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When I was 15 years old, I smoked weed for the first time.
It put me in like a mini coma. In my mind, I knew what was going on, but in my body, I felt like I couldn't move. My whole body was so heavy, I couldn't move, I couldn't react to stuff. I was staying in the night with a friend of mine, and her brother, I was asleep in the bed, and her brother came in there, picked me up out of the bed, grabbed me into his room,
“and he pulled my pants down, and why he was pulling my pants down.”
I got my arms up, and I pushed his chest to push him off of me, and he didn't grab my wrist, he held my wrist down, and he took my virginity.
I was so flippin' scared, I was scared, I didn't, I had always in nixie mushrooms going
on, my mind was, she's broken, I just had my virginity taken from me. Shortly after that, he got in a relationship with somebody, and she would bully me at school, tell me I won't, I'm in, I didn't know how to take that, because she didn't even know what it happened, I'd walk around the whole school just to not go around her. If I'm being honest, the part of me feels like I'm being intrusive, broadcasting these parts
of Natalie's life, but I have to remind myself that she really wanted these stories to be heard, posting these videos online back in 2019. For her, there was a purpose to it all, the trauma Natalie experienced at such a young age, which shaped the rest of her life, it would heavily influence every decision she was yet to make, but for the young Natalie Jones, the trauma just kept coming.
I met Brian, which is Trent's daddy, and I fell in love for the first time, as who
I say I lost my virginity to, I found out that I was pregnant before it turned 16, and I knew Bond didn't love me, I knew what day he would leave me, but I loved you. Brian left me while I was seven months pregnant, he came home, he got his stuff and he left, I'm on with the jail, I quit school, I was just a 16 year old girl with a baby, all by myself.
To fully understand why Natalie was sharing these things on public platforms is to try and figure out what she thought she might accomplish in doing so. She stated several times she wanted to help others with her story, so maybe as much as this story is an investigation into what really happened to her. Perhaps it's also a cautionary tale, and while many tragic events in her life were completely
out of her control, maybe Natalie was urging us to avoid making some of the same mistakes she did make, mistakes that might have contributed in some way to her death. I'm Sean Kate, from AudioChuck and Particle Interting, this is the truth about Natalie.
I think that you have to address the elephant in the room.
There are many women nowadays that are doing only fans and stuff like that for income.
I don't knock the hustle, do you?
“Live your life, if you need to strip and bank, do your thing, but with Natalie and I think”
it's really important to go all the way back to the beginning for me, because during the beginning we heard those rumors that she's a cam girl, she's escorting, she's doing this, doing that, and we didn't really find, we didn't find her anywhere. I got on only fans, we had a whole group of people that were signing up for these websites. We heard she's a cam girl, she's doing stuff on cam, like I found no trace of her anywhere.
After initially hearing rumors and attempting to find online adult profiles owned by Natalie to confirm or deny them, one of Natalie's fiercest advocates, Jennifer, tells me she eventually realized they just weren't looking in the right places. Natalie wasn't only fans or some adult webcam site, but she was escorting, though on a
very specific kind of site, they did eventually find her profiles, multiple profiles and
back page ads, Natalie was looking for a sugar daddy. So the interesting thing about the two websites that she was utilizing for these listings that we have found in the were also in the case file was secret benefits was one, there was sugar daddy for me.com.
“One of them was she was advertising out of Atlanta, again, like her profile on both of these”
sites, it was very mild, her bio and stuff that was posted was not like something like an established escort would post, like that knows the hustle that knows how to like lean into that profession, I didn't get those files from from that. She was looking for someone that could take care of her, like I kind of dethrue definition of like a sugar daddy, like she wanted that male attention.
The other website that she was using was it was advertising herself out of the Gulf
Shores area, like Mobile, Alabama, Pensacola, all of that.
When police extensively searched through data and her phone records, they found evidence that she had been communicating with numerous men from these sites located outside of Georgia in those last few days leading up to her disappearance. Her phone calls and texts with several of these same numbers late on the night of July 4th into the early hours of July 5th.
