E1092 - Age Of Attraction Premiere with Derrick and Andrew, Love Is Blind Reunion with Alex & Summer House

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We do have age of attraction press today excited. Next. Bring a tie I'm wearing a time. I'm going for the Like college professor. No, that's not college professor. No high school teacher. No, it's giving like why a cell like modern business college school. It's giving why a cell interpretation of a high school teacher who teaches history and also could Disocard. Yeah, I'm like. It's a why a cell interpretation. Exactly. Yeah. I'm not high school history teacher that is a part-time model

Yeah, I got one modeling gig. Uh-huh. Did you tie the tie yourself or is this a clip on my got it. That's a clip on And I said it as someone who wears a clip on I can't tie myself the clip on who's just more it's embarrassing for any man He doesn't know how to tie it or a bow tie especially in the year of the Lord 2026 given that you could do the YouTube But what are some basic skills that men have lost that they shine their polishing a shoe Should worry holding doors open this man. I just got on the elevator with it today this morning was so fucking weird

He gets in the elevator after me. I hit the button and he walks in like a what button would you like? Oh my god You're like oh and then hits it, but it was just kind of like this weird like when such a thing Good morning. Yeah, like it's so just thing like good morning. Hi like whatever like it was just very like See here on my biggest activator is when you're trying to exit the elevator in the second doors open Some of them shoved their way in and it's like up just come and courtesy. I feel like it's just gone out the window honestly a lot

A lot All right, when I know we're gonna jump into some age of attraction shortly, but just a couple of housekeeping notes

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And all the shows that we're talking about on reality recap. I did return to this update plus seven didn't know why all the Nick and I handled this one. I was out of town suggest him pop back in. Yeah, it's good update deep dive We talked more about love is blind so that'll be our last love is blind deep dive We'll be moving on to other shows

“Maybe age. So definitely check that out if you want to hear from the host of age of attraction”

Maybe some behind the scene the really great place to do that on wild wild plus we also have the Mormon wives came out today Is out today. Yeah, I look forward to watching that. Did you guys see I haven't watched yet But I did see the new intro. Have you guys seen it? I feel like every time I do this I'm like what are the logistics of actually making these shots and maybe it's moving magic in its all green screen But I choose to believe it's real that they're walking through this massive field of like up yellow weeds or whatever

And then it's like the blue road of like fabric that they're walking down

You'll get it. Just like all green screen. Yeah, well, I showed. I've never lost

I know they did with the water hair. Wow. Yeah, I know that I'm choosing to believe it's real Because then you also see that like Taylor they're all standing there and then Taylor's the one person on this like massive swing standing there

It's gonna get more and more fascinating and I feel like I've seen a couple like sure, you know like part of their press tour

“And I think part of the theme of this season is like you know these women are now. We're in season four when you know season one”

It was like it was we knew about mom talk. You knew about the scandal There was a lot of optimism and excitement, you know the women came into the studio like having all like watched the bachelor and you know You know these women are all huge stars now. You know all of them are stars But they're not necessarily all in the same kind of level, right? And we you know and there's gonna be a lot of competition

They all have their own publicist and reps and managers and they're all getting these different opportunities It it's like so much of the show now. I feel like is how these women manage that competition and Does it will it affect the relationships and the competition behind that because it's like a very Consent-traded way of like just the whole influence or space in general of like just how cut-throat it can be And if you see someone get an opportunity that's like, you know

Similar following similar like brand you realize it or like that person was chosen over me, you know And and how do they start managing or you know those expectations and and will it affect the relationships of all these women?

“Well, that's why I brought up the intro because it's like you have all these people that are like major stars”

Already on the round standing below and then you have like tailor Literally above everybody swinging on a swing, which is a reference to like those swinging scandals I've started all of this mom top drama. So like they're returning and the teaching the original stuff They're big enough to do that now. It's also interesting too to see like how they're gonna keep everything together Because it's like we know that Jen moved to LA so she's out here, and then you got like permanent

Wait, they're tellies to have very after dancing for the stars. They have a house out here because I think Zach's doing work out here Something so she's chasing acting. I know waiting to use still with Chicago's and New York So that's why I'm like it's very interesting to see how just like with all of their friendship dynamics and trying to keep everything together because at least it was like a you know small group of friends from Utah and now it's like what was this filming during? This should be the dancing with a star as well as last season was then interviewing for the show

Yeah, so then yeah, this season will be Whitney and Jenna and Ella. I did see Whitney with dinner view Talking about her opening night and that all of the women showed up for it

Which I thought she was like it was just incredible because obviously they're them to be able to like show up

Yes, I hope Mormon wives continues forever. I already saw all that they released some of the titles of the episodes and one of the episodes is Taylor and Chase So like we kind of saw glimpse of that last season. I guess see more of it now Didn't he like just get his like fifth to do you either he didn't show up to court You guys the toxic part of me

“I'll keep hate you can DJs. I think it's the girl from Florida and me that I see Chase and I'm like that's a man”

I'm just like hoping that the Taylor and she's up a so just like her being like oh my god I know we kind of entertained something, but I'm gonna go film the back I was gonna say we already know it's time to go anywhere So yeah and and back to like them being friends. They're all friends and they're all friendly But even friends can be competitive and then it's again like

How much of friends do they remain versus how much of competitors do they become will be the most interesting part of like the trajectory of this show And will they be able to like you know and again, there's no clear answer like sometimes You're Steve Carell and you're like hey I've outlive the office and it works out You know your George Clooney on ER and like you bet on yourself and you become a huge movie star other people have made that choice

And it didn't work out you know and so there's no like clear answer, but it's fascinating to see When people think it's the right time for them to like that they've outgrown the thing that made them the star And do they make that do they make the right bet is at the right time, you know versus like You know maybe it's a little too early or maybe they don't have it, you know It's you know and this show these women are just all massive stars and the show is huge

But like I'm sure all of them to some degree want to see what success

What sustainable success they can get outside of the show. Oh, I got to say his mom talk will always survive

Well, we have a great episode lined up for you all today. We have Andrew and Derek two of the men from age of attraction You will love them. They are hot and glowing ages you are a little all be shocked They've done the work. They've done the work on their hearts. We also have pellets from love is blind Answering or not answering some questions offering clarity and some confusion Still more work to do yeah

Still lots of work to there, but age of attraction yeah, well

Very

“One daddy's the daddies literally. Oh age of attraction”

Mr. Andrew and Mr. Derek join us to talk about a little bit about their experience We don't want obviously we we want most of you guys to watch it It's maybe somebody who binge it, but we didn't have the love is blind reunion sound

Can't expect you guys to watch too much TV last night, but we'll talk about the first episode of age of attraction as well as get into the ringing of love is blind

We also have another fantastic episode of summer house to break down It's not all the TV that we watch. No, it's not there's more there's more there's southern house fatality I haven't tapped into that yet, but I'm it's seen the streets are saying it's really good I would say that it was a pretty explosive season premiere I also think with bander pump reboot people are noticing that southern hospitality which they were saying before

“It's closer to original vander pump and the reboot is actual vander pump. Yeah, I think I feel like in a I feel like the”

You know, maybe it's because it's in LA and I think a lot of people they're kind of seeing an LA or just Influencers and influencers. They moved here for a hope and a dream and it feels like the southern hospitality people are True reality TV stars in the sense that they're like just whatever I need to do for the bit Maddie Reese the DJ. She's been on tour this entire time and I love that when she came back to like film Southern hospitality. She's like I just got back from a 40 city tour like I'm exhausted like I'm home

Like as if it's like okay, you're about to film the most dramatic reality TV show. She's because uh calm We'll get into it. I was so many thoughts Native attraction. I got I watched it. I watched the first episode y'all very impressed First of all the backdrop of their speed dating absolutely gorgeous where y'all filmed yeah um second of all Product us and with everything in my being I don't think I've ever gone so into just like screaming at the television

“Being like I hope it gets chosen. He has a smolder. Did you notice his little like smolder that he does?”

He does have a smolder. Yeah. He's a definition of like daddy. Yeah, you know. He's got this. He all made me root for a man But he's like fit but also like dead about yeah, but there's like a sadness in his eyes. Yeah. Yeah. Very humanizing Yeah, he needs a hug. He's the sweetest way on ever. Is that how you like your man lost all hope? No, but I'm just like I like him on TV like that I've been missing. We're okay. They tell me if he did. Yeah

Maybe just need to let him out. Yeah, he specifically said something that I've never heard before and this is just because I'm younger. I think but he said like

When you reach a certain age, and you don't have kids, it's seen as like Not a red flag, but he just said people like question it. Sure. I mean as you get older Whether you don't have kids or you have a couple failed relationships There's definitely the what's wrong with you. You know like why haven't you been able to land this plan yet, you know He said maybe someday it'll happen maybe not

It's gonna happen for you. No, it was so heartfelt that you're like Is he acting? No, I didn't mind if I went out for him the entire time. I know he wasn't acting. He's just like fan favorite for me And I'm like, oh my god, is the now gonna pick him or forehead? I don't know, but I really hope he gets big I was bummed one of the I'm curious what people are gonna think of Aaron. She chatted with Tristan the one with the hair She's older. Let's talk about the two of them. I discovered Tristan is like an influence on Instagram. That's not shocking

Like I just like was scrolling through and I was like wait, this looks like the guy from the episode and I was like oh my god This is literally him because then he posted his casserole. Oh, yep. He travels a little world and I see him before he's the one who in the trailer was like if you're not as hot as my mom

I won't marry you and then his mom commented being like that's my son and then he called it being like hope my mom never sees this

So as soon as he came on camera and said that his sexual awakening was to Kim Solziac in that parking lot I was like oh, we're making TV baby. I was like this is a TV show. Okay. I sat I sat my ass out and I listened to what he came on the screen. He's like we gotta send that to Kim Yeah, yeah, true. Yeah, Kim you gotta you gotta look it out by the way Teresa is awesome Like having her in the studio the other day. She's such a kind sweet badass her energy

