E1091 - Age Of Attraction with Theresa, Tyler Cameron, Love Is Blind Finale & RHOBH

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I'm your host Nick Join by the new and very talented, sexy host of the new hit show coming out tomorrow on Netflix. Age of attraction. Now, enjoy it. That intro. It is age of attraction. Age of attraction.

It is host Natalie. You give me a host line. Like you're host voice and just say something about the moment here. Or you can leave here the same way you entered it. I'm curious. I'm curious. Alone.

I'm going to leave together. I'm excited are you. Guys, I'm excited. I'm excited for you all. Okay.

Because this is a really fantastic show. We just finished it over the weekend. I've been optimistic. Obviously, you know, you want it to be good when we filmed it. We're like this thing.

Some potential.

“I think we got something here, but you never sure how they're going to put it together.”

It's incredible. It's awesome. If you're someone who feels unrepresented and dating shows on TV, on reality TV, love competition shows. This is not a competition show. What I would argue that age of attraction is the most realistic social experiment when it comes

to love and dating on TV. What makes it different? Well, one again with the cast. It's 40 singles to half men, half women. Again, from 60 to 22.

And a big chunk of those people are in your 30s and 40s. That's the, that's the, I think, makes up the core of this group. And I think there's a lot of people out there watching these shows. You know, typical, you know, your bachelor shows, even lovers blind. You're typically focusing on people under mid to late 20s, sometimes 30s.

It also has a lot of people with a lot of lived experiences. A lot of people who know what heartbreak feels like, who have been in different types of relationships.

“And also, I think this is a very likable cast, including dare I say the men.”

I haven't seen it. Does it exist? Would you agree, Mary? I would agree. I think a lot of these guys in it are very charming and seem to have really good hearts.

Yeah, listen, I, I, we spent a decent amount of time with these people. I can't say we know them.

We never dated them ever.

Yeah. And to say that there are likable characters does not in any way. Stop it from having the drama you desire on these great television shows. Because I think what, what carries this show is that it, it really covers a lot of complicated and interesting relationship topics and discussions.

You know, for the people who are exploring these connections. They're making without initially knowing each other's ages.

It gets into the weeds. So we are actually having some interesting dialogue and discussions about relationships and love and dating. Obviously, we, again, we watch reality. It's really a mirror to look at ourselves in an easier lens and kind of critique our

choices in love and dating.

“And I think sometimes the way we get so triggered is because like, yeah, we might be”

reminded by someone, but again, not like an actual real way. And again, you, you know, I'm sure people watching it. You might like other characters more than others. You, you, I'm, we're not going to say you're going to love everyone here on the show. But I think overall, it's a, it seems to be a respectful group.

And it seems to be people who, you know, are just fairly normal. But also with the bit them being normal, still bring in interesting conversations because like finding love is hard. And, and dating someone in 2026 is difficult. And like now more than ever, we have this desire to make connections.

That's what makes a show what it is. It's just, it's a group of 40 people who truly want to, like, they want to meet someone. That was going to be my question because I was going to ask, like, do you feel like everyone's there, like genuinely looking for love? Because I feel like a lot of these shows you see the people come on and you're like,

Yeah, listen, it's, it's it's first season. And I think any first season has a benefit of, like, not having the proof of making any one famous. So, you know, there is that and we had the benefit of that. I said the first day of filming.

I was really, you know, taken back by the group. And they're what would felt like genuine enthusiasm to meet people.

“Because all, you know, the first show, it basically, it's the show starts”

as a mixer. So, like, all right, here's a bunch of singles. Go meet. There's very, there's only one rule. You can't initially talk about your age.

Okay. That is, that's it. And that's another thing I find it to be very realistic. I wonder, Nick and Natalie, as, as hosts of Age of Attraction, if you have seen this Cosmo post from Instagram that was saying,

Have men on dating shows always been this chopped?

First of all, what Jen's year wrote this headline? I don't even know what chopped chopped. Okay, so chopped this kind of, like, you know, like, chopped could be busted. Chopped is basically, like, you're in your flop there.

Chopped is really, you know, this is helping. You know what I said? Maybe even cook. We're getting married, right? A lot of, any just, like, kitchen terms.

Yeah, obviously, it's so cheesy. That's, like, raw on the internet. But raw vegetable? Yeah, chopped is basically, like, Yeah, you're not finally sliced.

You know what I mean, you're a little chopped. You're right around the internet. Okay. For sure. Yeah.

It's bringing a valid job. It's very, you know. It's a blunt, cooking utensil versus, like, chef. For Urban Dictionary says, "The Fuggliest Nasty is going to suck up the law." Yeah.

So, how, if you want the root of it? Yeah. You'll know when you feel chopped. The Fuggliest Nasty is-- Disgusting of them all is what Urban Dictionary says.

It's all, Jen and George wrote that one herself. Yeah. Anyway, so basically, Cosmo, whatever Jen's here at Cosmo was on the payroll that day,

was wondering, "Have men on dating shows always been this job?"

They were said, "If this season of Love is Mind taught us anything, it's that one thing straight men have is audacity. From way-chaming to weird fascinations with virginity, season 10 of Love is Mind has truly taken the cake for gathering some of the most in eligible bachelors together in one place.

Although every season has their bad apples, the ways in which most of the women on the Ohio-based season were terrorized by these guys seems incomparable to the previous seasons. What's arguable that men on reality TV have always been chopped.

It seems many of us are starting to wake up to the fact that there are simply too many diabolical guys taking over our screens right now. More all the story if they really want to prove Love is in fact blind, we're going to need these casting departments to get it together

because what happened this season should not be repeated ever. Damn. Wow. They really, well, passionately. Certainly, an opinion piece.

It's definitely true. I mean, like you think like Jack's Taylor on television, I feel like if that's he years ago is who we just have like multiples of all of it today. And it's like somebody thought him after midnight.

And he just bought the plot. Did that point that article? It's just like these are they seem to be deeply flawed men on this season of Love is blind. I also think it's in tension too,

“where I'm like, I think, like, for example, Alex, ex soccer player.”

Like, what if killed it on like a squid game's live action? You know what I mean? Like, I also think that these guys, so for example, they had the vendor pump rules reunion. Chris, who we've done perfect match.

His relationship didn't work out in the season and they were talking about him being on that reality show.

And he was like, you know, I was never really knew what I wanted to do

with my life. And then I kind of like put out the application or whatever and then came back, but he like knew he wasn't going for love.

So that's where I'm like, I think we're getting a lot of men

who are looking for opportunities. But like, you're using a platform that's supposed to be about falling in love and then not understanding why you not wanting to fall in love, why we don't like you. Or they're like, I'm using this to like learn something new about myself

and like find out if I could get past this one thing. And it's like, well, let's not use a woman on her child to figure that out. It is like marriage. And so maybe there's a different route we could take.

And possibly figure out if you could get over these pills.

“That's why I want to see people who genuinely want to go on these shows”

and like submit to these shows because they want to fall in love. They want to meet somebody maybe not marriage, but like hopefully meet somebody to lead to marriage. But like if I'm getting a bunch of people who are looking for an opportunity because they don't know what else they want to do with their lives.

And like then this is why we get these frustrating seasons. Yeah. Yeah. And part of it obviously is the shows and how they want to edit it. You know, like you look at a bachelor show.

I mean, they oversimplify every character. Right? So there's a lot of people who go on there. And you know, I was the guy who interrupted. And it's like, you know, there's more to me than just that.

You know, there's a little bit of... But you were still good at it. I also think Nick, I was going to say that reality TV is so good at using music to compel the story lines and going back to like the man-child song that was used last season.

I love his lines. I just think there's so much content of like music exposing men that act this way. That would make good clip. When these men give them this content,

they're like boom, man-child. Yeah. It just blows up on social media. Yeah. Well, there is that.

“But I think, again, we've discussed this at great length when we're talking about our”

favorite Bravo shows. You know, we talked about why we love the value of Persian style because it's like, oh, they have like there's some like solid dudes here. They're like on bachelor's one example of like, it's probably a bit of a leap to like be able to like know these guys

characters from watching the show. It's like pretty low stakes stuff. You know, people are made to look like a villain because of like nothing stuff. But then you do have guys who are calling their partners a fucking bitch,

you know, and throwing drinks and their faces. And then the quiet, you know, it's just like, and it only looks like these are the type of men that are out there. I mean, to be fair, it's been going on for a long time. Not even just on dating shows.

Well, it's just like reality, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some shorts.

Yeah. Even the nice ones. It's an amazing thing. Because I do feel like there is this idea that the only men that are good on reality TV are the ones that treat women poorly.

And I just don't think that's true.

“I think there's so many, they're like men on reality TV that don't treat women poorly”

that are compelling to me. Oh, it's like that with the value. Yes. This would be, you know, age of attraction will be a good witness test for you guys really want to watch relatively normal men who have who bring or and women normal flaws and

aren't perfect and make mistakes and say the wrong thing. But they have like, they bring something to the table. They they seem to have redeeming qualities. You know, there's something to root for. We do have a great episode lined up for you today to keep the age of a track and

theme going we have one of its many stars Teresa is with us. You have seen Teresa on the original clip who looks like she may be dabbling in an age difference relationship. And obviously a big part of this show that focuses on age differences is the question, you know, or the double standard about older women dating younger men.

Which I think will be very interesting and exciting for a lot of people to watch

because again, that's never seemed to be represented on TV.

Teresa is with us to talk about her experience on the show and what we can come to expect from watching it. I just wanted to sit down with Teresa and talk about like, you know, the double standard is out there and what has her dating in life been like and why was she drawn to coming on a show like age of attraction.

So we have her coming up next. Obviously, then we are going to get into the love is blind finale. We do have the reunion this week to look forward to. We also have the real housewives of Beverly Hills and all that drama going on on on and off the screen.

And you're one and only Tyler Cameron's back with us. That's right. Our friend, friend of show and friend of life, Tyler Cameron is with us to talk about. And F.O.L. To talk about the new show that he is hosting the Bachelor of Manchin takeover.

I think it should have been makeover. Like I feel like it is taken over every single time we see it by this time they're making it over. They're making it over so they can take it over. We talk with Tyler about the new show and catch up with him.

That's all this episode and just, you know, good news. Bad news. We don't have a going deeper on Wednesday.

But we do have an amazing going deeper on Friday.

So set your calendars for that. It'll all make sense when we drop it. But we want to get it to you timely. And so it's out on Friday. Also don't forget about F.O.L.L's pluses.

We have our reality recap deep dies where we deep dive on your favorite shows. Like summer house. Love is blind. And so much more.

“We'll also obviously get into some age of attraction.”

You might get some insider tea from the hosts of the show. At least host. And we also have our pop extra round up. When we talk about your favorite pop culture topics. Like, well, dive even deeper in the Timothy Jailman.

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So go to vilefiles.com to sign up. You will be glad that you did. All right. Well, up next. One of our many stars of the new hit show.

Age of attraction. That premieres tomorrow on Netflix on March 11th. Okay. He didn't know. Up next.

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Trees are welcome in this show. Thank you. I'm so excited to be here and see you guys. It's so good to see you. Yeah, it's so wild.

Wait, when did we film this show?

