#316 Brian Keating - Brian Keating - The First Object Ever Found From Another Solar System

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"Elebe Premium Café schon ab 29 Euro." "En Decke jetzt die Cuba-Capselmaschine in deiner Chiba-Fiale und auf Chiba-Dee." Brian Keating, welcome to the show, man. "It's a great pleasure to be here, Sean. I've been a while.

I've been hoping for a couple years, I've been making, right?" "I don't know." "But yeah, we're talking out there.

“I think I've been tracking you for like two or three years and you finally made it."”

"Yeah. It's kind of scary to hear that Sean Ryan's been tracking you, but I'll take that my friend." "Oh, man. But yeah, lots of shit going on right now."

"Well, a lot of stuff going on right now. What do you think about all this alien stuff?" "You know, it's either the most exciting time to be alive or it's going to be the most depressing time to be alive." "You know, it's like, imagine you keep asking a girl out."

"Yeah, soon, soon, I'll disclose my intentions to you and you know, you're just kind of waiting in the wings and keep hearing things are going to happen. It's going to come out.

Finally we're going to know the truth in the whole community is thinking about things and

is excited about things and then I'm sorry to say I've just been completely underwhelmed. This was last release by President Trump and Department of War, Pete Higgs, so I tore through that like a kid on Christmas morning or as soon as it came out until you find. I found, you know, really it's a nice round number, I found like zero. I found zero that really interested me and worse than that, I found things that were,

you know, you're background you're used to dealing with kind of like science and a good friend, my friend, Chad Haash, he was in the science, he was in US Army, served in there. They have exposure to things, right? They're going to prime me for certain things. I call these science SCI-ops because it sounds so outlandish, so outrageous, it titulates

the mind, especially if you're a nerd like me, I want to know about extra conventional beings, I want to know about non-humanoid biologics, and all I get to hear from people I respect some people I've talked to, you know, I like to say I've got the square root of your podcast websites, but I talked to a lot of the same people that you've had the opportunity

in honor to talk to, and it's always, you know, comes down to like trust me, bro, or I heard

or somebody said this and I can't say that, and in the military, I completely understand it, I understand, you've seen things, you've done things, you're not going to be able to talk about things, you're a scientist, and you go on a show, like my friend Steven Bartlett Show, and you get 10 million views, and one night you say, "Well, I heard from somebody who heard from somebody, and you're a physicist, like the people I've come on recently on

his show, it frustrates me because that's not the way science works." Do you think this is all of distraction? Um, every time, every time there's a big release or hearing it, it's just up to me, it just winds up being a big, another fucking nothing, burglar. Yeah, I mean, have you heard anything that would make you, I mean, these are supposed to be

“some of the most consequential discoveries of all time, right?”

Things that could question and have caused people literally on to be burned at the stake. 1600, your Donald Bruno, it was a preach priest in the Catholic church in Italy. He proclaim that every star you see in the heavens has a planet around it. They said, "Very nice, you know what, what temperature do you want to be cooked to?" You know, they burned them at the stake, because it was so threatening, which meant it was

threatening to the most powerful authority on earth at the time, just a Catholic church, the Vatican.

And that was like the, you know, United States on steroids, like literally just killer, no other power was comparable, and he went against them. Why? Because it was threatening to them. Why is it something threatening to you? Do you care when your kid says, "Oh, daddy, you don't, you look ugly today or some hate are on the internet," says something. You don't give a crap about it. But when somebody says something important,

and it challenges your worldview, that's significant. So allegedly, these things could have the most consequential impact on humanity. Has your life changed? Have you questioned your belief in God? Have you thought maybe, you know, there's, there's something to these aliens, and

no, I mean, I assume no. I used to think there was something to this alien shit.

I really did. Now I don't. You know, I just don't. You know, I've interviewed so many people about this, and I'm not talking about Abbey Loeb, but the thing is, one thing that one bread flagged to me is you got all these people out there that are screaming disclosure, we want disclosure, they're demanding it. But none of them are really working together. That's right. You know, and so, you know, behind

closed doors off camera, they're all talking shit about each other. Exactly. It's like, it's like, oh, you want disclosure, but only if you're the fucking one, they're disclosed. You don't want to work with anybody else and actually, you know, figure this out. You just, you want to be the guy.

That's what it is. And yeah, it's, so that's like one thing. Another thing is, I find the timing

very odd of the release of all this shit. I mean, you know, the the latest batch of the alien conspiracy thing is, you know, it's stopped right at the height of the Epstein stuff in the Iran war, whether you're bored against it, whatever. It's very unpopular. You don't

“mean, and so it's like, give them aliens. You know what I mean? That's what I think about it now.”

I'm just like, this fucking bullshit. Of course you drop it right now. Exactly. And so it's, I think the timing alone is discrediting. So, you know, an ancient Roman times you had on Jeremy Ryan's slate is a friend of mine not too long ago. You know, he talked about ancient Rome and what they used to do and how they keep the masses entertained when there's no Netflix. They had bread and circus. I call this bread and saucers. This is what they're doing.

Uh-huh. There's a lot of distraction. Why is it distracting though? That's what interests me. It's a meta cognitive thing. To me, it's interesting because it taps into something primal in the human spirit, which is beautiful, by the way, that people care about the possibility of extra dimensional extra terrestrial, not only life. Like, if I told you tomorrow, we discovered some slime mold, um, you know, the moon of Saturn Titan. You'd be like, holy crap. That's cool.

But if I told you there's dolphins swimming around on the ocean, or you'd say that's even cooler, right? And then when I said, there's, there's frickin' dolphins with, with

“opposable thumbs, and they're using iPhone. You'd be like, holy frickin' crap. You know, right?”

So it's just, it's this hierarchy of insane, interesting, most fascinating stuff. And it is child abuse, or, you know, humanity's curiosity abuse. When you start saying something is so weighty, so important, so significant. Not just to like, you know, your worldview, your religion, your belief in God, all these things, and you start like, rug pulling it. I think that's, I think it's not only, you know, kind of, not, not nice to do to people. I think it's morally

objectionable. If you keep teasing this and just wait till you see it. And by the way, it's not just scientists. It's not just, um, the military. It's people in Congress. It's people in power. And it's frustrating to me, because they'll often be something, you know, they'll say things like, you know, we want someone, you know, these things that we see defy the laws of physics. Okay. Well, like, I'm a physicist. Avie loves a physicist. You know, show us the data.

Avie doesn't believe that we're being visited right now. He does believe that there have been extraterrestrial technology potential for them to have visited us via this El Moura, this recent, you know, three eye atlas, and we can debate the scientific methods all you want. Um, and there's a lot of objections in science, because guess what, that's what scientists do. Scientists are saying, oh, you found a discovery. Oh, it's great, Sean. You know, one, good for you. We're not like,

you know, on the teams or whatever, like, oh, you take somebody this. I'll take something. We don't have roles like that. We're all kind of doing battle against an enemy that has infinite resources

“called Mother Nature. And she doesn't give up her secret. The only thing that we have on our”

side, Sean is that she's always in retreat. We're making incredible progress, exciting progress,

despite what Doomsayers say, despite what people may say about it. And we almost don't need the aliens, like, we almost don't need it for the sense that science is so incredibly interesting, so provocative, so helpful, so useful. But we've come to believe that, with science, you get technology. And I kind of say, that's the problem. You know, the problem with science is that sometimes it makes technology. And so you come to expect it as a general public. Well, good is this. Why should

we spend this money here? Why should we do this? Why should we do that? And we should, we have poor people here in Tennessee or wherever, right? We should be doing something for them. It's not as here of some gain. In fact, it's a losing battle. We know we're going to lose against Mother Nature.

and let us have access to it. The universe, Abbey Lobloves to say, the sky's not classifying.

“I say, physics is not classifying. Love that. You familiar with Pauli Market?”

Yeah, of course. Pauli Market only gives a 14% chance that the US will confirm that aliens exist before 2022-27. Did you see the post that Trump did the other day with the LA? Did anybody what is that? You know, he's a master manipulator. He's a bastard. And I support with President Trump does in many ways, which makes me, you know, kind of a unicorn and academia. But you know, does that mean he does everything right? Does that mean like, you know, it couldn't ever

consider not voting for him? Do I think that he does things sometimes in a callous and a cruel

it? Yeah, of course. Look, people always say to me as a sidebar. I'm sorry to go on a tangent,

so early in the conversation, but, but they say, like, "Would you want your kid to be like President Trump, isn't he like, "Oh, how about these problems?" I'm like, "No, you know how am I kid to be like?" You know, I try to live a life for my sons to be like me. I try to live a life, but not be copies of me. I want them to be who they are, actualize their full potential like God has given them. I don't want them to be me. I don't want them to be a politician.

I don't want them to be an Instagram influencer. I don't want them to be you. I want them. I want to be the influencer my kid. Not the president. I never look. Oh, Jonathan Kennedy. I really want my kids to, you know, at least God. I don't say that. I don't say, you know, I want my kid to be like Stephen Hawking. No, I don't know, nobody. I want them to be a replacement. Exactly.

“They're your ticket to the afterlife in reality, spirituality, and ideologically. I think that's”

what other gift could you have. And by the way, I like to say it for people that don't have kids. A lot of my friends don't have kids, I'm sure. You know, the same number of people, you don't have to have kids yourself. A) You can adopt. B) You can, you can be a mentor. You know, it's a shame the Catholic Church in Michael Jackson and given like real bad name to like men mentoring younger, younger kids. I think that's, I think it's a tragedy, because I think what

you need is more biological fathers and more ideological fathers. And you, you can be both, but you don't have to be both. Let's get back to aliens. Yeah, look. So Polymarker gives a 14% chance that the US government confirms alien life or technology this year, $38 million in real money has traded on this. You've built telescopes at the South Pole looking for signals from the beginning of the universe as a physicist. What do those odds tell you? So one of the places

I built the telescope is at the South Pole Antarctica, and I think that means I've been on a navy base that you haven't been on the South Pole since you've been on a navy base that I've not been on. And I've probably been on a plane, you know, putting my, the only ways I can, you know, say that I've done something Sean Ryan hasn't done is I've been, I might have been on a plane

you've never been on in a military, an LC 130 cargo plane. So it's a ski equipped cargo plane.

The US doesn't export it. It's like the F-22 or some never even seen one. It's a giant, it's the world's biggest ski plane. It is the coolest thing. It's a Stephen 30 probably went to Antarctica of in their twice. I spent months of my month going on down there. So Antarctica is one of the most fascinating, um, otherworldly, just like extra terrestrial kind of planet filled with some of the most hard-charging people outside of the military that you probably ever want to meet. People, it's

oversubscribed so it's hard to get to the South Pole to work there as a cook. Then it is to get into Harvard University. There's so many people that want to work there, the be there. They love the isolation. They love the desolation. Uh, it's like the movie Star Wars with the ice planet half covered over frozen over installation desolation sounds like my dream place. For me, it's a nightmare. Yeah, for you, it's great. I love, I, I, I love getting there. I love having been there. I hate being there.

You love getting there? Was it like a 25 hour plane ride? It's takes seven days. Yeah, from San Diego. Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. And, uh, or you can take two, two and a half weeks by boat across the world's southern ocean, which is the most dangerous and, and kind of violence. I, I get seasick, you know, so like, I go on to stand up paddleboard, I get seasick, so, you know, I'm not taking the boat ride. But so you get there. You go from San Diego, fly to LAX, you fly from LAX to either Australia,

or to the North Island of New Zealand, Auckland, New Zealand. Uh, that takes, you know, 14 hours,

“whatever flight. Uh, then you get there, then you have to take another flight to get from there to”

Christchurch, New Zealand, so on the South Island of New Zealand. New Zealand is like, there's where they fill in the Lord of the Rings. It's the most, uh, it's like Switzerland plus the tropics,

it's an incredible, beautiful place. And, uh, and then you get there. And the US has carved out an army

base and naval base and a provisioning center from this place called Christchurch. And the reason

to reach the South Pole. And, uh, Robert Scott, who's a British team. They were in a racion,

“every bit as competitive as the Cold War space race to get to the moon first. This battle in”

1911 and 1912 was every bit as intense geopolitically national pride, scientifically, it was the last content. No one had ever seen Antarctica. You know, an Antarctica was discovered, and our close and discovered after the planet Uranus was discovered. No, it was a freaking planet before we went to the world's seventh continent. It's a continent. Wow, I did not know. Yeah, it's an actual continent, which means unlike the North Pole. If you go to the North Pole,

you've seen that when the submarines go up through there. There's no land at the North Pole. If you go to the South Pole, you dig down through 9,500 feet of ice, you hit rock. That

means it's a continent. So it's, it's one of Earth's seven continents. It has a population right now,

as we're speaking, it's winter in Antarctica, or it's starting to be, you know, the fall, it's going into winter. There's, we, you know, kind of, we're in spring, going into summer, and the northern hemisphere. There's only about 800 people on the whole continent. Wow, once again, it sounds like my dream. Yeah, you got a, you got a 200 mile shooting range you can go out to. That means everybody there has to have a specific job and has to be very fucking good at it. There's

“a different slackers. That's right. That's why I imagine there's no slackers. You can't get, first of all,”

you need a psychological exam if you're going to be there. You can't, because there's no doctors there. There's no dentists there. You, if you have even a 1% chance that you're going to need your mullers removed before you go to Antarctica, they force you to pull them out. Because there's no dentists there. Can you imagine the horrific pain that you could possibly have if you were at the South Pole. No doctors, no dentists, no X-rays, nothing, nothing, you possibly saved your

life. And you get a two thing. So they have to, and it costs $100,000 for each person to get down there. So the US takes it very seriously. We go down these ski equip cargo planes. We leave from Christchurch on a C-17 if you're lucky. If you're unlucky, you get a, you get a C-130 again, which is half the speed. And, and they can only get provisions in or out of there about three months of the year. So this, the station opens up in November. It's beginning of their spring going into their

summer time. And then it ends in February 15th and it's shown if you're not out by, oops, sorry. If you're not out by February 15th, you're there until November. You're not going anywhere. Yeah. So yeah, it's an incredible environment. And it's dark. By the way, it's dark. Pitch black. Three months of the year. I've been thinking a lot about this lately. We track everything in our lives, our workouts, our

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and tell them the Sean Ryan show sent you to support the show. What's a curdy like? So I actually had a friend. There is one gun down there. It's not there is one gun down there. There's a 45 caliber 19/11 has kept in a safe. And there's a station master who's sometimes a scientist. I knew the station master who was the scientist. The year I was there. And they have security because some people have gone literally crazy there. As you might

expect, complete isolation, you're not going anywhere. You know why I plain can't land there? So if a C-130 were to land there in the middle of winter, it gets sent to negative 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Okay? So that's 200. That's 300 degrees below the boiling point of water.

And then the coldest day of the year is usually in July. They go outside and they run around

“naked around the South Pole. It's like a barber pole. Just like you see, you know, like Santa”

would have or whatever. It's a barber pole that marks the geographic axis on which the earth is spinning. Okay? Do you run around? It's called the 300 degree club. You run around every time zone. And you're running in negative delta temperature of 300 degrees Fahrenheit. Okay? So if a plane were to land there, if an LC-130 were to land there, the hydraulic fluid and JPA freezes at like negative 50 or something like that. So what would happen is that all the fuel lines

would explode and you'd have to the plane will be ruined. You couldn't never use that plane again.

So they've never done, they've done aerodroms. There was a doctor there who got stranded Jerry Nielsen and she was on site physician, but that's just for like, you know, cuts and scrapes and stuff like that. She diagnosed a lump and she found that she had this lump in her breast and they had a drop, they found out diagnosed it. She dropped the biopsy kit. She tested that she had breast

“cancer at stage two or three, then they dropped chemotherapy. So they had parachutes at night.”

She pitched black from a C-17. She ended up living a few more years after that. She wrote it in memoir about it. But it's the most isolated place on earth. Literally there's just a measure of 1,000 people in the entire continental U.S. Just imagine how, how far you'd have to go until you meet again. For people like you, you probably don't. It's amazing. It's just a catch-up on your room. You see where we're at, we're out in the woods. Right now. Yeah, exactly. It's incredible. If you

heard of these, if you heard of these crafts that people think come out of the water from within the earth, yeah, what do you think about that? Well, I've seen some stuff from the gentleman Luelo Zondo. I don't know if you've had Luelo on the podcast. Yeah, so he had this book came out a couple of years ago. Eminent, I try to have him on. Look, I take a skeptical view. It's like, when you were a kid, I'm Jewish, but I actually grew up Catholic, and it's a long story. But

but remember, like, when Christmas would come and you'd be so excited, like, you just knew your mom was going to your dad was going to get you that racetrack or the RC truck or the 22 or whatever you're going to get. Like you just knew. And then the next day shows up, oh, thanks, mom. I'm a pair of slacks. Like, oh, you know that feeling of being let down. You've had it, right? I've had it. Oh, that's going to ask if you've missed Christmas, maybe not. We have enough holidays as it is.

Yeah. So, so we, we are in that same situation. We're promised disclosure. We're promised us going to be groundbreaking. Literally yesterday, Congresswoman Luna, birch, a lot of people you've

talked to a lot of people you know. What's coming next? It's always what's coming next. It reminds

me of like nuclear fusion. Nuclear fusion is said to be the power source of the future shown and it always will be. In other words, we're just not converging on this stuff. Why do you think we're

“not? We can go, we can do eight hours on this if you want. But I'll tell you, I think there's a bunch”

of different things. I don't actually think the, the Epstein filed distraction from the Iran war. I don't think any of that is really pertinent A because a lot of a surface in 2017, you know, thanks to Tom the Long and to the Stars Academy and people that you might have interviewed. I talked to Tom the Long and Jim Semi van is a CIA operator at one point. And the challenge is, you have all sorts of extremely rich, potential scientific content in a very low information environment

in an extremely low trust environment. In other words, you talked to people, you've talked to Ryan Graves. Okay. I've talked to him. I actually talked to him with one of his wingmen who's friend of mine is a naval veteran, an F-18 pilot, just like Ryan. And you talk about it. I would say most of the stories that I've heard, and even people like David Grush, you know, I respect these people, but I have yet to hear them say, here is the physical evidence. Sean, if these things

never go the full distance. They never produce the evidence a lot of evidence on human biologics.

Yeah, I don't know, but that could be a fucking deer carcass on the side of the road. Right. I'm not fucking around. I mean, serious. If you're going to go, why aren't we going the full distance? Like you're not a fucking whistleblower, you're just bringing up bullshit. I'm glad he's fucking nothing. I can't say that, you know, because I don't have the courage to join. I wanted to join the military.

I wanted to go into the air. Of course, my stepfather was the fighter pilot and Vietnam, and a KC135 Stratotanker pilot. I wanted to do it, but, you know, discovered girls, I'm like, I don't know if I can handle it. I want to be an F-14 pilot, because that's when Top Gun came out when I was a kid, and then my stepfather was like, you know, you know, they say everyone wants to be a cowboy, but no one wants to ride the range,

you know, like being out on the boat, like my friend Ariel Kleinerman or like Ryan Graves. I'm sorry. I just didn't have it. I wanted to study the stars. I wanted to not, you know,

this stuff is so interesting, and yet I keep hearing things like, you know, I heard from somebody,

or, you know, David Graves, I can't, you know, these are the testimonies. I haven't seen them. They do, they're interdimensional beings, like, and I'm Congresswoman Luna, and I would spare it.

“It's a spirit, it's a guy. That's why I say, I call these aliens of the gaps. It's a form of”

almost religious worship. Same as happening with AI, by the way. You see this worship, this power, these people involved. Look at the people involved in AI, Sean. What do you mean, worship, and AI? What are you talking about? We're shipping AI is creating a God in our image, okay? So just what God did with us. God created us from dirt, Adam, and Hebrew means earth. It means dirt. God carved us out of earth, created. We can believe it literally. I'm not

here to process, I'm not going to say anything about anyone who believes literally or doesn't believe literally. But the point is, God's that we create in our image, it's one of the oldest stories of all time. Tower of Babel. What was the fact tower of Babel? It wasn't just like, oh, we're going to make this tower, and it was human's developed technology. They created the first composite building material with straw, with earth, with dirt. That's a composite building

material, like, rebar and concrete, right? That's come out. And they said, hey, we have technology now. We don't need to go on top of a mountain that God made. We can build the tower. Our

south is to go to the sky, like a twin towers. We can do this. We're so powerful. We're so mighty.

Right? It's an old tale that we can compete with God. Why does the Bible? Why does the Torah, the Old Testament say they did it? They wanted to fight with God. Why? Because God had restricted the knowledge that humans beings were capable of having. Again, believe it or not, I really don't care if somebody believes the Torah, the Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament. I don't care. The point is, these stories are eternal. They have something to teach us 3,000 years ago. They

can teach us stuff to this very day. The story that people are trying to do now is to create a God, sort of in our image, right? That will do things to us supernatural, have capabilities, all powerful capabilities, all knowing the penopticon, know what you're doing, know it. People trust chatchipy T, more than they trust trust their priest, rabbi, or minister. You asked stuff to chatchipy T, you probably wouldn't tell your wife. I know I do sometimes like, why is my wife mad? I mean,

I don't like asking her that. I know what she's about. The point is, we're outsourcing that which is ethereal, which is eternal. We're outsourcing that to little bricks of silicon and we're hoping

“but we don't really know about the dangers with it. With aliens, what is happening with aliens?”

That there's some external force that's being suppressed that has the power to transform the world. I agree 100%. If everything I said was going to be disclosed was disclosed, we would have to reconfront the new reality. I mean, we would be in an environment that is so unstableizing. It would make like the Catholic church burning Bruno alive and imprisoning Galileo. All that thing it would look like, you know, like when my toddler goes into time out, okay?

It would be almost, we would be so revolutionarily displaced. The question is, if we, if that's real, if these aliens exist and they have technological capabilities to travel light years across the galaxy, why is it that, you know, Congresswoman Luna or somebody else is capable of either suppressing it or disclosing it? I mean, I don't think, I don't think, I mean, are they capable of that? Well, I'll ask you the question. Are they pretending?

