#306 Bryce Crawford - Gen Z Evangelist on the Vices Destroying Your Life

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to ask myself every day to kind of keep my ass in line, make me a better person. I'm just curious if you have any thoughts on this. So I've been thinking about it and I'm not sold on this. I've been thinking about it over the weekend.

And it's amazing. I got off social media about a week, week and a half ago. And now I'm like doing all this other shit. I was scared to death to get off of it because of my head. How am I gonna know what's going on in the world?

I'm a podcast where I gotta know exactly what's happening every fucking second of every day. And then it just got, I just, I was like, dude, I can't be present with my kids. If I'm making mistakes, I'm saying things.

I had to pump the brakes and come on. And so now that that's gone, you don't realize like how toxic that shit is and how much, how much it takes up into brain. You know?

And now my brain's like getting creative again and going to explore and all these new things. Anyway, so I've been thinking about what question should I ask myself every day when I wake up? I wake up.

“I read that Jesus calling book, are you familiar with that?”

- Yeah, it's a great devotional series. - Yeah, I love that book. - Yeah, it's so good.

- And so I read that and it's always surprises me.

At least 50% of the time, it's like right on the money. You know what I mean, or what I was doing is I would read it at night after my day. - No, I switched it before the day to see how I like that. - I like that.

- Anyway, so these are the questions I came up with. - Yeah, I know what you think and maybe you have some too. How can I be a better father, better husband, a better son, what is my purpose for the day and how do I get into heaven?

- Wow, I think that's a great. What's the last question? What's the last question for? It's kind of like more of a reminder like, you gotta put out to get there.

- At least I think so. - Yeah. - And it's just something to keep in mind when you get that burning sensation in your gut, you wanna say I have a lot of times where you know, people will take advantage of me or whatever, wrong me.

And I have a real problem letting that stuff go sometimes and I'll get this burning sensation in my gut. And I will actually like fantasize about all the things

that I could do to them, and then I never wind up doing it.

'Cause I'm like, that's not what God wants for me. - Wow. - You know what I mean? And that fucker will learn his lesson one way or another. It doesn't have to be me wasting all my time and energy and focus on destroying somebody.

And I don't know, do you get that at all? - Yeah, yeah, I'm like, yeah, no, I'm right there. Whether you like people do something to me or hurt someone I love and I'm like, man, I just wanna do like the worst possible thing I can think of in my brain right now.

“You know, I think that's a human nature.”

Is that the hardest thing to turn the other cheek? - I mean, dude, how hard is it?

Once you get over it, you feel better.

And then if you engage, then you're stuck in this rut. - There's more shame after you engage, I feel. Then in the moment. And sometimes the human nature pride, battle, it's like, "Well, I don't wanna be tough and I gotta respond."

All these things, but man, the toughest thing we can do is just be like, I mean, imagine the Jesus is claiming to be the Messiah and everyone's like, yeah, I for nine, two, for two, you punch me, I hit you harder. And Jesus like, man, if I get hit on the left cheek,

I'm gonna give you the other one. - What? - That messes with me as a man. That messes with me as a new husband. And that shit messes with you as a father.

Like, if someone did something to your kid, oh my gosh. I haven't had the opportunity to have a kid. Yeah, I mean, I'm recently married, but like, you know, I, to think that I would have my own offspring and someone would hurt my kid.

And it wouldn't be impossible. Then that's just why I love the life of Jesus. He embodies that. I mean, he was back stabbed by Judas spit on, ran out of the country.

If anyone's son knows what it's like to be treated the way that we're talking about, I mean, it's got the father. - And, so what do you think? I mean, 'cause when I'm talking about is a lot of it's like petty bullshit, you know?

- Sure.

- I mean, that's always the worst.

- Yeah, that's the worst. - But, where do you draw the line is? 'Cause you also hear her, hey, we're supposed to call out evil and we're supposed to stand up for people who can't stand up for themselves and these kind of things.

And so, you know, where do you, how do you know? How do you know when to draw the line and when to walk away and be like, whatever man, this is not. This isn't worth engaging in or I'm playing my flag here.

“- Yeah, you know, I think there's a difference”

between love and trust, right? So like Jesus loved everyone equally. He loves unconditionally, right? His sacrifice was both for the Judas and for you and for me and for everyone.

But Jesus also had different levels of trust. So if you read the scriptures, he had the masses, then he had the 72, then he had 12, then he had Peter, James, and John, which he would take up to mountain sometimes, just then three,

and then he had John, the one whom he loved. And so there's levels of trust. And that would be like, you know, if we become friends and then, you know, I slap you in the face.

I'm always shamed, I'm so sorry.

You might be like, all right, that was a little random, but it's okay, I have forgive you. But if I keep hitting you in the face over and over at some point, you're gonna be like, all right, I'm gonna plant my foot down and put some distance, it's not that I don't love you,

but the most loving thing I can not only do for you, but for my family, and for myself, is I need to create a level of trust here. And so I think with people, it's okay to create different levels of trust.

You know, we have different seasons with people. - What do you mean create a level of trust

“with somebody that's hitting you on the face repeatedly?”

- You know, and that's like a metaphor, you know, so like, let's use this as an example. You know, you have a close friend. Maybe even someone on the team that's so close and knows you so well, right?

And they know things about you, then not the average bear knows, good and bad things like that. And let's say they accidentally slip up and say something that they weren't supposed to say, like, oh man, Sean, I'm so sorry.

Like, I was just in conversation and it didn't mean it. Like, I was just having a talk and it slipped out, I'm sorry. You know, it's like it's okay, just like, remember not to do it again. And then they don't do it again.

You would say, oh, well, that was just an honest mistake. Like, you really didn't mean to hurt me, even though it did hurt me. Like, that's an honest mistake. And sure, your trust may have been shaken,

but you're not gonna go, okay, you can't come around. I can't share the same information with you now. You know, let's say that happens again. And then they keep going around again and again and again.

Then you would say, oh, well, you probably don't really love me. And I actually can't trust you. And I've trusted you with so much and you've taken more than I've given and abused my love for you. And so there's nothing wrong with withholding certain information

“from people or things or what that's what I mean by creating”

that level of trust, you know? Gotcha. Like, we just now met with each other. Like, I'm gonna be an open book and tell you everything about my life and whatever you want to know, right?

But there's things that I tell my wife that I'm not gonna tell you. What? Not. Sorry, Sean, you know?

No, that doesn't mean I love you more or less, but you give it on saying, I get 100% good which I'm saying, yeah, let's gonna be a good conversation. How do you start your day, I'm just curious? I read a proverb of the day, a proverb of the day.

How do you do it? So there's 31 proverbs in the book of proverbs and there's normally 31 months in a, and a month, whatever day it is, read the proverb of that day, it's book of wisdom. Right on, there's some great stuff in there.

Straight out of the Bible, you read it? Yeah, 'cause I think like, do you ever use your phone for your alarm clock? I don't even need an alarm clock, you know what? 'Cause I have a three year old, excuse me, a four year old

and a three year old. Yeah, that's your alarm clock. My alarm goes off at about 4am every day. I like it, I like it. You know, for me, I have to use,

and I fall victim to this, like, you know,

and you scroll by waking yourself up. And imagine reading people's opinions, that changed every day.

As the first day you start your day.

And the day that I read, I opened up my phone and I read something negative about me. It breaks my heart if I read some positive and puss me up with pride and I'm the most impatient, prideful, rude, selfish version of myself

and I start my day off with people's opinions. But when I start my day off with what God thinks about me, he doesn't change his opinion about me. And so it's almost like my eyes are here. When I start my day off there and it doesn't matter

what's going on down here. Does that make sense? That's why I'm going to be, yeah. It's good boy to be, man. Yeah, so I'm going to try that.

When I wrap up with my chooses calling book. That's right, I've got about 10 months to go. (laughs) 10 more months, baby. Oh, but let me give you an introduction here.

Let's do it. Bryce Crawford, Christian Evangelist and Street Preacher focused on public face-to-face gospel conversations. You also go into hostile, you often go into hostile

territory alone. Known for sitting down with Satanists, the KKK leader furries and people at Burning Man to share the gospel with love, not condemnation. Founder of Bryce Crawford Ministries,

you're on tour now. Founder of praise, energy, and hydration, the beverage company experienced a dramatic faith conversion at age 17 after a period of anxiety, depression, and spiritual confusion. Publicly committed to evangelizing Jesus Christ to the world,

recently married to Maddie, congratulations. Once you guys get married, January 10th, January 10th, that's right.

“Dude, that's how do you like being married?”

I love it. It's the best thing that was awesome, isn't it? It gets better. I love it. Yeah, we need to get married young and have a load of kids.

That's what I think. I wish I would have started younger. Hey, but look at you now, you're a married man. Come on. I am.

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So that dude doesn't sound like a great guy. You know, I grew up knowing the prosperity gospel, I don't agree with it. There's this name and name claim and idea this was the prosperity gospel.

The prosperity gospel, essentially, is that God wants every human being to be healthy, wealthy, and prosper. Now, the definition of prosper, I think definitions are important.

So I think it would be how do we define success, how do we define prosperity, right? And I think the Bible defines it differently than some of these prosperity guys claim to define it.

“And I think success is, and I think you would agree,”

success isn't having an incredible podcast show.

Success is being a father and being a husband and loving Jesus, that's success. And so the true rich life according to scripture would be having Jesus. He is the prize.

And we read time and time again throughout scripture. You know, Moses had a stutter. Paul and second Corinthians 12, right? Hey, I got a thorn on my side and it's pissing me off.

But most of the new testament, one of the most impactful,

“if not arguably the most impactful Christian in all of history,”

he's like, yeah, you know, I have a lot to brag about, but I've got a thorn in my side. Even Paul said that God allowed suffering in Paul's life because it kept him humbling, reliant on God. And so this idea that everyone needs to be healthy

and wealthy and prosper. And, you know, if you're not that way, it's because you're not praying enough or reading your Bible enough or because it has something to do with you. I have a hard time seeing that in scripture.

And so, so we got the opportunity to sit down

with him first sit down and interview.

I think in over 15 years. Wow. And we got the opportunity to sit down with him. And, you know, when I told them up front, I said, look, I'm gonna be respectful, I'm not mean.

I mean, I don't agree with the prosperity message, but I'm willing to talk and we sat down. He's 89 years old. And so you, I mean, just imagine having a conversation with an 89 year old loves to talk,

loves to tell stories about life. And that's the deal. You know, so even though we got the opportunity to share the gospel, I mean, to talk about the Bible and his prosperity gospel, and even though I disagree,

I mean, they were most of the times where it was just him talking. And I saw something off camera that I don't think anyone has seen about him and it made me have a soft spot form a little bit, even though I disagree with the message.

As our crew was tearing down the equipment, he looks at me and he starts kind of shaking a little bit. And for a second, I just thought maybe it was like a health thing. You know, he's old, he's 89, about to be 90.

And he looks at me and he starts crying. I don't think anyone else in the room saw this. And he looks at me and he just goes like, I really need Jesus, like I need him. I need him every day.

So he said to me, and, you know, I don't agree with that prosperity gospel message. I think it's a false gospel. But when I'm looking at an 89 year old man who's crying over the fact that no one on camera

or on recording is seeing that he's looking at me and says, I need Jesus desperately every day. Crying to me. And maybe I have a soft spot for him that I don't think a lot of people see.

And even though you disagree with people and we need to stand for truth, I don't think that's a reason to hate people.

“And so that's why I was grateful for the conversation.”

That's good. What you guys talk about. Well, we tried to talk about the prosperity gospel and he went through scripture and showed me his points. But, you know, again, because of his age,

there was a lot of him just talking. And, you know, when I would try to talk back, he would just kind of talk. And it wasn't like him talking trying to prove a point of just he was, I'm not, he was just so old.

Do you know what I meant? And so we just, I mean, we recorded for almost four hours. See, that's the longest I've ever recorded. And I don't have anyone and we took, you know, took breaks, he's, he's, he's on his older age.

But he loves talking about his wife. Love's talking about his grandkids. And he's just, it's just like talking to a grandpa, you know. Did you see him out to talk about the prosperity? Yeah, I, well, I had, well, I want it to sit down

and talk with him because I'd never had the opportunity

to talk to someone about the prosperity gospel. You know, that's like our whole thing. We're talking to KKK. We're talking to Furries. We're talking to Black Keeper Israelites.

We're talking to Muslims. We're talking to everybody. Black Keeper Israelites. You know what the Black Keeper Israelites? I've never even heard that.

Oh, dude, it'll blow your mind. What is it? It's a cult basically where they think Black people are only in people that can enter the kingdom of heaven.

“I think Black people are the only people”

that can enter the kingdom of heaven. Well, now they say Latin Americans and Native Americans, but essentially they believe that Black people are, are the true Israel, their gods, true chosen people. And so if you're not Black, you're essentially going to hell.

So right now according to the Black Keeper Israelite, theology, you and I are on a fast track to hell right now. Because of our skin color. Interesting. Why do they think that? They, you know, again, like these false doctrines,

that's the nastiest thing about deception, Sean. Because you don't know you're being deceived when you're being deceived. And so, you know, it's like the same thing with the prosperity gospel.

It's the same thing with the KKK leader guy. Like they can cherry pick things from scripture and quote mine to find things that fit their narrative. And like the way that we should approach the Bible is not, let me find things in the Bible that fit in my life,

that fit in my worldview, that fit in my theology. Let me let the Bible transform my worldview. Because I'm a selfish human being, I'm prideful at heart. I don't know at all. You know, so I need to have someone outside of myself.

You know, it's like looking to older people, the experience, the wisdom, okay?

We have an internal God that has always existed

that has created this ever-expanding universe that sits in the palm of his hand. I want to know what he thinks about my life. If my original design, what it looks like to be a father, what it looks like to be a friend,

what happens when someone hits me and does me wrong. You know, how to face suffering, how to endure through suffering.

And so people can pull anything from scripture

and make it fit their worldview. You know, that's why we have a,

“oh, whatever one should be healthy, wealthy, and prosper.”

Or, oh, we'll only black people or God's chosen people. Or on the contrary, the KKK leader, we'll white people are the chosen people of Israel and the KKK leader looked at me in the face and said black people and Asian people

are of lesser moral values than white people, really. And that broke my heart. Skin color determines someone's moral value and worth. Where did you meet this guy? These guys are just like on the internet.

These like the Thomas Rob has been around for ages and ages. I mean, he's a, now there's like different like sex and versions of like the clue-plex clan, but he's the leader of the KKK in Arkansas

and they're just, any claims to be a pastor. Wow, blows my mind. That's so random. That is wild man.

It's a fascinating way to listen to an interview.

There's a, there's a town called Pulaski that's like, you're familiar with it? No, no. It's about an hour south here, okay. And I don't, I don't know if it was a branch,

but they say that the KKK was kind of more not a Pulaski. And I don't know if that means like the Tennessee chapter, or the whole thing, or what. But long time ago, I did this woman's podcast.

And she, way before I was able to podcast her and she went down and interviewed the leader down there today. Oh, my goodness. I guess if I'm five, six years ago, yeah.

Man, some of the shit that they were, that guy was saying I was, it just blew my mind. Like, where if people get this stuff shot? - Blood transfusions, like if he's on, if his son was, I remember one of the questions was,

we were talking about blood transfusion transfusions for medical emergencies and if in the interview or asked him if his wife or his son or somebody was dying in the hospital. And the only blood available for the blood transfusion

would have been a black person's blood. He said he would refuse it and let his wife and kid die. - Yeah, that is wild. - I know, man. I was like, that's a serious hate.

That is real hate, that is some serious hate. Moral value is determined by skin color. - It's unreal, that is unreal. I don't know where we get that, what world we live in that feeds that.

“That's why I think Jesus and the gospel narrative”

is necessary. You know, that's the price tag. What's the price tag that God puts on our life? You know, if we go to Macy's and there's an awesome for coat, because I know that's your style, a nice for coat,

or a hundred and twenty dollars at Macy's and not a lot of people are buying it. It's gonna make its way to TJ Maxx. And when it gets to TJ Maxx, it's gonna be 1990 not, because people didn't think it was worth paying

a hundred and twenty dollars for. And so that same question, it's like, what's the value God puts on my life? And the scriptures would say, well, God values our own life as his own.

Like the price tag that Jesus Christ put on my life was his own. And to think that the God of the universe, who doesn't even know death in his own nature,

has always existed, living outside of time and space,

hubbles himself in the form of flesh, and enters into time and space, enters into this narrative of time that we track our lives with, that we look at the calendar, that we wonder, oh, when's the sun coming up

and when's it going down? He enters into this time and space, and lives in the same wicked world, with the same temptations and lives it sinlessly. And then dies a death that he didn't deserve.

He died of death that wasn't his to own. I don't know about you, but if I was being accused of junk that I didn't do, I'd be the first guy

“to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you must have heard me wrong”

or I didn't say that or I didn't do that or that's not pull up the security camera footage, 'cause I didn't do that. He stayed silent, the whole time. And Hebrews 12, chapter 12, verse two,

I think this is the greatest depiction of the gospel. It says, we look to Jesus, who is the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him he endured the cross and he despised the shame. That phrasing right there, the only reason

that Jesus Christ did not get down off the cross, because he's got, he could've gotten down off the cross, he could've stopped it right there. He could've jumped down and been fully healed and not beaten and unrecognizable,

but it said the reason that he stayed on the cross was not because of the thickness of the nails, but it was because of love, that your face thinking about relationship with you is what kept him on the cross.

You were the joy set before Jesus. That's why he endured the pain. And then it says, he despised the shame. Shame despises us and guilt despises us, because we have things to be shamed for for and guilty of.

Jesus had nothing to be ashamed of. Jesus had nothing to be guilty of. He defeated shame. He defeated guilt. That is unreal.

And to think that someone can't receive this unconditional love

just because of their skin color, or because of where they grew up. Or even nowadays, we see that we hate each other just because of our political party affiliation. Yeah, that's a big thing.

Like, what are we doing? What are we doing? I mean, we need Jesus. God's not gonna return on a white horse with an American flag and a shotgun and a beer in his hand.

You know, that's not how he's gonna kill if he did, though. I mean, I feel like, you know, Jesus is a patriot. You know, that's not how he's gonna return. He's gonna return on a white horse in power and glory to bring judgment on the earth.

To take care of these things, the wrongs that have been done past, present, and future. You know, why are we hating each other over different political affiliation? And the Bible says that the goodness of God

brings man to repentance. Like, what are we doing? I love that, you know, you were talking about

“definition of success or something I think about”

all the time with how successful, you know, the show is God and the business and all of that kind of stuff and you're on a pipeline to that. I mean, what you've done is it's crazy. I don't know how you're dealing with the fame

and all that kind of stuff. I hate it. But if you do a right and I feel a huge responsibility because of it. So anyways, what do you think about success?

