#672 - Trace Adkins

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He's a Louisiana boy. He's got so many hits, every light in the house. You're gonna miss this. That home get home, but don't get. He's on a special 30th anniversary tour right now.

I've been a fan for a long time, and I had a blast with the one and only Mr. Trace Edgen. I was just looking at all, I was just, what was that, I was seeing a commercial that it was for, was it Pogo Stakers or something?

See if you can find something, it's like a Pogo, ah, I don't even have a Pogo stick.

Yeah, this is Ed extreme Pogo athletes, this was, what is it? Wow, that's insane. That's Pogo stick.

“And do they have that, y'all have Pogo sticks when you were a kid, any toy you remember?”

I don't like that, that's crazy. No, ours had like an old shock absorbers spring on it, I mean, I didn't have one, but I remember seeing them when I was a kid. That's like super charged. Oh, yeah, that's for somebody that's trying to probably make their own power at home or

whatever. You know, you got just, you got four kids out there in the arches, Pogo sticking, you know, so you can watch an episode of As The World Turns. Yeah, charging your batteries. So you can be sitting inside watching Unsolved Mysteries or something, that would have been

something you maybe would have seen nowhere.

Yeah, I'm trying to think of toys that have an, was there any toy you remember growing up, Trace? I'm just trying to think. I remember when I got a gas powered little car for Christmas one year, they had a little gas powered motor on it where you had to mix the gas and everything.

It was like a tiny little motor on it, they had a propeller on the back of it, where it would propel the car, you know, but I mean, I guess my own man didn't know you really needed to have like a lot of concrete to have this car, because it wouldn't run in the yard. You know what I'm saying?

And we had a gravel driveway, so it didn't work at all, but I thought, man, yeah, nowadays. I mean, that thing was dangerous. It had a propeller on the back of it and there was no car or anything. And it's a real gasoline?

Yeah. Well, what, you had to mix it up with something else. Yeah. You crank it, suck it up, man. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, because you're finger off, it looked like it was like that. Just like that, man. That was the car. It was like green.

I remember that. It says hyperformer's prop driven racer. Yeah. Super action on free runs, roars around on tether, not sure what that means. You had a string on it, and you could just stand in it when you'd just go on a circle.

You'd stand still and it'd just go on a circle. Oh, hell yeah. Damn, I can't believe you had to mix your own gas for that thing. Just the fact that they entrusted kids, there was, there was definitely some things that they were too interesting.

There was one that had lawn darts, I remember. That was a lawn darts, yeah. The image has got recalled. Well, you know, you're drunk red next long darts. Yeah.

“I think what happened was there a lawn, was there a lawn dart recall?”

Well, I think the general public probably just at some point went, we're not by our kids anymore. Yeah. We got one. Yeah. You got a kid.

We got one kid left and we've lost two from lawn darts. Miss apps. Yeah. You got a daughter with two new dimples all of a sudden. Metal-tipped lawn darts were found to present an unreasonable risk of death or serious injury.

And that's on perplexity right here. About 6,100 people were sent to the emergency room in the 1980s. Wow, that was it, man. I remember also they had something. Was it called tugger?

This was an animal thing. This was, and you're ever just going down memory road here a little bit. It was tugger. Can you look at it? It was a dog.

See if they have a, oh, that's a dog there.

Look at this. I mean, that's, that's weird. It's a bit much because, I mean, it kind of crazy, I don't get this yet. I mean, they look.

“You'd see some real creepers grabbing them, I think.”

You'd see a guy walking four of them, and you don't have any children or whatever. That's when it's a bit much. Yeah, tugger.

That was, no, I never saw that one.

Tug my sock. I was his motto or whatever. Yeah, play that. That's crazy. I remember one year, the most ridiculous thing my mom would do.

It was bought a saw, three pair of boxing gloves. I had two younger brothers, and so one Christmas we all got a pair of boxing gloves, and that was bad. Yeah. That just, yeah, that didn't work out well.

