E1099 - Bachelorette On Pause? Jessi Draper Addresses Divorce, AOA Finale w/ Chris & Arden Myrin

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percent off site wide make sure you enter our show name at checkout so they know we send you helix sleep dot com slash v i a ll what's going on everybody welcome back to another exciting episode of the vathaus i'm your host Nick join by the household and my wonderful decor just pregnant wife how you feeling babe how you feeling i'm feeling lovely i am i you know we decided that we hate all of our babies that we had and so now thanks to the

“drawing now i decided no we just you know i think the fear is is that we'll always think of the actress fair enough”

it is a very distinctive named high to a specific person and i think we always have the story to tell

and that's you know but i did have my my sister Emily keeps this like very detailed running family tree and i think it's she started doing it because my mom's mom had one back to like five brothers who immigrated together like a long family tree oh shit so she sent me my dad's side mother and father and then my mom's side mother and father and the names good that my family had good to other names i don't know i think there's definitely some southern there's some southern

there male but there are also some that are like oh this is like who is this person i can work with this too yeah no in um nineteen forty five uh i don't i don't know who this person would be to me but there is a pink Bailey pink Bailey okay this pink Bailey and she was married to barcher bitten pink Bailey a barcher bin oh i bet their family is extremely beautiful my mother's like great grandfather his name young corneelius young corneelius love eating live there was a brother and a sister

or not sorry twin sisters which this is interesting okay titty and tanny titty and titty and tanny that's so tony t a w n one what's full again t a w n and she named my daughter's blue blue and babba babba titty and tony tony just t i name it and me me tiny jack what's her name tiny jack tiny jack that's really cute tiny jack partly tiny jack or at least that's like you that's really cute so we're still working I know but i kind of only think of a just and heart there was

uh there was a a rolly in there and we were both like um rolly and then and then we kept talking about it and it kept saying rolly and I was like no it's rolly yeah you can't get it right yeah and then immediately vetoed it so like college is gonna suck for her you know it's just like what's your name it's rolly rolly you know rolly yeah do you think rolly became a name because people with southern accents couldn't say rolly rolly yeah well it also is like a city in

there's some good names lot of Lorraine's Lorraine yeah lot of pet seeds well as always we got a

jam packed loaded episode for you lot to get into obviously we are still covering the fall out of the bachelorette potentially but I'm paused it may not cancel we don't know obviously is there a chance we might still see this season uh more with the case is unfolding so lots get into Jesse Draper is getting divorced as is that story broke when we uh that's story broke a couple days ago and she has recently gone on Colorado and had a lot to say uh which is um unfortunately not surprising

from one of the things I've heard in the Jordan I got to know but certainly uh dark um and certainly a lot to discuss we also have art in marine to talk about uh the finale of age of attraction as

well as we have Chris from age of attraction talking about his time on the show why he chose to

not end up with Leah uh was he there for the right reasons hard to say uh he is with us it is a wild and fascinating conversation it was kind of giving Alex from Love is blind and just the sense of

“like he says so much yeah yeah that you're like I don't honestly I have no like I asked you like”

what you're doing for supper you know like yeah huh you're talking a lot but you're not saying you're not saying if I have something to say it is fascinating to listen to so um there is that uh but before we get into all things uh bachelorette headlines and uh secret lives of Mormon wives we do have a very exciting announcement which we announced last night the vathaus will be hosting the age of attraction reunion it will be coming out Wednesday night for you audio listeners it will

be same time same place uh for the video which honestly is every union you are definitely gonna want to watch this reunion um yeah um a lot of facial expression like it's it's it's are it was meant for your eyes yeah we we we we we put we put a lot effort if you can't if you can't wait obviously you can listen to we support that but then go back watch it with your own eyes is an extended cut exclusive details we might have shot not even necessarily just in this room

and we will be uh airing it uh live in a way on youtube at 7pm eastern 4pm pacific on Wednesday and uh apparently I might be like what in the chat something like that maybe maybe we will reveal more information as it comes out but we are very excited to bring you the reunion we do have the trailer of the reunion for your viewing pleasure welcome to the age of attraction season 1 reunion how many couples are still together raise your hands looks like fiveers not here does

“anyone know where she is i don't know if she'll come to go like air in the south that's what we're”

here john is there anything you would like to clear up in this moment what was gonna about john speak it true you took that for me i mean we have gone through a lot of shit i don't want to hide it if you think he was there to find love go ahead and raise your hands you guys are in fact engaged i don't deserve to date someone who texts me i feel disgusting with you you know it's not easy Libby how do you feel yeah i expect to get emotional i'm hoping that people can see this and

feel like this is okay do you feel like you both been able to really show up and be a team in those difficult moments in my mind you're literally like my husband like there is nothing else i cry so hard and area that i've been weak she's able to help me get through it has anyone had an issue with your age difference i almost didn't come out this week to ally you're like gaslighting on like you're like anyone Teresa yeah i was really really sad watching

that bad guys i'm not i'm just i'm just here words man i'm just what you hear what i'm saying

the notes speak for you i never said that four days in i wanted to go home tell him how

it is now what you left it there that was in it all oh shit like that's something i'll probably

“need to know you don't want to say anything i don't know you honestly didn't like leave i'm going”

to defend my woman or any woman in my life here you have you met his daughters i have not why why not and he was yelling from afar at y'all to start no absolutely not i hope i love you here so and you want to air all of our dirty laundry let's do it is there a chance you guys to get back together whoa it looks so good you guys and then they say here it has the say you know shout out shout out Kyle and Justin and Trava most of episode we will get into wife

i like the stuff she's posted uh but uh lots to get into lots to unpack really uh we we were as fast you know even as close to the show fascinated about and wanting to get an update on kind of where they now i don't obviously we pack we unpack a lot of um who's together who's not why people are still together why they're still not uh the finale is out now well in case you haven't watched it i don't know uh before we get into all of our bachelorette and Mormon wives headlines don't

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“and the question is how do you do it and the reason i'm asking this is because as someone who”

i sound congested and i am congested i found out that like when you're pregnant you can't take just any medicine nothing hear me out and like you barely can take anything is what i was told by my mother because i'm over here like day quill and i quill pop it all with a little bit of an adville like i don't want to feel it like what's your cocktail yeah like my mom is like you know you like can't like when you're sick you just that is a Tylenol the only one you can

pretty much take or yeah i mean you really just have to like push through and and when you're pregnant you're like double the congested right yeah you do so much fluid in your body that's like you are you just have to like raw dog life like that yeah and i actually ask Nick um i have like something going on with like my skin is like being weird and then also my left ear is like

“very dry and i was like Nick what is happening to me what are these babies doing why is my left”

earlobe dry maybe just one of them wants to hear you speak for yeah you know but it's just the one that's on the left i mean i will say anytime i've had conversations with not only about pregnancy sometimes it does feel like we're having a conversation about the substance i'm like wait what happens yeah every i'm scared for the day that i get the anal spasms that was her love and did me and i was alone with that i know and like i get why you can't take just any medicine like

i totally get that but like that just makes me have so much more respect for people that are pregnant because you really just have to like feel through it and you're pregnant it's like imagine being sick and you can't take men's and then you're also pregnant literally i'm so sorry yeah yeah yeah yeah they look different you can tell well we officially found out that they're fraternal for the longest time we thought they were identical and then finally we did this blood test

turns out they are fraternal and now we're like they actually have completely different noses like they are one looks just like river and then one we're assuming look how possibly look like me i don't know Nick's like that look at the shnals are on that what i'm like well that one's supposed to be mine itself and he's like well baby me is my baby yeah so it's been it's been very fun did y'all see

the Justin Timber like do you why video yes sorry it was exactly what we always thought was

kind of i don't i feel like is there no it's just as embarrassing as i thought it would be and i understand why he was like trying to keep that from the public okay he was kind of answering the right question like when it's like going to be what do you do he was answering the interview question you know it's hard to explain to say you're a singer what they know who she's the best part like not to or i mean i'm a world world world tour no this is gonna this is

gonna really why you and you that's gonna really he's being humble he started off with like you know that's a hard question you ask me what do i do or what i was doing to her question he's trying to humble he's like i'm a normal person and he was just a hard to the dubious it's hard when you get treated like a normal person and i stay overnight i'm just here it's

when you're about to get arrested you're like this is my whole resume like this is everything i've

been doing did you guys see um the woman that was with him no there's a couple different videos actually saw him being pulled over in the truck and there's a woman with him like his like rapper it's not like he was following someone yeah and she was like she gets out of the car and she's like do you know who this is oh she's like that is dressing timber like he's like like i was just

“crazy in the history of like body cam celebrity um videos i honestly do you think that's ten”

times more embarrassing is like yeah when they have pulled the do you know who i am and the cops like i genuinely do not give a fuck glass walking the straight line he's like you know these are really heart test yeah by the way that it just this is just all proof that like he wasn't in the right

stage yeah i have a question for you guys do you think if this video would have gotten released

when he got his DIY people would have maybe had a little bit more empathy for him because he was giving like i'm doing my best here and he kind of seems like a person versus just the empty quote of this is going to ruin the tour and my shot we didn't have much to work off of and those were the only two things that maybe if we saw him being like you know these are really hard it would be like they would baby girl among the internet did they did they did they google was it in the

tour and then they made him where a longer shirt was it put on pause or wasn't it and he only stayed overnight and and like do i in the world of rock star world i don't i think do you do why you have the like overnight and jail in a bunch of fines but i don't think you're like doesn't stop you from not community i'm pretty sure he kept singing yeah i think i remember the videos from said tour yeah fortunately what he couldn't drive to tour i think he was canceling i think he canceled some

dates yeah i was gonna say is remember videos of like remember the whole fiasco where they had

“to give him a longer shirt because like the harness was yeah so i remember that video which i didn't”

well speaking of cancelled or put on pause a lot of just discourse going on uh now trying to figure out if we are actually going to have a chance to see Taylor frinky pulse season of the bachelorette lot of speculation that arumers i don't know much more than y'all know out there i i do know that i've talked to a lot of people who know more about this stuff more than me and no people in positions of power and a lot of people i've talked to have suspected or guessed you know it's just a

guess in their part but uh most of the former producers in such that i know close to the situation feel like like the quote i heard the mouse was they'll find a way yeah um they'll find a way to air it you know that's what i heard too i heard that like who Lou was gonna air it just by itself for a minute there i mean they're losing so much money sure and i know we all want to see it but at this point it feels extra achy oh i'd like i don't want to watch it but i also understand why

so many people do but if you were gonna air it air it on a bc air it how you were gonna air i mean

it's a whole thing the reality is though is a bc is a network television show that like

you know kind of the old ways of television the fcc and it's just a different there's a different expectation there's a different audience we now know with streamers like you're going Netflix in any show it like it's you can say fuck you know like you can you can't say that on network television

“who loses the same way and it's just like again like we talked a lot about if you want to break”

down of the whole situation two days episode we had Emily debaker uh former deputy district attorney for alley county along with Emily longer out of from variety to really break down this whole situation if you're asking like how did we get to this point why why did we ever get here we answer a lot of those questions on Tuesday's episode of reality recap but as we discussed I mean again like you know there's a lot of we have a lot of questions about like how did this

even get greenlit secret lives but it did okay and they chose to make the show at like reality TV you know like where you have a bachelor show reality v and it's like yeah it's reality v it's centered around this kind of very fit you know fictional fantasy world that's kind of not believable and you know it's very it's very staged we're secret lives I mean they're you know jessie which we will get into recently when I'm called atty and talked about like if they pick up

cameras and they continued and they get another season she will have to talk about her very messy divorce you know like this is a show that like they have leaned into they put on quote authenticity and then again that begs the question of like how much they lean into it you know did they protect their cast you know was there any is there anything off limits when it comes to what they're willing to film or air because up into this point it really doesn't seem like

it's crazy that they filmed Dakota walking to Taylor's house to spend the night the night before

“she was even coming to bat your head but like that's what happened and like they filmed it and they”

aired it and if the executives at Hulu just kind of doubled down and say hey this is our show we got we won an Emmy for it then then then I feel like they'll be able to kind of justify his dark as it is as much criticism as they've gotten like as Emily Lungereta mentioned people are gonna watch I think that's my question for you guys is do do you think that Disney as a company that famously loves to make money is going to eventually make the decision to release this

because of how like everyone's going to watch this to be honest if you look at the narratives online like everyone is like release this you've created so much intrigue regardless of the ethics of the situation there's been so much intrigue about this season that's been released so it's like well Disney is gonna make like the amount of views that this would get for them from a business perspective and if they already were like not really caring about or being selectively like on

“aware of things that we're going on wouldn't they just release it? My guess it's gonna it's going to be”

centered around the reality that like when we talked on Tuesday like the the question is what how how could they have cast her as a bachelor at that's not the question it's how do they green like the show that was centered around this domestic dispute and you can like question that

but the reality is they did and we all watched it and we all became fans of these people and this

video is horrific as it is is the video from 2023 in a situation that Taylor has spoken about Taylor is apologized about Dakota has spoken about it so more and more people are having that conversation about like you know we knew this already not more and more information is coming out again we still don't know what happened a few few weeks ago it went when production was shut down so that's definitely new information we did here from Emily Lungarada that she had talked to some

executive that suggested that they didn't think it was that big of a deal and they were fully expecting to pick up cameras sooner than later and that video came out but my guess is that commerce if there's a chance it gets aired it will be the discourse in it around

wait what what like we were planned we we casted her knowing this you know you know knowing

about the video I don't know but that that will be the big question and it's the dust settles well some of the vitriol in anger kind of diminished that will allow people to focus on they want to watch the show and and you know it's I had a question about this too because correct me if I'm wrong but the whole season has not edited yet of the bachelor like they have all the footage but it's they've edited like three or four episodes yeah that's usually how

it works I mean they will definitely edit most of the episodes so then if they were to eventually release this all of these editors are going to be editing and post producing this from the lens of knowing what happened with Taylor often there is like we're going to see as a trusting version of like accounting the history of the season versus like making that's all about love you know name like it would be curious it does it does it does it totally does yeah well that that will be a

question maybe to your point they have that option they they can change the edit and as we talked about on Tuesday like it seems like they have already like it didn't feel like they had her consideration her mental health or her well being in mind at all as they set her up to be the Bachelor at now that they're being called out for that will that also change the edit or will they just not give a fuck it does make you think about just your point Justin makes makes you

really think about how much control producers and editors have over these narratives specifically in the bachelor it's like yeah you're right focusing on love and then if the bachelor were to like deconstruct itself for a season it's so insane that's well and the funny thing but it's also really

