477: Adam Carolla Has Some Thoughts

>> My old friend, Adam Karola, is standing by to share some thoughts with you. Which is why this episode of the way I heard it is called Adam Karola has some thoughts. Chuck, I thought I'd go just guns blazing with all the literalness I could muster. >> You really hit it on the head, man. You know, I feel it's in keeping with the tenor of this conversation to speak clearly and

to tell the truth and to not obfuscate in any way it's always fun to talk to Adam.

>> God, well you never know where it's going to go, but you always know that he's going to be honest with you. He's just always got a truth cam on him and he really does always tell the truth. >> It sure seems that way, it's funny, you know, you look around and you realize all of a sudden, that guy's kind of been in my life.

For, you know, like all the way back on love line with Dr. Drew, you know, the first time I came out to LA for any length of time and in my car, I just remember listening to these two in the middle of the night going, man, that is a very unusual show, you know, for radio.

“And then he kind of blew himself up, I think he got fired from K Rock, maybe it was.”

>> Did he? >> I don't remember that. >> Yeah, there was all kinds of radio drama and then he was one of the first guys to podcast, you know? >> Yeah, that I know.

>> Yeah. >> He still has to get, wow, I can't imagine this, I guess it's true. >> The most downloads or something, yeah, it's again, it's record, something, blobby, blah. >> Think about Adam is, you know, I've done his show, I don't know, three or four times,

I guess, and he's been on here before remotely, this is the first time he actually came

by and sat in our new chairs, he's our new table. >> Sweet, it's really cool. But it's difficult to know how to introduce the guy, which I'll demonstrate briefly. I mean, what is he, you know, he's a best selling author is, yeah. >> Is he a comedian?

>> I mean, sure, yeah, he does stand up, you know, he's done stand up shows, too. >> Up to thousands. >> Yeah, yeah. >> But he's also an interviewer and he's a podcaster, and of course, he's a great guest. And now I sit as an journalist, raccontour, observer of the condition.

>> Yes, sit as an journalist for sure, I mean, what he's done over the last year because of the palisade fires, which is his backyard, he was personally affected by this. And he called it from the get, the very first day that he broadcast after those fires. He said nothing's going to get fixed here, guys. >> Yep, you know.

>> And he's explained exactly why, and like a prophet, he has been correct. >> Yeah, well, we're 14 months now, T-minus 14 months or so, from the fire, virtually nothing has happened. The government here in Santa Monica and LA in general, and California, for that matter, in my own view is paralyzed, apologies in advance, you know, we're going to talk candidly

and maybe a little uncharacteristically about some political issues, but I just think we're at such an extraordinary inflection point in California. >> Yeah, they're local issues for you and me. We live in this state and we love this state, and we wish it were run better. >> Yeah.

>> And gosh, how many of my friends, how many people in our industry have just left, I mean, often left, a lot, anyway, Adam, I just thought would be an interesting hang, because I wanted to talk to him about all that stuff, and whatever else is on his mind, and of course, Adam Crowell, it has some thoughts. >> Yes, he does.

>> It's about virtually anything and everything. So much fun to talk to him who's great to see him again in person.

“I think you're going to enjoy every minute of the one hour and forty-some minutes we”

spend. >> So give or take, who cares? >> Now you don't care anymore, do you? >> No, I can't. >> Why?

Because it doesn't do any good. >> No. >> Doesn't do any good to care. >> Well, it's true. >> I just don't.

>> You do not care that I would like this. >> Yeah. >> That I care. >> No, I don't, you know, I mean, and honestly, if I'm being totally candid, I don't care if the listener cares either, because I mean, no, I'd say that with love and respect, but

look, I mean, how hard is it to stop listening if you don't want to listen any more. >> That's so true. >> Or fast forward.

>> You can always do that.

>> You know, it's just like, look, do you want to listen to your double speed? That's an interesting question, man. >> Yeah. >> No. >> I feel like double speed is too much.

>> It's off putting, what's your limit? Well, it depends. If I'm listening to say Ben Shapiro, who talks at double speed anyway, you got to listen to him at half speed, right? >> No.

>> Just a, well, you know, I'll tell you what, man. You can get used to virtually anything, and I remember you and I were out, just walk it. I was around here, and I gave you an error but I'm like here, listen to this, right? >> Right.

>> But I had it like 1.75. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he were like, dude, what is this? Swahili?

>> Yeah. >> What's even happening?

“And it's like, the truth is, I felt that way at 1.25, and then 1.5, and then, and you just”

get used to it.

>> So, look, if you want to listen to me at double speed, you can do it.

“I can't stop you, but you'll be cheating yourself out of a rich, well-modulated baritones.”

>> Say that three times fast. >> Yeah.

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You got nothing to lose. Except at time, you've been wasting zipracruder.com/Roh. So how many books total, at this point? Well, technically, seven books, but I don't really count the first one. That was just a book.

I mean, Dr. Drew wrote a long time ago. I mean, what points has it come? Joining me today is Adam Crowle author. Yeah. I mean, seriously, seven is not a, I mean, I wrote one just because everybody said I

ought to, but I found it, what's the word, laborious, or is it sold deadening, or is it futile? Well, I mean, it depends because you can look at it from an interesting perspective in the sense that, like, let's say one of my books was an auto biography of, you know, it was myself.

And so, that's so many auto biographies. Yeah. So there's auto biographical, and then there's auto biography, but sorry, well, I would

never write a book about myself unless someone paid me to write a book about myself.

But when they do, then you have a book about yourself, and you would never do it before. But I would never write any of my books if someone didn't hate me. So they come to you, and, you know, they probably should have done this when I was in high school. So, we'll give you one quarter of the money up front for the book report, and I go,

well, I want all the money up front, we'll go, no, no, no, if we give you all the money up front, we're never going to get a book report, and we want a book report. Right. So I'll tell you what, Mr. D. Minus, we'll give you one quarter of the money up front to write that report on Levi Strauss, and then once you hand it in, we'll give you another

draw, not giving you all of it, and tell you graduate, and a tell it gets proofread, and what it essentially does is they force guys who may not be good at writing books to write a book by incentivizing them, and it's kind of how the human mind works, and it's also how humans are wired, and they give you an advance. Was there any of that?

“Yeah, well, what they do is they go, yeah, they go, we will give you, I think, the first”

book, they go, we'll give you a $350,000 advance, and you go, that sounds pretty good, and then you get a check for $71,000, and you go, what happened to my quick-fat, it's just part. Mm-hmm. If we give it to you all, imagine giving comedians, you know, as I already lying, we got a $1

million advance for you, and you're getting it all up front. Right. Do you think Arty Lang is going to give you a book? Right.

You'll never see that book.

You'll see 'em in court, years later, when you try to wrestle some of your money back, that's been spent. By the way, was the first one autobiographical? No, the first one was in 50 years while I'll be chicks, which was just sort of a take on

biographical. That's awesome. I am a publisher asked me to write a, I guess, a memoir, which I just thought was indecent, because you shouldn't do that until you're very old, like, really kind of done, it seems. Because there's just so much opportunity to be terrible.

To be terrible.

Ariana Grande, you're probably working on our third autobiography right now, like, some

people write them at 19, but, I mean, it kind of depends. By the time I got to my mid 50s, or early 50s, I guess when I was asked to write that, I feel like I'd had so many different lives at that point that somebody could get some use out of hearing about starting here and then going there and then ending up here. So, but there's still more, there'd be more life to live for sure.

“Is it, like, publishers love a look into the world, or a world that most people don't know?”

I know, in my TV life, they became besotted with the idea of, you know, okay, we're going into the Amish world, or we're going into the, I'll ask and push people world, or we're going into this world. That's the hook. That's the whole thing.

We're going to show you a world that you didn't know, which is very different than an

autobiography, but you slapped the two together, and maybe you get some, maybe you learned

something about comedy and Adam at the same time, or construction, or whatever it is, you're going to riff on. But for me, I was stuck. I wound up writing. I took like 30 short stories about famous people that I had written as mysteries and interrupted

them with, like, two pages of things that happened to me, growing up. So it was like half autobiography, half biography. I thought it was terribly clever, but it's it turns out it's confused a lot of people. I just got a little Paul Harvey to it. I mean, he called it the rest of the story.

I called mine the way the way I heard it. Yes. And Chuck, you remember? We got a FedEx here. Oh, yeah.

God. I mean, I hadn't written a book yet, but I was doing a show, and a column called the way I heard it. FedEx from Paul Harvey. Certified mail.

Certified mail from Paul Harvey Jr. Yeah. All right. It's can't be good. This can't be good, because I'm literally talking about his dad and the influence he had

on me and how I'm shamelessly taking his idea. He said, my old man is looking down and giving you two thumbs up, and I'm giving you this check for your foundation, because I love it. And I felt like such an ask because I was like, I just expected the absolute worst.

“I think it's up there, I'm the same way, if anyone says, you know, could we talk after”

work? Oh, God. What is this? He knows I'm bangin' his wife, he knows it, he knows it, he knows it. Yeah, it's only three guys in the office, but it's not everybody.

