The Truth About Detoxing, Hidden Environmental Toxins, & Supporting Cell Longevity Ft. David Roberts & Dr. John Gildea Of Mara Labs

Welcome back everybody to another episode of the Skinny Confidential.

“Well, him and her show today were sitting down with David Roberts and Dr. John Gildia, the”

founders of Mara Labs, and today we're talking about how to help the body clean house from the inside out and fight back against hidden environmental toxins like microplastics and other modern disruptors. David found in Mara Labs after his late wife was diagnosed with breast cancer, a personal journey that sent him deep into the science of molecules and natural compounds to figure out what actually supports cellular detox, brain health and longevity, joining him as

Dr. John Gildia, he's the co-founder and chief science officer at Mara Labs, and to get

further and creating this incredible company which you're about to hear more about. So if you've

ever wondered which supplements are actually worth the hype, how to protect your body from invisible stressors, like microplastics, how to boost your metabolism without trendy quick fixes like GLP ones, this episode is packed with practical science back insights you can actually use. With that David and John welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.

All right, in this episode we're going to get into microplastics, GLP ones, invisible toxins, inflammation, poor sleep, hormone imbalance, and detoxing made simple. All right, I was just well now that we've, oh no, he loves talk about allergies, he loves it. So where should we start with you, too? I feel like we're going to cover a lot of ground in here. We typically just jump into it and go topic by topic, but I guess to start for just to get a brief

background on both you, maybe just a brief introduction on both you and then we'll dive right in. Yeah, so my background's in public health and biomedical engineering and

basically have been in supplements for the last 13 years, my late wife Mora got breast cancer

and so we're sort of catapulted into learning about supplements and specifically for a cancer.

“She wanted to trade it integratively and that's how I met John. The first week she was diagnosed”

and then past friends ever since. John's wife had breast cancer and that he hopes her treats successfully and she's a survivor and he was in a kind of a famous cancer lab and is not only everything about cancer, but everything about natural products in cancer. So you both have had wives that have had breast cancer. Correct. Wow, that is not a fun club to be a part of. I'm very sorry to hear that. When you guys connected, what was the conversation like behind scenes?

So yeah, I mean, basically I would I so have a background sense is so I would read about

different supplements and cancer and I was like, John, what do you know at this? Is this true? It's not true. That's actually how we, you know, find out about the I found out about the good molecule in broccoli called sulforophane that basically John actually grew more as cancer cells and is in our lab and we put 60 different supplements on him to see what killed her type of cancer and the sulforophane was number three in killing her type of cancer. So went out to buy it,

couldn't find it because it didn't exist because all the broccoli supplements on the market are the prescursion molecule called glycograph and so it's like, you know, we ended up just growing a lot of broccoli sprouts for years and at the time I had one in three-year-old boys and, you know, so you're caring for them. We were growing like enough broccoli sprouts for like the joke. It's like 10 families because it was like an operation and we were juicing him every day and

and I'm like, you know, if in the summer, sometimes they get moldy, sometimes if you're traveling, you can't take him with you. So kind of John and I read lunch and I was like, kind of mind of faculty. I was like, it'd be really nice if there is a stable form of this. So that's the issue. If you basically try to harness the sulforophane, it degrades quickly. So how did you know John

“to take the cancer cell put it under a microscope and look to see what could fight it?”

I did that with my wife's cells when this is all 10 years shifted. So probably my background that would help is, I've been in a lab forever. So my life lasts 35 years and so it'll let me out very often. So this is a nice, nice break for me. I just can't. But so I have a really broad background.

analytical chemist by training and so I've been in a lot of different places developing tests.

“And so during my postdoc, I studied metastatic cancer and then right when I, I would say it was”

the height of my scientific career, you know, made national news in a couple of papers and things like

that found the first metastas professor for bladder cancer and right at that time my wife got cancer.

And so I'm doing all this genetic manipulation things and I had to, you know, step back and say, what can I really do to help my wife? You know, I don't have access to genetic modification of my wife, which is probably pretty glad I don't have that. But so natural compounds were, were what I focused on and just went crazy reading everything on it and matching the pathways they already knew about cancer and and and then came up with the idea to grow the actual cancer

cells and and so for the longest time we did that trying to start a company. So I'm able to grab cancer cells from in a person's blood and put them in a cultured tissue and grow them. What kind of pushback do you guys get from the medical community when you come to them and you say that broccoli sprouts is something that helps fight cancer? Yeah, I mean, you know, the general training for an doctor on nutrition is like something like 30 minutes of their whole for your medical

school and and furthermore they're kind of condition that supplements or the enemy. They're worthless and and so but you know, so for a faint was discovered up at Johns Hopkins and they have a whole chemo-productive center there that's based around this molecule and they have a broccoli sprout growing used to actually up until about five years ago broccoli sprout growing just operation for all this research. So there are 2,000 research papers on the molecule. So that one is a bit more