I mean, you've built a massive following. You're getting busy. We're gonna try out your new energy drink here in a minute.

- You're the first person outside of our team that's tried it.

- Really. - You are? - Right on, man. What is success to you 'cause shit gets complicated, the better you get?

- You know what does, you know, I'm right there with you. No one says that's an impress me. This is not impress me. People talk a lot. And you know, as I've been, you know,

I've been a Christian for a little over five years now I've been doing our ministry. This is going on our third year. But I've been a Christian longer than we've done it. And I've seen some dirty aspects of our ministry.

I've seen some things that have hurt me. Some things that have rubbed me the wrong way. Some things that made me question the motives of certain people. But true to success, there's no dollar amount

that deem success, you know.

There's no following. And that's the deception of the world.

“It's like people think that success is, oh.”

Well, if I don't have a big enough podcast of Sean Ryan, and that's not what it means to have a podcast. I'm not successful, or. Oh, if I'm not as rich as Mark Zuckerberg, man,

I'm, I'm really losing it. Is that really what success looks like? I heard a quote from a pastor in Nashville seems liophilips. He says, we don't pray for fame.

We stewered influence. God has given every individual a level of influence. And that's why it's important for us to reflect on our gifts and use our gifts for the glory of God.

You know, before I was a believer, I was fascinated with writing. I would take these college writing classes. He says, hey, classes like I just loved trying to take complicated ideas and complicated subjects

and making them a simple way for people to understand and when I became a believer, God has allowed me to use that gift, but now for his glory. Instead of talking about myself and benefiting off myself, I talk about Jesus and reach people in that way.

And you know, I don't know why, still to this day,

“I want to, God, why are we reaching the people that we do?”

Why? I don't understand. It's only the grace of God that God's allowed us to do. That's the grace of God that God's allowed you to do what you do. And so in this moment, I think,

man, Sean, like, God trust you. No, you've been faithful with little, so God can trust you with much. God really trusts you. And there's seasons of your life that no one has seen.

No one's known that known the junk that you've been through. The long nights, the early mornings, not just being a husband and a father, but being a business owner, being a man, being a friend, serving our country.

No one knows half the crap that you've been through. And you've been faithful with what God's given you. So God trust you. You know, with all this, I mean, this was, did you'll find this, too, when you have kids,

and probably find it already, now that you're married. But, you know, all this takes away from that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Then it's a tough, tough thing to balance

and you're constantly wondering if you're doing the right thing. Absolutely. Do you have any idea how you're going to balance it? I mean, I know you want to start your busy. You're going all over the place,

and I know you want to start speaking at schools, universities, and we'll get into that later. But if you thought about how you will balance all this when your kids arrive, oh, man. It's tough.

The Bible says the man that neglects his family's worse than the unbeliever. I don't even say that.

And man, I would hate, hate, to have a successful ministry and come home and have a failing marriage. And the failing, you know, a bad relationship with my kids. You know, people get swallowed up by this thing called the ministry monster, or let's call the business monster

to make it accessible, to not just people can find a Christian.

“And it like the business monster, the success monster, right?”

Success is more and more and more. That's not the case. And so, you know, making decision for the glory of God, right?

Because that's what it ultimately is.

Like, if I'm a Christian and I want to submit myself to Jesus, I want to make a decision for the glory of God. And making a decision for the glory of God looks like setting yourself up best spiritually. You know, so if you're making decisions that are robbing you

from spiritual intimacy with Jesus, it's keeping you dry from your family, like your first ministry shot, is your family. That's your first duty. And now that I'm married, like the Bible says in Ephesians 4, that my duty as a husband is to lay my life down for my wife,

just as Christ has loved to church us. And so I had to be ready to die for Maddie. I had to be ready to lay my life down for her. And to think that I'm going to sacrifice her for people, or success, don't give me wrong.

I love people, but for the sake of this first ministry,

absolutely not. And so really it's just looking like making decisions that set me up best spiritually. And those are things right now that we've prayed into. You know, this decision to go in the college campuses is something

that I felt like God spoke to us about. And when Maddie and I met, it was months before we had started the ministry. And still to this day, like I desire to get a flip phone, and throw my iPhone off of a cliff and go live in the middle of Kansas and in the middle of nowhere, if I could.

See, that's what I'm getting. That's what I think about. You know, and so when you're talking about success and you're talking about these trivial things, like trying to build wealth, trying to build a following.

I mean, it's even that becomes a balance because, yeah,

you can say, I could say, yeah, I work my ass off. And I definitely spend more time at work than I do at home. I think that's true for just about anybody who is a provider, right? But the more that you can bring home, the better life,

your family could live, you know, you can live in a better neighborhood, better education, that, you know, better everything except time. And so on the other hand, you could move out into the middle of Kansas and the middle of the woods, you know what I mean? And have a very low cost of living in razor kids

and spend all that time with your kids. Does that set them up for their future? I don't know. Yeah, you know what I mean?

“So that's what you'd like this dichotomy of, what is the balance?”

Yeah, yeah, I mean, for example, like wealth, right? The Bible doesn't say money is inherently simple. It says that the love of money is wrong, right? Money is a moral, it has no feelings or emotions. Now, that's why in Luke 18, I think it's so interesting because the rich man,

he's like, oh, Jesus, how do I inherit eternal life? And if you read the scripture, he's like kind of puffing his chest, because he, he's like, I already know the answer, but I'm just asking to ask. And Jesus is like, well, you know, love the Lord, your God with your heart,

so much strength, he's like, yeah, I get it. Tell me something I don't know. And Jesus is like, okay, well, then sell everything you have and then follow me. It says that the man got very sad, because he loved his money more than he loved God. And I think that's the diagnosis that we have to make, not just with money with anything.

When something matters more than what matters most, it's an idol. Relationships can be an idol. When you try to find your fulfillment in your partner rather than Jesus, and you're going to put God expectations on a limited finite human being that can't handle God expectations, because they're not God.

And so when it comes to navigating success, like, it's not wrong to have goals.

“That's why I love a Ruslan's godly ambition, like ambitions, not inherently wrong.”

That's why the Sabbath was created. We need to rest, we need rhythms of rest. I don't want to get to heaven well rested. I don't want to be lazy. There's two opposite extremes.

It's like, we either work seven days a week or we don't work at all. And laziness and procrastination is just as bad as overworking. And it's this weird balance, right there. You know, to be honest, like, I don't even have a full answer. It's like, where do you draw the line?

Do you only do 40 hours a week? Do you only make this amount of money a year? Do you do this? Do you do that? And I'm going to be honest, I don't think the Bible is actually necessarily making a specific

truth claim about a certain salary amount, a certain work hours, or anything. But God has trusted us with family, friends, businesses for a reason. And so that's why we need to pray and ask God, like, God, what do you want me to do?

Because even in the midst of chaos, he gives us peace. Now, like a practical thing I'm thinking about, I read this book called "Leadership" by a man named Brian Tracy. And essentially from the business perspective, he says, he would say, like, "Hey, Sean,

“think about the only thing that you could do for the rest of your life that would benefit”

the business the most, what would it be?" And you just think of it right in your brain. Like, you probably think of it right now, you're like, "If I did this thing, that would benefit the business the most, if this was the only thing I did."

He says, "Okay, all right, think of another thing, a second thing.

If you could only do that thing and one other thing for the rest of your life, that would benefit the business, what would it be?" "Okay, great." And then he does it one more time. If you could think of a third thing, so you have three things.

The first two things and another one that would benefit the business the most, what would it be? He says, "Okay, after those three things, delegate the rest." And I have applied that to many different things in my own life, business, family, friends, like what three things when it comes to ministry, like, what is Bryce's job that's not going to allow him to burn out?

And I think that's a good question. Like, what does burnout? Burn out happens when you put the wrong fuel in an engine, or an engine does something it's not designed to do. An apple tree doesn't have to try to grow apples and naturally bears fruit.

As a Christian, we will naturally bear fruit as a good leader. You won't naturally bear fruit.

“And that's why I think when it comes to everything, that's why I think the Bible is so”

important. We have to keep pointing back to that because it's this transcendent piece of literature that has impacted generations before us today and the future. I mean, that's what that picture is, that rainbow picture, all the cross-references and 62th something thousand times.

Is that not wild? It's wild. Crazy.

So, you know, I think it's interesting that we're always in this dynamic, but I think

ultimately, you know, I constantly have to at the end of the day, you know, your wife, my wife, we have to count the costs sometimes. Do you feel anointed in what you're doing? We had this, we went to, I don't go to church. We talked a lot about it at home, I just don't like going to church.

And because I've gone to a couple where it didn't feel like, whatever, I felt like I was kind of used as exposure to grow the church. Sure, that made me feel very uncomfortable because it's not what this is about. This is about Christ, right? Absolutely.

And that kind of didn't turn me off from Christ or the bot, anything like that. It just, I was like, "Ah, maybe this is just isn't for me." And so we brought it home. And then last weekend, we had dinner with a couple that we've been friends with for a long time and they said they had tried a new church and my wife wanted to go.

Amazing. I was like, "All right, well, they said it's super small." So we were like, "All right, we'll try it." And we went, you know, it was great. Great message, very small.

Wasn't even in a church. It was in like part of an office building, almost seemed like some kind of underground. I was like, "But it was cool." Yeah. And they were talking about John the Baptist was the first prophet after the 400 years of

silence. Yep. And we were talking about being anointed. And anyways, this led to a conversation this morning and my wife asked me if she feels like, "She asked me if I feel like I've been anointed to do some of the things that

I'm doing." And I said, "I think so."

But and she asked what it felt like and I said, "I mean, you never really know."

I was like, "I said, it's not a good feeling. I can tell you that, it's not a good feeling. I feel like I've made a trade."

“And what I'm going with this is my, my, yes, I think I'm supposed to be doing exactly what”

I'm doing right now. More in particular, I think because I'm a new Christian, I don't really have fear of questions. I ask a lot of questions, a lot of people fear to ask out of embarrassment or whatever it may be. And I think that helps grow Christianity and the other thing, Christ.

The other thing is the kids, the protecting the kids, we've done some super dark interviews. We get people try to sue us all the time. Got another letter this morning about this thing going on in Cancun, in Cancun, in whatever anyways. We're calling out some really big institutions and a lot of people and that can be dangerous.

And, you know, I've had a higher security, you know, and she was asked to be what I thought

It's more of like a burden that's a duty that I feel than a good thing. And what I mean by the trade-off is, in my mind, I have these conversations with God. And it's, oh, shit, you put another one of these on my plate and you want me to do this. And I'm going to do it, but I need you to protect me and my family. And when that stops, this stops.

I don't even know if that's the right conversation and be having or not, but that's how I feel. I'm wondering if you feel any. Wow. Anything like that. I love the culture.

“And I think that's what God wants, God wants to honesty.”

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Tell me if I'm doing this wrong, 'cause I don't watch it. A little flick like that, right? It seems pretty cool. It is pretty cool. Got a silencer.

In another lifetime, I did gun reviews for a living. It's a proprietary magazine, supposedly the best engineering in the world. When that breaks, you're... And now we're bringing it back. It does look pretty f***ing cool.

I got it, met that. And what we're doing, the term annoying. I left that like as I hear a lot in the Chris's face to be honest. I don't even know what that means. What do you mean?

I'm walking out of responsibility. I don't really know the definition. Sure. Like I said, I'm a baby Christian, but I feel... To me, I know it's more than this, but it's finding...

Maybe it's not more than this. It's finding your exact purpose. And this is what you are here to do, buddy. And it's not going to be easy. It's going to be hard.

But this is what I want you to do. Yeah. That's what I think it means. What do you think it means? I mean, I think God has given you a unique gift.

And a special burden to stand against evil. That's why you do the things that you do. God has given you a gift of conversation and care for people to search out the truth.

“And I think that's why you've found Christ because he claims to be the truth.”

God's given you this unique gift. I've just talked about it last night at one of our tour stops, Matthew 25. It talks about the parable of the talents. God gives five talents to one guy, two talents to one guy, and one to another guy.

And essentially, the two first guys, the guy with five in the guy with two,

they go multiply it. But the last guy he was so afraid, he went and dug it up, dug up a hole in the ground

And so then when the money master came,

the first two, they were ready.

They were prepared. They persevered through hard times. But they were ready. I said, hey, master, you gave me the five talents. I'm multiplied it.

Here you go. He said, well done. My good and faithful servant experienced this joy. Second guy. You didn't give me as much as the first guy.

But I was able to multiply it. He says, well done. My good and faithful servant, go experience this joy. And the last guy says, oh man, you're a really hard and tough guy and kind of scary. You know, you sow where people don't sow and reap where people don't reap.

And so to be honest, like I just went and hit it in the ground. Because I knew you were coming back and I was a little afraid and I was a little nervous.

But here's what was yours.

And the money lender gets mad at the man and casts him out into the darkness. This parable essentially is saying, hey, God has given every human being unique gifts and talents. Sean, I don't covet your gifts. I'm not jealous of your gifts.

“You have to deal with a lot of crap that I don't have to deal with and I'm grateful.”

But also you were built for this. God designed you uniquely and knows that he can trust you with it. That you can handle it. There's things that God can trust you with that he can't trust me with. And that doesn't make me jealous as a brother that makes me grateful for a guy like you.

There's things that God can trust me with that maybe he can't trust you with. And that should make you grateful for me. There's things that God can trust other people with that he can't trust us with. And that should make us grateful for them. And so God has given you unique gifts and talents and you're walking it out.

And you said to yourself, that doesn't mean it's going to be easy. And knowing that it's going to be hard doesn't make it any better. But even when suffering comes and trial comes and it's again, again, we keep pointing back to Jesus, but we have to. You know, he was spit on mocked, chased after one Sunday, they're celebrating him.

The following week, the same people that were laying palm leaves at his feet were saying, crucify the man that is only healed people and release the prisoner that's a rapist, a thug and a murder. Release that guy, the same people. And so, you know, I fully don't know why God has allowed you and trusted you with these things.

“But in the grand scheme of things, imagine standing before the Lord in heaven.”

He's like, man, look at all these people that have been impacted because you, you endured. And the final thing I'll say to you is Paul says that it's greatest accomplishment. You know, we talked about him earlier, one of the most impactful Christians in all of human history. He says as a greatest achievement was not writing most of the new testament.

It was not what happened to him when he used to kill Christians and then he became one. He said as a greatest achievement is that he fought the good fight. He kept the faith and he finished the race. And I think we need to hold on to that a lot. What do you feel?

Do you feel a nointed? Do you feel like you're doing what you're supposed to be doing? I'm confident I'm walking out with God. It's called me to do, but I agree with you, it doesn't make it easy. I wouldn't wish on any man some of the stuff that we have to go through.

How do you know? How do I know that I'm walking it out? How do you know? You're doing what you're supposed to be doing. Well, I think a couple of things.

Number one, I just reflect it on the gifts God has given me. And I've attempted to just use them for his glory. I think that's a good marker for anyone that wants to figure out what am I supposed to do with God.

“You know, there's a famous quote that says if you want to know God's will for your life,”

read the Bible out loud. And that's like a practical thing of like what it means to be a Christian, but like the specific things that we do for the Lord, like reflect on your life just because you come up with a Christian, every Christian doesn't have to become a pastor.

You know, like we need Christians in the business world. We need Christians at the gym. We need Christian waiters and waiters as I just reflected on the gifts that I felt I got it given me. To use them for his glory. But second thing is I just move off of the piece of God.

God, do you give me peace in this situation? And here's the beautiful thing, Sean. It's like, let's say that you make a decision thinking that you're doing it for the glory of God. And it's not. There's grace.

See, that's I was going to go there afterwards. But yeah, in that book that I, you know, Jesus calling, there was one a couple days ago that said that something along the lines of a lot of people will say they're doing things in my name and they're not. Yep. And I think it may have even said that they don't even realize what they're not.

And then that may make me think, well, shit. Maybe I'm, maybe I'm totally off the mark. I probably am. You know that why, you know that makes you different though, because the people that think that they're doing things for God and are, they're not asking themselves that question.

They're not. And that's what makes you different. I mean, read Matthew seven. Well, Jesus, I mean, we, we prophesied your name, we were cast in demons out of your name. We were healing the sick in your name.

And he says, the part for me, I never knew you.

It's not that those things were bad. They just weren't following Jesus. And that's fascinating. Like the people that are doing those things, not for God.

You care about relationship with Jesus.

That's what makes you different. Hmm. Well, thank you. Yeah, absolutely. I'm grateful for you.

Well, let's do. I'm grateful for you too. Thank you. Let's, let's get into your life story.

“But first, before we do that, let's pray.”

Let's do it, lead it. I would love to. All right. My name. Jesus, we just thank you so much.

God for today. Lord, thank you for Sean and everything that you're doing in this life and moving in this heart. Lord, Jesus, which you continue to just bless this family. Bless this team. Bless this show.

God, thank you for the ways that you're using Sean to reach people. God, I pray that you bless this episode that every word spoken between me and Sean would just before your glory point people to you. God, thank you for the stay. Thanks for waking us up. Thanks for the weather.

Thanks for putting your breath inside of our lungs and Lord.

We just invite you into this space.

The scripture say we're two or more gathered. You are here, so Lord Jesus, we thank you for being with us. That's in your name. We pray. Amen.

Amen. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely. All right. Couple things before we get going.

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Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I got some for you. I got two things for you. Right on, man.

Number one, I got a match and t-shirt for you. Oh, dude. Awesome. And I washed it for you. So it's nice and clean.

There you go. I hate Satan shirt. Perfect. Thank you. But outside of the shirt, I got something that means a lot to me that I wear on my backpack.

I like patches on my backpack. Right on. And I've had this patch for a while. This patch has been into some dark areas. I've been into the satanic temple with this thing.

I've been in a different areas trying to be a light. And has John 1513 on it. It says a greater love has no man than this that a man laid down his life for his friends. Oh, man. You've done that for our country and you've done that in many other ways. So I thank you.

I want to give you that. Yeah. Absolutely. This is good framed. Let's go.

Put it in the studio. I love it. Thank you. It's got some wear and tear on it. It's got some dark areas.

They tan a temple. What the hell is that? It's real. And it's in Salem, Massachusetts. So it's pretty.

It's more like just like a political activist group. What hold on? Okay. We're going to get into the live story. Let's get into satanic temple.

What the hell? What is it? I mean, okay. So like the satanic temple, it's not like it's not really what you think.