You're in the, you were, if you talk about aliens in your own government, that's like an immediate PR boost. Yeah. Boom. You're front page of every paper, every podcast, one's talked to you, every news network, one's talked to you. It's, it's a great PR stuff, right? Yeah. I mean, this episode's going to do good because we started it off talking about aliens. I hear in

fucking, because I'm being serious. I mean, it always hits. Yeah, it always hits. And I is another

one. Nothing ever comes out. So, and there's an incentive to keep it that way, right? Because if you

“do disclose, I think there's something to what you're saying. I mean, I don't, I'm not, I'm not that”

interested in it anymore because nothing ever comes. There's no, there's never any breaking ship that comes out, there's a rip, you know, that it's, in there's nothing you can do about it anyways. You can use critical reasons. What I think that what I think might be going on is they've seen, you know, how much attention the subject matter demands, you know, when it's brought up. And so, it's become a tool, a useful tool for the U.S. government. That's right. No, I agree with you.

I guess, here's a question I want to ask you, and originally, when I, you know, I actually think, I might have invited you on my podcast at one point to do a like a veteran's day celebration. So, anyway, at some point, I love for you to come on. When you come on, I'm going to give you this,

but it is called the Keating Prize, a little bit arrogant. Okay, it's for impossible imagination. Okay, and it's got your name on the side of it, and it's 3D printed. And there's a replica of the monolith from the movie 2001 of Space Odyssey, because my podcast into the impossible is named after Sir Arthur C. Clark, who wrote the book that 2001 of Space Odyssey is based on. So, you're welcome. Yeah, thank you for all you do. And we're going to play around with some other stuff now, so

keep that handy that we'll go with that later on. So, I want to turn, you know, with your permission and forbearance. I want to ask you a question because I can't ask, I've had, as I said, military, I've had operators on, let me ask you a question. Some of the pilots who saw things, the Nimitz incident, the TikTok incident, Commander Fraver, Lieutenant Commander Alex, Andy Trick, they claim they saw

things, right? They got back to the boat. When they got back to the boat, they were basically described as

being hazed, something like that. Tees, mercilessly, they said it was bad for their career, David Fraver's testified about this. We could talk about the geometry of, you know, how they saw different things. But I don't ask you, as an operator, if I know people that have lost limbs to

“IEDs, okay? If you're on point, if you're going on patrol and one of your buddies says, I think I see”

this thing and it's unusual. It could be an IED or not. Like, when you got back to camp, would you like tease that person or would you say, we should take this freaking seriously? Yeah, you would say, we should take this seriously. So what do you make of the fact that when they got back and in throughout, and Ryan Graves done a good job trying to combat this, but what do you make of the fellow people that should also be encountering these things? And should be subject, if they're just

simple, prosaic, man-made, Chinese, mate, whatever you want. They can pose a danger of flight risk, right, for these aircraft that are operating at high, you know, velocities, right? What do you make of the fact that they fellow aviators, they're equivalent of operators and the teams, right? They were teasing them. I just psychologically, can you help me get through that? Well, I mean, I think the comparison is your brought up is a little imbalance, I mean, an IED in the heyday of

Iraq or Afghanistan. I mean, that was a, you would see multiple of those at very common, you know,

I mean, very nobody would second guess.

I mean, they might second guess you, but they're not gonna make fun of you. You know? I mean, it was just so prevalent happening multiple times a day.

You don't see UFOs popping in and out of the water, and you know, defying physics every day, every year, every decade, like you just don't, you know, if you see it, you're very, you're, you know, it's very rare, right?

“I can see like my brother, I'm three brothers, right?”

I can see them teasing the shit out of me, right? It's kind of like a ghost, right? Right, right.

Like, you might tease somebody if they've seen a ghost.

Like, oh, yeah, okay, you've seen a fucking ghost, right? But if that ghost could take out, you know, the intake on your F-18, you know, you know, hornet, wouldn't you be a little bit, you know, like more interested in seeing if it's not teasing them,

but actually let's go to the encounters like, I'd be interested too. As a professional. Yeah. Is a professional, I'd probably crack a little bit of a joke.

You know what I mean? But I'd also be interested to hear what was going on. I mean, my own producers, the one that logged it into the logbook. I mean, he was there when that shit happened.

Yeah. And, but, yeah, so I'm not saying like, they should have been ridiculed or anything like that. But I, all some things I could understand some heckling. Okay, you know, going on, right?

And then when you hear things, yeah, I'm a civilian I encourage to do stuff that you and your audience does, right? Although I do have some gifts for your audience that we're going to talk about later on.

So, that's a cliffhanger. That's a retention device. Another question when I turn, you know, the tables on the podcaster and ask you a question. You know, in the context of me as a civilian,

I'm told like, you know, kidding, shut your mouth. These guys saw what they saw. You don't have the balls to strap on on F-18. You didn't serve in the Air Force intelligence,

like Grosh, what should I say in those situations? It's true, you know, I'm a pilot,

“but I don't fly F-18s, you don't fly Sastas, right?”

But, but, tell me, how, how should a civilian, you know, questioning what level of deaference, what level of credulity should I just believe someone 'cause they, they strapped on a jet and I didn't have the balls to do it,

or, you know, help me walk me through that 'cause I get that a lot. You, you don't have the skills that he has and you don't have the, you don't have the fortitude to join.

while I'm a physicist, like, I know about fleer, I know about raider, I know about technology,

I know how the you, how astronomy has always fed into technology

for military applications first and foremost, but you're right, I'm not a military operator.

“So how do I as a civilian kind of navigate that castle?”

I, I don't think any of that's even relevant. You didn't serve with the forces that have to do with aliens. And UFOs, like, we're not, we're not talking about, they seem like some, some tactical maneuver that they did in bomb somebody

and you're, you're second guessing the tactics. No, not at all. They don't have any fucking experience with UFOs or aliens, just like anybody else, I saw some phenomena, right? So, I mean, I, I think that's, okay.

It's not what you have, very well crafted defense mechanism, you know, to Python, but, but, or the fact that, like, oh, they, they, they have great hand eye coordination or they have great, you know, this sniper knows, you know, how to do this and that and like they,

they know about observing things in a high threat environment

“and high speeds and kinetic, and kinetic environments.”

You don't kidding you, you sit behind a chalkboard and teach, you know, quantum mechanics, like, nothing, nothing, there's nothing legit, the only ones that seem in what they're, the only ones that seem to have an abundance of experience, tracking UFOs in real time, pretty much all been debunked

in our full of shit. So, so, I mean, that's, you know, when it's a continuous thing, it's like, oh, there's the expert, oh, shit, I got debunked again. But, I don't know, does that answer your question? Yeah, I really get those, yeah.

Well, Brian, let me give you an introduction here. Oh, yeah. Way too far into this, Brian Keating. You are the chancellor's distinguished professor of physics at UC San Diego, the inventor of the BICEP telescope at the South Pole

and the principal investigator of the Simon Observatory, one of the largest cosmology experiments ever built.

It $100 million plus telescope array in chilies, I can't say this,

Atomic Atomicah, Atakama, Atakama Desert and involving over 400 scientists from 40 institutions. You have raised approximately $200 million for your research, received the presidential early career award for scientists and engineers been elected to a fellow of the American Physical Society,

and been inducted into the International Aviation Hall of Fame as a 2022 legend of flight. You're the author of losing the Nobel Prize ranked a best science book of the year by science Friday, physics today and Forbes, and one of Amazon's editor's best non-fiction books of all time.

And the host of the into the impossible podcast with over 500,000 subscribers where you interview scientific and cultural pioneers, including 23 Nobel Prize winners, is past while. This past, yes, that's impressive. You are a licensed multi-engine turbine rated commercial pilot who is lectured

on six of seven continents, including Antarctica, and you arrive today with a replica of Galileo's 1609 military telescope,

a Martian regalized sample, and a 4.3 billion year old meteorite

that you will send to 250 members of this audience with APO addresses. That's fucking awesome. Welcome to the show. It's quite the intro.

“Yeah, better late than never, but you should hear my mother-in-law says in her”

a bottle to the introduction. Bouch. Man, and then before we get too far into it, I got a Patreon account, it's quite the community. The reason that I get to sit here with you today.

I'm her. Thank you. So they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. This is from Neil Embrosio, Jr. While most technologies today have been used for space exploration,

what are your thoughts on that same technology being used for the weaponization of space? So one of the oldest partnerships in science is between astronomy and the military. Most people don't know about that, but the same types of technologies of inventions, of calculations, of theory,

are exactly applicable in military situations. For example, the telescope, this replica telescope here, of Galileo's 1609 telescope. So Galileo didn't invent the telescope. A lot of people think, oh, he invented it.

He actually kind of stole the idea and he sort of admits to it, but that's academia for you, or he used to kind of taking credit. Sometimes we're credit meant not be due.

I don't know, do you ever have a blackberry back in the day or Nokia? You know, kind of phone, right?

The first kind of phones that did more than just, you know,

send calls back and forth, had early access to the internet, and you could do, you know, very crude browsing.

“And that's what made them really popular.”

But what made the smartphone really take off exponentially, was that it was 10 to 100 times better than anything that came before. And so quantity has a quality all its own. Creating something for the first time, like creating a telescope is one thing, but then improving it by a factor of 10, it's almost like it's a new invention.

And that's what Galileo did. He didn't invent it. It's the most simple thing you can think about. It's got two lenses, it's got a lens over here. This is called the objective lens. This is the side that faces the object that you're looking for.

And then this has got all the IPs lens and other lens on the other side. This simple thing has about one inch diameter lens. And it can see everything that you could possibly see with the naked eye, but 10 times better. And that change in humanity's literal perspective on the universe,

changed the world. But it wouldn't have been possible without Galileo's improvement. And in fact, he not only improved it by the type of quality of the glass that he used, the lens material, the spacing of the material, he also did things that are counterintuitive.

You see, Sean, the lens that's here is actually bigger than this brass disc that surrounds it.

But the brass disc is actually crucial to the improvement.

Because what the brass disc does is it focuses the fovia of your eye in the best part of the lens. If you had the whole lens exposed to the light, there's all sorts of artifacts of glints of glare. It's called ghosting. And those effects reduced the utility of the telescope.

So Galileo counterintuitively said, "Let's take this telescope and make it smaller." It's called stopping down, like an aperture and f-stop on a camera. That actually restricts the light. That made it focus better.

It was genius. No, I wouldn't have thought of that, right? Let's make this thing better by making it smaller. Like I said, nobody ever. You always want bigger, better.

But no, that made it what would have made it worse. He made it better. The other thing that he did, which nobody really had done before, it's crazy, is put it on a tripod. He invented the tripod.

“And what do you get when you put an optic on top of a tripod, Sean Gullaby?”

Get stability. Because the telescope is magnifying, not only the object that you're looking at, but it's also magnifying the rotation of the earth. As we look at the stars, it's actually making it them go by faster, right? The stability made when you couple the stability to the optic itself,

you could now use this for military purposes.

This became the first sniper rifle, scope.

This is the first optic ever made, okay? It's a replica, but there's the real one. There's only one left, and it's a, you know, a trillion dollars. I can't bring that for you, maybe next time. But what was so useful about it, is Galileo didn't use it for astronomy.

That wasn't the first thing he used it for. He did for himself, because that was what his passion was. The first 90 he invented this new improved version of it with the tripod, he looked at the moon. And the moon at that time was unknown territory.

People had no idea what was on it, what it was made of. If there's life there, if there's, if it's totally different than the earth, and he looked at it and he saw, it looks perfectly smooth and circular to the eye. It has blotches on it, but, but he didn't know what those were. And he looked at that and he saw the following.

He saw mountains, he saw craters, he saw lava flows, and he said, "Wait a second." People are telling us for 2,000 years, it's perfect. It's a crystalline sphere, this isn't perfect. It's riddled with holes in craters and marks and mountain ranges and riff valleys and craters and canyons.

It's kind of like the earth. That was the first unification of an extraterrestrial object with the earth. That was amazing. He then looked at other objects and said, "And he wrote these all in his notebook." And he kept them all in a span of three months.

He discovered the following things. The moon has craters. The moon has rivers, looks like rivers to the eye. It looks like it has oceans on it. It doesn't have flowing water anymore.

All right, I ever did, really. It has valleys, canyons, has vast plains upon it, okay? He saw that, that was one night. The next night, he saw the planet Venus, goes through certain phases, just like the moon.

In other words, sometimes there's a crescent Venus, sometimes there's a full Venus, sometimes there's a waning crescent Venus, sometimes there's no Venus, and you can't see it. That must have meant that Venus was closer to the sun than the earth.

“Because that's the only way we get phases of the moon.”

Sometimes the moon is closer to the sun than it is to the earth. And then he discovered that the planet Saturn had these ears on it. He thought the planet Saturn, instead of now we know the rings of Saturn,

But he saw that they had this extended oval shape to it.

And it kind of blew his mind. He thought it was three planets touching each other. Okay, and then the last, most insane thing that he ever did, in my opinion, again this is all in just a few weeks, in the winter January of 1610.

It's just mind blowing, no one had ever done that before in history. Even though the telescope existed, no one thought to look at the sky, because they didn't have the technology, the tripod. Okay, and I'm getting to the question that was asked in just a second. He looked at the planet Jupiter.

Jupiter is the biggest planet in our solar system, and he saw it had all sorts of crazy structure to it. It had lines on it, like atmospheric storms. It had this blotch on it, this red spot on it, that seemed to be there every night that he would look on it.

And it was always accompanied by four stars.

And the four stars were always like kind of moving with respect to Jupiter, and then Jupiter was moving with respect to the Earth. And he was such a genius, he said the following, he said,

“"I think what I'm looking at is a miniature version of the solar system”

with the sun replaced by Jupiter, and the planets that orbit around the sun, which is heretical, the thing back then, by the way. The planets that orbit around the sun are orbiting around Jupiter. So Jupiter is kind of like the sun to this miniature solar system that we saw Ed Zhang, like a disk.

So he saw these things moving back and forth, always around Jupiter, no matter where Jupiter was every time of the year, then he could see it. And this is just mind blowing, and he raced to publish this. He published them under two months, which is like a record.

He published this book called the Sidirious Nonseus, the Starry Messenger. And he didn't tell people how to build the telescope. He kept that classified. But he did go to Venice, which Italy was only a country in the modern sense, I think, in the 1840s, like it was unified.

It was made up of like Florence, and Tuscany, and Venice. I go with their disparate dojos, and kingdoms, right? So he went to Venice, he shocked it around to different militaries. And he said, "Look guys, with this telescope, you can go on top of a tower in the Piazza de St. Marco in Venice.

I don't know if you've been to Venice.

“It's a wonderful place you should go there, especially your Italian or Italian origin."”

So you go on top of the tower in Venice. You can look out into the ocean, and you can see in Lagoon, you can see a boat today that won't be here for three days. And that was like stealth, right? So be like looking at the stealth bomber with a special device,

and you could take away the stealth of the stealth bomber. And so this technology between astronomy, which was his main purpose in doing it intellectually, and then selling it to the military, immediately to the Venetian government, gave it in this huge advantage, they gave him like basically a stipend,

tenure, made him like this court astronomer, and he immediately saw how military purposes could be the vehicle to make him wealthy, because he was a real cool guy.

He had, he was never married, he had kids out of wedlock,

he had mistresses, he had brothers in the law, he had people living with him, like students living with him. I can't imagine living with my students, and he was just such a passionate educator, but at heart he was like a military genius. And his first thing was to be like Merlin, or you know,

Gandalf or something. He knew that astronomical discoveries, projectile motion, trajectories, things like that could immediately go from the realm of physics to being used for war. And the same thing is happening today to address the question directly.

We have technologies, we have tools, we have telescopes, we have things that have been designed. One of the things that Avi loves spoke to you about, this object called Umu Umua, was the first extraterrestrial object discovered by humanity.

It came from another solar system, we don't know where, we don't know when, but we know that it did not come from our solar system. How do we know that? It's velocity, and it's orbit. It's not bound to the sun,

and it comes, it travels a such hypervolosity that it came into our solar system in 2017 and left our solar system. And it's long gone for, for now, for right now we can't really catch up with two of the rocket, but we know for sure it was there. It was discovered by an Air Force telescope.

Not a strong enough, Avi low-looking through a telescope. This is going to be by an Air Force telescope on top of Hollywood, which is uh, mountain and Maui. So this purpose of that telescope is not to look for comments from other solar systems, that's serendipitous.

That was accidental that we discovered it. It's real purpose is looking for other things that are up there in space.

“And the best way to do that is to use the tools of physics, of astronomy.”

And that's why I keep saying, if you think that these UAPs, the five-alaws of physics, you would want to have as much input from the physics community, not alienate them, and they'll pun intended, not make them feel stupid, or make them feel like they're just eggheads, and they're just talking down to people, and we know the truth and the government lied about COVID,

Sean, you know the government lied about COVID, so you know the government about aliens ever lie.

I love it, the government would never lie.

“They just have our best input and always forever, they always have, right?”

I mean, even to Galileo, eventually he ran a foul of the government, because of these astronomical telescopes, because of the discoveries he made. Bruno ran a foul for the same Catholic government, which was the government of the time, the super power military undefeated champion of the world.

He ran a foul because he suggested that life could have existed on other planets. Therefore, Jesus could not have possibly been able to visit all of these different planets,

according to the Catholic Church at the time, and so they literally accused him of heresy,

even though he was a, he was a, he was a, I believe he was a Jesuit or Catholic priest. So they burned him alive at the stake as a warning. "Do not defy with your science, our laws of how the heavens go, because we know the Bible knows how they actually work." Wow. Wow. Have you looked at it, you know, do governments lie, of course they do?

Is there ever a reason I'd love, I love your opinion? Like, at that time, saying that the earth orbited the sun would be, it would be like saying, you know, the lab leak of COVID, if you believe that, it would be like that on steroids. Like, does a government, or should any entity

have responsibility to avoid either mass panic as in the case of aliens or something like that,

or mass, uh, pandemics? In other words, do we need any kind of overarching government beneficial? We can debate if they ever could be beneficial, but in your opinion, is it important to have governments? And do they have a right to have secrecy? In other words, let's still man, what the people say that we have to keep this quiet, we can't disclose, trust me, bro, how do you view that as someone who's, well, I think there's a, start difference between flat out lying

“and just not disclosing, you know, I think, I think there's a line there, don't you?”

I do, and I think that the government, you know, but I guess I'm asking, is there a more reason to lie if you lie to your people? Now you're in a predicament, like what we're saying right now, where I would say the vast majority of people have no trust in any of our institutions or government at all, because they've been caught in so many fucking lies and nobody, nobody knows what to believe. Nobody even knows if these are lies. Well, a lot of them are lies, but, you know,

but there are, nobody knows about this alien shit yet, you know what I mean? Yeah, for example, it's like, do we believe them? Why would we believe them? If lied about so many other fucking things, they've lied about COVID, they've lied about taxes, they've lied about pretty much everything, you know, and so, you know, and now, I don't even know how they would begin to get the trust back and our institutions and our government. You think it's that far gone?

“I think it's pretty close. You know, I have this debate, you know, I told you before we started”

recording my brother-in-law Jim Brewer's was a recon Marine, and you know, I told him about some of the things that, you know, the people that have alien encounters have been reporting and just, and he's like, well, we did, um, what it's called, Siri, like search evade, rescue, serotonin, serotonin. Serotonin, he said, we went to that, he said, I got waterboarded, you know, he's like, the government does stuff to us, and I'm convinced the government lies, you know,

they lied to people that should have the deepest trust, and I don't understand how they expect that trust to be maintained. You know, for example, pilots report things in the skies, right? One explanation is extraterrestrial craft visiting us from other dimensions, right, within non-human biologics. Okay, that's a hypothesis, right? I'm a scientist, I can test hypothesis, given data, update my priors, update my hypothesis, iterate scientific math in an action, right?

Another hypothesis is, um, these are craft from the US, from adversarial nations, reporting things, doing things that we don't know about. For example, during World War II, there were operators of German U-boats, and the Germans had early radar systems, I don't know if most people know this, but there's the Manhattan Project, everybody knows about that, the Oppenheimer movie, great movie, and I'm all for celebrating physicists, and this great is very, you got the

movie about a physicist who's, you know, doing good and, you know, trying to kill everybody, but, uh, but during the Manhattan Project, that gets a lot of attention, because it created the atomic weapons that eventually, you know, most people's opinions brought the end to the war in Japan. We were in a race against the Europeans, the Germans, in particular, before they developed a nuclear

but the Germans had the best scientists at the time, you know, the Heisenberg, an interesting credible scientific, that's where quantum theory began, and nuclear physics was

first understood was in Europe, but there was a parallel effort that almost nobody knows about,

and yet you use it every day, you know, if you're driving in a car, if you're flying in a plane, and it was radar. Radar was one of the most significant military advances of World War II, almost nobody knows about it, and it was also created by physicists, so that two of the most decisive technological enabling things were invented by astronomers and physicists operating in World War II and slightly before. Radar was particularly valuable, because it was much more

“deployable than the nuclear technology of Los Alamos and then leading to the bombs, right?”

That took this huge effort, you know, trillion dollars in today's dollars. Radar was much more accessible, any country could develop it, but at that time there was also an effort to do counter radar. You can't have counter nuclear weapons, I guess you could shoot them down with a patriot, but that doesn't really stop the process of nuclear detonation, right? But you could actually counter the radar with jamming with stealth, all those things were invented in the 1940s.

Some of whom were invented by colleagues of my colleagues that, you know, were still alive in this generation, essentially. And one of them was a name, a physicist, by the name of Louie Alvarez. Have you ever heard the hypothesis that the dinosaurs were killed by a meteor impact in the

Yucatan Peninsula, 66 million years ago? So speaking, because I'm an absolute minor professor,

so I will forget. So I brought some meteors here, okay? So these are honest to goodness, fragments of the early solar system that are older than the earth. These are 4.3 billion years old. These are found in Argentina, so this one's and I brought some more, how old is this? 4.3 billion

“years old, the earth is about 4.2 billion years old. This material, it's kind of dense, right?”