“interesting and I feel so that's what you're for being interested you know yeah I mean I don't”

know how they it's interesting it's hard even if they edit or like if they give her a villain at it they wouldn't I don't think great like that it's a key I don't know I don't know what they're planning on doing all I know is what I saw in season four of of Mormon wives and just knowing how they and again but people have to you know those aren't the same producers the people who make Mormon wives they don't they don't give a fuck about the bachelor at they don't care it's not

their show they don't they don't make any money from it other than the fact that they are making one of their biggest stars they're they are allowing her they had to get permission so but they don't really care about her bachelor's storyline so I say with confidence they were a lot of bachelor producers who watch season four of Mormon wives who were just as shocked as we were to see what happened and what was aired and what was shown so they could have been planning

on giving her a good edit but like what they what we saw in season four us knowing as fans

so like you can get a good edit but like she didn't get a good edit on Mormon wives and what's

fascinating about it it's it's two different production companies with two different interests but to Justin's point they they they they can change things up into this point and they can you know play around as far as we know also like the whole crew that was editing the season doesn't have a job anymore so I was just making the point of like if they were to choose to like put the somewhere it would just be weird retrospectively to Natalie's point even like touch it

there's also reports rumors that are being talked about floated at the mora higgins was being discussed they were saying that mora higgins is going to be alive bachelor at again this was a room she commented on a pose with i-logies i'm sure she did i'm sure she you know i wouldn't

she wanted like that's a fun river it's not a true rumor that the la la and Miranda was never a true

rumor like that one though but like again if you know first it was like oh they're going to cast uh Miranda and la lots it's like well so they're going to re-shoot the whole season that's months long you know like you they have to so even if it's live they have to recast it they have to find new men or what they're just going to reuse the old van after their traumatic experience and just do another live show like also it's just it's not love island it doesn't work that way

they don't have the the team in place to pull something like that off it's it's not i don't think now would be the time to revolutionize bachelor production schedules yeah yeah it's just like a silly made up rumor uh that being said more in begins would be a fun batch right i would fucking love it

“she would be a fun batch she would be so good by yeah i just don't i don't know that i think you need”

to leave that i think there's the last of final rules okay um just like she was in the room just he did say on call or daddy that like if this season does air like this was a very

different version of jet of tailor that we've never seen she's talking about the bachelor if the

season of the bachelor air that like this is a version of tailor nobody's ever seen where she was completely separate from Dakota like how she was before she was yes and it was applied that this was a good version of tailor that we've never seen she also confirmed that they all knew about the tape they just hadn't seen it yet like until the police and everything this job recently but yeah she was like we were all like aware because they were filming the season when the incident happened

yeah and so the whole point of continuing on was that it is a reality tv show and furthering

“you know what is actually going on in their lives so they that's why they continued on because”

and they they did talk about it during season one yeah but that's what's interesting because we when we had Emily Langerada she had told us that she had talked to some who the executives who insisted that they um hadn't seen the video or didn't know about the video and the the no the didn't know part is very hard to believe yeah and the on and I honestly think if that's not true if they were not being totally forthright and maybe there's a lot there's a lot of executives there's

executives who could there's executives who worked for the show who weren't working for the show when the show started so there's could be that I'm possible to liability like but at this point they would have been better off just being like yes we investigated it is hard as it is to watch and and his horrifying as it is you know that we there's no world in which they would say that but they're gonna have to they're gonna if they're gonna air it they can't stand by your

star or they're on TV if episode one season one of Mormon wives a senator round this actual domestic dispute and you chose to not only move forward but air it and and show footage please camps literally just you might as well just own that you did an investigation you know like Taylor was arrested for that situation the police saw the footage whatever you think about that situation she was allowed to live her life and be with her children like you know that

like they would have had you know them saying like yeah that's that's that was her life that she was allowed to live and they filmed this show you know and so if you might as well just

“if you're gonna lead with it what you might as well own it that's kind of what I think”

some of my issues with it is is that it's kind of like this like weird morality thing because I'm like they talked about it but I don't think to the fullest extent so it's kind and but even then it was very transparent that it was a domestic barbecue that she got charged for aggravated assault so I'm just kind of like I don't know if it's just because of how many other people there are in the Mormon wives cast and whatnot that it kind of just gets like downplayed or like was it up front

aware of what happened but I think obviously not knowing that this tape existed and then seeing the

tape after the fact obviously it's very easy hindsight to be like oh my god I can't believe that they did that but like again I can believe that executives and people who make big decisions did not see this tape or that her cast mates hadn't seen this tape but they knew that it existed here's another fascinating question I mean again you can't ignore the timing with the with the fact that this tape got released three days before the batch right premiere they were they were

going to have to cancel put on pause whatever you want to call it because again a lot of people who saw that video like the cognitive dissidents of like it just like oh this this is what just happened we can't possibly move forward but what if this video came out let's say season three of Mormon wives season two or whatever way back when I don't think it would have been a huge story it would have been as controversial as it was and we would have had just been as equally as

discussed and horrified by what we saw in this video I don't think it would have stopped Mormon wives I don't know I don't know you know because they I think with it being the bad tread it was a very different decision making tree so you also have a lot of people who are fans

of bachelor who never really watch Mormon wives who have like different feelings towards what they

want from their reality TV stars and different like moral you know feelings regarding that so it's like you bring in that audience obviously there's gonna be a way bigger backlash if it's just Mormon wives fans again the Mormon wives fans know this and that's the reason they're watching it to be honest like or I mean that's a general statement but they certainly knew about the situation but I do think yeah I don't think it would have been a decision like that video came out and four hours

“later they paused or canceled the season and that's what I think it's like that's where it's like”

it's the whole the whole situation I think is complicated for me too it's because it's like knowing the toxicity between Dakota and Taylor and the fact that he goes out of his way to ruin things

I don't think it's by surprise at all this information came out within the timing of bachelor

read but then it also doesn't excuse what we saw in that video and the behavior between the two of them and if people know that it's that bad like these two people need to be separated like I don't you know that's the thing that Emily Baker said is that in these situations like there is a protective stay away order put in place for all of these cases like that's a typical it's like if this is gonna happen once there's a likelihood that it'll happen again

right here's a stay away from each other order like if you have to drop off kids there's like this you know they put in whatever but that was waived in their case they didn't have that

“because obviously they had to film together together so it's like and that's what makes it so”

ugly because again the videos horrifying we all know that I think Taylor was equally as horrified by that situation we had her on this couch it was really hard to hear or tell the story and it was hard to I mean it was a sad it was a dark conversation but the Taylor we've gotten to know as a person like yeah like you know sometimes you meet people and there's like there's a darkness with this person yeah you know even when they're charming there's like you know like I don't know

something's off and then there are people you meet who like maybe have some demons when they're in bad situations it's there's things go off the rail but like when you meet them they're there's a goodness in them there's a you know there's a good person you see them like bring joy to people's lives and that was the experience we had with Taylor Franky Paul and you know it's just it's and that's mean you hear Jesse talk about Taylor and what we might

“see with the season of the batch her at it's just and that's what makes it so sad it's because”

in our experience we met a person who has a really at her core a good heart this sounds like this was a person who's overcome adversity after adversity well learned about her biological father in the season you know and so and then you have this this dystoxic relationship that got really dark and really scary and instead of separating them they were encouraged that at at at best into situations that only created volatility and in danger for everyone involved

and that's what makes it so fucked up yeah on to your point uh Jesse during the interview was talking about in the opening was talking about Taylor and how she has a heart of gold and and like because there's a lot of rumors going around that like these women don't want to fill with her anymore or like her abandoning her and that's just very much not the case she talks to her every day and that she was saying that she was just like I'm just sad that like this is what it like

Taylor's being reduced to essentially it. I really hope that she gets whatever help she needs and I hope right now I think my hope for her is that her inner circle whoever they are have her best interest in mind and she's getting the love and support that she really needs but I also don't think it's a coincidence

out on Jesse's behalf I'm just you know I'm not surprising that Dakota and Jordan are the

“best of friends um very similar in tactics and uh Jesse had shared a story about uh right before she”

maybe the day before she left him officially or like such he wanted to divorce that uh he was blocked mailing her saying that he was gonna post something on TikTok so she was chasing him around to try to get his phone from him and that he pulled out a phone to record her and like saying like are you gonna do it Taylor did and pretty much you might gonna have to call the police and might gonna have to call the police antagonizing her where I'm just like okay so then when you see these

videos and what not it's yeah just what happened before the video started and a lot of the times when you are in toxic and abusive relationships uh things can be recorded out of context and be used

against people to make them look in a type of way and that's what I'm saying and I'm not as

excusing Taylor's behavior by any means but I'm just saying that I do know that a lot of you know interpersonal violent relationships like that that people know what they're doing in order to portray

“somebody in a different type of way so it's that's why I said I think it's just such a very”

delicate situation I think it's kind of it's very gross that to me that anybody would know that what she's been through and then think that it's a wise decision to continue filming with said partner Dakota was not necessary for secret lives in Mormon wives uh nobody appreciates dad talks presence in in uh secret lives in Mormon wives so you know and then again you have these like conversations with like Zach and Whitney and all this stuff from just like I don't know I just

think the men being involved in secret lives in Mormon because I like Dakota got to go on banner pump villa and be a character there and probably got paid for it and you know like

let's see is it showing up on that trip to support the dancing with the stars and he always knew

that video he and we we know if we without there's there's no gray area and he knew what wasn't that video he knew that video existed even the idea for it going back to Jordan that Jordan would be blackmailing Jesse about anything going on and and with Marceano but yet you're going to put yourself in bander pump villa to be around somebody that you think was having an affair you're my son affair with as far as the accusation that Jordan was that Jesse had to get a new phone

number and and Jesse was fearful that Jordan was like had access to her information I know is true because like I before the announcement of the dead of wars I got a text from Jesse being like this is my new number I'm moving forward with a divorce and like she had when we interviewed

“Jordan and Jesse I'll never forget when we got done that her like we I went in the back room”

and her mom was like just bawling and crying and like thanking us for the opportunity to let Jesse tell her story but like she she desperately wanted Jesse to get out of this relationship and it was just like really it was really sad to hear her mom just you know talk about that and it's it's again for anyone going through these very messy things when kids are involved you know like how many kids to Jordan and Jesse have together you know like that's just you know it's

so heartbreaking and you just wonder why you know sometimes you at well why do you stay as long or you know people ask questions like that it's like because it's not you know this is that it's a father your kids you know you this is the family you built with someone it's not an easy decision you know and also somebody that just may not be that seems like a nice dude you know in public or whatever to come to find out that this is what her living situation was like

and that this man was like pretty much controlling her life making her life hell threatening to black male like where I'm just like okay there's a lot of reasons and then we saw the end of season four her going over her pre-nup and then realizing that certain things weren't signed and not knowing what that would equate to when she's worked so hard he hasn't been working in the last four or five years she did address the pre-nup in the interview or she did say that she talked to lawyers and

because she had people sign the pre-nup it's okay that she didn't have witnesses and she will have to give him all the money in child support but because she had the business before him he can't take it that's all this has been a close for him to even try it's such a well the whole thing was that she told him that she wanted a divorce and then he went while she was in a lay to file to like one of the headlines because he wanted to blindsided and then claimed that uh she claimed that he

thought it was going to be private and then she was like you gave them a statement like he literally attached a statement he also tried to slide a podcast clause into the divorce so that she wouldn't be able to go and podcast and talk about him which is says a lot what's that's a lot that you know that she knows things about you and like I just don't know why you wouldn't be like amicable about it especially uh he just so I'm just so giving like it's it's giving that the men of dad talk are in

like our talking and it's not a coincidence is all happening at the same time and it's not a coincidence that Jordan was making those alleged threats to Jesse and it's like people really too need to connect yeah the dots here uh she did make a point though that to say that it wasn't all of dad talk

clear that like I mean it's really just it seems to be Dakota and Jordan mostly I know I don't

“a lot of people have a change like Zach or you know she's other guys and messy but like we're”

into to me like you know freaking about the drama you see in my TV like I judge other men by how they treat their partners you know how they treat their women partners and like it there's a clear track record between Jordan and Dakota about how they do that I mean it's one thing to not like Zach but like it seems like Zach has really been there for Jen and a good partner to Jen for all his faults like and so I mean I did I find it disturbing this morning

I saw him post something with Jordan I thought was really tasteless uh like leaning into the reality of you villain at it like dude you're not a you're not a reality of you're you're a human

villain you are a bad person who's like you're someone who's about to try to go after the

mother of your children because you care more about public perception than you do about maintaining a healthy relationship with the mother of your children for your children I don't even think about probably it's not even that but it's his treatment in the relationship that I mean I'll know of how he belittled her how he even the creation of dad talks as so much because it's just like you couldn't let her have her own thing and you thought that this was something that just like oh well

if I do this it's gonna be equally as successful no like it's just like I just think that there's an ego beyond of this man who like instead of working or doing something with his time it was like I'm gonna be envious of my wife my wife is the breadwinner so I'm gonna do everything but be supportive

that's at least what I saw you know I mean he did tell her she needed to do pilates and fit

of her feminine I'm sure I wonder if Jesse was reminded washing love is blind to be like oh yeah my jerk ass husband did that to me too what is it also the whole escort thing like she said that before before filming before a season one came out that allegedly Jordan had participated communication with an escort business and she found this out because when season one aired this business reached out to her and employee set her screenshots of his number so she confirmed it was his

number obviously and he had allegedly communicated with them while he was in Texas to go sales do sales like and two weeks after she found this out was when she kissed Marciano and she said it doesn't justify why she did it but she's like I'm sure that had something laying in the back of your mind and then maybe there's she said it's not confirmed but there probably was orgies like there's stuff and that had probably done I had but thank you already has been dying in comments the dark side of

dad talk is definitely trying to paint themselves as victims especially with the Jordan one you see what's happening with the Dakota and to their Frankie Paul and it literally looks like Jordan is trying to follow that what looks like a playbook I don't know why because it's not working