“Like when you think of temple, you imagine like, oh, like people being sacrificed like that's what you think.”

But it's more, they have it more as a museum. They have just this like demonic satanic art throughout it.

It's more of a political activist movement. They promote abortion.

They basically just say like, have you ever seen the baffamette goat?

Have you ever seen that? So it's like that goat head with the women's breast. And it's sitting there with its hands. It's got two children underneath it. Essentially they say, hey, look, if you're going to have the Ten Commandments in a school,

“you should have baffamette in the school.”

Which is like counter, counter cultural to the Ten Commandments. So they promote abortion in a bunch of different political activist groups. It's a really dark space. Is it legitimately called the satanic temple? Yeah, you can look it up.

It's in Salem, Massachusetts. It's sincerely one of the darkest places I've ever been in in my life. And both times we went in there, we went in there to pray. Pray that every person that steps foot in that place would feel the conviction of God and leap. Okay, walk me through the whole thing. I want to hear this.

Yeah, so we'll Salem Massachusetts. They film like all the Halloween stuff there. And so in the fall, like I can get a little crazy down there. So we do a lot of evangelism during October and Salem Massachusetts. But that's where the satanic temples head quarters, per se, is there.

It's this building. It's just a little black house. Really is what it is. But you can buy a ticket, go tour it. But there's not much in there. It's just a few bedrooms.

And then like a merch booth where they're selling like the satanic Bible and things like that.

I've never read it myself.

I tried to get one and couldn't get my hands on one because they were selling out so much in Halloween. Why are we buying the satanic Bible? What's going on? But you know, you walk through there. And they're just like weird bloody demonic naked images and like paintings and art in there.

The famous baffa met statue is in there. You can like take a like just from a practical standpoint. Like people going there and take photos with it. And weird interesting like statues and and and relics. But it's dark.

And a lot of the people that work there, they're not really satinists. They're more atheists. So it's more of like a political movement. An activist movement essentially. But the things that they promote are demonic and it's dark.

And so we just wanted to go be a light. So we went in there and prayed and asked Jesus to convict people that walk in there. Because there's people that they don't believe any of that stuff that just go in there and see it.

“What do you, I mean, you feel anything walking in there?”

Absolutely. I mean, you know, you feel this like uneasiness in your heart and your spirit. It feels dark. It feels demonic. It feels heavy.

You can feel the weight of the world in there. Even. And I'm going to be honest. There's very few environments that I go into that I like don't like to be in. That's one of them.

Well, but that's really one of them. It's it's it was harder to go into this year than last year. You've been into it multiple times. Yeah, I've been in there twice. I went in 2024.

And so we went in there and we made a video going in there and praying in there. And then this year we went again in 2025. This last year we went again in 2025. And we weren't the only Christians to go in there like our video encouraged other believers to go in there and do the same and pray in there. Which is like, which is that that has been the ultimate goal.

It's like we want to go to cities to that next time people beat us to it. You know, that's that's a cool goal to know that maybe next time you share Jesus is someone there. Like, oh, somebody already told me about him. You know, that's pretty good. But it's dark.

And it's heavy in there.

“But the Bible tells us that Jesus is the light.”

And if he lives inside of us and we can be the light anywhere at all times to anybody. Right on there. Yeah. All right. Where'd you grow up?

I grew up in Georgia. I grew up in a small town called Carter'sville, Georgia. Are you a big football guy? No. Okay.

Well, the people that are football guys Trevor Lawrence. He's the quarterback of the Jacksonville Jaguar. He grew up in my hometown. Oh, cool. If he didn't grow up there, no one wouldn't know where this town is at all.

So it's like, you know, a small town north of Atlanta about an hour. A group in Georgia. And I got a brother with autism. His name's Tyler. And I have a mother and a father and I'm sure in Steve.

Older or younger brother. Older brother. She's about four years older than me. Three years, four years older than me. Right on.

Yeah. Wolverine 2 grown up. I love sports. I love sports. I love baseball.

I wrestled middle school and high school for seven years. I wrestled. I like watching football.

I always played outdoors.

I was never really in the video games too much. But I was also pretty extraverted. I'd love just hanging out with friends. I grew up hunting with my dad. I like to reading growing up.

I was probably like a jack of all trades. Master of none. You know, I just had my hand in a bunch of buckets. I loved it. Did you grow up in the Bible in the Word?

Well, I grew up. I grew up like a lot of people. I feel like grew up in the South. I grew up going to church.

in particular a sticker or a keychain or an add-on to life.

We're like the go outside of America. It is embedded into the culture. Religion is a cultural thing.

“It means more to them than just like, oh, going to church on Sundays.”

But for me, I grew up going to church. I went to the vacation Bible schools. I went to youth camps in middle school. I probably got saved 30 times in two summers at a church camp. Just singing songs and going, like, God, I love you.

And then when it came to like going and telling people about, I'm no, I'm not doing that. So, you know, I grew up doing it. But I was really hurt by people that claim to be Christian. And that's where from a young age that this bitterness towards God

and this lack of trust and Christians kind of came from. I even went to a private Christian school from the fourth grade till I graduated. And so, you know, we stopped going to church and about the fifth grade. But I went to private Christians school.

I was always around some sort of talk about Jesus reading some sort of Bible

verse for a quiz and test at my school. Like people that like I knew that claim to follow Jesus. But I just, I had some issues. What were the issues? I mean, I think with anyone, I mean, you know how it is.

People need to put their money where the math is. We love to talk in our generation now, but we don't like to live it out. It's all noise now. And that was my biggest issue.

“And that's why I was like mentioned that earlier.”

It's like noise doesn't impress me, because I've been around it for so long. I mean, there were people that were close friends and even in our family that claim to love God with their mouth, but their actions were the total opposite of what they would tell me to do, of what people would tell me to do. I would go to my Christian school and I got a great education and I loved it there.

I still love it and I'm still friends with some of the teachers. But there were some instances where some teachers would tell me what to do in my life. And I would see them outside of school doing the total opposite of what they were telling me to do. And so I'm like, man, if that's what Jesus is like, I want nothing to do with that. If Jesus is a hypocrite like this, I don't want anything to do with that.

And then I had seen like pastors fall, you know, people cheat on their wives and such like that in our community. Like cheat on their wives and steal money from the church and run. Go if that's what Jesus is like, I want nothing to do with that. And then like in school, because I would have Christian school, Jesus became more of like an intellectual thing to me.

It wasn't like Jesus is a real person. He's alive. He's got it. It's just more like this is the guy that you talk about on your quizzes and your tests. The occasional, you know, Bible essay and we have a chapel every Thursday. Wow. So you were checked out by fifth grade. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. And you know, like a lot of people don't, we don't give like young people to credit.

Like young people are smart. Very smart. I'm not just saying like, oh, I'm smart. Like young people are smart. They listen. They're watching. And so that was like a really big issue.

I had I was watching a lot of things. And then ultimately, like in the eighth grade,

my dad's dad had gotten pancreatic cancer. Oh, man. And when he got pancreatic cancer, because Bryce was the one that went to Christian school, there was kind of like this underlying like no word spoken hay. You know, you, you, you go to the Christian school. You're the Christian.

Like you need to go visit. Grandi and make sure that, you know, he's going to have. Well, I just shared with you, I have this bitterness towards God. I don't really care. So I visited my grandpa one time at the very beginning of his battle.

And then I wouldn't go any more after that. And then I vividly remember this one day.

“My dad came upstairs to my room and said, hey, you know, do you want to go see Grandi in the hospital?”

And I said, no, not today. And that was the day that my grandpa died. And that day was the day that Jesus became the man that killed my grandfather. And that was the day that really began my deep battle with depression and anxiety. I had struggled with it a little here and there throughout middle school.

And that day, the eighth grade, was the day that it really all began. And yeah, that was, you know, an interesting season and hard time to think that, why, you know, why God, why would you do such a thing? That's the thing that's going through my brain. Like, why is that the reason? In Matthew chapter 16, Jesus asks his own disciples, who did the people say that I am?

And I think we ask ourselves that question every day, who is Jesus to you?

And that was the day that Jesus became the man that killed my grandfather.

And that really smiled me into this like season of depression and anxiety. That lasted for years and years and years. Man, how bad did it get? He got really bad. I mean, every night I would come home and I would just want to lay in bed.

And I wouldn't want to talk to anyone and I would be sad. I would cry about every night every other night. I didn't want to tell anyone because I was embarrassed. My depression and anxiety almost felt like a cancer. Like, oh, if someone gets near me and they touch me or they're going to know that I'm going through this or like,

or they're going to like feel like that they don't want to be friends with me because I struggle with this. And I had other struggles and depression and anxiety. Like in the fifth grade, I had gotten exploited to pornography. And so I battled a pornography addiction from the fifth grade from the fifth grade.

“I was, I'll never forget you never forget how you're introduced to a drug.”

You never forget. Never forget. I was on the beach and some random man came up and showed me a meme. A meme and it had porn in it. And that's how I got hooked.

That day, I'll never forget.

So I cared the shame of like pornography addiction from the fifth grade. And I treated women horribly because that created this fantasy in my life that then led to me like just treating women horribly. And I never did drugs or alcohol. I never, I never tasted alcohol before. I've never done a drug.

It was never attracted to me. I saw it ruined. People close to me that I loved and so it made me stay away from it. But everyone has their own vices. I was a big people pleaser.

In high school, I would have been a different person to use and I would have been to my friend division outside of my friend set outside because For me, if I can get everyone to like me, then I'll feel good about myself. And like now when I'm like looking back on everything, I was really just on a quest for love. Everyone's on a quest for love. And that's why sex sells.

That's why vices sell. Because they think that that thing is going to show them the love that they're searching for. And so in that moment when my grandfather had passed away, I mean every night it's just crying, crying, crying, crying. Every other night crying, depressed and anxious and go to school with a smile on my face and then go home and not be okay. Long drives home in my head constantly real estate.

Now that I know that I'm a believer like the devil in my brain going like tormenting my mind, making me feel ashamed. And in the midst of this depression and anxiety, I'm just continuing to act on on this porn addiction.

“On the people pleasing on where's my identity coming from?”

Because now I'm trying to figure out how to cope with the anxiety and depression. Now I'm trying to figure out, how can I make the pain go away? I don't know if you've ever had anxiety or depression, but if you struggle with it consistently, it feels incurable. Oh yeah. On a scape.

I still deal with it. Yeah, I mean it feels like an incurable, indescapable, cage in your brain and in your heart and the weight on your chest.

And so that every day just battled with it and never wanted to tell anyone.

How did you over have you overcome the form of addiction? Yeah, the nine of me has stopped watching porn that from that day. So this all led up to a suicide attempt. I did, correct? Yeah. What was the final straw for you?

So why did when did suicide become an option?

“Well, I started thinking about taking my life not because I wanted it to die, but because it felt like it was the only way to get the pain to go away.”

And I had thought about it a few times, but never had the guts to go through with it. But on December 25th, 2020, that's when I decided today was going to be the day I woke up and we had had like a hard Christmas that day just like with arguments and family and stuff like that. And I was having a hard day mentally that morning and coming in from the night before. And so I don't know what provoked me to be like today is the day, but I'm going to do it. And so we went through the whole Christmas day, you know spent time with family and then when we got done.

I got back to the house and not like trying to get graphic. Go ahead. Sorry. No, no. I mean, you were going to do it on Christmas day. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Was was that planned? Was that I'm going to give Jesus the little finger? Here, what, what, what, why Christmas day? No, yeah, not they to do it like giving Jesus the middle finger or like because it was Christmas. It was just that morning we woke up and there had been some arguments in my family that day and that rubbed me the wrong way and it just didn't feel like Christmas.

I had had a rough mental night the night before in that morning and going into the Christmas break from school.

I was a junior in high school. And so that morning I decided today's going to be the day because I'm just sick and tired of dealing with this. It was like the cherry on top, you know. And so after we got back home from spending time with all my all of our family, I went to my room and I wrote a letter that was just like a suicide note. And I didn't, I'd grown up around guns like growing up haunting but like I didn't have my own guns.

“The only thing that I had accessible was this knife called Hawks built knife.”

You know the Hawks built knife, I don't. So the blade is, and it had been given to me by my grandfather and it was accessible because it was in my nightstand. But the blade, it's thick and it looks like a hawk built to hurt. So it's really sharp, easy to open things open letters and things like that. And so I was planning on killing myself by using that knife.

And how are you going to do it?

I was just going to cut myself. Your wrists? Yeah. I was just going to cut myself. Shit.

And so after I wrote the letter and kind of like going okay, this is what I'm going to do. I went upstairs and that's what my parents like, "Hey, I'm just going to go to Waffle House. To go get some food." But in my mind, that's my death row meal.

“If I'm telling my family, "Hey, I'm just going because it's the only thing open on Christmas day."”

Like where I'm from, if Waffle House is closed, the apocalypse is going down. Seriously. Like, it really is.

There was a snowstorm one time and like they left it open and on.

No employees, you could go in and make food and like leave money on the counter and leave. Wow. They wouldn't close it. So I'm like, "It's so it's to them. It was just like, "Oh, he's going to Waffle House because it's the only thing open on Christmas."

But in my brain, it was my death row meal. And so it was about five-ish minutes, seven minutes from where I grew up. And I get to Waffle House at a park. And I'm looking in there and it's packed out the lawsuit. Like people everywhere in there.

And I'm going there to really just escape my problems one last time. And I like Waffle House. I love Waffle House.

“I think it's the best restaurant on Earth.”

And so I'm like, "All right, I'm going to go here and it's packed." And so I go in there and I wait and I couldn't get a table because there would be like families on Christmas night that would. It's like one guy versus a family of four or a family of three. Like of course, they're going to give the booth to them because me taking up that much space and that much business.

And I couldn't get a table. So then this guy walks in about double my age and he's alone. And I look at him and I said, "Hey, bro, I'll pay for your meal if you sit down with me." So we can be a party, too. And he said, "Okay."

As I grab this guy, just for the sole reason of sitting down. Like I wanted to sit down and eat and kind of get this over with. I mean, I'm in my brain battling my depression and anxiety and struggling. And so I sit down. I don't know if you've ever been, they have like the high top bar.

And then they have like the pay counter and the next the counter is like this low kind of side table bar thing. I'm sitting at this side table in our waffle house. We're sitting next to each other and as we sit down and we get done ordering. He starts dumping his life issues on me in that moment. And he's like, "My wife's divorcing me.

She's taken my kids. It's my last Christmas. We're out of money. She's stealing everything from me and he is complaining and complaining and complaining about his life in front of me." And I'm sitting there thinking, "I came here to escape my problems one last time.

And I got this random dude dumping his life issues on me." And so our foods come in and I'm just eating and kind of, you know, glancing every now and then eating. And he's dumping, dumping and complaining and complaining and complaining. And all I can think about in that moment is I just want the pain to go away. I was the most broken, guilty, shameful, prideful, lust-filled selfish version of myself in that waffle house.

That day. And so as we're sitting there, the guy next to me that I'd ask to sit down with me. I hear him just say, "Man, you know what? I love my wife, but she just doesn't feel the same about me.

And when he said that, it was like all of time it stopped.

He never said anything about Jesus.

He never preached the gospel to me. He never said anything about the Bible.

“But in that moment, it felt like all of time was flashing before me.”

All the Bible verses that I had learned growing up, all the scriptures that I had heard. The vacation Bible schools and for the first time in my life. I asked myself the question, "Well, maybe I don't know God loves me because I haven't given myself a chance to love him back." It's like us building a relationship. You know, we spend time together and the more we spend time together, we do things that you like you do things that I like.

We grow in relationship and we hang out. And we can't grow if we don't actively make an effort to mutually hang out and seek each other out.

And the Bible would say, "Well, God is after us. But it's humanity that's rebelling against God.

It's humanity that's saying I'm slapping God in the face and I want to serve myself." And so, in real time, it feels like all of time to stop. These things are flashing in my brain and I ask myself that question. Maybe I don't know God loves me because I haven't given myself a chance to love him back.

“And so, I immediately just get hit by the Lord and I start crying and weeping for the first time in my life.”

I felt like I had felt the presence of God. And I threw money on the counter, like cash to pay for the ticket, and got up and ran out of the waffle, also went into my car. And I just sat in my car and I said, "God, if you're real, take away my anxiety and depression." Because this is why I want to take my life.

And in that moment, I felt the pressure off of my chest,

and I weighed off of my brain and the chaos gone silent. Wow. And instead of taking my life, I gave my life to somebody who wanted it. And that night was the night that I surrendered my life to Jesus. And I was scared because I tried everything and it didn't work.

And it felt like a last resort. I felt confused and broken and upset. I mean, I was planning on taking my life. I had a poor addiction up to that point. I mean, I was a people-pleaser. I made mistakes with the women. I've done so many different things and I thought that God didn't want me.

But in that moment, a God that's created everything in the universe had time for me. And I actually saw me when I was broken. I just wanted to be seen and that same passage I actually brought up earlier, Matthew 16, when Jesus says, "Who do the people say that I am?" They say, "Well, you know, something that you're John the Baptist,

and something that you're Elijah the prophet, and then Peter." He's like, "Oh, my gosh. You're neither of those people. You're the Christ. You're the Messiah that we've learned about that we've been waiting for." And Jesus says, "It's not by flesh and blood that you've been able to understand this, but it is a gift from God."

There was nothing in me that night that conjured up an intellectual response to Jesus. It was a gift from God, a genuine grace that God met me that night and gave me this gift of experiencing relationship with Him, and I have it turned back since it's been over five years. Wow. Did you tell your parents when you got home?

“No. Now when I got home, when were your next steps?”

Well, I came home. I don't recommend this to anyone, but I came home and went to my room, kept praying, and then I grabbed my Bible that I had to have for school. Because I went to private Christians who I grabbed my Bible, and then I had this textbook called "Systematic Theology" by Wayne Gr Room from 1990s.

Big, thick, blue textbook, because I wanted to have a greater understanding of the right way if you got theology. You know, Jesus is fully God and fully manned. The Bible is the infallible word of God. These theological concepts that make the Christian faith Christian. And I locked myself in my room with those things, and I made a video the next day on social media.

It's like the people that follow me from my hometown. Just say, "Look, I had this encounter with Jesus. I don't know what to do with it. But from now on, I'm going to use my voice to stand for Jesus. I'm going to use my voice to tell everyone about Him." And I'm going to commit myself to this thing. And that's where everything began.

Yeah, man. You know, suicide in teens is an all-time high right now.

What do you have to say to kids that are or anybody, not just kids, anybody that's getting ready to take that step?

