E1095 - Age of Attraction w/ Libby, Vanelle & Justin, Mormon Wives, The Oscars, RHOBH & Southern Hospitality

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That's me undies.com/comfort code comfort. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another fantastic episode of the Valfiles Reality Repedition. I'm your host Nick Join, but my very talented, everyone thinks she's been hosting for years now. Life, Natalie Join, isn't she really a star?

I told you all, you know, you knew what I would do, but like it's like is this Naly's first time hosting age of attraction people seem to be enjoying it. It's not free on the Netflix top 10, yeah. I don't know about this virgin river show or this other anime. They seem to have strong.

One piece of really big. I'm not hating it, I'm just, I'm recognizing they are seem to be

“powerhouse show. I think you're a powerhouse show that's amongst one piece.”

But no, everyone seems to really be enjoying it. Most importantly, binging it, whether you're a lover or a hater, you seem to be locked in. Which is all we really care about it, and we have, so we're really excited about it.

It's been a lot of fun. We'll obviously dive into some of these episodes the first batch.

We do have a two more episodes of age of attraction dropping on Wednesday on Netflix. So we will talk about episodes, I think, two through five today. Along with our special guests, Libby and Venelle join us to talk about their experiences. Obviously, we have a very heated scene between Jorge and Venelle, which I thought was fascinating. Yeah, it's super interesting.

Yeah. And we also have fan favorite Justin. That's sweet. Gone too soon. I'm so excited. So we do ask Venelle if there's any chance that maybe she might pick up the call.

The phone call and reach out to Justin. So you'll get some answers there. Along with, obviously, the oral intimacy. Yes. That's what this scene is.

That's that, and too, etc. I am Team Venelle. I don't think we have to be teams here. Team Venelle, we can let you see whatever they want to be. Sure, yeah.

You know, fans can, Nick and I are not picking sides because they are all our children. Do I get to take sides? I'm a fan of your own part. Maybe baby Jorge is like a little baby Jorge. Well, it's a little baby six year old man.

I have seen like feedback. I mean, obviously, there's so much. I have not scoured the internet. Mm-hmm. So I'm sure there's a lot of feedback.

“But some feedback I have seen, which I was really happy to see, and that's how I felt,”

is that like, it's a generally likable cast, but they get into complicated conversations that are fascinating that you may agree or disagree with. But we'll dive into it more later this episode. And we do have Justin, Libby, and Venelle to unpack their experiences on age of attraction. We also have the new trailer from "Fortimitation Island," which I think drops after.

Which I hope this season is an absolutely rare. Yeah, I'm really excited. I think we get some new temptation. I'm so ready for these slutty couples to break up on these beaches. It's a crazy tagline, but not wrong.

It's TV, baby. Yeah. We also have the secret lives of Mormonwives.

We're going to cover the first two episodes.

And then they're also on the internet. We'll get into that. What's going on? What's not going on?

“Are we tracking these ladies from a show standpoint?”

Are we tracking them from their social media, the news? The timeline is more confusing than the Marvel Cinematic Universe. We need other gay characters to put things in order. Yes, we do have the timeline. I need receipts.

Yeah, it's very confusing. Also, we're all housewives of Beverly Hills. I just saw Andy Cohen tweet being like, send in your questions for the reunion. And everyone was like, "We don't have any." I think we have two episodes.

It seems it feels like two episodes left to try to make some sense. Say what you're one about Amanda, but she is caring this season. I love the show in general. The thing is she's caring this season, but it's about as heavy as the clouds. She's up in Milwaukee's hands.

What was the tweet you read that was like this whole season is based off of Amanda saying something about Doreats. Some man is saying something mildly and sensitive about Doreats divorce. What the entire season is about is one comment made an episode one. No, literally still on it.

Where I'm like, sorry, Amanda didn't have to do much, but thank God she's on this season

Sutton's entire storyline, I'm nice now. Like girl! I must be watching a different show. I'm eating this season up. Rachel Zoe, Sutton's enrollment.

Like there's so much here. Bo's sharing her infertility struggles. Like every time. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. It's just not much to like discuss regarding drama.

Yeah, Rachel's showed up. She's like, "I am kidding." Burned my ex husband's reputations to the ground. Damn, damn my children. Her things should have been damaged.

Damn, damn my children's relationship with their father. And whoever the terrible girlfriend truly is.

Yeah, she's her name never gets out there publicly.

It is an L.A. story. Oh, I'll give Beverly Hills that. Well, I did buy River Some chalk for, um, I actually bought it for her Easter basket. Cute. Yeah.

And then I bought the 20 pack. It was the smallest pack they had. I felt like, you know, honestly feels like a little much from your old, but sure. You know, maybe we'll give her one row of colors at a time and make it last for years. Well, then Nick, all of a sudden, gets a hold of it.

And I, at this man's days in the backyard for the entire weekend doing murals on our, on our, on his backyard sidewall. The exaggeration in that. It's that was true, though. It was true.

It was beautiful. It was beautiful. It only parts that wasn't beautiful in 40 minutes. Maybe. He wouldn't let River be.

He was like, "Wrap, you're going to, you don't know. How do you have your own square on your own square on your own square?

“You have to try to go into your square on the sky.”

It's not working." You know what? I think that's a good lesson for her to learn.

There's always going to be like that bitchy girl in your class.

And it's better to wear that to her mom. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I think that's a good relationship for you guys to have. But he told me this morning that he needs more colors.

Yeah. Yeah. I need some more colors. Yeah. I need some more colors.

I'm here for this. I got one on the chamber. I whipped one up this morning. Yeah. This is my favorite thing I've learned about you.

I didn't know that you were an artist. Yeah. I'm not. You're an artist. You're an artist.

You're a girl like that. You're good. You're not selling good work by any means. But you are an artist. Yeah.

You're artistic. Do you feel like better when you do it? Do you feel more like yourself? I enjoy doing it. Do I feel more like myself?

Yeah. Are you destressing? I do. I do. Yeah.

I do. I do. I do put on music. It's like a vibe. You sound out.

Like, what do you do? It honed in. No. It was more honed in this morning. That's what I mean.

Yeah. No. I did tell Natalie to buy you adult coloring books because I think like psychologically speaking, you can like de-stress and release and decompress when you are coloring.

“Like, that's why there are adult coloring books.”

I don't like crayons and medium. No. But there's so many different forms of, but what's so funny? Are you more of a colored pencil guy? What are we working with?

It was so serious. You came out of nowhere. Great. I don't like crayons. Medium.

The thing about Nick is that he doesn't want to use any art supplies if they are bought for him. Ah. Valentine's Day for years ago, I bought him like canvas watercolor paints, tools, pastel, all kinds of things.

I'm like, you get back in that creative space. I think honestly it's all still. Where is it? So I think I have to buy an adult coloring book and be like, this is for River. Are we going to bring it up?

No. We're going to bring it up. I'll find him doing it. The comment I appreciated the most was I reminded him from Bert from Mary Poppins. Oh, yes.

Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. All I have to say is those hating on Nick engaging in the arts are sounding like Timothy Shalame.

And if you saw the Oscars, did you see that the Center's Life Performance brought out Missy Copeland? Oh, yes. Oh. A famous ballerina.

Oh. Timothy was front row and they brought her out. Maybe Charlottom. Did they put the camera on him? Did they?

I don't know if they brought put the camera on him. But I was pretty like, if this is all good, clean fun, I am here for it.

“I think it's amazing that we can get a little goofy and not take ourselves too seriously.”

Oh, yes. If this is like, I have so much more respect for Doja Cat over the weekend because we saw her like, the heat for Timmy got a little hot. I mean, it started to get to the point where like, whoa, calm down. What are we?

Let me talk about here. I mean, I have a free celebrity was asked on the red carpet like, what are your thoughts on Timothy Shalame's recent comments about ballet and opera? Yeah. Like, there was a little, it was a little heavy and then Doja Cat posted some criticism

and then posted and said, you know what, honestly, fuck me. I honestly, I don't know why I said that. That was a little performative on my part.

She's like, I've never seen the ballet and I've also never been to an opera show.

And that, she was so real for that show, you know, just to like ride away. And I'm sure like, you know, she was probably just having fun, but the criticism got like, again, a little too serious and divisive, it was like, we're just, come on. I was going to say it's like, if anything kind of glad he made the comments because I think it's putting a lot more spotlight on those two classic art forms than ever before.

Remember when COVID everything almost like Broadway is dead and then it's like, look at Broadway now, everybody and their mother is trying to get on Broadway. Yeah. So shout out to me. Yeah.

He did maybe possibly ruin his Oscar chances though. Well, I mean, he was up against Michael B. Jordan playing smoke and stack. He did play two people. He did play two people. Yeah.

Where his performance was incredible. He looked really great. Yeah. His was just a man. And Oscar for smoke or for staff.

“I think it was for both smoke and for stack.”

And then he actually. His speech was just like incredible. Where he just like, you know, he so many people love Michael B. Jordan.

And I do, I have always felt that like the world collectively has just seen him and been like, yeah.

That's like good guy. And he like recognized that. What's that? What's that? Yeah.

And I'm like, hot and talented and a good person and like, I want to live up to that for you. Like, you can bring your mother to all of these award shows and we do love that. Yeah. It was just beautiful.

And sinners was so amazing. And I love Ryan Kougler so much. And I want best picture. I watched sinners did not know that it was going to be about vampires. And I was.

Or the blues. Or the blues. Exactly. It's like, too awesome thing. Vampires and the blues.

This is taking good turn. Okay. I was so surprised. Yeah. Okay.

And playing guitar. And having sex. Like, it's a great movie. Do you think, um, do you think Tim's upset? Or do you feel like you're like, you think so?

Yeah. I would imagine he is. He's, I do want him to have the same career that Leonardo DiCaprio has where every

time he's in a movie, he gets nominated, never wins.

Then he's in a movie that everyone's like, this one's fine. And then he wins. Yeah.

“That's kind of my, that's what I see for him, little Timmy Tim Tim.”

I just love how the winning the Oscar. We've really peeled back the curtains to how commercialized and performative this whole campaign is. And it seems to have almost nothing to do with the actual performance. Oh, yeah.

It has so much to do with the fundraising on this. The fundraising, the campaign. Yeah. Yeah. The fun raising.

The campaign. Yeah. I noticed a lot in the speeches that Amy Matt, like, we'll Amy Madigan won for her role in weapons. It's amazing.

She's amazing. It was win for the divas was Amy Madigan's role. And it was a horror movie. I'm going to say it was typical for a horror movie, even to be nominated. It's crazy.

It's like silent. Like it's awesome. That's really good. It's really good. It's really good that she won.

Weapons was amazing. Her performance was just, but what I was going to say is that it was so interesting. Her speech as well as a lot of other ones really focused on all the relationships I've made on this campaign with my fellow nominees. So it was like very intentionally about the community that they all kind of built together

while campaigning to kind of instead of the sort of empty, oh, it's an honor to be just be nominated with these nominees. They were like, no, these relationships we made while at these press events and stuff is like what's gotten us through. And I just thought that was interesting that they were like openly talking about it

on this stage. Well, shout out to all the nominees and the winners of last night's Oscars. And Conan rocked. Conan is an icon. Conan was so funny.

Well, as we mentioned, we do have the new trailer for "Temptation Island Coming Soon" on Netflix following the new hit show, Age of Attraction. So should we play this trailer? Yes, we absolutely should.

So, bigger check, potentially some better acts and always being hotter than your acts.