“for Dakota so I don't like I just that's what I'm saying I'm just like it's just kind of crazy”

to me with like the seasons having aired and I'm just like your entire behavior is documented and then you think that you can write a narrative against well I will I mean yeah in this moment things may change turn we more information come out but yeah I think if you're Jordan you are really hoping yeah you're you're hoping for a similar outcome it seems like that's what Jordan wants it's really gross but we're gonna lighten the mood when we bring an

ardent marine in here to talk about the finale of age of attraction and then following that conversation we do have Chris from age of attraction which is a conversation you definitely do not want to miss but up next ardent marine an age of attraction finale ardent marine welcome back to the show we're excited to have you back all right thrilled last time we were here we were promoting your Netflix show which

number two on Netflix on Netflix oh we have a number two and I feel like you guys are gonna get one I can feel it and you're having baby we're two to two it's two to two everywhere oh well my goodness we will have announces but we are airing the reunion for age of attraction wow excited to watch it on the wildfowse oh my god oh yeah you know wherever you get your podcast it'll be on YouTube there's something you're definitely gonna want to watch

“but if you want to listen to it then watch it you know I just started to be having feeling”

sorry about this is juicy as you hoped but we're excited to have you talk about the finale it's honored it's real I feel really chosen this is thrilling so where do you want to start okay I want to start I may just pull up another my cheat sheet of the names because I'm obsessed with everybody I want to start with Teresa and John okay I okay here's my I like them I felt like I like them I'm glad they're together I was I want to start with the overall impression

get a five season pick up versus every other thing I mean has spoken yeah I feel like

“the success rate was so high with an engagement with an engagement not the one I saw coming”

me either and Rachel the engagement at that oh wild of all the ones my friends give me that we'll write about you she says I should have tried to do it a while and that's not a problem for him he's like I'm just gonna keep going like wait no wait please like a bold time a bold charging number we we watch that and real time yeah we had no idea it was going on and we were just like do it and then like oh my god no you you didn't know we didn't know how

I'm gonna ring as hosts we're not playing the Leo right okay okay for the other people he went pre okay we just we we we we knew we had a ring in hand but you thought he might not use it we weren't sure how he was gonna use it or if he was gonna use it when he took off her promise ring we were like oh my god they're he's he's he's he's we'll start with this one let's

start with this one because okay Vanessa Logan Vanessa Logan look here's what I want to say

and I'm always really these are all human beings and I'm rooting for everybody on earth like it's hard to be it it's complicated to be a person on earth we all come with certain baggage is like we all we all have certain quirks of how we interact we are imperfect we are perfectly imperfect I'm imperfect truly it's the fact that people end up together I'm always rooting

“for people and that's why even on the podcast like that I I'm really upset this rose like I'm not a”

cynical person I don't hate watch things I truly get excited even for proposals that I I may not feel healthy I'm so clapping and happy that they're getting I'm of I'm stuck up for it I also want to just say to her and look we've all been there where we get nervous and we start talking okay as a gal I sometimes I can get nervous and it's it's interesting one of the things I like about reality shows is when you see yourselves

or maybe sides of yourself that you don't like is my totally so when she was nervously introducing her to her friends and she wouldn't let him talk that was tough to watch though and I felt like it was a heightened version of it was hard to watch of like she would ask him a question and I felt like he was fully justified and at that moment it felt like

“the problem isn't the age difference it's like just even if a little fake it's you make it”

calm yeah this present a little chill even if inside you're freaking out pinch your hand take a breath to stop talking yeah like the word weight why am I talking just take a

fucking second just take a second and we've all been there even like right now I'm talking too

much I'm gonna stop in a second no but I felt like I felt like so then watching it felt like maybe they weren't the healthiest together and her friends concerns I felt like it takes two to tango in all relationships they just didn't feel like the right pairing it is valid that like when you meet friends for the first time and like you are doing that little back and forth thing that you know is arguing and not cute and you're like still doing it in front of the

front like you don't have the awareness to be like to stop let me not respond like when Logan's like are you gonna let me talk or are you gonna just gonna keep talking like he doesn't have the awareness be like let me not say that right now yeah and let her just let me wait till she's done you know it's like yeah maybe when I did think that maybe they were compatible was when they kind of came home and they debrief and I was like couldn't be more turned off by that

conversation I was like this baseless we're not fluffy yeah cross a Los Angeles right up the day I was a full loss of hair I experienced nothing and then what he said was why don't we just enjoy the moment and came on to her and I said I like it I did too but I was like couldn't couldn't be me no I would have said no thank you I'll be sleeping on the couch or you can or whatever but that was not for me but it was for them so I was like well maybe they are compatible can I ask you

guys a question on my friend my best friend Laura Lockeus is also obsessed with the show and I was with her yesterday and we were debating when we saw the apartment tower and we heard the pillow talk of somebody saying women are an oven and men are who was that that was them I didn't think that was them okay what was the story that was them it was them they were struggling with each intimacy level she wanted for the delight he was more like yeah all her friends were

getting get all up and down Vancouver the Cova's getting proved all over. yeah she was it was rough to explain like how the women's body works to her younger partner you know I thought Logan was a sweet girl he did he handled it well you know what the word him

and I liked his mom I felt like I'm just going to say as a as a human female and again watching

“of like you got to hide that need like he got to present you got to contain it no I know you're”

got to know you're coming in friends you got to seam a little mysterious there has to be a little mystery a little chase of like I don't know maybe like there's no the demand it like let him come towards you a little bit rather than like you want to turn a man off be like why are you getting at it immediately right now like just let him make a yeah I've definitely turned a man off like that definitely and my favorite I want to make a side comment you know it's like yeah

why you didn't want to oh you didn't you didn't like that I like a guy that can get at it hey I like a guy that can get at it I do we like it when we can get at it too I'm going to say I know it's tender I know it's tender for a fella and by the way I can fake it in a guy like

“there's like and I understand it's tender for a fella thing and like that I can get in their head”

the guys get tired and like I know it can be hard for fella or not yeah my beautiful sexy gargis wife is pregnant with twins very difficult but she's she's also like it'll be like I'm so uncomfortable like this is the constantly talking about I'll yeah understand me saw this is going on okay I thought I was being respectful I'm what I thought you were in pain I didn't know I got out of the pound I don't but I want the thought of the pound yeah

she was I wouldn't deny your pounds you want to feel the pounds so when in doubt pounds it out so you can be like hey yeah you want you want you want the pounds to come twin oh my god you're so obsessed with me you just like can't get me alone but instead he

“walks past me in the shower and like doesn't look twice and I'm like are you serious like I'm”

standing here naked I understand I understand I understand I understand look I also do think sometimes a fella there's all different ways of fellow cum wild out you're like sure you did

not just sir like yeah and a good guy there's a wet lot always like a good guy who thinks

it's just such a given that he likes his lady there's a ways that a good guy can wild out without even realizing that any woman will be like wait what was it I get it is sir you did not just say such as such right after this like like for example yes Nick war a pair of my yeah pregnancy genes that I had with River he wore a pair of them out on Saturday yeah Sunday and they were following off of his body wait you wore pregnancy you were in front

when you were the pregnancy turkey she has these vintage Levi jeans they're like men they're like pregnancy pouch they're like sitting very low right at me I didn't really like the wash and I was like I want to try these on and then and then they sagged off of his body for the rest of the day and this morning I was like oh I recently have bought another pair of some pregnancy genes that I already had a bottom in a different color she feels like I'm just

gonna throw those on put them on my I'm gonna these fit look better than I thought they would right check it they are his jeans I say so if you wanted to get into my brain currently which is a very scary place let's hear it that was just like not what I needed this morning you know what I'm saying like after watching my jeans fall off of him all the way and then watching his jeans fit me I find it snug perfectly okay he gave me a toy okay okay he's deciding to say I'll

show her while making me an extra large bowl of cocoa crispies I see okay okay first of all she slay

nail there okay can I just say no she fires she slay all day like Lala what are you wearing call the press all of it like hear for it hot hot super hot so hot and women even on our best days can be in the fields for sure and I can see yes I do yes so point being look there's a whole set situation and I just want to say for the indoor outdoor voice of the head of our queen who was trying to out when she was saying she's not saying don't say just that the control factor

even if they do it wrong and then he couldn't win no he was annoying to and then he snapped at her there was like Vanessa and Logan yes there was Vanessa Logan it was like a full it was like a fully watching reactor reactor reactor we watching these maybe they're not the right fit and yet here and then let me get to the proposal where he said give me the remember every back and I'm like

pretty good what are you going to do with that you feel like first of all you didn't buy that like

if you get to go get somebody okay but to then where is this going then she was like you're right everyone was right about you you or are they right about exactly what yeah wait I have questions exactly and then she was all in he proposed well I loved it. I was curious was that the proposal I think for a TV show that is we took it as a proposal. He didn't need right he was on the journey you can't will you do life with me yeah that's all the holidays that's very 2026

we don't need to get married to live together no labels yeah situations you don't judge me yeah situations in front of me don't shame me yes like hey I want to be in relationship but we're doing life together dude I get out of here so you're paying all of our bills right leaving life together we're doing life together I look we went on vacation yeah I mean I didn't enjoy that they got purple I was still happy for them I'm worried about it I'm happy for sure that she got what she

wanted well tune in next week to the reunion to get an update on where are they now I'm so

“dying to know I'm so naive I just assume it was happily a wrap well that's what I'm so excited”

about the reunion because like if you already filmed it we have already filmed it because there's this a lot you know there's a lot to unpack and like you know you could say it's somewhat easy to

leave a reality video in a relationship okay always break up the next day we found we filmed this last

April May oh so it's been almost a year yeah I've been almost a year well okay can I stop unpack with these couples Mary what did you think of them I think they're cute and I think a lot of their issues I kind of let slide past because I think they're kind of wholesome when they're together they're something about them that just like I don't know there's a charm between the baby if they could calm down without cameras on them and like yeah like they seem in love

do they yeah I hope so I don't know here's my fear about them more than the other couples that are there my fear about them is it felt like and I'm gonna say this and I hope I'm wrong because I actually really am rooting for them because I'm I'm I'm a fool I felt like he picked her because he

“knew if there was a big enough age gap that he would get airtime that's what it felt like he was”

scrambling like musical chairs interesting the other ones he didn't feel that way that one felt a little scramble musical charity I would I would maybe I would maybe are you in pushback on that maybe later originally maybe it originally started out that way right maybe yeah I think I'll need a tune in for the reunion I can't wait what do you think of Leah and Chris okay again and I want to say to my iconic queen Leah stun gun gorgeous cool career on her own would love to go have dinner with her

had I lighter in a relationship I don't think it was the age difference I felt like if a man wants to take a nap if a person wants to go to the gym what what if I offered you context we had Leah on on Tuesday's episode and we answered about this question she reminded us and and again like even it's host of the show we're not like we're not watching ever seen in real time we're reminded that like especially at this stage of the show we're living together they don't have

their phones they don't have their jobs yeah shit a book it doesn't matter you go for a walk it doesn't matter they're only there to have quality time so I don't care part of the fun but she does it no I don't I'm so I'm going to say it's you're setting up the dynamic and if you're freaking out because someone's taking a shower and they say find you hate me because you're

“taking a shower you gotta be able to you know I hear you're thinking you have to be able to go”

meditate well that's not real like like go for a walk suity what do you think oh whoa um I agree I agree I didn't know the context of not having your phone but I will say if somebody's telling me hey you're giving you're like in my space too much I'm gonna get out of your space no I would actually never speak it yeah actually I would be like oh you wait I would you hate me you'll

never see me again to make you okay miss me you know literally the second I feel any resistance

or boundary setting I'm so into that I'm like I'll give you all your boundaries I will literally hold my dropper job and I'm like that's why I have never taken a dollar from any man and I'm like

with anyone again yeah you're basic warrior that you're gonna end up with you'll miss me forever this is the last person we'll have fun with you we're gonna regret saying that yeah yeah that's how I mean so I'm with you I didn't hear the context about the phone because I do think if so they're not working or anything well I just like again it's not just about the phone it's like at this stage I know no this isn't all they have to do it all they have to do it spend time together

I know but if you wanted to know the gym or what I like a little alone time oh I need a life over group oh my god yeah need it but like this is so and these environments you have such

“little time I know but I think to regroup and gather yourself if you're never you're never”

resentering yourself to come back and be present and you're only just like basically you're getting drunk and you're staying drunk you're getting drunk you're day drinking you're drinking again but like you don't have a time to have the hangover before you go to like the party what happens if you meet you meet a guy yeah it's early sparks are flying it's like everything is really great honey moon phase you're just like you're just like you're just you're you're talking

about your future you're just like you're you're playing house in your mind you're like yes and we're gonna have such a good life together it's so great and then you go to the promise room and you make a promise to each other to really you really want to see this through you

really want to you really want to explore this relationship you've never looked more but I love it

you're you're two you're two weeks in for this relationship and then almost then he's just like this is a lot but it's a lot because I'm saying when you take a shower you hate me she's making him say this is a lot no he but that's nothing I don't think that's a real contact is like a product of me to say that but it's not just about the shower it's framed as the shower it is