it's you know a bit more efficacious than a lot but yeah by and large people are like you're crazy. You know it's funny we don't we've done this show for a long time and whenever we have doctors on and we talk about this man many doctors that I guess would come on this show discuss what you just said they say you know you go to medical school or you go through and you don't get a lot of nutritional background or training and so this show has been labeled in the years if we

you know if once in a while we get bad press which is almost never but it'll see people say like woo woo

but I say you know like we have real doctors and medical experts come on and say some of this medical training they get does not incorporate some of the things we're talking about from nutritional supplemental stamp but it's just you kind of jump into all the other things and I would wonder Dr. John from your perspective you know we've had doctors right in and have problems when we have this discussion but how what you would say to your colleagues yeah so the jump that everybody

has is from you know the type of research that's out there so if you have a cancer cell group

“from a person it holds on to its genetic status and I think that the toughest thing that people”

run into is that it's very difficult to get any kind of a clinical study done with the natural compound on something like that so there isn't the placebo controlled trial where a doctor is used to looking to find out yes this is legit and why is that hard to to get done there's no funding who's funding because it's natural is it's natural there's there's no money you you I you mentioned something that you said that when you put the cancer cell under the microscope it was number three

correct what was number one and two the two the top two things they killed Mars cancer were a vitamin C was number one and curcum and so they could molecule from true to Mac. How come everyone can't put their cancer cell underneath a microscope and look what would cure it?

“I think that that study's been done so many times that you don't have to do it again like”

when you take a cancer cell and you you get the concentration of vitamin C above a certain

level you know close to one million more it's really high um that cancer cell dies and

and a normal cell that's right next to it and in the dish doesn't it's like the most selective cancer killing molecule ever in history just whether you can get that concentration to the cell that's the that's the skinny of it is funny what's the that's amazing didn't even try

the pathway pathways that they're known to to activate so if you get it to that concentration it

“does that thing so from everything you've learned and the you guys have discovered I think a lot of”

people are wondering like what are the main contributors to cancer or what are the life the main life stuff I was a genetic is it is it lifestyle is it what you're eating is it where you live you know like there's I think so many people are so scared of cancer because they don't quite know what we have high ideas like you know like if you bad foods or but other certain things you guys have discovered that make somebody more likely to get cancer prepared to others and it's I think

it's pretty simple I mean that you can look at it the flip side right um how instead of like what causes cancer what like what how do you just maintain your health and I mean I didn't come up with this saying but I use it frequently as exercises king nutrition is queen together you have a kingdom and if you're exercising you know regularly vigorously card some cardio some high intensity interval training some resistance you know training and then you're eating

well then it's it's not it's not it's not magic you know I do get asked like what it what's the top food you suggest avoiding and you know but just without a without a hesitation it's high fructose corn syrup so it's the corn that's genetically modified trucey browned up in that active ingredient in the round-up is glyphosate which is just awful and you know a lot of genetically basically all the genetically modified foods corn soy

canola those have just very small trace amounts of the glyphosate and it's not much but because it's everywhere it's in most it's basically in every process food oh it's one version of those then you're just getting microdosed constantly and that can build up and cause issues.

what I found too by having someone on the podcast is that glyphosicate I always forget

glyphosate it's it's on all oatmeal too so that's a really tricky one because you know you

“think oh oatmeal it's it's safe it's healthy I've found only one brand I think it's called 1%”

and it's the only oatmeal that I have found that's not sprayed with it it's really scary because you've oatmeal cookies oatmeal for breakfast oatmeal everywhere it's really wild yeah and if you get organic they bite by definition of organic can't spray but we had a woman on here early before you guys came in that works with farmers and farmers you're saying the problem is sometimes the organic farmers next to a non-organic oh yeah the wind blows and then all of a sudden it's like oh my god

so it's just you know it's we again like we we talk about these things all the time I think the general the average consumer the average person of society it's really frustrating and scary because you are trying to do the thing and then you hear something like that and you're like well does this even all make a difference and so I guess from both of your perspective what are things that people can do to make sure that they're not exposing themselves to these things

“I think the at least the way I explain it to people anybody that's it's not in front of me the”

the cancer causing duo is basically I use the example of Bruce Ames probably the most referenced

scientist in history he developed the Ames test carcinogenicity test so he can take compounds and and say what causes genetic mutation from that that's a carcinogen changes your genome basically so he studied that his whole life and and figured out you know all the carcinogens and that's that's a great thing we know a giant list of them and they're swimming and everything all the time so they're everywhere you think okay that's the cause of it well this unbelievable researcher Bruce Ames

later in life figured out that it was actually not only toxins it's also nutrient deficiencies so when you're missing a nutrient the cells react exactly the same way you're missing a piece of what's necessary for your machinery to work well and so it's the combination toxins mess up the machinery directly use up extra nutrients to to buttress the cell and then you get a nutrient deficiency and both of them together cause genomic instability which is the driving force for cancer

when you both look back on your wife's journey do you both think that you know the reason that they got their breast cancers or is that too hard to diagnose yeah I mean I so you don't know

known for getting breast cancer cause of melatonin issues so that's one so you're not exposed to the