Well, over here record, I was undefeated until my old man, yeah, I remember my old man came home from work one day, and I was on my knees and I had one glove on, and then my younger, my baby brother, he was ten years younger than me.

He had on his little gloves, and so I'd let him hit me a few times, and I'd knock him

down, and then my old man was like, he came to walk down the hall, and he had my other brother's pair of boxing gloves, and I only said, get up, and put that other glove on. Yeah, that was like, oh, yeah, that was like 18 years old and good shape, and I was like, I'm about to wear you out, and I just remember crawling down the hall to my bedroom, I couldn't stand up, you know, he just knocked me out so good.

He had that man's strength on the hall, man, and he just, yeah, because I was going to hit him in the gut, because I knew he'd be soft, and so I went under, and he just hit me right between, and I remember my mama screaming, and oh, you killed him, you killed him.

“Yeah, wow, I think that was it for the boxing glove.”

Yeah, I'm trying to think of a good toy. We had, oh, I remember we grew up by this guy. He was like an Elvis impersonator, but he didn't really want to be, but he, um, he had broke his hip, like in like a, in some type of deal, he'd broken his hip or his leg, and

they'd set it in cement, you know, he'd had some local set it, and so when they broke the

cast off of him, they broke it with like a ball, peen hammer, something they broke his leg and another place when they broke the shit off. So his leg was bad, man. Elvis impersonator, but he didn't really want to be. Well, yeah, and this is what happens.

All right, I think I started the story in the middle, but, um, so he ended up having that, like he had that, oh, he was an Elvis impersonator after he broke, yeah, because he had enough getting this head. Yeah, he had that, he had that forest gut thing. Yeah, he had that like, you know, the things he didn't want to show Elvis how to dance

but he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I thought about like that, but you ever, yeah, you ever see that thing like on a, like a rich guy's desk that moves back and forth, keeps time or whatever, he had that just he ended up getting that tick talk in him a little bit, and so he ended up, you, everywhere

he'd go, people started calling him Elvis and so he started impersonating him, but, um, I

“can't remember what that story was about, oh, yeah, what was it, where were we?”

Oh, Christmas stuff. Yeah. You won't talk about Christmas for some reason. Yeah, one night I went over to, I was walking by their house one night and he was making his son, um, he was trying to make his son like a shirt out of wood and I remember

thinking this, they, they've really gone off, you know, yeah, it was just like, different times. He'd probably was using wood for different stuff in our town, but, um, anyway, oh, yeah, sorry, I got a little bit lost there, but Tray Sack and his man, thanks for coming by, man. You love my way.

That's your, how did that go for out of the way? It's, it's good to see you, man. I know we've been talking about it for a little while, man. So thank you very much. Yeah.

Um, you want the thing that we talked about last time I saw you, I think it was two times ago, that your mom was a mayor, your mom was a mayor, we're both from Louisiana, and your mom was a mayor in Serapta, Serapta, yeah, Serapta, she's still the mayor. How's she fairing as the mayor? Nobody else wants to do it.

You know, nobody else, I mean, it's one of those little towns that, you know, it's just not a lot going on around there anymore, once the mill shut down and everything is just, uh, just not a lot happening. So the population decreases every year, you know, so she's trying to hold it together best she can, but nobody else wants to job, it's, you know, nothing, that's not that much

to do. What kind of issues you feel like you see dealing with this, even relating to that? She just rides a lot of letters to people to clean their yards up, you know, that's what she does. I swear, man.

she wants everybody to clean their yards up. I mean, hey, it starts with that kind of what making your bed or whatever, dude, I got a fricking letter one day here from neighborhood watch or like, you have been doing your shift. I'm like, I didn't, I didn't know we had a neighborhood watch, you know, and I'm like,

I have me knew my shift was from, of Saturdays from like one to four in the afternoon. I'm like, that's you, you know, I'm usually trying to enjoy it. That's when I kind of will enjoy myself on the weekends, but I'm like, I don't even, I didn't know we had a neighborhood watch and I don't think y'all want me out there because I forget what team, what side I'm on, you know, I start going to your people's houses or

whatever, I forget what team I'm on, brother. And that's a volunteer thing too, right? So, yeah, or they just volunteered you, I think that's just a way, if I'm, I don't recall

“volunteering to take a show, that's what I said.”

