#293 Jeremiah Johnston - Codex Vaticanus, Book of Enoch and the Resurrection of Jesus

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Start your test today for your own promo. Let's be caught up. Dr. Jeremiah Johnston, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me, Sean. You're welcome. It's an honor to have you.

You know, I would have been looking at you for a long time. And I just thought this would be the perfect interview for Easter. So we do a Christmas interview. Thanksgiving interview. Easter interview. We embrace all the holidays here. And so we really try to do something really meaningful,

especially on Christmas and Easter.

And the shroud of turn is something that I've been interested in for a long time.

In fact, our mutual friend Lee Strobel,

“I believe is the first time I first person that brought it up to me.”

And I was just fascinated. So thanks. So thank you for coming. Absolutely. And he is a risen brother. That's right. You want to start with a prayer? I would love that. How about you? Lead it. I would be honored. Perfect.

Jesus, your king of kings and Lord of lords. And what we're about to discuss is utterly transformed my life. I pray for every person watching and listening that they would find the hope that the tomb is empty, that you're alive forever. And so we can have a living, undying, undiminished hope.

I pray, Lord, that in this conversation, I can minister to Sean. I pray you'd bless him and meet him at his greatest point of need right now. And Father, we pray that as we share, we would know Lord God that it's not by mine. It's not by power, but it's by your spirit. Sayeth the Lord of hosts. So we start now by just giving you the glory

and asking you to bless this conversation, especially at this wonderful Easter season. And Lord, we say, come soon, Lord Jesus. And we quote John 1419, "You said, because I live, you will live also." So thank you for everything you're going to do. We know that this conversation is going to impact the world. We're excited about it in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you.

So let me give you an introduction here. Dr. Jeremiah Johnston, president and founder of Christian Thinker Society, in serve as a pastor of apologetics and cultural engagement, it pressed in wood, Baptist Church, near Dallas, Texas. PhD from Middle-Sex University in the United Kingdom, where you completed your doctoral

residency at Oxford, an elected member of StudioRum, Novi, Testamenti, Society. The most prestigious New Testament scholarly guild in the world, author of 15 books, including Body of Proof, the seven best reasons to believe in the resurrection of Jesus, in the brand new release, congratulations. Folks right there, the Jesus discoveries,

10 historic finds that bring us face to face with Jesus. Examined to ancient manuscripts with your own hands all around the world, your married to Audrey, you're the father of five children, children, including triplet boys. Have it slept in nine years since then. I was one, I got two and I haven't slept. And I already said this,

“but you know, least reliable, I believe you consider him a mentor,”

a dear friend, I do too. And Lee is awesome. In fact, there's this, I saw the book up there, I saw a swag up there, right on that. And yeah, once again, this is, we're releasing this on Easter, and I just, I mean, it's, it's all about the resurrection. That's right. And so, this is really the perfect episode for that. But, um, so before we get to end

to it, I found out you spoke at Davos at the, at the World Economic Forum, how the hell did you get invited to that place? I mean, that's one of those places where, I mean, I probably shouldn't say this. I get blessed. I've been blessed. Jesus just doesn't

people over there that believe in them. Well, you did a really great show recently with the

exercises. And he mentioned the Antichrist quite a bit. And my wife let me know that Davos, I was giving the gospel to all the people that are going to work with the Antichrist some day.

“Pretty much. That's what I think. I was invited to by Rich Strongbach. He leads the USA”

house. So he brought the administration there, Trump, the State Department, 80 heads of state, were there. And we started in 1971 by, of course, the corrupt Klaus Schwab. They just replaced the current president for being in the Epstein files as well. So they're without a president. And Mr. Strongbach, who is a dear friend, had seen my material on the resurrection of Jesus. And he had a conversion in 2026. He used to do, I mean, vanity fair, covered rich. I mean, he'd do billionaire

hot tub parties. I mean, he's Mr. Davos himself. He's a connector. But he had a conversion. He had an experience with Jesus Christ in 2022 that changed his life. So he said the message and he said, "I want you to bring the gospel and the evidence and the receipts for the resurrection to Davos." And so Jillian Ted, editor of Financial Times, Provost of King's College,

“Cambridge University, interviewed me at USA House with a Washington Post sponsored”

that our session. If you can believe that, it was shocking to me. You can watch it all on YouTube. And I gave all the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. And I made this point because these are crypto CEOs. Some of the best businesses and also some of the most corrupt people on Earth. I learned at Weft that it's really not governments that run the world. It's these multinational companies that run the world, not governments. But I wanted to make it clear that this idea of

forgiving debts, this idea of free enterprise, these ideals that built Western civilization, come from one event horizon, the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. That message rehumanized humanity, ideas of loving your enemies for giving debts that didn't come from Marxism, that didn't come from socialism. Of course they're all looking at me like this. And Davos, I said that the event horizon is the resurrection of Christ. Wow. How do they invite me back next

year? Are you serious? I'm just going to ask, how did how do you think they took it? You got an invite back? Want me to run the whole faith section for next year. They have a faith section. Now they do. So that's awesome. I felt like Paul on the aeropagus. If you've read X 17, if you've been to Athens, some mocked, but it some believed. How do you feel? I mean, did you

did? I had reeling being. I had, well, how did it feel? First off, I have a chapter in one of my books.

Why don't feel my faith? Because my feelings betray me all the time. I had to just keep following truth because I had more demonic spiritual warfare on me that week than I've ever had. I gave three presentations at Weth and could not wait to get home. But we'll kind of spiritual attacks. You want to talk about anything that anxiety. Yeah. Wanting to deliver, wanting to get done and make sure that I said everything I wanted to say or the Lord, understanding that this is the first time

in 55 years. Jesus has ever been mentioned at the World Economic Forum. And just the weight of that. But greater is he who's in me than he is in the world. First John 44. So I later watch that. I don't even remember answering the word. It was just the Holy Spirit. Right on, man. Well, like I would say mission accomplished. If there's a faith sector at the World Economic Forum. Everyone needs the gospel. No one is beyond God's reach. That's the thing. Even the people at Weth, they all need

to hear the truth of the gospel. Man, good for you. That's great. But I wanted them to know. These ideas, these amenities, you know, I drove here in an awesome rental car. I stated a nice hotel

last night with air conditioning. These amenities that we enjoy and free enterprise have not always

been there. They come out of a worldview and they come out of the cut and thrust of the resurrection.

“And that's why the conversation we're having right now is so important for people to get”

what rises and what falls. What are the stakes of what we're talking about? This is not some kind of religious exercise we're doing just because it's a holiday and it's Easter. What rises and falls the stakes of if Jesus rose from the grave is the greatest ex-factor the world has ever known. Love that, love that. Let's talk about the shroud. What is it? I know, we have a right out there. You just ran me through the whole thing. In it is, I mean, it's breathtaking. It's like

it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. Right. You know, for most of us here. And you know, can you just talk about what it is and I'm sure we're probably going to overlay some of the stuff

gifts for you. Can I begin with the gifts? Is that all right? Sure. Do you mind? Because it goes right with the shroud. I'm gifting you, Sean. Let me hand this to you. Don't you can take this. What you're holding in your hand is a replica of the spear that pierced our Lord's ribs through rib five and six. John's gospel accurately records the blood and water spewed out. And that is a exact replica of a Roman spear. Can you imagine that being thrust

through rib five and six? And the signature of that wound, I just showed you is on the shroud of turn. You can actually see it. It almost looks like a figure eight. Bloodpool. It's post-mortem

blood. The blood is already separating because it's dead blood and that is a gift for you to always

“remember that he did that because he loved you so much. Man. And the weight of it, too. And of”

course would have been sharper. Wow. Thank you. Absolutely. And I'm not done. My spirit for gift is giving. So also, one thing I love about your program and love about you in particular is you are you're addicted to truth and you're willing to share the truth no matter the no matter the cost. I have huge regard for you for that because so many people are weak, especially people in the Christian faith. They're so weak. They won't, they won't come on your show. They won't speak boldly

for their faith. And so I have a hand, a facsimile of the most priceless new testament fragment on earth. But there's a reason. I'm not just giving it to you because it's priceless. I'm not just giving it to you because it's the oldest. I'm giving it to you because of what it says.

Now, I first, this is called papyrus 52. P 52. The Gothic P just means papyrus because it is

clearly written on papyrus paper. This was found in the dry sands of Egypt of course. It would last 2000 years. But this is the conversation, Sean. So this is the oldest that we have. It's dated to 125 AD. And if you know when the gospel of John was written, the gospel of John was written in the 90s. So I'm talking about the autograph, the one he actually wrote. So this is a copy of that that was likely circulating when John's gospel was circulating. And what this records and I find

this fascinating. This is the, and here we are in Easter for an Easter broadcast. This is the conversation. And I flips around because again, it's written on both sides of the recto on the verso. Can I read it to you in Greek? This is the conversation Jesus is having with Pontius Pilate.

“And do you remember he asked Jesus what is truth? And Jesus responds right here,”

"Ecc taste a latheus." Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice. And that is the oldest fragment that we have of the New Testament. I've visited it. I've studied it. It's in the University of Manchester. It's in Manchester at the John Rylan's library. So we had this made for you in this frame. But I'm giving it to you because I have such an I joined millions of others. I echo what they say. Thank you for being fearless about seeking truth. Thank you for asking all the hard questions

that nobody else will. I know the price that you pay for that in your family. So I hope that this

will inspire you because truth never dies. Jesus, I spell truth, J.E.S. U.S. by the way. So this is for you.

Man, those who are of the truth here, my voice. Thank you. Absolutely. Of course, Pilate was the first postmodern relative of this because he got, he doesn't use the definite article. He said, "What is truth?" And that's where so many

“are today. And that's why your program is so important. Thank you. I'm not done yet. One more gift.”

One of my favorite quotes is the truth is like a lion sent for you and it'll defend itself. Exactly. Last gift for you. And this is an ode to my time in Oxford. And this is a chapter in Jesus discoveries. This is, and you got to say it like you're a snob from Britain, okay? We Americans would say Magdalene College. You got to say like you're a Brit, Modlin College. This is where C.S. Lewis taught. And of course, all of his colleagues hated him because

he wrote popular books. You know, this is, this is the criticism I get. You know, we academics, we write for dozens, you know, the 12 people in the world that care about our specialty. But now we write all these, I've taken from Lewis, you know, Lewis comes to Christ and averages one

The Screwtake Letters. And I don't know if you remember who he dedicated the book to. I don't Tolkien. And Tolkien, of course, the author of the Lord of the Rings was actually offended. He thought, why is this low-brow, non-academic book that's going to make no impact being dedicated to me? Well, of course, then it makes Lewis a wartime celebrity in America, the Screwtake Letters. So, Lewis taught

“at Modlin College. That's why I'm sharing all this. This is the, I've just given you the oldest fragment.”

This is the second oldest fragment, which I held in my hands for the first time in 2009.

In the shame, and I want to get into this, the shame about all these fragments is so few people actually ever see them. When I signed my name to see it, I was like the second person in a year who had seen this. Okay. So this is called the Jesus fragment. I have a whole chapter of it in the Jesus discoveries. This was found in 1901. And it's called the Jesus fragment, because this is the first New Testament fragment that we have that actually has the name of Jesus on it. It's the

earliest witness to Matthew's gospel that we have. And again, speaking of Easter, this is the conversation of what we call the words of institution. This is the last supper. So all of this is Germany into what we're talking about, and it's dated to the second century. So my last gift for you is P64, or what we call the Jesus fragment.

Wow. Man, thank you. Oh, my pleasure. This is amazing.

And that's the size. That's an actual fact, similarly. These amazing scraps. Found in the dry sands of Egypt, literally in trasheeps that are now priceless. Wow. But I've got more cool stuff. We're going to do all kinds of shows. Yeah. People got to watch this whole broadcast and then share it with everybody. You got something right next to you right now that nobody in the world has, which I'll share later. So back to your question about the shroud.

You said, what is the shroud? What is it? Okay. Well, I used to be the biggest, I used to be the biggest skeptic of the shroud. So I did my PhD on the resurrection of Jesus. What they call it, 93,000 word, Uber Lee Farong's Gashista of Resurrection. That's German for a history of resurrection belief in the Judeo Christian motif. So I have traced belief in resurrection from the earliest parts of Hebrew Bible through Lake at Lake Second Temple, Judaism, through the Inter Testamental period,

through the New Testament, and then where it finds its fullest expression in second century Christianity. So I'm an expert in resurrection belief. Okay. I'm already putting you to sleep. Just explain that. But that's my academic pedigree. In that entire training where at Keeble College, I would attend faculty of theology. I defended my thesis to Professor William Telford who began my viva, you know, everything's in Latin and Oxford. You began my viva by saying,

Jeremiah, let me just get one thing straight. I've read your whole, every other word he's saying is Latin, and I'm not sure what he's saying, but he was complimenting it. But he said, I have to ask you one question. Do you actually believe the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus happened and he paused? And he said, or is that just a imaginative storytelling? And I said Professor Telford, thank you for the question. David Hume said, wise men choose probabilities without a doubt.

“I believe Jesus physically bodily rose from the grave. I can't believe it. Otherwise, the evidence”

compels me to believe it. And he said, back, this is a Bible scholar. And he said, I don't see it that way. Let's start your viva. And he later passed me with commendation. So in that entire history of being in Oxford three years, I was conditioned that the shroud was a Catholic relic with no scientific backing that was 700 years old based on a carbon 14 dating. It turns out when you look at it, the shroud of turn is scientific proof of the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And I believe that based on the evidence and the 102 academic disciplines that have studied over 600,000 research hours in it, I believe that because I'm not irrational. Wow. Wow. So I went

from skeptic to believing in it based on the science. And here's what I like to tell people.

How long did that take? That took three years for me because I had to do the research. A lot of us were YouTube smart. We know a sound by, but we don't know the substance. And so I would call up the scholars. I've flown all over the world. I've met with the physicist. I've met with the mathematicians. I've met with the world's elite scientists. Sean, they don't have a theological acts to grind. They're not pastors. They don't want it to be true. They're just

“following the evidence where it leads. And that's why when I meet with Bruno Barbaris. And by the way,”

the irony of his name is not lost. I may have mentioned that in the Jesus discoveries. Bruno Barbaris

He's seen the shroud over 100 times in turn. It's in turn. We should mention that. It's in northern Italy. You can fly to Milan, take the train an hour, see the Alps, beautiful and joy train ride, and all the sudden you're in turn Italy, where the shroud is at the St. Giovanni Cathedral. So there's Bruno Barbaris. He takes all of the information that I just showed you on the cross. The wound patterns, the crown of thorns, and he assigns as a mathematician a probability to it.

