#648 - Vince Vaughn

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Today's guest is an actor, he's known for just being that figure that humor man, wedding crashes, swingers, dodgeball, Rudy, and the list goes on. His new movie, Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice is on Hulu this Friday, March 27th at a great time with today's guest, Mr. Vince Vaughn. So do you have a place there?

Yeah. Cool. Actually I'm thinking about moving recently. That's cool. I don't kind of excited.

I'm kind of scared. I'm always scared. Well, when you make a new purchase, I don't like this pain and you money and anything I just like to kind of keep it somewhere. Well, you also think a lot of the devil takes it or whatever you have.

“You also feel sometimes I think like, this is, you know, you kind of know what you have”

and how that works and now how does this change your spending and what you're doing

because you always feel like, well gosh, what happens if it goes away, you know.

One of my friends said something to me the other day about mine, Alice, he goes, well, you could invest in the stock market or you could invest it in a home. He's like, you can't live in the stock market. Right. And that was kind of interesting to me because I was like, oh, yeah, well, at least

if you put your money into a home then you, if it's going up and then you're living in it while you have it. That's right. I mean, there's ways to look at it because I kind of looked at it because I was, I never was educated any of it.

So as I made money, I started to figure it out more. But I started to look at stuff like what makes me money every month and then what cost you money every month. And so a house is kind of both because you have your property taxes, especially here. And you also have your mortgage if you do and the stuff that goes with it.

But it can go up and value as well. So I started buying rental properties that I could rent out for that reason because it was tangible. And I could make money every month off it.

The market I never studied it.

But I guess if you do the S&P, I mean, I never spent my energy on that.

“But a house I'm like, this neighborhood's nice, I think it's going to, okay, I'll buy something”

here. Like, trust in your instincts about that. Because you're more exposed to it. Yeah. That's where you're driving through.

What are some of your seeing things? Yeah. Like, the old thing was like, this neighborhood's not, these neighborhoods are good. Now this one's not. Okay, I'll buy there.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Oh, they've got to balance it with what you enjoy in your life. You want to be happy where you're at.

Yeah, you want to get to, like, I don't know, I always, like, I never really want to invest in myself.

I always, I'm just like a saver.

I remember I would save my money. I would bury my money in the yard. I would get kind of it. I would go to people's homes and hide a fucking pirate. Oh, I've got a fucking treasure map.

I'm not even sticking. They had these, like, crown royal bags, you know, as a kid, and it was, like, the purple one with the gold. I remember those. And I would put my money in there, and I would hide it in different places.

I would hide it at, friends who had better security in their homes, I would hide it. They know. No, they had no idea. I would hide it there. They were safe.

Dude, I would, we would steal people's silverware movements, and I was like, we were doing, like, this little things we'd do on, like, home alone. This is Jones. I'm kidding. Shit.

Dude. That's silver later on for sure. Going to the pawn shop and arguing with somebody. It's sterling silver. Uh-huh.

“Did you ever go try to dig it up and couldn't find it?”

Oh, no. That's good. I always knew exactly where it was. That's good. I would check on it.

That kind of stuff. I was a big barrier, like, bearing stuff to make sure that it was okay. My grandparents had a basement growing up, and so I think that kind of added some mystery basements. Always at a mystery.

Big time. In the scary. Yeah. Did you have a basement or no? I went to everyone left the house.

I was home by myself. I got to watch a horror movie in the basement because that was double scary. And I turned off all the lights in the house because I really wanted the experience. I wasn't good at watching horror. I would get pressured and I do it and I play it cool, but then I was fucking terrified.

I didn't like, I didn't like, my imagination was too strong. And I remember I turned this thing on and I was watching. It was the evil dead. You ever see the evil dead? And I was like, that's fucking it.

I got to a point where I had enough. And so I got up to run to get the lights, but I hit a pole. And I went down and then your mind's really playing tricks like this is it.

But I kind of crawled, got my lights on, turned off the movie. I turned on every light in the house. But yeah, basements are, well, there are magical places because they can't be a place of discovery too. Right?

I mean, good in bad happens in a basement. Oh, yeah.

“Well, I think they had like does the seller doors when you realize it was like, I never”

put it together for the first like few times.

Those are my grandparents. So it was just a basement and then was these outside weird doors. And then like, like the seller, like, you had that little light come in and you knew you were underground like the outside had a little whole area. Well, they had it.

Do you know what I mean? Like these. Like, did you all have some of those? Yeah, how do you guys? Yeah.

So those, the fact that those doors would open up and go down in that little staircase. Yeah. Yeah, my grandparents had a garden. They lived a group in Illinois. So they had a garden outside of Peoria, just a small town out there.

Yeah. So from the area. You're from the area? Well, I grew up. Originally, it was, you know, Virginia, my dad's side and then Kentucky, but ended up in Ohio

and then my dad was a salesman. So we ended up in Illinois. Oh, nice. What did he sell? Toys.

No. Super cool. Yeah. He just had toys around the house a lot. Yeah.

He had a lot of toys. He'd give me like samples and stuff. So, they samples were the best. That was dope. If your parent was still kind of a head, right?

Yeah. I mean, you had a bunch of something. I don't know.

“You know, it was weird like I had one friend, his dad's old Oakley sunglasses.”

He thought it would have like three pairs of toys on like crazy. Yeah. Well, kind of toys. You'll have just kind of milling around him. He became a manufacturer's rep.

He did well.

He was the first to go to college and his family and his dad had like a hundred acre farm

and would work in a steel mill, but my dad was the first to go to college. So they kind of moved us to better schools. That was their thing. We kept moving to get to better schools. But we weren't prepared for that because we didn't know what a tutor was.

Like, no one had a tutor. So we moved to area that was more academic and exposed to stuff which was good. But he, he settled like, I love that. I don't think he sold this. He might, but I love that evil, can evil stunt cycle when I was a kid.

But he sold like teenage mutant Ninja Turtles and like, oh, yeah. That was fun. And then he had like, God, he had like these little like, like those kind of bath tubs. I guess it was in the toy section.

But not bath tubs. Swimming pool. That was a big plastic circle. Remember those outdoor? Yep.

Were they hard ones of the soft ones? No, they were just like these. The rigid ones. Yeah. But they would just be in the backyard in the summer because no one had a pool.

And then he sold gloop toys, gloop and they sold. Yeah. Pull up that stunt cycle for me, Kenya. Evil can evil. Did you ever have that?

I don't think so. Yeah. That was so cool. You'd pull the thing and then it would take off. Oh, that.

That thing was dope.

Dude, you was jumping shit and never making it.

Yeah. But you were like, he would watch and why we'll do sports. And he said he's going to jump snake Canyon and then he would crash. He couldn't move. Well, I read somewhere there.

They're do devil. They're do devil's or popular. Oh, they had we out. Well, that was a crazy thing. Yeah, look at this.

There you go. There's a commercial for it. Yeah. So dope. And it never did this shit.

It didn't. The commercial did. No, bro. It never. Nothing happened.

Nothing happened. Nothing happened. Nothing happened. Good enough. I was never.

I always needed an uncle or someone to put it together. I wasn't going to put stuff together were you? No, I would take it all out and I'd get furious or whatever. I'd Tom Sawyer. I'd get someone that could do it, help me.

Oh, I see. So you were extortionist. Wow. I was just, you know, I'd do certain things for them or could help, but I need help with this.

You know what I mean? I knew my limitations there. I'm trying to think of what we had. We had Rambo. Rambo was dope.

We had. I played with toys till I was older. I played with toys, y'all. I love toys. I'm trying to think of what toys we had.

I'm just trying to think about it. Oh, the wrestling figures was huge. You know, the kid. Super huge. I played with Smurfs too.

Did you ever play with Smurfs? We would watch Smurfs, but, uh, we could let them understand the story. I was collecting those Smurfs. We're looking back. We're looking back.

We're looking back. We're looking back. We're looking back. I don't think this, this Smurfs, uh, we age as well. They didn't do it.

Yeah. Gargamel was just weird. I think he got a little one lady. Smurfs. They had one going down.

And there was a headache. Yeah. There was sort of a, bring up Smurfs hat. She was kind of, she was cute, but she didn't have enough, she had a girl next door going.

She didn't have a body on her, no. No. No. She kind of, um, did. Yeah, you're right.

That's a good point. But what was Gargamel doing there?

“Remember they had, they was just a bad guy.”

Yeah. But it's the bad guy. More than that than me. I've seen it. They say that there's like a whole, like, dark kind of thing behind it.

There's some stuff with Smurfs being really bad. Oh, really? I think so. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, there's all those Disney had the secret cocks in the movies. Remember that? Yeah. Yeah. And they did, by the way.

I think that you can find those. Did you have a smoke cigarettes? Oh, yeah. Remember Camel? They have that weird stuff on the camel cigarette.

It looks like a guy.

I don't know.

Put up those camel cigarettes.

“Remember you could make out the, the outline of a guy on with a wiener?”

I think so. I think if you look at it hard enough, you look at anything. You'll see a little bit of cock. I feel like. You know what I'm saying?

If you miller anigast. I don't know. Did you spend 40 minutes at a gas station, you'll see somebody's cock. I'm looking at a boy. Look at his hands around his hips like this.

Same shit here. Let me see that. Looks like. Yeah. Right there.

Good plan to stay. Yeah. That's the same shit. I'm telling you, that's something. I think that's a guy with a dude.

Are you guys just a dude standing up? No? Dude, there's a picture of a guy smoking like, oh. Eddie, I mean, I'll tell you this though, if that were like 15, 20 years ago, then yes, we would all think that.

Now there's just, here's shit too, like pop rocks and Coca-Cola, make your stomach blow up and all that. Yeah, there'll kill a beast on or whatever you give him to him. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That was before. We didn't have the internet. We were making shit up. We were hearing like Rod Stewart had to get a stomach pumped. And when you hear it all that?

Oh, yeah. And it's like Richard Geo was like working for a, like, like, like had a hamster, had a hamster. Yeah, I don't think that's true. But I think this was the stuff going around.

Yeah. But that was a great room. That was camel cigarettes had some fucking naked dude on it. That's, that's what was in the news. That's a, that was the news, baby.

That's crazy. I do miss when they had more imagination though, even like you're saying that was something interesting, you said, like, when you were in the basement, you're imagination if it was big, it could be a blessing and a curse because it could really create the darkness too.

I never thought imagination is both.

“But yes, I think if you have a great inner life, like would you talk to yourself a lot?”

Oh, yeah. He's a heroine. I'll be like, you're a piece of shit. I know. Sometimes good.

Yeah. Occasionally, he said, no, I'm just like, Merry Christmas. I remember what I said. I remember one time leaving a situation with older kids and not loving the exchange. And I was kind of walking my bike back and I was kind of talking out loud and playing

different sides of the conversation. And there was one of the boys had happened to leave at the same time. And he was behind me, really hearing me kind of have this conversation. I kind of, so then I kept talking, but steering it with a different kind of point of view to kind of hide the fact that I was just working out loud, like I kind of saw him, but

I made it, I kept going, but steering it in a place where I felt more comfortable with what I was saying. Like you were, yeah, like just making up things that made sense, that would have made it just a problem to him. Yeah, or not see más nuts, you know.

