Robert F. Kennedy Jr. On Why So Many Americans Feel Sick, Tired, & Inflamed - And What Needs To Change

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Hello everybody, welcome back to another episode of The Bostics.

Today's episode is one we approached very intentionally. We're sitting down with Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and before we get into it, we want to be really clear about how and why we have this conversation. This is not a political episode. We didn't bring them on to debate headlines, take sides, or get pulled into the noise.

We brought them on because there's a much bigger question we think everyone is asking right now.

“And that question is, why are we so unhealthy in a country with so many resources?”

Why are chronic diseases rising? Why does our food system look the way it does?

Why does healthcare cost so much and still feel reactive instead of preventative?

And maybe most importantly, why is it so hard to change any of it? So in this conversation, we stayed focused on the architecture of American health, the systems, the incentives, and the decisions that shape what we eat, how we're treated, and how we live. We talk about the rise in chronic disease, what's happening inside our food supply,

how dietary guidelines have evolved, and why terms like ultra-process are only now being clearly defined. We get into infant nutrition, environmental factors like soil health, and what's driving issues like fatigue, inflammation, and hormone disruption. Many of the things we talk about regularly on this show.

“We also zoom out and look at healthcare itself, why it's so expensive, where it prioritizes”

treatment over prevention, and what it would take to actually build a system centered around

long-term health. So quickly before we dive in, but those who may not be familiar with his background, Secretary Kennedy is an environmental attorney, author, and longtime public health advocate. He previously served as senior attorney for the natural resources defense counsel and co-founded the waterkeeper alliance where he focused on clean water protection and holding corporations

accountable for environmental harm. He comes from the Kennedy family, the son of former U.S. Attorney General and Senator Robert F. Kennedy, and the nephew of President John F. Kennedy and has spent decades working at the intersection of environmental issues, public health, and policy. Today he serves as the 26 U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services, where his focus

includes reforming aspects of the food system, increasing transparency, and addressing chronic disease in America.

“Whether you agree with him or not, the goal here is simple to understand how these systems work,”

and what that means for you and your family. Because at the end of the day, this episode is about something bigger than anyone person or opinion. It's about your health. Your story says, and it's about understanding the world you're living in more clearly.

So with that, let's get into it with Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Mr. Secretary, we have more convenience than any generation yet we're sicker than ever. From a basic level, what are we getting wrong? Well, we have right now with the sickers country in the world, so we pay two to three times more for health care per capita than any of the industrialized countries.

When we have the sickers population, we have the highest chronic disease burden. Our kids are sick, 77% of American teens can't qualify for military service. As about obesity or autoimmune diseases or other chronic diseases, we spend now, my uncle is present, I was a 10 year old boy, we spend zero on chronic disease. And now we spend 4.3 trillion a year, and it's the fastest growing budget item.

It's about 40% of every federal dollar goes to health care, and 90% of that is, is to treat food induced diet into his chronic diseases. So it's existential for our country, we can't solve the health care crisis without solving chronic disease. You can't Obamacare is not going to solve it, single payer, all the things that the Republicans

and Democrats have been arguing about historically are just like switching deck of chairs around on the Titanic, unless we address the issue directly, we're not going to get it solved. Well, when I was a kid, the average pediatrician would see one case of juvenile diabetes in his lifetime over a 40 or 50 year career, today, 38% of teens, American teens are diabetic or free diabetic.

And you know, autism is another good example, it was a national, it was a study on autism, an epidemiology of the largest epidemiological study ever done in 1970, and they were looking for the incident vautism, the incident rates, and the rate they came down with was 0.8 per 10,000, so less than 1 in every 10,000. Today, it's 1 in every 31 kids, California, it's 1 in 19 kids, 1 in 12.5 boys.

And so you think of all the lives that have been ruined by this, and you know, we're

is not suffering from either obesity or some other chronic disease, all these autoimmune

“disease, you see particularly in girls, and then there's all these emotional problems, many”

of which are food related, and you know, it's now been very well established that there's a, there's a gut-to-brain connection, and there's a researcher at Harvard called Chris Palmer who is actually dramatically reducing the impacts of schizophrenia simply by changing to a keto diet, you know, the symptoms go down by 30%, there's a lot of other studies out now that show that people with bipolar disorder can lose their diagnosis by changing

their diet, and we know it's connected to a, for example, food diets, all right, it's very well-docs, men are connected to ADHD, and you know, when they do these studies and prisons which there are many, many of them that you can find on the internet, the, when they switch

from prison, typical prison food to real food, violence level goes down by 40 or 50 percent,

the use of restraints and juvenile detention facilities go down by 75 percent, the incident rates, all of these metrics for, you know, depression and anxiety, and violence, drop dramatically

“when you start giving people good food, you know, those are important signals to what we should”

be doing right now. So, we've wanted you on here for a long time and I know we've had it on and off the schedule and what we're so excited about this conversation is I really don't look at this as a red verse blue issue, I look at this as an American issue, I look at this as a, as a, as a health issue, we've been, you know, we've talked on this show for years about the importance

of taking care of yourself, when you look back and with everything you've learned over the years, where did America start to get off the tracks with our health, because if, you know, you see those old videos of people working out and in shape and, you know, lower cases of diabetes and obesity, like, is, can you pinpoint a period of time when it got off the rails?