And Bruno says, Jeremiah, there is a 1 in 200 billion chance. It is not the historical

Jesus. 1 in 200 billion, based on his mathematical probability. And so then I asked them because,

“you know, people are dumb. And sometimes you have to ask questions to bring your audience”

along or they just need to hear it a different way. I said, so Bruno, are you saying that you believe that this was the Jesus of the Bible who was crucified and who this image is, he said, yes, how can I not believe that the probability compels me to believe. He put his hands up like that. And so the shroud is mentioned in all four gospels. All four gospels tell us that Joseph of Vermithia and Nicodemus, two members of the Sanhedrin, ask pilot for the body of Jesus.

pilot is shocked that he is so quickly done. We can talk about the brutality of crucifixion later

if you want to. And this was an amazing act of courage and faith because according to

Jewish tradition, if the Sanhedrin condemned a criminal to death, it was on the Sanhedrin to bury that criminal. Jesus is not buried honorably, but he's buried properly. Does that make sense? He's not given an honorable burial. He's given a proper burial. And Joseph of Vermithia, who is a wealthy man, has a linen shroud of fine linen. He didn't go out to Walmart. You know, the Walmart or Target wasn't open on Friday afternoon before Shavat and Passover, okay? He had already

purchased this for his own death planning. In fact, he said, better yet, we'll use my family tomb. So, a lot of this was just expediency because according to Jewish burial traditions, which I'm an expert in, you had to bury on the day of death before nightfall. This is Shavat and this is

“Passover. That's how we can date. We can talk about how we can date the crucifixion. We know the”

exact date of it. So, they wrap Jesus' body in this fine linen shroud, which is called sinnedin in Greek, according to the Greek New Testament. Then they use Athonia, that's another Greek word, strips. So, they wrap the whole body with fine linen, one continuous sheet, and then they wrap the feet in the hands and probably even the face just to, so your body, just to protect the to dignify the body. They place that 200 feet away in Joseph of Vermithia's family tomb. He's in the tomb

for 39 hours, Sean. And then something absolutely miraculous and powerful happens. According to my other friend, Paulo Delazero of the Neil Laboratories outside of Rome, the amount of energy it would take to see what I just showed you on the shroud, an image, that is superficial. It's only

“0.02 microns then. We could shave it off Sean with a knife. That's how superficial the image is.”

Science is proven. It's not paint. It's not pigment. It's not dye. There are no brush strokes. It doesn't absorb like the blood does. Why? The blood was there before the resurrection. This superficial image is there. Paulo took five years, of course, I've met with them, interviewed him. In Paulus's Jeremiah, it would take 34,000 billion watts of energy, traveling at 140 of a billionth of a second to change the chemical makeup of a fine linen shroud to leave that image.

And he said, "We don't have that power on Earth." So a nuclear event happens on Sunday, April 5th, 8033. And that's why I tell people the shroud of turn is not a death cloth. It is a resurrection cloth and better yet. It is an itemized receipt of how much Jesus loves you, Sean.

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last, go to drinkag1.com/srs. What do you mean by a nuclear event? What do you mean by that? You mean he just dissipated out of the... That is a great question. What I mean by a nuclear event? I'm saying that in short form, because according to the physicists, the amount of energy it would take, because there's no pigment, because there's no dye, because there's no paint. Science has proven

“and published that. Science has to ask, how is this image there? And there was a chemical change”

to the shroud, that if it would have been lasted longer than 140 of a billionth of a second, it would have just... It would have scourged. It would have just burned up. It would have been gone. And so for the physicist watching, this is called 40th of a second, one 40th of a second. So it was a cold power that I mean faster than a blink of an eye, 140th of a billionth of a second,

but it was the amount of energy, 34,000 billion watts. And he has a weapons clearance,

followed to Lazarus. So he works with one of the most powerful lasers on earth. And I actually have, they grew, finally, and they grew a sample. It took five years to get a first century model of a shroud, and they would beam their lasers, and they were only able to change a postage size stamp. Size. You just looked at a 14 by 14, 3 by 7 full shroud that has an image on it. We don't have that power on earth. So here's how I like to put it. It's the big bang created the earth. The resurrection

of Jesus Christ was the big bang that resurrected and redeemed the earth. And you and me. Wow.

“That's what I mean by a nuclear event. It's the best way to explain it. And so I've met with the”

scientists. You would love this from Sandy Labs. I've met with the scientists from Los Alamos Laboratories. No kidding. The Jet Propulsion Laboratories. These are the greatest scientists on earth. So in the shroud, one of the really fascinating things that I've not been able to share on other shows is we have to ask like, what kicked off the scientific exploration of the shroud? Do I have a minute to share this as an article? This is unbelievable. In 1976, two physicists are at Sandy

Labs, Eric Jumper and John Jackson. They're at the Air Force Academy. They're physicists, they're professors. They have an VP8 image analyzer. Have you ever heard of a VP8 image analyzer? I have not. Okay, a lot of people haven't. This is where the nuclear bombs are being developed and with more precision. The VP8 image analyzer is designed to study what happens to the surface of the earth after a nuclear explosion. It actually looks at depths of the light field to photography all of that.

Well, this guy has a VP8 image analyzer and he takes a photo of the shroud from 1931, the on-ray photo. I had mentioned, we'll talk about the different photos that have been taken to the shroud. So he doesn't have the actual shroud. He just has a photo of the shroud that he puts through the VP8 image analyzer in 1976. Sean, they are blown away because there is a 3D encoding on the shroud. There is a topography, almost a holographic nature to it, that shows depths of light,

even where there shouldn't be where the body wasn't even touching the shroud. Then they put a picture of like their grandchildren through it. It's a distorted image. No other image on earth has

1976. Just a picture. Incidentally, here's a cool factor. So was that picture a miracle or could you,

“I mean, any fingers would run it? Well, yeah, I mean, a photo. So we could do it on your”

sound. I would do this thing. It would do the same thing with the VP8. There's YouTube videos. You can watch Peter Schumacher, a great YouTube videos to watch and doing this where he can show the depths of light, the topography. And this is where I'm so thankful we have this time because sometimes I don't have time to get to this, how wild this is, how unique it is, how unbelievable, how I explain it is, it is a natural effect, the shroud is of the supernatural event, of the physical bodily resurrection.

Of Jesus. And science proves that. We're not talking in some kind of theological Christianies right now.

I'm quoting physicists. And so that happens in 1976, which the whole world sees and says,

what is this? We cannot explain how a 2000-year-old burial cloth has 3D information encoded in it that looks like a holograph. This is like something out of Star Wars. Yeah, no kidding. So two years later, in 1978, the Sturpe Team, the Shrout of Turin Research Project, comprised of 33 scientists, they go to Turin Italy. They have approval to study the shroud for a little over 100 hours. There's pictures of them, literally sleeping on pots. So they take pictures

of it. They get pollinants, spores. They get all of the samples. And they look at it. And their minds are blown away very short, so I talked to him on the phone. He's now dead. He was a Jew. And he

came to believe that the shroud was authentically Jesus. No kidding. And it took him 17 years

Sean after taking the photo in 1978. So he tells me this firsthand. He says, Jeremiah, we're down in the lobby of the hotel, having drinks. And just laughing, thinking, man, we got a free trip to Italy out of this deal. Give me 15 minutes in the scientific method. And we will prove the shroud is a forgery. After 15 minutes and after one day, no one was laughing. They slet next to it. They said, we can't explain this. But what got berries? And so berry gives the Ted

talk on the shroud. So I called literally the Ted talk on the shroud was given by berry shorts.

“That's how I got my replica. I acquired my replica of the shroud from berry shorts. God bless”

them. But what turned him and convinced him was the blood type. I just showed you that there is blood all over the shroud. Do you want to know what the blood type is? Well, it's the blood type. Type AB blood. What's the nid if it gets to that? The significance is if there was ever a priestly line of blood, it would be type AB blood. The the the fewest amount of people in the world have type AB blood. It's somitic. It's only 6% of the world's population. It's human blood.

And what's even crazier is I've a chapter, but actually a chapter contributed at the end of the book by my friend scholar Doug Powell. We have the face cloth of Jesus, which I can get into if you want. It's been in OVA to Spain. It's called the Sudarium. That's another Greek term. Face cloth that wrap the face of Jesus. Guess what the blood type is on the Sudarium. That's been there since the 7th century. AB blood. So if you're a medieval forger, how are you going to know

about AB blood? How are you going to be able to, you would have to kill someone, Sean. You would have to torture them. The hematological reports, you're getting me all excited now in this conversation. The hem, it gives me chills to this day because it does take your breath away. The hematological

“reports that have studied the blood. The peer review journals show that Jesus, who I believe”

is the man of the shroud, he was experiencing high levels of ferretine so much so that he was experiencing organ failure before he even got to the cross. His creatinine was off the charts. It is a miracle he even made it to the cross. Based on the demonic flogging that he experienced and so all of this is there. There's a criminologist by the name of Max Fry and he takes pollen samples from the shroud. And do you know what he finds out? There are 58 pollins on the shroud.

38 of them are from Jerusalem. They only bloom in springtime during Passover. The rest of the 20 pollins follow the provenance of where the shroud has been for the last 2000 year. Are you serious? Yes, according to Max Fry, so 38 of the 58 pollins on the shroud only bloom in springtime. We know Jesus' crucified. It's the best established fact of the ancient world. On April 3, 83, Sean, if we cannot believe that Jesus was crucified under Roman crucifixion based on the sources

resurrection is the best evidential fact established from late antiquity and the evidence bears that out. Wow. Wow. Yeah, that is. I want to go back to the nuclear. Yes, please. So.

So how? I mean, they didn't lift the shroud up. It was a nuclear event in 14th of a million

of a second correct according to them. And then he's out. Right. Where does he go? So this is what happens. Early Sunday morning, the women are coming to the tune. We know from the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Again, this is April 5 and what's cool about our broadcast this year. Easter Sunday happens to be April 5. So we're talking about the exact day. Man, 2332. This is 83. Probably not a coincidence. I'm here to blow your mind, by the way. So I'm here to blow everyone's wrong

because the truth of the resurrection should blow our minds. So the women are going there. We know according to the Jet Propulsion Laboratory that sunrise on that Easter Sunday would have been a

crisp morning in Jerusalem. The women are hurrying to the tune. Why? For Jewish burial traditions,

Jesus was buried with such haste. He dies at three, sundown, six p.m. Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus only have three hours to get his body off the cross to get it buried and to get it

“in the tune. So they did not have time to complete the bodily washing. That's why the women are going”

to the tune Sunday morning. Sunrise is at 543 in the morning, according to the Jet Propulsion Laboratory on Sunday morning, April 5, 80, 33. They're going there very, very early. They're shocked because the tune, which would have weighed 2,750 pounds, the stone cover. I've seen of similar one right down from the King David Hotel. We're Mary Omni was buried. It wasn't good to be one of her the greats wife. He loved to kill his wives. One said it was better to be

her the greats pig than a member of his family because he was such a paranoid person would kill his family. So rich tomb covers are like that. They're hard to move. The women of this day would have been four foot 11, 90 pounds. Remember their worried Sean, who will move the stone away for us? He's kind of shocking. He's buried in a rich man's tomb and new tomb. This was Arimathea's

“tomb Joseph's. They get there. The tomb has been covered, has been blasted away. And I think that's”

part of what happened. I think the energy, this nuclear event, that brought Jesus's physical body back to life, just blew the tomb or wide open. And so Jesus emanates. I want to make this very clear because I had to understand this. I'm thinking to myself, okay, I'm trying to understand. Does he raise from the dead and then like Lazarus have to take off his grave clothes? Like what had no? His body literally emanates through the shroud. So the shroud we've actually created this in AI.

The shroud would have just like just kind of collapsed. And he would have looked down and seen the shroud walked right out of the tomb and he starts with all what we call the appearance tradition. This is the eyewitness appearance tradition. So we have empty tomb tradition for Easter. And we have appearance tradition. We have two lines of witness of the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus. Of course he appears to the women first. And Sean, this is what I write about in my book.

If you and I wanted to event to invent a religion, if we wanted to write the resurrection story, the gospels, we never would have written it the way it's written. Because everything about it is humiliating and embarrassing. I actually give a paper, if the gospel writers invented the story of Jesus, one that would have been culturally acceptable, they did a terrible job. So Jesus

“appears to women, because remember Jesus will rehumanize people. This is the beauty of the gospel.”

Everybody watching, not right now, whatever you're going through, Jesus will rehumanize you.

He will give you a hope that never dies. First Peter one three says that,

"Because of the resurrection of Jesus, we have a living hope." And that's something I need right now. I need a living hope. I don't need something that I can vibe. I don't need anything that I I need as a crutch. I need a living hope. And there's something about the fact of the resurrection that gives us hope. The Greek word for hope is El-Peace. It's used in the Greek New Testament a hundred times and it's always tied to the fact, not the feeling, to the fact of Jesus' resurrection.

There's something about the resurrection that energizes us. So that 1 Corinthians 15, 58, after 57 Magisterial verses on the resurrection, pauses, therefore, be strong, be vigilant.

everything we do for Christ's matters. That's beautiful.

Man, where are we going for Para? I'm just going. I'm just going. So I'm telling the long story right here. Well, so the shroud, what I want everyone to know, 102 academic disciplines have studied it. And the reason that I say it is an itemized receipt of how much Jesus loves us is because financial terms are used Easter weekend. The scriptures say that we've been ransomed. It says we were bought at a price and oh, what a price it was, the blood of Jesus. It says we've been redeemed.

