#311 Ben Owen & Ryan Dalton - Arrested on Epstein's Island

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Sean Ryan. Welcome back, man. Thanks for having me, dude. What's 777?

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That's awesome. A direct result of our last episode. That's all. Is that the school? No.

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of recording studios, like some pretty big names every quarter there. I mean, it's in Memphis, in the couple that owns it. Had a son die from a fentanyl overdose, a deer friend of theirs, who's happens to be a cop and Memphis saw our episode, came out, started volunteering and we got to know him to live well.

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Thank you. So yeah, I've heard from you on what about a year, and then all of a sudden, I get a text of you on what looks like a little John Boat that says you got arrested for trespassing on Epstein Island. That's right.

What the fuck? What? What? What? Oh, gracious.

Give me a brief summary and then I'll intro you. So a brief summary. All right. Well, as brief as I can make it, you have a lot of really cool people to watch your show. And after our episode, a lot of those really cool people, most of them in law enforcement,

started reaching out to me. We can get into the details of what all has transpired since then, but one of the results of that episode was that the Student Ryan Dalton former State Department diplomatic security special agent, who is behind the website, Epstein isn't dead.org. It was made aware of who we are and what we do.

He had this idea to get out of Epstein Island to get eyeballs on it again, to raise awareness. And he hit me up. Actually, he hit me up before he had the idea of Epstein Island, just wanting to know if we would be willing to help him run the open source intelligence investigations tied to his website. And, you know, for context, I'm not convinced Epstein is alive.

I definitely convinced he didn't leave that jail cell a dead man. I don't know if he's still alive. I am convinced his network is very much alive and operating them. You know, something that large doesn't just die because they say he died, and one person

Like this. That's the other's part.

“So the writer, the one person got a biggest, biggest, biggest, extraficking, what was”

the lead sex trafficking ring in the world with one, two, one, one first, yeah, just landmarks well. Well, now free. I got arrested, not for sex trafficking. Now, let's be sure.

I'll be correct. This would be clear on that. I got arrested for trespassing on pedophile island, which is weird because nobody's been arrested for being a pedophile in that island. Well, you know, they're all being protected by the president of the United States.

Yeah. Or somebody. Or somebody. Or somebody that's controlling him. Yeah, there's definitely some weird stuff going on, man.

So, yeah, I tell Ryan, I'm always down for crazy ideas, you know this about me.

I wanted to go down there. I wanted to plant a we-fight monster's flag on that beach and, you know, kind of symbolically reclaimed that property for good purposes. I was under the impression that a billion here, Stephen Dekoff, had bought the island. It was going to turn it into resort.

“Beaches can't be private in the Virgin Islands.”

So, going on that beach was an allowable thing to do. And I thought we would go down there, plant our flags, call it a day. We got a little excited on the way and we saw his temple, which everybody seen Epstein's temple on that island. We saw that and kind of forgot that you're not allowed to go beyond the beach.

And so, man, we'll get into the rest of the minute. Let me give you an intro, just for anybody that didn't see the first episode. Ben Owen, you're the CEO of once American is Memphis, a Memphis-based AI and digital forensic company whose Intel Foundry platform supports law enforcement and federal partners in owns it, excuse me, OSINT targeting and counter-trafficking operations.

Alongside your wife, Jessica, you co-founded WeFight Monsters, a non-profit working at the intersection

of anti-trafficking efforts, community violence intervention, reentry support, and survivor housing. Together, you've raised biological, foster, and adopted children, including your Afghan daughter, Resil, who we spoke about in your last interview. You also lead Owen Army, Flander's Fields, and Black Rifle Co., and have been involved in disaster

response efforts across the country from the Uvalde shooting, school shooting to the Lahaina, obviously the butcher and that fires to Hurricane Halene and beyond. Most recently, you made headlines after traveling to little-saint James, a part of the Epstein isn't dead campaign to investigate the Epstein criminal network.

“This is for context, your little-saint James is Epstein Island.”

During your escape from the island, you say you were hog-tied, unlawfully restrained, kidnapped and assaulted by Epstein's property manager before later being charged with misdemeanor trespassing. You are currently out on bond. I welcome back to the show.

How much was your bond? 500 bucks, 500 bucks, that's it. That's it. It's kind of weird that it should have called me. I could have posted that one.

Oh, I was prepared. I took Bond when it would be. It would have been an honor. You're going to think about what we do.

I've always got Bond money in my backpack.

I never expected to be for me. Old habits. Yeah, right? My bond was 10 times the maximum fine for trespassing. So they were definitely trying to make an example out of me.

I think. Yeah. It's a $50 fine for trespassing. Now, they can give you it for 30 days in prison for it. I did not know that.

But hopefully that would happen. Yeah. I'm out on bond. I mean, they didn't try to cut you up in pieces and throw you down the trash, shoot into the ocean or the ocean.

You don't have to do any ritualless, satanic blood rituals or I was waiting. Yeah. Like, I didn't expect to get kidnapped. You know, once I realized we had progressed beyond the beach, I knew that trespassing, and I was trespassing.

I knew how it was. And so I expected that. Let's back up. Great. Let's go.

Let's go. Yeah. Before we get into all these different rivals. So you got approached. Where did you guys?

Where did you sail from? Where did you sail from? We met on St. Thomas. We got a ferry from St. Thomas over to St. John and chartered about. This for context for anybody that doesn't know where this island is.

It's just a little due east of Puerto Rico, right? Right. Yep. It's closer to Venezuela than it is the mainland United States. Okay.

Yeah. Down in the Caribbean. I mean, it's paradise. It's like heaven and earth down there. It's absolutely beautiful.

So we chartered a boat from St. John and took that to little St. John boat.

I don't know.

“I don't even know like a fish and boat, you know, nothing, nothing fancy.”

How far was the 20 minutes? That's it. Yeah. It's close, dude. It's clear.

And that's the thing. I did not expect that island to be as surrounded by people and other islands as it was. Like it's not some secretive on cliff that you can't see, you know. It's like helicopter tours going all the time. It's right out there in the open.

Wow. Yeah. Did not expect that. So I guess you're going to walk you through that day. Yeah.

Yeah. How many of you guys were there? So there were five of us in total. Three of us want to know. On the other two, dude.

But took care of the boat.

Okay. Yeah. I had to have somebody. I don't know if you liked beach dinner. No.

So that was the thing. That was like something. That was like something. That was like something.

“Like a boat and like a wrap and but there were two of your eyes.”

A little upset. I didn't get an invite. I'm sorry. I'm a fucking frog. I know.

A timer too. You know, hindsight's 2020 next time. It's going to be me. There might be an extra. Not on that out there.

But I mean, somewhere else right. We'll go find another. Yeah. We'll do the right way. It'll be me.

You Scott, man. Travis Peter said, well, we'll have the right team together next time. This this time. It was like the. The Memphis 18.

You're right. Couldn't get the boat up to the beach because the rocks. So we realize we're going to have to swim, which we knew was the possibility. I'm not a great swimmer. I'm not going to drown, but I'm also not a great swimmer.

So we had to swim. I don't know. I was like 50 hundred yards.

“And our plan was still to plant the flag.”

So I'm swimming with this 20 foot collapsible flagpole and boots. And I'm hard. Not a great swimmer. So by the time I get to where I can even stand up. I'm done.

Like it's over with. And like I'm still got 20 yards when I was able to stand up to walk across this rocky reef to shore. And like I'm just, my legs are not working. They're rubber at this point. Definitely need to do more cardio.

I hate cardio. But the need was made very apparent. If I'm to go out there and do hood rat shit, I need to be. A little bit better shape on the cardio side. So we finally get to the beach and like I can barely stand up.

We got a 400 yard near vertical climb to get to this temple. Right? Yeah. For people unaware of Epstein's temple, just Google it. Like it's this little cube up on a cliff.

And while Epstein had it was like painted to look like a muslim temple. It's like you know, blue and there's gold get stripes. It looks like like. Yeah. Yeah.

Looks like something you would see is real colors. Yes. Yes. That's actually a very good point. And currently it's you know, it's all painted gray and boarded up.

And I want to be very explicit about this. We had no intentions of trying to go inside the temple. Like we were not there to enter any dwellings or like we just wanted to get pictures with our flags.

And for on the temple and stick 20 foot flag pulling the ground, which we never end up

doing because we got caught. Did you see any activity on the way up? Yeah. Yeah. You could see them running around and we thought they were golf carts.

They were ATVs. So you definitely see people in the island. And at this point I'm assuming, you know, it's like crowns keepers. This deck off billionaire guy has turned it into a resort. So those must be his employees.

Later find out that wasn't the case. So we made it to the temple. We got our pictures, you know, with our flags up there. So I brought you the flag. Get the fuck out of here.

I brought you the flag. Yeah. Hold on. Actually, I had a set of the flag you brought. This is the flag that you know, I lived in.

I lived in the eastern island and was in front of his temple. And Lars got the pictures. So I don't know. Holy shit. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's for you. I accidentally left it in Georgia. Oh, you know what? I need to get a picture.

You held that. I accidentally left it in Georgia. And so my business partner had to go to my house yesterday. And overnight that to y'all's PO box at the UPS store. They got it made it.

That was a panic attack. So we get up there. You know, we take our pictures of the flags. And like you can see the ATVs come in. And they're coming deep.

There's like forum. And like you can just tell by the way, they're driving their piss. And so I was still unable to breathe or really stand. So I'm thinking of my head like, yep, I'm about to get a misdemeanor charge.

15 minutes maybe. Maybe 10. I don't know.

“And you know, the two guys that are on the island want to me.”

They don't have criminal backgrounds. They're former feds, you know. And so if anybody's taken a charge today, it's going to be me. I don't know how many messed me in your convictions I have. But adding one more to the mix isn't the end of the world for me.

So they were able to get back to the boat. I was definitely not. I ended up collapsing like on this hillside full of cactus. Browse pulling cactus thorns out of my leg for two weeks. It was so bad.

So sorry. I sit down. I mean, I didn't have any choice. Like I physically could not continue.

So I sit down and basically I'm on the bait at this point.

All of the security guys are coming to me. Wow, the other two guys make their way back to the boat. And like they're they're helping. They're being nice. I can tell by the accents that I can hear him talk to each other.

They're Haitian, you know. I heard him speak in Creole, we worked. Some Haitian refugee stuff a few years back. So I don't speak Creole, but I definitely recognize it. And so when I realized they were Haitian, I was like, I can probably, you know, make buddies with them.

Just tell them some stories about the work we did and the refugee camps and stuff. I couldn't breathe enough to talk at this point other than asking for water. So I hadn't started that process of trying to make friends out of them. But that's when my head was.

So they finally get me up and after multiple times I've fallen back into cacts.

I was trying to get up this hill. I finally made it to the trail up top. They told me, you know, we'll get you some water and I'm thinking, okay. You know, here comes my Mr. Minner charge. It's everything's fine.

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I like things fucking God, dude. I thought I was about to die. That's how I grab a water. She knocks it out of my hand. I mean, like, violently knocks it out of my hand.

And then she grabs the rest of the waters in the ATV and throws him down a hill. And I was like, I might have a problem now. It became quickly apparent that she's calling the shots. And everything those guys have just told me is bullshit. So I go to sit down in her ATV, which she told me to sit down.

And then she tells the hasten to him behind her and tie me up. I'm like, well, this is odd. It's not normally what happens when you're, you know, trespassing. And they have guns. No, they didn't have guns, but like, I was so gas.

There was no resistance, even though I wanted to. And plus there's, you know, six, seven of them wanted me. So even if I had energy to resist or flee, I don't think I'd have done it at this point. I also had no idea what was about to happen. You know, if I had known what was coming, I would have found the energy to somehow resist or run.

He's sitting behind me and he's, you know, through the little gap in the seat.