“Yeah, I think, you know, you, you had this explosion of chronic disease really happened”

in the mid-1990s. I was peripherally involved with the tobacco litigation in the late 1980s, and during that time, the tobacco companies with a wealthiest country of companies came out to catch rich companies on earth, more than oil, more than anybody else, and they saw the writing on the wall, they saw the regulatory headwinds that they were going to face, they saw the litigation

or is their customers were turning against them, so they began diversifying, and they diversified into the food industry, so by 1995, the two biggest food companies in the world were RJ Reynolds and Philip Morris, which were both cigarette companies, and they transferred thousands of scientists who were engaged and making tobacco more addictive to figure out ways to make food addictive, and by adding salts and sugars and developing all of this ultra-processed

food and highly refined carbohydrates, and putting in chemically, you know, lab created chemicals that would hijack your brain, and make you insatiable. If you smell a strawberry aroma from your food, your mind thinks it's strawberry, I want to eat it, but there's no nutrients in it, it's a chemical, and so when it gets to your stomach, you're stomach to say I need more, and you just keep stuffing, stuffing to

your pile, and you never really get full when you're eating that stuff, if you eat a protein

meal, you're full, it's really hard to get obese if you're just eating protein, but if you're eating, it's nutrient dense, but if you're eating ultra-processed food, you're going to be almost certainly going to get overweight, so that's one of the things that happen, and then the food industry also captured FDA around that time, and what do you mean captured FDA? Well, you know, they began controlling FDA, so it's called industry

capture, or agency captures when the agency becomes a sock puppet for the industry, it's supposed to regulate. It's a dynamic that's in place with most industries from the financial industry to, even like the military, it becomes, the contractors figure out ways to dictate policy, and the big industries, you know, the big polluters control, you know, EPA in a lot of the state and environmental agencies, so it happens with every agency, but it really

guidelines, and in a couple of things happened. One is in 1958, we passed a law that the FDA

began regulating the ingredients in food. There was a whole lot of no ingredients after World War II, the chemical industry, who was getting involved in food, and they developed, so they've started in '58, regulating it, but they said, "Any new ingredients in the

“judge, you have to show safety studies for them before you add it," which makes a lot”

of the sense. They said, "They're certain ingredients that are just generally recognized as a safe GRAS grass." They developed a loophole that said, "For those ingredients like vinegar and salt and stuff that's been used for millennia, you don't have to show safety study. The industry hijacked that term and applied it to all new chemicals." They gradually

got control of it. They got an agreement with FDA that they never had to show any safety

study. They could self-affirm. They could say, "We checked with it." So it's an example of an ingredient or a chemical that maybe gets through GRAS that people think is safe that is not safe and regularly. I mean, food dies would be, you know, those kind of things. We now have, I mean, look at the back of any process food. And it's all those names that you can't pronounce. Those are all the ingredients. And we now have

in this country, we don't even know how many ingredients, because FDA wasn't even counting them, but there's probably around 10,000 ingredients in our food. And Europe has only 400.

And all of the rest of the 10,000 are illegal. So our food became the most chemically

laden with all of these, you know, ingredients that had slipped through the GRAS loop all. And we're changing that now. We've changed the GRAS loop all, so that work we've closed it. So the new ingredients have to show safety studies. Then we're going back to all the old ingredients. And we're saying, "Oh, what's your safety study? You know, we're

“going to tell Starbucks and Dunkin' doughnuts. You need to show us the safety study that”

show that the show that showed you convinced you at a 15-year-old girl can safely drink a Coca-Cola or an ice coffee that has 115 grams of sugar at it. I don't think they're going to be able to do that. No, it's great. I mean, we drop our kid off at school sometime. And there's there's Starbucks nearby, and I see some of these young kids with these, and this is not passing judgment

on the parents, but I just know what's in those drinks. And there's so much sugar. And there's these little bodies. And I think I don't think anyone's trying to do any harm. They assume that if it's being sold, that it's a... Yeah, I mean, it's addictive. And hijacked your brain. The sugar is the deepest crack. It's very, very bad for you. I mean, it grows tumors. But it just destroys your mitochondria and

your metabolic process. So it's... it is... these chemicals are a... our weapons of mass destruction against... against the human metabolic process. And they're destroying our kids metabolism. And all of these kids are, you know, metabolically injured.

“You flipped the pyramid, which is a big deal. Why was it flipped the other way to begin with?”

Yeah, we were... I mean, again, the food pyramid was also hijacked. The dietary guidelines were hijacked. And they were hijacked by big companies, like Proctor and Gamble, and oftentimes with a collusion of the American Heart Association, which was taking all this money from Pepsi and Coke, which make a lot of process foods. And so they told the country that it was bad to eat proteins and saturated fats, which they didn't have any good science for. And it pushed

the pyramid, or it's ultra-processed food and highly refined carbohydrates. So today, 70% of American children or our children's diet is... the average American kid, 70% of their calories are coming from an ultra-processed food and it's just poison. It's not food at all. It's poison. And that's because the way they had... I mean, the entire food... when I came in, I was supposed to... I came in a year ago, a year and two weeks ago yesterday. I, a week later, I was given

to pages long. It was in comprehensible, and it was... it had been written by food industry

“lobbyists. And it was... it reflected the mercantile impulses that put fruit loops at the top of”

the food pyramid. Fruit loops is not a food, and yet it was at the top of the food pyramid. And so, you know, what we did is we threw out the Biden recommendations at dietary guidelines. And we worked for 11 months. We brought in Mark Hyman, and we brought it in the best nutritious in the country from the best universities in the country. And we put them all in a room and said, you know, we need science-based guidelines. And so, all of our dietary guidelines

are cited in source multiple sources. And the food pyramid is reflection of the new dietary

guidelines. And our new dietary guidelines are instead of being hundreds of pages long, they're less than 10 pages long. And you can summarize them in three words, "Eat real food." So that's, you know, people should be eating food. It's most of the items that are in your food today in all surprises, food are not food. There's something else.