Natalie wasn't communicating with anyone local from the Atlanta Metro area that we're aware of, but a Gulf Shores Alabama area profile was very active.
“It was through this profile for whatever reason that she met most of the men connected”
to those out of state numbers. Natalie had briefly moved to the Gulf Shores area only to return just months before her disappearance. It was a surprise to everyone in her circle. Even her mother Elaine is close as they were. She said, "Mom, I'm moving.
I didn't go anywhere. This was in February." She said, "I'm moving to the beach. I'm back in Panama City Beach. I smelly, you can't go to town.
You can't go to Florida. It wasn't a beach. You don't know nobody. You ain't got a job. You know that.
These was mama's thoughts." And she said, "Who said, Panama City." And so, "Come March." She said, "Will you help me go to my storage and get my stuff loaded?" I mean, she had a little bit of furniture in there, you know, because I mean, she had the
bedroom seat and stuff at my house. And I said, "Yeah, where are you going?" She said, "Mom, I'm moving to the beach." These plans of Natalie seemed to come out of nowhere, and she apparently had already made her mind up, but there was no explanation for why she was leading so quickly.
And she planned to do a better kids or how she was going to support herself once the little money she had ran out. It was shocking and concerning for a lean. I said, "Nadly, baby, you can't do this. This ain't life.
Why are you got to live life? You ain't got one lot to live. You got to live it. Be happy." And she said, "I pray one day I will see you happy."
Because she's just seeing me and some messed up stuff too. So we met out there at the storage thing. And she said, "I need every bit of this to go to the back of the view hall." I said, "Okay." I mean, you've only got this little baby door, you know, the little size of the storage
you can get. That's what she had. I went nothing in there, but, you know, whatever.
I said, "Well, you saved this breast as big old part for.
She said, "My car." I said, "I'm driving the you all down there with my car and I can return it down there. After I unload my car and my stuff, I got an apartment. Man, I don't know how that even came up. She got her income taxes and she moved."
This might have been the first time Elaine began to think that something was going on in Natalie's life that she couldn't explain or understand.
Natalie was always secretive.
And while it wasn't out of the norm for her to take a trip for a few days here and there, this felt different. It felt panicked. She somehow managed to get her car into the back of a standard you haul box truck with
“a rest of her belongings, was she trying to conceal it?”
Was she running away from something? Trying to disappear. No one has been able to understand or explain how Natalie was able to rent an apartment without any proof of steady employment or income. How has she got this apartment?
She'll have no background. She'll have no income, no, not that way you can check a background in your profile on apartment. You all can say in. But it's the relationships she made during her short staying golf shores that were now
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you listen to podcasts. We had been communicating via text mostly on the evening hours of the fourth, with multiple men, some of whom she met off of Sugar Daddy sites, or she connected with. I should say off of Sugar Daddy sites. The one man will call him Mr. B. I would say he was the main person that Natalie was
communicating with over the past, from July 2nd up until the fourth. This man lives in Virginia. He works for the federal government, and in these texts back and forth with Natalie, there was just some banter back and forth. There was some sexting, if you will, flirtatious back and forth.
They were discussing the potential of a meet-up, and he had stated that he has a girlfriend,
“he has a kid, I think he even mentioned, and she knows, and is okay with it, maybe”
okay with it, something along those lines. Natalie seemed to be somewhat of an hustle note. As Jennifer mentioned, the text messages between Natalie and the man in Virginia, who
we are calling Mr. B, were if particular interest at first.
The two began chatting to get to know one another, sharing information about their lives, but these messages also included discussions of Natalie flying to the Baltimore, Washington area, as Lieutenant Boswell reflects. We do know that later on that evening that she did leave, and that she spoke to one of the people that she was communicating with out of Virginia.
She was conversing with him for a period of time. We know through the text messages and talking to him that he was trying to arrange a time for her to come and stay with him for a certain matter of finances that were taking place
Between him.