“son like a normal person and you're circadian rhythms off cause you awake yeah wow I've never thought”

of that you've done in shift workers as well shift worker yeah we want like with our company we

won't let we will never have a night shift wow because of that okay so you think that was one of

the reasons one of the reasons you know early on and so the other like another one is if they're the the breast is mashed that's known to cause I'm like checking my bra because the bra is too tight because the lymphatic system isn't getting the circulation around the breast because it's too tight yeah so she's the baby would be against the chest no honey bra so it could be it could be brought could be like there's a study in England where women actually got crushed

the breast that crushed through an accident with with the steering wheel and like a good amount of them unknowingly had like after they died had breast cancer like the years later um but Mara actually had um she had misseditis when she was breastfeeding and had me work on it to kind of get it unplugged and so there was some mashing there and I think I mean John would agree with this he talked about two things but I think stress stress is a huge cause of cancer in fact you know

no typically you're not born with cancer right and so you have um you could be physical stress it could be emotional stress that that that that play a part in expressing genes that would

otherwise be hidden when you say that's squishing the breast can cause breast cancer my first thought

“goes to a mammogram that's what a mammogram does and you're smile and a lot of people smile when I”

ask this question it's almost they give me a look like I'll tell you off air now I'll tell you right now I mean you know we could take the episode but um yeah a great alternative to that so basically mammogram you're you're a rate radiating which causes cancer you're crushing which just causes cancer okay um just to get an image you can get an image of your breast with an ultrasound all you have to do is ask and most people don't know that they can ask and and I guarantee you they'll look at

you like you have no idea they have no idea what you're talking about already dead I asked

oh I mean there's there's been a full like article on this show when we had somebody on who said

this very thing she was so wait so so so so when they look at you like you're crazy what do you say you say no I would like a ultrasound I do not want a mammogram and then they can keep it up and you keep it up and you win so why did they continue to do mammograms is that's swishing the breast if I'm a doctor's perspective what how does if if if if you can say that from a I guess a factual basis that we know these not a mammogram but from a squishing and a radiation

could like why does it why do we continue with those practices if another alternative exists

“that that is effective I mean it's it's more the ultrasound's price here um and you know I think”

also like um there is you know from a kind of a public health standpoint there is a point where it may make sense even with the risks but at a certain point it will and could be in their 40s certainly in the 50s it does not make sense to do that anymore from a cost benefit you get a benefit of the image but there's a cost because of those two risks do you think it's a little bit like this is the way we've done it so we're just gonna keep doing it this way because

this is the way we've done it and they do those those balancing studies where you you know risk versus prevention you know where you're you're promoting it by those two mechanisms and a long time ago I would say the data was much more clear because if you did 10 mammograms then you you cross that threshold that's the general general idea and so for people that were really worried they're doing it very often and and you cross that threshold and then it increases your

chance of breast cancer but I would say that the good the good news is that the amount of radiation going into a mammogram and the detectors have improved dramatically and so now that's nice there it's improved yeah you know I don't know if you guys saw the news of a James Vanderbrike keep passed today um he's been battling cancer young guy didn't know that I saw that he passed it in a way terrible and what what some people were saying is that nowadays they're starting to say

for men recommending giving colonoscopies or or looking earlier and I don't know this is a new subject for you but from what you've learned about cancer do you agree with that or do you think people should check earlier or do you think or should they do a whole set of norms of the minds and

the time and private conversations you want to show people what it seems like if something's dormant

“and you go and disrupt it and you move it around and you squish it and you move it and you manipulate it”

that doesn't seem it seems like hitting a uh bees nest yeah I mean if you you know if you don't want to colonoscopy there are other ways to go about five figure out if you have a colon cancer now you can have your feces examin now and that's highly highly accurate you can do a blood test now as well the function function health let tests they have a cancer option we've had doctor mark on this and the show doctor John what when you look back at your wife

journey was there things that you think caused her breast cancer I think that comes to mind for me is that there were there were quite a few things in her life that were very stressful including me and so I take self-awareness yeah I take a little bit of credit there but I would say that

“when when you're talking about all those things that you have to keep in mind in order to avoid it”

that wasn't on our mind so she taught it up prep school in eight you know the food that they produced for the whole time before before she had cancer so that was 15 years or so 17 years of you know that type of food where she didn't get to make a choice about her food choices and and then stress on top of that being a very go get her type person you know she was top of her

class and always go go go go there's a teacher as well super stressful so I definitely agree

with the stress component and I think the the connection to stress a lot of people don't realize is how much downstream effect that has like stress releases cortisol one of the many stress hormones and but then that raises blood glucose so then your blood glucose ends up being a toxin so your your blood glucose being high causes these things called advanced glycation and products and so you're doing the same thing that radiation would do it's randomly