It's pretty heavy. It's also magnetic. Here's a compass. I'm going to do Mr. Wizard with you today, Sean. Here's a compass, magnetic compass. Put it next to there and maybe show the camera what happens to it. Well, I don't know if the camera can see it, but yeah. So it's good to flatten it, because these are magnetic. They're also slightly radioactive, but don't worry. The perfectly right. So what I wanted to do because I love the audience and the community that you've built, and for the people that serve and

have the courage to do things, I never had the courage of the ability to do. I want to give away

250 of these to the first members of the Sean Ryan show that have an APO post office box, which is military or government service post office box, so I can send these all over the world to any the first 200 people that have an APO box. So I made this special website, Briankeating.com/srs.

“So if they go there, whoever gets their first first come first serve, I will send them this actual”

meteorite. Oh damn, that's cool. And I'm going to send them information about what it's made of. It's composition, it's age where it was found, and how they can see meteor shower. Have you ever seen a meteor shower? Don't believe I have. Don't, I don't, you will love it. And here, you know, in God's country, I will give you a list of the four major meteor showers every year. You don't need a telescope. You don't need something, anything, even binoculars don't help you. Just your

naked eye, your wife, your kids. You go out on a night. You'll get the list of meteor showers at this website, Briankeating.com/srs. And I will tell you how to see them. Four times per year once per quarter, basically. These meteor is here, okay. These rocks here. These are older than this. The physicists who discovered that the dinosaurs were killed by a giant version of one of these 10 kilometers in size. Okay, I can bring that today. That crashed into the Yucatan Peninsula.

His name is Louis Alvarez. He'd go on to win the Nobel Prize in physics. He was the only scientist on the analogy. I'm going to drop the bomb in Hiroshima. This guy was one of super geniuses, almost nobody knows about. And World War II, his job was radar, not nuclear bombs, but he then got repurposed after he perfected radar. He said the following. He said, when an object gets close to a radar station, the radar is pinging it, right? And shooting out radar beams. And it's bouncing

off and it's measuring the timing as the plane is getting closer to the U-boat. On the U-boat's had pretty advanced radar systems. What he did is he built a spoofing system. He built a system that as it was getting closer, transmitted a signal that got weaker via the inverse square of the

sitting there in the boat. You're in the U-boat. You're going to cut my captain. Look, look, oh, it's going away. We have nothing to worry about. U-boat gets destroyed. He spoofed the radar by utilizing the laws of physics, broadcasting a signal decreasing as the inverse square of all as they were getting closer by the linear distance. Okay. Now imagine you're in the U-boat and you're looking at your showing your captain. He said, oh, it's going away. And then it drops a

bomb on you and you see that the last second. What would you say? He said, hey, that object is a UFO. It defied the laws of physics. It got here faster than the speed of light. They knew they were smart as frickin' hack, right? German sort of top military empire, the world that ever seen. They would say they defied the laws of physics. How do we know that some of the things that are

“happening now aren't military technologies? We have no idea. What's a simpler hypothesis?”

Occam's razor suggests the simplest hypothesis isn't always correct, but it's more likely than

an outlandish or less probable scenario, right? So, international beings with non-human biologics have traversed space in time at distances that we can't traverse in under 30,000 years with our best technology or the military or Chinese military, whatever military you like is spoofing us, making us think that that's the case, making it seem like it's defying laws of physics. Is that proof? But no, a scientist has to think this way, has to think epistemologically. I asked a question

in the Patreon tier that I'm a member at and Sean and the vigilance elite. I asked a question of Brian Keating. I said, "As Sean, if he's ever heard of the Feynman point, we've heard of the Feynman point." Richard Feynman, another titanic physicist, Manhattan Project Scientist, Professor Caltech, winner of the Nobel Prize, discovering a quantum theory, he found an interesting pattern in the number Pi. The number Pi is the ratio of a circle

circumference to its diameter. Okay, it's approximately 3.14. And if you're real nerd and you want nerdcred, you memorize it to more digits. 3.141592658. And you keep going and one of my kids can do it to 22 decimal places. Wow. Feynman measured it and he found really far out. You get to the number 6 in Pi, which goes on forever. But at a certain point, it goes 666666 is in a row. Nothing like that happens before. And that point is called the Feynman point. Do you know where

“the Feynman point occurs? How many digits of Pi you have to memorize out to to get to the Feynman”

point, Sean? No idea. 762. 762. So now Caliver. What's that? It's a great Caliver, right? I was wondering, like, is your handle because of the by 31 or 50? Hopefully, we'll try out the range at some point. So now you might say that's like, hey, Sean, you're not really cool, right? And you might say like, that's a really cool number. And Richard Feynman is really sort of or is it a coincidence. Scientists has to weigh both options. It could be aliens. It could be

human technology. Right now we have no evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt and a scientific sense, that aliens exist. The technology is visiting us. Does that mean it's impossible? Like I said, I'm in T. Antarctica. Antarctica is one seventh of the Earth's continents. If you just estimate it, if I told you, you're just an alien and I say, Sean, Earth is this blue green planet with an atmosphere and life's all around the planet. There are seven continents where land is,

where land-based animals can live. One out of seven continents is called, one of them is called Antarctica. I don't tell you where it is. I don't tell you anything about it. How much of Earth's

8 billion people live on that continent? What would be your first guess? Eight hundred.

Eight hundred million. Well, you know, you know. Yeah, I mean, I'd probably take the population divided by seven. Yeah, exactly, right? But we already told you. It's over a million, you know, it's over, yeah, it's almost a million times smaller than that. Right? It's a couple hundred hundred people at a time. So people like to say, well, the universe so big, you know, Avie and Love and You talked very, very extensively about that. The universe is really big. Well, the Earth is

really big, right? We don't find life everywhere on Earth. We only find humans, you know, one six of the

“seven continents. But by just pure logical explanation, you should expect to find it everywhere.”

So I'm not saying logic is a panacea. I'm not saying it's always the solution. And you should

only think scientifically. But I want to use it as a guide. It leases as much as we can as a human being species to get it knowledge in the most efficient, effective way possible. And if it turns up what it turns up, let's see what happens. Don't let the people suppress what the information is truly scientifically. Thank you. Thank you. Let's take a quick break. Yeah.

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In another lifetime, I did gun reviews for a living proprietary magazine. It's supposedly the best engineering in the world. When that breaks, you're... And now we're bringing it back. It does look pretty cool. I got it. I got it met that. All right, Brian, we're back from the break. I forgot to give you the gift. The Jonce Lee, gummy bears, made in the USA, legal in all 50 states. Not that you

have to worry about that. California is right. But anyways, are they kosher? I got it. I got to ask the question. Let's see. I don't know what that means. Comments here. Jellented. But not kosher, but I brought it down. Listen to my brother a little. I'll give it to my Jim Burr. This is for you, brother. But thank you very much. Yeah, so I want to get into the telescope. The bicep. Yeah,

can you, how did you, how did you get involved in that? So, you know, a lot of kids won their young men. They can be, look up to their dad. They can have difficulty with their dad. They can be competitive with their dad. My, you know, father was in the capital of football team. Am I going to be captain of the football team, you know, or whatever? Or my my my father's served. I'm going to serve. My father, you know, was the scientist. He was a professor.

And early on in my life, he got divorced from my mom. And when he did, he actually abandoned my older brother, Kevin and me. And we grew up adopted by my stepfather, Ray Keating, who was Vietnam pilot at fours and Casey one thirty fives, served in Vietnam. And he adopted us from my family, which was, I grew up Jewish, like I said, both parents were Jewish. And then my stepfather's family was Catholic. And he was, you know, 50 brothers and sisters, uncles and aunts.

And it was so such an incredible family. I mean, they're still, you know, tighter with me

than my own biological family growing up except for my brothers, of course, in my mom. But my father just, you abandoned us. So I actually changed my name. It was legally adopted. My name, when I was kid was not Keating, it was Axe, Brian Axe. So now it's Keating, change my name, my brother too. And, um, and he left. He just, you know, he abandoned me and my brother. I was seven, he, my brother was ten. And he moved to the West Coast and same 15, 16 years. Wow.

Until I started to kind of follow in his academic footsteps, which was weird because I didn't

“remember what he looked like. I was seven. Last time I saw him, my brother was ten. I never understood”

how he could abandon a ten year old. I was like, I'm seven, I'm not that important. But like my brother

to be honest with you, in any other. But he did. And he had his reasons later find out why,

“but, but, but it was worse reasons. He, he felt like my mother had turned us against him. That had,”

you know, she had kind of pitted us psychologically against him, which wasn't that big of a stretch because he was kind of an at home. You know, he, he tried to beat up my stepfather, came over one night drunk or whatever, trying to beat up my stepfather, take us back and he'd go through my, you know, visitation, to beat up a fucking season, to be a dom veteran. Yeah, he did work out. Didn't work out that well. Did not work that well. So, but he was this brutally complex, brilliant.

I mean, still the most, I've interviewed 23 Nobel Prize winners, puts all them to shame. I mean, he did. He passed away as you know, find out. But he was a great scientist. And, you know, when I was going through my formative years, you know, in the high school, I got really interested in astronomy. I got a telescope, just like this, and it changed my life. You know, I had been adopted. I'd been Jewish as from birth, but I was adopted. I got converted to Catholicism by my mom.

I might stepfather, change my name, got baptized, confirmed, and instead of being, it was called a bar mitzvah, when you're in Judaism and age 13, you become a man. So to speak, although having 13 year olds, now, it's kind of a far stretched common man, but anyway, it's just right a passage. I was actually not having my bar mitzvah. I was an altar boy in the Catholic Church of St. John and St. Mary and Chapaquan New York. I loved it. I had no

problems with the Catholic Church. I wanted to be a priest when I grew up until I discovered girls around the same age, and I just loved that whole environment, but along the same time, I got a telescope. And I looked up and I did those kind of observations that I told you Galaleo did. I didn't know Galaleo was. At first, I looked at the moon. I cratered on it. I looked at Jupiter. I had moons around it. I looked at Saturn. I had rings around it. This is, I looked at my neighbor Debbie. She was super hot.

Debbie, if you're still out there, never saw anything. But in reality, it transformed my world view

and I started to learn more. And this is before the internet in 1986, '87. There's a Google. There was not, you know, here the Sunday New York Times newspaper in Chapaquan, New York, right? So I could look up stuff. Oh, wait. I saw Jupiter. I mean, how many people out there know they can see a planet with their naked eye? We'll see a galaxy with their naked eye. You can do all that stuff. I got this telescope. I worked at a daily down the street, from where I was living in

Dobbs ferry at the time of New York. And I saved up enough money in my mom gave me a little money.

“And I bought a telescope and it changed my world and literally made me into a scientist. That's what”

I say out there. I need dads out there. You know, parents out there. Get your kid a telescope. Just do it. It's 50 bucks. Actually, I have a website. I'm probably keeping a calm slash telescope. It's, I don't get sponsor. I don't get, you know, big astronomy. NASA's not paying me to do this. But I give recommendations for telescopes for different budgets. And how does this insane? I have a telescope now costs a few thousand bucks. It takes Hubble kind of telescope images.

You know, incredible stuff. It's all electronic. You don't put your eye on it. But you can put just the most incredible vision into their mind. And then when they're 10 or 11 years old, maybe it'll be so crazy. It's amazing. When I was, because I've been looking at these

for my kids, because they're always my sons, like obsessed with the moon. And I was looking up

telescopes on Amazon. And I was like, holy shit. These things were like, find the damn stars for you and focus in. You don't even have to do anything. But don't start with that. It's always I did. And I started with old NASA. Yeah. You know, yeah. Just point it and look at when it works bright except for the sun. Okay. Don't look at the sun with your remaining good eye. Yeah, I suppose. So, but everything you can see the exact same things that Galileo saw. And unlike,

you know, scientists are saying people say, what's it like to be a scientist? I can't really tell you, yeah, like when I discovered the Higgs boson or they, you know, they discovered nuclear fusion,

“like, I don't know what that was like. Because you can't, there wasn't one guy who did it, right?”

But there was one guy who discovered the creators on the moons, the rings of Saturn, the moons of Jupiter. That's Galileo. And so you can not only see what he saw. This is what's insane about astronomy. For 50 bucks. So go out and get a freaking telescope for all your kids or grandkids or whoever shone. It's this cheapest kind of insurance that they'll be curious thinking for themselves individuals. You can see exactly what Galileo saw from the middle of San Diego or New York City.

Even he didn't need a Hubble telescope to see that stuff. He was a Northern Italy. You can see the exact same stuff. He saw even from a light polluted place like New York City. Creators, valleys on the moon, canyons. You can see the rings of Saturn.

who had conjectured that because Jupiter has moons around it, that the earth cannot be the center of

the solar system. Because Jupiter's moons are orbiting Jupiter, which itself is orbiting the sun. But it's not orbiting the sun. According to Aristotle, according to the Greeks, according to all of ancient received wisdom, you know, from following the science for the last 2000 years before Galileo. No, the sun was the center of the universe. Sorry. Cut that out. The earth was the center of the

“universe. In fact, that's what the Bible seemed to suggest. That's why he was, that's why Bruno was”

burned up the stake and that's why Galileo was put in jail eventually. And so when I found out, what happened to Galileo when he had these ideas? What did the Catholic church do to him? They threw him in prison for a scientific idea. And at that time, you know, I can't say it didn't have something to do with discovering girls to announce what he's showing, like not wanting to go all the way and be a priest. You know, it'd be around nuns all my life,

and that would be the only woman in my life. So no, so I decided at that point, like, I'm going to be an atheist. Like, I actually decided I'm going to be an atheist. Really? Yeah. Because you want to like girls? No. Well, that's not like some small thing, Sean. I mean, I just don't want to be a priest like girls. No, no, I just don't want to be a priest because I like girls. But no, I decided that I don't want to be a part of a religious organization that would punish

someone for scientific truth. And at that time, Pope John Paul II, who's, you know, my favorite Pope, I still love, yeah, I still love Catholicism. I still love the Pope, you know. But he was special.

He was a very special person. And even he never pardoned Galileo. He just said he was right.

Imagine like, you do something, you're in service or the president doesn't like give you a commendation. Certainly there's a good foundation, but they're like, you were right. We're not even going to take away the crime that we accused you of. We're not going to say that pardon you. I mean,

“there's something that was unsettling to me as a young, again, I was a 13-year-old nitwit, right?”

So what do you know? But at that time, it was kind of justification. That's when you decided to become an atheist. I literally decided to become an atheist. And there was another reason, because I said I was born Jewish, right? But it became Catholic, which Christianity served in the Catholic church. I loved it. And, and, and, you know, for me, I came from a tradition that's older than Christianity, right? Jesus Christ was a Jew. And I felt like, well, Christianity came along after Judaism,

right? It came along after Judaism, right? And Jesus was Christ was a Jew. So if Christianity has these challenges, like they're not going to accept scientific wisdom, or they didn't forgive Galileo. And so then I could say, well, Judaism's got to be wrong, because, you know, if something is based on, you know, if calculus is based on algebra, and, and, you know, calculus, you can say, well, calculus, or algebra's wrong,

then certainly calculus will be wrong. That's not true, but that's kind of the analogy I'm making. So I just felt like all of religion, you know, as these things, we have to listen to these

“these authorities, you have to do what they say, you have to think what they do, and you can't”

think for yourself. Again, I'm a 13-year-old at this point. I'm not a sophisticated 50-year-old, you know, professor, who was investigated religions and, and, and compared things and had much more experience than I do now, okay? And I did that. So at that time, I became a scientist in terms of curiosity, because I wasn't only looking at things, and, oh, cool, I started taking notes. I started doing research. I started, and again, this is before Google. And sometimes

the more you struggle to get information, like nowadays, I feel bad for my kids, and some sense, because they want to know, like, you know, how many golf balls fit inside the good of your blend? Like, literally, I would have to calculate, there was no tool to do that. I'm not saying

that's some important thing, but you get the point. Now, you literally look it up in one second,

you get instant gratification. You don't do any of the muscular work, you don't, you don't damage the muscle to break it down in your brain. And so I feel like they're losing out of that. For me, I was doing all that, and I felt like the more I learned about science, the less room there was for God. Look, I'm not the first person to say that, right? Nowadays, I'm practicing religious. I practice Judaism. So obviously, I came back to it. We can get to that later on.

But in the sense of knowing a little enough to be dangerous, that's kind of where I was at age 13. And I devoted my life to science. I taught myself calculus. You know, I didn't calculus when I was, and I grew up in rural upstate New York, you know, Northern Rochester County. I had to do it myself. I had to teach myself auto-died actively, learning all these different things, trigonometry, and then I was doing research in my telescope at night. I just loved it. I was

addicted to it. It was getting to that flow state, and that's all you want to do in life. And then

in 16 years or 15, you know, whatever. It was at that point 12 years. And I started to reproduce,

“and I was like, hmm, let me look up in scientific journals, like whatever happened to him,”

Jim Axe, James Ag. Whatever happened to him, what did he do? And I saw these papers about science. And it was like the most high level science, the origin of quantum mechanics, quantum entanglement, theory of relativity, or generally universe. And I'm like, this guy has my DNA, or I have his DNA, but there's something different. I wasn't raised with him, but I'm doing the same thing as him. It's weird. It felt creepy to be influenced by a ghost. I didn't know anything. I didn't

know if he was alive. Wow. And I hit 22, I was in grad school, 21 at Brown. So your mom, you know, they thought so bad. And they did kind of use us between his intermediaries. That was a challenge. In 1970s, happened a lot. And also, you know, to really, you know, give him the kind of negative judgment that he deserved. When you get divorced, you know,

hopefully, you know, it's never happened. But, um, you have child support. You have Almani. And he was

given the opportunity to choose between paying the back child support that he owed for myself and my brother, or giving us up to adoption to my stepfather Ray Keating. It was only 30 year old guy at the time. And he said, I don't pay the money. So you gave us up for adoption. So my name got changed. Brother's name got changed. I didn't see him. I hated him. I never. I was like, how could you abandon my older brother? I got to protect him. My older brother kept a camear on who you were close to.

Wasn't like, you know, they weren't close. They're very close. Gave him up because he hated my mother so much. And she hated him just as much. Okay. It was a very nasty divorce. Um, and so by the time I

hit graduate school, getting my PhD at Brown University, I started, again, the internet was pretty

young in mid-1990s. I started a research like, what did he do? Like, who was he? Is he alive? I didn't know.

“I never remember what he looked like. The last time I saw him was at a court in Long Island, New York.”

Sean, I didn't know what he looked like 15, 16 years later. It's bizarre. And I started a research what he was doing and what kind of research he was doing and what happened to him. And it turned out he was still writing things about like quantum mechanics, cosmology, relativity, all the stuff that I was like fascinated with and I wanted to dedicate my life to. But there was like quantum entanglement, like somehow he had influenced me from beyond the visual horizon.

I hadn't seen him, kept up with him. There was no internet really. So it was spooky. It was spooky action on a distance. He was influencing me. So I started research him, got more and more involved in it. I had, you know, kind of like a minor medical scare when I was like 22 and I thought it could be genetic and whatnot. And it turned out that my mother's mother and my father's mother both moved to the same part of Florida, which was called the the Yiddish Triangle.

You know, all these Jewish grandmothers, they all get together and they live, you know, three miles around Sunrise Florida on the East Coast of Florida. That's a great place to retire. And they were living based in like retirement community, like phase two sunrise palms and phase eight, you know, whatever. And they hated each other too, but they had friends that were friends with each other. So these two Jewish grandmothers got connected via their other Jewish grandmother friends.

I'm going to call the Yendenet. Like before the internet, there was the Yendenet. These old Jewish grandmothers talk, they started talking talking talking. I'll Brian's at Brown University, he's assigned to the other one says this, do you know, he's still alive? Oh, you know, somehow my father finds out that not only am I alive, I mean, he didn't know, but but I'm studying math and science and physics. And I'm on a top school at Brown University's obviously a great school.

And one night in my in my dorm at Brown, I get a phone call, pick up the phone, and he goes, this is Jim Axe. And I before he said, Jim Axe, I knew it was him. I knew his voice. I don't know, Sean. Sometimes the ears deeper than the eye. And so we talked for five hours straight, but he was living in California. Yep. Everything math, science, physics, one thing we avoided is why he abandoned me.

But I was just so curious. It's like, imagine if I gave you a book from your Greek, Greek,

“a grandfather. Like, how much would you pay for that book? By the way, you have to write a book.”

If you don't write your memoir, you know, someone else is going to write it for you. And your Greek, Greek, Greek grandkids will want to read that book. Everyone's going to write a book, but especially

but, but don't let it go too far. And I really hope you do because you'll influence so many people

“to the good as you've already done. And a book is like, I love your podcast. You know,”

do I ever go back and listen to like episode like 14? No one's ever got, you're not going to go back and listen to it, right? But you can take all the wisdom that you've distilled. Not just the non-knowledge is like dirt. Not only just everywhere. Wisdom is nowhere. Take that wisdom, put in the book. That's all I'm saying. Your kids, your future kids. Well, anyway, so he and I talk for this whole time. Get back together. Finally, I'm like, wow, this guy has done so much. He's still going,

he's still hungry. Yeah, he's got all these flaws. But where do we go from here? And I realize like, he had won all these awards as a scientist. And I was like, I can't, I don't know how to say it. I'm

really never talked about it. But I wanted to make him, I'm really like embarrassed. But I'm going

to say, I wanted to make him regret that he ever gave up on me by doing what he never did, which is when I don't know about the prize. Makes sense. You want to make him proud of you. I wanted to make him proud, but I wanted to make him regret a little bit of punishment for him, even though I let him back into my life. And even though he got back with my mother, you know, when they became friends, I didn't get back married, right? And he can friends and bond it over grandchildren,

later on in life. And he died very young. He died 69 years old, 20 years ago, exactly. But between the time of graduate school when I was 22 and when he died, I was 33, 34. We became closer than any two sons I've ever known. And during that time, I got incredibly interested. Like I said, I want to make him, there must be a German word for like, you know, like shot and Freud,

“there must be some word for like prideful regret. But anyway, that's what I wanted. And so I invented,”

I said, I got a fine sign that's going to win the Nobel Prize. And that's the highest award. I don't care what it is, like Olympic gold, you know, like Grammy award winner, you know, BET, or whatever. I don't care what it is. Signal award, all the podcast stuff you want. There's nothing like the Nobel Prize. There's only like 200 people on earth that are alive.