Just puts a rope kind of loosely around my hands. And so I'm like, thinking, you know, it's sitting the end of the world. It's no big deal. Whatever. I'm a, you know, weight on the place to come.

No big deal. And so she drives us down to the dock. And I know now who she is. Her name's Emory Pollyon. I'll explain more about who she is here in a bit.

The drive is down to the dock. Once I'm at the dock, this Hispanic dude comes up and tightens the ropes on my wrist behind me. And then they tie me to a pole on the dock. And then he ties my feet.

“And I'm like, this is getting weird or weird, right?”

But in my mind, I'm sitting on this dock waiting on the police because the police have to come to the dock to get me, right? And I'm expecting, you know, police to come, give me a misdemeanor citation. I'm trying to figure out, like, well, how am I going to get back to St. John? I don't have a phone.

I've got nothing. I have absolutely nothing at home. I've got boots. And my wife and monsters bathing suit. I didn't have a shirt.

And it was hot. Like I was, I was roasting. Um, Emory gets a phone call about this time. Um, I've probably been who Emory, the black female that was driving ATV. Uh, so I've probably been tied up for about an hour.

Maybe 30 minutes at this point. I don't have time as elusive. Uh, I was definitely, you know, heat exhaustion was setting in. Uh, I was dehydrated as hell. I inhaled a bunch of sea water on the way up.

And then obviously that huge physical exertion trying to get up there and then get away. Um, she gets fungal and she answers on speaker and calls the woman on the other end. Mom. And I'm like, that is very strange. What is going on?

Um, and mom tells her to ductate me and put me in the dungeon. And I'm thinking I'm ahead. What an awful choice of words for somebody who works for a billionaire trying to rebrand this island from what it used to be. Oh, why would you call it the dungeon? It is a strange thing to say.

Um, and. Well, that's strange her mom right her mom. Um, and I'm thinking I'm ahead like this lady's just trying to scare me. Uh, and you know, they're taking pictures of me the whole time. And I was not about to let them know I was freaked out.

So I would smile at them like, and I'm trying to irritate them a little bit. But also let them know like I'm I'm good.

You might remember from the last time we talked that this was not the first time I've been kidnapped.

Um, and so I'm trying to stay as calm as I possible. Yeah, or actually was pretty damn calm at this point. You know, uh, no big deal. Uh, I'm getting a misdemeanor citation. I just got to sit through this bullshit while these people harass me until please get there.

So, uh, what could you see your, your buddies? No, they were long gone. They were long and they had to be. Okay. Uh, because of their backgrounds and the lines of work there in today,

the trespassing charge is going to harm their livelihood. I've got to help it suspect. You know my background. I think I care about an unremisteminer.

“I really think, you know, um, thank God.”

I'm not a felon. And I knew I wasn't facing any felon either. But a misdemeanor who cares, man. That's what I'm thinking at the time. I didn't realize in that moment that the Virgin Islands can actually give you 30 days in prison

for misdemeanor trespassing. I thought it was a citation. I was wrong. Uh, so hindsight being 2020, I probably should have researched that. A little bit more.

Um, so they, she gets off the phone with mom. And uh, the Haitians in the Hispanic dude go to look for duct tape, which they can't find. But they did find flex cuffs.

It's like third red flag.

Why the fuck do you have flex cuffs on it? I'm staying island. So they put me, you know, the zip-timey. I've got flex cuffs, half inch zip ties and a rope at this point. Um, and they tell me to go to the ATV.

Well, this dog's like, I don't know, 50 yards long. And I'm hobbled. And they make me start hopping down this dog to the very last ATV in line to transport me somewhere else.

“You remember monkey fuckers that you stepped in PT?”

No, sir. Let me demonstrate. The monkey fucker. Or you get holdin' and stuff like this and that's basically what I'm doing. For 50 yards down this dog.

I've got, like, I don't know, a foot between me and this row of ATVs of doc to hop on and the ocean on the other side of me.

I'm gonna fall in.

And she started Emory starts joking you know, maybe this just kicked me in since I'm so thirsty.

And I'm like, these motherfuckers about trying to make me drown. So I'm still hardly able to breathe, like terribly dehydrated. Like, all I can think about is one of water. And I'm having to do monkey fuckers down this whole last dog to get to their ATVs so they can take me to wherever they're going to take me to the dungeon. That's what they call it.

And again, I'm still thinking they're just trying to scare me. Well, we get to the dungeon. And I quickly realized, like, they weren't trying to scare me, they legit have a dungeon.

“And I think we gave Laura a sky view satellite view from Google Earth and this thing.”

It's like this door in the middle of a hillside. The roof is grass, you know. And inside, it's like this 10 by 20 dungeon. Like, there's nothing. It's just a cement room.

The optics.

I'm thinking there's a point on that room.

Right. Yeah. But I had no idea at this point who these people were. So none of this is clicking in my head, really. Like I know I want to abstain on.

I know the history. But I wasn't nearly as freaked out as I should have been. Right. They throw me in this room. It's like 120 degrees in there.

And they come add duct tape. And now to my ankles, my knees. Mom calls again. And they keep answering this bitch on speakerphone. Just I'm positive. They're trying to like, sigh out me and terrify me even more.

And she tells them to make sure I'm in the corner of that room. So the breeze from the doorway cannot reach me.

“And I'm dreading that happening because the breeze felt like the only thing that's keeping me conscious.”

She tells them to continue denying me water. I hear her say over the phone. If it was up to me, I would just shoot every one of these motherfuckers. The Haitians keep referring to the woman on the other end of the phone as the owner of the owner of the owner. Emory leaves.

I'm trying to talk to the Haitians. Please get me some water. Please get me some water. And they're like, look, if you think this one's bad, just wait to the owner gets here. So repeated references made to the owner.

So I'm still thinking like the owner is Steve Dekoff. And maybe they're talking about his wife or something. I don't know how many hours have passed at this point, but it was a bunch.

Finally, the owner shows up who a later figure out was mom, who was on the phone with Emory every time.

She comes, like, Emory had come back and given me water. Like, I had been trying to work, you know, my magic on human connection with her and the Haitians this whole time. And I think it finally started paying off a little bit because she did come back with ice cold water.

“And, you know, she poured it in my mouth for me.”

And it was like a different persona than the Emory that had me down there near the beach. Like, you could tell she was angry just shit in the beginning. So mom gets there. Now I know who mom is today. I did not at that moment.

Her name is Anne Rodriguez. And she is Emory Pully on the mother. She gets there furious. And I don't understand why she's so mad. Like, I was just going to take a picture and leave the island.

We weren't even trying to interact with people. They were hundreds of yards away until they saw us and came to us. Like, I know I was trespassing. I'm aware of that, but the level of vitriol come from this moment towards me made zero sense to me at the time. Um, is she the legit owner?

I don't know. I don't know. We'll get there. Well, no, let's get there. Now I'll tell you who she is.

She was Jeffrey Epstein's property manager. In other words, how do you know about the files? The Epstein files. If you search her name in there, it returns 23,000 results. 23,000 results.

Um, you know, a lot of emails with her call and Jeffrey boss man. Emails of her handling flights and lodging for females. Like, she was managing logistics and I'm maintenance security. To say that, the whole fucking thing is she's just running around out there. Right.

To say it a different way. Not detained. Nothing. Fuck. And apparently kidnapping people.

Uh, so the Haitians, it, she blindfolds me. And at this point, I do get a start getting a little scared. You know, I may have watched an ISIS beheading video or two too many. Because in the blindfold, when I was like, fuck, I'm better get executed.

That's why I'm like, I'm convinced they're going to kill me.

“I still don't know what I just told you.”

I don't know that she's Epstein's property manager. I don't know that Emory Pollyon, I don't know any of that at this point. I just know I'm tied up in a room that this lady calls the dungeon. Side note. The woman that ran the island for Jeffrey Epstein called that the dungeon.

That, that's scary. The scary. So I don't know how much time has passed several hours. I've been in this dungeon. Um, I hear the door open.

Uh, I hear a camera start clicking. And now I'm convinced here comes the beheading. You know, they're going to record it in 4K. Uh, and hand goes in the back of the head. Rips my blindfold off on my get.

Here it comes. They're going to take blindfold off and just cut off my head, you know. And instead of that happening, uh, I'm looking at a virgin island's police department Detective with an evidence camera. Uh, and I just got the biggest shit in here in my face.

I was like, I am so glad to see you. Uh, like knowing I'm probably about to get arrested.

God, I was glad because whatever has been happening is finally over.

So I thought. Uh, I hear a lot of commotion outside the dungeon. Uh, the cop of the evidence camera has stepped out, asked somebody. Can they come cut me loose? Um, and this dude charges into the dungeon.

Uh, young blackmail and just runs it to me. And, and smacks me on the side of my head closed fist. I'm lost. The police are here. This dude's hitting like, what is going on?

So I got all these thoughts going through my head like I'm a god of the cops.

“And I'm like, well, what is actually going on right now?”

Um, instead the cops grabbed him, dragged him out. All right. Uh, I hear Emory screaming outside. It wasn't him. I wasn't him.

I thought she's talking about the dude that just hit me. She's actually talking about me because what I forgot was that I heard her screaming over the radio earlier, uh, that somebody had pushed her down on the beach. Now, I didn't see that because I was detained by the Haitians. Uh, and we've actually got the receipts.

I don't, I don't think anybody pushed her, uh, down. Um, but Paul, who was apparently her boyfriend, thought I was the one who pushed her. She's pregnant. I'd have hit me too. Like, I'd have hit me in front of the cops, even.

You know?

So when they finally cut me loose, I go out there.

I see Paula handcuffs from the back of one of these ATVs. And I straighted up to the cops like, if that kids in handcuffs right now, because of what just happened to me, please take them out. Like, I don't want to press charges. I'm good.

You know, I'm fine. Everything cool. Uh, if you thought I pushed his pregnant girlfriend down while trespassing on her. I don't, I don't, whatever. I, I don't beat the hell out of me, you know?

So I'm trying to get him out of trouble. Uh, and that's when it dawned on me that the cops are a lot more concerned about this than I was. They told me we're not taking anybody at handcuffs until we figure out who hog tied you. And then the gravity of what is going on starts setting in. And there's 15 or 20 cops out here.

And they're much more interested in why I'm hog tied than they are. And the fact I was trespassing. Um, I hear the Haitians and Anne Rodriguez talking, uh, and reference was made to, you know, this is the seventh time this has happened. Uh, and I'm like, what the fuck?

“This is the seventh time, so you're like, well, what's actually going on here?”

So, uh, the cops takes down their fast boats. They've got two of them there. Um, I'm still not in handcuffs. Uh, Paul still is, and they take us all back to St. Thomas. Um, they let us get out of the boats.

Uh, and one of the detectives that had been asking me all these questions. I didn't want to give a statement. I just wanted it to be over with. You know, and I didn't think I was getting arrested. Uh, I was just going to let bygones be bygones, like, you know, whatever your hog tied me.

You're kidding me. But I trust fast. We'll call it even that kind of thing. Uh, I don't stress too much about things. Well, one of the detectives comes over and tells me that Anne is insisting on doing a citizen's arrest.

I'm like, what does that mean? Uh, like technically for a citizen's arrest, she needed to tell me. She's placement of her citizens's arrest back on the island. Like, this was like way too late at this point. But the cops are kind of their hands.

They feel like their hands are tied. Um, they're going to have to go ahead and charge me. So they take me back to the station. And, you know, I'm expecting that because the citizens' rest wasn't done the correct and legal way that they'll probably end up just cutting me loose. When we get back to, uh, the GBI, the GBI general investigations bureau on St. Thomas.

And I realize like, they're not letting go. I am going to have to go to jail. I was like, well, in that case, I will give a statement. I'll tell you everything. Um, you know, so they, you know, got to record a video statement from me.