Oh, dude, one time me and my friend, we got in a fight or something in a ditch. And with some other kids, and then we were riding our bikes leaving. And I think we got the fight was pretty even. But we kind of went to like high five like that. And our hands got kind of stuck together, while we were riding our bikes.

So it just looked like too dude, just like holding hands up in the air and a problem of it. Yeah, but everyone should see this. It seemed like we're like a couple of Harvey milk friends, just like leaving a speech. Yes, if we seemed a little too triumphant, like, and I still our hands got locked. And we were riding our bikes with the other hand, just holding our bikes up both riding the same way.

So we couldn't let him go. So I'm sure these dudes, it looked like, oh, he's dude, you're a couple of sets. Well, really, you were really wanting to not damage the friendship over the fight. Yeah, so you were overly connecting and making up for the fight. Well, the kids we had fall were down the street.

Oh, so you guys were celebrating how you did.

“We were kind of celebrating, well, I don't think we did that great, but I think we just went”

to do a high five. Are you wearing it together? No one ran. So I'm sure they looked and they're like, oh, we just beat up P's two gay kids, probably. And I'm not saying that, but that could have been what they said.

You don't know what they were thinking. You're just saying that. You don't know what they were thinking, and that's probably what it was. I think I was. Yeah, dude, I'm super nostalgic.

Yeah, I try to, I can't be, but you got to move on to it. I think it's good to reflect on that. I think it's good to be where you're at, both. When you were in college, you'd like to live in the dorms or in class. I never went to college.

Did you? Oh, yeah. I went to LSU. I went to, oh, I got a lot of friends who went there. I called you.

You hate him. Oh, I know how you do it. I met you with you before. Who's my guy? Is he still alive?

Yeah, I don't know. Good. Fucking hate, it's the greatest. Isn't it? Yeah.

I go down and watch the games. I'll go watch LSU with him.

I always have fun going to those games, yeah.

Maybe that's what I've seen yet. Yeah, could have been. He's a great guy, Hugh. Hugh knows everybody. Oh, he's the, he knows everybody.

He's like the glue of New Orleans, probably. And the better than Ezra guys, those guys are great. Oh, those dudes. Yeah. Having Griffin, I see him on.

He has a big festival over there in the pilgrimage music festival that he helped start. Yeah. Hayden was fun with all those guys too. Oh, dude, you met Drew Breeze.

Yeah. He's a terrific guy. Oh, wow. Yeah. Because Hugh's friends with, I got to meet a lot of those guys.

Hayden is, you know, obviously, friends with a lot of the saints and stuff too. And Mickey Loomus and those guys. Hugh's friends with all my ex, girlfriend somehow, which is interesting. Oh, he's. He was a best looking guy.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he was a good looking guy. He makes friends with, yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know if they're just friends.

I'm not. I'm not. I'm insinuating. I think he's all groovy. Oh, I don't think there's any strings.

But I'm just saying it may not have just stayed like, they might not just been sitting down playing canaster with each other. Yeah. They may not just be hooking up and playing rummage. You know, maybe some, there might be some connections going on.

Yeah, I'm sure. Hugh was just like, yeah. I mean, he was just everybody knew him. I just texted with him yesterday. Are you really?

He's a good guy. You guys keep him touch a decent amount. I do. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's well, it's just so fun down there. It is fun down there. I was supposed to do it.

Did you think about going to, when you left here, did you think about going there?

Oh, going back to Louisiana. It's a little too slow down there sometimes, you know. And how much did, how much did stand up way on when you relocated to? The ability to get up. That's a good question.

It didn't. I was doing like a tour. So at that point, most of my sets, I was like going out of town and doing like four nights and then coming back, like, like, we go out. So most, I wasn't getting up and practicing as much as much as I was just doing a tour.

So you would go take out on a tour material that you hadn't worked shopped all. Oh, that I had. But it was like this tour. And it, in touring, I've gone for like three years because we can't find a more market to go play.

So we play like be smaller and smaller. So you would change a material slightly, but you kind of had your base and you just hit an area as you hadn't had got you. And it was growing. I was performing like four nights week, but I was just on, it was like in venues and, like, as opposed

to this tour and practice, how does that get as you get older the road that way? That kind of long job. Is it something you're still excited about or does it become more of a job?

“It definitely becomes more of a job and you have to take more breaks.”

I didn't realize it, you know? Because you want, you got to fill up your tank. Well, yeah. Yeah, you got to fill up your tank. Recreation.

Recreation. You got to do bring a crew with you or do you go solo? I took a tour manager, a couple other comedians, and then we'll bring, like, for some of the venues, we'll bring like screens in a truck. So you have like one, are they people you enjoy and spend time with?

Yeah, that's good. You need that. Yeah. But then that can become unhealthy too. Spending too much time with them?

Well, yeah. I mean, you kind of become a circus and it's good because you have each other. But then you kind of are so with each other, so much. Oh, yeah. You can get a family fight.

Yeah. You need to break sometimes too. Yeah. I guess as you get, do you choose films based on now with that you want to work with your friends?

Well, I have kids now. So that's once you have kids, that really becomes your priority. I have so many great friends that I just don't see that often because we're on different cycles. You know, their kids are at different ages than mine or live in a different area.

So the family is really in your kids become the calling card.

You know, it's always funny.

But movie I did with this, which is when your kids are real young, there are a lot of work.

“Like me and my wife didn't have any help who was just me in her, which I, like, really?”

Well, that's how I grew up. So I liked it like that. As they got older and I would leave for movies, we'd have people who kind of can help help her driving and stuff. But I found that like you're so desperate to have other people that have kids your

age because it's a lot of work. So when the kids get to be three or four, if you meet other people with kids the same age, you can hang out, you know, have some, have a glass of wine, whatever, and the kids play together. So that's nice.

But all you really have in common is your kids are the same age. And then it feels like a good idea to go on spring break with them. Because that's easy. You can put the kids can do stuff together and the parents could hang. But then you can realize that you have very different parenting styles.

Oh, I've been in some situations like that. I think everybody has it sort of funny, but you're like, is that guy going to tell his son to stop hitting my daughter or am I going to have to say something? You know what I mean? Like, or is that guy's way too?

That guy's screaming at his son. He's an inch from his face where these guys are getting super drunk and falling down and in front of their kid. You know, so you just don't know until you go on that trip with the parents and how they roll.

Yeah. But you know, you kind of hang with them and I'm sure everyone feels that way. So it's sort of something you start to hang out with more people who have kids in your area. Your kids' schedules are dominating your time way more than you would hang out with friends

that you had in common through comedy or through other stuff because it's all the kids. It's all the kids. Yeah.

“Have you ever been in shock if your kid picks a certain friend?”

You're like, no, that's not the kid. I kind of let my kids, I mean, I give them kind of a baseline of things to look for. And then I let them make their mistakes and go through it. But I've been fortunate. My kids, you know, both have pretty good friends.

I like they handled themselves well. I get nice reports that they treat you. It's good. Yeah. That's a time or we'll hear stuff saying, oh, you're daughter, walked my daughter out

of this situation and was nice to her. So that makes you feel good. But yeah, I think it's not as complicated as people make it Theo. I think it gets overcomplicated in a city in LA if everyone's competing to get into the right school.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I think if it's just a basic idea of how you go about handling stuff, you kind of attract people that share those ideas.

situation. Is your, uh, did you choose a good wife first? I did. Yeah. She's from Canada.

She grew up on a farm. That's where you got to get him. You're so funny too. You said that was like, oh, that's a secret code. Well, a lot of people are like, yeah, I'm definitely looking in the Canada, even further.

I'll take something that's, you know, I'm saying this, still on ice. How far you go? I'll take a freaking in you. I'll take something that's in the freezer section. You know what I'm saying, something that hasn't been thought out by some of these desperate

ways of America. You know, I tell you, it's, you got good and bad people everywhere for sure. But I definitely, I definitely look for somebody who, you know, I like their base values and how they handle stuff.

“I think that goes a long way because a lot of parenting is problem solving.”

Yeah. Working with each other. Yeah. And they have good posture up there in Canada. You notice that the best posture.

Have a notice that. Watch Canadians when they go by. You can barely even see them. They're so interesting. Just horizontal, long to two minutes.

You're a little surprised. You don't see them like Africans with that, like, you know, Karen showed on their head. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You remember that?

They always have a basket carrying a walk around real casual, like a back, because

their posture was great. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And some of them would even, like, it's a ladies who get pissed. They would be like, hmm.

But I don't even spell on anything. I'm fricking a melon would fall out of the basket. Oh, dude. I remember I went to South Africa a couple of times and you would see a lot of people walking in there.

But that was how they would travel to stacking on the dust. I never been to South Africa. So nice. Do you like it?

“Yeah, because there's just so much going on, you know?”

Yeah, just like it's beautiful and amazing. And there's these beaches. And then it's all this insane history. Were you there for a vacation or a work? I went there one time at Johannesburg to do a comedy festival.

I went once when I did this in called semester at C where you went as a student, like on this boat and we went there. Yeah. And you ever go somewhere for a work and then say I want to come back first when I have some downtime in the hang.

That's cool. That's the great thing about our work is you get to travel. Yeah. I find that to be a great education. Oh, yeah.

For sure, dude. Going to Vietnam or whatever I'm trying to think of some other neat places. Yeah, what's a place that you filmed in there you were like, wow, this kind of blue my mind. Even if it was an American city.

Yeah. There's been a lot of them. I mean, I remember going, you know, as a kid getting to go to New York and actually living there was a big, very different from me, obviously, than I lived there for a while. And you were acting then or not.

I was. Yeah.

I never really traveled anywhere, bro, until work took me there.

Like for us, a vacation was in a, you know, we would get in a station wagon. Where would y'all go? We tried to Florida or Arizona. Do floor. You try not to get grounded because everyone's hopped up on sugar and shit and you're

crowded in and you try not to get them trouble in the back. But we didn't really, you know, we would, we would drive those places for spring. I never left. I had relatives in Canada from my mom's side. So we would, we would go up there, but I never went to Europe ever.

Yeah. Until I, I had gone for work. For sure. Did you? No, dude.

We didn't know even know about Europe. The guy, the janitor that drew the map on our, like, cement at our school, left out three states of a dude.

“So there were, like, people were like, what does that happen?”

How does that happen? Just, you know, they were on the states where the states, um, I would know because they didn't put him down. Yeah. Well, I think it was somewhere, some of it.

I mean, I knew that main was missing. I didn't want to call him not because I felt kind of bad for the guy, but anyway, yeah. So we weren't going to Europe, dude. I remember Canada, they didn't even have it when I was a kid or whatever. They had, like, a picture.

I remember in our classroom, they had America, because it was very, everything was very American, then very, like, we are America. And then they had a picture of a wolf, like chasing a boy. And that was Canada, like chasing a cold boy. And that was, like, what we thought was going on outside of that.

And Florida was the greatest place you go in the world. If somebody went to Florida and they came back to school and the shurder ones had Florida, you were like, oh, man, you killed it. They are so rich. Totally.