He tells me that even though it was not obvious that Natalie had made solid plans to leave
the state at the time she vanished, it was still concerning given the totality of what they began learning about Natalie and her private life. She had a very difficult lifestyle between that and the cell phone records, her internet searches, her internet activity with a couple of these dating sites, it was concerning.
“And really, when we looked into those, like in the very beginning, I think I probably”
called that guy from Virginia within days of getting the phone records. And another guy in Missouri, an older man in Missouri, I spoke to him shortly after that. And we talked about their conversations. And the guy in Missouri, I know that he was trying to hire her to come and live in his house for a while.
So that opened up a can of worms in a sense, not knowing if she might have met someone else, it did draw concern that she may have taken off with somebody. Boswell told me that Natalie was even scammed by a person she met on one of these sites. I know that she had been communicating with one guy, and he scammed her out of money. She went to the CVS and Hogan's, we only got a couple credit cards and sent him the information.
And next thing, you know, she is out that money, so she was communicating with a lot of people. And that aside from the local aspect of things, now you're talking other areas. This is a very common and easily detected scan that Boswell's talking about. The people still fall for it every day.
“Someone tells you that you need to buy and activate a prepaid debit or gift card for them”
in the amount of $100 or $200, and give them the information from the card, at which time they will then load it with money for you. In Natalie's case, it was $7,000 she was being promised in exchange for escorting services. Reading through the texts, I couldn't help but say out loud several times, come on, Natalie. This is clearly a scam, but she fell for it and was out $700.
Money she didn't have to lose, which shows that Natalie was either goalable or desperate.
The one key thing, though, for us, that was before the report of her missing.
So there was no more cell phone activity after that. Though it doesn't appear as if she'd met up with any of the men she'd been talking to, leading up to or on the fourth, she had shared pictures of herself. And she'd sent pictures of one of her kids to at least one of these men. Share details about her private life, including her real name, and given at least one person,
a complete stranger she met online, her home address in Georgia, where she and Elaine were living. She was definitely oversharing. It was stuff that was not very smart. People that knew Natalie said that she never met a stranger, she was naive.
“But also, you have to balance that with the reality that she does suffer from mental illness”
and that could and probably did play a part in that. But it's like, why would you say that you live here or why would you send a photo of your kid? Not everyone has your best interest at heart. But to understand Natalie, you have to understand she was a different little bird. And she just didn't see things that way, which was just incredibly reckless on her part.
Like, I would never, ever do that, but that at least she didn't know any better.
So I can't, like, in her mind, like, I can't hate her for that. Could Natalie have somehow met up with one of these men that night? Someone she met online, could such an encounter have played a role in her death? It's unclear when Natalie first began creating online profiles like this. And really, there is no way to confirm that she ever actually met up with anyone she met online.
So, as you can imagine, that didn't give police a whole lot to work with and identifying a person of interest. Police interviewed several men who Natalie was communicating with, but none seemed to be able to provide any real information other than what was already learned from texts and emails. None of them really stood out as a suspect. Not even Mr. B, who we discovered worked for the Department of Homeland Security. Natalie texted him 15 times that night, far more than any other person.
The two even spoke on a call lasting over four minutes after she left the party, just before she crossed over the Georgia state line. His was the last number ever dialed by Natalie. But police didn't feel Mr. B knew anything of real value, other than providing them with her sugar daddy for me profile name. Initially solidifying that she was attempting to escort on that site.
I've listened to his conversations with investigator Boswell, and other than ...
I believe he didn't really know Natalie. He seemed to have no other connection to her other than through the site, numerous texts, and that one phone call.
“But if that is true, it does make what happened next of very bizarre coincidence.”
After she'd made her name known online as an amateur investigator in Natalie's case, loudly voicing the opinion that Natalie wasn't simply another tragic OD. Jennifer tells me that she began to notice strange things. I started noticing I was getting some very strange views on LinkedIn. Yeah, I know what you're probably thinking here, but just follow me. After all, we do live in a digital age. I'm a LinkedIn gold member, so that gives you a little bit more privilege to see like analytics of who's looking at your profile, like what companies are searching for you or how they found you, whether it's organically or they're plugging it in.
