#309 Megyn Kelly - "I Now Have to Worry About Getting Shot Because of My Opinion"

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Welcome back. It's great to be here. He's upgraded. It's minor upgrade. It's amazing.

Good for you. I'm so proud of you. Well, I appreciate that. Yeah, I just feel like you've made it. It feels good.

It should. You earned it. It feels good to give my team that's too. It's a pretty cool spot. I can't get over how many great people you have here, like kind, competent, cool.

“I don't know how you find them all, but God bless you, bless you, and bless them too.”

It's an amazing team.

A lot of them have been here since the beginning, but it takes an amazing team.

I feel same. Like, people... They don't give the team enough credit. They see you or they see me. They think we're everything.

We're like one small cog in the wheel. The bigger the bigger it gets, harder it is to trust anybody to bring in at all. No, same. I mean, I'm most of the people who work for me have been with me for 10 years. Really?

My assistant, then we meet 17 years, my top editorial producer, with color Canadian, Debbie, because she moved to Dam Canada. She'd been with me since 2007, since my very first show at Fox, she was my very first line producer. Wow.

She's chief of editorial content for me. So she knows what I want to cover, in other words, you know, and she'll co-late the news for me. Nice. Well, I don't even know where to start.

There's a lot to go over. I mean, lots happen since we last chatted. She said, yeah, a lot's happened. Man. Like, whoa, total 180.

Yeah. New war. Yeah. Threatening pretty much everybody, including Americans, it's just like, what the fuck is going on, man?

Yeah. No, it's incredibly disappointing. There's just no two ways about it. I just feel like Republicans in general are bummed out right now, whereas a year ago, two years ago, they were excited.

They were optimistic. They felt hopeful. And now it's like, it's starting to feel like welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss. Yeah.

It, uh, it sure doesn't seem like they're hiding anything anymore.

“I don't think Trump feels any need to, you know, I mean, I think second term, post assassination”

attempts. He's like, how you like me now. What do you think of those assassination attempts? What do you mean, do I think they're unique? Which one?

Yeah, do you think they're, what do you think? I think they were genuine. You think they're real? Yeah. I mean, I look at what happened in Butler.

It's like, Corey Comfortory's dead, you know, two other individuals were seriously wounded. There was, there's no question that a man got on top of roof and took shots at Trump and others and killed at least one man. Whether somebody else had something to do with it. That's more what I mean.

Yeah, I, I don't think we're ever going to know that.

I, I hate to sound so fatalistic, but I just feel like we're never going to know.

No one's ever going to really investigate and they're going to get away with the various things that they've tried to, if not cover up, just keep our nose as out of, you know.

because I haven't seen any evidence of it.

You know, the closest I've seen is Tucker got his hands on the guy's social media as did Miranda divine and one other person and did some reporting on how he was, he hated the left, then he hated the right. That's when Trump got swiped in and was sounding kind of disaffected and then had some weird social media contacts or interactions and then things went dark.

“And I think this is what's led people to say who swooped in and manipulated him, MK ultra-style.”

And that's a fine. I'm fine with that question. But there's been zero evidence that anyone actually did that, like the, the whole theory stops there because we don't have anything else. Well, for the life of me, I just can't understand why you would cut the investigation

into your own assassination attempt. Yeah. Oh, I know he would say he hasn't in cash per tell would say that it hasn't happened. Jokeh would say otherwise and has been for a long time and not just that one.

The guy who ran into the White House correspondent's dinner, what even was that?

It was like a desperate cry for attention. He was like, a real assassination to like, is that the dumbest plan for a presidential assassination ever? You're going to run through rooms of secret service and ball gownwares to try to make your way up to the day as to take a shot at him?

I like, I don't know what that guy was. I think he was radicalized by the online community, which happens with a lot of these people.

“But that just felt like, okay, I'm underwhelmed.”

So I don't have a difficult time believing that people genuinely want to assassinate Trump and that the attempts are increasing because we live in an increasingly violent world where political violence and assassination is now getting normalized and celebrated in more and more corners so they think they have a chance to seem like a hero if they do it. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to think about anything anymore to be honest with you. Yeah. The biggest takeaway of like the new cycle over the past year has been none of us knows anything

about anything. I think the one thing that the most concerned about is Israel. Yeah. You're not allowed to be that. You're an anti-Semite.

Wow. I'm not allowed to know what to say. Okay. Yeah. All right.

Cool. That's how it's gone. A lot of us have had our eyes open on Israel and then you learn quickly after you're not allowed to have the moping. You're not allowed to ask those questions, you're not allowed to have those doubts.

“And if you do, your whole life is about to change.”

I see that. I've seen that with a couple of you guys, a lot of you guys. I don't know how you guys handle all the attacks. Well, it looks like you're having fun with them to be honest with you. Yeah.

It depends on the day. You know, some days you're like, oh, I got it, and you laugh. And other days it's, you know, you get a slew of like legit death threats and you think, well, this isn't great. So I wouldn't describe it as fun, but it's just part of the job.

It's, I have been called everything. I've been attacked as being all the absolute worst things that you can be. And, you know, if you're going to let outside attacks define you in your own head, you're in a lot of trouble. You're not going to last in this business.

So you do have to get a thick skin and sort of shrug it off. And either say, I am the worst person to ever live. I mean, I'm all the time. I must be a racist and I'm a big hit and I'm a transphobic and I'm a xenophobic and I'm an Islamophobic and I'm an anti-Semite, oh, and I'm pro-pedophile.

And I'm all the things, either all, I'm all those things. Pro-pedophile. I haven't heard that one. Yeah, yeah. That was what they said because I said that technically Jeffrey Epstein didn't meet

the definition of pedophile, which is interesting, pre-pubescent children that a person who worked for him had told me that, that that wasn't what it was into. He was into more like the 15, 16 year old types. And of course, my detractors ran with it, like, she's justifying pedophilia. I did see that.

There's a legal definition of that term and it's generally, if they put the number at 13, pre-13, we're more in like the, you know, Michael Jackson field. I've been doing a deep dive on him allegedly, reportedly. You've been doing a deep dive on Michael Jackson. Yeah, yeah.

Why?

Well, that new biopic has earned almost a billion dollars in a month.

Well, I don't even know what you're talking about. There's a huge movie out right now called Michael. It's been put out by the Jackson estate. And it stars his nephew, Jeffar Jackson, the son of Germaine, Michael's older brother, as Michael, and he's amazing, he looks just like him, only better looking.

And he's got the dance moves and he practiced. The voice and he sounds just like him, and there's a familiar, a familiar connection.

And all it does is chronicle the rise of Michael Jackson from childhood to 1987, which is six years before the first child molestation scandal. So it's sort of clean, you know, you can enjoy this great American success story, the way you could enjoy a story about Steve Jobs, or, you know, Bob Dylan. And it just kind of lobs off what happened after 1987, which would include multiple people

accusing him of child molestation, they did it for a reason. They originally had a piece on the end of it that addressed the scandal and tried to dismiss it. But then somebody called to their attention that they had signed a bunch of non-disclosure agreements, mutual non-disclosure agreements with his accusers, which barred not only the

accuser from speaking, but the Michael Jackson estate. Holy shit, I discovered this same type thing with canica. Do you hear about canica, big Christian camp, or pretty much done now, but yeah, there was a bunch of sexual abuse, like really bad shit, like reading, reading structure, over kids while they're molesting them, all that kind of stuff.

So, and they were having, then they would settle with the kids parents and the kid could

never talk about it again.

So we blew the doors off and here with Elizabeth Phillips, whose brother committed suicide, because he signed one of those. Oh, gosh. NDAs.

“If you want to find a pedophile, go where children are.”

Yeah. That's the problem was that they're always, it's never like this, you know, cloak wearing dirty guy in the park. It's somebody who looks pretty good. It is usually very good with kids.

No rocker. Right. Totally likable.

And the one you least suspect, and they will, but they will always be in a field where they

have access to children, whether it's, forgive me, Boy Scout leaders now, just like so tired and worn, but it's true, it's why a lot of them went there into the Cubs Scout leadership ranks, churches, of course, not great. Schools, also, you know, I said, tell the story, but like, when my, my one son was going off for like his fourth grade field trip, all the other moms were like, have a great

time on you. They were spending a couple nights overnight with teachers, and I was like, look out for the molesters. Oh, man. It looks bad.

And I was like, you know, he's the one you trust. I got.

“I think, I mean, that's a good, I don't think many people think like that.”

You know, I've done a bunch of these now, because it's the thing that I'm most passionate about, because I think you could have a real impact there, unlike politics.

And, um, but everybody always gets mad at the institution that we're talking about.

The church, in that particular instance, that the Christian camp, and they don't, you know, it's like, tear it down and it's like, yeah, let's tear it down, but mostly people have not been caught, and they're just going to flood into the next thing. Yeah. You know, whether that's a daycare or gymnastics or cheerleading camp or boy scouts or whatever

whatever it is. A doctor, pediatrician, a spokesman for a subway company, subway sandwiches, right? And I like that Jared is one of the most perverted people I've ever actually covered. I mean, we interviewed the woman who worked with the FBI to get him on tape. I remember the Jared, the subway guy, right?

And she got him on tape talking about how to groom her own children for him. She wasn't really going to give him her children. She was working with the FBI, but in this is how they do it. Like talk dirty to them, like raise inappropriate subject matters with them so that it will be less jarring when I do it when I get there.

This is how they do it. So this is why, you know, all these leftist, you know, submissions to our children's libraries really do matter and trying to take the guard down on discussing anal sex. It's a no. Yeah.

What are you priming them for? But the Michael Jackson case is very, very compelling because he's one of our greatest stars. We all feel extremely proud of him. Literally everybody who's accused him has had their hand out. So it really complicates it.

Like, is this about money or is it about justice or something terrible that was done? Most of them have grifter parents.

“So you're like, I mean, I think that's why the one criminal case that was brought against”

him in 2005, he was acquitted because the mother of the boy was awful and took the stand and nobody liked her. In 1993, the first case they came out against him, the mother was upset to find out her son had slept in the same bed as Michael Jackson, she was in another room. But suddenly felt a lot better about it when Michael bought her a cardier bracelet.

So that's how these cases have gone.

Like, I love him and I love the music and I want to celebrate him as an American icon. And these people seem griftery versus like the cold hard facts, which include, as I just learned through a cool article, I interviewed the guy wrote it. When they rated Michael Jackson's home in 1993, in connection with the first allegation brought against him, that did not result in criminal charges because the family took a $20

million settlement and went away and wouldn't cooperate with the cops.

But in that case, there was a search warrant for his home. They went into his home and in a locked box in his bedroom found two pedophile books from the Nambla, the North American Man Boy Love Association. It's another word for pedophiles. And they were full of naked pictures of boys, like really graphic naked pictures of boys.

“That's what Michael Jackson had in his own bedroom in a locked file.”

There's no one who's not a pedophile who has that. And one of them had his own handwriting in it, saying something to the effect of what could be more joyful than these beautiful boys. Oh my God. So there's no question he knew.

It was there. He had handled it. He had looked at it. And then there was another boy whose fingerprints were found in Michael Jackson's room on a barely legal, hustler magazine.

And they found the boys, at least two boys fingerprints on it. So at a minimum, Bruce, he was showing porn to boys in his room. Anyway, those are facts that are really tough to deal with. Oh man. Yeah.

Anyway. So that's my name. And the victims come out. Have any of the victims come out? Multiple.

But everyone is compromised.

“For example, the two that were featured in the leaving Neverland documentary that came”

out in 2019 about him. You know, because he had that.

What happened was there was the kid in '93 who took a $20 million settlement and went

away. The kid in 2005 who did wind up in front of the cops, though that wasn't the first move, who had a whole trial, but the mother had taken, like, she was awful and on the stand it made, she was pretty clear, she was a grifter. And so he was acquitted.

And then there were reportedly multiple payouts over the years that he kept quiet. His mother reportedly said to Latoya Jackson, "I've seen the checks. There are a lot of them." There's another report that by Diane Diamond journalist who used to work for Hardcopy that and she was integral to the whole Michael Jackson reveal.

She actually had gotten lots of tips about him, including from Division of Childing Family Services. She kind of broke this whole case, opened back in the '90s. But she had reported that at least 200 million had been paid out by him to keep people quiet. Wow.

Wow.

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That's drinkag1.com/SRS. All right, quick Q&A from my Patreon audience. This is from RM, Megan, do you think anyone including Massey will actually expose the upstean names? Yes, I think Massey will do it.

What do you think happens after he doesn't? I think some people will lose their jobs, and there could be potential prosecutions. I think it'll follow course to what we've seen with the limited disclosure so far, though mostly in the UK.

“What do you think is the best way to seek truth about what is currently going on in the”

world, and how should we protect ourselves from the psychological warfare? I mean, I think we need to elect non-elites. I think we need to elect like the farmers of the world. The people who didn't seek office as soon as they got out of college.

I use that term very loosely because it wasn't. But that's where Wade Robbson and James Safechuk who had been child prodigies around Michael, who had been at a commercial with him, who had won a dance contest, was a local like who danced just like him, and then got folded into his inner circle. They came out after years of defending him.

Wade Robbson took the standard as trial and said absolutely not as a kid.

“James Safechuk, I think, gave a deposition in the case, but didn't take the witness standard”

trial and said absolutely not, never.

Callie Colkan took the standard as trial and said absolutely not, Emmanuel Lewis, who played Webster on a smash series. He didn't take the stamp, but he said, I think, but he says to this day, not a finger, absolutely not. He's never touched me.

Well, so that's four, I just named two out of the four, maintain their stories to this day. There's a third, who's sane. He took the standard and said never, and that guy too, he maintains the story never. So, two of the ones, Safechuk and Robbson, in the 2019 documentary, changed their story

180 and said he was molesting me the whole time. That was three or four years after they had both filed a civil lawsuit against the estate. For money, why do they file a civil lawsuit in 2013 or 14 or 15 in that timeframe?

The estate had started making money again.

It was all but destitute when Michael died.

“He paid out a lot of money, he was in serious debt, his brand was no longer good, people”

were like, oh, you're gross, we believe what's happened. And he really was, the estate was literally valued at zero reports of the use of serious when he died, but the lawyer in whose hands he left the estate management, who's featured in this biopic, Bronca is his name, decided to gamble with a Cirque du Soleil Michael Jackson production and then Michael Jackson, the Broadway musical and both were hits and have been

making real cash. And they realized that there's actually still a market for Michael Jackson. People want to celebrate his music and his dancing and his amazing accomplishments and they're able to do it without thinking about the artist versus the art. And then came the biopic and it's already made almost a billion dollars in a month and

they have around two ready to go. So people are starting to come out of the woodwork with their hands out. A billion dollars in a month? Yes. Holy shit.

Wow, why had no idea any of that was happening? Interesting. Yep.

So yeah, I don't know, to me, the legal stuff is always very interesting and it's, I'd rather

talk about that these days than politics, politics is so depressing, not that that story is uplifting, but at least it's interesting because there's a mystery to solve. About someone we all have feelings about, you know, people, everybody has feeling about Michael Jackson. Yep.

And he's an interesting, fascinating person with a weird, foreign eyelashes, the nose. A couple of minor surgeries. Yeah. But wow. Let me give you an introduction, even though you don't need one.

Ready? Sure. Men Kelly spent 13 years at Fox News and moderated multiple presidential debates, including the first Republican primary debate in 2015. You're the founder of Devil May, Caramedia, and host of the Megan Kelly Show, one of

the top podcasts in the country. Your memoir, "Settle from War," debuted at number one on the New York Times best soloist. Over your career, you've interviewed world leaders, presidents, athletes, entertainers, and some of the most influential figures on the planet from Vladimir Putin, and Benjamin Netanyahu to Donald Trump and Jill Biden.

Similarly, you found yourself at the center of criticism from parts of the conservative media, and even from President Trump himself over your coverage of the growing tensions surrounding Iran and America's roles overseas. Welcome back to the show. Great to be here.

Great to have you. And, you know, everybody gets a gift. Thank you for the last time, vigilance. Yeah, nice. We'll take it.

We'll take it. We'll take it. Thank you very much. Hi, I'm from the children. You're welcome.

Awesome. But yeah, we have a whole, I want to talk about Massey, all the attacks, Trump's done on you. Ben Shapiro, Mark Leven, your best friend. That's the, I have a different name for him.

I heard, micro penis, good one.

“The soldiers are the soldier that got busted with the polymarket stuff, which I think”

he was only, you know, doing what these guys set the example of. The Iran War, can it as oil pivot? Do you know about this? No, what are they doing? They've pivoted away from us.

We'll get into it.

diversify away from us, the petro dollar, lots of shit, AI, Cuba, we'll see what we get into. Okay.

“But first off, what is the, what does that race mean for us?”

I mean, I thought that guy was going to win in a landslide. Yeah, I wasn't surprised, he lost really? Yeah, they just spent so much money to try to defeat him. They spend like 500,000 dollars in these races, if they spend 500, it's a lot.

And this one was 30 million dollars piled against him by the Israel lobby.

The apex literally bragging about it on X. Yeah, yeah, they're really proud of themselves. They got him fired for Israel. I mean, I guess it's not as bad as getting our guys killed for Israel. Well, that's next.

Yeah, it's happening. I wasn't surprised. I think that one's slightly more complicated than somewhat heavy belief, because I do think Trump's been gunning for him for a while, because he hasn't been fully supportive of the Trump agenda.

But the thing that's annoying, even before he crossed Trump on Epstein, which I think is really what did it, he hadn't supported Trump's big, one big, beautiful bill. He doesn't like spending, that's not paid for. The Republican Party used to feel that way, although this whole thing came to life in 2010 called the Tea Party based on exactly that principle, and they used to govern that

way on Team Red, and then once they saw the Democrats getting away with out of pocket spending that wasn't justified or paid for, and this sort of new theory of economics that you could get away with that, they jumped on board fully, because Trump has been the only Republican president since Obama, and he loves to spend. He's just as much of a spender as anybody on the left.