“Can you talk about why this is also such a big deal? So I think people, you know, we grew up”

seeing the food pyramid in school and being like the textbook and you'd study it. But we had someone recently on the show that said the reason this is such... you can crack me if I'm wrong. That it's such a big deal is that the food pyramid in the way that these dietary guidelines are set also dictate what food children get in schools that are funded by a government. It dictates, you know, what programs, you know, and food people are able to get access to.

Is that correct? Is that why this is... Yeah, I mean, with the government pays for huge amount of

the USDA loan spends $405 million a day on food subsidies. So now those food subsidies go

to the SNAP program, they go to school lunches, they go to Wix, they go to Head Start, they go to Indian Health Services, and those foods are now all going to have to change because they're going to have to reflect, you know, they're going to... we're not going to be buying stuff that's not food because this is the source material that everything it basically has. And then, you know, you have millions of military meals every day and also the VA and all that's changing. It's already

changing and I had a guy on my podcast this week called Robert Irvine and he's a chef and he's the chef. He was a television chef and really interesting guy. He came out of the British Navy and he was the chef of the British Navy. He then became a very successful television chef and he has now been retained by Pete Hague-Saf's redo all the military meals. So he's already opened at five bases by the end of this month. He'll be in 20 bases. And the soldiers in those bases were not eating the military food.

It was so bad. It's a pauling. It is unspeakable and they were going and using their meager-page hacks to pay for fast food on the base. And the fast food is not cheap. They were going not even... they were just... they were going to cross the street to, you know, to the fast food. It was so bad that they didn't jump, it wasn't like they were jumping to the right. It was fast food. Yeah, they were going to fast food. And for the fast food is not cheap. A big Mac meal cost

12 to 14 dollars. You can feed your whole family really good food. Mark I'm in a book as a menu and it has a section in it where the book's called Food Fix where he shows you how to eat American Saudi eat for ten dollars. Three meals a day. Really good. Tasty, delicious, awesome real food. Oh, if you cook at home, good food is much less expensive than a few eat at fast food. Anyway, Robert Irvine is making locally sourced high quality food, not even frozen. And one of the

points he made to me said a frozen salmon cost $9 a fresh salmon cost six. A lot of times the the better food is much cheaper if you're willing to cook it yourself. And if the military is spending

“has allocated $18.50 a day per soldier. That's what they spent on food. He's feeding the soldiers”

three good meals a day for ten dollars. And what he says, we don't need more money. We just need to be smarter about how we buy it, how we cooked. What do you eat for breakfast? What do you eat for breakfast day? I eat today, I had steak and I had yogurt steak. I eat grassman milk on top or cream on top

it's a carnivore diet with ferment. So it's carnivore and then the only other thing I eat is

ferment. So sourcrowed kimchi, any kind of fermented vegetable, which there's a huge selection of most grocery stores, a lot of yogurt. Michael's going to steal my sourcrowed after this episode. I got a bunch of sourcrowed from the farmer's market and he's going to go in and eat it because you just said that. No, I'm going to change my diet. Why? And with everything you've seen, why did is this more like, it's not a, is it a strict carnivore diet? Or is it? It's very strict because

“it's a carnivore. It's, you know, meat with for, so no matter if you eat carbs? No, no carbs. Who carbs?”

But you know, I'll tell you what happened. I had a five different people over a two week period telling me, you got to see this doctor, Sean Kaufman, who's a military doctor. He was a lieutenant current on the military. And, and they said, because he, he will get rid of your visceral fat. And I was like, I don't think I have any visceral facts. I have a very low BMI, like under 10. And so I said, well, you know, I would have that inside of me if I've got a low BMI.

What, the people who told me this were just a very eclectic group of people. One was the chief of of the state troopers in Oklahoma. And then another was a woman who owns a little health care company manufacturing company or health food manufacturing company in San Diego. Another was a billionaire woman from Los Angeles. And they didn't know each other. And they all told me the same guy, like, called him. And he said, you got to do a full body MRI. I probably wouldn't have

seen him if I had to do the full body MRI, but I'd already done one. So I said him the copies of that servant preparation for this job. I did one. And I said him a copy of that. He then got on a zoom with me and he showed me my heart was covered with visceral fat. My liver was covered with visceral fat. All of my visceral was covered with it. And he said, if you don't already have age of regulations, you're going to have an eye to have age of regulations every day for four months.