Just completely lights up a room and watching her and John just hit it off was really really sweet It like watching their their lot like you're like I was like giddy on the couch I was like oh my god like watching her I like I feel what she's feeling I'm Prince Harry looking for my Meghan Markle. You think it would be kind of a cliche, but And she got it up. I did have brown hair on the literally she's perfect. I she's a star on screen

Oh my god, and then he's like wait for a reel. She's like no, not it He said what but what do you do for work? What do you do for her? He said well girl

Damn, is it what do you do for work? Basically it's the same thing. It's the same question. It's ballpark

It's what do you make it's like what's your status? Yeah, you definitely might have some follow-up questions because there's some bad and poor lawyers out there And I'm going to play, but she's a boy or it's like what kind of lawyer? Pro bono. It's like oh Jordi, we love that though. They could say talent. That means more than one thing curveball curveball you guys did say nothing's off limits other than your age so

“I did really like Nick Natalie when you guys opened the retreat like I thought that was really cute because I think I like when the”

hosts aren't dominating it, but you guys are the example of what you're trying to do in this retreat So I don't know it was good. We've told the story, but we were like you know hi we're Nick and Natalie And you know we are 18 years apart and everyone clapped and it was like they did yeah

Oh my god, we're like that has never happened to you guys? No, did you know what you were saying going up to like that

specific moment like did you have like a breakdown speech of what you wanted to say about yourself or was it kind of just like Let me say our three senses that makes sense. We didn't go in wing it. That's the owner. Yeah, it definitely is not like Hey, just go talk. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean like our job as hosts is to be that middle ground between like Giving cast information about what they're supposed to do next. We're also at the same time Speaking to the audience and you know and kind of setting up the next scene. So did you guys get

Tockily watch the speed dating or did you walk in and then walk? Yeah, no, don't we were the first full day We hung on we were there all day. That's cool. We were watching all the people dating and was it kind of like in your favorites Could you actively hear every single conversation or was it kind of like you're poking around and we're in like the control room for a lot of it And they were kind of like bouncing You know different conversations and so like listening in on this you know there's producers everywhere listening to every conversation

Right, and then they're like oh This person's interesting click in and so like executive producer would click into that conversation and listen to it So you got the director in our run our David Freeman the executive producer and then Rebecca and Jen the executive producers the creators of the show You know, they're all watching right and so there's there's various moments, you know when they go into the kind of Confessionals, you know, they're watching that they're like picking up on certain dates

There's about they're bouncing around and trying to find like cool moments like it immediately I knew Libby was a star. Yeah Yeah, Libby you mentioned Taylor Swift. I was like she's one for the people when the guy she was talking to was like yeah I really love Was he said Desperado by the Eagles yeah, and then she's like

I love Taylor Swift. I was like well, you know like I'm David and she's like that's my dad's name. He's like do you like your dad?

“Yeah, I do think there's an important note given that I think people should know”

You know because we got to see John and Trees that go into the promise room at the end of episode one They didn't fall in love in a day. Great. So the way we we shot it, you know all the promise rooms are happening At the same phase, but very like love is blind, right like as we as we've watched over the years, you know

They'll always show like an engagement at the end of episode one and then at episode two and things like that

And then when we get to talk to casserole he's talking about even on the show They're talking about this kind of like they're talking about proposal there. Uh-huh Right, it all happens on the same day. Yeah, and I only point it up because I don't think I don't want people thinking that like John and Trees are like not didn't take the time to get to know each other and actually spend some you know go on these dates and and in the days that let let up to It's like it was like a couple weeks

That first phase of the show. Now obviously like we want to see John and Trees says so like they're gonna showcase You know this couple You know because obviously again so much of the show is to explore these age differences You know to see someone like Treesa this kind of youthful beautiful woman who's like out there working and you know

“We don't know our age yet, but we we know she's older, right?”

We just don't know how old dating this guy who you know clearly younger than her But they clearly have this instant strong connection and it's you know it's fun to watch I was gonna say what I on really fun was that I don't know the ages either That's kind of like we're blind to the experiment as well and we're also guessing we're just as the audience forced to watch it I just just pure connections and then find out with them. No, I'm definitely glad they did it that way

I know there was obviously there was like a conversation about how should we should the audience be in on it You know like or should the audience also not know and it'd be a shock for everybody and I'm so glad

I had first thought they maybe should show the ages, but they definitely made the right call

“I like it better too because then it makes like little context clues stick out a little bit more like for example”

Teresa and John having that conversation about a league of their own and then he was like she's like have it on it's in it And he was like oh my god Their own is one of my fair When she said you have a lot to learn or I have a lot to teach you that was so hot I was like by the way Mary would throw everybody off in this experiment because she would know all the old

her friends and I can like the young and old people be like what is any of this stuff you guys if I walked into that swore a If there is some people they're ready to make some drastic lifestyle changes I think I could do pretty well I mean that's actually really good for season two. They should cast someone like Mary It's like an old soul who's really young but knows so much more about any six-year-old than everything about current day

Pop-girls. Yeah, yeah a steep but also a Dylan and pink pantherists really have a lot in common. If you think about it Okay, I think they'll be like how Oh

You want me to be a question mark. You'll never know and my glasses. They're not helping me out

What did you think of Jorge referring to himself as P. K Passers K I want to be good. Yep. May you are a P. K. I am. Have you ever referred to yourself as a P. K? Not I have never referred to myself as a P. K. I think a lot of other people around me and in my family did And I was always in term. Oh, okay. Passers K

How old do you think Jorge is? More than 10 years older than Venao. He's skipping my 52 53 What did you think of Justin and Venao's kiss? The picnic table the Stop looking at me like yeah, I'm feeling good. You like a kid I was a swore because then he's calm in that moment

“Makes it harder. Yeah, that's why he like has like levels to him that I very much appreciate right he's super vulnerable”

He's super honest with like how he's feeling and like what about himself But then it's like he has like this moment where it's like all of a sudden this like unassumed swag came out and he was just like I don't look at you. No, no, no, no. I was like that's the kind of like gustow I want to see from like a nice guy You know, they're just not enough out there. I feel like John and Theresa's first kiss was smooth too He was like I'm just gonna go for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like it especially her she loves you love that

Yeah, she's like thank you. Don't make me do anything Well, we are excited to see you guys watch more episodes over the weekend, but right now we have two of the Datties of age of attraction Andrew and Derek are with us to talk about their Initial experience on the show now some of the things that you might hear in this interview will be referenced in the first five episode So a bit of a spoiler if for those of you who don't want to

Know too much about their ages or or who they end up connecting with but Andrew and Derek I'm next

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Thanks for having us. How are you guys doing? I'm going to be here. Well, we've been asking everyone obviously we've been talking to the whole cast kind of like the reasoning behind going on the show Obviously it's a different approach Something a lot of people may or may not have ever done before. So I guess Andrew what made you want to do age retraction So it was the opportunity they kind of fell into my lap. I didn't really go out seeking it And it was just like a really good time in my life like it was a time where I was

“Abled to step away from my business and I think it was also just like a timer. I was like looking for something like I was looking for a”

Life experience something different. I was single at the time again I was able to step away from my business and I just feel like everything just kind of came together And was like okay, this is a good opportunity. Why don't you go take it and see what happens? There for you. Yeah, same it wasn't opportunity to let my lap. I um I've dated like all ages So having a conversation and like this is kind of right up my alley. It should be somewhat natural

And I did want to step outside my comfort zone a little bit as well. I've been in a year single Not really pressing today and I'm like this will probably be a good opportunity You know that experience maybe meet someone. We'll see. I go so well both of y'all have kids You both have two two girls two boys. What was kind of the reaction of like Baby mama's

We're gonna go on this show It's crazy

“People I watch it on Netflix. Yeah, yeah, where they supportive or was it kind of like, you know what do you the thing?”

Yeah, so my oldest son's mom like we have a gray relationship and it's he's 16 like we've been Just like buddies for over a decade, right? So my youngest son's mom. She was like back and forth So she's like yeah, great go do it and then I would get like a slick comment here like great You want to go get married I was gonna have a step mom

I'm like where is this coming from you know, but ultimately she was supportive. It's important. Yeah, you have a good relationship

Yeah, we have a good relationship I mean, I think she was as supportive as she could be given the circumstances She's like, I'm not signing you up. Yeah, I'm not gonna be speaking on your behalf Funny story. I put her as my emergency contact She called yes, and they called her thinking she was my sister and she was nice enough to be like I'm not

Let me pass a long of your numbers to you, so

“Yeah, but no, we have a gray relationship and do I think she'll watch a show?”