“It's not worth it. You know, sometimes we convince ourselves, like, "Oh, it's the best thing I can do for my family because I'm a burden or my friends. It's not true."”

You actually leave them in a worse shape than before. There are people that actually care about you. And I thought that people didn't really care about me. The people struggling with suicide or suicidal ideation or want to take their life or self harm, like genuinely reach out to someone that you love and care about. Talk to them, explain to them.

We need to create a culture that vulnerability isn't weakness, that we shouldn't shame people from opening up because of their struggles. Transparency leads to transformation. And so to the older people out there that don't battle with this, make yourself available for my generation to talk. And then for people whether you're younger or old that struggle with this, find someone that you love and talk to them. But actually give them the opportunity to help you. Don't just say something for pity, like, say something because you want to help and you want to change.

It's good advice. I've been in that slot.

You struggled with suicide?

Oh yeah, I should be dead. When was that? They would have been around... ...20... ...17 probably. And...

Yeah, I reclined my seat back in the garage, left the car running. I was ready to go. Yeah, and I was drunk as shit. I don't remember it. But yeah, woke up, woke up, naked in my room, smelling gasoline or something.

And ran downstairs, saw my gun. Not the gun that I carry every day.

“The bigger gun sitting on the couch, so I knew I was like, "Well, that's one of my that's how."”

And then I walked out into the garage and grabbed the handle of still.

It was hot. And I walked in. And I was like, "Oh shit. I think my car's running in there." And I was like, "Man, if I open this door and there's a fire, I'm probably going to get fucking blown away." And I was like, "Well, I don't get it."

So I opened the door, nothing happened. And then I saw a car running and smelled like gas. Big time in there. It was so, there were so many fumes. I was like, "Holy shit."

I mean, I was still drunk too, so I wasn't thinking right. But I was like, "I don't even want to push the garage door, but now 'cause you hold down condominium buildings. Gonna fucking blow up." And so I was like, "Well, wait a minute.

There's spark plugs.

“I was like, "That probably is a good app."”

So I hit the button. And then I went and looked in my gas tank. It melted. And there were drops of gas dripping onto the exhaust. "Well."

And then there was a little bitty. Now they'd hit the exhaust and you see this little bitty, like flames. And I was like, "Holy shit." Oh my god. Almost died.

There were four times. Oh my gosh. I shouldn't be here. Should've died in the fucking car. 'Cause I came home, recline the seed.

Want to sleep. Something woke me up. One inside was obviously gonna kill myself with my gun. One upstairs past out came back. Then I hoped that the door was gonna blow me away.

You know, and then you see that fucking gasoline dripping on top of the exhaust and igniting flames in a condominium building. Oh my god. It would've just been me. Holy crap.

You know? And, you know? Wow. Did you like one a dire? Yeah.

What made you want to die? Oh, a lot of things. No purpose. No Jesus. I'd recently left the left contracting for the CIA.

I felt no purpose. Didn't feel wanted. I felt like life was over. I'd hit the pinnacle of everything I wanted to hit up to that point. I was a seal.

And got in was doing share with the agencies. And then I left and I was teaching tactics.

And I just couldn't get it any traction and didn't feel like my family.

But it was a lot of things, man. It was a lot of shit going on up here. But anyways, I'm happy you're here, still. Me too. So.

But I mean, I don't think that was a coincidence. Me either. And so how did your life? I mean, we're gonna get into it.

“But immediately, how did it change immediately after you had accepted Christ?”

Well, like I said, like, what I thought would be impossible to quit like porn. Just to have it and look back since it's gone. No cravings. Nothing. No great. Well, look, we're human, right?

So like, of course, I have temptations. But like, what I felt would be the hardest thing for me to give up was actually the easiest thing for me to give up with Jesus. And so it really started by making a diagnosis on my heart, someone 39, search my heart God, revealed to me the areas of my life that are causing me to be separate from you. And Matthew, chapter six, got to give me the strength to cut them off.

And so there were some friends I had to stop hanging out with. There were some things I had to stop doing. And there were some new people I needed to start surround myself with. And so what it really looked like was my Bible that Wayne grew to him book, talking to my Bible teachers consistently.

And we were asking them hard questions at my private questions, Christian school and allowing them to pour into my life. I tried to find a big youth group in my hometown. So I could surround myself with people my age that loved Jesus. And try to find friends that that cared.

I actually wanted to follow this thing out. That didn't just talk about being a Christian. And I think that was the hardest thing for me to navigate at the beginning was so many people claim to love Jesus. But I was making changes that they weren't. And I'm not saying that makes me holier than someone.

But if your life doesn't look different before you claim to have met Jesus until after you've claimed to met Jesus, and I would argue that we would be following a different Jesus. And so those were the quick and easy steps. And I immediately started sharing my faith. I would run up to people and be like Jesus loves you and run away before they could respond.

Because I didn't have to answer their questions. And then I started staying in there and taking the questions. And a lot of times it was, I don't know if it gave me a couple of days. So I'll give you an answer. And that challenged me to dive deeper into my faith.

“And see man, do I really believe that Jesus really is who he says he is according to the Bible?”

And that's really the first few steps I did. And then a month into becoming a Christian. I went to a Christian conference. How did you feel when I was following Jesus? Yeah, I felt like the greatest.

You know, I've never done drugs before, but it was like the best feeling.

He said it's pretty awful house, the best feeling I was looking for. You know, like I was before. It was unreal. It was like the sky was blue. The grass was green.

My perspective on life had changed. I had purpose. Like you just said a moment ago, like I didn't have purpose without Jesus. Me too. Now I did.

And I didn't care what was in my way. I was going to do everything I could to invite people into this thing called the family of God that I experienced. Because like you know the mistakes that no one knows you about you. The same way I know my mistakes that no one knows about me. So I felt like the dirtiest human being on the planet.

I felt like I was so far gone, no one could save me. And then Jesus saved me. So I thought if he can do it for me, he can do it for anyone. And so I was just over the top, over the moon, excited and ecstatic.

And when I started second semester in my Christian school.

No one really said anything to me about it. They kind of thought I was just riding a high. I think no one really acknowledged it. You know, I was talking about Jesus making iPhone videos, teaching the Bible, teaching what I was learning in the school. Teaching what I was reading in my quiet time.

Just every chance I could get sharing about Jesus.

“And I think people just were like, yeah, whatever.”

What would you do with those videos? I would just post them on TikTok. I would just prop up my phone and click play. Like looking back at them now, they're really cringe. They're extremely cringe, like I'm like, "Oh, no man, that's you see an arc there." It definitely is cool to see the storyline.

It's hard to watch this video sometimes, but I'm like, it's whatever I was 17, like it would be cool. It's the beginning, man. It is the beginning. It is the beginning. And what's cool, you know, you'll be able to look back on that and see how much you've grown.

That's what's fucking cool. I mean, I'm grateful. I mean, I definitely am grateful. It is a little cringe to see like young me and my hair. I've really bad hair and it was really just, yeah, wild.

But anyways, I would post them on like TikTok and Instagram reels and just, hey,

Here's the verse of the day or here's this thing or I'm learning this thing. And I would also be vulnerable. Like, if I was experienced in hard times and I was crying. Like, I mean, I'm having a hard time right now. Be crying.

Like, look, I'm a Christian, but like, I'm having a hard time.

“And I think that allowed people to relate.”

Because I think we have too many Christians that act like they got it all together. I'm not in that business. Yeah, I want to try to be as vulnerable as possible.

And so that's kind of what those first steps really look like.

Yeah, that's a good way to be. Well, Bryce, let's take a quick break. But before we do, I just want to go back on the annoying to think. Because I probably misspoke. But it was like I said, it was a thing that happened at the church.

It struck up a conversation this morning. And I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about. But I'm just empty in my head. So I like it. No, right there with you.

I love it. Cool. I just want everybody to know. I don't think I'm more important than I am. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I just just empty in my head. Absolutely. Let's take a break. Let's do it. Go.

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Oh, what do you think? I'm about to cry. They smell so good. Why gummy bears? Why gummy bears?

Why did you make the gummy bears? Oh, why? Well, it's kind of a long story. But so I started out teaching weapons and tactics. And before I really dove in, I have a lot of friends that are doing that for my past life.

And so I looked at what everybody was doing. And everybody was kind of a tough guy. Hard ass, fun as proposes. We only protein shakes and chicken breasts. You know what I mean?

And I was like, dude, that's not me. I don't want to be a hard ass. People are already scared of seals and shit like that. And I was like, I have to be approachable. So I just started posting all the junk food I ate.

Nice. And then fast forward. We started the podcast.

And I wanted to do CBD gummy bears because I always have problems sleeping.

And my marketer was like, no, you can't do that. You're going to get sued. We'll just get sued for something like marketing to kids or something with CBD. Or I think it was jewel. And so I said, fine.

We'll just do regular gummy bears. So we did it. And I did it because I couldn't. I couldn't make a living off of this at the beginning. Yeah.

You know, nobody would advertise. I had no response. Nothing. Yeah. And it was literally.

And shit tons of money at the time to produce this. And it was just me and my wife. And I was like, man, we want to do this. We're going to have to have to make some income. Right.

So that was it. These are actually so good. Oh, thanks. I love them. I might go through this whole bag by the end of this.

I'm not even kidding. Hey, well, we got more. Oh, well, thank you.

Welcome. But. All right.

So I think we, we left off.

We didn't get to you're going to LA. Yeah. So what, why LA?

“Well, from a small town in Georgia, the Los Angeles.”

You know, I'm at, I asked myself the same question sometimes. I never even been to LA. So when I don't blame you. Well, we're, I'm from everyone says the same thing. So, and my grandma every time I come home, she's got like a new news article.

That's like the, the tectonic plates. It's going to fall in the ocean. You know, so like, I got to, you know, it's, it's funny. But, yeah. So after high school, I had moved to.

Destin Florida. I worked on pontoon boats there for about four months. And then by the end of the summertime, it goes town of tourists. And everyone there just didn't follow Jesus and things like that. I wanted to be around people that did.

So I moved back to Georgia. And I'm just praying like God, what do you want me to do? Like, where do you want me to go? And so anyways, long story short, I go to a conference in Dallas. And feel like the Lord speaks to me to move to LA.

Well, I knew there was no selfish bone in my body that wanted to go there. Because I've been saying the same thing. You just said about LA all my life. So I'm like, heck, no, I don't want to go to LA. And that day, I had five random people throughout my day that didn't know each other.

They were like, hey, man, I feel like God wants me to go to LA.

“Or, man, I feel like you should move to LA and be a light for Jesus.”

Random people would say this to me throughout that same day. And I was like, what the heck? Isn't that crazy how that happens? So weird. So wild.

So I'm like, okay, this is weird. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it. I'm not going to go. And after about the fifth time for the end of the night,

one of my buddies called me, my one of two friends I had that lived in LA. He was like, hey, you know, Bryce, I need you to pray for me. Someone moved out of my bedroom. And so now I've got this like weight of rent on me. Like my older roommate did.

I've got an extra bed in here and I'm having to cover it. This was the same day, same day at the end of the day.

And so I was like, hold on one second.

I think I'm supposed to move in that bedroom. And then I prayed and then I bought a one way ticket. It went to, with like a suitcase, a duffle bag and a backpack. What did you pray about? God, where do you want me to go?

What do you want me to do? So I had initially, initially here was my plan. My initial plan was after this summer time, I was going to go to Liberty University in person. And in the summer time, I had dropped out without my parents knowing

and made a poor decision there. And I own it. But now we see God's used it for as a glory. Even my mistakes God has used. And so when I dropped out, I wasn't going to college.

So I switched to online. I'm actually still online. I'm about to graduate in the spring. So I'm all online student at Liberty University. I transfer online.

I'm like, well, God, what do you want me to do? I'm online. So I can kind of go anywhere. Anywhere you want me to go. And that's when I felt the Lord speak LA to me and put it on my heart.

When I say speak to me, they like kept coming in my brain. Like moved LA moved LA moved LA. I'm like, what the heck, I'm not moving LA.

So I arrived in the first place I lived.

I lived in a living cringe show. That was the first place I lived. My neighbor got stabbed within the first 30 minutes of me living there. And I was like, where the heck have I moved right now? Where is cranchol?

Is that famous? Should I know this? Well, cringe show is like a, you know, Compton? Like, okay.

It's not Compton, but it's like another city. It's a little, yeah, kind of similar. Not as, not as like rough, I guess. You could say. Rough enough.

Yeah. It's rough enough because it's made a name for itself. I say cringe show because it's more of like a blanket statement.

“But it's this little pocket if you want to get really specific called exposition park.”

This is where I live. So it's near USC. And I moved into a house of that had four rooms with eight dudes. I was the eighth dude. Only new two dudes in there.

Those both of my friends in LA happened to live in the same house that I knew that lived there. And then I started just doing what I could. I mean, I would feed the homeless on Friday. We had a house church on Sunday nights. Or we would all gather and do like church in a house just young people.

I would preach to people in the streets everywhere I went. How are you making a living? I was actually spending my savings from working on the pontoon boats. So you couldn't have much savings. I didn't have a lot.

But I was using it and just going hard. And I thought I was only going to be there from like that. I moved there at the end of September of 22. So I thought I was going to be there from September till like January one of the new year. And then I was going to have to leave.

Like it's like no joke.

“So you moved or are all these guys in the house, are they doing the same thing you're doing?”

No, like some of them did like e-com stuff. Some of them had actual jobs. One dude was like aspiring musician. One guy was like trying to like do and what I did in a similar instance. The same as Elijah.

Like he was he's just one of the smartest guys I know about the Bible and Christianity. And he was like, I tender it preaching at churches. And you know, making iPhone videos for Jesus. And I was still making these iPhone videos at the time talking about Jesus. But like I was, you know, I was more concerned and still am more concerned today with real people, real conversations.

And so I was doing everything feeding the home of Son Friday Bible study on Wednesday nights. House church on Sunday nights preaching everyone in the streets. Doing whatever I could Monday nights. I would go to a worship night all the way in Huntington Beach. What are you preaching in the street?

That Jesus Christ loves them and that they died. He died for their sins and defeated their sins on the third day.

I mean, I always wonder this. I see people doing it ever once.

So I always wonder, you know, who's getting something out of this? Yeah, like it was just almost like, forget me. But I'm almost like a heckleer to me. Sure. Yeah, I think how do you find the people?

I mean, I've never seen somebody that's like on the street preaching like that. Where somebody stops on. Oh, wait, you're thinking of the guys with the microphones. I didn't matter with microphone or signs, whatever. I never see it.

So is that what you're talking about? You're just on Broadway and Nashville preaching the gospel. No, not at all neither of those. I was just walk up to people that start talking to. Like just roll up on you.

Like if you were, if you had your black coffee at the, at the stop light, wait in across the crosswalk, I'd walk up to you and be like, Hey man, how's your day?

What do you think about Jesus?

Do you have a fate? Just like that. One-on-one combo. What's the typical response? You'd be shocked.

“Like, you know, that's why I laugh when like the street preachers”

of the signs and the microphones are like, oh, I'm getting persecuted. Yeah, why I think anyone in their right mind would yell back at you if the only thing you're saying is you're going to burn in hell. Like, it doesn't shock me.

That's like a response. Like, why do we act so surprised? That's a response. You know, that's not persecution. You're just provoking anger out of people. And look, truth, like loving people doesn't mean you compromise for their lifestyle

or their sin, but Jesus was full of grace and truth.

So you're able to pull the gold out of people and call them higher.

So I would just ask, hey, what do you think about Jesus? But it really started in situations where like people couldn't run away from me. And what I mean by that is like an elevator. Like, where are you going to go?

Where are you going to go? Or like restaurants, waiters, and waitresses. They have to talk to you. That's their job. They have to talk to you or getting a haircut.

Like, where are you going to mess up my hair? It's going to grow back in a couple months. Like, what's the difference? It's how I would just be like, do you have a fate? Or what do you think about Jesus?

Or what gives you purpose? What do you think happens when you die?

“These questions that I think are necessary that we need to ask ourselves.”

Sometimes I think we avoid because they're hard. And everyone has a perspective about Jesus. Everyone does. Why is that? Why is Jesus the man that everyone has a perspective about?

That's fascinating to me. And so that question has no language barrier, no nation barrier. Every person has a perspective about Jesus. Whether they don't know who He is or they've been hurt by people who claim to love Jesus or they are Christian or he's just a prophet in their religion or he's just a good teacher.

Everyone has a perspective and nine times out of ten, it was either, you know, oh, I grew up in church or that's about it. You know, if someone said, you know, I read my Bible and I go to church. Okay, what does that look like for you? You know, what does that look like? Well, I mean, it's not as much blah, blah.

Now the people that were rejected, they didn't want it. They would just say, oh, I'm not interested. Listen, I vividly remember there was one time I'll tell you a story. I shared Jesus with a waitress and San Antonio at a restaurant. And I kept talking about Jesus.

She kept not wanting it so much so that she changed waitresses with me that she left being the assignment on our table. And they sent a new waitress to our table. So then I started talking that lady about Jesus. And then she got upset too. So then she went to go get the manager.

So the manager comes to the table and I preach the gospel to the manager. The manager gives her life to Jesus. So the manager of the restaurant was the one who needed to hear right there, right there at the table. How did that go? I'm just asking.

I said, hey, what do you think about Jesus? And so, you know, I don't really think about him blah blah blah. Then I just started asking her questions about her life. How long she had been working there? And then I liked, I really like asking this question.

Like the hardest thing you're dealing with right now.

If God could show up and fix that problem, what would it be? And I don't exactly remember what she had said, but that was really what had softened her heart. And we just prayed for her. And I shared the gospel with her. And she was just overwhelmed by this love and she gave her life to Jesus and surrendered Jesus that moment.

So the next day I went back to that restaurant. I went back to the restaurant. And the two ladies that had gotten mad at me before were at the front counter. Like we're the host stand. And they went, oh my God, she got to be kidding me. I'm going to get our manager to kick you out.

So they go and get the manager, the lady that we had just talked to the day before and she comes back. Bryce, good to see you come over here, come sit down at the table. And it's just totally like rock to roll.

“I've never forget that story. It's insane it to own you know.”

What's that like though? What was the, what did you say to her that she was like, I'm in? Well, you know, I think that's the thing we have to recognize.

There's no amount of words that you and I could conjure up.

That's going to make someone intellectually believe in Jesus. The Bible says that we plant seeds and water seeds. But God brings the increase. So the best thing we can do is represent Jesus to the best of our ability. And that's why like she genuinely surrendered to Christ like wanted to follow Jesus.