Um, only probably better because it was much pressure on my mind, right?

“Um, and after that, they're like, well, do you have anybody you can call who can come post your bond?”

I was like, yeah, I was actually, you know, I was prepared for this. Uh, I had bond money at the boat. Um, uh, let me call Ryan. And so I called Ryan, um, and he comes down there. And when he gets there, he, I had completely forgotten about this.

They're wanting him to give a statement. And he drops the bomb on him. Oh, by the way, I'm a lawyer. And so I was like, oh, yeah, he's a lawyer. So the cops go ahead and let him know because they're assuming he's my lawyer.

He's not, um, I don't think he's licensed practice. He's been a law school in past tomorrow, whatever. They tell him that they're going to charge the people in the island with kidnapping. Uh, I can't remember if it was false imprisonment or unlawful detention. Something along those lines and assault for what happened to me.

Now those charges haven't dropped yet. I'm assuming they have to go to a grand jury for that to happen. Um, they, they've, oh, Paul, the kid that hit me walks past, you know, and apologizes to me. And I'm still trying to get him out of trouble.

Like, I, I don't feel like he should have been, uh, mixed. But being honest, the way he acted, the way the Haitians acted.

“Like, I think they're all scared to end, too.”

I really do. Um, they booked me into jail. Cops, cool scrap, the whole time. I love Virgin Islands, police department. I like the, I didn't have a shirt on the S.V.U.

Sergeant gave me her, her Punisher T shirt. Everybody was being cool as crap. Um, they booked me into jail with my cell phone. Like, to book me right back out, you know, press bond. And I ran into Paul in the lease.

We fist bond, like everything seems cool, you know. Um, and we get back to Airbnb. Uh, I recorded a video while it was all fresh in my mind, which, uh, Lars got that. Um, and they tell me I got to be in court Monday, uh,

which was a little stressful because my flight home was Monday. And at this point, I wanted nothing more than to just go back home. Um, so Monday rolls around. And, uh, we got a court, uh, me and Ryan. He's not been arrested.

So he's just there with me. Uh, and we're, we go in from my, they, they did a little different

down there, like, and met this figure rest at your first court.

Here, he's your arrangement, right? Down there, they did a probable cause hearing first. Says my probable cause hearing. And, uh, I get to hear the probable cause statement that the police have put together right out loud and court.

And that's when I first learned Paul's name, Emory's name, and his name. Um, but it's also where I learned that VIPD responded to that island, not for trespassing. Somebody called them and reported a kidnapping.

Me. So I don't know who did that. Um, we've, we've asked for the normal one calls, but my gut tells me it was one of those Haitians. Dude, I think somebody on that island was scared of what was about to happen.

Because nobody on my boat had a clue had been kidnapped at all. They were clueless. They thought I was being detained for trespassing. Um, we decided to stick around and court because we heard Anrodriacaz's name in my probable cause statement.

And we noticed, Anrodriacaz has court this morning, and she's in custody. That's strange because I know her, she hasn't been invited on kidnapping me yet. What's going on? So we sit to that appearance, too. And as it turns out, a month prior,

or maybe a little more than a month, I think it was like a March first.

She kidnapped a Spaniard at gunpoint. What were running to drone on the island? Yeah, kid and made it hymn strip. But as naked and hogtied him, too. Uh, the Spaniard's brother was able to escape on boat.

Got the police. The police came back and found the, the dude hogtied but naked in the boat.

“Um, and so that's what she was in custody for.”

It was kid-depping this dude at gunpoint. Now it turned out to be a fake gun, but that doesn't matter. You can't, you know, use a BB gun to kidnap someone. Um, so there's obviously a pattern of this. And so now the pieces start kind of coming together.

You know, I heard the Haitians say this has happened seven times. Well, now I know of two times Spaniard and me. What happened to the other five guys? Uh, or were they just, you know, running them out? Maybe it didn't happen seven times.

Maybe it's only happened twice. But clearly there's a pattern of this behavior. Uh-huh. Um, you know, hindsight, I don't know. That she intended for me to leave that island.

Like I, I don't know what the actual plan was.

She lives on it in this gigantic mansion.

I assume because that's selling residence on the whereupon the island. The guys on the island that worked, they referred to hers the owner. She's kidnapping people and throwing them in a room. She calls the dungeon. Like, what the fuck is going on?

And why? With the release of all these files and all the public outprior Epstein.

“Why am I the only guy that's been arrested for being on that island?”

You know, like, do I? Yeah. Spucked up, Sean. I have more and more feel like we live in an occupied country. What just happened with Matthew is kind of a scary example of that.

I mean, Joe Kent's resignation. Epax literally bragging about buying that election. 100% up. We're an occupied country. Yeah.

There's no other way to look at it. There's no other way to look at it. And the begs the question, like, our president is saying is a 99% approval rating in Israel. What's he got?

“Like, I think it's down to like 30% or something.”

I mean, I got a check, but we check it on the break. It scares the hell out of me. You know, it scares the hell out of me. Oh, then they still-- What scares you about it?

What scares me about it? I have nine kids that have to grow up in this nation. I have helped. I don't even know how many people at this point escape a life of addiction, so that they're able to become functional members of society again.

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“Do you think the America that you grew up believing in was the real thing?”

At this point, I don't even know. And it honestly hurts me to say that. It hurts to think about it. You know, I have believed in American exceptionalism, my entire life. And more and more I've started realizing that I don't think either political party believes in that.

I think they view, I think they view America as a means to an personal gain. Both of them. You know, if you watch me ever on social media, I love politics. I believe in maximum rights for maximum people all the time, which I believe will just make me a libertarian. But like I'm out there trying to save lives in some of the most impoverished communities in America.

I'm trying to move the NATO from marginalized communities. I've fought genocide ever since. You know, it's, we've done all these things in suffering. And what I'm seeing is that our own government seems to be fomenting suffering. Right here at home.

And abroad, obviously. But I'm just lost, man. I'm lost. And the more I do these weird things that I keep getting myself pulled into. The more I start seeing that something's fucked up.

There's a boogey man out there somewhere. And I can't figure out who it is or where it is. I know the feeling.

You know, the first time I came on here, I thought a state department was the boogey man.

Because they were in our way and everything in Afghanistan. And then I started thinking maybe the FBI is the boogey man. Because this and that and they're getting in the way and everything we're trying to do. Combating human, you know, that was this or all just extensions. I just went to Afghanistan.

And I was trying to bring light to that with a dude from the state department and a couple people from the FBI. Like they're, they're not the boogey man either. Something is, there's something pulling the strings. And I think we both know what it is. And it was real.

Yeah. Yeah. This is real. I'm not, I don't even fucking care anymore. Yeah.

I don't believe them, right? You've got security. I don't. I don't care, I don't care, right? I know, but I mean, if somebody wants you dead.

Yeah, you know what you're exactly. It doesn't matter how much security you got. Yeah, it's Israel. It's Israel. Our nation has been sold.

Well, you're not goodbye nation.

“And I honestly feel like Afghanistan is tied into that.”

And I'm million different ways.

And, you know. I don't know what I've stepped in. I don't. I'm a little bit scared. I don't regret it.

I've, I've gone up against our government before. And they have, can you back? You know, I've been in front of Congress. And like, straight up to all of them. You guys fucked up.

You got a crackhead responsible for safe housing. America's first interpreter to go over on terror. If that doesn't show you that you fucked up and screwed up, you job. I don't know what does. I've got no problem going up against our own government.

But I don't know what I'm going up against this time. I really don't. I don't know if there's a billionaire on the other side of this. They've sued me now. So do you.

Yeah, they sued me civilly. The entity that owns the island, L.S.J.V.I.L.C. And if that is actually owned by a billionaire, that's a terrifying thing that I'm being sued by a billionaire. The way the lawsuit reads that makes me wonder,

“is there actually a billionaire involved in this at all?”

Or is this all in Rodriguez? They accused me 30 seconds of Googling me or just asking their favorite A.I. could have prevented the absurdity that is their affidavity against me. They called me a very violent man. There's not one shred of evidence to back that up.

In fact, I've got a global cracker. I've got a very public global cracker of combating violence and genocide and human rights pieces. They said that my lengthy drug use, which I mean, that's accurate.

I've been very open about that.

It means that I'm basically insane and subject to conspiracy theories.

But I'm not in the conspiracy theories. Not even a little bit. The lawsuit they filed against me was basically slanderous and flanotory. But it still scares me.

Is there a billionaire behind this? Is it real behind this? What am I actually getting myself into at this point? And I'm not afraid to take it on big issues. You know, your team saw that in Memphis.

I will step in the middle of the biggest polish

“that I don't hear if I think I can make a difference.”

And so far, I've not found anything where I can't make a difference. And I think that's something intrinsic to all of us. We can all make differences and really big things. But whatever I'm in the middle of now, I actually am going to make a difference.

And what is the risk level? I have just exposed myself to trying to do that. I saw an article today before we came here. I think it was the New York Post, a lady. And somewhere in the Southwest, a journalist.

Rain a piece about Epstein's CIA ties. She's just announced that she's leaving the country because she's been subject to DEW attacks. Now, is she crazy or is that real? I mean, it seemed like a curtable outlet on the story.

But that, I mean, that terrifies the show to me. She's talking about Epstein. And this has happened. And there's this little lady on TikTok who covered my arrest. She said she's been having people like show up

at her house at weird hours, kicking the door. And I'm not having anything weird like that happened yet. But is it coming? What have I opened my kids up to at this point? And all I was trying to do is shed light on that damn island.

And we have uncovered a hell of a lot more than we ever intended to. You can't get to the bottom of the entity that who owns it. So I have not been able to. It is a Delaware LLC. Public articles, you know, said Stephen Deckoff bought both owns.

Greater St. James and little St. James and one transaction. Pulling the property tax records. And we've done all this since my arrest. Pulling property tax records. You can see that black diamond dollars.

That's known is pay in the property taxes on great St. James. There's this other entity that is paying the property to L.S. J.V.I. Little St. James Virgin Islands LLC that is paying the taxes and little St. James. Why?

“If you own both of them, why not have your entity paid the taxes on both of them?”

Why not have your entity on both of them? Why have this mysterious shell company on this other one? When you publicly said you bought it. I'm not saying that that in and of itself is anything nefarious.

There could be a million financials.

Maybe that's why he's a billionaire. And I'm not, you know, he knows what to do with money. But it begs the question, like, what is actually going on? What is actually going on here? Because I don't see that island getting turned into a resort.

And look, I'll tell you this. If I'm a billionaire and I buy the world's most notorious island for pedophiles. And I want to rebrand it and change the public perception of it. The very first thing I'm going to do is fire every mother fucker that works for the last guy who is trafficking kids that island.

I'm not keeping his property manager. And if she kidnapped a guy, Mark's first, I'm not leaving her on the island. So April 25th to do it again. These are all giant red flags that to me makes it seem like there's not actually a billionaire in the picture. You don't get to become a billionaire, but being, you know, reckless.

And those seem like some pretty reckless, like, really disastrous PR moves right there if, if they're true. Wow. What do you think?

“I mean, honestly, and I hate to say this because of how hard I have fought to change the things that bother me.”

I think our nation's fucked.

The mass selection, you know, shot me. Shot me. Do not expect that. We've got good people in Congress. You know, Rokana, you've set down Rok.

We've gotten anti-mase. Massy. There are good people trying not massing anymore. I don't know, man. I don't know.

You don't think any of them are good. See, I think. Here's the difference between me and you. I think somebody's good. Right.

And that's, that is my perpetual problem.

And this is just the other day.

Saw something else. It's just my deep. I don't even like bringing anybody on anymore because I get it.