If you just go, like, I have a kind of a wiring where someone goes, oh, so-and-so was talking about you. I don't want to hear it. But why not? Like, why wouldn't it be good or nice thing?

Yeah.

I mean, it's such a, somebody is riding, it's such a weird, I guess we're always trapped

in our sort of eight-year-old mind or something. Somebody's riding a long, detailed expose on me, and, first thing, okay, I didn't know how to describe it.

“Let's look for a major newspaper, I can't remember, when we write these big long exposés”

on, like, Norm MacDonald, and guys like that in the past, a lot of, like, luminary type. So my first impulse is, why are you talking to me? What are you talking to me for? Why would you talk to me? And he's like, well, you're, you're interesting, because you do this, you do that, but

you're not really this, you're not really that, and I got to follow you around for days and ride about you. And he goes, well, who could I talk to about you that was sort of interesting, like, Beauty and No, that'd be cool, you know, and I said, well, I, you know, I'm kind of friends with Kevin Costner, but I don't know, I don't want to bother him, like, I felt that way

about every person, Jimmy Kimmel, Alec Baldwin, I said, these are all guys I know, and they're interesting, guys, and they like me, but I don't want to hassle a man. They're also happy to do it, waxed on, and very gracious, but my default setting is like, why are you hassling these guy, and it's like, yeah, it's such a weird default set, well, not weird, but, well, do you say, like, when you get the, when somebody puts the long arm

like, is your first impression, God, homework? Yeah, I'm, I try to stave you guys off, or someone's like, I mean, you really did, it's been like five years. Oh, I came on your show five, probably five years ago. I'm a big fan, and I listen, I am a very soft touch in that I love to do people stuff. I interview people

for essentially a living. I don't always want to talk to everybody. I'm not interested in

every person I interview, and I love being interviewed, and I love the format, and I've always been like a radio guy, and a broadcast guy, and so anybody's podcast or anybody, you know, can put the arm on me, I'm always happy, or you're a better host, or a better guest.

“I think I'm a better guest, and that the guest is sort of the freestyle,”

well let's see, and the other part's the compulsory. Yeah, although when you interview enough people, you get pretty good at it, but it's not, you know, when you're interviewing, you're kind of there to interview and not necessarily be the life of the party. And why did you feel like you were good at it? And like the difference between coming in with like questions, or the comfort, freedom, just have a conversation, and I don't mean with the comedian either, because you guys don't

count as a cohort, because you just live in a different sort of zip code for that. But I mean like the real business, there's a scene in a movie called The Big Cahuna. It's Danny DeVito's best work, right? It's that whole character riff, and he says this thing to, uh, as it was not Kevin Spacey, it's whoever the kid is. I remember the movie, there's salesman, and they're like at a convention, and he says, you know, with the last time you talked to somebody, you know,

I like really had a conversation, ask him about his kids. Not, not come in with a picture

“in a gender and idea, because what you do that, then you put your hand, that's what he says.”

He says, you put your hands on it, and you guide it. And then it's not a thing. That's a really,

I never really struck me at the time, because that is our business. And you know, you get six

minutes on the news, or you get ten minutes, you're doing a hit with a Riley once upon a time. You can't really have a conversation. You have a moment. Yeah. And so I don't know, like how do you think about all of that in terms of just being understood? Well, you know, I think there's so many different formats, and I feel like you have to be a little bit of a decathlete these days, you know, you don't have to be a world champion in long distance running, or the javlin, or the shot put,

or the long jumper, whatever, but you should be competent in all those. And if you're competent

“in all of them, you may, they may add up to a gold medal. And so like, I would do, you know,”

dancing with the stars, and they'd go, you know, there's no swearing. This is prime time, you know, this is, this is network prime time. And then you would do terrestrial radio, and there was some, you know, you could say, you know, this guy's at GDA Hall, you know, everything was sort of

abbreviated with the letters, right? You know, it was always funny when you do terrestrial radio,

you get like, I know people who swear a lot, and I go, you shouldn't swear so much, and they go, you know, why the fuck? You know, I go, because then when you get in front of people, and you don't want to swear, you end up swearing, and they go, I can handle my, and at some point they're like in front of the judge, I go, this motherfucker, you're going to 85 miles an hour, you're right? I'm like, you can't stop yourself from, from doing that.

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So when you do trust your right-hand, you'll find yourself on the week

and it's going, these GDA holes with their FN. And your buddies are going. What's that all about? No, I can't. I got to have one mode. But for me, it's like, you know, you can do a podcast. You can get dirty. You can go do network TV. You can keep it clean. And you can interview someone seriously and have a serious conversation.

“You can talk to a comedian. But you need to have like different”

modalities. And I kind of learned it early with people and partners. Because I've had a number of partners in my career. I was partnered with Jimmy Kimmel. I was partnered with Dr. Drew. I was partnered with Skip Badell when we're doing our home improvement. Catch contractor show and skip and Drew and Jimmy are all wildly different.

And when you partner with Jimmy, Jimmy is the alpha. He's going to throw it to commercial. He's going to welcome back from commercial. And so I would sort of step aside a little and go, yeah, go ahead. Throw it to commercial. Take it back. We get paid the same.

Talk more than me. Fine. Then I get partnered with Drew. I'm now the host. And I'm thrown to commercial and bring it back from break and interviewing the guests or whatever. Drew's become the sidekick. And when I was working with Skip, Skip didn't have any on camera real experience.

So I was kind of setting up and sometimes even literally just moving him away. Because the camera, he was getting his back in front of the camera. You know, the camera guy couldn't see him and stuff like that. But I realize you can't just have one mode.

“You have to have all be alpha. I'll be beta. I'll be teacher. I'll be student.”

You know, and if you can kind of learn who people are and kind of understand who they are, then it's much easier. You can't have like two alpha's interview each other. It just becomes kind of cluster empty as I would say. Well, it's such a different world to this. I mean, I'll call it the host paradigm for lack of a better host interview.

Narrator, raccontour, whatever, then an actor certainly, then a comedian.

Like back to the book thing for a second.

The reason I wanted to riff on that initially, not that I had a plan, but now that I think about it, it's hard. Because once you write the thing down, it's there forever. It's on the shelf and it's between the covers. And there's no excuse, man.

Whatever's between the covers must be exactly what you want it to say. But the minute you're done, there's a fire in the palesades. And now you give it down about something else entirely.

“And now there's, you know, whatever's going on in your life, right?”

And so the book, it's like, ah, it's like this snapshot of this moment. But it never goes away. It just sits on the shelf forever and people read it. But it's not who I am anymore. It's not who you are anymore. That's my favorite part about this.

Like what you do and what you did in podcasting. Initially, it was so, um, I was so immediate. You know, for better or worse, you did it. And then you come back the next day and do it again. It's the opposite of writing a book, really.

Yeah. I mean, to a certain extent, you know, if you go and look at a autobiography, you go, well, that was me zero to this age. And it doesn't include the palesades and the Malibu fires, but it's a historical account of at least what I was doing from that year to that year.

Sure. And then it, you're right, it's locked off. You know, the thing that, there's stuff that's interesting about podcasting is

you can hear, oh, I had to come back from this place and then I drove that way.

And then my kids, you know, we're three at the time. You know, you're hearing a kind of, it's a dear diary. I mean, it's an auto, it's an audio diary. Now, if you're doing Paul Harvey show, then it really isn't. But if you're doing a free flowing conversational podcast, then yeah,

you would be talking about COVID or the Malibu fires or how you were affected. You know, I had to flee during the Malibu fires, for instance. And so I would be saying, oh, I had to get up at two in the morning and take off and went to Burbank. And if I heard it, or my kids heard it 20 years from now,

“they'd go, that's what happened that day.”

Or they might say, flee, dead, really? You use the word flee. Like you couldn't leave, you couldn't escape. You couldn't vacate, you couldn't run. You fled.

I evacuated. Yeah, there was a fire about a week before that, where I didn't want to go and then at some point could see the flames and decided to go. But yes, I fled the fire.

I think it was like two AM, as a middle of the night. Well, in a weird way, I may have seen you. Sort of. I was here. I landed that day.

Oh, you were here. I landed that day. I was filming a thing down south, not far. On the other side of Venice and driving up. I mean, like alarms were going off.

And you could see smoke, but people were still shopping. It was the strangest thing. And then I went up on the roof here. As the sun was going down. Uh-huh.

Geez, I'll never forget that, man.

“I will never forget how orange and horrible”

and apocalyptic it was. Yeah. And then coming down in the over there to Huntley. Mm-hmm. Up in that restaurant, which looks dead in that direction.

Mm-hmm. Standing next to a woman who was watching her house burn. Who turned and told me that her dog was at it. And it was literally in. And just going like, this is like happening.

I mean, obviously it's so much bigger than a dog. But it was such a little moment. And I thought about all my friends who lived there. And I'm like, tomorrow's going to be a crazy day. And I mean, has your life even been remotely similar since then?

Is the old days? Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm pretty resilient. My place did not burn down.

Everything in front of it. And most of the stuff to the right and the behind it and stuff. Everything kind of around it burnt down.

“And I think people sometimes use a little hyperbole.”

