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Listen, your discretion is advised. I don't even know what I was doing, I just remember crying and being very, very scared. I didn't do it, numerous times.
I was a very little girl, and she never even told me she knew the story, but that day
for gave her, and that's where I'm going to stop tonight. Watching this video Natalie posted on social media, I can't help but wonder how much influence did trauma like this have on her as an adult? We know that trauma can shape a person, so could events like this have caused her to have an unhealthy warmth for love, for acceptance, for that ideal life she saw.
She looking for an easy way out of the marid life she was living by searching for a benefactor, while unknowingly putting herself in harm's way.
“Was Natalie's death the result of one colossal mistake after another?”
Was it truly an accident?
The things I've learned have made that hard to reconcile, and the things I was yet to learn have made it even harder. I'm Sean Kai, from audio chuck and particle entertainment. This is the truth about Natalie. Most of the men in Natalie's life that I've looked into have seemingly been enablers of
her behavior, if nothing else. Junior, giving her money while in love with her, all the while knowing she was with other men. Ira, who, according to Natalie herself, propositioned her when she was under age, and
“though she saw him as a father figure engaged in romantic relationship, and there's her”
ex-husband Eric, who had allegedly gotten physical with her throughout their custody battle. She's also stated in various ways that all of these men had screamed in her face during fits of rage multiple times, and she kept coming back. And again, all of these men have denied these claims. But there was another man in Natalie's life shortly before she went missing.
One, which she actually had documented evidence of physical abuse. That man is Jonathan, here's Jennifer, Natalie's most outspoken advocate. They dated, they had a whirlwind relationship from, I would say, June of 2019, and they broke it off. She broke up with him on December 28th of 2019 and left.
Jonathan's an interesting, I'm sure a psychologist would have a field day with him, but he's an interesting personality in that very alpha appearing very secure, but like, deep rooted, he's a insecure dude. So the relationship between Natalie and Jonathan ended in 2019, they continued to talk. He was sending regular, I love you, and I want you back emails and texts.
Jennifer shared Natalie's email account passwords and phone records with me, so I've read them all. Jonathan came from a pretty well-off family. He'd started a business that he was trying to get off the ground, Southern Sky-Fi. Along with a few investors, he was in the process of purchasing and building cell phone
towers in rural areas around her county. One of the documented incorporators, Lynn Westmoreland, served for years in the U.S. House of Representatives, and was the chair of the subcommittee on the NSA and cybersecurity.
Natalie also worked for Southern Sky-Fi when they were together, one of the s...
she ever had. After they split, the company stripped her of her role because she hadn't responded to Jonathan for 48 hours, citing failure a fiduciary duty, though she maintained a 5% stake in the company. Her mother Elaine tells me that their relationship was unhealthy almost from the start,
and it only got worse as time went on, resulting in Jonathan tracking and even stalking Natalie. Yeah, he's a tech guy, you know.
One day, this is right after she first met him, she met him at cops at a little store,
but he was standing there and I asked him where's Natalie at. He says she's about to pull up in about two minutes, and I said, "How do you know, she's going to pull up in two minutes?" He said, "Just trust me."
“And no one, she pulled up, and it's like, "How did you know, Beth?”
How did you know where my baby was at and how did you know, when she's going to pull us?" I don't like that, I don't like that at all. They said, "We're together, and we're going to know where each of us at." We do know that Jonathan was digitally keeping tabs on Natalie. Being intelligent and very tech savvy, he'd hacked into her emails before, and at one
point was having her private messages forwarded to his phone. It's believed that he may have even had a tracking device on her car at one point. When she moved briefly to golf shores in Alabama, she didn't tell Jonathan where she was living. He made sure she was aware that somehow he knew exactly where she was.
He even told her, "I have ears everywhere." He once showed up at her apartment there, and the two got into an altercation that left Natalie with a nasty bite mark on her own. Photos of the wounds were found on her phone.
“Jonathan once gave her a list of demands through email for them to be together.”
Things like, "You can't be out past a certain time, you're home every night, you can't have male friends, and your job is to cook, clean, and take care of the kids."