So I was noticing that there was an influx of views, not all at the same time, but periodically.
Some of those included someone, a technician at Northrop Crumman, someone with Virginia Police Department.
“When you're digging into cases like this, it definitely invokes a bit of paranoia, because you just don't know who these people are.”
But that wasn't the only strange anomaly she saw. People was direct ties to the Department of Defense, the NSA, private security outfits, active duty military and law enforcement were all scanning our LinkedIn profile around the same time. Eyes lingering from profiles mostly rooted in Virginia, the very ground Mr. B called home, and then the clincher. An invisible peak from inside the Department of Homeland Security itself, no name, no trace, then an unusual call comes in. After I connected with Stephen Ford, who is Natalie's ex that she was at the Lake House Woods on July 4,
he had reached out and called me one morning. I was awake getting ready for work when he called the number did not show up as his safe contact. It showed up as a woman, and that name I didn't recognize, it was a local number, I didn't recognize that. So I didn't answer and it went to voicemail and I continued to get ready for work. I saw that I had a voicemail and I listened to it and realized it was a voicemail from Stephen.
I went and googled the name and realized that this name, a unique name, belonged to a high-ranking former naval officer turned Department of Defense employee, and it freaked me out.
“A random fluke? Sure, it could be. Coincidence? Maybe. But you have to admit the timing was highly suspect.”
Was Jennifer right to freak out? She'd thrown herself front and center in Natalie's saga, questioning everything and digging into anyone with ties to Natalie. Was she just paranoid? Or was someone now digging into her? The hunter? Become the hunted? Regardless, she and other advocates for Natalie pushed on and kept digging. They found that from here, Natalie's story continued on into a darker place.
And to understand why Jennifer was so freaked out at random LinkedIn views or odd phone numbers showing up, I needed to dig into the people in Natalie's life. People close to her. People who could potentially have some motive or reason to want to harm her. Or for her to stop talking. People considered by many, even law enforcement initially as persons of interest in her disappearance.
People like Eric. Natalie's second husband. Yeah, Eric. Eric and her met online.
They started going out, saying each other, "Band, I want to get married." I said, "No, you know, that's two for two months." You know, I said, "I already don't like him. Mommy, you don't like nobody." It's just fully fast. But I said, "No, I know," Natalie, when somebody is going to treat you right and not trying to be controlling or whatever. Okay, they got married.
The relationship between Eric and Natalie was a whirlwind. They met on Facebook and began flirting with each other when Eric says, "He must look Natalie for someone else."
Less than three months later, they were married.
And she became pregnant with her second child on their honeymoon. She was 21.
“It seemed the fairy tale love that Natalie had always been chasing after had finally landed in her”
lap. But by the time Natalie disappeared, she was in a middle of a heated custody battle with Eric over their child Isaac. And things had become violent. The moment a body is found, the clock starts ticking. Forty-eight hours before the trail goes cold. From A&E in crime house, this is the official podcast from the famous True Crime series,
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investigation in depth with long-form storytelling built for your ears. Listen to and follow the first 48 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you listen to podcasts. I spoke with Eric not long after he was in a serious motorcycle accident. One had to be lifelighted from. Speaking in a thick southern draw, he seemed to quiet reserve kind of guy by nature. He was still recovering and a little nervous about being interviewed, so it can be a little
difficult at times to understand him. I'll help clarify where I needed. But he told me that despite
his feelings for Natalie, he never truly felt they were reciprocated.
She didn't love me. She didn't love me like I love her. She wanted what we could have. But next year she was a kid broken, and then she, when I got with her, she just had a spirit
“about her. But everything in her past did not, even I don't know what. You know what I mean?”