Like, my whole neighborhood burnt down. I was the only one to survive. But it's pretty close to that. Every single structure in front of me along the ocean is gone. And about 60 percent of the stuff on the hill I'm on is gone.

It's mostly gone. It probably be maybe out of 50 structures. 10 survived. Let's say out of 50 or 60 structures. Yeah.

I happen to be one of them. That was good. But you couldn't go back for six months or what have you. So I was just kind of renting houses and sort of out and about and sleeping on people's gas houses. So that kind of stuff.

You know, it was a pretty big inconvenience. But I realized I grew up on a service porch on like a cot mattress and then later moved into a garage. And you know, with no air and stuff and had like one bedroom apartments with three roommates and slept on food times and stuff. I was pretty used to camping out.

It'd been a while, but I was always kind of resilient that way.

I was just used to roughing it a little bit. But your camping in those days wasn't the result of a calamity. It was more or less. In fact, I couch served for a couple of years. And I remember it like almost romantically.

It was kind of fun. Yeah, it's fun. You know, when you're young and you have energy and there's people. You have a crew to sort of be miserable with you. Sure.

Is that from our rooftop? Yeah. I was a picture from the roof. That is just really dramatic. And that wasn't even, I mean, it got worse.

Obviously the darker it gets the more apocalyptic. Yeah. Yeah, sure. Yeah. So my place is just sort of past that wall of flame.

It was sort of miraculous that it didn't burn down. But I just said, I'm kind of philosophical and I can handle stuff.

On a micro level, I get it. But, you know, I was, I try and stay in my lane. I don't want to make undue trouble. But I've lived in this state for, my 20, 20 some years. You're born here, right?

Yeah. So, you know, our friend Elaine Caladi was here about six months ago. And we were just texting. It looks like she's going to be running for governor. And I've made it a point to stay out of overt.

Politics. But this feels different to me, like the fate of the state. It feels so consequential right now.

“Not just for the state, but I mean, I think a lot of the countries look in here and take”

in their queue from our elected officials and trying to try and weigh and measure all of that. And I wonder, like to the extent that I have any, I had a little platform here. I find myself wanting to talk about this stuff. And I know, I mean, you've been blogging constantly, you know, Elaine.

You've been, you're really paying attention to it. So I guess if there's a question in here, it's like to what extent are you doing this to, to change the course of the state's trajectory? Well, yeah, I've been here in my whole life. And I've seen where it's heading.

And it's not going in a good direction, and I would say frequently several years ago, I would say, when are we going to change direction? And pick a new chart of new course, and then people would say, the number one answer,

which is always sort of sad is, well, we haven't bottomed out yet.

We got a bottomed out. And I said, why do we have to bottom out?

“Well, I can't, we just see where heading to the bottom and not do that.”

So I said, well, you got to bottom out. I said, this is like me saying, it's like if I, if you had a teenage son and you'd walked in his room and he found heroin syringes and then he'd got a couple of DUIs and been arrested a few times. And, you know, pass down. Let's wait for you over those.

Yeah, let's wait till it's flat lines. And then we'll get him some help. And I'd be like, no, no, a good parent would see what's going on and before the kids' heart stops, get him into rehab. That's what we should be doing.

So we're like sort of spiraling into deep addiction and dark waters and people are saying, wait till we flat line. And I'm like, oh, or we could just go into rehab. We should change things now. Now, the fire may have been the bottoming out.

Could have very well been that moment of bottoming out.

“For me, I felt interested in sort of cataloging all the”

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And then also kind of discussing what it would be like to rebuild and the permitting process and things of that nature because I realized that I was pretty intimately familiar with that being a contractor for so many years in the city and sort of having to deal with the city and plan check and bureaucracy and all of that's coming. And I was very aware of it in a way that most people who were either comedians or commentators

or had a vlog or a podcast or something. I didn't know anyone who had an intimate understanding of building and codes and construction.

“So I was like, I think I should be the guy who talks and knows how to talk,”

but also understands what these guys are dealing with in terms of a construction engineering permitting and that sort of thing I think I can take them both. So it was kind of interesting. I fled to Burbank and then checked into hotel at literally like four in the morning. And the following day got up to speculation of whether my home was there or not.

Nobody knew it was a lot of footage of everything in front of my house. I could see the news crews around the street and I could see everything in front of me was gone. So what did you take with you? I really just took socks and underwear. I didn't really grab any keep sakes or anything.

“But to be fair, most of my stuff worth keeping is at my warehouse anyway.”

This was just sort of beach house eat stuff. So I woke up the next day to rumors that my place was gone. And I was doing the math because the fire was started up on the hill and it ended at the ocean. And my house was on the hill and everything at the ocean was gone. So I did a math which is everything in between the that and the ocean's got to be gone.

And I was in between. But literally the restaurant and the buildings, everything just below where I live were all gone. So I was like, I guess it's gone but I can't verify it because you can't get back in and something something. So but we had a podcast to do.

And the winds were so powerful that they toppled over a electrical pole, telephone pole.

And the power was out where my studio was. And so now I'm like, well, we've, you know, the power's out, everything's a mess. It's helped our sculptor.

“And do I really need to do a podcast like every single day?”

Like can we just run a best of, you know, I talked to Seth McFarlane for over an hour. Just run that, you know. And I started thinking about it. Yeah, but I think people are going to want to hear what, you know, you're in the middle of all this. And they're going to want to little check up on what's going on. So I just in my hotel room, just kind of moved a table, moved the chair and set the thing and put the mic on the table and shut the drapes, you know.

And somebody with an iPhone kind of thing. We just kind of, and I said, you know what, it's only going to be 10 minutes. I'm just going to check in.

Let's give him, let him know. I'm okay. And here's what's going on in Baba.

And of course, it won an hour of me complaining. But it was, it was that morning after the fire where I just sort of explained everyone, there's not going to be permits. You think they're going to talk about fast tracking stuff. And city's going to snap in action. None of this is going to happen.

There's going to grind everyone to end up. There are not in the business of handing out permits or fast tracking engineering plan check. I've dealt with this. It's a bureaucracy. They're not going to change. And you think they would under these emergency conditions. They have no intention of doing it.

And it's never going to happen.

And you people who love these people formally are going to learn to hate these people when it's time for you to pull a permit. And it was a little like eight hours after the fire. And you're talking about people who voted for those particular officials. I'm saying, in general, those areas of this part of the city where we're at now Malibu. And Palisades, they like those types.

They're progressive, blue, leaning type in general. I would say this is, you know, not a lot of them do anything for deer hunting season.

There's not a lot of ram duly sparked in the parking lot.

“That's an electric car, vote blue, kind of gogav and kind of crowd.”

I said, you guys are going to be in for a real route of awakening. Because you're going to find out what this city does and how it does not function or perform. And you're going to find out a sort of arrogant and cruel they are. Because they're not going to be in any hurry to help you. And they're not even going to pretend like they're here to help you.

And I don't even know if they want, they don't want you to rebuild as far as I'm concerned. So good luck. This is what's going to happen. Look forward to this. And you know, that was 13 and a half months ago.

And now everyone's wandering around. Where are the permits? Where are welcome? No one has a permit.

It's like, I told you where they were.

You're not getting up. Then last guy, I told you about Jeff Chilters who writes that column, coughing COVID. Today's column was called, I told you so. And, you know, he's coming from a point of view as a lawyer who fought mask mandates. And a lot of other adjacent things five years ago.

And now the evidence demands a verdict. All right. And it's clear. I shared your podcast that day. I thought it was brilliant.

I'm not brilliant. I thought it was smart. I thought it was really smart to do it.

“Because I think the initial impulse on a lot of people would have been exactly that.”

Seth McFarlane's funny. It's a great interview. This is put it up.

I got, I'm dealing with stuff.

But, you know, back to the book thing. You know, this is not the guy you are in the books you wrote before. Now you've got, now you've, you have an audience. And they trust you, man. You've got an enormous amount of permission to, um,

to be as candid as you want and to share as much as you want. Uh, I think generally the country's super hungry for that. The fact that you hunkered down and did that on a couple of iPhones was just interesting. And reminded me, this is a bit of a stretch. But remember when poor Dane was caught in, uh, Bay Root.

Uh-huh. Right, I was probably 10, 10 years ago now. Well, I mean, you didn't have to do it show. You just needed to turn the camera on and be a reliable narrator or a witness to whatever that was.

And that's what I meant by permission. You grew up in this state. You live in that zip code. You know how to communicate. You know how to be a host.

You know how to be a guest. And you've got a front row seat to something. But what was interesting for me when I, when I shared that the comments, I still remember a lot of people going well. You know, he's, I mean, he's being very pessimistic.

You know, he's like, be very much of a Cassandra. You know, I'm prognosticator. You know, we'll just see, because it sure seems like all, all the brass are saying, oh, no, no, no, all the bureaucracy's gone. All the roadblocks are coming down.

They were talking about issuing thousands of permits in months. Uh-huh. And dude, you were right. They haven't, what have they done? Well, they've done a little bit in the palisades.

Um, a little bit. And pretty much zero in Malibu along the coast.

“Because I think the coastal commission had to get involved with that.”

