#645 - Chris Robinson

one on Friday and two on Saturday evening. A few tickets are still available at theovon.com/TOUR practice and preparing for my Netflix special. So, grateful to be down there in the great state of Florida. Today's guest is a musician. He's a founder of the legendary rock band The Black Crosse. He has a new album called A Pound of Feathers that comes out March 13th. I cannot even believe today's guest is Mr. Chris Robinson. And I like I don't mind being decrepit a little

bit, you know what I mean? It's kind of arts. He's a little bit Tim Burton-esque. Oh, I'm kind of proud that I've survived 59 winters. Yeah. Oh, I can't imagine what you're with your life I bet. Did you

feel like when you were young like I'm never going to live long and then as you've grown, you're like,

well, I guess I'm, I don't, you know what? It's so funny because I'm not afraid of the theme at all and of course, I never really, I mean, no, I didn't really, I've never really thought about it. I adhered to, you know, the French artist Young Cocktail, you know, he was. He's very, if you ever seen the original movie Beauty and the Beast, the Black and White one with the hand, he directed that film. He was a French artist, intellectual young Cocktail. Yeah, a very important figure in the

20th century in art. And I subscribed to something that he said and he said, living as a horizontal fall. So he did that. Do you shit out? When I read that about 35, 36 years ago, I was like,

“that's it. I mean, what else do you need to know? I mean, it was like perfect, philosophical”

yeah, that's a line. Sometimes I get so jealous when you hear somebody that said something or that wrote something, you know, not jealous, but also, I guess I used to get more jealous. Now, I think I just get grateful that I got to hear it or read it. Of course, of course, that's what it's all about. I mean,

there's, there's a million things to inspire, you know, and I think I think it's really sad if you

get to a point and it could be anything. Just whatever, I have a lot of varied interests, you know what I mean? So I'm constantly like interested in stuff and the world is just information, you know what I mean? Because I'm dyslexic as well, I just process it in a different way, but it's that's why I have been in a fucking rock band my whole life. That's what it'll lead you there, you're saying. Yeah. Oh, yeah, if your brain is just freaking doing no, not for whatever. Every, every artist I know,

“yeah, it's like, that's why we found our way to this and the success part or whatever, that kind of”

aspect of it is just whatever. Yeah. I mean, that's what either happens or doesn't happen. Yeah, I read somewhere that you, um, like you have like a, I don't know if it's a fascination,

but like about the first line of a song or a, um, like, whenever you mention that thing about

Mr. Cocktoe, it made me think about that. Like how the first line is so important. Yeah, it's well, it's funny that you, I did say that. I've said that because, you know, lyrics are the, the writing songs was the first thing I thought I could do. Do you know what I mean? So I was like, I was, that's what I was into. Yeah. That was my interest poetry and right, you know, that was something that I felt. I had maybe I could get into this.

Was it a music, for like, you were just singing poetry and they're just, poetry first. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because the music part came a little later when, while I was kind of like, fuck, you know, like we're going to see like hardcore bands in Atlanta in the early '80s at like punk rock, Matt Nash, I was in stuff. Because that's the shit we could go see because I wasn't really interested in my MTV and kind of those same stuff. We were just

different. My brother, too. That kind of led to the whole world of, oh, there's like all this

“other shit going on, but it's not on TV or it's not on the radio. You have to really dig and find”

it and then you see some other kid in like a fucking circle jerks teacher to something and you're like, let's go talk to that guy. What's going on there? Yeah. Which the world is still the same way. I think you meet the people you're supposed to meet and has nothing to do with

I think you come close. You meet fucking people because you guys are people are on a certain wavelength. There's a real human wavelength that's still happening in the universe even though so many of us are sideline on our devices though. It's almost like you're on the sidelines in your news. It's not as if it's by design too. I don't really wander into those realms so much. I'm too busy with Mr. Cocktail. Just kidding. Do you have like once I read that you said that I was like,

oh yeah, I was trying to think of them. Oh, the first line thing. What that dictates to put the yeah, we're like, okay, if that first thing to me is something like I could, in a super visualization, open up a page and see it. And then if that would be something that if I could capture something in imagination or feeling or where those two things come together in the first few words of the song. Yeah. That's, you know, and I find my, I like that with songs too.

Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm not going to wait till the third verse for some good words. Yeah, a tickle you a little. Yeah, you want to take on my front like, uh, uh, what's a Johnny guy that Johnny, I heard myself. Yeah. That one. The trailer. Yes. Yes. Oh, my friend was just acted. They just went to see non-ish nails last night. Actually, he was sending me videos. They were here last night. No, they were in New Orleans. Oh, New Orleans. Oh, that's right. That's right. He just went.

Wow, I saw that. My wife and I went to see them and Brooklyn over the summer. It was like a crazy week of like fucking gigs because we got there and corn and system of a downward playing. So we

went to that and I've never seen shit like that and I was fucking amazing. We put that watch with

he playing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that was the gig where a guy was like jerking off in the stand. It's like, oh, in Brooklyn. Now, this is it at the stadium. What's it called? Met life stadium. Oh, yeah. It was all over the internet. It was a guy. I didn't jerking off. And then there he is. That's a trap beat. Oh, that's definitely a way. He's really upset at that point of the, but a guy runs away like smacks him. I was at that gig, but I was on the floor. So I had nothing to do.

Oh, we were down there in the reception. Maybe he was looking at me right there. You'd ever know. Oh, that's been just serving a little bit of body butter. That dude's making his own bending machine. I really like this guy's had enough of him as well. But one up and he hit a guy who's

“jerking off his hands. Same though. Unless maybe he's a, that's what he wanted. He couldn't really get”

it together unless he got punched in the back of the skull. This is, this plan all along. Wow, this guy's really on to something. Wow. I'm so glad I can get off easier than that. Was that that show?

I was at night. It's nails. And then we went to Oasis. Oh, amazing, huh? Yeah. It was a great week.

But I tell you the nine inch nails was unbelievably good show. I mean, it was so theatrical, so visual. It was, it was, it was also like a real human part. I mean, I was just so impressed. Yeah, I heard the effects on this tour is supposed to be pretty amazing. Did it just kick off? No, this is the second half of it, right? Yeah. Yeah, they did half of it last year. Yeah, I haven't got to talk to my friend. He's seen like four videos last night though. So it's

pretty cool. Just having moments from our childhood, you know, that you should just like, and for like 30 seconds, each time I was like back in these moments where you're like feeling something, you know, yeah. Well, I've got that's, I see some concerts now are less phone driven than they

“used to be. I mean, people want to be there more. I think so. I think you're right. And I think it's funny”

when you see like when it's juxtaposed with like the, if you see some footage from like concerts before phones and everyone is focused on the same fucking thing. And it's really, you know, about some other sort of interaction. Yeah. And you'd have a, you don't must have a like a, it was like you were riding a wave during a concert. Like you find somebody that had a beer emotional. Yeah. And like then you connect with a girl, but she disappears. And then you're like,

oh, wait, I'm here with my wife. And then that's their concert where every, I mean, they were, it was a different thing. I mean, they can still have magical moments. You know, people can still be involved. Yeah. But your friend would go off to get like, and then somebody would go off to get beverages.

And you would never see it like that person. Yeah. They were gone. Never saw them since. Yeah.

Oh, dude, dude, there was just something about experience is like that. There was something about like, like, I always feel like the best music was during my childhood. But I don't know if that stunts my appreciation for music as an adult. You know, it is. I don't think it's about it being the best

“music. I think my wife and I were talking about this because she's like an anthropologist when like,”

when she sees like some teenagers like sitting on the sidewalk smoking cigarettes,

but I think like, let's, you know, I'll do the drawings. But I think what it is and we talk about it is when you're a teenager or you're an adolescent, you're so alive in a different way for the first time from the childhood alive to like this. Oh, this now my, the way the world feels to me is going to be something different. And when that music comes, it's like fucking imprinted on like this fresh. You know what I mean? There's no, no one is swollen at that age before that you're kind of pulping.

“And this is like that. It's like the first time you're here, but it makes sense. You know what I mean?”

Because I'm now. I feel that. I mean, I'm lucky that I'm not in this stall, Jack. I don't really care about this stall. Oh, you don't get into that. It doesn't make me things are the way they are when they're happening. And yes, there could be an aspect of something like, oh, I remember when I first heard that record, but I don't listen to like a record like, I don't know, it could be anything. Even if it was from the 80, I don't know, something like, let's active. There's a band from North Carolina,

Mitch Easter. Let's active. Yeah. Loved. Let's act. Bring them up. I want to see them. Yeah. And but if I hear that, I'm like, I'm not back in my my mom and dad's house. I'm like, oh, listen,

how cool like a tar sound. You know, music is always made in a live. The room, wherever I am.