That's nice. You guys would drive all the way from, uh, Illinois, Florida. Yeah, we have relatives in Ohio. I go see my grandfather had a little hunt, a little farm. What kind of animals did they have of it, Aaron?

He just had cows. He just had cows. I remember, um, I like cows. They're warm. Yeah.

I remember as a kid, I was like in first grade, and we were studying the Pilgrims. And, you know, the Pilgrims were all in black and white.

And so when I, we drove from the farm to go see my grandfather, I'd never saw much.

But when you get to the smaller roads, they're like this narrow, you know, there's, you can't get around. There's just two, two lanes and those, those, country roads are smaller roads. And we were behind on them. I'd never seen on them as people.

Oh, yeah. Never. I thought they were Pilgrims. So you had a bunch of kids and black and white in the back of the carriage, you know, kind of staring at us like you couldn't break eye contact because they're looking

right at you. Yeah. They're fucking slow, bro. They're not moving like this horse is not excited.

We're like a Lincoln town car, something my dad was driving. And we was so slow going.

“And I remember going, why won't these Pilgrims get out of our way?”

And my dad lost his mind. He pulled the car over and took my head off. You're no better than these people who are you to talk like that about someone. But he didn't realize like, I really thought they were Pilgrims. Wow.

I really thought that that was a Pilgrim because I had a slur. I couldn't even understand. Yeah, of course. What? These people live in not touching electricity.

Yeah. But my dad's great in my mom. But they were real keen on, you know, making sure that you were, I think because they moved me to a nicer area, they were real big on, making sure I wasn't, you know, feeling better than anybody.

But I think he got that one wrong. I think he thought I was making fun of these homage people. I didn't know what they were. Yeah. You're like, this could be Christopher Columbus's children or whatever over here.

They just, you know, they're all hopped up on cheese curds and they're slowing down. And they're slow as fuck. We can't get around. Dude, that's hilarious.

“Yeah, that's kind of what we had in our classroom.”

We were super pro-America, too. Everything was. It was taught in that way. But I was always good. Hell, yes.

Me, too. I liked it. By the way, I love it. Well, it kept us together. It was like one thing you hadn't come.

If you, at a certain point, if you don't have anything in common, if you take away things that people haven't common, then they don't have anything in common. I still feel the same way. I still feel like it's the best out there. Not that it's perfect.

There's a lot of stuff going on. I don't think, I don't think we even, I don't know how much control everyone even has over it. But I still love the idea of it. Well, a lot of people are going to homeschool now, too.

That's it. Yeah. Yeah. There's more parents have switched homeschooling now than even during COVID. I did some of it.

You did it?

My daughter and first grade we did it.

I did some, you know, I could put that. But that's easy to teach though. Travel the harder. I had it. I had a lady that was good.

Yeah. I get a curriculum. You know, and then I'd have a pick a curriculum and I like I had a lady. But the first year she was by herself, which she'd look at me when I'd leave her in the classroom.

I was. You know, we don't want to be sitting by themself. So then I found a public high bread school where she would go two days a week. And then I moved her to a local Catholic school. And now she goes to a big public high school and she's doing great.

But for all the same reasons, you start looking at this stuff and figuring that you want to try to give a education that is not so drowning in and beating them down. Yeah. You know what I mean? Not really exactly.

I mean, let me think about beating them down. Well, meaning everything was taught from a place for a while, like pointing out everything bad. And you can't say this. You can't feel it.

This way or so much guilt education. Yeah. Oh, you're bad to feel this way or that way. And so I didn't. I thought it's just too heavy and also like just a hatred of anything.

And I just, I always, you know, like an optimism, positive and why not share different ideas.

Why not have different things of opinions and create an environment where you can talk about different things. Yeah. It feels like there's a lot. Yeah.

Like kids were just feeling bad about things.

“They were like, we did this or like our people said, what are we doing?”

We go to my kids and say, when I would get stuff, I'd say this is not the history of how the shit started. This is not real. We didn't have any of this shit, you know, so you'd have to kind of go and that's a lot of work.

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I don't have a marriage right now, someone that you are serious with. No, but I would like to get there so it will happen sometimes soon. What's your process for that? That's been the problem. I've been working so much that I didn't really focus on it much, but now I'm trying to focus

on it more. How old are you if you don't mind?

“I'm 45, so I'm going to die soon, but I'm going to, you know, I think the thing that”

happens is we're so focused on the career and it takes up so much time and it's easy to put that to the sidelines, but then as you get older, sometimes the joy or the things we got from the career on as high as they were and you start to look at family in the idea of it and say that would be fun. You take kind of the same approach that you take towards your career and you start to put

those ideas on meeting somebody and then you start to work at it in the same kind of way. I think my opinion sometimes what are the things I'm doing that are good, what's not good, what's a good thing to bring to a relationship, what's not working on yourself in a weird way, you'll come in contact with somebody more than I got to go to the right class or go out during the day, it's more about doing that kind of work on yourself and then I think

you'll kind of attract somebody in the similar mindset, but I would say put, don't put it off, just focus on it a little bit and the same way that you've done with your career,

“you have to do that and you're like, yeah, I got to a point like you did and I thought,”

I first thought, maybe you don't get all the cards in life, maybe I was so not focused

on this, but it just doesn't work out. Now I'm older and I wish I would have gotten started sooner, but then I thought, you want to ask God for those years back, I can get those years better than I would have had them if I'm asking for them now, because now I'm wanting that, so now that you want it, you say, why can't I have it now and whatever way it looks for you at 45?

Yeah, I think you're right, I think the more I just keep realizing it's not me like, because sometimes I don't really want to go out or go do this thing or something, but maybe I'll meet somebody, right, and maybe I'll, but then it's a lot of times, I'm still meeting somebody with the same kind of, I'm showing up with some of the same problems that I still are there to prevent me, so I think you're right about, instead of like, out there metal

detect and maybe stay home and work on the magnet a little bit. But I think do it with grace too, you can say, you know, I don't want to do this, this would be better, what do I look, and also I think you go, what do I want in a person that I'm going to be married to? What do I want, what don't I want? I'm just thinking about it. It's almost like the same as a stand-up, you what kind of venues do I want to play, what kind of podcast,

what do I want to do, what, and by making those decisions, you can manifest something you're

“excited about. Yeah, I think I'm a good mom, that's what I want to have, a white that's a good”

mom, that's probably the hundred percent, you know, did your wife have to introduce you to her dad or whatever, like they do in the movies or whatever? They were kind of, I've met them pretty quickly, I, I did call him and someone asked her to marry and he, I think he was appreciative of it, but they weren't as much like that, I was raised like that, were you? No, there was like a lot of domestic abuse in our area and people like hiding drugs in each other's, you know, bad rooms and

stuff like that, so it was more, those relationships that aren't going well. Yeah, pretty much, right, but I'm saying you would want to, you know, the family. Yeah, yeah, I would like to have like a family, you know, I'm okay with like people fighting at night before they go to bed show me a normal family, I'll show you a liar, everyone's gonna go through their bullshit, you know, no one's like fucking killing it, you know what I mean, I've got their shit they fight about,

every day is anybody's mad at anybody, so that's never gonna go away, you just try and

name it a little better, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, just shoot a little bit, a little bit, I just want my error to end at least in a different area, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but do yeah,

we tried to like put all of our tears in like a little jar and we're gonna take them to the

police and be like, look what's happening in the house, but they won't stay in their day,

“like in the morning they were gone or whatever, and that interesting, yeah, but I remember that”

I remember us like, were you real tight with your mom? No, we weren't that tight, but we're tighter now. That's good. Yeah, I just went and surprised her for Valentine's Day the other day. That's nice. We had a nice time, dude. You got brothers and sisters? Oh, yeah, I got to call brothers and sisters. Close, it's gotten better over the years. Yeah, what about what do you got? Same, so older sisters, and I remember the boy, I was a youngest, yeah, and they were older sisters? Yeah, no,

did they ever have friends come over and you're just like, "Aglinner, whatever?" Oh, when you put on a tight fight, they were five or six years older, so I was the best. I would sometimes get thrown under the bus to look cool for the older friends, you know, like you hang out and play, and then when the older friends would come, you weren't included. Oh, again, that's in your shirt, yeah, go hide, man. Yeah, did they call you,

Vince or is that what they call you? They call me Vince if they weren't mad at me, and they call you anything. We fight like crazy, younger. You'd be like, "You'll be hot, and then you'd be friends, and you'd love each other." You don't like anything. Yeah. You really go at it when you go, "I did you have this?" Sometimes even when you get in a fight with your siblings, it's really like a game of tag. You'd be so pissed and you'd hit somebody, but then you'd be afraid,

because now you got 'em. So then they turn around, and now they try to come to get you real bad, and you were trying to get to the door to shut it, and then if they got you, it would go the other way. Yeah. So it's like, whoever got the other one hard last is kind of how the fights would go. Yeah, and when somebody really brought it to mom, and then seeing kids run around their mom, it's one of the funniest things, you know? Like they're hiding. It's so funny when you watch it,

you kill with their mom sometimes, and then it's like, you know, they're moving in between the

“moms, like they're just running, or, you know, they're all like, are they're fighting around the mom?”

That kind of shit's flowing. We even have kids play hide and seek. Like an ostrich, their ass will stick out, but their head will be behind the curtain. You ever seen kids play hide and seek? Well, dude, sometimes the kid will just sit there and cover his eyes, it's like, and why would I do? We could see you, dude. Like, there's not a kid in that period after the kid. Yeah, we didn't have, I think we had to, we had a decent amount of, like, uh, they sort of

a law that they would put, like, if you was, like, a sex fenders or whatever, children, sex fenders, they had to go run and go door to door, right? Which was the worst, because we all, we lived at home. Our mom was working, so we just beat these guys, we'd come in and be like, "Can't have to let you know, I live in the air, I'm a sex fender, it would just be us kids." Even the air, I'm into super young guys. Just letting, you know, mom, but mom would be gone.

And that was like at an every house on, like, "Who put this rule together?" Yeah, now it's on an app. Yeah, that's easier now. I know, it's weird, because you're like, "Oh, Jesus, I overhear."

It's only 60 feet away. We were not, we just walk around. We were always outside going around. Nobody paid attention to us.

Yeah, that was being, living in that was the best to win this one, can it curvy that tried to crawl through the ditch, culvert one time, and the government had to come and get him or whatever, I remember. The government had to come and get him. That government, man, came down to do some work.

“She had like, that was the best way this evening. Milford, that would drive the school bus,”

and he was always, they were always common in check and to see if he was drunk. It was just like, it was, yeah, but there was nothing like that being like, we find out stuff later than a teacher molested people and stuff. Oh, yeah. We find that out later. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, that kind of took a turn. Let's talk a little bit about, well, I watch your movie. Mike and Nick and Nick and Alex. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool, man. It's cool. The way that they shot somewhere, they slowed it down. Yeah.

