The Hidden Way Your Diet Programs Your Baby's Health | Jessie Inchauspé

Ladies, directly impacts the brain development and the nervous system of your kids. Guys, ladies, if you're about to have kids, this is a must watch a must listen to episode

“on what you should be eating to set up your future kids' lives for success. Let's go ahead.”

Dive air. I think there's an issue with the societal myth that when you're pregnant, you're going to gain weight anyway, therefore you should eat as much as you want to eat for two. There's an issue with this belief that's perpetuated in society, that pregnancy is these time to whatever the health you want because you're going to get fat anyway. It's really backwards. Actually, pregnancy is a moment where I believe we need to be extra aware and extra

educated about what we're eating because everything you eat when you're pregnant goes straight to your baby's bed stream. Known around the world as the gluteco's goddess and she is a biochemist of best-selling author and one of the most influential voices in modern nutrition education, Jesse, welcome back to the school greatness. Some studies done in animals are suggesting that during pregnancy, your brain gets more pleasure from sugar than when you're not pregnant. So it intensifies

sugar cravings and of course, would it be better to have zero sugar during pregnancy? Of course, is that realistic? Absolutely not. This is not the mom's fault. The moms didn't decide that our entire food system was going to be processed food based. They didn't decide that the cheaper thing to buy is the crisps versus the healthy broccoli. This is not the mom's fault. This is a societal issue. You talk about these four kidney nutrients that influence a baby's development in the womb,

what are those four key? Okay, so the first point is...

I feel like people are struggling with their health so much and I have a personal experience with my wife just going through pregnancy and having twins, but even in that process, I'm getting inundated with content on social media of like, don't do this and moms need to do that and make you don't eat this. You're going to ruin your children's life forever and it's like, it's kind of scary hearing everyone talk about what to do, what not to do. Even doctors and scientists and

researchers saying different things, they're like, well, this doctor says to do this and that doctor says not to do this. So what do mothers do to make sure when they're pregnant, pre-pregnancy during pregnancy and post-pregnancy to make sure they don't mess their kids health up like it's a scary thing? I think you said it right, we're inundated. Social media tells you all kinds of things. There's also a lot of emotional pressure on women, you know, you can feel

like guilty, like I'm not doing enough. I'm not doing enough. Doctors are really focused on short-term diseases. Like do you have a decision diabetes? Do you have this? Do you have that? You're stressed out and I was in that same situation. I was pregnant last year with my son and I also felt inundated. I also felt confused and as a scientist that told myself, okay, let me just like block

“out the noise a little bit and let me go into the science and the research. So that's what I did.”

I looked at all the studies because Instagram is not science. So I looked at all the studies and I found some few easy, high leverage things that I could do that had a proven positive impact on my baby's development in terms of food without it feeling overwhelming, without it being incompatible with,

you know, the nausea prone first trimester etc. And I want to address this concept of pressure

early on in this talks and we can then move on from it. There is innate pressure in being pregnant because you're building another human and I hear a lot this word guilt, you know, when it comes to nutrition tips, yeah, mom guilt for nutrition. It's real, huh? I think it's wrong because in terms of nutrition, for example, what I found is that most moms don't have access to the proper nutrition for their baby to grow optimally, but it's not the mom's fault. We live in

the society today where most people are eating processed fruits, we're all suffering from bad nutrition habits, including pregnant moms, but it's not their fault. And nobody tells them what they can actually do. So what I tried to do with this book is give people a simple guide to navigate that pressure without the guilt, to navigate the broken food landscape we live in, doing this period of pregnancy which has a disproportionate impact on the lifelong health of our baby. Wow.

“And that's what you're doing. That's what I try to do with this book, yeah. And so to start then”

what would you say are the, you talk about these four key nutrients that influence a baby's development in the, in the, what are those four key? Okay. So the first one is Colleen. We're going to

talk about it. Okay. Colleen is essential to forming your baby's brain. It's in eggs and

anal foods a little bit in tan. It's not vegan. Exactly. The second one is glucose and this has been

during pregnancy. So it's important to have glucose. It's important to have enough free of baby

but not too much. It's all about the balance. The third one is protein. You need enough protein

when you're pregnant because your baby at birth is 50% protein if you exclude water. So you need to give him enough protein to develop and the last one is omega 3's and this is a fat that comes from fish and is important for your baby's brain. So look at the four pillars and if you optimize these four pillars, you will give your baby a very good soil out of which he can grow to develop. Exactly. What would you say are the four things that mom should eliminate from their diet

free or during pregnancy? All the known toxic ones. So cigarette alcohol as much as you can drugs. I mean, all that stuff that your doctor will tell you. Those are the real ones to eliminate. When it comes to things like sugar, for example, we all have sugar cravings during pregnancy

and in fact some studies done on animals are suggesting that during pregnancy your brain gets

more pleasure from sugar than when you're not pregnant. So it intensifies sugar cravings. And of course, would it be better to have zero sugar during pregnancy? Of course, is that realistic? Absolutely not. So it's about eating sugar in a way that creates less impact. And apart from that,

“really, do you need to eliminate anything else? No, I think anything can be part of your pregnancy diet.”

But if you have these four key pillars in, you're going to have a really good baseline. Is there an issue with pregnant women who are saying, well, you know what? I'm craving this. And I'm just going to eat as much as I want until I stop craving. There's no issue with women. I think there's an issue with the societal myth that when you're pregnant, you're going to gain weight anyway. Therefore, you should eat as much as you want

it for two. There's an issue with this belief that's perpetuated in society that pregnancy is these time to whatever the heck you want because you're going to get fat anyway. It's really backwards. Actually, pregnancy is a moment where I believe we need to be extra, aware and extra educated about what we're eating because everything you eat when you're pregnant goes straight to your baby's bloodstream. There's another myth, Louis, that there's a filtering

process going on, that your baby's just going to get what he needs and none of the stuff that he doesn't eat. He gets all of it. He gets all of it. So the placenta is an organ that you grow in your uterus next to your baby. And the placenta brings your bloodstream and your baby's bloodstream in really close contact to exchange nutrition. Now the placenta is not a filter. The placenta trusts largely trusts that whatever is in your bloodstream belongs to your baby's bloodstream,

“which is why it's important to not drink alcohol, smoke cigarette or do illegal drugs because”

they're going to show up in your baby's bloodstream. It's the same for all the other nutrients. Let's say a woman who's pregnant is like, I'm just going to have the whole pint of ice cream every single day because I'm craving it and it's okay. And this is what Mom said down to the last 50 years and whatever. Yeah. What is like how much of that sugar rush is actually going into the bloodstream of the placenta and then impacting the fetus and then as the baby grows, like how much is it

impact throughout the stage of pregnancy? So the first trimester is the trimester where most of us

feel nauseous. So I felt extremely nauseous and it could only eat carbs. It could only eat like a class-on prawn shoker that basically for like four months. It was so good. And so in those phases, you do whatever you can, right? Just eat whatever you can. Survive. Survive. And in the first trimester, your baby's bloodstream and your bloodstream are not yet connected. The placenta is not in place yet. The placenta is in place from the second trimester onwards. You're only hurting

yourself. Listen, when you're nauseous, you do whatever the heck you can survive. So it becomes, your bloodstream and your baby's become really connected from the second trimester onwards.