And I was like, well, I don't even know, you know, I don't even know, and I was like, I'll rub back, do we have a uniform or anything? And they, and they were back, ha, ha, like in caps, I'm like, don't, you know, I don't know, it just kind of like, I think you're asking serious questions. Well, yeah, I don't, don't like it like an orange place or something, yeah, don't like

it, damn, merit badge on the ladder or something. Because what I don't want to be is wandering around somebody's yard saying, I'm neighborhood

watch and they don't have any, you know what I'm saying, they've never heard of that.

Sure you are. Yeah. And you get popped off. So, how's that, how's that, how's that, sort of, a change since you were there? Well, before you answer that, actually, what is the rep to mean, if you can look that up

for me, or do you know? It's, it was an old, it's a town in, it's an old biblical somewhere around Israel, way back in the day but they named it after an old woman named She Rep to Carter back in the late 1800s. So Rep to Louisiana, yes, has got its name for So Rep to Carter, an early benefactor

who donated a large Bible to the community's first church around 1868. That's all it took to get the town named after you. That was it. It's the Bible. What?

What? It costs to get it read and hang. I could see it. Two Bibles, right? That reminds me one thing my mom did, there was this girl got trouble for something.

“I can't remember, something to do with drugs or so my mom was, she gets to play judge every”

now and then over these little, you know, misdemeanor type things, you know, and she sends the girl to go to Sunday school for six months. And she, my daughter called me and she was like, Dan, you know, I'm going to believe what my mom all did. And I was like, what?

She said, she sent it to school to go to Sunday school for six months and I called my mom and I was like, you can't do that. You know, I'm pretty sure that's illegal. You can't make somebody go to church and she said, well, I did. Yeah.

That's right. Okay. Oh my god, that's her. This is my jurisdiction. She's going to have a picture of my mom.

Oh, she's beautiful.

Any what's her first name?

Peggy. Peggy? Edkins is a sugar boy. Peggy Edkins. Yeah.

She's the mayor. Thank you for your service, Peggy, of it air. Keeping it together. Somebody's got to keep it together. And that town's changed.

“You said a lot of how to mill, did it have a mill when you growing up?”

Yeah, how to mill. About eight miles away, best where everybody works. Yeah. All fields still doing pretty well around there, but that's the only game in town. But then, you know, the school was what really made that town special.

I thought when I was growing up, it was K through 12, all on one campus. But then when they, you know, when they consolidate the schools, now all the kids have to go to another town and they just made that, took that campus and just made it a middle school. Yeah.

It's not the same anymore. I think that happened in a lot of places every time. Yeah. You know, I think that was kind of a popular thing. All the people moved away and they're just weren't enough kids to justify having a K through

12 or just weren't enough kids. So yeah, I think when you start to lose little things like that, it takes away something, you know? It did. It takes away some tradition.

It did. And that was, it had that little charm about it because all the kids in town went to that school. Yeah, you know.

So it was just so every the whole community was always behind the school, supported the

school at every ball game and all that. You know, but then that just went away and you know, sad, yeah, a lot of things started to kind of change like that. I want to do you think that was like a financial choice that the towns made where was it like, because there's just one of people, man, once the meals shut down people started

Hmm.

“So, you know, it's, it's, it means it's decreased.”

The population has decreased pretty much every year since that happened. Yeah. You know, decades ago, it's just, it's a lot of towns like that. This country. Yeah.

When a lot of business went away, man, when we go out touring, I'm sure you've seen it over the years. You go by places. Some places. It's, you know, they're trying to redo the downtown.

Like, Amarillo, I was surprised at downtown, like, you know, I'd always heard about it in

country music. You know, when I went there and, and there's some things that are coming back in it. You know, and it's a night, there's, there's structure there. But it just doesn't have, you know, it's just missing like a, you can see like an energy that once was, you know, in a lot of places.