“It says we were bought. These are all financial terms. I don't know if you remember Sean the last”

word of Jesus on the cross. We hear it in his native Aramaic tongue to tell a style. That's a financial

term, paid in full. And so when I look at the shroud, when I study the brutality of what Jesus did for you and for me on the cross, I am stunned. It's an itemized receipt of how much Jesus loves us. It brings to mind Romans 5A, but God, and this is what people don't know because they don't know the Greek New Testament. It is written in the continuous present tense. Romans 5A says, "But God continues to show His love for us and that when you and I were sinners,

He sent His best Christ to die in our place." That's the beauty of the gospel. Jesus is treated as if He lived your life and mine, so God can treat us as if we lived the life

“of Jesus. And that's what we call grace. It doesn't make sense. It's too good to be true and that's”

why it's good news. That's why it's the gospel. And so what a demonstration it was and what I want you to know Sean, what I'm praying and was praying this morning is that I want you personally to have a new understanding of how much Jesus loves you because that's what it did for me. It took my breath away. We all need reminders. Does God really love me? I mean, I've sinned for the 7,000 times. You know what Paul said in Romans 7, the things I hate to do. This is what I've

printed on my golf balls. By the way, I do what I hate. I don't do what I want to do. I print him on all my golf balls. The Romans 7. But that's Paul's frustration, right? We're still sinners. We need forgiveness. And we need to be reminded. And if we're not careful, Easter can be

“so, uh, it's another Easter Easter egg. I'm going to get a good church. No. You have to be reminded”

of how much God loves you. And so I brought something that I want to hand you. Now, when I was at the World Economic Forum speaking, people were looking at me weird and I was wondering why and I didn't realize that I had punctured my hand with the crown of thorns. So I'm sitting your speaking lecturing and I blood dripping down my hand. So I want you to be careful. Okay, I thought you were going to say, you know, you have all this stuff and they're all wondering

where your statue of Bethlehem it is. We are so influenced by medieval Christian art. Unfortunately, the effeminate Jesus, the meek Jesus, the weak Jesus, the Jesus would no beard. He's not a Jewish Jesus. We don't realize how influenced we are by medieval Christian art. Jesus was a man's man. He traveled over 20,000 miles in his ministry, probably weighed 180 pounds, physically fit

man, 5, 10 to 6 feet. By the way, we have tombs with much taller men from the first century.

So these people that at me, oh, that's too tall for Jesus. No, actually in the tomb of Yahohan and we have someone who's taller than Jesus, who is crucified. So in medieval Christian art, I don't know if you've seen this before, but we see this crown of thorns and it's like a reef. It's like a sweat band, something you'd wear working out. And we think, oh, that's cute. No, the Romans wanted to humiliate Jesus. Not only is he crucified completely naked, but the

scriptures tell us that they fashioned a crown of thorns. And this is a crown. This is a helmet. This is a, this is truly a dome, a cap of thorns. And this is what puts it beyond all doubt. I'm an expert in Roman crucifixion. We have one exemplar of all the crucifixion examples that we have from antiquity. We have only one exemplar of someone that was crucified with a crown of thorns. And that's Jesus of Nazareth. These are three inch Bethlehem thorns, Sean. They're extremely

describe it to you. Will you process it? The scriptures say that sacrifices and offerings you did not require, but a body you prepared for me. And this is a replica which matches because we have 30 to 50 puncture wounds on the head and the scalp of the crucified man. Often joke that people, yeah, try it on, see if it works. It definitely does. Those are Bethlehem thorns as sharp as nails. And this is what was thrust on Jesus head. I want to make sure and remind you, Sean,

of the chronology. Jesus's first flagged. He's beaten. Well, I have the flagrem here. I'll show you

700 times. Then they put the crown of thorns on his head. Pontius Pilate stands up next to Jesus.

“Remember his wife warmed him and then dream. Have nothing to do with this man. And yet Pilate says”

at Joe Homo in Latin, behold the man. In the crowd, full of Jews began to yell, crucify him, crucify him. They want him dead. Keep in mind they had just seen Lazarus raised from the dead. This is why the most dangerous place you can get is to stop seeking truth. So I love your program. You show

us truth, no matter the cost. They put this on him and can you imagine the humiliation, the pain,

and this is so nasty. I don't think humiliation would even be in my mind. But you know what? I see Sean. So painful. I see love because it should have been my head in that crown. But it wasn't. I have four sons. I would die for them. I certainly wouldn't give them for anyone. And yet the Bible says, Jesus let me so much when I was at my worst, God sent his best for me. Who put his head in that crown that I deserved. And that is the beauty of the gospel. That is the beauty that

the gospel sets us free of our sin. And we live on purpose for purpose because we know that this

“life is not what we're living for. We're living for the new heaven, the new earth, the resurrected king.”

Man. Tell me what you're thinking, holding that. I'm thinking about how bad this would help painful. This would be. And I know you know you know pain on it on their head on his head, you know, like just you know violence, you know pain. I want to get your impression of it. I mean look at that. You know how much force they would have to do just to get that around your head. I mean. Now. I have something very cool to show you because this is Easter weekend. I've just acquired this.

This, Sean, is an actual crucifixionale from the first century that was used to execute criminals

“of Rome. And when you hold it, I want you to do what I've done. I want you to put it at your wrist.”

These spikes are interesting because they were so valuable to the Romans. They were often reused to be like if you could reuse bullets to kill someone. They would reuse these again and again.

Far more valuable than the criminals they execute. And it's amazing what a man can do to another

man and violence. And when I look at this, I see an excruciating instrument. That's by the way that term excruciating Latin is from crucifixion, the cross. But I want you to notice something. I mean can I hand you this? I want you to hold this. One. As you're holding that, I want you to notice that it has a square shaft. So without a doubt that's first century. This was unearthed in Jerusalem. Jerusalem is the Syrian province of Rome. We have 21 different evidences of individuals being nailed

to the cross. The top of the nail would have been square at one time, but it's been hammered so much into its victims. It's almost been circularized. But Sean, if you look closely, do you notice how there is a bend in the nail? Do you know why that is? Why? The Romans wanted to minimize

adjust the nails while you were on the cross just to inflict greater pain. So after crucifying,

“I don't know how many victims, this nail, this iron spike over time begins to wilt even under”

that pressure. I want you to put it against your wrist and just imagine, and I want you to let some scripture wash over you. Think about the Messianic Psalm 22 verse 16, "They pierced my nails and my feet." David sees that prophetically a thousand years. Of course, this is before crucifixion was even invented. We see this in Isaiah 53, and you're holding in your hand a nail. And in you, it struck me as I research this. The nails that Jesus died with were probably, they had probably

been used on other people that did deserve it. These were nails that had been used to kill others, but he was not deserving of death. There's DNA on it. There's rust and his sinless blood. And here's

“the beauty of it. Those nails did not keep Jesus on the cross. His love for you and me kept him on”

that cross. What do you mean by that? Jesus could have called down a legion of angels at any moment, but he wanted to go to the cross. The Bible says in Luke that he set his face like Flint to go to Calvary. This was no accident. Jesus came and he gave that message, the greatest mission, message. I have come to seek and save all who are lost. He said, if I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself, and he was lifted up in a torturous way. So no, the nails people think that kept

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triplets who are nine. Mel Gibson got so many things right, but not everything is correct. You know, the new one's coming and I can't wait. Yeah, bro. The film on it right now. Yes. So, again, Holly Resurrection. Yeah, and I love that. And I love Dallas Jenkins, the chosen. I have no problem with creative license, but people need to know that's just an approximation.

“They don't realize, and that's why this conversation needs to be shared. People need to know”

the brutality of what Jesus went through for us. There was no pedestal that he was standing on. My friend Scott Stripling, the archaeologist who endorsed my book, The Jesus Discovery, has proven and shown that the victims, forgive me, for holding up my foot, they were crucified through the calcanius directly through it. So, if the cross is in the middle, they essentially straddled the cross and the nail goes through the calcanius all the way through and pins him

to the cross. How do we know this? We have any Israel antiquities museum. We actually have the heel bone of poor old Yeho Hanin, John, John, Jonathan, who is crucified under the reign of Pontius Pilate. They had to get a buried before nightfall, Sean. They couldn't get the nail out of

the out of the calcanius out of the heel bone. And so, finally, they just said, forget it,

it's nightfall, just bury the nail with the heel bone and throw it in the ground and throw it in the tomb. So, in 1967, we unearth the heel bone with a wood washer. I have a photo of it that we can show your audience right now that very few people in the world have seen, there's a all-of-wood washer showing that yes, they straddled the cross. So, we're actually talking about four nails, talking about one, two, three, four. So, through the heel bone, through the calcanius,

that shows you what experts they were because our heels are very brittle. These men knew how to crucify you. The Romans didn't invent crucifixion, they perfected it. And so, when Jesus dies, yes, he dies by exphyxiation, but based on the hematological reports, he also died of a massive heart failure. Which is interesting to think about. The blood loss, heart failure. Father, into your hands, I commit my spirit, no one takes my life from me, I give it willingly.

But people need to understand the brutality of it and this shows that. There's something else because we can get so callous. Can I show you something else? Of course, I've just acquired these Romans loved to gamble. Gambling was a huge issue in the first century. And I don't know if you remember in the all four gospels record. So, these executioners, they've got Jesus on the cross,

never mind it's about to go dark for three hours. They're about, you know, the rocks are

getting ready to cry out. And earthquakes getting ready to happen. The veil is getting ready to be torn into. All of this is lost on them. They're so jaded to crucifixion. And so many Christians can get very desensitized to it. I want you to hold in your hands for century dies. Those are dice, unearthed in Jerusalem. Now, I'm not saying those were v dice. Use that Jesus' crucifixion. But these are dice from the first century. They're made from bone. We were in the drive-thru of

Cain's the other day. My triplets and I'm triplets and I'm jacks. My triplets are dead. These stink.

“Subsunder, 2000 years old, they're made from bone. Do you see the numbers punched on them?”

Yeah, they're exactly. It's the same as today's dice. And so I want you to think about that.

You remember what they're gambling for? His clothes. They want his tunic. They want his

fine linen garment. And they're gambling. They're casting lots with bone with bone dice, just like what you're holding in your hand. And again, it reminds me of the cost of what Jesus went through and how for some people though, Sean, no evidence is enough for them to believe.

“Man. So Judas betrays Jesus. And I want to show you something else. This is very important.”

He is betrayed for the price of a slave. Judas 30 pieces of silver. Have you ever hold, have you ever held a Tyrion silver before? A piece of Tyrion silver? I don't believe I have. So this is 14 grams. This was also the temple tax. So I want to explain it to you.

I want you to hold it. This is a full 14 grams shekel.

Readily valuable. That is not a replica. So there's two things that are important here. Number one, that was the currency of the temple. So if you and I were going to pay our temple tax, we would have to go change out whatever currency we had into Tyrion silver. That was made in Tyr. And we would have to pay our temple tax. Now, I don't know if you travel in an actually, but like the worst place you can change money at. It's like the airport. You know,

like the exchange rates rip you off. Well, that times a hundred is what was happening on this southern steps in Jerusalem. And so Jesus comes through any overturns the tables because they're

ripping everybody off. They're doing ridiculous currency exchanges. But that's the currency that you

had to pay your temple tax in. That incidentally is also the silver piece 30 of which were paid to Judas to betray Jesus on that Easter weekend. Wow. And you feel the weight of it. So we know this was in circulation at the time of Pontius Pilate in the 20s AD. You know, I'm, I don't know where you want to go from here. But what I'm interested in

“is what, what was the, what was the final thing that made you a believer in the shroud?”

The fight, that's a great question. How many years did you say? It took me three years to go to complete skeptic because I thought it was a Catholic relic, not an artifact. And it's very important. The shroud is an artifact. And it is an artifact of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus in nothing outside of the Bible does that, which is fascinating. What took me from skeptic to believing that the shroud is authentic because I'm not irrational is the fact that the greatest

scientific minds in the world cannot explain or replicate how there is an image in the shroud. That coincidentally matches with one to one correspondence the exact way that Jesus of Nazareth was crucified. Man. I mean, you talked, you talked to a bunch of scientists though, through that, through that three years. Right. So what was the last thing that you're, it was obviously a challenge for you to believe. You know, and so that's, I mean, I would like to talk about the whole

journey, but the final, I'm just curious, the final thing. Well, it was, so that's really interesting

“you should ask this. So my pastor, Jack Graham, challenged me to speak about what I was learning”

at our Friday morning men's Bible study, and my son was there, Justin, and he really colluded in because this kind of, what we're talking about in your program right now, evidence for our faith, reasons to believe this is what's going to reach the whole next generation. They want to know tangible proof in, in understandable terms, why Jesus is the greatest evidence person of late into antiquity, why Jesus death by crucifixion and resurrection is something we should believe

is the best established fact of the ancient world. And I saw my son clue in on it. So whatever it took to, you know, my greatest passion in life is passing on faith to my children, a true faith. I can't believe for them, but I can put them in proximity to believe with all the power that I have. So I share that day at the men's breakfast, and at that point, Sean, I was like, no, I don't want to put my academic reputation on the line, but let me just share with you what I'm learning so far.

I was hedging myself a little bit. Fast forward to just before the Hamas attack, October 7, I'm in Jerusalem. Sean, I've been in more tombs than any guest you've ever had. I'm probably any person you've ever met. I have filmed in more tombs than anyone else. I know in the world.

Seplicer. I've filmed in the garden tomb. I've filmed in the tombs, Emas, and I copolis. I've filmed

in all kinds of tombs. I know tombs. I know death chambers. I know how people die. I had a day off in Jerusalem. This is just days before the October 7 attack. And I heard about this shroud museum that my good friends at Athonia put on at Notre Dame, not in Paris at Notre Dame in Jerusalem. And I walk through the exhibit. Nobody's there. There's not a guide. But guess what? The Holy Spirit is good at his job. It turns out. And the Holy Spirit was with me.

And I walked through the exhibit just like these things that I'm showing you. And do you know what it was? Well, when I saw the helmet of thorns, it literally took my breath away. It was like everything

I had learned. My PhD journey. Everything I had learned about Jewish burial traditions. It all came

to that moment. And I thought this is authentic based on the evidence. And it physically took my breath away. We say with the writers of the New Testament, what manner of love is this? There's no equation for it.