“damaging things and so that's why you want your insulin low you want your blood glucose low”

and especially at night before you go to bed because if you eat right before you go to bed your blood glucose will go high melatonin turns off your insulin and that that high blood glucose just sits in your blood all night glycating so it's another reason you don't want to eat close to bedtime right or if you do take I mean because sometimes you can't help it right so we have a berbering product that specifically we're like take to a night because so it deals with in case

you eat late but berbering does also great for sleep there's a paper at how berbering that performs volume as a sleep at I also have heard that berbering berbering has similarities to a GLP one yeah they the social media loves to say berine as natures as Olympic which I guess it depends on the day whether we agree with that or not but today I'd say yeah sure we'll agree with it how is it natures ozambic yeah and so yeah music so this one

without getting too technical is berbering is known to induce GLP one which is the hormone that does the satiety piece for for you know blocking your eating so it slows down digestion slightly so berbering the easy way to understand what berbering is it's a it's a fasting mimic and so when you fast GLP one goes up same with taking berbering they're kind of you can look at up the same way I'm not sure if you've ever done this but when you fast for a while

you stop getting hungry that's part of that that not natural process where you you just stop wanting to eat and the the whole business behind the the drug versions of that they're fantastic

for people that are very much overweight need to lose a lot of weight you know we would never

go against you know a person's choice to do that but when when you do that very large percentage of people have digestive problems and a lot of that comes from gastropreeces which is the slowing of the emptying of your stomach so you feel full because you eat and it just sits there so and then it slows down your gut motility as well so the moving of food along your elementary canal changes as well and the reason why it does it so strongly is because it's a drug

it goes to it goes to your brain basically and initiates all of those downstream effects and

or a piano you want to play you want to play a beautiful piece where there's a lot of strings

“being played and there's resonance and they're readjusting with each other and often when you”

intercede with something that's like a GLP one agonist that stays on it goes on stays on forever it's like playing the piano with a hammer and so it's not pretty it gets to job done it does what it's supposed to do but it's not how you're supposed to be interacting with your endocrine system so for the average person that maybe just wants to lose a little bit of weight or tighten up instead of jumping to that you could jump into something like this and achieve

some of the same effects that that drug is in but without going straight to the brain and taking

to your words a hammer to it you could go you could take a more natural approach to that same kind

of GLP one production exactly yeah I mean the the other issue with GLP ones again they they work

“for a lot of people but there's the muscle wasting side of it and so you know one of our”

partners is an MD and he has he was like guys let's develop a GLP one alternative not necessarily as a substitute but if people come off of a GLP one because they they get sick and they can't eat or let's say they lose their insurance and his expense is expensive you know having an option and so we we came up with one that has burbrain for that reason but it also has green tea extract that call EGCG and that turns off your hunger hormone growing and so you have the same

a satiety issue or effect as GLP ones but instead of maybe not being able to eat because your gut is full you're not hungry so you don't have like the incestant snacking but you can eat because your your gut's emptied and so on maybe you can touch about this about the minus stuff although so the biggest problem a lot of people at least health influencers have with GLP Agnes and is is that they make you lose muscle weight so that was the primary reason of

how we formulated it was milestone a lot of people know what myos statin is by the fact that there's these cows or dogs that look like Arnold Schwarzenegger they're just super muscular that's a myos statin knockout and so it's the way that you if you can inhibit myos statin in any way you make it easier to put on muscle and so one of the components in RGL perfect is called EC one of the sub components of green tea and it actually directly reduces the expression of

mouse statin so there's that angle and then burbrain itself increases a protein called full of statin which it then inhibits drickling hibits. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I want to take two right now. So my intention is that you could increase GLP one production naturally but also not trigger the

mass of muscle for shedding. Not it not just not trigger it. It's protective. It's not my first meal.

It says to take one with my first meal. Can I take one now? You can take two. Take two now. Okay. So interesting guys. Yes. So for somebody that is worried about losing muscle mass that they could take this and guard sure it's that and then still achieve the GLP one production that they're looking for. It's more like the the piano concerto where it's not a it's not a hammer it's it's cycling like GLP one. It's nice too. It's not like

a heavy pill. It just goes down real quick easy. Okay. So microplastics and invisible toxins are we living in the most toxic time ever or is this just what people are? Are we really swallowing a credit card a month? Yeah that's a great question. I'm hopefully not but some people certainly are. I mean I'd say I'd say it's it's it's a pretty easy yes as far as being the most toxic. You know and it depends on where you live right if you're in the city. Yeah if you know

your municipal water is shot filled with stuff and then if you're in the country and you're on a well maybe less but I mean you know microplastics are a huge issue that are everywhere. We just touched on the glyphosate, huge issue that's everywhere and you know they're they you know are big big problems. And so what do you guys think about in terms of guarding yourself or

“ridding yourself of these microplastics that we're exposed to what do you live in? Yeah I mean I think”

you know to just take a sit back you know micro what are microplastics they're micron kind of microscopic size plastic particles even nano size so even smaller that can be in your the liquidy drink they

through air. Oh wow I don't know that. Yeah and so you know see if you want to start thinking okay

what are some things I can do to mitigate to lessen microplastics exposure first thing would be

you know what are you are you microwaving your foods in plastic that heating of of the food that plastic can reach into the food so frozen dinner no no if you're if you have a reheating your dinner put it in a and a topware or a ceramic put it in metal reheated that way it's easy it takes a little bit more time but you're not going to get the same. Do you know what I did? What you don't even know this in my microwave I have a note the a post it that says don't even try it.