“I mean, that's, you know, yes, do I think there are people good in there?”

Probably. You know what, but now it, let's actually. Like, like, my like role. I like massy. I like, I just, I don't, I don't know, man.

I think, because every time I vouch for somebody, I interview somebody. I don't really vouch for anybody. I was about to say interviewing is not the same as me. I don't, I don't really vouch for anybody, but every time I, I believe in, every time I get, I believe in whatever.

I just always wind up. It was just all fucking lies. It was all bullshit. Yep. They're all being the same fucking drum.

And that's it right there. And like, you just rattled one of those people off. I just saw one of those people that you rattled off do a tweet. We're not sending our money anymore to Somalia. We're not going to send it to Russia.

We're not going to send it to Russia. We're not going to send it to China. We are. We're not going to send it. Yeah.

And damn it. And I looked under there. You know Nick Funtase. Yeah. Nick Funtase leaves a comment under there.

He goes, ah, I think you may have forgotten one. Like, oh, yeah. Real. Yeah. Like, oh, it was Nancy.

It's like, oh, okay. I mean, forgot the one fucking country that everybody, all of your fucking constituents are bitching about. But you want to look. You want to look like a fucking courageous hard ass, right?

You know what I mean? And then it's, it's theatrics. I spent the bulk of my life and an idealist and I still am. And I trust everybody. My default is just, I just love everybody.

I love people. You know, and that gets me burned in my line of work. All the fucking time, you know. But having to face the realization that I've been an idealist and just blindly trusting my own government for my entire life.

That one, that one made me sit down for a minute. I'll give you an example of just how brainwashed. It's something brainwashed. I just accept that what got put in front of me for so long.

And then, you know, we did the Afghani Vax.

We did some conflictive act in Ukraine and some other places. So, after October 7th, we did some evax in Israel. And we tried to do them in Gaza, which we did a lot of humanitarian aid in all these other places I just named Tunes. So we tried to do that in Gaza because there's kids starving.

“And in that process, I think me and a lot of the same people that worked at the Afghani Vax,”

we were trying to do this one. And we were all believing Israel's good guys and how horrible this attack was happened, which it was horrible. Over week two weeks may be into this and that meme of the dude saying, "Are we the baddies?" Start going around all these signal chats because we're all it's donning on every one of us in real time.

Israel is not who we thought they were. Israel is not who we thought they were. We're seeing in real time evacuation corridors to prevent death and suffering and get shut down. We're seeing aid centers get hit. You see it's seen it in Lebanon right now.

We were seeing it in Syria. Hell Israel put the al-Qaeda leader in power in Syria. What is it in our country? We invited him. Yes, in the fucking White House.

Yes.

And if fucking, who was it that took a selfie with him?

I don't know. Probably Trump. Wow, I'm sure. Yeah. You know what?

I'm going to catch a lot of flack for saying this and don't mean it the way it sounds. But actually I do. Everything is faking gay. All of it. Everything that is getting pushed down our throats from almost every legacy media out.

What? Everything. What you just told me about maces and greetings. I didn't see that. And it did.

Honest fucking joke. It's all. Like that. Well, you know what? Are you a Christian?

Absolutely. Okay. That's what I think. Saving.

“I think it's the same fucking government that, you know what I mean?”

The same fucking government that happened when 9/11 happened. Yep. We're growing up and all this shit. Well, there's a veil being lifted. All these.

I mean, nobody's. Look. How much shit has the Clintons and the Trump's talked about each other? How much shit have we heard from Donald Trump saying? I'm going to fucking drain the DC swamp.

Oh, yeah. Bro, the DC swamp just got handed to you on a silver platter. There are a bunch of pedophiles. Yeah. It's in the pizza gate, shit.

It's in the Epstein. It's in everything. There you go. There you go. Now you can drain the swamp.

Is he going to drain it? Nothing's half-unk now. He's not in the fountain. Because he is the fucking swamp. He's in there with all the rest of them.

They're all buddies. And this veil is getting lifted.

“And, you know, we've, I mean, what is Christianity's sake?”

Don't idolize any idolize it. Yeah. Period. Well, we've idolized George Bush. We've idolized Obama.

We've idolized Biden. We've idolized Trump. We're idolized. All these fucking people. Yeah.

You know what I mean? And now this veil is being lifted. These are the people that you've idolized. Mm-hmm. This is what they've done.

Right. This is, this is how they live. They live by a different set of rules. And that's what's happening. It's all being unveiled.

And we're saying this is why you don't idolize fucking human beings. Bingo. Bingo. And you're seeing it happen. Not just with politicians.

You know, it's the athletes. Watching grown men almost fetishize. A politician is the most bizarre thing in the world. But made seem a weird and idolizing athletes. And more and more I am seeing that veil being lifted.

I think it's one lot of my content is going viral lately. You know, everybody is starting to realize that there is a war going on. And it is us first then.

But it's not the us first then.

Everybody thought it was. You know, this is. Our nation is rotting from the top down. And I think she just said we're a fucking declining nation. Trump agreed with them.

Right. Because we are. We are. And I think it's going to continue declining. As long as we we look at this as though.

One side or the other is going to fix it. Like I'm watching perfectly rational human beings. Trash brilliant solutions because it came from the wrong team. That's fucking retarded. I think I've really do think it's on purpose.

It's got to be. I think the abortion stuff. I think the race stuff. I think second amendment stuff. This is shit that we're going to battle back and forth until the end of time.

It is because we're being pushed. It because this false it keeps us in the loop.

How everything has to be just two choices black and white.

You know, either. Your pro abortion and you want to murder babies. Or your anti abortion and you want, you know, women to die in childbirth. Those aren't the only two fucking options. We can accept that abortion is tragic and should be limited but is sometimes necessary.

It's that's not the point. Like these people don't do. We have Lindsey Graham and there who has no fucking kids. Why is that guy give a shit?

“What happens to the country when he's fucking dead?”

He has no kids. He has no fucking future. There's no link to look out for. How the fuck did that guy get elected? South Carolina.

It's a great question. We would ever. He's one of the of however many of the same. Yeah. You know, it's.

It's. I think we're leading up to a holy war. Oh, not going to be fucking nations. Yeah. I mean, I want to be a solution based.

I think there's a way out of this but everybody's got to be on the same page. Well, and you just hit the nail in the head. That is the way out of this is we have to all come together as Americans and realize. Well, I will say that Israel is the one thing since 9/11. I've seen everybody rallying around.

Get off our fucking tip. Yep.

“We're tired of paying for your fucking education.”

We're tired of paying for your universal health care. We're tired of paying for your fucking iron dome. We're tired of paying for your fucking missile defense. We get shit. We're.

We are a fucking cow pasture for Israel. We're tired of fighting your fucking wars. We're tired of dying for your fucking causes. And everybody sees that the United States of America is nothing but a fucking cow pasture full of cattle to fucking. Send tax money and fight their fucking wars.

Everybody. And apparently protect their pedophiles. Everybody knows. Except. I don't know.

A portion of the baby boomer generation. Hey, you know what. I'm actually glad you brought that up. I'm going to group text with a bunch of evangelicals. Baby boomer men. And this topic actually, I don't know how I ended up there. This topic actually came up the other day.

And I speak my mind, you know me. And so I dropped a couple examples of things I personally witnessed while we were working the Gaza situation. And they actually went and did the fucking research and came back and I'm like, "Holy shit, you're right. Israel's not what I thought it was." That blew my mind to have, you know, 65-year-old dudes that are part of the baby boomers that have been all pro-Israel for the whole lives now realizing. I've been lied to.

I've been lied to. And I think if we get more Americans to wake up to that fact and recognize that we've been lied to. That we've been presented false, you know, two choice narratives where there could be a third option. Actually, the reason we're sitting here is a great example of that. We were told Epstein killed himself.

And then this huge fight breaks out that, "No, Epstein didn't kill himself."

You know, we never got to consider that third option.

Maybe motherfucker left that jail so alive. And I think that's probably how Israel, the mainstream media, our federal government,

“that's how they have been keeping us so divided.”

We're given two choices to argue about. Meanwhile, there's a third option that's reality out there. You know, just like the example I just gave with abortion. We're faced with this just one way or the other. And we don't even get to consider the third way of the second amendment.

One way or the other, don't consider the third way. And so many things tend to exist in that gray area. They have to have those to keep us polarized, to keep us fighting. The bullshit that I've seen play out on the line between blacks and whites blows my fucking mind. I haven't seen anything about it at all.

It's a gray area. No, that's dead. That's a dead argument now. But it's a great example of the bullshit because you guys get to see it when you came to Memphis. It's not real.

You go to the worst streets in America. There's nobody gives a fuck. That is one of those problems that really only exists in people's heads and online. It's a manufacturing factory. It's a manufacturing division.

And that same playbook keeps getting used for every major societal issue. It keeps people on the loop. But the loop is dying. I think it is. The loop's going to die with the baby boomer generation.

I mean, 85 percent.

I read this 85 percent of Gen Z is tired of the bullshit with Israel.

85. 85 percent. Yeah. I think Gen X. That's probably.

How old are you? I don't know if you're like me. We don't know if we're Gen X or Millennials. Millennials. But 55 percent of Gen X tired of the bullshit with Israel.

I can't remember Millennials.

But it's over more. It's over. It's over. It's. It's.

“It's going to die with the baby boomer generation.”

That the. The.

They're the last supporters of this shit.

Now whether anything changes or not who the fuck knows. You know what I mean? But. It. An entire new party has to be elected.

It has to be elected all the ones. I talked about this. Thank you. How do we make it? And that's why I like.

Like I really do. I like role. I like Eli Grant. Me and Eli. I've.

I've been. We have wildly different opinion. Yeah. Fucking wildly different opinions. And everybody I know.

But. And that's okay. Yeah. You know. But.

And that's okay. Yeah. You know, but. Eli's kind of on the other end of this. I think maybe.

But, but you know what? Like that's a guy that emails his constituents. And they tell him how to vote. And I don't know any other fucking. That is exactly how it's supposed to.

Exactly. And you cannot. Fault. A man for doing what his constituents want him to do. Yeah.

That's literally his job. Yeah. And.