And he told me a lot of other bad stuff that was going to happen to me. So he said, I can't get rid of it all within 90 days. And he said, you do this diet. So I did the diet for 30 days. And I did another full body MRI. And it my visceral fat had gone down by 40%. Wow. And just 30 days. I also lost 20 pounds, which I didn't want to lose. But I lost a lot. And I was actually worried about the amount of weight. I was losing. He said, don't worry. It's all the interstitial physical fat in your muscles

“that you're losing. And then your muscles will come back. And that's what happened. I regained all”

them at 20 pounds back in muscle. And so, you know, my age of regulations completely disappeared. And I haven't even had a skip to heart beats since then. To take a little for me that, you know, the diet is very successful. And I don't, you know, I'm not saying it would be successful for everybody, you know, we're all different armatureisms all different, but for me, or very well. No, and I think this is the stuff people want to know, especially for someone like yourself who

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“I think the biggest, I would say, too, the dietary guidelines, I think are really going to be transformed”

in a generational way. And then I think the MFN must favor nation, drug pricing is also, you know, a really stellar achievement for the president, for all of us. But you know, I was willing to go shaded that at my age and say in that, we had the highest price drugs in the world

in our countries. So we have only 4.2% of the world's population. But we provide 70% of the revenues,

70% of the profits were the pharmaceutical industry. They charge us more than anybody else. You a year ago, you could get the list price for those epic, and this country was $1350. You could get the same product in any pharmacy in London for $88. And that's true with all across the board with all the brand drugs. You would pay two, three, four, five, even 15 times more of the

“same product in this country as you would in Europe. And you know, this is something that every”

president has complained about at discrepancy. President Clinton and President Bush, President Obama,

President Biden, they also said we need to fix this. Nobody did anything. And it was a high priority

for President Trump. He called me almost every day. He called Dr. Oz almost every day and said, where are you? Are you? It seemed insurmountable. And he said, I will because he also didn't want to bankrupt the companies. We had the leverage to force them, because we buy all these drugs on Medicaid and Medicare, before us them to lower their drug price, at least for those programs. But we, you know, we didn't want to bankrupt the companies. And because we want the innovation

to continue there, you know, those are, it's the epicenter of innovation, U.S. pharmaceutical industry. He also wanted those drug companies to unsure their production, because during COVID, we saw how dangerous it was that all of our medication was coming from abroad. Because we were dependent on other countries as well as the drugs were being produced in other countries. And the ABI, which is the, you know, the feed stock ingredients for the drug still are being produced. But now we were

able to negotiate with, and using the leverage of tariffs as a Trump force the European countries to raise their drug prices. And so we, they raise there's a little, so we can lower our soil, because there's a lot more Europeans than the other Americans. And because of that, the drug companies also agreed to answer their production. So, you know, Eli Lilly has building

“six new plants here, including a huge one in Texas, Nova Nordisk is building, I think,”

more new plants in North Carolina all over the country, Merck, Pfizer, they're all building, they're all ensuring now the whole drug industry is now moving to the United States because of President Trump's leadership and because the tariffs. And at the same time, we now have the lowest drug prices in the world. We got guarantees from them that whatever the lowest price they're charging Europeans, we get that price or lower. And Americans today can go on

Trump Rx and they can get for the, they're now, I don't know, it's like 40 drugs on Trump Rx, the most popular drugs. And you can get those including IVF drugs and including GLPs, like Wagoviano, Zempic and the other GLPs, you can get at the lowest price on Trump Rx. It's very, very easy to use and we're going to be adding more and more all the time. So speaking of bank rupting, not wanting to bankrupt the companies, obviously a lot of people are paying attention right

now to the farms and the things that we're spraying on our crops. And I know there was this recent

don't seem so happy with some of the decisions, but I would wonder if we know that these materials and these compounds are hurting us and harming us and causing problems. And we're aware that they're

“making a sicker. What's the long-term solution to protect Americans from these chemicals?”

Yeah, I mean, the problem is, you know, the, the, and executive order was disappointment to

maybe what the executive order does. There's two things that are happening on is an executive order. That said, we're going to onshore glyphosate production to this country and also the production of elemental phosphorus, which are both foundational to our current farm system. And the other is a, that the US government intervened half of the industry in a, in a, in a Supreme Court case, that is debating whether or not there's federal preemptions. So that,

when the EPA label says it's safe, can plaintiffs and state court cases still bring cases against that. And it effectively gives immunity from liability for in state court cases

“against, you know, but to these companies, that's something that is an athlete, everything that I've”

stood for. I don't think that we should be giving any corporation immunity from liability, but President Trump is looking at an issue that is existential for American farming. American farmers already in deep trouble. For example, 98% of the corn that were 97% of the corn that we produce in this country, really is, it uses glyphosate 98% of the soy. And if you didn't, if we didn't have glyphosate, if you banned it overnight,

it would, it would throw our entire food system into people. And people would starve, it would literally be a catastrophe, it'd be a cataclysm according to the industry. The Chinese controlled 99% of glyphosate production. And what President Trump said is,

“that is, and the Pentagon reached out to him on this, as a huge national security vulnerability,”

they could actually starve us to death. And that is a vulnerability that we can't afford. And so, he was responding to, you know, a serious real national security threat. President Trump, and then on the other hand, you have the company that's making glyphosate

bear, which is threatening because they've paid $11 billion in a case that I brought.

And they have another $7.6 billion dollar settlement for some more cases, and they have a $65,000 more case that more coming every day. So they're threatening to leave the industry. If they did that, the industry, again, would collapse. President Trump is acting to force all those eventualities. And he also understands that this is not a good long-term solution, this is a bridge solution until we can transition off of glyphosate. We have to do that in a way

that is going to protect the farmers. The farmers, the most hardworking people in this country,

they're critical to our, not only to our food, but to our culture, to, you know, the whole

basis for American democracy came out of the pastoral areas in this country and the wilderness. And if we lose those, those rural areas in the country, you know, America's, I, we lose our food supply for one. And most farmers in this country are losing money, seven out of 10 years, and there's no kids now moving onto farms. And so we've got to figure out a way to solve the farmers' problems and not coerce them. It's all off of them alternatives.