You know, streetports the same way. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I mean, I've never spent a lot of time in Amarillo, but yeah, streetport, you know, the

casinos have helped, you know, on the river. Bosa City has, has really prospered more than streetport has. I think in the very beginning, I think Bosa, Bosa Paris was a little more receptive to the casinos stuff than cattle Paris was. Yeah.

“Did I remember learn about the parishes growing up in Louisiana and how was fun, man?”

Yeah. You know, it's still the, it's the only state in the country that's still under Napoleon in law.

I mean, they practice Napoleon in law as much as they can.

I wonder, what are some wild things that happen under Napoleon in clause? You see, they bring that up. Oh, no. Yeah. Because it used to be, I would hear a rumor like, if you lost a thumb or something, if you

didn't, during employment, that was 25 grand or wasn't any lawsuit and the wasn't any, you know, saying, you had it, yeah, like you had it justifiable rate. If you lost a whole leg now, we're talking 80 grand. You know, oh, we thought if you were like long-legged, per-did per joint, like a whole finger was like maybe that, but then if just this, then it was not as much if you just cut

it off here. Oh, I see. You know what I mean? You put a joint. But then you'd have some drunk guy who was late on his rent or something just chopping

one off just to catch it, you know. Yeah, I could sleep there. But I guess that's fair, Louisiana civil law system, uh, the most notable and practical highlights, um, Louisiana is only saying that practices is forced airship, a concept rooted in the point that code.

If a person dies with children aged 23 or younger, a specific portion of the estate must legally go to them. Also, you can't even write your kid out of the wheel and look down, I guess. Dang. I moved for that.

Yeah. What uh, no buyer beware. Oh, wow. What does that say? No buyer wear it.

In standard common law states real estate sales operate under caveat M tour, which means buyer beware, because Louisiana follows European civil law. The burden is strictly on the seller to disclose known defects and potential issues prior to the same. I like that.

That's a bad idea. Do that everywhere. Feels fair. Uh, what about, if you lose a lamb or something, if you get a rebate on it, I don't know. Get in there.

Oh, I got that. You know, but what do you put it back on? Oh, you're missing something? No, like, I cut my little finger off, but they put it back on and just fused all the joints together because it didn't work anymore.

So. Can you straighten or not? No, no. It's fused like that. He asked me how I wanted it and he said you want me to put it straighter and I was like

no man. I said, put it like in the suspect position. Yeah. You know, and he's like suspect position. I said, yeah, playing guitar because at least I can, if you put it straightest, you might

just cut it off. It's going to be useless, but put it like that and I can still play, you know, play little guitar. I can't reach up the neck with it anymore. But it'd be sharp, it'll help.

I just, I can't reach with it, but, you know, and piano playing, I mean, it's really bad. Oh, yeah. I mean, maybe you could write a lot of some Christmas carols with that bad deal.

“But, oh, but is that true though, you had it set up like that?”

Yeah. Because we all wanted it before he, before he fused the joints. You're like, almost like a little bit of Pinocchio, like a, that's wild dude. Yeah. I wonder what I would get my hands say if something if they had to have it.

I'd probably get these down and this went up to be honest with you. You know what I'm saying? Just in case they ever come around asking me to do that neighborhood, watch it again. Yeah. But that's, wow.

That's one of the wildest stories I think I've ever heard, brother, you thought about that in advance. You said, well, look, if I had plenty of time to think about it because I cut it off, I was working off shore. So, took him six hours to come get me and fly me back to the beach to go to the hospital.

So. That's for you to do music. I was playing guitar.

You know, that was the first thing I thought when I cut it, it was like, oh, man, I think

I'm going to be a play guitar anymore.

Well, thank God.

I'm not very good, but at least I can still use it a little bit.

Oh, you played. So you worked on the ore rig, was that like, because that's kind of a Louisiana job. That's something I forget about dude when I got out of school. You'd hear like some guy. If he was kind of lucky, he got a job out on the rig.