“him basically wasn't he saying this is a lot because of the shower I think he just kind of”

disappeared on her a lot okay he did that before so he was pulling away before she freaked out about the shower in the jam he kept started he started to pull away when we didn't see that you saw the end result of a of a buildup so you watch him start to sort of disappear a little bit yeah okay well well the only other couples were both on and off camera okay so it seemed like a tough thing they could they could they could go out and get ice cream they could go shopping

I say okay okay okay they did not do that okay so this is good information okay you know what I'm backing up yeah we got a back this is where you know we're back on your side this is me too where I can learn again this is actually come up pretty good in a relationship where I can admit where I'm wrong this is strange and I didn't have all of my facts but I owe you an apology learning change but when we came in before we started rolling we were talking in that conversation

we both agreed with without the context we both agreed it would drive me nuts if somebody was like up my ass like that without any context Leah doesn't look like a rash and you know you

were like they edited her they did her dirty in the edit okay so okay that basically look you

know when as a man or a woman or like whoever you're dating you know in a person you can feel it when they're obsessed with you and you can feel it when it just whatever somebody open the window and somehow it's gone and you don't know what happened but you can feel it when there's a pull coming towards you or we're like it's just not happening and it feels bad well after you leave the studio we are going to air our interview with Chris which I think will be very

interesting for a lot of people to hear which I think will also be a great set up going into the room oh my god and you're definitely your deafening I want to hear a lot of background from Leah's state of mind and and just things she communicated to Chris and then at reunion he walked in wearing sunglasses no yeah I got pulleards of him with and with on sunglasses I said whichever one you want take them wow do you think you know who cares iconic move that's a

“move respect by the way before we started one of his peers said you should take those sunglasses off”

when I looked at her and I was like check her a little yeah I'm so glad I'm leaving

we talk Jorge for a second yes sure pastor son pastor son pica pica vino obsessed with her

squeeze in the minute I shut down I get flooded and I I leave my body but I don't leave the building so I watched panicking in real time how he was talking at her whatever happened out on the street with that man on the street okay first off I knew he had kids when she asked you have kids and he didn't answer in the promise room whatever I know it he's 60 that's a lot an actual boomer respect I mean he's hot the way he was talking her poise and having her own back

in the moment the way he was and his threading the needle about the celibacy thing of like being

that he's angry that it's not nothing it's like like I felt for her having her own back

“with elegance she didn't start crying in front of him I would have panicked if I had I would have”

just I would have shut down in the moment and not started I would have gotten out of there I would have freaked out knew what they would have aired the audio of me behind the camera so the producer yeah I'm sobbing in the elevator sobbing like yeah I need a tattoo I would have been panicking pull the cool to jump the fence pull cool to fence I would have jumped if I was I'd be like she's heard legs are so short how'd she get over the fence then she did a twice she went back

into the cupping pajamas her poise and having her own back I wanted to take lessons from her and no time of how to have your own back I thought she was very elegant she was very elegant I like her she's a queen we do she's a queen but she's an iconist and they they're also at the room they are also at the reunion wow yeah what did I bet he's hot then we know she's hot but I bet he has this charm but he's he's very charming I bet he fills her room he does a hundred percent

Andrew and Libby okay Andrew and Libby okay I'd first say it was grossed out by him and then I found

them very cute I found her adorable I found her fun I found their dynamic very charming I actually felt like she sincerely wasn't just there for followers I felt like she really could just move to Baltimore and Maryam and they had really cute moments together yeah I felt like even when they first were back at the retreat yeah and she was like I kind of like you a little bit he's like should we get married I love that dynamic she's fun I felt like if she

if she could teach the other gals a little bit more of her cool I thought her bad bitch monstrous were fun I felt like she seemed like even if it was coming from even any place of insecurity she seemed confident and it made her hold the cards a little bit and if she could have even some of the poise of not like both of them I felt like I wanted them to give to Sturdist and proposed engaged gal like I felt like she presented in a manner a little bit of teasing a little flur rather

than like I found that she had the fun teasing and it seemed like he liked her to have the upper hand

“and she was kind of a funny and seemed cool yeah I think early on they probably got the bad”

beats so to speak because like they leaned into her bubblyness and she looked very awesome yeah they leaned into her like youth she's the young one on the show and and I think over the season as a progress you see why it could work they were cute I felt them to be cute but the I kind of felt I really felt like they loved each other and I was happy for them I don't like when a older guy's like she's mature for her age and I didn't like when people told the older

woman you look good like there's nothing wrong right forty nine or like you look you look great period not for your age or for like when Logan's divines said so can we talk about how much you look older than me the optics oh my god the objects and it's like I actually didn't think they looked that visually different like maybe in person but I didn't find them to be that I don't that I thought I'm going to rest her out I didn't find them that maybe like jarring you're

not like oh my gosh I didn't find him that young looking I found them to look like a couple it is interesting to see how these couples work out yes and what happens post-filming and an age difference relationship often the person who's older comes in with more life experience yes one

“reason I think now and I worked out early on is because I had a lot of my baggage and heartbreak”

and things that were like hey you're life experience and then now he had her life experience even though she a lot younger than me yeah I felt like she related to like we had very different experience but when I was like I've been through a lot and I just need someone who like isn't Cavalier about like a serious relationship because like yeah like I've you know when you get older

and you have heartbreak and then you find someone else there's always this like I don't know

for this person's worth two more years of my life only for it to end and go terrible in just that whole of the gymnastics that I think when you're watching like Leah and Chris there's this kind of like how serious you like it's easy to be like hey let's not worry about age let's just go have fun me yellow yeah like when when these couples go out into the real world yeah and in reality hits will they still be able to show up for when it gets hard yeah well these well the younger people

yeah still be as committed to working through it yeah you know because it's a lot easier while filming to be like you know your hot we have good chemistry this is great you like what of course I'm attracted to you but when you start hearing about like their past yeah and and

because as you know being in a relationship is showing up every day and choosing each other

and not just when it's fun and exciting and you have the chemistry it's like when she hits the fan what was interesting seeing the older women they're right that society is a lot harder on the women and it was like an interesting yes to your point of like the show hit the fan for both sides like it can Libby like there's a big ages Libby or Fife or like like on both sides there's that and then also this is society sort of shaming the older women when

party was like go for like like like yeah when when I got divorced I don't want to be sure I'm a divorce eh but like like it's interesting when you know when you're in your 20s everybody's available and it's sort of like musical chairs and whatever and then you get like at a certain point where people get paired off and that a lot of people that a lot of older guys then want young so it's like well then who are you supposed to date like who are you like yeah so

it's like so the guys get to go date but the women have to just be put on a shelf like yeah so you know it's an interesting thing where if you know you don't go looking for an age difference but I have dated people that are younger and older like where you're like once you're sort of out in life it's like the numbers just get crazy both right it is that's a thing about the show you know a lot of people when the show came out it was almost like positioned as like a show that is promoting

yeah age differences or no we're just we're focusing on this one aspect that it is becoming

“more more common what's a reality and in dating and I think for anyone out there yeah”

the first time they dated someone who had someone kind of aged their friends you kind of were like

how did I end up there so you're like you're caught off guard well because you also at first you're all like in school together you date maybe one or two grades up then maybe you're like the same friend like so I also wasn't in my 20s when apps exist like I just feel like you sort of had access only at the time and might like to people that were your age you know your friends like your circle so I feel like now the apps of it all have really changed a whole variety like

yeah I wasn't like I'm looking for a man in his late 30 yeah yeah yeah like like over that you know so the guy that I dated a guy for year and a half who I met in real life who was 18 years younger than me and like and it was great was it so fun it was really fun it wasn't even like he was super successful we I loved him and I was and again it was I didn't know if his family would accept me he's Indian his family I loved his family I didn't know like I'm not Indian I was

older I was divorced and his mom was so welcoming to me I loved her I'd be still text on my birthday like I missed her I was touched like at how how I would have understood if she was like maybe if I wasn't what she was looking for for her son but I touched me so much that she saw like we just had a great time together were were you guys dating with the intention of like long deputy or were you like I'm just open to anyone this is going if it's fun it's fun but I

“really do see a future with you I think it for he was the first person I dated after like”

like I went on a bunch of dates and I've never really been I'm not like a sleeper around

gal and like yeah and I am also okay being single and I met him and I he I just on paper he didn't he lived on he lived on the other coast and on paper I was like well this is like this feels worth stacked again yeah this will never happen but I but I like I was tickled by him and I he was smart and we just liked he we just had fun he was smart and interesting and and different and like and I think at first both of us it's like well this will be a fun few

months unlike and then really felt for each other like we had really loved each other I was almost so impractical that I was able to dive in and go let's just give it a go yeah like let's just be into our out and like and it's okay and I think it was like a really lovely like it was like I have nothing like I loved the guy and like and I know he loved me and it was like a really beautiful I'm so grateful for it and so it was almost like this summer camp version of like let's just

“two would happen and it was I think more than either of us expected and that was like touching to”

see like here's this person that I might not have known this friends were great like his family was great and at a certain point we were just at different points in our lives and it was hard to walk away I was the right thing I think for both of us but like it was a very good relationship for me and it did show me that in some ways I have found when I was dating some of the guys that

or that I had a career like he had his own stuff he was like he was raised by a cool woman who is powerful

like I felt like he was open to and not like that all this stuff like all of that was not an issue but I also don't have kids so like I don't know how it looks if it's like but I did feel sometimes like going to his friends wedding so I'm like do they think it's weird is it weird when we all do karaoke like some songs that they are singing like at the same time I mean I don't know what's hard and so like that but it's interesting seeing the double standard like

what I liked about watching your show is it is a reality of like that sometimes society I hope more women can date younger men and it's super when we were alone I didn't really think about it like we just liked each other and he was smart and ambitious and cool we laughed our asses off

we traveled the world he was successful like it was sort of a non issue but the reality is

he was that it's just like you know it's I think it was more like there were certain things that we were just different on and I don't know that it was necessarily just the age thing what are your thoughts on bifur and direct do you think they I think they're cute I like him I liked her she really panicked when it came to having people come in and a man or reality panicked really panicked you know she's like wait what's going to happen when we leave yes

and when they were meeting people and I felt like I was happy that they gave it a go I liked

“the key giving I think that conversation that they had about moving really I think revealed”

like where she was in life and I think it kind of spoke to like she really is very much a 23 year

because she looks really young yeah we've got about how she looks it is more like I think again when you

talk about like well I plan this for myself I promise myself this and I had all these and this what you're asking me to do is very different than when I told my that that's just something I think when we're younger we do a lot more of the planning out our life and as we get older and shit happens our lives our our plans get destroyed we're kind of more like how Derek was there's like listen you know I'm this feels good right now I'm not but like I can't predict the future

yes and I don't know what our plans are but like what I'm what I'm focused on is what writes in front of me and why this is working and to me that conversation felt like two people in very different aspects of their life I felt like yes she did seem young in that conversation and I think she was like thinking of the reality of like I'm going to go be like and like a cold dissacse somewhere in Dallas doing like carpool with two kids yeah totally and I feel like they

have a chance to if she really wants to have a family and like be a mom now and have a ton of kids I feel like he will I feel like he would step up to the bat and try to love her forever and he would try to do it right I hope for her that she would have enough friends I feel like she's going to

“shut down in Dallas I hope that doesn't happen but that's what I think what do you think Susie?”

I think she's young enough not to say I mean I move to a new city at 30 and it was intimidating but I like thrive I made a lot of great girlfriends but I think it's really hard to to move it's hard it's hard it's hard to move at any point and it's hard to find adult friends lonely but I do think she's young enough where I'm like you could she could get plugged in pretty easily I think any major city but I agree with the the conversation that she showed her aid which might appear elsewhere

or maybe not maybe she just embraces it but I think that if you have a vision of how you you want your life to be and you're 23 years old and you're like wait why am I suddenly moving to a new city living and like you said the word called a sack and I was like like the fact and I'm like of age to like live in a cold sack yeah but I don't and it would be a lot to go live with somebody and become a step parent over and I live in a cold sack and I don't want

to go live in a cold sack guys no it's a good like like party like get all the neighbors together like every oh yeah little like you might say that's so you can like put a fireball in my circle if I call the friends yeah so I live in a call to make friends with your neighbors wasn't saying it might not say I didn't you got to like a city that I want to live in a cold sack happily yes I like this twist I go to Pasadena a lot and I'm like I could live here

“like I think it's so cute I like a big pig pile of people and I wanted to go to Vancouver”

through that retreat so I do like a big I like a gang of kids I like bike riding I like yes so that your version of it I liked that yeah I don't know why I pictured blinds drawn me too I pictured blinds drawn you pictured dark clouds just friend Elizabeth sitting alone waiting for somebody to come for more right but you're having bike riding you're having you're having lemonade stands you're having okay I want to get a version I want summer sprinklers I want

to jump in slides I don't many so many so many water come to your call this out yeah but that

you she isn't seeing where she's moving I don't think you know what I mean so I understand

the intimidation board with this yeah I'm saying I wish them well I want them to work out I wanted to I want the dally version of this you'll you'll have to tune in for the reunion I want to slip in slide I also I own one yeah I like that maybe we did talk about John and Teresa yeah let's talk about John and Teresa and then we'll get to our interview with Chris okay great John and Teresa I'm happy for them but I wanted her guard to stay down I felt like

she started to shut down on him she was adorable the retreat with him they were cute yeah I felt like he was good for her he seemed locked and loaded and all and yeah she started to seem like she was getting logged in I saw the eyes of like the leaving like leaving the body the