I don't know. I don't I don't think that she will

but she's always been super supportive of me and my dreams and

business ventures and this but Do I think she'll watch I'm not sure about that. Okay. You guys are like my fellow age ambiguous people, you know, we're it's like How do you do you know You look shockingly Yeah, somebody said a plastic surgery

Well, I can say from personal experience get ready For the opinions about why you look the way you do that have nothing to do with your genetics or more Surprising and yes people will take care of yourself We'll have a lot of crazy things to say, but God forbid a guy has a good skin care room

My canvas but what was your dating life like prior to going on this show and specifically I imagine you guys have both dated a younger women prior to this show and I'm just curious You know Andrew we got to see like when you found out about Libby's age you kind of had a Oh, not again kind of response. So I you know, I guess back to what my original question like what were you hoping for And did you assume that you might end up dating younger women or like what was your mindset going in and then I'm curious like I mean

I went in like super open-minded But I also too probably in the back of my head why it kind of took me a little bit to get there was that I was hoping to maybe

And then you end up falling with my history previously

It was a little rocky I guess to to say like kind of updated younger and older I think what you get with younger sometimes is You're not at the same place in life. You're not at the same place Emotionally, but then with the older what I've found is it's kind of like a rush like hey, you're here in your life I'm here

Let's just do this you're on like date two and it's like Do you want kids when you want to be married and I'm like I want to see if we even like each other for the first month before we like go down here So I don't know I was kind of in the place where like The last two were younger. Do I try something different but then also trying to stay open to it

“So I think you know that's why I was my reaction probably was like oh because you know the last two were younger and it and it didn't work and”

It was because we were at different places in our lives But it's interesting that you mentioned it with both you being fathers like when I met Natalie like I wasn't a father

Yeah, and I would always wanted to be one and a big reason why

We did work out is because Now like communicated really very early on that she always had a desire to be a relatively young mom and I was like I'm ready to have kids as soon as I meet the right person and so obviously that that worked out But for you guys it I'm curious it must be a little different because you guys Both have kids

I'm assuming it seemed the impression I got from both you guys is that like maybe you're open to having kids But like if it didn't happen you're like I have I got two kids and I'm really Greatful for what I have so you were more like kind of on the fence I imagine when you had we're dating Prior to this for

“Dating women who didn't have kids yet, but wanted to have kids it was probably something that got pressed pretty early”

And those dating experiences. Yeah, yeah, it did I'd say same as I my data across the board they typically are younger. It's just happened that way And total transparency. I took like a year off from dating seriously before the show Like I did like the whole therapy thing because I'm like at the end of the day. I'm the only constant So I have to look at an eye and be honest with myself and see some areas where I can improve so

When I came into the experience, you know, I was like okay These were the areas I'm weak and I can go into this open-minded and say okay, this is What I need from a partner and so it wasn't necessarily an age thing it was like I I won't positive energy You know, I like conversation someone that's

Doing things independently on their own all of that and as far as with kids

“Yeah, I like like you said I was definitely open to having more and we talked about it”

If I for an idea it on the show So I would say fibers probably was very different than what I've dated Overall, but like those qualities the positive energy and things like that that was what I was looking for so Yeah, what about you What was the question?

I was just more curious about like yeah, is the kids conversation with you guys being mothers How much did that come up In the past or no like in in the past because again like I don't know what it's like to be in your shoes to like have kids Be content I also say this you I also dated someone that had kids like the your prior and so my thinking at that time was okay She's already had kids already have kids don't have to worry about it. We're good

Then when we started dating I was like Shit, this is a lot This house has got a lot bigger than what I have to buy right so like a Maybe that may not be the road to that's a no for me. I don't want to a joint family. Yeah, like I You have to accept my baggage, but like

I'm sorry like it's just we all have more things. You know like that's my thing This might be really interesting to me. You know flatter myself

Like when I we first met you had mentioned that you like listen to Asnica episodes

Thanks for listening Most of our audience is women and so I'm curious how did you discover Asnica episodes and why and I'm just What it was you interested in something like that it's so crazy. I mean even being here is like just a very surreal It's very like a full circle moment for me. So it was I guess like three or four years ago I was traveling back and forth a lot to Chicago. I was renovating a space out there with my

You should listen to Nick's podcast and I'm like this And

“It's like mostly like advice for women. I would say but I feel like it translates both ways”

Yeah, I don't want it to be advice for women. It's the mostly through my life experience This is just mostly women calling. Yeah, you're asking for advice. So I'm just yes For for me. It was just like I loved how direct you were and I think the device is extremely relatable And I just remember like the worst time for me is like kind of when I was sitting at the airport And you have that time to think and you're on the airplane and you're mind what's the wand or two

Exactly and you're like in your thoughts. So just remember like always making sure I had a

Episode or two download it for the flight and it just did it got me through like a weird period in my life And I I feel like the advice that you were given whether it was for you know a guy or someone calling in Which is again mostly girls like you said But it was just like so direct into the point and you also are a very good at calling out of a fuck boy And there was just little tidbits in there that it's like okay, that's where like I know I need to be better too

“Um, yeah, that's how I got started. So when I became walking in to the the opening scene and I was like”

Holy shit. That's like this is very you know surreal and full circle. Okay, that's sorry And I like you know obviously like it's it's cool to have someone who listens to your your episodes

But specifically the reason I just wanted to ask is because you know I think now that I talked about

This while we were washing it I think something we're just proud of as being hosts of the show is that I think this showed it a great job of casting some like high quality people With complicated paths and interesting perspective on relationships certainly we're all in perfect But you know, I didn't know that you took a year off of dating and kind of focusing yourself and did some therapy But and then someone like yourself like regardless you know the fact that whether you thought my advice was helpful or not

But like the intention that you had To like listen to that type of content because we just don't see that from a lot of guys out there and like I you know I don't I don't tailor my ethnic episodes for women. I just tailor for anyone is interested in this topic

“And so I think it's it's cool to see the men that we cast it at least like be reflective and be interested in like”

You know, just talking about their past behaviors or just reflecting on their past relationships and just like being vulnerable with that I think it's not shocking to to realize that after getting to know you guys, but it's cool to see You know, yeah, it is a lot of great great great group of guys Yeah, a lot of great relationships would develop like Standing touch with the guys afterwards. That was like one of the best things for sure for sure coming out of it

Like all y'all remained pretty close. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, and some of the stories Like just learning from each other. That was great What did you guys learn about yourself for this experience? I would say the biggest thing that was like it was also challenging It was like cutting off the outside noise Disconnecting from your phone social media and all that and just trusting

Your thoughts and your process right like not having your best friend or friend telling you like She's too young or she's completely different or Why the hell are you going through this at all didn't find that helpful or almost did you feel like at a disadvantage to not have some of your First system at first. I found it like a disadvantage at first like I because I was it's so uncomfortable like it's so not not the norm But then after a while it's like it was just bifurgin. All right, so it's like I'm just

Trust them what we're going through together and I don't really give a shit about you know What anyone has to say about it? This is this is what I chose and and I trust it so Probably that I wasn't showing up in relationships like how I needed to show up

For example in past relationships. I'm always I'm always the one that like needs

I need them to like show up for me. I need them to like give give give and I'm over here like I don't give too much until they're ready to like kind of go and then I'm like oh no like I'll open up more I'll be more vulnerable. I'll change this. I'll change that You know that wasn't going to work with Libby like I almost had to be the one giving to get her to feel secure and get her to feel

safe and be able to be vulnerable with me so I think for me it was like I you know if you want to have a

that I probably did that well actually not probably I didn't do that in past relationships until

it was at a point where it's like okay now I have to and that wasn't sincere either you know when it you're not really showing up when someone's leaving you're just doing it kind of to

“to save it so I think that was it of like you need to show up in for relationships how”

your partner doesn't meet them halfway. You're going to answer and appreciate that. I'm curious while filming where there are any moments where you felt like Libby was really meeting you at your level and demonstrating that she could be someone that you could really rely on and emotionally connect with. You know I don't know how much you'll see on the show but like we would

stay up until 3/4 a.m. just you know talking about our childhood and our parents and just like

things that are you know more deep than probably some of the surface level banter that you'll see between the two of us and you know it just she hides behind the jokes and you know but there's definitely like another side here that's like deep once you kind of get her to feel safe with you. There was also a moment you opened up to her about your past playing soccer. Her response to that I felt like that I remember Nick and I were like here Libby like she she really showed that

side in that moment and I think that really showed just her depth and it was just she just gave you really good advice. Yeah Libby would give me great advice during the show. See uh she surprised me

“quite often yeah because I mean that's what I've learned in my relationship with with Natalie but yeah”

like you just they have to be your equal like it's you know again I don't care what age you are a man woman if you're attractive you can get along for a period of time you know you can have a wonderful fun weekend but for a relationship to really work and have a be meaningful like you have to respect each other and you have to be able to go to that person for advice and they have to you know they truly have to be your equal and it's you know part of this you know show is is kind of exploring

these relationships obviously and it was fun to see you guys kind of figure that out along the way. Derek what did you think of in the trailer when Fifer's mom's like you hated you said it those hilarious those of you yeah so I learned a lot from just talking to her before meeting him her mom and dad um that she said like this is so against what I've been like what my parents know me to be you know so they'll probably have a lot of questions if it's them better for me my early

20 is I was trying to live up to the expectations I set for myself when I was a teenager you know when you're a teenager you're like I'm gonna do this so I'm not gonna do that blah blah blah and then and then life happens and with sometimes we have these like moments for like I promise myself

“I think as we get older we're like promise myself yeah that she feel a little bit younger”

relative to maybe other women you had dated yeah in experience in some areas I'd say because I was just I'm just more go with the flow if you really you know uh have a connection you can make it work so I just wanted to just focus like on our process that was like the message I was trying to convey to her like I know you have this checklist this should need to get down but let's worry about making each other stronger and then we can get to the checklist together right

now on the flip side though I know and Natalie moved here um it was definitely a transition yeah we had to like yeah I took things for granted yeah living in Georgia like completely recruited mile I knew nobody here I had only been here once that's different Georgia no friends had to only knew him I was like I guess I'll get an apartment and I'm like well then I'll I only know you so I'm gonna be there anyway so like you know yeah well we appreciate you guys coming

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Dale and i wouldn't bat an eye yes they could play high school they could like see double you yeah specifically he literally see that that's so accurate that is so unique and so accurate right though because they all look like that and like i said last week solid guys yeah we found out Derek before coming on this show took a year off of dating and got into therapy you know just things weren't working out for him and he drew listening to asnick and drew like with an avid asnick listener

do you recall in no he's like i took a lot of flights and i just would like make sure i always had

a couple episodes don't look at like listen regardless of of you know obviously i'm flattered he listened to me but like you know most like i said to answer like most of our listeners and our

“callers are are women and and i honestly think it's a huge green flag for you know men like”

Andrew and Derek to like on their own as single men like listen to content that like might like help them like process their emotions in feeling like that's something i wish more men would be open to doing and i think it just speaks to like yeah the it seems like they we have some high high quality guys yeah neck i feel like you hit the jackpot with these two at least i'm excited to see more of the rest of the men but you these are two men that are like doing the work

to find what they need versus like testing things out to figure out what they want you know i mean well we did have the love is blind re-union last night i was pretty good yeah yeah i mean someone stormed off within the first five minutes so i had to rewind i was like we help them what did i miss and i love lambers she's one of my favorites but i was like wait well speaking of amber we are excited announce that tomorrow we do have a going deeper with amber and