You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, it was interesting. Was that a choice that was made kind of later? Do you have any clue or do you have anything to do about this? A director who puts it all together. And he kind of has a stylized point of view to do it. But I, I like that. I thought it came out cool. Yeah. Well, it's just bizarre. It was like, it just like, it made me think, oh, things came into practice. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, when he would do flashbacks, you're saying,

well, like, even with the, like, there's like a more than that cat that's in there and they show him, but it's like, it goes in slow motion just for like a moment or something. Yeah. It's a pretty stylized. Yeah. It's what I thought. I agree. Um, yeah. And so I don't want to give too much of it a little other way. But so your character, kind of goes back, what can we say? Is it whatever you want? Just kind of a sci-fi thing where it's, it's rated, it's like a rated or comedy with action.

And it's got this kind of sci-fi twist to it. And your character, you have, you play two,

two characters of you. Yes. Yeah. It was kind of cool to see like, because you always

wonder, well, I wonder what it would be like if you played this character in this thing, while you're watching somebody and something, but to see him play two people, it was like, oh, that's, it's like, I can't explain. It was just like, it was almost seem like an experiment. It's crazy what they do with technology now, because you kind of film one side of it, then you film the other side, and they put it, you know, together, like, it's one thing,

the technology's gotten so much more advanced. Was there tough moments to play like two different characters in the same thing, or you didn't really think about it? I was amazed at how different

get confused, but I didn't at all. Yeah, they make them a little different, because one's obviously been alive longer and you're going back in time. But yeah, it was a different experience for sure. So I kind of like doing stuff that's a little different. You get bored doing the same stuff. So any time I'm doing something, that's a little different. I like that. So it was, it wasn't too bad. I mean, sometimes it was just more stuff to film, because you're playing

two characters in a scene. Oh, that's true. But I like trying different stuff. Was there, um, I read some of the URL, almost in the matrix one time. I don't know about that.

“That wouldn't, I don't remember that. I don't remember that.”

Sometimes there's stuff I've turned down, but that, I don't remember that being one of them. Yeah.

Your first, one of your first movies was, um, Rudy. Mm. That's the best, huh? That was fun.

Yeah. Dude, I still sometimes, uh, see that got clapping by that. So funny, bro. Yeah, that's so funny. That's such a mean. It's so crap. Oh, slow class. Charles S. Dutton, that's the actor. Yeah, he was great. Yeah. Did he pass away? I don't know if he did or he didn't. Let's go back to the board here. I think he was cool. He was great in that part. Oh, he was so good. Great speech. To Rudy. Yeah. That was gratitude. So alive. Hell yeah. Come on, Charles. Show them, Charles.

And he was in the show. Yeah, that it's like a rock when I was a kid that he was on. Mm. Yeah, that guy was a great dude. Um, did you ever meet the real Rudy over there? I did. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't hang out with him much, but he was there. That's why I did a few times. Yeah. Yeah, because I went over there to miss a walk in the NIH to do comedy over there. Sometimes he had a comedy club, right on the own, he owned a comedy club.

No, no, they had one on the edge of town there right outside of where Notre Dame was.

“Gotcha. And uh, and how it go? Have you been to a game there?”

Uh, I never been to a game. It's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Tradition. Yeah. Oh, I would love to go.

Well, the grass right there when you walk onto the campus at Notre Dame, it's like beautiful. And then when you're off the grass, all the campus, it's a little bit different grass. Totally. They do it. It's more like the grass has been drinking or whatever. You know, during the day, even that day drinking. Yeah, but on campus it's super nice. Yeah, they take care of it. For sure. Oh, is that the campus right there? Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's a nice picture.

Give me a moment with the snow right there. That's nice. Yeah, that's one thing I do like about Nashville is that we do get some cold weather over there. That's kind of a vibe. Do you miss out about the Midwest about having cold weather? I think you're used whatever you get used to. I don't mind the cold. I'm always ready to be done with it. Come January. I like it for the holidays. Yeah. But come February. I'm done with it.

As a kid, I loved it. What would y'all do? Just go play in the snow or get a snow day. You know, as an adult, you're scraping it off the driveway. You're scraping your car. It's more maintenance. Yeah. And getting kids ready in the snow is a lot more time. You've got a lot of you had to lock them down. Lock them down. And then the face is just like a thing of snot and this red, like Christmas story. Yeah. Dude, the guy from Christmas story. I met him with you.

Yeah, he's one of my best friends probably. He has a best friend Peter Billingsley. Yeah, he's my closest friend.

“He's a great guy. Yeah, because I met you guys. Did you guys started the Wild West comedy festival?”

What was that? Like, because that was the national comedy festival, right? Yeah. Well, what it was, I'll tell you what it was. I had a lot of friends that were stand-ups. But there wasn't any opportunities for stand-ups. This is in the like 90s. Yeah. We did swingers. We wrote the in the in the script. It was the line that said, because Fabro's character was a stand-up, an stand-up in that movie. So he wrote the line saying, in the 80s, it felt like they were handing out

pilots to stand-ups. You know, at the airport. And then it was a time where there really wasn't a lot for stand-ups. So I just started trying to help friends of my out that were stand-up comedians. I did that Wild West comedy show where I went around and did 30 days and put Sebastian was on that. Some of you all just do it everywhere. I just would go hit 30 cities in 30 days, because it seemed fun to me. So I did me to perform every night. We did 30 nights in a row.

But I was really trying to help some of my friends like I'm mad that I knew guys that were stand-up comics. Oh, yeah, John Capriola saw the last night at the comedy story. So there was a bunch of stand-ups, because there wasn't as much opportunities. It's crazy, because now stand-ups have a lot more opportunities on their way. But anyway, they started going. But now, then what happened is the stand-ups now have a lot more opportunity. But at the time, it wasn't as viable. I think

in the last 15-year stand-up really had this renaissance where so much came out of it. And I look at the stand-up stuff a little bit like what happened with improv. I did improv when I was a kid in Chicago when I was in high school, because there was a improv Olympic that was an offshoot of

second city. But it wasn't just a place to go train, and it was fun. It wasn't that big, big of a deal.

I enjoyed it, and I learned stuff there. But I didn't stay the whole time. I came out to California after high school. But as I got older, there started to be these different improv groups. And then it became like a religion. This improv group thought that that improv group wasn't good. This improv group was good at sketch. This was good at characters. They don't. And I thought this is

beating or whatever. It's like, what do you talk about? It's so fucking crazy to me. And so then stand-up kind of went through the same thing where it started to form into like this stand-up group, this group, or a comic is this. And I thought Jesus is the same shit where it starts to get too

“self-important. And I think ultimately comedy is a big tent. You can go real cerebral or you”

can be physical. It doesn't matter. So it's nothing that there's nothing that, you know, prestigious or like a stamp of approval about it. Yeah, I agree. It's gotten to that place recently. There's been like kind of like infighting. I don't know if it's like rappers. Yeah, it is. It's so silly. But everybody's afraid to kill each other. It's weird, right? It's just so stupid. So I'm just saying we either, either, we need a two pocket big even if we need somebody.

Got to go real bad. Yeah. To get good. Yeah. Or it's just got to stop. Or it's silly. But it is silly. I believe a lot of you got political too, I think. Politics came in a stuff. I think that's happened a lot over the past few years with people like attaching themselves like heavily attaching themselves to politics, which is part of the job because you're going to talk about current events. Right, but to attach yourself. But you don't want to become part of a group

in Joe like you're now you're a champion for one idea. Yeah, you want to make fun of everybody.

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. It's happened more over the past few years. But it's always been that

well, it was for a long time it was like, you know, Hollywood is pretty much over the kind of

“a liberal place. Yeah. And so you would have, but not really. Yeah, you know what I mean?”

Yeah. It's more like we're smart and got it figured out. And if you don't agree, then you're in idiot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not liberal in the way that we think. We're like, hey, it's all groovy. Right. Yeah, it's not liberal like a hippie with a joint. No. No. Maybe it was for suit of happiness. That's cool. Whatever makes you happy. Right. That's cool. Maybe it was at one point though, I think. I don't know. But it's definitely got more of a

leadist take like this is all way or the highway. I think it's changing now. Well, do you think it's dissolving now? Or do you think it's just spacing out more now? Like that's an interesting conversation too, because I hear this from the different groups too. I do think that there's less control in some ways. But I also thought I also think that they put themselves in a corner with trying to please everybody. You know, you're going to catch pneumonia. You're

trying to please everybody. So it's like that old Vonnegut quote. So yes, I think I think I think there

was a more of a stranglehold with ideas. But there's always been people who feel differently

within that. It's like any group, I guess. But yeah, I think what we're saying is similar that it was never really a place where within individuals and friends and we could always disagree and always joke with each other. People might age, I disagree agree. And you could change our minds, we'd laugh, we joke. But there was definitely a culture that if you didn't agree with these ideas, you were looked at as bad. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think Hollywood do. He got more political.

I don't know if they got more political. No, they got rewarded for it. Yeah, they started to come out there and do it. And I don't even know how much everyone even is informed on everything. Yeah. But they really like to get out there and do it. Oh, yeah. But it's also wild how those people speak on one thing. But there'll be another topic that's way bigger in their hypocrites too. A lot of times. Like anybody is. Oh, for sure, dude. I'm a totally like, I feel strong about this. But

it's a strange thing when you start going like, you know better than some. Yeah, that's when it gets weird. It's one thing to say, this is where I'm at. Yeah. And then here's someone else's point of view. And disagree or agree. It's another thing to be like, I'm so right. Yeah. And I got it. And I'm going to help you or condescend you. That's the part that no one, I mean, who wants, no one wants to hang out with that. Yeah. So I got through that. My age in his right and so this,

I'm going to have to tell you what they think. You know, that's also another like, you know, that happens. Yeah. Where people are like, I feel like they have to think how their agents are managers. You know what I'm saying? Where they feel pressured to think of service. That's terrible. And that happens. But that's the problem. If you're going through life, trying to check boxes like the width, like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, like, let me get the

broom. Let me do this. What is the Wizard? You're not thinking for yourself. You're just trying to do

the things you're supposed to. But it's always better if you get quiet and do what's in your heart

and do what you think is right. That's when you carve out stuff and make your own path. And probably the best of and get the best of out of you even creatively. 100%. And have the courage I think to be honest, try to be. And, you know, go out. That's the problem. I think that happened

“with film comedies. And that's why I think stand-up got stronger is they, you know, stand-ups would”

kind of, it was easier to give someone money for a special and say, we're going to knock. That's their special. But the studios weren't going to produce a comedy and have more of, uh, be more responsible

this is their thing. That's their thing. We're out of it. We're just hiring a special. But the truth is,

most people, they want to laugh. They don't want to see stuff be precious that you can't talk or joke about. Oh, most people can make fun of themselves. You know, in the real world, if you don't have a sense of humor about yourself, then it's a, it's a lonely experience. You know, you got to be able to laugh at yourself. You can look back at stuff that you believe so strongly a few years ago and laugh

“about it. So I think you got to have that quality in comedy is that being able to laugh at stuff.”