“log jam I was happy they ended up together I think she overthought the kids not know I”

was reading the kids letter really opened her like eyes to be like oh look they do just want me happy and they do she does seem happy yeah absolutely they're cute I want them to work I liked them together when she got shut down I felt like she was sort of dismissive to him thoughts you have things to say but you know what you know what happened you gotta watch her you know I can't wait to watch her Nick this show can I just say you guys it's riveting I know I love

it I want another season pitch to follow one couple that's the same age so that people don't just go on to go get the various like one to stay those are conversations that are happening that's my pitch that we that we follow so you don't know who's gonna have fun with it with

the first season right TV show there's limited budgets no we only got any episodes can I just

tell you you kill I but that's it was just a perfect season there's no no it's been now now now that people know how it is that way that you can't control I hope the same way like love is blind really found its footing season two it's so good I hope the same for us I love the retreat and whistler I loved it the amount of applicants we're being sent we're not even investing I love it yeah I mean I literally couldn't stop watching and I loved it so it's

little I had I had a writing rewrite to do I haven't done anything because all I want to do is watch your show I loved it I loved it I loved it it's really good you guys did a really good job people are loving it more and bought it up independently she was like if you're not watching

age of a track yet I was like excuse me that only my watching I'm going on a marwin neck and then

you called and she was like oh and then she was bummed that she couldn't come to that I will have to get her back did you did you like that scene when Leon trees I got into it oh and I'm I'm just smiling I kind of like okay let's hear it I don't like when people apply their rules to you I'm like okay when I went on the bachelor and then people came up from like you know how this works I was

“like nobody handed me a rulebook yeah nobody said these are the rules you have to follow I said”

I signed up and walked on and I was like and I have to take this shit home so when people are I don't I don't like when people apply their version of what you're supposed to do to your life I because I'm like you have a different situation she's trying to allow her kids to get to know him at at the rate in which she did and she has every right to do that like I just I did not like that for that reason but that's coming from my personal experience that's a great point and I think

yeah I think there's a little bit of Leah thinking this is what we're supposed to do and like reality be there's there's guidelines there's not rules I wish you could have taken back the the head chop and motion but I don't I yeah it was I do think Leah made a good point though because it's like listen if your kids are that important to how you're going to feel about this relationship yeah then like before you go get really into this relationship if they're going to

impact how you feel about it shouldn't they know or shouldn't you know how they're going to feel but I think she also said she was like the whole point is that like we're not ashamed of this I'm not

“ashamed you don't know this the person next to you isn't ashamed I think that's what's interesting”

about it is that she might carry shame as a woman being 27 or whatever it is years older yeah and that's her experience and like it's interesting to explore that and it's interesting that it came out whether it's shame or something else but I'm like I don't I didn't I was like I was not ashamed dating each and you're so I didn't care at all I love that I know that there's certain people when I'm with them they call my cells down like that who when I'm just

next to them in the same room there's certain people that just make my cells feel good and it I don't it doesn't you know I'm dating somebody older than me now that no matter that who just makes my cells feel good like and that's just you don't mean it's like I don't know I'm just trying to picture someone under dating up saying to someone else saying you make my cells feel good I feel like you would have that like you make myself feel good looking for someone

regenerate my cells like regulates my nervousness who I just feel like calm grounding yeah ground I like so so right now I'm dating somebody who I feel my cells feel calm well up next we have Chris for the age of attraction to get his answers on everything about the show but

“ultimately why he did not end his journey with relationship with Leah and I think it will be”

a great lead into our reunion that drops next one. Chris welcome what's up okay it's good to see you how are you man I'm awesome it's so first of all thanks for having me it's been some time it's pretty surreal to be sitting here and talking about it and going back over it obviously feeling super blessed a lot of emotions nervous excited but I think more than anything is just realizing

you know how what an opportunity does to number one show something that's never been shown before

right like in a way we all talk about this age matter doesn't now we proved it like doesn't matter not I think we're showing in I hope that does show it but yeah and then also to see to everybody again I'm so excited to just catch up you know so what I'm curious like what made you say yes to this experience okay so what made me say yes to this experience is because I always told myself that if I'm going to come out I want to leave everything on the table no matter what I'm

doing and when it comes to a dating show I was always weary of doing any dating show not to say that I had the choice but no matter what you know there's a stigma that comes with dating shows and and when I saw this house like this could be something different I think it will be something different

“I don't want to use the word high class but that's what it seemed like to me a high class dating”

show a show where it really is about relationships and showing the best self of each other and

you know I've said this many times I always say clarity comes from commitment and it's like how do you

get clarity on if age matters or not without testing it I've had relationships with women that are older and vice versa but for the most part you know serious relationships in mind have been with older women and I kind of wanted to test well how far is that age gap how much of a gap matters or not and do you feel like you got that answer yeah I do think I got that answer I think that like I said this on my first interview I was like it's this analogy that I've heard so many times it's like

don't leave your hand under a faucet without turning the knob and then even worse to walk away and say the water doesn't work you know so it's like don't leave without just trying everything and when they reached out to me for this I was like I believe this show is made for me I'm 26 years old so many times people think I'm in my mid 30s and I generally have to carry myself I think a little

“bit older in business and I didn't want to do that on the show so that's why I came out”

dressed how I would dress if I'm going out to a bar you know and just like treating people the way that I treat people at home and I think it was pretty clear that I gave that young vibe I wanted to be honest and I give that vibe I didn't want to give the business vibe I'm whatever which was interesting because I think people caught on to my age pretty quick which was quicker than I expected but I do think I got that answer honestly and I think that you know you had people guess here age

early on the process that is your age my age range I think they kind of knew what was going on and what made you did you learn anything from that because you know I think younger people tend to say things like I'm mature for my age and then older people will you know you're not definitely sure not sure maybe but all you know but older people I say but I have a I have a youthful spirit you know and we we kind of self advertise and vice versa yeah I'm an old soul but it's interesting

that you you know you were immersed in this group of 40 people all different ages and that you didn't surprise people as much as you think that that was shocking to me but okay half and half because I think that generally which was a blessing in it of itself the men really created a good bond I think the women did within the other as well I mean friendship we came off the show and I have three or four best friends I could even say you know that I could reach out to at any time and

I think because of that you know I think guys will catch on a little bit faster maybe not as far as the girls go but I will say I think Leah caught on to my age pretty quickly I will say I think she did I don't know about everybody else but I'm pretty sure she did and I think that was part of me just being that goofy open how old did you think Leah was I if I had to put a number on it I would said 36 okay I could say she looks down to even 33 34 which I was saying that the more time I

spent with her I was like I started adding a year adding a year adding a year I was like okay I landed on 36 41 it was definitely a little bit of a shocker no question well you had a you kind of

felt things out with Vanessa first that ultimately didn't work why did that not work for you

well I don't want to I couldn't give such a clear examples like why me and Vanessa didn't work when me and Vanessa connected we were like okay this is a connection but at the same time I don't know how deep this is in a way it was like self-explanatory I don't think we had to tell each other that

an awesome morning date at the coffee and then we went into this mixer which was the biggest

“the biggest day of the whole I think I mean I think that mixer changed everything for everybody”

that first mixer and I walked in you know I didn't want to put pressure on Vanessa to talk to me I that's the last thing I wanted to do I didn't want her to feel like she has to talk to me I was you know looking forward to having more conversation but at the same time I was like well I want to talk to the people and I think she does too so I went into it with that mindset

within 15 minutes of talking to everybody like I always do I look I see Vanessa talking to

someone I'm like okay I'm gonna do my own thing you know get pulled out talk for a little bit have a quick interview come back in and I'm like everybody's paired up everybody's one I want right now I feel like I'm doing looser laps I regard in my am I. So I'm doing a looser lap or two walking around seeing if I can get someone to attention you know at this point I don't want to jump in see if anyone looks at me you know and I see and I just walking by I see Leo standing there

hadn't had a conversation yet besides just looking at each other and just immediately started talking as if we've known each other forever she started talking to me I pay this is whatever maybe 10 minutes in I forgot who came up to us and might have been Tiffany was somebody came up to us walked over and Lee is like stop this is my man like jokingly obviously but like this is my man get away you know five minutes into the targeted I just thought it was funny it was cool it was

“comfortable immediately I felt comfortable and then honestly I mean that changed the whole dynamic”

of the show for me because it was two things number one I didn't want any ready to feel disrespected I think that this isn't a typical dating show where you just like try everybody or talk to everybody kiss everybody and see who's the best kiss right like so that was part of it I didn't want anyone to feel disrespected but at the same time I wanted to give my all to this right so like at this point taking it back to that second I was thinking to myself well do I just

keep talking to other people might you do that this entire show am I going to at least commit to something you know so a few days went by obviously had to meet I mean that zip line date I think was a

game changer for us was a beautiful moment we had a beautiful conversation and then the

conversations about moving in together that was that was the biggest thing for me because I wanted somebody that I felt comfortable moving in with obviously going into the show I hadn't had a relationship or a serious relationship and a while and I wasn't really wanting to be open about the sexual side of things but it came up early and I was like whatever I got to be open with it like I've been celibate for about two years going into the show so then moving in with someone was creating

a lot of anxiety for me with someone that I wasn't comfortable with you know so be able to have somebody be pretty like she brought it up before I did what's just like hey when we move in together let's not like this isn't about sex you know I mean like if that happens down the line that happens but this is let's put these borders here so that we can get to there what's your definition so obviously my definition of celibacy is not having sex but everything else obviously okay everything

else leads to sex you know what I mean when it comes to you start you start you put a line where you want to put it and I think if you start playing with that line too much you're going to cross it I was pretty good about not playing with that line too much for sure and then what was your reason for making that decision the biggest reason for making my decision on celibacy is my faith I

“am a believer I do believe in the Bible and I think that it's important to I believe sex is sacred”

there's no question but taking a step further I am very health conscious I do live in Miami I know how easy it is to catch something and I'm not trying to do any of that and all seriousness I look towards my future I look towards my possible future wife future relationship and it's like I don't want any decision I make now to affect my future kids negatively to affect my future wife negatively so I just think about that a lot I mean if there's one reason it's to why I've been

celibate is because I'm an overthinker like an extreme overthinker but you know here we are and it's been a while since then but you know we're doing okay when Leah brought up you being good at massaging and asking if you had done that with other people you said no knowing that you did have a moment with Vanessa you might have been robbing our shoulders there's definitely a shoulder room there's a shoulder room there's a shoulder room there's a shoulder room there might have been

like I'm really good at this like you're a patient this is my thing right yeah why not why not be upfront about it so one of the like most awkward slash funny moments of the season for me when I'm sitting there and she's looking up and I'm giving her a massage it's like 20 minutes in she looks and she's like you're good at this I was like yeah thank you so much and she's like what was the last time you gave a girl massage I was like looked over and I'm like oh my god

dude is this the time for this right it's her birthday it's literally her birthday right now don't say we're happy birthday in 20 minutes you know I'm like come on so played it off just not wanting to deal with that in that moment 20 seconds later you didn't answer the question what was last time you gave a girl massage and honestly I think I just played it off again because I just took say in that moment right then and there while she's on the massage table closing her eyes

relaxed with all this euphoria and eucalyptus oil and all this stuff and I'm like well yeah actually

I'm a massage of Vanessa four days ago in the in the hot tub right before we kissed for the first time

I mean like what was the last time you gave a girl massage I didn't say I haven't given a girl

massage I just didn't answer the question you know and time place I know that that's a little bit off but what's the alternative saying that and then just creating a big scene on her birthday in that moment it wasn't to be honest nobody knows this but I went into the morning that morning ready to have a conversation with Leah and talk about kind of all that just lay everything on the table because it wasn't that serious and I wasn't sure if the other girls had told her about

that I mean it was it was a scene it was a day and it was over but just had a respect let her know I get to you know set and I see the entire all the girls singing her happy birthday and I'm like oh my gosh there's no way that it's the day like a big part of obviously we'll get to you know your your final decision to end the relationship with Leah but throughout the process you guys not being on the same page when it came to like quality time or how much time you guys spent together

or vice versa seem to be a point of of disconnection between the two of you I just would love to hear like how you interpreted that situation looking back at when that was going on yeah that's that's

“that was one of the things that looking back I believe that there's no question I wasn't at my”

best after moving in together lack of sleep it's the first time I'd ever live with anybody you know

by week two I started trying to sleep on the couch just to get rest not even because we were fighting or anything but literally just because I couldn't sleep you moved yourself to the couch yeah was she like hogged in the covers or snoring or not even that deep but like you know obviously you know everybody wants to cuddle before sleep and I'm just like I mean I run hot to start with that and the number two it's it's already a somewhat uncomfortable situation in the sense of like

let's let's be honest we're trying to set a border here and put a line and then all of a sudden in some middle of the night after two bottles of wine and we're cuddling a bed like where where is that going right so that not the best the reason but there's adds it adds it adds it adds and then in those extra moments I wanted to go to the gym I wanted to be healthy I wanted to show her what a healthy light like this is the lifestyle this is my routine at home and I kind of wanted to show her as best as I could

and looking back maybe that was a mistake but I wanted to show her as best I could what my routine is at home and what my day-to-day is and it's very hard to do that in a setting that's kind of just been like yo back at home I go to the gym well well you want to take it even further like I was exhausted I did was exhausted I didn't want to take those extra three hours I would rather take those extra three hours to get that shitty workout that I was getting in and try to like get some food you know

Leo were to say or maybe some of the fan responses were took that as you just a sign that you maybe weren't just into her and kind of a way of avoiding having that quality having a quality time with you. I wouldn't agree with it but I also think that as we got towards the last week or two weeks I started to distance myself because I was struggling I was thinking a lot it's very clear that there was moments that weren't great you know and I mean moments that

I broke down more than I've been in years and everyone's going to see that or have seen that already