“So your question was, how much of the sugar that you eat ends up in your baby's bloodstream?”

All of it. When you have a blood sugar spike, meaning your blood sugar levels increase after eating, for example, a big tub of ice cream. Your baby also has a blood sugar spike. The exact stain, or do we? No, it's a little bit lower than yours, but it's perfectly correlated. And they know this because they do studies on babies. So for example, at Oslo University Hospital, the scientists recruited 200 women that were going to get a c-section. And what they did is they

drew blood from the mom's arms before the c-section. And they measured their blood sugar levels. And then the baby was born through cesarean. And then they took blood from the umbilical cord of the baby. The umbilical cord is an external cord that connects your baby's bloodstream to the placenta. And it's actually perfectly representing the baby's own blood composition. And they took blood from the umbilical cord and they showed the perfect correlation.

If a mom had lower glucose levels, her baby also had low and healthy glucose levels. And as the mom's glucose levels increased, the baby's also perfect correlation.

And so let's talk a little bit about glucose. So glucose has been a foundational part of my work

for forever, for the past, you know, how long I've been doing this. And glucose is quite

“important. It's your body's fuel. It's your body's energy. You need to give glucose to your body”

by eating carbs. Now a little bit is great. Too much causes issues in an adult body. So too many blood sugar or glucose spikes. Too often needs to be on a glucose roller coaster spike crash spike crash. And that leaves you feeling not so great. It increases inflammation. It increases fat gain. And how does it impact your nervous system? How does a glucose spike over and over again impact your nervous system? And your ability to navigate the emotions of the world? Well, a big

glucose spike can create stress in your body, right? Information and stress. A big glucose spike

can also impact your sleep. And mean that you have less deep sleep. So if you take those

in combination, that means your nervous system can become stressed chronically. How does it impact how you navigate the world? That was your question. I think for me at least, it makes me more unstable. I feel less resilient. I feel that I have more emotional swings, more mood swings, my own journey came to mental health. So for me, big glucose spikes meant poor mental health. And when I kept on going to go to level steady, I felt stronger. I felt calm, steady, steady,

sturdy, grounded. I don't think there are any studies yet looking at glucose spikes and like how grounded one feels. That's interesting. We should do one. Here is about how glucose spikes impact the nervous system and then how that impacts the quality of some of his life. Absolutely. Well, this and the nervous system is impacted by stress. And glucose spikes repeatedly glucose spikes and especially the crash that comes afterwards increased stress. So they're not a good news.

And it, you know, glucose spikes impact increased information, right, in the body. Yeah. And that causes stress. Absolutely. It makes it harder for the nervous system to regulate under stress. Yes, I think regulation is a really good way to put it. Yeah. Absolutely. If you're body and your nervous system are busy dealing with a glucose spike, you don't have much energy left to deal with the rest of the world. Wow. Yeah. So in this study in Austin, they took 200

women who had this, this is Serian C sections and they saw this correlation. Yeah. And some babies

“were born with double the blood sugar levels and not the babies. That's how much of a wide”

spectrum they did. That mean they're born with double the blood sugar levels. So that means that the concentration in the blood stream, some babies had healthy low glucose levels, some babies had double the normal healthy levels of glucose in their blood. That's a bad thing, right? That's a bad thing. Yeah. So very high glucose levels in an adult means diabetes. Wow. We don't want high glucose levels. So kind of mother give their child diabetes in the womb. So no, but I would say

like a diet that is so high in carbs can lead to they be having very high glucose levels in the womb. So what happens in the baby's body? Same thing as in the adult body. Information and fat gain as a response to this high glucose. Now some glucose for your baby is important and good. He needs the energy, okay? But in extreme cases, when, for example, if you're only eating carbs during your entire pregnancy, your baby is going to have glucose levels that are too high. And you might

think that was okay. Well, after birth, surely this must then normalize it. Normalize right?

It will run around and be okay. And this is the key thing. Scientists find that when a baby is

born with high glucose levels and high fat mass on his body as a response to this glucose, he is more likely to get diabetes as an adult. Come on. Yes. Really? Yes. This is the whole point throughout pregnancy is important. Let me give you an example. Families where moms have two kids. During one pregnancy, they had normal glucose levels to mom. During the other pregnancy, they had very high glucose levels. Both kids born back to back, grew up in the same

family, same environment, same food. The kid that was in the womb during the high glucose pregnancy, four times more likely to get diabetes in his lifetime. Gosh, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. I mean, mom killed his already a thing. And so if you're like a mom was like, wow, I didn't eat correctly during this pregnancy three, four, five years ago, did I ruin my child? No. Fear of like mom killed his big already. I understand. And

my mom when she was pregnant with me, she only ate sugar. She ate Coca-Cola, Coca-Cola, table sugar, every meal. Yeah, just carbs. She also had no. But you also had extreme mental health challenges as an adult. And I was in the cost of pre-diabetes at 25 years old. So what happens in

“the womb is important, but it's not the only thing. Okay. These increases are still”

modulated and impacted by what you do in your life. I didn't get diabetes. I was like, I 25. Oh,

baby a bit more vulnerable to disease. It's not going to dictate his entire life. What you

“do during your life is still important. But today, if you think about two of your friends,”

they have the same diet or same routine. And one of them has higher glucose levels in the other. Maybe one has diabetes. The other one doesn't. One of the factors that can be influenced in this world is what was happening in the room. And again, on this topic of guilt, like this is not the mom's fault. The moms didn't decide that our entire food system was going to be processed food based. They didn't decide that the cheaper thing to buy is the crisps versus the

healthy broccoli. They didn't decide that the food industry is going to make highly addictive, highly sugary foods to get them hooked. This is not the mom's fault. This is a societal issue.

This is the system messing up everything for us. It is not the mom's fault. So, I wanted to

spread this book because we need tools for moms to navigate this toxic food system that we're in during pregnancy to try to, you know, use these high leverage points that we can use and to use these nine months as a moment where you can slightly program your baby in to get better odds during his lifetime. But again, it's not the mom's fault. And it's the same thing when you're not pregnant. Like today, if somebody has type today's disease, it's not their fault. It's absolutely

not their fault. It's not a well-powering. It's a food environment thing. It's because of the food that is available today and because of big food trying to make us addicted to sugar. It's not the mom's fault. I hear you're saying it's not someone's fault who has diabetes today. But is it the responsibility to start to reverse it or make different choices and start making it saying, listen, I know I'm eating these highly addictive sugary things, but isn't it also the response would

say, and I've got to learn how to start making healthier choices and be more consistent in the other

“way. Otherwise, I'm going to be stuck like this forever. I think that implies that it's a choice.”