It was bizarre seeing how controlling he was, but when Natalie finally had enough and left
Jonathan after six months of dating, it was because she felt he was spiraling further and further into addiction. That's noted in communications between the two several times, and that addiction had seemingly spilled into Natalie as well for a time. Something very few knew until after she disappeared and all this came to light.
"I didn't like him here, I told Natalie, I said he does drugs, I said he stinks like somebody does drugs." Of course she said, "No, no, no, well, guess what, at the end of the relationship, he made her do drugs." Yep, it was math.
He forced her, he made her do it, he tied her up in the chair in his garage, he locked her up in the bathroom.
“He made her do it, he told me that, after everything was said and done, she said, "Mona,”
Jonathan made me try math." Several people have said that Natalie was using math around this time, 2019, though it doesn't appear it was a daily habit, it was more recreational, or as Elaine stated, sometimes even by force, or at least with heavy pressure from Jonathan. Jonathan had begun trafficking in selling math, and Elaine's former housemate, Ricky
and Warren, it tells me about the time he learned of this. It began when he and a young woman were both at Jonathan's house visiting. He asked if we wanted to ride to White's Bird with him. He was telling him a little, "Merry want, well, we go to White's Bird and she and that said in the car for about 30 minutes, where's talking, and he gets in the car and he backs up
and he stopped before we pulled off, he pulled that bag out to have at least an ounce or more, maybe two ounces of math. And I said, " Jonathan, I thought she would come and have to be a little wee little marijuana." And you come after this, I said, "If I'm not mad, I would not ride with you."
"All man is all right." And I said, "No, hell, it ain't over." It really, it literally, literally. The street value of an ounce of math in Georgia is around $800 to $1,500, according to the Department of Justice.
Ricky also tells me that Jonathan made a serious, veiled threat about Natalie directly to him shortly after she broke off their relationship. Some of the seven months before she went missing.
He said, "I'm going to make sure that Natalie will never see her here's again."
And I said, "What are you getting at? Wanted to say that? What do you mean by that?" he said, "I do." "You found that out." Ricky also told me that Jonathan was very interested in getting back Natalie's 5% stake
in his company.
She had a 5% of that and he would own the back, you know, be it from work for...
really.
“And he was just costly after, well, you know, getting that back from her.”
She knew that she had something good there if it ever started up.
The drugs are ultimately why she ended things with Jonathan.
The decision he apparently refused to accept, but Jonathan's troubles were just beginning. On being honest to him, he was being investigated by law enforcement since February of 2020. He was arrested in April for possession of more than 28 grams of math, a trafficking charge, and driving on a suspended license. He bonded out in June and was placed on probation requiring him to wear an ankle monitor.
One month later in July, he violated those conditions by allegedly offering $5,000 to have a witness, a man then dating his ex-wife killed. He was returned to custody. It was in that moment that a far darker dimension of Jonathan's character was revealed. Using serious questions about what he might truly be capable of.
“During his time of being incarcerated after Natalie vanished, law enforcement allegedly”
put a plant in with Jonathan. Jonathan had allegedly tried to take out a hit on the very investigator that was investigating him starting back in February of 2020. The moment a body is found, the clock starts ticking. Forty-eight hours before the trail goes cold.
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Maybe you could help solve a mystery. Search "Dateline Missing in America" to listen completely pretty or subscribe to "Dateline Premium" to unlock new episodes early. Days after Natalie vanished, Jonathan was arrested for breaking his bond terms. In August of 2020, while still incarcerated, a jailhouse informant told authorities that
“Jonathan had solicited the murder of a troop-county Georgia deputy, a key witness in his”
upcoming trial.