Plus, it's kind of academic. Like what people don't really fully understand is, I could issue you a permit for these places that live these lots that were burned down along a PCH on the water side, on the ocean side of Pacific coast highway.

And, you know, picture tells a thousand words. So there are, there's some stuff out there, Chuck, that is me chronicling a job site. There's one job site on PCH. I don't know.

Adam Karola, PCH, foundation worker, something like that. I literally got the drone up in the air. Yeah. Tell me how it's stuff. So what I'm saying is,

even if you had a permit to build your home back on PCH, part, the engineering for that home that you're going to rebuild is 35 case-ons that are 36 inch and diameter going five stories. Into the ground. Now, we'll find you the pictures.

I'm not using any hyperbole here. It is case-ons, which are drilled with a case-on rig and a giant auger bit. It's essentially just drilling down into the earth. But not drilling down 15 feet.

A drilling down five stories.

Now, we need video. I'm dead.

It's out there somewhere.

It's in my vlog though. You'll see it in the vlog. I don't think you'll see it clearly in my show. Oh, you'll find it. Anyway, case-ons alone deserve some sort of rhetorical detour.

I mean, just so people understand, you know, I mean. Yeah, that's a vlog.

“But now you have to, what are you typing in?”

And I'll see if I can help you. That's the vlog. I type the drone footage. Adam Corolla, drone footage. Look at that.

You see, you can't look at that. Look at that. But you didn't put the word foundation. I guess not. That's why there you go.

That's the word.

That's why I said foundation.

But that's earlier stuff where it's destroyed. Now, so the architect called, and now, by the way, that's just the case-ons. Then there's the C-walls. Then there's the slab. The engineer architect, he told me there'd be 3,000 yards of concrete in this foundation.

Three. All right. You're, do you put in the word foundation? I did. Yeah.

I'm not doing good. We'll get a new one. A new video. Pop up. I'll just spell it.

So, let me get this out of here.

“It'll be a construction site, as what I'm saying.”

This is stuff I just burned out, place. But, all right. For your audience, 3,000 cubic yards of concrete, a full-size concrete truck holds 10 yards. Mm-hmm. So, one truck is 10 yards.

Each case-on is about 20 yards. So, each case-on is two full trucks pumped. And there's 30-some odd case-ons. And that's just what stuff poking up from the ground. Why do you need a case-on in this case?

You don't, you know. So, I'm talking to the engineer. And he goes, "I'm looking at this." And I'm anxious for you to see it, as I sound, bugging Chuck. Because you're going to go, "Oh, my God.

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♪ We'll take a drink and go ♪ Is this right? When did you type in? I typed in Adam Kerhol, a PCH foundation. All right, let's see.

Let's see. This has a couple of quick shots of it. Let's see. Put in the word. Okay.

Get rid of foundation, put K-san. Okay. Which is an interesting spelling. I think it's C-A-S-S. Yeah.

But it was an eye in it too. Yes. But those are the things that like that's they used to build bridges with them. Yeah, they build bridges with them. They hold up freeway over passes.

And then they go down into the ground. And you pressurize it under water.

“And that's what lets you work in an area in poor concrete, you know, 50 feet under water.”

Or more. Yes. Like this be it. What's it say? Let's be building real estate nine months after the blaze.

Okay. So this is not it.

“Now, this is being explaining that the equinox”

came across the streets been closed for nine months, but the Taco Bell has been open the entire time. What is it with you and Taco Bell? I tried to get it. I tried to get a job there once and they denied me.

What that was a second book.

Not Taco Bell. Yeah, that was it. Yeah. And here, I mean, look, the irony of that. And now today, doing stand-ups on Instagram.

On that phone. I know. Chronicleing one of the greatest, you know. Mr. Kicks. Do a picture.

Do a photo. There you go. There you go. Images. Images.

Case. A foundation. PCH, Adam Kroll. Image right. Think something.

You know, I can't imagine more.

“Like right now to be Chuck has to be one of those annoying things.”

I know. You just put on the road. You've seen Jamie going. I can't even tell you. I can't even tell you.

Thousands of these hold on. Right. And I just found a foundation that's been reviewed before. You want it. Like from the last.

How about the last. The last ones. The most recent. The most recent. The most last month.

So nothing came up. The guy. As they're pouring 3,000 yards of concrete. I'm sitting there talking to the architect. And I go and what about the old foundation.

Because you had to pull out a bunch of stuff. And he said, oh, those were all just piles. Just telephone poles. Pound it down in the ground. Yes.

It's a build pears and everything on just a telephone pole. I got whacked in the ground. And he goes, um, I go wait a minute. There was no. He goes, there's no concrete.

I said, none. Just none. It was all wood. Everything was wood. I said, it lasted for 70 years.

And then the fire got it.

But the foundation never gave way.

Because now everything was wood. That's the way they built it in 1957. And it was going fine until the fire got him. And I said, OK, how much is this foundation? He said about 2.5 million.

I said 2.5 before you bring in the first 2 by 4 to build. He said, yes, you're going to be into this about 2.5, which just foundation. And then you can start building your home here after you're into that 2.5. I said, who's got the money for this? Who can do this?

And by the way, the time, I mean, they got full case on rigs like a 5 story piece of engineering role. And you know, talent tank tracks and everything's shelf esteem shovels back. I was like, it is, it is an insane proposition. The mount, they're putting into that. Each case on has a rebar cage.

That's essentially looks like a long, slinky made out of number 6 rebar, which is like 3/4 inch thick rebar has to be hung up on a giant crane. Five stories long and lowered all the way down into each one times like 36. All right, check. There's no way you don't have a picture of that foundation.

Thank you. I think it drew one. He's good. He's pretty talented. This is not working out well at all. Well, let me ask you this.

Do you know what a foundation looks like? Yeah. Okay.

“If you want to see one, if you're like that.”

I got a picture of some case ons right here. There you go. But I don't think that's what you're looking for. Those are all the ones that I got. Well, maybe I'll just pull my phone out.

I mean, at this point, on this point. Well, I mean, like, you know, we'll find it. But the moral is very blogged from the fires. So probably have some of that gross last vlog. The date on it will be, I don't know, three weeks old or month old.

But anyway, go ahead. Why are you doing this? It's nearby where I live. I am very fascinated with all forms of building. So I will come poking around if you're building.

And I'm walking past whatever is your building. I just come poking around. Like I just like it. I like seeing how it's built. It is kind of my Reese's Peanut Butter Cup.

It's taken sort of comedy and commentary and sarcasm and humor. Mixed in with building and kind of put together. My peanut butter cup. Like the two things I kind of like, you know, assembled essentially.

All right. Let's go. We're getting somewhere to see it. This is health consequences. Let's see.

You know, I don't think it's this one. I love all of that. Totally. Go forward. You can scrub it for.

Can I? No, I don't think it's this one. One more before this one. Let's see. One year later.

They're trying to save that one. One year later. Yeah. How did I hit that one already?

“Oh, maybe you had nine months later, I think.”

I mean, how many vlogs have you done? I've done a lot. I've done a lot of them. It's definitely not this one. That much.

There you go. Well, fine. I don't know. I walk around. I just look at it.

But what the point. I'm trying to drive home. I'm not doing a good job. Is this it? This is the one year later.

Hey, I just let it run. Well, that's actually no longer about your story. It's just about whether or not Chuck can find this one. This is more about it is more about Chuck at this point. This point.

My point is what you used to take. No money and little effort is now hirculian and involves a lot of engineering and a lot of permitting and stuff. There it is.

You can stop it there for a second.

Okay. Okay. There it is. Okay. Good.

Yeah. Well, let it even get even closer. But that's the job site. And those are all the casans that they're pouring. Yeah, let it roll a little more.

Let's see if we can get a little closer to it. Trying. Okay. That's all right. Oh.

Yeah, there it is. You let it roll there. Okay. Those things go five stories into the ground. That's just for a single family residence.

That's not, you know, it's not the Germans. Normandy. That's just a single family home with sea walls. They're building to the top with rebar with Dowling into the rebar with the sea wall goes 20 feet down in the ground.

Explain why that is the thing. All right. You just pause it there for a sec. Let's jump. They have good job, check your back.

They have to build a sea wall basically because they're going to put a septic

system in there. And they're essentially building a 20 foot high 14 inch thick concrete wall all the way around it. So the septic system can't leak and go into the ocean. Are you kidding?

Should be the name of my next podcast. This is, this is total in utter insanity. And it's what the city makes you do. And so my point is this is a metaphor for California.

“You want to know how come there's not enough low cost housing?”

How come we don't have this? How come? Because you guys make it impossible to do because of regulation. See, we could rebuild a home the way it was built before. But this is total insanity.

And it's the un safety thing we talk about all the time. Sure. But what's the end game? What's in it for the county? It making it impossible.

I mean, that house when it's done is going to be $10 million. Yes. Easily. Yes. And like to your earlier point, who's got the dough?

How are you going to build back with those kinds of protocols?

The county simply adds things on and they never peel anything away.

So if the regulation 20 years ago was number four rebarr. Now it's number six rebarr. Soon it'll be number eight rebarr. All they know is how to keep ratcheting up the thing that they always hide under the umbrella of safety.