And there are a lot of really, really compelling alternatives in the future. And in fact, I spoke to a bunch of farmers this week. We're using a new technology with a laser technology. It's an attachment that they drive behind a tractor. And it shoots lasers and all the weeds in every stage of their lives. So even when they're invisible, the human eye can find them and kill them. And it's being widely used now in vegetable fields in this country. And they are, and it's very,

very economical. In fact, they pay back the machine, the machine costs a million dollars. They pay back the machine. One of the farmers I talked to said, she pay back the machine in nine months. And the reason for that is she spending $1,500 a month on pesticides and on human labor. She has this woman. His owns the biggest onion fields in Texas.

And she's spending before she got those machines. She was spending $1,500 an acre on pesticides and labor. And now she spends $300 a month. Oh, she's saving over $1,000 an acre. And one of the first years, by the end, the onions are ready three weeks early, which is another huge deal for farmers. And her productivity per acre is up by 30%. Oh, you know, these kind of technologies and many many other of these kind of technologies. And also safer pesticides are on the horizon. And we're

now putting huge investments in President Trump's orders and to figuring out ways that we can get a he didn't create this problem. But, you know, he's dealing with a problem that other people created over the past six years, dealing in a way that protects our national security and at the same time,

“allows us, gives an off-wrapped farmers who want to transition. Do you guys have fun working together?”

Yeah, I love working with the President. He's just enormously entertaining. And, you know, he isn't really in mind. And I think he understands that he's a power better than any other President, at least in my lifetime and probably in our history. Well, I think what's apparent to everybody is that there's clear issues in this country in many areas. And what it's felt like as someone who's out of politics and who just watches from afar is it feels like it's kind of like,

well, this is the way we've always done things that we're just going to keep doing at this win.

And as you're talking, it feels like a lot of what you are doing is trying to get us back on the right track. It's correcting a lot of those processes that maybe started not with ill intention or maybe

“some did, but are clearly not working for us. Because we have real data to show that we're getting”

sicker and sicker. Like, that some of the stats you rattled off in the beginning, we have three young children. It's, it's alarming for parents, right? We, we're kind of on the cusp where we, we're born in that early period of the 90s and kind of have matured. But, you know, over the

years, you just, you see things that we never saw as small children. And yeah, and it's scary.

Well, you know, I grew up, I had 11 siblings and I'm somewhere around 70 first cousins. I never knew anybody would diabetes. I never knew anybody with an autoimmune disease. I never knew anybody with a food allergy. You know, of all the thousands of people that I've had, I never knew anybody with autism. And I was raised at the forefront of the movement for rights for people with intellectual disabilities. My on unit shriver, my godmother,

started special Olympics. I worked in special Olympics. Before it was special Olympics, when I was still camped shriver from when I was eight years old, it was a hugger and a coach every week.

And I never saw a kid with autism. And I went to, I worked in a state school for

people with intellectual disabilities called Wasek home. When I was in high school for 200 hours, I never saw anybody look like that. And all of it's unfair everywhere. And people, and, you know, many of the kids are high functioning. But then there's about 30% of them. I have lives that are

“really difficult. What do you hope to instill in your own children when it comes to health and wellness?”

Well, my kids, I think, pay attention. I have one of my kids who's 23 years old is on the same diet that I am. And I don't try to force anything on them, but, you know, if they're eating something stupid, I say, as stupid. But, you know, I think they pay attention to their health, they, you know, they're all athletes. And they all, they all want to stay strong to stay healthy. Speaking of your family and your extended family, what is it like to grow up in a family with that kind of name and

legacy? Did you feel a pressure as a young man growing up? Did it feel normal? Did it feel different? I mean, to me, it's what I knew. I didn't, you know, I, I wasn't thinking of this, it really unusual all the time. I was like, okay, this is, you know, this is my life. And I was surrounded by a lot of love and, you know, really big family, not only my family, but then, you know, 29 cousins. And we are all raised, like, almost a single family, because we're all live right now, you know, in the same compound

with each other. And, you know, it was really a magical, wonderful childhood. And there were tragedies,

you know, it's left without any resources. We had resources, we were surrounded by people with

love. So, you know, I don't, I never felt burdened. I felt like I was pretty lucky. It's just what

you knew. Just normal childhood for you. Yeah. There's a lot of mothers listening, right? I'm a mother

“and we want to know about the infant formula requirements. Why is that not been updated since 1998?”

For the same reason, you know, the industry was powerful and the agency was incompetent, was inept. It wasn't doing a job. And we are right now, we're doing a couple of things. One is, where we're doing for the first time, we're looking at the ingredients of maybe four meals, they're not listed. In other words, contaminants of PFAS is heavy metals has to size. We're looking at, you know, how much of those are in each formula. Those studies will be released in April. We

start those studies a year ago. And then we're also doing the first update on the nutrition standards,

because we know a lot more about nutrition now, about infant nutrition than we did in 1998. But the formula is as they are, do not reflect that in knowledge. And we know there's a lot of things that should be in there. And there's probably some things that shouldn't be in there. And so we're going to do a, we're doing a complete review of those. And then we'll soon come out with new guidance. It seems like that would be the first place to start because it's almost the foundation of the

child's life. That's so crazy that as an infant, they're exposed to heavy metals and pesticides and they don't even know it. Yeah. I mean, the safest thing, the people who can do it should

“breastfeed, the best thing that you can do if you're infant, a lot of women can't do that for one”

reason or another. And those women should have access to safe formula. And of course,

it's the most important. Their brain is growing at that time. Their body is growing at that time.