And so now these Republicans and Congress who used to be more like, "Hey, no, no, we have to have justification for it. We have to pay for it." Completely abandoned that, gave Trump his blank checks, where, you

know, we'll never pay off the debt that the country's paying, ever.

Our children, our grandchildren, I don't know what's going to happen. So much more likely, we'll face some sort of a bankruptcy as a country, unless we can somehow get these AI companies to take on our debt, they're the only ones who could afford it. And did you come up with that? Get the AI companies?

My idea. How the hell? Why would they do that? I don't know, because we'll let them develop their product. They're the only ones going to afford it.

They actually could get us out of this jam, and maybe we can use it to at least save America and our balance sheet. But in any event, Massey was one of the guys who held firm on the spending and said, "I'm not voting for spending that's not paid for." You know, that we can't offset some place, there's enough debt.

“And that's why he didn't like the one big, beautiful bill, among other reasons.”

And Trump just can't take any dissension in his ranks. You will be called from the herd. If you cross him on anything, he will not accept dissension. And that's why we have a house that doesn't do anything now. We have a Congress that doesn't check presidential power at all.

Even though they were supposed to be the most powerful branch, not him, that the founders wanted a small presidency, small executive. That's why it's Article 3. And sorry, Article 2, and Congress is one, and so I thought Massey was going to get targeted by Trump.

And then when I saw him push on Epstein, I knew Trump was going to, you know, he was so angry. But the irony of all that is Trump is the one who told us we were going to get disclosure on Epstein. It's really the Trump backers.

Trump didn't make Epstein a huge campaign issue, but he did a little. He definitely made disclosure an issue, whether it was the JFK files or the MLK files or, you know, the UFO files, all that stuff. And Epstein was a huge issue for a core part of Team Red. So, you know, you could argue that Massey was holding Trump to the Trump agenda, not

not bucking.

“See, that's what I don't understand how people don't see it that way.”

And time I blast, Trump, or anybody in his administration, or a pan body, anybody about not releasing those or adapting all the names, all this shit, I get blasted by the Republicans.

So it's always important to ask who you're getting blasted by.

I mean, it could be bots, probably bots, but I can't tell. Oh, if it has anything to do with Israel, it's bots. For sure. But when it comes to, like what you just said, there is, you know, what's core magnet now?

I have no idea. I think I know. Trump has said from the beginning. And it's file supporting Israeli lobby, but I'm in, I have no idea.

But Trump has said from the beginning that he defines what magnet is.

Magga is what I say it is. He has said, and he's not wrong. His moniker, it's his campaign slogan, and all along, he's defined what is and is not Magga, and he told me personally, Magga will feel the way I want them to feel. I'll tell them how to feel about this, that or the other thing, and they will.

And he has been totally right on that. The problem for Trump now is that he has defined Magga literally to those who agree with

“Mark Levin, if you don't agree with Mark Levin, you're not Magga, which means you must”

be a neocon whose main issue is what's in the best interest of Israel. And that defines Magga down to nothing, it's a nub. So what's that? It's not, it's not large, it's not important, it's not cool, it's not appealing to young people, it has no future, much like Mark Levin himself, it's old, it's angry and it's dying.

And so those are the people who, like, the die-hard loyalists who will just feel the way Trump wants them to feel are the ones who are harassing you for saying what you think about Thomas Bassie, they're entitled to their opinion, but they do not represent the Republican party, they don't represent the right, and they definitely don't represent the future. I don't even know what the Republican party is anymore.

Nobody stands up for anything. It's unclear. Not inside all these people I thought were Republicans on the outside are standing up against it, but nobody on the inside is, except the people that are resigning. And, and Bassie, but I mean, I mean, I just, what, what, like, all the Pete Heggseth

fucking went down there to campaign against them? What is that shit? And he forget he started a fucking war? Yeah. That was so highly irregular.

What the fuck was that? Is that even legal? It's legal, but it... This is a military member, you can't be doing shit like that.

“And we have never, like, in modern history, I think, as fair to say, I can't think”

of another example, have we deployed the Secretary of Defense or now war for a specifically

political mission, right, like we've always tried not to do that, because it's important

that our military have the support of all parties, that they not be seen as a politicized group. And I think the Pentagon tried to justify by saying, "Oh, he's going down there and multiple items." You know, it wasn't just to sync Massey.

That's tough to swallow. And it's, it's a, like, so much with the Trump presidency, it's a bridge we shouldn't have crossed. Like, there are certain norms and protocols that are good, that are there for a reason, to maintain some faith and institutions.

And you can make a very strong case that faith in the Department of War is at the top of the list. People need to believe that that's not a corrupt organization or one that only fights for one side of the aisle. And we need to keep the troops out from that kind of scrutiny, too.

And it starts at the top, so it was wrong that they should not have deployed him in the fight against Massey. It's disgusting. I mean, it's just a shitty example for everybody in the military, too, to have the top guy going around and campaigning for people when literally nobody else in the military is allowed

to do that. Yeah. And, you know, how do they feel? I mean, like, I'll, I'll guarantee you the vast majority of the military, if you pull them about, like, whether they wanted Thomas Massey to be reelected or would either have

no opinion, or you'd have left us saying, "Well, I just want them out altogether," because, you know, I'd rather have a Democrat in there. But the right, the right wing of the military is going to be just as divided as those of us were not in the military. So it's like, who are you speaking for?

You know, it's not like something that has popular support within the group he represents. So what does this all mean? I mean, I thought he was going to win. I thought for sure he was going to win, but then he didn't. And there's real body, they bought the election.

So do we even vote anymore? What's the fucking point? It's very hard for me to argue against your cynicism.

“I think not like we have a duty to vote, but like why?”

Yeah, for what? What? What? If they're just going to, I mean, I mean, ideally a candidate will come along who will represent an antidote to the system.

And I know that we thought Trump was that, but like, if you look back, there were a lot of signs that Trump was not going to be that.

The self-dealing that Trump's always done on economic matters, like finances around his

family business, should have telegraphed to us.

I don't think everyone is.

“You know, I do think like Thomas Massey wasn't.”

There are certain people who actually have deep principles and they stand by them and they couldn't be bought and paid for. Now could they win in a presidential election that I don't know, haven't seen that in recent years. But I, you know, for me, I still, and I, the line between left and right is merging.

You know, like, there's, there's something rising out of the middle of that that is, you talk about anti-casparian. Yeah, love it. It's awesome. It's awesome.

I love her. Should I do it too? Well, you know, it's awesome. People think of me as a Republican, but I haven't been a Republican in over 20 years. I was a registered Democrat when I was fresh out of school, and then I was a registered

Republican for a few years when I was like, like, right around when I joined Fox News. And then I quickly realized, like, I don't want to wear either of these team jerseys. I'm against both of these guys, and I registered as an independent, I don't know, it's back at like 2004 or someplace around there, which I have been ever since. And I voted for Dems and Republicans.

So I'm like, I'm, I'm pretty centrist in my politics. How my cultural sensibilities are definitely more on the right these days than they used to be. But I share a lot in common with some of the left. So I think something's coming out of the middle that is going to be the future.

It's going to complicate politics in a really, probably good way, not for the part existing parties. But there will be, as a result of that, emerges, there will be a candidate or more who stand for what's happening there in the middle that's anti-war and pro-America First actually supports American workers and, you know, bringing back manufacturing, doesn't seed, you know,

the job fair to what's happening in China. Like, there's a few issues on which I think we agree, removes culture wars from the discussion. So in other words, the leftists who are there, I'm not trying to cut off the body parts

“of our children and the people who are on the right are willing not to make, you must fight”

with me to stop it as a terms of, you know, whether we can bond together. So I don't know, I mean, I, some of those issues are my pet issues, right?

Like, I, I could never vote for somebody who's going to chop off the body parts of children.

I could never vote for somebody who's voluntarily sterilizing children or supporting it or the boys and girls sports thing, I can't. So I still will vote Republican, but what I'd love to see is a different alternative. And I just think necessity is the mother of all invention and someone will come, whether it's a messy, maybe, you know, we weren't prepared for that, like we didn't have enough

money in the coffers to fight a pack, but we'll get it because their popularity is on the way down. And there is a rising group of political power that opposes them and they're mission. That's why they're in such a panic. That's why we're all getting bothered, you know, but they're not going to win.

That's, that's a lobby. That's, that's bought in paid for lobbyists who buy loser politicians, but the people have out of them. They've, they've been outed for what they do. They're no longer getting ignored, which is great.

And it's been the Democrats who first have realized that they're too dependent on these

groups. And they're too dependent on politicians who just back as real, knee jerk. And the Republicans have been the last to that party, but we're getting there. There's only that one core part of MAGA, which is the Mark Living Party now, the Neocon backmark living generation.

Yeah. That's the only part left that's under, that is pro Israel and doesn't understand what A pack is doing to us. So that's a good thing. That actually lays a pretty good golden path out of this mess.

I mean, I want to talk about some solutions at the end, but I, I don't even, I don't even trust myself to interview any of them anymore after the left. I mean, I interviewed almost everybody in the, not almost, a lot of people. I think it's like nine people that wound up in the administration. Pete got picked five days after my interview.

This is, I, I, I, I just, it's fucking disgusting. I have friends running. Well, let me ask you something like I know, you know, you had Tucker on, he's a friend. I don't think he could be bought in pay for. I, I, I could get behind a tougher presidency.

He doesn't, he doesn't want to run, but I could totally get behind. I just don't think, I think for him, he's got ideological principles on which he will not bend.

“And that you really, you have to find somebody who's like that, who can get backed by people”

with deep pockets who actually don't have an agenda that's different from that person. Mm-hmm.

Like Trump, he took $200 million from Marion Adelson.

You know, I think we took Trump too much at his word on the, I'm not going to start

to any more wars, especially not Middle East wars, especially not one with Iran. We could be here for the next hour running those soundbites. We were two non-sceptical when, when the answers were right there. If you looked at who was backing his campaign, the biggest donor, and she, it wasn't just Marion, there are many who's, you know, he said her loyalty is more to Israel.

Why didn't we pay more attention to that, but like why aren't we blaming ourselves? I don't accept that there's no one we could find who wouldn't be true to the agenda. Here she ran on. I, I'm not quite that cynical yet. I'm not quite that blackpilt.

Well, that's good because I am, but, but I wasn't even talking about President.

I was just, I mean, just somebody running for Congress, Senate, whatever. I even think that President, they were just getting even alive by the machine, but... No, you have plenty of reason to think that. I mean, I think there are maybe as another way out, but it's going to take a lot of organization.

“The, the best way out is to shrink government. That would be the greatest way, just to shrink”

it all down. Stop with the, you know, unitary executive, shrink the president's powers. It's happening, you know, Trump's going to reduce to executive orders only. He's passed no legislation. He got his, one big beautiful bill act passed. He got the Lake and Riley Act passed. And everything he's done with his pen is going to be undone by the next Democrat

to take over. Even if you got rid of the filibuster, okay, get rid of the filibuster. That's all going to change as soon as the Democrats take power. All those non filibustered bills are just going to get reversed by the next Democrat Congress and President. So in a way, they're all shrinking themselves and how much they matter, which is great. Is there anyone sitting around thinking, if only we could have more government, well,

leftists. Oh, no, it's no same person as thinking that. Yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't know what to think anymore. I don't even, I just, I don't even trust my own intuition, what it comes to politics, because I thought things were going to be so different. And I got fucking duped.

Nobody knows anything about anything. It's, it's one of the themes of the year. The thing is like, the Trump thing is so disappointing because he did seem like he was going to be different. You know, he, he was independently wealthy. So there was some reason to believe he wasn't going to need their money or be swayed by it. He's such a fighter and a middle fingers, a walking middle finger. So he kind of felt like maybe he won't do Miriam

“Adelson's bidding and he's too smart for that. Like that's how I saw it. Like there's”

no way he's going to be pressured by a lobby and to reversing himself on one of his top and principal campaign promises. You know, like, it would be the same as continuing Joe Biden's open border policies. Like that's how impossible it seemed that Trump would start a war. And everybody's like, he said Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. He said his defenders. He said that. Iran can't have a nuclear weapon. Yes, he said that Iran was not close to

getting a nuclear weapon. Those are lies. You know, the people who are making that justification for Trump are neocons, who just, they're, they believe in a very hawkish foreign policy. That's fine. They're entitled to their belief, but don't expect me to believe your lie because we saw the intelligence assessment right before we launched the war saying they're nowhere near a nuclear weapon. So just stop, okay? Stop. Don't tell me to trust the system

that they're about to have, when the system has told us, you're wrong. Your intel is wrong. And that's, that's free the June strike. Like post the June strike, Trump is the one who told us he obliterated their nuclear weapons facilities. Pete Hexeth told us that. And now we're

“not allowed to believe that or we're anti-Semites. And I believe them the first time. I actually”

believe them that we obliterated and repeated it and defended them when others said it was bullshit. So, fuck you for telling me, I'm no longer allowed to believe that. You're the ones who told me that. Man, it's emraging. It is emraging. It is, because it's like, who's going to be stuck with this bill? Our kids, our kids are going to be stuck with this. And now look at the, say to the Middle East now, look what's happening in the street. You know, it's like, I go with, by the people around me

first of all, like, my friend and hairstyle is Sarah, who I love. She's like, I am sick of talking

about the street of Hormuth. Because she's a normal person. She is worried. She's like, I have a good

Like, that's what a normal person sounds like. But what's happening in the street is causing some

of those problems that she's having. And because of Trump now, we are forced to think about the street of Hormuths, which is in worse shape now than ever, because there's no way we're emerging from this without Iran's somewhat in charge of it. There's no way. I'm scared to death that the US dollar is going to be thrown off the world reserve currency. I don't even really know what that

“looks like if it does, but it's not going to be good. And that's what seems to be happening”

in from my perspective. I mean, they're hitting all the infrastructure of our allies that reinvest all that oil into back into Wall Street. I think it's UAE already said they didn't was at UAE. They already came out and said when we run out of US dollars, we're going to the UN. Yeah. And look at the position that the countries in just, you know, if you just zoom out, where, you know, we are swimming in debt. We have no plan to pay it off. We don't even have any means

to pay it off other than possibly my idea. And China is growing at a rate that's something like 10 times the American growth rate. And we are facilitating it for them.

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every day of heads of state looking at each other dawn. We don't have to put up with this shed. These people of weaponizers are dollar, the tariffs, the sanctions, all that. We don't have to deal with this shed anymore. And it's happening. Bricks is growing. Bricks is growing. I wanted to wait and talk about this shed with Canada, but I was this popped up on my radar the other day.

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So now Canada is pivoted, and here's the timeline. As I said, Biden cancel, the Biden, Biden canceled the Keystone Pipeline in January of 21, 25, 25% on tariffs on Canada,

Then we blame them for the fentanyl crisis. Then we raise the tariffs to 35%.

“Then we threaten them with a hundred percent tariff if they do deals with China. And it's like,”

we're just this crazy, fucking schizophrenic country. And so now Trump is threatening them with a hundred percent tariffs to do deals with China, but the previous administration didn't even put the pipeline down here. So we're punishing them for our own fucking dealings. Yeah, I mean the whole world, and we're doing this shit all over the world. We look like bullies. We look like fucking schizophrenic idiots now.

I can defend the fentanyl thing from Canada, because I will say, once we did a better job of enforcing the border down south, there are several reports that they started boat loading it up to Canada and getting it in from our evil top hat to the north as Michael Null's calls it. But yeah, the tariff regime and the oil regime, Trump's been all over the board on that, all over the board on that. And his tariff scheme was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court,

because it's attacks. Taxes have to go through Canada. So I said, if you go through Congress, and he said he'd save it by finding another way, but he's only found one marginal way. And now we have to pay back all this money to these entities that we taxed through his tariffs that he didn't have the right to do. The Arabs along the Middle East, the Gulf Arab states, we promise them protection if we could build our military bases in their countries, and then

we didn't provide it. We didn't consult them before we began this war. We let them get bombed. We haven't been particularly protective of them. Nor do we have the military resources to do it. We don't have any more interceptors or any meaningful amount of interceptors. Meanwhile,

they've rebooted their drones, and their $20,000 drones can take out our $2 to $4 million

interceptors. Terrifyingly, easily, we don't seem to have a plan for that other than the President's son has a company that's now petagon contracts. So it's, you know, there's not a lot of feel great about if you're a Gulf Arab friend of ours, because you're really in a tough position. Now Iran's going to have control of this straight. President Trump is saying, no, they're not. And the only real way we have of getting out of it seems to be to refill their coffers with money

that's been sanctioned and on hold, you know, that we have control of Iranian money. So they're going to get richer one way or another. And then on Friday, you had President Trump saying, no, we're, you know, they're not going to have control of this straight. And somebody says, what about Oman? Which is one of the proposals this man that Iran and Oman, which are the two countries that board of the straight, will have some sort of agreed deal,

“or they manage the traffic that goes through in some way. Now to toll, that's what they want.”

We don't want to toll, but something where they manage it. Basically, where they get enriched

and Trump said, they'll go along or they'll get bombed too. Now we're going to bomb Oman, which is a U.S. ally with which we cooperate on many international things. But now we're going to bomb them next. Like, do they have a nuclear weapon? But why are we going to bomb Oman? Or is that loose talk? And what's that? Like, that's what we're going to, because that's a friend of ours. So, you know, we really are sending a message across the board now, but especially

to those Gulf Arab states, like, we don't really care about you. Do we have any friends left? Israel? Other than... Israel's really happy with President Trump. Really happy. He's got a 99% approval rating over there. Yeah. Maybe he'll get the fuck out of here and move. But I mean, what's a friend? What's an ally? It's somebody who actually cares about your interests as well, or who will at least cooperate with you to advance your interests. That's certainly

“what we've done for Israel. What have they done for us? How is any of this in our interests?”