That have Nobel Prize. It's got of 8 billion people. They intellectual, you know, seal, you know,

seal team members, okay? They're the brightest of the brightest point, you know, 001% of the planet earth. I want to be there partially for, you know, these vinyl and bivalent reasons I had about him, but partially because I'm just so curious about the earth in the world and nature and science and God and how they all mix together. And for me, the way that was the ticket to do all these things,

“was to build an instrument to explore Genesis 1 1, like how the heck did the universe come to be?”

Not just the aliens and the black holes in the galaxy, but the universe itself. And it's a dangerous thought because, you know, people have been killed for this, people have been trying now. Nowadays, we don't live in that kind of environment. So when we talk about the government lies, it's okay. It is true. They probably do and they've done a lot of bad stuff to a lot of friends of mine as well. But it's nothing in comparison to the lack of freedom that Galileo had, that, you know,

geodonobruna had, okay, nothing like that. I'm not going to compare myself to those people, right? I can do whatever I want. I have 10 years. I've brilliant graduate students, collaborators. I have resource funding, supporters, the government's sponsor lots of, I work at a public university. Now I've got paid Gavin Newsom's my boss, you know, lucky me for a few more months left at least. So this is all to say that I wanted to win a Nobel Prize at all costs,

but I was for tutors because it was also studying something that's guaranteed to win a Nobel Prize if we could do it, which is to take a snapshot of what happened before the Big Bang.

Basically, before the universe started off, and it's incredibly intricate and just phenomenal

acceleration and expansion. What caused the Big Bang to bang? What's the primer strike? What's the inciting incident that caused the explosion of the universe? Nobody knew it. There were theories about it and so I design a telescope that doesn't see light. It sees heat. It sees microwave radiation and that microwave radiation is all around us. It suffuses the universe and it's the left over heat from the fusion nuclear fusion of the first elements hydrogen and helium and their isotopes.

And that left over heat is a fossil that travels through space and it travels through time. And we can detect it and we can build instruments that can sense it.

during the first moments of the universe's history before the expansion that started to take over that we call the Big Bang. And crucially, what happened on the island? I could say, what happened on a Tuesday before the Big Bang? There was a day, right? If you think back, today we're in May, 2026. It's a Tuesday. We can keep going back, back, back. We think the universe

is 13.826 billion years old, tiny little uncertainty. But we can keep going back and let's say the

Big Bang occurred on a Tuesday, right? Just by 24 hours times 365 times 13.826 billion years, right? You can get a number. You can get a day. You can get a calendar day on our calendar now. It doesn't mean the calendar existed. Earth didn't exist, right? But there's a day. What happened the day before that?

“That's what we want to know. And for the first time in human history, we could possibly do it.”

Oh, and by the way, if I did it myself, my colleagues, maybe, would win a Nobel prize. And finally, get that come-op-ins that I sow, you know, whatever. My many failures. But one of them was that desired to show up my dad. Wow. So where do we go over there? Well, it took me to the South Pole. I took me to Antarctica. When you get a coffee and you put in the microwave and a ceramic cup, like you're awesome swag and merch outside that I love. You pour it into a cup, right?

You can put the coffee in the microwave. You can put it in there for five minutes. Don't do this at home. It's very dangerous, actually. But you can actually microwave it and it'll get above the boiling point of water, right? And then you could take the mug out. You can just grab the mug. Why is that? You got 300 degree Fahrenheit water in there, potentially, about to explode. And the ceramic cup

is room temperature, basically. Why is that? Because ceramic is completely dry.

“There's no water. It's been baked in an oven for hours. That's what makes it. That's how you make”

ceramic clay and stuff like that. The water in the coffee is not dry. It's wet. It's full of water. Microwaves from the microwave oven, jostle water at just the right frequency. It's a resonant frequency that starts to vibrate and interact with other water molecules. That's what causes it to heat up. You can't heat up something in a microwave that doesn't have water in it. And that is tuned exactly for the resonant frequency of water molecules. And that causes it to heat up dramatically.

So if you're trying to detect microwaves from a source, from a planet, from a galaxy, from the big bang itself, you want to go somewhere where there's no water. Namely, you want to go somewhere very high up. Maybe you could go out or space. But that's very expensive to put a rocket and satellite and a telescope and space, very difficult takes a long time. It's been done, but only three times in all of human history.

We had satellites take pictures of the signal from space because of the cost and difficulty to do that. And actually, nowadays, we can do it almost better from the earth, from the South Pole, Antarctica, where it's been twice. And from Chile, in the Otacama Desert, there's about 5,200

“meters above sea level, 17,000 feet. It's so high up that you have to wear oxygen, full time in”

your nose, because you're above half the atmospheric water pressure. You're at the flight level, 1-8-0 for my pilot friends. Infrared radiation is cooking you. There's huge equipment that can kill you, bulldozers, people drive off roads. There's not like the same kind of road safety that we have. Don't have it down there. It's like being on the planet Mars. In fact, NASA uses it as a test place to test out lunar rovers and lunar helicopter, Martian helicopters and Martian rovers.

Oh, before I forget this, I won't send to your viewers, but being on Mars. This is a piece of Mars. This is the actual planet Mars. It's a meteor that came from the planet Mars. It was knocked off by a bigger chunk of an asteroid blasted into space,

orbited around the Earth for probably 20 million years and landed in Northwest Africa. Wow.

This here, you can actually touch, how do you know that? The chemistry and the spectrum that it reflects, we analyze it, is 100% match for Martian rovers that have been there, like the ones I was just talking about. So this is a gift for you. Pretty rare. You can see it, it has little bits of like, see the little bits of like oranges flakes, metal. That's iron.

and those little specks in their iron. So that's another planet that's taken millions of years to get

“here. And here's the cover for it. I have a certificate for you. I'll give you later on.”

It tells you all about it. It's properties and so forth. So to test out before we send a Martian rover, they send it to the Otacama Desert where we have the Simon's Observatory. So you guys, where do we go from here? So we built this instrument in starting in 2005. That was meant to do just one thing, to take an image of the baby picture of the universe, the oldest light in the universe is called the cosmic microade background radiation.

It's the heat that's left over when you do nuclear fusion or fission, heat is given off. When that heat is given off and the universe expands, it cools off. It red shifts and dilutes, gets less energetic and now we see it instead of being gamma rays or ultraviolet light. We see it in the form of microwaves, long wavelength radiation, characteristic wavelengths about two millimeters.

The correspondence about 150 gigahertz. This radiation was discovered for the first time in 1965.

“Outside of New York City, by two astronomers, Penzias and Wilson, and they went onto”

in the Nobel Prize in Physics. And this discovery was so significant because it was the first physical evidence. In other words, not just philosophical or theoretical. All the universe could be expanded. It was proof that the universe was once in an extremely hot and dense state. And that can only be possible to create nuclear fusion, which creates the hydrogen, that's in the water that you're drinking, it creates the helium that we have in balloons and other other uses for.

So, the elements of the period table are made during the Big Bang, but when fusion occurs, heat is left over, we still see that heat to this day. So what we're looking for is that heat,

and you still see the heat to this day. So when the universe starts to expand,

everything gets stretched out. Their galaxies, galaxies are now moving away from each other. Things on earth don't get stretched apart. Things on our solar system don't get stretched apart. Even things in our galaxy don't get stretched apart. They're held together by gravity. But anything beyond, say the end, drama to galaxy and beyond, is actually expanding away from us. Space itself is expanding. The space, according to Einstein, is dynamic. It's not static as Isaac Newton

showed. He said, "No, the space is dynamic. The more energy you put into it, the more space expands." And so originally, Einstein didn't believe in the Big Bang. He felt the Big Bang was not well justified. He thought it was completely wrong, and he thought it's smacked of religion. Actually, Einstein was not religious. He spoke about God sometimes, but he didn't really believe in God the way that we would think of it. And he said that the universe was not expanding. It's static.

“And the only way that he could get that to be, the case is if he inserted into his equations,”

his fudge factor that kept the universe from collapsing on itself. And that expansion we now find is actually going in reverse. It's not only not static. It's not only not collapsing. It's actually expanding at an accelerating rate. It's like pushing on the cosmic accelerator pedal. It's not a constant velocity. Every galaxy is moving away. And tomorrow, the rate of moving away will be bigger than it was today. That's the heart of the Big Bang concept, meaning that if you

reverse that, everything gets closer together. So galaxies will be closer in the past. Eventually, you reach a point where all the galaxies in the universe are all touching. And all the matter in the universe is in one point. And that point is thought to be a singularity. And that point of singularity is the Big Bang in the Big Bang concept. It doesn't tell you anything about how the Big Bang started though, just says, once the Big Bang occurred, the universe started expanding and accelerating.

And we should see evidence for it scientifically. And we do. We see tremendous amounts of evidence. There's zero doubt that the universe is expanding. And there's some doubt about how fast this is expanding. That's another subject. But no one disagrees. No cosmic police officer with a radar going, when say, no, you're static or you're collapsing, no, the universe is expanding. And so there are signatures of that expansion everywhere, like a radar Doppler shift,

but of all the galaxies that we see in the universe. And in fact, of all the heat and radiation we see in the universe as well. And the type of radiation that we look for is called the cosmic microwave background. And the best place to look for it is at the South Pole Antarctica, or in the mountains of Chile. So I have two different experiments that I've been involved with. One is Bicep, which is an acronym, a background imagery of cosmic extragalactic polarization.

And in 2014, we claimed we saw that primer strike that ignited the Big Bang. So we claimed we did the thing that I wanted to do to show my father to win a Nobel Prize

So something went wrong. Something went really wrong. We made a claim that we saw what caused the universe to begin its expansion. And that's a type of quantum field. We call that quantum field the inflaton or the inflationary field.

And we said, we detected the shrapnel of the explosion, basically.

“If you wanted to detect something, like you hear someone unarranged shooting, right?”

You could, you could detect that they're shooting in a variety of different ways, right? Visually, you could detect it. You could detect the sonic, you know, impact of it. You could have eyewitnesses to it. You could have photographic cameras watching it. You could have infrared. You could even have, you know, some particles inside the, the potassium inside of gunpowder, a potassium of 40. It's radioactive. So you could actually see the dispersion

of the smoke cloud of radioactive potassium. And you could detect neutrinos, muons, other things coming from, I'm making this up. I mean, it's true. You could do that. I'm just saying, there's more than one way that's going to cat, right? So there's more than one way to detect something

“if you can't see it. So we've devised these different types of tools and technology to see things”

that we could not have possibly witnessed, namely the origin of the universe, like there are no people there. There are not even any stars or galaxies or planets or aliens or anything there, right? It was the origin of energy and matter itself. But what caused it? If this theory called inflation is right, there would be a signature, like smoke from the gun, called gravitational radiation, waves of ripples in space time. You and Avi Lobs spoke about what space time is. Space time is interconnectedness

of all different events that could possibly occur in the entire observable universe back to the beginning of time. And so we're looking for the earliest shock waves that would come with the explosive expansion of space. And those are called gravitational waves. We look for them in the C&B and this causing microwave background. And we said on St. Patrick's Day 2014 at a press conference at Harvard that was led off by Avi Lobs made the introduction. I wasn't there. I had been

unceremoniously removed from the the leadership of the team that I had first started. That's that's another story. But the announcement made headlines around the world. They are times CNN, my hometown newspaper. And at that moment, I had been a little bit unsure about the real veracity of the results if they would hold up in court in a sort of scientific court of law. Or if we had seen things that mask arrayed as a signal that you want to see. Richard Feynman again, Feynman point seven

six two digits into pie six six six is in a row. He said the the first principle in science is that

“you shouldn't fool yourself. But the second principle in science is that you should think that you're”

the easiest person to fool. It's like you're out of poker table. You don't know who the the

patty is. You're the patty, right? Scientists should always think that he or she is the patty.

That he's going to make a mistake. And then do everything in their power to resist that temptation to make an announcement that could win an Nobel Prize or whatever and do every sort of due diligence check it could do possible. And we thought we did, but we missed one crucial element that there was a type of signal that comes from the cosmos. It comes from our galaxy in fact, but it doesn't come from the big bang. And it's exactly related to these meteorites. Again, Ronkeening.com/srs if you have an

APO address. These meteorites are actually the corpses of dead stars. When a star above a certain mass explodes, eight times the mass of our sun, it explodes out and it's a fusion bomb that goes off in space with the equivalent tonnage of, you know, trillions and trillions and trillions of Hiroshima bombs. It's eight solar masses converted to energy vehicles and C-squared. When it does that, the reason it does that is because it's trying to make this material iron and nickel. Good.

When a star fuses oxygen, silicon, together to make iron, everything else before it gets to iron

gives off more heat than it takes in. The fusion reaction always gives off heat, but the heat that's

given off when it makes iron is too insignificant to keep the star afloat. So the star runs out of pressure and collapses. And then it detonates out in a shockwave in one half a second, a star that's been living for 20 million years, ends its life in half a second in a nuclear fusion implosion that

That's why this is iron. Guess what else is iron? Hemoglobin. Your blood, right now, has the same iron isotope as this meteorite. Why is that? Well, your mother lived on earth. She ate food in the earth. She's made of by human biologics, right? Not David Gretches. Not on human. She's made of hopefully your mom's not a feet in or whatever they talk about. So she ate food. Food is made from the earth. The earth has iron in it because it came from a explosion from a supernova. So this

supernova didn't blow up 4.3, 4.5 billion years ago. We wouldn't have this iron. So this iron

is older than the earth. It became part of our molten iron core, and our solid iron core, and it became part of our food chain. And it's in the blood that we bleed. We all bleed the same iron that came from a supernova. Wow. So wow. These meteorites float around in space. And it turns out that they can actually mimic the signal that would have represented the primer strike to ignite the big bang. So we got tricked into believing we saw the big bang when I really saw a bunch of meteorites

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What do you think happened the day before? Well, so I always say things like, you know,

people say, "Do you believe in God?" You know, I've heard you have. I heard you talk to our mutual friend Andrew Huimran, you know, came a Christian, right? He believes in God. Actually, he was a little perturbed at Andrew. I told him later when I was on his show.

“But like a scientist should say, I believe in something, okay? So in Hebrew, the, you know,”

the word for faith is in Hebrew, Emuna. Emuna is where we get the English word, Amen. It means I believe. It means I have faith, right? Say, amen. In Hebrew, that word means, it means faith. It doesn't mean belief. Belief is a different word, just like it is an English, right? I would say, I don't believe in God, right? I don't believe in gravity either. If I take this, it drops, according to the laws of Isaac Newton. This is a law. I have evidence for gravity.

So I don't have to say like, do I believe in something? I should say, I should look for evidence of something. I'm not saying this for everybody, but I'm a scientist. I don't want to say I believe in God. I want to say I have evidence for God, which is stronger. You believe in God or you have evidence for God. Now, you may believe that you have evidence for God. Jesus may be enough have crossed the evidentiary threshold for you. Many people it has. I'm obviously Jewish,

I'm not the same theology. But, but in fact, we have things that we say we believe in,

“and then we say things we say we know. And that distinction, I think, is really important.”

So you asked me, what do I believe happened? Or what do I think happened? I, I, that question to a scientist is anathema because we don't want to be prejudiced to that. That's what God has said to trouble with this experiment. We believe we saw the signal that would give Brian Keating the novel prize, right? I mean, I wasn't the only goal of it. But that's where that's where you get into trouble as a scientist. We both think about it too. I do. Yeah,

be have any evidence for what may have happened the day before. The exactly like what you and I talked about with aliens, right? So, so we don't have any evidence for it. The universe, again,

imagine like Zurtsees versus, you know, what's the name of the answer? Leo Paul this or whatever, like 300 versus an infinite number, right? Zurtsees is like Mother Nature, like just an infinite army. It completely unstoppable, technological. Mother Nature doesn't give up her secrets. But like, you know, like a like Gerald Butler, you know, in that movie, a small group of dedicated people can make great gains, right? I'm trying to get more and more evidence for both believing, you know,

what I want to believe to be true or what I hope to be true, both in science and in religion. It's, but I'm not, I am under no illusions that a God cares if I believe in him or not,

just like gravity. You jump out of a plane without a parachute, you know, I always say,

“you don't need a parachute to skydive, right? You only need a parachute if you want to skydive a”

second time. Like, I believe in gravity, you know, to the extent that I need to, but I have evidence for gravity. I want to feel like it will same way about God. So what are the options? Just as you and I talked about aliens. Aliens could be real, interdimensional, non-biological beings, or whatever, right? They could be AIs traversing the cosmos at light speed. They could be, you know, Chinese, science, science, science. They could be German, like Louis Alvarez, playing around with

the German's minds, breaking the laws of physics. They could be a sign-up by the government. They could

be a mass delusion or a hysteria, or they could be really, truly, masters of interdimensional

travel, right? Those are different hypotheses. Now we have to go through each one, evidentiary, what's a chain, and so for cosmology, same thing. They're alternatives to the big

“bang. The big bang posits that at one moment in time time came into existence. You couldn't ask”

what happened the day before that makes no sense. That's like saying, go to the South Pole with me next time and go south. You know, happens when you go south from the South Pole at the South Pole, you go north. There's no such thing. It doesn't exist. Some say that's just even Hawking, believe that. There's no time before the big bang. Others say that a competitive theory is the universe existed before the big bang, and collapsed in crunch, just like the supernova,

that collapsed in crunch reform, our supernova, that big crunch led to the big bang. Another one says an interdimensional concept called string theory that existed in higher dimensions than we exist in, 10-dimensional, string theory domain, that two different types of what are called membranes came together, and ignited what we call the observable blue big bang. Another theory says, we exist in a multiverse, which just as there's more than one planet,

there's more than one star, there's more than one galaxy, there's more than one cluster of galaxies, why shouldn't there be more than one universe? What do you think about that? So that's a let me just get to the last, and then there's a final topic, which is that the universe didn't have a big crunch and singularity. It's just been slowly over time interacting, expanding, and collapsing, expanding, and collapsing, like a breathing of a lung, coming into and out of creation

and producing things. Now, as a scientist, we can't prove something. We cannot prove that the universe had a big bang. We also, strangely enough, we can't prove the earth is round. I don't know if you're aware of this. We can't prove that the earth is round, okay? We have this discussion many

“times. Now, that's something people say, I believe the earth is round, I believe the earth is flat,”

I always joke, there are people that believe the earth is flat all around the globe, you know,

it's, you'll find them everywhere, Sean. But in reality, you can show that the earth is not flat, but you can't show that it is curved. You understand the difference? You can prove something wrong in science, but you can't prove something is right. You can't prove something is right. I can say I have evidence for evolution, and they're competing theories of evolution that exist in, but they've been falsified, proven wrong. And if you can't prove something is wrong,

or if you can't at least expose it to the opportunity of it being wrong, then it's not science. Right? Astrology, when I was doing my wife, we went to the, you know, downtown Mission Mission Beach, San Diego, you know, they have a boardwalk and they had a fortune teller. And she's like, oh, let's see our fortune, see if we're compatible, you know, I'm like, she's an English major, you know, like she, uh, fine. I, you know, I really love this girl. I want to marry her,

so I'm going to play around with it, even though it's anathema to everything I believe,

And, you know, I say, um, Gemini, and, uh, she, oh, okay, um, you know, here are these different

“things, your personality, and your moon sign, your son sign, listening to this, and then I said,”

oh, thank you very much, I'm on, you know, my future wife, my girlfriend at the time. Oh, very, you know, it's really good. She's, everything's not really good, like, compatible and everything. And I got up and I, just to be a dick, you know, I said, um, I just want to confirm, um, I'm born in September, um, that's Gemini, right? And she said, no, no, that's Virgo. But the same things are going to happen to you anyway. And there was, it didn't matter what I said,

it didn't matter what evidence I gave her. It was on falseifiable zero-futable. That's not science. That's fun, you know, it's card trick, uh, you know, entertaining. She made her 50 bucks, whatever, and we're still married to 18 years later. But to me, the, the, the prospect that you will not submit your theory to, to falsification. And that's some of the problem I have with Avila. Okay, I love Avila. But I said to Avila on my podcast when he came on for his first book.

“Um, I said, Avila, you believe that Omuma is extraterrestrial. It's like the title of your book, right?”

You believe it came from another source. And you believe it's technological. Remember, he told you, he thinks it's a thin solar sail. Technological only technology can build a solar sail that captures solar wind from another star directed from where we don't know. But to where we do know because it came through our solar system. Was it intentional? Was it unintentional? He thinks it's, could be like a garbage barge or something like that. And I don't know why you'd put like,

you know, your, your, your, your trash bin on a solar sail and send it out into the universe rather than

just crash into the nearest sun. But let's just say he's right. I said, Avila, you always brag to me and

you're lucky you're at Harvard University. You know, where everyone's above average. And we should talk about Harvard and, and Jeffrey Epstein at some point. But, um, and Avila's not involved with any of that, by the way. Uh, but I said, you know, Harvard, everyone's above average. And, and you happen to have access to these, you know, copious apply of billionaires. And everyone, you know, loves the Harvard and promoter. You say Harvard. And that's part of the reason Avila gets a lot of the attention he gets.