I think it's really difficult when you feel addicted to the sugary food and that's all you have access to and you don't know how to cook. And so you think you're making the, nobody wants to have diabetes. No. Everybody thinks that they're buying the healthy food or they're doing the best they can and they look at something that says like, oh, well, this is a vegan, gluten free cookie, surely it must be better for me than the regular cookie. Food marketing tries to trap you into

thinking you're making a better choice. So yes, it is the way out I believe is to educating individuals to be able to make better informed choices, but it's not their fault. And my whole work is around this. Like what are simple food hacks that are not complicated that can help you break you from these cycles of addiction. When I was growing up, I had to let eight doctor peppers a day in the summer and I thought I was like, I'm hydrating myself. It was just eating candy all day,

sugary things, cookies, it was just whatever I could eat. And if I wasn't running six hours a day, playing in the backyard, playing sports, I probably had diabetes. I mean, I don't know, but I think that helped me, but it was been very hard to break the addiction of that habit for decades that I had. Everything is built to make you addicted. Yeah. It's not your choice. There are billions of dollars being spent on making food extremely addictive. Billions of dollars in marketing campaigns

trying to make you believe that orange juice is healthy. How can one single person break free from this as a choice? It's not a choice. It's so hard. I got, I love that you're saying this, but you know, Sean Stemison, he goes against the other. He goes against that. He'll say, I don't know if you want to show everyone, but he said, I was the guy laying with like back pain for months in my bed, because all I was eating was fast food for my whole life. And I was in flame that I was overweight

and I was beast and all these pains that I couldn't get out of. And he said, it was extremely hard. It was extremely challenging because there was no healthy food in his city where he was living in in Ferguson, Missouri. It was like food desert for miles, right? But he was like, I had to work so much harder to go out of the city to find a healthy store and make conscious decisions consistently. And it was so hard. I'm not saying it's like, I'm not hard, because I did it and I reclaimed

“my health by taking those actions. But you have to make such a conscious effort daily. And that's”

saying it's easy. But I believe it can be possible, even with the pressures of the system of place. And again, it's, you have to be so committed to what I feel like. I agree completely. And

you know, with my glucose hacks, that's my first book. What I tried to give to people with these

hacks is a way to go from zero to one. Yes, small tips that don't take so much pull power that allow you to start feeling better. For example, okay, you're going to, what's the thing you were having Dr. Pepper? Dr. Pepper. Yeah. Is that what you said? Dr. Pepper. Okay, so okay, so Dr. Pepper, if you need to have it because you feel addicted to it, have it after your meal instead of before, so that you don't create a spike and a crash that's going to make you crave more Dr. Pepper.

So it's these small little tweaks. And when you apply them for a week, all of a sudden you're like,

Yeah, yeah. And this zero to one is the hardest. And that's my passion is to behave your

change from zero to one. Because once you've done zero to one, then you're on your way. And Sean is very strong and he was able to do that all without my glucose hacks. It would have been ways your frame with my glucose hacks. Yeah, of course. Of course. Of course. So it's all the zero to one, just small things. And these are, he's an exception for sure. And he was extremely sick. He couldn't move. So he was like, I have to take complete control of changing and learning about these things.

Because he thought, you know, fast food was healthy. He thought because like it had egg in it, you can have a big Mac with like a bun and a grease and still healthy. I thought pizza was healthy. You know, it's like, I used to eat a whole pizza. I could eat a whole pizza like this still, because it tastes so good for me. But just because I thought like, oh, this is on the food

pyramid. You know, it's like bread, meat, and cheese. But it's not or at least, you know,

maybe you can make it healthy. But that was not healthy. And speaking of the food pyramid, this just changed or they're making these changes. What do your thoughts on these new changes for, I guess, at least in the USA of the food pyramid suggestions? I'm very happy that we no longer have

“the recommendation that says you should have eight servings of carbs a day as the base of the”

pyramid, because carbohydrates or bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, these are foods that are full of glucose that raise your blood sugar levels, that lead to the glucose spike in the glucose crash, that give very little nutrition to your body. That was my diet for a year. Yes. And so I'm very happy that this is no longer going as the base of your diet. And this is true for everyone. I'm very, very, very glad about this. And I hope it's also going to impact school lunches. I hope that

kids and all are going to get just bread and orange juice as their meal. Just big spikes, huh? Yes, big spikes. So, I mean, the food pyramid now, the suggestions, do you feel like they got it right? Do you feel like it's moving in the right direction? Do you feel like it's 80% overall there? Or what do you think is good? And what do you think needs to be improved? I think my main thought process around this is? What then happens to the food industry? Because the food

pyramid is one thing. But what does it actually mean in terms of how we're going to change how we eat? Yeah. Because if you take it to the letter, meaning like now we're going to eat animal foods as healthy sources of protein, we're going to focus on fruit and vegetables, and we're going to eat very few carbs. That sounds pretty great. But if this is co-opted by the food industry who's like, "Hmm, how can I use this new pyramid to sell my

“process food?" Process, yeah, yeah. So, I want to, I'm waiting to see what happens. I think it's”

definitely better than the old one. 100% there's no question about that. But then where do we go? I don't know. I don't have a, I don't have a judgment yet. I need a little bit of perspective. But in terms of the recommendations itself, let's say it was all organic and unprocessed. Yeah, it's great. You feel like that structure is the way to go. Absolutely. I think it's great. Yeah. I think obviously, you know, companies are going to market how they need to to say, "Okay,

you're hitting the right things in the food pyramid, but it could still be unhealthy for you, how they process things." For sure. And it could still create spikes in all these different things. Absolutely. But in terms of the overall volume and what's important, it makes complete sense to me that we're shifting away from carbs, being the main thing that you should eat all the time as the base of your diet, and towards healthy animal foods and fruit

and vegetables. I mean, yes. Asked up pizza and bread, that was mine. Yeah, that was it. I mean, I have steak once a while, but it was like, "That was the diet." And it was like, "No wonder I was exhausted all the time." Like yawning all the time, exhausted time. And it wasn't your fault, right? There was just,

“this was the message. I thought it was healthy. That's what I'm seeing. That is what I'm saying.”

Nobody thinks, "I'm going to eat an unhealthy diet on purpose and try to feel horrible. Everybody's doing their best. Puritan moms are doing their best." And so I understand that this information, nutrition, and advice around pregnancy can come as making moms feel like they're doing

things wrong and guilty. The problem is, is that all of these, all of the science, all of these studies

exist. They've been around for a long time. The American Association of Pediatrics, I've been talking about this forever. We have these guidelines. We have the World Health Organization talking about Koleena, about Vucos, but, et cetera. Nobody's telling moms about this. Why is that? Is it because they think that oh moms can't handle it? No, I think this is key because it shows you these four high leverage nutrients that are actually very simple shifts that can make a

big impact on your baby's health. And as a result, you're not inundated by just Instagram, Infinity Instagram content, and thus giving you very confused. If moms listening or those are going to be moms soon, we're going to be pregnant soon. They're listening and you say these four key ingredients, Koleena, Glucos, Protein, and Omega 3s are what they need to create a fertile foundation for a child's development of their brain to be set up for more success, right?

forming better as what I'm here to say. If a mother who is pregnant does not get Koleena,

Glucos, Protein, or Omega 3s in their diet at all. And they understand here this information,

“and they still choose not to get that. What is that state for their babies developing?”

So I will just say one thing, the Glucos part of this book is not about getting more. It's about making sure you're not getting too much of it. Okay, I mean the right amounts. Exactly. So if you don't do any of these things, your baby will probably be fine. Really? Yeah, your baby will probably be born and probably lead a normal life. And just maybe one day in the future, whole have a bit more susceptibility, or yeah, be a bit more vulnerable to getting one of these diseases. Because you were

your mom was on sugar all the time. I'm like the perfect example. And you were fine, isn't it?

I'm being somewhat okay with no Koleena omega 3s, not enough protein and a lot of sugar.