It's always some sort of safety related thing. But like I used to say, when I had houses from the 20s, 1923 and maybe 1927, my first couple house and I'd be building some stuff and you get the engineering. And I'd go, this is way over engineering. They go, we're an earthquake country.

We have to go, yeah, where do you think the house was in Idaho? In 1971 when the big one hit and in 1994. 94. 94. Thank you.

When the Silmar one hit, they're both here. Nothing happened. There's nothing. There weren't engineered for anything. There's no case on.

There's no anything. It's just here it is. Here it's sat. So yeah, there's nothing wrong with engineering. There's nothing wrong with being safe.

“But building 1,000 fold as strong as you need to is like saying, you know,”

everyone goes sell a car should have an air bag and a crumple zone and front. Okay. And it's safety bill. But it doesn't and about. But it doesn't need a fire suppression system and a fuel cell and a roll cage.

Because the action would be safer.

It would be safe. But it's not practical. So the actual way, like I'm fascinated with that argument with the car thing, because and people just, I broke a few eggs. Look at that.

That's a beauty. By the way, all those case sounds that we're seeing now and we're not seeing all of them. Some are underground. But they're all going five stories into the ground. Wow.

I mean, I can't imagine. That's our house.

“That's why I need to show you the picture.”

Okay. Good work. Good work. So we start every year. Knowing.

35 to 38,000 people are going to die on the highway.

We know it. And you can have your crumple zones. And you can have your double air bags and your restraints and money. You do it all. But that's doing all that.

Get you 35 to 40,000 fatalities. Yeah. You want to knock it down to 20. I get the speed limit to 35. You want to down to 15 mandatory helmets.

All right. You want to down to 5,000. No left turns. All right. You want to get it down to zero.

Correct. Rappam. Yeah. Rappam and rubber.

“And I mean, so it's about exactly right.”

So you start with the idea that you could absolutely eliminate automotive fatalities.

But it's been weighed and measured. And we've decided 35 to 40,000 fatalities. It's something we can live with. Right. We're not running this safe.

There is no corollary for this. No. Because this is zero fatalities because in this equation, the old car with no air bags and no crumple zones would have been this thing built on the telephone poles that were piled driven into the ground.

But the pier, which is a half block down the street is over 100 years old. And it sits on the telephone poles the same once. So this is your grandpa's old Osmo bill with no fatalities ever and still were requiring the roll cage and the fire suppression. That's just like all these additional things like through the lens of a safety protocol.

Yeah. But this is through the environment. This is like saying, we. We will spare no expense to keep any amount of septic sewage from potentially leaching. Right.

You know, can we live with a 1% chance? No. We can't. It has to be zero. And it doesn't matter what it costs.

Right. Well, the other thing is the modern systems are so good that there is none of that leaching that goes on every time we talk to someone they go, they say you can drink whatever is in the lead field and then they pause I go. But I know.

But I know. I was just about to offer you a cup of piss water, but okay. I get it. You don't do it. Well, it's listen, nothing that was built there before had a seawall.

Previously, there's zero seawall. Right. And everyone is on a septic system. Right. And by the way, the thing that I'll tell you what hurts the floor and the fauna and the ocean.

It's a fire that burns everything in the ground. And then mud slides where everything that was up on the hill, including burnt out Prizes and foam mattresses and sofas and carpeting, all slides down the hill into the bay. That's bad. Much worse than a leach field.

But isn't it interesting that the degree to which we're willing to mitigate automotive fatalities allows for 35,000 deaths? Yes. But the degree to which we're determined to mitigate an environmental problem is zero. And that's where we're out of whack.

We have elevated the environment to so far above the value of human life. Yes. But we're still having the conversation. As if, well, let's not really talk about how that happened. But it's not much different than saving a dog from drowning instead of the 10-year-old kid.

You know, it's your dog and you love the dog and you don't know the 10-year-old kid. And so now there's a value judgment.

“Do you save your dog that you love or do you save that kid?”

Well, there's another element here which is, you know, in the car metaphor. You go, well, a roll cage and fuel cell with a bladder and a fire for the pressure system. And fire suit and everything. You know how much I told you the camera would cost that. And then they go, you don't think the rich guy from Malibu can afford a camera even if it's $500,000.

And it's like, yes, he can afford it. It doesn't mean you should do this. And by the way, once you take this mindset and bring it, we do, right, we go. We're suggesting homeless for the housing. These are 400 square foot bachelor apartments, 950,000 per unit.

We got to that price.

How did that price get to that price?

“Because you guys were acquired so much more than what was practical or feasible.”

It can't be built. And there's no economic system that I'll support it. And the people who build it, they moved to Texas and they just go, I don't want to deal with this. Right. So that's what you get.

And that's why we get it. So all this stuff under the name of safety is really grinding everything to a halt. And there is literally that one foundation you saw is the only construction going on in the entire PCH. That's it.

There's no other. Just one. And it's for that reason. And you say, we want a fast track this. Again, even if you fast track it, if it takes 3,000 cubic yards and basically you're building a launch pad for NASA,

which is essentially what they're going to end up building. So we have to do a one-foot slab on top of all those K-sons with grade beams, by the way, in between. I mean, there's a lot more to go. It's not practical. It's not feasible and people aren't going to do it and know they're not going to rebuild.

And they do this little kind of word play thing, which is, yeah, we'll give you a permit to do something you can never do.

“Don't you think about, like, that's what I meant earlier about why California feels so consequential to me for the country,”

because if that attitude that exists in, you know, the community supervisory, what do you call me? Like, like, the tyranny of the small government, like we, all the headlines are about, you know, DC. But the real, like, the real action is here. And, like, how would we ever be able to convert our domestic manufacturing capability into a wartime footing with this kind of thought? How would we rise to any occasion that we've historically risen to if the most important thing is to keep the septic thing from leaching?

And if we're okay forcing people to just squeeze through hoop after hoop after hoop after hoop after hoop? Yeah, well, I think we proven that we can't because we had all of these mechanisms in place. And I was friends with Suzanne Summers and Alan Hamill, and they lived in Malibu on the ocean, and they loved it, and they had a home there for many, many years. And I don't know, maybe 96 or somewhere, it burned down. And then they went to rebuild. And they loved living in Malibu, but when they tried to rebuild, by the way, you know, it's, it's another thing too.

It's, it's kind of cruel to have someone's home burned down, and then really not let them rebuild. You know what I mean? It's not like, I go, I, I'm going to open a brothel. The Speakeasy on the roof, and they could go, okay, no, no, we're going to slow roll that up. But this is your family's home burned to the ground, because of their negligence, by the way, it burned to the ground, because of the government not managing the forestry and so on and so on. And then they want to rebuild it at their own expense, and they won't let them do it, which is cruel at the end of the day.

So Alan Hamill and Suzanne Summers, who adore Malibu, and who would come back from Palm Springs to stay at a hotel in Malibu, every chance I got, went through about six years of trying to pull a permit, coastal commissions, just kept telling them to pound sand. And eventually they went, we're too old for this shit. We can't spend our golden years arguing with the coastal commission, who won't let us rebuild.

And as a million hoops to jump through that no one could ever satisfy. So they move out.

“And there is no rebuild. And I was always kind of aware of that, but you're talking about a wartime situation, how would we react?”

Would we react? Would we? Well, this is a nice simulation. Everything burned to the ground. Trump came into town a week later, and he said, we need to hurry. This is unfair to these people. We need to fast track this thing. This is was supposed to be a war simulation. We, this is our extraordinary circumstances. Many homes lost, many families displays. And now, like in wartime, we're going to fast track this stuff, and we'll be building liberty ships at the count of, you know, one every 40 hours. If we can fast track this stuff and tell the unions to back off a little in wartime. Well, this is it. This is wartime. And I think we got our answer.

To your point, if that's not splat, what are you waiting for? Like what other calamity could possibly, I mean, there's nothing left but war, right?

Anyway, maybe some of what's going on to an national level is we're just not a terribly sympathetic part of the country, you know, oh, the millionaires lost their houses. There's a damper. Definitely element of that. Yeah, but all to denies a different story.

“Great. And then if you go the other extreme, what was the, that train derailment? Palestine?”

Oh, right. East Palestine? Right. That's not on anybody's vacation brochure, right? We managed to ignore that hell out of them too.

Yes. You know, how squeaky does the wheel have to be? Will we assign a lot of value? I mean, good looking person dies. It's a tragedy. A good person dies. It's just not as bad, you know? That person, mom, goes missing. Yes, somebody's got to find her because I can't take any more news about that. I don't even, I mean, are we even allowed to kind of not joke about it, but acknowledge the, I mean, what is like 3, 200 kids have been found by ice.

“Found that had previously been just lost in the country during the same period. Yeah. I don't know anybody's name. I don't, where's that kid? Where's the story? Where's the triumphant? We found another one.”

Weird in the priority department. Yes. No disrespect to Nancy Guthrie. But none. She was kidnapped and I don't need an hourly update on it. I hope they find her and I hope she's alive.