No, we filmed May to June. Yeah, yeah. It seems like a lifetime ago. It does seem like a wild ago. Oh my god, it was so much fun.

Well, we are super excited to have you. Obviously, age of attraction debuts tomorrow. And you are one of what I hope is the many stars of the show.

We got to see you in the first kind of sizzle or trailer.

Trailer. Yeah. And you were very much featured on that. I was shocked totally. You did.

Well, they did. They told me the night before that I was going to be sort of like the main face or whatever. But you know, you just don't know until you see it. And I literally couldn't watch the whole thing.

I was like overwhelmed with emotion. I had to put my phone down. I was like in the middle of work. And so I had like people around me and they were just like, "What is happening?"

You didn't know the Aphrodisiac conversation was going to be me. Oh no. And like, I have to say, like, I kind of sound drunk or something. Like, what? I was like, flirt my words.

I wasn't drunk. But I was like, I'm so weird.

“I think that's just watching yourself on TV.”

Oh my god. Why do I look like that one? I sound like that. There's something wrong with me. Yeah.

I know how to pronounce that word. To have fun with ages. And this is what this show is about. I'm old enough to know what it's like to record a voice. You're like, hi, you've reached Nick.

Voice mail. Can't come to the phone right now. I know no one's doing that these days. It just goes beep. You've reached number.

But that was always jarring for people.

I know. You know, you would be like, that was like the first time you'd ever hear your voice. Yeah. And you'd be like, oh my god. Is that what I sound like to people?

Yeah. And then you go on TV. And you try and change it. You'd like repeat it over and over again. Yeah.

It never changed. Just your voice. But then you go on TV. It's a home to experience. Yeah.

Because then you have your face, your body, your hair, like everything is there. One of the many reasons why we're excited for the show is how different age groups are getting more representation on the show. Specifically for women who aren't in their 20s anymore, who watch some of these shows that they really love, but only feel like they get to watch 20-year-olds fall in love.

We are really excited that age of attraction will show a spectrum of different age groups and different people at different walks of life with a lot of lived experience that they bring to this show when it comes to finding love and dating. But I am curious for you. What compelled you, someone who's at this stage in their life, to go on a show or reality show

“like age of attraction and be as vulnerable as you were?”

Yeah. It was definitely vulnerable. I cried my eyes out like many times. So, you know, I have lived quite a life. Like I've had many breakups.

I've been married twice. I've dated young, I've dated old. I mean, when they came to me and they were like, "Would you date someone younger?" I was like, "I've done that." So, yeah, that's not a problem for me.

And why are you interested in that?

And the answer is, the guys who are my age are just not doing it for me, quite frankly.

Like, I don't know if it's because I'm not physically attracted to most of them. I mean, of course, it's like needle and haystack. You can find a guy in my age group that is physically attractive to me. But then there's all the other things. It's like, "Do they have the energy that I have and want to do the things that I still want to do?"

I mean, I spent so much time being a mom and raising my kids. And I did it primarily alone. And so, my whole life was devoted to them. And so, I got to a point now where my kids are all grown. And they're living their own lives.

And so, now it's like, "Well, what's left for me?" Like, that job's done. So, I'm like, "Okay, now I have to find what I want," which is a partner. And they need to meet all of these different criteria, quite frankly. And that means, you know, I have to be attracted to them.

They have to have the same energy level as me. It's hard to find that in my age group.

“Obviously, I feel like older women, and I think you speak to this a lot throughout the show.”

I've just like, it's not normalized for older women to date younger men. And for the other way around, it's like, "Oh, yeah, sure, do that every day." I mean, we have that. But recently, Sierra Miller came out. And she said, "I remember being 21, and auditioning to be the love interest of a 45-year-old man.

Things have moved on since then, but the idea of an older woman with a younger man, for example, is still fetish. Fettish? Fettish? Fettish? Fettish?

Fettish eyes? Fettish eyes?

Yeah. What's Fettish? You're just going to listen. Fettish eyes? Fettish eyes?

Fettish eyes? Fettish eyes? Fettish eyes. Rather than normalize, there's a disparity there that I would love to see disappear.

“I think the whole world is embracing women as they age in a way that is unprecedented.”

is unprecedented, yeah, so basically the idea of an older woman

is still with the younger man is still fetishized. - Did you? - Yeah, I said it well. - Yeah. - Did. - They got the gift. (laughing) - You can't use that one, put it in your hand.

- That was too bad, you know, Netflix channel. - Yeah, that was so good. - Do you agree with that statement? - Oh, completely. I mean, I think women are becoming more and more empowered

in every way, like in the workplace and sports and everything, and so why shouldn't it follow through into the world of dating? Like, I mean, I think in general, like the whole age gap thing is still sort of looked at

as, you know, with a big question mark, like, why? Like, there's such a mystery around it, but it's like, it shouldn't be. Like, we're talking about love here. We're not talking about like hurting each other.

We're talking about like loving each other and finding connections. So what is wrong with that? Like, no matter what the age is, if you have commonalities and, you know, you're happy

and the other person's happy and you guys are lifting each other up, what could be wrong? - Period. I remember watching the older women that we followed

and I remember watching like all of you feel more and more empowered each time.

You know, it was just like, at first, you're like,

"Oh, no, this feels weird, should we do it?" I don't know, and then it's like, you know what? No, like, this is what I want to do. This makes me happy, I'm gonna do it. - Exactly.

- We're talking about adults looking for love. And I'm sure, you know, you have kids, you have friends. Anyone out there dating right now.

“It's, it's a mine field and I think nowadays,”

people are just really having a hard time making connections period, you know, just because the way the apps, it just, it just kind of like we're losing that ability to kind of slow down and have these face-to-face conversations

with a real open mind. - Right. - And it was really, that was my, I've said this a few times on our show, but like when we got there day one,

when you guys all walked in and we're standing there,

reading you all, and just like watching you all day,

I was, you know, sometimes when it comes to our ITV shows, you're like, "All right, who's here "for the right reasons, like who's you now?" And I was really surprised and elated by the enthusiasm of the collective group,

and it really seemed like a bunch of people very frustrated with how dating is out there. - Yeah. - And the inability to like just make connections. And we provided that and just like a lot of people to just, again, like the show is about making connections

with people that you're compatible with, that you feel something for eliminating outside voices, whether it's about age, family, certainly like all the things that might play a role, then you guys will work through that. But like I think nowadays,

I'm curious what you think prior to going in this show, do you feel like dating has become that? Where we go into a date with all these filters already, like in our mind, all the reasons why red flag this, red flag that, I can't date you for this,

I can't date you for that. And we're just like, "Well, why are we even here?" - Yeah, on a date. - It's true. I think, I mean, for me in particular, because I've gone through life in the way

that I have with relationships and things like that, like I immediately start with a wall up because it's a protective thing that, you know, you like someone has to prove themselves to me. And when you're dealing with these dating apps,

there's really not a lot of vetting that needs that has gone on, that needs to go on. And so, you're sending across someone who you really have no idea what this person is about. And they could be, you know, really dangerous, actually.

And like that has happened to me before where I've been on a certain dating app and, you know, I connected with a bunch of people or whatever. And maybe I did or didn't go out with them, but then I'll get a notice, like a week later saying,

you know, this person violated some sort of code. And I'm like, oh my gosh, like, I could have gone on a date with that person? - Yeah. - I mean, it's just crazy.

So the reason why these shows are becoming so popular is because people want to see connection. They want to see that genuine desire to be with someone

“and to show up in a way that that's what both people”

are there for. They both want to find a connection where as like these dating apps or whatever, you just don't know, this person could be like wanting a just hook up with you

or wanting to hurt you in some way. And so, I don't know, I just, I felt safe doing the show and I was like, gosh, maybe this is like the new way to like date, you know, like, maybe this is like, gonna be a good thing, like for everybody,

be like, I gotta find a show to get on order by my partner. I don't know. - We watch these RYTV shows and a lot of it has to do

And I think a lot of people like to have fun with the lack of careers that some people show up on RYTV with. But I am curious, like, tell us a little bit about yourself. You, again, have a, not only as a mom,

but as a working professional, a pretty fascinating past. - Yeah, I have a very vast sort of career, very many facets to it. But I would say sort of my main career

has always been in fashion and I started in New York,

Calvin Klein and then worked my way back to Chicago after I had my kids, took a little time off to, you know, raise them and then I went back into the industry as a freelancer. And so now I do, I'm a fashion editor

for one of the largest publishers in Chicago land. And I also do, like, my agency work and stuff like that. So I also do modeling, I also do a little acting. And I'm a yoga instructor on top of it, also. God knows where I find the time, but I do as she needs

a man to keep up with us. - Yeah, she's doing a lot of schedule. - Sarah, you are going to love this.

“Who did you work with at Calvin Klein back in New York?”

- Oh, yeah. I was there on Carolyn Facette. (laughing) - Guys, what do you know in being? - Could you know her well?

- Oh, I, we knew, like, I didn't know her well. We weren't like friends, friends. She was on a different floor than I. She was in women's, I was in men's collection. I did work like right next to John Vervedos,

who everybody knows. But, you know, back then, as I knew, you didn't know who these people were, what they were going to become.

I mean, God knows, I never thought I'd be sitting on this couch.

(laughing) Yeah, so like, it's crazy to look back and, you know, seeing love story brought back all these nostalgia for me and fashion was so good. - Yeah, what do you, what are your thoughts on everyone

kind of like recreating Carolyn Facette's fashion in kind of, I mean, she's, you know, she was a classic. It's just like, you know, Jackie Kennedy or like any of the big sort of iconic fashion, you know, stars. They set the stage for sort of like a classic look.

And so, I don't think it's a bad thing for people to be out there, you know, trying to recreate it and look that way because it's a beautiful look. - I wonder if it will, maybe start the decrease of fast fashion with everyone trying to just like have a white tee.

- Yeah, I'm full of cheese. - Please, that was great. - I had bad, yeah, it's got like capsule wardrobe. And, you know, it's more quality than it is about quantity. And that's actually how I was raised.

My mom raised me in the way that like she would buy me not a lot of clothes, but everything I had was really good. And I just had to learn how to like mix and match it. Maybe add a couple buttons here or whatever, you know, talking late '80s.

- Okay, yeah. - But yeah, I mean, that kind of helped me develop my own sense of style and, you know, I felt that right and took help and climb. I mean, I was very like, no makeup, natural.

- So, even you're off it today, stunning. - Oh, yeah, you did a great job. - Yeah, I know, it's not necessarily fun to see what Teresa would wear or else that. - Yeah, I can't wait.

- No, no, no, no, no, it's like something else to watch for. - Yeah, watch for it.

“- Did you have fun like planning your outfits for the show?”

- I did, yeah. I mean, it was funny 'cause, you know, I'm a stylist. So, I'm used to styling everybody else. So, when we had our stylist come in and they were like, "We actually want you to wear that."

I was like, "I was like, "I'm sure I'll wear that tomorrow "and then I show up in something different." They were like, "Okay, fine. "After rally, just gave up on me." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- She's gonna do that. - She knows what you do.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I've always enjoyed fashion.

I'm like it. I've always had an interest in it, but then I met my wife. And she was like, "I had a couple notes for you." - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Did you get your own, bye-bye?