“Yeah, I really like I really like mass there's a couple other people that I think maybe there's some hope, but in order to create the new system”

No, sorry everybody has to go everybody has to bring combat has not yet any remnants left. I could not Everyone has to happen at once. It can't be a fucking president. It can't be a senator here and there are a couple of com it has to happen All at once as much as possible all at once. I know not everybody's up for election all at once But there has to be some type of a uniparty You know

So everybody comes together and it is against the Republican party and it's against the DNC And it has to be all and in and in and they have to run on the fact that we're going to amend The Constitution these are the things we're gonna amend. It's gonna be turmoil immense It's gonna be no more money in politics Those are the first things you're gonna do when you fucking pass inside that way because it's gonna get corrupted again

It's only a matter of time before it gets corrupted again, and so When that happens they need to pass what we need them to pass which are those two things It's probably a bunch more shit, but those are the two things like first session after election Get your fucking asses in there. I'm in that Constitution The end now we can go back to fighting about abortion and race and all the other shit

Taking care of term limits would would stop the right I don't think that's it. Oh, I don't mean immediately Yeah, and not by itself. Yeah, we've we've got to stop the insider trading. We've got to stop Anything that allows elected officials to profit from their position here in across the board But I do completely agree. It's gonna take it's gonna take a viable third. I mean, there's just it's it feels like there's so much truth right now being unveiled

Nothing's happening yet. I mean, even when I'm around my phone

I've been I've always thought this you know me and I mean like I mean a couple of guys

Developed in whole application That were unveiling later on. Hell yeah, you know for for for phone privacy and security

“So that's how fucking turned on I am about it that I went out and developed my own damn app because of it”

And it's gonna be called glacier and probably out by the time the show's out But I don't even I don't even every time I say something that I'm not proud of or that I may regret if it hits the public And I'm around my phone. I just look. I'm like, yep, that's that's gonna get unveiled at some point I'm some being serious. I agree because I think I think I think truth is coming to the light now. It just depends on what we're gonna do with it. Yeah, we get it

Well, and that's that's the scary part. It's what if what if all the truth comes out and nothing changes. Nobody does anything Then we deserve what we've got and That's a sad thing to accept it. Remember in the Wall Street Journal that there have never been more Americans leaving the United States as there is Right now real this time applying for dual citizenship

Coming up with contingency plans because there is no confidence in our institution There's no confidence in our people There's no confidence in the country How fucking sad is that

I've spent years arguing that Memphis Tennessee is worth saving. I never thought I'd be having to have that conversation about this country

The people are worth saving hundred percent hundred percent people are always worth saving everybody worth the fuck right now. No, it hasn't been for a while

Yeah, and who killed you think that's where it would kill them

I think killed JFK yeah Well, the signs are pointing you know, I mean Tulsi had the JFK files in our house and the rated or supposedly They raider she came out and said they didn't raider and quit then in next week she resigns. It's all fake and get What's real? There's your next T-shirt I can get to that's the problem. I'm gonna get canceled just for saying that but it's true

It's true You know I just

I open my phone half the time and I'm blown away

It house stupid the majority of people seem to be and then I have to ask myself is this real or the action of this stupid or is this another influence campaign being funded by

“You know, and and that's honestly. I think that's what a lot of this”

Ridiculous stuff we see popping up on long is Not people that already came out there a pants seven a thousand dollars a post supposedly holy shit be pro Israel right seven thousand dollars a post Did you know that's I did not know that and that's our money. I'm sure that we gave them that there I don't know where it comes from. I don't know who got paid who knows that could be some AI fake campaign I don't think so pretty much everybody I know knows about the seven thousand dollars a post but

It's bad It's bad. I mean we got to throw the tweet up of a pack Celebrating the fact that they bought an election and Kentucky. Yeah, you need to throw that Asian But an election racking about buying an election and Kentucky Yeah, about even hiding it

And this is how liberty does and What are we gonna do Okay, I hate to feel so nihilistic about it, but I mean, there's all kinds of crazy shit happen and just our stance on the world how fast it's changing I mean

Just read something the other day about the Canadian pipeline that's now selling The majority of its oil to China to diversify From the United States because we fucking slapped a 25% tariff on them That worked out well. Oh, yeah, oh Trump also came out and said we might have to repay all of these tariffs really

Yeah, I missed that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah So what is this island now so what what is this island now? It appears to be Android regas is hanging out

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That's what it feels like on paper Billionaire Stephen deck off bought it and it's trying to rebrand it and wants to build her is right there If if that's true, I'm a little concerned about his choice of the island of Anagir But I have a hard time believing that that's true You know, I really do time will tell time will tell

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Ryan Dalton you began your career as a human rights lawyer focused on combating child sex trafficking and dismantling trafficking networks You co-founded rescue forensics an intelligence platform that helped law enforcement recover more than a hundred and fifty child victims

you later served as a special agent with the U.S. Department of State's

Diplomatic Security Service and worked in crisis response and intelligence operations supporting federal law enforcement and National Security partners today you are the co-founder of closed horizon a platform focused on restoring integrity To information and in in an era defined by deception most recently you're Most recently you're one of the men alongside Beno and during the little little saint James excursion tied to the Epstein isn't dead campaign Ryan Dalton. Welcome to the show glad to be here

So it's so you were on the you were on this excursion with then yeah, so before we get into Why you think Epstein is so alive? What prompted this? Yeah, we met and

Realize that we felt similarly about this felt similarly that there's something real weird going on here that we couldn't quite figure out So we decided we're gonna go down to the island after having this conversation and Feeling that we are on the same page about you know, Epstein might I love that salt life To bring attention back to that island and back to this issue one of the concerns that we had is that it seems to be

There's distractions that are just one after another. There's there are on war and there's UFO files and

“All of these distractions are pulling attention away from an issue that I think points to a”

Stranglehold on our democracy and our institutions deeper than Epstein and it deserves Continued attention What do you think it is? I think that the Epstein Epstein files reveal a

Child sex trafficking operation that was used as leverage over our politicians by a larger power structure This continues to have a Stranglehold on our institutions and so a blackmail operation a blackmail operation Effective for a long time. Yeah, really effective because it predates the internet This is a blackmail operation that predates the internet that now with the internet People put the pieces together

And it's a lot harder to hide it

“I think that blackmail operation for a very long time was very successful. I think it's still this”

Look at what's going on. Yeah, nobody's talking use nobody's getting arrested. Yeah The only names that I'm aware of that have been unveiled but unredacted is is The victims correct they haven't refilled any abusers names Everything my wrong on that know that there's Some that have forced this like I think that mass you on the house floor

one of the co-conspirators or the document where there were some co-conspirators who were

Listed that he came forward and said here's one of our forget which one it was maybe less wexner But aside from that There's not much of the U.S. has done now foreign countries have some real courage Where they're investigating this and really putting some effort into the Investigation see I thought this because King Charles right

“Prince Andrew Prince Andrew excuse me Prince Andrew did but he's off the hook already isn't he?”

Oh, I don't know the latest status of his yeah, you got arrested Oh, for It wasn't a child abuse crime. I don't believe I believe it was something like conduct unbecoming of his official diplomatic role that he was in at the time But it was an arrest. It's more than we got here. Mm-hmm Fair point fair point

Well

Before we get into it. Are you familiar with poly market? I am here's the context. The market two point two seven million plus dollars in live trading volume on poly market

Results. Yes, only if irrefutable proof is publicly revealed that Epstein is still alive before December 31st 2026 the DOJ has released 3 million plus pages

“2000 videos and a hundred and eighty thousand images”

Wonder what those images are of from its Epstein investigation official records from the NYC Medical Examiner DOJ GOI G and FPI established his 2019 death is suicide by hanging the crowd gives survival confirmation A 5% chance We want proof of life. We want proof of life. Yeah. I mean there's been a number of things

But I dug up, but they've all been to debunked like AI photos You know there was some maniac Florida man posing as Jeffrey F. seeing going down the highway. That's been the debunked I got him right here. I'll read him off real quick claim one

A post on X claiming Israel faked his death gained over six million views. It featured a photo

perpetrarily

“Showing Epstein alive and Tel Aviv sporting white hair and a shaggy beard a second doctor image garnered another 2.4 million”

views the verdict both images were confirmed AI generated or digitally altered Versymage searches trace the originals to unrelated photos one dated may of 2020 after Epstein's 2019 death claim number two active fortnight account a fort nine profile named Little littleist Jeff one appeared active after Epstein's death sparking speculation The account went private shortly after the speculation spread which many took his suspicious confirmation

verdict fortnight confirmed that an existing account owner simply changed their username to Littleist Jeff one after the DOG DOJ Epstein files were released Epstein's email address had no record in the fortnight system claim number three Palm Beach Pete look alike March of 2026 a video of a Florida man driving on i95 went viral with social media users claiming the driver was Epstein and that he was still alive the verdict The man nicknamed Palm Beach Pete publicly broke his silence conferring confirming he is

Simply a private citizen who resembles Epstein he described his situation is phenomenal Florida man Florida man out again claim claim number four this is the last one Maxwell replaced by look alike February 26 after Maxwell's death position in February 26 social media users pointed out to perceived discrepancies and her facial features and voice suggesting a look alike

had been swapped in verdict cbs news compared photos of Maxwell from 2015-2016-2020 and 2020-06 and identified consistent features across all including eyebrow shape, ear structure, lip shape and hair silhouette voice differences were attribute to differing desposition context you got anything that's not those lots of things that aren't those all right yeah and you know i agree with these these are i'm not convinced Palm Beach Pete is anything but a

sign up it's just two on the nose yeah yeah it just is is way too on the nose i don't have any

oh that was the AI photo hey oh yeah so we put together an evidence timeline that walks the reader

“through the evidence and it has to meet a threshold for us more likely than not 51 to 49 percent”

so what we've done is in our disclaimer about how to read this evidence is we've excluded anything that could be a i-related anything that's post a i-era we're not even looking at it and the reason for that is how easy it is to fabricate evidence that can go viral it's not persuasive so what we've done is take in the information from the files themselves and look at the story the files tell the files court documents depositions oig investigations what story does the official release

of the files tell the people who dig into this and so anything outside of those bounds we may

supplement with a news article that confirms a statement but we source all of this very carefully

“where we have the claim and then the sources and the claim and then the sources on each of these”

charges we walk the reader down this because we're making a really big claim you can't do this halfway there's no half measures on this one yeah if you're making the claim that Epstein left that cell alive and you pull on that thread it implicates larger power structures in our government in a deep level of corruption now i just have one question why would anybody want him

alive what would the point of keeping him alive be it can only bring risk yeah so say that you are

Jeffrey Epstein and you have a multi decade blackmail operation going on he was collecting blackmail when you had to put it on a floppy drive he's been doing this for a long time and we know this because the properties that he owned were wired up with cameras this is pretty well established right so he has this large corpus of video and photographic evidence on all the people that he could want to get these on celebrities politicians scientists and he's a master of getting leverage

this appears to be a leverage campaign so if he has this much leverage he's playing a dangerous game in that if it goes sideways on him he has to make sure that he has his own insurance policy and what better insurance policy than retention of all of this evidence as your deadman switch no ship so you don't think this evidence has been shipped out to a bigger entity

“i don't know what happened to the evidence but i think it would be negligent of him to not have”

enough of it that he could say hey listen is this going to be a problem am i going to have to let this out and there's enough people that i think would be persuaded that they don't want that to happen that's my that's my best guess to want to keep him alive what i do know is the government and co-conspirators were highly highly motivated to have a dead defendant or at least the appearance of a dead defendant and the reason for that is criminal discovery so he's arrested for

a sex trafficking offense and it's going through the criminal proceedings process as part of that is discovery where the plaintiff and the defendant surface all the evidence it all comes out now this is pre-release of the files so what's going to come out flight logs phone numbers associates financial records everything that could defend or support the government's position is going to have to inevitably come out in the government and the co-conspirators have no control

over this he could not have gone to trial that would have been a disaster because all the evidence that come out would implicate people all the way up and down the government and probably foreign governments he couldn't have gone to trial and so do you know what stops criminal proceedings the death of the defendant but you have a defendant who has any enormous body of evidence available to blackmail people with and get leveraged on them will then watch your

option the only remaining option is to publicly have a dead defendant and privately make sure there's no loose ends and extract him and this is what the files the evidence supports in the files

as best we possibly can and we know some things that are just very much in the public sector about

him so he's this alleged billionaire financial savant he manages money for people allegedly that have a lot of money but then there are clues in the files that are he says he works for the Rothschilds right yeah that's in the files just a little bit of a heater teal saying that so those are an email to