New developments in the case of a man accused of trying to kill a local deputy, a judge
just sent in Jonathan Lawrence to 35 years in prison investigators, say they found meth in his car in 2020, and that was in troop-county, and it made confessed that Lawrence had hired a hitman against a drug investigator, a jury found him guilty of conspiracy to commit malice murder. Evidence used in court included a map to the officer's home that Jonathan had allegedly
drawn for another inmate, Toby, who was to facilitate the murder, again, for $5,000. What Jonathan didn't know at the time was that Toby was working with investigators and was wearing a wire. I spoke with one of the jurors in that trial, Leslie died, but she filled me in on what transpired. So he's wired up, he says, "Hey, Jonathan, come here. I want to talk to you about what
we talked about a couple weeks ago." The law enforcement officer that he was accused of trying to have murder lived down the street from him. They lived in the same subdivision. We're shown this map, and there's the recording, and they play the recording while
Toby is on the witness stand. Toby says, "Well, I sat down with him. We were going to go over a map of the neighborhood to map everything out." Can hear them him saying, "Okay, what's this road? What's that road? Where does this go? Where does that go?"
Supposedly, Jonathan is drawing Toby this map to give to him. It's a map of their neighborhood. There are some vehicles. The police officers vehicles are listed on one of the houses, but there are also some other neighbors vehicles listed on their houses. Like, he tells them, "Hey, when you go on my neighborhood, don't do anything crazy. There's a guy on the corner that's like retired military. He might get alarmed,
whatever." So we know they're going to Jonathan's house, at least we know they're going to the neighborhood.
Leslie tells me about another and made the test to find his name was Clifford.
is brought in, finger casted, and one of the first things that they ask him is, "Beta why
“he's wearing a cast. He tells everyone that his finger had been cut off. There was his”
gang affiliation. He was the sole mate of Jonathan. Affiliated with the same gang, that Toby is affiliated with." According to Leslie, Clifford stated in court that his gang cut off his finger because he was testifying. So we're all a little in shock at this point. Like, this is something you see in the
movies this can't be for real. This makes you wonder who Jonathan was really involved with. I mean, that's a serious repercussion. But there was concern from the jury if Jonathan had been putting into this situation under questionable pretenses. They wondered if this was in trapmen. Toby was facing 38 years and prison himself. If he had not agreed to testify against Jonathan,
he had been in an hour prison already multiple times. Leslie also told me that at no point in the audio and video evidence presented in court,
“Did Jonathan specifically ask for the officer to be killed, murdered, taken out or anything else?”
It seems it was just implied, which caused speculation by the jury. In the end, he was found guilty of conspiracy to commit malice murder and, in addition to the drug charges,
was sentenced to over 30 years in prison. I wrote to him asking him to speak with me, but never
her back. But how does this all tie into Natalie? Well, when she and Jonathan were together, she was living with him in the same neighborhood as the officer who was investigating. The same officer he was allegedly trying to have killed. It made people wonder if Natalie had been approached by law enforcement in the same way that the inmates were, perhaps even asked to wear a wire. And during the trial, it came out. She was on the witness list. That's confirmed via
transcripts and court records, 100%. And so, if you put yourself in Jonathan's mindset,
“regardless of whether she had been approached or not, if you know that your life is on the line,”
and you're facing a multitude of charges, and perhaps Natalie could have been witness to certain things. She knew faces. She had over her conversations. Whether or not you know or are thought you knew that she had been approached to be a witness, that would, you know, instill fear, and anyone could that have instilled fear in Jonathan. As intriguing as this information is, Jonathan's ankle monitor placed him at a party 30 miles from the site where Natalie's remains were
later discovered. Yet the allegations that surfaced during his trial, they'd he had offered payment to have two people killed, asked a long shadow. Could Natalie, scheduled to testify against him, have met the same fate. No evidence confirms she was murdered, but at this point, how many coincidences and anomalies in this case could truly exist if there was no foul play involved. But there is someone else who raised questions after Natalie went missing. Someone whose name I've
heard far more than any other. Someone who was not a man in Natalie's life at all, but a sister, or rather a half-sister. Tabata was really the one who jumped in very quickly and got close to Elaine. She was constantly back and forth with the detective, and per Elaine, she's the one who told the detective that she's bipolar. She wanted to run away. She wanted to get away. She had just had a fight a couple
weeks before she vanished with her mom. Tabata had become one of the go-to people for Lieutenant Boswell regarding information on Natalie. As Elaine at the time was understandably distraught, and at times maybe even difficult. She was outspoken and media interviews and was online asking for help in locating Natalie. The two had been spending a lot of time together prior to her disappearance,
but it wasn't always that way. Elaine told me that growing up Natalie was shunned by her half-siblings
that they never really accepted her. But a month or so before she vanished, that seemed to change. That whole thing is weird to me because Tabata did not get close to Natalie up until about a month before she vanished and wanted to rebuild their sisterhood. Let's work out everything that was done. Let's go off to eat. Tabata moves five minutes, five to seven minutes away from Natalie
Elaine gets close, and then they start mirroring each other.
relationship of she gets 11,000 from Junior. Tabata gets the exact same amount from Ira.