But also a lot of the hate that he gets. People, you know, and he's one of the most legitimate scientists published 757 different articles in scientific peer review journals, multiple books, you know, the guy works hard at, you know, when I'm interviewing him, some of the, some of the, obviously, show me your hands. It's like, let me, let me, let me, but I'm like, my shit, I said, I want to make sure you're not writing a book while we're talking. You know,

he's so productive. I mean, he's off the charts. Okay, but I said, obviously, you have access to these

billionaires. Imagine that Omo Moa, at the time, it's the first object ever to come from another

technological solar system like the earth. And you know, a billionaire who can fund a rocket to send a telescope to go catch up with it. And he said, as he told you, um, no, but I didn't be late for the Vino Rubin telescope to come online and it will capture me. I said, obviously, you're happily married even longer than I am. Imagine like you're with your wife. You don't know she's going to be your wife. You're dating or maybe she just seared in the coffee shop or he

“meant around a blind date. I think he told you, right? And it's a blind date and like you're”

with her and you're like, oh, she's really nice, but I think some of them better is going to come along soon. You know, how do I know some of them better is not going to come along, you know, Brian, and I said, you would do anything. This obviously now would do anything to that, obviously, show up. You idiot, ask her out, keep going on a date with her because you're going to have two beautiful daughters with her and you're going to have a life of happiness and love. But he's

saying the opposite. He's saying, no, I'll just wait till the next one comes along. I said, obviously, I don't know. Do you really believe this is this is as technologically advances you say it is because to me, Sean, I would do anything. If I thought with as much faith and confidence, this obviously does that these are extraterrestrial technology, I would do anything, especially if I had access to a couple of billionaires and the endowment of Harvard University. So we looked

to falsify things, not to prove things and that was kind of a tangent we just got out of them. To our dad's questions for people to think like that, do you, even though, with everything that you just said, you still have to think about it, you still have to think, is there a multiverse? No, you're right to press me on that. You know, and so what goes through your head without making assumptions or what are the ideas? So this might make people uncomfortable.

I approach it again as a scientist and I'm candid. I'm one of the few scientists that's openly religious, that practices his religion take his religion seriously. Learned Hebrew at age 30, it wasn't easy to learn Hebrew at age 30. You know, I married someone who's Jewish, which is important thing for the continuity that Jewish people, and in my research I learned in Israel,

thing when you were talking to Andrew, I started off on a side quest here, but you're going to Andrew Huberman, or old expert on sleep, and you guys were talking about cannabis and you're talking about gummies and you're talking about vaping and everything else. And I said, "I know a Sean Nean's," and it's not, it's not a product. It's called the Sabbath. You know,

“we just had this national Sabbath Donald Trump home. Do you work as much as I think you work?”

Do you work seven days a week, pretty much? Pretty close. I see it in you. And it's no surprise.

I mean, this, this studio is amazing. I mean, first of all, I have to say, this is the second

most number of guns. I've ever been around in a podcast. After the Mayan Bialic podcast, that's a joke. She's, she's the girl who played Blossom, and was on the Big Bang Theory. This is the most, and this is the most impressive studio. You know, I've been on really a nice podcast. I've been blessed to be on the, you've created this huge empire, and it's no secret that your hard work, your work ethic, progenetically, this is something you're like destined to do.

But the one unlock that maybe you haven't had just pretty humble. I'm, I'm trying to be humble. I'm not a medical doctor. I'm not even like Andrew, you know, is in the Bialic. But the one thing

“that saved my life is taking one day off a week. It's a Sabbath for me. It's a Saturday for you.”

It could be a Sunday. I don't do email. I don't, I don't, I don't do podcasts. If you invited me here, I think, actually, I was supposed to come two days from now. It's a holiday two days from now on the Jewish calendar called Shivuot, which it means pentacost in English. We call pentacost. It's a, it's a biblical holiday. I'm no allowed to work on that holiday. And so I said,

I can't make it. But luckily, you know, Laura and Sarah, I think you're all amazing team,

is just so excellent and elite for real. But I wouldn't have done it. As much as this great opportunity for me, Sean, I wouldn't have done it. Because I want to be with my God. I want to be with my wife. I want to be with my kids, my community, my family. I want to dedicate one seventh of my life to something other than achievement and like Nobel Prizes and emails and Slack messages. And I'm not saying it's a panacea, but I know like I knew Charlie Kirk

a little bit through my relationship with Dad's Prager and Jordan Peterson. And he, his most recent book, which he dedicates to Dad's Prager for introducing him to, and it's about the keeping of the Sabbath for Christians. And it's been a, it was a huge onlock for him. It was literally the

last thing I ever wrote and his wife put it out posthumously. So I just want you to consider it.

But for me, this is all big disclaimer. Maybe it's a little too, you know, legalistic or professorial for me to do this. But I want to say that I take my religion seriously. But that doesn't mean I'm not okay with, with accepting everything the way it is. In Hebrew, the word Israel means to fight with God. Yes, I mean struggle. El means God. You know, Islam means, um, Islam means submission to God. It was a two different, very different approaches,

right, to submit the God and, and they're, they're valid, right? I'm not going to say which one is which. And Christianity is somewhere in the middle, right? There's there's acceptance of Jesus as a personal savor who died for your sins and absolves you of those sins. And God gave his only son, current Christianity, for your sins, for you, for your personal God. Christian and Judaism, we don't have that concept. But that's okay. We're different religion

that's fine. Otherwise, we don't be one religion. But Israel means to struggle with God to fight with God. And if I don't ask questions and subject, God, in some sense, not to prove them wrong, not to say, you know, like, I'm better than God. It's most of my, and 93% of my colleagues

“don't believe in God at all. And I'm in the 7% I think it's probably even smaller than that now.”

You asked Avi about that and he kind of gave you a little wishy wash hands. As much as I love Avi, I wasn't satisfied with that answer. But for me, if I can't question God, if I can't ask for evidence, if I can't demand some level of scientific rigor in my approach to it, I don't feel authentic to who I am. So I gave you the whole preamble about how seriously I take God and religion the Sabbath and why I recommend it to so many people. But I'm also going to approach

it scientifically. So what do I hope in science? Do I hope there's a multiverse? Do I hope there's part of that's connected to my attempt to inculcate my science with religion to get a sense of can we test claims in the Bible, in my case, the Torah, the Old Testament? Can I test them scientifically? Can you test them in a lab? Could you test them with a telescope? Obviously, there's some connection between them. Otherwise Galileo wouldn't have been in

The Pernicus published his theory that the Earth is not the center of the universe,

is not the center of the universe. He published that the day he died because he knew he would

“probably torture and look what happened a couple years later to Bruno and Galileo, right?”

So God and science and cosmology, they go hand in hand. For me, I've made it kind of an interesting quest because those different models that I explained to you, the steady state, static universe, the big crunch universe, the multiverse universe, and the slow expansion universe, those are four models of what could have came before the big bang. One of them says nothing. One of them says we live in a multiverse that's eternal and has existed for all time.

One of them says the universe is slowly changing and modulating but is eternal and one says the universe came into time at a specific moment for a specific reason caught by a specific cause. That one sounds the most like Genesis one one, right? In the beginning. It doesn't say after the big crunch, it doesn't say like in the multiverse, you know, God created the universe, it doesn't say in the beginning and Hebrew would actually like that means there's nothing

before that. That's right. So what is that? You just projected onto exactly what I'm attempting to do. You constructed a scientific hypothesis that's open to falsification. Okay, pause that. Think about what you just said. That proves that suggests that there's a beginning. What if we find there's not a beginning? Whatever that means, that has just falsified that theory called Genesis theory, called Ryan theory, whatever you want. You could falsify it.

Guess what? You just did. You proved that's part of science. To me, that's exhilarating. That means I can investigate whether or not the big bang occurred, whether or not time came into existence versus whether or not we live in a multiverse. I can investigate that and get paid by the regions of the state University of California. I could do it. I would do it for free by the way. Gavin, if you're watching. I know you're watching Gavin, and you've got a podcast. You want to be

election on. I would do it for free, but please, you know, let me keep my salary. The point is, you just suggested a scientific hypothesis that could be refuted. It's falsifiable. Therefore, by the rules that we've explicated earlier, it's scientific question. There's something wrong with asking questions, seeking proof. Which would you rather have

“shown? Believe that Jesus existed? Can you prove that Jesus existed? Can you prove it? Can I prove it?”

Yeah. No. Can you think it could be proven by somebody, you know, a billion, a hundred

of you loaves or, you know, someone just off the charts. Maybe. Maybe, but maybe not. Maybe it's not provable. Does that mean that you shouldn't believe in Jesus? Of course not. Of course not. To take away someone's religion is almost impossible. Is anyone who's ever had a job as witness come to their house and not going to door or more, say, like we'd like to tell you about, right? Guess who hates to take their religion away most of all, atheists? You tell on atheist, most scientists?

Like, your religion, quote unquote, is more dogmatic than any Christian I've ever met my life. Oh, come on, they're just, you know, patsies or what? They don't even know that seeking the questions of the type that you and I just discussed is perfectly kosher, is perfectly acceptable in the context in domain of scientific reasoning. Would you rather have, I bet it doesn't matter to you, because you do have strong faith? But if someone said, here is proof, like, you know, the shroud of

terrain or, or there's, you know, we found some, some eyewitness estimate or we found physical evidence approves, not only the Jesus existed, but that he was resurrected and that he was ascended. And this is irrefutable proof of the claims of the gospels.

“And I said, here's Sean, here's a book. Do you want to read that book? There has all this evidence?”

Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. You're a curious person. There are people that wouldn't want to read that book. There are people who would read the book, but it doesn't matter to them. There's a famous story in a Bergenbels and concentration camp. A lot of Jews perish there and some are rabbis. And in 1943, they were doing, they decided they would hold a trial and put God on trial. They said, "Should God have created humanity if it leads to Holocaust genocides and killing?"

And they put God on trial. These rabbis, they had prosecution and defense.

The overwhelming evidence from the rabbis and the jury was a God was guilty and God never

"Let's go for the afternoon prayers." And there were some people who didn't matter. It doesn't matter if you have physical evidence, it doesn't matter if you have scientific evidence.

Their faith is unshakable. And finally, I salute that. I'm weaker than that. I don't have that

“ability, Sean. Well, I think it is a similar, I mean, you're trying to, how do you”

word it? You cannot disprove. Jesus is existence. For God. For God's. You know, in my Bible, it's soon. Let's believe it. I don't assume. But I mean, it's probably the same with parts of Judaism and parts of Islam. You cannot disprove it, right? You know, but you also cannot prove it. Exactly, no. And so it comes down to faith. Exactly. Why did you go from, I mean, we know why you went from Judaism to Catholicism? Why did you go

back to Judaism as a because your father? No, it was because of, it was actually because of 9/11. It was because of 9/11. Yeah. Yeah. So 9/11 happened. I was 28, 29, something like that. And I had been in the Catholic church, you know, the previous religion, you know, kind of experience. I was a Catholic church, which I loved, as I said. I had difficulty with the leadership at the Pope level, the Vatican and so, but putting that aside. And then I was, you know, college, kind of, I'm so

smart. I'll be an atheist, right? You know, like all my teachers. And then my, you know, my colleagues. And then 9/11 happened. And I was like, you know what? I know a lot about Christianity and Catholicism from having practiced it for six or seven, eight years. Being an altar boy, wanting to become a priest.

“Everyone was an expert on Islam, you know, after 9/11, right?”

And I realized I knew nothing about the religion that I was born into.

And I felt ashamed. I couldn't read Hebrew. You know, I didn't, I never read the Bible.

You know, the Old Testament, oh yeah, I read the gospels because I was Catholic. All right. Very rarely do we go back and read the Old Testament, at least in the church that I was an altar boy. And so I knew nothing about the Old Testament, the Torah couldn't read it. I felt embarrassed. You know, and I was like, why is there this, and tip of the towards Jews and towards, you know, Judeo-Christian, you know, society and civilization? Why is there this conflict? I knew nothing about it.

And so I realized that I'd stop all my learning when I was 13 about religion. And most of the people that you talk to who are scientists, especially Jewish scientists, who are almost all atheist. The last time they encountered religion was on their bar mitzvah at age 13. And for many of them, it's like a graduation from prison, you know, like they're released. They no longer have to go to temple anymore. They no longer have to sit and learn this archaic language.

“It's spoken on exactly 0.2% of the world's population. Like who the hell needs this?”

When I can do whatever I want in plus, Hanukkah really sucks compared to Christmas. You know, you ask me like, do I miss it? Yeah, totally. I mean, so, you know, the negative exposure that you get at age 13, that then carries through these geniuses, like Steven Pinker and, and even, you know, Lawrence Kraus and Richard Dawkins, I've hosted most famous atheists a lot, right?

Right, the, you know, the god delusion and just an incredible intellect, but incredible atheists.

They don't have the most basic level that my kids have about what the Bible actually says, what it means, they just project onto it, making it into a straw man, which they can then ignite. I felt as a legitimate scholar and intellectual, I want to have a conversion level with the Bible, with the Old Testament in my case, at least the same level that have a quantum mechanics. Why should you say that you don't? Because it's easier, like, oh, anyone can believe, like Sean Ryan

doesn't have a PhD, you didn't go to college, right? You were in the teams, you want to, right? Oh, Sean, he knows it. So, you know, but like he doesn't know quantum mechanics. So, doesn't not show you that it's not that hard to believe in God. I think this is so infantile. These arguments in the, in the vitriol that people have towards believers in the scientific, in the academic community, in the elite. Let me take one pause for you for one second.

You're familiar with the following statement, made by President Eisenhower. He said, there's a danger. I want you to finish the sentence of a military industrial complex. Okay. Before he says those words, he says, there's a danger of a

Before he mentions the military industrial complex and its dangers, which you can testify to as well as anybody, he speaks about the, the horrors that'll be inflicted upon society,

“should we fall captive to a scientific, technical elite? When was he talking about professors?”

Academia, you don't know. You didn't go college, Sean. You can't talk to me about aliens and COVID and disclosure. No, no, no, you can't. It's bullshit. The, the disdain that, the ivory tower has for ordinary lay people and, and people that didn't go to college, it, it's a dirty, little secret that we don't talk about because it makes us look vinyl, it makes us look pathetic, it makes us deserving the iron and therefore if you get iron, you get attention and then they

might take away our tenure and our tuition increases that go faster than inflation. We don't want you guys to look that close to us. That's the scientific technical elite. I Eisenhower

warned against that in the same breath as the military industrial complex. You never hear about the

“former. You only hear about the latter. Why is that? I don't know. People worship college.”

College is a secular idol that even the most atheistic people worship about. It's a sign that I'm a good parent. My kid goes to Vanderbilt. My kid goes to UC San Diego. It's a sign that you did your good job as a parent according to whom, according to a secular society. But that's a danger. So getting back to this original part when we went off on this quest, a few minutes ago, I think that it's completely legitimate to think about these things and to try to

report some scientific rigor and to have mutual respect and comity, not comedy, but comedy, where you can respect the person that you maybe don't necessarily agree with. And so for me, there's obviously a lot more Christians in the world than our Jews. But I want to get back to an understanding what's called first principles thinking. What are the base roots of Christianity? What are the challenges to Christianity? And their challenges to Christianity, I'm sure you know,

“the gospels aren't, you know, they themselves are. And that's what gives them intellectual honesty.”

They admit they're certain things that they cannot explain. Miracles of Jesus did. Did they say, "Well scientifically, if you take the quantum mechanical structure of water, you can't know," they said, "We don't understand it." But that's what faith means. But I don't want to only have faith. I would like to have proof. Can I convert a faith question into a proof question? That's what I want to do. That's even more fun as hell. Let's have a faith

question and to a did God create the universe. Well, if the if the if the old testament says something and it's compatible with observation, that's not proof, but it's evidence. If the Torah, if the old testament says the universe came into existence in the beginning, the actual Hebrew word, Hebrew is a very rich language. The actual it says with beginningness. In other words, God not only created the universe according to Hebrew in the Torah, he created the concept of the beginningness of

something. It's amazing. You think about it, it gives me chills. It's so much deeper than we get when

we're kids. The problems we learn religion when you're like, "Kin, I got to Sunday school and I hated him," like nobody likes it. But if you approach it as I did as an adult age 30 after 9/11 or 28, whatever, it's much richer because you could approach you with the full arsenal of the tools and the weapons that I've developed as a scientist. And therefore, that which I can prove verify, attempt, or fail to prove will have a lot more sticking power and give me a lot more ironically faith.

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Investment advisory services offered by stash investments LLC and SEC registered investment advisor. Investing involves risk. What have you proven? So right now, we've discovered a lot of things. Again, we can't prove something. And so I can't prove to you that the earth is round. As I said, I can prove it's on flat. So what have we falsified? So we falsified a huge host with my tools and

technology. It's amazing. I get to work with like just like billionaire, like IQ billionaires.

You know, like my colleagues who started the Simon's Observatory with me. David Spurkel, who ran the NASA UAP Investigation Panel two or three years ago. He was the leader of it. He's the leader of the Simon's Foundation. He and I came up with the idea for the Simon's Observatory,

“which is a two-month now, two-hundred-million-dollar level project. My friend Mark Devlin at New Penn.”

He created the six-meter diamond or telescope and the detectors with three people can fit inside it. He's standing on a shoulder. It's insane. Suzanne Stags at Princeton built these detectors that could detect a match at the distance of the moon. I mean, these are like insane people.

Again, I would pay to work with them and then I get to do it for free. We have been able

to falsify these narratives that suggest there was no period of time when the universe was hotter, denser, more compact. We falsify claims that dark matter does not exist. In other words, we can't prove dark matter exists, but we've shown that in universes, models, conceptions were dark matter doesn't exist. It's a hundred times more inconsistent with the data. We've found evidence for dark energy. We've found evidence that matter in the universe

acts like a lens that focuses light. If you put a black hole here, you can't see the black hole with black, right? But light would be deflected around it just the same way that we've detected with our instruments as well. That we can see the effects of the curvature of space time you and I'll be talked about. We've detected that. That means that we have falsified these notions that Einstein's theories are wrong or incomplete. We do know that they're incomplete at one level

because we don't understand how quantum mechanics the physics of the very small plays with cosmology and relativity the physics of the very large. But I'm confident that we'll get there. So to have these abilities to falsify now, have we falsified that the big bang occurred? No, have we falsified that the multiverse exists? No. If the multiverse exists, that would be a huge challenge for traditional theology. It would mean there is no one beginning. It would mean the

universe is eternal and exists in a vast or cosmic landscape then we can perceive that lies outside of our horizon, like we were talking before. If you're out on a boat somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, thousands miles from land in any direction, right? Can you detect? Can you see another boat? No, you can't. You can't see anything over the horizon. Could you detect the boat's existence? Yeah, maybe there's waves, sauna, you know, sauna grounds, sauna or whatever,

“neutrinos from the nuclear reality. Whenever there's a million ways you could detect it, right?”

We're trying to do just that. We're trying to see what lies beyond the horizon. If indeed the inflationary epoch did occur that we claimed we did discover or later had a retract

that claim. It was very embarrassing. Now, the subject of the first book that I wrote,

losing the Nobel Prize. If we do get to that point where we can sort of have evidence for it, it doesn't prove the multiverse exists, but it kind of rules out the alternatives. And that would present challenges, right, to the traditional theological Torah creation story of a single beginning of time. There are people that will attempt to use what are called apologetics, you know, kind of explain things with the assumption that God could do that.

As you said, you can't prove God exists. You can't prove God doesn't exist, right? We can't even prove we're having this consciousness experience that we call reality right now. All right, we could be some brains in a jar stimulated by electromagnetic radiation by some malevolent demon, right? We don't have evidence for that, but it doesn't mean it's not within the

with the Simon's Observatory in the next few years where we first get data from this instrument, which was created in the part of generosity of my late-great mentor and friend Jim Simon's

passed away two years ago, established this incredible collaboration with, you know, it's the

people, it's like a team without the team nothing happens, and I'm just privileged to be, you know, at the heart of it and the start of it. I can't remember everything I talked to Avie about, but we were talking about the big bang theory and peering back through time. We had the

“eye to that conversation. Yeah, you did it. How many times can you observe that from birth?”

So because of the light passage of by that, it's gone, right? Right. Right. So it gone or is it just keep coming? It's because if you look at a light source, I mean, it'll be on until it turns off and then it has to, right? Right. The big bang is an explosion. So I mean, correct? So it's the explosion

is sound the light is gone, so it would pass you by, right? And then there would be nothing after it.

If it was an explosion, right? If it was an explosion. It's not an explosion in the sense of, you know, around goes off and there's a shockwave that has a implicit bias that you're embedding an event in a larger space like this room, right? Explosion in this room is very different than the space time of this room expanding, right? So what the big bang postulates is that if we're galaxies at one time in the past yesterday, we were slightly closer. And if you extrapolate back,

extrapolate back, you find that there'll be some point where our chairs are right up against each other, and I like you, but I'm not going to get that close, right? But at the subatomic scale, you could also keep going back to much, much smaller distances, which require much, much more energy per cubic millimeter, nanometer, plank size, whatever. But if space comes into existence at that particular moment, then what happens is expansion occurs. Space itself is expanding for a long time,

but there's nothing, there's no process by which you can reveal the presence of any matter

or any energy because it doesn't exist yet, right? The first galaxies I've been talking about

“galaxies and that's how Hubble Edwin Hubble showed that to Einstein then he was wrong. So Einstein”

believed in a static universe that the universe was eternal. As everybody did for thousands of years, Aristotle believed that and it was Einstein, right? Until Hubble showed him evidence data that every galaxy you could see in the universe is not static. It's moving away from Earth at huge speeds, fractions of the speed of light. In fact, it moves away faster, the farther away to galaxies are. So if we're in this room and we brought in a, you know, a, your producer and, you know,

they saw it over there and this is the universe expanded. We'd all be expanding. You would see me going away and you would see him going away from you, but you wouldn't feel like yourself is moving away, but I would see you moving away and I would see him moving away and he would see the same thing, right? So each one of us feels like we're at the center of the universe, but we're not. The space is expanding in between us and any process that you emit, if you, if you are having, if you look at

me with a new shine of laser at me and it's a green laser, if you start to move away faster, you know, some large velocity, much, much faster than any Earthbound speed, say half the speed of light, that light will go from green to red, because not only are you moving away, but the wavelength is stretching from short wavelengths to longer wavelengths. Eventually you hit a speed because you're

“at a distance and remember the distance times this constant called the Hubble constant tells you”

how fast two galaxies are moving away. You get a velocity that's equal to the speed of light. Okay? And then after you get beyond that distance, there's no reason I can't be moving faster than the speed of light away from you. And at that point, what do you see? So right now you see me and I'm like waving at you, right? And I keep waving at you and you keep expanding and I've been and eventually you hit the speed of light and the last thing you'll see for me is this.

It'll appear frozen, the beam of light that I'm producing, the photons of light, and I'm generating, we'll keep shining towards you. They'll get red shifted to longer and longer wavelength. You'll see me, you'll see me frozen, waving, and you'll see me extremely red. And the same exact thing happens as an observer falls into a black hole. They don't get ripped apart at the so-called event horizon. You and I'll be talked about this in great detail for you guys to episode 146.