And look at me, I'm writing books. You're not all right. So you know, I thought about this a lot and as I was writing this book and I called my mom and I was asking her about her diet. And yes, I'm fine. But if I'm being honest, I've struggled with mental health a lot in my life. As I said, because of free diabetes, I have a hard time with emotional regulation. I've had aches and pains. Like I have a hard time building muscle. Are all of these things, do all these things

“take a route in the room? Probably not all of them. Do I think knowing what I know today about”

this science? Do I think that if my mom had had this book when she was pregnant with me, do I think that maybe I would feel differently today as her daughter? Probably. I think maybe it would feel a bit better to be in my brain. Because by the time your baby is born, all of his neurons, so the brain cells that process information are in place for life. In the room, you're forming the basic architecture of your baby's brain. And then brain cells neurons, they don't get replaced.

You keep the ones you're born with for your entire life until they die. So, my neurons were forming in my mom's uterus, and she did not know about calling, and she did not know about omega-3s, which are two key nutrients to allow my brain to form as best as it could. So, yes, I do believe that maybe if she had known about calling, which is very fruit and which is nutrient you can get in eggs, for example. So, if she had

been eating a lot of eggs and eating fish and something like that with omega-3s, maybe my neurons would be a little bit better today. I can't, I can't know. We don't know. But what we do have is we have animal studies. So, we can't do studies on pregnant human moms. It's very unethical. But we can do this on animals. And so, then you give you the example. So, let's look at calling, for example. So, when you deprive a mom of calling, like her, a mom, an animal, like her

rat's mom, okay? The development of her baby's brain in the room stops earlier than it should.

“Wow. And the baby has fewer neurons than his peers. Because the mom is missing this key nutrient”

of calling. However, the baby is born. The baby is born and outwardly. She lives in it. Exactly. Exactly. To be honest, we're an entire generation of babies. Probably you didn't have it. I've calling the room either. Well, an entire generation of people who probably did not have enough calling, why is that? Because calling is found in eggs, but also in organ meats, like liver. And today, we don't eat any more organ meats. Yeah, we don't eat the we used to, right? And this is the case for

everybody. Pregnant moms or not. Is this the Pregnant moms fault? Absolutely not. It is the fruit industry. It's the process we do today. So, we're all probably babies of low calling moms. We're mostly, okay? But what if we could change that? It'd be cool. But if we could give mom this important information. What does that mean? So, one thing that scientists do there, able to do trials on human moms, where they supplement the moms with extra calling, for example.

So, we can't do the hardcore stuff that we do on animals, but we can do in moms, for example. So, there's one cool study that I'll mention. There's this test that scientists do on human babies. So, they put them in front of a computer screen and they flash images on the screen. And they see how quickly the baby reacts to the new image. So, moves his eyes like this. And this may seem in consequential, but it's actually associated with adult IQ. So, the faster you react to the

images on the screen as a baby, the higher your IQ has an adult on average. And so, what they do is they do this trials where they give some moms during pregnancy, a colon supplement. And other moms,

no colon supplement. And then they measure the baby's reaction time once they're born in the first

year of life. What do they find? 10% higher reaction time. Faster reaction time when the mom had a lot of colon during pregnancy. Small, small, small, marginal changes. But interesting nonetheless, because what happened in the room seems to have a lasting impact on measurable measures of brain fascinating, because you're saying this, you know, I have twins. And one of them was, I guess, more premature or just smaller, you know, had to be in the mic you for a little

everybody was fine, the other one was kind of struggling. But the one who is struggling in the mic you, it almost feels like the reaction time is faster than the other one that was like fine. You know, that didn't have like the complications. And so it's interesting to see twins, they were born from the same mother. And I'm curious to see their development over the years to see what happens. Yeah. But there's all this stuff is fascinating. Absolutely. All this stuff is fascinating.

And your twins have different DNA, right? So DNA is one thing. And then the environment in the room is something else. And they both interact to create unique babies. And there's buns, there are buns on these tail on this table. And I want to talk about the reason there's a bun here. Yes, because of the myth, yeah, having a bun in the oven when you're pregnant. Have you heard that sentence? Of course.

“Of course. Why do people say like there's a bun in the oven? And why is that harmful to say that?”

You know, I don't know where this comes from. But I know why it's not good. So telling a mom, oh, you have a bun in the oven implies that the mom is an oven. And what's an oven? A passive object that provides heat and time. Uh-huh. As a mom, you're so much more than that. You're not just passive waiting around for the next next ultrasound, providing heat and time to your baby. A better image is that you are soil and your baby is a seed. We all know intuitively that if you have a

seed for like a nice up old tree, if you plant it in a driveway full of gravel or if you plant it in a healthy garden, it's not going to lead to the same tree. You know that. You know that the soil co-creates, the trees plant. Yes. When you're pregnant, it's the same thing. The nutrients you provide to your baby, co-create your baby's genetic plan. And if you provide all the stuff that he needs, he'll be able to develop more optimally. And this again is linked to adult vulnerability or

resilience to disease. So as a pregnant mom, you are soil. You're not an oven. And this is actually,

so in my book, I called the introduction, you are not an oven. This is like the first idea here.

“You have to understand, you are not an oven. You have so much more power, so much more agency.”

And for some weird reason, this science has been kept from you. When with simple tools, for example, getting enough cooling on a daily basis, you can give your baby's brain the nutrient that he is because today, for example, the piece of cooling, this is a shocking statistic. 90% of pregnant moms, 90% of pregnant moms are not getting the bare minimum amount of cooling that is recommended during pregnancy. 90%. Not because we don't have access to eggs, because nobody's

freaking telling them. Why? Big mystery. I have no idea. I think it's a sense of like, oh, mom's can handle all this nutrition information. It's a bit too complicated. Or maybe because the medical system is built around short-term disease prevention and problems and doesn't take time to tell you about the long-term potential benefits that you can impact. So this is where the cooling chapter is so important. With just four eggs a day, you get all the cooling that your baby needs.

I know four eggs a day sounds like a lot, but actually it's the easiest way to get the cooling. It's in the egg yolk. So if you can't eat all your eggs just eat the yolk. Make sure the cooked through it's important during pregnancy. There's also cooling and fish and chicken in meat. There's a little bit of cooling and plant fruits and they're a great cooling supplement. So you can take if you don't eat any animal products. So easy. I ate so many eggs when I was pregnant. Yeah, for eggs every morning.

It's an extent the first four months where I could not eat. Yeah, it's just carbs,

it's gross, it's gross. I'm sure there's some cooling in here, right? No, no cooling in the class. But so cooling eggs super simple. We have evidence that moms are not getting enough. We have evidence that it matters. We have animal studies. We have human trials. We know it's important. Their American Association of Pediatric says failure to provide cooling during this important time can result in lifelong brain deficits. Really? The American Association of Pediatrics.

“It says that. Yes. Can you explain to me the rest? Why we're not telling moms this?”

I don't know. Yeah. Exactly. I have no idea. It's a mystery. So this is why this book is important. Wow. Yeah. So what would you say then is the biggest nutrition lie that moms have been told during pregnancy that? The biggest nutrition lie that your baby will get what he needs.

Always. Like just you would ever, the baby is going to be fine. A more calories because you're

going to eat for two. That's a big lie also. I mean, double the calories. It's not really double the calories. You don't need double the calories. And the biggest lie is your baby will take what he needs. The correct sentence is your baby will take where you give him. Your baby will take what is there. And your baby will adapt. Just like a tree in different soils, your baby will adapt. Your baby knows nature is smart. Even if you don't eat any cooling your baby will adapt.