Welcome to "Temptation Island" like so many couples. You reached a point where you need some clarity.

“Are you guys ready to meet your "Temptars and Temptarsis"?”

Fire it up. You're on this island, you're going to live a part, and you're going to be surrounded by singles whose only mission is to tempt you. Oh my gosh. The admitting that I like this experience in this feeling feels selfish.

There's so many fish in the sea. It feels a little risky to be playing with fire right now, but I'm here for it. What is there to feel guilty for? I invented them in, who's a world-friendly. I've got to shoot my shot, how I need to shoot my shot.

It's time for me to be selfish. He did what he did, and I'm going to do what I'm going to do. With the father of my children, make me feel this way. It might really such a [bleep] boyfriend. I have a hard time acknowledging that.

And coming here and learning myself is time for me to focus on me. I know what I deserve. This is love. If it were easy, we wouldn't be a "Temptation Island." My goal is to walk out of here with her, but only a time will tell.

You're being bad. You guys are going to the other villa. This is going to be "Jurama." Oh, so he'd be in here. He doesn't want to put in that hard work.

Do you love me enough? I'm here to figure out what's best for me, and I think me and her are both finding that. I'm sorry. Kids, this is real [bleep]

Bye. [dramatic music] - A lot of mantirs. - I'm excited. - A lot of deaths feel like the women are womening the season. - I think we're going to get some mantirs this season,

which is very exciting. - It's always like the guys

like being guys, and then the their partners being like, "I can't believe I brought him to the station." And then you're like, "Come on, do something." And you're like, "I'm just sad." - And I think it's the other way around.

- I'm here for it. - Yeah. - There's nothing I love more than watching someone regret their decision. Like realizing that when they had was so special and like, "Oh my god, I might lose it."

- And listen, I'm boring. I'm probably going to be rooting for the couple that is tempted the least, just like Alexa and Lino last season.

“Oh, yeah, that's what I'm obsessed with them, still together.”

- Yeah, they're so good. - Yeah, I love their content. They are so fucking cute. - I mean, yeah, I'm sure I'll be rooting for them. But I, as a lover of chaos, and also really going to want to see these women

on these men's next and the guy in this toilet like, "Oh, you're being bad." - Are you being bad? - Yeah, I want it.

- I want, that's hard for now.

- Just kidding. - She is the temperature. - Yes. - I want to see the temperatures and the temperatures. - Well, it kind of like vanilla from age of which action when she goes to Hawaii, you're a dangerous.

- By the way, can we come up with different travel, you know what I mean? - Travel, you know what I mean? - Travel, you know what? - Spices are not near to dangerous, you're bad.

- I don't, like, just use some symptoms. - What would you, would you, would you love for you? - What do you, what do you, um... - You're confusing me. (laughing)

- I think that is confusing. - Yeah. - Suddenly, I'm sending that hot hot hot hot. - No, you're, you're so beautiful. - Wow. - What does it mean?

- I love you. - You're pretty, I love you. - Yeah, you make me feel warm inside. - I feel safe. - You don't like your naughty.

- No. (laughing) - Not even a little bit. - No, no. (laughing)

- Well, if you haven't gotten tickets yet, we will be with this new cast of "Temptation Island Live." On May 4th, so get your tickets while they last. The Netflix is a joke festival is coming to Los Angeles and we are excited to be a part of it

with the new cast of "Temptation Island."

“So, if you want to have a fun, messy, wild night out”

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or go to vfals.com, you can do either. - Don't forget that last Friday, we dropped a going deeper episode with Love is Blinds Amber and Brittany. And we get a lot of the TV behind the divorce of Amber

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that we're putting out there, including our reality recap, deep dies, where we were dive deeper. In the episodes, I think we're in a dive into some super-lies of Mormon wives as well as age of attraction this week.

Maybe get some bravo as well. We also have our pop extra roundup where we discussed the very important logistics of Oscar award winning season amongst many other things.

“Also, I believe, we didn't even talk about it this episode.”

But my name is Hannah Montana. - Oh, best, just in an eye action. - Part two. - Devores part of two, just in an eye did get into it. - A lot of stuff that we will get into.

Plus, your update specials where you get your favorite updates from your favorite ASNIC episodes. All on Vophiles Plus. So go to Vophiles.com to join. All right, should we get into some age of attraction?

- Yes, please. - So we now know everyone's age. - Yeah. - Everyone's age. - Fun reveal.

Not gonna lie. - Are you most shocked by? - Oh, or hey, probably. - Yeah, or hey. - I was like between, I was guessing like 50, maybe 45 to 50

and then when he said six years like, I don't know, I didn't see that one coming. - Nope, no. - That means going to ARP court. - Yeah, I didn't realize that.

- I love all of them to be honest. I feel like I resonate obviously with Libyan Fiverr 'cause like those are people that I understand, like vibe-wise and energy about the same time I love the rest of the couples.

- I really like Derek. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Teresa, love Teresa. - Teresa and John, I'm just so,

I'm like so curious for like the next drop

She's having like a full and freak out at the end of the last episode. And I was like, girl, I get it. I get it. It's like reality you're living in this fun fantasy,

but then it's like making shit real. Like I'm like, I cannot wait to see the introduction to the friends and family. - Well, another interesting element of this show.

“You know, I think there's always all this type of discourse”

when it comes to relationships and age differences. And I think a lot of time especially like online,

you know the people who are critical.

Well, sometimes lean into the power discrepancy between the older person and the younger person. And I think what's fascinating that we're seeing, especially with like Teresa and some of the, some of the women, even Jolene.

Is that like a lot of the, like, you see Teresa a lot of times talking to Jonathan or Jolene talking to Wes. And they really wanna know, like how much paint, like what have you been through, right?

You know, like, are you serious? Like, yeah, it's a lot of it has to do with life experience, but it's usually centered around, can I actually, you know, is my heart safe with you, right? And so you want someone like the Wes character, right?

Like, I think he's Jolene's attractive. - I have a crush on Jolene, right? - Which is it's Jolene? - It's Instagram? - She's Jolene.

- She's a bit, she's a little bit, right? And I think there really is a chemistry there,

“but when you see the reason why I ultimately,”

I think she, you know, rejected him is because he was very much giving off this kind of like, listen, like, you know, it's, let's feel good. It's, you know, I'm, I'm into what could go wrong, you know, and she's sitting there at 49 years old

with, she's a mom, an ex-husband, a career. She's like, let me tell you what can go wrong. Like, a lot can go wrong, you know, when you've been in these relationships and you give your heart to someone,

and even if it's like, you know, it's always someone's fault,

but like, you know, nowadays we're in these like, you know, when people break up, someone has to be labeled a narcissist or some kind of like terrible person. No, you can just have two people, get it wrong,

grow apart, grow apart, and there's a lot of hurt, and there's a lot of pain. And I think sometimes you're seeing, I think, you know, like Teresa, a lot of people relate to her

because like so much of falling in love again, later in life, is that like, this is person know what I've been through. Can they relate to these experiences because if they can't, you know,

regardless of what age they are, if they've never had their heart broken, if they've never had to really deal with a painful breakup, you really feel like that person can't relate to you. And then, or they're just very cavalier,

but it's just like, whatever, let's just move in, you know, like, what, what, what's the, you know, and I find that to be really fascinating because you know, when I met Natalie, it sounds weird to say,

but the more I learned about her dating life and more I learned about like some unfortunate periods that she had to go through,

“the more I honestly felt safer opening up to her”

and moving through with our relationship because, you know, she's not gonna be careless with her. - Yeah, because she had been through a lot of also painful experiences in her life because it just makes you feel safer.

And I think that's such a fascinating part about this show that I really enjoy because that's something that a lot of times early in relationships we don't talk about, or acknowledge. - I was just gonna say, I mean, it's kind of like

when West was like, I'm 30, I would 31 or whatever, however, or whatever. I think she's like, I definitely thought you were younger than that and he's like, thank you. (laughing)

- I had a compliment, yeah, she thinks you're a major. - Yeah, I was gonna say Nick, 'cause I thought about this too of like how, you can have life experiences at a younger age about the same time, you can be the older person

in that age, got relationship, and not have had those life experiences, 'cause then you see like, you see in those dynamics of, okay, maybe me as the younger person like, I'm going about this in a more quote-unquote mature way than like, you are.

And like, you have the history of dating younger people. It's like, I feel like, you know, like it goes both ways which is fascinating. - Well, and again, now, you know, hookup culture's been more and more prevalent.

So, you look at someone like West, he's 31, that's not that young. - Yeah. - Like, he's in his 30s. - Yeah. - Like 20 years ago, you were a few years away from being a graph author, you know?

But now it's just like, now, you know, a 31 year old man, he's been fuckboying maybe for 10 years.

You know, there's a good chance he's never really

been in a serious relationship. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, he mentioned he had lived with someone before, but we don't really know. He's giving, it was very unserious. Like, he's not, he doesn't move like a guy

who's like, really been fucked up in a relationship by someone, you know? And he has this kind of very like, again, have a little approach. And then you look at like John and Trisa

and like so many other conversations that she's just like, she's really listening to his answers because she just wants to know how safe she is to trust, you know, letting go and just like falling for this guy and it's one, you know,

you can tell when Trisa's talking to John

she knows what it's like to live past a honeymoon phase, it get into a relationship and she, you know, and it's unclear at this point in the show whether John can relate to that.

“And I think that's what's so fascinating about it.”

- We have Teresa who's talking to John about her son being two years older than him and it's like, that's definitely gonna make you think about a lot and really process a lot. - It's not what I'll say, it's weird.

- It's also, yeah, it's a constant reminder. - It's like, right? - Yeah, yeah. - What do you do and it's just like, is are your feelings for this person, like stronger than whatever, like Freudian thing that's happening in the back of your mind?

- And it's her children. - Yeah. - You know, it's one thing for now to be like,

my older sister who my whole life was always so much older than me

is my, is close her nage to my husband, but that's like, okay, sure, you're sibling, like it's child. - Like that, that can be weird, you get over that. When it's your kid, tougher to get over.

- Yeah, 'cause you're, yeah, I couldn't imagine it. But it's like, it's such an interesting experience. And you have, I think a lot of people have these thoughts about like the kind of person who would do that. And like, they're like, weird and fucked up or whatever.

But then you look at Teresa. And you're like, that's a wonderful, beautiful human being. Like she seems amazing. And so it's like a really fun, I don't know. It's a really interesting dynamic to watch

and learn from. - Then also, we had a vaccine. - Yes, I'm dry. - Yes, I'm dry. - Tell me what you want. He says I want you.

- Yeah. - Is the way I would be mortified? - Yeah. - No, us.

- Yeah, let's have some more cast.

- I'm not shaming her, I'm, I would just be mortified for a private intimate moment. Like that to be aired on national television. - I think in that moment, Teresa is a hero. For all the people, specifically the ladies right there

and anywhere in her age gap are made to feel like they can't just get their brains fucked out of them. - It was not sex-layer. - They did not know that that was gonna air. - No.

- They definitely did not know that that was there. But they were told that there were mics in the apartment. - Yeah. - Yeah, we're told. So when she said, "Tell me what you want,"

and he said, "I want you." And then they knew that was unrefited. - I do think if that, if I ever had to hear myself,

“that's why we didn't even know that moment.”

- Yeah, I would walk into another room. - That is literally what I'm talking about. - Yes, and I will say-- - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room.

- I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room.

- I would walk into another room. I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room.

- I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room. - I would walk into another room.