- No, it's really not me, I was like, I was like, 'cause I'll tell you boots. (laughing) - I ran out. - I was like, "I'm gonna get you a few years ago." - Skinny jeans. - Bye, I mean, guys tend to lock in to whatever fashion

was in Vogue when they were like the most single and social in their late, in early 20s, when they were out and about, and when they when they cared a little bit. And then they just... - They got positive reinforcements.

- Yeah, and they're like, "I'm sticking with this." - And then they like settled down or don't go out anymore. And then, you know, the world's moved on, and they're still in like boot cut jeans from like, you know, and then they come back around

and they're like, "Well, the back in fashion." - No. - But my life is a lot...

“- My life is a bit women that it does with me, yeah.”

Do you have a lot of iconic pieces? - I actually still have three pieces that were from when I worked there.

- But your daughter hasn't sold them yet.

- She has one thing. - Yes. - And I'm like, "She's here in L.I." So I'm like, "I don't have to get that back again." (laughing)

- Okay, if you didn't, they're also bringing that sweater that you were in that collection. You got it right for me. - Before we let you go, Teresa, you are someone who is potentially dated younger men.

- Uh, on the show. - And for the ladies who might watch this show, who are out there dating themselves, if they have had the opportunity to consider, maybe an age difference or dating younger man,

but whether it's judgment from themselves or hearing outside voices, can you give us a top five reasons to date? - Yes. - A younger guy.

- Okay, vitality. (laughing) - Thank you. - Yeah, I mean, they have to be, you know, I mean, you're gonna come across a guy

that's better looking, no doubt, the younger they are.

Interest, I mean, life moves so fast or so many like new fun, exciting things going on. And when you're older, you're just kind of like, yeah, you can miss that boat. - New dark new tricks.

- Exactly.

“So like, I, you know, I think that's a fun thing to enjoy.”

And their friends could be really fun too. I don't know, like, great music, just, yeah, social life, get out of your comfort zone a little bit. - Exactly. - Challenge you.

- No, no, no, go to somebody dinner parties. - Yeah, you know. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. (laughing)

- Sometimes you wanna go to a big party. - Yeah, what a catch you young. - Like, I think I gravitate towards that also, probably for a couple reasons, one because I have kids that are like a little older, I was a young mom.

And secondly, 'cause the industry that I'm in, you know, working with models and, you know, you're on set listening to all this like great music. And it's just, it just becomes your norm and then you're going out after shoots

and like you're with, you know, it's just that's the vibe. - I love my career, so it just makes sense that I gravitate towards that with dating as well. - Do you miss New York and your five? - God, yeah.

- Yeah, I'm like a fish out of water in Chicago. - I mean, Chicago's great in the summer. - Would you now be now that your kids are grown? Would you, is there a world in which you'd move back to New York?

- No question.

“- Yeah, I would move to New York, I'd move to LA.”

I'd move to Paris or London. - Yeah, yeah. - So to it. - I open to it all. - Yeah, right, I'd have like a house in each place.

- That's what I'm talking about. - Okay, you're fascinating. - You're fascinating. - Oh my gosh. - I'm amazing.

- I'll even commit to being a lot in Paris. - Yeah. - Do you guys have any questions for Theresa? - All I have to say is I want to be you. - Me too.

- Oh my God. - Same here. - We need a New York trip so you can just be like, okay, this is Castle Pieces of an Albano. - Yeah, no, I mean, I'm actually thinking,

'cause I've been to Paris, like, God, I don't know, more than 50 times of doing, like shopping trips with people, because I have been there some of my times, I know the places to go.

I keep up with like the newest latest and greatest. - What? - Are we thought in the new Chanel collection that is like taken over? - Oh, it's insane.

Matthew, but I, he's amazing.

And yeah, I love, I just love the layering that they did and like, you know, the femininity that's always Chanel, but it's even more so with this collection. - No, I was pitching my last night and bed.

- Oh, I was like, you know, I am going to be birthing to babies. So if it may be either two push presents or one maybe big one, yeah. And one maybe, I can introduce you guys.

- I can help you with that if you need. - Well, I've been trying to be like the year of saving. - Yeah, that's what is telling me, but he did get me pregnant with twins. - I'm gonna do that.

- And it's like, him probably should. - Should I have a contradiction? - Yeah. - It's your fault. - It's your fault.

- Yeah, it's your fault. - Yeah. - So actually the year of double. - We didn't do that breathing. - And triple, 'cause I won't river it all so much.

- There you go. - It's like you will work harder. - Yeah. - If we spend more money. - You got this babe, you got this.

(laughing) - I love it. - I am just trying to motivate you. - Yes, that's what I'm doing. - Oh my gosh, I can't wait to see your babies.

- I know. - For example, I wish whoever was here. - I know. - I know. - She's so excited.

- She's like, it's so cute. She's just turned two. - Yeah.

“- So I do honestly feel like she's grasping more”

than I would have thought. She would have, like she sees my belly and just like, one, two babies. Like two babies in my belly. - I don't actually talk like that.

(laughing) - I don't really know where I came from, but yeah, she got to do some of the same thing. - Or she looks at the ultrasounds and she like knows that those are the babies.

And she... - When we were watching an intimate reaction, she looked like my dad a show. - Yeah. - And it felt like we won't even be on screen.

And it's like, like, she's coloring?

Like, how do you know? - Yeah. - How do you know what's out? (laughing) - She's like, I recognize what's left.

- Yeah. - I was there in my life and there. - Live there for a few weeks. - So it's what happens to my name on the credits. - Oh my God.

- Well, street set, we're very excited to see people watch your journey on age of attraction unfold. And we are grateful that you were very much a part of this cast. And really, again, just really excited

for people to watch this show, watch you, see how this experience goes for you. Because again, I'm just really excited about how lovers represented on this show in such a fascinating way.

“And I think there's a lot of interesting dialogue”

and conversations with a lot of interesting people and I'm excited for people to watch. So thank you for being a part of it. - Absolutely. Yeah, I'm super excited for everyone

to see all of the things. - And who knows, maybe we'll have, depending on how things go. - Yeah. - We'll have a catch up with you

and kind of aware, or you know. - Okay. - And for sure, we'll see. - Potentially, maybe. - Theresa, good luck.

- Thank you. - Thank you for having me, guys. - I'm gonna see you too. - See you in pairs. - Yes, congrats.

- Congrats. (laughing) - That was fun. - That was really fun. - Well, you guys, what do you guys think of Theresa?

- I'm in love with her. - Yeah. - Yeah. - There's no other takeaway from that. She's just fascinating, beautiful woman

that I'm so excited to see her.

“- She used to, I wanna be in the future.”

Whenever I meet a very powerful, successful, beautiful woman,

I'm like, that's, that's who I wanna be. - Beautiful, smart, elegant, funny, charming. She's got ribs, relatable, relatable. - And I know we don't know her age yet. We'll obviously, we'll be revealed when you,

(laughing) - I'll date her too. - No, but I was gonna say, but she's in the younger. Talking about representation, we have had the golden bachelor.

Trees is not there yet. - No. - But I only point that out because we loved Joan. Joan, our first and only golden bachelor at. But because of the way I help with the bachelor franchise is,

they have their playbook. It's really just like sad story, you know, but we're really gonna get to know these cast members. Get to know Theresa. Again, real conversations, talking about their dating life,

potentially their sex life, things like that, to think the insecurities and fears that all people out there dating face, you know. People have been divorced twice separated, who have kids, don't have kids, people dating with kids.

And so very excited for you guys, I'll see it. - Are you excited? - So we're one for one. - We're one for one. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, we are. - I'm worried about the women though. - No. (laughing) - No, never.

- I've never been like worried.

- We will also have two more contestants from age of attraction on Thursday's episode. As well as another very fascinating person that I'm sure many of you will, at least be interested in hearing what they have to say.

- Mm-hmm. - Outside of age of attraction. That's on Thursday, I don't wanna give too much away.

“What else is going on in the reality TV pop culture world?”

- I mean, before we get to reality TV, did you see Timothy Salamay dogging on the opera? - Yeah. - Mr. Tim Liguardia, hi, graduate, himself. - I love this man down, but why would you say that? - I'm pretty positive son of a ballerina.

- Yeah, she's a son of a ballerina. - Yeah, she's a son of a ballerina. - For opera or, you think for a say, "Hey, keep it to Tango five." You can tell me, "Yeah, I can only hear this."

- Oh my God. - For the people who obviously are big and to the arts and bellies. Coming from, that was, he wasn't, he was like, the thing no one cares about.

- Literally. - I mean, he was, he was dogging on it. I don't think he was being fully serious, but I think the tone of, I think he seriously thinks no one cares about it.

- Yes, he does seriously think that. I don't think he was trying to be derogatory to the arts, but... - Because he also followed it up with, well, I just lost 14 cents in viewership though.

- But also, doja catch. He also clapped it back being like, as someone who's big and love you, but like, the ballet is big, the opera is big. You go to these performances and you go to the arts

and there's not a single open seat, these are sold out and those tickets for those seats are like not cheap. So it's not a matter of like nobody cares, nobody wants to go.

It's a matter of like, you're not going. - It is. I know nothing about the Oscar process and the campaign, but I do know that it is a campaign. - Terrible time.

- Right? - I feel like the people who are gonna be votein' for Timmy. - No respect for the classic arts, okay. No respect for your Oscar now. - Mayor Maynapa probably are on boards

of said opera and ballet. - Opera is in ballet. - Also though. - But I'm remembering what Doja said. - Congratulations, Michael B.

- Sure, it's a win. - That's accurate. - That's accurate. - Okay, well in there's, let's, sinners does deserve it.

Anyway, my thing with this whole, this whole Timmy thing is just like, I believe truly that high and low are exist

- That it girl.

“- And that's what I live my entire life based off.”

I think reality TV is just as important as the opera.

And so in that case it's like, - Timmy, it's just a more him saying. - No one cares about it. - It's like people do. I was gifted tickets to the opera at 11 years old.

Did I enjoy it? - No, your mom is good. - Did I grow? - Your sister was a little fool. - Belly is so back, is it not?

Like skins just hit ballet ad. People are dressing like ballerinas. Belly slips her back like I'm like, I don't, it was just a mark that just didn't. - Oh my god, there's a ballet coach

that's viral on the internet because his classes are so hard, but it's like he's not like toxic in the way that like old ballerina coaches were. - Sure.

- But he makes these jokes and he gets down on the ground and looks at their feet.

I could watch their videos all day.

I was like, I would take a class just to know what this felt like. - I would like to hear club shallow made defend this statement he made. - Timmy, if I wanted to, yeah. - I wonder if she'll join the chat.

- Miss Cloney? - Well, Miss Clob, she's, listen, I follow her on Twitter. - Has she said anything? Let's see if she said anything about this specific thing.

- I know the community was getting very hot. - I still have to see Marty's Supreme, so maybe I might eat my words after seeing that. Have you seen it, Mayor? - I have not seen Marty's Supreme yet.

My friends have been really trying to get me to watch it. I have not had the time. - He had me, I call me by her name. I was like, that's the skinny boy representation that I needed on.