It's just stuff I found out as we was married, and she just take off, you know what I mean? What Eric paints is a portrait of someone material unpredictable, present in warm one second, cold and shut off the next. She said he's using her growing up and you know she didn't tell me how I would battle me at first, you know, but hers is her marriage went on and everything that would come out, you know, a little bit set of time, and she hurt. She started from a lot of things,
you know, in childhood. There's no she's going to have so many people with her story. After their kid came into the world, the relationships started unraveling. This rocky ride of breakups and make-ups until they finally split for good. Eric landed on the suspect list
“almost immediately. I'm still not even sure of exactly how she died. I mean I've been told several”
things, you know, I've been a suspect throughout this, so her family hasn't been able to really tell me anything, but I've just been accused. But it wasn't just because that's point fingers to partners first. In this situation, they were locked in that bitter tug of war over custody of their son. Eric relocated back to Alabama, just a stone's throw over the state line. And after the break-up, Natalie circled back to live again with Elaine. The times she and Eric did interact after
separating were a mix of peaceful hand-offs of Isaac from one to the other, and vicious clashes. The friction built until police became involved. Eric was arrested on charges of interfering with custody after refusing to drive their son back to Natalie and Georgia at the end of his time. But as he breaks it down for me, it boiled down to this. The boy himself resisted going back with his mother. Total unfollowing this comes safely when it's going, you know, I'm not only making
if you don't want to, he's a little, you know, he's barely on the top and he's five feet taller than probably going to get me locked me up. Child custody fights amid a crumbling marriage can spiral quickly into raw brutal territory that I put it to Eric straight up. Had their clashes ever crossed into physical violence, as both Elaine and Natalie herself had accused. I wasn't safe physical. I mean, they've called a lot of them
cooked down, you know, and they don't follow the day trying to take him from me and I'm covering him up, you know, and he, like, hit me in the back, and I just push him to door like
Air or something.
a yell, and I've never, I've never put my hands on her. He didn't kind of worry, but a door,
a door jam or something, yeah. Yeah, I've got her. I mean, she's hurt me a bunch of times, you know, me. Because I mean, I'm never hit woman full of no eye. I promise you. Yeah, if you missed some of that, he's just saying that the physical altercations were more him defending himself and his son from Natalie and Elaine when things got heated. But while in one breath, Eric says he'd never hurt Natalie, and he'd never hit a woman. In the next he eludes to
“pushing her into a door frame. So I think I'm probably not getting the full picture.”
But Elaine told me that the alleged abuse was not necessarily just physical. He was abusive towards him. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Manly physically, they had a pad relationship. She called me so many times to come pick her up. He'd put her outside the road. And then whenever she moved back in with me, he would come and visit Isaac and he couldn't take him. He'd have to stay there and visit. And she'd go to the bathroom and he'd throw him in the truck and
take off the Alabama. I mean, she has a draw of where she would just like put in there where she would go up into wood and just cry, you know, not understanding my life or life as the way it is. And you know, and what's in his side? Or is she kept it here behind a beautiful smile? In a journal entry dated May 16th, 2018, Natalie wrote, "I'm so tired of hurting." I just wish Eric would love me and care for me the way he says he does. He hates me.
He hates how I am, how I do things. My heart is breaking. I just want my family. He says he wants the same, but his actions show different. God, what am I supposed to do with the mental abuse? He says I don't love him. He won't let me. I do the best I can. I've stayed. He tells me to leave, then ask why did I come back. Just something else I've ruined. Gilt, please go away. Signed, broken, lonely. She wanted love. She was desperate for love.
She was desperate for what I family. Natalie wanted the classic American dream. The house, the white picket fence, the 2.3 kids. She wanted a family of her own. People to care about
and care about her. She was always searching for it, rushing towards it. As his evident
in the 2 marriages, she hastily entered into. But truthfully, though it might not have been exactly what she had envisioned, she already had family that loved her. She at least had her kids and a lean. Always kept a home for her. You know, she always had a run. And that was one of Eric's biggest problems. If she wouldn't have you to run back to, then maybe she would leave me. Like that.
“And I said, no, she's coming back to me because you are abusing her. I said, well, you need to be in jail.”