- Who are just going to be-- well, because I don't want to say worried about her kid. - Okay, Nian, and then now, her kids are going to hear a mommy moan. - Oh, kids are going to hear that, I don't want to hear-- I don't want anybody in my life to hear me moan. - You're a man, Jannie.

- When you think about your creation, don't you hope that your parents enjoyed themselves? - I don't want to know. - Did you guys not accidentally almost walk in on your parents' ever? - Never.

- I thought they had nine chances for you to walk in to my mom having a baby. - What? - What? - Was she having a baby in a house? - Well, the last three births my mom chose to have home births in a house.

- She was like, I just might as well try to make some things out. - Oh, my god. - I was a junior in high school, and I was at the time where your friends had a very comfortable walking in and how do your friends' houses.

“- And I was like, where was she? - Oh, you remember?”

- Yeah, what stage? - I don't think he saw anything he couldn't come back from. - Oh, God. - It's no crowning. - He's like, I was holding her leg.

- Yeah. - Yeah, it was no wing. - But-- - He's an OBGYN now. - He's an OBGYN now.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an OBGYN now. - But then on the flip side, we have Vanessa and Logan who-- - They're not.

- She's like, babes. - I'm friends out in what's going on here. I need some action. - To be with-- - What do I wear for it's that one?

- To have to be Vanessa and who by the way, Vanessa? Love that girl. - Love her down.

- To be like, finally with your like, hot guy that you've gotten.

And then he's acting like you're roomy. - But then his answer was like, definitely respect. - Yeah, I do. - You know, she doesn't want to be rude. - I mean, the way the--

- Yeah, it's like, I don't want you to risk it. - The double standard that we have when a guy is waiting to be intimate. The way we are like, what's the wrong wrong with you, dude? - Well, that's what's gonna stay, too.

It's been kind of interesting. It's saying like the younger men on this show where I feel like I don't know just like raised in a way

And it's like really interesting to watch

even um, Leon Chris. Like it's like Chris being like, I have my routine. And I like to be left alone, like this is a lot for me. And like she's just like, I just want somebody to sit on the couch and love me.

And it's like, it's just very interesting seeing where different people are at. And then it really doesn't have anything to do with their age. It's just like what they're looking for in a relationship. But it is very interesting to me seeing these like,

young, hot men that are like, I just wanted to take my time and respect you.

“And I'm just like, oh, I think you see that with Logan.”

With Chris, I think you will, more will be revealed. - Chris, I'm not saying, yeah, like in the sense of gentlemen, but I just think it's really interesting that he's so like regimented and like set in his ways, I guess. He just seems very selfish.

- Keep in mind when these people are filming, they have no phones, they have no TV, they have no friends and family, it is, you know, like love is blind

or like the bachelor and, you know, it is like,

this isn't an experiment. And they are creating an environment to maximize these people's feelings. So for Chris to be like, well, I'm going to the gym and I'm going to go, you know, he's hanging out.

- Like the goal is to spend as much quality time with the person you have a limited time with. So it's an interesting choice by Chris to like, not just like, I have nothing else to do. - Can you realize that, right?

Like we're supposed to be hanging out, that's like the whole thing. - We have a question, like so then when they're in the apartment so they allow to leave the apartment, they have to each other the whole time. - No, they can do it clearly, they can do whatever they want. Chris did, you know, like we saw with Jorge and Vinelle

and we'll get some clarity, at least Vinelle's side of the story, when we interview Vinelle about like what happened on the streets of Vancouver. But like that was a moment where they weren't being filmed, they were like, we're going to go shopping.

- I'm going to go shopping. - I'm going to go shopping. - I'm going to go shopping. - I'm going to go shopping. - I'm going to go shopping.

- The person is just kind of keep an eye on him because the show is in those moments responsible for them. But like the, the cast was allowed to hang out and spend time together, even when they weren't being filmed and they very much, you know, we wanted them to take advantage

of that moment.

“- That's why I'm wondering if Leah, like I guess maybe”

like they weren't going out as much or doing many things outside of what was filmed. Like she felt like there wasn't enough like quality time is what, outside of just being in the apartments but I was trying to figure out.

- And it seems like from Chris's side, he's like, I'm just so tired. I just like need to sleep as much as possible. - Well, it is kind of giving when the camera's not around. Chris is going to do his thing.

- That's what I'm working on now. - So. - And I just think Leah's a very, like, great. She's great TV. She is, she's like a great, yeah, she's stunning great TV.

- She's a fight attendant, but I would be - By the time she's walking out of a fight. - Yeah, and she deserves another fight. - I would have done another fight. - Well, there was some recent headlines

based around age of attraction. Ashley, who, within our cast, she, her story, got cut. She is a 38-year-old virgin. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, and she, the press is picking it up.

The press is wondering why her story isn't covered, why she's cut out, was she in a couple? She was also seeing Andrew. - Okay. - Yeah.

- I mean, that was a connection that was being explored. - Okay. - I just, as someone who's rooting for the show success, the fact that this is making headlines. - Great.

- Love that for us. - I love it when there's so much interest in a show that stories like these turn into like, quote unquote, "news" as if it was like something nefarious happened or anything like that.

“The truth is, you know, they are making a TV show.”

And like a lot of this conversation came up on last season of Love's Blind. A lot was made about them not being part of Mexico when they filmed. - Right.

- And the excuse that we heard was budget. And when you're not involved in that production,

that always kind of feels like really,

you couldn't like, you couldn't go in the hotel room. But like, there is a lot of truth in it. Like, well, for us, age of attraction, this was a new season, right? So like, we got eight episodes, certainly as host,

we hope it gets picked up. I hope there's a season two. If there's a season two, we hope there's more episodes. But it is a new season and like with these seasons, they don't know if it's going to work.

They're, they're betting a lot of un, un, un, unproven concept. They don't know their cast, things like that. And it's not just sometimes about like giving an extra room for every couple that you film, there has to be camera crews.

There has to be audio. There has to be producers that can handle that. There, you know, you have to have a team in place. So more and more of these new reality TV shows have smaller crews, smaller budgets, things like that.

So like budgets are a real thing. So as far as our lovely Ashley, who is, you know, what we learned when filming was a virgin, obviously, anyone is a virgin on a reality TV show. There's an interest there.

But she didn't enter in a connection that like the show ended up following. You know, we were very lucky with the show to have as many connections made. I think there were 14 connections made,

And a lot of, and then the other were like age differences.

But like the show is limited early on in terms of like they have sometimes have to make tough choices. There's nothing nefarious about it. There's nothing scandalous.

It's just like new season, limited budget. Don't know how it's going to work. And they have a limited crew to handle this. And I, you know, I imagine after thinking about how it went down an age of attraction, the Vick and Christine,

you know, also when we're, when you're filming this, you don't know who's going to pop. You don't know how the audience is going to respond. Like you are thinking about it. You're making guesses.

But like when we're filming, it's just like Justin, who we are excited to have on the show that everyone seems to be falling for. We didn't get to watch that moment when you got teary-eyed about like maybe not being a father.

You know, that's like a one moment in a TV show when you're filming it. That let's, is this kind of lost on you? There's so much going on. There's all these interviews.

And then when you watch it back, something pops and really has a moment. It's when you're making it very hard to determine that's going to happen. So I think when fans are watching it,

“you're always like, why didn't they fucking do this?”

Why didn't they do this? How did they not know this? It's like sometimes we're just just surprises you guys how things kind of organically, you know, the audience responds to it.

So I think it's this kind of a little background there on how we're going to react to you. I appreciate it that you guys showed those small moments of the other couples that were on the show. Like I think that's something that we don't really acknowledge

when we do watch shows that are love related. And I feel like it was cool to be like, yeah, there's other people here. And they were close or an age and some of them weren't. And when we were making it, there was a lot of conversations

about do we follow one couple that's of similar age in a way that kind of gives validity to the couples that were in different age. - The pros and cons. - The pros and cons.

- Yeah, the controls. - It's like a control couple in a way. I think they're contained needs to be more discussion about if there is a season two, do we do that? But again, this is a new show, you know,

hopefully we make some cool changes and add to what has been a really successful first season. But yeah, it's not, you know, we just kind of figured out

“as we go, you know, and that's how it's,”

it's almost never some kind of nefarious reason, you know?

- Well, speaking of one of these individuals that didn't get a ton of airtime. But when he did, he certainly left a meaningful mark. Justin is with us to talk about his experience on age of attraction and what is next for his love story.

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L L L L. That's better help at GLP.com/v-I-A-L-L. - Stan, welcome to the show. - How are you guys? - We are so good and Nick had to step out.

He was like, "I just can't see Justin's face.

“I get to emotional," I think he might have learned it.”

Call it a story so I just can't even participate. How are you doing? How is watching the show back then? - I'm doing really well. Thank you for asking us nice to see you. Watching the show back, you know,

I had a lot of anxiety about it candidly

because, you know, it's just my first experience

with like anything kind of national TV-wise. And I was worried that I had been like, I don't know, like two vulnerable or two, did I guess, I don't know. But yeah, once I saw everything,

I, it was really kind of beautiful to watch everybody's stories being told. And there was a lot that I didn't know, obviously, 'cause I had gone home early, so. - I mean, you're a fan favorite,

and everyone is like, raving about you. It made me in my five minutes of fame. - You're driving everyone is like, no shame, so Jorge, but they're like, vanilla, what were you thinking?

He's like, "Kat."

“Yeah, like, how has the fan reaction been and felt for you?”

- It's been overwhelming in a positive way.

Everybody has been super kind and like,

I was going into this like, prepared that everybody was gonna be like super mean and like, tell me everything that was wrong with me and like, how ugly I am and it hasn't been that so far and not gonna work, so it's been really great.

Everybody has just reached out and has been super nice and it's a lot to take in, but it's been a really pleasant and very sweet experience overall. - Well, what initially made you wanna do the show?

- Originally, I wanted to do the show. You know, it kind of came out of the blue as the candidate answer. I had broken up with my girlfriend three months before and like some of her parting advice was like,

you should go date somebody younger and then that's like reached out. Now it's like, how's it? - They know that it's as kiss met, it's perfect. Why did she say that what why do you think

that was her feedback? - I mean a lot of reasons. Obviously, I have a ton of shortcomings and relationships right with not be the age that I am and be single, but you know, she's relatively close to my age

and has a child and I think, you know, just some difference in dynamics and some opportunities for me to grow and be a better person. And I learned a lot in that relationship and part of that was, you know, sound advice

and that I needed to kind of like work on myself and figure out how I can be a present and contributing partner. But we're still really great friends. I'm still really close with her son and a big part of their lives.

So it was all for the best for sure. - Well, you mentioned on the show,

“which I think is a part that really got a lot of people”

was you talking about not being married and not having kids by certain age can be seen as a red flag and you talked about not having kids yet not being a father yet. Can you explain a little bit more about that? - Yeah, so, but when you get to be a certain age,

you know, I think women have expectations that you're probably not just women, honestly, my family, as well, my mother, as expectations that I will be married and have a grandchild for her. And, you know, I think it's one of the most challenging

kind of like periods in culture at large, not just specific to a particular age group, but one of the most challenging periods for dating in general, you know? It's like everybody's in kind of these open situationships

and like looking for the next best thing. And I think there's a lot of kind of like macro education around like what are kind of like the red flags

And I think for men of my age not being married and not having kids is definitely one of those kind of precursors of like there might be something off with this guy, not saying that I'm perfect, but yeah,

it's just something I've always wanted

and it just did not work out for me in that way or hasn't. - It is so true that it's like a double-edged sword. It's like you meet someone of a certain age and you're like, wait, why haven't you been married or have kids like what's wrong with you

but then you're also like, wait, it's so nice. He's never been married. He doesn't have any kids, but we're both starting fresh. So it is interesting how different people can take it. - It's interesting, just, I don't know,

how everybody translates everything and like everybody's on like are we dating the same guy and like, you know, it's just like this wild. It's the wild west out there in terms of dating as you know. Hey, can I take a break and say congratulations

on your upcoming babies? - Same. - Twins, crazy. - That's incredible. I will say I was so surprised

at like what a positive overall experience it was.