“Different plots of land are not right next to each other. Tabata was still close to Ira at that”
point, despite what Natalie had accused him of, which seems odd considering how close these two women were or appeared to be. But I've heard from several people that it was a very recent and seemingly sudden reconnection between Natalie and Tabata. After Natalie came up missing, people began to question if Tabata's rekindling of their relationship was authentic. Ricky Warren told me his
views as he was close to Elaine through all of this. Well, they never really had a relationship until then.
She was there with the Natalie because Natalie was such a beautiful person inside now and Tabata had this really rough look. But when they found Natalie's body and people started coming together in the house, now that she would come back to every day, how can you be a sister and you say you bloke her? How can you always be smiling and laughing, joking here and all? And they just found your sister there? I'd heard claims of Tabata being jealous of Natalie. Natalie was attractive and
likable with a personality that lit up the room. I've also heard that Tabata was jealous of Natalie's relationship with Ira. Ricky wasn't the only one to have questioned her reaction to Natalie's death. Even I noticed during a video taped interview she gave while searching for Natalie, she seemed almost nervous, standing with her arms crossed in front of her, fidgeting, showing little emotion, a stark contrast to Elaine and her other sister Jessie who were standing next to her at the time.
“They were wrecked. Everyone deals with trauma differently though, so honestly that doesn't mean”
much on its own. But there was more that was called into question concerning Tabata. Natalie allegedly had plans to babysit Tabata's kids on July 5, but the only source we have for this information is from Tabata herself. There is no documentation other than Tabata, stating in her interview with law enforcement that she was supposed to come back the very next morning to babysit her kids. That's it. What I find really suspicious about that after
canvas saying all the text messages, there's no communications. There's a text messages between Tabata and Natalie to confirm this, nor to confirm Tabata's son's phone that went missing. Jennifer's right. At no point before it was discovered that Natalie went missing to Tabata text to say, "Hey my son left his phone in your car or have you seen his phone?" And there were no calls between them that night where it could have been discussed.
“So how do we know that Natalie had indeed planned on babysitting the day after the party?”
Elaine said Natalie never mentioned it to her. I also wondered since everyone also involved in
Natalie's life has provided an alibi that checked out what about Tabata. She stated to investigators that she was at work, but Boswell himself told me that police never contacted her work to verify that. A former coworker of Tabata stated that her work station was right next to hers, and their schedule was the same. Monday through Friday 7am to 4pm with the occasional Saturday. So if that's accurate, was Tabata really at work when Natalie vanished. But still,
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I wanted to speak with Tabata about the information I was hearing.
any story. She was incarcerated when I made my first attempt, writing her a letter, and when she was
released, I tried again. This time reaching her sister Jessica, who flat-out told me she will not speak to me, and that that side of Natalie's family is just ready to move on. But suspicion surrounding Tabata, whether it's her simply having more information about Natalie's disappearance than she's let on, or something far more sinister, continues. And the first time these suspicions arose came mere hours after she was last heard from. It was something she posted online as Jennifer tells me.
She's on Facebook later in the day, says she's been driving around all day, which is being out if you've been working all day, like, have you been off and looking for your sister
“or have you been working all day? There was a post. I think it said, "Man has has anybody seen my”
sister?" A slew of people started commenting underneath that Facebook post. A woman commented and said,
"Have you checked genius?" And she replied, "She's not there. I wrote by their last night, which would have been the fourth." I personally found it to be very strange that she said that she wrote by their referring to genius way out of the way in the middle of nowhere. On July 4th, after you take into the totality of it's the pandemic, she worked all day. One would think she went to go pick up her two kids after work. So it's like, why would you go all the way out there in the middle of nowhere?