Does it, yeah, it's funny. Because a lot of music, I think I immediately go back to place. I'm like an astounded junkie. I'm like, I'm like a romanticist. Like, let's go back in time, kind of guy. And I think I miss out on probably a lot of like life and present moments sometimes like that, but I don't know if I'm up that upset about it. Maybe that's just who I am on this trip. No, I mean, I don't think that's necessarily, yeah, I mean, I mean, that's also just dreaming.

Yeah, maybe I mean, I love, I just love, I like, I think I just loved some of those music. I mean, you're kidding. If I could like, if I could dress like a, you know, 17th century French aristocrat, I would, you know, I'd walk around with the wig that the like pants and I would, like, you know, oh, yeah, and I would feel great about it. I mean, I would feel great about it. That's a little, yeah, but if they had chain mail, like, we showed up to, like, say there was going

to be people like there might be beef at this thing. Yeah, I mean, I think there was kind of always

“beef. Yes. That's what I want to do. Yeah, so somebody showed me chain mail was just like a”

dude, like we showed up with the richest, most powerful people are the most unhinged. Obviously, they were like, run him through, run him through. I think we're there now, dude. I don't think it's ever been any different. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I also think the resistance is always there. Yeah. I also think, you know what I mean? I also think the moral compass will always show the way to what is right and what is wrong. And that doesn't have anything to do. That's

just a fundamental, we know what's right and wrong. Yeah. You know what I mean? And you believe that. Yeah. I do because I see it happen. I mean, by the way, sometimes it doesn't come without a full on struggle. Yeah. Because I've been worrying about that a lot recently. I'm like, you have to, like, like, like, we got to believe that moreality wins, you know, somehow. Yeah. No. But, but, but again, these things are in a constant sort of struggle that keep going

and going. I mean, forever. I mean, I know we like to think that you know, it's all now. Yeah. It's like, all our life that life was, you know, there was Victorian people and then crocks and airports. You know what I mean? But there's some other shit that happened in between your comfort

“and, you know, robber bands or whatever. But there's a constant line in it. You know what I mean?”

And so I don't know. What did they say? What's that Clint Eastwood movie where the grit? No, it's one of, but it's like a mid 70s one. But the guy who plays like the native American guy, he, when they're talking about the trouble, he goes, we must endeavor to persevere. And ever since I was a kid, I was like, yeah, oh, it's the outlaw Jesse Wales. That's the one.

All I've heard of that I've never seen it. Oh, it's great. Is it great? Yeah.

I'm up to check that out, man. The outlaw Jesse will, Josie Wales. Josie Wales. Yeah. And they just remade it, I think, actually. No, don't do it. I know. Rarely of it, really have they done it well. That's weird. Why? Leave it alone. Just come up with something else. I think it's just to get people that saw it once with nostalgia to go get them to, hey, come pay for it one more time. And just, you know, you know, it's not going to be that good, but there's a party that's going to connect.

I don't really love musicals, but I love West Side story. Yeah, Alex newsies. I was there,

Crumpke song. When the kid goes, I'm depraved on a kind of, I'm depraved. And I was like, that's like fucking Bob Dylan. You know, I'm depraved. I only can't, and I'm depraved. I mean, it is one of the great lyrics of all time, but then Steve Spielberg remakes West Side story. I don't get it. I want it. I mean, he didn't call me. He didn't ask what you're opinion, but you know, I mean, I'm sure, you know, that's Steve. He's going to do what he wants to do.

Yeah, man. Yeah, I wonder if I had made something wonderful.

“Would I try and remake it later on? Like, I wonder what my desire would be in that?”

I mean, that, I don't, yeah, I wouldn't, I don't understand that. Is there times like in your career where you've written like music that you really thought was greater that had commercial successes or something? And then later, have you ever, like, been like, I need to try and get myself back into that space to write music like that again, instead of trying to be like, I'm writing music from, from where I'm at? No, it makes sense.

Yeah, I hear you, but I'm not, I've always found it to be, I don't know. I've always

wanted to be the most sort of fulfilling just to be in the moment, you know, which is difficult too, because, you know, it's hard, you know, it's hard to, I, it's hard to remain in the dream place sometimes.

“It's not hard for me, it's hard for everyone else, because you have to deal, you know,”

I'm a husband, I have kids, you know, I have pets, I have pets, so demanding, so much pressure from the, pets, but the reality is, I can't fully remove myself from the dream place or the muse or whatever you want to call it, because I, I do understand that it's a very jealous entity, and it will leave you. If you're not, it has to have its proper place. What does your saying? The muse, right? I mean, that creative spark, it's like quest for fire, do you know that,

maybe everything, quest for, dude, we have to have a movie night, I mean, you're missing a lot of quest for fire, you're missing. Whoa, the best vest, I look like I'm relate to one of those people. We all are, we all, I mean, I think the first movie I ever saw was either like Jason Voorhees, like the killer guy at the lake, and then there was the movie, it was the, where the guy, the older guy, he has the Coke bottle and he throws in an Africa or whatever. The gods must be crazy.

Yes. Okay, that's a pretty, and she can show me that was an early one too, that was like still kind of popping. Oh, look at this guy. My first movie, I remember watching my parents let me stay up and watch Lord of the flies. Yeah, nothing could be wrong with that kind of fit, you know. It's like cool. You know, like this, and I did, I fucking did. That's crazy, bro. Yeah, that's great, dude. Just like early influence and stuff. I love that kind of stuff. But the first movie I remember,

we, I was saw Patton with George C Scott and the drive on movie theater in my parents' car. No, with them. Do you know that film? You know, because it has that music.

Then I've seen this. I've never seen the film. It's good, too. Oh, my God. It's epic.

Like psycho general Patton. Dude. Yeah, I saw. Oh, psycho George C Scott. Dude, I mean, he's really, I got to tap in then. Yeah, I'm just kind of out of touch with some films. I did just, I started reading all's quiet on the western front last night. That's amazing. And the original, both of the films, the original one is unbelievably good. If you've ever,

“you should watch it. That's the one that they remade that was like on Netflix or something. That was”

great. But that's the original. The remake is good. The remake was fast on the past. Watch the original one first though. Okay. So yourself short. Go to the go to the source. Yeah. But now he was incredible.

It's incredible. Here's a situation where they made another one and it was good. But I guess it's not

like a part two though. No. And you're right. That is it. That is it. They did a good. I loved it. I loved the modern one. But the original one is to me a hold like the real magic of the thing. Okay. I did see the jury. What's that movie? The jury. It's like 12 angry man. Yes. It's a big one. Louis C. K told me to watch. He was right dude. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. So that's it. I appreciate the recommendations. I don't get a ton like I'm lucky because I'm old enough that when and you know,

I grew up in Atlanta. We had three channels and then we had channel 36 or whatever and TBS and they

But when when there wasn't that, there was there's not that much content. You know, so there wasn't much at all. Be a masterman when that came on on TBS food. Be a master. They got those fair. That's it years. That's right. The fair it. Remember this dude? That was crazy.

“Some white guy from WWE F. Take on a couple of pets. Dude. I was like, what is going on?”

Yeah. Really, all those fantasy movies are really strange. Dude, I love the times like that. We were right our bikes. You'll get the videos at the video store and they had like those wild West doors on like the titty area. You know that watch it. I'm a product of like the early 80s, you know, VHS boom. And my parents had moved. They had made the regretful decision to move to the suburbs. Uh, that's the worst blow in life. You know what I mean?