“Peter teal saying that's what I thought as you know I believe or his words I work for the Rothschilds”

so he's trying to seemingly get an introduction for some kind of tech play it looks like he's making the introduction by doing a little bit of name dropping right like hey there's some money on the other end of this if we're going to talk it seems to be the way the email reads so he has connection with the larger and here's the best piece of evidence we have for this so I've got show and tell for you perfect this was discovered

in the search warrant in New York for one of his properties and what you're looking at is an Austrian passport with his photo a younger Epstein and the alias of Robert Marius this passport appears to be a fraudulent passport so not a fake one a fake passport is when you have a passport it's not a valid travel document right like I make it at home a valid passport can be fraudulent under someone else's name this appears to be valid because he has entry and exit stamps

like the ship the intel agencies do this is our first college passport with a pseudo name yeah

so this is the first connection where we have evidence of this potentially connecting to an intel agency because who can issue valid passports under a different name well there's consular who could do it right under legitimate circumstances and you could make the argument that I will maybe he got a fast one on consular of Austria and he submitted this information and they issued it but under what motivation who's motivating them to get this passport

the other argument is is that was furnished to him and had an operational purpose in either case we know for sure this passport was recovered from his safe with entry and exit stamps with his face and an alias wow where did you get this the file this is in the files so everything to show you today we've pulled from the files or public reporting that can be fact checked all of this can be fact checked again this goes back to no half measures we cannot make a

claim like this without substantial evidence huge risk a reputational risk goes into making a claim that he let that solve life but there's only three options are there he died from suicide in the cell he was murdered or he left the cell alive and of the three the one with the fewest problems is that he left the cell life well put this up on screen what else do we got

“what is I mean where were the stamps to so I think it's on our website I think it's Saudi Arabia”

France and one more but they're documented entry and exit stamps you can see in the countries

I can't recall the third but isn't it what's your website what's the address yeah it's

Epstein isn't dead dot org and this evidence yeah Epstein isn't dead dot org yeah because I was going through this initially out of just pure personal interest I'm a criminal investigator and lawyer by my background and I also care deeply about child trafficking through my career this has been a theme of my career and I have a daughter and so it hits a little harder for me and I'm looking at the files and I use a large language models to

surface the things that are in there that are maybe a little bit harder to find manually

“and I put in together a timeline because that's how a criminal investigator typically thinks is”

in terms of a timeline and I start looking at this information I think no way no way am I arriving

but one of the seductive things about conspiracy is how entertaining they are for many people

this is not something that I find particularly fun but if the evidence continually supports a conclusion we have to stare at that conclusion in its face and see if it's true and so I sent this to probably a hundred people and I was like guys fact check me on this sanity check me on all this I'm not crazy and I send to people and they were like bro you put all this together yeah this is something here and I think that we make a compelling case for it

and if you left that soul alive it demands it the country Congress the DOJ to reckon with that take it seriously I think we know the DOJ and Congress is definitely not going

“to take it seriously that's what I'm afraid of too and maybe not this administration maybe”

not this batch of Congress people but the American people are going to let this one go you don't think so I don't think so they can't because think about what it means if we give up on this one if we give up on a child trafficker brought kids to an island to serve them to the world's elite killed them eight to them and use that as a leverage to get a string of holding our democracy if we let that go just give it all up all of it was any of it matter anymore if that we let this

one go none of it matters anymore and I think the American people intuitively feel this I think they intuitively feel something's wrong but they can't quite put words on it and that's what we tried to

“do so here's what you feel is wrong here's what it is and so we lay it out and make the case for”

him leaving that saw live being the option that has the fewest problems of the three what else you got so follow the money before he dies two days before he dies

he executes a new will and trust that moves five hundred and seventy seven million dollars

into a new legal vehicle that I would structure this way if I was about to fake my death so he meets with his lawyers up to twelve hours a day while he's in prison and the outcome of this is the creation of the 1953 trust we're all of his assets that are known are moved into this trust and this accomplishes two things at the same time the first thing it does is it makes it very difficult to ascertain the

beneficiaries of this money so trust can be created in such a way that the beneficiaries of that are not accessible to the public and so it would allow him to access this money in these assets and around about way through shell companies and through having a state planning that supports the

complexity needed to access this money later the second thing it does is it prevents any of his

assets from going through probate which would also make this public in the probate process he restructures his entire estate two days before he dies now is this complex estate planning for someone who's like you know what I'm about to end my life and I feel like I need to put everything into the right place at the right time for all my money or is it a state planning for someone who wants to get access to those assets after

“they're out of jail and I think that the way that I read it is someone who's suicidal who”

really is about to kill themselves and I don't believe he was like that because he was so obsessed with immortality he was so obsessed with health and all kinds of sort of fringe things about continuing his life onward and he was probably like all billionaire's and sex traffickers have some ego and he's already got a sweetheart deal in 2007 so there's some hubris there

it doesn't sit right it seems more likely that that complex estate planning is in preparation for

“accessing those assets after he's out but a lot of people also think that he was given a choice”

meaning you kill yourself or we're going to do it trying to think if he died in that cell it doesn't explain his escape plan you see in this no there's an escape plan yeah so you're still looking out of here tell me if this is an invasion plan I'm going to do this I'm doing this out of order a little bit but yeah you know they're serious I didn't oh no no well you're familiar I evaded out of that one

so my my partner Alex smart guy and he looked at this I called it an escape plan and he

“rightly correct me said no man this is an invasion plan so I'm going to give you contact for this”

document that you're holding this is the smoking gun for me this is the single piece of evidence that gives me the confidence to have this conversation with you right now you're looking at a two notes there's two pages here of legal paper that we're found in his cell after his alleged death most people are not talking about this at all very little conversation is happening about these documents and it is astonishing to me this is an escape plan so keep

in mind what just happened he just restructured as a state and has set himself up to have access after he leaves and in two days later he allegedly dies and this is record from his cell so what you're looking at some of it's illegible and so I'm not going to speculate about the things that I can't read because his handwriting was atrocious it was super intense that sort of him to have terrible handwriting and make me have to figure this out later on but I'm going to draw attention to some of the things here

that really stand out and the first is do you see in the middle top of the page where red notice

is underlined multiple times a red notice is an inner poll notice that goes out to worldwide policing agencies for a fugitive so why is it guy about to kill himself concerned about red notices this is again on legal paper so I don't know this for sure but this was potentially furnished to him by his lawyers who carry legal paper and not the note as it exists now but that's where he got the paper so were these conversations happening with the people that were there

providing legal counsel to him I don't know but it seems to be based on the time frame they're pretty close to each other for when these would have been written the next thing that really jumps

“out at the top top right next to that dollar sign it says what I believe to be blackmail”

see the dollar sign there and the top right you know next to it that word looks like blackmail to me so what's happening if he gets out he's thinking about where to get money if he's got blackmail on people that's pretty easy like hey man you need just wire me 10 grand a hundred grand a

million dollars whatever leverage he has to get access to money because you got to figure out how

to live while you're out and maybe he doesn't know what he has access to I can't read the word above that I don't know if it says bounty so I'm not gonna speculate further but beneath it definitely says guards guards are a problem you want to get out of a federal prison you get to deal with the guards we can talk about the guards a little bit but he's for sure worried about the guards and then there's some things in between but I can contextualize the things in between

based on the drawing that you see there in the middle right what does that look like to you

looks like some sort of a compound yeah it looks to me like an airport from overhead

“and it looks like an airport because of the word brad so Bradley in our national airport is a”

small regional airport that's two hours away from the Metropolitan Correctional Center so the nearest small airport and if he's going to fly out of there it can't be through legardi or JFK for obvious reasons so it's jet right here too right looks like it says Nigeria above that that's right so above it I mean this is an airport that says brad Bradley in our national airport would be a

great airport to go to if you don't want to deal with customs and you want to have access to

the services expected of someone who has a lot of money so private hangers private runways it has these things and above it it says I can't tell what the middle word is so it either says jet versus prop or jet US prop so that could either be this is a jet or it's a prop plane what kind of vehicle or we will in here or it could be jet US property is he flying out on a US plane because that would have obvious risks carried with it if he's escaping on a US controlled aircraft

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“That was Trump and office then. That's so weird. Yeah. Yeah. I think he goes all over the top.”

So where does he go? Well we don't know we can only speculate but we can see that there's intent here based on these locations that are written. Above Jet versus problem number kind of walking you back up the page it says Nigeria. So the probably of okay location to hide I guess. No one's going to look for Epstein in Africa. Would Qatar and Saudi Arabia be locations and they're very friendly access to money associates there for sure we know that. So the Q and the SA next to Nigeria

could indicate other locations that he's interested in. And into the left of that it says gangsters. See that to the left of the Q and the SA? Yeah. I don't know what that means. But I would imagine if you're someone like him you're willing to make a lot of friends with a lot of people not all of them good people who can get you the things that you need gangsters or people who

And then there's a lot of other things on here that I just don't know what mean. And it would be

to look like a US map. Yeah up here in the middle left. Yeah. It does. It looks like a US map someone said a cow looks like a cow too. It does look like a cow. What do you think this is the redacted portion? I have no idea. But neither though it says computer and then something eligible and then question mark and then VI, which I'm assuming means Virgin Islands. Palm Beach. Oh, that's right. Palm Beach. The PVB. Yeah. Got to be Palm Beach.

So computer Palm Beach question marks VI, Virgin Island. And above that it says G.

“That's what he called Galane. Is G. So he's thinking about Galane and computer or multiple”

computers in Palm Beach and Virgin Islands. And I'd be pretty worried about computers if I were him too. It also, there's one piece on here. It looks like LSR up near the travel port. My best guess on that. And I'm not willing to guess on many of these if I don't feel confident. But LSR seems to be last stop routes. So my understanding is an aviation. This is a term indicating a airfield that is the last on a connecting journey that to get to that airfield would mean it's

relatively remote compared to other airfields. And likely has less immigration and customs restrictions. That's where I'd want to go if I'm trying to evade. What do you think is under LSR? Looks like it says Muslim maybe. It does say Muslim.

Maybe Asia under that. Yeah. I can't make up that third character above it. It says

Muslim. And so I would imagine that Muslim nations would be potentially easy to hide in. It find a remote area and hold up somewhere. You're not going to be looked for in some of them. That's entirely speculation, but it does say Muslim pretty clearly. Why would he have

“read this all down? I thought that too. Why write all this down and then leave it in the cell?”

Why leave your escape plan in your cell? And then I remember it. Oh. Epstein is associates. We're talking over Gmail about raping and eating kids. His Opsac was bad. He didn't give a damn about any of his Opsac about any of this over Gmail. And being in the government, we both know you can't talk about anything over anything or someone's going to suck up those comms. He has decades of not caring. And he'll leave this behind. Someone's

going to sanitize this cell. He's got people that do this for him. My best guess is is there's some hubris here, some pride, and that whoever's redacting these things didn't know what they were

“looking at or they didn't know what they were looking at and our institutions are not homogenous.”

Meaning that some federal agent or lawyer looked at this, redacted only what was absolutely required and allowed us to piece this together. I hope that's the case. Because these people that are performing these reductions took the oath that you and I did to support and defend the constitution and its enemies for an domestic. Even when they come from inside the house,

everybody's just doing their job, right? Yeah, that's the excuse, excuse. It's always the

excuse. I'm just doing my job. Fuck you. Yeah. And they have to reckon with that and there's some that have resigned and I admire that courage because here's the sinister nature of this whole scheme. You can't whistle below on this and bring out the actual best evidence because it's illegal one for classified to for child sexual abuse material. If you transmit that to a reporter you've just earned yourself a strict liability offense or they don't care what your intent was.

sure to pitch too. This is the real zinger, right? So the top of a page two is complaining about

“something. I don't know. He got, he had a bad day. He got locked into the shower or something.”

That's absolutely hilarious. I imagine him sitting in that cell and just dear diary. I had a bad

day. Like he's, he's pretty upset. You flip it over. This second from the top line

says jail out equals 10. He allegedly died in that cell in August 10, 2019. You had four knowledge of the day that he's getting out. So what you're left with in this, this is the smoking gun is you have a escape plan written by a person who knows they're going to be a fugitive about where the nearest airport is, what considerations to avoid, how to get money and

“the foreknowledge of the day that they're going to leave that cell. This is an evasion plan. Wow. You might be right.”