“And that's what was transformational. And so now, this message, this itemized receipt of the”

shroud of how much Jesus loves us. We've taken this message around the world. If you would have told me then, you'll bring the shroud with you to whiff. I had the shroud with me at whiff. And people are stunned. I'd owes walled boating. My dear friend who's like one of the finest designers in the world. I said, Oh, you like linen, you like garments. Let me show you. Jesus is burial garment. Wow. What was it found? The shroud itself. Yeah. So the provenance of the

shroud is fascinating. And I have a wonderful schematic that hopefully I can show in this and be role. The shroud is taken obviously immediately. Nobody would have left it. And I'm actually working right now on an article. This is, this is interesting. This might blow your mind a little bit. Now, this is speculative. But we have to ask ourselves, in John 20, it says something very interesting. In John 20, verse 8, John says that he saw and believed. By the way, 11 times in John 20,

we're told people saw things. When we talk about faith, we're not talking about faith and nothing. Faith is only as good as it's object. And this is what I love. Edon, the Greek word to see. It's used 186 times in the New Testament. And so I'm hoping that this broadcast opens people's eyes

to the amazing enormity of the evidence of Jesus' resurrection. We have 45 sources for Jesus's

life death burial and resurrection with over 129 facts. In Jesus discoveries, I show how we can build 65 facts about the life death burial and resurrection of Jesus before we ever open our bibles. I want people to unlock this for people. The gravity and the enormity of it. And when I saw that, it all came together for me and it just took my breath away. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that Jesus wanted to leave that behind? God, that was the whole plan? I do absolutely

“found yes. And this is what I'm working on. I believe that the shroud was still glowing in the tomb”

when it says that he saw and believed. I believe there was a resurrection residue on the shroud because what else did he see him believe? He says when he saw the linen cloths lying there, he saw and believed. If you read the whole passage, John 21 through eight, it's very clear. He's looking at the shroud and it says he saw and he believed. I believe he saw the image glowing. Who's he? John. John's gospel. John, remember there's a foot race the women in the appearance

tradition, you know Mary Magdalene. She runs of actually says the tomb's empty. I've seen him, you know, come and see. The Lord is alive. I preached this passage three times at the Holy Seplicor Church when I film there. And so John and Peter have a foot race to the tomb and I love this. Right there in the Gospels, we're told that, you know, every runner loves to tell you

“there a runner, have you ever met a runner that doesn't love to tell you there a runner?”

I think John was a runner because he said he outran Peter the tomb to the tomb. He's sitting there waiting for Peter before he goes in and he goes, he went in and it's one of the greatest verses on all the Bible. He saw the shroud and believed. So you say, "Well, Jeremiah did he not believe in Jesus before that we'll surely did, but we can believe more." This broadcast right now is strengthening faith and it's also reaching the most ardent skeptic right now because

to not believe in the shroud you have to not take into account one hundred and two academic disciplines.

why I mean I have an idea. I don't really understand aerodynamics, but man, I understood enough to get on board the flight and fly here. We have so much more evidence for Jesus' resurrection.

“What is it going to take for you to believe that he rose from the grave and commit your life to it?”

That's actually kind of why I'm asking. Yes. Is, I don't, are we supposed to have proof because it's all about faith, right? It's all about putting such a great question. And yes, we need proof. Are we better than, let me tell you, I, I guess what I'm asking is, I, I, I almost feel like leaving proof behind is almost a contradiction. Yeah, it's not and I'd like to tell you why there would be no such thing as Christianity if those disciples did not see Jesus physically

alive after he was dead. They had all given up hope. Luke 24, 21, remember Cleopis. We think it's his wife, Mary, is on the way to amaze a seven mile walk. And they're, they don't realize they're walking with the resurrected Christ and they're dejected. And they say, oh, we had hope to you as the, was the, was the Messiah, but he was just killed. We had hope. They'd given up hope. The disciples had scattered. No one expected the Messiah to rise from the dead. There could not have been a worst

talking point to start a new religion than resurrection. No one believed in resurrection in the first

century. Even people that say, well, Jews believed in it, they believed in a general resurrection like way out into the future. Resurrection, meaning that someday all Jews would be resurrected by the Messiah. They didn't believe in an individual messianic resurrection. No one saw that coming for Q285, which is a cumeron debts for all, they talk about literally the Jews killing the Roman Emperor. Their idea was that the Messiah would come and vanquish a corrupt priesthood, cleanse the temple, and kill the Roman

“Emperor. That was the Messiah that Jews were looking for in the first century. I think this is why”

Judas fell out of the boat incidentally. Nobody expected him to die on the cross. Remember Matthew 1620. Jesus has just literally Peter is just said, you are the Christ, the Son of the living God, and Jesus is like, that's right, I'm going to go die on the cross now, and Peter rebukes Jesus and says, no, you're not going to go to the cross. And do you remember what Jesus says to Peter? He says,

get behind me Satan. He literally calls him Satan, get behind me. It was always the point that he

would go to the cross. So these people all give up hope. They go back to fishing. We need to make sure that our faith is not more pious than the first Christians. The first Christians needed proof to believe in. Faith is not faith in faith, Sean. It is faith in evidence. It is faith in the facts of the gospel and a person who completed our salvation for us. It is not. So I really help pious believers that are like, oh, I just believe it because the Bible said, well, you're better

than all the first century Christians, they would have given up without proof. This is why the Bible says he showed himself to be alive by many infallible proofs. There's this word called in kippet and Latin. You have a scroll over here that we're going to talk about soon. And you can see that, you know, I've got this beautiful title. I've got this beautiful cover to my book. It was designed. It kind of gives you an idea of what the book is about. Well, scrolls, you had to say what it was about

in the in kippet. The first two or three lines said to say, what? Because otherwise, I mean,

like, that's 24 feet long next to you. That's 24 feet. Yeah, which we'll get to. So it's like, bro, you got to tell me the first sentence or two if I'm going to go to the effort to enroll this whole thing because it takes an effort. And in Luke's in kippet, which just in Latin means here it begins, remember Luke says, I want to share with you. I've put together the evidence of and he uses the word autopetase and Greek, which is the word we get autopsy from. We were eyewitnesses of these

“things so that you can have a certainty to your faith. So that's what the kind of faith we're”

called to certainty based on eyewitness testimony and evidence. So let's not think that faith is like something we drum up or we vibe or we, oh, I just need more faith, man, no, faith is knowledge. The more you know about God, the more you know about the facts that we're discussing for the resurrection, your faith will naturally become stronger. Does that make sense? It does. So faith is only as strong as it's object. I'm sitting in this chair right now. I believe it'll hold me up based

on the evidence. That's all faith is. No one's going to be commended for their amount of their faith. So often, I'm like the dad and Mark 9. Do you remember the dad and Mark 9 who looked at Jesus and said,

for anyone watching right now to say, "Lord, I believe, help my unbelief." Jesus will act in your

“behalf because it's faith in Him based on evidence. So that's why I have this ministry called Christian”

thinker society. Jesus said, "Love me with your heart, love me with your soul." He quotes the shamah, but only can Jesus Messiah and I shamah and He says, "Love me with your mind." Love God with all your mind. It's faith in evidence. Okay. That does make sense. What are we going? Where are we going next? Well, where we're going next? My friend is, I do want to make sure, I want to and I want to make sure since this is an Easter episode that you do understand the flagrum.

Can I hand you this? This is a replica of a Roman flagrum, the scripture say,

and it's one of the most overlooked passages in the gospel of John. It says, "In pilot had Jesus

“flagged." And because of our historical distance, we simply cannot appreciate or understand the cruelty,”

the demonic intimacy. That is Raheim and those are lead balls, fastened to those three chords. That is a Roman scourge and we know based on the evidence that he was scourge with two executioners. And that is when Jesus endures 700 lashes. 700. We have counted on the shroud, 372 lashes, but we do not have the lateral sides. So we estimate, and by the way, every part of his body was flagged, including his pelvic region. There's not an area on his body that wasn't

flagged. In fact, there's evidence that one of those balls came around the face of Jesus, the man who's crucified in the shroud, and literally blinded at one of his eyes. Man, I mean, these things are sharp too, where they put the holes through. So they put the lateral through there. Then you have this wire holding this up. Was this wire? I mean, yes. It could have been bone too, but we're confident that lead balls are what was used

barbells. Would these balls be uptight? Oh, yeah. They were punctured absolutely. And that's where you have the blood. That's where you see bone. You could probably see bone.

It's amazing. Many victims never even made it to the cross. Yeah, when they're flagged.

And this is where we know Jesus loses one third of his blood volume from that vlogging. 700 lashes.

“And that's why Isaiah 53, which is right next to you, says by his stripes, we're healed.”

Isaiah sees that prophetically 700 years earlier. What do we have there? Okay. Sean, the great Isaiah scroll is right next to you right now. This is a fact similarly, because these railies have not allowed anyone to see it since 1968, by the way, the actual thing, until just recently, like within the last few days. So for cent, anyone who's been to Israel to the shrine of the book, and my good friend Aldo Feroidman used to be the curator

of the shrine of the book. So I know this because I've been there and knew the curator. The fact similarly, what you see in the shrine of the book is a fact similarly. This is a fact similarly that my friends at fact similarly additions produce some London. And it is, I want you to touch it. It's open to Isaiah 53 that is column 44 of Isaiah 53 of the book of Isaiah. And you're looking at chapter 53, which most Jews won't read in the synagogue, because it's so prophetically accurate

about what happened to the Messiah. That's the entire book of Isaiah found in Cumran K4. And this fact similarly, from what I know, what we have here at your studio, can only be seen in the Vatican right now. It can be seen at the Bibliothech, the National Library in Paris. It can be seen at the Museum of the Bible. So we have the same fact similarly. They have the Museum of the Bible in DC. And we've got it right here at the Shondra in studio right now. So the value of it is off the charts.

It's 24 feet long. Of course, it's found at Cumran 250. It's 200. It anti-dates Jesus by 200 years, 250 years. And that is the oldest witness that we have to the book of Isaiah. Again, showing the stability of the text, the next book that we have of Isaiah as a thousand years later, and it's essentially

for 250 years before Jesus. So these apostate Bible scholars who act like the New Testament would have just evaporated one set of within 20 years. We would have lost the autograph. That just flies in the face of the facts. That's fake, fake news. And so you read from right to left to whom has our report and to whom is the arm of the Lord been revealed. And that entire column you're looking

“at is Isaiah 53. These are sewn together? Yes, with linen. And by the way, that's why that”

fact similarly, I think is better than the one they have at the East Rowland Technologies Museum at the Shrine of the Book. You can feel the linen that binds them, the parchment together.

That amazing. So if you kept going, you would, by the way, if we kept unraveling it,

we would get Isaiah, where Jesus, do you remember when Jesus preaches in his home synagogue and Luke 4? He goes up and he preaches Isaiah 60. And he says, you know, I've come to let Kept to heal the help the oppressed. And he says today, this is fulfilled in your midst. And he sits down, after reading Isaiah 61, one and two. He reads all of Isaiah 61, one and two, accept the last verse, the day of vengeance of our God. He sits down and he says, this is fulfilled in your midst.

“And in his own hometown, they want to kill him. Because they immediately knew that he was quoting”

Isaiah 61 claiming to be the Messiah. So if we kept unraveling, where Isaiah 53, we would get Isaiah 61, one and two. Not marvelous. Extremely rare. But I wanted to bring that for you to have just

an appreciation of the incredible reliability and authenticity of what happened to Jesus. And

in appreciation, I mean, this is written Isaiah 700 years before Jesus. So that's the great Isaiah scroll. 700 years before before Jesus. And then that scroll itself would date to 250 years before. This stuff is fascinating. Well, I'm just trying to up up the game. I've got to raise the stakes on any other guests you have after me now. I've got to take you done it. I'm scared to touch so that stuff. But I want our audience to lazy. Do you realize that archaeology is Christianity's

closest cousin? As I point out in my book, Jesus discoveries, you know, whereas every other religion on earth, this lawman colluded avoids any interaction with archaeology. Christianity says test our beliefs against history. If Jesus died and rose from the grave, everything he said is true and validate and validated and an absolutely devastating text for Corinthians 157. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, people should feel sorry for us, but Paul says in verse 20, but he has risen

from the dead. Remember Paul saw him on the way to Damascus. By the way, can I mention something about

the light factor back to the nuclear moment? We were talking about 34,000 billion watts of energy

for the shroud image. Every time Jesus manifests himself in the New Testament, he manifests himself with brilliant light. Think about this for a minute. Transfiguration, brilliant light. Everybody wants to stay there. They want to hang out there. Paul gives his testimony. He's on the way to Damascus. And he's going there to kill Christians. And do you remember he has a vision of the physically resurrected Jesus? And in the book of Acts, it says, "It was brighter than the new day sun." Do you

“remember that evidential detail? I have stood in first century realms and roads and filmed on them”

and it is hot. Okay, you're under the sun. It is bright. So he sees Jesus in Jesus' brighter than the new day sun. In the book of Revelation, the Bible says in the New Heaven and the New Earth, we'll have no need of the sun because Jesus will give light to everything. So isn't that fascinating? But it is. We get just a glimmer, just a signpost of that magnificent light that's left behind. And I do believe, Sean, that there is a new revelation tied to the emergence of technology

as we get closer to the second coming of Jesus Christ. In other words, did God plan for this to happen? I think so. I mean, photography is not invented until the 1840s. So Condapia takes a picture in 1898 and sees the shroud image in its negative. I've actually seen his camera. It was on these big glass plates. The exposures took 14 minutes and 20 minutes each.

He was a lawyer. He was a Christian. He develops it and never more appropriately when he sees

the face of Jesus in the negative, which is actually the photo-positive. He goes, "Oh, my God." Because he believed he was looking at the face of Jesus for the first time since the apostolic era. Wow. You know, why where is the shroud down? It's a deterrent Italy. It's not in the Vatican.

“It's in turn Italy. It's in a reliquary. That's what they call it. This is kind of interesting.”

The same company in turn that develops the materials for the international space station built the box, which we call a reliquary. It's a religious term that the shroud is out. So it's totally unraveled. It's in this reliquary. That's about 15 feet long by about 4 feet wide. And it's 99% argon gas, 1% oxygen. And I have news. I have breaking news for your show. The image is fading. What does that mean? The image is going away. Why? Light and oxygen are its greatest enemies.

And so this is why the Catholic Church is redicent. This is why they say the redicent to show it to the public. This is why during the recent Catholic Jubilee, the shroud was not brought out. We had to look at a video for those that went to Turin. The shroud has not been on display very

often. The Catholic Church has never actually come out. And I've published this. This is accurate.

And said that they actually believe it was Jesus' burial cloth. They're supportive of it to an extent. I asked to interview Archbishop Repole when I was in Turin. I was turned down because I wanted

“to ask, why aren't we showing this? I believe the shroud is the greatest scientific evidence that”

we have for the resurrection of Jesus. I mean, you know, the whole point is to evangelize. Why would you hide it? Why would you not let people-- If he didn't believe it was his, then why would why would I mean definitely why wouldn't you expose it to the public? Right. And this is where I want to help correct people. People give the Catholic Church a little too much credit.