“Like the truth is Natalie, like I walked into the room”

with all the guys and I was like, I'm gonna hate all of these guys 'cause they're all gonna be cocky and they're all gonna be like, you know, out for drama and you saw, I mean, you saw, you talked to a ton of like,

everybody's been like super emotionally intelligent, like grounded or hey, like I love, like everybody, like we've all maintained this really close friendship after the fact and yeah, so I was still pleasantly surprised. - You're kind of a heartthrob on the show.

Have you been getting some crazy DMs? - Yeah, what is that looking like right now? - I get a lot of DMs, yes, I don't really know

how to manage it honestly 'cause I've never really been.

And I don't consider myself a heartthrob at all. Like, I'm definitely a doork, but... - That's part of the reason. - That's part of the heart. - Yeah, yeah, just stay doing that.

- Yeah, whatever you're doing, keep doing it. - Yeah, that shouldn't be a problem. That's been a long time work, but yeah, no, it's been, and you know, there's like guilt associated with it 'cause it's like, oh look at all these nice messages

and it's like I should go through and say something and then it's like, well, what I don't really know what I would say other than thank you. But yeah, it has been the response has been

“completely unexpected and wildly encouraging, I think.”

- Was part of the date with you and vanilla, the massage date, was she supposed to massage you next? - Yes, she did massage me next, but they cut that part out. - Oh, she did, okay, because I was gonna say,

I feel like, you know, she should have waited until after, you got your massage to break up with you 'cause that didn't seem so fair. - Yes, so, I mean about that, like I was, I was on a plane back from LA for work

and I had gotten a text message from the team from the production team and they're like, hey, are you ready? And I was like, I think I'm like, not in the show at all. I was like, you know, like, I didn't find love

or whatever and they're like, oh, no, you're in the show

and I was like, my first question was,

did you cut the massage scene? And she was like, oh my, that's like a one thing and then I didn't want obviously on television, but it was, yeah. - I mean, they had to show us that, you know?

I've been like, what happened? Yeah, at least they were honest about it. So I had like a couple of days to like prepare stuff, but I did not sleep. - Did you finish her massage?

Like, after the breakup, like, did you finish giving her a massage or like, what? Like, did she give you a massage first or what happened, like, right after. And yes, actually, I can't remember.

She may have given me a massage first and then the scene where I was giving her a massage and then like the breakup happened. But yeah, I mean, it was, you know, I mean, she was such a kind, hearted person

and like, so eloquent about like how she communicated about everything and well-intentioned and like I said on the show, just because I met you first, I mean, that I have some sort of like, onus, you know, I don't have, I didn't mean that I'm just more deserving or anything like that.

“And I really liked Jorge and I think he's such a charismatic”

regarious guy and I was sad to see that they didn't work but it was also like this staunch reminder of like some of the complexities that can come from like big age gaps, right? So, I mean, did you realize like watching it back, how swaggy you are

that like the kiss scene? No, I didn't think that much about that. I looked and like, oh, I just didn't work. No, no, it was like, oh my, he was like,

you're giving me eyes, it was hot. Yes, you have a smolder man. That's smolder. That's smolder. Yeah, you kind of got a smolder.

Okay, well, that's, that's my mom's love and you on the show. That's very. I don't really know I'm kind of like social vacuum 'cause all I do is work, but I do get like my brother text me and it's like somebody asks about me and somebody like

recognizing me on a plane today which was weird. Oh my gosh, very cool. Yeah. What are you looking for in your next relationship? Should it be season two of age of attraction or out in the wild?

That's a great question.

Yeah, you know, I think what I've always looked for is like,

“obviously chemistry, I think is really important.”

Like, there has to be like a baseline of attraction and a relationship. And then, you know, as you get older, and this is such a platitude, but I think like compatibility really matters, like does your lifestyle match kind of the person

that you are investing in? As I've gotten older, I think resilience. Because I think that's a lot of what is lacking in relationships. It's like the ability to kind of like work through something and figure out like how to work a problem or disagreement

or a misalignment. And somebody that will kind of show up and actually do work as opposed to retreat. I really value that and a partner in it. Something that I've tried to kind of develop a skill set

that I've tried to develop as I've gotten older. So yeah, I think chemistry kindness compatibility and resilience, if I had to put kind of the bullet pointless there. - Do you feel like you felt an age difference between you and Vinau?

- I did. I could feel an age difference, but not like a prohibited one.

“I think she's actually really intelligent”

and really has a high EQ. And I think that translated in the show. So I wasn't overly worried about our age gap. - Were you shocked to find out she was 27? - She was younger than I thought she was, yeah.

Yeah, I thought she was in her 30s. - Was there anyone else on the show that you clicked with? - Yeah, you know, that was the thing.

It's like there were just so many beautiful and amazing

and interesting and different people on there. It's like the amount of time that we were there. You wish that you had kind of six months of it. You know, it's like, let's just all live and work here together and really kind of really get to know each other.

Such an interesting social experiment, but yeah, Katherine and I definitely had our moment. And I talked to her this morning. And I mean, yeah, we all talk really on a regular basis. So definitely some of my closest friends,

but I'm not seeing anybody today. - You all had the notebook date, right? Like, y'all were out in the canoe and it was-- - Yeah, it was so beautiful. I mean, it was like, you know, it was on the water

and like there was like a rainbow. I was shocked that that was not part of the series. - What's life like right now? - You know, I came out of the show and I was so just overwhelmed with work.

I work in healthcare and senior living. So we do like care and a moment for people with dementia and Alzheimer's. But I was a very demanding job. So I've really just been focusing exclusively on that.

We end trying to exercise a little bit too, 'cause you could just like lose yourself and work sometimes. So trying to find work-life balance, but yeah, that's 90% of it.

It's very boring answer, I'm sorry. - Where are you based out of for you? - I live in Charleston, South Carolina, please. - Charleston, yes, yes, yes. Well, Justin, we obviously love you.

We Nick and I have been telling everyone like we're very protective over this cast. Not that anyone has even muttered a bad word about you,

“but I think we'll always have this first season kind of thing”

that we all did together. None of us knowing really what it was. But we divulged and did it together

and it turned out pretty amazing.

So we are big fans of you. We really hope that you find love and you get married any of them. - I would love all of those things to happen. I do want to say thank you so much for like,

you guys were so kind, you went out of your way and I think we all kind of got in trouble for it, but you went out of your way to come over and say hi to everybody and talk to everybody and the concept for the show was amazing

and it was that honestly was what holding the end of the whole thing, the idea that it wasn't gonna be this hyper-fictionalized drama and it was this real kind of social experiment that we were just gonna see kind of what happened

that we were all kind of figuring it out together. But ultimately like you and Nick were just so kind to me and to everybody and I know that everybody is so grateful for that. So thank you so much and thank you for having me on today.

It's really good to see you guys. - Well we couldn't have continued any of these interviews

that you fit us into your busy schedule. - Your generous please tell Nick that I said hi and I'm sad that you wasn't here. - I know, I will, I will. If you're ever in LA please let us know.

We'll do something. - I would love that. - Thanks, Jessica. - Okay great to see you guys. - Thank you. - Thank you, Jessica. - Thank you. - Thank you. - Bye.

- What a sweet heart. - Hi, oh my God. - Thanks for having me on a bed. - You know what, I will do anything for you. And especially talking to Justin. - I had a good view of.

- Well I love that man. (laughing)

And I do love him and I said that literally the first day

we met him on set. I was like, I love him. He is so kind, he's so sweet. He's just like a gentle, baby girl. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Protect Justin at all cause.

- And sweet boy Justin. - Sweet Justin. - Sweet Justin. - Sweet Justin. - Sweet man Justin. - Ooh, yeah. - He's a daddy. - Well he's not a daddy.

- He wants to be in. - He wants to be in. - No. - I'm rooting for him. - Take that however you want. - Yeah. (laughing)

“What did we all think of the Jorge and Vanel drama?”

Well there's two different moments. Obviously there's the celibacy conversation. Then there's the walk on the streets of Vancouver. In terms of the celibacy conversation, I relate to Vanel more.

Just because like I do come from a religious background,

orthodox Judaism and Danny and I have different ways of practicing. Yeah, I'm a lot more observant than he is. And like I can be very wishy-washy with like what I decide to observe

and what I decide to do and to Danny, it makes no sense. But to me in my own brain, it does. And it's very hard to explain yourself 'cause it's just like how you feel.

- Yeah, yeah. I come from obviously a similar religious background where like you grow up and every time you make out like that shame of like, oh my god. I'm in trouble.

The God's kind of really mad at me. - Yeah. - It's like, yeah, it's a challenge. But I imagine though when you like the words you use, that's why it's even more important

when you communicate your expectations that you use language that isn't confusing. No? - Well, 100%, but I just think that like circumstances change,

“things change and like your opinions can change, right?”

So it's like while I, you know, wanted, you know, for observing the Sabbath, for example, like I used to observe it fully. And then like as time goes on, like there are little things that I'm like, okay,

I'm gonna start doing that now, like I, and I don't observe fully, but like there are still certain things that like, I don't wanna do like going on an airplane, for example. And to Danny, that makes no sense,

'cause it's like wait, but you're gonna get in a car, but you won't get on a plane like that doesn't make any sense, right? And it's like, I don't know how to explain why I feel nervous to get on a plane on the Sabbath, but like I am comfortable driving a car.

I just can't explain it, but it makes no sense. - No, I hear you, are you at least willing when Danny is confused to have those conversations,

or are you always like, listen?

- It frustrates me, I will admit, like it makes me feel very frustrated, and I think part of it is because I'm so confused, and I don't know how to explain myself, but I'm saying like I really relate to Vanel,

“because I think that like, she has a hard line”

that like, she understands in her brain, and it's hard for her to communicate that to Jorge, and he is, it does feel at times talking at her, rather than with her, and it's hard when somebody's like, you're asking you to explain yourself,

and you don't know how to explain yourself, because it's just something that you feel, and like, while it may not make sense, the way that you explain it, it's just, it's so important to you, and it's like, I can't explain to you why,

or how, what is going through my brain, but it just is, and this is how I feel and just accept it. Like, I don't want to talk about it anymore. (laughing) I say that to Danny, are you listening?

By the way, do I do say that to Danny, I'm like, I don't want to talk about this anymore, because you're not gonna understand where I'm coming from, and that's just that. - It makes sense to me, I don't know whatever,

it just doesn't, it makes sense to you, 'cause I acknowledge that it's confusing, but this is what I wanna do, and this is my job. - Well, you are doing, you are doing that thing, you at least are acknowledging that it's confusing to you,

and that it doesn't make sense, and you want Danny to accept that, which makes sense. Well, and again, I'm only responding, to what we watch in the show, but it seems like Vinal is like, in the promise room

was like, yo, I'm solid. She didn't really elaborate, she's just like, I'm a solid bit. Jorge was like, you know, celibacy feels like a religious context that word, it's not like, hey, listen, I abstain from sex or I don't have sex,

it has that connotation, and then they get together, but it's go off, things happen, the oral intimacy is Vinal pointed out,

well, I'm confused, but she doesn't wanna,

“she's just like, what do you confuse about him, celibate?”