“so I think that part of it was me being a little hypocritical because I talked so much about”

being vulnerable and how important it is to be vulnerable and if you want a growing relationship you got to be vulnerable you got to be open and I think that I was trying to hide a little bit of how much I was actually struggling mentally with it just because I you know I didn't know what to I didn't want to tell her hey it's not that I don't want to hang out with you but if we're going to hang out like can we just we had those conversations but can we just do this now you know let's go

let's go to the gym well we can't go to the gym together because there's no cameras in there we got to go one by one you know so now it's a problem to go to the gym or now it's a problem to spend too much time in the bathroom or things like that because we don't have that much time together you know so like in her defense I think that things that I was complaining about such as her being on my ass because I took a 20 minute shower looking back now it's like well because we

didn't have that much quality time together me extending those things probably bothered her more than I need to so I get that for sure we knew you think back in your past relationships how what is the quality time look like in those well that's the thing that's why I thought about this situation with Lea Lawn I was like let's be honest with ourselves here because in a true relationship where you're in love with somebody you kind of want to spend every moment with them and

that's up there's no question about it that looking in that moment asking myself the same question

why didn't you want to go even more whatever it is every second of the day spend time with each other

rather I was finding myself at the end of the night saying hey Lea like if you don't mind you know I kind of need a 30 minute to myself here I need to read or I need to watch it just because I need a moment to breathe you know I didn't like that because I found myself getting a little overwhelmed and I didn't want her to see that but yeah I don't think that that's healthy in a in a positive

“relationship I think that you should want to spend as much time together as you can that being said”

the more you get to know each other you communicate you understand each other more you know what each you know you know what you like you know you don't like you know what's important you know that maybe once a week that's his thing to do every day and he needs that or she needs this every day

question I mean listen I'm an introverted guy I'm good at being alone yeah but like yeah when you're

when you're married and you you have one kid and we work together I mean I I spend every second

and I'm still like with my wife let me get into your stand we're not close enough it's how it should be though and it's like if I can get 10 minutes in the car a day okay let's roll out you know you know you know I hear you you listen you'll you'll find your own path but I am curious ultimately obviously you decided not to move forward with pursuing relationship with Leah and and see you know kind of suggested that at the end of the

day you're a lovely guy you're a nice guy but maybe you do have some maturing to do

“what do you think of that feedback I think it's fair there's no question I think that I”

can be very mature in certain things you know I had a lot thrown on the early business family friends all these things I think that in my home I'm a centerpiece for a lot of men but at the same time none of these men have ever seen me in a relationship you know so I think that that changes everything I think that in a relationship you're prioritizing your woman and she's coming over and then there's 20 guys playing basketball side there's 10 guys on a form of the one simulator there's 10

guys working out you know that's not a normal situation for anybody that's part of it and the number two there's no question that maturity in relationships is different I think in maturity in our day-to-day in business in life you know and I'm a little inexperienced in that for sure I've only had one serious long-term relationship and that came out of high school you know so to go from that to then you know have small relationships where like I said with a lot usually with older women

“so that's why I came into this and said I want to test this I want to make I want to go into this”

with everything and try to find some these areas if it's there and and see does age matter or not and I think that I think I found that answer there's no question about it I think that that also created a pressure for us that that wasn't necessarily natural but I'm still happy with it with how when and I'm also happy with how me and leave communicated afterwards there's there's no question at least we've been able to stay cordial at least keep in touch you know before coming here I wasn't

uncomfortable to give her a call and vice versa so I thought that was cool so let's see hopefully we can keep that you know somewhat a friendship a nice thing you know even in relationships that don't work out they often if we want to it can teach us something what did your relationship with Leah teach you I think that there's so much so much I learned so much from the entire experience but specifically what I learned from my relationship my situation with Leah was I do have some

trying to do relationship wise but also vulnerability vulnerability openness communication is so important as long as we keep you know the respect to the other person number one the respect to the other person the respect to the people around us I think that that's like the biggest deal breaker for me when it comes to relationship how do we respect the people around us how do you respect the people that are serving us you know things like this um those are the things that you don't really have to

talk about they just happen and I learned that I can lead by example by being a servant leader by by showing other people what it is to be a leader I also think that constantly we talk about success and success and success and it's like really we make the definition of success ourselves but constantly

“I'm trying to compare success to what the world thinks success is and I think that that's the same”

thing in a relationship like we compare our relationship to another because that relationship is successful you know rather than understanding like we've all been through things everybody on this cast has a story

but the truth is is that what we've been through doesn't determine the ceiling what is possible

in our lives same thing in our relationships so I think that when it comes to Leah I've realized maybe age gap this big doesn't work for me but at the same time I need to be better here here and here so that I can show all myself and same vice versa and then if it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't I I don't want to waste anybody's time either but it's like it takes time to get to know somebody too it's hard I don't know what do you think it takes time to get to know somebody

but the same time how do you get to know somebody quickly you know you're spending all day with somebody that you kind of just met and it's like a sped-run relationship and a year you're doing it in a month well I mean I guess yeah I just I guess your question made me think of another question but it's like what's different about the show yeah is like say unlike a love is blind or like the batch there where there's like hey yo like I don't even get engaged or love is like yeah you gotta get married

like as you know like it was like do you want to keep trying or not like there was no like and however you guys try was entirely up to you guys you guys could have done long distance someone you

know there's discussions of moving but ultimately you decided with Leah that you just didn't

you wanted to end it so why did you come to that decision without you know being open to slowing

yeah so going back to pace and how I was saying how I think the things felt a little

sped-run almost unnatural we both want children and that's a conversation we had pretty early

“and I think that there was a little bit of I don't want to use the word delusion but a little”

bit of a thought of like hey we got plenty of time to think about that we do but as soon as we moved into it with each other not that it was a conversation but it felt like there was an unnatural pressure to get to know each other way faster than normal to get past these things that almost get past the honeymoon phase it felt like we went to the honeymoon phase to the get you know the other all that in in a week you know I don't think that was natural I also think that you know

obviously she wanted a man that's successful that can take care of her and her family and that's family values right that being said is that gonna happen next year or is that gonna happen for years from now you know I'm 27 now the show aired when I was 26 and I do feel like I'm ready to have a family but at the same time just saying that makes me feel like I'm not really the family you know I mean like who am I to say that you know it's an interesting point of you I mean

if what I'm hearing could be wrong but like since you said that because I talked to a lot of

women about dating and I always hear things you know like the women I'll talk to us for advice

those things like yeah he says he wants to have kids someday yeah and I'm always like what is someday right now like what sure great yeah you know and listen like it's you're right you

“we have to meet people we have to get to know them but yeah I think the devils and the details”

between it sounded like hearing you talk about this is like you you the idea of being a father and a husband someday sounds great and you know that it's a personal goal and you want to do that but it doesn't it sounds like you are patient when it comes to getting there and not that other people are less patient but like you know it comes down to a tensionality you know I think there's a lot of people who can go on the show or just in life and just you know just be very

intentional yeah it takes time to get to know people but using this experience like like Leo

you know she's like listen we don't have her phones we don't have her to use it don't have her friends so like we have each other so let's hang out and you're like I'm going to the gym we got time to get to know each other you know and so like that was kind of you demonstrating your pace when it comes to like wanting to connect and not to move out even saying anything just yeah and yeah and and I think there's not one's not wrong but it just it does it it can

demonstrate where two people are with their intentionality in terms of like how much they are actually serious about like moving a relationship into a reaction that would result in a bigger commitment or something as serious as having kids so yeah it's very true it's kind of funny because it's like we were saying you say one thing and it's not that the actions don't follow because it's not it's not saying I don't want kids but just the way that I'm producing the way that I'm living

it's okay well if it comes in three years from now it's also okay it comes for five years now it's

“also okay but it comes tomorrow it's also okay you know I think that maybe that's what you're saying”

right that's where I was and she's kind of come out well I don't have five years we don't have five years to think about that right so I think that for sure there was a pressure there I don't want to keep surrounding the kids also living moving I she was open to moving to Miami she didn't prefer it you know but I going into it I was like I'm open to relocating kind of halfway through the more that I thought about it the more I realized how much I'm leaving at home my father's 77 now he's

you know not doing well at all so if I'm gonna spend the last few years away from him that's kind of ridiculous and I just started thinking about that a lot out there so that was another factor as well I think that there's no question I can't deny that but I went into it thinking age doesn't matter and I think I came out realizing it definitely does now I'm not saying it's a deal breaker whether you're older a younger but age matters there's there there's a lot that

comes with that you know and I think that for me being with a woman 15 years older does put it an unnecessary pressure on me because I am kind of that I've already played that role for my family of like provider or whatever and to do that to a level that's times 100 right now well it seemed like dating someone like Leah and what she brings the table and she seems to be very like self-aware about what she wants and what she brings that like again it seemed like it

helped you understand kind of where you're not at in terms of like advancing your life again like the you're you know you're supporting your family that's very noble and awesome sounds like you're very grounded and and doing well for yourself on a professional level but like on the romantic level the idea of it almost sounds like you're it's you're almost kind of comfortable with that rather than you know you know and like wanting to be like that's super fair that's super fair I think

in the best just brought everything out of me and I think that I've learned so going back to your

“question what do I learn I think I've learned I feel like I grew years in relationships in just a”

few days to be honest with you because because of what you said where am I short where do I need to improve on and then also do I want just the idea of love or do I want love and that's a question that I started asking myself after and and I answered it with I do want love you know let's let's let's not go and say okay because this doesn't work out I can't be in a relationship right now I'm not ready for one you know because at the same time when I was 18 I thought I was ready for

reality TV and then when I was 27 I thought I was not ready right but it worked out now so it's kind of like I don't want to say I'm ready you're not ready but I do want to be the best version of myself and I think Leah definitely maybe in the moment it didn't seem like that but I think that afterwards those for sure a better version of me when it came to relationships is no question and that'll be shown that'll be seen soon I don't see that but I appreciate you answering all our questions thanks for having

me guys and thank you again as always thanks for being a part of this show yeah it's like

what I've what I've really enjoyed about this show is like this opportunity like these you know it didn't work out for you and Leah but hopefully was learning experience and like you said it worked for us it's not for everyone compatibility is the most important part in any relationship and obviously age differences in some relationships will highlight some incompatible aspects of

“two people and it seemed like that was the case with you and Leah I think so but thanks for being”

part of this and it's been great getting to know you but all right summer house where what are we think and what are we uh it's interesting that Andy Cohen was on record saying that this is the worst episode for Kyle out of 10 seasons and I was kind of like like this yeah he said this episode was gonna be his worst one where I was like there's also that scene of him like going for Carl calling him a china doll and like gonna fight him and I'm just like well that's definitely

worse than this you know what I mean well he does that's this is definitely worse than that he did call him and a fucking dumbass bitch yeah but did he also call her a fucking bitch last season yeah called her this several times oh I don't know it was a fucking dumbass bitch and not to in any way defend his behavior but I didn't I don't remember last time he called his wife the fucking bitch but he was noticeably a literant drunk this time oh he was a literant drunk last time was it yeah so I don't

“know if one was like you know little less I mean if you are sober it's definitely worse than”

being drunk and saying that both terrible and then also kind of like the precursor too where I was like last season he was calling her lazy and not dedicated not motivated and then topped it off with a fucking bitch this time she actually did absolutely nothing but a fuck you guys according to

black dot Kyle and Kyle says fuck you then tries to tell us she said fuck you first at the club

and it's just kind of like bro bro how do you watch this back and then he's like but she's not hanging out with me and it's like but what are you doing you're standing at your DJ set with nothing playing eating like a cold case of dia and it's like I don't want to stand in the sunroom with you right now I'm gonna go hang out with our friend I'm gonna dip my feet in the jacousey and have late my talk like after we've already done the dance party Kyle when he brought

that speaker out being like she's looking lift the boy god and then he's like swinging it I was like Kyle cook what the fuck are you doing you also don't get to say that you've been abandoned in your home when she's 10 feet away outside with your mutual friends yeah like yeah like uh I went outside for some fresh air I didn't abandon you and you were more than invited no one was like Kyle you stay here don't even think about coming out don't talk to Amanda Kyle like and then you come

outside and that's the energy you bring bro literally I have a question for you guys yeah how so Kyle talks a lot about lover boy obviously and kind of uses that as his reason that he's not the best version of himself right now right what do you think the line is of when you have stuff going on in your life but you're still taking that out on like great you know what I mean great question but before we get to that what I'm confused by that is like to your point like yeah

listen you know running a business is stressful it's a lot you know when you're feel like you're

responsible for a lot of people and he's like what I mean fast he's got like 200 million or something

and a lot of money I don't know yeah whatever it is it's it's I get that but then why are you DJ you know if your time is so it's like it's not though it's not though it's not though you know like that if all the things he could be doing as a famous public figure with a relationship with bravo and the marketing he's doing and like again I don't have all the solutions for Kyle but I just feel like just DJing and negotiating that lover boy is the drink of preference

wherever he drinks is like that's like a street game you know it's just like it's knocking on doors

director like why aren't there why aren't we seeing funny bits or like skits or like ads try something

they were like yeah like I just feel like a lot of it is rely on some collaborations with like already successful brands they did one with boys lie which like promoted their dirty Shirley drinks but it's like again I feel like everybody in today's in last night's episode was all wearing the low boys lie merch from that collaboration but they were supporting it it's really nice actually like really like serious uh certainly she had the shirt

Amanda was wearing a set and then you had a linsey in the sweatpants and like really cute they're very supportive and so it's just kind of like I don't understand why or like the team mobile commercials that are using linsey right now like it's like why wouldn't you be trying

to get some sort of national spot or syndicated ad on Instagram bravo loves to synergize you know

what I mean like I'm just I'm just I'm just very confused but he chose to do to just different clarity on that lover boy I don't know the relationship bravo I mean Kyle cooked specifically like I feel like Kyle could be no I know but we are getting a little in the weeds but like like you know the team mobile is paying a lot of money that Kyle doesn't have but I'm I'm just saying in the same sense that like okay he feels entitled to them being allowed