I can't go any one that opens that because you're not opening that it says don't even try it. Big microwave guy. Good. I don't don't even try it in our new house I'm taking the microwave out of the house. Well the question is like you know I think we you know we jumped into these easy convenient they we've done that with a lot of different human technology. But to your point you can achieve the same result maybe not is quickly but with the same effect and maybe a healthier way with

other and he cooking methods. And in heating yeah but I mean there are things like do you know that like those shiny tea bags that are like the pyramids? Yep so those are made of nylon and those just

one tea bag one drink can reach up to 2 billion microplast. This is why I use peak tea code skinny.

I use my ginger peaked tea you just open it at the top and pour it in and then I also have there's leaves right? No you just it's like it's all squished up. There's a thing it doesn't sit in

“the right now you just pour it in and it's you're so right you really you have to be I think”

your own like investigator even in the baby bottles I was looking at my son's bottle it's glass but there's a plastic thing in it that he's drinking every day and when that heats up because we heat his bottle. Yep I'm like wait that's heating up the plastic thing so now I'm like I told my nanny I'm like please just just do it room temperature and that's what Michael and I are going

to do too is room temperature because it's you really just have to look at every little thing

you're doing on a daily basis. Yeah I mean we just another great example we're at a hotel and there's a plastic water bottle next to the coffee maker which has a plastic pod which has paper cups which is good right but those paper clubs are lined with plastic and so just the simple idea of drinking a coffee you're getting three different exposures and then you put the straw in the hot coffee and you drink it out of the straw I mean it's it's on and on and on yeah I

think that that you do have to take a self-inventory though you can't expect other people to do it for you because clearly that's not happening you just look at your own habits. So this topic is

“obviously becoming more prominent and I think more it's being received now in a different way but”

you know when we started kind of having people on and talking about these subjects four or five six years ago you catch a lot of flock or you guys start into see people and I guess the medical community scientific community be more open to this perspective because I'll just tell you like you know we when when I say when I'm joking about press like I would say even the mainstream media sometimes when you say things like this you get these kind of like bad articles or bad headlines and like

oh you're fear mongering or you know this or that or woo woo no science and so I wonder how you guys respond to that now as this conversation become more prominent. Yeah and from my perspective when you you pull all those pieces together and then knowing what it how it works inside your body I'm pretty confident I could scare just about anybody about them being inside your inside your body and pretty convincingly even though it's a new subject so the way I usually

start talking about this is that you know a long time ago everything started being made from plastic great and they said it would last forever and then now we know it doesn't like anybody that has put some plastic outside you see it the grades so the plasticizers that are in the plastic

“used to be thought of that's what the bad stuff is there's ended endocrine disruptors in there”

and all kinds of things like that but as that as those plasticizers that make the plastic soft leave they become brittle so anything wind abrasion time they become smaller and smaller and to the point where the whole crust of the earth is covered with microplastics and so you stir that up breathe it in gets in your food gets in your water it's it's sort of everywhere so you

that is where's the where's the first one highest dose that's coming around if you're

if you're outside it's not that high if you're indoors the indoor microplastics is the biggest

“problem so getting a happy filter in your air especially where you sleep is the most important”

thing should be the first thing you do and then and then your water what's the best water water is you know our water has no microplastics in it all and so you just think about reverse osmosis filter I'd like one of those what's the best brand they're they're a number of good one I would just outsource this filter on the house we do you even know that no man that's good you're brandy yeah I don't know it's got it's one of those big it's like out on the we did we did the

whole thing well so we did we get to we have the privilege of talking to people like yourself and I and I feel like we take little chunks so we had a person who builds air filters they mic to nothing but you know mic for Jasper so he's been on we talk we have a guy that does nothing but test homes and he tests the air and the other filters we have you know the water

“guy like the paint like even non-toxic paints and so you you kind of pick up these things along”

the way and the way that I look at it now because I was a skeptic for sure like I grew up in the

typical 90s household with all of the the cleaning lines yeah they basically got sprayed in the

phase of Windex before school time to run but frozen dinners over time you start to look at these things you're like okay I I have not been able to see the downside in making these swaps like yeah what's the harm in having a grating our filter why would you not want to clean events I would you notice that your nervous system is more relaxed since making the swaps you have to admit it of course I mean even the cleaning supplies in our house now we use this

company called branch basics and you know things like that but every idea he just said is my idea that I've manipulated him to sure but it's that's that's beauty but it's it's it's it's idea from and what I what I tell people is it's not like I'm not scared of the air and I'm not scared of living but it's this cumulative effect and so if you can remove all of these things and slowly start to add