And their brain is absorbing contaminants that are at a rate that it will never do again, because it's building itself. And so you don't want those kind of contaminants to be part of the building blocks of a baby's brain. We talk on this show about a lot of kind of niche health topics all the time. And sometimes, dare I say, we get labeled woo woo by maybe publications that not as nice to us. But I heard you talking one time about EMF. And a lot of people are kind of like,

“oh, is this real? Is it not real? Are these waves causing us harm? From your perspective, is this a”

real thing? And do we have to be aware of EMFs and WiFi? Yeah, I mean, the studies on that are overwhelming. In fact, you know, I was the attorney and litigation in front of the Court of Appeals at Washington, he said, on this issue. And the Court agreed with our position. We gave over 10,000 studies to the Court. And the Court ordered FCC to redo its guidelines. And so right now, we're working on studies on, you know, to make recommendations for what they should be. But we have the worst

guidelines. The guidelines that we have are based upon thermal effect, which means they don't kick in until the phone literally begins to raise the temperature inside your brain or your body. So it's microwaving you. But before that long before that happens, it is affecting DNA. It is affecting the, it's making pervious, your blood brain barrier. It causes all kinds of effects. In fact, there's studies, like I called George Carlow, who was hired by the industry, actually, to defend

the cell phones. And George Carlow produced all of these studies to show that kids, who children, who use cell phones for even 10 minutes at their brain, they're EEGs don't return to normal for at least 12 hours. I mean, it's frightening when you start reading it. But I tell parents is don't ever let. And what I do with my kids is I say, I don't want them put the cell phone next their head ever, put it on speaker or, you know, you know, you're not like wired headphones,

not the, not the blue type of thing. I'm not sure how good those are. It's better than holding the cell phone next your head. And what about the little blue tooth earphones, none of those you

is the thing. But you should not put your cell phone next your head. You should also give them a break

from the cell phone or 12 hours. So if it's, or for eight or not an hour is a day, particularly when you sleep, you know, your kids should not be sleeping the cell phone next to their head, which they all do. I'm so happy that you said this because there's a debate in our house right now. He wants to plug the cell phone in the room. But across the room. It doesn't matter. I don't want it in the room. I want it out of the room. And so what I've been doing is every night I wake up,

while he's sleeping and I unplug it. What's that? We just bought a good actual, like, actually, you're a good mom. We see up. Now, she's a great mom. We, we bought recently one of those old analog clocks. That's just like a base, like an old, basic clock. And I'm not getting someone it is. Yeah, exactly. And it just has a basic alarm. So yeah, I mean, this Paul Saladino

“was recently talking about this. I think he was the San Francisco Giants and their stadiums right”

next to some good, some big cell planter or something. And they said he basically pulled this correlation where they have by average the most injuries of any NFL teams statistically. And he was like, listen, maybe it's not directly from that. But it's the breakdown of the mitochondria of the cells and so they're more susceptible to it. That's interesting. What's your most controversial take? What do people get so mad at that you don't even understand why they get so mad?

Oh, I wouldn't even say because there are people are angry all the time at almost everything that

I do. And, you know, I think most of the things that people are angry about are things that I never

actually said or positions that I never took. I don't know, you know, as soon as anything I say gets out in the media, it's distorted. And that's just part of, you know, the job, it's part of my life for the last 20 years. There's almost nothing I do that is not regarded as controversial.

“Well, I think what we appreciate with you is, and now that we're meeting you in person, it's”

kind of like what you see is what you get. You're playing spoken. You have real answers. You obviously have the knowledge. And there's clearly an issue going on when it comes to our health in this country. And so, you know, I really, and I've been vocal about this. I really think this is a bipartisan issue that everybody should be excited about, which is like cleaning up the health and the health care in this country, right? It affects everybody. It affects future generations.

I cared about this immensely prior to having children. But now that we have three children, I care about it even more. And I think, you know, there's a lot of parents out that are seeing what's going on with sicknesses and illness with their kids. And they, you know, they're frankly frustrated and fed up. And we look to our government officials that we elect to fix this for us, right? Because we want our kids to live the healthiest, best life possible. And I think that that

that should just be an issue everybody cares about. Yeah, one would think. Like you said, it shouldn't be a partisan issue. Also, there's no such thing as Republican children or Democratic children. But, you know, people make it partisan. I mean, we have snap waivers now. You know, we've asked all the states to file them. And there's 25 states that have filed them. And those other waivers where the state requests from the government to allow it to ban certain

foods from being purchased with food stamp money. And so about 10 to 18 percent of food stamp

“money is on so does 10 percent on so does sugar, so does was the worst thing. You can do it again.”

Candy, potato chips, and junk food. And so the states can apply to say, we're not going to pay for those anymore. If you want to drink a soda, you should be able to live in the United States, you should have this freedom of choice. But the federal tax mission, I'll be paying for it, because we're paying 63 million kids with the poorest kids who get food stamps. And those kids then drink that coke. They get diabetes and 78 percent of them end up on Medicaid. So we're

paying to make them sick. And then we're paying for their lifetime treatment. And it's not a good system. And but, you know, when we ask, when we request for the states, files snap waivers, the red states all did it, almost all did it, the only two blue states did it, because they see it as a Trump program. And you know what I'm saying to them, this is nothing to Donald Trump. It's just your kids. You got to love your kids more than you hate Donald Trump. You got to be able to distinguish

between, you know, things that are good for you and just make sense, comments and, you know, and remove that from your hatred of Donald Trump. One thing that we were talking about in preparation

Biden, blue, red. Behind the scenes, when you guys are in closed door sessions with, you know,

“Democrats, Republicans, together, is it cordial? Are you guys getting along and trying to solve this?”