“Brittany amber is in studio with us uh Brittany joins as well we are really unpack uh the”

divorce between Jordan and amber we get into the whole like wedding accusation i will say i'm excited to hear more of what amber says because i did feel a little confused after watching the reunion exactly what happened there with the car and the wedding i was a little confused yeah well she unpacked it and i my jaw is on the floor her amber and i'm like both of them like their story lines like there was stuff that i was missing the whole girl code in preyanka and

the trip to the concert i was like constant that girl also the work trip that you're actually sleeping in the girls room and then the girls didn't tell you which i get they didn't know but like but they're all very close no no no no no no no i'm gonna have an Airbnb ready to keep it not but also i like am i alone here that these like i know preyanka said several times like we are not close yeah we are not close we are not close so i don't blame parr because they are not close

no you're right but actually in brie i feel like they are and the fact like the second that my friends man is like oh i'll come with you like okay well then i'm texting my friend and being like oh it's gonna come beyond say once it's gonna come off even if it's not even like red flag for me like if we're friends we're talking like oh my god yeah i'm headed out to Vegas or whatever they were not enough correct no no are you coming like you know what i mean like there's just

yeah the the way that there was like no communication between these people at all made you're not close so i'm not close there's no way i go on a trip right with with with Mary and Connor comes and i don't tell Sierra about that's crazy and then i don't know but imagine

oh my god not getting along or like you know maybe there's some like are they falling off

“they're wedding oh my god you guys reach out to Sierra you don't check in but i'm with your”

man and he's like kind of saying that y'all caught it off are you okay well then pre under her breath was like why did i need to even tell her anything i'm like wait i didn't know her being like i didn't know i had to ask permission yeah you don't have to ask permission you're just a bad fucking friend i would also be texting being like hey girl um your mansions stay up my air being be really it's a little weird like is he good? and then it really like can we get a hotel

you know what probably happened was because the defante was like yeah we were just hanging out and then they mentioned it and then i was like i'm going i feel like it was one of those things we were like yeah you can come but you don't actually invite the person or like you would think maybe he would go no you think like right right that weird suspicious really how did that happen he didn't ask no stories no nothing y'all follow each other i'm single like concert posts fit pick

getting ready so i went to a concert and was off the grid that is a really good but the girl's post pictures and he's conveniently not in it yeah it sketchy is fun also the fact that like it was the three of them who had that conversation with Chris about Jess and when she was like i just got to tell y'all like she just like told me she was a professional dancer and like she just like doesn't work out she doesn't do anything and i just can't get all and

there were all like well she's not morebly obese yeah i think she's also like not even close

“not how you defend the front you know i actually owned up to it and that's what i appreciate”

she was like you were so bright like i did not do that the right way we should have been better friends like so i was like i was what needed to be said and i'm glad to listen spoiler listen the episode with Amber and Brittany uh breeze the real villain um whoa whoa that story spoiler okay that's fire no you you've got me clickbait i'm in no i have so many questions i feel like this this is honestly for me and i may be wrong the first love is binary union in a while

we're like the women are divided amongst themselves because i feel like usually it's like women verse men like this was also like the girls you were all one bad apple well the girls have their own like like alliances like you can see like it's Amber Jess and Brittany and then it's like Ashley Priyanka and Bree or whatever and Devonte and Devonte and Devonte and Devo wait Devo yeah yeah no once she said Devo i was like oh oh they're close i'm like god bless Vanessa but like Vanessa

really trying to be in on the friend group and she goes okay so when you were with Devo and i was like

girl you just heard that tonight i know like if that is your nickname why did we never like

i like she was like three introduces us as breezy we heard that you know sparkle mag we heard that you know we get the nickname sometime never heard that it felt very personal for Bree to be like whoa when we were out with lunch with Devo and we were like touchable yes but also we've been talking about Alex being the great liar the level of confidence and sloppiness for Devonte to tell his maybe Priyans say maybe girlfriend hard to say from well i mean Brittany it seems like she doesn't

really know where they stand because he's not really being honest about where they stand but to lie about going to a different state for a work trip and then go to a different state with like call you know friends i don't know what this relationship but clearly this group talks yeah and to think that's not gonna come up yeah well simultaneously asking these girls you're hanging out with to like

clearly like not post pictures or you know armboe being thing you also just like never even really

owned up to that no he's just kind of like yeah you know i well at him what did he say where he was saying something like there was a couple weeks where we or we're off and I was like wait hold on that's a detail that doesn't fit into anybody's story at this point yeah that feels like something you told yourself to like say yes yes you ghosted her for two weeks what i mean like oh now we're broken up what i really love about love is blind is you really get to see the way people lie

the way that he yeah Devonte caught with his pants down didn't expect daddy to get the microphone the dad was like i was like did you lie to me he's there i was a question i wasn't even like okay cool and i loved the song i said yeah i give Britney's dad her moment because that was a really cute moment between the two of you and if you were acting that whole time knowing that you weren't gonna marry her yeah what did that parents did with grace like he wasn't super like mean

but he was just great up but he was asking literal questions he did and even said he's like i i feel

“terrible about the hate that you need to get it together and i was like that's”

great advice from an older man well after talking to Amber and i don't want to give too much away and it's definitely he said she said in terms of like a bit of a bit of a divorce but like his choice to accuse Amber of what he accused her of at the reunion depending on what you believe from Amber's point of view when you live in the episode is real it was really dirty

is this the wedding situation he accused her of like basically having a drinking problem

yeah she like humiliated him in front of wedding while he was the best man yeah and keep

in mind this is a mother you know and he's making some pretty serious accusations on national television yeah she she clears up a lot she she definitely clears up a lot

“i'm excited to watch i love Amber she was honestly one of my favorites of the season and it's”

especially like i mean i say this with love take a shot every time Amber says she hates Chris because that was crazy that was hilarious it's good for nothing she goes back i don't hate you you're not the same kind of guys Chris like sorry like i i don't hate you but i hate you my part of it tomorrow's gd is when we talked to Brittany about the divante of it all and obviously like post you know wedding and we you know get some details and then obviously the the fake trip

or fake work trip and we have Amber giving like color commentary through it's great and Amber her eyes the high man yeah it's really great but did they say when they were like yeah Amber started the show being like i hate men and now she's back at i hate men yeah i did appreciate Nick uh kind of coming for Chris yeah which like was deserved for sure you know i'd keep in my hometown to to shame honestly get it together and also just she's winning yeah

like she didn't even have to look at Chris in the eyes when he's apologizing and then she has a healthy relationship like i mean he said his little like owed to her like it's just like your

beautiful your amazing like every day that i spun with you i was like thank you for making Chris

who's already small no see her the difference between like how we saw Chris treat Jess and then just a glimpse of how her partner and i was treating her like that's when you know like that's like go through the storm and because it's worth it on the other side you know and what did uh y'all think of gg and a d getting the my i love a d pass i love a d i was 10 seasons so it made sense like thematically narratively delight share with past members and i actually really liked that

“they brought back all 154 i believe it was past cast members didn't they say that they said it”

was a cast full of all past or a story was a room full of all yeah i i i like that they did that i think it's a great way to celebrate 10 years i also loved Zach and Bliss revealing the gender with his that was beautiful yeah i i liked that they incorporated some of them because also like i loved some of their reactions when it came to like talking about Chris and then we added Christine and Vic to the happily married because like they were my favorite thing was come out of

the season i love they get a trip i know from turbo daks yeah the way i was terrified i literally went to uh Christine's page and she posted her reunion look and i think they obviously make them not wear rings or whatever in the photos but i didn't see a ring on her hand and like literally like i was devastated i was like oh my god no no i didn't see a ring on her hand but her and Vic were matching no they're perfect but like the way that they were leading into the reunion was like

where are they aren't they? Divo and Brittany were also matching yeah i also thought that was kind of shitty of them to sit out and Alex next to each other. Alex did it all the next to each of the only person they separated was Jess and Chris which like stand by that but like why not the rest of us actually look so uncomfortable she's literally like stiff as a board on the very edge of the couch while out so just like like sorry Alex saying like seeing the as soon as the reveal happened

seeing she was blonde was the first domino to fall oh why are you here yeah like your taste is

that specific that that is the first domino to fall when you realize oh she has blonde hair that's good love it's blind isn't for you it's giving the man didn't know what his next job was going to be so he got on national television and hopes that that blows up for an opportunity to take him to his next nomadic adventure the way he spoke to Vanessa yeah and she was like well i'm trying

“to have an actual conversation with you like maybe you should show a little bit of vulnerability”

and say i don't know sometimes he's like what you want me to act like i don't know yeah he was giving how Tom send of all spoke to you dude i was yeah i was waiting for a dude pop out of there like yeah dude yeah also dressed like like he was got done at a high school reward like soccer like you know at the end of season rewards with the soccer coach where it's khaki's in a polo yeah and the weird like semi reveal that divante in him or semi kind of

roommates but they like play goli soccer together well i thought also divante was engaged in having a baby so why is he living with Andrew well we do have Alex coming up here shortly when we get wrap up or love is blind commentary i was curious what he would have to say and i got to say the roommate situation between him and divante even more confused after talking to Alex i'm also curious next to be devil's advocate like maybe there's some one detail that could make some

accident all right well up next we got Alex Alex welcome to the show thank you thanks my friend

how are you how are you doing man how is this whole experience been for you oh it's been a wild

“ride so far um honestly overall kind of just turning the internet internet off and just the”

enjoying the friends and family they're in my corner at the moment well that that's smart to do obviously you've been under neck controversy but the audience has had a lot to say and have lots of opinions about your time on the show i i'm curious is does it feel like all just completely wrong or unfair or is there a party that looks back and at least you know well maybe obviously the internet isn't really objective but have you learned anything about yourself from watching

it back that you thought okay well maybe maybe this is something i i can see where they're coming

from and maybe i need to address yeah a hundred percent i mean i've learned it that's on throughout

the process i do think there's probably some inaccuracies in the editing but i think the biggest thing that i've learned is really just patience with my storyline i think i've a very complicated past and if i'm in a relationship you know instead of waiting for her to kind of come through and ask these questions and try and figure out what my time line is obviously you know identify a trigger point in her past and maybe pull her side proactively and just explain hey this is obviously an issue

for you let's go through it together because this is kind of you know what i've gone through uh so just being a little bit more proactive in my storyline and as open as possible it's probably the biggest thing i've learned but we're some things that you left out or maybe weren't proactive