“in better alternatives it's just the way I think about it is like you're just at such a greater advantage”

than someone who's maybe not doing those things absolutely yeah and I think it's you know you look at just again public health the puberty age of girls has gone down you know it's they're a lot younger and and for boys it's older you know and and it has to do with the fact that people have these micro plastics you can't get rid of them historically and you know that the micro plastics aren't inert they're like sponges so they have toxins in the micro

plastics and they could be it could be like the the plasticizers and probably a lot of them are they could be metals and so you know it let's say you you're backed up with these micro plastics and and the sponge has some of these estrogen mimicking compounds mean it's not it's not rocket science that if you know if you have all these estrogen mimicking compounds a lot of them in your body that it's sending signals hey it's time for a puberty when it

when it it's not actually and I look at it you know the the hormones are signaling compounds estrogen signaling compound it's like you're watching two TV shows on top of each other you can kind of see maybe what what the TV show is you can recognize some characters you're not going to know what the plot is you're not going to be able to understand it and so it's similar if when you have a body that's filled with micro plastics that's lead you know some of these

BPAs or estrogen mimicking compounds are leaching out that that there's this disruption I mean and women even I can you with a regular menstrual cycles you know it's another issue do you think over time future generations will there will adapt to these micro plastics and that our bodies will be able to know them or do you think over it's just gonna know because I mean

that what happens it is basically you ingest them they get through your gut lining they get

engulfed in this the it's a called the garbage disposal of the cell called the lysosome and the lysosomes are great at degrading just not plastics because they weren't designed to to grade plastics and so you get these build up of these lysosomes with micro plastics in it and so that was why like that last about a year ago we were talking about because our so far from products so good about detox we're like wonder if it's it would work with micro plastics and so before we could do anything

study and he showed that basically taking our form of sulforphane basically mobilized the

micro plastics in his blood and so he I think there's only one micro plastics blood tests it's Brian Johnson's test and he did that test and they said it was the highest blood micro plastics level that they they had ever measured up to that time and then you know a day later you know he did it and stages a day later this researcher test yeah yeah the guy who did the research and so you know it's being able to mobilize the micro plastics it's the first step to getting them out

and so when you mobilize and this may sound like a very dumb question where do they mobilize to and how do they come out so that that series of of events is is not to get into the

weeds of how it does it but basically sulf so far it turns on a switch it's known to to be this

thing called mucolipin that makes the the lysosome fuse with the membrane of the cell and then

“it just dumps its whole contents out into outside of the cell so the only way to move that then”

is lymphatics so you can imagine what then gets that out of you know the tissue and into the circulation and so from there it's still a mystery where where it leaves in urine species or skin and so that's still unknown but is there anything you can do to support getting micro plastics out in a way that's like what's the most efficient way to get them out as far our um rock elite product is maybe not as well known about this but it has stabilized sulforphine in it but also has another

compound that called PEITC it's the active ingredient in water crust and so those two together are synergistic and so they actually make a bigger punch than than just sulforphine alone even though that has a lot of punch but um so we think that it's that combination that is actually mobilizing

that that plastic and getting it out of the cell so that's the first step and then um I usually

talk about uh you want to do a one two punch for the cell itself before you get into the to the how you get rid of it from your body this is the second one is reverse risk veritral so we have a really high bi-available risk veritral and the analogy there is that it's like upgrading your sewage system it's like making bigger pipes it's making a bigger toilet it may maybe a professional flush kind of thing and so so for a thing gets it out of the cell um and because it's it's

it's a it's a moving system um it's accumulating there especially as you get older because those

“lysosomes aren't as as prominent um so you have to do both you have to make more lysosomes you”

have to make them bigger and stronger and you have to move them more so when uh a cell gobbles up a microplastic you want better plumbing to get rid of it um to get rid of everything else because when you when you plug it up with a microplastic all these things that it's very easy to scare someone but basically the misfolded proteins that are normally degraded by that um are stopped and so Alzheimer's is a misfolded protein problem um and even worse than that these misfolded

proteins instead of going into the into the lysosome and getting degraded is shuddled out another system called exosomes and so those misfolded proteins are being shed out in a way that they can infect trans sex other cells so it's a it's a really bad problem and so the one too punch of his retrol and so for if he gets it mobilized and then so if we were if for us personally and for our audience viewers and listeners if we were to come to you it's okay we're we want to do

this detox protocol with your products what is the timeline and I guess what you guys would advise us to do like I came to it so camera did a start this due to is this a thing you take for a couple weeks couple months is a couple days and what will we notice and and how are we going to set ourselves up with the most success if we wanted to do this detox then the second part of that and this is a caveat is is there any downside for just doing this even if you just like just for anyone

to do it like you just jump in and even if you weren't worried about heavy metals yeah I mean so