He was going to do two weeks on two weeks off. Yeah. That's kind of my first life's uncle worked off shore. He was a superintendent for Texco. And he got me working on drilling rig.

Wolfers level and rain. Was that a pretty good gig?

“Like, you remember enjoying it when you went out there?”

Like, was that like, well, I loved it. Yeah, I've worked on all 15 years, six years. I worked off shore on drilling rig. Yeah, I enjoyed it. And when y'all hid all what people lose it and just be like beating their hat against their

knee and stuff like that, like you said.

And that never happened, you know, it wasn't like that anymore.

Were y'all having a good time out there, like, were you guys, would you play music at night for the gang? I'd go up to the wheelhouse and try to write and maybe start coming up and wanting me to do haggard tunes or whatever, you know, thank you and your stuff like that. But by the time I was working out there, you know, those wildcat and things that you see

from the movies back in the day when they'd hit all and it just blow out, you know, look like that anymore. People catch it in their mouths and shit. They had a dialed in, you know, so very, very seldom did we take a kick. That sucks, man.

“It almost takes a fun out of it, because some of the fun that you running under and letting”

that shit hit you. I'm in rice. I used to work on, uh, I worked on a soybean farm up near, like, ferretty Louisiana, up near, like, uh, right across the river of natches. And sometimes it's fertilizer and rig, I'd be sitting there filling up like one of those

big balls that's on it with fertilizer. And I'd forget the fertilizer was going in there. And so I'd be sitting there just daydream and whoever just kicking dirt or just, I don't know, listening to country music, I used to, it would just be top 40 out there all the time.

And I'd listen to it. And that spray rig would just start, it would just right off the top just guys are in out. And it would be like bad chemicals, fertilizer. And it, I mean, just fine, pretty high of voltage, shit pouring all on, you're getting

in you. And, uh, and it was hot sun.

So, finally, I get over there and turn off, I'd be like, oh, damn, because I was so

absent-minded. But then you're standing in the hot sun with this fertilizer and only man in that shit would just go, I didn't, I couldn't get body hair to grow on my neck or anywhere near some of my glands were probably 18 months. I would bet.

“I would thought I was, I thought I was going to turn into a damn turn up, you know?”

They're going to put me in a little chair, something a little baby seat. Now, you used to have dry spots on my hands from sometimes when we would complete a well, which is very seldom. Usually we just drill one and move on to the next location drill another one, but sometimes they'd more than stay and complete it and test the well.

And so when you completed one, you'd have to just place all the mud and put calcium chloride or zinc bromide or something like that, and man, I worked Derek, so it was my job to make sure all this stuff was mixed up right. And if you got it on, yeah, it was just, it was nasty, man. It ate you up, I was all your skin would peel off.

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That's a beautiful dog. That's Gary Bucy. His name's Y? Gary Bucy. Is it?

How'd y'all choose it?

Because I was pulling a float in a Christmas parade in our little town we live in, and it was

for a pet shelter that she lived Victoria volunteers at, and she came running up to my truck, had this little baby dog, and she held him up to the window, and at the time he had his baby teeth and his grown teeth at both, because he had two full sets of teeth. And she brought him up to the truck, and his teeth were sticking out, and he had that blonde thing sticking up on top of his head, and I said that dog looks like Gary Bucy.

And so we took him home that day, and that's his name. They do have similar kind of hair structure, but he's lost all these teeth now, so he's didn't look the same. Oh, as you haven't seen Gary Bucy. If you put their picture side by side, it looks exactly like.

They should put a dog collar on Gary Bucy, the man, just so people at least.

“Or yeah, I'm saying, I think at all of us at certain points in our lives that have a collar”

on with our mother's information on it, that's not a real picture of him, is it? Is that Gary? Someone said he was delivering pizza somewhere. Where is that? Is that real?

Oh, my God. That could be him, or that could just be any guy from Maine. So I think I can go either way, and that's unfortunate. Now, what do you, I think you look pretty good. How old is Gary Bucy though?