“with that you felt ended up being uh some of uh actually bigger triggers yeah so i think the biggest”

one realistically i catch myself saying that word all the time now i think the biggest one is the

Austin girlfriend timeline i think that one i tried because i didn't really know you know i'm coming on to the Ohio version of love is blind i'm also in and out of Ohio i was living there for two years while also going to Austin i didn't know how to explain that very well and i tried just to avoid that to not get into the weeds with an extra girlfriend which i could have just been a little bit more proactive with um that extra from the last time that we saw was a social that was

like no member which is four months before the show i didn't really think it was that big of an issue to dive into but i think again that's one that i probably could have been more proactive especially with somebody like Ashley who brings a little bit of i think trust issues to the relationship i can be more proactive than fix that i've been a lot of conversations this season uh more every season but specifically this one is is asking why some of the people we see it's

just like well why did you go on love is blind because obviously you know none of you really know what this experience is until you get there but after watching it whether it's you having kind of that nomadic life or you being seemingly incredibly into brunettes compared to blinds or say divante having his kind of very specific interest or crisp it seemed like just some of the things that you guys you men specifically said well okay fair enough you feel or think this way but if that's

the case like why bother with this show was kind of the thought and feeling that many of us had

“watching it back a hundred percent and i think the way that this show is advertised is as an”

experiment right like we're here that's really trying to figure out is love truly blind and for us like from i won't speak for the rest of the man for myself i'm really diving in to see can you get past you know again Ashley's an objectively beautiful woman obviously that doesn't really need to be said but can you get past the fact that she's not your original type and i went through this experiment trying to test that out completely because in my past i have dated solely you know the women that

i find physically attracted which has led me to be a little bit more physical than emotional i wanted to see if this experiment could help me understand where the emotional should rank in a relationship and that's one of the things i learned as well as i think they're both needed and they're both equal so for me to go on the show is really just a test that and see if you know my wife is there so it wasn't really about like actually marrying the person that you met it was more so just like

can i get past this thing that i have gone for time and time again in my past well i wouldn't say that no because i think the the overall goal is to get married and i wanted to get married but i think that experiment that you go through is really to see if you can get to that point okay i did you ever get to the bottom of i think was it your grandma story when you were talking to Ashley's dad and you were kind of talking a little bit about just your family history your timeline made it seem like

your grandma was 16 years old when she had your mom or dad i'm not sure and then and then your response was well that was what that's the story i was told did you get to the bottom of that 100% so that one's that just need miss miss speaking candidly i grew up in a in a environment where christian science was my religion with my stepfather okay and in that religion we

i'm learning still i my mistake there was to answer the question and try and say what i didn't know

“candidly there are a much you know later on in life is when they passed off so they were not 16 or 14 okay”

i think another thing that i've learned here is maybe take a pause and you don't have to have all the answers i do have a complicated storyline and it's one of those that you just take a break here

take a second not knowing is is potentially an okay answer a lot of people are commenting on

your beard at the wedding yeah as if it was a dead giveaway that you knew you were not going to get married you look clean shaven now i'm just curious like what was that what's up what was up at that very uncapped beard in a tuxedo yes so some of that was was actually on purpose on my end i i did think ahead of time because i did have a conversation with actually that it was going to be a no for me ahead of time but this was not really my my real you know wedding and it was

one of those that i don't want i want to save something from my wife my real wife that i actually get married to and i didn't walk my mom down the aisle for a reason i didn't shave for a reason i didn't go to the barber for a reason and yes the jacket is too size too big it's a it's a trench coat realistically and i didn't really fix that for a reason the fuzzy my beard is accidental that was just the you did in place but everything else was kind of a almost it's like you were you it's like

you agreed to do the ceremony but you were protesting everything else basically i don't want to say

protests thing it was more i do want to save some things for my actual wife like i do think like actually walking my mom down the aisle and showing up correctly is something that i do want to actually have and in my real wedding i knew i had a time this wasn't going to be it so not really a protest but just more saving it for her okay reactions to the sex conversation were not received well looking back to wish you had worded that differently uh which one a hundred percent candidly

for all of them i think the the period conversation is one that i really didn't want to have i start that conversation off with logistics and i think there's a lot of context in the pods that are kind of missed on that subject and then when we get into that conversation i'm completely out of my depth and that's an example of hey maybe i don't really know what i'm talking about here let's let's move on to something else you kind of stood on tentos down of like Ashley should have

waited for you to get back to have sex after the like mud rubbing mud all over each other date even when she felt like you kind of walked out on her you still stand by that or two an extent i think the way that that comes off probably comes off a little sharper than it really needs to be i think what we're really getting at is the amount of intimacy that we were having at that point

“and the point that i'm really making there is if you want more intimacy from me you need to”

initiate it because i'm initiating here at this point obviously in Mexico we did that plenty um so again it probably came off sharper than it needed to but i needed more from her in that category if she wanted more at what point for you did you kind of come to the conclusion that you you weren't going to say yes at the altar um it's interesting i so they showed the interrogation from like the the meeting of the dad i i think i got through that still thinking maybe there's something that we

can do like maybe i can work through that i think it was after meeting her friends i'm at probably eight of her friends at once and at that point i was just kind of like everyone still trying to jump on my past a little bit i don't think we're getting past that um so i think it's probably two or three i don't know when that was four five days before the the wedding not just yourself but a lot of your male peers have also been under fire this season and uh i am curious

what one like what do you think of some of your other peers specifically Chris and Devante i know Devante is your new roommate now just as the way men are talked about on this show and just in culture as a whole do you appreciate some of the frustration that a lot of the women viewers and audience members are are saying about you guys or do you think that you guys are all

“misunderstood uh well to say all of us are just misunderstood i'm not sure i think there's there's”

definitely a lot of misunderstandings it between both men and women just in general i think we definitely are getting somewhat of an unfair edit throughout but at the same time i do think there's some ways for us to learn i think we all need to leave room you know for growth for us as men and for them as women i'm we're all asking for grace at this point so i think it's all the way around what was your uh understand were you living with Devante when he lied to Britney about that work trip

and and then went into that concert no so so right after the show like the day after the show

i moved to Florida and got a job down there for a few months and then got a second job out in

Arizona probably five months after that so that was that occurred at that time when i was in Florida okay and i don't need your address but were you guys living on high on now you in it Devante

not here currently um because i just want to speak for him but i'm in Scottsdale the moment okay

but that live roommate situation is it's happening in Arizona i it has good i mean it's one of those i've traveled through LA Austin leavelands like Florida throughout the year he's traveling it's on so you guys just have like a shared residence exactly exactly what would you say to your friend Devante i i i am curious just out of it let's say you were in the same room with Devante at the time where that was going down what would you have said to Devante as his friend about

how he should move when it comes to that situation it can you just reflect so from the Austin situation is that would you ask yeah so when he was telling Britney that hey i'm going to know work trip and mix again but in reality he went on a five day trip to Austin with some of the women from the season and and lied to Brittany he clearly was going on with the with the lie and i'm just curious like what would you have said as his friend if you were aware that he was making the

decision real time well if those were the actual like parts of the decision then i think it's a

“different conversation i'm just not fully certain is to that's how that entire situation went down”

so i don't want to comment on what i would tell him because i'm not fully aware of everything that happened do you have i think from my own experience i would just say from my own experience with with obviously Austin in particular city be as open as you possibly can and just basically give a timeline this is what i'm thinking and be as transparent as you possibly can because the truth

kind of always comes out yeah like are you hearing a different version from Devante but now from Devante

specifically we really talked about that like from my seeing everybody and knowing everybody because we're friends outside of this it didn't really seem like that big of a deal to me it was like hey i thought you and britney were over you're going to go hang out with people from the show you guys are going to Austin enjoy the concert that's how i looked at it but again i'm not really that close to it parina area is weird that he was clearly obviously not taking pictures and

and was hanging out at that group while they were posting and he wasn't posting it that does come across you know there's a lot of rules that we don't know to the honest with you as this stuff comes out it's like i don't know who i can post and what i can post and why not sure and i don't want

to defend anyone else like i'm not trying to be defensive here it's just we don't really know

what we're doing the conversation that Chris had at that mixer where he was talking to breathe for quite some time and talked about Connor not being dominant and blah blah blah whatever he went into the bathroom with you and continued to shit on Connor i don't know if maybe you and Connor just aren't friends so you didn't feel the need to kind of stand up for Connor but what was your reasoning for for going along with that disrespectful conversation that he was having with you yeah i mean

“the only thing that i say and there's i basically just a firm what he's saying and i've already”

spoken to Connor with about this i'm very close with Connor and Bri it was one of those situations where i can see Chris you know self-destructing here and i'm also aware that Priyanka is just walked into the room and i'm gonna have to have a very difficult conversation anyway so where it's one of those okay i'm just gonna sit here and let you talk and i'm gonna start focusing on what i need to focus on because i can't handle you and what you're doing here and the rest of the dynamic i have

so much stuff to deal with so i'm going along in the sense of just don't bother me let me do my thing and yes it looks as though i'm siding with him when a reality it counters my boy um when did you know Priyanka and you were gonna be on the season together like was that like when you're started dating in the pods uh so i like i do of her before the pods and obviously in the pods we figured it out together i mean it's a small world obviously i was in Austin ahead of time with

my ex-girlfriend for a little bit back and forth we ran into each other there i didn't really speak about the show though the fact that you like seem to refuse to want to live in Ohio uh was that already kind of a weird casting for you given that like love is blind the show itself part of the reason why they cast regionally is is to help the relationships that end up in relationships have a better chance of succeeding you have a very unique story with you being a nomad but on

top of you being a nomad it was like i will live live i'll live anywhere but Ohio um i am just how did you end up was that were those conversations you had with casting in general and and where you concerned right off the bat that that might be an issue for anyone you ended up with oh great