I'm going to be honest. I feel like the United States is just a fucking calpaster full of cattle for Israel. We fight their wars. We die for their wars. We pay for their iron dome. We pay for pretty much all their missile defense. Made a leopard and a list out of all the shit they get. But it must be long. It is. And depressing. Just like everything else. But yeah, US taxpayers

funded defense were America pays for. I love clawed by the way. But yeah, annual military aid 3.8 billion,

foreign military financing and 5 billion dedicated to missile defense systems.

“covers the iron dome, David slaying arrow 2, arrow 3, and iron beam laser defense. The US”

has been a co-production partner on the iron dome since 2024. That's 500 a year, 500 million a year for that post October 7th emergency packages. $16.3 billion in two years. Total aid since 1943 300 billion. Send all this fucking money over there. They get universal health care for education, subsidized universities, monthly child allowances, unemployment benefits, national pension, disability benefits, maternity benefits, and housing subsidies. We don't get half the shit.

Just think about that 16 billion. And this war has cost at least 30 billion. I think it's more

than that. But the administration, like a month ago, estimated 25 billion. So it's more than that.

Now, even by their estimate. But it's up there. In 2010, President Obama shoved Obama care down our throats. The first time ever we'd had a massive entitlement past without majority support of the people. It was worth 1/6 of the US economy. It was shoved through without majority support. If you're like your doctor, you can keep them like your plan. You can keep it. Those

“relies. People died. And the only way they managed to actually sell it to the American public”

somewhat or prevent revolt was to say, you're going to get pre-existing conditions covered. And your premiums are not going to go out. We're going to handle your premiums. Don't worry. Well, that was an impossibility all along. How can you get all the pre-existing conditions covered? And premiums aren't going to go out. That doesn't make any sense. And of course, it didn't make sense. The only way they could do it was with government subsidies. So they passed in the law,

mandatory subsidies to all these people who were going to get financially hurt by this new terrible program. And the subsidies happen and end date. And the Democrats have been saying, because they would like to have their terrible bill. And you know, they still want it to be covered out. How awful it was. They want the subsidies to continue because the jig is up. Once the American public actually feels the pain of those subsidies being gone. And the Republicans

said no, they're going to be the fiscal irresponsible ones now. And the Democrats said, this is just recently, it's only going to take $30 billion. But we need to do this for an already suffering

“public. And look, Sean, the truth is, even though I hate Obama care and worked very hard to stop it”

from passing back in the 08 to 10 timeframe, these Americans, it's not their fault. They didn't want it. It was shoved down their throat by Obama. They're suffering. They can't afford it. They can't afford groceries. They can't afford gas prices. They can't afford homes. They can't afford health care.

And we're giving 16.2 billion to Israel for just one of those line items. Never

mind what we spent on this Israel's war against Iran, which no one wants, no one, the poll numbers on that are over 70% against. And we're not going to help our own people. Those Obamacare subsidized consumers are going to suffer because we have other priorities. It's in raging. I know I just feel stuck. I mean, they're buying our elections. How do we get out from under this shit? Well, is it almost over? Is it going to die with the baby boomer generation? I mean,

Gen Z is 85% against Israel. These are all good things. I have nothing against Israel as a country. I don't have anything against the people. But the government has definitely been taking advantage of us. And we've been allowing it, really. And sometimes I do worry. Like we shouldn't use Israel as a proxy to hide our anger at Trump. You know, President Trump's the one who made the call. And this has been going on for a long, fucking time. I agree. But I'm just saying like

Netanyahu made an argument that he thought was in favor of his country. That's fine. That's him looking out for his country. Why didn't our president look out for ours? You know what? Why didn't we say we get it? Just like Obama reportedly said to Netanyahu, we get it. But no. And many presidents before him in the modern era who have been the victims of this dog and pony show by Israel. And I've said, it's a no. You know, that Trump wasn't the first to on whom they tried this.

So I do think it's important to remember Trump has agency and Trump is in charge of the U.S. military.

And I think Trump is regretting it, might only now. But, but what you're saying is regretting it. Yes, but hold that point. Hold that thought, because I do want to come back to that. All the stuff you just said is why we should feel optimistic. Like, if you go to the doctor tomorrow and you find out, you have cancer. You might feel sad, but it's actually a good day because you found out about cancer. And it's better to know so you can do something about it. The reality was the same yesterday,

today and tomorrow. You have cancer. But after knowing it, you're in a better position to improve your

“life and to make real changes. That's how I see this whole problem with Israel. We didn't”

understand this on the left or the right about how much influence Israel had over American politics. Some did. Some, when Greenwald has been like sounding the alarm on this forever, as have people like Anna Kasperian. But like, Jen Queeger, but it's, it's been a smaller group. This wasn't something that was either known or accepted. I guess might be the better word by both parties in America. And it is now. That doesn't mean they're not going to still win some battles, especially on

Republican elections because Republicans are still close to this lobby and in bed with them,

financially. But this is the beginning of the end of that. The incredible response to 107,

what Israel did in carpet bombing Gaza, and now be root, by the way. And getting America, actually getting America into a new Middle East war, leading our soldiers to be killed, endangering another generation. This is going to be held against them. The Americans are awake. Now, on the issue of Israel, your truly included in a way we weren't the day before.

“So that's the good news. On the subject of Trump regretting this, I do. I think he regrets it.”

Very much. What do you think that? Because he's not dumb. And he knows it's crushing him. It's crushing his numbers. Whenever you ever seen Trump exposed to bad polls, not come out and attack the polls. Why isn't he doing that? Because it's every poll. It's every poll. Left, right, center. There hasn't been one poll that's good for him other than one CNN survey of core MAGA voters early on in the war who said they were all 100% with Trump.

Well, MAGA is basically defined as your pro-Trump. So of course, they're going to go along with

Trump. But if MAGA is shrinking at best, it's 19% of the electorate. And other Republican party. And so it's shrinking. It's shrinking in relevance. And the rest of the Republican party

“is having real doubts about this war. And of course, the left started against it. So I think Trump”

is looking at his poll numbers. Any understands that not only is he, we have a 70% disapproval rating on this war and climbing. But it's driven down his approval ratings on the things that really do get people elected like inflation in the economy. It's caused inflation. We can all see that

for the first time last month. We saw the cost of living, like the cost of wages increase,

was lower than the increase in inflation. One was 3.6%, one was 3.8%. So people's paychecks are literally no longer keeping up with the rises in inflation. And his approval ratings have a corresponding dip. He is way underwater on his economic approval numbers when it comes to the overall economy and certainly on inflation with everyone. He's all the Hispanics who came to Team Trump in 2024 are gone. Not only are they, they're not ambivalent. They are saying that they're going to vote

for the Democrats. They are deeply disappointed in him. The really fucking gone except Fox News, Mark Levin, Benny Johnson and Dan Boncino. Yeah, the white working class leaving. I miss anyone. I mean, Rogan, you, Tucker, Candace, Tim Dylan, all the comedians still bond me. Every big podcast out there is like, fuck you. Yeah, you lied. Fuck you. You betrayed. I mean, I'll tell you, for me, it's been a, it's been a confusing time. It's been a frustrating

time for most of us, I think, but I still support the basic Trump agenda. And I still really have hopes that he will get back to it if or no other reason out of practicality to save

illegal thing. He did close the border and I give him total credit for that. He did fight the gender

war, and he's made a serious difference there. And I'm very grateful to him for that.

“I think those were both pretty low hanging fruit. That's, yeah, I'm out of right. But I would love”

for him to get back to focusing on domestic issues. It's almost like Trump found it's really hard to have an effect on those issues and gave up and said, like, form policy is one area in which a commander and chief can make a real difference, which is true. So I'm just going to focus on that. You know, it's like that little sound bite that leaked over his easter lunch that he had, that wasn't supposed to be put online, but it was for about 15 minutes than the White House

realized and they pulled it down. What was that? He said in that sound bite, there's really not

much the federal government can do to like change life at the local level. They can't really change crime or help you with health insurance, medical care, or like those small issues that actually affect your life in a day-to-day basis. That's really more local government.

“And it was a very controversial statement because he made a bunch of promises that he would”

help people in those lanes, but it also isn't entirely untrue and you can hear it almost as a justification for his foreign adventurism. Like, this is annoying. You know, I actually kind of can't get these illegals out because all these sanctuary cities are protecting them and I haven't found an effective way around them. I've tried to do cleanup in some cities, but most won't let me in when it comes to crime. So what am I really supposed to do? Health care is too big to take on.

I can't make many changes there because I don't have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. Nor do I have even 51 Republicans who would vote to change the rules to get rid of the filibuster. If I wanted that, I know there are a lot of Republicans who are like, get rid of the filibuster. You don't have the votes to do it. You have what some five Republicans who won't vote for it, and no demos are going to vote for it. So you with least need 51 senators to vote to overturn

“the protocol that requires a 60 vote majority to get a vote on legislation. So I think he was feeling”

what else can I do? All I have is these executive orders. I issued all the ones I was interested in at the beginning of the presidency back in February of 25. So what else can I do? Oh, here's something fun. And I think he loves the military tools, toys that he discovered with the Maduro raid and he could have released the Epstein files. That is a mystery to me. I don't believe Trump's in the Epstein files in any meaningful way. I really don't because I think

Joe Biden would have used it or gotten it out there. So why would why, why was he not only, again, he Trump, I did we didn't look at this at the time. He wasn't a huge, I will release the Epstein files guy, but his base was his FBI director and deputy director for the beginning of his term were 100% and his vice president. And his vice president. And his son, like, Trump's circle and the ones who are his campaign surrogates absolutely made a huge deal of

the Epstein files. And Trump got in there and acted like he'd never heard of this before. Like,

what are you even talking about? Who would be talking about Jeffrey Epstein still? Absolutely not. You freaks. You know, like, what? It looked like an invasion of the body snatchers. Like, what do you think you're talking to? This actually is a huge issue that has a lot more to do with, it has to do with a lot more than just Jeffrey Epstein. So it was a similar 180, it felt like one to the Iran thing. Only that one. It's him on camera making the promises over and over and over.

But on Epstein, my, my best guess is it's his friends. It's his donors. He said that didn't he say that to Marge Taylor Green? He had to do anything or he said something along the lines. I don't know what he wanted to do to my friends. Yeah. Well, all your friends are fucking pedophiles. Get rid of them. Right. New friends. None of us gives a shit. Like, we want to see the names. The one good thing we have going for is there is there a lot of

angry people who have just been voted out effectively of the Senate and Congress who have seven months left in office like Massey. Like, there is nothing stopping him from standing on the house floor and revealing to us some of these names. Do you think I'll do it? Yeah, I kind of do. I mean, what does he have to lose? Nothing. His life. I mean, what's going to happen in John Corridon? I don't know. Trump says he's my friend. That's Trump trying to keep him in line

for the next seven months. He's probably feeling pretty bitter about what happened to him. I don't know. There's a few who might, I don't know who that is. Leave with the bang.

down in Texas. But he's been there for multiple terms and he's now in his way out because

Trump backed his opponent who's got a lot of ethical scandals, but who's fresh blood and a little bit more red meat of a Republican than Corridon who was more milk-tosed and little swampy. But who knows? I think the next seven months are going to be kind of interesting. What do you think about all these people resigning? Margie Taylor Green? Joe Ken told Seagabberd. I'm really sad about the MTG one. I wish I had gotten the chance to talk her out of it.

And I know she had good reasons and all that, but I somebody once gave me good advice. And it was, um, don't let your critics bully you out of a job you love.

“And I kind of think she was bullied by Trump out of the role because he really you think that's what happened.”

Kind of. Yeah. Like he was making her life a living hell. She was getting death threats or kids. We're

getting death threats. He was making her the scourge of the Republican Party as opposed to a heroine of it, which she is. Like I, I love her. I was so misled on MTG early on. I had such a different impression of her than I do now. I really admire her. And I wish she were still on the inside because we can't keep losing all our great people. But I knew they there. I thought it was a hell of a statement though. And I was hoping somebody would do it. I was hoping somebody would relink would trade their power

for a statement. Yeah. But like, because I think that's important. I mean, none of these people even have any fucking power. That's the, that's the thing. What's going to seed all the fights? Like, is it better for us that Joe can't is on the outside? Hell no. I don't, I don't know. I disagree.

“I think it is. Why? No, we have no one. Well, we might have, who do you think's going to take?”

It's the best in Gork. But, um, stop it right now. I mean, it doesn't, I don't think it matters. I don't think it matters who's in there anyways. He doesn't take. He doesn't listen to anybody. He doesn't take any, any information. I agree. He doesn't take it. But to, to, to make a better decision. So he might as well just put a bunch of fucking his own puppets in place because that's obviously what they, the, well, the thing I really don't get is why it fired Pam Bondy. That was a great

mouthpiece. Yeah. What happened there? He was reportedly mad that she wasn't in dating more of his enemies. Okay. But there are limits to what lawyers can do. And by the way, the, the claims, the cases that Todd Blanch has started have been quietly falling apart. And some of the ones Pam Bondy started because she was under pressure. Have been falling apart. There's such a thing as, um, malicious prosecution. And if you look like you're doing that, a quirk

and throw out your, your criminal case against somebody. So it's not as easy as Trump thinks, you know, as, as he would like us to believe. And the, and the lawyers who are actually responsible for filing the cases, I think, have realized this. Like, there's a reason Pam Bondy, she, the decent

“lawyer, didn't need your do exactly what he wanted to do on all these people because A, you have to”

have a real crime and B, even if you find one that's nominally ben committed, you can get thrown out. Thanks to malicious prosecution. You know, that's what Komi was going to argue before his case fell apart in a technicality. That's what Kilmar Abrago Garcia, you know, Maryland man, what he argued. Remember, we deported him to the one country he couldn't be deported to. And then there was a judge's order saying, all right, you got to let him back in the country because that's

the one country he had protection from being deported to. And the Trump administration's Trump card was, okay, but bam, we're going to slap him with trafficking charges because he was in a car with no seeds and he was traveling to the border and he was clearly bringing in other people. And we got a witness in the car who's going to back us up. And so sure, welcome back to America, but now you're charged criminally, you know, good luck. That case was just thrown out because a judge

said that this is malicious prosecution. The Trump, it right now is threatening. Reportedly has the DOJ looking into filing charges for perjury against eGene Carroll, the woman who sued Trump civilly for alleged they were swooping her in a burgdorf-goodman dressing room 30 plus years ago. That too is going to get challenged as a malicious prosecution if it's brought because the court can look at the circumstances around the charge. And while I'm maybe she is technically

guilty of perjury in the case, what the allegation is that she testified in the case under oath, she didn't have any outside backing for the case. She wasn't being helped by outsiders.

And the truth is she was backed by Reed Hoffman. And that came out later. So, you know, perjury

cross that hurdle. She's going to argue malicious prosecution that the president himself has made

“clear. He's got an enemy's list. He owes me $86 million in judgments. Well, I think 91, if you”

add the five million plus the 86, that she recovered against him in civil courts. And there's

everybody knows the only one reason why he's coming for me. And she's got a decent chance depending on what judge he gets in front of. So, it's my point of simply, Pam Bondi understood this dynamic. I think better than President Trump, but he wanted what he wanted. You know, and in the same way, like Massey wasn't allowed to be a principled objecter to the spending on the one big, beautiful bill, or the Epstein non-disclosures. She wasn't allowed to say, I don't have it. I tried.

We tried. We appointed that Lindsey Halligan in the one jurisdiction to go after Komi and Latisha James, but it turns out she wasn't appointed properly. And so, those cases fell apart when she got booted from the role. Mr. President, we tried. It's just now. It's not that easy.

“Thankfully, to come up with charges to go after an enemy criminally on. So, that's why”

Pam Bondi's gone. But I really believe it's better for us. I admire Joe Kent, and then grateful that, you know, he made a point when he left of, like, saying why, but I personally would much rather have money inside. I'd much rather have Tulsi Gabbard on the inside. If Tulsi Gabbard hadn't been on the inside, would we have had a public airing of the assessment? Is there nowhere near having a nuclear weapon? You know, if Mark Wayne Mullin had been in that job,

do you think he would have said that? Or do you think he could have been manipulated by the White House before that testimony to say something else? And Joe Kent too, like, I don't know what Joe

Kent has leaked and hasn't leaked. He's never leaked to me. He told me he's never leaked. But

I would say it's not bad to have people in those positions in a, in a, in a position where they could potentially get something out to the media, something that's knowledgeable and informed and real so that we can pursue avenues that the administration won't. That's how the media and the government has worked synergistically since the dawn of time. So, I mean, as a media person, I'd much rather. Again, I'm not accusing Joe, Joe Kent, because I don't know what, but people like that who are

pro-America, America first, and are on the inside and willing to, in their own way, whistle blow, are important to the national dialogue, to the direction of the country. It can change hearts and minds.

“Who do we have now? Well, that's what that's where I just, I don't know. I think my opinion”

differs a little just because I, I don't think it matters who we have now because he's not going to take any information in, in, in, change any decision making. He's going to do whatever he wants to do and if he doesn't like it, then get the fuck out of him and a fire you or shut you up. And so, you know, I think it takes, you know, it's somebody like Joe Kent with his background. It everything that he has actually done for the country. I think that's a big, that's a big

wake-up call. That is a big statement for a guy like that to come out and go, I can't and go to conscious support this shit. Again, I, I love him and I, I appreciate him in both rules, you know, as the sort of righteous, resigner, but I still believe we can't just see the fights. I, I don't, I don't think it's hopeless. They weren't utilizing the asset that he could have been properly. And so it didn't matter that he left. Agreed with the caveats that I just said, you know,

like I, I think there was a way for him to help and for tells me to help. I mean, for sure, she, she did help. And I don't know how we replace her, you know, Reuters is reporting that she was fired. Steve Bannon says she got fired. I've spoken to a source very close to her who says, it's not true. The in fact, they try to convince her to stay. That she genuinely left because her husband has cancer. And she, they're deeply in love and she, let's face it, government sucks.