Someone who's going to kill themselves doesn't write this down. You think there's any chances could be a sign up? Yeah. There's layers of signups here. Talk to bottom. This could be a sign up. For sure. When I can't reconcile this and I

thought about this, is this disinformation? I guess that's always possible. But when you take the

totality of it all, this piece into the larger picture that it paints. It makes the most sense that he left that cell live because of the other mistakes that were made in this cover up in the post-present signals of life. In each of these pieces by themselves, don't have equal weight. It's up to the reader to make decisions about which ones weigh the most for them. But you can put mathematical modeling on these. And apply objective standards to them. And this has been done.

And we're going to put up this mathematical model on the website for people who have PhDs and statistics to evaluate. But what we've done, and this is my good friend Nick McKinley,

who runs a nonprofit called Deliver Fund who does amazing work in the counter-trafficking space.

Former CIA guy, PJ, Hero by all accounts, rescued many kids from the horrors of that industry. I'm aware of him. Yeah. He did a mathematical model on this. And he looked at this and he said the smoking gun for him was the statistical odds of this being possible. And he took the 14 largest anomalies. You can group those into cameras, guards, and protocols. For the cameras, we know,

again, all this can be fact checked. Some of them just straight up went down, just like, not we're working at all. Some of them did work, but then the footage is just missing. I just don't know what happened to it. Epstein's cellmate lawyer is trying to get this footage, and it's just file not found. Of the ones that were working, we have a missing minute of footage.

“Gone. Just not there. I know, man. I know. I think I'll be. And then you have”

of the footage that we got, the supposedly raw footage wired showed that that wired magazine showed that Adobe Premiere Pro edited that raw footage. Take those anomalies and compound them with the guards who were every 30 minutes supposed to check on him and they didn't. It fell asleep. They were browsing the internet shopping online. And then the protocol, if not having a roommate, despite trying to commit suicide allegedly. And

despite the Department of Psychology at the prison, who sends out an email to 70 people,

And so now you have a guy in jail who has no guards watching him, no roommate, cameras go down,

and is in the prime position for extraction. The odds of this, all of these failures happening concurrently, based on this model that we're going to allow people to scrutinize as much as they want and argue with us about it, is one, I'm saying I get this right, one in five times 10 to the 30th power. Those numbers are meaningless to me, unless I can put them into an actual something that makes sense in my head and it would be the equivalent of taking a quarter

and flipping heads 100 and 2 times in a row. Not happening. And so this moves us away from

conjecture and conspiracy forums and into mathematical understanding of the odds of this happening. It is effectively impossible, or a mathematician would look at this and say you've made an assumption wrong or there's an error in your reasoning, because if this is what the odds show, this is impossible. He was left in that cell in the prime position for extraction. What do you mean? Well, let's say he was working for the Roth child, like he says he was.

“Do you think they would want him alive? Why did they even arrest him to begin with?”

From the get-go, it was a cleanup job. It happened twice, so he wasn't probably worried about it. It happened once before in Palm Beach and he got a sweetheart deal, which is a whole other rabbit trail that's just astonishing to me. But if you get a guy, this connected. Right, you know what I mean? This connected. Yeah. Why would they even, how would even get booked a jail anyways? Why would they even have a case on them? Don't you think somebody would have

pulled them off? I think our DOG and FBI are not homogenous. I think the leverage starts at the top at their men and women who took that oath and take it seriously in our organizations. I know, but I'm just saying you know as well. I did lots of investigations. Domestic overseas doesn't, I mean lots of investigations have been stopped for whatever reason. I would pull on you off this. Yeah. Why wouldn't somebody just get pulled off? It certainly would have been very high profile,

“right? So it's going to go through layers of review. And I think it's going to depend on where this”

octopus of strangle hold and all of its legs have wrapped itself around someone who could make that call. It's not a perfect cover up. They've made mistakes. They're humans. They're not

all powerful and are refused to think that the corruption runs complete through our institutions.

Maybe one day it will, but I don't think it does right now. What do you mean by that? Meaning that if the corruption were complete, then everyone on our institutions would be team Epstein. You don't feel like they are. I feel at the top it looks kind of what I mean. That to me, that means complete. Um, basically leadership. If the leadership and every one of our institutions is all beating the same drum, nothing's going to become. Nothing's going to get accomplished.

But we're seeing that, right? Yeah. This is going to only do so much. And then when you get yanked off, I'm just doing my job. Yeah, you know. There are clues for this that are interesting to me. For example, Cash Patel sat in this chair and said that he was going to clean it all up. Oh, I burned that chair. I'm just kidding. Yeah. But I believed him. And I remarked to my wife at the

“time, like, that's the politician I believe in. That's awesome. I want that. I was warned before I”

had him on the show. He was completely full of shit. Yeah. Very good friend of mine. And he was

got that one in me too. The America that I grew up in. And when I look at that flag and what I

feel about that flag, I can't let that go. And him sitting here and watching that conversation about what he really means. I wonder if he really meant it or if when he sat on the house floor and he said there's nothing in those Epstein files and purger himself. Why? Where's the leverage? Where does it start and how deep does it go? And I just can't believe it goes as deep as the federal agents who took the oath and who go home to their families at

night and are not in the spotlight and run their investigations. Some of them maybe. I can't imagine

it's all of them. I mean, I don't think it's, I don't think it's the lower level guys, probably

“not even the mid tier or probably not even all the way to the top tier. But I think the top tier”

fucking knows. Yeah, that's my re-on it too. I know those guys, man. I was a federal agent. I got tons of friends that are feds. They're good people. But some of them are looking at this information and saying, "Yeah, I'll redact that. I'll redact that." And at some point, they're complicit in this cover-up. Because it is a cover-up. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. What are you open to game by doing this? We started close to horizon out of the belief that America's in an epistemological

crisis. Epistemology being the study of how you know the things that you know, what is truth. We're lied to constantly. Constantly. There's a new sign up every day, which is our better

“sign-ups. There's a new and every day deception lies coming from the White House, our institutions,”

corruption, apak buying our government seats, like what happened to Massey? Everything's a fucking lie, man. It's all lie. It's all lies. Everything's everything. I mean, even, I mean, I just did this episode with this guy, Pete Blaber, Delta Colonel. And we went over a whole slew of lies and just naval special warfers, prop and people up like heroes and passing out, passing out awards. I'm pretty sure you know about this shit. And that's yes, even though people that I know died in

those events and were killed and they were fighting for the country. I mean, that is so I hate to say like this, but that is so far. It's just not as significant as what we're talking about right now. When you're talking about people eating babies and raping fucking kids, blackmail and are basically our entire government is run by a shadow government. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, but I mean, we lied, we lied about that shit. Yeah, did you see the, you know, crazy,

“that was sent to Go Lane asking if she wants to be on the shadow 9/11 commission?”

No, I didn't see that. She gets an email. You can dig it up in the files and write it up on screen right

now to be on the shadow 9/11 commission. And here's what's interesting about the files. You

want to get into corruption. There is a canyon of missing files between 99 and 2002. Nothing came out of those years. Well, what happened in those years? You have both 9/11 and the dot com crash. Major events that shaped the next decades of history. What's being hidden there? What do you think, man? I think that what we've been told about some of those events is really uncomfortable and not true. And it would create a existential crisis for a generation of

Americans who fought blood and died overseas because they looked at those towers being hit. And they said, this cannot stand in my country. I'm going to serve my country honorably. I'm going to go fight over there because they saw what happened there. And I don't think it was what it was portrayed to be. And I think that canyon of files, if it ever comes out,

I hope so. I hope they do. You're going to watch the big UFC event tonight at the White House.

“The, the big fight? Yeah, my fourths will where I'll worry about, right? The fucking UFC fight.”

Your bread and circus. Here, take your bread and circus. It really is biblical, man. It is. It's a war of good and evil. And I knew this was a war in good and evil. And I saw the darkest thing in the files. I used to think that this was a criminal organization that was very sophisticated and it is. But it's deeper than that. This is a good and evil issue. There is an email. I'm going to be careful. There is an email

between Epstein and associate. And it's redacted to this associate is. Where Epstein recounts how a girl pulled him that she believed while in her bed that God protected her. And that Jesus was watching over her. And then he says, "Wips."

“And the person replies, "You should dress up like him being Jesus." The next time you see her.”

We don't wrestle against flush and blood. This is deeper. This is a war of good and evil, of truth, of secret keepers and truth seekers. And I think that if we don't get it under control, we're a generation away from losing the empire. Because we care about it, but you ask the next generation coming up, you ask Gen Z. And a lot of them don't believe all the bullshit, which is cool. They don't believe what the legacy news media is telling them. They're like,

"Man, all that's just lies." But the problem is you extend that worldview into belief about

institutions. All of its corrupt, all of its lies. I don't believe in anybody more. Then you get permission to do this forever without consequence. The people who grew up like we did are the last line against this. And it's more urgent than people realize. Because once you get into the next generation, we give up on this. It's over. I know. But I know. But these people make mistakes. This isn't perfect. The people that have done this conspiracy

and I'm okay using that word because this is where the evidence takes me. People have called me a conspiracy theorist and the lawsuit against us for trespassing. I don't give a damn about trespassing. Not one damn about it. I've got to correct Ben on two things. I love Ben. But I am an actively barred lawyer. I'm a barred lawyer with an inactive license. And he was very generous to me. And just said that they got caught. They would have to worry about trespassing charge. I don't give a shit

about a trespassing charge. We are going to figure out whatever it takes to get to the truth on this matter. And they make mistakes. Here's another for you. So, let me give you these two documents. Oh man. Yeah, these three documents, which we'll cover

“real quickly. But I think you're going to find this really interesting, John. So, the first one”

is this one labeled page six at the top. Here. This is a page from the medical examiner

is all topsy of Jeffrey Epstein. And the top line, the first full sentence, says the prostate is

slightly and diffusely enlarged with mark and large amount of the veramontenum. I don't know what that is. So, this is her observation, medical examiner, official autopsy for Jeffrey Epstein,

the evidence here. It's just really embarrassing. It says the testes are unremarkable. I don't know

“that I want that in my autopsy. So, she makes this position that there are, there's a prostate.”

This next document is a deposition. And he's asked the question. He's asked a series of hypothetical questions. You can have a high testosterone and still have a need for a biagra because you don't have a prostate right and he says correct. Seemingly indicating on face value that he doesn't have a prostate. Now, there's controversy over this because people make the argument that the you in that

sentence is the royal you meaning sort of a general question about someone's medical condition.

Okay, fair enough. But the next document is a lab core record. And he has a series of lab core records and other medical records as well as intake forums that began as early as that could find

“his 2012 maybe, where he's having problems with his prostate, his testes, there's some kind of”

yourological problem that he's having and so he's visiting yourologist. And at the bottom of this in highlighted, it says, uh, Serum PSA should decrease and remade it under technical levels after radical prostate actomy, which is the removal of the prostate. So, in his deposition, he remarks that it'd be correct. This is what to expect if you don't have a prostate. And his lab core record, it seems to be a uh, a document indicating either presurgery or follow on or at least some kind of

analysis for what the condition of his prostate would be like or his PSA and your analysis would be if you didn't have a prostate. But the official finding in the autopsy is the hadaprostate.

“And based on all of the other records that look at his medical history and things that is”

associate's symptom, it appears he most likely had prostate cancer. And I know that because his associates would symptom medical journal articles about the state of the art of prostate cancer, vaccines, cures, these were, there were 132 records if you search prostate cancer in the files. He also had a health coach that he seemingly donated a lot of money to who was sending him articles about or referencing an article for him to go look at about being recovered from

stage four prostate cancer. So, these three files and none of themselves are not entirely determined of about the condition of the prostate. But it's a valid open question about whether he didn't have a prostate and the office of the chief medical examiner didn't track that. And it wasn't his body on the table. Wow. Detractors of this theory make the comment that this bottom paragraph is boilerplate language on a lab

core record. Fair enough, but he's still being evaluated for what his level should look like following a radical prostate act to me. And prostate cancer is occurring many times throughout the files. So, I'm not going to say that it's completely determinative, but it's a very open valid question about if they made a mistake here. What we do know is that he had a body double of some kind. This is, say that again, we do know that the FBI's own memo show that they pushed out a body for

the media to see those covered in boxes and blankets to divert them away from following it as it moved away from the Metropolitan Correctional Center. We know that for sure, 100%.