And it landed you move from the city to the suburbs. Well, we had moved to Charlotte and then when we moved back, yeah, we were in town and then we moved to the sub. But my parents also, this is at the exit. The right time of them really being too disinterested in my life to like edit what I was doing. So it was the great time at these stores of like the midnight movies and European movies. You don't know what I mean. And I had the fucking pick of whatever weird

shit we wanted to watch. Like, I remember my dad seeing us watching a racer head back then. He's just like, why are you doing this to yourself? What is wrong with you? I'm like, Dad, it's maybe we would watch it soon. We would watch David Lynch is the elephant man like, oh, yes, all the time. You know, I read like it's not a, it's not a luck. This isn't a one time like this. We would like play again. You know what? Where you like an angry child like where do you

because like music usually comes from like some feeling of youth. I feel like like a lot of that blast off energy does like real music like real like, you know, like whether you're going to become a musician or like a anarchist or a peeping time. That shit comes out of your childhood. You know, do you feel like life and art? Yes. Yes. Fuck yeah. Vandalism and art. Yeah. Yeah. There was

“the bad kid part of it. And I think that's always been associated with rock and roll at least in”

our case, because we just gravitated. That was our shit. Like we were into music. So now we're in a band and let's go, how do we get into grown-up club to play? You know, we were kids, you know, how do we get in there? It's like, well, get right some songs, you know, get better and get

up there and do something. And but it was, yeah, always the bad. Will you brother the same

I know, because he was not a bad kid. I mean, he kind of is bad and he was down from vandalism and shit, too. But he's not as bad down for vandalism. Yeah. That has to be going his head still when they're if he ever passes down for vandalism and shit. Occasionally, sorry, to admit it. You know, it gets like more, you've ready to need another stone. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dude, that'd be great. Two stones because you're just because yet there's a little more to tell about them. People don't get buried

anymore though. Yeah. Did you see that stat that like they're like, where are all the bodies going? Yeah. Well, I mean, they're throwing them in Lake Lanier or something. I don't know much. Yeah. Where are the ashes going? I want to take me out to the top of Stone Mountain. I don't want to throw my ashes all over those Confederate fuckers up there, right? Dude, one of my friends works at TSA. He said that I was like, what's some of the things that have been left in the thing? He said four times if

had people that left somebody's ashes and never came back to get him. Where's Uncle Larry? Oh,

he's at a layover. What? I ask you to go pick up your Uncle Races here. Your Races Uncle Seth's ashes. What are you doing? Am I fucking left him on the plane? Buck there in Salt Lake City. Yeah. God.

“But that's why I'll throw that it ends up like that. I came online, probably like as a human”

and maybe just like my brother listening to stuff like DO, GNR, Black Crow's one of the early albums that he had, you know, watching him like move his body, our family could never dance well. And he would kind of like, and we shared a room, you know? And sometimes he would set his weights down and fucking put it on and make me watch him kind of, which was the first time he and I ever like, kind of being a human man. I'm going to put my weights down and I'm going to bug you a little bit.

I mean, cool with that. That's never happened to me. It was kind of crazy. But it was like,

no, I want, this is more of my, I'm going to take down his badminton set. Then we're going to have some canopies. And then you're going to all watch me dance. Yeah,

Yeah, he just like, yeah, but that was like when I first kind of came on with music and like watching

“it do my brother and that's funny. That was the way a lot of people got, you know, I didn't,”

I wouldn't have known about like my dad. My dad had like Johnny Guitar Watson records, Jimmy Reed records, and Bob Dylan made a lot of Mose Allison and all sorts of eclectic stuff, but more kind of stuff. But my neighbor up the street, his older brother, he had like all the aerosmith records and kids. So we would like, and his mom was a dance teacher. So she had a stereo with this big loud speaker on it and we would get down there and

fucking, that's where I was like, oh, I like aerosmith, you know, dude. Yeah. ACDC, because that's the time you're around the neighborhood pool, you know, so you don't have the pool to be like back in black when that shit came out. It was on the radio every five minutes. You know what I've made it, you were like, damn. Dude, you remember when the radio was like this moment and if it served you, you're song, it was just it felt like the pain of it going off just for you. It was exciting.

Oh, and we all had it in common. That was one thing, too. That was one thing that I liked about. And you think all the records were good, but it was really just a promo guy getting like hookers and like stanks and lobsters to the radio program direction. If you're like, fucking play this record, you'll get a BJ out of this. You know what I mean? Like, all right, a fucking love this record.

“Oh, dude, guys, I was like, back my turn over drive, but he went better. You know what?”

If they have such a mix of them. If you like, if you like BGL, you're going to fucking love these guys. Whoa. Yeah, dude. Oh, there's so many of those radio stations. I worked as a tour manager one time for a guy for a musician. And we would go to this guy Josh Kelly actually. He's out of Georgia as well. He's from Augusta, Georgia. His brother Charles Kelly played with Laney and a bell him. And, but we would, I was as tour manager. So we would just go all around to these radio stations

and I have to get them like doughnuts and stuff in the morning and coffee, but you're right. They'd be like at 11 o'clock today. We're having lobsters like it's like listening, listening for lobster. And you'd have like just some muppet show up. Snow tires. You know what? When the black crowd came out,

“I bought a lot of snow tires. I didn't know I was buying them to later in life with an”

show what you paid for because you're the only fucking band selling like six million records. You're like,

"Who's got his new snow tires at WW whatever in Bangor Main?" You know what I mean? Like, "Oh, they fucking played. She talks angels. 150 times last week." You know what I mean? Dude, that was, yeah, that's when it was more like a music mafia kind of don't get me wrong. You had a lot of good song as a good song. Yeah. And there's a reason that those bands are those bands. You ever had, um, come out of the 7/11 or something and somebody had, uh, cracked your windshield

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“nuggets. Yeah, I think I'm just going down some of that memory road to those times. You know,”

was your bro where you're like, it's got to feel like it'd be hard to do something with your brother dude, but also kind of special you can if you really. I mean it's a long time to get to the how special it is for us. Who's a who's a better brother do you think? Well, obviously me. I mean, it doesn't even matter who's right or wrong. It's me. Of course. I mean, that one of ridiculous questions. I mean, I mean, I mean, and that's your Christmas card.

I'm all there. I'm all there. I'm all there. I'm Sagittarian. I'm the lead singer. It's me. I don't know. I think way, I think the things you really admire about him. Like my brother, I think is way better than me. I don't really size it up like that. But the things I admire about

him are the same things it like, ultimately, you know, he's a sort of amazing heart inside of him.

“And he's a really genuinely sweet person. He's varied, you know what I mean?”

The other things I love about him. He's, and again, you know what I mean? When things are going when you're kids and all of a sudden you're in a local band and in six months later, you're selling millions of records and everything's different. Everything is changed. The pressures on now. You have love above. I always knew my brother was talented. I chose to, you know, we were riding these socks together. We've always been a rich and eyes compositioner that is the engine for whatever

the black crow's are. It's been that way since we before it was anything. But now I can, especially because, you know, we made this last record in rich place all the bass and all the guitars. And I'm like, dude, I'm fucking sat in studio with him since, first time when a studio is 1987 or something,

I've seen him do amazing things, you know, like beautiful music, inspired dynamic things.

But now I see, like, oh, wow, I really see it more than ever because my perspective of what he is isn't tainted by any of my bullshit, whether that's my anger, resentment, ego shit, whatever. Oh, yeah, ego so dangerous. And I can see it really now so much clearer that it's like and, by the way, when I say that, we live in a world throw a fire Nashville throw a rock at a great guitar player. You know what I mean? There's so many talented people, so many talented musicians

and, and that's just the way it is, you know. But I really see my brother. I see his uniqueness. And I see how special he really is in his, in that world of guitarist. So now I've got to play with some of the best music, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, that's cool. It's cool to hear lucky.

“Yeah, that's a nice, that's a nice thought. That's a nice compliment, too. I think.”

If you ask Gretche about me, he'd say, he's all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he wanted to be. Yeah, he's very good. Did, how tough was it during some times? Like, was there ever a port where you guys were like, not only are we not going to keep playing? I mean, I know you guys have storied throughout the years. It's been like, you know, I'm sure like with any brothers or with any bands or it's like things go apart, things come back together. But was there ever a port where you like

shit, we might even be brothers after this, you know? Yeah, I mean, like 2013 was like the last black crossing before we. And yeah, I mean, we went a long time without seven years without speaking, no way. And we'd have certain feeling, sometimes like you wanted to talk to them or sometimes did that stuff get clouded by like resentment and stuff. Because I, you know what, I was also kind of important to take the fucking kettle off the flame a little bit, because sometimes

those things and you're work and do your relationship, you know, and these all of it was just to me, like a kettle on the stove just, you know, one's going to, you know, one's going to flip the

whatever, I was ugly and mean, I lashed out when I should have, I should have reached out.

Hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah, dude. I've held resume and said we're only like, and I was only thinking about him some more even real. That's the crazy course. Of course, of course. That's the crazy. You think people give a fuck and they don't, you know, I mean, about whatever you're doing. I mean, I've been lucky to, to just have whatever, you know, to keep it moving. Yeah, it sounds like that. And I don't, I really don't like to, it's exotic, you know,

I've tried to, for better or worse, not to be a liar in my life because the idea of telling someone a line and having to remember what the fuck you said that wasn't the real thing that happened or however it happened to you or, you know, everyone's truth is their own thing or whatever. Yeah, but do you know what I mean? They would be the same thing. Anything kind of fake or whatever. I'd rather, I'm cool, you know, I'm not everybody has to think I'm great. You know, I got,

but me and the other, I don't have to act a certain way to pretend that that's something that is, oh, it's just not normal, it's just not, you know. Oh, yeah, well, a lot, I was just singing to this as you were saying it, dude. I was like, you cut your head kind of terms in a, like, to like a library. I know that's kind of like a dumb plan words, but it's like now I have to go back in the show. Yeah, what the fuck. I mean, that would be a exhaust. Oh, dude, that was a lot.

I think like, I think I was probably lying to survive. I don't even know what I was doing. Like for, I think for certain years, my child, I was like, I don't even know what's going on, but like, I'm still alive. I'm gonna keep going and then one day you start to kind of get a little bit better perspective of yourself and things start to adjust a little bit.

Was it, was it always been always going to be the black crow's, was there ever anything else?

Was it going to be, I know it had different names before that? Well, we were a band called Mr. Crow's Garden and Atlanta. Yeah. Was it ever going to be a different animal? It was always crows. Yeah. I mean, maybe we, I don't really, yeah. We didn't want to, we liked being, people just referred to your band and like those guys are in the crows or whatever. Right. So we, I mean,

“I don't know. We liked that. That's why we kept the E in the name because Mr. Crow”

was the guy's name in this book, Mr. Crow's Garden. That this girl had in her dorm at the University of Georgia and she showed it to me and that she's the way it was like, oh yeah. Cool. It's like psychedelic and like kind of 60s and we liked that aesthetic. And, but yeah, by the time, do you know, I, I remember we drove of, there's a place called Rome, Georgia. Oh, yeah,

I've heard of it. I can't get a show, actually. And, oh, no, maybe I didn't, I've heard of it. Yeah, it's North, it's kind of east of Atlanta, I think. There used to be, I don't know if it's still there. A boarding school called Darlington or whenever my dad went there and my brother went boarding school there, which is funny. And there was a little club there and we'd had a gig and

we drove up there and we had made our first album and we drove up there and I remember driving

your member a van like we had a van. Oh, my dad's van or something. He let us use. Yeah. We drove up there way to go big stand. And, uh, we said it like by the time we fucking roll in the part of it, like we're the black crows. Everybody hip to that, like this is what it is. We're the

“black crows. That's what we are. We go in. We fucking set up our shit. We do sound check. And we're”

playing jealous again, twice as hard. Like songs that would later, you know, that record. Yeah, for sure. The band, we get off stage. There's a bar down the street. We're going to go have a couple drinks. The fan that is opening first was like a dad and like his daughter and they're not cousin or something. Some family shit. And they were like, they said up and we were like, all right, like weird. So we come back. We're the black crows. We walk in the club. There's

the only people there are the dad, the daughter and the cousin in the band. And they're sitting again in table eating some way sandwiches. And I'm like, where the black crows. And we play jealous again. And they're just like eating their sandwiches. They're like three people, four people. I was like, fucking hell, this isn't going well. Those are school and it was out of school. No, that was out of the club. Yeah, but just somehow they put these people on, you know, the family on the bill,

“the only way the story could be better is if they had been a Christian group. But I don't know”

if that. Oh, dude. I could only hope. One time there was a guy that was kind of hit me up. I don't know if he was a pedophile and he thought I was. Let's hope he went off for a short day. Because like, I look, he needed something to do in his older years, but maybe he thought I

commit a crime against all nature. But I'm just saying that like, because someone's pedophiles

will drop on you, but like, no, I'm 40. You know, like, they just don't, you know, I'm saying some of them. Yeah, and someone's going to have good glasses. It's all kinds of things. It's eye where it's health care. It's a lot of stuff. But the guys who're not wearing his prescription, he's wearing the glasses with the vignos because he's on the sex offenders registry. Yes. One of anyone recognize that. Well, I miss the old pedophile that at least had like the peeping

time, like the latter hanging out of the back of the truck, like the, the old pedophile is your family, like, don't sit on Uncle Oscar's lap. You know what I mean? They're like, why would they invite the pedophile uncle? He's like, kids want some quarters? Like, no, you know, we want justice

“for your victims. He's like, fucking sick. Fuck. That's what we want. He's like, I got to roll”

the quarters in the middle of my pants. You're like, that's crazy. Who wants the dick for loose change?

Fuck, you know. But dude, those are the back when they had pedophiles. It was just a different time. I mean, now they have them, but now they're like rich people are doing the same thing. There's a famous character. It could be on sunny and share or mod or anything the guy who runs over in a code. And like, like, that's a character on movies and TV shows. He'd have a hat on and he'd run over there. That's a guy. Yeah. It was a thing that was on you just saw and there's a kid on TV.

Oh, hey, there's that guy. As if he was a colorful neighborhood character. Like a dude selling it. It's fucking horrible. Yeah, I think. By the way, that's a flasher bizarre raincoat people, which is a great band name. We're flashing bizarre raincoat people. You're going to love us. I mean, really love her. Well, I'll tell you this. I remember one time my own call was in Atlanta.

And I didn't really know him. It was like a girl. My dad had like a daughter from his first marriage.

He dropped him off over there. She had an Italian husband who was like, send me out of work. Kind of had an advertising agency and played Mary Ochi music at night, right? So he takes me to the wine

“shop or whatever, because I think he wanted to go talk to a woman. So he just dropped me off in there for a little while.”

A flasher comes up a lady goes. I remember this. If he's like, have you seen my kitty? And I was I'm thinking like, that was probably 12, maybe. And I'm like, I'm in this storm. I'm going to say, looking at these big bottle. They had some big bottles of wine. And I was thinking, like, I don't know. I don't think so. And then she just showed her body like that. The front of her body. You know, Kudor and Brasser, whatever. And I didn't know what had happened, really. I didn't know if I was in trouble.

Kudor and Brasser. That's the new pub. Everyone's going to. And that's right. Everybody doughnuts and Dildos. Yeah, there's a father. We don't go there anymore. There's a father daughter there. They're eating subway right now. Do you pull up? But that was a crazy time when I saw a flasher in the liquor store in the liquor store. Good. How old are you? It's probably 12. Maybe perfect place for you to be when you're 12. Yeah, well, why don't you just

wander around? Then why don't you wander around the French white server there? Yes, those are Bordos. Yeah, that's a plief. We say if you. Yeah, but, you know, if you don't like the billet, food may is nice as well. I'll be back in an hour and a half. Have some salted peanuts. But fuck, that was the days when any other, any building that was open was kind of a baby sitter. You know, like parents would drop you off or like significant people than your life.

Through the day, my parents realized like they could split for the weekend and like rich and I probably wouldn't die. They were gone. Yeah. I mean, like here they would leave put like this is emergency $20 bill. Yeah. And then it would be like there's two gallons of ice cream and stakums in the refrigerator. And these things called stakums. And they were like, bring them up. Those bitches were nasty. You know, thin slices of some sort of stakum. I mean, you ate them

“a dolphin died somewhere. By the way, I mean, hey, post Malone, you should get stakum on your face.”

That was like cool. Yeah. Who ever who's got face tattoos? Jelly roll, get fucking stakum. Oh, he would definitely be good for stakum. Yeah, it's sliced to get the whole thing. You should get stakum, not anymore. You know, since he lost so much weight. Stakum. No, thanks. Dude, that's rock and bro. At least on your neck or something, stakums. Did you, um, oh, stakums? Yeah. It is more of a neck thing than a face thing. I think we're

getting in that place where people are going to start renting out their body spaces for exactly for tattoos. Just people to survive. We're already at the place where, you know, a lot of people are selling their bodies on only fans and over their phones and stuff like that. So it's definitely getting too unique. What do you mean they're selling their bodies? Like selling sexual videos and stuff.