And I think that it was easier than to go, okay. Well, we're going to just have a stand-up and that's their point of view, then it was to, they got too complicated not to offend anybody with going and making a movie, right? We're trying so hard not to offend anybody. What do you think is wild? Is that make sense? For sure it does. I think it's one of the reasons why I've seen a lot of, um, why a lot of the late shows have struggled because all they did during like all they did, the

only person they could make fun of at a certain point was just like white, red, neck, kind of people, and it fucking tan, and then everything tanked after that. Think about that. This is, let's see, they never get it right. The podcast have gotten so much more popular with less production, less writers, less staff. Oh, yes, and why it doesn't really work in your and both of them are hungover. And then one guy has shankles, but the place is clean. I like that. You keep a clean

place. Thank you. Yeah, we did a vacuum. But, uh, but yeah, because people want authenticity. Yeah.

“And I think that I think that the talk shows to a large part became really agenda-based. Yeah.”

They were going to evangelical people to what they thought. You know what I mean? And so people just rejected it because it didn't feel authentic. It felt like they had an agenda. It stopped being funny and it started feeling like I was in fucking a class I didn't want to take. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? For sure. I've been scolded. 100%. Yeah. 100%. And so I think that's the phenomenon isn't what they say.

They always blame technology. But the reality is it's the approach. You know, someone could go

watch a stand-up at Madison Square Garden and they want to go because it feels dangerous. The crowd is alive. I don't know what feels going to do or say and I love taking that experience. So it's fun. I don't want to stay home and watch it on a TV because I want to experience that life. Right. So when you're coming from, that's the, that's the main point. And I think people are going to tune into a podcast more so because they want to feel like people are having a real

conversation. That's interesting to them. But if you look at what happened to the talk shows and why their ratings are low, it's got only to do with the fact of what you just said, which is they all became the same show. Yeah. And they all became so about their politics and who's good and who's bad. And it's like, imagine sitting next to someone like that on a fucking plane. Oh, bro, you'd be like, how do I get out of this fucking sweet fart right next to the cow? You fart your way out of it.

Yeah, I would. Oh, I would. Yeah, sure. And I forgot to scunk up. You know the post. The scunk's the king of the jungle. No one's put with the scunk. We're going to watch all the fucking videos you want. No one's playing with the scunk. Scunk in the food chain of the woods. Yeah, fucking scunk is here. You get yourself a Pippo. I don't get the fuck what you got. The honey badger. The fucking scunk is the king of the jungle. Don't bring that bad ass around.

“Yeah, I think it's the right. The devil's alone. That's it. The devil's alone. That's it. The devil's”

going on daddy. Look at that. You can talk about whatever the fuck you want as far as an animal and velocity right there. All hill the king. Oh, that motherfucker's going where he wants. You might need a nap. He might be like a lover that needs to recharge. You know what I mean? He might be like an older lover. He might not be able to go 10 times in a day. But that one or two times he's going to get it right. But what do you have for lunch? Oh, they don't have to. He wants whatever's around.

He can get a spray and get everyone else to scurry. Don't bother him. God, what's that scunk puts it's till up? You got a real decision to make. What a fuck. How fucking, how much of a badass are you? Yeah, right. So if you brought that scunk mentality to the plane, you fucking run that shit. Well, I'm just saying every hell and then if somebody won't fucking shut up dude, you're going to put some ass on it. Well, you just got to be a, you know what I'm saying?

You got to be the king of the juggle. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying for sure.

Yeah. But did you ever feel, you never felt ostracizing and by Hollywood at all or no?

I always, I got along with people for the moment and always was, you know, always had a great career. Try to be honest who I am. But yeah, there's times you felt like it would have been easier. It's almost like a career move. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean? But I was always the other way, too. Like I'm not jumping on a hundred percent this because I have opinions on both sides. There's shit I still want to agree with at all. Yeah. And then there's shit I don't agree with at all.

I don't see how people could could choose a side completely. It's so crazy. Because also when you're on a side, you're on a side fuck that I want to be able to have the freedom to go. Yeah. Yeah. And also some, I'm going to agree with this over here. I agree with this over there. And it is what it is. But I, I just, we never cared about it so much.

We weren't 23 sitting around talking about five, three taxes. Yeah. But I think as it started to do encroaching on us, for me, I started to go a little bit back here because nobody wants to be, yeah, you told what to do. Or feel like everything you do has to be through the certain lens that's worrying about if people think you're kind or not. Like you're not going to know, especially when everybody's pretending a lot of times because I would have friends acting one

way, but then like kind of speaking another way sometimes. Well, those are the people that are so focused on how they're coming off. Yeah. You know, they're worried about, and that's not a real

“journey. And you're hurting in that. I think we all go through those stages, younger. Like everyone”

learns that lesson. We'll be all going to be accepted. Yeah. But you learn younger the right way

to do it. Hopefully we never get it perfect. And you'll learn the wrong way. But if you're constantly

worried what someone else thinks of you and you're only around them a couple hours a day, you're miserable most of the time. You've got to really try to be, you know, find the way to be yourself but be respectful. You know, that's the other side that I think happened is when I was a kid if I was loud and a restaurant my parents would say these people didn't come here to hear you. Yeah, fucking scream. Well, did you stare at the honest wrong and you got, I got dog talked. Yeah. But now if

you're mad and a restaurant, they'll say, are you okay? And I just think it's important to be aware of how you're affecting other people. Yeah. But if you're all about you and you're right and they're bad and you're good, then you're okay to go after somebody because you're not really thinking about what

“that's what their shoes are. You know, yeah, we've started to like make it seem like the delusional”

isn't delusional sometimes. Say that again. Like, yeah, something delusional, but if we act like it isn't over and over and we would be like pretend. Yes, it's almost like you said like the boiling water like gets the degree higher one degree at a time, you know. Yeah, saying that like as they changed the laws a little bit at a time, you're kind of wake up and you go, this has gone way further than, but it happens so slowly. Yeah. Yeah, you're like, if they would have done this at once,

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Did your fan get, do you always live in California since you moved here? No, I went back to Chicago

for a minute, but I lived in New York for a while, but I'm out here now. I like California. I just

It's a lot of energy. It's also just, you know, you're not getting, things aren't getting handled well.

“There's no accountability. It's like a bad relationship. Something someone doesn't do with”

they said they're going to do and there's no, I'm sorry. Or want to change. Yeah, I agreed. It's definitely

gets, but I still love California. Oh, I just realized this my second time back and like about three

months, but I was here like about two weeks ago and I do miss it more. I just miss some of the energy, like I live in Nashville now and there's just less energy that, you know, it's just different, you know, like here you can meet more people, there's more like things going on. But you're in a great spot where you can do both. You can enjoy your time here and you can enjoy your time here. Yeah. So it's been good, man. Yeah. Um, the, what did I see? Oh, Chicago, you said, uh, are you a

bear spinner? No, I am. Yeah. Dude, fucking Williams bro. He's, he's really great for like four and a half minutes of game that I see. I mean, if you look at that NFC, we barely beat the packers and the Rams barely beat us and then we're obviously, right, then they lost. Those games were all so close, but it was exciting because we've been so bad for so long. Oh, it was good to be good. We were channeling through the TV, we were like screaming like, "Is somebody make this happen? Who do you, who do you,

cheer for?" I'm a Saints fan. So, yeah. Yeah. We've had a tough, you know, do you know,

do you know some of those guys? I like the Saints organization. I like Mickey, the G. I never met

me. He's a great guy. Is he? Yeah. Yeah. He's good friends with Hayden. Oh, he is. Yeah. Wonderful. I haven't met him then. Um, no, I haven't met him yet. They had a good year. They turned around this show. Yeah. They told everybody's excited about him. Yeah. Who just had a baby bring up a pitch of his baby since we were a Cincinnati fan of there. Cam Jordan's a great guy that plays over there in that organization. He just came out and said nice things about your quarterback.

He did. He's, uh, Jordan's nasty. He's fast. Yeah. He's a great. He's a past rush all, all by himself. I would not want him chasing me. I wouldn't even go knock on his door and run off for whatever. You wouldn't want him coming and saying, I moved to the neighborhood and I got a register. Yeah. I'm going to go nowhere bro. You ain't getting away. Oh, I'd be like a basement. I'll get it over. I'm going to get it over. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to keep you safe. Um,

do you wish when you look on that on that, uh, there he is. Right. Yeah. I know he's had a baby congratulations to you. Yeah. He'd be one. Um, do you, when you look back at that bear's game, do you think that they, do you wish it would go on two on that moment? Like, just that momentum was there. It was amazing to hit that crazy pass. That was a tie at a, no, we had that last drive all we needed was a feel go. But we got, you know, it was, it was the same kind of thing. A lot we lived and died

by the sword all season. Yeah. So I, I thought it was a, a fun year. What a love to one the game. But there's a lot of pieces to be excited about. Yeah. Just that confusion at the end. Like, how does they not know which way the guy, like, as a fan? I'm sure it's way more complicated as a player. But it's a thing. You're like, how do you guys not know what the, this is the most

crucial moment? I know. I don't know what happened there. I've heard different stuff. I don't know

anybody. I don't think anybody. And then it's almost like, was every just so cold they wanted to go home.

“There's a little bit of energy. Because I think that happens. A lot of you just like, I'm so”

cold. I just want to go home. Yeah. You think it was to be advantage for them. They'd be more used to it. You never know. Because some of those guys could be from Louisiana playing on the team. It's not like all them grew up in the cold. Oh, I were all from everywhere. I wish that teams had their all the players from their state. I think it would give us so much more of like a our state. Virtue years. It used to be more of that way with college. But it's, that's in a, in a crazy place now. Yeah, the college game.

It's gotten bad. I think it's good people are getting paid. I just don't think they figured it out. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're like the kind of the wow west years of it. Do you, the bears might be moving their stadium. Do you see that? I saw that. What do you think about that? Well, I'd like to see them stay. But I think they got to figure something out with the state. I haven't followed it too closely. What do you know about it? It seems like in Zaxa, one of our producers is a bears. He's a

bangles fan. But he's in the know. It seems like it's because time is ticking for Eleanor lawmakers to make a better offer for the bears on Thursday. Indiana push legislation forward that clears the way for the bears to build a new stadium in Hammond. Is it just because they're

“willing to give them more money? I have, I think it's something to do with economics, obviously.”

Yeah. I don't know what. I think there's a big tax incentives to go over to Hammond, Indiana. And Hammond, Indiana isn't exactly like the coolest place. So I think there's some people set it up. It's close though. It's right over there. Yeah. And it's Chicago. It's such a vibe. And that's setting people seem to be like widely. But. And also, if you move something to a new place, then there's going to be so much surrounding. You know, I'm saying they can put in all types of programs to go on.

Yeah. I like to see it. It's like, it's the, it's the second oldest franchise in the NFL. The oldest is the Cardinals, which is from Illinois originally before they went to St. Louis. Oh, it was originally the Illinois. It was Chicago. It was from Illinois.

And then they went to St. Louis and then they ended up in Arizona. They're like a senior citizen

“as you get older. You start to move warmer and warmer, right? They follow the, they follow the moving”

habits of like someone who's retired. Oh, yeah. But the bearers, the bears are such a, the bears are such a crazy, you know, George Hallis, it's so crazy that it's only the NFC trophies named after

him because he was really the, he was the first one to get a college player to play for the NFL.