Like, government service is not fun. And everyone, Dan Bongino was crying on the couch of Fox and

friends. Like, I never could see my wife, people mocked him. But like, I was like, real, because

it is terrible. Like, it's government service sucks. Nobody likes it. You do sit in a window as room. It's a thankless job. You have only one master and it's Trump and he's very difficult to please, you know, portions of the public may love him. But his staffers really go through hell. He is relentless on them. And you don't make a lot of money on top of all that. Like, most of these people could be making a lot of Joe out in the private sector. So it's easy for me to believe that

doing this for, you know, not quite a year and a half. And that's plenty of time in government service.

“I gave, gave a year of my life. And now I want to get back to me. But I don't know.”

Well, I'm in the timing was a little odd, because a week before the report came out that they rated her house or office or something for the JFK files and the MK Ultra files. And then a week later, she was a child. But did you see what happened with that then? She said they didn't. It wasn't true. That was Anna Paulina Luna, who said a bunch of nonsense on a cable news show that she immediately had to retract after she said everyone's jaw slack. You know, she said that

and then immediately Tulsi Gabbard's office came out and said, that's not true. We were not rated

by the CIA. The CIA came in and said, not true. And then she had to take it down. Now, there had

been a report by a CIA whistleblower who testified before Congress that day that did talk about the CIA taking back some 40 boxes of materials from the DNIs office. This group called The Dig that she started that is responsible for unearthing documents around MLK, JFK, MK Ultra, UAPs, you know, from I know as UFOs that the CIA months ago went back and retrieved 40 documents from the DNIs office that it believed were it's and that it didn't want her going through. That did happen. So it's just

mis-presented by Luna as a raid by the CIA that day on Tulsi's office, those pieces were not true. And they were denied by Tulsi's office, like in writing that night. So you know, when we talk about the CIA and what the hell businesses that think it has going into the DNIs office and taking back 40 boxes of stuff, she was reviewing for disclosure us on President Trump's executive order. Like that, sit the fuck down. There's an order that's been given by somebody higher on the

food chain than you. But of course, that's not the way the CIA sees the president and it believes it's operating its own independent fiefdom. If we continue this discussion, I'll be dead by Friday. The CIA is nothing to trifle with. So that it's more complicated, but yeah, she had definitely crossed the CIA in that way. But I mean, it was Trump's executive order that made that

“made her do it, you know, that she was also a staunch staunchly against the Iran war, right?”

That she was selling no more with Iran merch before. The consequence of that was not her termination, I believe. Again, I trust my source who said they tried to convince her to stay. I think the consequence of that was irrelevant's in Trump world. You know, the reports are that he's been far more focused on what Marco Rubio has to say, who, again, is his national security adviser. He's not just Secretary of State, then I'm what tells the cabinet has to say.

And, you know, there's even some reports that he's looking more to Marco than he is to JD, and I don't know where that's true. It could be because I think JD vans is much more of a non-interventionalist and Trump's feeling pretty interventionalist these days and wants to be, he wants sweet enough things. He wants these gummy bears, shove down his throat, he's the lovely taste and sugar instead of cold harsh reality, which is what a president needs to hear. Yeah.

So yeah, it's not going in a great direction in terms of staff. We got a hot question here for you. We had to do with this. We had Claude scraped the internet for

everything happening inside the Trump administration right now. And here's what it came

back with. Tulsi Gabbard is out as DNI is of last Friday. The fourth cabinet official gone after Christi Nome Pam Bondi and Lori Chavez. Trump publicly said she was wrong on Iran weeks before her resignation. Joe Kent has counterterrorism chief resigned in March saying he can not in good conscience back the Iran more in Trump's response was a truth social post bringing up the death of Joe Kent's first life. A Navy technician killed by a suicide bomber in Syria.

One of my really good friends also died in that Scotty words. Meanwhile, Pete Higgs-Seth, he said helped get the job. His survived signal aid, a second signal chat that included his wife in an entire chief of staff team residing. And in IG reports saying he endangered service members. So here's the question. Does she get rolled or was she pushed and why is Higgs-Seth still

“standing when she's not? Well, I think I've answered what I think about whether she got rolled.”

Higgs-Seth is doing exactly what Trump wants him to do. That's why he's still standing.

You know, I responded to this last week in an interview with the Hodge Twins and my right-wing

detractors like the Neocons clipped it to just me ripping on Trump in his marital history as though I just decided to take a gratuitous shot at Trump. It's not what happened. He is in glass house. He is in no position to criticize anyone's marital decisions. And that's on top of the point that what he said is morally wrong. You don't criticize a man whose wife has been killed in service of your administration, Trump 1.0, who served honorably the mother of his children

for four years later, finding love again and finding a stepmom for his two little ones. That's disgusting. What the who would do that? That's a disgusting comment Trump made.

And I was asked to respond to it. That was the response I gave and I'd stand by every word.

“Pete, look, if you want to go through the marriages of the Trump administration, which one”

should be scrutinized, I believe Pete is in love with his wife right now and that he has a good marriage. But as I said when I was defending Pete from that bullshit rape charge that was used to try to sink his nomination, don't marry Pete, but it shouldn't be a disqualifier for this role. But it's fine for Trump because Pete does what he says. And Joe Ken's decision to remarry somebody four years after his wife had passed have been killed in a war that Trump sent her to

that that somehow is something we're supposed to hold against him. Why? Because he was mildly

and respectfully critical of the Iran war. He handled that in an honorable way. And I understand

people are critical of him because they say you should have just quit. You were in service of the president, you don't detract from the commander and chief and I accept those criticisms as valid and in good faith. I don't agree with them in this case, but I don't take them away from the detractors. However, there's absolutely no basis to criticize his moral decisions. So I mean, I agree with the question. The premise of the question is that is there a double standard depending on whether you do

Trump spitting. And the answer is absolutely there is 100%. There's a follow-up. Name the next person you predict that will be out of Trump's administration before the midterms. RFKJ? Really? Maybe. Why do you think that? Because he's dismantling the Maha agenda week by week.

“Trump is. And RFK based on pressure that's being put on him. I think he's a true believer.”

Like the glyphosate, like let's insulate glyphosate from legal liability to some extent and mandate it as a national important fertilizer. Like we can't get rid of it because of national security. What? Wait. All the Maha moms, which is really just like a placeholder for everybody who cares about, you know, chemicals in our food went ballistic. Saying this is a complete betrayal. This is like one of the top items we wanted you to address. You know, this is one of the reasons

why we can't have pasta. Why? We have to soak our fruit in vinegar. No, total betrayal. Marty McCary. Pushed out of the FDA. Why? Why? The reason reportedly is that RJ Reynolds wanted approval of its flavored vape's like berry and like, you know, the fun like Hawaii and punch. And he didn't want to do that because it's a huge issue. Not just for Maha moms, but for moms across the country, but they don't want their 14-year-old being marketed to

with Hawaii and punch vaping because guess what? She'll do it. And it's the same way we didn't want cigarettes advertised toward children. And eventually that wasn't allowed. And he was reportedly under pressure to allow. And he said, no, and the next thing you know, he was no longer working there. Casey means couldn't get confirmed as surgeon general. Thanks to Bill Cassidy who wouldn't let it get out of committee and thankful he's gone. But she was one of the faces of

Maha. She actually is one of the reasons we have Maha. She and her brother, Kelly, who wrote the book Good Energy and started a revolution connected with RFKJ. They connected with Tucker. This whole thing got rolling. We couldn't get hurt. Like surgeon general, I mean, it's kind of important, but it's not like the hat huge. It's kind of just a spokesperson. You know, you're not really doing medicine, but they were like, oh, she's not a practicing doctor. Who gives a shit? You need somebody who's a good

“talker and who who is sensible enough to know what to say. What's the message? What's important?”

Nope, couldn't get her over the finish line because we didn't fight for her. Cassidy's leaving. Can we get her, you know, later? No, we went with somebody else.

So if you're asking me if I have to make a bet, I guess that's what we'll say. Man. And look it. I can't, I couldn't believe the blifesa. There's not just another lie, you know, from the Trump administration that we're going to clean all this shit up. And they said, yeah, it's a national security concern. They labeled fentanyl a national security concern. There's a hundred that's not even a hundred thousand deaths a year. Do you know how many people die a year

from cancer? Oh, I mean, it's a million. 618,000. What? 618,000. A year? I thought it'd be higher than that.

You know where the highest concentration of cancer cases is? In Iowa. That was going to say the Midwest. Do you know where the highest concentration of glyphositis? In Iowa? It's in Iowa. You know this guy running for governor there, Zack, Zach Lam. I don't know him.

“That's one dude. I do like a lot a lot. I think his race is like next week. But.”

Oh, good. Yeah. He's awesome. Talk to it. Like the farming community has been having case after case after case of cancer. They can't even swim in lakes in Iowa because the shit has gotten so bad. Well, there's warning signs in the rivers in the lakes. So you can't go in there. And then you just, and then you just, and then you just find and gave them a immunity. Yeah. Victor Davis Hansen has a walnut, I think, farm in California, northern California. And for

years, it's been telling me the number of family members who have died of cancer, including his own daughter. You who all grew up on the farm. And he said he believed it was because of the chemicals that they sprayed the trees with. And Victor himself came down with cancer this year and has been battling like a lung cancer that's been really tough on him. I love him saying prayers every day for him. But yeah, it's, it's everywhere. And like we're just going to pretend it doesn't

exist and pretend like bear needs our protection, right, which bought me on Santa, like, uh, forgive me, but I don't buy that. They've got more money than God. So it is very frustrating and it does give you the feeling, like, what's going to change? Like, the Maha thing helped really did help get Trump elected. I really thought would get more than just a couple of food dyes out of our food. Did we do that? Maybe those aren't legal.

Those gummy bears. They're supposed to be getting colored with, like, beats now. Whoops. I'm not sure I'll have checked the ingredients. Oh, there's two make corn syrup. Hey, there's nothing in there. There's no bees. There's nothing in there. Good for you. I can tell you that right now. No, canola oil. That's bad. That gives you the bad fat. That's to give you the jiggly cellulite. I'm not claiming to be a child. I'm just telling you, it tastes

fucking amazing. You want the hard fat. But yeah, on that note, let's take a quick break.

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legal system. One good thing to feel good about is the US Supreme Court got six conservatives on there. Sort of. And that's the best it's been in my lifetime. So that's good. That's one branch of government to look it up. Seriously, it's been wonderful. This term to watch so many decisions

“come down the right way. Like, yeah, you go. Go. Usually you have to beg and plead to get the”

five for decisions. And now we've got one despair. So that's positive. They don't always do what

we want them to do. But this is a great court for anybody who's sane. And honestly, like the legal news in general has been our cup runeth over this year. It's just been kind of insane. Like that Alec Murdoch trial, which is now coming back to us again. I don't know if you know about anything

stall word of the community in South Carolina. And he comes from a long line of prosecutors. He wasn't a prosecutor, but he was a well-known lawyer in his community. Long story short, it turned out he was imbezzling from his law firm. He was stealing from his clients. And it was all about to come out. And as an attempt to gain sympathy for himself and prevent further scrutiny from for example, his law firm. He shot and killed his wife and 19 years old shot. I did hear about this.

And just played dumb and called 911 and cried and said, "Oh, I can't believe it. They're dead." Oh, the pop-up got arrested eventually and got convicted. And his conviction was just overturned because the clerk of court, this sweet little southern bail kind of gal, Becky Hill, was manipulating the jury behind the scenes, like saying, "Don't believe him. Look at that body language. The deliberations, these shouldn't take long and more." And even though everybody knows

he did it, it's so clear he did it. He's going to get a new trial. And it was the right decision and it's one of those things that I don't know for me it made me feel proud to be an American because that's our system. We don't say, "We know he did it. Let's move on." Under our system, you have a constitutional right to a fair trial with an impartial jury. And if someone interferes with your right, your verdict will be overthrown and you will be given a second bite

“at the apple. That's what's going to happen in this guy. It's a gift to the media because everybody”

covered this case and it was a fascinating case. There's like so many twists and turns to it.

I've just given you the bottom line and it's going to happen now. It looks like because I don't

think there's a deal to be had here. It could be wrong. The Blake lively Justin Baldoni trial settled because she didn't want to be cross-examine. That was also a fascinating legal drama. The whole Nancy got three missing mom of Savannah was like a page turning mystery that the whole country was riveted by for a good six weeks and then we all had to get back to our real lives because there was no resolution and no progress. But that civil suit that we talked about in the

Michael Jackson case by those two guys who were in the fake documentary from 2019, that's going to be in court. We believe as early as this fall. So there's quite a few things

“like in the pipeline legally and that have been happening in the country that I don't know. I think”

are interesting offers some insights into who we are. And for me as a lawyer, you know, I practice law for almost 10 years. And while there are bad judges and we've seen that especially during the Trump administration with judges who are agenda driven and shouldn't be. To me, I still believe in the law. I still think the law is the one thing that binds us together. The rule of law, even Trump knows it that he can't flout the decisions that are handed down against him. And that's

been good. He actually has been abiding by the rule of law. There hasn't been a constitutional crisis caused by the president. That's for sure. Not yet. So I don't know when I get in a bed at night, Sean and I can't sleep because of what's happening. Politics or policy. Think about Chief Justice John Rhett. No, I don't. But I do think about the courts and the law and still feel optimistic.

Well, that's good. I see MDMA on the list. So I don't know much about it. You know, I've never even

spoke to cigarette. I've certainly never taken a drug for recreation or other purposes. I'd take it like a talent on all that. But I drink alcohol. So that's a drug. But I'm curious. In the field of these drugs, there's MDMA. There's psilocybin. There's ketamine. You tell me, but it seems to me that psilocybin should be the first thing because that's the one role in Griffiths who created the lab at Johns Hopkins University and was like a v guy who said we should give

all this stuff another look just because Timothy Leary decided to lean in a little too hard and Harvard when doing these studies doesn't mean these are bad ideas here. They actually could help

somebody. But he was a big fan of the psilocybin. Talked about it like a game changer. Talked about

is it MDMA or NAA? MDMA. Two M some. So talks about MDMA like it's more of an empathy drug he referred to. Well I think I think the big one right now is eye-be game. Is that the one that Joe Rogan? Yeah, that's right for the vats. Yes. And we just got. I think that one is closest to psilocybin if memory serves from my discussion with Roland, which is a couple years ago, but I'm pretty sure

“that's what he said. So the good thing about eye-be game is all these guys that are coming home with”

a traumatic brain injuries from getting blown up. They're these black splotches in the brain. I think

of them, not all of them, but the vast majority of them they would go. If they didn't have

shrapnel they would go to Stanford get a brain scan and it would show where all the black spots are in the brain. And then they would go down. What are the black spots? That's where the that's where the blast affected the brain. Okay. So it's there's no brain function. And they would go to do eye-be game and then they would fly in that like two days later to do the brain scan and the entire brain was lit up. And the other thing that it's doing is

it is curing addiction immediately. Pretty an opiates alcohol. Pretty much anything but benzos so volumes and acts that that stuff isn't going to be cured. But what it does is it it's an immediate like cure. So it replenishes the receptors in your brain so you don't have the cravings anymore.

“That's like that's how I quit drinking. It's been over four years now.”

It's miraculous. I haven't had a drop. And so... And look at your sticky health. It looks cool. It does look cool. But yeah, I haven't had a drink in over four years now. And it's saving lots of lives and home life. I mean, it did also the impact that it's having on people's spouses and their kids and everybody around them. I think it's changing a lot of lives. I think that's miraculous. And I mean, Kudos to Joe Rogan for getting in front of Trump

and fast tracking it at the White House. That was a good thing Trump did. When I talked to that guy, Roland, the godfather of all this, he was such a proponent. Really thought you should do it under the care of a physician. Like was very against just freeballing it. You know, like I'm just going to buy it and do it my living room. But the one caution he had that stuck with me because I'm in

news. So I always go to the dark place is if you haven't been screened, if you have a history of

schizophrenia in your family, within a second degree relative, he said, you can trip like your schizophrenia. If it's a gene or what it is, and never come back. Like, if you're not under the care of a physician and having a properly screened with psilocybin at least, you take that shit and you might cross over to a psychotic break from which you might not recover. Well, that'll be an interesting turn in life. I mean, a lot of us don't like, I know about my immediate grandparents,

but do you know anything about your great grandfather? They don't know nothing about my great grandparents and what physical ailments they may have had? So it's scary to think like, I could go,

“because I'm kind of tempted the way you talked about psilocybin, which again, I think is the closest”

thing to that I begin. How it gives you a feeling of togetherness of connected purpose, of like diminishing the things that divide us and amplifying things that make us feel out of ourselves and more connected to earth and the great beyond and the belief in what's next and whole, it was very attractive. That's who wouldn't want to feel all that stuff. But I, you know, don't want to turn into a serial killer after I leave the office. I'm not heard that, I'm not heard

that ever, but I do MDMA therapy with my wife and it's fucking amazing. So how often do you do it?

Well, we were doing it maybe once a quarter for a while. We haven't been doing it that long, a little over here and then, but what it does is, like you're able to send and receive information without, without feeling any resentment or you just, you know it's coming from a loving place. So you can receive it and know that it is meant for good and it's coming from a loving place without being like, I don't fucking do that. You know, you have your big talks? Oh, yeah.

“After that? Yeah. Oh. During it. During it. Wow. How long is it last? Like a few hours?”