And I hope, I have, oh, for all the best, but it's not something I need to hear every day. Don't you, I mean, maybe it's even worse than that. Maybe there's something that really delittarius for the human mind to constantly be told about a circumstance or a situation that you can't do anything to remedy. And if that's just a steady drip drip drip, and that's just one story. Yeah. You think of all, you know, people say, oh, you got to take a break from the news because it's all bad. I don't think it's that it's not that it's bad.

It's that you can't do anything about it. Yeah, it was funny. I was talking to Dr. Drew about this today and I mentioned that I didn't have a take on Nancy Guthrie and I didn't have an Epstein take and I don't have takes on everything because there's stuff I just don't know about and I'm not going to talk.

“I have takes on caseons and foundations and Chuck, not being able to retrieve them from the internet, but I do not have a take on Guthrie's mom being abducted because I have no insights.”

And I worry about people that feel compelled to have a take on everything all the time because you can't be a Swiss army knife all the time. You can't be everything all the time. And I'm perfectly happy to just go, I have no thoughts. I feel like it's sad. I hope they find her. Now I got to get back to talking about foundations. But we see that is a is a sane and rational approach for a true civilian, but you're not a true civilian. You've got the, you know, you got the microphone, you got the cameras, you have an audience.

Do you feel any kind of obligation? I feel very obligated to talk about things. I'm aware of I know about Harkening back to doing our makeshift studio hotel room, fire site chat. I felt compelled and obligated, living in Malibu, probably at the time think of my place was burnt down, construction background, so on and so on and so on. Very compelled. Then there are other subjects like Epstein's list. I just don't know anything about it. I don't know anyone. I've listened to 30 different versions of it. I can't get a straight answer, you're not on it.

It's a part of me. It's like, I mean, what are taking the flight at least, but what's the problem? I used to do this joke. I didn't do it like five times and I felt bad, but I said, I said, the problem with the pedophile accusation is like you go, you see Tom Hanks is names on the thing, and the problem with pedophilia is you go, oh, come on Tom Hanks, he wouldn't know. I mean, I don't like to set, there's that thing and I used to do this joke or I'd go, if you said to me, you're stepped at John, what about it? Could he murder someone? I'd go absolutely not, John's a good guy, he's a gentle soul. And what about could he be an arsonist? No, no, no, what about going to an island with a bunch of models?

I don't know, I don't know what island, but I think it's pacific. My favorite metaphor so far, you kind of glossed over it, but you tell me about Reese's. Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. Yesterday, there was a big article, kind of a scandal, the grandson of Reese bought a bag and ate one and just threw the whole thing in the trash.

Really? And said, this cannot stand, right? So it never mind all the ingredients in the cup, the two that are conspicuously absent are peanut butter and chocolate.

There's not a trace of any of it, really. And so some lawyer at Reese's a very artful rejoinder just said, look, our iconic cups haven't changed at all. Well, no, your iconic ones haven't, but the ones you sell now in the store have. And so this is going to be like, you'll read about it soon, it's like a, it's a thing, but you were comparing the fundamentals, the foundational fundamentals, chocolate, peanut butter is not that complicated. Unless you keep calling the same thing, or if this new thing, you call it the same thing. It kind of looks like a foundation, but it's not made, there's no wood, there's no concrete, there's no rebar, it's all something else and it's unpronounceable.

“And I think something, it's part of the general fraud that's been perpetrated upon us, the ingredients aren't what we thought they were, and we can't even pronounce the stuff that is in it.”

And it all just feels like it's just going off the rails, you know, and that, you know, your vlog is, to me, just feels like an attempt to, you know, put the truth on the label for God's sex.

Yeah, I'll tell you the number one abused word in all ingredients is honey. If you look at honey cough syrup or like honey fix or honey shampoo and go see if you can find honey anywhere. No, the label's got a giant bee on it that's dipped in honey, you turn that thing around, I don't care what it is, if it says honey something on it, there is no honey bunches of oats, there's no honey, there's no honey and anything that advertise is the first word of honey.

“And it's the weirdest is like for cough medicine, it's like honey, vix, whatever, and you look at it, there's zero honey in here. Here's what we're desperate for. I think we just want to hear the truth.”

The best cough drop I ever saw, I forget the name of it, but I bet you got it because it takes a while, but if you Google it, I got the peanut butter thing up there slogan was taste terrible works great. Yeah, smokers with the name like that. It has to be good. It's mason Adams. You should do VL one of these days, but that to me, that's the key right you can't just it can't all be great part of it has to be crap and then if you'd give them the truth about the crap, then you can tell them the good news.

Yeah, I have found, I mean, the thing that I think attracts me to going on to the job sites and now I am touring some of the rebuild sites up in the hills of the palisades inland, another word not touched by the coastal commission and there's houses that are sort of half framed and getting close to getting close to finish and I'm touring the houses and you know, none of it lies. It's just what it is. There's no theory about it. There's no, I have a dream about a house that gets framed, but he's a lovely winning campaign.

Right, it tastes awful and it works. Right, I'll buy that, I'll believe it.

“I think everyone feels that way for some reason, it scares Madison Avenue, it's sort of scares society, like it scares, you know, the people that are selling you stuff, but I happen to like that.”

And they used to do like VW bug used to have campaigns talking about they looked ugly, but they got, you know, got very gas mileage or whatever, like self-deprecation was always good.

I first off self-deprecation is a great quality and it's kind of, it's bygone, you know, like I kind of miss, I was never really good at it. It's just a great thing that we should get back to.

So too far, then it's as artificial as, you know, being void of it totally, but yeah, we had a little bit of it. I did a few of those types of jokes, I would do jokes in the vlog, which, you know, people are sort of, I don't know, I had mixed feelings about it because there's people's houses were burned to the ground and it was kind of joking around, but it was always fun. I found a guy early, and you want to have a look for a joke, but he was, he had, it was everything on PCH, and this guy got jobs, his company cleaning the lots.

Yeah. And he'd go in there and clean these lots out. He's doing the stuff Trump was saying we need to do now. And one of them, the lots would be cleared out, but there is company with plant and American flag in front of the lot.

And I said to the guy, I said, just go along with me on this, and I got my cameraman and I said, the American flag, old glory, this is amazing.

Everything burned, everything burned, but yet this remains the true testament of a country. And these colors won't run amazing, statistically, how could you even think about everything that's gone, but yet old glory still waves. And then he comes up and goes, we put it there this morning. And he nailed the line by the way, which was fun. Do you feel like an obligation to be funny when you're, I mean, just in general?

No, I, I like to have a meaningful conversation.

At some point, when I'm discussing something, I'll use some sort of metaphor or something and someone will laugh,

but I'm not really trying for them to try to paint a sort of peanut butter cup picture, you know.

“And no, I feel like there are times when you're in certain situations where you need to be funny, because that's sort of,”

What the fuck is that? Yeah, totally, 100%. You come, watch me do stand up. I do not get preachy.

Talk about the government.

I just want to be funny, because that's why you bought a ticket, and so I'm going to bludge. And then there's other situations. They're like more conversational, more interesting.

“And I think you should be able to toggle back and forth, you know, between those personas.”

And I also feel like if you are a little more serious, a little more interesting, a little more thought provoking, it'll set up the humor for when it's, when it's time. It's also more about a batting average than it is about times to the trips to the plate, you know. And I, I used to tell people all the time, they used to hear me on Howard Stern, they go, "Oh, I love you on Stern. So funny. How do you do that?" And I go, "I don't say anything, but I don't have anything funny to say. I'll just hang back and let the conversation go."

And if I have some funny, I'll punch it in and then hang back again, but it's the people that feel like they have to get to the plate and swing all the time. They're just, they're going to get some hits, but they're going to have a bad batting average. Yeah, I'm like, just sit back and wait for your pitch.

“Who do you admire? Like who's doing that right now in the, in the zeitgeist?”

I think there's some crazy guys out there, like Shane Gillis, and he's really strong, like he's funny. Not, you know, not everybody's funny. He's funny, Tim Dylan's funny, you know. There's, I'm not a real connoisseur of comedy because I'm sort of a mechanically minded person. And if you, if you'd say, "Well, what do you look at online?" It's like car options, you know, or some guys rebuild the dots in Z car and I want to check it out.

You know, something like, I'm sort of blue-collarly minded and a little less. Let's check out this guy's stand-up special on YouTube, you know? And I'm fine with it. It's just, I do it for living, and when I'm done, I'll put it to you this way. Times have been to a comedy club where I'm not performing, almost zero. Times have walked to that job site, Malibu for free, 2000.

Yeah. So that's where my interests are. That's literally what I'm doing. And I find myself much more interested in monkeying around with building and cars and mechanical stuff than I do in the sort of arts world.

I believe it has to live somewhere in some reality, and depending on the style of your humor. But my humor is sort of a people have to kind of go, "Yeah, okay. Yeah, I know what that is. I've heard of that."

“I believe that, like, for me it's very important that we live in a, "Oh, yeah, I know what he's talking about, and how come, blah, blah, blah."”

And that's to me what sort of building is. It's just kind of a reality and a practicality and a kind of a gravity.

And when I used to build, I would talk to the, it would always be the women who are remodeling the houses.