The Galloping Ghost. Did you know that? Mm-hmm. Well, originally pro football was just farmers. And, you know, there was no, no well-known names because there was no money in it. And college football was real popular. But going to college was even harder back then. So when you'd come out of college, if you had a degree, you had a real opportunity to earn money. Oh, so you're good. You go work. Like I'm not going to go screw. I can't go screw around to be a bunch of bunch of bunch of

these red next set. I'm going to go play football. No one's watching. So how is he played for the Yankees? He was a baseball player. He went to red grains from the University of Illinois. And he said, "I'll give you a half the gate. If you come on a barnstorming tour, we'll go play places." And then people showed up. They'd go watch that. They'd go watch red grains. She was a big time college player. And so when they got red grains to join to play with the bears, they knew if they could get the

college guys to come in. The fans would grow. And then the college guys were more open to it because you could pay them because you'd get the fans to fill up the stadiums. Why? Then when they first did it, whatever college you were from, you would play for that local team. Because the college would already be a fan of you. The people in the area would be a fan. So let's take it that way. So then they started the draft after that. But George Hallis did everything. He was a player. He was a coach.

He was an owner. He beat Lambert. He has a coach in his heyday one year. He coached the team and did well. But he started so much that's in the NFL today, pop up air. He was really the

probably the most important figure in the NFL. George Hallis, it would be a shame and he's

from Chicago. So it would be a shame to see that team leave that city with that history for sure. But I hope they, I haven't really looked into it. But I hope they're able to figure it out and come to terms that work for everybody. But he's an amazing figure in sports. And they named the NFC trophy after in the House trophy. We're going to have that red grains picture. Thank you, George Hallis. For your effort. Look at red grains. That's the other quarterback. You could make the

argument for his autograph. He was from King and Illinois. When you look at him, it's crazy. I think he won. I could be wrong. But did he win seven championships in 10 years as a quarterback? I think he played for the Browns, right? I don't know. But here's what's interesting about him. He went to North Western. He hit, he was a, he had a 300 batting average in college. And that's when everyone

“played baseball because baseball was the only way to make real money was king. And he played basketball”

in college. And I think he won up what would be an NBA championship. He was like the six man on a pro team. So he won a championship and professional basketball hit 300 in college. And I think is a quarterback that he won seven championships in 10 years, right? Yeah. Is that right? Is that crazy? Think about that. And you know, everyone wants to say the go-to-go. But you can't really compare air to era. You know, Jordan said it's hard to say who the greatest of all time was because

it was different rules at different time. And one person learns from the next person. So auto-gram dominated his era, obviously Brady dominated his era, you know, and this guy. So it's so hard to compare your era to era who was the best. I think sports always want to sell you now that you're watching the best ever because it sells tickets. Who doesn't want to feel like they're watching the best product ever, right? But it's a totally different game than it was

back when you could hit a quarterback. An LT played. Oh, yeah. So I'm not saying that it's not better that they've changed it. I'm just saying it's hard to compare one quarterback from an era to another. Well, they never had turf toe when we were growing up. Remember when did they come out with that? No. You don't say it though? Like you've never heard a guy as turf toe. You live here. A guy toe was in pain. So he carved it off with his, with his wife's nail clippers on the way to the

stadium so he could still play. I was running a lot right. He took his finger off. He ripped his finger off.

So he could play different era. Yeah. Yeah. Let me see that here. The third thing I always

run. He's running a lot ripped his finger off. He's like I'm going back in. That's a dedication.

“That's not a hobby. But you know, that's what I always think is crazy when you hear about boxers.”

What's the longest boxing fight of all time? I used to play 27 rounds. I think some fought 100 rounds. Am I crazy? Could you jump rope for 100 rounds for three minutes? No way. What's the longest fight? I mean, it's probably the one in gosh. Right now. But I've got a student. Yeah. That's sure. That's sure. Andy Bowen and Jack worked the longest boxing match in it. She was 110 rounds out because they used to fight until someone could answer it. But at the end, we just

whispering heavily at each other. Like how? I figured the bathroom a lot. I don't even think anyone saw it. But so that's the thing that's crazy. And they would fight like, look how many

That how many fights did Sugar Ray Robinson have? Did he have like 300 or something? Is that crazy? Yeah. And now a guy will have maybe 30 30 because they they know they space it out. But how do you compare these guys? How many fights? What was his record? I can't see. At the end he was 174 in 19 and 6. So just about 200. What? Is that crazy? Oh my gosh. Sugar must have been stevia by the end of that dude. He had the Asper team beat out of that. He probably had a turf toe.

He had probably had a turf head at a certain point. Dude, that's so crazy. The difference what's unbelievable. Why do you think someone could be like, well, this is the stuff that they're not, but this is it. I remember when my dad grew up and he'd go to the farm where his dad was because his parents were divorced on the summer. He'd go work the farm. But they didn't have any running water. So he said when they would bathe, they'd go down the fucking creek and fill up the

thing with water. They'd boil it. And then dad would bathe, then his older brother, then him. But I wouldn't that long ago. Yeah. So if you go back then everything took physical strength. Right. Just moving around. No one was sitting around playing Mario Kart in between games.

Right. Your thugs were the strongest parts here, Bob. So you were always like just doing anything

“took so much energy and strength and you're using your muscles every day. So I think they trained”

smarter. They know more. But there's more downtime and less strain on your body doing daily tasks. But back then these guys were just getting from place A to place B was exhausting. Yeah. But I don't know how you could fight 110 rounds. I don't know if you could do jumping jacks for 110 rounds. Yeah. It's so crazy. How did they do that? Remember they used to have 15 round fights and then they went to 12 because they thought 15 was too much. So I don't know how to compare.

How do you compare someone? How do you compare someone from that area to this area? It's just a different time. It's a different sport. And also they say like the diet is gotten better and we have like if all these things have gotten better you think that they would be able to do it more. But then part of it probably has been that the commercialization of it has come in and like well let's only have it be here so we can have the viewership and have the cell that tickets then.

So that could be part of it. Or understanding safety back then like you said they wouldn't even know what turf toe was. It was just you moved on. Oh every other one is going to class I when I was a kid every other person out of the class I like if some guy was going to remember at the fair or whatever when the care fair would come. Yeah. You have a guy that would sit there and have a hat full of people's glass. I think like they said it in there for you went on the ride. They put their eyes out because they

just was on the tilt of war. Or yeah people that had one they were like they leave their eye in the back. They leave it a little basket or whatever. Like basket for eyes and loose change. That's an exciting home town.

I've never saw that get it when you come back out. But you get a four minute at a time and I'm saying

we like people will be tough on a date. There'll be some rides you couldn't go on. Maybe we're not going on the tilt to war honey. I think that's going to let's go on the what's that one that goes up real slow. The fair swear. The fair swear. Yeah. There's that the slow one where you kind of sit at the top.

“Oh yeah. That's that's what you're not going on that salt and pepper ride where you're”

fucking snow that was going up and down. But you should do that with friends. We dare them. We go have like hot dogs or hamburgers and then at the end you dare someone can anyone eat all this for 20 bucks. And someone would be desperate for money. We don't kick it. Maybe like I might have a shake. I'll eat those chili fries. I'll finish that chicken breast sandwich. And then you'd say okay another 20 bucks if you go on that salt and pepper ride. I can lose their shit.

But yeah. I mean it's it's a different it's so weird. I also think the food might have been healthier. Oh, I remember they went through that whole stuff with the oil seed oil and we know it's bad for you. But they went through a whole thing saying you should cook with that. But that then people just cook them with butter. Yeah. I think the food was helped. That was more natural. It was butter. It was less it was less fucked up food in some ways. It's a strong saliva dip spit. People would cook

it. You know what I'm saying? Did you start dipping young? Yeah, because I used to work on a farm. So we would chew the cloth like the block of tobacco like red man. Yeah, like that. Would you do like school when agreeing like the circular one? No, no. We'd plug to back. We all we had to think of that. So we did like plug. When I first started as a kid we didn't know was that bad for you. Because if you knew smoking was bad, but you would think this wouldn't hurt

your then they started showing pictures in the school of people missing their jaws. But yeah, but originally you thought it's not bad for your win. But it was all like the school win a green like the circle stuff. Oh, yeah. And then, but the red man was the leaf. But the first time you do it, you're going to vomit. Oh, yeah. I puked out of my friend's mom's car. The kids were like here, try this. Yeah. And they will watch you fucking bomb. Were you in a car? Yeah. I sat out of

each window. I was like, oh, maybe I'm sick. Just hit this window. And I sat out of each window. There's no way to keep it in more than two or three minutes. You're on the ground. It was the worst. It still makes me fucking sick. It was cherry skull or something. Do you

“remember the first alcohol you got really drunk on? Yeah, dude. Of course. So I was climbing up a”

shelf in my brother's closet. I found a pornoes and pornoes up there. That was a surprise. You

wouldn't expect them. It was a lot of surprises. This one shelf I never had to. They had a little

staccacy in your work. You were a ground barrier. And he was putting shut up past. He was an outing

this kind of like, and I found liquor up there. Yeah. What was it? Alizei, it was called. It was like pretty more of an urban lacour. I think bringing up a bottle of it. It was considered an urban lacour

“right there. The orange was. Have you ever had it since I've never had it said? See, that's how”

it is. My first drunk was peppermint snobs. I never touched touch it again. I think the first time

you get really drunk. You never revisit that. Yeah. Ever. Ever. But the first, how did you do it? Were you playing quarters? Were you just drinking by your, were you with friends? No, you by yourself. Watch yourself. Oh, I'm not there. I remember drinking and then watching porno or whatever. And then because you had started off as a fun afternoon. We're over. Like here 30 years later, it's still I was still in an issue, you know? Did you just go through like what, like a quarter of a bottle

or a couple glasses? I think I had four sips. You're dolphin and blacked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You woke up with the evidence all around. You didn't even clean up the crime scene. We'll go up. Yeah, with my glass. I in a half. Yeah. Friends were over here. I'm pissed that they left the house. Yeah. Can you believe some kick him over here? You're off on my stomach and drink some of this and laugh. Yeah. Times have changed. With your new movie, if you could go, Mike, Nick, Nick,

and Alice. Yeah. If you could go, because your character kind of goes back in time to make something different. Right. Is there a time if you could go back in time that you would go back to kind of like, I know it's a general question. It's kind of whatever. But, you know, it fits with the film, man.

“Yeah. And it makes you think, what would you go back to change? Because I think it used to be people”

with like, I go back and stop Hitler. I do go back and, you know, I go back and help him to pull in or do whatever. I think he would or I go back and like being, you know, demand you one or whatever. Right. But then now it's like people I think would do individual things. Like I go back and you know, buy a bit coin or something, you know. There's more realistic. Right. It's a crazy thing to think. You're going to go and be the one guy to fucking battle up. Go to the

king and tell him to shut the fuck up. No one else is. You know what I mean? Like people always like that.