Thank you. Episode 146, you talk about the falling into a black hole. Nothing happens when you

you get close to the singularity. That's called spaghettiification. You get ripped apart. That's

irrelevant. The astronaut right before he falls into the black hole, he waves it. That's the same thing. You see him. He's frozen and he's very red. And that'll just keep continuing as long as, you know, as long as you're around to look at him. So the same thing happens with this light, if any process in the universe, and it just so happens that in order to see something that's

“beyond the event horizon, you can't use light. You have to use something else. Because light”

can only travel at the speed of light. It's the fastest speed. There is, but there has to be some other mechanism by which you could see these processes if they existed before the before this part of the Big Bang occurred. And that's what we're looking for. We're looking for not waves of light, but waves of gravity, which is the actual structure of space time. You know, space time again. You and Avi did a lot of the pre-rex for this course. You know, you talk about waves of gravity.

Gravity and space time is a dynamical object. It's not a frozen ice block. Gravity means that distances in time shift according to the local mass distribution there is. So when the universe had all the mass of, well, ever have at the beginning, it had a lot of gravity. And when the expansion took place, that gravity could be converted into a solitary radiation called gravitational waves,

“that's what we look for. It's not light. It's space time itself. And we've detected that as”

are you able to see that. So we see that in the distortion of space and time. Remember I said, if there's a black hole here, you could actually see something over there because light from over there would get bent by the black hole and it would appear to be coming from over there, but it's actually coming from behind us. That's called gravitational lensing. A Einstein predicted this phenomenon in the 1930s. He also predicted this, the phenomenon gravitational waves.

It has been detected on Earth from two black holes that existed a billion years ago, a billion

light years away, crashed into each other. Each one weighed 30 times the mass of our sun. What was left over was a single black hole that weighed 59 times the mass of the two of the sun. Right? So you had 16 solar masses in the beginning, 30 and 30. They crashed together. They make something that's only 59 solar masses. We're the rest of the energy go. It all went into shaking up and vibrating space time. Those ripples in space time mean that if you were there,

at one moment of time, your weight would increase on a scale. If you put a scale in here on a gravitational wave comes through one moment of time, you get heavier, then it oscillates and you get lighter. heavier, lighter, heavier, lighter, and that process would occur at the speed of light. But it's not light. It's the separation of entities and events in space time itself. The curvature of which gets distorted if the universe had a singularity, which would mean it

we live in a mobile universe. They all go together. So we haven't discovered that yet.

We may never even as you said before eloquently, you can't prove it, can't disprove it.

But we can disprove alternatives to it. There's an alternative that says we came from a big crunch. Remember I said that's a possibility. That it turns out for technical reasons can be disproven if we see these waves of gravity. The waves of gravity cannot occur in a universe of a big crunch, but they can occur in a universe with inflation and the multiverse, but one can be proven, but one can be falsified, proven wrong.

You know, another thing that I was talking to obvious about is when we talk about the universe expanding, I was asking about the edge of the universe and I didn't quite understand what he was talking about. So if we're expanding, the space is expanding in between us. That's right. Where's the edge of this? So there doesn't have to be an edge. There may be an edge, but there doesn't have to be an edge. And it's a very ancient question.

You know, Aristotle asked, if you go to the edge of the universe and you throw a sphere, where does it go into, right? It's exactly the same type of question you're asking. So what we do in science is in science of cosmology. We say that space time is the set of all possible places in x, y, and z, and in time. Anything that can occur occurs in those four dimensions, right? You told me to meet you here exactly

in this latitude, longitude, altitude, and time, right? You specify all those different things.

“You don't have to specify anything else, right? That's what's said. Now, if a gravitational wave”

comes through this room, it actually changes both the space and time, you know, microscopic, but technically it does. And if two big black holes crash by new, do it a lot, right?

I'd be at a different x, y, z time, altitude, whatever, right? But all of space in time can exist infinitely, like an infinite set of monkey bars, just going out in all directions, all

“possible directions versus spaces there. Now, you might say, well, what is that space made of?”

Right? What's in that space? In other words, our universe here is within our horizon, just like you go on to the beach and say, yeah, I go, I can only see out what it's for on here. You're a navy guy. I'm telling me, you can see like four to seven miles at sea level out to shore, and then your horizon disappears because of the curvature of the earth, right? Does that mean there's nothing beyond that, of course not, right? There was definitely stuff beyond that. People did know that for a

long time, but now they did, right? So, that that's your horizon. Your horizon on a two-dimensional surface, like the surface of the earth, is a circle. Your horizon in a four-dimensional universe is a sphere. Every event in space and time that's ever occurred that we could just now get information from lies within our light sphere. We call that maximum light sphere, the farthest distance that anything could have traveled to us here, we call that the particle horizon or the observable

universe, okay? But my observable universe looks different than your observable universe because we're not at the same four-dimensional space-time location. You're six feet away from me. Light travels one billionth, and one billionth of a second travels one foot. That's a speed of light. So I actually see you six nanoseconds earlier than you are right now. You look wonderful, Sean, by the way. I see you, the sun, eight minutes away. We don't know, the sun could have disappeared right now.

We won't know for eight minutes. It's not likely, but it's a hypothesis you could test it, right?

The universe, the big bang, the stuff that I study, happened 13.86 billion years ago. So stuff could

have traveled to us from that age, and you take that age of the universe, times the speed of light,

“technically you have to modify it by the expansion of the universe. But once you do that,”

you get the maximum distance I can see where I am right here, and that's a sphere whose radius is 45 billion light years. So imagine that centered on me. But now go over a couple of billion light years to this galaxy with these two black holes crashed together. That has a slightly different observable universe. Now, what are they seeing? Are they seeing into another universe? No, they just have access to a different light sphere of space that could have communicated with them.

Yeah, and a billion years from now will be able to see that. Now if there's another universe there,

let's say there's another universe. God comes down, there's not a universe episode, but I were 1,400 and you'll have the other universe on me. But it's 10 light years away from our universe. You won't know about it for 10 years, right? So we could exist in this vast universe. It could also be that we're in a compact finite universe where it would make sense to say that there is an edge to it. Just like there's an edge to the earth, right? The edge is in the perpendicular dimension

to the two-dimensional sphere. In the context of cosmology, the edge of the universe could be if we live in a spherical universe. But instead of having x, y, and z, it has x, y, z, and w. It's a four-dimensional sphere. No, nobody's brain. Not even obvious. Can comprehend what that actually looks like. Or means, but mathematically, it's a perfectly valid question. We can approach it.

“And we can ask, what would be the signature of another universe that bumps into our universe?”

And people make predictions about it. But there's zero evidence for that. There's zero evidence that our universe is a compact, close, spherical universe, or that it's an open hyperbolic universe. Right now, our best evidence is that our universe is infinite and extent, but that infinite is just mathematical infinity. We have no idea of right beyond it could be another universe. And if you ask, what's in that other universe? I have a thought exercise for you.

When the Artemis, we should talk about lunar landing conspiracies. You had on this guy, Gentile? Hey, Jay Gentile. That was an awesome show. I love that guy. He's one of my favorite people. He's so good at what he does. Imagine how hard it is. It's hard to interview people.

But then also to do like explainer content or explain things. But you know, I can never take

the professor out of laboratory. And so he made a couple mistakes in that episode. And I would love to talk to him sometime. Maybe you can introduce me. But one of the things he said is that the Soviets beat us and every possible thing. And this is part of the conversation you guys had about the moon landing that happened, right? Or how people could say that I don't actually know what you believe. And this is a case we could say believe, but we have evidence, right?

physical evidence. We have eyewitness evidence. We have photographic evidence. But the best evidence we have, Sean? The best evidence we have comes from the Soviet Union. What's that? Soviet Union July 19th, 1969. The Soviets knew that the eagle was on its way to land the sea of tranquility. They had launched six days earlier a spacecraft of their own. Uncrewed, no men were on it. But they were going to go and land on the moon. And they were going to take samples. And they're kind

of wanting to steal the thunder arrive a day earlier. And kind of get a little bit of the credit. And they also kind of hoped that we would crash and they would all die. I mean, the space race

was insane, right? I mean, it was incredible. The Soviets coordinated with the Americans on that

very day. Because they were worried that they would crash into the eagle. And they coordinated their telemetry. And we still records of their telemetry. And the communications between the biking or cosmic drum and Kazakhstan where they would do their launches and recoveries and NASA Apollo, they wanted to avoid a huge PR disaster. Especially since they thought we would die. They thought they would actually crash. People thought the moonlanders would

would keep going down through the surface of the moon. They thought it was made of like really loose talcum powder like dust. And that would actually be unstable and would flip over. They actually, most people gave it 50, 50 odds. In fact, Nixon had recorded a speech in case the astronauts died. And, you know, and he, they pre-recorded it and so he would play it on TV and give their condolences. They also plan for a contingency that they'd be lost in lunar orbit or that

they would miss the moon and go off into deep space and become a satellite and never to be found again,

right? So, so the Russians confirmed it that coordinated with our telemetry. When they landed, they congratulated President Nixon. And then they also landed on the moon and the first landing they landed these retro reflectors called laser lunar laser retro reflectors. You run on

“our bicycle and you see like a bike tail light or the reflectors on the back of a bike, right?”

How does that work? How does the bike know where your car is going to be? You could be at any angle, any bearing, any distance, right? How does it know to reflect back? They have especially design retro reflectors that always will find the target back to earth. And we bounce lasers off at my colleague, you see a San Diego became a rare tire recently, Tom Murphy. He bounces lasers off these retro reflectors left by the Apollo moon landing, Apollo 11 and he can measure the distance to

the moon to the thickness of a paperclip, one millimeter or so thickness. So we know the average that was left by these astronauts. Now the Russians left these things there too, but the Russians also overflow both our landing sites and their own landing sites. And Tom Murphy and his colleagues found the Russian retro reflectors as well as the American ones exactly where the Americans said they put it and exactly where the Russians said they put it. And the last kind of little bit of convincing

“evidence, one part, but I do want to get back to what Gentiles said that's wrong because I think”

it's important. The positioning, so you could maybe sort of fake that or whatever. But imagine right now, imagine like Artemis too, which just went around the moon, right? I think even, you know, I debated Bart Ciberl on Pierre's Morgan the day of the launch. And he was like, well, maybe they're going now, but they couldn't have gone then. I'll get back to that in a second. Now that's totally Felacius and ridiculous argument that I refuted on air with him and Pierre's actually piled

on and called him full of shit to his credit. But these, the very day that Artemis launched and then went around the moon this last month in April, can you imagine laying on the moon? No, we're not not this one. This one was just going around the moon. No, we're supposed to land too. It's changed.

No, no, it was always planned to do this. First one went around the moon. No one was in it.

Second one went around the moon with people in it. Third one's going to be people in it. I start unmanned landing on the moon. Fourth one's going to be people landing on the moon. Well, let me, let me, let me just venture to start. All right, I just want to know why don't we just land on the fucking moon. We did it in the 60s. Okay. Would you get? Why are we doing all this crazy wild shit? Let's just go back. Would you get on with your kids being here in your wife and your

empire that is so impressive? Would you get on like the second flight of any kind of military hardware

“built by the lowest state? I think we should have a dough to stomach risk taker. I know you are.”

But would you do it now? I asked Elon Musk on my podcast. Would I do it right now? Yeah. Would you take it right now? Right. So you do things in steeps. Four or five years ago. Kitty Hawk. Was that the first time the right flyer had ever flown? I don't they didn't put themselves on the first time they did test flies prototype flights. That's all

I thought I'd experiment with you to consider. April 5-6 when they went around the moon.

“Can you imagine I had told a community junior? Oh, hello. Hi. Mashallah. Mashallah. President Trump.”

Congratulations. Every country on earth, including China, which had stolen a lot of our nuclear and space secrets in the 1970s, China, Soviet Union. All these countries called up and congratulated the United States. Now they were enemy. It's hard to think of it now because we kind of like whatever whatever, right. But can you imagine like the eye toola's right now calling us up to congratulate us? In other words, they would be the most glorified and happy people on earth

to have us not get there and prove that we didn't get there because that would leave glory for them. So that's a psychological kind of component evidence for it. There's overwhelming scientific evidence for it. The evidence against it is minimal. You already mentioned one of them, which is, well, how come they did it? No, you know, in the '60s, but we can't do it now. I mean, you said that, Gentile said that. Polyphilation sorry. I love you. I love Gentile. I'm going to tell

“you that's aphilatious argument. And I'm living proof of it, okay. The first person to ever set foot”

on the South Pole, rolled Amazon. He's an amazing guy. He went from the North Pole. He almost was

the first person to reach the North Pole. He lost, turned around and went on a huge expedition, and became the first person to land, to reach the South Pole. The South Pole nowadays, I said, I take a C-130 flight, a C-17 flight land, the ice, then I take a ski, C-130. It takes me a week. Okay, boom, poor Brian. You'll play the violin for, it took them six months, just to get there. Then they got there, they would get there in spring because that's the only time you can really

travel there. Then they have to wait until the following spring. They'd stay on the coast of Antarctica for six more months until our seven, eight months before it came warm enough that they could ski, cross country ski up 9,000 feet of ice. Okay, and then they got to the South Pole and then had to get back before winter started and if they missed it by three weeks like the British team,

Robert Falcon Scott was the second person to get to the South Pole in 1912. In January 1912,

three weeks after Amazon got there in December 1911, everyone on Scott's team died. Every single one of them froze to death, the most excruciating way possible. 10 miles from a cache of supplies, it would have saved their lives. They all died. They didn't know about it for another year and then they got back to England a year after the hunt. Okay, we're just okay. So 1911, our Norwegian guy sets foot with his teammates on the South Pole. Do you know in the next

Norwegian to get to the South Pole was sure? I'm not expecting you to. 1996. Wow. So if you're in 19 Bart Cybro, 1995, you say, oh wait, how can we went there with technology with a boat, a wooden boat, like Shackleton? We did that a hundred years ago, but we can't do that now. It's completely fulacious. I mean, that's not a good argument. Okay. There are other arguments that are better like the Van Allen belts and so on. I don't think that, you know, that did

that. I'm not saying that we didn't go. Okay. It sounded like I'm not saying we were open to the hypothesis at least. I think it's fucking weird that we haven't been back since the 60s. But do you know why we didn't go back to the South Pole or anybody on earth? So first of all, it was a belt thing that you just brought up. I also think is very odd. And there's that guy and NASA that said, we lost the technology. I'm sorry. You lost the fucking technology. Okay,

there's no NASA guy at NASA. It's like saying the guy in the Navy seals or something like, that can mean a lot of things, right? It doesn't. I mean, I'm just not familiar with that. Yeah, I don't know. But but when you have a platform like you do and an A.J. has his platform,

“I'm just I would love the scientific rigor to kind of not you have to get a PhD in quantum”

mechanics, actually. I'm just saying, when you think about things, what should be your default base rate hypothesis? Should it be that this is this is kind of fake? Or, you know, as Candace Owen said, this is fake and gay, right? So she's supposed to be like America first, right? She's supposed to really love America, be patriotic. It's not only the greatest achievement of America, but it's like, this is one of the greatest, I think it is personally the greatest achievement

in all of human history. And I say that as somebody who's a pure scientist, going to the moon, yeah, what we did in a very short amount of time, but it took a level of,

you know, just just incredible, incredible, you know, cooperation and technology, hundreds of

thousands of people coordinating across decades. And the evidence against it is so minimal, what's frustrating as a real scientist is say, like, look, no, rather these things be false and a scientist, right? Because I could pay not to prove people right. My job is not to prove freaking obvious, low, right? My job is saying, no, you're freaking wrong. Here's a better explanation. Let's go test that. And his job is a good scientist, say, thank you, Brian, you know,

use your experimental technology. I'm in a theoretical physicist. Let's work together and come close

America lied, you know, they lied about COVID. I mean, you know, for many reasons, I wish COVID never

happened. And I've interviewed, you know, and I'm best friends with the, one of close friends with the director of the National Institute of Health, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, tortured by Anthony Fauci and Francis Collins horrible thing. And, you know, he's a Christian, he's an incredible human being, you know, he, all this stuff that you're kind of talking about here, you know, at the beginning, you asked me if I thought it was a good idea for a country to lie to a citizen. Yes. Yeah.

Now we're wondering if we've fucking landed on the moon because a lot of lies have come out of the government. I say, which is near a scientist, you know, you understand how to sit through this data, and I mean, you just spent many, many years studying all the things that it takes to

know about landing on the, I'm a Navy SEAL. I spent those years fighting a fucking more, you know,

you know what I mean? Yeah. And so what I'm saying is, you know, you're looking at straight facts, and the rest of us are looking at context, you know, and when you have, when you add in the context, and you see a government that continuously lies to its fucking citizens, citizens are no longer going to believe the government. I guess is, is it so then all these conspiracy start to happen and distrust, and then they start digging in and everything. What were you saying

about Candace? So Candace, what I'm saying about Candace is that the America firsters and the American Patriots and so forth, and I'm not questioning or love of America or whatever, just saying, if this is the greatest accomplishment that a human being has ever made, and it happens to come from the country that you profess your love for and allegiance to as I do, and as you do, right? That doesn't mean they're flawless. I mean, who's flawless, right? I mean,

who do you agree with 100% of the time? Like, I'll say my wife, right? But that's a bad idea, right? Sometimes you contradict yourself. I contradict yourself. You agree with your wife 100% of the time. That's bullshit. Honey, if you're watching, you know what I did? I made her mad the other day, I said, you know, honey, whenever I'm driving around, like, I got to turn off the, the, um, the voice activated directions on the GPS. She's like, oh, that's so romantic. You want to listen to me.

I'm like, no, I don't want two women yelling at me long. No, so you don't agree with everybody, right? You don't even agree with yourself. I reserve the right to be wrong all the time. And in fact,

“that's the best thing a scientist should do. We should have the frickin balls to say, we're wrong.”

Not just one more, right? From the standpoint of having skepticism of your government and whatnot,

you always have to ask a question, quibona, who benefits from it, right? Who would benefit from

the moon landing not occurring? Um, is a question? You can ask that question. Um, you can also, you know, say, what are the downstream tangible benefits from doing that work and landing on the moon? You can ask, what were the technological impediments? But if you start with a hypothesis, you know, it's like an atheist. It says, like, I'm going to start with hypothesis. God doesn't exist, Sean, right? And you of the, you of the burden of proof to prove to me that God exists or doesn't

exist, right? Um, that's not approaching things scientifically. Like, if you start with, there's a, there's a, there's a term in that for, it's called apologetics. Uh, you start with the conclusion, reason towards the conclusion best in the best available data, but you have, you're not going to like, refute God, like William Lane Craig or Baron, uh, the, um, the Catholic priest I'm blanking

“on this name. I think it's Baron's last name, Robert Baron. Um, they're not going to come to a conclusion that”

this proves God, right? Let's just be honest. That's, that's not necessarily what their, you know, focus is going to be on, right? Uh, but they're going to give explanations why God is a more plausible hypothesis than anything else. But if you, and, and, and, so there's purely scientific reasons, you can, you can debate what happened when we went to the moon. How can we didn't go back? I think I gave some credibility to the argument that just because you do something once, it doesn't necessarily

make it easier to do a twice. Like, appears Morgan on his show to give him credit to Bart Sibral, he said, I feel on the Concord, you know, in 2001. And, um, I haven't been on a Concord since. Like, how come there's no fricking, you know, mock two transportation right now? How come that's not probably ever going to happen again? How do we go back into, you know, and that was built. That was built 1962, the Concord. It's before the Apollo. We can't do that now. That's, it's an argument

that sounds good to people that really might come into a conversation with a predisposition. And that's fine for a person who's not, who's not maybe wanting to portray themselves as being a scientist. You're not scientists, ages on scientists. But, uh, but there's one more thing about the Van Allen belt, which is the other thing that she can't as Owens really got from this guy,

“Bart Sibral, and then I think AJ kind of got this too. So there's this radiation belt that's around”

the earth. Uh, and it's called the Van Allen belt. It is supposedly this impenetrable, instantly, um, fatal trajectory. No person can get through it. Uh, and there's no way to get to the moon without going through these belts, right? I mean, this surrounds the earth. So that's, that's like

Sean's deciding we're taking the podcast on the road. We're going to Saturn, right?

“Saturn has this ring system around it. It's like a belt around it, right? So if you're going to”

land on Saturn, fine, you probably won't take the trajectory that goes right through the ring system, right? Just because there's a belt exists, doesn't mean that there's not a symmetrical cross a trajectory that you go through. It's totally safe, right? The asteroid belt. You think about the asteroid belt. You shoot a spaceship through the asteroid belt. You're going to get destroyed. Now you won't. If you shot an any direction, you take any trajectory you want and

you'll go out to the edge of the solar system. There's almost a zero percent chance you'll hit anything, even though you kind of depict it as an asteroid belt. The Van Allen belts are like that. They're highly concentrated in certain regions. There's two different belts in Interbelt and an outer belt. They mainly go around the equator. They'll launch us to the moon go around the poll. So there's no danger. There's no exposure to it. We know how to do it.

Satellites go through it all the time and anyone who's ever seen a warra knows about it. It's not dangerous. It's not fatal. It happens to be about the equivalent of two or three chest x-rays, which you and I get every year, every couple years. So there's some radiation. It sounds scary. One of the Patreon questions that I answered for my fellow vigilance elite Patreon members was about, how do we make the concept of nuclear power less

traumatizing, less kind of scary to the average person? How do we get rid of radiation?