I mean, I'm just actually, it might be more. It might be more salt. It might be whatever. It's the

oldest profession in the world. I agree. And look, I've supported it. So I'm not, you know, you know, I look. I mean, to you, I'm glad you have a healthy relationship with it after the kitty lady at the liquor store when you were 12. That's traumatic. I still try as hard as I can to remember what she looked like. And I can't exactly. I can remember the outline of her. But I can't

“remember like the in line. And that's what I think I wanted to. I didn't see her, but if I close my eyes,”

I see the green lady from Star Trek. Ooh, bring her up. I don't remember her exactly, but I mean, I know it's your, there she is. It's her, right? Yeah, it was her. It was her, dude. Sorry. God, but yeah, I'd definitely remember that. Try not to think of what else. Kids today, they have everything at their fingertips. So we were kids, yeah, to wait till the Green Lady episode of Star Trek came on,

which is probably only once or twice a year. Yeah. You had to play back a movie to play back a movie, like, and try to pause it right at the spot where there's a part of a titer, whatever. Yeah. And you had to listen so hard for somebody coming in the front door, because it's only one TV in the living room. You didn't have your own TV in your room,

“play it touch your body to, well, whatever. Yeah, to put your weights down and touch your body.”

Yeah, and dance for your brother or myself. Yeah, or whatever. Or once we got a mirror in my room, he didn't need me anymore. That was a crazy part. That's the worst. It was the wildest, dude. And we had a link to that. That's a good, you know, all of it is adding up. You know, the rejection of that deep wound. Oh, and of beaver lady, Kenny lady, it was there. And you probably did you ever work in a liquor store after that? You're like,

this is pretty nice. No one did a shrimp in video that we had shrimp. We'd shrimp by the pound and come run a movie over there. Pat shrimp and video. And but did you have other movies other than forest gum? Yeah. You mean that thought 200 copies of forest gum? And one copy in the back of four skin gum, which is a different movie altogether. Bro, I had no fucking clue you're this hilarious, dude. That's awesome. Thank you, bro. I was having a shit. I know four skin

gum usually isn't in the press release before I show up. I said, you know, fuck it. You're drinking sonic and shit. I'm like, mine as well. You know what I mean? I mean after the whole four skin thing, I'm not getting any fucking it was going to have me. You know what I mean? Four skin gum. Yeah. What do we get? What do we watch? I actually saw that on the spine of a porno and New York and the old tower records by Lincoln Center up there. To be honest with you,

full disclosure, I wasn't in the porno section. I was obviously going around to the free jazz documentaries. And I wasn't, but I saw it. They didn't have, that guy in black face. They did it. Let's hope. Again, let's hope it's worse than we could ever imagine. But they had all the covers off of the video. This was before DVDs. They had all the covers off of them, but just the words and black. And there's a thousand words in my brain. I was going to get it in it before

“skin gum. Yeah. I've never forgotten. Dude, that's great. Yeah. I don't remember the first”

porno. I knew my, I thought they had a stack of videos. And I remember jerking off and black and out. I just couldn't handle it. I couldn't handle it. I haven't any feelings, especially not that much I want. Yeah. Yeah. And it was like, ah. Well, they say the first time is, you know,

I thought, you need never the same. Never the same. Did you do that? Because I knew you had

experience with the drugs and stuff over the years. Were there, did you try different drugs and thinking that they would help you write or create certain music? Was there ever any of that energy? Or is that something that like musicians even do really? I mean, I've, I've, I've always done my writing. I might be a little stone sometimes, but I've never did drugs to write. You know, I mean, I mean, I, to that wasn't it. But, you know, like psychedelics,

dare in my writing, but I don't take psychedelics to write. All of it. All of it's in there. You know, I mean, I was a person fairly well adjusted in some ways. I never took drugs to

blotto myself out. I always, I, I truly, and talk about romantic relationship with drugs. And

okay, those lines can become blurry at a certain point in my life. But I always kind of knew what was going on. I was never into speed and shit. I mean, I was a Coke person and, you know, hard drugs.

it was just the worst feeling thing. It just didn't go with my chemistry. But I, you know,

I've, it was, I fucking love drugs. You know what I mean? I don't do them. I'm, I'm six, almost, I'm going to be six years old this year. And I love my life and my responsibility. And to do what I do, I can't do that. You know what I mean? I, you know, it's just saying and saying at a high level, hopefully, to the workload is, you know, when you're 25, you can do that shit and get up and, oh, yeah, it's a different story as you get older. I'm in recovering now from drugs.

And it's like, yeah, dude, I liked it. And if they came out with a version that was better for you,

they have it. It's called pharmaceutical. Okay. It's just really fucking hard to forget. Are you serious?

It's, I mean, I tried it. I mean, it was not even notes on the whole. It's on a whole cocaine. Yeah, it's on a nutcase. I'll get up. Yeah, bring it up. Bring it up. Let's see what, uh,

“bare Montanto is up to this weekend. New pharmaceutical cocaine. That's what we're looking for,”

probably. Well, even the old one, I think it's better than the average. Really. I got this at the bowling alley. Okay. Yeah. I got it when it was still at that bag was still warm from somebody's hand. Yeah, that's of course. And if you didn't do it while it was warm, it was bad. It was like Chinese food.

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settings distinct from a listed street forms. This classified as a schedule to narcotic, controlled substance in the U.S. due to its medical value despite high abuse potential. Yep. Fantastic. Huh. That's the best yellow review I've ever read. Dude, you, it makes me think about this. My favorite joke I ever heard, right?

“It goes, uh, what's the last thing you want to hear when you're given a blow job to Willie Nelson?”

I'm not Willie Nelson. I don't know why that's not my joke. I don't know who it is, but it's my favorite gig ever. It's ever the same reason I just had to share it with you. I like it. Well, thanks, man. Thanks. All I can think about is a sea of red and gray pubic hair now. Yeah. That's all I will. I'll go to sleep. Oh, yeah. So cheers. I can choose what she had. She could have had a car. I don't know. I do like it. But you were just so shocked. I was so shocked that somebody would do this.

I couldn't understand that there was nothing under it. And this was in Atlanta. This was in, uh, yep, this is in Atlanta. Right up, like, let's say Pete's tree went not road. It was right. They're all Pete's trees. Like there's like, there's a few. Something civil rights Boulevard. It was something like that.

“It was, it was a lot of action. That's every street. It really was. Do you remember a time when you”

got the highest you ever did in your life? Like you're more time when you got too high, kind of. Uh, yeah, yeah, a couple times. A couple times I got too high. One time, we, our old keyboard player in the black cross in the 90s and sky, Eddie Harsh. Ed was older, you know, and he'd been in the blues scene and Ed was really my drug professor, you know, and he taught me a lot about not just music and stuff, but especially, you know, the underground business we were in at the time. It's a little

native, huh? He's Ukrainian, actually. Wow. Yeah, his parents, the cool guy, came to Toronto after World War II. All Canadians are good. Um, but one night we were on the bus and he had like a couple of bags of shake, a good weed. And he, and talking like this, man, you know, he's like, man, I'm going to go get some brownie mix at the truck stop. I'm like, all right, all right. So I'm fucking, I don't know, you know, he comes in the bus and he, he takes two bags of shake and pours it in this little

thing of microwave, brownie mix, and he mixes that shit up. He's like smoking a cigarette, shit, and he put that in there and I was like, all right, I mean, I don't know how fucked up can we get it. And he put the icing on it and he said, you eat an finale to have. And I was like, I, then I was a racer head. You know what I mean? It was a nightmarish. It was either 10,000 days or five minutes of complete mind ripping hell of like the, I thought there's only death

can save me. And I just, it was just done. I just didn't know, you know what I mean? I was like, oh, I'll eat half of it. It was the dumbest shit I ever did in my life. Except the only worse drug

but just like a piece like this. I fucking put that shit in my mouth and my parents had gone out

whenever five minutes later. First it felt amazing. The stars were brighter. The world had a warm glow.

30 seconds after that, I can still taste the back of my teeth from throwing up. So horribly in my parents' bushes at our house. In Jackson's Creek subdivision sounds like the worst CWG. Yeah,

“the worst CWG. This episode, you know, Tyler gives Jasper Clementia. You know, where did you get it?”