What made you, like, what is your motive for going out to that area? You don't know junior? You're not friends with any of those people out there. It's not your crowd.
“I found it really weird. And then, how would you know she was missing?”
This red flag that caught Jennifer's eye also caught the attention of others. That statement is
concerning. Why would she have went by juniors looking for Natalie the night of the fourth when she wasn't yet reported or even known to be missing? But perhaps one of the most alarming things I've heard regarding Tabitha occurred weeks after Natalie was last seen. By that point, heard county investigators had enlisted the help of cadaver dogs to attempt to locate Natalie and they were preparing to search areas of interest. Tabitha visited Elaine at her home one night
with a request that seemed reasonable at the time. She was heavily medicated, distraught, you know, laid out on the couch essentially. Tabitha came up and she asked if she could get like a bag and go in Natalie's room and get some things because the dog search lady had requested those things. Elaine then goes on to say that, you know, she was so out of it. Clearly, that she thought she was going to go into the kitchen and grab like a public sort of target bag or something.
She ended up coming out with like a garbage bag full of stuff and left. Remember what Elaine said previously about this? I said, what all did you take? You know, I mean, I know what Natalie wore and I, oh, I just got a hairbrush. Now, this immediately struck me as odd when I heard it because I've actually worked with cadaver dogs before and I know a little bit about the process. In fact, I worked with and know the very same woman who, along with her dogs, searched for Natalie Jones.
So, who better to ask about this?
“Why, huh? Hey, Trace, how are you? I'm doing all of some, how are you doing?”
Uh, busy. Yeah, Trace's sergeant is like the go-to in the south for searches involving cadaver dogs. When a police department doesn't have them in house or needs additional assistance, she's extremely passionate about what she does and I think most in law enforcement in the south know her or have at least heard of her. When I reached out to her, she immediately remembered Natalie's case and her pink car. So, in Natalie's case, did you recall going to the
residence where she was living with her mother and the mother's roommate? And I recall, Natalie's sister, Khabitha, being there as well. We searched outside around the property and then inside around the property. I asked Tracey what the process was for retrieving sent articles from a missing person or known victim that the dogs can use to track. When we're involved in these investigations, because of each individual having a unique scent,
we, as K-non-handlers, will obtain a scent article of that person we're looking for ourselves,
Because we want to maintain the integrity of that article not only for invest...
but also for the dog itself. So, the dog is familiar with my scent that if by some chance I do get my scent on that article, the dog knows, okay, that's my handle or scent. I disregard that. So, generally, really without exception, if we are needing a sent article of someone that we're
looking for, we, as K-non-handlers, would always obtain those sent articles ourselves.
In just in case there was any question about this particular situation, I asked Tracey directly about Tabitha collecting things at her request. No, I would have not told Tabitha or anyone else to get a sent article or clothing or any items from the missing persons for us to use for the dogs to search for that person. Because that would potentially contaminate the the scent. Not only contaminate the scent, but as an investigator, myself, is that we have to approach these things
we don't know what's happened. We have a lot of questions and we want to maintain the integrity of that case at all times. No matter what.
“So, why would Tabitha go in Natalie's room really, if not for sent articles for the dog?”
What else could be of interest to her? I asked that question to Elaine. I don't know. I do know that a Trent told me that his mom had told him do not go in that closet because she had money saved up in there that they was going to, you know, get the place and live with. Trent told me that. And his mom said, "No, I ever go in with closet." Natalie had allegedly kept the shoe box full of cash that she was saving in her bedroom closet.
That shoe box and the money inside have never been located. I also wonder about the CD
with supposed evidence against Ira on it that Natalie had taken to an attorney. Could that have been hidden in her room as well? Could that be what was of interest knowing that Tabitha was close to Ira? And there's one more thing. When Jennifer and the rest of Natalie's advocates were meticulously pouring over the photos taken by the medical examiner, they spotted something. That's the blonde hair on the driver's side door. The group of people that were
canvassing the photos. And again, because when you're looking at it, especially photos, like you need as many people looking at things as possible. And one of those was one of our community advocates. And she had zoomed in on the driver's side door. On the driver's side exterior window, there is a, like, when I say blonde, like, it's bleach blonde. This wasn't like a darker blonde shade. This was a very light pigmented blonde. It was in an upside-down huge shape.