Yeah, maybe four or five, six hours. So do you just like make the list the MDMA list? Like we're going to, let's table that until we get to the. No, no, no, no, we'll do it. But it, it's stuff that, it's stuff that you might not even really know that is bothering you about your husband or your wife or whoever and it'll all just come up. It'll all start coming out. And so you'll learn things about yourself that you're doing, that I know the shit out of your husband or her, your kids or

parenting issues. It's not addictive. Like, ketamine is addictive. That's what took

“Matthew Perry. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. We're not addicted to it. No, I think they think they say”

it's not addictive. Oh, MDMA. Yeah. I'm pretty sure don't, you know, check me on that. But I think Roland said the one that's addictive is the ketamine has to be careful with that one. I've not done any ketamine. But and then we don't do it much anymore because not as much stuff was coming up. About the last one we did, we didn't know them were like, I'm up. And so we're like, is it MDMA, X to C? Yes. I thought that was a sexual drug. You know, like, you take it and

you go nuts for each other. Well, I've never heard it. That happened, too. Okay. So, but you get the

you can get the loving nonjudgment until everything's coming from a good place feeling right after you have sex, too. You can get away with anything in that moment. But I'm, I'm being seriously it is, um, I think everybody should do it. I know, I don't think I'd take anything from Mexico. No offense to our friend south of the border, but no, no. No. I would not drink the water. I'd be worried about having it to Molly, and I certainly wouldn't don't want to drug from Mexico.

Well, for the eye began, for example, you're in a facility. You're hooked up to a heart rate

“monitor. Okay. Like, they have doctors on staff. Is there an American there?”

Canadians. Okay. No offense to the Mexican people. But like, I, you know, there's some sketchy things south of the border. It's like where people go for their bad plastic surgery and it's some bad things happen. I don't know. I mean, if you get cancer, you sure as hell aren't going to get a cure at it, but then they US. Well, that's the thing. The stem cells, so many people are going out of the country now for all that stuff. Everybody's passing us up, man. I know we have so much

regulation here. That's all we want to do is regulate people out of existence, stifle, while the man makes money off of it's all. What about the AI stuff? Are you worried about that? Yeah. Yeah. What are you worried about? I'm worried that Elon says no one should start a retirement fund because we're not going to need it. As in we're no longer going to be here. I do worry about super intelligence and the machines somehow taking over.

I'm very worried for our children and their ability to get meaningful jobs. I mean, it's like white collar jobs have been all wiped out potentially by this thing. Like, if you look at the people who are in the know and what they forecast. Like, when I got at a law school, I spent,

you know, as I said, nine and a half years practicing law, the first three or four of it

is no longer necessary. You can all be done by a computer. When you're doing legal research,

“you're calling through cases. You know, you're looking at documents. That's what a, you know,”

junior litigator does. That job's no longer necessary. You, I, a friend of mine just went in for, or was going in for, I said, gallbladder surgery was some sort of surgery and he was given the option a human or a machine. Really? Yeah. What did he pick? He picked a human. Did he really? Yeah, but the machine was cheaper. Then my own doctor told me that he got a colonoscopy that was reviewed only by a machine and he loved it. Like, he came back right away and they thought it was higher

accuracy and then a different doctor told me that many people have wound up with cancer doing it that way. Those machines aren't as full proof as we've been led to police. So it's like more and more we're going to turn ourselves over to him. And I have to say I'm very excited by some of the medical breakthroughs. I genuinely am starting to believe that if we can just live in other 10 years, we might not die. We're all going to be Brian Johnson. Like, every day you see something like

holy shit they figured out what causes aging and they're working on a pill to stop it. Like, we might not have to age anymore. So if we can just hold on, you could just stay out of the sun for 10 more years. It seems like every form of cancer, my, my doctor when he told me about the, um, MRNA vaccines during COVID. I'm like another very controversial. So what people are saying and he said, one day they're going to cure cancer. So like at some point you're going to be faced with a decision

about whether to take them or not. And I'm like, well, preventing COVID is one thing. You tell me it's going to protect me from getting pancreatic cancer. I may pay more attention. But it's already happening. I don't know about that. I'm not endorsing that technology. I'm just saying every day you

see a new amazing development like, you know, longer have to have melanoma potentially or pancreatic

cancer or glioblastomas, like every day we're getting. So that is all linked to AI and it's very exciting. It would suck to survive every form of cancer and heart attack only to get nuked by a machine that's figured out access to the codes and doesn't want us around because it knows it could

going to get super intelligent and we're going to be sorry that we unleashed that with that more

“thought. But my immediate worry is about the children. You need purpose in life. You need something”

to get up and do every day. Cannot live an idol life and be happy in my view. You can retire after a lifetime of professional contributions or otherwise and be happy. But I just don't think you can live your whole life at the way they used to back in, you know, the 1800s as a gentleman and be a fulfilled person. And what were they getting their money in this scenario? From the government, from andthropic, from an open AI, Sam Altman is going to have to do it out like the communist

government to them. Is that how that's that'll be meaningful? That's going to work out well for us. Do you think that's where this has had it? Yeah. How could it not be? All the white-collar jobs are going away. No, I see it. It scares a shout out of me. I think this will all be replaced. We're not doing really anything to stop it. Even President Trump's meeting with Sheet, they talked about it a little, but it wasn't a big agenda item. Right now we're in a nuclear arms race with other

countries, especially China, to see who can dominate AI the fastest. You know, there was a story, it was highlighted in that movie. It's on digital, whatever one of those apps that we all have on.

You never know where you see anything anymore. It's like, I don't know. If you go through,

“you have to go Netflix and Amazon Prime figured out where you watched it, but it's called the AI”

doc. It's very well done. And there was a story in there where, I'm pretty sure that's where I saw this, where the AI creator was going to shut down the program. And the long story short, he was threatened by the AI that if he did shut it down, the computer was going to tell everybody about the affair he had on his wife, which it knew about because it had access to emails. I mean, shit. That's dark shit. Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos, you know, the one prick in the

finger, and I can tell you everything about you, which was a fraud and she's in jail serving in 9 or 10

years since. She tweeted out, you can tweet from prison. She actually just followed me. I might

have a relationship with Elizabeth Holmes. Now I don't know. She tweeted out, delete all of your emails, delete all of your photographs, including your hidden photos, delete all of your medical records that are online, delete everything within the next few years, because that's the window you have before it will all be spilled onto the internet by AI that will access everything. I don't disagree with that. I think that all the time now. I think this is more of a

biblical thing, but personally. So does the pope. You saw he just issued some 40,000 word in cyclical against AI, reminding people that while they can do all these things, they're not real. They're not human. They don't have emotions. They don't really even have ethical judgments. They have some programming on ethics, like if you're an automated car and you're driving down the street, there's a woman with a baby stroller in front of you and on the sidewalk, there are

“two little children. You have to make a decision about which one you're going to hit. If you're”

you're like, yeah, be hard enough for an actual human to make that call. Someone's actually got to program that stuff into an AI, but that doesn't make it human. It makes it a machine that may or may not take direction from a human. It's just, what are we creating when we take a heart and soul out of our society? It's like the GLP One Drugs. You don't like the GLP One Drugs. I do like the GLP One Drugs. You do? I don't like looking at an interactive people all day.

I appreciate that everybody's looking thin and we're just so morbidly obese. It's gross. Look how we were in 1908. We were thin and we were fashionable and we cared how we looked to the outside world and we weren't these sugar junkies and it was just we were living cleaner. And now, just like the morbid obesity and people sitting on their couch all day shoving process food, that's terrible. Terrible for them. It's terrible spiritually. So I like them. I like them,

but and they're helping people curb drinking and other. But there are more and more reports about how for some, they're killing ambition. They're killing excitement. Love of life drive. You know, because it's the way I guess they work as they work on some receptor in the brain that drives you toward whatever, I don't know if the word is addiction or drives you toward like

You know, that that could be the thing that makes you stay at the office late because

you want money and you want to get a hand drive or you want a pat on the head and you want to get it. Whatever it is, I'm against taking away ambition. So AI is that on steroids. You know, longer-needed. There's some jobs that it can't do. I don't think it can do trades. It can't do this job.

“You don't think so. I don't think it can be a reporter. I don't. I think it could like imitate”

social commentary or media commentary. But what is a real reporter Jo, you probably have forgotten because so few do it. But a real reporter spends his or her day on the phones or going door to door and gathering information. Like, hi, I'm Megan Kelly. I'd love to talk to you about the bus crash that happened. Were you a witness? What did you see? Is it as the driver said?

Who is where? Is it true that this happened? What did you see? You were on the bus? What was your

perspective? AI cannot do that. A big part of it is human connection convincing a source. You're trustworthy and to trust you with the story, you know. I don't think it will have to because there's cameras everywhere in every call. Well, let's look at Edward Snowden. He why did he disclose what he disclosed? Why did he choose Glenn Greenwald to talk to? He trusted him. He read his articles. He thought this is a good person. I can bring my story to and did. I just think the

nature of true reporting, which is very personal and all-day shoe leather efforts between humans to lead to information. And then the writing of the story, yes, that could be offloaded to a machine, but gathering and information is intimately human. And there are some other professions where you could make the case that humans are necessary. Obviously, the trades, yes, like plumbing and each back and, you know, the construction work on the road, you know, thank God that will stick

around that's good. But it's not good for society to lose all the white collar jobs. People have white collar jobs are not bad. They're doing the same thing. They're working hard to put meals on the table and give themselves a sense of purpose and a reason to get up the morning. It's not good to be idle again. And then we shouldn't be encouraging anything that's going to

“make us more so. You don't think something will come out of all this. I think something has to come”

out of all. I mean, I'm worried. I'm worried about it. I do worry about it. What on the other hand, I see like top performers are the ones sticking around and as a business owner, I really appreciate top performers. These people that do have drive are learning AI and they're doing the work of 20 fucking people. And the people that don't have the drive are not going to cut it. But there are so many people who have drive and are good at what they do, but their jobs just being wiped out

is unnecessary now. Like in the financial field, there have been some alarm bells signed by bank execs saying, oh my god, the AI can do the work of 2,000 people. They're going to be mass layoffs. Like we are at the beginning of something far more profound than the industrial revolution. Here's the shit out of me. I've just had lunch with one of the main guys behind one of these big major companies here. And I was like, what are you doing in town? And he said,

I'm looking for bunkers. I'm here to look at a bunker. And I was like, what are you looking at a bunker for? I know. And he's like, the shit is going to be good. He goes all these layoffs you're saying.

“It's going to be over a million by the end of the year. I believe it. And we're, you know,”

it's bothering me is we're rushing into it without thinking, without disclosure. You know, the average American doesn't understand any of this. They're living their lives. They have other things to think about. They're worried about their kids.

We're about getting a home, maybe possibly taking a vacation this year for the first time in several

years. They're not like, what documentary can I watch on? One of my many apps that I can't afford. You know, these are luxury problems. And they're just going to wake up one day. And yeah, there's going to be riots or there's going to be mass dissension or you're going to need a bunker. And they can't even afford an apartment in the Bronx. So it's, we're not thinking about it. This is not been offered to the public. I was like, let's vote on it. And you saw this year

of the graduation ceremonies. How many people got booed when they mentioned Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google. He was at one university, but it wasn't just him. And mentioned how AI is the way of the future. They openly booed really young people know. They know what we're about to do to them. Thoughtlessly. I'm glad to worry about this. We knew we were going to have jobs in some way, shape or form might not be the greatest job might not be the job that you want. But like,

we are going to eliminate some huge portion of jobs that will not be subsidized by what's available

industry that eliminated their chosen profession. Nor are young people going to want to go work

for Sam fucking Altman. Hard no. So we thoughtlessly run into this as the next greatest thing as though it's like, you know, penicillin or like the polio vaccine. And it's so much more complex and dangerous than that. Well, what do we do though? I mean, if we... We have to make a decision. We have to make a decision. We have to make a decision. There's the entire fucking world off. We've pissed Canada off. We've pissed Europe off. Asia hates us. Middle East hates us. Maybe

we got some allies in South America and Israel. Yeah. So if they're all working on AI in China, Mayor may not be ahead of us. So, and she's already said, whoever wants the AI race will achieve global domination, right? So what do we do? I don't know. But I know that if we don't do something within the next year, it's too late. If we stop, then I'll be more... We're safe. We're already done. The bad guys. Yeah, I know. Which is why you have things like summits where you try to

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“Welcome to Hollywood vs. Reality. They do it, right?”

What does he do in the movies? Tell me if I'm doing this rock, because I don't watch it. A little flick like that, right? Seems pretty cool. It is pretty cool. Got a silence in. In another lifetime, I did gun reviews for a living, proprietary magazines. It's supposedly the best engineering in the world. When that breaks, you're, and now we're bringing it back.

It does look pretty cool. I got it met that.

You know, so, I don't think we look at it and say it's really hard problem. Okay, never mind.

Bye. We're going to have to try. Elon's been jumping up and down about it for a while now. What's he saying? He's worried. This is one of the reasons why he says he went after Sam Altman, because what he did at OpenAI and then Enthropic was the product of people who left OpenAI. He's worried and he's been trying to say this needs to be addressed. No one's been really listening to him. The problem is on there's too much money in it. It's like,

just started off with like, here's half a billion dollars Sam Altman. See what you can do.

“I think Elon invested 32 million. Something relatively low for Elon. Now, everyone's in on it.”

Of course, Microsoft then swooped in when Sam was leaving OpenAI and said, here's half a billion.

But now it's multiple billions into each AI company like double digit or triple digit billions. And that's from all of the big tech companies into all of the AI companies, which is now we're talking potentially a trillion dollars into AI. And what is that going to get you way more AI? Way more AI on steroids. So great. We're going to secure pancreatic cancer and then get killed by the machine or we're going to get we're going to cure melanoma and then no one has jobs and there's going to be civil unrest and

already aren't because of the damn phones and the the general or industry. That too. But I think

there's a general malaise that comes from your phone. Like, just take all the shit off of

“there and go old school. I just we were already surrendering like, why aren't the young people having sex?”

Why aren't they drinking? I'm sorry, but it's like, booze is bad for you. I'm not trying to argue otherwise, but like there should be some debauchery when you're young. There should be some some risk taking they're not even getting driver's licenses. Screen time. They're not dating. Forget sex takes sex out of it. They're not dating. They're not like taking a shot at a girl in a bar anymore. They're they're just like on their devices alone at home. And now there's talk about

the future is going to have your AI avatar speaking to her AI avatar and they're just going to do

it. Like, figure out whether you're compatible and then they'll get back to you about whether you're trying. Yeah. That's that's the thing that we're going from online dating to actually just online period. You're not involved. They'll get back to you on whether this is your future mate like the Chinese parent like an arranged situation by your AI avatar. This is so this is why the pope issued the encyclical. This is not living. Living is heart and soul and

tears, broken hearts, uplifted hearts, you know, mad passionate love affairs that end disasterously and then not like it's it's taking risks in failing and feeling bad about yourself. Only to overcome them and then feeling triumphant. It's about the glorious feeling of accomplishment that's built day after day of expanding yourself at a job that's well done. It's definitely not sending your damn avatar out there to do all the fun things for you. I'm not even heard of that. Wow.

Yeah. It's not good. Wow. And by the way, the bunker is pointless. That'll buy you like a week. I love the bunker. Like all these rich people think that these bunkers are going to save them. They're not. Don't waste your money. Just tell me where it is so I know where to go. I actually know I'm, you know, I've got a friend who's got like this sick bunker and he showed it to me. It's got everything in there. It's got everything. It's even got a shooting range

but no food. No food. Like you'll be dead in three days. If we're got something important. Damn. Yeah. A lot of people are looking at him now. My buddy that was down here, I was just like,

“wow. And that's what he said. He said it's going to create the biggest wealth gap that he's”

we can't even value them. How sick is that? Just the thought of that. I mean, like, so the rich people, it's like it's a Titanic. All the rich people get to survive. But the steerage is going to have to go down with a ship. Can we do you have any proposed solutions? We need to slow it down. And not only that, there, I think there's going to have to be a covenant amongst humanity that we're not going

to use it or we're going to prioritize human product. I see in the future everything that's AI will have to be labeled as such. We're not going to live in this weird world where it's confusing to us. We don't know whether it's a real video or image or not. Eventually, there's going to have to be a law that requires the disclosure of whether it's AI or real because it's just already getting to ubiquitous. And I think there's going to be sort of like the modern-day

omnisch, but it'll be much more widespread where we just choose to be a lot of it's like we, in the way we say bi-American, it's going to be like bi-human.

“That's what I think is going to happen. Made in the USA, made bi-human.”

Made bi-human. It's like my husband is an author. He's a writer and he's right fiction. Now he does non-fiction. By the way, he should all buy the lost empire of a manual Nobel. It's a great story. He just hit the New York Times by selling less too. But it's a great story about the sky. He was part of the Nobel family, like from the prizes who built the Russian

oil industry just basically himself. And nobody knows his name. And the reason they don't know his

name is because of another guy named Joseph Stalin and the clash of those two titans is the story. Oh, that's really good. Lost empire of a manual Nobel by Doug Brum. But my point is simply that was written by a human. My husband had to go. He actually looked in archives like overseas in places like Sweden and in his earlier book in Germany. Right now in AI, I can't do that because you had to go into a basement and look at dusty files that people hadn't seen

that haven't been categorized and uploaded anywhere. That's great.

outed as AI after one in a ward and they had to take the award away because it was written by a

damn computer. But there's going to have to be a decision. Do I want to buy an actual Harlan Kobin novel that takes me through twists and turns of a crime or do I want to buy one that was as good potentially. That was written by an AI. But as a company, it's going to go line the pockets again of like some rich fat cat executive who's got a who's a trillion air now already like many times over potentially in this scenario. We have to come up with there's going to have to be human

covenants, you know, do I maybe I go with the law firm that only uses humans and not AI. Although

“that's I think it through that's not going to work because they have to compete against other”

law firms that may be doing it better. You know, the AI that the reports by like some of these

banking executives is not only is it doing a better than humans, it's doing it way better. Like you would be at a competitive disadvantage if you didn't use it. But in the creative arts, justine Bateman of family ties, you know, we were growing up in the sister of Jason Bateman. She's an actress and a director and she's been making a big push already in Hollywood for this. Like a movie company that only makes movie with actual actors and actresses and tech staff

and not AI because it's so easy in the creative visual arts to use AI. You know, there's no such thing as a graphic designer within a year. It may already be there. So it's going to come down to human preference. It's interesting. I mean, humanity has a choice to make, but usually we choose the wrong thing. I've a look at social media. It's destroying. It's destroying kids minds. And my mind and your mind and everybody that's on it. And but we still fucking do it. We still give

it several hours a day to get on there. I'm bad at it, too. I have to say like autonomy the other day. So little of my day is spent in silence. Like most of my day, I'm either doing the news or I'm listening to an audio podcast or the news or I love the app. I use this app voice stream, but it can turn any article into an audio service for you. So like I spares my eyes and it lets me listen to the news while I'm about doing my business. But I'm listening

to something on my phone all day long. There's very little silence. And I don't think that's good. I love the words of it. So I want to over time. Is it great? I love it. I love it.