Have you got to be late 70s, I'd say, probably, at least. 82. 82. Wow, okay. I'm going to go back and watch some of his work, man.

He's a talent that I sometimes forget about. A lot of people have. He's a talented guy. I know he was doing a lot of tick talk, he was doing like a lot of like a Christmas cards for something like audio, verbal notes and stuff, things.

Yeah, I saw a couple of them. They were pretty cool. I thought one of them was kind of wilder. What was it? I think he'll do anything if you'll send him some money, he'll read anything for you.

Yeah, of this might be a let's see, let's see, is that a video that we can see? I'll do that too. Here we go. Here we go. There we are.

Hey, it's Gary Bucy. And I have got a great Christmas present for you. These are the this.

“That's what a goose sounds like, when they're flat, they'll let you know they're up”

there. You get a bunch of geeks together, they're hawking in the air. Thanks, Gary. I'll also do it. But I thought you this.

You need to be on National Geographic Channel, you know, with that. That kind of insight into the wild life. That's it. We didn't know. That's more than I've heard.

That's Gary. That's more than I've learned in a while, I think though. But at least you still has a great sense of humor, man. I'll say that. I don't think he was trying to be funny.

You don't think so? I don't know. I hope he was. Yeah. He might have been.

I've been around Gary. Good bit. Oh, you have. Yeah. Oh, he is.

I didn't even know that. Yeah.

I just see stuff and you always think it's just him being him, you know.

Uh. Oh, we had a traumatic brain injury. I didn't even know. I had more sugar. Oh, I didn't know this.

I didn't remember it. He had a malignant tumor from a sinus cavity as well, it said in '97, in '88, he had

So there was kind of a before him and after him type of energy. Oh, wow.

He's always been a little crazy though.

Yeah. The motorcycle wreck. He went full blown. Oh, yeah. That'll bake it in.

That'll bake. It is. It's in the ingredients then. I love you. No, he's funny.

Yeah. entertaining guy. Did you have any other jobs, man, for you really got kind of like, for you took on music full time? Well, when I moved here, uh, I went out to do pot and worked out there.

I don't know. He could relate. Get that plan out there. But for me, okay, construction, I worked out there for a couple of years before I got a record to do.

Yeah.

“And was that just like day to day, like, what kind of stuff they have you doing?”

I'm a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit of a bit. Oh, you worked with pipe fitten. Do we're you in the union?

No. Oh, dude. My buddy freaking Cory was in the fricking union, dude. Fitter. Fitter.

Yeah. He'd bring a big firm thermos of milk and drink it all the time on the sidelines of work. And then he gets sick if they're out in the sun and shed. He was a damn liability. But my brother ended up ironing because they were friends, but he's a gypsy.

You know, those type of some of those guys can do whatever. They'll spray your house and, you know, they'll spray your dry beans, sell these, tell you's asshole. You know what I'm talking about? Just somebody show up with a truck full of nothing.

And like, yeah, we got a truck full of it. And you don't even go look in the truck to see if anything's in it, nothing's in it. It's just a spray rig a little bit of paint, no paint it on there. But anyway, yeah, oh, I'm trying to think about what we're talking about. Just jobs.

We had, oh, I'll tell you one, I remember I sold, they had door to door Italian going on in our area for a while. They just got Donnie Ferrari or whatever and he was selling door to door Italian food. And I got a lot. I got linked up with him.

Someone out through my, someone got my mom was kind of dating or whatever. Someone got she met at a damn probably by Z rocks machine or something because it was in the 80s or whatever. And I ended up doing working for him for a while and it was just door to door. We would take Italian food and try to get people to buy it dude.

And that was probably, they weren't even calling you to bring it. You were trying, you were drawing their house, trying to sell them. Yeah. And I was a princess assistant. I'm sorry dude, but I'm not buying any food.

You come up knock on my door. You know, I don't look at you. I was, no man. I ain't buying a food from you. When I show my little ravioli dance, probably it would be popping out there.

Come on man. Yeah, but I will tell you this.

It did help me because I was kind of an apprentice at first and so it did help me.