And do things differently. But if you give him all the stuff he needs, he will not need to adapt so much.

Maybe. But it's like not really that's really true. Thankfully, the human body is not that extreme.

Right? As long as you have air, water, food, a uterus, your baby will probably be okay. But actually not necessarily because in the case of cooling, for example, we know that low cooling levels can lead to brain malformations that end in miscarriage. So we talk a lot about folate. I don't know if you heard this when you were growing for the pregnancy, but it's like take a folic acid supplement. It's very important, et cetera.

Coline is just as important, but nobody talks about it. Yeah. And we talked about, you just said

“the sentence, eat for two, eat a lot of calories. I think this brings us to the topic of glucose,”

which is important. So glucose, as I said, is in carbs. So bread, pasta, cholesterol, rice, potatoes, fruit, chocolate cakes, et cetera. You need more glucose when you're pregnant because you're baby needs it. But how much is the question? Not double. 10, 20% more, baby, right? Like. So kind of yeah,

exactly. So at the end of the third trimester, when your baby is really big or your baby is a really

big and they're just about to be born. Your baby needs 70 grams of glucose per day. 70 grams of glucose is the amount of glucose in a cup and a half of rice. That is the maximum, yes. That is the maximum amount he will need when he's the biggest he's going to be right before birth. So at the very end of the third trimester. In the first trimester, you barely need any extra glucose at all. Second trimester, it starts going up a little bit. At the very end, the maximum of a cup and

a half of rice. That is not nearly eating double the amount of carbs. You don't need to eat double

“that. So you need to give you a little bit. But if you give you a baby way too much, he's going to”

have to adapt in the room and he's going to put on fat to try to protect himself from high glucose levels and it might create some vulnerabilities, for example, to diabetes. And there's a cool thing we have to talk about, which is the difference between DNA and epigenetics. So when

you conceive a baby, his DNA is set, it will never change. Half from the mom, half from the dad.

DNA will never change. But that's not the end of the story. Scientists have recently discovered that there are little tiny switches, tiny molecular switches that sit on our DNA and control which genes are on or off. So DNA is one thing, but the programming of the DNA is very flexible and it's a whole other thing. Is this the whole CRISPR thing? That's different. That's gene editing. But epigenetics, we all have this. All of our genes are being programmed by these little switches

at all times. And during pregnancy, you're setting up the epigenetics, the programming of your babies in DNA. And so scientists can measure this programming. They can see which genes are on and which genes are off. And what they find is that when a mom has very high glucose levels during pregnancy, the human baby has genes linked to diabetes that are turned on more than other babies. So with your dietary pregnancy, your programming is genes on and off. And this can lead to the

long-term increases in the risk that we're seeing. For somebody who's not pregnant, what is the optimal amount of carbs someone should be eating on a daily basis? That's a very controversial topic. To have like healthy lifestyle to be in fat burning phase, so you know, enjoying life as well. What is it? Well, the thing is we don't actually need to eat carbs. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. It's so good. I know. Because if you don't eat any carbs, your body can make the glucose

that it needs from within. Really? Yes, from other sources like protein. Your liver can create glucose, as long as you're eating something. That doesn't mean we should all eat no carbs. Most people will do fine on like 100 grams of carbs per day, for example. Which is 100 grams of carbs? What is that? Two cups of rice? Two cups of rice a day. Yeah. That means. Yeah, two cups of

“rice a day in terms of carbs is all you should need or is like the maximum or is it? It depends”

so much like if you're an athlete, you need more because you're using up a lot of glucose for your muscles. It depends if you're, you know, if you're maintaining your weight, if you're trying to lose fat, it depends on someone. It depends on your individual sensitivity. If you're a female, if you're a male, time of the month, like you need to find your own balance. What are the best use of carbs source for most body types? The best source? The bread is apostas, like what?

Very question. So I would put carbs in two categories. So we have the starches, which are bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, oats, and then we have the sugars. So that's chocolate cake, fruit juice, even just fruit. Uh-huh. Starches just contain glucose, sugars contain glucose and fructose. You don't want that. Your body doesn't need any fructose. So does it need fruit? No, you don't need

bad logic that you need, right? So it's always better to get your carbs from starches than from

sugars like fruit juice or cake. Now fruit themselves whole fruit is mostly fine because they contain fiber and water. So there's glucose and fructose in there, but because of the fiber in the water, they're arriving in your bloodstream more slowly. All that to say, it's up to you to find your optimal amount of carbs. You don't need to eat carbs, but it's a nice way to get energy. It's also a very social food. Yeah, of course. Harbs are social food. So I do pretty well

like 100 grams of carbs per day I would say, and then I focus a lot on protein and healthy fats, etc. But someone is trying to, you know, get in shape, stay healthy, stay lean, trying to eliminate fat from their body. You're saying stay around 100 grams of carbs a day or less or,

you know, it all depends on who and when and all it's stuff. But it's a normal human being who's not

pregnant and they're just trying to stay lean. I would avoid giving exact numbers. What I would say is, if you are able to keep your blood sugar levels steady by using my hacks, for example, I feel like you naturally get to an amount of carbs that's going to support fat burning in your body. Because fat burning is a healthy state to be in. And when you don't have big spikes and big dips in your glucose levels, your body can burn fat for fuel. So it's hard to say a certain number,

because for example, if you only carbs, where you're staying under X grams, does that mean you're going to be healthy? No, right? It's about a combination of things. I don't think we should say like X grams of this, X grams of fat. Even the spikes lower. Yes. And that's frequent. Yes. And focusing on foods that actually give your body something really important. So for example, protein and fats. Right? We can't make protein from within. So it's very important to give your body enough protein.

“But we can make glucose from within. How much protein and how much fat should we have?”

You want numbers? You're going to write a whole list for you. You start average like, you know, is it, yeah, is it based on it? So for protein, I think it's actually useful to talk about exact numbers here, because your body cannot make protein from within. And when we think protein, we often think muscle. Protein is not just muscle. So many things in your body are protein. For example, the collagen in your skin that keeps your skin healthy is a protein. A lot of the

parts of your immune system are proteins. They keep you healthy. They keep you safe from pathogens. For example, insulin, which is a hormone that manages your glucose levels, that's a protein. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of types of protein in your body. And it's really important to make your DNA makes protein. The little code in your DNA, what does it do? It tells your body how to make different proteins. So it's not just about muscle mass and body building. And

during pregnancy, you're literally building another human's body inside your body.