And she seems to be unwilling to like, she just wants Jorge to be okay with that, kind of like you are, but he's also just like once some, well, wait, but like, I thought that meant one thing. You clearly think it means something else,

and I just wanna get on the same page, and then with the tricky part about their relationship is she really wanted when she said that for Jorge to like in the promise room to accept her choices and be done with that, and it seemed like he was more like, hey, this whole thing,

this us is, we're unsure about yet, you know, like I'm still, you know, this whole experiment is an over, like we met in this large group of people, other people,

and now we're getting to the second phase, which is to live together,

then we maybe might meet some loved ones, then we'll come to a decision, and he's not done making his decision on. - He wasn't clear about that in the promise room, though. It seemed like he accepted what she was saying about celibacy. She gave him a little more, which I think he should just be like,

grateful for, and then, and then, you know what I mean, like to say, okay, it's like you're getting more than you thought, where if you're still getting more than you thought you would. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - That's different than Logan and Vanessa, having a similar conversation about intimacy

and what their comfort levels were, and why can that be an ongoing conversation? - Well, I think with Jorge and Vannell, you have Vannell using the phrase in the boundary of celibacy, which is different than Logan and Vanessa,

kind of just figuring out what intimacy means to them without those legs.

“- I think when it comes to the boundary, it's more firm.”

- Yeah, and like, this is my belief,

this is my relationship with God, and I'm not going across that line. And like, to me, I have my own deal with God, right? And I feel that way, too, like, in general, I have a deal with God, and it's very complex,

and it only lives in my own head, and I cannot explain it. - Well, I kind of lean more towards Vannell's side. And obviously, I am a 25 year-old, like, my dad's a Lutheran pastor. It's a very different, like, I'm a 25 year-old,

like queer woman whose dad is a pastor, so me and Jorge, obviously you have a different experience of being peace, as he is a 60 year-old, like, man. But I think there's a way that you are raised with the awareness that you are living

your life in service to other people, a lot of the time. At least that's my experience. And like, you are raised with the intention of being like,

all right, you have these gifts, you have your, like, life

and personality, and, like, you owe it to be a good person into, like, be a service of God and, like, share that with others, right? Like, that's kind of, like, the P.K. thing, and, like, you're expected to help an assist.

And so I wonder how that affects Jorge's, like, mindset, especially he's a defense attorney as well, and, like, I don't know, the way he handles the vanilla situation, I just am like. - He sounds more like a lawyer than a P.K.

And that situation, and I'm like, I wish he had a bit more grace for her. Even though her boundaries, yeah, are confusing. She's also, like, figuring it them out. Like, Leia was saying.

- Religion, intimacy, or all parts. Like, these are important conversations. Early couples need to have. - Yeah. - And, like, it's fine that you have this experience

that it's hard to explain. Yeah, it's hard to explain, but that's part of, meaning someone and having these conversations. And, like, it's just very difficult when someone's like, this is how it is.

And then they kind of move a little bit differently than what they communicated, but then they still don't want to have the conversation to try to, like, get on the same page. That can be very challenging for any couple.

“I think it's okay to have that conversation.”

- Mary, I've just been, I've been in vanilla shoes before where I've just been, like, I'm walking away from this conversation. We're not continuing to have it. I'm firm in where I'm coming from, and that's that.

It just kind of felt like a weird conflict where it's just kind of like, again, yes, she might have done more saying that she was celibate or saying, like, but she didn't clarify, or like, they don't think they had

in kind of conversation as to like, what would happen in a bedroom, but she made it very clear that that's her line, and she's not gonna cross it. So that's where I'm like, if you're still getting into the sea and like, what, not, I don't understand

why we need to argue about how much you get or because this one thing is off the table that this needs to be a conversation that we both need to understand when it's gonna happen. She said, when she's married,

is when she's gonna give that up. So it's like, I just feel like that's very clear. - Yeah, I do think it is very clear, like to her, it's like oral sex is fine, but sex is not, and that's where she,

what she explained in person. - I don't know why Jorge is still pushing, like, I don't know what he's confused about. - I think it's less that Jorge, like, I don't think he was doing anything bad.

I think he just has this, yeah, he just has a natural tone of like,

and he's a defense attorney, like he has this tone of like authority when he speaks. - It's just like in his communication style. - And so I have questioning to where I feel like it made me feel like she was like,

where he didn't mean it to be like, he wasn't trying to, you know, do anything like that.

“But I think it's like when you're a man talking to a woman,”

like I think sometimes, especially in an intimate setting like that, like, people get a little bit more like tender. - Well, it is an interesting dynamic. And we do have Libby and Venaut with us both to talk about their experiences.

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- Thanks for having us. - We're excited to have you. - We are here now. It's wild, we've done it.

“- What's it like to be a Netflix reality of Easter?”

- Stop it. - What are the stars? Or at least I don't know. I don't see myself with the stars. - I'm just annoyed in it.

- Well, you ladies are recording this before it comes out. But like you don't, you haven't felt. - Yeah. - So I will say it's really surreal for me to even be on the vial files,

because I grew up watching the natural. And my mom and I watched her season. And then I remember in San Diego taking off to go to Canada, scrolling past something of your guys is all my feet and being like,

what if the show is ever relevant enough to make it on the vial files? Probably not, I walk in, you hear the host. I was expecting Vanessa and Nick Washei,

or somebody who I was like, oh yeah, I would never guess.

I see you guys. - Everyone thought it was like, Vanessa and Nick. - Yeah. - Well, we love them. - And we love them.

- And we love them. - And we love them, obviously. - And we love you guys. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But now we are family.

- Yes.

- We love you. - We love you. - Yeah. - You guys, I know them.

- Obviously the show centers around age differences.

“And we now know both you ladies are in your 20s, right?”

- Yes, something like that. - So like that? - Now that 20, now that you age is a very big. - Yeah, so we're 20, three and 28. - Now we're all the numbers.

- We're all the numbers. - We're all the numbers. - And you're giving me an a-f. - Oh my gosh. I just had my half birthday of my 23rd.

- Did you just sell it? - Yeah, what do you guys know about young girls anymore? 23. - I just turned 28 last month. - Have you ever seen?

- I think I've seen it. - So when you guys, I'm curious when you guys showed up to do this show, what were your expectations and why did you guys decide to say yes to it? - Yeah, I mean, I'll speak for me like I generally was coming on here to find my husband like literally like there was nothing else on my mind

to literally have it been like finding my husband. Like that was literally it. - That's a beautiful approach from you. For now I don't know if I can say the same. I was like if I could find my husband and ride off into the sunset,

“that would be great, would that probably ever happen for me?”

No. But let's try it. Let's try and find out. I don't think I was expecting as big of an age gap dynamic as what it was, I think it was just kind of like oh, you know,

there's gonna be everybody of all ages. And I'm not somebody who's ever sought out an older guy on my own, but I was like, if this is the way that this is gonna go for me, then cool. - Like there might be a 30 year old there.

- Yeah, I was thinking that I was just gonna end up with whoever was my age anyway, I didn't know that this would be the whole topic of the show. But here we are. - Really?

- I don't think I was expecting it to be as prevalent as it was as far as the age gaps. - And you clicked with Andrew right off the bat. I mean, did you have any other guys that you were looking at? - Not really.

- Honestly, I think I saw the group walking and one or two, calm my eye.

But the second that I started talking to everyone,

there were some great friendships, friendship connections. As soon as I really got to know everybody on a personal level,

“I think all the guys are amazing, but as far as dating,”

I don't think I was really ever super interested in anybody but Andrew as so. - The now you were a little different. You had a couple of love interest, Jorge, that we got to watch that unfold, but also Justin.

- Yeah. - Can I Justin? - You know, it's been a bit of a fan-fave out there. Really? - Is he also?

- I have a soft spot for Justin, I think he's so sweet. - What was the ultimate reason that you leaned towards Jorge over Justin? - Honestly, Justin was very similar to the type of guys I've dated in the past.

Like, I'm also very reserved. And a little bit quiet, Justin was similar to me, but he was also just very sweet, such a gentleman. And Jorge was a little different from most guys I've dated before.

He was very outgoing, it brought a little bit of excitement out of me and he brought out like a goofy side of me. So I was just very intrigued by Jorge.

I think that's what it was, ultimately.

And then I started to just really enjoy getting to know him. So yeah. - How old did you think he was before he moved? - I literally thought he was like, 45, 50 max. Like, there's no way in my mind, I was like, this guy is six years old.

There's no way. - You know what's funny, but I'm no way. So when you'll had your commitment ceremony, we were on set and they were like, - Really?

- You might need to go in and like talk to the now because she might be so shocked that she like needs to talk to somebody. Because she is like not going to be expecting this at all. She has told us so many times.

Like, she will stay in the 40s. - Yeah. - So it doesn't want to stay anyone outside of Florida. - No, literally. I was like, I could not believe it.

But like also at that point, like my mind was just so set on like him and my connection with him and how I felt about him to where it's like at that point, like the age thing just like didn't even matter to me. I was like, this guy could have been like 80 years old

and I would've been like, yeah, let's continue. - Oh, well. - At the very end. - At that stage in the process, you were... - To deep.

- You were, I mean I believe you were like, you were telling people you had found your guy. - Yeah. - And thanking some people for introducing you to the love of your life.

- Your husband, I think is it. - I definitely definitely was like, yeah, like this has definitely like my husband, like, I don't know if everyone was able to see but I definitely was starting to really fall for him.

- I do remember, you're in court, like so soon. - Like hardcore, yeah, I definitely was like, this is my husband. - I was like vanilla is in love.

"My man, my man, my man, my man."

“I was like, "They are solid, she's got her man.”

Let's go." And then promise room, you, you all talked about a lot. - Yeah. - You asked him a question about children. - Mm-hmm.

- You told him that you were a celibate. - Mm-hmm. - Are celibate? - Yeah. - He did not answer your kid's question.

- Yeah. - How do you remember that going? - Yeah, so I remember, I remember I told him about my abstinence. We talked about the kid and then he immediate was like, "Oh, I know you want kids but didn't like ask.

I know you want kids. I'd be something about being open to having kids

but never like mentioned, "Oh, I already have kids, right?"

So in my mind, I'm like, "Okay, this guy doesn't have any kids. "Probably maybe want kids." Which I'm open to having kids too, right? It's not something that I'm like, I must have kids. But yeah, he just never mentioned that.

Here he has kids. So it was, it was, um, yeah, very interesting. - Yeah, how I remember it is that believe, you know, obviously you guys were, you were very nerve, it's a very nerve argument.

- Yeah. - You asked two questions back to back. And you were like, "Do you want kids, do you want kids?" - It was like, I don't even know if you have kids

“or even if you want kids, like, that's how you asked it.”

And then, I don't know if he's a savvy, you know, he is a, you know, a DA, but he answered your second question was he talked about the possibility and the willingness to maybe have kids with you completely leaving out the, I don't even know if you have kids

or even if you want kids. - But you know what he told me, like, obviously after, like, you know, the promise room we had conversations about it.

And then ultimately, he finally told me about his kids.