- She has not, she has not defended her boy. She's not a defender of boy yet,

but she has like low-key been teasing the waters

of maybe starting a corner story ban account as well. So she might be busy. - Sorry. - Miss Clob, shall I may? - Forgive, forgive my ignorance.

- He did whatever. - He did whatever. - Okay, yes, anyway, sorry. - But we love you, Miss Clob. - I do remember when the marketing of Marty Supreme was happening,

it was very much, he was like, yeah, let's go. Let's fucking do this, like, to be the best, like whatever Marty Supreme was. Maybe this is just him extending that character into the Oscar campaign of being kind of stupid.

- To Mary's point of the campaigns, there was one campaign that he did for Marty Supreme where someone was bowging, and he just goes, "Receive, received."

“So I think he's not really trying to be negative,”

but it comes to the offer of LA. I think he just said something that was silly, that he knew he was gonna get clowned for. - He, I mean, he followed it up with, I'm gonna lose whatever he said, 14 cents of your ship.

So it's like, he definitely knew saying that would piss people off. - Yeah, sometimes you just say shit, and then people are like, that's wrong, and then you're like, yeah, you're at it. - You know what pisses me off?

People making rumors about him and a battula, making out with Wes, no. - Wilson, like, it's just like talking about him. - I would say speaking of things that are not real. I think we can further headlines

that Amanda and Wes dating together. - I mean, I feel like this is an entire cast hard at work. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, professional. - Yeah, say more. - I just, I don't think these rumors just come from anywhere, right?

And the people putting out these rumors, certainly get things wrong, but it's not based off of nothing. And I wouldn't shock me if people on this cast are well connected, and no people in the space of putting out these kind of blind items.

- Blind items? - You know, we've, like, I don't know what was going on with Amanda and Kyle back when Jesse was like, "Hey, nice cans," but clearly everyone was kind of in on it. Because like, that was a comment you just don't make

you your friend's wife. - Sure. - And, and they all kind of didn't act like, let's say, like, I guess I think a normal person would. So I don't know, it just feels like they're stirring,

they got a new show coming out, they're spinoff show. - Yeah, yeah. - I feel like this is kind of par for the course, where they're putting out things that aren't true, that gets people talking, that are very easily,

you know, disqualified, but here we are. Or, this is a very handsy cast, you know, which we know that about West. - It's the summer, they're in the same house. - Nope, West, it's the summer.

- On Saturday, with Lindsay Sierra hanging out with Lindsay's baby, there's several other people there though. It's not just some of them. - And Mia. - It's a grouping out.

- But I'm just wondering, it's a group of people, but I'm still saying that I'm like, I think if Sierra and Amanda were hooking up, I don't think that Sierra and West would be. - Sierra and Amanda were hooking up.

- Or if Sierra and Amanda and West are hooking up, I don't think Sierra and West are gonna be at Lindsay's hanging out with the baby.

“- That's what I'm saying, I think this is a very handsy cast.”

- I think they're all very touchy-feely, and I think they're out in public, and they're at a bar, and you got West leaning over, holding hands with Amanda, or touching on Sierra, and someone's taking a picture, someone's writing to the blinds, being like,

oh my god, they're all over each other, and it's like they're just friends who are a little drunk. - And you know, some of you doesn't watch the show either. It's like somebody's run, that's like, oh my god, do you know who that is?

Oh my god, that's so crazy. - And then it's like, oh my god, why are they all over each other?

of them hanging out at Amanda and West, and I was just like, oh, they're friends. - They're cute, they're hanging out. - And then all of a sudden, it was like, they're dating, and I was like, oh, I'm on a different page.

- Yeah, well, she did just say she would never date anyone

in her cast. - Yeah, so it's like, this is all disproven by the end of the weekend, but, for fun, let's say there was truth, it would be a bit of a scandal, when do you think? - West and Amanda.

- Yeah, it's not the same as Candleville, but I'm not-- - I'm not-- - I'm not kidding. - Oh my god. - We're going into cracks to tears.

- I would argue, that I feel like,

“I think people would embrace it in a way”

that people wouldn't expect. I don't feel like they would catch as much heat as you would think. - West and I disagree, Amanda. - You think so?

- Yeah, 'cause I think Amanda Sierra page, the whole of it, like very much, pride it themselves, like on, like the little-- - It definitely would be weird. - It was Sierra and West really good.

- Okay, well, I guess I wasn't considering that. I was more talking about the Kyle and Amanda. - I think the flip of what you're saying is that if Kyle did something, then it would be similar to Candleville.

- Let's assume Sierra is in love with someone else and she is just completely over the west of it all. What if it was just a-- - No, no, I don't think so. - No, I--

- I do see what Nick saying, if Kyle did something, not Amanda, that Kyle could catch you. I know, that was something, but I think it's the other way around, not Amanda. - Kyle also.

- I think they would rally around Amanda and West. - Okay, but if something happened now, it's like they're separate in.

“- I do think people want Amanda to go out there”

and date people for sure. - I for sure do. I want to see, I want to see single era Amanda Batula in this way we're singing single era Bronwyn. I want to see single era Amanda Batula.

- And Nick, what was your prediction? I'm not giving any truth to this rumor that's circulating, but like, what was your prediction of who Kyle would date after Amanda? - You know, someone who loves DJs.

- Because, yeah, he's being speculated to be rumored or seen out with Avidash from next gen and YC. Someone who loves DJs, he's a model. - Someone who likes that.

- Young, energy. - And we love Avidash. - We do. - Avidash, who's her dad, Damedash, Damedash. - Rather a ritual royal.

- And like, Alia, the whole. - Yep, yep, yep, yep. - And then at the end of the day, Kyle's going to date someone who's at a stage of life, who isn't going to have a ton of expectations from him.

- And then the second that she is like, "Hey, do you want to like stay in and like order in "and watch a movie and he's going to be like, "Oh my God, stop it." Could you imagine he gets with like a 22, 23 year old

and then they're like, in case we already have a baby next year, like when are you getting married? He's like, "I thought I was getting away from this." - Did you guys see that Kyle was promoting his THC line of drinks this weekend?

He was like, "I just, it count to my attention "that I need to remind people we have this line of product "and then all of the comments are like, "so you clown to Manda about smoking weed "but you're promoting your drink."

- No, that's crazy. - And I didn't think about that until I read it and I was like, "Wait, yeah, there's such bad timing." - Yeah. - That was bad timing.

- Stoneers, you night for good of clowning, Kyle, good. - It was already a weird thing, though. - This smoking weed? - Yeah.

“- Yeah, like, that's what you're coming for.”

- Yeah, it just was a little...

- It shows that shows Amanda's never done anything wrong.

- Yeah, yeah, literally. - Literally. - Like, the always junk person versus the always high person. - But even think of like, the collapse in what not that lover boy has done

that it's very directed to females and it's because of Amanda. Like, even they just had a collaboration with boys' lives. - Like, remember this is what I, my whole like, initial argument about Kyle Cook was years ago

when he was like, complaining about his business failing and I'm like, it's because you go on a national show and you treat your wife like shit. No one wants to buy your product. - Yeah.

- Like, no one is like, oh, this looks like a good man to support and a good business to support. Like, sure, let me spend my hard earned money to like support this man who's like calling his wife a bitch and throwing drinks and being a crybaby.

Like, you know, you're so right, but it, and it's also like, I just saw like an ad for twisted tea, which I think is where the original concept of lover boy came from 'cause that's what they were drinking season one.

- Oh, really? - And I'm just like, it's one of those things too, where it's like, okay, yeah, work on your business.

But like, how come I've never seen any form of marketing

outside of social media? Like, I've never once seen like a commercial being like, oh, maybe I should try a lover boy or like, get it into a different show and like, I feel like, yeah.

- That's something like there's no like real marketing behind it 'cause it's like a business that he thinks stands on its own, but it's like the collabs that do welds based off of Amanda. And it's like, we see the vision and we're like, all right, I guess we'll try like a dirty Shirley from lover boy,

but like, I don't see Kyle pushing out. - I've always seen it when watching a song out. - You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, you think that you would see an ad, even cost a me goes had an ad and it's George freakin' clue

and George Clooney, like, you know what I mean? Like, when it first came out, that it was just like, oh, these group of guys. - There's definitely a lot of things that could be done. - 100%.

- I think the branding is really cute. Amanda did that. You know what else is really cute? - Alex from Love's Blind getting caught using his burner account for defending cell.

- Classic. - Classic, classic, classic chopped man. - It's also, it's the names too. What was, what was Jackson's? - Frank Drainman.

- Frank Drainman or something? - I think this one's like Chad Bolden. (laughing) - But I'm here, dude, they come up with it. - Where's the info?

- What is it?

“Is it like a name you always wanted to be called yourself?”

- Oh, Frank's like fuck I'm an Alex, but I really act like a Chad. - Is it Frank Drainman is from like something that Chad? - Yeah, it was like, I think it's the name of the main character. - The naked gun, okay.

- It's something from the naked gun, I believe. - Also, this is what happens when a boomer and I'm not saying they're boomers, but they're closer to boomers. - Spear is really boomers.

- When they use a finston, don't know to use the finsta. Like, why are you using your finston saying? She was using me. - It also should be. - When I said you could have just said,

she was using him. - They're a person. - When you hit send on that comment, it shows you when the comments posted. You didn't think, hmm, not the right account.

Yeah. - I said I. - He's clearly, you know, just going back and forth. - That was crazy. - This is the key can keep up.

- He's like, no, he's the greatest guy ever. - I am the greatest guy ever. - Yeah. - See, this is why, remember those posters, they had an elementary school about, like,

past tense, present tense, future tense, and how it could save lives. - Yeah. - This is one of those moments. - Sorry buddy.

- Has love is blind stopped being a influencing show. - For sure. - Yeah. - I thought that, then I saw Jess's account and like, she's popping.

- Well, Jess's. - Well, yeah. But Jess kind of made it clear. - Not Jess best all, just from the season. And like, I was just curious.

I was looking at them and she posted her, like, hot bikini photo and I was just like, - I think it's definitely like, - Of course. - When there's the big storylines

when everyone feels like, oh, we need to support the first person. Let's rally around them definitely. I think they get a pop. I don't think we'll see Jess quitting being a doctor.

- No, no, no, no. - You know, like, I don't think it's as lucrative as it was. - And she was the last person. - I mean, I did jump into it.

Like, I'm Chelsea from that season, which was also Jess Festel. A lot of AD was also one that pops. Then we have Chinese disco baby, she pops. Like, we still have people every season.

- Yeah, it's not a single season. - Also, it's not live island though. It's not live island where all the finalists are like, - Okay.

- The show does never go on.

- Well, I don't, all these people you just mentioned. - Yeah. - I don't remember like studying their pages or following that closely off the show. But from what I remember,

I felt like they organically got these followings. And I don't know what their intentions were going into these shows, but it seemed like they were spawned to the following, they were giving them. Like back in the day when people go on the batcherns,

like, oh my god, I have all these followers.

“And now you're, and I think you're seeing a lot of love”

as blind people. - Yes, yeah. - Not be really get like 40,000 followers, 18,000 followers, like relative to like some of the mass of following that previous people before they've gotten.