It makes me laugh. Right. I go do the, oh, would you have? Yeah. Maybe. I'll go back and tell him. Yeah. Obviously no one's walking up to the guy and saying, hey, Hitler, call back. Yeah. I'll be the guy. That's hilarious. Have you thought about in your life what you would do? Yeah. I think I would go back maybe to a certain time probably. And I think I could have been better like in this one relationship I was in probably. That's a great, that's a great thing

“that you feel that. But I would say to you, I had had those thoughts. But then I realize you have to”

travel down every road you travel down and you don't get to learn those lessons without making those mistakes. And so you're kind of in a good spot now. You're very reflective. You think about stuff. And so maybe if you hadn't gone through those things, not that you want to, you know, get hurt or hurt anyone. But sometimes you got to go through those lessons. And so like what we were talking about earlier, where I said, you can ask for those things now, you've got to take that

knowledge and bring that to your new thing. Yeah. And maybe you think if you went back, but normally the person you were dating was sometimes had their own lessons to learn. And that's why you found each other. And you can romanticize like what if we were each different people, but you weren't. And hopefully you're both better people from the experience. So I think you can not go back to that, but you can take the lessons and have something great now. And I don't know

that you would have been in that relationship with that exact person. If you were a different person at that time, there was probably something with her going on too that drew you guys together to teach each other that whatever that experience was. Makes sense? Yeah. Yeah. No, it does make sense, man. Yeah. I think there's just like a probably, it's almost like an ego part of it once I think about it now from that. It's like, yeah, you just wish you could go back and love somebody different.

I love that. You know, but you can love that person different now. And it's okay for you because you want you, how would you have known that? Yeah. Unless you're going through it. It's like kids, you know, sometimes you take something away from a kid and then you see him cry. You know, if you're just playing with toys, you go, all that, that doesn't feel good. But I don't know that you can learn that without seeing the response of somebody else. Yeah. Do you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. But I think, right. But that's the thing with nostalgia is you can get excited. I think about doing those things the right way now. So you're nostalgic because you look back at those. You don't want to hurt anybody. You wish you could have played it out differently. But it played out the way it was supposed to for where you and that person was at. And also it's our ego.

We're not that powerful. Right. Like sometimes I don't know if you've ever suffered from this.

But I could really get caught up and trying to help friends. And then I realize I use so much time and energy. And I'm really not that powerful. Like I can't want them to change. And the same way that I probably had people try to help me. And I wasn't ready to change. So you really can't

you can encourage them. Right. You can give them grace and be there for them. But ultimately,

you can't really make that kind of a big shift with them. Yeah. Have you found that? Oh, yeah. For sure. You think you can. Or there's times where it's like, yeah, I didn't try this enough or something like that. But yeah. Yeah. I couldn't. Because I think we're hurting. And so when we find better ways of doing things, we want everyone to help that. Yeah. And I don't know if you felt this way. But I don't know. Yeah, I had to go through a lot of it on my own.

You know, like I had to learn those lessons and figure it out. It was like the cavalry showed up and saved me. That they didn't have good people in my life. No, but everyone does. They have to go through

“those stages too. Yeah. Yeah. You have to see something that like surprises you enough or you”

have to, sometimes you have to hit a level for you that's like this has to be different, you know, right. But yeah, you can't, like you can offer suggestions. You can kind of show somebody. You can lead by examples sometimes. And I think you can reflect on times when you handle stuff in ways that you feel good about. Yeah. I don't do enough for that sometimes. But I don't you have a lot of it. Yeah. Probably have some good ones. Yeah. Some really good ones. And as you get older, don't you think

more and more? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so that's, that's what's in front of you. And so that's why I would say the nostalgia's, I like that for myself too. But I realize at some point, I have to take those things and really try to do it with what's in front of me now. And I think you can have that exact relationship. Instead of saying wasting time on saying, well, my older now, I should have started this younger. You can say, I know these things now and I'm going to start it now. And I'm going to get a great

experience based on the things I know. Because the other just takes you in a place where you're

“kind of not allowing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's making sure that you're learning from”

the past, you know. Yeah. And then you feel excited for what's in front of you. And you can't really go back. And that's the thing with stuff. It's like you got to look at it and learn from it. You can't. But then at some point, you got to move forward. Yeah. You know, it's like anything. It's like a set. What did I do right? What did I do wrong? What should I have done? But at some point, you're good to move on and go to the next set. Because if you just dwell on that set,

you can get stuck in it to the point where it's counterproductive. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have a process for that of dealing with? Oh, for sure. Yeah. Do you have a good process now that you feel good about? I think it's gotten better. Yeah. I think even having conversations like this are probably helpful to be honest about it, you know. Same for me, too. Having things are like reminders and be like, yeah. And that's that it's yeah. And I think you can take the things that you've done well

at that in your professional life and apply those same principles to our personal life. Yeah. Or try to. But I don't know that I would go back to answer your question because, and I don't meet your character. If you would ask me 10 years ago, I would have said, oh, for sure. Because I'm not saying there's not things I didn't handle really bad. Yeah.

“Or things I regret. Of course there is. But I think I couldn't change those because I don't”

know that I would have come out as different or stronger or at least more thoughtful if I had gone through those experiences. So you've got to walk down every road, I think. So I like the idea that I could go back. But maybe you'd fuck up some other shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good pull. Oh, I think. I just maybe would push the lesson till later. Yeah. If I still make some of the same mistakes. So I'm like, you know, you get you get better at it. I find that the time in

between the mistakes is long. But they never go away all the way. And your reaction to them

and give yourself a little bit more grace. But yeah, and make it sure you don't go down. And make it sure some of that you don't like, maybe hurt other people as much, you know, you know, or just like, you're more, I could, you're very thoughtful. I bet you don't do that very often. You're more respectful of their feelings in your way. Not like actually hurt some buddy. But I know what you mean. hurt doesn't mean physical necessarily. It means that you made

someone feel unloved or unwanted. Yeah. I appreciate it. Like a bruised banana or whatever. Yeah. But, you know, there's, there's also a thing with being funny and connecting. It's a weird thing because I really enjoy teasing with friends sometimes. And yeah, if someone showed any weakness, we'd kill you until you didn't until it didn't bother you. Anything that bothered you, that was going to be the topic of jokes until you got over it. Wasn't our job to make you okay?

That's a good point. You had a fucking, and I think some of that was good. Oh, dude, it was the best bro. We would fucking everybody would pick on you. Everybody, but everybody got it. You would all deal with it. And now everything is said, it's just now it's more like bullying. Dude, I saw two waymo's bullying of fucking Kia Serente on the way here. And I was like, nobody's helping this guy or whatever this female. I don't know what the comedy. We were just

rude. Oh, so much. And if we knew it bothered you, it would, it would never stop. So it was a weird

concept to me where I thought you're not making fun of each other. Yeah, we were just communicating. Even animals call each other names. I bet a lot. Yeah. You know, we just don't know it. Yeah, they're at least signaling that they're not into what they're doing. Yeah, um, but your care tries to go back in time. Yeah, I do want to make sure that I talk about your

Yeah, it's great to hang with you. I enjoy listening to you and appreciate, appreciate you. So it's fun to get a chance to sit and talk with you. Well, same man. Thanks for all the entertainment and inspiration and like, yeah, just so much good humor over the years. Thank you. The back, back at you. Um, yeah, you're because your care to go back in time. Not really to help himself, though, kind of. That's right. Well, isn't it to help himself in a way? Like,

he's, that's a good point. He doesn't love the way that he's handled stuff. Right. And he realizes the pain he caused. You don't think that's what it's for in the beginning, kind of. That's fair. You kind of get, yeah, like you get that as it goes along a little bit. I don't want to give away too much of it because there's, there's a, there's moments in it that were very like a

“surprise, this music. Oh, there's some good twists. Yeah. Yeah. But I think the concepts, right?”

And I think all of us, hopefully, are that way. I don't know. I think people are happier when you're thinking about others more. And I don't say that in like a kind way like I'm great. I mean, just, it's, it's a general feeling. You feel better when you are thoughtful of others and

connection with them than when it's all about you. We even signed, we never had friends like that.

We wouldn't hang out with somebody that would talk about themselves all fucking day. Yeah. Would you, we'll didn't even have it as much. No. You wouldn't be at the fucking, you wouldn't be included. Nobody wants to hear about how you're doing it. Don't want to see how you're killing it all day. It's so weird. But you know what's, I find now like parents do with their kids. It's everywhere. Me, me, me, me. It's so crazy. It's just in general. I think there's way more of a, it's odd because

you're mirroring the one hand that what we were talking about with this kind of better than now. But on the other hand, it's really kind of about ourselves more. It's a weird cultural moment. Yeah. Well, it's like, we just see so much reflection of ourselves, you know? And we don't have a lot of time to integrate. That's the one of the biggest things I noticed. It used to be like, you go see a movie or you would read a book or you would read some pages of a book or things like that.

And then you're brain in your heart and stuff. It have time to integrate stuff. But now it's like, we'll get on our phone or there's a, there's a next thing. There's a next call. There's so much connection that you're not really processing. Are you good at downtime and process? I'm getting better at it.

“That's great. Because I want it more. I start to realize, oh, there's so much peace in this thing, you know?”

It's like, yeah, there's just, it's almost there's nowhere to hide from the electronic. It feels like sometimes these days. You know, I could be guilty. You get stuff a game or something that you like. Yeah, but you're phone a game, a TV, another screen there and advertise. But whatever, you know, even just a little Chinese guy that's just telling you something, you know?

It looks like it never ends. It's just like a lot of information coming at you. Do you have a good

group of pals and people that you connect with and hang out with a lot in Nashville or here? Or is it more like everyone's in different locations? And you kind of have a way to hook up. Yeah. But I got to do a little bit better. I think I need to branch out a little bit more. I know good people. So I think sometimes I like my alone time. Do you? Yeah, but it can be isolating for me to at some point. I like to recharge. I like that. And then I do like to hang out. But I'm not someone who

wants to hang out four days a week. Did you feel the responsibility? Because you did those you did that as swingers when we all get a Las Vegas. Yeah. Yeah. And did you ever feel like a responsibility to people that were going in Vegas? Like some guy that got like GHB. But I awoke or something. It's like, I'm here because of Vinny. And I'm saying did you ever feel any like you ever like him? And I didn't feel like how many like how many do they're laying without a

kidney and ice bath right now? No, I always looked at like storytelling and comedy like, you know,

there are stories like campfire stories, same with comedy. So they're not like how two books.

“But people, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's crazy. It's like, you know, I remember like when I”

would watch, you know, you know, fun movies that they were escapism. But I never, we were never so fucking dumb that we were like, oh, they're telling me like I got to go out and risky business. I got to go get some hookers and fucking get into Harvard. You know what I mean? Like they were having fun with. They were having fun with what was going on at the culture. Right. So like in that movie, it was the mom and dad are like, you got to go to Harvard. You can't fucking have a party.

And he's like, I'm a fucking horny teenager. I'm looking to, I'm looking to fucking mix it up. Like, I'm living right now. And so the idea of that was the thing that was a problem saying what the fuck and running hookers as a pamper the suburban kids, that's actually the thing that got him into Harvard. Right. It's a crazy movie. But we never were like, oh yeah, these guys are my parents. And they're telling me, I better go fucking start a brothel out of my fucking basement. Go back

to basements. Like, no, it was escapism. It's fun. So like swingers is really about, you know, a friend's helping a friend get past a break up. Yeah. And, but, you know, who wants to watch perfect people? These are people that have some good some bad. And that's the journey of the story where you go through people and you get to learn from what they did right or what they did wrong. If you go back to like, even the Bible or Greek mythology, some of these morality tales. It's like,

everything right. Most of these human stories are someone made a decision based on ego or what was important in the moment. And they paid the price. Right. And that was an important story. Yeah. Well, there were, yeah, like, moral tales, like asub's fables. They have, you know, as you can, like, different things like that. I wonder if they still had this stuff for kids. Because there was a lot of stuff that was like, kind of commenting culture. That was where you would learn things from.