“question i i don't remember that being part of like the casting conversations i do remember a lot”

of context in the pods like actually not get a little bit you know deep in this and in sense of she didn't want to live in Ohio either so that wasn't attractive quality right like it's if you're trying to leave as well and have a family somewhere else but come back and visit Ohio we can make that word i didn't really think about it ahead of time because i would have made this sacrifice if the right woman was there to live in Ohio for a time being and you know go from there you filmed

love a supply and win about a year ago yeah right yeah around that last anyway so about a year ago

gonna have a trust and Dubai i'm not sure what that is and then a safe house in New Zealand where you just kind of fucking around you seem like you were saying it seriously but also what is the safe house in New Zealand and how is that all coming along not that we're a year into that five

year plan a hundred percent so first of four most it's like i like the dream big obviously like a

share one to be an athlete when i was a kid so i don't mind you know going after these things what i've realized though is it's really not that difficult to do like you can go start up a company in the d_i_f_c_ in Dubai and they will give you residency like if you do it correctly so that i mean is doable you need more capital for sure i do have dual citizenship with New Zealand i have lived over there i did get my tomoko over there so i call a safe house it's not like hey i'm a

billionaire building a bunker going to live there it's just a place that i can go outside of the u_s_ if things you know hit the fan i had a place that i can take my family to and go live freely is it going well yeah like i'm building towards that absolutely do i have a little bit more

“than five years to go to actually create that no doubt but i like the dream big so that's what i”

appreciate that um what it might be hard to get to the other side of the world if shit hits the fan

now if you have the past court stuff set up ahead of time and then on top of that one of the things that people don't know is my mom worked for united for twenty years okay so all of these flights all around the world were i mean realistically close to being free or free so it's it is doable okay uh any final thoughts Alex yeah what what do you what do you want to leave the people of the audience with now that we kind of wrap up season 10 honestly just thank you for being fans thank

you for watching um i had a blast getting to know Ashley and everyone else on the show it was a good experiment i learned a lot and hopefully you guys know that i'm a real person okay Alex we appreciate taking the time uh best of luck uh with everything including all the houses and stuff uh and uh yeah just just good good luck out there and i appreciate your time and i appreciate it guys all right so Alex didn't shape his beard because he knew he wasn't going to say

he wanted to say that saving that for his future wife but even worse i'm a way to say it crazy like you couldn't that you can you imagine i'm like did you not just prove everything Ashley set up the altar of like the inconsistency and like i'm just feel like i don't know like what's interesting is like there's just some things i want to save for my wife and it's like you think it'd be like like getting yourself your virginity my yeah like i want to save myself you know or buying my

life house my touch was too big my beard was scraggly yeah but he's like those are the things that i wanted to save for my future wife i'm like she is gonna appreciate what an honor i saw something uh that the success rate of uh love is blind is 3.5% of all couples with a hundred

“not terrible well that's what i would say people like to say make people like framed it is like”

what terrible success rate but like what's the success rate of dating apps yeah but i was gonna say that i'm like you're talking about people that are like married from multiple years having chill like you know what i mean like it's not like oh we stayed together for a year after love island to like for brand deals it's like these people are actually like married having a life together but more importantly i'm i'm assuming that 3.5% is based off of like to total

cast members who show up to start the season versus how many at the end of the season and up in marriage which we i feel like we don't even know how do you know do we know how many people start off on love is 540 it's like 40 yeah i'm gonna out of those odds and then we only really see like what five couples and it's really like you know you're you're meeting total strangers that you don't get to see at first yeah honestly 3.5% out of i don't know how many people that'd be like

a dating yeah again that's like it's like the amount of people that go on dating apps or whatever that like are supposed to be for marriage that don't want marriage and just want hookups that i'm like for a reality TV show with one of the most i don't know a natural concept i guess is like where like these people are actually signing up because they want to be married so no way that the dating apps can turn you know like of all the people you match with in 30 days

find your partner about time line but like how many people are you matching with if you if if you

had a 3.5% chance of meeting your husband on a dating app if i was to be incredible so there is

an article that says that success rate of like meaningful relationships from a dating app is 2.5% so it's a whole percent higher so technically you're more likely to find love on love is blind

“than dating apps which feels honestly as someone on dating apps true well as Teresa was saying”

in two days episode of reality recap she's like it is like the apps are scary you don't like have like you know she's like going on this show i knew these people were going through

that i don't know from dating apps so like she's like i feel like this is the new way of dating is like just get yourself on a dating show and in like your your meeting people who like yeah you have to deal with like you know are they looking for fame or things like that but there's some intentionality for all the people who show up to these shows open to like making a connection versus like people you're meeting on the apps which is like they're just playing hot or not

you don't even know how serious they are they even want to meet up you know willingness to like go grab a cup of coffee or a drink you know you know there's just a lot of like people are you do you even want to date are you actually trying to are you just on the apps for whatever you know like there's no free dinner yeah do you know how many times it'll be like you'll be like having a great time chatting with someone on hand and then you're like okay you want to go get

“drinks never hear from them again how many times did it happen Mary i think i'm not for anyone”

this thing is everybody on the apps i think there's not a single person who it wasn't like yeah that everything is guess what i've done with other people yeah no we all yeah it's like sometimes someone will like be like do you want to hang out and i'm like no why would i want to be you're real you're not a chat but yes I know i would refuse yeah i would assume that i'd be set up with

the experts why i never got on them what's the success rate of summer house relationships

summer house can be a baby baby eating is not it's like a vital friend's happened like it's an entertaining season i love how it started off with Bailey being like i am gonna like shoot my shot with Ben dara with kj i am going all in on Ben and then makes the most wild statement by a little statement well he's trying to flirt well yeah doesn't make it better she's a naughty ally and i will say i love Bailey i think she's so sweet i feel so sad that her heart got broken

that some guy ruined herself a steam to a point where she can't even hear herself anymore

“this week that's what i make sure no no no but like that's what i was like it's so sad that i'm”

like that her idea of like she can't hear herself flirting or like hear that that would be like a

wild statement that like maybe better she's never is she makes her nervous she said last episode she's

like i don't even know how to like learn or talk anymore as to your point yeah so that's where it was like i i don't know but this is like bringing in a third party a married couple into this like equation of like you want to fuck your man's yeah like bad flirting is being like i like your eyebrows i think you're sorry did you do yourself you know which is like nervous but she said that like i think she hears them joke about things and they did it in

the episode so it's like she's not crazy well i'll push back there and say every example she gave of them doing the joke was just her projecting being like why is he giving you a towel why is he picking it you up out of this thing why is he bringing you coffee in the morning like that all she has been which is giving your obsessed with bed and you're watching his every move yeah exactly she has an awareness she has an awareness in the jealous and the words came out

and i think she didn't mean for them too it honest mistake for sure but i mean again ben was certainly direct and he was obviously upset but he wasn't yelling i think it makes sense that he was

“like this wasn't the first time she is something and i think that's why it had gotten to that point”

like him being like am i doing something that's making everyone question like my behavior and like mine and like that's now i'm like in my head like it might be weird so he's like i need to figure out like what's going on and Bailey kind of suggests that everyone is in on this conspiracy that ben wants to have sex with Amanda so yeah he's like it's like oh everyone's talking about a kind of energy where he's like upset about this and yes and in that conversation she was just like

you guys joke about all the time and he's like again no i don't joke i've literally have never joked about

she was just trying to be in on the joke that's it basically said that they don't but i'm like there are little things where i was like you know i mean she was like are less we get naked together or something like that like they make little like slide calm but have little banter they have a banter with each other or it's like fake flirting yeah and and Bailey just wanted to be in on the joke and she was like i'm joking i'm just saying i feel for her i'm just saying i weren't invited to the joker you

weren't there you cannot be in on a private joke between your crush and someone they might app kept a street with right you just can't do that because when i'm just tired of people think could i want to fuck me mate's misses like Jesse be like dude you actually talk like that Jesse was just reaction and i was so funny. I was serious in a moment like try to have a series conversation and we the best part two was that after Ben had left and then they were telling it to

Kyle and then Kyle just starts cracking up like as if it's a punchlight and it's just like no that just how he told me yeah no honestly if i were Bailey i would be you know when you're on state

it like that's i would be well that's what she did she literally went into the bathroom

he could fall for fancy clothes she was like i want to that showing my face like i was like i'm going to hold really really yeah i'm not like her being like yeah i'm not going out wrap it up yeah i'm going back to yeah i'm going back for her but for me and then i said on the opposite end i was like come on like like this and it sucks to like get into a little tiff but like you're making your your your exasperating this whole outcome by like it's a

Amanda's birthday yeah put your bucket party shoes on you don't even have to look at Ben but like go but like the whole like i'm going to stand i'm going to be in the bed and then i'm going to make my friends stand because like and then the next time i'm like i don't want to sit next to Ben yeah like i'm just like the drama i'm not turning him into the bad guy over a night of sleep it's just like yourself hurting her so by the way i don't think she's trying to turn him into the

“bad guy i think it's an an extension of her flirting like she wants him to come after her and”

to apologize i think we're done with the flirt i think land i think you're gonna get drunk and you're gonna fuck another man tonight okay i'm sorry but no i think i think i think if i'm psychoanalyzing daily i think that what's happening is that i think that she's still she's not overben in like 15 seconds no i think 100% after that conversation she was like you just got

to me i would never put my hands on like degree i i think she immediately was like turned off

that's not the guy she thought he was she like got a completely different view of him and i think she's like crushed over i think i think if Ben flirted with her at all it would come right back no i think she's i think that she's um sulking and she wants him to come apologize i think she wants to be crushed over but she's also like okay but if you if you open her window i'll kick open the door like i'll be there yeah