Or is it like, hey, we just, we're all on one side. And we just, it's got to be this way all the time. I think, from the outside, and if you pay attention to the media, a lot of Americans just feel like you guys are at each other's throats all the time. And I wonder if it's actually really like that. I mean, with me, I, with me, it's not even congenial and private for most with most of them. I mean, a couple of them it is. But I was friends with all of these guys for my whole lie. I'm

on Bernie Sanders for 40 years. We were a Democrat for a long time. Yeah, for my whole life, yeah. So, I think they are probably for that reason. They're particularly vitriolic against me, but it's like you switch teams. Yeah. I mean, most of these people, I, you know, were my friends. Yeah, it's not, it's not the kind of congeniality that you would hope for. Hey, guys, did you hear the food pyramid was reasonably flipped upside down with full milk fat and butter at

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“I think the big shock to me was how crooked it was inside an efficient agency. The agency was”

not doing it's job at all. I mean, it's the biggest agency in the history of any government anytime in the history of the human race. And it's the biggest agency in our government. It's the money we spend. It's the number six economy in the world. It's 20% of the United States economy. And it's the biggest economy in the world. Six because it's economy in the world. So they got all this money. We have the worst health of any population. Their job is to make us healthy.

And nobody was feeling accountability for that. It was and then there was just huge amounts of

fraud that were, you know, I mean, we're getting, we're allowing 100 billion dollars a year to be stolen

from Medicaid Medicare alone, 100 billion at least. Why is that not more widely reported on? Well, I mean, I don't think the mainstream media reports on anything that is really relevant to, you know, what's important, what's happening. And particularly if it's something that is going to make Democrats look bad. And you know, I'm very unnot partisan person. But I

Biden White House, not to do program integrity. In other words, not to enforce against fraud.

And they said they were told we want to focus on only enrollment and getting more and more people into the system. So wait, if they caught somebody doing fraud, they may need a lot to prosecute them. Yeah, even the fraudulent claims came in that they knew where fraudulent they were paying.

“But wouldn't that system incentivize more people to commit fraud?”

Of course it does. And these entire industries have grown up now. I mean, I'll give you an example. And they run a lot of times by other nations. For example, in a red state of Florida, there is a giant industry for durable medical equipment. So wheelchair and knee braces and that kind of thing. And there's more durable medical equipment companies in Florida than the whole nation combined. And but none of them are actually making anything. In fact, we found a hotel that had like 129

rooms in each one of them was a different medical durable medical equipment company. And they steal the the patient ID for Americans. And then they claim that they've sold them a wheelchair

or a knee brace and they're making $5 million a month. They just take the money and don't produce anything

“or not. They take the money and send the Cuban tax money. Yeah, it's all our money from my programs.”

And it's easy to spot. You could anybody could spot it. But they just weren't doing it. And the same thing is true. I mean, I can give you hundreds of examples. But Los Angeles, there's more hospice companies than the entire nation combined are mainly operated by Russian mobsters. And they claim to be taking care of people who are dying and the charging federal government in their homes. So it's home care. So they're providing nurses to somebody

who is dying in their own home. And it's all fraudulent. You know what the mortality rate is for these Russian hospices in Los Angeles. They have a hundred percent survival rate. Nobody ever dies. So they're in a hospice. They're just build it internally. And the people don't actually

“exist. They, you know, they're just patient IDs that they've stolen. The same was true with the,”

you know, the Somali mob in Minnesota, which, you know, they used to be that like 30 years ago medican medicare paid if you got a medical procedure. So if you had a hernia operation, you we would pay for the hospital, the doctors, the nurses, the material. We could tell what we were paying for because you had a scar on you and had a licensed nurse licensed doctors and they went through the process. Then we started paying for patient support and for

elderly support. So if you are somebody who has some kind of disability including just old age and your family would normally buy you groceries. Now we pay your family to buy your groceries. We pay somebody to take you to your hospital. We pay somebody to balance your checkbook. Well, that is just an enormous opportunity for fraud. And we pay people to take care of children with autism. Oh, if you have six family members, the mob would come to you and say,

we'll get a doctor to say that each one of those has autism. And then we will pay people, we'll get people and pay them to take care of them. But the care is not actually happening. Nobody actually shows up. We're getting billed for it. And that money was going back to Somalia and to Boko Haram and other terrorist groups, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. We were expecting the autism rate, you know, the autism care program in Minneapolis

should have caused it's about $3 million a year. It was caused to get a $400 million a year.

That was all stolen money. Today the number one job in New York is home care. So it's people doing things that a family member would normally do. I, you know, drive the gram other around buyer groceries, et cetera. Now they can charge the federal government for it. And you know, it was well-intentioned because people said, if we, you know, this, this, the grandma keeps going back to the emergency room every time she gets a little sick or she gets hungry or whatever.

So they made that system. That's called a waiver system with the good intentions that it would be good

to take care of people in their own homes instead of the settlement of the hospital. But what happened is it was immediately abused. So now like I say, the number one job in New York, of all the jobs in New York, of all the industries that that state has. The number one occupation is home care. And they're doing things that a family member used to do. What's frustrating about this is if anybody starts, it sounds like people start to work on this

problem immediately. People can say, how you're taking care away from the sick, which is like, it's like, no, we got a route. But we're doing the opposite of that. We're making sure that the people who actually, these programs were designed to have the money because when you take that money away, it comes from somebody else. And the programs, you know, are, you know, we need the money for the people who are needy, really need a servant. Yeah. I have to ask you, sorry, to switch gears,

“but about your wife, your wife was on the show. What are the wellness practices that you guys do together?”