“the first step would be mitigation so you actually you have to decrease your exposure right because”

John what John said if you're if you're bringing in more than you're excreting then you're still behind and so drink your water get your air filter those you know those will be two steps

and then you know take the the broccoli at the visitor elite do lymphatic drainage you could just do a

rebounder you could just walk I have a dry brush yeah we want my weird devices that I just got in ice shake on a vibrating plate every morning here in the plates power plate so what I'm okay so but if I'm taking your product yeah what's the protocol to get started yeah and so protocol be lifestyle clean up your lifestyle and then you can just you know

“we haven't honed in on the exact measurement but like this guy took I think a hundred milligrams”

our daily dose suggested is 10 is like it that you know that would probably do it so two capsules a day of of the the broccoli two capsules a day of the reservoir elite would be you could do that for a week and you'd have be well in your way again and what will you feel once you do have you I'm sure you guys have done what look what do kind of notice I mean I haven't like satin been like oh you know I have less estrogen mimics in my body so there's no like

there's no you don't get like sick or feel like here you know it's the beauty of the sulforphane is actually works in all three phases of detox so basically the detox flu that you get when you get sick is and this is most of the detox programs are just heavy they're just pulling the like putting the metal the pedal on the metal to phase one and so you're mobilizing all these toxins but you can't get him out of your body and so it's yeah you're get sick and so broccoli actually

the sulfur fain it actually slows that first phase of detox and it's the best phase two detox fire of any natural compounds so it speeds that up and then step three is excretion is there side effects of taking this you you you want to know if he's gonna shit his pants oh no I just want to

know like as you're going you know like for example like if you apply always want to know that

to be honest but if I'm just asking like is there is there can you overdo it yeah don't so yes to know no you can't it's not like if you take too many adville it's gonna hit and that in fact it's it's they're protective on of your kidneys right and so that so that you can't overdose that way about 10% of people who take it especially early on can you have a little nauseous

“so that's why we suggest taking it with food I think that there may be some issues you know”

with your microbiome shifting and die off of bad bacteria so okay the reason I asked is we were talking about GOP ones and those things earlier and I think in some cases people can overdo these things oh yeah right and that's why I just ask yeah I mean our our GOP perfect we used to be three hapses a day we dropped it to after I did my blood sugars typically under 100 and this one day I was 115 it took three capsules and just just sat I just sat and typed for two and a half hours

and it took it again in a 70 and like and I make that's a lot like that's to you know unless you're keto adapted and you can use ketones as fuel that that's enough to people could may pass maybe pass out and so yeah those are like the GOP perfect you don't want to just keep taking because you're likely the kids will drop I feel like I've gone to Harvard in this conversation oh yeah you know what's crazy is whenever I go to the farmers market I'm drawn to the

microgreen boosts and I always get the broccoli sprouts to put on my eggs but if I go and I buy these

sprouts can I just shove it in my mouth or is enough to put it just on your eggs oh yeah tune so two of our capsules is the equivalent of five pounds of mature broccoli oh my god do you guys are packing it all in which you will and then it's tunef pound ounces of sprouts the guy who's behind the booth is always trying to tell me all the medicinal benefits and I feel bad for him because everyone just walks by his booth because they think it's just like little decoration and it's too bad

I'm going to go to this guy I want to post him or something. Microgreens are superfoods so yeah superfoods are their nutrient dense. She just walks by the guy I spend a lot of time talking you do you do you're the one so think about eggs you're talking about eggs in your morning so that's that's a single food that can raise a whole organism so it has everything so it could be easy to think about that so a seed is the same thing it has everything in there to grow a plant

and so when you when you in the seed world there's a lot of things and seeds that

“inhibit you know it it from growing you have to start it from growing and that's why the”

issue with sprouting is that it inactivates a lot of anti nutrients in there and so

sustain all of all of life and growth it's it's for sure the most nutrient dense food you guys make a kid's version so we can sneak in because it's we have a we have a kid's version and

“in fact you should have can I have the kids version yeah it's you have it okay I haven't seen”

it's here in the soft you know what I always called a baby broccoli but it's actually children's

broccoli it's it's children's and so the issue is like John mentioned attaching the adding the P.E.I.T.C. from what across and that's basically one plus one equals five it's like a five times the fact and so some adults can't take it some kids can't take it and so we just have half that's amount of so far away and it's much more gentle and so that's the conversion and I think there's sticky fingers going on in the office it may be like well where's my I want I want my as Briv was there

of a Vava very I want that and I want I have my GLP one perfect or GLP.GL perfect I have that here she comes home and starts explaining all the stuff but she she pronounces it in the way and I so I get it but then you admitted on the show in front of everyone you are like oh she was right the vibrating

plate she was right the dry brush she was right the microgreens that the father's realized about her

is that she's just way more open to these conversations earlier than most people what we find creating this show especially like family members is there's a lot even to this day there's a lot of resistance around a lot of these subjects sure when it took me 20 years to convince my dad that diet coke was in fact not very good for him he's still but he's still got two doctors they're sitting here telling you he's a cancer cancer expert saying that this specific I just

planned Dr. and he would literally listen obviously you know you don't want to have too much fruit juice in the morning with the sugar but my dad would sit there and tell me for years that organic orange juice was worse for me than diet coke and we had to listen wow he's now