I want to tell you. This week, this week, well, he's not my uncle, your uncle, Oscar, this week on Jackson's Creek. I could totally say it dude. Fuck bro. Yeah, there was something about being in the neighborhood. There was something about doing drugs, dude. I loved it. I remember, I was scared of drugs so long. I didn't start till I was older. Dude, I remember one time doing some shit. Somebody gave me something supposed to be cocaine or something. And I knew it was like a

performance in Hanson drug, right? And this is the second time I'd ever, this is the first time I'd ever

gotten it for myself. I'd done it twice a second, two songs working as a boss boy and people said it was like a performance in Hanson, right? And you will be able to clean these tables so much better that you were doing for it. You dropped it for 100%. 100% though. So I did this shit. I'm down in Baton Rouge. And I just start, I was like, well, I'm going to go for a good run. I'm going to get a strong run in. So I'm running, I'm stopping and doing this shit. And at a certain point,

I was, I just got, I got really squirreled out. Like, I was afraid to run, right? But I was wearing

“umbrose, remember, umbrose shorts. I was wearing umbrose and shoes and no shirt, right? And I was like,”

oh, man. It's typical Louisiana, man's wear. I get it. It's wink on the train tracks type of energy, okay? Okay. So I'm running right through like Tiger land, uh, which is like right around LSU campus. And there was like a fence. And so I jump in these, I jumped over this fence. I was like, I can't be, it's too many people are out here driving by jump above this fence and I'm in a kind of like a backyard area. And then like a little bird bath, whatever. And I remember I was drinking out of that

bird bath when the people came outside. Oh, you know, you're like, I'm trying to get a tape worm. What does it look like I'm doing? What do you think I'm doing? I'm just stopping. I mean, water and bird feces. It's so mind your own business. Yeah. I'm having an episode. I'm having a hurricane Katrina martini. I was in Baton Rouge not a few years ago. And I just, we went to, you know, get some cage and forget some food. Yeah. So good food. It was a little bit out of town

and at the time I was with Camilla and I, my wife, we weren't married yet. But I had a Prius at the

“time. I don't know the shame. But I remember eating and looking out the restaurant and I was like,”

man, I would see the Prius since I got into Louisiana. See it's all fucking trucks and fucking more trucks and shit. I was like, if we pulled in here in a Prius, they would fucking kill us. They would be, it's not. I mean, this was a while like a friend of mine. Maybe the one. Maybe the Prius stigma's over there or something. I don't even have them anymore. I, it would still be kind of frantic on a little bit. But it'd be understood, maybe. You know, I had one because I, I wanted to know

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had a private service for them and then they had a public thing. Yeah. I mean, I was super, I mean,

I'm super lucky to, you know, rise to the ranks of so many musicians that I've respected and loved. You know, we were talking about Bob today. And I was like, Bob's great. His great gift is his truly unique, truly outside the box musician. Um, somebody who

“just, his whole, that's how he was. You know, I mean, just very unique Bob Wier. You know,”

like, no one thought like him or played like him or, you know, and that's again, when you look at the world of music, full of unique characters, full of unique voices, full of talented people, sometimes troubled people. What, you know what I mean? Just the, and then you have someone like Bob who really stood out. I mean, that's what made the grateful dead so special. Um, it's funny how things that start off like that and then become sort of so popular with, you know, it starts off.

I mean, the grateful dead start off is like, it's kind of scary, like art rock, acid, heavy acid. You had to be pretty brave. I think to go see the grateful dead in 1968. Yeah, it's a good point because you were coming out on the other side. You know, I mean, like, there was no micro dosing, you know, it back then, you know, there was no cowards doses I call it. Like, guess what? A guy at Columbia University said I could take my shorts. I'm like, what? You know, read this article.

“I'm like, what about all of us in the fucking trenches for years? You know what I mean?”

What about all of you? What about all the brain damage we have? You know, I mean, I could have told you that shit. Oh, dude. No brain damage. I'm just, no, but like what, but see that, you see, you know, you said you like, cheat the tongue. Think about it. Now we're talking about it. I took a micro dose. Good. I'm happy, by the way, don't take my being sarcastic wrong. I'm whatever it takes to get you to tonight to have a nice life and deal. I'm happy. But you know, like, and

cheat the tongue when he's like, he goes, that's the most acid I ever saw him and take. He's like, when he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, he's like laughing. I got to like, that's the drug seed we grew up in. Like, go ahead, man. I hope you have, like, a month, you know what I mean? I'm looking at him right there. Oh, yeah. I want to see this. Actually, this is great. Work you way up to these goddamn bananas. That's a spinkle-steam shit kid son of a bitch.

I'll start y'all with the strawberries and work you way. He goes, what is it, bend and scoop? Am I driving okay? That's in Malibu on PCH. Is it really? Yeah. I think we're

other movies since then because of that scene, right? It kind of goes back to like what we're talking

about. It's always advertising that. I always my favorite shit in the whole movie, though,

is the thing. Oh, it's like, yeah, these are waiter uniforms. He's like, yeah, man, we want to look the same, but different. You know, like a band. It's the fucking, any time, you know, someone's like, yeah, they look like a band. You know, it's Ariana Curtis, man.

“Oh, I don't even remember that. My brain's a little bit bad, and I'm not think I had to”

amnish, or some fucking was called good, at least it took away whatever it's called. Yeah, kicked in the head by me. What is going on? Oh, I can't wear me a braid as if I could something's wrong with it. I think I got that. You know, I got some avid to my brain. I got kicked in the head by me. Was there an artist's death over the years? I mean, I know that's a weird question, but was there like, was there, yeah, was there like an artist's death that you feel like

had the most effect on you as a musician, kind of, or just as like a human being, I guess. I don't know. I mean, yeah, I mean, but probably my personal friends. Oh, God. That's the way who are great

musicians. I've always affected me. Todd Schneider passing away, dear friend, again. Special,

special person, freak, freak in the world, lovely, lovely person at a very special friendship with him, very sad. But like big people that I don't know or whatever, like when Prince died, I was, you know, because I grew up, I mean, I fucking love Prince so much. Prince heard a lot of

“people. Like, I remember a lot of my friends being a lot more shocked than I thought they would”

when Prince died. I thought Prince would have got a little more murals and t-shirts, but it looked like David Bowie got all that. And I love David Bowie too, but I was like, I just, I mean, Prince ever since I grew up in Atlanta, when I was like before I got into like rock and sort of punk and indie rock scene, I played a little high school basketball, and I was obsessed with punk, peep punk record, George Clinton, but I was there, like,

zap, gap band, SOS, slave, Prince, the time, vanity, six. I was like, Rick James, loved Rick James, man. It's a matter of fact, I have a scar under here. Rick James is playing the cool jazz festival at the Old Atlanta Fulton County Stadium, and my dad knew a DJ at V103 FM, which was like the funk station. So this was kind of all before, like, rap music takes over, and I had tickets to go to go see Rick James and cameo, who, I mean, cameo was the other one,

that I loved. And Frankie Beverly and May's was on there. A bunch of bunch of R&B bands, and my friend and got a ball of vodka, and we got so fucked up the day before that I jumped into my parents' family in the neighborhood swimming pool in the shallow end with my, I jumped in, and my chin was cut out, but I was bleeding in the pool, and people were like, get the fuck out of the pool, that I was 15 years old, I was like, I'm a guy, I was fucking pool,

you get out of the fucking pool. I mean, I'm out of my mind, and I look up, and there's my mom and dad and my brother, and I had missed basketball, like, spring basketball, practice, or whatever. My dad was like, what the fuck are you doing? Why are you bleeding in the pool? I was like, what? And I got in the car, and I was just like, and another thing, you guys know the Rick James, that a hovercrafty fucking does, I'm pretty sure he does whatever, I'm just drunk, my brother's like,

“you need to fucking smell like booze, and you need to shut the fuck up, I'm like bleeding.”

I go get stitching up, I go, I pass out my dad fucking kicks me wicked, like fucking five in the morning. I have a full grown-up hangover, it's five in the morning, he's like, we're going for a run and we fucking run three miles. It was like the great Stan teeny, you know? We run three miles, I didn't throw up or anything, we got to like the last 50 yards and he was like, man, you know you're not going to have fucking concert today, I was like, damn, he said no. He said, you fucked up yesterday.

Well, what do you think, and what do they do? Get me, what do you think your mother thinks?

I'm just probably happy that I'm safe at all, but they never let you in front of this.