“It's important to remember that sometimes. And as I said, your baby, the moment he's born,”

is about 50% protein. She excludes water. Proteins are everything. Everything. So how much protein do we need? We've had lots of different methods to try to measure how much protein there's human needs to eat. And the more recent methods, they have a funky name that called the indicator amino acid oxidation method. Very fancy word. But it's just saying it's a new method for measuring how much protein you need to eat to give your body enough, not just to survive

but to thrive. And so this method is not showing us that in a pregnant person, we need about

1.2 grams of protein per kilo of body mass per day. In the second and third trimester, we need

1.5. And during breastfeeding, 1.9. So breastfeeding is very intense in protein because you're putting protein in your breast milk to continue to feed your baby. So these stats are core and very important to learn about for moms. Most moms are not getting nearly enough protein during pregnancy. And what happens is that your body starts breaking down. You're a muscle. Because your muscles are

“full of protein, break down the muscle, give it to baby. And that's why we see studies that say”

that 30% of moms lose muscle mass during pregnancy. Wow. What's this curious? How much protein is in a cup of breast milk on average? Do we know? Did you ever study this with you? I'm sure we know, but I don't know. I don't know. It's a lot of protein and it's like one gram of protein on an average. It's a good question. What I do know is that it's a complete source of protein, meaning it's very high quality protein for your baby. What's the size behind

weird pregnancy cravings? I'm saying like I want to pick holes and chuck a saw. I don't know, like weird stuff. So it's still up for debate, but the pickle thing scientists believe that it has to do with iodine. So iodine is something that is found in a sea salt. It's very important

you're craving something salty, something high in iodine. I craved red meats and kiwis and like citrus

fruit, a lot of fruit during my pregnancy, maybe it was because of all the vitamins. That's a big glucose spike, right? Like all this fruit? Well whole fruit is fine. Okay. But the fruit juice, if you get rid of the fiber, that's going to be a problem. Okay. Sure. How much fruit is fine? Like what if you're eating buckets of fruit that's still a lot right? Well yes, because the fruit that we today has been bred by humans to be very high in sugar. So, you know, if you eat a lot of it,

it might cause a big spike. But what I recap in the glucose part of the book is all the glucose hacks to help you eat the sweet stuff with that. So having an app with peanut butter all. Exactly. I'm putting some clothes on your car. Oh, yeah. Nice one. Or having the fruit or the sugar at the end of a meal instead of a beginning. I bring a version of protein. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. So, but I'm a firm believer that a whole fruit is totally fine and we should absolutely not

“demonize whole fruit. It's the best thing to eat if you want to eat something sweet.”

Speaking of sweets, what's the real reason people feel out of control with sweets and sugar? I think one of the main reasons is that they are on a glucose roller coaster and they don't know it. And the main culprit is often eating something sweet on an empty stomach because when your stomach is empty, anything sweet that you eat, those glucose molecules arrive very quickly into your bloodstream. Nothing is slowing them down, which means big glucose spike and big glucose crash.

And we know that the crashes can activate the cravings entering your brain. So I used to eat through stuff for breakfast all the time and then at 10 a.m. I was like, I really need like some chocolate. Or something more sweet. Not to taste. I was like, I need like a muffin. I really got a shop and get like a coffee and a muffin. Yeah, tell them. And now they came back and like, God, all these years, I was just having a glucose crash because my breakfast is sweet and I had no idea.

And then the cycle starts again because I have the muffin in 10 a.m. What happens? Another spike. And then another crash. And then all day. And then it's 11 p.m.

“And I've just ordered on Uber eats like five pints of ice cream. And I'm like, how did I get here?”

Well, it was all because of the breakfast. Gosh, you made something from your last time you're here.

The chocolate brittle. Oh my gosh, this is incredible. This is a recipe in my second book,

the glucose goddess method. I wanted right now. It's so easy. You just get this dark chocolate and you melt it and then you put it on this baking sheet and you put a bunch of nuts in it. Like, I think I made it with pistachios and walnuts for you. Sea salt, put it in the fridge. You wait for it to harden and then you break it up. Now, you know why this is a good dessert? Tell me. Because of the nuts. Because those nuts contain protein. In fact,

and they're going to slow down the glucose spike from the chocolate. She won't let it now. Are you having the glucose crash right now? No, no, no, no, no, no. I've been needing a moon bean soup for like six days. I'm trying to kind of just like get more beans and reset from the holidays because I ate a lot of sugary sweets that I was too much. And so I'm just doing it for a number of days. But yeah, that brutal sense. I'm basically at that. You make some while you're

here. Okay. Also, it's super over here. Oh my gosh. It's so good.

“I think that's one of the reasons people feel out of control. It's what your eating sweets”

essentially alone by itself. You're going to have a rush and then a crash. Even if it's a little sweetness, a couple cookies of sounds like. Well, listen, having one cookies going to create a smaller spike than 10 cookies. Yeah, a whole box. Yeah. And this and sometimes I wake up in the morning and I'm like, I want ice cream for breakfast. And I do it. And I'm like, this is going to

create a big glucose spike. And all day. Yeah. Is it worth it? I always forgot it. No regret it.

Because I feel awful. You know the science. You know what it's doing to your body. You're praying all these things. Yeah. It's good for an hour. But then you're like, and then the rest of the day, you're kind of like trying to figure out how to re-regulate your system. And then the next morning, hopefully you can reset it. But it's like you also sleep worse when you're doing it. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a little bit of a vicious cycle. And when we're talking earlier about,

you know, people feel a victim and trapped in their diet and it's hard to exit out of it. Breakfast is a good moment to try to exit out of it. If you have a protein rich breakfast, pregnancy is not pregnant. This is a very great way to stay with Isaac Letcher. And I found that during pregnancy, when I was on the glucose roller coaster, my nausea was worse. But if I was able to have a little bit of protein, like I would lay in bed and wake up and I had some almonds

next to my bed and I would eat them before I got up. And that kind of helped a little bit of protein before getting up to stabilize my blood sugar. I mean pregnancy is a whole thing. It exacerbates so much stuff. It's complicated. Yeah, pregnancy is also a highly emotional, highly, you know,

but still there's a, it seems like there's something in the, the pregnant mom that starts to switch

on where they're thinking about it more intently when your pregnant is what it seems like from my interpretation, my experience witnessing it is you're thinking about your pregnancy, thinking about your choice is just thinking about your body, then your body's changing, then you're questioning your body, all these different things are happening. And I can only imagine what is happening with your mind and trying to stay calm. And the hormones. Yeah, trying to stay calm with all of it

seems extremely challenging. And so on top of that, there's a stretch of like what do I need to eat?

“Yes. And it can be highly confusing. Very confusing. Yes. That's why this book is a nice”

guiding light in all of this. Your book is called nine months that count forever how your pregnancy diet shapes your baby's future. I want everyone to make sure they check this out. You also told me beforehand that you had a miscarriage before, right? What was that experience like for you? How did you navigate and overcome it and process it? And how did you step into the, you know, having your son after going through that experience? I mean, talk about anxiety, man.

So I was kind of a first time. And at no point did I think anything bad could happen.