I think get a little bit of that. I'm going to do something. I don't want to. You were an apprentice for what? Sell something to help.

Oh, man. If you don't, you, everybody that sells door to door is a, kind of, apprentice. Yeah. There's no professional door to door selling food. Oh, this guy was good brother.

Donnie was pretty good. I mean, he was the best in our area. And the I've worked at him for almost probably almost 11 months, four months. I probably about sell him a seven months. But yeah, I was out there, dude.

I think it did help me a little bit because we get a new, you know, the big thing that all the ladies wanted at the time was a garlic bread. And it's still what they want. It's still what they want.

“But I remember that was probably one of the wildest jobs that I had.”

But when I first started listening to Country Music, it was when I was working on that farm. And I would put on top 40, they'd have like Casey Cason or something at the time. But I think that was a little more like pop, but on one day they would do, I guess it was Country top, I think it was probably top 40.

It might be a day where they would do a hundred songs or something, you know. And I cut the tractor off and I'd stand out there and just sing the songs that I loved, man.

I remember every Sunday morning it was always a countdown.

That's what it was in. But it wasn't Casey Cason, man, I'm my God. Who was it? You're right. I believe that I don't remember his name.

I did a bunch of interviews with him and I can't think of his name. Yeah, I'm getting to be that way though, man, forget the names and stuff. Yeah. Mixing them up. I do it.

It's all right, Leo. It's terrible. Yeah. I can't remember. Well, dude, I can barely remember Donnie Ferrarri who I've frickin' apprenticed with.

No, why can you remember somethin' some insignificant Italian dude from back then and you can't remember stuff from just a few days ago? Yeah.

“I think it's just because you go through so many neighbors with the man, you're pulling”

the wagon. He's pulling the wagon. Your past, he's past y'all are right there, but when you get to the door, you got to work together. So I think, but you know what?

I'm gonna remember though next time I'm trying to woo a lady, it's garlic bread. Oh, yeah. I gotta remember that. Oh, fuck. And I'd warm piece up in the microwave and just frickin' dab it on the sides of mine and

heck, brother. They know it's up.

That's when I fell. Because I would just be out there all day.

“And I think that's what a lot of the radio stations would play.”

I used to put a cassette in and record the top 40 count down.

That's the way we always got our tunes, like, because back in the mid-80s I was playing

in a cover band and, you know, you needed to know a certain number of songs from the current top 40. You know, it was a big deal. You needed to know a bunch of those songs, because that's what everybody wanted to hear, it was what they were hearing on the radio, so we cover all those tunes.

And that's how we learned them. We just record them. No one could set off the countdown and that's how we learned them. When did you put together, I mean, your first time dreaming out loud was your first time? How did it get to the place where you're, you know, you're working on an old rig, you're

playing some, and then you're playing covers. And then how do you get to that next step? Is that of your own volition, fully or did somebody come along and kind of give you an inspiration or let you, like, take me through a little bit of that if you don't mind? No, it's just such a long story.

I mean, I... Oh, is it? Yeah, I would. But it did start when I was working on drilling rig. I'd take my guitar out there and I'd try to write, and I met this guy out there.

I didn't know these other guys in a band in Lafayette, Louisiana. And he said, "Man, this time we're off for two weeks, come down on the introduce to these guys." So I went down there and, you know, sang with him a little bit, and then they wanted me to go to Dallas.

They had already won a local competition in the Battle of the Country Bands, and they wanted me to go to Dallas with them for the regionals, and it was going to fall on the time when I was off for two weeks. So I went, and we won the thing in Dallas, and then we came here for the finals, and,

you know, we lost here, but that was my first taste.

You know, I came off of drilling rig, and then I'm on stage at, you know, tea pack, you know, in front of all these industry people, and freaked us all out.

“You must have been nervous on that scenario.”

Oh, we choked, yeah, so we didn't win, but anyway, that kind of... That kind of gave me the, you know, the fever, you know, so, and then a few years later I moved up here, you know, and that's kind of how it started and met the right people, you know, songwriters, and some other music executives, and... And that's been it.