And the pages becomes like, there are influencers now. There, you know, it's like they're leaning in, they're doing skits, they're doing all these things. And it's just like, the show hasn't even ended.

- Like yours, you know, like it's, - I like the show to some like to whatever he's saying, the show determined, you said determined if you were an influencer. Like love Island gives you the influencing platform.

- I was gonna say, I think a lot of people used to go on these shows and like not expected. Like love Island UK obviously would be like you blow up

to 2 million like right before you get out the villa.

USA says, especially season six is very much the same formula. But I'm like, I don't know, these shows, yeah, they don't think. - I think now it's like personality storyline based. - It's like people are going around Jess and going around Ashley because they're like,

that's the first and only support. - I think it's reactive. - Yeah, it's like, because that's where I said, if feel like you really have to earn a follow from people nowadays and it's like you're reacting to

what they went through, how they handle themselves. And then like you see what they're already posting. So I'm like, and I think a lot of these people obviously go on for an opportunity. So they already are like their pages are already set up in a way

that it's like, oh, I'm coming on here and I have some people posting for me while I'm on the show or whatever. - It's also where it's not the age of followers anymore. It's the age of likes, you know, you know,

saying, we have for you pages, we're just like, I like this, like you're not thinking of following people, you know, like you're not, you're not going on your people like follow. - You don't see anybody, stuck you follow anyway.

- It's right the way. You follow the person TikTok, don't they disappear off your for you page?

“A lot of the times, like that's what happens to me.”

- Are there on your friends thing? But like, no, I'm not going to Instagram. I follow so many people and I have to like delete people and have to see, see other people.

- But we'll always be fascinated with the couples

and we'll want to follow their journeys and things like that. - Speaking of the couples, we have Vic and Christine. So all that coming from a mile away. - Yeah. - The healthiest relationship. - It's a girl I've seen on reality television.

- Beautiful.

- We're talking love as blind for Naly.

- We're just talking what we've been talking about. - The whole season in general, but I'm just like, it's again, it's interesting how these shows will end up performing people like Alex and Chris, but then it's like you have a healthy relationship

between Vic and Christine and we're like, we don't need you in Mexico. We don't need to see your actions. - There's a lot of speculation around like why, and obviously none of this is confirmed.

But like people were speculating maybe one of them didn't have a passport and travel outside of the country or other pages. - I think they just realized, like, listen, we were each other's only person.

They go, what makes the like honeymoon so entertaining is because like, oh, predated Connor and Chris, like, is she gonna see Chris and be like, oh, shit, he's kind of like cuter than I thought.

Like, oh, should I try to talk?

“That's what makes that part so entertaining.”

- And Vic for like genuine.

- Christine, yeah, we're like, we didn't really date anyone else. It was just us. So like, your producers also were like, we need to protect the people we think

will actually get married. - Yeah. - And not have them be brought in. - I mean, I don't know why it happened, but why do people care something? - Malibu, really nice place.

- Malibu, we lovely. Honestly, if someone was like, yeah, here's this person you're falling in love with, go to Malibu with them, I would be like, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, thanks your question.

Why do people care about Vic and Christine? Did you see the room? - Not why do they care about him? - I know. - Why do we get they weren't there?

- No, why do we care that they went

to their own romantic way?

- Oh, I think it's gorgeous. - We haven't seen them really throughout the season, is what it is. What I enjoyed about that is that it did kind of feel like reality, which is what the basis of this is,

that's reality TV, but they are doing their own thing. They're falling in love. They don't really need the orchestrated drama that's being created throughout with these other people to distract and bring that in their journeys.

- So it's like how them go on their own. - They'll see them, like we saw her pick her wedding dress. We saw, like, she was at the Bachelor Actress. - She got the important amount. - Yeah, yeah. - And making great reality

is all about tension and release, tension and release. - Yeah. - There was no, and listen, if I found out that Vic and Christine had a couple moments of rough patches and some really interesting discussions slash fights that they didn't show us

that they worked through and came out on top, that would be annoying, that would really frustrate with me. If all they did was it's like, have containing one the same path and we're pretty calm, normal, and just like, ended up getting married,

I saw what I needed to see. And now, we will, and for the people who are interested and continuing to follow them, you can do that. - I'm gonna. - Yeah, I love when Love Is Mine does the thing of like,

you'll have someone like an ally saying the most insane thing in the world and then the music's like, Dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun

- Wasn't he the one that was dressed like in Kackies in a, no, he had a touch. - No, no, that was his reunion love.

“- That's not, okay, that's what I'm trying to say.”

- His reunion love was like a, of Kackies and like no. - Just like a pillow or something. - It's a pillow shirt. - It was just like, we couldn't even get like five minutes

on camera without everything being a soccer and you end up. - Later, it's like, bro. - It's like, yeah, there's gotta be more to you, man. - I get that you were on a club team and I know that that was important.

- You were, he just meant to feel like, just let it go. - I do mean this from the kindest place in my heart. - He feels exhausting. - Yes.

- To not only date, but just to be friends with. - Natalie, after that, and Natalie Wedding. We're like, Ashley said what she had to say and then he walked away and him and his friends were just like, how dare she pull up like, what was the word?

Integrity or like, well, it was on her. - Like, sorry, you have been shady for the last six weeks. - Yeah, but you, I don't think he sees it. - No, no, no, no. - You're really interested, doesn't that's why

I feel like he's so exhausting because you're just the whole time. You're like, am I crazy? Like, the whole, every conversation you have with him. You're like, is this normal, are you punking me?

Do you, are you okay? - Ashley said something like that too when she was like saying no to you as a win, but then she also said something about like, - You say a lot, but I can't be around you

'cause I know being around you means I wouldn't have support or something. Like, it could be constant that. - Do you think it's because he does have this very

“untraditional lifestyle that's kind of no mad lifestyle?”

- Hold on, tell him, you're real. - No mad lifestyle. - He kind of does have a no mad lifestyle. - Continue, sorry. - He's got this mom, who loves him,

who is like he can do no wrong. And then Alex is brain. He's just decided that's his reasoning for everything.

He's kind of making, you know,

and instead of being like, you know what, I need to be more direct and more upfront, he's just like, you just don't get me. - Don't get him. - Why is he on our screens?

The man has zero stability, zero. And that is like, what this show is about, it's why they cast, to get married. - In certain places, like he lied in his interview. Like, there's no way that they would have cast

this man being like, oh, you have no home. You don't even want to stay in a while. - So you're allergic to a high-o. - Oh, no, I don't do that. - So you're gonna come on our show and represent high-o. - Oh, high-o.

- Okay, but say, rather than anywhere else, and don't you dare trap me here. - He said, oh, age, I know. (laughs) There's a video circulating of him describing his work. - Oh, it did kind of make sense, actually.

- I don't know. - Ollie saw was like one of the comments that I liked, was like, the amount of time it took for him to come up with this response, he could have just got a job. He literally, the luck it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so,

- Jack's Taylor, I like him, but he did kind of make sense. - It's like Jack's Taylor going to Florida. - The amount of jobs he's had in supposedly three years in two different continents, I'm like, so you worked everywhere for him on.

- Can I be Alex and try to call back

“what Alex did for his jobs, not for watching the clip?”

'Cause I do think he had him make sense. - Oh, I have it right here. - But, but tell me if I'm wrong, 'cause I kind of followed his words all the way.

So basically, he was working in finance,

got laid out during COVID. - He worked at a bank. - At a bank in Chicago? - Uh. - He might have made up that too. Anyway, he's working in finance.

- It was a big company. - It was a state of Chicago. - He's already inflating it. - No, he worked in finance. - I know he was an actor.

- So he worked in the finance, big company. - It finance, or he was a banker at BML. - He said for multiple years, got laid off during COVID, which we know that was a world thing a lot of people experience.

Then he found himself in Australia, and he was like, what should I do on that he woke up? - He woke up. - He was like, let me just go somewhere else. So we went to Australia, became a fisherman,

did what's the other, all the way to India? - He said COVID undid my career gave me a severance package, which led me to traveling the world. - Yes, keep part. - When travel was difficult.

So yes, I went to Australia.

I took the severance package,

and then I got jobs, plural, out there. - So the one time in the history of the world, where everyone's like, you can't, don't fall off. - You can't travel is what everyone's getting laid off. - I'm gonna travel and get a plan.

- So we're definitely cheaper back there. - They were? - Yeah. - Well then, so then his friends having a wedding that he was supposed to be a part of,

he comes back for the wedding, and he's like, oh, mine is what we'll just stay here. So now he's figuring it out. - But what was Australia? One of the countries that was super strict

and who came in and out. - But apparently, I might as go to see, I guess he said, because people are also like, how did he work in Australia? But I guess he said that he has, that his dad was a Kiwi,

but-- - Well, that's New Zealand, different countries. - So I'm like, I don't think it's the same thing. But people were like, oh, he has a passport. So I guess he can work in Australia.

- You need a visa to visit Australia. You don't need one, I don't believe. - To be a fisherman, do you need a work visa? Or you can jump in on that someone's vote. - A question.

- I feel like definitely for a casino dealer. - Also, could just be, and hear me out, a liar. (laughing) - He might be lying.

“- He might be like, has a weird relationship with the truth?”

- Maybe he's figuring out, he just forgets. - Maybe he's just an artist with the way he speaks. - He's detailed blind. - Right, he's traveling so much and so hard to keep a timeline because I could tell you

everywhere I worked in the last five years. - He's detailed blindness. - It's also like, how is he getting all these jobs with this resume? Like, aren't bosses?

Like, I don't know, dude, you don't seem very reliable. He doesn't seem like a highly motivated, so hard. - He can talk himself in anything. - I wanna see this man's W2s.

- I get it. - I need, I need, I need receipts. - Cruise. - He has detailed blindness. - I love you.

- He's lying. He's just like, I forget about the detail. - Thank God, him and Ashley are not married. - Yeah. - She ain't done with that.

- She ain't read him to bills on that. - Amber and Jordan are, are married. - Yeah. - Yeah. - You don't feel like they are.

- I don't know. - Sorry, there's just something about the whole... - The streets are saying they may not still be together. - Okay, there was something that like, the way that that whole wedding went down

the conversation with the brother, even like him like literally looking like he was gonna throw up past out and I know that that's part of like getting married, like, nerves, but I was just like, this man isn't giving like,

oh my God, I'm so nervous about to marry the love

“of my life is giving, like am I making the biggest mistake”

of my life, that's kind of the vibe I got. So let's chug a beer. - What do you said? - Yes. - But could you say no?

- Like, were you nervous before a wedding? - You can always say no. - I can, I feel like if you, I mean, if you made the decision to say yes and get married, like I guess nerves of just like day of nerves,

like is everything gonna go right. But like, I feel like these, and I guess it's because they've only known each other for it. - Yeah. - I mean, they're such a great marriage.

- Very different. - And I was also gonna say, I feel like he was kind of set up to fail in the sense of which way he was gonna go, because I'm like, normally you're not getting married

in front of someone's daughter, that's like a child.

I feel like that would be like a really weird place

to be like, no, I'm not gonna marry you, but we just have to be better dressed up in a few hours. - You would be creating trauma for a child. - Listen, I do see--

- There's a lot of people who get married who, on the day of the wedding, are very nervous.