And I pray that she's continuing on in the faith. I don't like count salvation. I don't like how do you track a salvation. Like someone please tell me how you track a salvation. What do you, what does that mean?

Just because someone fills out a note card does not mean that they're following Jesus. You know what I mean? Or raises their hand. She sincerely surrendered to Jesus. And I believe that she's wholeheartedly.

But like I'm not going to count it. Be like, oh, there's one person that got saved under me. Like, I don't, I don't view it like that. But I presented the gospel to her. And that's that radical love, you know.

People supernaturally got allows them to understand this gift of the gospel. And they, the rejected or the fool. And the next day she was just glowing.

The first day we met her down anxious, hard day.

Next day glowing. And so it was really cool. You see, like, man, I'm glad we could be a light to her. But Jesus says an interesting claim. He says the harvest is ripe, but the laborers are few.

The odds are in our favor as Christians to share the gospel with people. He actually says many people are ready to give their life to me. But he says the laborers are few. Not enough people are doing it.

“And that's why we started this ministry.”

Is because not enough people are doing it. We're too scared of the response. Like, what do you say? Do they react? Are they hostile?

Even asked to me earlier when we weren't sitting down. You know, like, did people reject it to people get crazy? Yeah, they do. But we also see people that accept it. That are grateful for it.

That want to hear it. That's fascinating. That challenge may respectfully. Thank you. I'm going to think about it. So that's what it looks like really in the street. I mean, that's an interesting question you asked.

What was it? If you could get a miracle today, what would it be? Yeah, if God could do a miracle in your life right now, what would that be? What is it for you? Well, for me, it was taken away my depression and anxiety.

What is it today?

“What is it today that he keeps me strong in the faith?”

I want to finish this thing out. I met a hundred new Christians a month after I became a Christian. And today half of them aren't even believers anymore. And as much as I love them, I don't want to end up like that. And so that's my prayer, constantly.

It's like, God give me strength, protect me, guide me, lead me. What do you think happens when we die? Well, I believe that when we die, we're going to stand before an all-knowing God and that God happens to be yaw way from the scriptures that we read old and new testament. We're going to stand before God and we're going to have to give an account for our life,

the way that we lived. Our actions are going to testify against us. There's no one to blame. We're going to be held responsible. And if we put our faith and trust in Jesus Christ,

that His perfect eternal sacrifice was enough to atone for infinite wrongdoing against God, then we will experience an infinite eternal time in heaven with God. But if in this lifetime, we chose to reject God and say, "No, I want to live for myself. I don't want to accept the reality that He is Lord.

I don't want to do these things. It breaks God's heart. But He respects the free choice that He gives human beings to choose to follow Him. And they will spend an eternity separate for Him." What do you think it looks like?

I mean, we read the Bible and it's hardly life. What's a daily life life? I'm just curious. What do you mean? I think about this stuff all the time.

Okay. You didn't mean what is heaven and hell like.

Anything.

I mean, what's it look like?

Are we in, are we, do we look like we look now? Well, the Bible would say that we're given body. We're given new bodies, right? So we're given new bodies in heaven. There's, I'm very cautious to listen to people that have give like wide detailed descriptions of heaven.

Because there's not really a lot about it. I mean, the streets are gold. I think that's fascinating. So like imagine like golden, golden heaven is like asphalt on earth. We spit on asphalt.

We walk on asphalt and gold is a valuable resource. So I'm thinking if that's our asphalt in heaven. Does it say that? Yeah, it says that there's going to be streets of gold.

If there's going to be streets of gold.

And our streets in earth are asphalt. And we walk on them. We just like treat them like normal. Like we don't even think twice about what we're walking on. I'm like, oh my gosh, how much more beautiful is heaven going to be.

What does it say that? It says it in the New Testament. I believe in the book of Revelation. I could be wrong. I'm more happy to look it up with you.

When when I have to say we have bodies too. Yeah, we're given new bodies. And particularly with heaven and hell. The thing that fascinates me the most about hell and heaven is we don't talk about the reason for both the extremes. Like hell.

The Bible says it's weeping in Nashuk of T. We read that in Matthew 25. And we read it in other instances in Scripture. And in the book of Revelation, I think it's in Revelation 20 or 21. And we think, oh, it's all suffering and it's fiery and it's burning.

Well, I personally do not think that hell is scary just because it's fiery and burning. And there's what we being in Nashuk of T. The reason why I think hell is going to be so suffering is because every human being, whether they believe in God or not, is going to stand before him. And they're going to see the most beautiful and magnificent being they've ever seen in their life.

And then they're going to spend an eternity separate from it. Hell is the absence of God. Heaven is the presence of God, both for an eternity.

“That's why I think hell is going to be suffering.”

Imagine not thinking that God is real and then you see the most beautiful being you've ever seen in your life. And then you have to be separate from it for an eternity. Like that's why I think hell is going to be so much suffering. And that's why I think heaven is going to be far greater than we can imagine. It's hard for us to really wrap our minds around what hell and heaven are going to be like.

Because this is as real as it gets right here like this. But we should look forward to it because Jesus is the prize. Like he is the prize. He's what we're looking for. We're not going to have it because we want to walk on the streets of gold.

And we want some, you know, you always hear people say I'm going to get a big mansion and heaven for the things I do for God.

It's like, I don't want to go to heaven because I want some big mansion and heaven. I want to go to heaven because I want Jesus. He's the prize. But I also do not believe that heaven's just going to be a singing songs on repeat 24/7. I don't believe that's the case. We read that about the seraphine and the book of Revelation and Isaiah 6.

That seraphine, seraphine. So there are angels that have six wings and they have eyes all over them. And the Bible describes them in those age after six that when they're in the presence of God, that they have to cover their eyes themselves with their wings to even sing how holy God is. And they sing holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty who wasn't as in it's to come.

And they continuously sing it over and over and over.

“And for the longest time, I was like, is that what we're going to be doing?”

Like no offense, but like I don't really want to just sing a song on repeat for you all the time. I mean, some of this stuff might get me in trouble, but I'm just being honest. Like I'm just being honest. But I realize the reason that they do that is because God is infinite and they see something new about God. So they can't help but sing that from their heart.

God, you are so holy, holy, holy are you Lord Almighty. It's genuine and pure. But that's not what we're going to do. I don't believe. But for the Christian like every day walked, this looks like follow in Jesus.

Jesus has the greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with your whole heart, soul, mind, and strength. And love your neighbor as yourself. Do you think there are relationships up there? Do you have relationships? Like marriage relationships? Anything like that.

Friends. I mean, I think we're going to be relationships.

“I think we're going to interact with each other, but I don't think there's going to be like marriage romantic relationships up there.”

I definitely think that we're going to interact with each other and be friends. Like I don't think it's so far-fetched to think that like one day I can go talk to Paul. I was like, dude, Paul, what was it like being chained to a wall in prison or writing the book of joy? Or John, what was it like being boiled alive and then surviving and then be cast into an island? And then they explain it and they're like, hey, Sean, Bryce, what was it like?

And it's like, we got a few hate comments and people threatened us digitally. You know what? And it's like, what are we doing?

We have our own struggles in each century, but I just think that's fun.

You know what? I don't think it's far-fetched that dogs are going to be in heaven either. Do you think that you learn up there or do you think when you die, you get this kind of infinite knowledge where everything just all of a sudden makes sense? You know, God is infinite. So the Bible even says that there's new mercies for us every day. So I don't think it's far-fetched to think that we're going to not stop continuing learning.

“We're going to continue to learn, I believe.”

And you know, I wish I was a little bit more educated on the heaven and hell thing, but I'm not as hyper fixated on like where I'm going. I'm hyper fixated on, I know where I'm going and I want to bring as many people with me to this place because I know it's going to be good because God is good and I trust him and he's a man of his word. And so, you know, I need to do, I need to definitely do a better job of understanding heaven.

Like, what is it like? What's it going to be like? I'm just in the business of, I want to bring as many people possible to this place. If Jesus is lowered and he really is who he says he is. I'm just curious what you think is going to be like.

I'm always curious to hear.

You know, I do, we do read about heaven and hell. And the gospel of Luke, I'm not going to quote the chapter, but it's called the rich man Lazarus. So it's another rich man's story. So Luke 18, there was a rich young girl we talked about earlier. Now this one, it's like there's a king. And he's high of royalty and very wealthy in rich in this lifetime and a massive house and mansion and palace and servants and eats well. And the crumbs on his table is what the poor man ate.

And there was a poor man outside the gate of his city who would barely eat the crumbs with the dogs. And when they died, it says the poor man outside the gate was carried by angels into heaven. And the rich man Lazarus was condemned to hell. Now this has nothing to do with money. But it's interesting how in the account of the rich man Lazarus going to hell.

He asks for two things. First of all, he says, hey, can you give me a dip of water on my tongue? I need some relief.

“Why didn't Lazarus say, hey, can you get me out of here?”

Why didn't he ask to be taken out of hell? Why did he only ask for relief? And then the second thing he asks is, hey, can you just reward my family and friends that not to make the choices that I made? Can you just warn them? And God says, well, they have the prophets, they have Moses and Elijah and all of these people, like the evidence is there.

But he never asks to be taken out of hell.

And I've wrestled with that for so long, like man, God's looking down on you, you're communicating with him. Why wouldn't you ask God, hey, bro, I made a bad choice. Can you help me out? Doesn't do it. And there's an aspect of hell where it's self-inflicted. God doesn't send people to hell, people send themselves to hell. Heaven and hell is a choice. You know, we choose if we want Jesus or not.

And if we choose to live for ourselves and think that we know what's best for our lives and make our own decisions, it breaks God's heart. But he respects the free choice that we have. And we spend an attorney's separate from him. But if we choose, I want to live God's way. I want to know what you have in store for me. I want to know what you think is best for me.

Then it makes God's heart glad and we spend an eternity with him. And that passage fascinates me. It's in the gospel of Luke. Like man, I don't want to be like the rich man Lazarus that's so distracted by things. And by himself and his own brain. Humility is this interesting aspect and the character of Jesus.

He's described as being gentle and lowly.

“And I think we need to be more like that.”

Do you think the passage to get into Heaven is narrow? It's hard to get in there. It defines what you mean by hard to get in there. The passage is narrow. Do you think the majority of the population goes there or to hell?

I think there's a lot more people that are going to hell to think that they're going to Heaven. Really? Yeah. What does it mean to follow Jesus? That's the question. And there's deception.

You know, the same people in today's day-nage. Let's go Matthew chapter seven. Well, Lord, we prophesied in your name. We cast the demons out in your name. We healed the sick in your name.

He says, "Depart for me, you workers of lawlessness." Let's change it to 21st century modern day. Hold on. Let's go back. What does that even mean?

Why would Jesus be pissed that they're healing people in his name? Right. Because they're faith and trust is in the things that they do for God and not in Him.

Absolutely.

So this is the weird dynamic about faith and works.

The 21st century version of that is, "Well, I'm a Christian. I'm going to Heaven because look at how many devotionals I've read God." And look at how many times I went to church in this person didn't. And look at how many times I gave the gave to the homeless. And look at how many times I did that.

People are banking more, putting all their poker chips in on the fact that they do good things. Then the one who actually is good. Jesus himself said, "No one is good except God alone." So we have to understand. Our good works.

The Bible says are like filthy rags to God. Now that doesn't mean they don't matter. We'll get back to that. But filthy rags to God. Meaning if you're stairway to Heaven is based on what Sean does,

it would maybe buy you two weeks in Heaven. Maybe two weeks.

For Bryce, you get in there a little bit longer than me.

Maybe four days for Bryce. Sean would get two weeks, so with his good works. And that's it. It's not about the things that we do. It's about what he has done.

That's the gospel. That's why people aren't confident. Let me ask you this question. On a scale of one to ten, ten being absolutely certain. And one being not certain at all.

“How confident would you be you go to Heaven if you were standing before God?”

Five, five, five, maybe six. Why is that? Let's go sick. Let's go to higher number. Why is six?

Because I'm trying to do what I think he wants me to do. I'm trying. I'm trying to live that way. I'm trying to treat people that way. And it's fucking hard.

There'll be a lot easier if I wasn't trying it. Life would be a lot easier if I wasn't trying. Man, it is hard. Actually, I know life would be a lot easier if I wasn't trying. Absolutely.

You know, it would be a lot. I wouldn't have heavy conscience. I would react to things that I fantasize about. That we talked about earlier. You know, I would indulge in all of that.

Yep. But I don't because that's where I want to go. And I think, you know, you had to set something earlier too. You know, you'd said, I plan to seed. I think the exact same way.

I think you look, all you can really do is lead by example. That plants the seed. Or put an idea. You don't somebody's heart and see what happens.

“But I think the main thing is you need to,”

you need to be the walking example of what you want other people to be. Absolutely. And I totally understand. Like, as Christians, like, we should live this thing out. The book of James says, pure religion.

That's undefiled before God is visiting whitt as an orphan's in their reflection. It doesn't say pure religion is talking about how holy you are talking about all the good things you do. It's like, hey, put your money where you're mouth is. I'm right there with you. But if you say you're a six, do you believe that Jesus only died for 60% of your junk?

Well, hold on. Now, I'm saying a six because I've also done a lot of fucked up things in my life. Yep. That's what I'm talking about. Same here.

I totally understand. So because you've done a bunch of messed up stuff and you rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being absolutely certain that you would go to heaven and want to be not so certain. You labeled yourself a six, right? And that's a combination of you feeling like that.

It's our duty that we've got to live this thing out and you know that you've done some messed up stuff. So with that in mind, because of the way that you've ranked yourself on that scale,

you're basically determining your salvation on everything that you've done.

All the good and the bad.

“That's what you just mentioned in this moment,”

where Jesus would say, it has nothing to do with that. If that's the case, Jesus only died for 60% of your sins because you're a six out of 10. Now, the Bible would say that Jesus Christ sacrificed was sufficient enough for all of Sean's mistakes, and all of Bryce's mistakes, and all of human histories mistakes pass present in future.

So think about it like this, like if we went to Dallas Maverick's game, and I had two court side tickets to the Dallas Maverick's game, and I gave them to you as your gift today when we started it off. Said here, Sean, here's two court side tickets to the Dallas Maverick's game. And next week, you flew to the Dallas Maverick's game,

and you went and you walked through and they scanned the ticket, and you walked down all the way down to court side, and the security guy stopped you and says, hey, wait, hold on, wait a second, where do you think you're going? Where are you gonna say?

Here's the way I got tickets. And he's gonna say, well, why should I let you in?

These tickets were a gift, and so that's why I'm able to get in.

“In the same way that's how salvation works.”

Like it is a gift from God. Nothing that we do is going to get us into heaven. The standard for heaven is perfection. It's righteousness. And I'm not gonna speak on behalf of you.

I'll speak on behalf of me. I'm a jacked up human being. That's made a load of mistakes, and has a lot of bad past mistakes. And you know what?

I'll probably continue to make state mistakes unintentionally. But the fact of the matter is Jesus Christ's death on the cross and the fact that he defeated death means that he defeated our sin. He defeated the thing that we can't escape. So if we put our faith in trust in that,

it wipes our slate clean as if we've never done anything wrong.

The book of Malachi, which tells us that God drops our sin and the sea of forgiveness as if we've never done anything wrong. Now, because we have been given such a gracious gift from God. Paul writes about this in the book of Romans. He says, "Oh, so now that you've been forgiven,

does that mean you should just go and do whatever the crap you want?" He goes, "Absolutely not." That is abusing God's grace. We don't abuse God's grace. The book of Titus tells us that God's grace and his salvation

actually fuels us to walk this faith out, but our money where our mouth is. And so we have to change perspective. The idea of faith without works is saying that the works identify whether someone's faith is sincere.

The works don't get us into heaven. That was the other thing I was going to say.

“There's a lot that when I think about who am I going to have”

and who am I going to have and who am I going to have. I mean, it's more than good works and sins and all that kind of stuff.

That was the next thing I was going to bring up is

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Sometimes fear sets in and I'm like oh shit, what happens if we die and it's just fucking lights out. That's it. That's it. We're done.

Yeah. That's like the worst possible scenario like. Sure. Everything just stops. Right.

And I think about this kind of stuff all the time. Yeah. And so when those thoughts creep in, I'm like oh shit. My faith isn't strong enough.

I asked you your question. If there was a miracle that God could do for you today, will it be? You said strengthen my faith. Keep it strong.

Right. Yep. And so that's just another thing. Yep. It goes into it.

Another thing is. I mean, am I talking about the anointed thing earlier? Am I in? Am I doing what you want me to do?

Or if I'm human, we'll justify things in our head. We're masters. It's justifying why we do fucked up things in the world. Yeah.

And it's like oh yeah. Why? Like something that's been on my mind. Maybe it's maybe even been on my. I've invested in some.

Very prominent defense tech companies. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Was that a good thing?

I don't know. Yeah. One of the investments I made while I had that on my conscience. Yeah. And I'm like maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just fearing this because.

Maybe I shouldn't be doing it. Sure. Is this going to do good for my family again? Well, if it pays off it will. Yeah.

Well, what did it?

It's weapons. Yeah. I don't know.

Is it good to invest in a defense company that's going to defend our nation and keep us safe?

But it's also going to, you know, it's it's more. You know, that's a that's a fascinating question. I think I made the wrong decision. It was on my heart. And I'd fucking invested anyways.

Right. I don't know. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah.

I mean, I think, you know, faith. The assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things unseen. So the fact that like you have moments of like wavering faith, doubts are natural. They're natural. Like I question too.

Even Batman had dark nights, you know. So we can't just shit like we can't shake.

“And that's why I immediately after that passage in Matthew seven.”

Like when it says depart for me, you work as a lawlessness. And then Jesus now encourages followers of him to build their foundation on the rock. Which is him. Build your foundation on me. Not your stuff.

Build it on me. Build it on my word. This unwavering thing. That's not going to change. And so I have moments of of of of wondering.

Man, am I doing the right thing? Like what if what if I have them too? I'm a human. We're all human. And I mean, is this is Jesus really real?

Like what if I'm just preaching a bunch of nonsense right now? Mm-hmm. What if I'm doing it? I mean, I think we need to acknowledge you. They have the same thoughts every once in a while.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And anyone that looks at you. I'm not going to speak before anyone says anyone that looks at you says not is lying to you.

“But I think our human nature, we need to be honest.”

Like I have doubts. I mean, even look at Thomas when Jesus is resurrected in his physical body. He's like, I'll believe him when I see it. The resurrected Jesus appears in front of him. He's like, nope, not enough. I got to put my fingers in the holes.