It's done, father. Yeah, they never let you in. So I never saw Rick James. Did you want, that is a, that is a bad one. Oh dude, one of the first shows I've ever went to, smashing pumpkins, actually my buddy and I had a pdf file that dropped us off at, um, Marilyn Manson, we're under age. We're probably, I think, 14, 15. He dropped us off at

But the first concert, we had like an exorbitant amount of pda's in your neighborhood. You know that,

“right? I mean, we were kind of kids who were like looking for like people to be around and so I didn't”

lose a round or like creepy dudes. I'll take you guys. Yeah. Yeah, totally. So it's always like, oh,

we, you know, and you don't realize their guys appear to you. You think he's just a cool guy, then you get older. Like, oh, that guy was 37 hanging out with us. You know, smoking pot and fucking, you know, trying to see if you got to the parking lot, trying to take everybody. Yeah, horrible. It's crazy. Dude, the craziest part was out. My best friend Scott, I used to, his dad knew the guy who was like the pedo guy. This is one guy, Mr. Richard. So I would write letters from Mr. Richard

to my buddy, Scott, and mail him to his house all the time. That's fucked up. That's a good shit. That's good shit, too. I get it. I like the, you know, you're just, that's the shit I love. Yeah, just the psychological torture. Yeah, I get it. And his stepdad would be like, oh, he's still talking to this mother. Fuck, go and he's coming in just throw the fucking mail right at him. And they already had the worst footage now, right? No, yeah. So I keep thought it was the real guy. No idea, dude. That's

into like four Christmas cards every year from this day, tomorrow. Because we were a pedophile, but they fucking love Christmas up it. You know, I mean, yeah, because it's just an old dude stopping in and getting to fucking and relating with children. That's all it is. Dude, we, we see, look at the old Christmas pictures, your parents took you down to some guy, some drunk in a beard, and you sat in his lab, he's like, you know what I mean? I'm sure if Scott, boy scout, boy scout,

guys are, are pedos. Then the Santa guys, there had to be one, one or two. It's like, oh, we went to the Easter Bunny. I know that Easter Bunny had an erection. Yeah, I can't even tell. I could just fucking tell. And I mean, and it wasn't about pagan rabbit fucking, this was real. No, this is real. Yeah. God given blood to muscle erection. Yeah. The science of the thing. Yeah, thank you. Yeah. That's great. Somebody's a pedophile in their friend. It's just the science of the thing. You know,

it's a scientific thing. You got an open and have, have opened for you like so many amazing groups. Is there like a tour or a part of like your music or I guess even, maybe your musical life that

“you would go back to and redo if you could, kind of. I think you said you're not a go back guy.”

Yeah, it is what it is. You know what I mean? Like again, I, and I've had the opportunity in life if I've made, you know what I mean? If I, if I, if there was something that that I felt, but that that, that, that I was involved in when that was rude, I don't know, whatever. I've had the opportunity to tell people, man, so that was fucked up, you know what I mean? Whatever. I mean, I mean, and I wouldn't say

if I didn't mean it. But I don't care to change anything. Right. You know, they say, "What would you, what's your letter to your younger self?" I'm like, "I, I don't know if that would have meant anything." That's a good point. What younger self would give a fuck? You know, it's funny because I, I was saying that a day like, I love Stephen Tyler. He's been supportive. He's a friend. I'm

always there for him and I was telling the story. When we sold a lot of records on the first record,

he called me and goes, "Save your money, man," and I was like, "I'm 24." I'm like, "I'm not saving my money." Like, I love you. I appreciate the wisdom because you've been through it all in this business. I've made one record. You know what I mean? Like, I did appreciate the advice, but I was also like, I'm a, I, I, no way. No way is this, I'm not just made the first record and had this success announced the time to play it safe. You know what I mean? I was like, "Well, that doesn't make any sense to me."

That's a good point. Did you get something? Did you ever get something that was pretty wild, kind of, like something cool? No. Like a skull or something like a human bone or whatever. I mean, someone gifted me a human skull later. That was through weird, grateful dead stuff. It was no members of the grateful dead. It was like in a park and like a trade, like at one point. No, no,

somebody gave it to me. But it was like, you know, my, my extravagance has always been the same.

I like clothes and I like travel. I like to travel. I'm obsessed with food. I'm obsessed with

“cuisines from my travels and around grapes and stuff like that. Food, just the food. You know what I mean?”

I lot of my downtime when we travel is based around food. So that's a bit bougie. But really all I

and books as well. So it's just a giant clusterfuck of, you know, I moved out of my parent's house in

1987 with just cases of records and boxes of books and it's still the same thing. Kind of. Yeah. But yeah, I'm not a car guy or yeah. I don't have like rare guitars and shit. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really like, I don't really spend money on my own with anything. I kind of care about it. But I guess you're right, like getting to go places. I'm real on as his a little bit more important. I was just in, um, have you been to Oahu? No, I was in quiet once. Oh, that's

cool. Yeah, I went to Oahu. They had like a surf competition going on. It's like a like a real one, you know? Not like the Brady Bunch. Right. But yeah, they had this competition was going on.

Amazing. But it only happens if the weather permits. So like each morning, you kind of have to

get there and see if it and help the conditions. Yeah. And hope that the conditions are cool. But it's pretty incredible just to when I go to the ocean things. How do you go? I have a lot of

“you ever see dip load down there? I think he has a house down there. I mean, I've never been invited.”

I'm going to tell them. I'm kind of in the country, too. I, uh, a place called Bluefield. It's been very, Bluefield Jamaica. Bluefield's Bay. Yeah, in West Moreland, in West Moreland. There's Bluefield's yeah. Actually, I stated that place the second one to the left. Yeah, I stated that way. A long time ago, wild. But the hurricane was brutal there. Brutal, brutal, brutal. It was really sad. But Jamaicans are incredible people. So that's your place if you choose to go to a beach at your spot. I like to go to

Jamaica. Yeah. I like Jamaicans. I like Jamaican food and bananas and meat. I like sweet soft and sour soups. And I, there you go. Oh, that looks like we have a Jamaican dog that's named Bami because in Jamaica we could solve a route. It's kind of deep fried like a hash brown. It's called Bami. There's a piece of Bami. So that's kind of the color of our dog when we found her. She was

“a street dog in Jamaica. Oh, did you ever meet that guy down there? Mac a few that virus guy?”

You ever meet that guy? No, I kind of, when I go, I've been going for years. We always just take

off to the country. You know what I mean? Just chill. I like my, I've, I really close people there. They're the most soulful, incredible people. And we just fucking play dominoes and laugh. And there's Bami long face. Oh, so do you make in dog? That's a nice animal. She's the best. She has another name. The perfect one. Do you always been animal lover? I, I like, yes. I like, I'm a, yeah, we have a cool cat too. Yes, I love, I love pets. I love having pets. But I would didn't have

like rabbits and, you know, guinea pigs and horses ever. No, I love horses. I don't ride, but I love them. Yeah. My wife's a horse girl. I'm not good on them. I've done it. I mean, it's fun. I like to,

“I would be, I wish I'd grown up. We didn't do shit in my house. That's why I was busy watching”

all these weird movies and getting weird and listening to the record. You know what I mean? No, I did play little like football. I did martial arts when we were kids and played basketball. You don't know what I mean? I did shit like that. And when I was a kid, you know what? I like to fish when I was a kid. Oh, fish is fun. I've done it in like 40, 50 years. I don't know. Really have not in that long? Who took you fish? My race is Taco Bruce. Yeah. Yeah. Because my dad didn't

really give a fun. I got about fish. Yes, sometimes. But I didn't know he, I didn't know he was like that then. But I liked it because we would go down to Florida and do salt water fishing and then being in Georgia, we would do bass fishing and stuff. It was fun when I was a kid. But I haven't done shit like that forever. Yes, some of those are too busy reading Shonkarkta. Yeah. Yeah. One more one more question about a music and then I want to hear a little bit more about

your new album. And the new album is called a pound of feathers. The band made a record called "A pound of feathers." The band, in this case, was just me and Rich. In our drummer Kali, we we went in this record. We went in the studio without any songs. You know, we just had some ideas and riffs. And we wanted to do it that way. We wanted to do something that was more spontaneous. And on the fly, really, and see where that took us. Yeah. So we ended up, my joke with

friends was we could have done it in five days if we'd written any songs, but it took eight or nine days or whatever. To the whole album? Yeah. Yeah. It was beautiful. You know what I mean? We were

But that doesn't mean anything either because a lot of times I'll just pull things out of the sky or

“whatever. No matter what, the world changes. You know, we're talking about buying snow tires and”

blow jobs for programs and directors and rock radius stations. Yeah, never. The good old days,

Reagan. Yeah. And you could sell some fucking records too. Yeah, that was fucking rich. But for us, it's always like that was just a part of like the business that was adjacent to what we loved and wanted to do playing in a band. And it's funny because all these years later, we realized that making records, you know, we're not going to have a, we're not going to sell married records. We're not going to sell any records. But this is what it is. But for us to get in there and to, you know,

and to feel that way and to realize like, I look, man, when we got started, we didn't know shit except we knew what was authentic and real in our hearts and what music meant to us. And if we're

going to join, you know, when our, my first record came out, I'm like, dude, we're in, look,

you're going to record story and there's Black Croes records, but there's John Coltrane records. You know what I mean? They're in Adam's litter Cohen. Yeah, right, and other Canadians as well. But, or whoever, you know, the multitude of things that that we loved and the time, you know, how important records were that we're a part of something meant something to us and still does. And that we can still have a vibrancy about what it is we want to do and say that we can have

those moments where I'm sitting there and we're riding these songs and it works. And I don't care if it works. Again, in other, in another construct, it works for me and my brother because this is, we wrote, started riding some songs at Mom and Dad's and, you know, here we are. Yeah. And it's, and now our songs are in people's lives and that kind of thing. But then it's still fucking energy that I like that I can look around and the fucking darkened time that we're in

and mustard divides to make something and feel this is what I want to say. You know, my poetry

“doesn't have to have any message other than it's humanity other than, you know what I mean?”