“And I think there's a lot of engagements”

and wedding planning that are very stressful that bring out the worst in people. And I think there's a lot of people who get married when they go into their marriage are doing more fighting than getting along.

And so I think, yeah, I think that happens all the time. - Yeah. - Thankfully, we didn't experience that. - I just want the best for both of them. - Do we think Brittany and Devontay are actually

gonna continue? 'Cause that conversation is not, she seems so optimistic and it made me feel bad 'cause I'm like, I don't think he had some nice things to say about her behind her back.

- Yeah. - Also, it's just like, him, his whole bullshit thing of like, I just don't know if I can figure out how to love her. It's like, you're not trying.

You're literally not doing anything. - But also, you need to figure out how to love your partner. - Yeah, it's pretty easy to love someone and treat them well.

- I don't know. - I don't know.

- I mean, he's Felicia and here's what I want to tell you what.

- Hi. - Hi, go on. - I am empathetic to the low energy introverted men that we see on TV or just people. But I, and as someone who knows what it's like

that like, you know, the screen loves the charming people who speak in platitudes, you know, like, the edit loves those people. So I'm a little defensive of those people. And Devante came across like that at first.

But those people warm up eventually. And it's one thing for Devante to be like, you know, I'm just like a slow burn and maybe like, I'm just not as expressive. But there's one thing to not be expressive at first

and like, literally refusing to like, validate her in a way that she makes very clear that she needs validation. - Yeah. - And he just like, he never got there.

And to me, he comes across as he was selling, I'm just more introverted. I'm quiet to, I don't want to, I don't want to look bad. - Yeah. - Yes.

- And I'm going to see this through because like the guys who, you know, the Chris is, don't look good. So I'm going to see this through and I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to agree to date her.

And so that people will be okay with that. And I think he just thought, I think he, I think he edited himself. - Yep. - And I wouldn't surprise me at the reunion

if we find out that Devante didn't live up to his end of the bargain. - Agreed.

“- Do you guys remember Casey and Patrick from last season?”

- Yeah. - Different contexts, but like when they're last seen, reminded me of that last scene where like, he was, her Patrick was like, we're going to continue. I'm so excited.

I love her and then she was on her side being like, I just don't like him. - That's what I just like, I wish people would just be honest. Like I wonder why like it's like, you have no idea what you look like throughout this entire process.

Fine, but I'm like to sit here and be like, to be able to tell the cameras in interviews, I'm not interested or like I'm just not feeling I haven't gotten there. I don't have that spark, whatever it is.

Like why can't you just communicate that to her? - Stay to their face. - The one who has the wedding dress. He's like, oh, the buying the wedding dress early. - That was me, we were buying.

- Like, first of all, you knew that, sir.

She told you in the past. - Literally, and now it's weird. - Exactly, and I'm saying I'm like, you look so much worse trying to self-edit yourself to protect your image as if you're some genuine person

while breaking up with someone. Well, if you're gonna be completely honest with the interviews in the process, the contrast, jarring and then it's just like, you're just like a fake ass person. Like, I'm like, I can't root for you, bro.

- It was so optimistic. I mean, we were totally good at like, we're gonna work through this and so excited to keep like dating and then it was just like, we kind of already know as a audience. - Everyone who gets engaged on that show,

agrees to basically a trial marriage. - You're living with someone. - And getting literally married. - Yes. - But Brittany's weirdo because she came prepared.

(laughing) - Like, literally. - She read the book, she has her note. She's ready for the test and keeps like, wait, what?

- I'm so tired. - I'm so tired. - She says, you have to watch. People being put in dresses that they probably wouldn't pick for themselves, but it's the only option that the show

provides to them or rings that they probably wouldn't pick out for themselves, but it's the only option. The show provides and we're gonna shit on the person is like, well, if I get married, I'm gonna do my way. - I'm gonna have the wedding that I want.

- I respect that so much more, like, I'm gonna look bomb because I know what I tried on and what I like, I just think that's great. He's just, ooh. - We all shocked him, I said yes.

Definitely was. - No. - We're re-shocked that Mike said no. - No. - I was like that.

- Yeah, I definitely thought I'd be the other way around. - Me too. But then nobody was also crying. So I kind of was like, we're just mentally also doing something.

“Honestly, yay for them, they didn't work out,”

but there's mutual respect. - Yeah. - I want to have a couple redeeming people over it. So it's like, okay, fine, you don't want to get married. That's totally fine.

- Sure. - You still, like it doesn't have to be super dramatic or like, or mean, or like toxic. - Feel like she said yes because she knew he was gonna say no.

- I don't know. - I don't know. - It TV producing. - Could you imagine getting that wrong, though? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

“- You're like, I think you're gonna say no.”

So I'm gonna say yes. - Well, it's like, yes. - If you're like, I know I'm gonna say no, and some TV producers like listen. I mean, between you and me, you know,

this might land better for you if you get rejected. And they're like, yeah, you know what? Yeah, he's definitely not saying no. (laughing) - I'm not saying it happened here,

but in reality TV, it's... - It's a possibility. - It's a possibility. - I know, it makes you gonna tell you, yay, anyway. - Well, we do have the ring and that drops also

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- In order to we want to, yeah. - You were in our linkhouse studio. - Yes. - Now you're in our new LA studio. - Guys, I feel like I've got like every iteration of your LA studio so far.

Like a more than one that was overlooking the city. - Yeah, that was the first one. The first one and then I got the last one. And then this one y'all helped with the big corners. - You missed one, there was one in Van Eyes really.

- Oh yeah. - Yeah.

- But it's impressive, guys, it's amazing.

So congratulations. - Thank you, we have a little makeover. You are taking over, making over. - Why didn't they make it? Why didn't they name it Bachelor Makeover?

- I don't know, but Bachelor Mansion. - Bachelor Mansion, takeover on HTTV. - Which, friend of show is hosting alongside. - Tasia. - And so we have guest judges.

So hand in episode one, guest judge. And then Jesse Palmer of course is our guy, host and lead in the way. And so yeah, it was a fun show. We took over the mansion.

- So yeah, walk us through what people can expect with this show. 'Cause you're giving the Bachelor Mansion a little bit of a glow-up. - A major facet.

- Yeah, so we come in, we take over the mansion. What's really cool about this, like if you're a Bachelor Nation nerd, it kind of pulls back the curtains on what, this, what the Bachelor Mansion is.

- Kind of like the rooms. - Like yeah, you get to see the bunk rooms in episode one,

which is like, what's it was never shown?

And they showed like some of the behind the scene stuff where you see how messy these rooms and get and how crazy it is. So that's that. And like, just like little cool history course,

like the owner of the house is speaking throughout the show, which is really cool. So he gives a lot of cool history. And my favorite part being the nerd I am

and you could see like all the different paint chips from like over the years, like, you saw like red, yellow, purple, blue, like all these different stuff. - 'Cause they painted. - 'Cause they've done, for 26 years,

they just painted over. - Painted over. - Really? - Painted over. - I didn't know they painted. Why would they paint every new season?

- Well, because like, you know, if it's the Bachelor and you have the women there,

“it's like a different color scheme, different, you know?”

- Yeah, and I could be, I was like right here in this maroon area, it's like my area of making out a hand out, like a tree. You know, every area tree has the ring. - Yeah, exactly.

- Like 10 colors before was neck, you know, but there's like three seasons of it. - Wow, I don't remember what it looked like. - And you're bringing the entire cast is Bachelor Nation contestant.

- So it's all Bachelor Nation contestants. So you have Bachelor, Bachelor, Bachelor of Contestance. You have the golden Bachelor contestants. So it's fun to get them all kind of mix in with each other.

I didn't realize it, but like it has the Bachelor drama. - It does? - Yes, because people like want to get their opinion across. - Yeah. - So they're fighting about who's right, who's wrong,

who's ideas better. - And so they're pitching ideas of how to, to the class up the-- - Exactly, like, we're in this room, that when they would all be like trying,

there'd be like teams and they'd be trying to compete, like, oh, I want to do a red wall. And like they're all trying to take a color, while Sondra's over here trying to be like, what she means they're going to be like,

it is just a lot of chefs in the kitchen. - Can we look forward to some bad ideas? - Oh, yes.

“We have some great HETV judges that are from HETV world,”

that come in, and to hear them pick apart some of the designs and the critiques, like they get into it. - They humble them. - Yeah.

- All right, so we've already had one episode out now. - Yep, so episode one is out now. You can watch it back on HBO Max.

So we had our first nominations week one,

which have been controversial, because they just picked off the person who didn't vibe with the best. - Very traitorous. - Yeah.

- So who didn't they vibe with? - They kicked off Sondra, and then they kicked off Jeremy. - Jeremy from a recent period, from a recent period. - Yeah, yeah. - Sondra is a golden bachelor contestant.

- Yeah. - And it was tough to see them go. - Are you picking favorites? - So what happened was as we had two rooms, right? The bunk rooms, the guys ended up teaming up together

versus the ladies, and the ladies crushed. - Obviously. - And the ladies won. So that was before. So then they were like some skill work stuff

to do together to learn about each other, and then they asked for that. They did a personal mission, like how do they get along with each other? And so people got eliminated.

- Okay. - Yeah. - I hear, I hear. - Good. - 'Cause there's a prize at the end.

You can win money. - You can win $100,000. - I hear there's some drama with how that went down. - Yes.

Well when we first told them,

everyone about eliminations, they came after me. I'm like, guys, I'm just here to let y'all know the news, you know what I mean? - Yeah, you learn as a host. - Yeah.

- That you get, you get all the blame. You do some, you get some credit, you don't deserve. Probably as a host, right?

“Because like, do you remember like obviously”

we know the show Harrison was? - Yeah, Chris Harrison. - You know? And you're like, oh, this is, it's his show. You know, he, he probably cast it us.

- You know, he's like, he's coming to him. - It's all his idea. - And then you kind of like, once you learn, not to take any, you know, as host of our show, we, you know, we were very involved

and we appreciate being, you know, a part of the show and included, but like we are, we are here to serve the show and present to cast members in the audience what it is. And it's just like, we're like, yeah, whoa,

I didn't say I didn't, I caught all of them. - Oh, they didn't give it to the show. - No, they, they came to, they came at me and like, I was the bag and I caught it all. I mean, it was fun.

It was like, 'cause I went back, well my gosh, don't you wanna $100,000? - Yeah. - And you know, like, you, of course, you gotta eliminate each other.

First of all, you came from the Bachelor world.

Like, you gotta, you gotta eliminate it, you know? And they're like, well, this is HTTP, I was like, no, this is HTTP with Bachelor. - I should know this 'cause I haven't seen the first episode yet. Are they handing out roses?

- There's no roses. - No, there's no roses. - Yeah. - But you do, at the end of it, they go, Sandra. Stay your goodbyes.

(laughing) So there's great, like, oh, it's to what the Bachelor is throughout. - Yeah, yeah, wow. - Well, everyone check it out. But what else is going on, man?