But he had told me that he didn't want to tell me during the promise room because he said it wasn't like at the right time, like, it, like it wasn't the right time to tell me, I don't know, I don't know what the right time would have been.

- But you weren't processing him being 60. So that was, that was, that would have been the right time but I guess for him it wasn't the right time and it's, you know, I don't know. - Okay.

- And love you found out how soon that Andrew has two kids. - I think I heard whispers of it and he definitely leads with that. I don't think it's any sort of secret to him 'cause he wants to make it known that he's a father.

I just wasn't aware of the ages which then kind of made sense of his age. So, how old are they again? - They're 12 and 14. - Oh, okay, pretty grown up.

- Yeah, yeah, I think I asked you what was more shocking finding out that you were closer to his 14-year-old or the fact that he was closer to for him. - What did you think about that?

Because, you know, obviously he's done as a, you know, when it's compared to your age, it's easy to get in your head. But I guess having daughters that are of the age that they are, I guess might be, you know,

I suppose if he was fresh out of a relationship which like say a two-and-a-four-year-old were that clearly a bit of demanded. - Yes. - A lot of, yeah.

I thought that his kids don't demand a lot of his time, but I think a two-and-a-four-year-old is a different dynamic. - 'Cause it was a different dynamic. I imagine that was probably,

or how did you feel about that? - As I really started to think about it more, I realized that that does until a whole lot less of craziness having two daughters because they're not little toddlers running around.

You don't have to go pack them their lunches or something. So, I would just say the initial even finding out he was a dad kind of shocked me and usually if I'm out in the wild and I meet a man and he tells me he's a father, my brain says, okay, no, that's not what we're doing.

That doesn't really make sense for me at this time.

“So, I think just compartmentalizing that first”

and then finding out their ages and how close I am was the whole shocking part. But once I really thought about it, I did realize like, okay, if the girls are 12 and 14, that's fun.

That's awesome. I think that's cool that you're a girl dad. You know, so once I really thought about it, it wasn't as scary as I thought, but the fact of the age dynamic between me and the kids

and that it's a pretty small gap. And that's the part where I was like, oh, oh, oh. And then how old are you? And then how old were you when you had them? And how old are you?

That's what scared me. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. - Can you name a spice girl now? - I can name a couple spice girls.

Yeah, so I never thought I didn't know who they were.

I said I couldn't name one. I know about Posh now. I know about sporty. Did you go Google it? - I don't know.

- I don't know. - You didn't go Google it? - No. - Okay. And I love the song "Wanna Be."

No, no hate to the spice girls. I definitely know who you are. I just, I don't know the names. I don't think that was my time to listen to it. - No.

- Baity's Rice. - That's the same. And now, a big discussion point on this season is, well, you and Jorge had a couple of disagreements. And one of them was very much centered around the bedroom.

- Yeah. - Why are you saying like that? The bedroom? - The bedroom? - The bedroom.

- No, no, no. - What do you want to say? Say which to chat with. (laughing) - Some of it.

- Yes. - And I guess the definition of celibacy or what it means. And it was very interesting to hear you guys talk about this. When you first told Jorge about the fact

that you are celibate, what conversations did you have around that? And did you get into any details around, what your boundaries were or what they weren't, is it related to celibacy?

- Yeah. So when I first told him was during the promised room, and I kind of just like, watered till like, let him know, like, get it off my chest. And while he really comforted me, and he was like,

oh, like, this is what you've been like, you know, having wing on you. Why didn't you tell me sooner? Like, it's totally fine. It's like, I know it's you with this.

“That's what I gathered from that conversation.”

But no, we never had any, like,

I guess conversations about like boundaries around it. I guess in my mind, I just, I thought it's just a known thing. Like, when you say your celibate, you just, you just know what it is.

I'll say this. It's like, obviously, Jorge and I were very, we're very attracted to each other. We had, we're very, like, romantic and stuff. But my, my celibacy boundaries were not broken.

- Okay. - So that is clear. - Okay. - That is clear. Did you never have a conversation of like,

this is what this means to me. This is what I would like our relationship to look like, or was he, we're all just kind of like, yeah, yeah, we, we'd never had that conversation.

We never, we never got to open to have that conversation, you know.

- Do you think, if y'all would have had that conversation, those disagreements, like, wouldn't have happened, or do you think it was bound to happen just because of his personality? - I feel like it was bound to happen

because his personality, like him and I are just very, very different. And I feel like his mindset, I feel like it goes bound to happen. Let's just say that, but it definitely would have been helpful

to have those conversations, to have that conversation prior. - Y'all also had, I guess the big reason why y'all broke up. Actually, you tell me, why did y'all break up?

“- I think ultimately, like, we're just not compatible.”

Like, ultimately, I think age did play a factor in our relationship, and, you know, Jorge, someone that's had a lot of experiences, and had made it known that he's experienced this, and, you know, he might know better about this.

And, yeah, ultimately, it plagued it

to play a factor in our relationship, and, yeah. - So y'all must felt like, what he saw is like a lived experience, you may be felt, like, a little condescension. - Yeah, yeah, kind of just, yeah, yeah, I would say that.

And, it's, I don't know, I felt like, once, he was very stuck in his way, like, 'cause he's just had these experiences. He feels he knows best, so it's hard to, I don't know, it's hard to be in it.

- Can you walk, so there was this moment where you guys get in a fight about, you guys seem to be out when they were filming, living together in the streets of Vancouver. - Oh, yeah, yeah. - Oh, yeah.

Where a third party, it seems like some other person, a guy, apparently approached the two of you, and it sounded, you know, you guys were describing what happened. And so, just to refresh your memory, Jorge, you know, got into it with this guy,

and apparently that made you feel uncomfortable, and then you guys got in this big debate, you basically were saying, hey, that, that made me uncomfortable. And Jorge's response was,

- Don't tell me how to be a man. (laughs) - Yeah, I mean, he was basically like, this is what I'm gonna do in these situations, and I would love for you, my partner,

to back me up, because I'm not, you know, I'm not sure what else I'm supposed to do in this situation, and you guys, you couldn't, yeah, you guys both seem to have a hard time

“maybe hearing each other, and I think in that moment,”

like when we're having that conversation, I think in that moment, we just weren't trying to understand each other, put another, or put one another in each other's shoes, so that's kind of where like the clash was.

But also, with that, what happened with that, yeah, we were walking back from getting ice cream, there was just some random guy, I thought he was just homeless random guy on drugs or something, said something to Jorge and you know,

and then this person keeps like walking, he has a skateboard, he's walking behind us, still going back and forth, and then it gets to a point where now Jorge is talking about fighting this person, and they're both going at it and about to literally,

like, physically fight, and it just made me uncomfortable,

because that was the first time

“that I saw a different side to Jorge than I have never seen before, right?”

And I'm not used to, most men I date, like I said, I'm not used to guys I date wanting to get enough fight. Like, I don't know, in my mind, I'm like, you're very grown in your grown. Like there's, you know, like, in the way I was trying to explain to him,

it's like, there was a way that, you know, you could have diffused the situation, right? 'Cause, you know, the guy could have had a gun, or could have had a knife, could have came out and stopped us, or whatever it is, like, right?

It could have been diffused, you could have ignored him, and just like, have walking, like, there's just so many different routes we could have taken,

and I said that to him, and I think a triggered Jorge,

because it made it, it came off as if I was trying to tell him, like, how to behave or like, what to do as a man, right? And, in that moment, I think he was also just trying to protect him,

“me in the best way that he knew how to, in that moment.”

But you being in part of that situation, you felt there were moves he could have made. To, yeah, that could have avoided that whole situation in it. It didn't really get to that place that it did, and you feel like Jorge played a role in that. Exactly, exactly, had he just ignored it,

and we kept walking it, it would have just not been anything, honestly. Like, yeah, like I said, that was a random guy, he didn't know us, right? So it wasn't, and y'all weren't like, y'all didn't have cameras on you. Like, y'all wasn't on you, you were just literally like walking, like it wasn't, it literally had nothing to do with us, um, so yeah.

But yeah, like I said that, I saw a different side to him at that point,

and it just, it made me, the whole situation. So it's not like, I don't know where some guy came up to you guys, and things immediately got aggressive. We're Jorge, it was required to step in, because that's what I want to see, watching it back, it was kind of unclear. No, no, no, it was, we were walking, it was a big distance.

It was like me and like, the guy was like, that part out, and the guy like y'all didn't like, was like, y'all, you talking shit, blah, blah. And then like, was yelling, but like obviously Jorge and I were, it wasn't like this close, like it was far out and, get a yellow back for the guy to hear him. Yeah, and then he yelled back, like,

mindrepping, business, or whatever, and then at that point, now we're walking the guys, walking closer, like, you know, um, yeah. Okay. Interesting. I definitely, yeah, that clear things up, because it was for sure kind of like, did someone like come up and try to hurt you, and then she was like stopping it, but then yeah, it's like we've, all of us have been in a situation where we're walking,

and someone says something, you know, you just keep walking. Yeah, like am I crazy for like, thinking like, like, what did it need to go there? Like that could have been like, like, if they did start fighting, like you, what are you, like you're just standing? Like what, like, it would just have gone too far. So I understand of the person like literally, like, came up and was like literally trying to attack me, like, yeah, go fight that person,

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“Did Jorge play a role in escalating the situation at the point?”

Or did Jorge get caught on something? And all he did was try to protect his woman and de-escalate us situations. So thank you for... - Turn that up.

- Turn that up. - Let me have a shot for you to hear that Jorge was 60. - I didn't know I'd say no, Sandra. I didn't know there were 60 girls there. - Oh.

- And you did. - What I guess that don't think so. - Yeah, what would you have guessed? Maybe like 45 to 50. I don't think I was thinking 60.

- Yeah, say 50. - And when I saw you guys come in and I heard there was one, 33, 8-year-old age gap. - Yeah. - I was like, wait, what?

'Cause you guys look really normal together. I wouldn't be like, oh, this is a super big age gap. - Yeah. - So I would say I was shocked really just to hear how big the gap between you guys were.

- What was for you as you started dating Andrew on the show? What were some of the biggest challenges that you felt in your relationship? Whether age had some to do with it or just getting to know each other?

- The main thing was really just me trying to process

And I think that it takes a really secure person

to be open to really like weaving yourself in somebody's already existing life and thinking, how can I step into this? How can I be a part of this? How can this feel normal?

- So I would just say me trying to process everything that life with him wouldn't tell. - I feel like it'll be interesting when the show comes out like what some of the discourse and what some of the commentary is.

But as we all know when it comes to, I guess pop culture, it seems like a lot of the criticisms often are centered towards the women, right? So like, if you're treesa or... - And I hate that.

- Vanessa, it's like it's not normalized as to see an older woman dating a younger man. If we see a younger woman dating an older man,

“you know, I think that's all, you know, like,”

oh, you don't know better or like...

- Yeah, she's getting a bandage on. - She's getting a bandage on. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm just curious from your ladies perspective who, you know, are, you're both in your 20s

and on the show you both date men decently older than you. What would you say to the people who have some of these kind of low-hanging fruit criticisms as it relates to age differences?

- Yeah, I love that question. I feel like that's a really good topic to touch on because I don't think it's one size fits all when it comes to age gap relationships. While we were filming, I thought that the dynamic

between Andrew and I was a very equal relationship and it wasn't like, here he is this older guy and I'm this younger girl falling him around

and he just sees me as one thing.