Yeah. My kids say you can always tell when I'm coming because you can hear the news.

What podcast do you listen to? Oh, a lot of them. I basically listen to a wide variety and I listen into a to the month 2.0. So I can flash right through them. In the morning, I listen to the daily by the New York Times up first by MPR. This is I do it so you don't have to. But it's my job to keep a tab on the left to sing to. I listen a morning wire, which is from the daily wire. I don't hold Ben Shapiro against the morning team. I like those guys and I still listen to them.

Listen to my own AM update, which is our own 16, 17 minute news update source for the morning. And then as the day goes on, I listen to a bunch of them. I still listen to my pals over at National

“Review the editors. I disagree with a lot of what they say, but I think they're sane and they're”

they're right leaning people who don't like some hate Trump, but they they don't let it cloud their judgment. You know, they don't have TDS. I listen to some like Molly Hemmingway. I love her over the federalist. I sometimes listen to the Wall Street Journal Potomac Watch to hear what like the more establishment Republicans are saying. Wow, you listen to a lot of them. Oh, yeah, I mean, we could be here all day. It's all news. All news. The only non news podcast I listen to

are date line. I love date. I love a little true crime. I like my down time. I like to solve murders. Sean. I love a day line in books. I listen to books on tape. Yeah, but podcast, the only non news ones are probably it's probably date line. I'm trying to go through my feed right now. Ben, I just don't know. How do you stay on top of everything? It changes so fast now. Just but if you're steeped in it, you can do it easily because it's just incremental day to day.

“Man, the britium told me that early in my career. He said, you have to stay steeped in the news.”

And even now, if I have a producer and I can tell here, she's not steeped in the news. I'm like, I'm not going to last. If you don't love news, you can't be a news. You really, you need to love it. Yeah. If you don't get excited, I saw tell my team like we have a producer text chain that

chain, like internally to the others, you're not going to make it. Yeah. You have to get a

“Jones from the news. You have to be to get a Jones from being like the first to share.”

Like this happened. And that it's still what I love about news. And so if you're that steeped in it, you like it's, you can't pull yourself. You shouldn't want to pull yourself off of X, which is basically our news feed. It's not healthy, but it's news isn't healthy. Is that where you go

for the natural detox of life? So I love that though. I love the never-ending

news of it. The breaking news of the news is very attractive to me. How do you think mainstream is going to handle, how do you think it's going to stand up against podcasting in this next upcoming midterm and the next election? Well, haven't you heard podcasts are totally irrelevant now? You know, we were deemed totally irrelevant and of no impact because we were critical of the Iran war. Oh, okay. Like we're irrelevant and we have no, no one's paying attention to them.

And then as soon as Trump's poll numbers went down on the war, it was, you're to blame. The neo-Nazi podcasters are to blame. Okay, I mean, I don't, it's great. You have the debate with yourself. I'm just going to keep doing my show. How do I think podcasts just versus the mainstream

“will do? I mean, I think you are the numbers. Do you know, are you familiar with the numbers?”

In podcasting, the numbers across news are down. Cable news is down. Podcasts. Like how down? How many viewers does Fox News have a day? I see an end. You know, in their, in their

prime time, they're probably getting around 3 million, just under 2.4 to 3 million in the overall

and around 400,000 in the demo, which is not great. It's not great. They have a cable news is dead. It's just running out of its lifespan. Same for broadcast. I mean, that's better than cable. Even though they still have like some very old people watching the night lead. Do you enjoy watching a collapse? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't watch any television news. None. None of it. Yeah, I find it totally useless to me. I have to say,

there are some people I like. Like if I have to tune in to news, who do I hope is on? I like Jesse Waters. He's a good guy and he's a friend too. If I need like Washington news, I will tune in Brett Bear still. But I don't have the tolerance for it. They're the patience. You know, it's like,

“you can't go to 0.0. You have to watch the ads. You have to make it through this nine”

minute segment because you know they have an A block to fill. And then the six minute segment in the B block, because it's not like this, where it's like this discussion has grown tiresome. Let's move on to our next topic right now. But we're only 30 seconds into it. Yeah, but neither of us is feeling it. That's not the way television news works. And the consumer listening to this conversation right now just had a feeling inside of yes, that's right. Even though they weren't

able to diagnose it five minutes ago, but it's why people are tuning off from television because they can't service the modern day mind in the way it needs, which is why all the young people are in our lane now listening to us. And all the not even older people, the elderly, are watching television news. How long do you think total collapse is? I'm dying, man. I can't wait. Yeah, I'm watching it. I mean, it's already like, oh, but they're like you look at the,

when I was on Fox News in the prime time, which was, you know, whatever, 2016 or so, those years around that, we were, you looked at the advertising on the Kelly Falls, like American Express, BMW, you know, like all the blue chip brands. And while the daytime at Fox still had like the Christy Lane commercials of her singing on a beach and you should buy her. Really, you just thought you had Mesothelioma. If you watch too much cable at the time, probably still

today, but there were blue chip brands all over the prime time. Not anymore. It's very different now, and that's because they don't command, they don't have his big an audience. They don't command those kinds of advertisers. Well, we're the numbers when you were on. Oh my god, I think when I left,

I don't know, we were averaging like four and a half million a night and like seven or eight hundred

thousand in the demo. I recently looked at this. And now it's just way down. Now you're in the two millions. It's not that we didn't have nights like that, you know, or low periods. So they're half what they used to be. Yeah, just about. And but not just that, they're, they're, so they have multiple problems, who's watching will determine the advertiser fees. You know, if you have, whatever, hundred thousand people watching, you're not going to get the same advertising fees,

as somebody's got 10 million watching them. But it's also about court cutting. Everyone's court

either. I use YouTube TV and it's great. We can get anything. And I think young people, they,

they're not, nobody's paying for a cable news subscription now. Nor are they going to the traditional broadcast channels for anything other than maybe a sports event or something that's breaking that you can only see here. What are your friends inside there still? What do they think? They all want to be doing what we're doing. Why aren't they? Well, it depends on the person. There, there are some people who are just platform players. You know, with all due respect, like

they couldn't make it in this lane where it's, it's very competitive. It's actually not easy.

“You know, so you have to have a point of view and then you have to work very hard to develop”

some sort of a base. But they are leaving there with a base, aren't they? I mean, you love for the base, talking left for the base. It depends. Like, do you think there's a single person at CNN who could leave with a base? Like, Megan, I don't know. I have no idea who's even on CNN. That's my point. Like, those are platform players. Everybody up and down the CNN line up gets views because it's CNN, not because with all the respect, it's wolf blitzer.

Like, it's not like, I got to see what wolf is saying. I don't mean to pick on wolf blitzer. I think it's probably a good guy. I'm just trying to use an example. Like, no one's like, I got to know what he thinks or like, this person makes the news really interesting for me. It's like, I get my news from CNN or the MSNBCers. Same. Like, Rachel Maddox probably would have a following. I think that's probably it over there. You know, I don't know, even that morning show.

Like, it's numbers aren't that great. Fox has got a few more stars who people would follow.

“Like, got feld. But it's the short list. You know, it's under five. So that's why because they're”

being practical. They get paid very well. They have a built-in audience because people have brand loyalty. They don't have to worry about too much channel switching because usually people are loyal to Fox who are loyal to Fox and MSN. So there's, you know, there's a floor built-in. And that's comforting. Especially if you have to pay mortgage and maybe your spouse doesn't work. Like, I get it. I totally get it. I don't know, man. I don't know if it's over. I mean, if I just come over and get

propped up. I mean, you saw the Golden Globe. You had not nominated for a Golden Globe, right? Well, we, yes. But then we said, take our name off the list. Oh, you did. Yeah. We weren't going to pay money to go get concerted by those Hollywood Lib Tards. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. It was Ben Shapiro spent millions to buy an ad of his face in Times Square. So that he could win. He spent millions. Went different ways. Worked out for him. Didn't know. I'm assuming millions. How much

does it cost to put your face on the entire side of an enormous high-rise building, which is what he did

to convince the Hollywood Golden Globe crowd to vote for his show, which by the way was never going

to happen anyway. They weren't going to vote for a conservative podcast. I don't mean to pick on Ben. I'm just in a fight with him right now. But anyway. Yeah. No, we withdrew our names. Some consideration I thought it was hilarious. They brought all these big podcasters and along with a Hollywood people. And then they just rewarded themselves. It was fucking hilarious. And everybody called him on it. It was like, how the fuck does Joe Rogan now get the Golden Globe for the first, for the first,

“the first year they do podcast? And they get who do they give it to?”

Wasn't it Amy Polar? Yeah. The comedian? Yeah. Okay, sure. She's got the best podcast. It's better than Reagan's. This is fucking bullshit. I know. It's hilarious. And you know what I found out. Do you know that if you're like nominated, you're expected to go out there. And I guarantee you,

Amy Polar did this. And meet with these little Golden Globe committees. And basically pull the

dress up for them. Like, hey, how about me? Pick me. How absurd. Can you imagine humiliating yourself like that? No. So you could get one of their stupid statues and sit undoubtedly back in the nosebleeds at their party where they're like, ew, it's the podcasters disgusting people. Who would do that to themselves? Oh, shit. I thought it was awesome. But oh, wow. No. I like I grew up in the Roger Aeros era at Fox where we did not believe in awards. He would not even know when it

Fox, who spent their career at Fox, none of them has an Emmy. The only people at Fox has an Emmy got it while they were working for a different channel because he did not believe in bending the knee to get the pad on the head from these organizations who hate us. And I totally agree with him. That's cool. I like hearing that. How are you dealing with all these people coming after you?

And not jobs too. Yeah. Low IQ, not job. Mark Levine, Ben Shapiro. How did all this happen?

“Well, it's pretty obvious, but it's because of Israel. It's over Israel and now I run.”

It Ben Shapiro turned on me at the turning point event in December. I saw that. And I was stunned. I was completely flabbergasted. He and I... You had no idea that was going to happen. We were good friends. You were there, right? You came up right? I wasn't there that night. I arrived the next day. But yeah, I was on my way. And we were good friends, Sean. We had dinner together all the

time, but we were always very friendly. I helped make him a household theme on the primetime at Fox News,

put him on regularly, help make him a star when I got into podcasting. He really helped me, too. He invited me out to the daily wire headquarters in California and really encouraged me to get off the couch and go back and do it and offered me a job at the daily wire, which of course I didn't want to do. But I appreciated that he was thinking about me. And then we helped each other on our podcast. I'd have him on. I'd say as to his show whenever he needed me. I promote his people. He'd asked me to put

people on my show who were from the daily wire to help build their podcast. I always said yes. And then even when Charlie died, one of the first things I said I was just looking back at this because we're working on a project. But I saw this tape of myself after Charlie died. I was on the

air announcing it. And one of the first people I mentioned was poor Ben, who is I knew is living his life

surrounded by five or six armed guards. I'm like, but this has to stop, you know, this demonization, this authorizing of people who don't share our political viewpoints. And I read Ben's tweet about Charlie, you know, empathetically and sympathetically and, you know, just I had nothing but love for Ben. And then I did my tour in the ball where I had Tucker Carlson one night and Ben the next night. And I gave Ben the nicest intro a person could possibly give him. I mean, it was

a conscious effort to build him up because people were already turning on Ben because the Israel War had gone on so long in Gaza. There was a lot of blowback Ben is, you know, ardently 100%

pro Israel. And I didn't like seeing him twist in the wind. I felt bad for him. And I really

wanted to sort of vouch for him with my audience to say this is a good person. You know, let me tell you some wonderful things about Ben in the intro before he came out. But publicly, you know, we aired that on my show and he was in a noticeable mood that night we had a contentious back and forth on the stage. But it was fine. I had no problem with it. He kind of stormed out of

“there that night and I thought, are we not good? And why are we not good? And I think in that”

night, I thought it could be because of Tucker because I'm still friends with Tucker and those two were openly worrying. And I was trying to get them not to. I love Tucker like a brother. And I've known him a lot longer than Ben. But I care about Ben too. And I tried to try very much behind the scenes to get them both to come together and try, you know, for the sake of the conservative movement in the country to not to like disagree, but not hate each other, you know,

which was a fool's errand, but it was undertaken in earnest for whatever it's worth. And instead it seemed to turn Ben on me, not Tucker. You had no problem. You know, he wasn't into it, but he wasn't wanting to be close to Ben, but in no way did it make him feel angry toward me. You know, it's only one side asking me to de-friend the other side. But Ben and I had a text exchange after that. And he said in the text, you know, something to the effect of,

I agree that our friendship is more important than what other friendships we have in our lives.

“And that's what we should nurture and, you know, prioritize. Because he'd been in my ear about”

Tucker prior to that. And I was like, I totally get where you're coming from, but I love him. And I disagree with you. And I do listen to his show. And I think you're misinterpreting where he's coming from. And he rejected that out of hand. And we had already agreed to disagree on Tucker, which is fine, right? That's friends do that. Like, I get it. He's in a very sensitive place. He's got family in Israel. And I think a home in Israel. And, you know, obviously, very,

very committed Israel. And the next thing I knew, Sean, he was standing on the stage at turning point, ripping me as a coward. A coward. Allegedly, because I wouldn't call out Candace Owens, and what she was saying about Erica Kirk. But that's not what it was about. It was about my not ending my friendship with Tucker, which is the thing that he had been pushing me on

the Candace Erica feud against me ever since. At the time, I wasn't saying anything about

“whatever is going on between the two of them, because I was working behind the scenes to help”

them resolve it. I actually had gotten to know Candace a little. And I knew Erica pretty well. And Candace was very, very focused on turning point as she remains, including Erica. And Erica asked me if I would help her broker a piece between the two of them. And I said, yes, so I was trying to do that at Erica's request. And people like Ben didn't quite understand nor did they give a shit. You know, it's like, they just assumed I was a coward, I guess. I was

too weak to stand up. Meanwhile, it's like, I've been asked by the person you purport to be protecting Erica Kirk to help her behind the scenes, put this to rest. So go fuck yourself. And you're trying to shame me for not coming out and saying, Candace Owens is bad. You know, it's just possible you don't know the whole story. Have some humility. And a real friend before he stood up in front of millions to attack me as a coward might have

shot me a text to say, hey, I'm about to attack you for not doing this thing. I know you're to be a good person. Is there a reason you're not doing this thing? I demand a few. And I would have told him. But from that night forward, he and his supporters turn this into like, you will say the thing about Candace Owens or your bad, your bad and Tucker's bad. And it got lumped. And this whole thing became a proxy for the fight over Israel, like because they needed me to condemn Candace Owens

not because of what she said about Erica Kirk. To this day, it's not about that. It's because she is the chief Israel critic, arguably one of them in the country, arguably one of the chief in the country. And they need me to say she's bad. She's an anti-Semite. And now that they've made anything, I say, the stakes of the relationship, me between me and these people, it's a forever no. It's beyond a no. It's a forever no. You want to get on my bad side? Try to control me.

It's just never going to happen. So I won't de-friend Tucker. I'm not going to say what they want

me to say about Candace, who I've gotten to know much better. And I'm still close with Erica. It is possible. I see what's happening between the two of them. I've said what I'm going to say about it. And I have as Candace to stop. And I've said, I don't approve of what Candace is saying about

“Erica. But it's never enough. You give them one, no, you have to say it like this. It has to be”

this far. You have to go this far about it. You've got to condemn it in these terms. Fuck you. No, I don't. Man. I can do what I want. And I can say what I want. And I can have relationships with whomever I want. And when I went on the stage at Turning Point, I was asked about some of the questions that Candace was asking about Charlie's murder. And I made clear that I was fine with the questions she was asking about Israel. And really like that added to it. So like

the ardently pro Israel crowd really turned on me. You must be an anti-Semi, you're bad. The summer like you attacked Ben. Like I didn't attack Ben. Ben attacked me. The next night I said he doesn't have the power to take all my friends away from me, which is basically what he was arguing for to excommunicate me from the conservative movement. That's not an attack on Ben. And since then he's been coming for me ever since. Every once in a while, I'll say something

about him. But he hasn't let up. And then, you know, Chris Mark Levin is just a fucking lunatic. Well, I mean, it didn't work out for Ben. I just did two rounds of layoffs at the daily wire. The views are in the fucking garbage can if you could just pull the channel up. I can't remember around he subs. They have, but it's like 1.4,000 views. It's fucking. He's buying views right now.

That's amazing. I've only seen somebody completely destroy their entire legacy with their ego

one other time. And it's interesting to watch it. And it wasn't his real. He did shed view. He's been shedding viewers. Like we're all down viewers who are in news because it's it's a rough time and news. But it's fine. They go and they come in news to happen to me many times at the course of my career. But the reason Ben's been shedding them steadily by the tens of thousands for

“over a year. And I think the problem is, like, you can be pro-Israel and still have an audience”

even in the conservative wing that's starting to turn on Israel. It's just, he's become so intolerant. You know, he's become like a leftist scold and won't allow people who don't see it the way he sees it.

fine. We do that all the time in American politics. But like Ben and many others who are very, very pro-Israel have seemingly changed the stakes to only we are right. Only we are righteous. And everybody who disagrees with us is an anti-Semite neo-Nazi grifter. Why do they manufacture anti-Semitism? It seems like they just, they just, they have to do it. It's the same thing as the world. It's the same thing as the world to continue the

“fucking money flow going to Israel. That's what it is, right? Well, it has to be.”