But yeah, if you watch Forrest gump and you go out and break both your legs. So you kind of run across

the country. And try to run. Then I guess you're like, for instance, I mean, I don't. Yeah, I never

took that series. It's like, where the parents at. Yeah. You know, it's like same with albums. We were kids. They started putting these warning labels on an album. Oh, yeah, pernal advisory member of that. It was like, Tipper. Oh, Neil or something. They were put like these, they have pernal advisors. A black and white. But that would make us buy it. Yeah. That's like, let me hear that fucking on the media. Give it to you. Right. Parental guidance. But like,

as kids, we weren't like, when I was listening to NWA, this wasn't like a fucking how to manual. Yeah. I was digging someone, having a strong opinion on a apologetic from their experience. I was like, fuck, I want to let me, let me fucking listen to that. That's fun. Yeah. We were never so fucking dumb. Do you know what? That's part of the problem that they make it. I was like, everyone's so fucking stupid. That what, if you see, you know, any kind of movie or story that it's somehow

encouraging kids to do it. It's like shut the fuck up. I didn't listen to rock and roll and want some people make some bad decisions and laugh. You know, I mean, like, when did that become a thing? We're like, like, if you do a set out, you're funny. I hear your shit. You're not tall suits. That's what did it, probably. People suit for a thing, probably. But yeah, if you got so attached, you're like, oh, I believe this now. I'm going to, like, when you do your sets, and I enjoy them, sometimes you're

going further with a point of view to, to get a point across, you're not hoping you're reaching some fucking eight-year-old kid to go follow, you know what I mean? You're like, right. Yeah, that's all a bunch of kids. You're being entertaining and fun. And I think there's a place for that.

“I think if anything, that's what, that's what got on the way was that everyone started to put these”

things under a microscope. Like, I don't know. Like, when we were kids in school, if we go to the auditorium and they would give us like a safety film on fucking bicycles, you just make fun of that shit all day long. Oh, if I'm not telling kids to go out and, you know, but everyone's got to assume whatever risk you want to take. Like, everyone's different. You got to, you got to decide are you going to cross the highway because you want to get to that candy store and try to dodge

the cars? No one should do that. Yeah. But everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone ultimately is going to make their choices. Yeah. And there'll be people that do and people that don't, you know. Right.

But yeah. But how do we, I saw a bike video and I was like, first of all, I'm never wearing a bike

helmet because I understand it safe. I know it is, but I don't want my children to see me in a bike helmet because it's culture. My son and I would never be able to make eye contact with several of them. I mean, now, we don't have the fuck that was. And in a way, I think it kept us, in some ways, this is, but I felt like I was safer because I could try to jump that. Yeah. But there ain't no fucking way I'm going to jump that. Yeah. Do you know what I mean?

Because they help it. Yeah. Like we knew, I mean, I make it some fucking caps and shit and hit my face if I put like, you know, a wooden board on two things. Oh, but I'm not doing five because I don't have a fucking helmet. You know what I mean? Like it was self-regulatory. You got me all fucking Michelin man and dressed up. I might try to go back like evil and try to jump the fucking snake rubber. But I'm just saying, like

“entertainment and stories, you know, I think have fun with it and you should watch it. But I mean,”

really? What percentage of the population thinks that it's a how-to book? Yeah, who's going to leave it? And by the way, do we cater everything to the fucking scrutiny? Nine kids? Who's looking to jump on a story? He sees like, that's the way to live his life. It's kind of what we do. It's kind of what we've done anyway, and hopefully it's kind of correcting coercion. Can't watch dirty Harry? Because you think you can just go fucking shoot a criminal without talking to him.

Oh, it's escape. You're like, yeah, that motherfucker. You know what I mean? Like you like it as a story. Yeah. But that's what it was. Yeah. But I think everyone kind of got that more. Like I wasn't listening to. No, but I was listening to rock and hip hop and shit. Right. But I think it was lawyers that did it. They're like, oh, this is this is what happened. Well, they do gooders. Maybe they meant well, right. But don't you create a whole other series of problems? Because if you can't

express those feelings through movies and songs, where do those feelings go? Yeah. Like if story telling a stand-up or disappears at the place to express podcast, if we can't express ideas, there are feelings. What do you do with those? They just, you can't have those feelings. It's

“crazy. Oh, I think one day a smile would be an amazing, I mean, you go to see it. You know,”

I don't think so. I don't think, I don't think, I don't think, I hope not. I don't know. You

don't, ultimately I know you don't. I don't think I really, I think it's a warning. Right. I think

this was happiness. Look, children. You know, kids sometimes. I think there's a place for,

for I think it's good. I'm not saying it's all. Yeah. The pendulum always goes too far in one direction.

I think it's good to have skills to talk about stuff. But it's always a little bit like this. Like if you have a breakup with a girl that's bad and we're friends, I'm going to clear the decks or other friends are going to do it and we want to hear everything you got to say about this breakup and we're going to give you our perspective and we're going to really focus on it. And that may go on for a week. But after three weeks, you're not allowed to talk about it anymore. There's nothing else to say.

We got to drop it and move on. You got to get in a new bad relationship. You know, I mean, we can't keep talking about that. Yeah. And so I think what happened sometimes is we're

“indulging talking and exploring it. There's a time to do it. You need to do it. But at some point,”

if you're always bringing up the stuff, you just kind of stay depressed. Yeah. Like there's a process to digesting it and then there's a process of pushing it away and trying to get into something new. But if you're only focused on it, it just doesn't go away. Well, you're kind of getting addicted to

self-pity to at that point in a way. You know, or you're just always living in that and it's going to

make you sad. Yeah. Yeah. And that's I think that's something that's kind of like been like kind of a society. I had just a weird tour that we took in society of like, you know, that there's something always wrong with us. You know? Well, who isn't there something wrong with? Hopefully, everybody's wrong. And you get older. You start to go, my God, everyone's a little nuts. Yeah. Like we're all holding it together. But if you see people by themselves, like there's no one

you would be like, that guy's like, at home, you know, I mean, like everyone's got shit that's crazy. Oh, hopefully. Hopefully. Dude, the best thing is imagining that people are at home just fucking, you know, putting lifts up in the court. Yeah. Irving the courts in front of an

“hopefully some French magazine. Yeah. Close. And the club I think it was called Licklob.”

Your movie comes out on Hulu, March 27th. And, and, and, oh, Jimmy Tattro's in it. His character is hilarious in it. Yeah. He's a great guy. Yeah. He's funny. He's a cool guy. And, um, they said Mars then they're all good in it. That's the lady in it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She's real Foxy. Yeah. And then the other guy, James Mars. That plays Mike. He was cool. Yeah. And he's good actor. He's good actor. Yeah. He did a good job. A lot of good facial stuff. And like, a lot of like, yeah, he's like good

look. And, but he also is entertaining. He reminds you a Roblob a little bit. That's interesting. I could see that. Yeah. Handsome guy likeable. Right. But also like, not just being handsome. Yeah. Vince Vaughn, thanks so much. I think he's a great to see with you. Nope. Yep. Yeah. I'm excited for the bears next season. Maybe we'll be cheering him cool. Is that your, is that kind of like, opportunity? Yeah. Just because we grew up so much. I grew up there watching like, you know,

like the only baseball teams that existed were like clubs and braves, clubs, braves, cardinals though. Like collecting like dominated. Ozzy, a Smith cards. Coleman. Yeah.

Oh, uh, Vince Coleman. Vince Coleman, Ozzy Smith. We were dominant. Cardinals were always

top. You ever hung out on Mark Grace before? I'm minimum. Yeah. He's great guy. He's the best. He is the best stories. Yeah. He'll help a player. Oh, he was so good. But those were the times Andre Dawson. All those guys. Clarks. Cliff. I'm believe. Regmatic. That was like, there was like, only three or four teams that existed it felt like. Yeah. They were popular. Yeah. I had personalized, but Cardinals have been good forever. They're always fine. They're not as much, but they've always

been down. It comes as you know, was a long story. So it was a big deal when we finally won. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you thought of all the different titans at all, um, I wish they would draft Diego Pavia for the same reason that we said that he played at Vanderbilt.

“He crushed it there. I think how fun was that kid to watch so much fun. Dude, I love that dude spirit.”

I loved watching that boy play. A kid from my high school played, played wide receiver for them. Oh, really? Yeah. Younger than me, because he's playing that. Obviously. What was his name? I felt like some 50 year old had some eligibility on this fucking year. Well, they probably give my students his last name was Hoshka. Oh, really? Hoshka. I knew his sister real world. Oh, Richie's a dog. He was good, right? Dude. He called a couple. He, he called some passes that

only he could catch, bro. Yeah. There he is. Yeah. They worked hard. I knew his, I knew his, his and would have been my grade. It was a nice cow. But he played for him. So I watched. I, you know, I've got my high school puts out a lot of really good athletes. People that still to this day, like forced high school public high school and Illinois and a lot of, a lot of people do well. But yeah. But this was this was exciting year for Vanity. And that quarterback Diego

Poppy. Yeah, he was like this. I'm going to go to his, he was like, oh, he's like, come and get it. Yeah, he was super fun to watch. And they come along. He's gone. He's gone pro now. He's done. Yeah, he's training right now done in Tampa. We're not transfer from. He transferred from New Mexico State and then before that, New Mexico School of Minds. I think he could have gotten one more year actually. But he's going to strike why the iron's hard. He's already in.

Yeah. He's already going in. He's not tall. Well, that's the thing. They came out and said that.

of these other guys. It's true. Sometimes that. And how about sometimes that motivate you to get

“better at it? Well, but Eddie was that in a way, right? He didn't hit the prototype. Yeah.”

And made a more Carter. Yeah. Me and being tall wasn't his thing. But they also made it like,

but he, obviously, sometimes the thing that they label you as a disadvantage makes you stronger

“because you have to work harder. Yeah. But that dude's a winner, bro. He does it. That's the thing.”

Who do you want to bet? You want to bet on somebody that wins every time he's hit and every time you score in the SEC at Vanderbilt. Yeah. I mean, you're playing big time football every week.

“When's the last time Vanderbilt was in that position? Yeah. And so the fact that this kid was”

a part of that with a lot of other great players. So many. And did that. Well, that's that intangible quality that it has to mean something. And that's the shit that's getting lost in this

evaluation. Yes. Always in everything. It's like stupid. Yeah. It is a place for it. Yeah.

But not the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, I'm glad we all got that out of our systems. We too. Um, dude, thank you. Yeah. I appreciate you too, Vince. Thanks so much, man. And we'll check it out. Um, everybody. It's on Hulu, March 27th. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of my mouth. I can feel it in my bones.