The big switch. We are really, we couldn't be more different, which I think is what reasons we

we get wrong. But she does yoga. She does Pilates. And she's basically a vegetarian kind of a

pescat area. And so, you know, we have to meet cooked different meals. There's nothing that she likes to eat and I want to eat and vice versa. It sounds like marriage. Yeah. I got to ask you about the genes. The genes called plunging. The genes working out. This is like become a brand. What's going on with the genes? Yeah. Well, originally, I might call plunging wrong. Do I need to be wearing genes? Please don't. Originally, I, you know, I would go, I would just add a busy schedule,

obviously I would, oh, hiking with my dogs in the morning. And then I would go straight to the gym in my genes. And, you know, it was just a convenience to work out. And then when I was campaigning,

a couple of people took pictures of me in the gym wearing genes. And then, I don't know,

then I just got into deep. You are in pretty deep. Yeah. And, you know, when we did it, I did that with Kid Rock. I did it kind of as a gag. But it worked. I mean, you know, it's the video and not, it's when we were working. And it's what we wanted to happen is that people, you know, get inspired to work out. So, whatever, whatever clothing they want. But who's better at cold plenching, you are Kid Rock? I'm sure he is. I don't have a cold plenching my house and he's got it.

“He's better. It's not a skill that I think you actually develop. It's just like, okay, I'm going to”

do this. I'm pretty gnarly. I could come in to you. I'm pretty good. I'm pretty good. She's for sure. She's for sure. We're going to go. We're going to go. I can stay in there. I can stay in there for four minutes. She can stay in there for three times. But I could do three sets of four. So, I could do four, sauna, four, sauna, four. Women have higher immune times for hot punishment with that. Looking, we talk real quick about some cutting-edge health practices. We have a lot of people that

come on and they talk about peptides, it's about hormone. Where do you see this space going from a regulatory perspective? I think there's a lot of people getting interested in GLPs and, you know, and hormone replacement, but there's a lot of hesitation because people don't know if it's efficacious, if it's safe, who to trust, who not to trust, and I guess from from the seat that you said, and what would you tell people? Well, I mean, with the GLPs now, the companies are bruising.

It was a shortage of GLPs for a while. And so, you have the compounding pharmacies make it because they could legally make it during the shortage. Now, there's no shortage and not only that,

“but the price has now dropped dramatically. And so, I think you're going to see, and we're also”

now enforcing against the compounders who are doing mass marketing, which they're not legally allowed to do anyway. The compounders are supposed to be for doctors who prescribe an individual patient, a unique formulation of that particular molecule, that specific patient. Yeah, that they, that the patient can't get them off the shelf because they're shelf. It'll make it in 50 milligrams or 10 milligrams. And let's say you need 30 milligrams. The compounder will make it like that.

And if you have certain allergies, he'll make it with a twist that doesn't provoke an allergic reaction. So, I think GLPs, people are going to be getting for the manufacturers. That's the safest thing, because the API plants that actually make the components of that GLP are inspected by the FDA.

because the Biden administration illegally moved 19 peptides to category two. And category two says

“don't do not formulate. So, is that like a BPC-157 all those times? Yeah, those were moved. And so,”

you had ethical compounders who were buying legal API from FDA-inspected plants. We shut them all down and we created a black market where people are sending our selling, supposedly, send it selling, after our research purposes and for animal purposes and there, but they're marketing to be humans through influencers. And that's illegal. You can't do that.

And so, we have created this multi-billion dollar black market and what I'm working on now

is trying to move those so that they will be available to the public. And they'll be available from, you know, through ethical, safeway, compounders who are buying them from FDA-inspected plants. So, people right now have maybe seen, especially for the audience, that they've seen, maybe these influencer people are talking about this, and they're worried about what would

you tell those people to be cautious about right now while you guys are transitioning. Well,

if you're buying the peptides from a, you know, a research grade peptide or animal peptide, you have no idea what you're getting because the plant is definitely not inspected. And, you know, we've looked at some of them and they're not, they're not what they say they are. Okay. Oh, you have no idea what you're getting. With everything you guys are handling right now, what criticism do you think has been fair as it relates to what you guys are working on,

“if any. I think we've done a, hey, a good job. I don't think, I think most of the criticism is”

again about stuff that we didn't do or it's, you know, it's a lot of noise. I mean, you know, I would love to talk to somebody who is, you know, who wants to criticize me about some position that I supposedly have because I think most of the time they go away saying, okay, well, this makes a lot of sense. Well, I will say you, you come prepared. So, I think a lot of people are nervous about that debate. Was Terry Black's barbecue good yesterday? Well, I went three days in a row. So, I guess it was good.

Oh, my god. I got to tell my parents to go three days in a row.

“Yeah, it's, it's pretty good. Okay. What's your order?”

We got a selection of, you know, the ribs and the brisket. The whole nine yards. Last question, when you look back on what you're trying to accomplish here a year, some now, what are you hoping that you accomplish? What do you want the big takeaway to be? And what do you want the Mohammed to have to do? I mean, my objective for 20 years been to the chronic disease epidemic. And I think we're going to make a dent in it in the next three

years. A big dent. Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. Thank you for doing this. You're great. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thank you very much.