She was about to get full custody of Isaac. And Isaac, all that was taking place in August, and she came up missing in July. Natalie and Eric's relationship became a mess of resentment and control. Could the prospect of her winning custody of their son have driven him to the breaking point? Pushed him to actually want to hurt her. And that's the question that many close to Natalie were asking while she was missing. And there might have been solid ground for suspicion.
A flurry of tips came pouring into the police about Eric, detailing the harsh things he'd said about Natalie. To protect their anonymity, I've altered the voices in these recordings. Eric stopped by my apartment. We were just talking, and I had to admit that, how it took
him to get to that old building. They always had this, you know, all of the, you know, again,
I'll be into a moment with the relationship. He goes, "Oh, you know, that I just saw something down. Sometimes, I was like, "You're awesome, I know something." He said, "Then I'll say, I'll say,
“okay, I said, but I think what is it? That's the only thing that he said to me about my son."”
He said, "I'm a killer." And he said that, and I'm not saying that to you, but I said, "No, that's the only thing I can tell is what he told me." And he had the craziest look on his face and like you knew that. Then another call came in, where someone close to Eric had overheard him discussing Natalie, with another. I heard from an Eric talking about making Natalie disappear.
It was all the time.
She's not what we see. My kid is this and that and you know, they're in me. Yeah,
everybody was all the time. And now, here, all this time later, she was missing. They're crazy. They're absolutely at the same in thing. These are somebody. They're some something to her. Well, what we're doing is we're gathering information, but we don't have any authority yet to really do anything against anyone until Natalie shows up.
If Natalie shows up, I spoke with investigator Boswell about these kinds of calls and exactly how
law enforcement handles tips like this, which given the circumstances seemed at least worthy
“of exploration. I think we did do diligence. We went and verified where he was during that time”
that she came missing. And there wasn't any other indicator that would he, everybody that had contact with her like that. Yes, we're going to talk to him. And, you know, this is the thing. We will look into those folks, but I can't tell you how many times I'm in the years I've done this job. I've had angry husband, angry wife. I'm a killed that person. There has to be a lot more to it than that. It really does. I mean, anybody's possible,
anybody could do that, but there was nothing indicate that he had any, any hand in that particular process or that he had anything to do with her disappearance. Both the dads had custody of the kids with them. We were able to verify their allies. Boswell claims that Eric and Brian, the father
“of Natalie's first child, both had solid allies for the window and she vanished. Her and Brian”
were never married and though Natalie was married to another man before she met Eric, that was
short-lived and he was completely out of the picture. But in regard to Eric, Boswell is spot on. You can't arrest someone for a heated threat alone. Vasspat venom in the heat of rage, or even despair, words that cut deep or terrify others, but never leave blood on our hands. An Eric denies ever being physically abusive to Natalie, or knowing anything about how she died. So for now, I have to believe that neither of those exes had a hand in her disappearance,
nor in the mysterious end she met. But those were not the only men in the shadows of her life back then. There are others, men who refused to comment for this podcast, but have rejected the serious allegations against them. She started talking to Junior. She was sleeping with him for money. "He won't marry her, and she'd
“had told him that." She said, "I think of you as my best friend."”
"I just want a crossing my mind, you know, maybe sometimes maybe Junior could have been involved, because he couldn't get her. You know what I'm saying? And he didn't give her all his money." "Sorry, Ira. He's the star of the show!" If you talk about all the men in Natalie's life, like she did to them, what they taught her to do. Where's the route of that? It's Ira coming into her life at age 13.
"I think that Ira is a professional of what he does." If you understand predatory grooming, this is textbook 101. In my opinion, she had taken a video CD to win a attorney, and she had plans to expose Ira. Jonathan Lawrence, this politically connected tech ex, who she's about to testify against, like she's on the witness list. There's a lot of people that had motive to do something.
The truth about Natalie is an audio-chuck original, produced by particle entertainment. Ira and produced the series. Executive producer is Ashley Flowers. Additional research provided by community advocates for Natalie Jones, original music written and performed by Jackson Epley, and a special thanks to Elaine Gordon and her family. If you, or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence,
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