“which you're gonna hate me i'll hate you right back and we can have like you i think”

that's it we can also like do both of those things yeah when you get it we could hate fuck they literally can buy in the do speaking of maybe hate fugging westerns here let's get into the past each of us sitting on her being curtail like even caught her is like she's looking smart like just the way that it's just like yeah he has a crush in the way that it's like he's weird little boyish antics all

of these people by the way like Bailey's like lack of capability to flirt yeah and then it's like you've got west also lack of ability to flirt or to be directly with his feelings he's actually pissed me off a lot this season because i'm like if you just said how you felt what is a lot of this would be what you know about what at the end he was he said it to bad he says it to bad he says it to everyone else but even the every single just he

“the conversation with just he could have said hey i kind of think you're a dickhead for us he”

goes okay Jay and Ben they really had an issue with it like cool but like they thought it was so weird you know what he's trying to like it's getting very big what's going on carry a break but west is carry yes yes yes yes yes yes the west at the end when he was very hammered at the end the episode he's talking to bad we all know how west feels though like that's the thing like west she doesn't know he's talking to the Sierra not know what am i crazy am i

did you guys not hear west say i'm just not i know what she's looking for and i'm not ready to give that right now what he said he was when they were together yeah he said when we were together i knew what she needed and i wasn't ready to give that to her and Ben goes do you have any regrets and he goes of course i did yeah and then the episode ended because he's maybe ready and now but he doesn't know what he's supposed to do exactly and i'm just like talk talk

try to he tried to they were both drunk and i mean it both admitted this where they're like we can talk when we're drunk but like when the lights are on yeah yeah yeah like we cannot come you but then he said he didn't pee a sunset relationship a pm relationship and he goes i don't i just don't know how to talk to you and she goes i did that directly by design that was a great life that was so hard i just i just if if my friend or daughter win is in a situation

like this i would just this is in so many red flags that's and i feel because like see her is

always like very earnest about her love life you know everyone's in a while we talk we hear her

like express frustration about it not going the way she wants and i just like west and and jessie just give very just un-serious about their dating life and is it fun to see them flirt do we see the chemistry do we hope that like if they if they want it if they really fell in love they would work out but like nothing about west's behavior suggests that he's ready for this stuff

like blu-up right at the reunion was the fact that he kind of ended things with cair and was like

yeah my DMs are flooded like you know what i mean like he's like oh i've never been here before

and page was like red and to fill it was the article and it was just kind of like what page was like you know you have a bunch of girl setting in your DM but you have this right now and it's like

“he was just like i just want to like play and see what else is out there i think now he's seeing”

that it's like yeah there's a bunch of girls in your DMs that want to slide on and get on summer house and come to the events with you but like they're not really interested in west and caira actually was interested in west and now i think he's planning for that because it's like a bunch of temporary girls yeah i know and no one can make yeah also i'm rooting for them so hard also i just need to put out there but you cannot control who you follow love with you can't control

who you like and like i don't think she likes jessie i don't think he's ready for a relationship i thought that their conversation was great it was like we're just friends don't be a dick and she

forgets him yeah i i i agree with you ultimately but i was i was asking alley last night do you

think those are world not that not that caira likes jessie the way she likes west but what we have we heard from caira when describing like her ideal like falling in love situation she's like i want to be friends with the guy first i want to establish like a close emotional connection and then hopes that that turns into something romantic right to be protected of course right but like so you know the whole like last week's episode or jessie did the weird thing we're like you

“know and i think that's such a relatable story between like men and women who are friends right”

and they kind of like do that dance you know and then and then jessie did the thing where he made it weird like he crossed that boundary where it was like okay now you're making it fucking weird which you know we all know that's like to be friends with someone and then they make it weird

and you're like why did you ruin a good thing like this friendship that we had but if the

when she goes to jessie and she's like you could have just asked it's like it makes me wonder that if jessie like came correct where it's just like like a gentleman said caira i want to complete can we talk and like listen like i know we're friends and i know we flirt a lot and sometimes i'm a little confused but like i'd like to take you on a date and i like to show you i want to treat you the way i think you deserve to be treated i wonder if like caira would entertain

something like that because like whether it's west or jessie like that's it makes a lot of sense she wants to develop this friendship but then she's developing friendship with these guys who just are very uncirious and in the moment of like hanging out with their bros you know like that the fuck boy mind set goes up where they're like what if we just want to make out or whatever and that you know it's just like but at the same time it's just more like again when it comes

to these types of like friendships of kyrus like to you like a lot of there's a lot of commentary online about jessie being one of the girls yeah you know and being in bed i loved it in the beginning yeah so serious question you know if you were you had a guy friend like jessie right and he's out there and you what and he's happened to me he's having he's he's he's he's giving you fuck boy energy you you're hearing about the girls he's hooking up with when you're with the

bunch of girls and this guy comes into bed doesn't the energy is different right like you're not he's not you're not like literally like he's one of the girls the thing is that like it usually that type of person and jessie in this situation like jessie very much to declare to himself is oh i'm going to fill pages she was like i'm one of the girls so that you're positioning yourself in a way that like i'm just trying to be one of the girlies just trying to hang out

and they have that type of friendship with him then yeah he's allowed to get in the bed and hang out because it's like you're not going to do anything that's inappropriate or that that you're saying exactly like jessie made it weird i'm just saying like the enter isn't the energy different no i guess if nobody has any like sexual interest instead person it's like we're all just human beings yeah yeah some of your boys are your girls sometimes yeah the best gossip

comes from like being able to do it with a man to queen out with a boy is like having like your best friends like boyfriend or whatever and you're just been here on keyking over like a glass of wine and it's like oh my god wait he did white i literally when i see my best friends boy friend who is also my friend doesn't happen all the time but i literally give him the biggest hug and i'm like oh my god my girl you know yeah yeah i just don't think i know jessie's not unaware

that he's in a bed with women and i'm not saying he's gonna be weird about it being weird

“about it but i don't think i think cierra and a man are both not into jessie i don't think”

they're for them it's like they're trusting it isn't human yeah for them because i think at the end of the day i think of cierra was actively interested in jessie cierra probably would have done something like if it was west coming into the bed i think that that would have been very different energy because there's clearly some sexual tension between there there's romantic tension between cierra and west but with jessie we saw it even uh this past episode when western cierra

in uh Amanda's bed and it's just kind of like this like wiener and then kiles i can't wait to talk

wasn't aware that he was an abad full of women and they might be his friends i don't i don't

“think jessie was never not aware like yes i think i think jessie's intention fine but i'm saying”

he made it very clear that he was trying to fill page issues and kiki with the girls so i'm going to trust you as my friend that that is your intention if you're going in trying to be weird and get caught a feel god bless but i'm like i'm like i'm saying until you like until you do something that shows your true colors or your true intentions i'm going to trust that you're what you believe and i will say i brought we probably i'm curious to see how often we see him back

in the bed after he's made this i want to make out with cierra comment or i'm all never so i

hope you never got he said like he hasn't made it weird up until now so before he wasn't crossing any boundaries he wasn't like no get out he was just being normal okay jessie bed bug kj in the bed for sure but even if kj goes in the bed he's he's he's not one of the girls well i think it also would be weird because they don't like no one as well he's kind of a sorry but yeah i'm just saying like i don't know he's positioned himself as like i was raised by women i just get along with

you know i would trust him 100% but i just don't know if they have the same like fan turn

“relationship i think i could get in the bed i'm just going to get in the bed yeah i can't get in the bed”

i also not amanda getting the watch and then being like now i can leave them and so have a watch i said boy and also nine thousand dollar watch i looked it up yeah and then i was like oh but you couldn't give Carl 10 grand 15 grand you know they definitely kind of like they had to have gone into the season being like okay kio is giving me Alex in that moment where it's just like

i i invested a half a million dollars into my business it's just a lot of accounting talk

that can you have a bunch of different things you made 500 thousand dollars that you made off the lover boy that you're investing back into your company like to meet payroll so again i get i get it it can meet so many different things but the fact that he was like you know like i would invest in Carl one of like my best friends company you know someone i've known for so long and who invest in mine but like i would have to fire my entire staff to do it is what he was like

trying to be like oh it was like that's so many grand rest over statement for just saying yeah i didn't feel like supporting like i did the same time too worried wasn't he the one bragging in the beginning of the season about like his DJ Torren how now he gets paid to go out versus egging to be out did he say he put 500 k of his own money into but his own money was like your own money came from lover boy and came from the episode of summer house it's very like one

episode of summer house you couldn't you couldn't give half of your paycheck first you know also well the also the point is is when Carl gave the fifteen thousand dollars probably worth more it with the assumption was he didn't really have he had he didn't have fifteen thousand dollars to give so for that it was like this insane amount of money for him and then Kyle clearly he's like it might

he might be in a tough spot right now but he had a half a million dollars to just like you know and then

but nine thousand whatever how much this episode i'm getting paid for plus i'm going on toward this weekend like he was it was easy it seemed like it was easy for Kyle to dismiss Carl the the my yeah Carl in in those situations and just the way the way Kyle is this he's so it's so easy for him to be like no one understands my play right that's my biggest issue with Kyle it's like every season he like somehow finds this way that he's the victim of his own life

due to the choices that he made himself yep and i'm just like i'm sorry like after a while the shit gets old it's like you know watching like grow up yeah put Carl in the bed i need to go i i just need to go back to the men and women friendships i'm just like you're telling me from your standpoint you can be flirty and and that's not a potential risk of ruining the friendship that that that one person who's cited yeah and if it's but have they are they talking about how

they're both receiving the flirting they just they just did that well that would ruin the flirting yeah i just like i just the platonic friendships that i had that i that really mattered to me that i valued that i were that were really like this friendship means a lot to me i didn't i didn't flirt i was very i didn't want to like make blurred lines i didn't want like i i wanted this was my friend you know and i i i i i cherished that relationships

so i i went out of my way not to do things that some some person could be seen as confused because yeah i've had i've had women friends that no i i was very you know careful i didn't give any reason for them to like read a situation wrong and even then things got weird if i got a