- Stuff to go watch, you know, just back in Florida with Tate. You know, we got a lot of work on our hands. We started a tool line together, which has been fun, called Tinker. So I'm surprised you didn't call us to come Tinker,

this space and get it right for you guys. - Kind of a for you. - Yeah. Well, we have, I'm sure some Tinkering, we could have the two of you do.

We'll have you Tinker something. - Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, we started this tool line and it's all about, like, making a steadily beautiful tools and teaching people how to DIY.

So, how can people find tools? We are going to be, we're in Target. We are going to be in Sam's Club. We're on Lose.com. - So, dinners on you.

- Tim was on. - Tim was on. - Tim was on. - Yeah. - Whose idea was that yours or Tates?

- It's something that we've been wanting to do for a long time

kind of the idea that we were doing and then we started having some conversations with them and then we came to a partnership and agreement and, like, we're really excited and we're gonna kind of take this and expand on it

and go around and teach, and like, taste a perfect person for this because I feel like everyone's tired of man's planning.

“Like, let me tell you how to hang this TV, you know?”

But if Tates doing it, it looks awesome.

She's way better than I am, first of all.

It's way less intimidating when she's explaining it, you know? So, I mean, this girl's hanging up like a 75 inch TV at her house, fires, awa, was gone. - She built your entire house with her own two times. - Yeah, she does.

- So, guys, your question? I haven't been thinking about this a lot lately and reflecting with our show coming out. How long have you been together with Tate? - Two and a half years almost.

- When you think back about where you were in your life, just the whole life, what you were doing, where you were living, and then you think, how has Tate changed your life? - Hmm.

- Question. I think like an, like, measurable ways. I'm not like an, like, oh, I mean, she's just like my heart is happy. - I'm happy, I'm happy.

- Yeah, like for me, I answer that question and I'm like, I was like, I was living in Venice. Like a two bedroom bungalow on the beach. I had this show, "Briving Car." And then I was kind of like co-hosting.

And now I just look at my life and everything I have in it, you know, just to show, you know, just everything has grown exponentially. - Yeah. - Ever since I've met Natalie

and just obviously, they're just a happier and my kids. - Kids. - Yeah, which is, I don't sit down and reflect and ask myself, that's a great question to ask yourself.

And I think as I'm thinking about that, you say that my life has changed drastically so much better since she's gotten into my life. I think I'm much more hungrier and want to make bigger things happen,

whether it's in the entertainment world or you just even stuff in real estate.

“And I think a lot of that has to do with her”

and the life I want to live with her and the dreams that I have, you know, like want to build a big real estate company and do a big project back and so forth. And I want to do more within our team

and help her grow and I want her to be a star and tear designer on TV one day. But I think what you're talking about, like my life has exponentially gotten better because I was kind of just,

like you said, coasting kind of living life, kind of just like, what part of your drunk thing will I do next, you know? And no real reason, I guess, to what I was doing just kind of floating in this entertainment world,

which is, it's really easy to float in this entertainment world 'cause just wait for the next gig of the next opportunity and you're just kind of on this calendar of events that you'd go to annually, you know?

And you know, there's gonna be work and you just see what mess you get into and you laugh about it with your boys and nothing's for real. But now I was like, purpose.

I think she's created a lot. - Yeah, purpose is like a good thing. - Yeah, that's all of you. - Now I got me thinking over here, you know?

“I think she's changed my life in more ways”

than I even acknowledge or think about, you know? - Yeah, I mean, I didn't spend a lot of time thinking about. I was just like, I don't know, like, I think I like read it, like I was-- - It was in where in Mexico.

- I read something, it was like be careful who you marry, you know, because like it'll impact your life.

- Well, everyone said that's the most important

decision you've ever made. - And then I was just like, in ever since I met Natalie, you know, we've been through so much together and I, you know, just really leaned in to my relationship with Natalie, and I'm just like,

"Well, you know, it's really going great." So, you just like, magically, like, look back and it's just like, you know, and every step of the way. I mean, she's, whether it's directly, she's had so many direct impacts.

Like, and you're just being part of the show, but just like, what I've been able to do with her and as an individual. - How long did you all date before you all got married? - We got, we were engaged after two years.

- And you get it, two years? - And then we got married a year later in pregnant several months after the engagement. - Gotcha. - So, you are honestly a little behind,

and you should-- - Yeah. - And you really want to put you on. - Yeah, I mean, I did feel like a through the moment. - Well, I was gonna say, like,

it's backfire, yeah. - I could really use a headline on this interview. Like, if you could announce something, that would be-- - Well, I was to make the joke, and what's not a good joke to make, I guess.

I was like, you know, we're talking about like, everyone says, like, marrying someone

it's the biggest, most important decision

to make in your life. And I'm like, so can people get off my back for it being only two years? But I guess, nah, this is not the right crowd. - Not the right crowd.

Two years is split, dear, the time. But it is interesting to think about, like, you know, past relationships where you're just like, man, I just, like, man, we, you know, like, I just, the energy you invest in a relationship,

or, you know, like, when I was younger, you'd fight a lot with girlfriends or whatever, and this is like, you, and when you think about this decision, I don't know, something that's like your mind, you know, it's interesting to think about, like,

how your life has actually changed since you met that person. And do you feel like your brother had them when you were? - Yeah, I think I've definitely, because of her,

you know, start more businesses and try harder things and make myself exhaust myself more

“and better in ways to financially benefit ourselves”

in our future. So she's definitely like, a leading motivation to that. - 'Cause if it doesn't work out for you and Tate, you're gonna have to go on edge of attraction. - Yeah. - We are, yeah.

- What I did up or down. - It's really up to you. - It's really up to you. - Yeah, it's really up to you. - Right, I'm a tweeter. - You can actually meet someone you're rich.

- You know, there are no rules. - Yeah. - We don't force anyone, but we allow the opportunity. - So you guys excited about this? - Oh, this is huge.

- No, of course, it's cool. - I'm trying to bring expectations. - Yeah. - I'm excited. I think it's really good.

- And Natalie is a star. She really shines. Like, you know, you've seen me on TV, people know what they're getting from me. It's fine, you know.

But as a host, she's, like, like the way you think of tape,

I've always thought, now I have a certain.

- In a sequa, in a sequa, about her, you know, a presence? - I also say, you know, French is more... - You kind of have that dim in your charm. - Oh, I'm a redneck, but in French.

- Yeah, I was just gonna say, "Wow." - It is like, "Wow, I'm a lot from Georgia Girl." I'm just a tri-hard who has, you know, is willing to share an opinion now and then. And when it comes to relationships, obviously,

I'm very into that. But it's been fun to see Natalie really, really shine in these moments and she looks great on camera. I'm always like, "I think it's gonna be good." - It was really fun to do together.

And I'm sure, I mean, like, you did your show with tape, the Amazon Prime one? - Yeah. It's interesting doing, you know, being, again, being a host, because, you know, you're part of the show.

You're not the focus of the show. You're not, you know, you're not even what the show's about. Even when you're part of it, like, it's not you,

“it's, you need to not be in it, you know,”

so you need to allow things to happen. - You're not here, though. - So it's like, on Bachelor Mansion, take over. Like, when they were fighting, where you ever present it to wherever like,

"Oh, this is good, like, keep it going!" - Oh, no, and you're like, you're like a viewer sitting in, it's like being on, you know, in the last TV show. - It's live TV, you're just watching this unfolding, you're just like, "This is good, this is great."

- That's a great feeling though when you're hosting or doing something, and you're like, watching it, and you're like, "Thrilled and fired up." Like, I can't believe this is working out, the way it's working out, like, this is unreal.

- It's like, this is good. - Yeah, then you're like, "I hope they just cut that perfectly." The way I see it, I'm right here. - Oh, I know. - Yeah, and, say, it was fun, we're excited.

- All right, ma'am, thanks for telling me, man. - Of course. - Anything else you want to put out there or bring proclamations or any proclamate? - Well, today, I'll stay in to it, you know,

say it again, I love you, Tate. - No.

“- What are the chances that you get a prognet?”

- Yeah, yeah, it was like, more likely you get

prognet or get engaged first.

- Is it AI article today that we're prognet? - Oh, thank you. - Yeah, I love that. - This is a Facebook link, yeah. - I got, that says to me, by a lot of my family members.

- Well, after we did, we announced to Nali, it was pretty much twins. There was an AI article with two people who looked like us, but, well, actually, they didn't look like us at all. But, a guy had a beard and hair.

- And hair or not. - And there was a brand of woman. - And a baby, it was like an AI version, that wasn't great. - Great, you know. - Yeah, no, I shall kill me if we get prognet

before getting married. - Before we go, remind people how where they can watch Bachelorette Manchin take over. - Yes, tune in every Monday night at 8 p.m. on H.G.T.V. or HBO Max.

- Or HBO Max, the next day. - Next day. - Yes. - All right, Beverly Hills. - Beverly Hills.

- Did you see your friend, friend of FOS, friend of show, friend of life? - Brad Grasky. - Brad Grasky. - And the drama.

- He is in the comments. - He's in the comments. - He's in the comments. - She called her experience with some bad apples triggering. Triggering, I've had the best in the world who are like family,

but it also goes the other way.

She said, it's the hardest job to fill always.

And then Brad replied to that Instagram post and said, triggering for the assistance as well. Taylor, Jill, Jordan, Tara, me, and then he tagged all of them. And then Jordan replied to his reply, accurate. - Which is funny, 'cause he was just on Watch What Happens Live.

And I feel like Andy asked him about Rachel and he was so like buttoned up and like, no, no, - I mean, over the years, he's been pretty buttoned up about it. Brad, he had, I mean, he was on Rachel's...

- Rachel's no project. - Yeah, he also then has his own show. - I mean, I didn't watch a ton of around TV back then, but I watched that show, and I was, you were a Brad, it was Brad was the star.

And then they had a breakup and Brad got his own show, it's Brad Brad World. And so yeah, he definitely made a name for himself. And then a lot of the drama between Rachel and Brad was, in 2011.

- Was centered around the accusation

and one of which is known as the iconic to me more. - He still works with today. - Ooh, he still works with today.

“- Today, I found, I happen to find an article.”

- Well, this is an interview, I don't know, it's a WWD, Women's Wear Daily. In recent years, Garski has been helping her hit the mark being of Mr. Me. - More met Garski in 2008, when he was a young assistant,

and she wants to set the record straight. Despite recent reports, her longtime collaborator and friend did not steal her away from her previous stylist, previous being Rachel's up.

He rescued her at a critical moment.

- This is to me more, he says. His previous employer was supposed to prepare me for Sundance and call two days before, and says she couldn't do it. And I would use, Brad, said more.

- I mean, that'll 100% make you not. If your stylist cancels on you two days before an event and you, like-- - Your stylist is already becoming a household name herself and busy and going to opportunities.

You're just like, you're too busy. - But I'll say like, that's not just like an event. Like, it's like one night, like Sundance, she's gonna need multiple outfits throughout a weekend. Like, what are you talking about?

- And then you meet Brad and you just like, Brad comes, he saves the day, he's got his energy and his, it's like, yeah, are you kidding? I'm gonna stick with Brad. - Not that I am an expert in being styled,

but I've been styled before, I've been styled by Brad. And I feel like being styled, the best stylus have that perfect balance of knowing what you feel comfortable in. You know what you like and love,

but pushing your boundaries is a little bit. - Yep, thinking of that balance. - Nick and I just got styled, obviously, for this upcoming week for age of attraction press. So we have some looks that we're serving.