In one photo, you can see what does appear to be a shoulder-length blonde hair on the outside of
“Natalie's driver's side window stuck to the glass. But what struck Jennifer and others as alarming?”
That was top of this hair length. Bleach blonde hair, same length. Again, it was never mentioned
in the case file we found that. If the car were outside in the elements for 93 days as believed by law enforcement, how would a single strand of hair still be stuck to the window? This has helped strengthen the theory that the car was potentially moved into place shortly before being discovered. I've also confirmed that there were no agents or officers on scene with similar hair, so it couldn't have come from any of them. The length and color is the same as Tabitha's
was at the time. And while I'm sure there were many other women locally whose hair was similar in color and length, did any of them have a connection to Natalie? What would place them at her car? Again, this podcast is not to cast blame or guilt on anyone. It's simply to find the truth, to explore the questions that have arisen during the entire investigation into Natalie. And again, I reached out to Tabitha for comment, but had no luck. In one final attempt to make sense of
“all I've learned, to answer arguably the most important question of all concerning the night of”
July 4th 2020, what happened to Natalie and was she really alone that night? I looked back to the phone data. It's the only solid evidence that exists tracking Natalie's movements and communications that night. I took every single bit of phone data, every cell tower paying,
Movement, timestamp, and provided it to a criminal analyst review.
in this podcast because they currently work in law enforcement and have for the past 22 years. I asked questions that could hopefully explain the random movements Natalie appeared to make that night, such as the ghost pings seen in the data, meaning that her phone appeared to hit off towers far away, 20 to 30 minutes drive, then appears immediately back where she was centrally located, movements that aren't physically possible. Well, it's not VPNs, cell spoofing or hacking
or anything that technical. I'm told it's just an anomaly that happens with Verizon sometimes, which was Natalie's cell provider. Also, line of sight, weather conditions, topography, and trees or other obstructions can make this happen. Cell signals bounce off the tower with the clearest line of sight, even if it's not physically closest to the phone. So these theories are pretty much all explained away, but they did tell me that the phone was
moving and likely in a vehicle based on the data. But then I learned that if someone had access to Natalie's eye cloud account, which we know Jonathan had, not only could they see all of Natalie's messages, pictures, and location, but information could be remotely wiped or deleted as well.
“And that might prove to be crucial. The official cellular analysis survey team or”
cast report on Natalie's phone data compiled by the FBI mentions specific activity and possible account control as well as missing communication logs and states logs appear intentionally missing deleted or sanitized in their key findings. This means that data files were missing or intentionally removed. I asked our analysts what that really meant and was told this. It is absolutely suspicious and concerning. Add to that the fact that the top screen and autopsy showed no drugs in her system,
the fact that her car was hidden off the roadway, plus her phone being missing and never found
would make me highly doubt that she was alone when she died, whether it was accidental or intentional, it is my personal opinion that there's someone that knows how she died and was with her at that time. Investigator Boswell, who retired from her county sheriff's office shortly after my interviews with him, told me as much and that if they could find out who that person was, there may still be a chance at getting justice for Natalie if they played any role in her death.
In our circle of individuals who have looked at this case between me and a couple of the investigators that had looked at it over the years, we believe there's possibility that there was somebody there. So if we were able to identify that individual, be a far reach, but it's possible, it could be still even to this day prosecute because there's no statute of limitations on murder. With no clear cause of death, this is an uphill battle, but it's not impossible.
Why would any data be intentionally removed from Natalie's phone? What images, locations,
“texts or emails, could she have sent or received that night that someone didn't want others to see?”