“girl friend and i was and i remember feeling very like why like why are you more unavailable than”

you aren't out even then that can happen but i'm just saying like when two people who acknowledge there's a physical attraction and they also flirt but they're just friends like can't that you're

attracted to jessie maybe not i don't know but i don't also don't think i also don't think Sierra when she's having that awkward moment with jessie when she goes like you know she's just very earnest and serious she's like you know if you really wanted to you could have just fucking asked and we don't know whether Sierra would have again pursued jessie but again back to what jet how how Sierra describes how she wants to meet someone it's very coded in these

types of friends that she has where she's hoping that if if one of these guys that if he was really serious about it and really wanted to like take that next step she's this expecting a guy to like take himself seriously take her seriously and pursue her like the way she deserves to be treated so i'm just saying like you it can't be both and i'm just friends with them and like i can't believe that he's making a move and i'm so weird it out versus i'm just saying like

these those types of friendships always have an expiration i mean it was the way that jessie went

about it right because Sierra specifically said it outright she was like what she wants is she wants to be friends with someone and then she wants him to like ask her on a date properly what jessie did is he went around her talk he made it fucking yeah he did the thing where he made it fucking weird i'm yeah jessie fucked up i'm just saying these types of friendships in general always have some kind of expiration date and it's like it's just a matter of time before someone reads

it wrong or makes it fucking weird or whatever they recovered right like they had that very mature conversation and i think that they'll continue to be friends maybe jessie would be a little different yeah right because when someone makes it kind of weird you just like grease up boundaries after that situation like i think they're going to be fine but their boundaries are very confusing

“i mean i might become a little queer now but that's what i'm saying where i'm like i think”

even then when when friendships are like ambiguous like that where it's like oh it's fun it's flirty it's whatever but it's platonic it's nothing so it's like it's fun to joke but i'm like

it's never taken like that stuff in series not the type of girl that's just gonna like make out

drunkenly one night and be like oh will we won't we you know when jessie goes when jessie goes seerah doesn't want to be casual like that was such a like that's who jessie is right he's just every and and west like i like west but i think west i think the difference between west maturity and jessie is that jessie does this thing where he's like he's giving fuckboys giving fuckboy but like whether it's a last season like xie is that he's he's like no i i'm really

serious about finding a girl i'm really like i'm a relationship guy you know and then he like kind of giving the little love bami and like really leans in but the end of the day what he really wants is this all he he wants to keep a casual he wants to be in his late 20s early 30s famous at living in New York and it it seems like west is pretty like yeah i'm just kind of keeping it casual and doesn't do the thing where he kind of like jumps into a relationship and to me that's a

little bit more mature than jessie because jessie does the thing where he wants is kicking you too and then sometimes when he really likes a girl it gets very confusing for her because like he thinks he can like keep it casual with his women friends and be flirty while also like say like I'm in love with you jessie jessie like is trying to you all but as a straight man and it's just it doesn't work like that that's my take on jessie yeah i think i think that that Sierra's approach is

it flawed i think that it's that it from what i've seen is that you could have a platonic friendship it just both parties need to be down for it and both parties need to like yeah i'm not yeah

“yeah that's what i'm saying like let's see what happens with her and Ben's friendship and her”

and kj's friendship like so far those seem like very healthy platonic i also think it's kind of like it kind of have the audacity to go into the idea of anything going further with with me then like from the friendship that we have you should have been able to come to me with that not talk about me like i'm just another girl that you're just gonna drunk and leave it out like Carl and Anne Sierra exactly and kind of had like a flirty vanter Carl then went to Sierra and was like i feel like if things

were differently it would have been me and you and she was like yeah i'm not into it and then they recovered and they're still friends yeah a great relationship and Carl could go in the bed and Carl but also it could be about Carl was so sweet about it too he was just like i think you're beautiful

amazing yeah that was a little bit more serious and intentional now i'm a man where jessie's just like

well jet like honestly like just like just like just like just like i think like any friendship that's man woman at some point has to have that conversation i agree regardless of if you're flirty

“regardless if you're not flirty just at some point you need to have the like if it's not you”

guys it's probably other people asking yeah because like jessie admitting that it's like because here doesn't keep him casual it to me it says he would have been down to have this casual thing with Sierra if she were down which means like you would have some loot as well with literally yeah he also random suck his toe yeah well they think someone not the type of guy that

and west is that like jessie still has the delusion that he could maybe keep it casual Sierra

“even though deep down he knows that's not true and he was just making tv and disrespecting his”

friend along the way which they're moving past but west at this point has learned his lesson with Sierra and knows that he can't pull that shit and can't pretend to keep something casual when it's not and so now he's longing in yearning but that's being like they love you playing well and i'm also maybe i would be down that like have something with this girl and he just knows he fucked up i also kind of think too where i might be just with the unnatural element to this too

is the fact that they are on a show together repeatedly year after year so i'm also kind of like and they were made friends because they were put in a share house on a show together not because they chose each other so it's not like Sierra was like oh my god jessie you have such amazing stand-up qualities it's like no i got to know who you are outside of being somebody that it's that you're interested in and somebody that's dating you so i see the person that you are the good friend

that you can be versus like oh i met him out he was a sleaze bag and also their first time meeting she was with his best friend exactly friend of on the show like member there yeah they kiss on the lips while she was dating west it's like a funny joke ha ha so i'm like they've

always this whole group already has this like very interesting dynamic of a friendship but i'm

just like i just don't think if anything is that serious until you know jessie's talking about something that sounds like oh that sounds serious until someone's crying about because they they're feelings are because it's something serious because someone makes it serious yeah well because you trust someone and then they go you think that you know someone and then they you know what i mean it's a stabion the bad question of just like how reliable or how good familiarity is when you're

when you're meeting someone come again well familiarity like we like familiarity it's like part of chemistry you know like like you said they all work together they go out they're often familiar with each other and so there's just like it's just easier to get along they they're this whole cast known can relate to them like they can relate to each other so i you know like familiarity we go to the same church we were all on the bachelor together whatever it is you know like that creates

this kind of chemistry you know like now you know i had no familiarity when we met each other you know

it's like we had to get to know each other that made a little awkward and there's tension at first

but like i think when we date we you know what do we say about the challenge about dating is like those like superficial conversations on a date or you're just like i even know if i can care all right so yeah it's your mom's name but familiarity like allows us to feel this chemistry it makes it easy at first but i think it limits our pool and it makes us like have chemistry with people who or otherwise deeply flawed at least for us yeah that's true and or consider it

“and you know like who we don't even know what series dating life is like outside the show you know”

it's like for all it's just they're just making tv but we see like all these people have this familiarity they're all like pretty good looking they're all charismatic and it's almost like impossible not to like make that decisions in the in the in this framework of the show it's like you get well hello vendor pump rules i was like it's the perfect example the blueprint of just like this group of people that are together all the time nobody understands their plate they're working as like waiters

but then there's in getting paid pennies and yet like they're known all over the world if not just the united states as like people are coming to go to this restaurant to harass saucy hoping they get sat in her section that i'm like it's not crazy that like oh the best friend hooks up with the ex-boyfriend the whole thing and it's just like yeah because there's nobody else in their in their little bubble of people which is why it just made such great reality tell us well

hey school you don't you can people you weren't even allowed to like across town to meet someone else senior does like well i guess you're not going to limit it options yeah that's really you don't like anymore can i can i can we all be helping this literally just taking like junior year and putting it in your thirties and god bless i mean like yeah last it went you know the fact that just even s west like if he would care is the most high school i went to a private high school we had

30 kids in our class imagine that literally i'm talking about it and guess what it is very to reach out this we are that i'm married one of them well summer house i mean the the relationship

“discourse is outstanding yeah well i think that was sincere we'll go back together me too”

and i also want that cardio watch i got a link for you i was watching it and and uh i mean like you know what kind of getting a lot of attention for this watch maybe i need a buy less stuff and i was like we still did not get a sexy met night it's not like she laid it on um like we didn't get an undercover black and white moon sessions so she only asked where was uh was a couple sfoto and she took one with Ben but she did sit on his lap you know she's not on this lap and

i mean it's like the that also Kyle being like we had so much fun i've never been more in love with

he was like yes because she stayed up past midnight like i just went out with you

“we were not yet that's why i love my life so much we were so in the same page when they're like”

they come home from the bars at three three o'clock staying up and you wait like i can't be like what time is it by now it's got to be 5 a.e.

i was going to say i was like chicken dip what time i could go chicken dip what time was the

buffalo chicken dip coming out of the oven guys that's like the best part of the night oh my god when you when you come back to the house after going out and then you're like pizza roll

“right i mean but you eat for 20 minutes and then you go down and you turn on you turn on music”

you rip and chill you guys you're already going for me it's crazy maybe some good like good cereal and you go to bed junk food for sure maybe a video game with the boys but like i need a wine down oh no i'm saying we're going to night no we're winding down my favorite night that i've like had out with some friends this one time was me and two of my friends one to a bar we got back at probably like 12 to 12 thirty and then we both we had talked about the

movie nyan when we're making like fun of it and then we were like should we just watch it and then we had another drink and ordered food and watch nyan like two hours and we weren't going to finish it and we did three am not that yeah we've got home and we're eating buffalo chicken dip at what had to be 5 a.m. listen i just said at the bar time plenty of times it's just like when i get home at three it's like time to wind down the fact that they were like kept it going

you haven't come back to a house with your friends and been like all right it's fucking extra party so yes but you know they truly are group of friends for them to be able to do that yeah but below chicken just takes 40 minutes to make my god and guess what they're bonded to be preparing their time like there's no way they were like shredding chicken oh so guess what Western Sierra are trying to stay away grading cheese there's no I've actually peeped that before

that the not like uber eats a order like it's got to be a bottle like frozen so i hope you're right

“Mary about West and Sierra i'm i'm afraid you're wrong and i i i i'm team west Sierra i think i'm”

team Sierra i'm team Sierra's heart i just don't want it i just don't want it i just don't want it there everybody thank you to our guest Andrew and Derek and Alex from Love's Bond

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