There's a memo showing that they pulled this scheme to trick the media basically when it came out.

But weirdly, the New York Post was there to take photos. And so what they did is as the gurney came out took photos of this alleged body on the gurney. From the FBI memo, they say it was boxes and sheets, the New York Post took photos of somebody. And we know that because

gurney to his mug shots and compared the ear and the bridge of the nose. And if you look at the

“cartilage of a dead person, it's not going to change that much. Like, our face is going to change”

the way that the body cares fluids, they look different, but your cartilage doesn't change right after you die. Though you can see for yourself, the difference between even just the nose. One of them is him dead, the New York Post photos, and the other is him alive, the muck shot.

The bridge of the nose is curved on the dead body. And it's more straight on the muck shot.

The ear, the ear is interesting because you can identify a body based on the ears. We have unique shapes of our ears, kind of like a fingerprint away. And the version I'm showing is in black and white and color. This is more evident, but I didn't have a color printer. No one has printers anymore. It's not the same ear. So who is on that gurney? Because based on this, unless something really

crazy happened to his face after he died, which I guess is possible, that's not his face.

The other is completely different. It's a different guy. , but let's say he could hear the little question. He's not a good guy, but he's a good guy. The institutions, the administration will all label you crazy. Yeah, low IQ. See best news. See the rest. Covered an article on us. So they're against CBS news. Didn't article on us? Like a media institution. The reporters that we talked to were good people.

Think it once it had an editor desk. It said, oh, this has all been debunked. None of this has been debunked. None of it. It's a lazy. If you can't contend with the facts, you smear me in Ben. You paint as this crazy conspiracy theorist. You do law fair, sue us for civil trespass, anything, anything but contend with the evidence itself.

“And I think this is part of the playbook. And the enemy is more sophisticated than we realize.”

I fell for some of their tricks. Hook, line, and sinker. And the most clever one is the controversy that began right after he died. There was an autopsy that was performed, and the conclusion of the autopsy says, this is death by hanging, official narrative. The same time his brother Mark Epstein hires a forensic examiner to look at the results of the autopsy. The forensic examiner says, well, hold up this little bone in the neck called the

high-oid bone. If that breaks, that's more consistent with strangulation. And now this controversy begins between he killed himself, or he was murdered. From the jump, now that was manufactured as well. If I'm wanting to take my kids to dinner,

“as their dad, I say, hey, do you guys want to go out for steak or sushi?”

And you know what they do? They'd bicker like nine-year-olds, normal nine-year-old stuff. Steak, sushi, steak, sushi. I don't care. I love both. They're both great, but I've controlled

the official statement would be rejected by people who don't trust our institutions.

“Immediately would be rejected. The number one global pedophile dies by suicide as the first”

suicide in 21 years, the Metropolitan Correctional Center. First suicide in 21 years, they know

damn well that people are going to say no way. We're not that dumb. So what happened? Well, the forensic examiner says, oh, this was suicide by hanging, and I thought for this, hook line and sinker. It's like clearly he was murdered. Clearly. It's a false choice. It's a false choice. The third option. It's entirely valid. Look at my kids. There's a lot of other options. All their favorites. Chipotle, Chick-fil-A, whatever. Tons of options. But I narrowed it down

to two, gave them two, and made them fight over which two. So you've seen this in a near decade of

memes now about Epstein didn't kill himself. Yeah, he didn't. He left the cell alive. That's the third

option and they control the narrative from day one. Brilliant move. Shit. How much more do you have to look through? There are some post-life signals that are interesting. You brought up the Fortnite one. I am not convinced that the official Fortnite position is anything but part of the cover up. I could be wrong. I'm not going to hold on to that one too tight. Maybe hit another gaming account that went live called War Thunder under the email that he had. I don't know anything about

“War Thunder, but the email he had, GE, GE [email protected], I believe it is. There's receipts and”

things like that. There's activity on that email afterwards. That's very interesting. If

everyone thinks you're dead, what do you care if you use the same email? All your files aren't coming out. No one has access to your Gmail. So those are intriguing. And then the most intriguing for me is there's a YouTuber named Rusty Shackleford, and he flew a drone over little same gems. And he got like two hours of footage. 4K looks like great resolution. And as he flies around, he brings the drone over, roughly the middle of the island dish, and there's some side-by-side

sitting there. And the drone is positioned above these side-by-sides, and there's someone in one of the side-by-sides in the driver's seat. He leans forward and looks up at the drone, and then goes back in that side-by-side. And that person looked like an older gentleman with gray hair, that met my threshold of this should be looked at. This is post-death. Let me tell you something about that island, because I've been to it. You wanted to hide somewhere. He's intelligence

“people will hide in plain sight. It wouldn't be a bad option. Especially if you have to clean up”

some loose ends with your computers or technical infrastructure. No one's going to think you're alive. And even if I came forward and I said, "He's alive," and he's on that island, people would laugh at me. No way, man. No way. So it's not an unsafe place, particularly because you can stay there with an extreme privacy. And the only way that you wouldn't have privacy is if someone has an aerial shot of you, which seems really unlikely, but this guy did. You flew this drone over,

and you can watch this footage on Rumble. It's been taken down all over the internet, but it's still up on Rumble as of today, who knows if it'll still be up. But I'm sure people have preserved it. You can look and make your own decision. This is post-death and pre-AI, which meets our criteria. If it's after he died and before the introduction of large language models, which can edit images, all right, we'll put that in. So you take all of these now into a

totality from the passport, the conditions in the jail cell, the trust, the escape plan, the condition of the body when he is willed up on the gurney and walk away all the way down. And then it post-life signals that carry some weight, the option with the fewest problems of the three is that he left that saw alive. And he left that saw alive, we want proof of life. Do you think you'll ever find out?

and I work for rewards for justice. It's the federal government's rewards program for information

“about the who's who in the national security world of bad guys. It's a very effective program.”

I'll put out $5 million for Bob Bad Guy. Say that you're

took a different path in life and your Sean Ryan and you run a terrorist network. And everyone that's in your staff here is part of your terrorist network. And then you wake up one day and you see on the news that there's $5 million reward for information about the location of Sean Ryan. What are you worried about? A lot of things. Yeah. You're worried about everyone that knows your eye color, your plate numbers,

where you bet down. It creates incentives for betrayal within your network. It also restricts your freedom of movement and closes your horizons. You can't travel anymore. Can't be on plans. Can't be jet setting. Can't be driving around past marketplaces. Go into see your associate friends. It makes the enemy adjust their TTPs.

We don't have $5 million, but we do have is a lot of people that are mad about this.

And we started the reward pool and put in 40,000 of our own money and people are contributing to this reward pool. If we're wrong and I'm willing to be wrong. In fact, I would prefer to be wrong. I take no satisfaction being right about this. If we're wrong, every dollar in that reward pool goes to Ben's organization, we fight monsters, tell people in trafficking and addiction. Every dollar for wrong, and we can't prove it. But if we're right, that reward pool grow and grow year over

year as a long-term commitment to justice and truth. And incentivize people to come forward. And if people have proof of life, we want direct observational evidence. Not open source. I mean, Ben is doing the open source side. My human collection side wants direct observational evidence. I was his driver. I was his gardener. I was his plastic surgeon.

Those people, because his associates are going to care, say we get it to a million dollars.

“Say some crazy person watching this who has a ton of money since I believe in this,”

then puts in $10 million dollars. His associates don't care about that much money. They don't care. But you know who would care? Or all of the logistical parts of his life that have people that require, they're required to hide someone. Gardners, security, drivers, made plastic surgeons. People that know, and this is not a fringe bully that he's alive among his people in the Virgin Islands and people that, you know, went to high school with them,

survivors of his crimes. So he built a reward pool big enough. It becomes expensive to stay silent. What does it people go for that? They can go to ft isn't dead.org, read the evidence. Make your own conclusion. If you believe in this and you think you'll let that saw alive, consider the reward pool. The other thing that they can do is go to closedhorizon.com, where we've created a marketplace for truth. We are tired of being lied to about everything in constant

deception, tired of it. There are questions that matter and are dangerous questions. If I'm right, this is a dangerous question. Closehorizon allows anyone to create a campaign and fund it like go fund me and pay sources for information. Whatever your question is. There's other questions out there that are dangerous questions. Who really killed Charlie Kirk? It's a dangerous question. They don't have to be big questions. They can be little ones too. Who really killed JFK? Who killed

“JFK? Who did those files go? We were told they were going to release those files, right?”

Yeah, they can't paint on that, right? Trump did? If my memory is correct, yes he did. Why is everything alive? This is what I mean by an epistemological crisis.

Well, I hope you get to the bottom of this. That's some pretty compelling evidence that you've got there.

“We're not going to give up on it. I can't, man. I can't give up on this one. Can't.”

What's next for you guys? The other way that people can help here is we're calling for an Epstein Truth Commission. And if any members of Congress have the courage to reach out to us, we believe that there should be an Epstein Truth Commission, like there was a 9/11 Truth Commission or 9/11 Commission and a Church Committee after the JFK assassination.

Now there's problems with those. Sure.

But the FBI has fully abdicated to duty to investigate this. Completely. There's no reason that Anrod Regas, based on my reading, shouldn't be charged

“under the Man Act and the Sex Trafficking Statute for procuring people and bringing them to the”

islands for illegal sexual activity. That's a low-hanging fruit one. That's the island manager. Not a billionaire. That's an easy one. That's the sacrificial lamb. Brought people to that island for the purpose of a legal sexual activity,

Harvard, and transported for child victims for commercial sex.

Something a value was exchanged for a commercial sex act. So if there's no FBI and DOJ who's willing to do this in this administration, we need a long-term commitment to justice from our federal government. I'm still trying to figure out how somebody gets arrested for sex trafficking when there's a traffic to. To nobody, Sean, delaying and Epstein didn't traffic them to anybody.

Believe that and go back to Brent's circus. I can't wait for that UFC fight. Let's go. But it's going to be a real good one. The stakes are high. Do you think people have to wake up to that? Well, Ryan, I really appreciate what you're dealing with, man. Thanks for coming in. I have something for you. Oh, shit. What a--

I got-- Ben gave you the-- We fight monsters flag. This is the close to Ryzen flag that we brought to the island. So you got two. Well, yeah. Thank you. That's our-- our logo is a radical and the North compass-- compass with the North indicated. Truth. Gotta find truth. I have another good for you.

My understanding is, as you were reading the Stoics, is that right? Here's your favorite. Marcus Williams. Yes, yes, I really is. The OG Stoic. My interview yesterday was about this. Yeah. Yeah. He's made a generational impact on the lives of men. Be like the promontory upon which the way he's continually crash, while they're allowed to sleep at your feet.

“That's how man should be. And you're one of those men. And this is a”

Roman DaNarius with the depiction of Marcus Williams on it. I'll give that to you as a whole truth seeker. You have the courage to say things here that other people won't say. It was given to me by a truth seeker. A positive to you as a truth seeker that is saying things that other people are afraid to say. won't say. The matter. Maybe one day you'll pass it along to another truth seeker and

we'll have a long legacy of truth seekers who have owned that coin. I will. Thank you, man. Ryan, I wish you the best luck. And if you come across anything else, let me know, but they'll have you and Ben and anybody else back. It's in on us. We'd love to come back. All right brother. God bless. Thanks y'all. Cheers.

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