It's, it's the, it's the, you know, it's funny because Mark Levin calls people like you and me and

Tucker, the woke rake, like we're part of the third rake, but we're woke. And I've, I've never

understood how they, you can argue where woke. I don't, I'd really generally don't get it. It is they who are behaving like woke leftists, making identity, and these baseless accusations of, you know, urine, anist of some sort, racist, bigot, whatever, the stakes of the relationship. Like, that's what they're doing. They, they have spent the past five years condemning the woke for saying, "Oh, you know, what's important about me is this, my skin color, you know, I want to be seen

from my blackness and they've, they've just replaced it with my, my semitism and urine anti-semite. If you disagree with me on anything, anything, urine anti-semite, it's because of urine anti-semite.

Like, even if you just say, "Hey, Israel's gone pretty far. I've defended it for two years,

“but it's, it is looking a little genocidal." But that's how I started off and like, the most”

mild, like, I defended you for, the better part of this war, you, you haven't stopped, you continue to seem totally remorseless about killing tens of thousands of civilians. I've got to be honest, I am starting to turn on you, anti-semite. What? You would not believe the number of attacks that were launched to me, just at that point. You're under Tucker's spell. No, no, no, no. It's not Tucker. It's you. It's you people doing the mass killing and the people who are

defending them without being honest about what's actually happening in Gaza. I have the capability of being honest. I can, I can condemn what Hamas did on 10/7 with ease and have since it happened. I can be honest about the sexual assault that took place and all the atrocities and have condemned it for months and months and beyond. But that same ability allows me to see what you Israel are doing very clearly. And when I started to see it and speak up about it, I had the whole pro-Israel

internet turn on me, bought me, there are full groups who are all over my social media now. It's very annoying. It's annoying for my fans. We don't want to deal with these bots and I get it.

“But I think they're committed to not letting these people have the final say. I'm getting it too,”

not like you are, but whoa, whoa, what are their costs? Are you getting a lot of death threats? We've had the FBI involved now multiple times because I've, you know, he's going to get death threats in my job, but they have risen to a level that's just beyond. And so, you know, I can't and won't go through all the security precautions we've had to implement in my life, but it's insane. And it's so wrong. It's over what? Oh, my opinion. I now have to worry about getting shot

because of my opinion. And what is my opinion? I think Israel should stop killing civilians in Gaza and Beirut, elsewhere. And I don't want to be involved in their wars. That's my opinion. Yeah. It's just deeply wrong. Well, I got you another president. Huh? Is it MVMA? What? It's hostile. Since we're talking about, you know, youth and so. Silence are on there. It's got a silencer. Here you go. That's awesome. Look at the size of this thing.

Wow. It's got six new optics. It's got a red dot in it. That's the suppressor or silencer. Take 17 rounds plus one in the pipe. Wait, what kind of a gun is it? A millimeter. That's a six hour. Okay. So I got a friend over at SIG, his name's Jason. And he told me I told you.

Are you actually giving this to me? Yeah. That's amazing. Really? Me, six hour and silencer shop.

Silence or shop also loves you. So they gave you that silencer to put on there. This is the coolest thing I know. There's a range right next to my house where I do go sometimes. I don't want to set the bar too high. We're going to see how often you spend at the rate. Keep your expectations really low. But this is beautiful. Wow. Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks to our friends out there

came into my house. Don't I want it to be loud? Where everybody hears it for miles around and comes and helps me out? I don't know. If I want to keep the kids calm. This is bad. But yeah,

in silencer shop, they do a bunch of stuff for the second amendment too. They're always standing

up for the second amendment and doing things and trying to get into legislation. So it's a good

“company. God love them. We need them. Honestly, it's like the past year. More than ever,”

haven't you thought? Like what does the ammo kit look like? I mean, we've thought about it in a way we haven't years for a lot of reasons. What's the side all on rest is coming? What bad guys coming? The thing with Charlie. I mean, it was just Charlie's murder. I just think that Charlie's murder was the seminal event of the whole year. It's changed a lot about how we all are and how we're behaving and what's happened on the right. What do you think it was? The last time

I interviewed you. You made a recommendation that I interviewed Charlie. I didn't get the opportunity unfortunately, but can you believe that of all people? I said Charlie Kirk. I'm so sad you didn't get to know him because you guys would have loved each other. Yeah, I wish I would have. I was

being put into the maga spectrum and I was never maga. I did it was I and with somehow the media

placed me there and so I didn't want to affiliate with any particular party. Yeah. And so I kind of steer it away from it. Now I wish I would have because I've heard so many great things about him. No, I laugh when Trump's like, "She's not maga." I'm like correct. I've never claimed otherwise. I've never been maga. I've always called myself maga adjacent. I'm a registered independent which my audience knows very well. I say it all the time. It's very important. I mean, not to have these

“team labels on me. What do you have to breed register? I'm a registered Republican. I got to”

re-register. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. How do you do that? You got it. You can do it. You can down to the DMV. You can change your voter registration. I would change my name. I got married and they

gave you the option then, but I had done it prior to that. So yeah, I've never been maga. I understand

maga and my sensibilities are much more affiliated with the right than the left. So like that's all real, and that's me, but I've never said I'm maga. Ever. So like, I'm like, I kind of like that time. I'm wait that I got placed in that. I never even wanted Trump to win until he was the only guy to vote for him. But well, that's the problem. Is that elections remain binary? Traces. So it's like, do I wish I had voted for Kamala? Hell no. As you know, it's not what I meant. I meant during all the other

people that were running for the Republican side. I was like, please just get one of these other people in. Yeah. And then when he got it, I was like, oh, fuck. And then I was like, please don't put anybody that's worth a shit in the administration because you're going to be garbage afterwards. There's no chance, especially right now. Yeah, feeling optimistic about JD Vance, 2028. No, or Rubio or anybody that's in there, because they're all yes men fucking puppets. Now,

now, now they're all talking about Catholicism, which I think is fucking hilarious. Well, let's talk about Catholic. Oh, Europe, fucking Catholic all of a sudden. There's no way to be in the Trump administration without being a yes man. You've lost the fastest growing Christian denomination in the world right now. Now all of a sudden we're going to advertise that we're fucking Catholic. Right. I'll tell you if you heard this organization Catholics for Catholics.

No, what do they do? I mean, it's Catholics for Catholics. They're going to get into politics. Oh, that's not a good idea. And so now you're going to give it all these fucking politicians that are claiming their Catholic all of a sudden, you know? Well, I mean, JD's are recent convert, but Marco Rubio's a lifelong Catholic, right? He's Hispanic guy from Cuba, like there. I don't know how observant he is, but I'll tell you what I think. I don't see him standing up for any fucking Christian

rights. I think their biggest problem is the Republican party is so divided. I don't know who the Republican party can unite behind. You know, the the non-unitant of interventionals faction. I don't think they will back a Rubio or a traditional Republican who's Neocony. And the Neocon faction is not going to get behind to JD vans. So who's the solution? I don't know. I really don't know.

“I don't see the solution. That's why, I mean, it would generally be a good time to be a leftist,”

but they have zero talent on their side. They have, I mean, oh, Pete Buttigieg, who, by the way, is polling first in the most recent poll I saw on Team Dam. Pete Buttigieg, okay, sure.

Kamala Harris, no, she's already been rejected. AOC, I mean, sure, she could get the nomination,

but could she convince a general electorate to vote for her. She's completely radical. She wanted to get rid of all the cows. So it's like, I don't think so. The super fat trans-loving governor Pritzker of Illinois, no, I mean, as soon as his gender policies and crime policies get outed,

“the general election electorate's going to reject him. So I think the best thing the Republicans”

have going for them is that the lunatic left, how bad they are, how they don't have a real threat. Gavin Newsom, let's go through the California policies. Let's just put them on a board and tell me if you even think they're real. They're so radical. You won't believe they're real. All under his watch. So I mean, it's, it's easy to sort of say like the Republicans aren't going to go anywhere because they've been all, yes, man, to a very controversial, very unpopular agenda,

but we have to pick somebody and do you like anybody on the left? On the left? Yeah. Like a politician? Anybody? No, but if I had to vote for anybody over there who's like thrown his hat out there, I kind of like ramen manual. He's like a fighter. I like how he's like he's a swearer and he's a tough guy. Like he's a real man. He's not like this sort of light malo for them kid, like Pete Buttigieg. He's not afraid to throw a punch. I like that. He has said no more money for Israel.

I like that. He has said yeah. He has said no even. Yeah, I do. Yeah. He's Jewish, but he's not an Israel firster. He is, he has said that he doesn't want boys and girl sports and he has said that he wouldn't change a thing about Trump's border. Like, I could vote for that kind of a Democrat. And then the thing's about him I didn't like, but I'd vote for him over a neocony, righty. What do you think of Rowe? Rowe? Rowe, Connor. Oh, I like him. He's been on the show. He's reasonable.

He's like, that's the kind of Democrat in general. I would like, though, I don't love him on the trans stuff. And I can't go for anybody who's going to continue chopping off the body parts of a children. He's a big on the trans stuff. He's not big on it, but he's not on the right side on a either. So, you know, Roman manuals, the only Democrat I know who's suggested they might run for

president who is where they should be on that issue. And I just, I could never vote for that we are

sterilizing our children. We are depriving them of any hope of sexual pleasure or but fertility at the age of 12, there's no informed consent. They want to ignore this problem. Like, it's nothing. It's not up to a parent. It's not between a parent and a doctor and a child. It's between God and a child. And no child can consent to that when they are a minor. So, that I would never vote for somebody who would not stand against that. And he's a Democrat who's

both against that and against more Middle East Wars on behalf of Israel. Short list. Who do you like on the right? I like JD. He liked JD. Yeah, I don't think JD is in favor of this war. He's got to keep his mouth shut about it because he works for Trump. That's the deal when you're the VP. He accepted the job. So, he's doing the job, nobly. It's not noble to run around being like, my boss sucks. I'm against the war. I was the one person who stood against it.

Make sure that's printed. He's really not doing that. He's standing for Trump. He's trying to find the right messaging around it. It's not a great idea. But if we do it, this is how I guess we should do it. You're the boss. You're the one they elected as president, not me. And so, you're asking me what my thoughts are. He's on the record according to the New York Times. Just having said, I don't think we should do this. But if you're going to do it, this is what I think we should do.

“I think that's honorable. And I think JDVans is definitely not an interventionalist. That's what”

the New York Times hate about him. That's one of the main reasons they go after Tucker so hard is because they see him as a surrogate for JD and they need JD to be hobbled. But I think JD on his own when he's in the top spot or it's going to be complicated because when he if he runs forward, he's got to run it for it while still Trump's VP is he's going to be the same position as Kamala Harris on immigration. And when the view asks her anything you do differently, nothing comes

to mind. He's going to have to learn to navigate that because he's going to have to say, yeah, there's some things I do differently in Trump's not going to like that. So that's going to be the joy of being us. We'll be able to talk about it. We don't not responsible for steering it, which is how to cover it. But yeah, I like JDV. The guy has a fucking chance in hell. I'm getting that. Why? Because he's not, I just think the opposite. He's not saying anything.

“Well, what would you think Trump is being loyal to the American people? I think”

first and foremost, if you're in any position in the administration, I think you owe it to the people.

To do what though. What would you explain? What would you say to JD? Do what? I would say he needs to speak out against what the fuck is happening in this country and in the world.

of that administration. Yeah. Although it's, you can't really fire a VP. See, I don't look at him.

I see a guy who is totally conflicted in his morals with what's happening right now. And he doesn't look like he knows what to do. Well, are you so sure he's not fighting it behind the scenes from the inside? I think people need to know that. I don't know that he is or he isn't. I don't I don't have inside knowledge on this. I just know where his sensibilities are.

“But I agree. He's in a very difficult position. I mean, that's what happens when you accept this job.”

You put yourself in that very difficult position. It's not ideal. I just don't see any positivity coming out of this administration. It seems very self-serving. I have a list of shit printed. I could go through. But what was the last one? You fucking made it. So he had top blanched through the dirty work. So that him or anybody in his family could ever be

audited by the IRS with the fuck is that shit? The drone company, the $400 million jet from

Qatar. Yep. The, what is it? The executives club? You know about that? Yeah. Yeah. That they started in DC. You don't hear about any of this shit. Yeah. The shit looked like he's serving the fucking people. No. So you're going to serve that. We're going to speak out against it. You'll let everybody know what the fuck is happening. You think you'd be better off. The fuck's news sure is the fuck isn't reporting any of this shit. None of it. None of it. No, I, I, there's no question

that the corruption in the administration has been far beyond what he sued the fucking government. He sued his own fucking government for what? Like how much? Okay. But that I can defend

“because look, he was maliciously prosecuted by the DOJ. You remember Peter Struck and Lisa Page,”

those two FBI agents who were like, don't worry, we're going to stop him. They sued their own

government and they got paid two million dollars. They got paid these two who were openly

working to defeat a legitimate candidate who'd been nominated by Republicans or was about to be for president. How did they get paid? They complained that somebody leaked their texts to the media and their privacy even violated that their government had basically violated their rights. And Joe Biden's DOJ paid them out two million dollars. Now, 1.8 billion is a lot more than two million. But it's the same principle, Trump's saying to the government that the DOJ, which now

he runs, but it's the same organization, you did the wrong thing. You maliciously prosecuted me and I'm entitled to remuneration. So he filed this case. He has a case for that. There's no question that's true. He was maliciously prosecuted. There was no basis for what they did to him in particular and they were behind the one in New York, which was one of the most species. But, you know, the January 6 thing, that wasn't a criminal case against Trump. That was just a bullshit

lie. You can't use the presidency for self-retribution, though. Well, I mean, you can, unfortunately. I see that. So as a matter of settling that, he got this settlement and he knew even he knew it would be too much to say I'm going to line my pockets with this money. The way he got around it was to say I'm going to use this for a, you know, a fund payout all the people who have also been maliciously

“prosecuted like the January 6. There's, I mean, James Komi has already said, how about me?”

It's a fair question to be honest. But it's a huge number and the five person board that oversees the payouts is hands-selected by Todd Blanche, his personal attorney, now we're acting attorney general and Trump can fire any of them in any time. So it looks like a massive slush fund for Trump, friends and family or anybody who just happens to come up with a claim and we don't know how much the payouts are going to be. There are no criteria for what the payouts are going to be.

And it's an unprecedented sum that hasn't been approved by Congress yet again. Our tax money is not supposed to get spent without the approval of the representatives who answer to us. Elections every two years so that when it came to, especially matters of the purse, we had the ability to hire and fire them if we didn't like what they did. That's being removed from us by something like this. I feel like this is how he's justified to himself

to just take advantage of every little thing that comes across his dust that's going to benefit him financially. He's justified it through what's happened to him previously, which I could understand, but I mean, I'm sorry, like it just, you can't fleece the American tax ban. Yeah, do it like that. Mm-hmm. No, it's disturbing. I mean,

somebody's family or maybe it's all of it to me. I don't know. I'm not sure. When Tucker's big on the threat, I'm not sure if I believe that. I just think, look, when it comes to matters

of the wallet, Trump's always been, you know, very focused on money and he's been less than

“fourth right about his finances. You know, that's why he, his CFO went to prison of the Trump”

organization. Like, there's a reason that there's a history there. I guess I just didn't realize just how grand it would be on the presidential scale. I guess I kind of thought he'd be more like he was in the first administration where he didn't do all this. Like, he understood that there was there were eyes on him. And there was the threat of congressional investigation and potentially prosecution hanging over him. Now that we have a Supreme Court ruling saying, not much of what

you do is in your official role as president can be prosecuted. Think he's feeling a little more

fancy for he. Yep. But he's not going to say himself from congressional investigations, which

you're going to start the moment, the Republicans lose the house in November. You know, that's happening. And that could get ugly for him. So he should watch it a little and the Trump Suns to watch it. The drone company is problematic. We awarded a, you know, a military contract to a drone company owned by the, the Suns. The crypto stuff at a time when their dad is the one prosecuting the war. Like, there's their conflicts of interest that are pretty obvious that they

should have to justify oil shorting. We don't know who's doing that or who's getting rich off of that. But we're going to go after a fucking U.S. service member for a little bit on Polly Market.

You're absolutely right. That got any more accessible. Guys. Right. It's not great. We don't

want it to happen. But we really don't want it to happen to the tune of millions. And it keeps happening over and over again as a result of reports that get dropped. And that turned out to be

“untrue. You know, we have a deal. Another deal. The around wars over. It's over. Did you know it's over?”

It's weird. How it's not over. Yeah. No. All of that should be looked into. You know, we, we need the federal regulators to take a hard look at some of those trades to make sure that they're legit. And people haven't just accurately gained it out without having insider knowledge. Do you think JD has a shot? Yeah. I do. You do. Yeah. Wow. Who do you think has a shot? Someone's going to have to win? I don't even think about it anymore because I don't think it matters.

I haven't quite quite crossed into that level of cynicism yet. I haven't taken the black pill. You know, I'm, I don't know. I think it's, I just, I think it's, I just, I think it's taking a great pill. I really do. What do you think of that? I think we've idolized all these fucking people, Trump, Musk, Biden, whoever insert politician, billionaire, elitist, tech bro, whatever. And we're all looking for one person to fix this shit. And we keep prop in this fucking

people up and they're corrupt and this veils lifting. I mean, in the Epstein, I mean, who knows if it's true or not, but they're talking about eating fucking babies and blood rituals on Epstein Island.

“But this shit is biblical. Would you vote for Thomas Bassie?”