- Ooh. - Madly's interesting. - So do you, you're very, he's giving, kind of like Jacobalorty Ryan Gosling that. - So we need to get you like a big thing.

- He's giving my Tom Ford St. Laurent, like, very... - I'm here for that, that's in.

“- I think you'll have, let me know what you think.”

- I think you will really like it, Justin. - But in this service industry, make a artist, hair stylist, whatever stylist, when you say you stole the client, I mean... - There's no such thing.

- No, you have someone like someone else's work better. - You're not even under contract with the stylist, like it's like it's a free choice, and it's free life. - It's not a live contract.

- A good example of, like, current stylist changes as Marguerabi with, she went from the Barbie aerosols to the theme, that to the transformation with whoever is styling hair for weathering hides. Like, it's just a matter of, like, taste and era.

Like, it doesn't always need to be, like...

- People can do, you can work with multiple people, but I think the best part about this story is, so the article that talked about their feud, re-igniting references when it was happening in 2011 and what they were saying.

So, in a two-thousand episode of a reality series, Zoe Q's Girl Eski of Going After Clients, within a week of leaving, he had started to pursue our clients, going to all of these events and doing things that...

She said he had no interest in. And then later that year, Girl Eski denied those allegations against him in an interview,

“I think it's unfortunate that she decided”

to take the angle that she did because it's not the truth. It's unfortunate that all of the time I have spent with her and that the many lengthy conversations we had discussing my departure from working with her,

that she would choose to character assassinate me on television. That's not the truth. He added of her client stealing claims, and she knows that's not the truth. I didn't even say goodbye to a lot of her clients

because I didn't want anything to be misconstrued as me soliciting anybody. - Also, the conversation usually goes like this. Oh, what are you doing now? Oh, I went on my own.

- Really? - Oh, my God. - Oh, that's looked together. I mean, it's called, I mean, that's something that I choose to have. - Yeah, I actually really love working with you.

You're a lot of fun. - It's a great question. - It's a great question. - Can I read my favorite part? Of this, which is the end? - It says, the two have remained unfriendly over the years,

despite Goreski's various claims

that his door is always open of Zones to bury the hatchet.

Most recently, Zones made her stance on the prod spec clear when she revealed in January that a major reason she decided to quit styling was because she couldn't trust assistance. I think after being completely betrayed

for lack of a better term in various ways by enough assistance and not being able to trust them with my clients and stuff to represent what I do and how I am with my clients. It just wasn't worth it anymore.

- I mean, I did buy two of her feature frames from home, good to hear you. - I love Rachel's house. - Oh, my sister, so my niece's baptism, I was home over the weekend for it.

And my sister had literally gotten her Rachel's outfits and they were so cute and I went, "Oh, that's right." - And this particular feud, I'm not seeing where she's coming from. I feel like she's the one who keeps perpetuating this.

I mean, doing that interview and shitting on all of your assistance. I mean, that allowed Brad to respond and tag all of it because she was like, yeah, well, she spun it in positivity

as a previous assistant, you're kind of like,

wait, that's like a different recollection of what happened. - But it's an intimate relationship. If you start sending your assistant on a regular basis to work with your clients, who do you think they're going to get comfortable with?

If you're just like, then it's not like a fashion brand.

“But I think like the big part that we're all leaving out”

especially Rachel herself is that I was like, she's already become the celebrity who gets styled at this point. So it's like you're not walking away from styling because like, oh my god, I can't trust anybody. It's like almost like beneath you at this point.

You're the one that's being styled. Like you're not going to be styling somebody else. Like, and she already is a celebrity at this point has her own shows, like has a name for herself. You probably are annoyed that people are calling you

asking you to pick out their outfits for them. So why do you think she is calling out her assistance and accusing them of, I mean, the Braval audience is saying that Rachel Zoes is a blessing to this cast because she knows how to produce reality TV.

Like she's actively as she's doing interviews and on the show building her storylines. - Well speaking of, we had a big nothing burger of an episode. - I love Beverly Hills.

- You felt like it gave? - Every episode.

I'm just like, you know what, I appreciate the little bits

here and there of like more detail. - Okay, well we do have a rapid recap in case you missed. The most recent episode of the Braval Housewives Beverly Hills Rachel Zoes tells her son not to buy just any girl air-mess

and also that their dad's girlfriend sucks. Also, Doreet is happy to say that Operation Hampton's parent trap went well and her and Kyle are cool again. Actually, cut that Doreet found out Kyle said she was a radic friendship over again.

Amanda's getting married and for sure spending a lot of money on it. Her husband is entering on a horse and she's coming in on a helicopter. 'Cause that's normal and she's also paying for all of it.

So don't forget that she's paying for everything. Kyle and Erica went to check in on Doreet Mentally which can only go well. So Sutton has decided to room with Amanda on their girl's trip to Villa Biblioni

and Twin Beds because she's nice. This is basically that episode of Sweet Life is Zach and Cody, we're London and Maddie. Room together. Also Doreet is late for the plane

and Kathy Holden's iPad is a Nashville apparently. - I had so many questions from this episode. - What questions do you have? - Why did we stagger the private jets? How much were the three private jets?

- It was supposed to be in. - It wasn't private and both explained why. Because she didn't want the drama. - I get that but I'm just like why we're Kathy and them on the third one

but I couldn't be on the second one. - Did you learn nothing from Meredith Marks? - I guess. - We're gonna bring these women up and nothing interesting is gonna happen.

- I just, I feel like all of a sudden we were just going on another girl's trip. - I was like, what did this come from? - Yeah, I was that one that I could come you know. I thought we got back.

- Exactly.

- They never did anything.

- They didn't even eat the caviar that was on the table. I don't know, maybe I'm focusing on the rules. - What I do have a question of and me and Sierra were talking about this before recorded was it showed us Villabibliani

and it said, however many acres, however big those hundreds of thousands. - It's gorgeous. - It's gorgeous. - Nine bedrooms.

- Maybe 13 bathrooms. - How many women do we have? - That's gorgeous. - How many women? - Why are they sharing a room?

- And why are they both in twin beds? - They needed a scene. - Because they needed a scene. - There's very much a-- - Zero chance they actually stuck in that room together.

“- No, well I think Sutton is really trying to take”

the role on TV of Mentor. - Tints are a question. - She's trying to jack Donniegy. - We have eight people including Natalie, who's the friend of. - Right, so Sutton could have had her own room.

- There's an extra room. - You could push those two beds together. Make a full size. - We could have been a butlers room or like, you know? - They're showing in the bars.

They don't like the downstairs rooms all out of the time. - For the storyline. - I did love Sutton being like the last time I slept in a twin bed was when I gave birth. Did my child bed?

- They must be in the hospital, yeah. - In this episode of Watching a Man of Planner Wedding really made it, me appreciate ours. - First of all, 350,000? - Helicopter?

- I will say it's shocking how easy it is to spend money. - I believe it. - I believe it. - The helicopter I'm confused

because everything's blowing away. Literally, like everyone's like hair is now the table or pedals falling out of the helicopter. - Well the horse not be scared of the helicopter. - Well that was her husband.

- Man is the man of us, her hair not blowing from a helicopter. - Well of course she doesn't care about any of her guests. - No, I have the vision. The helicopter is like an acre away.

So you see her come down and then she writes the horse or whatever to the rest of the day. - Her husband was on the horse. She was not a part of the horse equation. And the horse is supposed to be like walking them

to the reception where like, do you imagine stopping in your heels behind a horse shitting? - The horse and the helicopter are two completely separate concepts in the wedding. - You've been to a lot of weddings.

I mean, obviously, you're seeing her shop for China. - Yeah. - Oh, pretty. - No, it was.

- No, it was, obviously, pretty and clearly like expensive, but like... - Just extra. - It seems like so much an extra.

“- Like I don't remember what we ate off of”

at Sarah and Wells' wedding. - No, but that's not to tell you. - But that's not to tell you. - Or ours. - No, absolutely, or ours.

I don't. But that's what I'm saying. Like I mean, I feel like a lot of this is like for show but then it's just kind of like again.

So like whatever it's gonna take for it to be the perfect day

for you. I just don't think a lot of people require that I've been to some very stunning weddings that are probably high up there on the budget and nobody needed to cascade down from a helicopter

to prove shit. - No, you know.

“- That's what it does feel very like I have to prove”

that I'm the money magnet that I am the money cleaning cap. - I just feel that. I do see the vision of the helicopter. - You see the vision. - How do you see the vision?

- I don't care if she comes out looking like blasted by the wind.

I just see the idea for him like for him being blasted.

- No, that's something that she's like an acre away. - You can watch her come down. - A acre? - Not actually. - But then she has to. - I take a golf course. - Yes. - You have to take a golf course.

- You can skip that part of the world. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I was just not like making an epic because they're just like, oh my god, it's taking her so, oh, I think it done here. - I just saw extra for no reason.

I think I just love the idea.

“- She said they're gonna be like, oh no, there's the helicopter.”

Oh wait, the helicopter's landing. Oh my god, the bride's getting out of it. I'm like no one's saying that because they're all like, oh my god. Oh my god, there's stuff flying around. - Oh my god, oh my god. - I would still be like, love it.

- And she did say she wanted her like boss lady alone. - Boss lady moment. - I guess it gives boss lady. But it definitely, like, you don't think, you don't think helicopter and go romance sexy love.

- No, I like to think of her cascading down. Like from like, like, you know how they have a little like draw ropes or whatever. Like she's like being hovered down. But then it's like, I just think of like just in Timberlake

and friends with benefits when he's like under the helicopter. They're just being blown around.

Like, I'm like, there's just no way that this is gonna come off second.

- And like, she's in her wedding dress, a veil.

“I can't imagine a veil and a helicopter, you know what?”

Like just wearing the veil. (laughing) - Love the occasion. - Maybe she's gonna do, she's gonna do like a slick back, drop it up, pull it down.

- No, what she needs to do is she needs to do a little kill bill moment where she's like in a tight little cat suit and then she gets out the elevator so nothing's moving. She then unzipped wedding dress. That's, there's--

- One zips the cat suit. - Yeah. - To reveal the wedding dress. - Man of the same magic. - So look at that.

- Halloween, man of the same magic. - Man of the same magic. - In storage for you. - Yeah. - I see the vision.

- Yes, because then guess what? Someone's gonna meet her with a steamer. - Steam that girl. - Okay. - We're not gonna see it.

It's gonna be behind the helicopter. Then she's gonna come out of the helicopter. Look perfect. You know, movie magic can exist in real life. - I should have talked.

I want to go to this wedding so bad. Do we see the wedding in the-- - I see. - I don't think-- - No word, 2027. - 10, 10, 26.

- I don't know how you missed that. - 10 times. - 10 times. - All right, well that will do it for us today. Thank you to our guest, Tyler Cameron, and Teresa, one of the new stars of the hit show,

Age of Attraction, that is available on Netflix tomorrow. March 11th. And don't forget, going deeper this Friday, don't miss it. And see you then.

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