Think about him. The resurrected Jesus in his physical body is standing from me and you. And he's like, nope, not enough. I got to put my fingers in the holes. Wow, like our human nature, it's there.

But I don't think it's inherently wrong for us to do that. But that's when, you know, I can't absolutely prove that Jesus Christ has got. I can't prove to you that God exists. I can't prove to you that when we die either goes all black or there's a heaven and hell. I can look at where does the overwhelming amount of evidence point to?

What does the overwhelming amount of evidence?

Because the reality is, let's say it goes all black, nihilism.

Let's do it. Well, that leads down a whole lot of rabbit holes. That means your life has no purpose and my life has no purpose. That means every podcast guest that is sat in this chair. Those conversations were fruitless.

They mean nothing. What was the purpose of them? No purpose. If there is no God and it goes all black, then where does our moral code come from? Well, it's your truth and my truth. Well, Hitler had his own truth and I don't know about you,

but I mean, what he did was pretty messed up. And the guy that shot up Sandy Hook had his own truth and that's pretty messed up. Well, hold on, that's wrong. No, no, no, no, you can't say that. It's your truth and my truth because where does the moral standard come from?

So if you and I believe in objective morality that there is a truth standard, then we have to ask ourselves the question, where does this truth standard come from? If the subjective truth standard is here, is it from a God? And if so, which God should we look at for the subjective truth standard come from? And I think through the narrative of scripture, the overwhelming evidence of the manuscripts that we have,

along with I witness accounts and along with the sustaining nature of history, we should look to Jesus Christ being God. And that's where like that stability a little bit comes from. I'm putting all my poker chips in on Jesus because I think that same dynamic you mentioned earlier.

“Well, like what happens if I believe in Jesus and it goes all black?”

Well, what did it do to you to quote unquote be a better person? If it goes all black, what does it even mean to be a better person? But let's just use that language for the time being. Like what did it hurt you to serve more and show up more for people? And love people more.

I'd be to then you brought up something too, I mean, and I actually had not heard this, but you're talking about doing good deeds. I've heard that like so when you do good deeds, I've heard it doesn't matter. You're kind of on the side where it doesn't matter, it sounds like. Well, not that it doesn't matter.

It matters just not in the way that we tend to perceive and don't brain that it matters.

Because there's things I mean, I am a huge believer in always rooting for the underdog

and when you find success, you have to pass that along to the next person. You have to pay it forward. And you know, and I think that I can do this through exactly what I'm doing right now.

A lot of lives have been changed from coming on the show.

And that makes me feel good that I was able to pay it forward. I mean, that, you know, and, and yeah, I mean, I hope that even for this interview, I hope that God is smiling down on us and going, that's what you should be doing.

“You know, and I think about it all the time.”

But it sounds like you're kind of saying that's not the way to live. Well, we have to understand like the purpose of the works. Because there is purpose in the works, right? The purpose of the works is not so that Sean and Bryce can climb their way to heaven. Every God and all of the religions, there is this description described as if God was on the top of the mountain.

And the Buddhist subs on the one side.

And if you looked a little bit further than the Muslim was on another side. If you looked a little bit further than the Hindu was on another side. If you looked a little bit further than there was another religion. And they're all climbing their way up the mountain. The Taoist monk was on one side.

And they're working their way to perfection. Jesus Christ is the only God out of every religion where Jesus comes down from the mountain and meets people where they're at.

“And so the dilemma I had, a couple months before that suicide attempt when I was 17 was,”

"If I have a broken heart and I live in a broken world and I can't even fix my broken heart and a broken world, how could I ever work to perfection?" It's impossible. Rather, the fact that Jesus Christ met me where I'm at, that fuels me to live this thing out. It's like, I don't do things because I have to.

I do things because I want to because I love him. I wanted to eat ice cream every morning for breakfast and my dad didn't let me do it. I didn't listen to him because I had to. I listened to him because I loved him. And I wanted to listen to him.

In the same way, I don't follow the teachings of Jesus because I feel like God's threatening me. I do it because I'm motivated by his love for me. God showed me this radical love that he was willing to die for me. I mean, you know, you serve for our country. You really know what it looks like to lay your life down for people.

You really know what it looks like to be in the midst of war and suffering and all these intense environments. To lay your life down for people that may not even know you. Jesus Christ did that for humanity. Past President Future. He did that for us.

That overwhelming amount of love to go up men. God really loved me enough so I'm going to do everything to love him back and love people. And so my love for him fuels me to stop doing this certain thing. His love for me fueled me to go. I'm going to leave the porn behind because that's actually not what true love is found in true life is found.

The Bible says in the book of John that Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. But Jesus comes to give life and life abundantly.

“Sometimes I think this stuff just gets way too complicated, do you know what I mean?”

Oh I'm right there with you. I mean, discernment. Everybody has their interpretation of the Bible. I grew up Catholic. I still consider myself Catholic.

I go back and forth from the Catholic Church to non-denomination. I think we'll get into that later. I think I don't know and well more well versed in this than I am.

I think maybe there is a possibility that God never intended any of this to be so damn complicated.

And if you break it down, it really comes down to good and evil. And one's always trying to take over the other. And so if you back to setting the example planting a seed, if you can be the example that you want other people to be that which is good and you pay it forward. And you share, you lift up people that maybe aren't whatever is successful or whatever the fuck you want to call it.

And you just are constantly spreading good. What's not, you know, then that overtakes evil. And if you're spreading evil, then that's amplifying evil and setting an example that other people are going to follow. So everybody has influence over somebody, you know, and so if you use that influence and you use it for selfish reasons and spread evil, then that's then that begins to amplify.

If you use it to spread good, good begins to amplify. And the end one takes over the other.

Do you think it could be literally that damn simple?

“Well, I think there's an aspect to God where he's not trying to do mental gymnastics with us to get to understand that he loves us.”

He sees us and he's sent us to down the cross for our sins and defeat sin and death on the third day.

God is not trying to do mental gymnastics with us there. Now we're also talking about an infinite God here. There's going to be abstract things and intense things that aren't fully comprehensible to the human brain. And to me, that makes me love God in a sense more because I'm like, man, you really are that holy. That like there are aspects about you that I don't fully understand.

But you really are compelling. But you know, you mentioned paying it forward. And I like I love the heart behind that, but and do good, but like what even is good? You know, doing good on to what? Where does that good come from?

Where does the standard of good come from? Where heart? The heart. Well, every human heart is different, right? Like every, like my heart and your heart could be different.

I mean, we can agree for the most part.

“I think human beings can naturally agree for the most part on moral code.”

But where does that moral code come from? I mean, you have to Jeffrey Dommers. You have cannibalistic tribes around the globe still. You have, you have the hitlers. You have the dictators.

You have war and rumors and people that like think that rape is okay. People that think that all these things is okay. So where does the good come from? Because they might be thinking that they're doing good by trying to convince people that their way is better. So if morality, good and evil is subjective, then I don't think it's subjective.

Do you really think it's subjective? I think it's objective. I don't think it is subjective. I think it is subjective. I think that there is a truth standard.

But if it is subjective, then hypothetically, we can't tell people watching or listening right now that what they're doing is right at wrong. Let's say that there's someone watching and listening and it's like, I'm not really in it. I'm not the kind of guy that likes to pay things forward. I like to keep all my money to myself and I don't like to bless people.

Well, if morality is subjective, you can't tell that guy that what he's doing is right at wrong. Because it's coming from his heart.

So it's like, well, hold on a second.

There has to be some sort of standard for us. And I believe that that moral code comes from God.

“And because we have that moral code, that's why the standard of heaven is perfection”

and you and I were wicked people we've done wrong doing. And that's why we need Jesus to enter into the scene and pay the price for a wrong doing to set the record straight. To write our names in the book of life that we can be with him for an eternity. And I'm all about serving people like we need to serve people.

We need to live this thing called Christianity out. You know, if I claim to be a Christian and you saw videos of me preaching on the street and we went to dinner tonight and I got slapped drunk. And then I started cheating on my wife and I started doing other things. But do you think I was a Christian?

Probably not. But my works are not getting me in the heaven. My salvation is secure. And so the reason I gave that example, but one thing was going like, Sean, if you've put faith in Jesus, you can be secure.

And knowing like, man, I am set straight what Jesus did for me is enough. And because he did for me, there's no period. And because he did that for me, it fuels me to live this thing out. Like, I would not be able to live the life that I'm living and try my best to love Jesus with my whole heart and live by the word of God if it wasn't for what he did for me on the cross.

So that is what has to compel us to live a life that's giving glory to God. And in that God speaks and he teaches in such like that. Let's go back to LA. Back to LA. So when did this, when did this turn officially into your minister? Well, I had mentioned we were doing like all those Bible studies and house churches and feed in the homeless

and serving in all these different things. And so I was in this state again where I'm like, God, what's my thing for you? Like, what do you want me to do for you? Kind of that same spot. Like, what do you want me to do? And in May of 2023, I had a dream that I believe God spoke to me.

And in the stream, I'm in my grandma's house in the dream and there's a man sitting at the table. And I'm talking to my grandma, so I'm grandma. I don't even know what to do in my life. I don't know the purpose and she's like, go talk to that man at the table. And so I walk and sit down at the table and it is a man by the name of Lauren Cunningham. Lauren Cunningham is the founder of a Christian mission's organization called Youth With a Mission.

They're based out of Hawaii, Konohuai, but their whole purpose is training up Christians to be sent everywhere. And the 1040 window to all the nations and preach the gospel. Lauren Cunningham has been to every country and continent even Antarctica.

I'm never even met the guy that guy had been dead a few years before I had this dream.

And in the stream, he looks at me and says, "Briest God's calling you to stay in your own backyard, stay in America."

And I want you to talk to the darkest people, go to the darkest places, and the darkest events. And preach the gospel, reaching the lost, and have those videos and encourage people to be bold for their faith. I woke up at about 3am sobbing from that dream. I don't really have dreams. I don't only just go to sleep wake up. I don't really dream, and so I knew that when I was having the dream of significant.

“And so I'm like, "Man, God, if that's what you want me to do, I'm going to do it."”

And so then that began the process a couple of weeks later. I met up with a friend of mine that I had had for a long time named Josh. And I was like, "Man, just randomly, I was like, Josh, really passionate about." He's like, "Man, I really want to capture things on video for God." And I was like, "Well, I got to tell you, I want to capture things on video for God." And then I shared with him the dream and he was like, "I'm in."

And so we formed a nonprofit organization because we had no money. And we were like, "Hey, if you guys want to support the mission, you know, if you're passionate about seeing the gospel go forth, but you've got families or you're in college and you can't be sent like send us out." Like, "We'll go. We'll go to the darkest places." And then in February 1st of 2024, that's when we began following you.

Wow. What is success versus sacrifice, man, do you? I think there's sacrifice and success. And I think, you know, with sacrifice, when you follow Jesus, the Bible tells us that it costs something to follow. That we must deny ourselves, pick up our cross of volumes. There's going to be preferences and comfort that you like that I like, that we might have to sacrifice to follow Jesus.

You know, but there might not be. And so with sacrifice, I mean, I am sacrificing my preferences and comfort. Like, would I prefer to live in the most expensive and arguably one of the darkest cities in America? And newly married and navigating life out there and ministry and doing that? Or would I be more comfortable if I had a stable job with a flip phone and a quiet area closer to my family?

I have preferences and comfort, but there's some sacrifices that have to be made made because I'm trying to be obedient to Jesus. What I believe he's calling me to do. And that's okay, you know, Jesus, then say it was going to be easy. We talked about it earlier. But I think that's what success is. It's loving God and stewarding what he's given us. And right now, I'm doing my best.

And I have moments, I fail, and I'm human. But I really want to try to do my best to be open-handed with God. And that, you know, God places something in your hand and you grip it and you don't want to let it go. You've lost that things become an idol in it. I try to live open-handed, you know, if God told us to stop doing what we're doing, I'd stop.

“Do you ever feel like you need to test yourself?”

In what way, picking a break, walking away from it, coming back, if you feel called back? You know, I've been convicted about the Sabbath, like creating a consistent rhythm of rest. But I tend to have the struggle that you have where it's like, I love what I do. I love to work, and I love to put effort.

And I've always, I don't know, but even my creative juice is always flowing.

And I'm always thinking of new things. I can reach more people. How can we do this? How can we do that? And really, my wife helped give me a heart check a lot. And gives me a lot of heart checks of like, hey, like, you know, like, this is all cool. But like, what matters more?

Are you able to differentiate what you're ego and what you're calling? Uh, I would say definitely better now than a few years ago. And I think one of the best things I did is I surrounded myself with people that aren't impressed by me.

“Because if you're impressed by someone, you're too scared to tell them, oh, I don't think you should do that.”

Like, if you only surrounded yourself with a yes man, and you were doing something wrong, they wouldn't, they wouldn't tell you you were doing something wrong. And so I want to be surrounded by people that aren't, yes man, that can wound me with their words for the sake of my soul. That's who I want to surround myself with. And that's who I try to keep in my inner circle. And those people keep me on track and challenge me and keep my heart pure. And I also have like some mentors that I also talk to.

I think we need more mentors and fathers to step in our lives as well.

Where's the, where is the first darkest place that you went?

The first darkest place for Venice Beach. I mean, how did you, what did you do? Did you research it? Did you just pop in your head? What, I was just sorry, what are you going? I woke up and I was like, where are we going? And we went to Venice Beach. And it's like, wait, it's just basically like blind pick a spot in the LA. And I'm just kidding. It's like, we went to Venice Beach.

And there was a satinist guy out there, satinist, atheist guy. And that was the first, like, dude that we talked to. And he rejected me and was kind of mean towards me. And I remember walking away thinking, wow, it's going to be a whole lot harder than I thought. And then we posted the video and a little short form clip went online.

10 million people saw it. First video we ever posted.

And uploaded and since that day we've reached almost 2 billion people with a B.

And wow, through social media, digital and in person media. But then that started leading, then we started finding the people. It almost felt like even God was sending the people to us. Like I pulled up to the library one time. There's just a satinist chilling outside.

Like, was the last time you ever went to the library in a satinist. It's just hanging outside the door. You know what I mean? I don't see many satinists. Maybe I do, but I don't notice something. Well, I didn't think they existed until I moved to LA.

And I started meeting people that believed in that. And did you see a lot of them over there? And you see more than you would think exist, but some of them are like expressive with their clothes. And sometimes you just meet in conversation. Sometimes you can tell by their tattoos and stuff like that.

But that's one of the reasons why I have tattoos. So I can, I don't know, people feel like more approachable and relatable.

“You know, not to tell me that dude, that's why I'm wearing lightning McLean Crocs right now.”

And a T-shirt and sweat pants. I want to feel inviting and caring. But that's where it all started. And we just started bouncing all over different cities, different places. We went to the Burning Man Festival.

How is that? That's probably the darkest place I've ever been. Are you serious? It was worse in the satanic temple. Why?

Well, they advertise it as an art festival. That's what they advertise it as. Like, it's an art free thinking festival.

So Burning Man becomes the second largest city in Nevada for a week.

70 to 80 thousand people go there for an entire week. And it's not a free thinking art festival. It's a big LSD orgy. That's what it is. I remember when we walked in there and it is like from an aerial view.

It looks like, I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Mays Runner. But it looks like a ginormous maze like from in there.

“And like you walk in there and they've got like a purple school bus with blackout windows.”

And it's the orgy bus. And they have times for group sex on there. And then next to it, you have an electoral light station. And next to it, you've got, you know, a cannabis shop. And then next to it, you got people's tents.

And next to it, you got like a dance party. And people are walking around no clothes, old people, new people. Sleeping with everybody, doing drugs with everybody. And I'll never forget.

We entered into the thing.

And I looked up and I noticed that there were naked people. Immediately. And I immediately pulled my head down and I was like, God, protect my eyes, like I've got a beautiful girlfriend. My now wife, like protect my eyes.

I'm here to do mission work. I only saw naked men the rest of the day. So, so God was like protecting my eyes and protecting my heart. But it is dark man, like it's just people lost and in search. And in need of Jesus, but they won't turn to him.

But we had some of the most fruitful conversations there. Really. I mean, are you expecting to talk to a Christian and burning manfest? I would just, I would just assume not. Absolutely. You know, you're not planning on it.

And then they have that big statue, you know, that they burn at the end of the week. The man and like whether you like it or not, like sometimes people worship that thing. Sometimes people don't. They have a big temple that they burn. A lot of the stuff that they build there is burnable.

It's by the end of the week they burn it. It was very fascinating. I couldn't believe it was real. A lot of high profile people there that wouldn't want you to know that they were there. And it's just like people live a double life.

That was like the realest double life I've ever seen. Will you go back? I don't know. Like high profile CEOs doing just wild stuff. A list of celebrities that are covered in, you know,

it's the middle of the desert, black rock desert. You know, we're in turbines hiding the, you know, the wind and goggles. I don't know if I'll go back.

“Only if God calls me there, that's why we went because we felt like God called us there.”

We didn't go last year because we felt like God wasn't asking us to go back. And it was really dark. Like I don't know how to explain it. The weight on your chest and going in there and feeling uneasy and what's going on. But we were able to talk to people and have fruitful conversations and reach people.

It was amazing. I mean, we definitely looked. We definitely looked like the odd ones out. I got offered LSD twice when I was walking around. And I was like, no, but I got something better than LSD.

Really, what is it? It's Jesus. It's Jesus. So it's, you know, it's better. It's he's better than LSD.

But yeah, man, you were there the whole time. No, just for a day. I could just for a day. Yeah, I could not handle that. Shit, man.

Yeah, it was just a day. I was like, I had to really take a couple days off afterwards because I was like, that was heavy. How'd you make your wife? Well, I went to a small private Christian school. When she went to a big public school in the city next door.

And she was very beautiful and popular. And I was not very beautiful and popular.

I thought she was absolutely gorgeous. She became a Christian graduate at high school. Would randomly think of her every now and then because I just thought she was so beautiful in high school. She had no idea who I was. And then one day, we're doing that Bible study out of my apartment Wednesday night.

My roommate runs in an office and she walks in my apartment from the Bible study. And I about poof my pants. Because I'm like, you got to be kidding me. This girl is inside my pot. How is this even possible?

And so I walked up to her and introduced myself to her and I was so awkward. I could barely talk. I'm an extrovert. She didn't know I was. I knew she was.

I said, hi, my name is Bryce. She said, hi, I'm Maddie and I went, I know. Talk about talk about blow up a potential relationship. And then a couple of days later, my roommate that runs the Bible study and I,

we did a road trip and back with Maddie and her roommate at the time to waffle house. Because the closest waffle house was in Phoenix, Arizona. So we drove there and drove back. And I really got to know Maddie on that road trip. And I don't man.