The Eastern Orthodox Church protected the shroud for the first thousand years in Constantinople

and beyond. The shroud did not come into Catholic possession until 1985. Are you serious? Yes. I'm dead serious. I publish all of this in the Jesus discoveries. It was bequeathed to Pope John Paul II upon the death of the Savoy family. And they literally gave

“the shroud to the Catholic Pope to be the custodian of it. So the shroud technically does not belong”

to the Catholic Church. It belongs to the Pope himself. I happened to be there at Conclave, which was a unique experience in Turin because the shroud was essentially orphaned at that point. I met with Enrico who changed the gas twice a year in the shroud and even the blood is fading. And so they're very concerned about that. They're concerned about the image fading. But still, why wouldn't you just bring it out and show it? I mean, we have all this technology now.

We have lights that are, I mean, there's ways we can do that. And this is where I'm so thankful that your show is bringing exposure. You have the greatest evangelism, discipleship, tool on earth, the shroud of Turin, and the public needs to see it. Anyone can do a chat GTP search and say, show me the exact days that the shroud has been publicly displayed and they'll be shocked. It's fewer than 30 days over the last several hundred years. Fewer than 30 days in over a hundred

years. So I would encourage the Catholic Church and Pope Leo, who I signed a letter to, to bring it out, let people see it, let people make up their own minds, and not allow the Chentro. That's the group in Italy that gives leadership to who sees it and who doesn't. So I'm very concerned about it and I want it to be shown. And by the way, I want to say this. The shroud doesn't belong to the Catholic Church. It belongs to the unified Church.

It belongs to every believer in Jesus Christ. So yeah, it did not come into, in various shorts made this clear. I was the editor of a journal academic journal, which I summarized in my book. And very made that very clear. It is not a Catholic relic. So many people, especially what you might call Protestants or evangelical Christians. They don't want to know anything about the shroud because, oh, that's a Catholic relic. No, it didn't come into the hands of the Catholic

Church until the 1980s. I don't believe the Catholic Church would have ever allowed it to be studied. Remember it was still in private family hands in 1978 when the shroud of trend research

That was very short, opinion. Who I now believe, having met everyone. So if you have this great tool, why not make it available? That's a great question. I have been one of what else are hiding. Yes. You know?

And why not use it again? So I want to say that, and there are amazing Catholic people out there,

like my friends at Athonia who have great exhibits who I partner with. I mean, there are people out there trying to change this, but they're all dying, Sean. I mean, I spoke at the annual scientific, it was at the Augustan Institute, the International Shroud of Turin conference. I was honored to be asked to speak and everybody there is much older than us. So all of these

“scientists are beginning to die and their knowledge is dying with it. So that's why I'm doing”

everything in my power to raise up this information. Thank you. Thank you for watching. Thank you for letting me bring this information. I was a skeptic. I'm not now. And, and I'm also thrilled that I'm not the only Bible scholar that's believing in it. My Dr. Father Craig Evans, who's the finest Jesus scholar in the English-speaking world, he has 700 publications on Jesus without a doubt believes in the authenticity of the Shroud. Archaeologist Scott Stripling, who has the largest

archaeological dig in Israel without a doubt believes that the Shroud is authentic. Paul Foster, the greatest Bible scholar in Britain, Bart Irman told me that believes that the Shroud is authentic. What's weird though is so many Bible scholars are agnostic about the Shroud because they're minimalists

and they've never really looked into the data. They stay in their academic silos and they don't

“get out of it. And so I'm also speaking to all those Bible scholars out there. Come on, man, bro.”

We've got more evidence for the resurrection. We have scientific evidence. And what's cool, so we have traveled Christian thinkers, we've been on a tour. We did the display at Prestonwood tens of thousands of people showed up at my church. So I thought, man, like the Brail system that it works here, we had to take this everywhere. So whether it's Weft, whether it's Levit Texas, whether it's Nashville, Tennessee, I'm going to be at a great church this weekend with 50 artifacts. We never charge

time for it. It's all free. People come every day. They come here with their friends and their neighbors. We have pop-up banners. We have a bronze statue of Jesus that is just beautiful. We have what you just saw. We have the actual shroud. Then we have the Isaiah scroll. We have other things as well. And people can see it for themselves. And I've seen children come to faith in Christ. And I've seen the Jet Propulsion Scientist when we're at Gregory Church in Southern California,

walkthrough and say everything he said here is accurate. He's working on the Mars project, by the way. How many people have you seen this convert thousands? Thousands? I have been in the game in ministry for a long time. And I've been privileged to travel the world. As you mentioned in the intro, I've probably held more Bible manuscripts of my hand than 90 percent of the Bible scholars alive today. I've worked in the Griffith Paparology Lab at the Ashmolian. We can't call it the

Sackler Library anymore because of the Sackler Oxycontin family. They took the name off it. So but it was the Sackler when I was there back in 2008, 2009 to 12. So I mean, I've held great Bible manuscripts. I've seen what you're holding. I mean, it's so inspirational. But nothing like the shroud has ever had the conversion rate ever that I've been part of. It is the greatest discipleship tool, meaning if you've read the Bible a thousand times, you're going to learn more

about how much God loves you. But if you're a skeptic who needs proof, like we all do, I wake up every day as a skeptic and I need to be reminded of God's love for man. I need to be reminded of the proof of the resurrection, the the many infallible proofs of the resurrection. You walk out of their

“utterly convinced. We were just in an event and Cincinnati. I'll never forget this man weeping,”

physically shaking, saying it's true. It's true. I never saw it. It's a calculation and it all comes

together. And this data has been suppressed. I want to make this very clear. Something I also learned. My friend Tristan Cassia Blanca gave his life. You'll find this interesting, Sean. The British museum suppressed the raw data of the carbon dating for 27 years. So the carbon dating is done in 1988. We do need to mention this because all the people who comment, well, what about the carbon dating? Mm-hmm. No one should use the carbon dating from 1988 as a reason to think that the shroud is a

hoax. So in 1988, carbon dating is done on the top left corner of the shroud. I showed you the top

don't use the edges. Don't use the fringes. I don't know if you could tell, even on our replica, we actually reinforced it with gaffed tape because it's it's it's it's a shroud. It will fall apart. It needs to be patched. And so we know based under the microscope that there are cotton fibers that are weaved in with the fine linen to keep it from just totally, but it's fine linen throughout it. But the the edges they had to reinforce. Seven laboratories were supposed to do the

carbon dating only three did Zurich Oxford and Arizona. Why seven? We don't know. Then they get up on the chalkboard and they write 1260 to 1390. And one of the guys just sits there like this. Of course,

he got a one of the guys got a $5 million in Dow Chair immediately. By the way, after this, you can look

it up for yourself. Very specious. Why did he get a $5 million in Dow Chair? After 1260 to 1390, somebody should find out. Someone should do a PhD on that. So they write that. And then the British museums suppresses the raw data of the carbon dating for 27 years. And Tristan, my buddy, does the he's a French guy, amazing man, great scholar. He does the equivalent of a freedom of information act to finally get the data, the raw data of to know. Like, what did you test? How did

you test it? Do you know what he published? He published and I want to be technical. The samples they used for the carbon dating are not homogenous with the shroud itself. What do you mean? We don't even know if they tested the actual shroud. Are you serious? Yes. Tristan, Kasiabhaka, pointed this out. So in a 2019 Journal of Archaeometry, published in Oxford, people can go look this stuff up. This is not conspiracy stuff. Go be a reader. You know, learn from everyone, but don't let

anyone think for you. Okay. Go read the 2019 Journal of Archaeometry, where they say we can no longer take any value. There is no value to the carbon dating because it was so corrupted. It was so poison. They probably did, they used a patch sample that is not homogenous with the shroud that we have. So again, if you're a thinking person, it's a demonic attack and it's so. It is. Why the suppression from the British Museum? Why does the Catholic Church not show the shroud more often? They need to.

“This is scientific proof of the resurrection. And so I think it's why every time now I mention the”

shroud it goes viral. There is, there is a hunger for this information. There is a hunger in the algorithm. People want proof and that's okay. And we have it. Why do you think, when did we find out that the image on the shroud is fading? I just found that out in turn last May when I went and met within Rico who changes the gas. I have it on video. When did they figure this out? I didn't ask when, but he, and again, I haven't checked that. That was the reason that I was upset that they were

not showing the shroud publicly. And again, I asked to meet with Archbishop Rapola and was declined an interview. So I have this on my YouTube channel where Enrico says that the blood is fading. The

image is fading. I have Bruno Barbarris saying there's one in 200 billion chance. I have Polluted

Lazarus saying the 34,000 billion watts of energy. I mean, it's great stuff. But that's where I learned that the image is fading. And so what are we going to do? Just let it fade away before we show it to the next generation? I mean, I find it odd. bizarre. Because it's, you know,

“but scientists will at me and be like, well, you have to know, you got, you know, oxygen and”

lighter, the greatest, and oxygen and lighter, the greatest enemy of any artifact. Should we just not show any artifacts? It's, it's been here for, to bizarre. Yeah, it's bizarre. And so it took a family, a wealthy family, by the way, the Catholic Church did nothing for the Jubilee.

And the family who, they're incredible, they're an amazing family. And I'm trying to remember

their name, I apologize, I can't. They put together an amazing exhibit, a private, wealthy Catholic family, in the courtyard of Tern, where they created a virtual experience of the shroud, because the Catholic Church didn't do anything for it. Explain why bones, bone boxes matter for reading the new testament. Okay. I love bone boxes. Okay. I don't go with this means. If you go to the, if you go to the, if you go to the land of Israel, if you go to the amount of olives,

one of the most famous spots, you're going to see the beautiful amount of olives. You're going to

“see the dumb of the rock. You're going to see the key drawn valley. You're going to see the eastern”

gate, which the mooks, which the Muslims, you know, walled up, because they know that when Messiah returns,

himself the Messiah as he should. So there's bone boxes all over the amount of olives, 150,000.

“A bone box is a box that you put bones in. It's called an ashewary. And the Jews practice”

a process, which I point out, because I have a whole chapter, because we believe we have James, the brother of the Lord's bone box. This is another evidence for Jesus outside the Bible. It says, James, the son of Joseph, the brother of Jesus. No other bone box would say who your brother was. And this is incised. It was discovered in 2002. And of course, made massive headlines,

we actually have James's bone box. And so here's what would happen, Sean. If you and our brothers

and I died, you would put me in a two. And about a year later on the anniversary of my death, when my flesh had decayed, you would collect my bones. And a process called oscilligium, that's Latin, that literally just means bone collection. And you would put my bones in our family bone box. Guess how long the bone box is? It's as long as your femur, the longest bone in your body. Turns out the family buried together stays together. And so you would bury me with, like,

dad and maybe a sister or brother. And that process is called oscilligium. And so

“burial was a sacred tradition in Judaism. And so that's why you have these bone boxes,”

these oscillaries is what they're called. I filmed and the tear drop church on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives with all of these bone boxes. I think it's ground 0 from Matthew 27 when other Christians came out of the tomb besides Jesus. And so why that matters for Jesus and for the New Testament helps us understand that Jesus was buried properly. And a known tomb, people would have known where he was buried. They mourn the dead for seven days. Shiva. They would

worship all first century tombs. By the way, it looked like my hand. If you enter, you'd put the stone here. You would worship inside and then the niches or where the bodies would be laid. And we actually have James. Think about this. James was a skeptic of his brother Jesus. Do you have a brother by chance? I don't want to do. Okay. So I have four sons. What would it

take for you to believe your brother was the son of God? It would take a lot. It will always

normally laugh when I ask this. I have four boys. I break up anarchy on a daily basis and none of them think that the other ones of Son of God. And this was true in Jesus' day. And Mark 6, they literally think Jesus is insane. And Mark 321, they take a fence at him. They actually accuse him of being a bastard, you know, a son of a niquity. In John 7 verse 5, it explicitly says, not even his brothers believed in him. So here's what we have to ask ourselves. This is one of

the proofs of the resurrection. How do people go from being hostile to Jesus to being willing to die for the belief that he physically rose from the grave? First Corinthians 157 says, and he appeared

to James. I love this appearance. I could see it. I could see it in my mind's eye. James has always

been humiliated by older brother Jesus, crazy guy. I thought he was a Messiah. I got crucified and James is just working in the wood shop, you know, this stone shop and all the sudden Jesus appears before him. Grow. Grow. Check out my side. They got me good. Check out my wrists. James becomes what Paul says, a pillar of the church. He becomes the pastor of the church of Jerusalem, which probably ran 10 to 20,000 people. Josephus, a first century historian, tells us,

in 862, James, the brother of Jesus in antiquities 20, dies believing his brothers the Son of God. Why?

“Because he saw Jesus physically alive after he was dead. That's why bone boxes are important,”

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Yeah. This is so cool. I've never actually had, this is really fun to talk about because, you know, you write a book, have you written a book before you probably have like, you know, I have now written a book.

“Okay. Well, you need to. A whole time you'll wonder like, well, anyone ever read this,”

does anyone care? Well, this book is already made. No. Yeah. Okay. We need to change that. We need your book. We need you in the author space. But what's cool about these discoveries is so many of them have already made headlines. I mean, a popular mechanics did a story on one of the discoveries of my book, and it was the Jesus Cup. Have you heard of the Jesus Cup? No, I have the row. Frank Boggio, who I have total permission. By the way, this book is so cool because my nine

year old is looking at it, and there's pictures in it, which was a total labor of love to get these pictures, but I want to show you on a hand you this, because I want you to see a picture of what I'm talking about. This is so cool, man. So, look, can I hand you this book? I want you to see the picture of the Jesus Cup. You are looking, Sean Ryan, at the earliest artifact that we have of the name of Jesus on it. It dates to 8050. It was just discovered in Alexandria by Frank Gadio, who was a

Marine ball. He's a, he's a, he does archaeology underwater, and that cup, if I can say it in Greek, if you don't mind, says, "ho, go astace, d.a. Christu, through Jesus, the enchanter, or the magician."