Yeah. The connection I want through the things that I've done, the things that I am,

the things that I dream of, my imagination, you know what I mean? I always laugh because do you,

do you have, have you ever seen Barton Fink, the movie Barton Fink, the Cohen Brothers movie? No, I'm actually, I think I tried to watch it. Let me see a picture of it as blood. John Tuturo plays this guy who goes to LA. It's a movie about writer's block, but just like a racer head. Yeah, yeah, totally totally. But there's a scene in the movie with a writer. He's friend, he befriends another writer who's a southern guy and he's kind of, I guess, based on like

William Faulkner or something, was in California. I don't know. But he has this real, Barton Fink's really passionate. You write for the common man. And how do you, you know, how does, how where do the words come from that you could communicate like that? And he's, and he's a drug, the other writer, and he's from the South and he goes, "Well, Barton, I like to make things up." And I was like, "That's it." You know what I mean? Like,

it kind of is what it is. And it's the same things. I don't have a toolbox at home, but I like to write and I like to, you know, I like to dream. And this is a dreamer's paradise. I've made my own reality out of my limitations as of like fully functional, like person because of whatever, the way my mind works. And it helps if you sing good, whatever. You know what I mean? And you like to get on stage and keep people interested in, you know, there's a bit of the old,

like Bob Dylan says, "I'm a song and dance, man." You know what I mean? So I'm that as well. Yeah, it's a dude. The other than that, a girl was talking about her music for so long that she got up and sang for me. And it was some of the worst I've ever heard. And I, like, for 70% of our time together, I was there with her. And then it fell apart in that last. And he said, "So I think

“to sharing it." And I'm like, "Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait." That's how you share it is, right?”

But I do think that it's interesting. Like, it is a dreamer's paradise. And one thing that you don't want to lose, like, no matter how, like, bleak time seem or how dark certain things are that are going on, is that we have to stay creative, right? Like, we, like, as much as it hurts or as it's tougher, it's like, it's not, it's not easy to sit and do to think of, like,

you know? I agree. I agree. I mean, that's, again, I think the inspiration of all of these things

we are seeing have all been played out before. We've seen it. And the reality of that is is we've seen who, you know, we'll see this come to some sort of, look, like I said, who knows between that and there. But I refuse to, I refuse to allow defeatism to rule my life. I refuse to let the fear and ignorance of the whole thing dictate my, my every fucking thing. Yeah, you know what I mean?

“Because I, I don't know, because you, I think you had, like you said, you have to. And I'm,”

and we can get addicted to the new, you get addicted to that stuff. And then it takes over your time, it takes you your life. Yeah. And it takes your flame down, and it takes your flame. And you're like,

"What am I doing here?" You know, it might be, I mean, it's not even a scapeysome to me,

because I need to, when we were talking earlier about how I have to keep my head or I have to devote myself to whatever the thing is. It's the muse that keeps my creative energy where I want it to be and what it means. In this, in the exact same respect, if these things cycle through people, you, yeah, it's proven again. You can't stop. You know what I mean? And I don't know. I, I feel, I, I feel like, I feel like I, you can't, again, I'm not, I don't want to put my head in the

sand, because that doesn't help. Yeah. But I do realize that we're on the beach. Oh, yeah. Well, I do realize, too, that there's a lot of footprints on the beach. You know, every people have been coming to this beach for a long time. We just kind of have to remember that as well. That's a good point. I mean, you know, people romanticize and they, in any time in history, tyrants and people who kings who have become deranged and, you know, the abuse of power

and ego and all these things. And you can see what happens, you know, and I'm writing. You see, it, you know what I mean? You, it goes for a while, but then it's over because humans don't play that, you know. If there's like a song that we use when we write in a battle, say this has to happen, right? And we won't put you on a horse or me. You know, I'll be, you know, I'll be in the back. I'll be the main catering. I'll be better for me. At least can I still get a medal, you know what I mean?

At least you know, the catering will be like very enjoyable. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I'm sorry. Sorry. I'll come a Dante. That's the wrong white wine with the brands. You know, do you do we, uh, what song do we listen to? We write in a battle. Do you think? Maybe it is, it doesn't be like the perfect song. What's a good one? Well, it's definitely not onward Christian soldiers. That doesn't have a good beat. I don't know. I can't dance to it.

“I don't know what it be. It's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll by acdc. That might be a good one.”

Yeah, play that real quick. I want to make sure that I'm on the right one of that. You added that. I did. Okay. Oh, dude. So many things have made it. I'm back in my bedroom, dude. Watching my brother dance. That's such a good sound in guitars. Hell yeah. That's good man. Thank you so much.

Um, what about your new tour? Can you tell us like it? Well, we're obviously it's tougher touring now. What's so, is there anything that's super different about it? There it is. Whiskey Myers. That's right. I saw you guys at a send. I think like two years ago.

“Mm-hmm. And then I saw you in New Orleans. Like, I think it might have been the 90s probably,”

or no. Maybe 2000s. Yeah. I mean, many times. This tour is going to be super fun. You know what I mean? They're a little bit crunchy. And we're a little bit rock and roll. And we're a little bit country. They're a little bit rock and roll too. Gotta work on that corresponding Marie. What the fuck? Yeah. I mean touring. You know, I still love it. I still think there's a lot of adventure to have. And it's the same kind of some of the things we're talking about.

There will be someone I never met. There will be thing, you know, we have a good time.

And it should be fun. You know, touring's fun, playing. It's called playing music. It's fun. I, I, I, it's hard sometimes when you get older and the crowd is, you know,

y'all to pick up. Oh, that's a good statement. You know, because now it used to be like this and now,

you know, what? Oh, yeah. Or, oh, yeah. Instead of really feeling the music and hearing the music and

“seeing where that could take you. That being said, I don't police anybody. You know what I mean?”

No, I'll do what you want to do. I'm so happy that you are about to take it no matter

how you get there, what you do when you get there, that's up to you. I'm just saying that as of

guy who's spent this fucking lot of time on stage. You know, and I'm the type of performer who, I need, I need the, I need it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I need something back. It feels good. That's

“when stuff ceases to, it just flows all together. You know, and those are the, those are the”

shows and the moments that are, that aren't hard. You know what I mean? Yes. And those are the

ones where just like, oh, this is beautiful. This is, this is everything. And that we have that more than we don't. Yeah. But I know what you're saying at the event. I know it's had to even stay even when I've done that. And I noticed how it feels. I want to see Eris Smith on their, when they were playing Las Vegas when they had the, this is like maybe three, four years ago. Yeah. Yeah. They're residency there. Yeah. And there was one time when, um, when Steven Toler came

right over by me. And I was like trying to get my, and I like miss this moment. I still just feel bad. I still think about, man, what was I doing? You know, like what was I doing? So instead of just you to let the quick silver that is Steven like, envelop you as he went by. Oh, I still, yeah, the best dude. Um, Chris Robinson, thanks so much, man. I appreciate it. Thank you, man. I appreciate you. I enjoyed my music. Thanks for all the excitement over the years. Um, yeah, just the time

to get to come see you. Me and my brother still talk about the crows. So, uh, we still, uh, listen to it together. So thank you so much, man. Thank you, man. Yep. Tell your brother I said, hey, I'll will do it. Thank you. I have big muscles. Uh, no. He's a smart guy. And he's kind of like your

“brother, I think he's, um, he's probably this, I think he's like the sweeter one of us or this,”

he's a sweet guy, but like a, just like he's a, he's a nice guy. So, um, Tolrich has said hello. I will, of course. He'll love it. Thank you, brother. Cheers.