“to promote other drink brands or whatever else it is that I'm like I think that you're a group”

of friends support you no matter what that if you're like hey I'm gonna throw together a bit would you show up I feel like these people that are already getting a paycheck to be here

happy to um just Jesse Solomon perfect example Jesse Solomon to advertise his tour

took um did like ads in their interviews with like the backdrop that they do for their separate interviews in summer house to make that a promotion for his tour so you think you're watching something that's gonna be an advertisement for summer house and then it ended up being like go see Jesse on tour so I'm like but but also like I get being stressed I get being like um grouchy irritable uh reactive I don't get calling your wife a fucking bitch when you're drunk

yeah I mean like you can be a dumbass you know like name calling I mean if you were just he's name calling yeah you know it's there's a difference between being irritable and being like what the fuck or whatever and just grouchy with his employee but he's like he's his name calling I mean I know so like West and Ben both being able to be like nothing happened that was so one more into like Kyle what the fuck are you doing the fact that like I mean she's like sitting there

crying I mean it's just even West because like West itself identifies as conflict of hers he doesn't want to say anything and the fact that he did I mean good for him but it also speaks to like

“how it's honestly it sounds like it was worse in real time yeah I'm sorry but I feel like Sears the”

only one that's saying exactly what everybody else should be saying or they're like oh I can't believe that she would suggest such a thing but I'm like no I think that that's the smartest idea for what's going on you guys are together too much to the point where it's just like you guys don't enjoy being in each other's company it makes other people uncomfortable and you guys don't have enough apart time to really figure out like what you guys want in this relationship at one point

in time last year Amanda wanted kids and to move to the suburbs clearly does not want that this year with Kyle Kyle saying that she wasn't ready and all that stuff and now he's on tour every other weekend coming to a college near you like it's just I mean I don't know about you guys but do you ever just get like when you're watching Kyle just be like I'm a victim you know like he's but it is it is coming from a place at least he believes that point of view when they're showing

the like nagging or the sides that he was like talking about how like Amanda does these little side comments whatever the badgering and they and they play on it was like well when she did recap the why you became a DJ like that was accurate like that is what happened really and then when you blared music out of a speaker and he said I'm just and she said you're testing my

“patience like also valid like these are things that like you should feel like warrants you to”

call her a dumbass bitch I know Kyle's not going to come on this show and walk us through his feelings but I genuinely want to know it's just like clearly you have a point of view that you feel no one understands so can we just like take the time and try to understand it because it just sounds like because I think we all agree we hear the same thing where he just I I guess he just wants unlimited support and cheerleading from his wife regardless of what he wants to

do and it doesn't like it's like you you're a 40 you know you're you're not you're you're just doing whatever you want and you're expecting your wife to just be by your side regardless and you it doesn't

their especially as a man but like to Amanda's point him becoming a DJ it's just like I don't remember the last time Amanda's been like yo I want to do this I want some support I mean they're living too long and he ruined the entire day yes he did he's basically like you self is bitch for having dream don't you know I'm a half you know it's always I'm a half a

million dollars and I have a million dollars in that and I've always had sympathy for him in the

sense of like starting a company granted you know he's got a finance background he starts this company but again he started an alcohol company because he was a heavy drinker and Amanda was like can you stop drinking so much and he's like well it's my business so it's like here we go again with a DJ and then it's like in his mind he's always wanted to be a DJ but it's like you didn't feel that you couldn't pursue that dream just out of nothing the fact that you can be a DJ today

is based off of the 10 seasons and 11 seasons of support that you've gotten off of summer house that people will show up because guess what they're most likely going to see a Jessie and Amanda a West as somebody else as well they're not just coming for Kyle Cook's DJ set they're the whole casters most of them show up but not like when he's like traveling but like um a lot of the times are just Amanda's you know like but people would be at his shows in different cities and what

not so it's like it's not like they don't show up and support him but I've always I've always like

backed him up because I'm like I can couldn't imagine how stressful it would be to be like the numbers guy and kind of be the head of everything however like you know his company has expanded if you're struggling and you've been struggling with this debt like I don't understand like who who are you not talking to business manager accountants whoever that I'm like you continue to slip into debt and make it everybody else's problem and everyone else's fault so Kyle's allowed

to be an asshole because no one understands his stress but you've been under the same stress for the last five six seven years we've got an action plan you know what I mean or like a solution or sell the company or whatever it may be but I'm like you that you have no solve but yet you somehow blame Amanda for everything that's wrong with you and then everything that's right for you now is

“DJing that I'm like okay maybe you should be on your own yeah Nick I do kind of her I attempt to”

empathize with him a little bit and try to understand like and I think what Kyle tries to say is

that he doesn't feel heard the problem is his reaction to everything else's 10 times worse and like

you can't even empathize with someone who's treating other people that way well that's very true yep it's like he stopped listening but he still doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense when he tries to explain him like in his interviews when he's like trying where you would think he's bones over he's like a clear head and he's explaining you're still kind of like yeah you know I don't see it but I mean I guess I mean again we get everyone acknowledges when you're stressed and

there's a way down his shoulders but he is doing we're watching a mega TV show I mean we watch him party Thursday through Sunday I understand it's a job but did here Ben be like she does nag and like purposefully get under everything because it's not her enough though we'll make that judgment but it's a lot about the two and a way that's like you know maybe I'm still not a power to close that's been the bottle thing yeah and again two baby points that

like if Jesse makes a lighthearted joke everyone says it's okay Bailey says one okay put her foot in her mouth moment and everyone was like how fucking dare you just she he says no married people are included like you are making out with me people just because up and wants to be able to make out the married people there's only one married person on this fucking cast do you think that Bailey is an asshole do you guys think maybe this is a conspiracy theory I think they're probably just clocking

a vibe between Ben and Amanda regardless of like they're not gonna do anything about it but

“she actually looks happy yeah and I think that's what's out I think Kyle's clocking that too and he's”

like what the fuck she doesn't want to hang out with me yeah I think he's jealous and he's like not acknowledging that but but back to his stress about the business what are these people on this cast and Amanda supposed to do about it exactly they don't work for him not love her but like even if he was stressed about summer house like I guess they're all on summer house so they could relate but like love her boy has nothing to do when he's mad he's like all he says is he wants

Amanda to like hang out with him but also like what are they doing I don't know what now and I were doing if we were like married on the cast of summer house but I you know and I love spending I recently spent all our time together but like if we were at a party house I don't I wouldn't be like you you have to follow me I'm also like he's not like he's not even fun to hang out with his thoughts not even like you are funny you're not a dick and mean and like not you know like

Kyle is when he's like kind of a superhero drink she's like are you gonna be nice to me this

“weekend like if you have to ask your husband that question we have problems there's one”

person who thinks I'm nice that's nice I just can't believe it's just like Kyle's vibes are

know Kyle seems like the kind of person because he kind of reminds me of like one of my friends that

I know that he's a kind of guy that like when he's in a bad mood or something's going on with him you can just feel it you know those kinds of people and Kyle gives that to me through the screen so I can't imagine in real life I'd it's like yeah if you're being grumpy and being a little bit known's gonna want to know what's interesting is like he to some degree sometimes Kyle is like self-corrected where he just doesn't say anything and you tell he wants to say something but

then it doesn't help because when he says something it's like all of the energy exuding at the same time yeah and it's also in his talking head he was even like I feel like I'm the worst version of myself this time and it's like okay are you gonna try to fix it but DJ saved his life DJ

DJing is the happiest thing he said like I can't even articulate how I feel and I'm just like

hello you've repeatedly if you watch this season from the beginning Kyle your biggest problem communication and understanding and listening yeah because I'm like at the end of the day you're talking to your friends about Amanda's behavior and everything that pisses you off apparently calling her mom to complain your apartment but you're not telling Amanda so Amanda's over here singing your praises not knowing that you're constantly talking shit and she has no problem talking

shit to your face if she's got an issue with you then it's like oh nobody understands me nobody knows what I'm going through are you telling people what you're going through so that they can understand you or are you just like nobody understands I'm in debt so I should be allowed to

“party because that's what I see I'm not seeing conversations that are productive even when they're”

in their apartment when she was like what's going on with this DJing career like why don't you sit her down and be like hey I have a series plan as to like how this is gonna better love her boy and like why I could understand that you're concerned but like you know why she's concerned and instead of using those concerns because you have a functioning relationship you want to blame anything that's dysfunctional about your relationship on Amanda and when you're the one that has

a problem with communicating and articulating how you feel or what you're going through and everyone also just supposed to fucking have kitty gloves with you. I was just like a random thought you know I don't I don't maybe this is a a secret genius marketing play but constantly complaining and I don't know how well love is going doing in reality but Kyle makes it sound like it's in the fucking trash six months he said six months so he made again I didn't know he says a lot of things

that you know is someone who has at least a little bit about business like sometimes I can tell if he says like giving you like generic business talk lines that sound important but I don't really know what they mean. Do you think he's trying to like be like it's doing so bad it's doing

“so bad I'm so stressed that people are like well that's what I'm wondering but at the same time”

that doesn't make you want to buy something that's like it's what I've said all along that this lover boy is crashing because of the way that you treat your wife yeah your friends on this national television show that you are off. Yeah especially with the name lover boy you know not give lover boy. No if anything give that to fucking like I said just he saw a DJ DJ in the corner yelling at his friends because they don't want to listen to his DJ set. Yeah and then he wants to sell his

flowery little drinks it just doesn't mind. I don't. I haven't laughed as hard as I did until I

saw Sierra and her big ol. Your big ol bitis. Yeah. That was I mean karma Brown first from a

breath just like in the mirror in her room talking to herself. Which is so funny. Which he was like I'm so funny. Yeah. Now when she's going down backwards on the stairs at the walker and my life. The fact that she you didn't realize why she was walking down the stairs that way but she was like she would have fell forward. It was a real feel. It was awesome. She is so Sierra really I don't think Sierra gets enough credit for how fucking funny she is.

“She told her a DJ she needed to go to paint her titties. She's like sorry. What? Like I think we all were”

like confused. And the second we saw her titties were like no she hasn't got to go back and that's probably took a while. Yeah. You're pretty big costume queen. Yeah and then also she gave KJ some like really sweet good advice. You know? Just like. Which seemed like Lindsay's really just there to start. Lindsay's a reality. Perfect. You start and I don't want to hear other why. Yeah. I need her Madison Lookroy. These are people that literally know how to stir the pot just in the right way

and they can literally leave. They can leave and they're like steam. She's like yeah I don't know why she was in there with Ben for an hour but anyway. Oh you didn't know? Oh no. Oh my god. She's like I literally wouldn't have changed. I mean and her version of the story was very believable. I'm pretty positive we watched that happen. Yeah. I was like I didn't see a scene of them in his room. Yeah and she literally went to go change. Her suitcase was in there. It came out and then

he was like flirting with her trying to get her number. You know what's funny. I think Lindsay and Bailey represent like season reality TV out of stirring the pot and then like knew be like she's doing

land at the end of it so she's gonna move on. And then but you now have Bailey who like this is gonna be the rest of her season is her drama with Dara because Dara. All right with her drama with Dara because of what Lindsay said. So is it? I'm just kidding. Is Jesse singing and is he making like he's not he's not DJing right? He's up there. He's just the singer. He's a musician. He writes music.

“He writes songs about every girl he meets. His lower third says. Yeah. Have we seen her performance?”

I mean he sung a song about dinner. He sang a song about dinner. He said it very nice. He did. No, he had a show last year that a bunch of people went to in New York City where he does his originals and then maybe covers like a senatra or a buble. He's a senatra? That he's a cruner. He's a yeah. He's not a he's like a Michael bubleed type genre. He's not a okay. I don't know if it's a fact on Michael who play and I'm Frank Sinna. I know actually

I'm people are gonna come for me in the comments. He said he was of that genre. He does have a lower

voice. He can like reach. Remember when he first came on his own? I just need you. I'm gonna play.

I'm gonna play it work. I'm gonna play it for everybody. We are gonna cut us listening to it because of copyright reasons, but we're gonna play it just he's home. It's okay. It's home but it's R&B though. I've heard one of them. Is this the new one? This is Jesse's home. Yep. That's not bad. He's getting streams. That had 85,000. That's a lot. Yeah. That's not bad. He

probably made a whole 10 dollars. I only was in 10 seconds, but it was better than I was expecting.

“I'm keeping my mouth shut. I wish I could just listen to all of his music. I feel like honestly”

that is what you sound like when you try to sing. Do you think so? I do. Can I start a music? Nick, going on tour. Next summer. Oh my god. You asked for that. You thought Kyle? Cook was a good DJ. Did there a boy? Point the song where he really goes for it? Like really hit the note. I don't know. That's the first time I've ever listened to it. What else is it? Is it because he's a real ITV star that you don't know? It is because this

started off of just like a cute little moment on the show where he just like, and sang for his ears and they were all like, "Oh cute!" Everyone was like, "Oh my god, this is such a moment."

So funny and he was like, "Okay, I guess I'll win a Grammy." I've always been a little good at art.

I've had seasons of being artistic. I think it's feeling sensitive because of his paintings.