Jesus' name is so powerful that it was actually inserted in pagan charms, spells, and incantations,

because his name was known, in his lifetime, throughout, throughout the Mediterranean world, that if you just insert this name of Jesus, demons are afraid and healings happen. And that is a convivial cup. You notice that it looks like one of the handles has been broken off, so this could have even been used as a paganism, but they literally through Jesus, the magician, be healed. And so I explain that. And so that, that cup, the actual incised cup dates to 8050. That's before

the Gospels are written. Wow. And then if you flip a few pages, we have other magic spells that insert the name of Jesus in incantations. If you wanted to give your boss in Samnia, you would put a falacteria in his house. And in the name of Jesus, you're going to have in Samnia. If you wanted a woman to fall in love with you, they would insert the name of Jesus to try to get a woman. The point is, Jesus is made famous, because he was a miracle worker

“and an exorcist. Remember, Jesus could exercise demons even over long distance. He could heal”

people over long distance. And so it's fascinating about this. Remember Luke 722. Talk about someone who needed proof. This is very important. Again, we cannot read the New Testament with Western 21st century eyes. We have to, this is what you and I, what I'm trying to do is take you on a journey. We're doing experiential archaeology right now. I want you to experience the context, the CIA method, by the way, of Bible reading. Oh boy, can I give you the CIA method of Bible reading since

your CIA context and I'm not CIA. I don't start spreading that right. I'm kidding with you. So CIA

method of Bible study. This is so helpful. This is how you always read the Bible context,

then I'll know the interpretation. So then I can apply it to my life. That's what you should ask yourself every time you read the Bible. So we're doing context right now, Luke 722. Josephus tells us, that John the Baptist is being held in prison at McCirus. The Bible doesn't tell us that, Josephus, the first century historian does. Remember John the Baptist was the forerunner who literally sat baptized Jesus and said, "That's the Lamb of God." You know, this is Isaiah 40, by the way,

we go right, Isaiah 40. It's amazing how much Isaiah shows up in the New Testament. The whole the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. But he's having doubts, Sean, like we all do.

And here's what I want to tell people, never shame someone he's having doubts,

“sharpen them. John the Baptist disciples come to Jesus. And do you remember what they say in Luke 722?”

John the Baptist is wondering if you're really the guy, bro. What does Jesus say? He doesn't shame him. He sharpened me. He said, "Let him know. I'm doing my work. The blind sea, the deaf are healed and the dead, neck roast, a gyro, the dead, stand up alive." And so Jesus, remember this, is known as a famous exorcist, a miracle worker, Sean 25% of the Roman Empire was sick, dying, or in need of a mediate medical

attention on any given day of Jesus' ministry. No wonder the crowds flock to him to be healed. So he's known as an exorcist. He's known as a famous healer. Where would people go? You'd have to pay for your healing. You know, if we didn't know Jesus and more brothers in the first century, we got to go to that temple of esclapious. That's where we get the medical symbol of the staff and the snakes. That's all from esclapious. You had to pay for healing and do crazy

chance. And even Jesus heals people for free. He doesn't use another name. He just says, "Come

“out. Shut up. Demons fear him and he doesn't charge." Wow. That's how he became famous. And so my second”

that brings us face to face with Jesus is it brings us face to face with a Savior who heals. And there have been more documented miracles in the last 50 years than the previous 300 years combined. My citation on that is Craig Keener and his, he's a classicist, dear friend of mine,

two volume work on miracles. He should have him. He's amazing. And also JP Morlin.

We've had more documented miracles in the last 50 years than probably the last 300 years combined. What's the one that stands out to you the most if there is one? I have two. I'm not sure, too. Absolutely. My wife and I couldn't get pregnant for five years. And God bless this with five kids. I think people prayed too hard because we have triplets now. That's a miracle. And then secondly, my dad who's my best friend was within days of dying.

He went from being fine, running, and he was calling me. And dad, your face is red. You don't look good. And I have one of these concerted doctors. Let me go. So I travel all the time

“when I need meds. I need them now. So it's like that. You need to talk to my doctor.”

It's stage four lymphoma and it was within days of death. And his doctor looked at him and said, "Well, I think you're going to die, sir." And I won't tell you what I said in my mind, but I said to you're fired. I transferred my dad to the med center in Houston. And I saw God heal my dad of stage

four cancer. No way. And he's doing amazing now. And he had days to live. I don't know if you've

ever been in a situation. This was odd for me. I hadn't been. We're doctors tell you not to leave town because I was living in Dallas, you know, and I'm in Houston with my dad. And they're saying, "You can't leave. You may not make it." And I saw God heal my dad. Wow. So I've seen miracles in my own life. But the greatest miracle of all is the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus. That's what they all emanate from. Man. Let's talk about coin stones and governors. Okay. Let's talk about everybody

you wanted to kill Jesus. Shall we? Right. So I have here. And by the way, I have some cool friends like you. I have a good friend named J.R. Bizzle. He's like a treasure hunter. I'm going to shout out to him because, you know, finding artifacts is not easy. I know there's not a manual on this. You have to make sure they're authentic. Sometimes you've got to get him through Zurich for different reasons. And it's just an interesting world of antiquities. By the way, like,

I didn't know that. In fact, when I was a professor in Canada, Acadia, I had a CBC reporter who was embedded with ISIS, Klandestine. And she sent me a picture of a Jewish magic book. It had a bunch of Jewish spells. And I had a mummified bat that ISIS had stolen and was trying to sell. So the whole antiquities market is challenging. You've got to this where you need experts like me that can check authenticity. So I have here some coins that I want to show you

of all the people that tried to kill Jesus. Okay. I've heard the great. I've Augustus. I have

“Tiberius. And I want you to hold these in your hand. Because here's why coins are important.”

Let me just show you this. This is so amazing. You call them the social media of the old

world or something, correct? Coins are the social media of Jesus' world. I love this because if you and I went back in time right now, we don't have a real. We don't have a feed to tell us who's in power or who the local deity is, the local God. We don't know who's enslaved. We don't know who's in charge. And so all I had to do, if I got some money in my hand, I could immediately say, "Oh, okay, Augustus. Oh, okay, Tiberius. Oh, that makes sense." I want you to hold these are gold

ruses. Check these out. These are legit. These are very expensive, not cheap. And what's fascinating about them is those Augustus is the Roman Emperor who Luke names. He is Emperor when Jesus is born. We know that from the Gospel of Luke. Tiberius is the Emperor who crucifies Jesus of Nazareth. Now, Sean, this is what is so cool about doing experiential archaeology. So right now, you're looking at the social media of Jesus' day. If you look at the Tiberius one, it literally says,

"In Latin, Tiberius, son of Augustus, son of God." On the back side of the Tiberius coin, I don't know if you can make it out pontiff, maximum. Can you kind of make that out around the circle? Pontiff, maximum of the Tiberius one, pontiff, maximum. What does that mean in Latin, high priest? So when I open up the Greek New Testament, which I have, Codex Vaticanus here, I'm going to show you

in a minute, when I open up the Greek New Testament, and I read the first verse of the Gospel of

Mark, which was the first Gospel, the beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Do you realize, if you and I were in town in the first century, there was only one Son of God, and it was Tiberius, to say anyone else was the Son of God would be to sign your death warrant. And Mark comes along, and he says, "In our cane, you and Geleon, the beginning of the good news

“of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the true Son of God." You talk about a seditious thing. That's how he”

started his Gospel, bro. It was like, "No, Tiberius isn't the Son of God." And then you flip the coin, and you see he's called the High Priest, wait a minute, no. According to the New Testament, Jesus is our great high priest. According to Hebrews, he ever lives to make intercession for us. Jesus is the true chief priest, not Tiberius, not Caesar. The word Gospel is a Roman term.

It's not a Christian term. We literally hijacked it. If you wanted to hear the Gospel in the first

century, we'd see something like nailed to a tree. This is the Gospel of Tiberius or Augustus. This is an important good news announcement. No, the true Gospel is that Jesus died according to the Scriptures that he was buried and on the third day rose from the grave as the Scriptures say. Are these originals? Yes. It's why they're so expensive. So that's gold-orious. 27 BC to 84. Well, that was in circulation. Yeah, those are not replicas. AD 14 to 37. Right. And so now,

we're going to keep going here. Now this one is so cool. I just got this. I haven't had a chance to. All right. So, do you remember the passage when Jesus says rendered a Caesar with Caesar's?

“Remember that? Can I hand you an actual denarius? So that's an arrius that's gold.”

I want you to compare it. Hold on to these. This is a denarius, silver. Also, Tiberius. So, what's cool about that, Sean? You're holding in your hands from the time of Jesus in circulation, a denarius. It's denarius and plural. A denarius singular. And that has the likeness. Do you remember Jesus holds it up? And he says, "Who's likeness is on this?"

nice. Props to J.R. for finding it to me. I don't know if you notice has almost like a green hue to it. Like a lame. It's got it. It's very, very valuable. And that is from the first century rain of Tiberius because that's Tiberius on it. Here's the message. Yeah, that's that's that likeness is Tiberius. But do you remember what the scripture says? You and I, we are made in the image of God and not Tiberius. So, render under Caesar with Caesar's, but give me this is Jesus talking your life.

And that powerful? Yeah. Sure, pay your taxes to Caesar. Give God your life because his likeness,

my likeness is stamped on you. Jesus was a great teacher. I want to hand you something else. This is so cool. I just got this, bro. Can I hand you something else, Sean? Absolutely. We're doing experiential archaeology. Hold this. Again, not a replica from my antiquity's dealer, Zach and Jerusalem. I want you to look, you're holding a Roman needle. Do you remember Jesus now? I want you to hold it vertically. Do you see the circle there? Yeah, right here. Yep. That's called the eye of the needle.

“Have you heard when Jesus is asked? How can anyone be saved?”

How can we be forgiven? Jesus says it's easier for a rich man, or he said it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. And they ask, well, then who can be saved? He said, with man, it's impossible. With God, all things are possible. And he's talking about the miracle of grace. You can't earn it.

You can't deserve it. He paid the debt that we could never pay for a debt. He did not owe.

And you're holding in your hand the eye of a needle. Isn't that powerful? We put our place. Now we're doing CIA. We're putting ourselves in context. We're interpreting it, right? And now saying, there's nothing I could do. A camel can't go through the eye of the needle. I am desperate for what God has done for me already. This is why I spell the gospel done, DO and E. It's not religion. It's not ritual. It's faith and trust and an event that happened

2,000 years ago. Jesus' death and resurrection on the cross. So when he said rich man, he was talking about everyone. Everyone. Because why did he use that? Well, rich. Because there was a lot of health and wealth

prosperity gospel in the first century. If you were, this is why people didn't believe Paul

was an apostle. He had so many problems. If you read 2 Corinthians 1, Paul is like, you know, I have the sense of death within me. I don't even want to go on living right now. This is why we can be honest about our pain. We don't live in our past, but we learn from it. We can be honest about our suffering. Paul had so many problems that they accused him of not really being an apostle, because how can God be with you? You have so much adversity in your life.

Because in Judaism, of that time, only the righteous were blessed. If you had adversity,

“do you remember when they bring the, this is a perfect example, John 9. Teacher, who sinned”

this boy or his parents that he was born blind? John 9 3. Jesus says neither, but that the power of God could be a bit made manifest among you. And so there was a lot of health and wealth gospel, which I did test to this day. And Jesus is saying, if a rich man can't pay for it, nobody can, only my grace makes it possible. Wow. So this is why context. You know, we have so many terracy happens in some churches every Sunday. Give me Jesus and no context or the Bible and no

context, and I immediately become a heretic. That's why my job is to build all of these portals to the past to help us have a greater, exigentical precision so we can apply it to our life more easily. This is where the boom boxes are important. I don't know if you remember the part in the gospels when Jesus says to the young man, he wants to stay in various father and Jesus is like,

“no, you need to follow me now. The dead will bury their dead. Remember he says that like we haven't”

because of our historical distance, like, wow, that's kind of rude. Jesus let him bury that. No, he was wanting to weigh to year to follow Jesus, so he could collect his dad's bones and put him away. He was delaying his obedience. The only reason we know that is I just gave you the context of archeology. Oh, now I get it. He was using that as a delay mechanism. And Jesus is like, no, today is the day of salvation. You need to follow me right now. Doesn't that help? It does. It does.

Okay. I got to tell you this kind of, I love stories. So I've met so many awesome people with the

shroud and I've a really good friend Bob Shitwood. So he walks up to me one day and he said, you know, I got into buying gold during COVID and he said, I bought some gold and kind of just show you this coin. Because I just bought a herid bronze coin that is a bronze coin of herid the great from 37 BC. He was the first one who tried to kill Jesus. And it's bronze. It's not gold, but it says huradoo, basaleo of herid the great. That's an important thing I need to tell you. All of these coins

are in the genitive, meaning they literally belong to the king. We're just kind of passing him back and forth. Literally, this coin is his. You just get to use it as currency. That's an important point. That's where Jesus wants possession of us. He wants our life. That's a little footnote.

“So I think I'm cool because I'm handing Bob my bronze coin of herid the great and he hands me this.”

This is nicer than what they have at the Hegeus Sophia. Okay. This is the amazing Roman

solidus from the late 7th century. This is a solidus that has 200 points of congruence, correspondence, comparability with the face of the man of the shroud. I want you to look at this. So Bob hands me this. I said, "Bop!" That looks just like the face of the shroud. He's like, "Oh my gosh, how did I not notice that?" Look at that face. And tell me if that does not look and so Alan Wagner is by the way, notice I keep citing myself. By the way, I have a whole section in the Jesus discoveries.

This is the first coin that ever had the face of Jesus on it and it matches the face of the shroud.

And again, this is 700 years before the carbon dating. Okay. So what was their source material

if the shroud didn't exist? And there's 200 points of congruence. And Alan Wagner from Duke University proved that. Remember sketch artists like if you've committed a crime. Oh yeah. This goes way beyond what's accepted in the court of law to compare the face on this Justinian Roman solidus with the face of the shroud. So again, it's just yet another. We've talked about pollen. We've talked about the correspondence with the Gospels. We've talked about AB blood. We've talked about the VPA

image analyzer. We've talked about the corruption and the data, the suppression of the carbon dating. And now I'm showing you the social media of the late 600s, which is the coin, the Christ solidus

“that matches the face of Jesus in the shroud. How much more proof do you need?”