I just think she's incredible.

But I kept praying and asking God, like,

“can I take her out on the date, can I take her out on the date?”

Almost like I would knock on her actual dad's house. Take you on a date. So I did that for a while and then got to know her heart, her character. We dated for two years. Got engaged in October of 25.

Mirried in January of 26. Right on, Ben. Thank you. Congratulations. That's awesome.

Thank you. Home town girl. Come on. It's the best life. It makes holidays easy.

We can just go, we can go back. That's fun. Good boy. Good boy. Furry Khan.

What? Oh man. Furry Khan. I think the furry community. As much as I love the mishuman beings.

I think it is a massive deception. What is this? Are these the kids that are going to school?

“And I think they're animals in the mascot costumes.”

Yeah, things like that. So when you go to the furry convention. So there's adults to do this. A lot of them are adults. I would say over half of them are adults.

Like in their 50s. Yeah. So when we went, I would argue Furry Khan was just as dark as burning man. I would argue. And, uh, how many people are at this thing?

Oh man. I'm trying to think. We just went to one at the, like, a cute three of last year. I'm trying to think. Maybe like a thousand.

And they do them all over the country. So we went to one in California. Maybe like a little less than a thousand. But they're just in the mascot costumes or acting like they're animal. They got this persona on.

And they claim like, oh, it's just like a care character. It's just this. It's just that.

But then like the first one we ever went to.

My thing is Jesus has to be as wise as a serpent in his innocent as a dove. So when we go in environments, I don't want to stick out like a sore thumb, but I'm not going to put on a furry costume. I'm not going to put on a furry costume. So I went in the exhibit hall to try to find a t-shirt.

Well, they didn't have any t-shirts in there. It was all, you know, tails and mascot heads and, you know, furry heads and whatever. And then I noticed that there was a roped off section. Then I should have used two cents in my brain. I had to show them my ID to get into the, the roped off section because it was another

exhibit hall is an 18 plus explicit exhibit hall. They're selling like sexual furry items in there. And like sexual posters of cartoon furries and body pillows and all this weird sexual stuff. And it just felt like people were getting groomed.

That's what it felt like. And, you know, the thing that really breaks my heart is the fact that people feel like that they have to identify, identify with a persona. Like be who got us made you to beat. Like we got us called you.

If got us made you a man, like be a man, if got us called you be a woman, be a woman. Like be who got us made you to beat. But again, you don't have to hide your personality behind a costume or a persona. It was arguably just as dark as burning man. And we had a lot of fruitful conversations.

We got us to leave the first one two years ago.

And then this one that we went to. We were able to stay a little bit. And we didn't get, you know, quote unquote kicked out. But I mean, people were hungry for Jesus. I think that's the one.

Yeah, everyone's hungry for Jesus. More than you would think. More than you would think.

“And you know, I think that's our job is like, we are so afraid to tell people about Jesus”

because we're like, oh, they're going to reject it. Like, oh, that's the immediate thought. But Jesus says that the harvest is ripe. Many people are ready.

Not enough people are doing it.

Wow. These things just pop in your head. You're like, all right. Go on. I don't know.

I got an interesting brain. I'm just like, man, I want to, well, because I'm so. I didn't know they had furry conventions. Oh, yeah. I mean, they got meat up.

So you can find them on eggs and stuff like that. And, you know, telegram. They, the, the furgas are really congregate on telegram. I've been in a couple group chats, but that's about it, like, to know. But I mean, it's, I, I'm so committed to talking to these people

because these are the people that society writes off. These are the people that say, oh, they're too far gone.

Oh, no, you can never reach them.

Oh, they would never want Jesus. Oh, they would never that. And I think the total opposite, if you can be so extreme for something that's not true, how much more on fire could you be for something if you found out it was the truth?

“That's why I'm passionate about these groups and these people.”

What happened at Auburn University? Oh, man, Auburn University, why love Auburn University? I think it's a great place. I got all my hometown friends go to school there. We started doing some campus debates.

So that last year in the spring of 25, we did a few test runs at a couple SEC schools that were gracious enough to invite us. Auburn was one of them. We did two full days on the, on the green about four hours of peace. And we just talked about Jesus and preached the gospel and answered questions about Jesus.

And we partnered with the campus ministry there. Then we did their campus night. And then I've done two. One this year or one in 2025 and one in 2024 did a fraternity event. I did one for just the fraternities. And then we did one for the fraternities and the sororities,

where we preached and then answered questions about fate. And to see young people, I mean,

the first time we went there when we did it on the lawn,

I think we had like 1500 people come out on the first day. And then the second day, like a little under a thousand maybe. Wow. And just back to back days for hours in the sun. Just hours sitting there taking the heat.

And just listening and learning about Jesus and catching people walking by and things like that and having dialogue about faith. And then the fraternities, I'm passionate about fraternities. And so we did one at, for all the fraternities at Auburn that we did another one for both all the fraternities and all the sororities. Wow. I mean, if you're doing debates too.

We're going to be doing some campus debates in the fall. So open air, tabling, particularly about Christianity. Because we need to train believers globally through digital media, how to defend the faith that you can have respectful conversations and disagree. But also, we want to plead the case for Christianity.

So we're going to be going to college campuses. We've already gotten over 2500 requests in our, in our form to go to campuses. So there's a desire, not only do people want us to come, but they just desire their campus to know Jesus. And so we're actively learning, you know, how can we come to these campus and not only just show up and leave. Like we want to be able to partner with the campus ministries on campus and equip them to reach their own classmates as well.

“Because if we just show up and leave, what do we do?”

Nothing but an event. But if we show up and equip and leave, it's not just an event, it's a movement and a movement's bigger than one person. It's not about Verizon. It's about Jesus. And so we want everyone in this place to know.

I mean, imagine this thing called Christianity, it's not limited to a language. It's not limited to a nation barrier. I mean, the Christianity is for anyone that presoxygen. And so if we can train people to do so, we're going to do it. And if we can train people to do so, we're going to do so.

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And if we can train people to do so, we're going to do so. And if we can train people to do so, we're going to do so. Because it's pretty plain cut. This is who Jesus is. This was his life.

He died on the cross of defeated death. If you want him, you want him. If you don't, you don't. God's going to respect the choices. It's on the table.

“And I think that there's this deep desire for truth.”

Because people are tired of being fed lies.

Because now we're making videos and pictures with technology that looks more real than life itself.

It's so hard to understand what's the truth. Like when something breaks online, I don't even know if what I'm reading is true now. I don't even know if the video I'm seeing online is a real video.

“And so that's why it's important that we go to these campuses.”

And we teach the students and we talk to Gen Z specifically about Jesus. Because we have to be ready. Godlessness is rising every day where one step closer to Jesus returning. And we're also one step further in a bunch of suffering. I feel like every time we turn on the news, it's only bad news.

Every time I open my phone, it's only bad junk.

And there's this thing that we need Jesus and so we need the Word of God to do so.

What do you think the difference is between Christianity and Catholicism or Protestants and Catholicism? You know, I'm proudly a Protestant Christian. And I have Catholic friends and I even have Orthodox friends. That's sincerely love Jesus. I also think that there's Protestant Christians and Catholic Christians and Orthodox believers that don't sincerely love Jesus.

There's denominational differences.

“There's things that I appreciate about Catholicism that I respect that I think Protestants need to learn a little bit more from.”

There's also some things about Catholicism that I disagree with. But you know what's so fascinating to me is that we preach against self-harm and mental health but the body of Christ cuts itself every day. When we argue with each other over secondary issues and tetraria issues. When we really agree on the primary but we're arguing over who's better and who's the real true church. I think that we need to see a unity.

Like some things that I appreciate about Catholicism in particular are like, I love the reverence for tradition and church history. I think it's important. I think that we should look more back on it as Protestants.

I think there's incredible church fathers that we receive a lot of our doctrine from today that we don't understand.

Like this guy named Turtilian before 380 coined the literal term trinity. Like where we get that label for the triune God. He was the one that coined that term. The nice scene creed. A lot of our doctrine comes from there.

Like there's amazing things about church history.

“I think we should look back on church history.”

I also think the sacraments, the Catholic Church has a deep reverence in respect that I think Protestants tend to just casually walk through without respect. Like I think that baptism is beautiful. I'm not convinced this is one thing that I'm not convinced but I'm challenged on. I'm not convinced that communion is literally the flesh of Christ and literally the blood of Christ. But a popular Protestant belief is that communion is just a sin.

I do not believe communion is just a sin. But I have not been fully convinced that it turns into the physical blood and the physical flesh. I think that there's this beautiful holy middle ground because the sacraments is a holy gesture before the Lord. And I think that the reverence and respect that Catholics and Orthodox brothers and sisters have for the sacraments is beautiful. I think we need more of that.

But there's also some things that I disagree with and I haven't been fully convinced and that's okay. But I think that we should figure out how we can unite as believers under the truth that we want to see people know Christ. I think that's the main focus. It seems like you have some pretty strong feelings about Islam as well. I do. I do have some strong feelings about Islam.

Glitteram. I think Islam is the anti-Christ. Really? Yeah, and I say that confidently and boldly and I'm not going to shy down from it. I love Muslims as people, but Islam as a religion is a religion of war and a religion of division.

And a religion of if you don't do it, I say you will be punished for it. And I don't agree with it. The prophet Muhammad 600 years after Jesus was born is visited according to the Hadiths, which are about 85% of Muslims are considered Sunni Muslims. So I'm going to talk as if we're talking to the major population of Islam here.

According to the Hadiths, Muhammad was visited by the angel Gabriel. And if you read the Hadiths, he's visited by the angel Gabriel and he is squeezed and he is pressed and beaten by this angel. And it's laughable for me to think that they're claiming an angel visited him in a cave. Because every time you read the Bible and an angel visit someone, they get afraid and they say, "Wait, don't be afraid." They comfort the person that they visit, but for some reason Muhammad is beaten to the ground and squeezed and tortured by this so-called angel.

Jump off of a mountain. Their own writings record this. No eyewitnesses to this. He goes back home to his wife, Kiddizha. It says, "I had this wild thing in the cave happened." And she's like, "Oh, you're a prophet sent from God."

And she's like, "Let me go take you to my Christian buddy." And I'm going to mispronounce this name, but it seems like Quadrak or Quadrakah.

“So they go to this Christian buddy. And he's like, "Oh, yeah. I mean, if all that sounds true, I mean, you must be a prophet sent from God."”

And that was where that period of time spiraled where Muhammad tried to kill himself multiple times.

And so finally, he came to his senses at one point and said, "Wait, I must be a prophet sent from God."

And so there we have the birth of Islam. Now, if you read the Quran, you'll notice that it's written in two different time periods. The first half of the Quran feels very inclusive. Jews and Christians are people of the book. Look to the Torah, look to the angel, to confirm our scriptures.

But as you continue to read the book of Islam, it becomes less inclusive and more exclusive. See, there are way or the highway. Isn't that Christianity? Well, in a sense, but not in the sense that we're going to physically kill you over it. Not that we're going to physically punish you for it.

So this is how it starts, right? There's three stages of Islam.

Here's the first stage of America's in the first stage right now.

“It looks like woke Islam. They're inclusive.”

You have Muslims who are okay with trans and homosexual ideologies. But if I went to the Gaza Strip as a gay man, and I went in the street and said, "I am gay before I could finish that sentence. I'd be murdered in the street." But here in America, the Muslims are okay with it. They're tolerating it. Why? Because they're the minority right now.

They're trying to come in. Stage two is what's happening in Germany and in Europe. They've invaded that country and basically taken political power. And no, if you say something that you disagree with the Muslims, they're not going to physically hurt you. But you know what they're going to call you? They're going to call you in Islam a phob.

We're in Islam a phobic.

I'm not afraid of you nor am I angry because I hate you as a moral, moral person.

I'm angry at what your religion is doing. I'm angry at the division it's causing. And then stage three is Islam that you would see in the Middle East. And that is if you do not convert to Islam home to Allah, they will kill you if you do not conform to their ways.

And America's in stage one. And I believe Islam is the anti-Christ. Because if you look at the eschatology of what happens in Islam, the end times of Islam compared to the end times in Christianity, all the bad stuff for the Christians is like the good stuff for the Muslims.

I don't think that's coincidental. 600 years after this. And the Bible tells us that Satan can appear in the bad stuff for Christians is the good stuff for Islam. So here's an example, right? The end times we believe in a massive falling away, as believers.

We believe that in the end times, according to Christianity, that there is going to be a mass falling away. One is Islam, they believe in a mass conversion. And the book of Revelation, we read that a beast will rise from the sea. And if you take the mark of the beast, you'll be condemned. And certain Islamic traditions, some that are still respected and received today,

some Islamic traditions and writings say that a beast will rise from the sea. And if you take the mark of Allah, you'll be saved. You know, the way that the martyrs were killed in the book of Revelation is through beheading. The number one way you kill people in Jihad is through beheading. Why is that?

Why are these similarities here? Do you think, I don't think Satan's an idiot. He's not a red guy with pitchforks and horns. He's seductive, he's attractive. And the Bible tells us that he can appear as an angel of light.

And his demons as angels of righteousness, he can appear as so. And so time and time again, we hear about new religions and things like that. And the ultimate, I really have two major issues with Islam. And these are things like minor issues, like look at the eschatology. Look at how Muhammad got the revelation in the cave and where he got it.

I really have two major issues with Islam. And it's with the Quran. And it's with Muhammad marrying a six year old. Those are the big issues I have with Islam.

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“Yes, so we were talking about, well, two things that are issues with the Quran”

and are issues with IESHA, which was one of Muhammad's wives. Muhammad had married a six-year-old named IESHA. And Islam essentially, you know, the dumbed down version of this is, Muhammad has a friend, a good friend, that's part of this religion, that writes some of these Hadiths called Baccati.

And Baccati's daughter was IESHA. And essentially what happened was Muhammad comes to Baccati and it's like, "Hey, God told me that you're supposed to give me your daughter for marriage." And he's kind of like, "What? That's a little interesting." And he then tells Baccati that essentially,

Allah is going to strike you down if you don't give me your daughter. So IESHA, at six-year-old, married Muhammad. And at nine-year-old, he consummates their marriage by having sex with her. Muhammad had sex with a nine-year-old, married her when she was six-years-old. And the common objection you will hear from a Muslim is, "Oh, well, you know,

she was at the age of puberty. You know, she had had her period. It was puberty. It was fine back in that time period, by no means." Because one of the most well-respected Muslim scholars on telling you and I and Muslims how to interpret the Hadiths would tell us both that she didn't hit puberty until she was 14-years-old.

And one of the most popular Muslim commentaries to teach people the Hadiths. He says, "Yes, she didn't hit puberty until she was 14-years-old. And one of the signs was because in the text, it tells us that IESHA played with dolls that was shameful and that culture, unless you were a prepubescent girl."

And so we're looking at this and going, "Well, hold on a second.

We don't have, like, Muslims don't have an issue with it, but we should have an issue with it as human beings." Mohammed mirrors a six-year-old and has sex with her at nine. "Do you know who tells us this in Islam? IESHA herself." Personal testimony from IESHA describing that, "Yep, Mohammed married me when I was six

and consummated our marriage when I was nine." "I've a really big problem with that." We say peace be upon him as a prophet, police be upon him. We need to call the police on Mohammed. He's got some big issues. So that's one of my issues with Mohammed.

"You've read this?" "You've read this?" In the Hadiths and in the Quran. These are in the Hadiths. So the Quran is like their word of God in Islam, but these Hadiths are highly respected documents

where they get doctrine and information about Islam. The Hadiths are, I don't want to do disrespect, like the Quran is a Quran. Like it's like this is our word,

“but the Hadiths are highly important in their culture as well.”

And I issue personal testimony for being six years old when Mohammed married her.

I'm just curious. Why did you decide to read the Quran?

“Well, I got interested in it because when we look in the Middle East”

and see all the Islamic regime issues that are going on, I actually, at the time period right now, like they're retaliating against the Islamic Caliphate. So I'm not going to talk about it in this moment, because we've seen a lot of issues with Islam.

This religion is this religion of peace. And if you don't do what we say, we're going to kill you and we're going to hurt you and harass you. I mean, look at ISIS almost a decade ago with those 21 martyrs on the beach. Do you remember that?

I spent a lot of time over there, and I've seen a lot of shit. So I don't remember that exactly, but I know what you're talking about. Yeah, just wicked stuff, like it.

They killed 20 Coptic Orthodox Christians on the beach.

There's a famous video of them making a video and be heading them on the beach. And then there was a young black man who had been arrested and he didn't even know Jesus or anything. And he looked at the Islamic regime

and saw their faith and said, whatever they are, I am, and they killed him too. 21 martyrs. But I got fascinated by it because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

And so because of that, I've heard Christianity is now the fastest growing religion in the world. It may be now, but in the West, right? We're seeing an end look like the underground church in China is the biggest church in the world.

Is it really? It is. It's biggest church in the world.

Yeah, it's incredible what God's doing in China right now.

But statistically speaking, Islam grows that a rapid pace. On a real rapid. Well, I know. I'm aware. And the thing with it is through the roof.

The thing with Islam is it's not just religion to them, it's culture. It's deeper than just, we live in the south and we live so comfortable. If someone disrespects Christianity, we're just kind of like, alright, whatever. But if someone disrespects Islam, then it's, oh, this is personal. This is a big deal.

This is bread. This is culture. You can lie for the sake of Islam.

“Would you say they are more righteous people than us?”

There's some aspects, like there's a lot of Muslims that pray more than Christians do. They give more than Christians do. They fast more than Christians do. Like I respect that Muslims are like one with the law and it's like, God is one, he's there and we just do whatever he says.

Like there's a devoutness devotion to a law and Islam. And I can respect that. From an outside review, disregarding my opinions about it. Like irrespective of devotion. Like it's respectable.

But the fruit of the religion and the fruit of being a true Muslim. And the fruit of Islam isn't really fruit. It's just takeover and domination and submission. That's what it is. And now we're seeing Muslims challenging Christians.

And this is really what made me get hyperfixated on it. We're seeing Muslims challenging Christians. And saying, do you think the Bible has no flaws? And Christians say yes. And then they point to a scribal error that doesn't make the Bible flawed.

And they say, look, look at this, there's a flaw in your Bible. And they make every day people in America that just are labeled as Christians think. That it's false just because they interacted with the Muslim on the street. And the Muslim pulled out a Bible verse and said something about it. And so we're hyperfixated on it because for a while I'm like,

I've got to come up with every argument and every defense. And I've got to hyperfixate on this and that. And while all those things that we mentioned are great, this is where we get to the main problem of Islam.