Yeah. Do you think he'd be corrupted? I think it's a very good possibility. Hmm. I don't know. I like to believe there are still some people who are truly committed to their ideals. Look at Rand Paul. I think he's a good example of not easily corruptible. He doesn't care who hates him. And it's a long list. I respect that. I really do. He doesn't care. He'll back, he'll buck Trump and is there for a load by him. But he has a core set of principles

inherited from his dad, Ron, that seem genuinely near and dear to him, which I really respect. I still think there are some good men out there and women who could lead in a way we would admire. They're going to get robot, they'll aren't they? Yeah, probably. What are they going to be able to do? I don't know. I'd like to believe we're at the beginning of a sea change where people have had it. You know, maybe Trump will actually lead. It'd be great actually. I'd love to see him lean into

the corruption. Like go for it, double down, triple down, keep like do it. Do it so much that Joe Biden set the table with his weird son and all the deals they were doing with the Chinese Communist Party and everybody else. That was disgusting. The left wouldn't call it out. The right did. Then we had Trump who's doing some corrupt stuff and the right won't call it out. But the left is like maybe it just gets so egregious. We get to the point where it's burned down.

Phoenix. I don't know. I'm always optimistic when it comes to America. I just feel like we won't

continue settling for this level of dishonesty and awfulness. Like we can't look who look what we came from. You know, look how we were founded. Look what we're about to celebrate as we hit 250. Like it, it should be a good reminder, not with Millie Vanilli playing in the White House. Wherever they're going, it's not even a real band. How do they get booked? They never really sing. But with like our own celebrations where we reread that declaration and we remind ourselves

what a tyrannical government looks like and how we wouldn't stand for it. Then we're not going to stand for it. Now we're, you know, what they say we get the leaders we need. Well, let's, let's actually do that. Let's actually do that next time around. I don't know, Sean. I just feel like I don't believe

“these are end times. I believe we're in a crisis. It's not going well. But that it's solvable. It's”

separable. What happened to those? They promised two trillion in cuts and they got 200 billion.

And then went away because Elon got tired of politics and everybody hating him. That's a tough machine to fight, too. You know, in the same way Trump said he was going to fight big agra and big, you know, pharma and didn't really try dealing with big government and eliminating all those government jobs. Now we did eliminate some amount of government jobs. But we didn't really, I mean, okay, so we saved 200 billion. Okay, great. But like again,

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600 billion dollars in fraud a year.

It doesn't surprise me. At least now they're looking at it. At least now, there have been some reports about fraud, so the government knows the country wants you to pay attention to it. That's positive.

“Don't you think we're better off on fighting fraud today than we were four years ago?”

Yes, it leases the topic of discussion. But I mean, I don't know that. It's like, they say that, what's the saying? Basically, that politics is Hollywood for ugly people. And people who couldn't make it in Hollywood wind up in politics are media.

Like, you weren't hot enough for you weren't talented enough for whatever. So you wound up settling for this like very ugly toxic industry. And it's kind of funny. But the thing is, you can look around the toxic stew everywhere when you're in politics or media covering it and think God, everyone's ugly in the true sense of the word.

They're all unattractive. God, they're covered in toxins everywhere, damaged unwell people. I'm miserable in this sucks. Or you can look around and be like, it's a toxic stew. But there are some points of light that we have to figure out a way to exploit and elevate.

To change the general pH balance of this toxic stew. We're going to make the toxic stew better as opposed to just saying, it's toxic and letting it take you under. That's just not the way forward. We can't give up on the whole game because the players are gross.

We have to find a way of changing the game and elevating better players. That has to be the way forward. But I agree with you. I just don't know how we get there.

And I just, I don't know. I just look at everything that's happening and. You know, I still are potentially getting thrown out for a reserve currency.

“I think it's like, well, we're an agent.”

It's going to happen. Yeah, we're in a nation in decline for sure. There's no two ways about it. I mean, what China's already the world's superpower. I don't know if anybody's paying attention, but they are.

They're kind of he's growing far faster than ours is. Their trade is huge, like the, you know, exports and the versus the imports. We're making it easy as hell for them to come here in the United States and buy up our land. Guess how much land we own over there. None, guess how many university students, we have over there.

None, who would want to go? But my point is simply, there's just such a gross imbalance that no one seems to care about. So it's already that that ship is already sailed, you know, even militarily. They used to have no ships. Wasn't so long ago, they had nothing.

Their military was basically non-existent.

Now, it appears to be bigger and stronger than ours, or on its way. And we continue to enable them. So yeah, we are definitely going to lose our status and we haven't. Has everybody off? We pissed you're up off.

We pissed Canada off. We can't, we pissed the Middle East off. We've put Asia obviously fucking hates us, Prussian, China. I mean, you talk about it.

“Like, it's just not solvable, like that's, so what happens?”

I mean, I just, I don't know how, like, how do you, I can't blame anybody for not wanting to do business with us and for leaving, because we, we, we, we, we're not stable. True, but that doesn't mean we can't reverse some of these policies. But this is Canada thing. Like, you're very focused, thank you.

I just, I read this shit and I'm like, I hear it. Now, my guy's probably bullshit and then I look it up a little bit and I'm like, oh my god, we're punishing them, we're threatening them with a hundred percent tariff for dealing with China, but we fucking denied the pipeline to come in here. Like, what is that?

Yep. Of course they're looking at us like, look at these fucking people. They don't, what are they doing? We offered them this shit and they didn't want it. And then what, four or five years later, they're like, we're going to slap you with a hundred

percent tariffs because this, they've got to be like, what, what, what the fuck do you want us to do? Well, they are. That's why they're the Prime Minister made a speech about how this appears to be a new world order where the United States is really changing. It's posture in the world. It's not friend to the world. It's not the world's greatest ally. It's not, it's really not the world's protector. It's every man for himself noted and then now this thing with Cuba.

Yeah, you know about this? Yeah. Polymarket says there's a 49% chance that we strike Cuba

before December 31st, 2026. 3 million plus and trading volume, the crowd is nearly split. 49%

chance the US carries out a strike on Cuba by the years end. The US cut off Cuba's oil supply in January after capturing Venezuelan President Nicholas Maduro. And the island his sense face widespread blackouts and fuel shortages. President Trump has publicly said the US could take over Cuba. A March 19th, the head of US Southern Command told the Senate the military is not rehearsing in invasion. But we are sending. It sure as fuck looks like a military asset's down there.

This is exactly what we did before. Or I ran. Yeah. Well, and so far our efforts to topple the government via, you know, total economic shutdown have not worked. Although it could be, you know, nobody knows what the hell we're doing in Cuba because Trump hasn't told us.

“He just keeps saying, I believe I'll have the honor of taking it. So what does that mean?”

It means we're going to invade it. Does it mean militarily? Does it mean we're just going to increase that, you know, dial up the economic ratchet? There are already in 23 hours of darkness there.

They have no oil. We basically forced this by cutting off their oil from Venezuela,

which I think was part of our plan. But so far the regime hasn't collapsed. The people haven't ousted anybody. Now we appear to be getting ready to do a Maduro on roll, Castro who's 96 years old. I'm not no longer a power. I'm not exactly sure how that's going to make them come begging to us. I'm bending knee and also it's going to be a lot tougher. But anyway, we are moving all these military assets to the region and it does look like a preparation for something. But what does it mean?

Like I don't even know what it means. So what our troops could take Cuba, I think pretty easily. It's not going to be a wrong. They're in very bad shape there right now. But then what we're going to do with it is it's going to be a new state. Like we run it because right now we can't seem to run our own country. Honestly, people can't, they can't get to work the roads suck, the bridges suck, we can't get in a university. Everything costs three times as much as it should.

They can't pay for their health insurance. They're very worried about their groceries and their gas prices, and so on. The crime. We can't run our own country. Now we're running Venezuela and Cuba.

“We're going to run Cuba. How is that going to go? Who's going to run it? Who exactly?”

Maybe they're going to turn it into the Gaza Strip. At least Cuba is really beautiful. I don't know. So we're going to bomb Oman and we're going to invade Cuba and take it over. And maybe make it the 51st day. I don't know, Sean. The president won't tell us. And it's disrespectful. Like we have the right before we send our men and women in uniform in there to know what is the mission. Because we just went through this,

just went through this and Iran. And your attempt to stay nebulous on it didn't pay off. You were forced to offer reasons anyway in the two weeks after the invasion, because people were pissed. What are we doing over there? So he just initially tried to sort of throw doubts at the board and say it's this. It's that. It's regime change. It's the nuclear thing. It didn't work. Been our enemies for 47 years. Yeah. Well, we're fucking funding one right now. The Taliban,

which is where that flag came from. And we're sending them 40 to $80 million a week.

I think it's amazing. We're literally funding that fucking enemy. But nobody gives a shit. And they're going to listen to this fucking crap that he says about Iran being our enemy for 47 years.

“Which they were a lot of my friends have been killed by her. Yep. Well, that's what he was banking on.”

It's the American people's empathy for our own guys. And we remember we have a long memory for the Americans who were killed by Iranian backed funded IEDs. It's not what it's about. Otherwise we wouldn't be funded them. Correct. It's definitely not what it's about. And we're not going to know Cuba. We're going to wake up one day and there's going to be an announcement that we took it. And like midnight hammer. Yeah, but like we just decided to do this.

We don't have a plan. There's no long-term plan. There was no long-term plan on Iran and I don't believe there's a long-term plan on Cuba. You know, the best thing we have going for us there is Marco Rubio seems to have been focused on Cuba his entire life. So maybe he'll at least say, yo, we need to have a really good plan for after we send the troops in and take it. Because I don't think Trump really likes the follow-through portion of the invasions. You know,

he doesn't really like having to deal with the remnants of the bombs. And that's always the case.

You know, it was Stan Macristall, General Macristall, who said when we first went into Iran, you know, it was a little tongue-in-cheek, but he basically said, if you like this war and you know, you're you're enjoying watching our, you know, the power and might of the American military, enjoy it and enjoy it while you can because the bomb dropping phase of the war is always the best phase. It doesn't get any easier or better from here. And boy did that turn out to be true.

Look at us now. It is a quagmire and we don't know how to solve it and we don't have the upper hand and the Iranians know it. So maybe the solution is to go start something in Cuba and see what's I don't even know. Just to get a one. Yeah, that's how it's looking. Like that's a spike the ball in the moment in the end zone moment for him potentially because it's not, it's not like around, it doesn't have 90,000 people and it's like strong fucking like group of

insurgents who will never give up. It's a different kind of it's more traditional and it's

military defenses. And the, you know, the American military can handle that. I think more easily that it can handle the non-stop drone supply and you know instead of using a nuclear weapon they, they use they found a nuclear option which is the straight of our moves. I don't think that that's available in Cuba. I have no idea. I'd love to hear somebody spell it out for me. I actually don't want to talk about Cuba. I don't want to think about Cuba. I'm with Sarah. I'm done with

the straight of her move. I don't want to think about them or Cuba. I want to think about myself

“my family and my country. That's what I want to think about. What's good for us?”

Well, how do we get out of this then? What's the real solution? Well, it's very good that Trump has started to say he wants to be out of it. That's great news. He has realized this is a mistake. There's no question. Otherwise, he'd be leaning into the neocon pressure to do more bombing. You know, they're all in a freak out now. Like, what oh my god, they can see he's about to open up the financial spigot to Iran to get them to give up the straight. He's like, well, listen,

all the sanctions on your money that we've had in place all these years and they're like, great. We're going to be rich again. Just got to give up the straight. Well, the neocons are not wrong. That that puts Iran in a better position than it was before we started this war where they

with that deal than when we were sitting across the table from them? They didn't control the straight

and we still had their money locked up and we were just negotiating about how little nuclear they could enrich. That's Trump would give anything to be back at that deal right now. They won. So, well, yeah, look, it's good that some of their military assets have been decimated. I'm not against that. You know, they're not good people. They've been killing our people, so like, I'm not against that. But like, that's somewhat better. The June strike definitely

did damage to the nuclear facilities. That was good. I actually supported that. It's a very different thing to this war. So, I guess some good has been done towards stopping the potential of a nuclear

“threat in Iran. Let's take that as a W. It's a fake W, but let's just take it and get out. And I think”

Trump's there as he sees he's underwater with literally every group and his poll numbers are literally

the lowest they've ever been. His disapproval rating now is the highest it's ever been in two terms. It's higher than after January 6th. Wow. So, he sees that. I mean, he's going to be a lame duck even sooner than the midterms if these numbers keep going lower. You know, he's losing Republicans now. The only area left to lose is Republicans. The Democrats, of course, are gone. All the independence are gone. They're against Trump now into the mid to high 70s. So, you've got

one tiny sliver of independence, who might still be open minded to you, and one tiny sliver up, that's the core maga. You can't lose that, or you can't govern at all, even your executive orders are going to be scoffed at and potentially not followed. So, he has accurately deduced he does need to wrap it up. He's not, he's not listening to the neocons who are like right now saying double down, bomb them to smithereens. You know, remember when you said unconditional

“surrender, that's what we need because we can't open up the financial spigot in exchange for the”

straight or harmless. Let's take the straight. Let's keep the spigot closed. Let's insist that they give us the nuclear dust. Like they want maximum return on this investment and Trump is realized that's not realistic. That's good news. That's great. We should be encouraging him to lean into that instinct. And I think in some way, shape or form the Iran conflict has to wrap up because he knows it politically. He knows it. Cuba, I don't know. I really hope somebody

explains to me what the, what he's thinking. Like it's very hard to make an assessment from here. I'm not the whole country. How do we, how do we be correct? We get on the right course. How do we get out from Israel's thumb? How do we stop the, how do we stop the forever wars? How do we, it's just how do we get the pulse back to where it needs to be? Nothing's on the right track.

“That's why I think voting for, I mean, get them into one season Tuesdays. I don't”

just don't feel like they're going to last. I feel like it needs to be a new party, but that's already been tried. Or there can be a resting of control within the existing parties.

You know, it's already starting to happen. You know, the America first wing of the Republican

party is growing in influence in numbers. That's good. That's better than having the Mark Lewin party run our foreign policy, which is what's happening right now. The Democrat party's changing, too. They're getting a little less swampy and having some more interesting players come out of their team. No one so far away would vote for. Like I said, ramen manuals not really part of that new wing, but they're reinventing, which is interesting.

I just think, look, we've made it 250 years. We're not going to implode in the next five. Or 10 or 50. It's tough to turn an aircraft carrier around, and that's the course we're on, the aircraft carrier, where we've pissed off all of our friends. The value of the dollar is what it is. We're in $33 trillion worth of debt. That's going to be tough to solve. I do think number one shrinking government will help. Number two, the laws of natural

consequences, where change does tend to follow massive upheaval and upset, and people are feeling that. You know, the Iran war was a bridge too far for millions of Americans. I do think like the neocon era is done. We thought it was done with the election of Trump. Clearly, it wasn't. But I do think the answers on those questions are going to be very clear dealbreakers in the next election. No one who starts talking about their commitment to Israel has a chance in hell

of getting elected. They just don't. So don't you think Israel will just pay them to not talk

It's going to be tough. It's going to be tough. I think it's going to be a good job thing.

I fucking hate that day. But everybody wanted to be to bring his opponent on to crush him. And I was like, I'm not. I'm not. I don't care how much I can't stand Dan Crunchoff. I'm not bringing his opponent on. I don't know shit about him. And I'm not going to vouch for him just because I hate this guy. And sure, shit, he gets the like it's in there. And the first thing he does is start spouting is fucking allegiance to Israel.

“So thank God, I didn't do that. That's what I'm talking about. He didn't. I didn't hear a word about”

that shit until he won. Yeah. I just don't think that you're going to get away with that anymore. Not with these approval ratings within the dam independent and Republican parties now.

It was never an issue before Sean, especially in GOP politics, trust me. I've been near or in them

for a long, long time. And there was zero downside to saying that you were 100% pro Israel and the Republican Party for my entire time at Fox News and beyond zero downside. That's why you've got so many statements by Ted Cruz and others like, there is no daylight between me and Israel. I hope to be the number one most loyal to Israel Senator. There is. Why, why would you even say that? Because there was no downside to that as a Republican. It was always like the weird Democrats who loved

“our Muslim adversaries who hated Israel because they were anti-Semites. That was the narrative.”

And the Republican Party was always like Israel's the only democracy in the west that they're fighting the same enemies. We are that they have the same values, Judeo Christian, that, you know, that's a stronghold for us too that they cooperate with us on intelligence. And a lot of that is true. I mean, they, they did cooperate with us on intelligence. And, you know, we've paid a very high price for that. It turns out some of those Middle Eastern Arab nations or Muslim nations may not be quite as

hateful and dangerous to the United States as we were led to believe. It's not to give radical Islam a pass. I'm against it. But there is a version of Muslim statehood that we can work with and that doesn't need to be demonized as entirely bad and an enemy. You know, I love to say that. That's, that's a no for Israel. You know, they're already talking about what about Turkey, might have to invade Turkey. Okay. Trump's latest greatest ideas

to force Saudi Arabia and all these other countries to join the Abraham courts. He says Iran's going to join. Oh, okay. Cool. Wow. Yeah. This is the utter nonsense. But I, I just think these issues are now front and center in the

Republican Party in a way I've never seen before. I don't think I know. I know that's the case.

It's going to sound very different the next the next big election, 28, the presidential contest, where we flesh out the issues. Trust me, I've been there on the debate stage with these candidates

“where the media and the candidates get to decide what's important to America and they are driven”

there by the populace and what messages they've sent and Israel's 100% going to be one of those big issues. So, so it's one of the, it's one of the few bright sides of this whole thing. All right. Well, I hope you're right. I'll come back in late 28. Since we're as we're getting close to the election. Hopefully we have some decent candidates. And we can fact check this entire segment. We can talk about what predictions came true.

If we still have jobs. We'll have jobs. If AI hasn't replaced us. Already put in an application to be a trash man. So, smart move. If I get replaced by AI, I hope she's a lot younger and more energetic. Man. Well, Megan. I really appreciate you coming and this was an awesome conversation. Thank you. Thanks, Sean. It's great to see you. Thanks for all the great work you're doing.

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