What is this on the back here? That's actually Justinian. That's his humility. He's saying Christ is Lord of all. I'm just his servant. He would later die. By the way, he's facing the Islamic conquest at this time, big time, where Islam is killing every Christian they can and the late 7th and early 8th century. The Umayah dynasty then puts together the Quran. Of course, that falsely claims Jesus was not crucified and IF4, 0157, 0157, IF4. So that's very important to point out

what he was facing culturally. And this is where he was also likely protecting the shroud from Constantinople. And he was bold enough to put Jesus on the money and say, "No, Jesus is Lord of all. Not the Caliphate." Pretty epic, isn't it? All these stories. And yet all I'm doing is

“guiding you by the hand. Right now, we're not in some kind of Christian trance. We're not privileging”

these things. We're looking at these critically. We're looking at these through the lens of history. We're not doing Christian history. It's like the Battle of Franklin. I used to live in Franklin, Tennessee. And how do we know about the Battle of Franklin? Bloodiest five hours of the Civil War, six Confederate generals are killed. Well, we have evidence and we have eyewitness testimony. We have more evidence and I witnessed testimony that Jesus rose from the grave than we do the

Battle of Franklin. Okay. Is that true? What about all the bones and bell buckles and helmets and bullets and I witnessed testimony? We have an embarrassment of riches of 5,800 fragments and manuscripts of the New Testament. We have all of these archaeological finds. We have actual testimony from the eyewitnesses who were hostile to the events. It is on the same level as even

of Jesus. We have 45 sources for Jesus of Nazareth that prove over 129 facts about him

within an all-use-bart airman's skeptical within a 100 years of the event. Sheesh. So yes, it is true. Roger that. Truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. Think people are finding that out of the day. That's right. But wow. What's this book here? Oh my gosh. So, what is this? This is, I cannot wait to show you this.

“Can't believe what I went through to get it. Shon Ryan, this is, I think,”

could be likely the oldest Bible that we have. This is Codex Vaticanus. Now, this is a facts simile. You can't hardly see the real one in the Vatican library. But 450 exact facts similes were issued in signed by Pope John Paul II on Christmas Day 1999. And we just acquired the fact simile of this ancient Greek Bible that dates to 330 to 325. It is the entire Bible in Greek. Old Testament, most of the New Testament. I think it stops at Hebrews. Probably we would just loss some pages.

And we have, and this again shows the amazing stability of our text. If I open this and

read it alongside your English Bible, there would be very few differences or what we call variants. Certainly no contradictions. I want you to hold this in your hand. Very few people have ever held. It weighs 16 pounds. Are you ready for this? We've got all that maybe you're open it up. Oh man, this is cool. So, we believe the Catholic Church. We don't know how they came into possession of it. But it might go back to 1450s that we know they had it. They were very

“cagey about constant antition door if another's seeing it. And so that's why they finally issued”

these facts similes, which I mean, have the holes in the pages. You can see the callophons every, it'll say katamarkon, you know, according to Mark, katalukon, according to Luke. So, you're holding in your hands a Bible that is dated within five years of the council of Niciaschon. Do you realize that? This is the time of constant team. This is the time that for 300 years Christians have been persecuted. The bishops have been killed. The buildings have been

destroyed. The bibles have been burned. And this is why we have constant teams mom who goes to restore the holy sites. One of the things that came out of the council of Niciaschon. And by the way, this would have been like a martyr's club. They would have hobbled in there. They would have had scars from the persecution they faced for their faith. And this is Codex Vaticanus, which again

shows us the amazing reliability of our text. Wow. There's only 450 of these in the world.

In the sad part about it, Wi-Fi similes are important. So few libraries allow individuals,

“pedestrians, laymen, non-experts to see these great artifacts of our faith. And so that's why”

having it today on the Sean Ryan show is so epic. So next level, I mean, I don't know of any other podcasts that would actually have Codex Vaticanus signed by Pope John Paul II hanging out. What are these stamps here? I don't want to hold this up, scared of what those are. This is hilarious. I'm so impressed that you notice that. Oh, those are authentic, like some kind of authentic. The Vatican library and decided to stamp every page of the original Codex Vaticanus. Can you

believe that? Are you serious? Yes. Do you remember in Indiana Joads of the last crusade that the guy was like stamping and he keeps hearing things often think of that? Yes, can you imagine that? And so it's one of the great jokes and why did they belong to the Vatican? Okay, thank you for stamping every page of the most priceless Greek Bible we have in Chris and him. I'm glad you noticed that. It's just again one of the funny things about biblical scholarship. So that would be the old

testament and then to the right would be the new testament. It's fascinating, the ending of Mark, which I could find, ends at verse 8, not at verse 20. Can you read all this? Oh, absolutely.

So this is written in Greek, um, show. These are these are magic skills. That's again how we dated. So what I am an expert in this code of ecology and paleography, how we date manuscripts based on handwriting style. So previously unprovenants, I can try to find it for you. Previously, unlike what my PhD was in a previously unprovenants, uh, second century fragment called the Gospel of Peter, the Ockman Gospel fragment. So notice there's no chapters and there's

no verses and there's no spacing between the words and it's all written in Greek capitals. This tells

“us how the antiquity of the text. This tells, you know, the chapters don't come around. I think”

it's Stephen Langton, the archbishop of Canterbury, in like 1227. He's the first one who actually adds chapters to the Bible. And then we don't get versification of the Bible until the 1500s. So yes, I can read it. And the beautiful thing about it is it's just like the modern English translations that we have. Oh, yeah. But like, I mean, think about this, what you're holding in your hand, I mean, some of the greatest Christian thinkers of all time would not have even

known it existed. They would not have had this. I mean, the King James Bible, which Erasmus put together

is based on the text, this Receptus, which was like six Greek fragments. I mean, it's amazing.

Well, that's is what I say, the embarrassment of riches that we have in the textual trend, it's tradition of the Bible. This is where I say that if we cannot believe in the reliability of Jesus, and the eyewitness testimony, we should not believe that Caesar crossed the Rubicon in

“49 BC because we have better evidence for it. Wow. Where did he sign the British signs?”

It's in the Prolegamina, which is the book that came with it. It explains what it was, why it was done, why they're only 450 in the world. They're very difficult to come by now.

That's amazing. So this is Codex Vaticanus B. The only competitor, as far as maybe the is

Codex-siden signidicus, which you can go see in the British Library for free, although a ceiling fell down and St. Catherine's monastery, and more of Codex-sidenidicus was found in Egypt. So that one is four columns, where you saw that one's three columns. So they compete with each other as far as which may be the oldest. But the point is we have this amazing tradition. This would be, you know, 200 years before the gaze, the Ethiopic Bible. I mean, we have just such a great manuscript tradition.

We have a great text basis for our faith that gives us, again, early eyewitness testimony of Jesus. And when I'm doing Historia, when I'm doing Historiaography, I'm looking for early eyewitness testimony. Not certainty. I'm looking for probability. You just brought up the Ethiopian Bible. Yes. I'm going to give this back to you. Okay. I've got to show you one thing, Sean. This is so cool. All right. Let me see. Every time a book begins, this is so cool. It has a start with the color.

Yeah, there's the crazy Vatican stamp on every page. Yeah, it is on every minute. Literally. We know it's

at the Vatican. Thank you. We understand. Yeah. It's just amazing. And we have these callophons on here.

They, one of the really fascinating things is called the Nomeness Sacred. These are called sacred names. You'll often see the first letter in the last letter of E.A.S. or Christos. And it's like an abbreviation. And they would only put it for like me. It would be like J and H. Not Jeremiah. My first, first letter, last letter of my name with a line over. And that's a Nomeness Sacred or Nomeness Sacred, in singular. There was a sacred name. So they wouldn't

write it all the way out just out of difference for the Spirit, God, Jesus, Christ, Curios, the Lord.

“And that's how we know, oh, they're talking about Jesus here. Isn't that cool? So there's a”

whole scribal tradition that goes along with this beautiful text. And so, you know, I'm so glad that we're actually going to have this on display over Easter at Prestonwood. And you can see there's even holes. I don't know if you noticed that. Where I know that. We don't know. We don't know it got there. But it did. Yeah. Just absolutely amazing. Thank you for, thank you for bringing all this. Oh my gosh. It's my pleasure. Thank you for letting me show the world this.

blood and die. And so we could have the Bible. So you might want to bring it to church with you.

You might want to open it once in a while. It's amazing. If you read the Bible four days a week,

it radically changes your life. I can't remember what I was watching, but it just, it was

“a baby of was that, you know what, I think it was a church. And I can't remember exactly”

what the, what he was saying, but he was talking about, um, like, I think it was like percentage of, like, depression maybe or something. And he had broken down or as if you read it once a week. Yes, that's accurate. You know, this is if you read it twice a week. And that's a very real times a week was the key, was the key number. That's right. And it only takes 70 hours to read the whole Bible. Just so, you know, just take it be a lot longer than. All right, the notion.

Reading it, you can read the whole thing in 70 hours. And I remember the reading, it's not the problem. Yeah. It's comprehending what it's supposed to. So you need to have me back more often.

“I'll guide you by the hand. All right. I won't make that happen. But I want to do”

it. The eviopean Bible. I've heard about it. Yeah. It sounds like there's maybe some conspiracyes around it or something. What is it? What's what's it? What's makes that so special? Why do people? Why are there so much interest in that? I don't know why to be honest with you. But I can share some speculative ideas. Those of us that know that study scripture tradition know that there are unique and interesting expressions of Christianity all over the world. The Ethiopic and Coptic Christians, which are

so similar, and even Syriac Christians, have unique traditions to their Old Testament canon. When we talk about the Bible, we're talking about a library shot. And we're talking about a very carefully chosen library. But we're also talking about even a canon within a canon. Let me give you a couple of examples. And if you go to Bethlehem to the church of the nativity, many people miss this. And if you go downstairs, there's a little grotto. And that is where Jerome and the late 4th century

translates what becomes the Bible of 1,000 years. It's called the Latin Vulgate. Who knows like the manuscripts he would have had in the 300s to work from. But the lingua franca became Latin. It was romanized. And he is going back and forth with the pope because there are these books

“called the Apocrypha that the pope really wants included. And they were important windows.”

I want to be very clear into three hundred years. Second century BC to 180. What we call the

inner testamental period right up to the age of the New Testament. They were interesting windows into that time period. But they're not historical by any means. I want to make that very clear. There was a very interesting Jewish mystical tradition. And that's where we get jubilee's and Tobit and Enoch, the book of Enoch. And so Jerome is going back and forth with the pope. And finally, they compromise. And he includes the Apocrypha as an appendix in the Latin completed Bible. A lot of people,

you might not be aware that original King James version that we all love from 1611 actually includes the books of the Apocryphids 11 to 13 depending on how you count them. So it's a library. So that's

context. Okay. So the Ethiopian tradition is interesting because they include first Enoch, which is 108

chapters. The first 37 of which are called the book of Watchers. And it gets really into some very speculative ideas about the Nephilim, which is this interesting race mentioned in Genesis 6, which by the way, those first few verses. And you can quote me on this in Genesis 6 is the weirdest part of the Bible. We do not have that much information. Of course in Hebrew, if you know your Hebrew, Nephol is the verb that means fallen. So that's where we get this idea of maybe their demons,

maybe they're just angelic beings. So Nephilim is the plural noun of Nephol and Hebrew. I don't know if that was ever explained to you from a word study. So that's where we get this idea of this sentient race that copulates with women to produce this hybrid race. We don't know anything about it

forward to 300 BC. Okay. So what? I mean, are we 3000 years later? Are we 6000 years later?

“We're in 300 BC. We're in this unique milieu of Jewish mystical writing and the book of Enoch”

begins to speculate for 37 chapters about who this race was, who these giants are. And it's really fun and interesting and maybe even perhaps edifying for certain groups, but it's not historical.

As far as helping us understand what I would say is this very clearly. First Enoch specifically,

which is in the Ethiopian Bible, from a historical perspective, from a scholarly perspective, and from an archaeologically perspective, does nothing to help us understand Genesis 6 in the Nephilim at all. What does it say in Genesis 6 that the essentially that this race, this angelic race, may have created offspring with females that hastened the judgment of God, the flood that we see right after that passage. We just don't know. That's the thing. We don't have to do CIA context

“interpretation application. That's all we know. It could be legendary. It could be mythology.”

It could be true. It could be the way that humans race into sin. That's one speculation, like how did we become such great sinners? Maybe through this race. But there's no connection

between Goliath and the Nephilim. We know now we have a Hebrew text of first Samuel that's

cleared it up. Goliath is four qubits in a handbreath. He was probably six, six, or six, ten, which was huge for his day, but he's not ten feet. He's not six qubits. We have an older manuscript that clears that up for us. When did Christianity reach Ethiopian? It's such an odd location. Well, actually, and there's a lot of odd, I mean, just to continue. I mean, there's connections with Solomon and the Queen of Shiba. There's thought to even be several from Africa and his

we do know that he had a 700 concubines. So there's a lot of apocryphal mystical legendary stories that come out of the connection of Shiba with Solomon. There's no history behind it. It comes from the intertestiminal period. These are legendary stories. When I lived in Oxford, I took my, my daughter, Lillian, my wife, Audrey, to Gastonberry. I don't know. Gastonberry is like we're a big musical festist. We didn't go to that. But I went there because there was a legend that Joseph

of Vermithia had brought Jesus to Gastonberry in England. You know, it's just a total legend. Yeah, right by King Arthur, by the way, where King Arthur was buried in the nights of the roundtable. I mean, different Christian communities developed these unique legendary, almost fanatical perspectives that are based on their ethnicity, where they're from,

what they're facing. And so what you have though, no, first Enoc was never removed from our

Christian Bibles. It was part of the canon or library of Ethiopian Christians because their text developed in much more isolation because it's amazing. There are any Christians at all in Ethiopia

“after the Islamic conquest. But it's just important to help people understand the concept of canon”

rule, you know, what we call canon. The Bible is a library. And we have to always make sure we keep it. There's genres of our library. There are books. There are biographies. There are poem, wisdom, literature, half of the Psalms or Psalms of lament. And so we just need, there's nothing hidden. We're not missing out. Now, when I teach, which I, again, was a division one professor for over a dozen years. So, do I tell you, sure, read them. As soon as you read them, you're going to realize

why they're not in the Bible. We need to give first century Christians a little bit more credit. You know, there's a reason that I encourage people to just read them. You'll see, you know, my, my expertise is what we call extra canonical gospels. And Oxford, you couldn't call them apocryphal because I was seen as pejorative that I was privileging the biblical text. So I call an extra canonical. They get the rivers wrong. They get the names wrong. There's alien things in them.