I never, I never talked to the guys. It would always be the women. And the guy was at work most of the time, and the women were there, and they would say, like, "I want to get rid of this whole wall, and just make one big open expanse, one big great room." And I'd go, "Well, if it's a load bearing wall, then we're going to have to pick up the load." And I'd go, "Put my head and I'd go the choice of running the wrong direction." Yeah, it's a load bearing wall. So then I'd go, all right.

“So we can get rid of the wall, but we've got to put a big header to pick up the choice, the load.”

And then the woman would go, "I don't want a header. I don't want to look at a header. I want to be smooth and flattened all the way down."

Then I'd go, "Well, we could put a header up in the ceiling, we've got to put a post down at some point because it's got to be a smaller header." No, I don't want to post. I don't want to post that. I'd go, "Well, we could put a piece of steel up there, and that'll span it, but that's really expensive." I don't want to pay for that. I'd go, "All right, what you want is a magic wand, so you can affect gravity. I'm giving you these options, and you've got to pick one." And that's that. And you could bring in 10,000 other guys, and they'll tell you exactly the same thing.

So this is where we're at, so we got to figure this out. And that's just kind of my approach to life. Now, I know you don't want to look at a header, and I don't want to look at a header, and you don't want to post, and I don't want to post, but that's it. We don't have a choice. But if you are a general contractor, metaphorically, and you are, and if you're not a subject matter expert, but you're in the decathlon, and you want to be competent at all of these things, I mean, all of that really tracks.

You've done a lot of stand-up. You've written your books, podcasts, thing, and all of it.

“And I, when I think of you interviewing Gavin Newsom, now, that's going to hold up, and that wasn't comedy.”

That wasn't, whatever that was, it suddenly revealed something. And, you know, I wonder what it's like now for people who don't know what I'm talking about. Just give me a real quick synopsis of what happened and when. And then talk about maybe what you think now when you see him, you know, in Europe and elsewhere, doing this thing. It was several years ago, I interviewed him maybe 13 years ago now. And I didn't have any strong opinions about him one where the other before he came in.

I wasn't planning to be an adversarial, but I had some thoughts and corrections that I was looking to impress upon him. And I thought he'd be sort of amenable to some of those thoughts, you know, and there were kind of basic thoughts, which was, I started seeing, I'll give you an example of a sort of basic thought. I would see people in Los Angeles who got into minor fender benders consistently standing in the third lane of the freeway, in the middle of the freeway, in the middle of the traffic, changing information, taking pictures, talking outside the car and creating a giant traffic jam, right? And I would say they're going to get killed. Number one, number two, the car's fine.

It's amazing what a car can do. I've driven that Toyota celebrity Grand Prix five times. I've seen cars completed on three wheels with every time there's a high speed chase.

And at some point the guy's running and it's just sparks coming out. Like you could drag a car, sure, off the, I'm going to pull over to the, to the shoulder, you're going to get killed and you're stopping the freeway. And I started saying, why don't they just put that up on the freeway sign, you know, like we have a little fender better pull, it's the law, pull it over. And people started sending me pictures from like Montana signs by the side of the freeway said, if it steers, it clears. I mean, pull it over, that can't pay. Well, here we are in Los Angeles, the worst traffic in the world.

I know I've been talking about this and I want to get it done and I want to put it whatever. He just looked at me and sort of went, well, I said, in Montana, they have signs to say, I'll get out of here. He thought I was kidding. And then so I said to him, no, it's a big problem and it's just you could put it on the freeway sign and start a campaign. He goes, I saw a sign, I like I saw a sign. It said, you're not in traffic. You are traffic.

And I was like, what's that? What's that mean? I don't know what it means. But I want to alleviate traffic. He was laughing the whole time.

And then later on, he brought up blacks and Hispanics, 50% of them in California don't have access to it checking account.

“When people start butchering the language with the access, like everyone, what do you mean? What's that mean? No access, you know what I mean?”

They would go, hobby, lobby does the nice access to birth control or reproductive health. They don't provide the pill. That's not denied access, right?

Tell people all the time, I have 20 people to work for me. I don't deny them access to lunch. I just don't buy my sandwich. They get their own sandwich. I don't slap it out of their hands.

It's denied access. So he started telling me that 50% which is an insane number of blacks and Hispanics don't have access to a checking account. So I said, what's wrong with them? And he was like, why? And I was like, why are they doing it? Why when they get a checking account? I don't know.

“And he just kept bringing up the problem but never bringing up a fix for the problem.”

And he went in circles and circles and circles for a lot of subjects, a lot of time homeless and everything.

And I realized he had no answers, but he also didn't intend on any answers. And he didn't. I guess what it is is he didn't find it to be problematic that he had no answers to the problems that he brought up. You know what I'm saying? And it didn't bother him at all. He didn't even seem to really recognize it or hear what he was saying. And I kept saying to him, what is wrong? And by the way, he didn't go 50% of blacks and Hispanics, California don't have access to the checking account. So I have an amendment to a bill that will give us mobile checking account vans where we can pull into these cities like the blood mobile and get these people, these under privileged people sign up.

He had nothing. He just kept stating the problem. And then I realized he doesn't know what he sounds like and he's a sociopath like he doesn't really understand anything. It doesn't. It's all a kind of a fake laugh and hair gel and a deep leg cross, which is a thing. They just think cross are like super violently harder. Extraordinary for a man to do and unfazed and unbothered by zero answers and zero remedies with everything is kind of a laugh it off. Oh, you're making a joke. And I'm like, I'm serious. People get killed standing in the middle of the freeway. They should move their cars.

Yeah, that's all he does. He doesn't say, huh, I didn't thought about that, but you're right. That's a good idea. We should just put it up on the sign and make people aware of it. They go pull over. He doesn't say anything. He told me that the homeless, I said to him 13 years ago, I said, the homeless are junkies who are schizophrenic. They're mental issues and they're addicted to drugs. And that's who's on the sidewalk. And he said, He said, how about the true face of homelessness? And I said, who's that? And he said, oh, he said, the true picture of homelessness. I said, who's that? So it's a mother of two full-time job, minimum wage, just got divorced, got put out with their kids.

I said, that's nobody. Let's nobody. By the way, you want to not solve a problem, then don't mislabel a problem or don't diagnose a problem.

“There's no chocolate or peanut butter in his point. Right. And that's what it is. He labels something something else and then moves on.”

And the homeless problems got a lot worse last 13 years. The homeless problems got a lot worse because he diagnosed it as a mom with a full-time job, which is kind of worse. Right. That's how he diagnosed it. So I mean, just staying on that issue for a minute. There was 13 years ago how many billions have been spent in California?

Well, if you walked in a house and someone decided it was termite infested and then the guy said, I think it's because it's haunted.

“And then the lab, well, that's not really going to solve the termite problem. Is it even misdiagnosed what's going on? You have the termite part, right?”

But you might get a show on the travel channel. Tent that house. Yeah. Tent it.

Well, you look, I think of the high speed rail. I think of the fires. I think of homelessness. And then I read the profile and was at Vogue the other day, which is just amazing.

I just watched yesterday in real time. I think he, I forget who was in front of, but it was a large assemblage of black people. And he said, I have a, like a 980 on my SAT, but I can't read either. Yeah, you know, he did some form of dyslexia. And he's, he's getting lit up for it, because I think he said, I'm just like you. Yeah, 960, I think. 960, right? But I was around counting.

Yeah. But I mean, so look, he survived the exchange with you 13 years ago. He survived all of these things.

“He doesn't really fully understand it. And I can tell you that, you know, sometimes you have to sort of get in the ring with somebody to really feel their power or lack thereof.”

You know, I mean, you can't just watch him on TV, right?

They're boxing ballots, you know, you have to really kind of experience it. I'm sat in a room for an hour and a half with him, listening to him, try to answer questions, and he doesn't track. So there's something missing. Like I would say, you know, with a lot of people when they go, oh, what do you think Adam Schiff? I go, ah, that liar. That guy's lawyer bullshit artists. But, and you can say, well, what do you think about AOC? And I go, she's a narcissist with a 10 cent head.

But you go, what do you think about Gavin Newsom? I go, some's wrong with him. That's plain and simple for me. And not for me. I'm telling you reliably, something is wrong with him. And when you see him, sort of do what he does, that's what you're seeing. But you're only seeing it on TV. You're not smelling as musk. Yeah. He's nutty musk when you're in the studio with him.

Chuck Google nutty musk. Yeah. I just make it not musk. It's just when it comes up. I know we got to land the plane here soon.

“But, I mean, is there like a scenario where you even consider running for some kind of elected office?”

No, but I'm flattered that people tell me that. You're on list time. You're on list. I guess. Again, it sounds so far away from my version of myself that lives in my head. Yeah. Yeah. Like Adam Crawl of our governor sounds insane to me. But on the other hand, riding a book is pretty far away from the version of my life from your, I mean, look, it's all insane. I totally get that it's all insane.

But this one seems totally insane. But I would be very good at it because I would approach it like we're on the job site. Yeah. Yeah.

There's what we're going to do and here's what I'm not going to do and here's what it works.

And there's a kind of pragmatism that is missing from what we're talking about. And it can be found on the farms and in the barns and on the job sites. It kind of a brass tax pragmatism that is missing. The blue or the state gets the more that enzyme is missing. You know, it needs some ranchers and some hunters and some folks that put things together.