I think until actually we really met each other in the same space and that was something that I really found refreshing about him was his emotional intelligence and that I thought that I could have a conversation

about my life, my goals, my relationships, whatever it may be and he could meet me there and I found, I kind of felt like that wasn't something that I experienced with younger guys or guys my age, so I found it really refreshing

that I felt like we both had stuff to benefit from each other and we elevate each other in different ways and we could learn different things from each other. He had life questions asked me, I had once for him,

“it wasn't, it wasn't, I think the typical dynamic”

that you might make a stereotype about or assume with an older man and a younger girl and I felt like when we were filming as I got to know him better and better, I was like, I have way more in common with you

than I do with any guy I've ever dated. Mind you, that's 'cause he also likes to get his nails done and go shopping and go to the girls, but I don't know, he was so much more relatable to me and I thought, if I go on the show and I date an older guy,

I don't think that in my day-to-day life I ever found myself seeking out older guys and really finding them specifically attractive, it's not something I was looking for, but he looked young to me, he acted young to me

and he met me where I was at. So if that comes with being 38 and having two kids in the moment, I was like, cool, there's worse things to have. - Love, also y'all do your morning affirmations and he's like, I'm a bad bitch.

- I'm a bad bitch. - Yeah, I tend to really, I'm a little lying. (laughing) - He said I'd talk in that little room. - No, is there any chance that,

or maybe you guys already have in terms of you and Justin reconnecting and exploring that relationship or does that ship say, it was the team now? - Yeah, no, Justin, I haven't spoken, haven't spoken since the show.

We had a quick conversation just about his experience

“and stuff like that, but ultimately, I think it's been gone.”

There's feelings that's been lost already. Yeah, I think it would just be weird now. - What if you had a chance to ask Jorge anything or getting clarification about your experiences on the show together, would you have any?

- No. - Okay, okay, okay. - No, okay, alright. - Well ladies, it's been great catching up with you. - Thank you.

- Hopefully we'll get to do it again soon. - Mm-hmm. - Well, excited to see what happens with you in Andrew. You know, sorry, you didn't work out with you and Jorge, but-- - It's okay.

- You seem like you're-- - Glowy. (laughing) - Like you are doing just great. - Yeah, we definitely hope to catch up with you

and get you aware of you now, but-- - What is your love life like now? - I'm single. - Are your like DMs open, are you? - DMs are like wide open, very single.

Yeah, I'm still searching for my husband. - Who is your celebrity crush? - I would say Michael B. Jordan. - Mm-hmm. - It's better up, I'll be.

So maybe, any is-- - It's on my part of last week. - We saw him in a party last week. - Perfect. - Yeah, I'm going to go to work.

“- Interesting, so maybe there's something there.”

- There. (laughing) - Well, ladies, it's great catching up with you. We really appreciate you being a part of this show. And yeah, just--

- Excited for the journey. - Yeah, I enjoy it. Stay honest. - Don't read the comments. - Don't let the comments get to you.

- I already did. I said, girl, you don't know who the spice girl is. Open a book. - I said, I've been reading. - Nothing said anything about the spice girl.

- What books are you reading? - What? - I don't see that in my self-help spirituality books. - Okay. (upbeat music)

- All right, well-- - Libyan Vanale does her my girls. - I mean, I really just, I vibe. - Libyan said that they walk to her self. - Yeah, she's just like, I don't really care what they're saying.

- Yeah. - She's great. - She is one of the younger ones. And she obviously has a very bubbly personality.

“And I think sometimes people will assume they see that”

and read bubbly immature, I think as the season goes along, get to know Libyan a little bit more. You will see those moments of why there's a connection between her and Andrew. - What I enjoy about the show a lot,

and especially with Libby and Vanale is, how I think you have the opportunity to see a lot of younger people who still have whimsy, whimsical natures, but like that doesn't necessarily relate to in maturity, right?

Like you were saying, and I think there's a lot of complexities to, you know, anyone at any age of just like, what emotional maturity means and how that presents itself. And I think it's a very interesting kind of like case study across the whole show and meeting everyone in the cast

of just being like, wow, everyone really does have a lot to them. - Getting into some secret lives of Mormon wives. - I, I love hate to say it, I'm kind of struggling to watch that talk or to too much dad talk,

way too much airtime for the husband and dad. I saw a meme about this that said, this season for of Secret Life's Mormon wives feels like in the Barbie movie when the kids take over Barbie lands. (laughing)

Like it's like, it's no joke, it's no joke, it's no joke, it's no joke, it's no joke, it's no joke, it's no joke, it's no joke. And I was like, I didn't, I don't want to watch the show to hear all these men be like,

we're most related. We also want to make money or women. - That's not what the show is about talk.

- You know, I saw it amazing, amazing,

I forget it was like a TikTok or whatever, but it was like, these men need to go to trade school. - Get off TikTok, go to trade school. - Also become a electrician, become a plumber. - I will say, overall, it's like great show.

I agree with everyone's take here that like what, why, I don't care about that talk. It's like, it's fun if it's like, oh, this is what my wives do. So like, for one day, we're gonna do a TikTok

like pretending to be our wives that's charming. - It was a bit. - It was a bit, right? - Yeah. - It's not the same as like, for example,

like when I met Natalie, I had this show here and she was a surgical tech and I was, as I got to know her, I was like, hey, I think you're kind of a star and if you have any interest in doing this with me,

I think you'd be great. And I really encourage Natalie if she was comfortable and said, I think you could be a star and as it turns out, she is, and now she's hosting her own Netflix show.

And I think it would be weird for me at this stage,

given her amazing successes that she's enjoying,

for me at this point to be like, whoa, all right, calm down. You know, you're getting a little too successful. But it's, I don't think for a second that Jessie went up to Jordan and said, hey, I think you're a real natural.

What it comes to this TikTok video. - Dad talk, got an opportunity to go to Vanderpum Villa and cook it. - He said, Dad talk is funnier than mom talk. - Also not sure. - Of course they'll all flirt with me. But they also, by the way, like their whole stick

of their dad talk is making fun of the fact that their women are, like, you know, like, it just, it doesn't, yeah, it comes across really kind of, like their most recent TikTok was, was Jacob and Jordan and they were like, who's gonna pay the bill, right?

And I think Jacob put down Macy's book and Jordan was putting down, like, a hair extension and it was, like, who's paying for the bill, you know what I mean?

“And it's like, that's what a thing is funny.”

Their whole stick is making fun of the fact that they are, but that's the thing though. Like, is it a stick or is it something that bothers them? You know, because they keep going back and forth between, like, how, how funny TikTok,

my wife is the breadman or versus, like, Jordan doing confessional being, like, I feel really amasculated by my wife's success. And I want my, I want the credit I deserve. So I started dad talk.

- Yeah, it's like, it's like, ew.

- We did only see the first two episodes

of the season for the audience, so yeah. - Yeah, so this is just episode one and two. - To next point though, like, it confuses me to, like, place the timeline of when this was shot

of Jordan reacting to how these portrayed last season,

“but this season still portrays that version of Jordan.”

You know what I mean? Like, it's still portraying the Jordan that's like, kind of creating situations behind. - But like, is it show portraying others that just like, who he is?

And he's just kind of denying those, like, even when he came on our show, like, there was a little bit of, like, him showing that he's trying, but like, I don't see that.

- Well, the show is moving at a lightning pace that, like, I don't know how they are gonna keep up. - Life, life has to be life. - I mean, it's giving, it's giving, it's giving. - We'll do it live.

- To me, it's giving that the producers of the show don't know how much they have left with these women as their stars continue to blow up and rise, and they're just gonna keep filming until someone says stop.

I mean, they're going so fast. And then we have this whole new cycle that's based off of season four,

which is like, Michaela and Jason separated.

And then you're like, oh my God. Oh no. - Yeah. - And then Michaela's kind of out there saying, not really, or we got back together,

which I can only imagine must be very difficult if you did separate, worked on a lot of your shit. And then got back together, but the worlding your audience is six months or 12 months behind your trauma

that you have to now relive. - Yeah, well, Jesse kind of even talks about that on the show where they're getting ready for the reunion. And she's like, all these things are gonna come back up with Demy and with Jordan and like she's starting to get

into a better place with both of them. And it's like, all this is gonna like resurface again. - The Michaela stuff is confusing though, but Jason, this is why I'm pop, I said like, but just wait till we hear more about it

because those headlines came from the show, this season airing. So it's like, she was saying that stuff with these publications. - But she was saying that stuff was talked about

and there's context that's missing.

“So that's where it's like, I think she's responding”

to the show itself, not like, it's hard to say. - It's hard to say because these women are so online and they are trying to very much juggle their lives that are very much intertwined with this show. - I will say Taylor picking up her crush

at the airport is some of the most real 2026, like, - Yes. - You know, like, yes. - Right. - You're meeting someone online, long distance.

- And there might have been the crush. - If you haven't picked up a crush at the airport, you're not living. - You're not. - It's like awkward but like, rightfully so why not.

- Oh my god, you're like, what are we doing? - I literally yell. - So I literally yell. - And even the person being picked up at me. - Like Nick and I did that a lot in the beginning

and I remember it was always like,

what do I wear? Like do I wear something good than you're like, but then I'm flying, like I don't need to do too much. - Yeah, and then Nick does like, do I bring flowers? - Nick definitely was not putting up with her flowers.

- Well, I love the airport pick-up scene. It was. - It was cute. - It was very cute. - Very really.

- And she was very good at it. - Wasn't it? - Very interesting. The Jordan part of after they returned from the villa and Jordan being like, yeah, like I told Jesse

and then being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, why did you like break the broco? - Yeah. - That was like very backwards to me. - I mean, it's like suddenly he's doing kind of the right thing,

but now you guys are mad that he's doing that. - Guys, it was all, again, this is another TV show you went on. - Yeah. - Okay. - And her pump villa camera's, it's gonna come out.

So like, would you want it to come out on this show? That you're on to make you a little bit bigger or do you want it to come out on another show? But like, why would you want like your legacy to be like, oh, I've protected my men friends when they do things wrong

and I lied to my wife. - Like we're talking weird. - It's so weird. - You know, she's had a line where he was like,

“don't, if you want to keep anything wrapped up,”

don't tell this guy to see us everything to his girl to like, and I was like, whoa, this is like, I turned on Jacob a little bit. - Yeah, it's even Macy's guy, Jacob, right? Is it supposed to be like the shining star?

When he got them, he was like, I'm not saying anything. And it's just like, hmm, failure. - No, he was like, you are married. - And you can tell your wife like, what happened? - You're supposed to tell me, and I saw it on the show,

you're later, I'd be like, what the fuck? - He's trying to do the right thing too. Let him try to do something, right? Don't like, keep him in this bubble of now, and the guy's trying to be perfect.

- He's trying to make a TV, he's trying to make a TV. - I'm also called definitely struggling with the addition of Chase and Mason. I get Mason's dating Leyla, that makes sense. - Marana's ex-husband.

- Like, why, you know? - Because no, I'm kind of a Chase stand like this. - I just don't, I don't know what he brings to the show, I can't explain it. - Even his sit down with them, and it's just like, Jacob,

like, why are you trying to force your wife? Like, it's a weird dynamic that like, oh, I went away with this guy for a week, but for years, if not for a year, he's making podcasts, making comments,

a talking shit about your wife and her friends. And then you go on one vacation with the guy, and you're like, just come sit down with him, 'cause it's gonna really make it easier for me to make friends, make friends,

you've been friends with the same group for years. - It's not my favorite storyline, and obviously they're doing a lot of like, cross, show, trying, you know, and it's just giving like, you know, let's take the husbands to cheat island.