I had no, there was nothing in my field, nothing in my mind. I never thought anything wrong

would happen. You're young, you're healthy, you're even all the right thing. And so the moment of the first positive pregnancy test, I told everybody, everybody, I didn't know. I was like, oh, I guess people wait three months, but I just, I was like, oh, this isn't a plight of me. I just had no concept happening. Yeah. So all to sound, there's a hard beat. I'm like, oh my quite great. Yeah. Baby's going to be born in December, blah, blah. And I'm due to go to the second

ultrasound. It was that three months. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, everything's fine. And I show up. And they start the doctor starts the ultrasound. And this image pops up on the screen. And instantly, I just knew the US. I was like, something's wrong. Because the embryo had not grown since the last time. And it was sort of at the bottom of the screen, kind of you could tell that it was, oh, yeah. So yeah. And so I learned that I had had what's

called a silent miscarriage, meaning in normal, quote unquote, miscarriages, you bleed. And you, your body exposes the pregnancy naturally. My body didn't not do that. So I learned at the ultrasound that I had been walking around for three weeks, thinking I was still pregnant. But the embryo had stopped developing three weeks ago. Oh, my gosh. So entire life comes crashing down. I mean, like just the emotional shock of that was unlike anything I had at the experience. It was just,

I, I don't even have words. I remember this one sentence. I said to my husband, and that's the best

“way I can describe. I said, if emotions could kill, I think I'd be dead. The level of despair that I”

spiraled into for the better part of like a whole month was just, it was so painful. So I had to have a surgery where they take the embryo. Oh, that's right. Yeah. It was a whole thing. And so how did I process it? Um, I was just extremely difficult. Very, very different. And all of a sudden, you see pregnant people everywhere. Oh, you know, they're happy. Yeah, they're happy. All of a sudden, you're like everybody's pregnant around me. Oh, no. Everything, it was so painful. I'm

said, so I honestly, I didn't cope very well. I started drinking a lot of coffee and just working a lot and tried to get my mind off it. Really? Yeah, I was like, I was numbing, completely numbing. And then, you know, I spoke to my therapist, my husband and I have really supportive friends, but it was just a very difficult process. And two months after that, I was in, I was in two months. One part of me was still greeting and still incredibly sad. And the other part of me was like,

“I think I want to try again. And I was wrestling with this thing of like, do I need to be healed”

from the miscarriage? It's literally or emotionally. emotionally. Before I'm allowed to try again, I don't know. I had a sense of like, do I need to heal myself before I can try again? And I realized

that no, that that grief was always going to, worse, God is going to be there. And it was probably

going to coexist with a new pregnancy. Oh, man. And so I got pregnant again, rather quickly in two months. And I was extremely anxious that it was going to happen again. It was awful because again, I had no external signs of anything wrong. And until your baby starts kicking out like months five or something, you have no clue what's going on. Were you checking your ultrasounds every month? I was going to the doctor almost every week.

I was incredibly anxious, very, very, very anxious. I would cry all the time, like for, you know, for 48 hours after before each ultrasound, I would be crying and sobbing. Security was going to happen again, walking to the doctor's office. I was crying. Everything was fine every time, but it was horrible. Yeah, emotional. Horrible. And until my son was born,

and I could hold in my arms, I was still anxious. Because you're like, you never know, I guess.

Never know. So it was very, very difficult. And what I realized is that we don't talk about pregnancy loss at all. And when this happened to me, I noticed some crazy things. Like, all of these people close to me had experienced this. And we're just telling me now. They never shared it before. Like my mom was like, oh, yeah, I had three minutes surgery. I was like, what? My grandmother, I had five. It was like what? You know, tongues on tie. But it's taboo.

Nobody knows how to handle it. And it's a heavy thing. It's, it's heavy. But yes, I guess it's heavy. But look, when somebody goes through grief in another form, people kind of know how to handle it. So heavy things happen all the time. But the heavy things that we're okay talking about are easier to handle. So I, in my book, I talk about all of that.

“My entire story, because I wanted to put it out there, because the only thing that made me”

show that I want to was going through that was to talk to women who had gone through that as well. Not holding on to it. Yeah. And to hear that, like, many people around me had had a miscarriage. And then it's successful pregnancy afterwards. Oh, that's good. So this hope, do you feel like you've, or where are you on your healing journey of that? Honestly today, I actually good. I feel like I've processed it. But it was probably one of the darkest

moments in my life. Yeah. But today, I feel fine because my son is here and he's okay. Yeah. I mean, it's happy. Yeah. So in a way, I'm like, okay, I can't have a healthy baby. Like, this is possible. And maybe it'll come back up at some other point, writing it in the book was also a very cathartic and talking about it a lot. What's cathartic? But it's very, very

challenging. Yeah. I mean, something like, guys, we'll never know what that feels like.

Yeah. You know, we'll never know what that feels like. But their wives are a cute lot of concern through that. Yeah. It's a very isolating experience. I can imagine.

“Wow. I mean, but I think a lot of women, even if they haven't had a miscarriage,”

it sounds like what is very common for pregnant women after the delivery of baby is postpartum, depression, and some form of come down. Even though you have this beautiful miracle and gift that has come into your life. But, you know, even my wife, Martha, she's the most positive person I've ever met. She has tools. She goes to therapy. She's been doing these things for years. But she had, I guess, was pre-diabetes, majestational diabetes, like symptoms during the

pregnancy, and then pre-clampsia. And it was, it was rough for her for about six weeks. And she is super positive and has the tools and has support and families there. And, you know, has a, you know, supportive husband. All these things are there and it was still challenging for her. And still moments now. But a lot of women don't have all that support. And they go through extreme postpartum depression. Did you experience that? And how can we serve moms who have delivered

“babies on how to set themselves up for success after the delivery to minimize those things?”

I think food is a big tool. Yeah. Because your baby will, you know, suck a lot of your reserves in your body and will. Up to a point. So for example, if you eat zero colon, your baby will take

a lot of colon from you up to a point. Because nature always wants to make sure the mom

survives too. Yeah. Yeah. So if you and your pregnancy depleted, muscle loss, no colon, all of your omega-3s, taken from you for your baby's brain, up to a point. Any adult with low colon, no omega-3, low muscle mass and blood sugar spikes and dips, will not feel well. You throw that into postpartum, huge hormonal shift, steep deprivation, isolation. Early motherhood is so isolating. I don't get any change, everything.

Everything? No wonder, recipe for not feeling so good. So if you can use these tools in the book, you'll at least have the nutrition parts, not too depleted after you give birth. It's just very difficult. I don't have a magic one. I also went through. It was very painful. My baby is eight months now, but you know, for the first four months, it was rough. I didn't feel so good. It's very challenging and so many respects. Emotionally, mentally, spiritually, physically,

Like, wow, it was just a vortex, vortex. I feel a bit more stable now,

because he's leading better also. So it's helping. It's just a very tough tender moment of life.

“As a scientist yourself in a researcher, do you have a relationship with God?”

Yeah, I do. How do you wrestle with science and spirituality? I don't. You know? No. I think it's ridiculous to say that the only real things are the things that science understands. I think it's absolutely ridiculous. Look at where science was a hundred years ago. We didn't know about Microsoft, we didn't know about DNA. They still existed. We just didn't have the tools yet. Did you have a relationship with God during and after the pregnancy,

that supported you with the isolation and with the feeling of loss or with the feeling of uncertainty or the scary, like, how did you navigate that? So I'm very, I'm very spiritual. I believe in something greater than me. I don't relate to specific religion, but I'm a very spiritual person. And I believe a lot in my intuition. I believe I can connect with guides. You know,

“I can ask for help. Help comes. I believe I have access to a lot of insights if I can just”

connect and quite myself and get there. I've assigned a bit of a meaning I think now to the miscarriage in a way. And one thing I did after the miscarriage is that I connected spiritually. I tried to connect to my future kids. And I was able to connect with them energetically. I felt like for you had your son before I had my son. And I really, what was that like? Well, it was just me sort of quieting my mind and sitting on my bed and just calling me like, okay, like, kids, if you're

there, like, what's going on? Give me some support, something. Wow. Yeah. And I saw two kids and I was like, okay, what's the meaning behind this miscarriage? And they were like, sorry, that was just not, that's not one of us. That was just, that was a process in a year to happen. But we're good. And that helped. Wow. Yeah. That's a beautiful feeling. That helped a lot. That helped a lot. Speak to your future children or connect emotionally and

you're spiritually with them and have a conversation with them and of sorts. I was had this kind

of stuff. Wow. Even with the glucose work that I did before, I've never talked about this. But

with the glucose work I did before this book for example, I always felt like that idea of blood sugar and glucose. I connected with it and she picked me and she was like, hey, just see this idea. Do you want it? Do you want to enter a relationship with me? And I said, yes, there's no reason for me to have come across a glucose monitor at, you know, 25 years old when I didn't have diabetes when I didn't have any reason to come across it. It was just, I felt like the idea

really wanted to come through me. And so it was a spiritual experience in a way. I have, that's just how I live. I don't know. I feel like there's no one to be able to come through the crazy

“way. That's not the thing. It's crazy. I think it's cool. Thanks. You don't talk about it.”

