crazy ask, because, you know, I don't know, like it's a first impression, you're still kind of in that first impression stage. If you're really like her, like that's just mentioned telling your dad, like, oh yeah, like, I, you know, I asked this guy

to move and he said, no, she's, I would be like, what the fuck's this guy's problem? Like, he's not invested. Yeah, I think the dad would go, it was only one real day and then a double day. It's not going to happen.

“So, I think, I don't want to do more balls coming into this. How's that thing together?”

The other thing to is like, it's like, it's like, it's kind of like, it's kind of like a room-writer situation, too, or you could, you're going to get to know her really, what you're going to see all for shit, like you're going to see all for stuff. This is like a really good glimpse into what her life is about early on. So, and yeah, you might not pay off well and you can see some red flag things in there that you go, man, this was a double day. You could see where she moved to as well. Yeah, and what's with the sound across here? Maybe she's into cosplay, but you're in the air. Yeah,

I've got a hard time gliding so perfect. So anyway, yeah, like a moving blow is, but I think it's there's an interesting opportunity here, and I think, yeah, like, why not? If you don't have shit else to do, sure, sure. I think I would, I would try to make it so that I don't feel like I'm being used,

then like, it's not going to be the worst thing, you know, not driving this bus to the, you know,

the worst day of my life, but I can, I'll get on the bus and I'll help. I, I think that's simple. The great thing with all the technology you're dating is that, you know, you have more options now. At the bad part of it, it's really hard to do the background work on this, because do you have anyone in her orbit where you can be like, hey, but the thing is, is if you tell somebody that she's close to, then she's immediately going to tell on you anyway, and then we're going to get down to some

of the hard core facts, especially if it's New York City. How many floors up? Yeah, don't even talk to me about a staircase, where are we moving into? Is it an upgrade? Wait a minute, it's a downgrade, and I'm going to get together with you, because we had to go from like she's intervening. You know, subletting, you know, hostile, you know, so there's a lot of stuff. I think the, the room Raider reference there from Sruity is perfect. It's valuable. Sure, certainly.

If you go through it with it, it's very simple. Like, do you like her? Do you think you like her? Do you think the vibes are on? It could be a great origin story. It could be a really great origin story. You're going to spend, it's going to be just an absolute blitzing of spending time with each other. And the fact that you're doing this, it's going to raise your credit. I think you have to take the chance that your equity, the amount that you're going to gain from this, because it

absolutely fucking sucks. And what do you want? Like, a bunch of dudes, she's friends with,

to be over there, and being like, hey, I've always liked you because moving's emotional,

and that's to some cruisers in and closing one door, opening another. Yeah, like that was my next question, though, like, are is it just you? Are you sure? Are there going to be like,

“other friends there? Because then you bring two people. And then you have to buy them pizza and”

beer for the rest of the weekend. What if you show up, though, and there are some other dudes there? You know, like, maybe, you know, you're just like one of a few people. And it turns into a fachlor, the move, the fachlorette, the move, that would be. Well, also, it has everything to do with how you feel about her. So, yeah, you already have your answer. Go ahead, Sruity. I just got a million questions, like, what if, like, behind the scenes, though, like, her friends,

you're like, oh, my god, I can't believe she found the loser who did say yes to her move. Right. Been trying to do this for months and, like, two weeks before the move, she finds the guy who's the sucker. You know, that could also be you, too. But it's a great other way. And they're like, dude, he was so, you know, like, so strong. Do you see him pick up that Ottoman by himself? That was awesome. What if you heard himself? He's putting up 205, though, so I think he's fun.

It would be really funny if you size up the situation, and you're like, oh, I am that loser, and then you go, hey, I'm clocking out. You know, there's, there's a chance of having like three different avenues of a really good story here. You're toasting at the wedding, being like, I didn't want to help her move at all. And then she's like, I can't believe he helped me move, and I can't believe he asked me and the brothers like going, you know, I wasn't even, I wasn't

available. She called him. It was a test. He passed the test all the stuff. Or you're on your next date, and a month going, the last fucking girl asked me to move, I moved her out. And then she ghosted me. All that you may not want to say that on the first date was something because then she's going to think potentially your loser. And clearly you're not your 62, your marathons from around

“200 pounds. So all the important stuff. I think what you can't do is try to be like, well, who's”

who's helping? How much help do you have? I think either, of course, either a soft commit or your busy or like, but I wouldn't, I wouldn't be there as like the first, like the guy there at ain't a clock, and it's just like, oh, no one else came. My friend said they were going to come and they didn't, and now you're the, now you're the one pair of hands, you know. So, um, um, there was a guy worked with a DSPN again. He's a friend, but he was like, hey, I want to ask you a question. I want

okay, it's like I just started working there. He has a moving, he's just got a new contract,

so he was upgrading houses, and he never had like a nice house and he was moving like a really

nice house, but I think there are somewhat close to each other. He's like, I think I'm just kind of asked a bunch of like the, the PAs, you know, five or six of these guys. He's like, I asked like five or six of the PAs if they could help me move all my furniture out of this house. He's like, it's basically into the truck, and then out of the house and then into the next house. He's like, if I just grabbed like a couple of cases of beards and pizzas, think that'll work. It was like, don't you make like a

million bucks a year, man? If you fucking do that, everyone is going to hate you. And they may even