“backed off of but I think like a lot of that generation comes from you know they they're like well”

we've had these cleaning supplies and we've had these plastics and we've had these sugars and these these chemicals and it has a cause problems but I think that's that narrative is kind of breaking down a little bit now I have to say since you mentioned microgreens and farmers markets I had told my boys this was six years ago that before they got a cell phone or driver's license they had to have a profitable business and so they latched on to microgreens and started making

microgreens for restaurants in Charlottesville that's a really good idea and a great idea and so they had this thriving microgreens business for years they retired it last summer but settled the debate charging your phone in the room well I'm I'm EMF a selector magnet field sensitive so I like the reason I have a ordering is like I can't do the watches because I can do them for a day I can't do my rest hurts I can't put the phone up to my temple it hurts like now does that

mean you get cancer I mean it's not good for you that's for sure and going back to the idea of cancer and stress I'd say everyone's a little bit different as far as what stress they can I can clearly cannot take that stress did you see that thing do you follow Paul Saladino at all I know who he is so he just did this thing he's not a big so forth in Flint fan okay well regardless of that he did this he put this post up the other day that I guess the

San Francisco 49ers have like the most injuries of any NFL team but recently their stadium was moved next to some field where they have either cell towers electromagnetic and he says that they're like he's been a video out of it and I'm butchering it but I guess from like torn ACLs or blown Achilles like they are like 40% above the average of the entire NFL and they just move next

“so that's what he was saying like these things have an impact on our our tendons on our collagen and”

all these and so he was basically trying to make the correlation like they do not call the

average of what the other NFL teams do and their right their stadiums right now it's a provocative I think you're gonna see an influx of people that are using headphones with wires and I also think you are going to see marked my words in the next two years everyone is going to say charge your cell phone in the other room while you are sleeping I'm saying across the room I'm saying the other room and we will be doing that in our new house you can have cell phone helmet and

be fine so you can also get like what's called a ferritate cage so it can be like you know it's something you can put your cell phone in and so it's the issue it's like can we just leave it downstairs like do you need it no I put it you can actually I put it across the room yeah I think I'm going to take it out the room well wait what say don't get in middle of the yeah you can actually just wrap it in the limit of foil and it's fine it will it will mitigate

I'm in the yellow hat no you should watch it because there's like the brother in better call

Saul he like is in a full tin foil like shooting a whirlwind that's that's you're well you're going to be there in about a month that's you I just think we don't need the cell phone in the room put it down there yeah I do that fine you do that no okay my how will we get you're talking about

“stress you know I don't have to hear this it is just my stress and does he aren't as I think”

that's his last name from my love Lucy had separate beds we'll have separate bedrooms and you

can have your cell phone in yours and I'll have mine be so zen in peaceful no yeah well we're talking

I was saying we're just if stress is the number one thing like this we you know yeah there's a lot of ways you can do yeah I really enjoyed this conversation and I could have asked you guys a hundred more questions so please come back on the show you're both a plethora of information you guys gave us a code and that is for the next week you guys can get an exclusive 25 % off at m-a-a-dashlabs dot com slash skinny you can use code skinny check out and the

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and detox heavy metals and microplastics we can do it well with you we're gonna feel good with the broccoli it's so for me it's great for a skin as well super great for skin super great I would be bald if it went for broccoli because it does the deep down regulates the DHT which is the bad for a testosterone at least a balling so okay we could have a little bit that so this can I give you your hair and yeah your hair growth oh my god get your sticky paws out of my

style hair and it's great for super great for skin I mean we are actually we have a number of

“testimonials from not necessarily men but women in their 70s who are like the old ladies who”

blost their hair and they come back and they're like we love you so much you know Michael while you've been over at the pastrami sandwich booth at the farmers market and I've been talking to the guy with the microgreens and he's been saying why why can't I get anyone to come to my booth he should have a line at his booth because microgreens aren't he? he should put his booth to the pastrami sandwich now oh man have a hand that he has a condiment in the

combo yeah he detoxed the pastrami I hate to say it I told you so listen what do I know about how the one is but as a marketer and as someone building a business that guy should go next to the thing that you could put the thing on because yes from with just standing there with a bunch of microgreens is really okay but if it's any we're standing next to someone's like hey you could put this on this great sandwich or this great treat you're gonna go they're like oh that

makes sense yeah I'm just gonna take my moral abs five pounds of broccoli it's right five pounds in two capsules yes they equivalent of chief I want to start the protocol and report back awesome and he's do don't take mine thank you guys thank you great thanks for so much for having us it's been great yeah thank you