No, I would love to. I think it's very fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. So do you speak to your other future child? Today? I haven't tried. No. I haven't tried. Maybe I should talk to them and see what I've been. Now one of them is here. So I can talk to him directly. Do you have one more? Yeah. I don't know. I thought I would have many, many kids but now that I've had one, I'm like, well, it's, it's, it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. I'd like to have another child at some point.

Just also because I think my son would enjoy having that experience and I grew up with many brothers and sisters. So I like, you know, I like that and I think it's fun. You're one of what? How many siblings? So I have one full sister and then four halves. Okay. And I'm the oldest. Yeah. Wow. I have six. Wow. So you felt like you feel like you're going to have one more in the future sometime? Yeah. What about you? So I really have to me, I think it's up to Martha. You know,

I, I think I would welcome another child into our family. If she feels like she can physically, you're basically emotionally handle it. And again, she's 43 and so, you know, sure she could have another child in a couple of years maybe. But it was also a lot. It was physically. I mean, we went to the Yard twice. She was in the hospital multiple times and her health and her safety is my number on a priority. Obviously our kids, but not the risk of bringing another child

to like hurt her. So for me, it's not like I have to have this or in my life as over. It's the idea

of it is beautiful and amazing if she is going to be set up for success. And if she wants that,

but if she doesn't, I'm happy as well. And how has your, how has the experience of having kids been spiritual anyway for you? Wow. I think it's got to continue to be more spiritual, the older they get. You know, it's still less than three months. And it's, but even today, I was

hovering over her, looking at her and she just gave me like a little half-smirk and I was like, gosh, it's really beautiful. I mean, it's a beautiful experience. You know, it's like it's something really special. So I can only imagine how beautiful we want to fall to be. You know, how beautiful it will be to be like, wow, you were just an idea. I mean, you were an idea that has been in a spiritual world, that now you're in a physical world or whatever we want to call this world,

but you're here now. And now you're developing little by little and I'm watching it. And it is a beautiful miracle. It's a miracle. It is a miracle. It is a miracle. Yeah, to have both of them. It is

just a gift and to watch their personalities already within a couple of months. It's incredible.

But Martha's with them more. And so she is getting to really experience a deeper at this moment,

“which I think is more important for her than me. And they're sleeping a lot, so it's only”

so much you can do. But they're sleeping on you and I'm like, gosh, it's the greatest feeling. You know, it's like, I use a level of my cat. Sleep on me. Maybe this is like, I'll hold another level and have a human being sleeping your arms that came through your wife. You know, how does it feel for you when you're when you're, when you're sunscreen sleeping on you? Well, he's too big to do that now. You're just like, I can't sleep on me anymore.

Yeah, yeah. It's incredible. It's everything. It's such a complexity of emotion. It's like a bouquet of all the things. It's like the most incredible thing. It's just like so much dopamine and serotonin and like wow, this overwhelm. And also like, this is the hardest thing I've ever gone through. Even though, you know, I'm lucky enough that I haven't had any, like, I have helped et cetera. Yes. It's just, my brain has changed and is thinking about him all the time. And it's just

“really difficult. It's very challenging. It's hard to be a career mom and a mom full time. Right?”

It's hard to like both at a high level. You really need support if you're going to be working on another stuff, I guess. And it's, it demands all of you. Yes. It demands all of you. Yes.

You'll never be the same. No, it's, it's a blessing. I'm so excited. Well, I want people to get

your book. It's called nine months that count forever. How your pregnancy diet shapes your baby's future. And there's a lot of different strategies and science and research in here that's going to help moms or pregnant moms really get clear on what to eat, how to eat. And also know that if you're a mom who already had a child and you felt like you'd mess your kid up, your kid's going to be okay. Like it's going to figure it out. And there's so many things you can course correct

when they're young that you can start getting them on these habits. Now, if there are six months old or six years old. So it's never too late. And like you said, you didn't have a button

“in the oven. You had a seed. And you are the fertilizer to help flourish and help them developing”

grow until they are delivered. And at any moment, you can continue to refer to lies, a human being, at any season or a stage of life. So they can flourish from where they are to where they need to be. So just know that you haven't ruined your kids up if you didn't feel like you ate the perfect way. Again, the book is out nine months that count forever. How your pregnancy diet shapes your baby's future. And if people want more, they can go to glucosegottest.com to get all your content,

your newsletters there. And also glucosegottest on Instagram, glucose revolution on YouTube as well.

You've got amazing products out right now. You've got supplements that help people. If they don't

want to drink vinegar, vinegar, which I don't like, I have some supplements. You can take that with food and actually it'll help you minimize glucose spice. And you've got other products coming out of the future that if they subscribe to your newsletter or subscribe to on Instagram, they'll get notified of what those products are going to be, which I'm pretty excited about. Yeah, I'll send you some of that stuff. A couple of fun questions before I get you out of here.

I asked you this before, but I'm curious now that you're a mom, what your three truths are. So I'll ask the question from the context. You get to live as long as you want in this life. But many years away, it's your last day on earth and you get to create and accomplish anything you want to create. All the products, the business, you have more kids, whatever you want to do, it happens. But it's the last day for you in this earth and you have

to take all of your work with you, all of your content, all of your social media, all of your books that go with you. They don't stick around for us to have. But in the final day, you get to leave behind three lessons to the world. What would those three lessons be for you? Have a savory breakfast. Listen to your body because symptoms are messages and if you're pregnant, eat a ton of eggs. There you go. That's good. Love it. Simple reminders. I want to acknowledge

you just before the transformation you've been on as a mom now and how you continue to show up

of researching these things because you went through it. You went through your own challenges,

pre-prignancy and your 20s and you went through your own challenges with a miscarriage and you said, "I want to find the solutions." So you've turned your kind of pain into solutions for yourself

and others. So I acknowledge you for the book, the work you're doing and the content service

to humanity with what you're sharing. So I appreciate you and my final question is what

“you're definition of greatness? I think this has changed. I think my definition of greatness now”

is peace and contentment because I'm, I think, you know, jealousy is a good marker of like where

you want to go and I'm so jealous of people who are just content. They're just happy. They're like, "I'm content with my life." Yeah. It's not about more, right? It's about that contentment and

“your brain. Yeah. Yeah. I think it helps to have a kid that I feel more content now. Yeah.”

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