“Chuck, don't you? No. I think it's far as a real ITV star where I think we're never for example,”

and I get it different. It's real ITV, but I remember being crucified for trying not very well, but trying to have a little bit of a fashion taste. And you realize that this is not the time to take fashion. This is not the time to go like your scarf moments. Scarves are the bracelets and you know, like whatever. Just like, just trying. You know, I did tell them that recently that when I first started working here I was scared of him and then I saw a picture of him from his

bachelor at the season wearing a little infinity scarf and I went, "Oh, he's like a person." That's all I needed to see. That's all I needed to see. And I guess what if I was like, what if I just, you know, also was like wanted to really lean into the art and be like a professional sidewalk chart artist. You shown a sidewalk chalk artist. Okay, what if I got back into my oil paintings and I saw those paintings? Yeah, that's a good point. Selling the paintings. It's like,

okay, someone wants to buy a painting. Sure someone buy a painting. Like, that's a great thing. But if you're like, "Hey guys, I'm going to sell a live show to watch me do child drawing

in the backyard." And like, "Oh, that's not something to watch." I mean, that's basically what

he's doing. Oh, he's playing music. It's more like, that's something people normally go to. Realizing music in the background. Yeah, you know, like, like, especially the boys. Like, the women are on the gram, you know, selling the products. Yeah, the boys, the boys, it's harder for them to do. But what they can do is show up to bars because the ladies want to meet the boys. I feel like Amanda Francis and Jesse Solomon are the same person. And I do feel

like they are both just like a little allegedly SCAMME RSS. And maybe like they're counting us at home. Don't come for my girl. When Amanda describes her, like, they clearly, whether not married anymore. But she was like, "I'm an old woman at heart." She was like, "I would love to go to the side." Yeah. And I got in socks. That's, that's real fun. It's like, I want to freeze in time as an 18 year old. Yeah. And that's, that's, that's this married couple. And Amanda just

wants like a nice good dinner with her husband that she loves. Yeah. Yeah. But he doesn't even have to

but Amanda more so. Go out more than she ever has any summer. Yeah. And it's just like,

and again, yet you're still finding things to pick at her. Oh, you're being filled with my friends, but not with me. Mary, it's all group. Last episode, man, was up to 4am. I'm saying she was up until two. Yeah. This time, like, it's like she's hurting and commenting. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Setting up. Sorry. I said, "Virgo, this one really got me." But like, when Amanda asked for help, and no one got up. And no one got up. And they were still, and they're sitting there gossiping about her

marriage. I was like, I love y'all. I love y'all. Get the fuck up. She's getting poked in the face, setting up, and you guys are, oh, there's still so bad for her. Because last night, she got pissed up and helped the girl that's getting pissed out, setting up trees by herself. For her husband, that cast her out. Oh, that pissed me off so bad. She got that cardier watch. What do you think?

“She got him a party. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what you better be about it. That may about it, glam.”

90-minute glam. You got to get in that chair right now. Yeah. I, I, I almost sided with Amanda. I'm Beverly Hills housewife. That's here. I mean, they said those said she was Pinocchio. And then

act up like she never said it. Literally. Yeah. And then Natalie, sorry. Like, I get that you're

not a housewife, and maybe you're just like uncomfortable. But like the way that she absolutely shut down and clamped up. And was like, yeah, I don't know. I, I didn't say that. I just said. I just like, it wasn't that bad. Y'all should have just owned up to it. Listen, I also know that's going to I also think. Is it petty for sure? In my, in my defensive bows, I'm going to say that I think she said that it was literally was such a flippant comment and response. I meant nothing. That it meant nothing

to hurt her. That she didn't register that as like, oh, well, like, I really came for Amanda's jugular. And again, Amanda, you're one person away. If you're going to be direct and say it to her, be like, I'm sorry. What was that? Yeah. So that hurt Amanda's feelings and you can't like, yeah, but oh, I'm, but like, I, these are all valid points. And like, yeah, we're also on a TV show.

No, but the, in the TV show, what she should have done is I'm sorry. What? That was, did you just say my

name? Yeah. But oh, she heard it. She heard it. Yeah, she goes, she literally looks at those, looks back. They take a photo, whatever they're doing. That in her ITM, she's like, I'm literally one person away from you. I'm right next to you. And I heard it. And so that's where I'm just kind of like, yeah, I'm team bows then. I'm, I'm like, oh, I heard it. It was joke though. I heard it. I know it was. And it was a joke, but still, like, she felt some type of way. I don't think that.

And that's fine. I, Amanda wanted to feel some type of way. And I was, I'm actually going to, back up to read where I'm just like, yeah, Amanda does show up on these group situations. Like, already wounded, burnt. Like, you're not adding anything. Yeah, it's like, you're just like, this victim in this group. But then you're also saying, like, my life is perfect. He's also really everything. Yeah, I know her being like, what does she say? Over and over again, like, sorry,

my life is like, so great. And it is beautiful. And it is perfect. And they're all like, but it's not. And like, that's okay. No one's life is perfect. It's not a curiosity. What is not perfect about her life that these women want to make. I think she was in a real and be like, listen, like, my life isn't perfect. I do, I fight with my husband. My kids don't listen to me. My house can be a mess sometimes. Like, I was late on that on pain. My car insurance. Like,

just, but she's like, no, I'm perfect. And nothing is ever wrong in my life in my life. So great. And I make more money than my husband. And I can afford this. And I have a Chanel. Oh, you have one of those. I have to. That's what it is. She's just not being authentic in genuine with these women who, like, clearly are very open about the struggles that they go through.

“Yeah. And even the culture, that's what they said. That's where even Erica was like, I think”

the realist moment. And the best moment I've had with Amanda yet is hearing her talk about this quote, because it's something that really happened to her allegedly. And it's also something that, like, she was able to open up and talk about it. I guess we didn't really get to see the full picture of it. Because I was like, I don't really feel like from what we saw it felt very open. I don't like the way that they're treating the cold thing though. Like, I think it's like,

I shared it. And I think they're addressing it a way of like, well, now we're going to say that maybe that didn't actually happen. No, I just feel like they just believe it. I feel like they're wet. Yeah. They're kind of like they're, it's like they're weaponizing. What's like is dirty, the word called. And then it's like, yeah. And then asking chat GPT that may like, well, this must be truth. Yeah. That's that GPT. Yeah. That was true. I was proud of

sat in for being like, guys, what are you all doing? Yeah. Anti-drew is back. You know, I want to say, you know, this year is point. I think what some of the women on Beverly Hills may be recognizing Amanda and having issue with is like this like past East that she presents with

“versus like being a real person. Yeah. To them. Because I think like not to say she isn't, but Amanda”

seems to me like the kind of person that really has. She manifests. She left this like she was in this cold. She left. She had such a huge change in her life. And she had a virtually reinvent herself and create herself. And so I think what's happening is she's presenting just all of this artifice of this person. She's created of herself. This like money. What, what, what is she going to make? The money queen. Yeah. She's like, she's like, she's the money queen. When she's going on TV and

presenting herself to these women. And they're like, that's not you. That's the you you've created.

the egg is like, I wouldn't want to open up to a bunch of people who clearly hate my fucking God's grace for the record. You know, and who are like, tell us who you are. Tell us who you are. Tell

you, I'm playing. You came on Beverly Hills Housewives. There's the million, there's millions

of other people that are subarcing their show that are also asking who the fuck are you. Did you?

“Yeah. Yeah. But everyone else does comes on to promote her business. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying.”

When you come on these shows without having the, uh, the want to be authentic and like want to get to know these people and you want to promote your business, people aren't going to fuck with you because it's like it's just so obvious that it's fake or that you're not allowing people in that they're like, well, why, why, why would I? I think said she's very entertaining. She's the only she is. She did an interview where she said it's hard for me to watch back. Like the confessionals because

she didn't realize how much people actually hated her. Mm-hmm. I like the, just a bunch of other women. Yeah. And she's watching and like watching these confessionals of like the other women actually like talk behind her back for the first time and she didn't realize out, which is all the time. Also, who would it Kathy? I love Kathy. Oh, I love Kathy. Oh, yeah. Boot of Kathy. Oh, Boot of Kathy. Oh, Boot of Kathy. Boot of Kathy? No, Boot of Kathy.

Because she just came out of nowhere with wise information. The reason reports about Doree, find out for bankruptcy. How much do we know about that? Or is that to the side? I don't know. She answered that on what happens live. I'd remember her full answer to that T.K.

Like, didn't, that was something he was supposed to be taking care of. And he'd never told her

that he stopped taking care of it. And here we are. I don't know if he paid up to date or something. I remember hearing something like that, but I'm not sure I can't. But like that is, I will say though, one thing that I saw that was funny about Amanda. I guess people on the internet were like coming for her this episode and trying to play in that the address. They don't think about it and then she went in her closet. And that she was like, that it was a dupe. And she's like, I literally, it's getting

out of that. She's like, I literally cannot believe that I'm doing this. Doesn't even edit the video, just like one shot. And then shows both the labels that they are authentic, Dolce and Gabbana. But it's just like, it is kind of like where I'm like, y'all, there's so many things to pick at. Like, you guys are really coming for like her outfit. They came for her perk into, she had to confirm that. The woman is rich. She bought Kyle, Richard's house. Like, I don't really think it's

so much that there's a question of her wealth. Do you think she's richer than a lot of them?

“I'm sure she is. Do you think that's what the core of a lot of this is?”

I mean, I guess that's actually kind of hard to say. It also is like, Amanda doesn't really have like chemistry with a lot of the women. You know what I mean? I said Kyle. But that's Kyle. Because she'll random though, Kyle's aligns with her doesn't it? Well, she lives in our old house. It's also giving like maybe Kyle doesn't have like the same allies that maybe she needs someone to help.

It's kind of like, Kyle's been on the show since the jump. So she also knows how the audience reacts to gangups and whatnot. So I think it was in her best interest in her mind to be behind Amanda because it's like, you know, he likes a bunch of mean girls. Yeah, and she doesn't have to be like, oh, like, Kyle's been on Beverly Hills forever. She's bullying the new girl. And then she can kind of stay out of the drama and that way.

There's a little bit of like they just hate Amanda for this like a painting. Yeah. That's a little bit. Yeah. But. All right. How many more episodes before the reunion do we have? Kyle, I don't know. I'm not. And we're getting to the end. I imagine the role. I. What episode is this? A 50. Actually, I don't know. Because, uh, Bravo. Peacock's being weird with the watch what happens lives episodes in the, yeah. By the way,

“if anyone's listening, can you guys stop doing that? No, it's so annoying. I think it makes sense, though.”

No, no, no, no. It's confusing. I don't know what it is for. It doesn't happen. It has it's home. It has it's home. And why did they put it on the Beverly Hills? If it's the, they do it for all housewives now. If there's a housewife from that show, they'll put watchwaves live after the episode. I think, to encourage people to watch their interview. So it rolls right into that episode. Which, like, I get makes sense, but have it just be on autoplay on peacock instead of putting it

in the season thing. Truly, honestly, no one who's listening cares about this. We care about it because

we're always like, what's episode we're watching tonight? No, I guarantee you a lot. I, hey, if you're

in the, in the comments, let us know if you care about this because I know you do. I have something that may be about the kids about, but like, I'd thought was weird about this episode. Um, Kyle and her boutique bag. And she was like, I got this, we didn't see her buy it in, uh, where are they? In Italy. Do you have that bag? In, uh, the black bag that she was holding? Yeah. What's no, but they were, it was, it seemed very much like, does she have a paid sponsorship

with boutique? There's, I don't even know what it is. I don't know what it is, but not only did they not go into the store, but she was carrying that bag in the airport. The clip of them when they show them at the airport or whatever, it's on Kyle's shoulder. And she's like, I thought this bag in Italy, it was like, did you buy it at the airport in Italy? Because you didn't buy it at the boutique or that you all went into it. Maybe it's just like editing though. Maybe like,

she had that bag, but there was a really high in the way they edited it, made it sound like she was talking about that bag. It was, it, it's in, like, as they're getting out of the plane, she has it on her shoulder. She might have bought a different bag, because what I'm saying.

That's why I said, maybe you don't care. Some people care because it's just a weird, it's a weird

“storyline to put in there and to emphasize, but take us so much to then go into a deor and”

go into all of these other stores. And then it's like, I got this one bag that no one can get, and she made this whole point about it. Well, wasn't it? That does bring up something that I thought was weird. Okay. This is Beverly Hills Housewives. The intro is showing all these stars. And they go all the way to Italy to go to the exact same store. They can sell something

in the back yard. She prefers it. And it's a curse of all that is kind of the farce, but I think it's

funny when Rachel's about money doesn't exist in Europe. I understand that because obviously the euro to American dollar. So it's like, you go in there and you're like, I got it 1600 euros, but that's still like two grand, two, 2500 dollars when you convert it back into American dollars.

“So that's why I think it's just so funny that I'm just like, no, it's cheaper. But you just go,”

you go to the little tax thing at the airport and get your car all the time. So I promise you you tell your husband, I just buckle my bags back into the country. She's like, I'm being thrifty. Yeah, I bought you a bunch of like Amazon clothes, so that I could get a designer. Yeah. No, that's thinking economically. Exactly. Yeah. And I'm like, listen, like we're having two more twin girls like, oh, we can just reuse rivers clothes, but I'll just buy another one

of all of rivers clothes so that they can match. That's actually genius. Yeah. Have we talked

first present yet? I've put the new, I mean, it's like impossible to get or to find with the

“new Chanel collection. I've put screenshots photos of them. Are you talking about your article,”

the post I. My parents have done this a couple of times now. I will do this, but it will be like, I can tell they want something. Uh-huh. And instead of just being like, I want this, you know, can we do this? I get the, I get, you know, all the practical reasons why this makes sense. Because I wanted to move river into a, I wanted to redo her room and like give her a floor bed. And we just bought the like toddler rail to go on a like attaches onto her crib. So she's still

in her crib. It's just like a little she can get like in and out by herself. And I was like, I feel like maybe we should like redo a room and get like a twin size floor bed because I feel like she needs more room. And I feel like she's going to sleep better next like, I don't like, are you just like, what this? Like, because you want it or do you actually think like, because like she, we just switch it. She's like, well, she's not sleeping as well. And I'm like,

it's been one day. He's like, she's got a jazz that I'm like, I just feel like maybe she would have already. I mean, I'm dead. Also in, in your defense, it's like the bed, getting the bed, you're going to need it eventually. It doesn't really hurt to get it now. And then it's like, maybe she can switch back and forth. See what she likes. I'm like, maybe on top of it, it could be like a little like playpen lofts that you make. Yeah. Or just interesting.

It's the effort to make it sound so practical where it makes so much sense. And it's like, you just want it. Did she get out of her crib? Yeah. But the, but the carpet in her room is like, is, is very thick. So she can't open the door by herself. Um, my mom had to like lock my closet because I used to go in there and tear my clothes out of the, I was a disaster. It's. Anyway, what? All right. Well, thanks for listening. Appreciate our guest Chris from age of attraction,

as well as art and marine. We appreciate them both and appreciate you guys listening. We'll see you next week.