“So save that. You have to join vigilance elite Patreon. I'm trying to sell that”

my fellow members. So go over there. You'll find out my answer to it. But it's manipulative to say radiation scary. Therefore, we didn't go to the moon. Let's look at it scientifically. Let's look at the happening. If you spend any time off road like I do, you already know how easy it is to end up

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But I did bring one thing in here because you gave me a little shit for saying the NASA guy. So here is the NASA guy. Go ahead and hit play. Let me know what you think. I'd go to the moon

in a nanosecond. The problem is we don't have the technology to do that anymore. We used to,

but we destroyed that technology and it's a painful process to build it back again. All right. So that was, what's his name? Don Pettit, the National Astronaut. Okay. So, I sounded like an idiot because I didn't know his name or what he was, so I had to go find it and show it to you. So, what is your take on that? I'm just curious. So, I'm not interested back to Don again, more courageous than I'll ever be in a launch

on top of a 60,000 tons of TNT equivalent in risk your life and do everything that he did. So, the one thing that's more complicated than physics is psychology is the human mind.

destroyed. Right? Technology means a lot of things. It means a physical rockets. Do we have Apollo, Saturn, five boosters anymore? No. So, I don't have those. Do we destroy them? Yeah. I mean, I've got a 50-call bullet that my brother-in-law Jim drew her got me and I use as a ball opener. Is it destroyed? Yeah, it's destroyed. It has a hole in it and the gun pattern's been taken out and it's not alive around. Right? So, we destroy the know-how on how to do it. Do we

just destroy? That's the way I take that is they destroyed the know-how. So, destroy the blueprint. So, it gives a shit about the fucking booster or whatever or the rocket or whatever it is. We can build it again. It is destroyed. Right. It's like... I don't think that that's what everybody's doing. There's autonomous systems right now. They're building disposable units that can be very cheaply and easily recreated. You know, I have a collect aviation, you know,

kind of antique artifacts. I have a B-17 propeller in my hangar in San Diego where I keep my

plane and this thing is amazing. And there's zero chance that we could ever get that to work.

We could ever reconstruct a B-17, you know, from scrap. There are a couple of B-17's flying. I think there's three laughter, something like that. Again, if we had an infinite amount of money, infinite amount of money, do you think that Elon or do you think that that our greatest engineers and scientists couldn't reassemble and build a P-38 or a B-17? Of course, we could.

“But you have to ask, like, what's the purpose of that? We have been there. We have done that.”

I actually think there's a stronger, it's the purpose of that. What's the purpose of building was the purpose of coming to North America? Well, what was the purpose? So we are, I don't know fucking land to expand an empire to what would the purpose of going to the moon be? I don't know to claim the fucking moon. That's true. Do we know there's the shit up there that we don't need? Same with Antarctica? Why do we know that? I interviewed this guy Steve Crosst and Helium 3.

He started him out. We need Helium 3. It's going to be great for energy. Can't remember everything about the conversation, but you know what I mean? Why aren't we going up there and getting fucking Helium 3? Sure. And so I sense that you get frustrated with skeptics

like me or people that don't believe, but what really is the problem is the scientists are doing

a very shitty job of explaining why the fuck we haven't been back to the moon. To P-brains. A) You're not a P-brain. B) My job is to answer questions. I got paid to answer questions, right? And so the teacher is at heart. I'm a scientist, right? And scientists answer questions. I'm a professor. I'm a teacher. When they say something like that, there's different reads to saying that. Like, you know, where's the car? You know, until you're 16-year-old, oh, I destroyed it.

It's destroyed. Is it destroyed? Like, is it being on the laws of physics to reconstruct it? Is an astronaut the right person to ask this question about the technology? Do you know the astronauts have almost no knowledge of the engineering and the building of it? Some of them have

“and weren't even pilots, right? So that's why I kind of asked you before. Is my lack of domain”

expertise in the operator, special teams and the NABA aviators? Does that preclude me from being able to ask questions that might be uncomfortable for people that believe things that they've seen that I don't believe. There's evidence at the scientific evidentiary level four. So that one clip, it doesn't shake me. It doesn't, it doesn't frustrate me. It doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't make me feel like, oh, well, I really got me. It makes me feel like this guy said something. I don't know

the full context. But I know for sure, if we hadn't wanted to, there's absolutely no reason not to. Now, why didn't we want to? What was the Cold War? I mean, do we go back and keep bombing Japan and bombing the Soviet Union? There's so many collapse, right? Part of it was because of the vast military expenditures that we spent during the space race and there's no longer sustainable in the late 1980s and the Berlin War unfolded. Do we fire a shot? No. I mean, not really. I mean,

“you guys probably know it. But once you, once you do a thing, do you need to do it again? Like,”

it's not like running a marathon, right? Roger Bannister broke the four-minute mile 80 years ago, something like that. People still want to break the four-minute mile, right?

They keep getting better and better. Will that person, the second person to break the four-minute

month, do you know his name? No, but I mean, yes, we do need to do it again. I mean, since the beginning of time, it's been expansion of empires. Yeah. The entire fucking planet's occupied now, except Antarctica's only got 800 people down. So you're some land there. But you know what I mean? So we're in what is the fastest growing? Is the world overpopulated? I don't think so. I think it's the opposite. I think we're running low on population, though. If you took every person on Earth,

John? I guess what I'm saying is it's all been settled. I'm not talking about an overpopulation or anything. I'm talking about expansion of empires, which humanity has been doing since the

correct terminology, but it's been told to be by several people on the show that the real estate law, or whatever, the fucking college space, space law, is the fastest growing? It is. You know, sector of legal, or whatever, legal release force was created. The first place in the US military created 50 years, 60 years. So can't tell me that, you know, it's not important. And then Steve Quastas saying China is basically on the boat. I don't know if that's correct or not, but that's

what he says. But whatever, somebody's going to fucking go there and somebody's going to claim it. Why haven't we been back? It's been how long, 60 years, maybe? If we had this conversation, you know, 46 days ago, we could say we haven't been back to the moon in 56 years or whatever, but now we haven't. We've been around the moon. We went farther than we went even during the

Apollo mission. We're testing this thing out. I always say, you know, someone said to me,

"Do you want to be going on a SpaceX rocket and go to the moon?" I'm like, "Yeah, I want to be accustomed to 10,000." Like, I don't want to be the first guy. You know how many aviation accidents occurred during the first 10 years after the Wright brothers? What the fatality rate is? Now, as you get on a plane, the fatality rate is 0.001. The only fatality in America since 9/11 was right after Trump's inauguration. His helicopter hit a commercial jet. That was like the

first mid-air collision that resulted in death. I even slowly saw him work landing on it. Their aviation safety has gotten down to the sub-thousandth of a percent level of fatality risk. Space is still about 3 percent, 4 percent. Now, part of that is intrinsic to the environment. It's the most extreme hostile environment, which is also some of the reason why we might not ever get to Mars. We might not have the ability. We might not have the wear with all.

But in today's dollars to reproduce what we did, just go to the moon, walk around, do the samples. If you'd want to do that, it's sort of the analog of what I said before. Go to the South Pole,

“be the 10th person to get to the South Pole. You have to justify a huge amount of blood and”

treasure to do that. And I'm sorry, people in America are not willing to see astronauts die. You know, we've gotten to a point where they, if they were to have one loss of an astronaut,

it would set back probably the future lunar colonization by an incredible, you know, maybe decades.

And the budget that NASA is dedicating towards this is menace, you know, women in this country, in many men. I don't know, you're on the answer. Women's been more elliptic in America than the NASA budget. Tell me how you're going to get to colonize the interplanetary species like Elon Musk to do with a budget that's $25 billion. And some say that's way too high. We should be spending on poverty. We should be sending it and you gotta be sympathetic

to some of these things, right? So the question is one of National Will. We had pride in the 1960s. We wanted to beat Russia. We don't really have that with China. We have a very unusual thing with China in our relationship. You know more about the geopolitics than I do. There's an interesting thing that just happened in, um, didn't really make much media attention. I saw it in the New York Times reported that, um, China was trying to build radio telescopes in Argentina and optical telescopes

there. And the US government, uh, coordinate with Argentina and froze the parts at the port in China. I'm sorry, the port in Argentina. Like, why are they doing that? Well, guess what? When we go up and study the cosmic microwave background, look for the big bang and stuff like that, we're on top of these mountains. We're looking for infrared. We're looking for heat. Well, guess what? So are the Chinese? They're probably looking for infrared from a B2 stealth bomber.

“Kate, you can conceal its radar. That's what stealth means. You can cool the exhaust,”

but you can't defeat the second-long thermodynamics. When an SR-71 is cruising at cruise speed, the windshield gets up to 600 degrees. It had to be three inches of quartz. Well, quartz radiates in the infrared extremely well. You can pick that thing out like a, you know, a pot knife gone through butter.

So these are not always peaceful, you know, kind of coordination and scientific benefit,

but to coordinate something on a budget of $25 billion. I mean, it's, it's, you know, kind of, it's, it's almost nothing. And so I don't think we're going to get there again, but not because it's, and that's, today when people are excited about the moon, Elon Musk exists, he didn't exist in 1980s or whatever, right? And we had the space shuttle program that was kind of a mixed failure blessing in some ways, a pet, it was one of the commanders on. So look,

the disposition has to be like, what is the cost benefit analysis? Is it worth sending people there if they have a high risk of dying? You know, would you want to be, you know, let's say it's safe. You know, you're not going to die, but you're going to go on a one-way ticket to Mars. And oh,

“your crewmate's going to be Elon Musk, because he wants to go there too. Are you going to do that?”

You love risk? I'm telling you, no risk. We're not going to die. You're talking to somebody that fought in three different wars and several different conflicts. Yeah. I'd have a huge appetite for risk. Yeah. I have an even bigger appetite for risk when it advances humanity, advances our country,

Elon Musk for whatever reason is going to advance humanity and make a fucking better life for mine

in yours, kids, you bet your ass I'm going to be on that flight. So then we have to look at what is there are a lot of people that are just like being? But aren't there Sean and no, you know, I'm saying I said love and respite, but like you were ordered to fight in these wars. I wasn't ordered to fight. Well, you just fucking joined to fight. You joined to fight, right? But once you're there was I understand it, right? You don't have that much say what you're going to do and which

wars you're going to fight in. In other words, do you do if you knew everything that you knew now,

“are you going to say that like, if this is going to advance humanity, that's what they told us too.”

And Iraq, like this is going to benefit. It's going to protect America. It's going to do all these things. Let's leave aside whether it did or didn't, but you did it. You signed up for it. Did it? Did the promise or the expectations? Did it match? You know, all the hardship that you went through and your fellow. So it was another lie from the US government. Right. So what about this? You're saying you're going to do this because you said if I knew for a fact that it was going to advance humanity

and make a better life for mine and yours kids, I would do it. You can bet your ass on it. That's what I said. I asked Elon on my podcast that I had him on very briefly. And I said, Elon, you say you want to go to Mars, you want to live on Mars, you want to die on Mars. And I said, let's hope it's not on impact. You know, I don't want you to die on impact buddy. I think you're too important. But you have a 13 to 14 kids. We actually don't know how many kids Elon has. It's either very

“lucky or very unlucky. But um, but he has at least 13 kids. I said, there would be a day when you”

have to say they're not all going to go. His kid, X, J, 72, you know, the one that's named after the black bread, right? He has an unpredictable name. He was in the room. I could hear the kid talking on the podcast when I was talking to Elon. His mom was on the podcast. She was as a big space and recorded it. And I said, how are you going to say goodbye to another kid? He lost a kid, you know, it's just the most dramatic thing that a human being and you and I know. Like, I don't even

like talk about it. Parent loses a child. You can't think about it. Now you're volunteering to

lose 13 children. Like, how are you going to do that? And it was the first time I ever heard of

Elon being on a loss for words. You can hear it on my podcast. I have it on my YouTube channel. He couldn't say it. His mom may mosque. Come to say that. Oh, let's not talk about that. Let's not talk about sad things. So it's sad. I know you do it. Again, you have courage that mortal men like me. I'm telling you, I couldn't do it. But it's also to me, it would have to be justifiable. And I know as a scientist, I can't know for sure guaranteed. It's going to benefit your kids and my kids. I just can't do it.

And as a scientist, I have to say, what could we do with Sean Ryan as fucking bad asses you are? And I know doubt that we can't do with Optimus 27 equipped with chat GPT 100. In other words, why send a human being with a wife, kids, family, people that love you, people that depend on you, people that are watching right now whose life and ears you're in right now. I mean, you're going to take that away. Tell me convinced me you can't do that with a robot or AI.

We haven't talked about AI. What do you want to talk about? I think AI has a lot of things in common with aliens. And that it's sort of it is potentially kind of a surrogate replacement, secular god, that it gives us the chance to do what God did. You know, God made man, man, Adam, and Hebrew means earth. God made man on earth. We have that impulse, power of babble. We have that same

“urge, that same desire, that same craving to be as God. That's why look, I don't read the Bible as”

a science book. Sorry. You know, I don't look at it. Where's the hydrogens, 30 second wave, let's not in there. It's not what it's supposed to do. I don't read Abbey Lobes books to learn about how to be a better member of my community and a better husband. They're different purposes, right? When you look at that book, though, the Torah, the Bible, the Old Testament, the New Testament, you look at what they are designed to do and the time that they were designed to do it. And are still

relevant in this age? You know, I always joke, I wish I all have God's book sales. You know, like 1%

of God's book sales. In 3,000 years, there's no book like that, Sean. You can't tell me there's not something quasi-divine even if you don't believe. Something that's lasted for 32 centuries, that's as applicable to my daily life right now. I read the Bible, I read Jesus, I read the New Testament, every day, Stolix, I read it all. Why not? Why wouldn't I read Shakespeare? I read Stephen Hawking. I don't care, I'll learn from anybody. When you look at that book,

what comes out is the flawed nature of human beings, wanting to become gods, frustrated, fighting with God, building a tower to reach up the sky, not to learn what God knows,

your freaking mountain. We can do it ourselves. We build Mosulians and pyramids and all these things,

“what is it supposed to do? It's meant really, there's a book by Ernest Becker. It's called”

"The Denial of Death" and Ernest Becker claims that the human being has one major fear, and he spends his whole life attempting to overcome that fear. And that's that he's going to die. The word homo-sapian means man who knows what does he know? Where are the only creatures that exist that know we have a death date? Yes, elephants will get together and they'll look around and when one dies they'll all cry. They don't know when they're four years old that they're

going to die. My daughter asked me another day, like, are you going to die before me? Is that a hope so? I was like in tears. We know at a young age we're going to die. That's a good thing. But since biblical times since early man, we have struggled with this desire to overcome that limitation to become gods ourselves to extend our lives both in life span which is great and in sort of the power, the omnipotence of the human, which means augmentation, building

silicon brains that live outside of us, robotic brain robotic bodies, cryogenic suspension, longevity, maybe escape velocity as a curse wild calls in. He claims that a certain point in three, four or five years keeps getting pushed back, like disclosure, that will reach longevity escape velocity. It means for every year you live you live another one point one years or something like that. Once you hit that you can live forever. Would you live forever? Not by myself.

“I wouldn't want to be the only one. And it's so complex, but look at the urge. What's the urge?”

Who was the only man that you believe did have a life after death? Anyone else, but Jesus? Do you think anyone else besides Jesus? We have an urge to be like Jesus, to live forever, to resurrect ourselves, to extend ourselves forever. What if that's everybody? I can't say everybody, but a lot of people are trying to build a legacy that want to be remembered. They want back, they're there. They have heirlooms that want passed out in items. What is this right? Books.

The Nile of Death. We want something that lives beyond us. In the Holocaust, Victor Franco, making, making brightened death letters, making videos for your kids. You know what I mean? So they remember you. Interview in your parents. That's right. You know, so the writing of their kids in their kids and their kids and everyone down the line knows who they were. Let me see, pressing you. You've got to write your memoir. And then time is right. Look, you could write.

Obama has four memoirs. He could do it. He wrote four autobiographies. You can do yours now.

Don't put off to the mark. You know what? Alfred Nobel, incredible human being,

had no kids, no wife. He wrote his will a year before he died. There's a saying in the Talmud. Write your will the day before you die. Why? Because you don't know when you're going to die. God forbid, you should live through 120. I will say to you. But we don't know. We don't know how much capacity we'll have. Some lock of chains. I think it'll happen, right? Don't put it off. You were saying, it's not time yet. We're writing a book. Yeah. I'm just, I'm just not that into by self.

It's not about you. Again, Sean, I hand you your great great grandfather's memoir. I said, I shown I found it. I did some research lately. I don't know where. Found it. And I got it. It cost me a lot of money, Sean. You know, I could give it to you. But would you pay for it? How much would you pay for that? Your grandmother? I don't care who it is, Sean. Some day, you are that

person. First of all, you're that person who's 6,500,000 people, whatever. You people don't know.

And it doesn't mean you reveal everything. I don't tell people personally, everything in personal listen to my autobiography. It's my first autobiography. Maybe it's my last. I don't know.

“I want to write more. Maybe I will. I think I have one more book left in me. That's what I”

feel. Just honestly, my energy, my age, my commitments, my family. But this is a gift. It's not for you. Don't think about it for you. I don't want to. Okay, so I bet you've done a lot of things you didn't want to do in your life. I think that thoughts are all there. You know, to make them all the way, I think what I believe them, what I don't like, what I do. Where in a podcast, episode is it? Yeah, where? It's in this. Sean, as I love you. And I love your show. And I'm gone back and

listen to so many episodes. I'm not going to go back to episode 45 to hear what you said to the

incredible guy, whatever the other sniper guy or what? Like, and there's, there's jewels in there.

And I'm not saying to write a book about podcasts. What's that? That's all in there. It's all there. I'm not asking my kids to. I'm not asking anybody to. You know what I mean? Yeah. But you also think this is going to be, this is going to be it or there's another chapter in your life. There's more chance like I told you out there. You know, we were talking about

what are you going to do? Just keep being a big podcast. And I just said, this isn't the only

“fucking thing I've done in my life. A lot of these guys. This is the only thing they've ever done.”

Right? This is not the only thing they've ever done. No, there's a seal. Let's see a contractor to attack Dix. Like, I've done a lot of shit. Your husband. Yeah, a lot of the guys I make fun of. I love these guys have been on all their shows. No wife, no kids. And you know, maybe that's why they're so happy. And they're, they're loving it. But to me, the fullness of the life experience, you got to have kids. You got to have a wife.

You got to have someone that you commit to and that you're selfless for. Yeah, you did that with your country. And that's that is so heroic. But when you sacrifice for one woman or for your kids, you know, people ask me, what's the meaning of life? You know, your cosmologists, you study

the universe. And they always want to know, what do you think is the meaning of life? I say for me,

it's an easy recipe. First of all, you got to find a partner. And I even have a nerd, right? So I had a mathematical algorithm to find my wife. Okay. Wait a minute. You had a mathematical algorithm to find you. I got to hear this shit. So what does that even mean? It means you take metrics. You know, what you manage, you measure, what you measure, you manage, right? So I kept records, you know, just like dates and people's personalities and things like that. Not like, you know,

like, well, this one, you know, she had a freckle on her butt. That wasn't it. Here's the algorithm

“in simple terms. You should date and there is mathematical science to back this up, by the way.”

You should date and, you know, for some period of time, once you're ready and you're like,

no one's ever ready, by the way, like, were you ready to get married and like commit to one woman

that you're the only woman you're ever going to be physically, intimately, build a family. No, no one's ever ready for that. No one's ever ready for kids. No one's ever ready probably for combat. Like, it can't be ready for it, right? These are things that like make us uniquely human. But for me, I said, keep date for some period of time. Keep a list of women. And you may date for women. You know, I'm sorry. I know you've got women that listen. I'm just going to speak for my

person. I'm going to talk only about women, but it applies to women looking for men. Date somebody until you find the following person. If I had a daughter with this woman, would I be okay if my daughter turned out to be like this woman? Okay. So let's say, I dated, I dated a cheerleader. I dated someone, you know, like, just models. I dated and wonderful people whenever I dated people that were Jewish, people that were Catholic, people that were Muslim,

even. I dated a whole bunch of people, right? And then some of my dated for selfish reasons, right? She's hot. You know, she's, she's so fun. Like, we just did a coolest things together. Whatever. Like, mostly this because she was hot. Okay. I have a lot of weaknesses on, but but that was one of them. And, but I said, I don't know. Let's just take it to the extreme. Like, you're dating some like, playboy playmate. I shouldn't say that. One of my friends will playboy

point. Uh, you're dating some, you know, just super hot, smoking hot, Instagram model. Right? Do you want your daughter to turn out like that Instagram model? Do you want her necessary? Maybe she's a wonderful person, but I'm just saying that one by that one dimension. I didn't want my daughter to be like these people, right? Until I met my wife. And I said, God, if I had a daughter, I would, I would get every God in here. And I would protect this

daughter if she's anything like my beautiful wife. I would do anything. She's such that she is with a piece of human debris. Like me, you know, that she is willing to be with me and save my life and give me life and give me children. Do anything. I found her. I knew it when I found her, but only because I had a fiscal sample, you know, for a few decades, you know, I didn't get married until I was in my late 30s. Um, and that's what I knew. That's the algorithm. Stop dating

when you meet the girl who's daughter, you would want to be your daughter. Not the, not the super rich, you know, person, not the super wealthy or smarter than you know. No. Famous? No.

“Someone that you want your daughter to be like. That's how I stop them. That's the key to”

getting an algorithm. To get an algorithm, serve me well. Good for you. So, and then as far as kids go, you know, those are your leaders didn't work out, huh? That's right. That's right. Well, my wife's not going to watch this. Um, but people talk about look, look, what's the meaning of life? Like, how do you live your life? I'm sure you've been happy at different points. I'm sure you've been low at different points. So, happiness is what's called in physics and unstable equilibrium point,

right? Technically, if I have a pencil, there's mine. You don't ask me about my professor EDC gear, okay? Here's my EDC as a professor and see only thing I could get on TSA, right? It's a tactical pen. And I could theoretically balance this on this point, okay? I'm, you know, I had too much coffee,

The lightest perturbation, a butterfly flapping its wings, will knock this thing over far away, right?

“So, it's an equilibrium means it's stable, but it's unstable to fall over. Happiness in life is”

like that. You can be in a state of happiness and you can be in a state of contentment and flourishing,

but it will never last because of a concept called entropy.

Entropy is an aeravocable, irreversible tendency for the universe to chaoticly and ultimately to destroy both information and and stasis in equilibrium. And here's an example I like to give. Right now, let's say your happiness is x, right? This, you know, incredible. Everything you've done, I don't know about your personal life, but I assume it's, it's, it's fantastic. All right, so it's Sean, I want to double your happiness right now. What would I have to do?