“say yes, but they're going to, the amount you're going to lose approval rating. That's how you”

do walls. That's abuse. Like, that's really bad taper on steroids. Oh, yeah. You didn't want to pay anyone to move. Yeah. And I told him, I was like, do not do that. Like, don't do it. If you didn't want to move, if you don't move, if you don't, that's, uh, and you do something like that. That's pretty. That's a scumbag thing to do. I'm just going to say, look, I'm, I'm, I'm currently in the midst of it again here. And I, I got the quote, and I'm like, how the fuck am I not? Because the last time I

did something like this, I did the you pack thing. And it was like, oh, I saved all this money. Like, I'm going to load it. I'm, I just hire a guy. I don't need, dude. I'll just, it sucks. And again,

that Saturday is absolutely going to suck. And it was even worse. I like fucked up my groin, like two seconds. I knew it. My great. So now I'm hurt the whole time. And I packed up all the stuff. And then when I showed up where I needed to be, all of it, like 80% of it was fucking destroyed. Oh, I went great. But just, everything was rubbing against each other the entire time. And I'm like,

oh, cool. I saved two grand. I'll never do that again. Never do that again. If I'm homeless,

I'm still going to pay somebody to move my bag. I would love to follow up on this, by the way. So okay. No, it didn't email, I'm saying, I want to email. Yeah, I think we all want to know like what how this ends or what happens. Yeah. I'll give you myself one number. I'll know you. All right. Shame and a lost air pod. But great sleep. 46, 510, 215, recently got myself down from 238. Stout. I've also been working on getting my bench back up last April, I could bench 135 for

five. Now I'm back up to 185. Not consistent enough in the gym, though. Lots of steps, better diet, dad life. That's fine. Dude, if you don't have a good job at the bench, there's a bad day. Just master the, doesn't go well and they kind of look back at the bar confused. I mean, you know, if you make eye contact with somebody else, it saw you struggle with 185.

“It's like, yeah, you need to press it on air. One rotation. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot. There's”

like three go-to's for anybody that's having a bad day at the bench. If some people are looking and you're just going to master those, it'd be fine. Just confuse as if it's a different material. All right. You're like, you like an ear ball, a lay-up or something. You just like, you grab the boy, you kind of look at him, bounce it a couple times. Like, all right. Yeah. It's not, must not be regulation, obviously. There is. Blow on the hands. Be blow on the hands. Yeah. I was

there were more blow on the hands things in life. Yeah. Just, yeah. Just a rough scenario. And you just go warm up, warm up the old palms. My bad. I didn't know we were ready yet. We already started. Okay. For a player cop, I'd say, I'm PJ Tucker. I can shoot around 35 percent from three. I can drive to the whole reasonably well. I'm a good rebounder. I'm probably about average offensive. The one thing I definitely don't have is much of a handle. I'm not creating my own

shot off the dribble. You're probably not going to get it back at 46. I've been a fan of the show

sensitivity. Pete went on a rant about Marathoners, always telling you about the running accomplishments.

I never thought about writing it until now. Just waking up from my dilemma. So we get this real early. Occasionally, I have a, I have trouble falling asleep. Ever since I heard you say that your friends use the pot to put their kids asleep. An entire group did it again this week in France or this summer in France. I was not in France again. This apparently like this car loaded up with these people I was with. But I was in the other car. And the kids were rampantious. And then

one of the other guys was like, put her pillow on. And the kids fell asleep. And they were like, what the fuck? So I need to find the kids book. And I'm going to do that in the next couple of weeks. We're just going to have a stand alone episode where I read to your kids. Hey, guys,

“but honestly, you're a calm subscription. We got he's put this one out of the loop. Yeah.”

Like, what happened to him? He's reading kids books. Kids are passing out right now. He's killing. He has a huge following. Yes. It's something. Yeah, it doesn't mow. He's on kids YouTube though. It's not going to find it on regular YouTube. It's not kids YouTube. All right. Occasionally, I have trouble falling asleep. We said this. I tried it myself. It works

great. There's just one problem. I have a dream about you or the show. It's always some reincarnation

of me having worked for you as a producer. And then I text you to say what's up. Last that I was in a work, all hands meeting. Someone mentioned that you. And so the dream was I was it work, all hands meeting. Someone mentioned that you're really good at cybersecurity, which happens to be my field. My boss then went on a rant about how you suck at cybersecurity and told me to text you that he said it. Fuck your boss. What is wrong with me? I promise I never think about you

outside of this. I have no broke rush. I just like the pod and I like the fact that it helps me pass out every day. Oh, and again, but when I wake up with this weird sense of embarrassment and then a lost air pod. So what do I do? Give up on being able to pass out quickly or just live with the morning shame. I feel like those are my only two options here. Going back to me every night. Yeah. I'm not judging you. So we don't know each other. That should

help. I'm not going to run into you. Probably ever. First up, this is dreams. I want to want to write like you just you think about you dream about stuff that you think about before bed and like that happens and then your brain just that's just what happens. So it's not like I mean, I'm not like it's not they're not like weird dreams. Like they're just like, you know what I mean, weird dreams. Do you think I should add cybersecurity or good at it? I don't think it'd be enough for you.