They don't get the language right. I mean, Richard Bachum did a book called Jesus and the eyewitnesses where he points out that all you have to do is read the, you know, there's like 70 gospels outside

and you'll figure out why they're not in our Bibles. The Gospel of Peter has a giant cross,

“follows Jesus out of the tomb and starts talking. You have polymorphic crostology in the Gospel”

of Peter. We have only one witness to it. By polymorphic crostology, Jesus is a giant. The angels are a giant and you have a hovering talking cross. In some people wanted to call that the fifth gospel, a hovering talking cross. Yeah. The cross gospel. John dominant cross and wrote about it. So again, we have one witness to it. Peter, I wrote 10, 7, 5, 9, which by the way does include some aspects of enoc and some other things. So again, you know, these are libraries

that traveled together. The church was very intelligent and that they recognized immediately the sacredness of scripture. So like Jerome would have said in the Latin Vulgate, these books are sacred. The Apocrypha is helpful for helping us understand. I want to be very clear. It helps us understand the world in which they were written and appreciated. Bishop Serapian at Rossis read the Gospel of Peter in his Christian community, along with the Gospels. So you just have this emergence of unique

traditions with some of these different Christian communities. That's all there is. And we've known this forever, and not by we, I mean Bible scholars. So when I hear this fascination with enoc and giants, there's no connection shown between Goliath or giants today with the Nephilim, which again

is the plural form now and of Nephola to fall. We just don't have enough information. So I'm never

going to go beyond the context of what we actually have. And certainly, I'm not going to build my theology on enoc or on any of these intertestamental books. They weren't aspiring books,

“but not theologically beneficial. I think a lot of people will appreciate that because there's”

a lot of stuff going on about all of that. Can I issue a challenge? Absolutely. All of these people that's, and I'm kind of tired of answering questions that boars me about enoc and these books. And I want to say this, and I don't mean that like board right now. I just mean, I get asked this question on every show I do. And if people would take the energy that they use to study these unique, interesting, fanciful, intertestimal books, and actually apply that to studying

Greek and Hebrew and what we actually have in the scripture, they would be a lot closer to Jesus and a lot more firm in their faith. For example, we have 138,000 words in the Greek New Testament. Sean, if I got you to memorize just 300 Greek words, just 300, you yourself would be able to recognize eight out of 10 word occurrences in this Bible right here. Okay, that's Queen A Greek. That's the Bible is not written in hidden esoteric language. One thing that Alexander the Great gave us

was this beautiful common Greek language. And so, man, if you took all the your effort and took a class on Greek, and oh, if I just learned 300 words, I'm going to recognize eight out of 10 word occurrences in the Greek New Testament. So take all this energy, and these are like Christian comic books, essentially. Christian Avengers or whatever, same with the new, they're called pseudopigriffle writings. Enoch, I mean, we actually had to turn down someone for an MA thesis who

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“the watch floor, where we highlight what matters. It became a permissive state. Explain to you why”

it matters. And then aim to leave you feeling better and form than you were before you hit play. Terrace hostile intelligence agencies organized crime, not everything is urgent. But this show will focus on what is need to know, not just what is nice to know. I've heard, is there, is there some rumors that the arc of the covenant is any Ethiopia? You heard this? Yes. What is it? Is that true? No. What is the arc of the covenant?

The arc of the covenant is fascinating. In fact, my dear friend, Dr. Scott Stripling is the excavator at

Shiloh, in Israel. The rest of the world calls it Shilo. And this is where the scripture tells us that Joshua brought the arc of the covenant. And it was there for 305 years, according to Dr. Stripling. And so we have actually the actual spot. It's being uncovered. It's being excavated. I encourage people to go there and check it out. So that was the home of the army being excavated. Currently, yes, they're almost done. I believe they're in season seven. And way to go

to Dr. Stripling. And he endorsed my book, which I really appreciate having his scholarly endorsement as an archaeologist. And the arc was the meeting place of the people of God with Yahweh himself. One day a year on the day of atonement, the high priest would make atonement on the mercy see. The arc of the covenant held the ten commandments. Aaron's rod that budded Manah in there. And that was done with that. Manah that had fallen down from heaven to feed the Israelites

in the wilderness. Remember, it would go bad because you had to trust God every day. And so this was essentially the between the chair you've been in and you had to have blood on it. This was all symbolically pointed to Jesus of Nazareth. But there's a huge fascination with where it is right now. And I put zero credibility into thinking that the Ethiopian Church has it. What happened? I mean, there's a lot of, it's probably all bullshit conspiracy. But I mean,

there's a lot of fear of opening it of being around it. Is there any ability to that? Any of that? We should have no fear of it. Jesus is our Savior. All of it, all it did was

point to Jesus. Jesus fulfilled it all. If we found it, I would pop it open in a second. I'd sit on

top of it. I would, I would carry it around. Like Jesus is my Savior. It all pointed at him anyways.

“That I believe that's why we don't even have it anymore. It's, it's pointless at this point.”

Because Jesus fulfilled it and is a death burial in resurrection. Wow. You think they're going to find it? No. But it's the same. This is where we have to be careful. And I appreciate you having thinkers on your show. This is the same group that says we have chariot wheels in the, in the red sea. Anytime you see that, it's just clickbait. We don't have chariot wheels in the red sea from the, from the, from the Exodus. If we did, they would be at every museum in the world. We do

not have that. So, we're stuffed at the bottom of the Vatican. Yeah. Or in the program of museum, it turns out the Nazis were really good at stealing stuff too. You know, the Ishtar gate is from Babylon that Daniel would have walked through is at the program of museum in Berlin. Roger that. Well, I think that's the perfect way to end this. I have to tell you, though, I want to tell you the seven reasons I believe that Jesus rose from the grave and I can do it

in 60 seconds so I can do it in 60 minutes. You tell me what you want. Let's just go. Okay. It's go longer than 60 seconds. Okay. I can do it in 60 seconds. But what I want people to know

“is based on the evidence. Jesus' resurrection is the only way that we ultimately make sense of the”

suffering in our lives. Romans 18, Paul said, "All the sufferings I endure now cannot compare with the glory that will be revealed to us some day." That's the number one reason I believe in the resurrection. Suffering doesn't make sense without it. Number two, Jesus called it. He foretold it. You've heard of Babe Ruth calling a shot, Joe Nameth calling a shot, Muhammad Ali. Nobody called their shot like Jesus did. Jesus was constantly predicting his death

burial and resurrection. Mark 831, Mark 931, Mark 1033 and 34. This is where Jesus said, the son of

Remember, Sean, we only have 89 chapters in the Gospels. We have parts of 26 days of the life of

Jesus. One third of the Gospels is what this program has been about. The death burial and resurrection

at all points to that fact that energized the church in Acts 176 to turn the world upside down.

“So it's the only way we make sense of the suffering in our world. Jesus foretold it. Jesus also”

adembrated. He showed yet power over death. Mark 5, he raises gyrosis daughter from the dead. Luke 7, he raises the widow of names son from the dead. And then of course, John 11, he raises Lazarus from the dead. I've been in Lazarus' tomb in Bethany. Many Christians don't go there because it's Westmaker, whatever. I had a great time there. I got all the way down to the tomb, Sean. And I literally yelled out, Lazarus, come forth!

Just because I wanted to be like Jesus. It would have sounded duro-exo, literally stand up, walk out and Greek. So Jesus showed yet power over death. Fourthly, this is really fascinating. All of the textual and archeological evidence authenticate the resurrection accounts that we have in the Gospels. Jody Magnus, who is an atheist archaeologist from the University of North Carolina.

“When studying the death-barion resurrection passages in the New Testament, guess what she says.”

The Gospels get it right. Fifthly, this is unique. I just wrote this for co-authored it with Craig Evans with for McMillan interdisciplinary textbooks on philosophy of religion. There is no psychological reason in Judaism to invent the Jesus story unless it actually happened. It is not as I mentioned earlier what any of his disciples would have expected. I already mentioned for Q285, where it's seen that Jesus would kill the Roman Emperor. Sixthly, you cannot explain the

conversion of hostile witnesses to Jesus apart from the resurrection. Jesus appeared to those who loved him. Jesus appeared to those who were indifferent to him and Jesus appeared to those who hated him. Look no further, we've talked about James and then the Apostle Paul. The seventh fact is huge. Everywhere the Gospel goes, society is brought freedom. Not perfection but freedom. The Gospel rehumanizes people. The Gospel brings freedom. Galatians 328 says,

and this was seditious for Paul to say this, that in Christ there's neither June or Gentile. There's neither slave nor free. There's neither male nor female. We are all one in Jesus Christ. He said that when Rome was at its highest 40% of the empire were slaves. The Gospel rehumanized women and children. There's an ancient fragment that I've published called Pioxy 744. It's a love letter written in Greek from Helarian to his wife Alice. This is what the world was like before

Christianity. People don't realize it was hell on earth. There was something about the x-factor of

the resurrection that was a game changer. This is what Helarian writes. I'm going to say it in Greek.

"Aton and they lay it at Bale." This is what he wrote to his wife. Beautiful love letter. His wife will give birth to their child before he returns home. And what I just quoted in Greek verbatim was, "If it is a boy keep it, if it's a girl throw it away." And no one would have batted an eye. You and I would not have batted an eye. That was the first century BC. Jesus comes on the scene. "Let the children come to me." He rehumanized this children. You have literally

rescue missions saving children from the Christian movement. And one of my books on Imagineville. I give 12-way ways the world would be radically different tomorrow if there were no Christians. And listen, I don't worship Christianity. I don't worship the Bible. I don't worship the church. I worship the risen Christ. I want to make that very clear. But I also want to make it clear. The church is the greatest force for good on planet earth. And we don't talk enough about what

the Jesus movement does. All the idiots get the clickbaits. The people that fall, the people that can't keep their life straight. But you know what? There's an army of believers out there

doing amazing work. They're the front people in, front line in. Every time there's a disaster,

they want to help people. They want to love their enemies. Pray for those who persecute them and just be there. My daughters in Montreal right now, serving Canadians, loving Jesus, freezing or tail off. Just to tell people about Jesus with a group from our Christian academy. This is what is the most under-reported phenomenon. Is the impact that the gospel made. And of course, then the eighth reason is the shroud of turns. So I've just given you the top eight reasons of why

“I believe Jesus rose from the grave and why it matters today. Thank you. Thank you. What is the church”

mean? The church mean? Yeah, what is it? The church is beautiful. Well, it's Ecclesia. It just

together for all eternity. We will all look different, sound different. We'll have resurrected bodies.

“We'll know each other then. But the church is the bride of Christ. The church is not a building,”

an edifice, an organization. The church is believers who come together to worship the Lord and spirit

and in truth. The church is essential. We don't worship it, but it's essential. There's no such

thing as an isolated Christian. We appreciate internet church. We appreciate online services, but there is a power when we come together collectively. This is where the ordinances of communion and baptism are so important. This is what was crazy about our federal government. I just preach Sunday on religious freedom. The fact that liquor stores were essential, but churches weren't in New York City during COVID. Are you serious? No wonder, you know, it turns out we destroy ourselves

without God. I make this point. There's a fascinating book, The Plot to Kill God, about what happened in the Soviet Union after the Bolshevik revolution and the Communists take over.

“They all started to kill each other a lot more. It turns out if you want to kill people,”

get rid of a God and get rid of the Jesus and society. It's a lot easier to kill people,

by way. So that's what the church is. Love that. Thank you. Thank you. Last thing. I got a hot question here. Let's go. People describe health through near-death experiences, visions and even movies like games, movies and games like Constantine, Doom, and Diablo. But what does the Bible actually say, "Hell is, where is it, and what will it be like?" Yeah, so important. The Bible uses hyperbolic language to describe something that is unimaginable. If I were to tell you, I'm from Kansas City,

and so I'm a humongous Kansas City chief fan. It's my one addiction in life. Like I am. Right on. You're from Kansas City? I'm from Kansas City. Are you really? I am. I was born in and blue springs. Dude, Ovalam Park Kansas right here. So you're on the Missouri side.

“I don't know. I'm on the Kansas side. That's crazy. How cool. Random is that?”

Or are you a chiefs fan? I'm going to get up and walk out of this interview if you're not. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Oh, oh, oh, Ovalam. Did you go to blue springs high school? Yeah, no, I was just powering there and then I'm okay. So they're actually a football powerhouse.

Anyways, if I were to tell you, the chiefs killed the raiders. Because you know, I hate the raiders. Every chiefs fan does. You know, I'm speaking in a language that means something different. This is hyperbolic language. We don't have a language to describe what a life completely apart from God would be like. It will be conscious torment. I don't believe that the scripture teaches an isolationism, although some fine Christians do. I don't believe that. Jesus wants you to know that you choose.

Lewis gives a great, great book where he talks about the fact that you're on a school bus. And ultimately, hell is what you decide. God doesn't design us to go to hell. He designed us to have a relationship with him through faith in Jesus Christ. So anyone right now who wants to become a Christian, they can just say, Jesus, come into my life, change my life. I trust in you to forgive me, my sins, and give me eternal life. I trust in you to do that. If you said just that prayer and you minute in your heart, you're forgiven immediately.

You have peace with God immediately. Romans 5 one says, "Therefore having been justified by faith,

we have peace with God through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." That's a showroom that never ends.

Hell is when people say, "No God, I don't want you in my life." And God gives you what you choose. He didn't create it for you. He created hell for the devil and his demons. God doesn't want them part of him for all eternity. So hell is there fire? Is there burning and gnashing of teeth? This is language like when I say the chiefs killed the raiders. It's something far worse. We don't have words to describe what absence from Jesus will be like. We have glimmers of it. You can go to parts of the world where

people hate God, hate Christians, try to control up people think. It's evil. And it's what scary about is, you know, I don't know if you've ever been to a concentration camp. Not right now, we're just that boot convolved. And the evil that a man can afflict on another person or a child, that's just a glimmer of what hell will be. And people are there right now who chose to not follow Jesus. And this is the thing, I can share

all of this evidence with you. And there are still people and this is the most dangerous place someone can get is when you stop seeking truth. Lazarus had been resurrected in John 11.

Lazarus in front of them and they were still wanting to kill Jesus. So for some, no evidence is enough.

And so we should all check our heart this Easter season and my addicted to truth and my

willing to follow truth wherever it leads. Because if I lose my grasp on truth, truly I lose my

“grasp on God because God has truth. Man, I love that. Thank you. I think we should end this”

and in another prayer. I would love that. Thank you, Sean. Thanks for having me. Thanks for the great

questions. My pleasure. Thank you for coming. Jesus, we just want to pray that this interview this

“discussion, this talk gets to anybody. Anybody who's on the fence coming to you. And we just”

want to wish everybody a happy resurrection day. Yes. And happy Easter. And we just want you to continue to be our Goding light to give us what we need to bring more people to you. Thank you. Amen. Amen.

“Amen. Great prayer. And thank you for having me. Thank you for coming. God bless you.”

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