Did you see Farid Zikarius thing? Yes, I did. On Mondami. But yes, and New York in general, would you think and bully the states in general? In jet. Well, blue cities. Oh, blue cities, yes. But what he did, he kind of left the door open for a comparison between blue and red cities. But I like, can you think of a red city?

That's a good point. Yeah. There's a red states, but not so much red cities. Right. And I think, you know, the point of managing a population, it's kind of the line to me is interesting between well. Are you managing a city or are you managing? Well, I can say to some degree they're surprisingly a couple of orange county cities that in the California that could be considered red in the way they sort of conduct themselves.

They have, there's some little bastions, and you can tell because if I go to the Irvine Improv, which I, you know, performed quite a few times over the years, when I'm driving out of L.A.

“And I'm on the five freeway, and I'm looking at damn nation alley with hobos wandering in circles and graffiti everywhere and garbage everywhere.”

And it's some point, the road opens up, and the pavement smooths out, and the garbage in the homeless go away, and the graffiti goes away. And I look around, I go, I guess we're in Orange County now, but we've literally, there's a palpable difference. When you're driving, it hits you pretty hard, because it just, set all of sudden, everything is changed.

And so there are certain cities that are, at least, run, reddish, even if they're not completely red, but I, 127 billion dollars for a budget, more than Florida.

More than Florida, more than Thailand. Right, more than Greece. Right, yeah, it's insane, but the thing that's insane about it is there's a bravado to it, which is kind of, it's kind of, it's really nervey. It's a bravado, because what it's saying is, as you go, look, you guys spend more money than the country of Greece and the state of Florida.

Okay, and you're going to go up to the podium and say you want more money, and people need to pay their fair share, and we're going to tax this group in that group.

“Is there any part of you that thinks about reeling it in a little bit in the spending department, and then why is that off the table?”

Like, why is that a non-starter?

Because you can either tax people more, or you can spend less, and you'll end up in the same place.

It's the same difference, but throw in 5% of that population. Left, right, right. Right, I mean, that's a lot of people, and you can kind of hide that kind of big, crazy number with big, crazy numbers of people. But the number of people who are leaving is on the rise, so that just means your budget's higher, and now fewer people have to pay more. And it's just, I mean, watching Farid talk about this was, I thought it was really instructive, because he, he didn't enjoy talking about it.

But at least he, like he told us the truth in the ingredients, like he was talking about real chocolate and real peanut butter, I thought, you know. Yeah, it was refreshing his candor. Yeah.

“And I think that's his brother's name, by the way.”

Candor's a card now. So I liked it, and yeah, when people on that side of the aisle are speaking that way, that should be a sobering moment to those guys. And also, there should be some element of sort of humility that they don't seem to have, which is you are spending a grotesque amount of money. This is an impossible scenario, and you're going to have to try to re-engineer what you're doing here.

And there never seems to be that sort of come to Jesus moment.

It's just lots of posturing about needing more money. I just think, you know, the photo that Chuck finally found and good work Chuck. That's the ultimate. I mean, your point was you can't go backwards. You know, if they won't go backwards, if you're going to put in the barbecons or you're going to put in the caseons,

and you put in five, you're never going to put in four. It's not going to be six. Everything's got to go, big, big, big bigger. You really in order to really like fully appreciate this. For me, I did it for living for several years, a decade or more.

But then I got in a show business, and I didn't do it for a long time. And then at some point, some years later, I like came back to it because I was doing some projects on my own, and I was pulling permits. And, you know, I was talking to the engineer and I was like, oh, we got to build the sheer wall here. And I'm going, all right, okay, two by fours, four by fours, and number four.

And they go, no, no, six by six, two by six. And I go, no, no, no, that's not how you build the sheer wall. I know what the specs are. I've done a, you know, half inch plight, no, no, three quarter inch plight. I know the nailing schedule is six on center.

No, no, it's three on center. I go, what's, what happened? What happens? I laid off for seven years. And the codes, sure, kept moving. You step away and then you reintroduce yourself and it's completely insanely over.

This is no way they need this. You know, they need that. Oh, they have the pads on each side, but they need a bond beam to time together. I don't really need a bond beam. We got the pads on the, like, no, no, that's, you know,

and you're like, that's the new coat, that's the new coat.

And so, no, they never repeal anything.

They just keep adding things on. And there is a cottage industry that springs forward from all that gets added on. And then those people have lobbyists. So, you know, we now have more bureaucracy in the teachers unions and we have teachers, right?

I mean, there's more office workers than there are coaches and teachers and, you know, boots on the ground. That number just keeps growing and growing and growing because it becomes a Leviathan. It becomes its own sort of machine.

And then they get political cloud. And then you try to strip them and make them lean and mean. And whatever.

“And then they go, remember who got you into office.”

And then the political will goes away. This is why people say it's got to go splat. Yeah. And I don't know what it means. But the country ought to be paying attention to California.

I agree. I'm glad you are, man. I really, it's just it's, I'm glad I know you too. You were very kind years ago invited me on back in the dirty jobs days. Said some nice things about me.

You know, in fact, you were like, you know, I really admire your career. Like I love the fact that you're out there, like doing a show that felt.

I'm always amazed in this industry.

You know, I got a call one time from Patrick Gordon. Orbert. He's hard to say. But I was like, you know, I've been watching dirty jobs. He's a good dude.

He sure seems like. Oh, he has. And he had an idea.

“He was like, what if you and I were just to go through like nap of Ali?”

You liked it then on sideways. Only just as us. Just, you know, drink and wine and hang it out. It's like, is that a show? I'm like, yeah, I guess it could be.

But I'm thinking, you know, your buddy, you're killing it on side-feld. You're the tick. You're like all these things. And he's looking at dirty jobs

and finding something that he, that he envied. You know, something that's different. And, you know, I guess we all do that. You know, like I envy your career a lot. I'm happy with mine.

But it's always interesting to see how people turn out

after 30 years. Yeah. If doing what they do. Well, thanks. Listen, I see you and I go, oh, man.

That's what I should be doing. Yeah. Because I love the work. And one thing, I do want to say to you specifically on that subject.

“And all, you know, I know that all the vocational training”

and all that sort of bring back shop class near and dear to your heart. I say all the time, you go up and down PCH as I do. It is littered with people working. Now, it's all, it's all road work. They're all doing road work.

They're not building any houses, but it's all road crews. And then I go up the hill and I walk on the job sites and it's all these crews. I see crews everywhere. I do not see one black face. I only see Hispanics.

And I've said for a million years, can somebody go down to the inner city and find these kids that are on a bad path that are heading for gangs or heading for worse and get a hold of them and go, there's good money to be made. There's dignity.

There's pride. There are two years away from it. You're 17. You've been suspended five times. You're not going to be a rapper.

We don't need to expose you to music. We don't need to take it to your museum. You need to trade, man. And there's plenty of work to be done. You know the pitch better than anybody.

But could somebody go down there and get to these people and tell them, because I don't see one of them working. And then this entire vista, and I passed hundreds of guys every single day and not one person from the inner city. Well, the answer is yeah, but nobody whoever won an election.

In Baltimore, there's an organization. You would love called Project Jumpstart. And these guys, this is the construction industry who basically threw up their hands and said, we can't find apprentices.

We're really in a world of hurt. So they set up this pre-apprenticeship program through the inner city. So some guys come and add a jail. Some guys about to go in. You know, all at risk, and they went in there.

through this pre-apprenticeship program.

And it had consequences. Like you could screw it up. You're late. Like they would give you a stipend. But if your late, they'll take money.

Shirts untucked. Cell phone goes off. All that, you know, their consequences.

“Bottom line, it was not involved at the time anyway”

with any kind of local taxes. And it was vibrant. And I mean, the stories. I mean, guys who, you know, electricians make 140 grand a year who were out of, out of cards.

All right. I mean, the exact kid you're talking about. So yeah, LA could do that. They could absolutely do it. But I wouldn't know what elected official to turn to.

It's going to take private industry.

I've never heard it come out of anyone's mouth.

But someone should have said. Altadena's burned to the ground. Palsai's burned to the ground. Malibu's burned to the ground. I don't need a bunch of people coming in from Oklahoma to pick up the pieces.

We have tons of strong young people.

“It doesn't take that long to figure out how to pull some romance”

through some studs or whatever. It's not. It's not rocket science. It's experience. And it's hands on.

But it's just. You can do it in a year.

And then you can get on a job site.

You'll, by the way, you're on a job site. Eight, ten hours a day every day. You learn real fast real fast. Right. And three years.

And now this guy should be twenty twenty one. And they'll be making good money. And they'll have dignity and pride. And since it's a purpose and all that, somebody just go, let's do this. And it never heard.

“I've never heard a word for many, but he ever.”

I look man. I mean, maybe we ought to do it. All right. I've been bitching about it for a long time. I'm glad you stopped by.

Sorry, it led into this. Giant. Life changing. Promise. Made in front of three cameras.

But yeah, let's do it. Overall. Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

Yeah. Really appreciate you coming by now. Thanks Mike. Always appreciate. Yeah.

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