You know, I don't know, it's like, it's,

that they brought in the cast from another show

“of girls to play True Through Dare with them,”

and I'm just like, this is a weird setup. Like, all of these men, minus, I guess, chase into Coda, and our in relationships are married with children. Like, we're so weird.

- And then of a weird thing to do, yeah. - The younger brother, whatever, and then being, or that's dating Leila that it was like, he was being pushed by Chase or somebody to like, make out with someone, and it's just kind of like,

and then not answering Leila's text messages, and I'm just like, this is just giving shitty men across the board. - It's also just like, man, last time I went to Vanderpump Villa, there was this whole situation

that we never really got any real answers on,

that clearly like affected, how much we've got a loss you out of it, I just want to move on. - Yeah, I'm going to tell him that whole situation. - I don't want to be in a room with somebody that Connor made out with in high school,

and you know what I'm not going to do? Fly overseas to be in a villa with somebody that my wife had a little shell of her daughter from Doug talk. - That's just very cool.

- Yeah. - It's okay, here's what pisses me off about this. Is that these guys all had so many opinions

“about their wives going to do things for mom talk,”

and as soon as they get one goddamn brand deal, oh, all of the sudden we got to go to Vanderpump Villa for Doug talk, we got to do, oh, Marcia on his there. Well, like, it's, you know, he's actually a good guy. - Yeah, he's not that bad, he actually is fucking cool,

like I don't know. - What did you guys go on with? - Then panting to Demi's confessional, and she's not there. - They need to stop, like do it once. - But one time was funny in the second half,

like a cable maybe.

- And then the third and fourth and fifth and sixth.

I'm like, is she not gonna do an air here? - My understanding is that she's on season four, just because against-- - She's gonna be a postcard. - She's gonna be a postcard.

- They filmed so fast that they just have scenes with her they have to do. - Well, didn't, yeah, I was kidding. We see that they were trying to limit the monocene's that the air to her, but she is integral to some

of the story lines. - That's what I'm saying. - I don't think she's the inactive cast- - Long-term. - You know, well, you know.

- All right, well, we will unpack a two more episodes on Thursday. - We also have The Rojo-Speyes of Beverly Hills, which, as you say, the beginning of the episodes, also giving me nothing. - Yeah, it's certainly a show that's airing.

- And I've enjoyed watching it, but I just don't know what to say. - No, no, no, I love watching it for the record. It's kind of, it's a very cool down show for me right now. Like, it's a chill watch that doesn't turn a lot of the song while we cook supper.

- Yes, like, I do clean. I deep cleaned my room while watching Beverly Hills, yesterday, and I gained every single amount of information. - You do. - You do have Jennifer Tilley being stuck in the elevator

with the mask on. - Yes, I did. - Oh, I did. - Oh, I did. - It's cool, I did.

- It's cool, I did. - I did for the record. I love it. There's just not much, it was 45 seconds of a 45 minute episode. - Unfortunately.

- Kathy Hilton saying, "No, you're a place in the room." That was an accident. - We know that we now get these very clippable moments from Kathy.

- It's always been Kathy's, I know, though.

- Who'sunky Dory? - Who'sunky Dory. - Who'sunky Dory? - We're in the midst of these big things or something.

- Three thousand. - No, no, no, no, no, I can't believe it. Like, I don't know. - I just, what, the Kathy Hilton Amanda read the room and no, you're a place thing,

once does bake the question. - Took her out. - Took her out. - That's a diabolical read. And I wonder what everyone,

what the most diabolically true read everyone has gotten. - Is, I appreciate it 'cause I was like, there's Kathy, like, you know what I mean? The woman that terrifies her sister, that's the Kathy I kind of want to see versus the like,

"Oh my God, is this guy up or down?"

“- Here, anybody remember like three seasons ago”

where you knew when Kathy was like, you're the meanest person in Hollywood. You're just saying this 'cause you're contracts. You bullied all these people off the show. Like, this is the Kathy where she just says things straight up,

and you're like, "Huh?" - And that's exactly what I mean. - Yeah. - I mean, 'cause Kathy is, well, she's Kathy Hilton, and I think, I think in a man's eyes,

derits an easy target, maybe read is going through a lot right now. - Why are we pretending that Erica didn't tell Kyle about her boyfriend? Like, why is that still like, we had cameras pan to Kyle when Erica's like,

"Well, no one, I told no one about that." And Kyle's like, "I kind of look for Kyle too," and she tried to like, "So like, what are you looking for?" And then I'm like immediately turned on her,

I'm like, "I don't need you to be my therapist." - Yeah, I mean, Amanda's writing a book, and she's writing it right now. - She is writing that book. - She said, "Hi, guys.

I woke up and I wrote the intro." And then she takes her little computer out to go sit with, "I'm writing my book." - The world's gonna see this book. - I'm writing my book, and she said, "Derry,

are you are traumatizing me right now?" And I'm making that trauma and dark. And I will be writing my book. Why couldn't they wipe that? Get that leaf off of Kyle's ass?

- Oh my God. - It fell off of her right, as she will all let me know. - It couldn't be like, "Guys, let's do that again." - I'll go away again. - Come back with it.

- She's trying to leave her.

- I did not even see that one.

- No, it's like in her ascrack. - It was, yeah, it was George. - It was George. - I'm sorry, I'm looking at their hearts. - Well, it was from the back, so you could visit.

- Yeah. - I'm looking at the leaves and their butts and their hearts. - So we, Southern hospitality, people say not to you. - Oh my God. - People say it's episode two and it's already giving so much.

- It's, this show is Bunkerino. - The cast is all in. I do know that from the movie we've met a few of them. They are like the old van der Pomp.

“I think a lot of people are comparing that.”

We're like the new van der Pomp. I'm not sure if we're totally buying the authenticity of its cast, but it's early, but this, the cast of Southern hospitality, you're in a very almost grateful way as fans. You're like, "I don't think that's in your best interest."

- But thank you for doing that on TV. You know, like, I mean, to watch currently we have Joe Bradley, who's literally been instead of doing his job for the past year. - It has just been on tour with Matti, where he's asking Leva, "Can I have a bigger responsibility

"and can you invest in my business?" And Leva was like, "Uh, what is this business "that you speak, guys?" - And Sarah, did you keep that Joe Bradley was in that friend group chat? So the group chat that we saw the reason--

- I didn't notice that. - I didn't notice that. - But Matti being like, "Wait, I don't know what's going on "because they fake her boyfriend cheating." - Oh, yes, yes.

- I basically brought up, because it was Mia and Emma,

and Emma was like, "Mia was in that group chat. "Mia's like, "I swear it was, or Matti said it, whoever." - Yeah. - Mia was like, "I was not in that chat." - I saw a chat with her.

- Because she was made her pull it up. She's in the group chat by showed other people. Joe Bradley's in that. - Yeah, and Mia was like, "I wasn't in a chat." - You know how many group chats?

I don't realize I'm a part of that, you know? - Yeah, that's how I have on mute. - You can't control. - Joe's actively implementing it or not commenting. He's actively texting in this group chat, so it's like nobody, and I don't know maybe Matti and Joe have discussed this off camera, but like nobody has brought up that part of the storyline.

“- Right. Well, it's like, I think what really is happening on Southern Hospitality right now is you really see how much you can get her by your friends when they do shitty things.”

Because you have, I think the TJ thing with Matti is really a bummer because you can tell they really care about each other. - Well, yeah. I'm like, this is like one of the crazier storylines, because it really is like, she's told her boyfriend to you on her. She broke up with her boyfriend on one of the season. - She thought that she was going to come up with him.

- Yeah, she was going to marry him, and then she's with Joe Bradley, who she's not ready to get married with, and especially if there is an element of Joe being a part of that group chat, and she's saying that she's in intensive therapy because she doesn't know what's real and what's not anymore. And I like, I think that that's a very interesting plight because it's like even her being like, I've been DJing on tour this whole time, but I'm coming back to my home, my safe spot to film Southern Hospitality.

I'm like, I don't understand the parallel of what is your reality. - And then it's like she does.

- Right, this TJ saying I was never friends with Matti.

- Yeah, and then she's like, I have an entire PowerPoint presentation that I made showing you that we are in fact friends. - Her sober, was it, was it sponsor? - Oh my god, her master sponsor Julia. Shout out to Matti, raise his master sponsor Julia. - No, we should, they were like, she's like maybe keep that.

- Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that?

- Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that?

- Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that? - Can you give her a door for that?

- Can you give her a door for that? - 30% go, and then TJ got him a dick and balls to canter, yeah, and then it was like he's into me, he's got a crush on me up and then the night before made out with TJ and Michael and Michael's. - Yeah, I'm like, give me this. - You really like Molly, something about Molly, I just love Molly. - I think she's a bad bitch, I think she literally is just kind of like she's able to deal with confrontation and I'm like if Michael's for example, was screaming at my face being like you can't be here, don't get out of it.

- And I would probably, by the way, Michael's some at Bravacan tall. - Gorgeous man. - Gorgeous. - He's such a giant. - Mm-hmm. - He has a great age. - He's a great age. - And imagine that hovering over you, telling you to get the fuck out of his statement.

- And then he's established man. - Yeah.

“- Oh yeah, I see you made up with Molly and like being like, I don't remember that, but sure.”

- But yeah, I mean, you know, Soper? - Oh yeah, I also, so what I find really interesting is Maddie Reese, like the way she's forgiving Brad and Mia, but not TJ. - Well, TJ also didn't have a conversation with her, and now he's like the two DJs. - Yeah, that is true. TJ is really go full of scorched earth and Brad and Mia did apologize.

- Do we think the hot dog was actually named like Throw a Dig at Maddie or do you think TJ actually just did it? - Do you remember his hot dog called? - The Cheater or something like that? - Yeah, that's why she got heated in that one episode and threw Mia on the ground. - Oh, yes, he is. - I don't think so, but I just think it's probably like a, an ongoing storyline of your show. It makes sense to like name a hot dog after it, but the one thing I do want to talk about though is Emmy and Will, Will is not on the show.

He didn't come back after the mental health, whatever.

- He wants to be a lawyer.

“- But it's Emmy that I'm having the issue with right now because it's kind of like, I feel like the show's positioning it is like, do you believe TJ and Bradley or do you believe Emmy?”

And then hearing that Emmy was on the phone saying that like Bradley makes her feel unsafe saying that like, oh, I really got them.

I kept crying and kept over emphasizing the mental health so that they would it focus on Will.

“And it's just like, it just, it's giving very calculated in actuality, I think you are the cause of most of these issues.”

- That is my biggest issue with Emmy is she has never been like, you know what, I fucked up.

- And then the second that she gets in the hot seat, what did she start doing hyperventilated? - Yeah, and it's like, girl. - Yes. - Use your words. - I think we need to see how more of the season unfolds because I think, and to see how Emmy navigates it, because unfortunately to your point,

“think she brought it into a conversation that involves race. So like now, you have to see where she is.”

- Hey, a lot of good TV out there. We're super grateful for all the great content and super great for all of you listening to our show. That will do it for us today. Thank you to our guest, Vannell, Libby, and Justin, all from Age of Attraction. We hope you guys enjoyed this episode as much as we enjoyed bringing it to you. We are back on Thursday with another wild and wacky episode of Reality Cap. - Also, don't forget, if you haven't checked out, the love is blind going deeper episode that we dropped last Friday with Amber and Brittany.

Be sure to check that out as well. Bye-bye. (upbeat music)