“And that's what we call the Islamic Dilemma.”

And the Islamic Dilemma is essentially in the Qur'an. In Sarah chapter 3, or in Caesar Sarah chapter 3, or Sarah chapter 53, it talks about how the Qur'an can be confirmed if we just look back to the Torah and the Ingeo. The Ingeo would be considered the gospel.

Well, if you ask a Muslim, what is the Ingeo? They can't tell you. They can't tell you what the gospel is. So which gospel would they be referring to? Well, they would obviously be referring to the Scriptures that we have

in our leather bound Bible that you and I claim is the Word of God and that we review our faith too, right? Well, they say, well, the Bible is corrupt. Well, if the Qur'an says that we need to look back to the Bible to confirm that the Qur'an is true, if the Bible is corrupt, then that means the Qur'an is corrupt.

So why would I want to become a Muslim? But then if the Bible is true, and it says, "Well, look back to the Bible to confirm the Qur'an." Well, if we look back to the Bible, we shouldn't look to the Qur'an. According to the Scriptures.

So this is the Islamic Dilemma. It's a double-age sword. If the Scriptures are true, Islam is false. If the Scriptures are false, Islam is false.

we have not seen an answer from a Muslim proved to us and give us an example

or a few to this claim.

“Interesting. I didn't know a lot of this.”

It's very fascinating. I don't know too much, but there's some guys like God logic and Sam Shaman and Nebio Karashi who formerly was Muslim and then converted it to him seven years. He's dead now.

But they have funnier. He brought a book. He did. Seeking a law-finding Jesus? Yep. He's dead. He's dead.

Shit, I just found that guy. I was thinking about trying to get him on here. Yeah, he had pancreatic cancer in past away. But he's got great stuff on Islam as well. Right on. Right on.

Interesting discussions. End times. The end times. What do you think? We get in close.

A lot of people think that.

Well, the end times are the period in which we wait for Jesus to return a second time. So hypothetically, the apostles were in the end times after Jesus and ascended into heaven.

“So I do think there's this aspect of the end times”

where people are fear-mongering people. I literally watched a dude last year saying Jesus is going to return on September 23rd. I can't remember the day. I'm blanking on it.

And he was doing a countdown of him selling all of his possessions and documenting it. And it was a really big deal on social media. And people were like, "I'm having dreams. It's going to be on this date."

And the Bible says, "No one knows the day or the hour." But people were like, "Oh, he's coming back on this date." And then that date came. And then we all went to sleep. And then we woke up.

And I just couldn't stop cracking up about it.

Because we had a guy on the show.

Say it was coming back. He used to have 20, 20, six. Did he really-- Oh, snap. Be ready, guys. I know.

It's going down. He couldn't replay that clip here pretty soon. You know, it's fascinating. Because there's many parables that we read Matthew chapter 24 and 25.

It's Jesus specifically talking about the end times. He's like, "Look, there's going to be wars and rumors of wars and there's going to be certain things." And aspects and birth pains. These are just the birth pains.

These are just the beginning. See, I hear that. And I think this is every time period in my life. And my parents' life, and my grandparents' life. And my great parents' life.

Yep. Yep. And I think that's the aspect to the end times that's dangerous. Is, you know, for example, war breaks out in Iran recently.

Oh, no, the end times is coming. Well, maybe. But just because suffering is happening, that shouldn't make me try to get a get out of health free card.

Like my love for Jesus, like I am expectantly and joyfully waiting on Jesus' return. Because the promise of the scripture says when Jesus returns, he's going to end and suffering once and for all.

“And so, as a believer, that's why Matthew 25 is so important.”

Because we read this parable about the parable of the 10 virgins and others 10 virgins. And they're essentially a part of the bridal party of the bride. Right? And so, five of them have oil in their lamp

and five of them don't. This oil represents the Holy Spirit. It represents intimacy with Jesus. And so, they had no idea when the bridegroom would come and get their bride,

but the ones who had oil in their lamps were able to go and be with the bridal part. And so, we need to look at the imagery of scripture and what Jesus uses in the language he uses to talk about his return.

And I believe that the ultimate depiction of the return of Christ, which should be how I personally believe how we should perceive it is a galaly and wedding. And we see that imagery a lot throughout scripture. A galaly and wedding.

What is that? Yeah, so essentially in like a galaly and wedding, you would have the same kind of a trotal, which was like a verbal agreement between the man and the woman saying,

"You want to get married?" "Yeah, I want to get married." "Yeah, I want to get married." Let's get married. So it's almost like, I don't want to call it an engagement,

but it's essentially like a verbal agreement. So we commit and it's like great. The husband then leaves the bride. And he goes back home to his father's house and he begins to build a room,

attached to his father's house for him and his future bride to live in. As he's building the house, the bride is going to go back to her father's house and she's going to wear her white wedding dress,

white representing purity because she has no idea when the bride groom will return for her. As she needs to be ready, she needs to be in her white dress pure ready,

sleeping in her dress, walking in her dress, everything in her dress, bright and ready. And when the bride groom is done building the attachment

he's going to begin to come for her with trumpets.

And when he enters into her city, he's going to blow trumpets and be like I'm here. I'm here for my bride. And wherever she's at, he's going to go into the house

and pick his bride up and bring her back to his father's house where he created space for her and they're going to go in there for seven days and they're going to

love each other very well for seven days. And then after that seven days, they open it up and they're at a marriage feast. Now why is this imagery so important

because Jesus came to the disciples and says, "It is better for me to go because I'm going to make room for you and my father's house." He's not just talking to the disciples, he's talking to believers.

People that believe in him, he says, "I'm going to go, it's better for me to go

because I need to go make a room for you and my father's house."

And so then Jesus ascends into heaven and he is actively in heaven and his physical body. Waiting to return. And no one knows the day or the hour.

That's why I laugh at people that are like Jesus is returning on this specific day this time. I'm like, "Get out of here." No one knows the day or the hour except the father. And so it is my job as a believer

to always be ready.

“That's why the lady is wearing her dress and white.”

And the white represents purity. So I need to honor God with my actions. You know, the sincerity of my faith. But secondly,

I don't know what he's going to return. Imagine if on your wedding day you're standing at the altar and waiting for the church doors to open. And when the church doors open,

your bride is kissing another man and has a beer in her other hand. And goes, "Oh, now the show's ready." And throws it all away and grabs a bouquet and then walks down the aisle.

That'd be really odd. No, no, no. We don't want to live like that. We want to be a bride, essentially that is ready for Christ to return.

And then we read the book of Revelation that he's going to return with trumpets from heaven. I'm coming for my bride. I'm coming to get what's mine. And he's going to return on a white horse

and power and glory. And he's going to come take us. We're going to go be with him. And then the Bible says after judgment day that the people who have put sincere faith in Jesus Christ

are going to have this marriage feast of the supper with the lamb. The same way after that seven day period that the bride and the bride groom would marry life,

love each other very well for seven days. They would open up those doors. And there would be a marriage feast waiting for them. And in the same way, everyone that's put faith in Jesus Christ, we get to have this thing.

And celebrate called this marriage feast of the supper of the lamb.

I've actually never heard that.

It's fascinating, isn't it? It is. It is. I mean, do end times scare you at all? I mean, there's moments where I'm like,

"Oh, wow, like is this really all going to end someday?" You know? Because, well, right now, this is all we know to be a lot of persecution of Christians in the end times.

Absolutely. And we're starting to see it. And we're starting to see it. And hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you could have read this in your Bible before I say it.

It's going to continue to grow. And it's going to continue to happen.

“And that's why we need to stand for truth”

and be prepared. I mean, a lot of people are persecuted. A lot of different, you know what I mean? There's Muslims that are persecuted. There's Jews that are persecuted.

There are Christians that are persecuted. They're probably every religion. You know? I don't know. I don't know.

I look around and I think. Man, they're probably on the way. But what the hell do I know, right? I guess so. I mean.

But I mean, you're talking about burning man furries. All this like gender ideology, shit that's going on. I mean, all the wars, all the everything. Everything.

Everything. Like all the pedophilia. Yeah. All over. It's everywhere.

We're the number one consumer of pedophilia, of whatever. Pito content. Yeah. This country.

Yeah. Yeah. That crazy. It's extremely sad. Extremely sad.

If that doesn't wake you up to think, man,

“could there be a God that could save us off from this?”

I don't know what will. Man. Man. Well, let's get to some good stuff. So you're on tour right now.

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But before we do, I got a bonus question here. All right. This has to do with n times. Great. There are so many narratives and so much propaganda flying around that I'm not saying this is true as it's unverified.

I want to use it as a Bible question. It's first reported by independent journalist Jonathan Larson will link the sub stack below. The military religious freedom foundation says it's logged 110 plus complaints in roughly 48 hours from 40 plus units across 30 plus installations. Alleging some commanders framed the Iran conflict is. God's plan and tied it to revelation in n times prophecy.

Okay.

“If that kind of message were true, can human beings actually speed up the return of Christ by trying to force n times events or is that a dangerous misuse of revelation and prophecy that Christians should reject outright?”

Hmm. Fascinating question. Here's how I believe we can speed up the return of Christ and it's not by forcing suffering around the globe. Suffering is naturally going to occur because we live in a sinful world. So we don't have to force suffering for it to naturally happen.

It's got to naturally happen. What we can do to quote unquote speed up the return of Christ is see as many people come to know him as possible. That's what we can do. If we forcing suffering doesn't nothing, we think that we're able to you know, if we can't let our church in to God's plan and God's won't be like, "No, why I'm going to do this thing and force it?

God for new. Everything that was going to happen." So we can't necessarily create an event or create a moment and think, "Oh, I've interjected into this thing." So now it's going to speed up the process. God already knew what was going to happen.

But I guess if anything we could take away from it is because we are in the end times. It should give us a sense of urgency to tell us many people is possible about Jesus. You don't think anything about rebuilding the temple or the golden calf or any of that is trying to kickstart this. I mean, look, the Bible tells us to look for signs, right? So I'm not going to be the one to say this is specifically a sign and this one isn't specifically a sign.

But the Bible says that we should look for signs and we will know. And so I don't think it's far fetch to think that these things are coming to fruition. That certain things are taking place around the globe. We've become privileged in America. We think that Christianity is all about Americans. It's all happened in the east. So we got to look at what's going on over there.

But I try to be as cautious as possible by making absolute claims about very gray areas. You know, look for signs. What does that mean? You know, the Bible talks about the Nile River turning red, or sorry, the Nile River drying up. Well, it has dry cycles naturally. You know, so the next time it dries up, I'm not going to put an absolute statement on that and be like, oh, Jesus is about to return.

Because look, the Nile River is dried up. Well, it has dry cycles. So like, I'm going to use some common sense here. So when it comes to signs, like, I want to be cautious at making an absolute truth claim about it.

But then again, looking at the world we live in now, look at the technology we have now and look at all the deception that's rising up. I mean, it doesn't seem far fetched that we're not necessary.

“I mean, my personal opinion, I think we're getting in the thick of it.”

But, but I don't say that to fear longer. Because every generation, like you said, Billy Graham believed that Jesus was going to return before he died. And before that, people believe that he was going to return before that. I mean, can you imagine how people felt in World War II? Oh, my gosh.

So I, you know, I wanted that should not create fear in us. That should create urgency, urgency to share the gospel. It's a follow-up question here. When people point to revelation that say this headline is Armageddon, what do they usually misunderstand? And how should Christians read revelation without turning news into prophecy?

That's a great question. You know, I think we need to understand by now, at this point, the news is going to profit off of suffering. You know, like, for example, when the, when the plane, when the plane started crashing when Trump got back in office, every news headline, every time open the phone is a new plane crash, new plane crash, new plane crash, new plane crash. So I'm like, dang, the pilot's just getting bad this month, they're like, what's going on?

And I don't think it was necessarily that. It was just, they were hyper-fixating on an issue. So we do need to be careful about labeling news headlines as, oh, this is the Armageddon.

I think that's where the correct perspective of the end times has to be, like, we've always been in the end times.

And so we're waiting on Jesus to return a second time. And the fact of the matter is, we don't know, he could come back before this podcast episode ends. He could come back two years from now, two days from now, two hours from now. And that should provoke us to live a life that's giving glory to God and submitting to him. Right, man. Well said. Well said. Go.

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That's the music for your ears. You do as often as the vendors, make Shopify constant to an ancient hip band, start to dance test. One more thing to crack out here. So we're, you know, we're live right now. So why I gave us some questions from Patron's Washington. So this one is from Oliver MP, Bryson Sean.

With both of you being so influential and having such large platforms. How do you deal with imposter syndrome if you do? Sean, how do you deal with it? I don't know how to answer that. I just keep putting one fucking foot right in front of the other and driving forward.

And I mean, there's a lot of fear in doing this in different subjects. And, you know, I'm kind of, I mean, you just got to keep pushing forward. You cannot let fear drive your life and dictate all of your decisions and, and, and keep you from achieving what you want to achieve and what you think, what you should be doing.

“And, you know, so I think that's me. How about you?”

You know, I'm actually off social media too right now. Are you really? I am when you said that you're like, yeah, thank you. Thank you. We've made it. That lie about being chronically online. It's totally alive, man. I mean, dude, a thousand good comments just pops you up with pride and the one bad comment is louder than a thousand good.

And it just shatters your heart.

Because I've just found out it never does any good.

So I'm honestly just cut off my social media and realize it's actually allowed me to love people. Love people well and not care about what other people think about me. That's how I've avoided it so far. I love that. How long have you been off?

Probably about three days now, three or four days. Three or four days? Yeah. I'm not much farther along. I'm about a week and a half.

Let's go. I like it. But I will say I am a lot more in the moment with my wife and kids now. I did not just realize how much that is. And all honesty, ruining your fucking life.

Yeah, you know, but this one's from Luke when struggling with lust and just feeling empty inside.

“What is the best way to quit the addiction and to live for Christ to the fullest?”

Hmm. Sexual sin is the only sin in the Bible. It tells us to flee from. So if we think that we can beat sexual sin, for example, someone says why I want to stop sleeping with my partner outside of marriage. But I'm going to go sleep over at their house or you're flirting with it.

If you think you can get in the boxing ring with it, you've already lost. The Bible says to flee from it.

And so I think a couple of things first thing I think we need to take accountability.

We oftentimes blame the devil for situations that we put ourselves in.

The devil's got me, but you stay up till 2 a.m. scrolling on your phone. Like, what are we doing? And so there's an aspect of it, where it's some 1309 search my heart got revealed to me the areas of my life that are causing me to stumble. And Matthew chapter 6, if your right hand causes you to sin cut it off, for it's better to enter the kingdom of heaven with one member than to go to hell with both. So there's this aspect of sexual sin where it's damaging to the soul.

You create soul ties. You can get diseases. It's outside of marriage. Create this unreal fantasy in your brain about what sex is like versus what it's really like.

And ultimately, lastly, it's knowing what true love is.

Love isn't sex. Love isn't booze when it hits the system. Love isn't the feeling you get when you look at that significant other in the eyes. Love is a choice. Love is sacrifice.

Love is Jesus. Man. Nice one. This is from Angie.

“How significant is the role of masculinity in today's church culture?”

And what can be done to better cultivate it among young men who are seeking a deeper relationship with God? Hmm. We need men to stand firm. Be bold. I mean, if you read both of the letters that Paul wrote to Timothy, I mean, we read what it looks like to be a man of God first Timothy in particular.

Men need to do hard things. Why have men stopped doing hard things? I don't know. Why have we stopped? I think we stopped.

You know, Ephesians 4 tells us that husbands should love their wives way that Christ loves to church. On to death, there's no responsibility like that on the woman. Why is that? Because men are called to lead. Stand firm.

Be bold. Do hard things. And if you're looking for a resource out there on good biblical masculinity, there's a pastor out of Florida named Pastor Jobe Martin. He has a book called Stand firm and act like men. And it is just a phenomenal book.

His resources and sermons on biblical masculinity have blessed me.

“And I think that men have decided to take a back seat because we think that that's what women like.”

And that's not the case at all. Women like men that are bold. And women want a man that's going to get up at 3 a.m. when they hear a noise in the house. And go bust down when they're new pistol from Sean Ryan and see what's going on down there. You know.

That's what women are looking for. Right on. This is from Hunter Widen. Why do you think so many young men, excuse me? Why do you think so many young men today feel spiritually lost?

And what would what would you say directly to them? Hmm. I think so many young men feel spiritually lost because there's so many options. Like sometimes I get overwhelmed with decision-making with things now because it's like there's 12 different flavors of jelly. And you know, 44,000 religions.

And it's like, what are we doing? What are the options? What do I put in my world view? But I would encourage every young man or young woman, look at the overwhelming amount of evidence. The exam and the life of Jesus read the Gospels for yourself and test it with history. Like, look at the amount of evidence that points to this dude being Jesus. I mean, if the evidence really points to Jesus being the way the truth and the life,

then that's worth putting all my poker chips in on. I like to add to that. I think, you know, you brought something up earlier that I've talked about all the time. And that is, you know, nobody knows what is real anymore. It doesn't matter whether it's social media, mainstream media, whatever you can't tell.

“Yeah, anymore. The only thing that you can rely on is the Bible.”

Yeah. And I really believe that. Yeah. This is from Hunter Ryan.

Bryce, what's the single most important lesson the Holy Spirit has taught you through all your street evangelism and counters,

that you wish every Christian, especially young people really understood about boldly sharing the full Gospel today. We need to listen more than we talk listening. There's a reason God gave us two years in one mouth. And we need to treat people like human beings and not statistics. And I think sometimes the misconception is, oh, let me go into this thing.

And I got to say as many words as I can and conjure up the right phrases. And that's what's going to convince them. Actually, people just want to feel seen and heard. People want to know that you care. Ask questions. Listen, oh, really, how did that affect you? What was it like growing up?

What was your home like? Really? Tell me more about that. What's going on? Ask questions be intentional. Use your ears and listen because God's given us this ministry called presence being there for people.

And that that tends to be more powerful than words we can conjure up.

Well, we're about to end this here. So do you have anything that you want to say before we end it? Thanks for having me on. I don't much fun. My pleasure. I see we end it with a prayer. Let's do it.

Ready? Let's do it. Jesus, I just want to thank you for this amazing discussion today with my new friend, Bryce.

And this is what you want them to hear.

“And we hope that this helps grow so many people in their faith journey.”

Okay, just please just continue to be our guiding light. Payment. Payment.

All right. Bryce, it was not a man.

Thanks. Same here again.

Likewise. Thanks for having me.

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