And who had the motive, means an opportunity to do this? But while these questions remain unanswered for now, this gives people like Jennifer Petersen. Hope. To hear a seasoned analyst who specializes in this, after we've been in this case now for three years since it was closed officially, say that there appear to be missing files, things that have potentially been scrubbed. It gives me a little sigh of relief to know that we're not just these
conspiracy theorists that are just looking for something that isn't there. That's always been really
important to me. Of course, there are a lot of nefarious people in Natalie's case, but the data leads you where the data leads you. And I believe in data. So if that's the case and there's missing files, scrub data, controlled access of any capacity, it makes you step back and wonder why.
“Why did that happen? Who did that? What is the reason for doing that? Really just why?”
If there was nothing there with all these events that were put out there took place and were as they were presented, then why would anyone in any capacity need to remove data from Natalie's phone?
That's a bigger question. The search for answers will continue until the truth is known.
Because in the end, the truth about Natalie is what Natalie herself wanted th...
Natalie's story is it's hard to swallow, especially after death, for a lot of people. We have
“personally had a lot of people come to us even not so much today because I think that they understand”
who we are why we're here. But a lot of people that will say letter-rest in peace or this is over. It's done. And look, all of us in our community, we're not related to Natalie. We're not her family.
Her family first and foremost was her mother. For better and for worse, she left her mama.
You know, I've told Elaine from day one from the beginning. If there's ever a point that you just can't do this anymore, just need to let it go for your own healing for the kids, for their healing, we will stop and we will fully walk away and that will be that because that's the respectful thing to do. I've looked at Elaine face-to-face in person in the eye so many times and
“I've asked her because it's on my conscience as well to, you know, be a good human do good things.”
Is this what you want to do? She said, this is what my baby wanted. This was part of her story.
Run full speed. Jennifer Peterson, like many others alongside her, have spent monumental amounts of their time and energy searching for answers. Not for money, or for accolades, but for the truth. Simply because it's the right thing to do. I'm very grateful for my life. There was a time that I was not. There was a time that I could not stand by myself. I didn't even know what I wanted. I didn't know who I was. I didn't know anything.
I thought that was the way that it's just that it's just got to be and it's not. It's not the way that it's got to be. There is hope. There is love in this world and it starts with you as a person, whether you're going through something or you're not going through something, whether you're in the easy times or the hard times, plus somebody. You get blessed, plus somebody. Don't forget the next hearts and behind you. You know what I mean? Just keep on going and keep on building each other up.
I'm not mad at anybody. I don't have a grudge against anybody through the things that has happened. I'm still going to be me and I'm still going to love me. I've gotten to know Natalie Jones in some way through her videos and her journals. I feel a tremendous sadness for her, for her friends, her family, for children. Because as much as Jennifer, you or I want answers, those who knew and loved her are the
ones forced to carry the burden of not knowing, of having questions that may forever go unanswered. For as much as she was a funny, attractive young woman, opinionated and strong-willed, Natalie Jones was also vulnerable and lost, crying out for help. She made mistakes, and although she made choices you are I may not have made, she was working to overcome them, one by one the best that she knew how. Her sole purpose in life, for only real dream,
was to give her children the life that she never had. One full of unconditional love,
safety, and security. She was willing to do anything to give them that. I admire that about her. Elaine still feels certain that Natalie's death was not as simple as an accident and overdose. She'll keep asking questions and continue to be a thorn in the side of anyone who tells her
“otherwise. I think she just feels she owes her daughter that much. And the only thing she”
wishes for now is just a little more time with Natalie. To hear one more laugh, feel one more in grace. Spend one more minute together. Because the side from the visits with her grandchildren, her only tangible connection to her own children, to Natalie, all she really has left until they meet again, is time.
You all no matter what's going on in life, if you are up under a bridge and a...
and you have lost everything at everybody, you have God and he loves you more than anything.
“So love you and keep on going and don't ever give up.”
No matter what happens, no matter what goes on. I know in my heart that God has a plan
and I know in my heart that I have a forever home. So I love y'all. I want to thank y'all.
Thank y'all. We're going to be all right.
“I'm just gazing out though and though I'm on a planet roll and round a star.”
The truth about Natalie is an audio chuck original produced by particle entertainment. I wrote and produced the series. Executive producer is Ashley Flouders. Additional research provided by community advocates for Natalie Jones, original music written and performed by Jackson
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