“I don't know. Now. Yeah. I don't think it'd be passionate about it. I think I go through on them.”

Right track there. So maybe his boss is right. I want you to head my back. Think of it that way. You listen to the show. You've been there since the SPP days. If somebody's going to trash me in an all hands meeting, you head my back, man. That means a ton to me.

maybe even if maybe if music doesn't work, like what about a history show? You know,

there's like a million world war, too. It's like monotone, monotone guys that like,

you know, if you find my market here, it can't be me. Well, I mean, he's he also listens to the show, too, right? So I mean, it's just like he's got this relationship with you and it's weird in a mouth. He's freaked out, man. You can tell by the email. But by that logic, anything he listens to, he's going to dream about, feel weird about. So why not Ryan? Yeah. I told him I was okay with it. Well, as long as he's not working on it. So maybe now that you know, it's not weird for him. Maybe

that's all he needed. This was just like getting it off his chest. You can say, and if you don't,

“if you don't want to feel weird, how much you're dreaming about Ryan and Solo, then I think maybe just”

do beam something into your ear while you're going to sleep that you don't have a connection to. Also, you don't have to put ear pods in your ears anymore. I hope you do find that. But there's like these these sleep masks that have like, uh, I'll come from my door. Yeah. They have like little headphones. You can even put something in your pillows now. There's like, there's way better options than like jamming an air pot in your ear. You guys dream about me ever?

No, I don't think so. Um, no, no. I don't try to think that really. I do have one reoccurring dream though, and this is like an old school radio thing. Ryan were like, you know, like the silence alarms that we used to get back in the day when like, it would be nothing going over the air. Like, I'll have a wake up in a close while I think about there being a silence alarm, and I

haven't working radio and God knows how long. So that's always scary. Like, on my co-hosts,

when we filled in a mic and mic, just decided upon himself to have a moment of silence for something and didn't tell anyone, and it means the entire network would shut down. Wow. We were on mic and mic, and then somebody got in my ear because I was driving and it's like talk, talk, talk, talk, why is that the right move? Why is that the right move? Why is that the right move that if there's 10 seconds of silence? Everything shuts down. What? Like, what? What would that

prevent? That would be so horrible. Never heard of the Taliban? Yeah, but how does it track? How does it track that? I mean, I ended up saying a word that does sound sound serious, but like, how does it, how do the dots connect? How does anything bad come from just like, you'll be like, what's

checking their radio dial for a second? Why would it shut down? Because they want the entire network.

Like, I don't know, it was 400 something, the affiliates or something like that. So they wanted that meant, at that time, there was dead air. And so I get it because I have a moment of silence. He didn't tell anybody. And then I'm like, well, if I talk a second into his moment of silence, I'm going to be on 400 radio stations looking we're going to absolutely take right. Yeah. But then nobody's going to be a tough explainer. The entire system is shut down. Yeah. Ryan Resilla,

awful analysis. Ryan Resilla interrupts a moment of silence just when he got in. Right, to be at

“deck. And meanwhile, I have somebody in my ear, being like, you have to talk. You have to talk to”

me. You can tires us to shut down. Talk, talk, talk. So it was a quick moment of silence. I was like, oh, okay, thank you. And then you kind of like, gave me a look. Like, you don't know what you're doing. You're just making this shit up right now. That was a wild, wild morning. Anyway, back to the dream thing. I don't know. I could maybe do some like positive thinking stuff. Let me try one. What if everything is actually going to be okay?

There you go. You got anxiety. You're wearing pasta. How about that? A little lesson. You had play that one on a loop over and over again. I'll just read the kids book. How about that? That was stupid. I mean, when you just do one of them out stupid. If you did like three good ones, I think it would have, would have landed. But one, you did enough. Yeah. I think Baltimore's offensive line can be good this year. Just do like tailored ones and said a cameo. Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

I'm not worried about Will Campbell at left tackle. Neither should you. It's a good one for me.

“Yeah. You have a short arm. Jesus. Yeah. You got a short arm for your torso, right?”

Is that what you're like? Well, Campbell so much. All right. When they lost me, I'm not supporting. I thought you had shorter arms. Did you ask this? I thought I had a longer measure. So then legs back to his next week. Okay. I thought you were just did this. Think I have a longer time. So then legs. Yeah. Then Pelt's got a long torso.

Please a long guy. Yeah. So we know it's all kind of long. I think we're done. I think it's time. We're done talking. Have a great week. Yeah, everybody. Go hats. Thanks to Tom, Kevin, Surruity, and Kyle. All of our episodes available on Netflix, the Rhino Siddler Show, our still sports. Cheers.