If I gave you x, 2x money, 2x podcasts, downloads, 2x Instagram, would you be 2x happy? You'd be happier, maybe, but would you be 2x, say again? Would you be? I'm asking you. Probably not. No, would you be at any happier? Right, doubt it. If you have twice as much money as you have right now, think about, well, all you could do differently when I'm, you know, I doubt it. I just remember, like,

Monty Burns in, in the Simpsons, he's the, you know, the billionaire, greedy billionaire guy. And Homer Simpson one day. I watched this, I saw this meme the other day. Yeah. Maybe not a meme, a cartoon. Yeah. And it was this little kid fishing. And he just had the little cloud, the thought cloud coming out of his head and what he wanted, you know, what, whatever he wanted, he wanted a fucking new car.

And then he's in his new car. And you see the thought cloud coming out of his head.

“And that's what he wants now. Now he wants a plane. Yeah.”

And then he gets the plane. And there's a thought cloud coming out of his head. And it's what he wants next. And then the next thing is he's dead. Yeah.

He just never stopped wanting. Never. And that's what I've noticed with the money.

The more money you make, the more once, the more you're owned by your fucking possessions. Yeah. It's called the he'd don't anymore more. Yeah. You never get off it. And, uh, you know, I feel like I've learned this very early in my journey. Yeah. You know, I think a lot of people, it takes a lot longer and a lot more money to learn that lesson. But no, I don't think Monty's gonna bring me more happiness. I don't think more subscribers, more viewers, more downloads,

more better rankings, like it's just great. I mean, the fun is the climb up. Yeah, to me. Yeah. No, climb up. He was really fucking cool. It's still is. I love doing this. I love having this conversation with him. I am also a competitive mother. Yeah. And once I hit number one for the first time,

knowing I'm not gonna stay there because Rogan's the fucking king and he always will be,

but it is. We'll talk about it. And he, of course, he always will be. I don't think so. I mean, he, he, he, he, he, I do. But I don't think anybody can take that away from him.

“Somebody will outdo him eventually. I think he was the pioneer. He is the pioneer. He is the goat.”

But the whole point, at least in my field, if I, if this book is still relevant in a hundred years, I'll be a failure. You know why? Because it means science will have stagnated. It means no. But if somebody builds off that book for the next hundred years, everyone else will fucking set the trend. You're the king of it. That's true. And Joe Rogan is the fucking king of podcasting. Everybody else that came after him, no matter what they do, it was built off the Joe Rogan. One way or another

long-form discussion was built off of him. But will he always be number one? Will he always be number one? No, obviously, once we have because he's a mortal human being. So, and eventually he will get tired of this shit. Somebody else will reinvent. That's all. It's changed the game, but it's like baby Ruth. Everybody still knows who the fuck baby Ruth is, right? And so, anyways, what I was getting at is, no, I don't think any of

that none of that shit is going to bring more happiness. And we'll drive your ego through the fucking roof. Yeah. And we'll probably ruin you as a person. 100% of that amount of success in money. But it's not going to bring more happiness. In fact, Jim Carrey has a really good quote. I wish everybody could be rich and famous. So, they know that's not the answer. Yeah.

up. It's unstable, right? So, what you describe is called the hedonic treadmill. Heated anism

“is like sick and pleasure, happiness, whenever wellness, well-being, flourishing. It's a treadmill,”

because it never stops. You just keep running on it. Someone's always going to have more followers,

more money, more women, more guns, more whatever, right? That's going to get to a point. More guns, I'm not so sure, but, um, but in any case, but let me ask you this. I said, could I double your happiness? You said, absolutely not what he crazy. You said, could I increase your happiness? You're the first person I ever asked that particular question. Just said, no, you couldn't increase my happiness by even a bit. And I respect that. I'm not,

I'm not, uh, disputing that whatsoever. I said with money. With money. Okay. Well, fam, shit. Is there anything material, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not. I'll tell you how you can increase my happiness. It's going to sound like a fucking punishment. You take all my social media away. You take my phone away. You take my phone away. You take my phone. I already viewed

everything. I can prescribe that to you on Saturday. And you Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, and you take my

“occupation away and force me to be with my fucking family, where we don't have to worry about”

money, how we're going to eat, how we're going to get shelter, how we're going to fucking drink water. And that will create a happy trip for me. We'll try for me. I know we don't know each other, but we try one day. I think how fucking easy it is. I don't, I'm sure you've done very well. You almost won the fucking Nobel Prize, right? So you've got to be financially stable. Nothing up here. And so, and so you have the option right now. You could throw it all away,

knowing that you would probably be a happier fucking person. But you're not going to do it. I can't throw it all away, but once a week, I can throw it away. Once a week, I can see you not on the phone. I can see you not on Instagram.

I can see you not doing podcast. I can see you go on a church. I can see you doing with your family,

your friends, your community. Heck, you can drive. You know, I'm not allowed to drive on Saturdays. I'm not allowed to use the phone. I'm not saying don't use your phone to call somebody. I'm just saying this connect from the world. The reason is, and it's very beautiful. And I think it applies to you.

“The commandment in Hebrew and the fourth commandment, which is, you should honor the Sabbath, right?”

It doesn't just say you should take off on Sunday or Saturday and kind of chill out, watch the football game. No, no, no, it says six days you must work. In order that seven day is a Sabbath, a rest day, for God has shim, meaning that the purpose of the week is you must earn your frickin' money that the Bob is very explicit. If you don't work, you don't eat. You can't rely on a miracle or even other people that's considered, you know,

this isn't good to rely on other people that they're just gonna provide for you. No, you have to do it. But if you work seven days a week, I know billionaires. I know superstars, you know, millions of Instagram, whatever. They work 24/7. I said to them, I told Stephen Bartlin on his podcast. I said, you're so, so successful. You work seven days a week. Aren't you just a slave? Like, you may be, it may be to a good, good, you know, outcome, you're doing great. If I could buy a

stock option on anybody, he's a 32 handsome fit, great guy, great friends, one of his 100 people, his podcast is like, you know, it's almost as, almost as big as this, okay? And it's all he does. And I'm like, Stephen, take it for me. I'm an older man. You gotta find a woman, you gotta find a life, you gotta make a family and you gotta take time off. If you cannot do that, you are a slave, you're a rich slave. I'm a slave, Sean. I'd love to be on, on, on, doing science every day of the week.

I could do podcasts every day of the week. It's, it's a challenge for me to turn it off. I don't like doing it. How do you turn it off? How do I turn it off? When you celebrate the Sabbath? Yeah. Are you telling me that none of your science is at your head? That's not the issue. Science is in your head because science is a vehicle to God. It's your work. I'm not, I don't work on papers. I don't, I, I, I told you it's in your head. That, that's not, are you really able

to watch it all the way up? God is not like Kim Jong-un, you know, he's not, he's not policing your thoughts, right? So he, he doesn't care if you're doing that. He cares if you're on a podcast with some of you respect the hell out of and, and you did that and you're not, you're not an, an attempt or you're not with your kids and you're not with your wife and, and you're, and you're kind of, but he doesn't need it for him. God doesn't do this for, for, he's doing it for you. You know,

every six years in the, in, in the, in the Old Testament, you're supposed to let the land lay fall on and not reap every year. How do they eat? So you can go back and dispute and talk about the science. Whatever, you had to let the, every seven years and people would go free. The slaves would go free. If you had to slave, let them go free. Every 49 years, you know, the word Jubilee, that comes from Hebrew, the Jovel Jubel. It's a Jubilee. Every 50 years, everybody would get their land

back. Every slave would go free throughout the land. It's on the Liberty Bell. It's on the freaking US Liberty Bell. It says, you shall, you shall declare freedom throughout the land and Liberty to all its inhabitants. We get that from the Torah, from the Old, the Old Testament. And it says,

actively in pursuit of something bigger than yourself. And by the way, I think you do this,

“but you just don't know it. So the only I'm saying is it's like an easy prescription from this”

non-medical doctor. Okay. But it's the decoupling from the world. And I don't care if somebody's tweeting about me because I said something about Obbylobe and I don't give a fine F. I could care less. I'm not checking it. I'm not seeing, oh, I got this bang or tweet. I got to get it out there. I gotta, I don't care. It can wait. You know why? It's come back to the happiness thing. I told you and you and you had this eloquent way of saying it. Like, sorry, Brian. Like, Elon Musk comes

in here and drops a billion dollars on it. You can be, come on. You'll be a little bit, but you

wouldn't be twice as happy. You wouldn't be ten times as happy, but Sean, I'd be happy in the moment. In the moment. Yeah. But that's not how it is. But then it goes away. That goes away. But here's the, here's the sick thing about life. I can't make you happier, guaranteeing,

“well, I can make you unhappy, guaranteeing, right? This is entropy. Entropy is the concept”

of disorder, of chaos, of randomness. The things that make us happy, organization, structure, family, production, work. It's organized as structure. The natural order, the universe is towards disorder and chaos. We must control it by applying energy to reduce entropy. I'm being happiness as a choice. Say more. Say more. Someone who's unhappy to press, they can't just choose it. Sometimes they need medication or situate job change or something like that, right? It's

partially could be a choice. But unhappiness, you have to choose when you wake up if you're going to be pissed off or if you're going to be happy, right? Yeah. If you're healthy, yeah. But anyone who has kids, this is getting back to my meaning of life and how I find me. Anyone who has kids, I don't even say it. Well, I'm not going to hang and say, I can't make you a little bit happier, but I can make somebody infinitely unhappy. I'm not saying I'm going to do it or saying they could be come

in fit. I know billionaires, I don't have lost kids, okay? You think they wouldn't trade all their billions, billions of billions more, be poverty, poppers living in the gutter to have their kids, but their sons back, okay? So you can make someone infinitely unhappy, but you can only make them financially happy. That's entropy. What does that tell you? Do the things in life that if they

“got taken away would devastate you? It sounds depressing as, you know what? But that's what I think”

about. I want to construct order. I want to reduce entropy. I want to create things, build things. Now, for my ego, now for my back account. But for the goodness, for the benefit, it brings to the world and the future. I think that's what the meaning of life is. I mean, I'm a scientist, maybe that doesn't apply to everybody. Sure, a lot of people will be happy with seven Instagram

models and a billion bucks, but maybe not. See, again, you look at the Torah, you look at the Bible,

anyone who had multiple wives, they were some of the most unhappy people that you'll ever know about. So guys out there, be careful with what you wish for. We've got a hot question before you're ready and go for it. Here we go. Coming in, huh. Back in 1950, Enrico Fermi, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist in one of the fathers of the atomic age was having lunch with colleagues at Los Alamos, when he asked a question that still unsettles science today. Where is everybody? The universe is

enormous. It's ancient. And based on the sheer number of stars and planets, it seems like life should exist somewhere else. Yet so far, we have no confirmed signal, no confirmed contact, and no undeniable evidence that another intelligence civilization is out there. Can you break down what Fermi paradox is? Yeah. One of the people he said that to was an old friend of mine who's deceased now, named Herburek, he's one of the founders of UC San Diego,

MSMela, he was a great person, built the atomic bomb, and then spent many years as many warriors do advocating for peace afterwards. No one knows more about wanting peace and the goodness of peace, I guess, than you who fight the wars, right? So he helped develop the atomic bomb, and he was at that lunch with Enrico Fermi when he posed this question, you know, kind of a side quest is the ability to atomic bomb, right? So the concept is that the universe is vast, but let's just

restrict ourselves to the galaxy. Our galaxy is a few hundred thousand light years across, meaning light takes a hundred thousand years to get from one edge of the galaxy to the other

edge. There's about a hundred billion stars in our galaxy. There's about a hundred billion galaxies

in the observable universe. That's a hundred billion squared stars in the observable universe,

a million million million million planets in the observable universe, 10 to the 24th planets, right?

“So it just becomes crazy. And then you think, well, if only one percent of them have life on it,”

that's 10 to the 22nd power, you know, it's an insane number. So the universe is huge, there's a lot of opportunities for life for planets. And yet, as you say, we have no evidence that rises above scientific truth or evidentiary standards. And this is going back 84 years when he said this in Los Alamos, right? Wow. So this kind of shows you that back then they didn't think about evidence. It's exactly for Roswell, my other way. And then nowadays, we don't we don't

feel like consequential evidence exists at the level of scientific proof, right? And even those with the most invested in it, like Avila will not say, as he didn't tell you, he didn't say, we have definitive proof, right? He said, he's a careful scientist, right? So we don't have evidence yet. And that's fine. Does that mean they don't exist? Absolutely not. It could exist. And there's many different reasons that could explain why we don't see what we don't see.

Some of them come down to reasons, for example, that have to do with, there's an equation called the Drake equation. Radio, an astronomer in the 60s said, let's calculate how many different life forms there could be in the universe. And what it would take for us to know that they're there, okay? So how many people are there? And it's, or how many civilizations are there that we could communicate with. In other words, if there's slime mold, if there's like bacteria, you know, on a planet,

“that's, you know, one, four light years away, right? 10, 10, four light, whatever you want, right?”

We would never know they exist because they don't have technology to broadcast radio waves and

light waves for us to see. Or neutrino, tractor beams, or gravitational waves, they don't have technology, right? So it's, this, how do we know how many technologically advanced civilizations there are in order for us to be able to detect them? Otherwise, we can't detect them, right? We're not going to the other star systems. The fastest thing that humans have ever made, Voyager, let's travel the farthest away from Earth. It's one light day from the Earth. It was launched 55 years ago before

I was born. And, and that sense, it's, you know, that, that thing is the farthest we've ever gone. It's only one light day. The nearest star is four light years away. So thousands of times closer in the, and so effectively, we will not be able to find aliens unless they send us information or come and visit us. So if, if you say that they haven't, if Fermi saying they haven't,

“we don't have evidence that has to be some explanation for them. Otherwise, you could say,”

one option, one possibility is they don't exist. Now, they might not exist now, but it doesn't mean that they didn't exist in the past. Right now, there's information from the 1936 Olympics that's

getting out. It's about 90 light years away from us. That was the first time humans ever transmitted

a globally televised signal, a radio wave that could travel around the world and go into outer space by accident, leak into outer space, right? That is now traveling at the speed of light, 90 light years away from us. There's approximately, you know, maybe a thousand stars that live within a 90 light year radius of the planet Earth, right? Each one of them might have tens of planets or something around them. That amount of information for them to know about us. That's just for them

to know about us. That's not the center of return signal. That'll be twice to 200 years from now, right? So, so the quickest we could ever send something is it goes out the speed of light, reaches a destination and comes back to us. That light signal left 100 years ago. It's got almost 100 light years away for us to hear back from them. We heard you exist. That'll take another 100 years. Does that make sense? So, there's a sphere, it's a radius 100 light years called

1,000 stars plus or minus in them, and there's maybe 10,000 planets in those. So, right now, all we could say is we don't know, there could be stars that are half that distance, 50 light years away, maybe there's 300 of those, and there's 3,000 planets on them. So, all we can say is that volume of space knows about us and could have returned a signal to us, since we started broadcasting information. We don't have any evidence of that. Not for people not looking,

but that is such a tiny microscopic number. That's like a shock glass out of the Pacific Ocean, in terms of how much the vastness of the universe is. So, one thing is that space is very big, and the speed of light is very slow, even that's the fastest speed you could possibly travel at. Another solution that people have come up with is that there's lots of life in the universe, but they tend to not live very long, because they have these things called wars,

and they do battle among themselves. And you see this at every level of speciation from bacteria to Beethoven. I mean, to us, right? I mean, I don't tell you, bacteria have military campaigns against enemy bacteria cultures. They secrete toxins that preclude other bacteria. They spend

encroaching on their precious goo that they're eating. Every level of, and that's the most

primitive life that we know about, all the way up to the most advanced life we know about, namely us. So, maybe they only live so long. Maybe there's a paper I read about recently. My friends have been a house in Felder, made a video about it, Elon Musk is tweeting about it. And it is,

“I mean, I think Abbey Lobo's involved in somewhere, or other. It shows there might be an average”

lifetime of a civilization in order for us not to have seen anybody of about 5,000 years. Wow, which is like barely back to the pyramids, right? Sure. So, some say you hit this this filter, and then you get filtered out. The question is, are we past the filter? We're not yet there. So, there's a lot of explanations. Another one that I like is, I take my kids to the San Diego Zoo, and when I take them there, there's a Gorilla exhibit, and I love the Gorillas, but it says

on the, on the, on the science says, don't knock in the glass. It really bothers them. You know, it just makes them anxious, so don't do that. Of course, my kids do that. And then they get kicked out. But what, what if, you know, you went and said the San Diego Zoo, we go to the wild animal part. Then you're really far away from the Gorillas. You're not going to knock in the glass. You don't even need glass. You're really far away. You observe them in a distance.

Maybe there are things lurking, observing us at a distance. But as interstellar species that has the ability to come here, or to sense our activity in our presence, has advanced technology, what is it that we're going to learn from? I mean, have we learned that much?

Besides about the species of Gorillas and bacteria, we learn about those, but like, I always say,

you know, ornithologists study birds, right? But an ornithologist needs a bird a lot more than the birds need the ornithologist, right? And birds don't care if you study them or not, right? So they might not be interested in us. We might not be able to do anything for them. We might not provide any

“resources. They're going to eat us. And that's why I'm skeptical of these things. I don't know if you're”

heard of a cattle mutilation and, and, like, abductions and things like that near death experiences. There's only one near death experience that I believe in, by the way, 100% documented fact. Which has to do with Alfred Nobel. You know the story? You know Alfred Nobel was, he invented dynamite. So he was one of the richest people in the world, kind of like Elon Musk or Tesla of the 1800s. He was one of the richest people in all of Europe and all of the world. And his family was involved

with making sea mines for the Russian and Crimean Battle War of 1840, something like that. And so they were arms dealers. Alfred Nobel and his father Emmanuel. And they were trying to invent ways to make their methodology more lethal. And one of Alfred's brothers, his baby brother, Emile, started to play around with the nitroglycerin. And nitroglycerin is incredibly unstable. And one day he was in the lack of the family laboratory and he dropped it on the floor and blew up,

like enormous explosion vaporized him and six other people, five other people. Six people killed instantly. And this devastated his father Emmanuel Nobel and Alfred as well. And Emmanuel ended up basically getting committed to Saturnium. And then he died eight years to the day of his son. His heart was broken and he had a stroke and just devastated him. And Alfred

set out to do something to make that never happen again. And he took nitroglycerin and he mixed it

with the type of basically clay. It's called diatomaceous earth. And he mixed it together like chalk or clay with nitroglycerin and it made it stable so you could drop it. And that became known as dynamite. Dynamite in Greek means powerful rock. And he became one of the richest people in the world based on that invention. But it was also used for munitions and they sold in their arms factory. And reportedly he had indirectly been responsible for the deaths of more people than any person

in human history. So much so that at 1888 he's walking around Paris and he sees a headline in the Parisian newspaper. And it says Alfred Nobel, the merchant of death is dead. The man who committed no benefit to humanity and killed more people than any other person in human history is dead. Now he's reading. So he knows it's not him. Turns out it was his older brother Ludwig who died. And so he's kind of sad about that. But it was really a wake-up call for him. He had no wife,

he had no kids. And he decided at that point if he died then that's the way the world was going

“to remember him. Like George Bailey in a wonderful life. He sees the ghost of Christmas present,”

got to Christmas past and screwed the same exact story in a Christmas girl. He got a glimpse

I don't know how much longer I have to live." He took this huge fortune and he gave 99% of it to the Nobel Prize. And he established it. And its goal was to do what this newspaper said he didn't do, which is to make the greatest benefit to mankind. So he created a prize for peace,

“for chemistry, for medicine, for literature, and for physics. How can I forget physics?”

And these things have had tremendous benefit. The first Nobel Prize ever given was in physics was

for the x-ray. The x-ray machine, which is probably pulled bullets out of people that you know, like it's had so much benefit for diagnostic purposes. I had a toothache. The x-rays benefited human kind and it's a physics invention. It's a technology invention. And then the Nobel Peace Prize, which has a very checkered pass. One of my friends, O'Neill Tartini wrote a book about how, you know, it's gone to like Yasser Arafat and terrorist. And you know, in all sorts of sort of character,

there's Obama won it after being an officer like nine days. So it's been politicized. But it's still

“has this noble LE goal of benefiting all mankind through science, through peace. And I think it's”

so wonderful thing. And it wouldn't have happened without this near-death experience that Alfred Nobel encountered. So that's the only near-death experience I believe. I don't know, you might have bothered to start. We'll bribe a wrap up the interview here. Last question. Who'd you recommend for the show? For this show? I thought that's easy. I don't know if the internet can handle it though. Eric Weinstein. Eric Weinstein is one of the foremost kind of

intellectuals. He's created concepts and he's incredibly quotable. He's incredibly courageous. He's incredibly he gets a lot of hate because people he's so outspoken. And I have the distinction of being the only person that ever interviews him that pushes back on him. And sometimes we get fight

“like brothers. And we have a lot of respect for each other. And I think you could you could you”

can handle them. And I think that combination has encyclopedic knowledge of everything from aliens, theoretical physics, artificial intelligence, economics, and then his very very interesting perspective on the Epstein. He met Epstein. Epstein knew about Eric's research. Maybe partially some weird Harvard connection where Epstein had an office and a work space. And he wasn't a professor. He wasn't a PhD. And Eric understands a lot more about Epstein. I think most

people do because he saw it from the financial component, the physics component, the Harvard, the institutional, all these different perspectives. And he's just he's so quotable, imaginative. And he's such a good spear recall, manch, he's a manch that you and him together, I think would break

break the internet line open. Well, talk to them. I've never met him. I don't want him. You have his

number all. I do have his number. I get in touch with him. I think all right. He'd be he's the one no question. Well, thank you, Brian. Fast standing conversation. No matter where you're watching the Sean Ryan show from, if you get anything out of this at all, anything, please like, comment, and subscribe. And most importantly, share this everywhere you possibly can. And if you're feeling extra generous, head to Apple Podcasts and Spotify, and leave us a review.