That was it. Man, I saw you at the rhyme in a few weeks ago, dude, and I hate to say this, but I just was reminded of so many songs, you know, you just kind of like, when you go watch, you just, it kind of takes you through little parts of your life, you know, you'll hear a song you're like, "Oh, I used to kind of..." that song is almost becomes a champagne, and then

bubbles of like memories during that time start to come up through it, you know? That was a lot like first single June 26th, 36, 30 years ago. And you wrote it? I wrote it with Vip Viperman, Carl Viperman, everybody calls him Vip. Was there any story behind some of that was really...

No, we were just sitting down getting to know each other because I'd never met Vip before,

but, you know, a guy I was working with producer at the time just hooked us up, said, "I think y'all right with Vip, he's good, dude." You know, I think y'all get along, and we sat down together, and we were just kind of getting to know each other. He was asking me questions and asked me where I'd come to Nashville for, "I'm not

told him I'd been living in Texas and playing hockey talks out there for a while," and he asked me and said, "Well, sir, girl in Texas and I was like, "Yeah, bunch of them." And he said, "Well, let's write that."

“I was like, "Why, that's how y'all do this."”

So that's what happened, and we just wrote it. One of my favorites is, "Every light in the house, man, that song, dude, I'll frickin." Well, that was my first hit, I mean, girl in Texas, I think, got to 17 or 18 or something like that. On the charts.

But then, every light in the house, it's only got to number five. Wow, man. Dude, that song... And then my next single went to number one, the next single went to number one, and I was like, "Here we go."

That song, 'cause I was all broken-hearted, because I'd separate in my girlfriend and I'd went separate ways, because we were a boyfriend and girlfriend, and then I was going to school in Arizona. She was staying in Louisiana, not to make you a song about me, but that's what was going on.

And I think I, I think I ate a bunch of mushrooms or something, and I was saying goodbye to her at this gas station, and I didn't know these mushrooms were really going to start hitting, and they had a lot of oil spots on the ground. And just from college. That's a gas station.

What's that? Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station.

Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station.

Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station.

Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station. Yeah, it's a gas station.

Yeah, it's a gas station. But yeah, I sort of freaking out, and she got kind of scared and was like, this weird, like, any way. Anyway, that relationship ended, but I remember just being heartbroken. I'd be out there in Arizona.

It's listening to that song, dude, and it was just. Anyway, I'm sure a lot.

“You honestly all spots pull up in front of an old rallies or an auto zone.”

Oh, my God. I'm just like, just all sleaks out in front of a store. Pull up in front of my sister's house when she was married to ex-husband, too. Till I started making some money and got a car broke, got a truck, and didn't just pour all out of the car.

I used to put as much oil in my trucks as I put gas in them. Well, yeah, you did.

You did it with your first toy as a kid, no wonder that shit makes sense, bro.

That was just a predecessor. What was going to go on? Dude, you remind me, I had this 86 Jimmy or something who was called, right? I think they call. It was a Chevrolet.

It was 86, maybe Chevy. Something like that. GMC, Jimmy. Yes. GMC, Jimmy, man.

I would always fuck up. I would tell people it was a Chevy and I'd get Chevy parts for it and they wouldn't fit or whatever. But the something was broken on it and about every 80 miles I had to pull over and I headed out to Arizona driving out west from my first semester of college.

Dude, I must have stopped. I can't even tell you 90 times I had to stop, let it cool down and then keep it cruising. It was kind of like that brown when I wasn't at nice, it was something different. It was a blazer. It was a Chevy blazer, not the GMC, Jimmy.

No, and the seats were all flammable. But you could, you Chevy parts on a GMC. That was it right there, dude, and you had to hold us and check magnets. Oh, dude. It was some Chad.

You're girlfriend left, and you were driving that sweet ride. What's wrong with that bitch? You're right. You know what? She's probably with some low rent dude now, man, driving around in Corolla or something.

Yeah, she could've had that. I know what will look. I read now and then I'll send her a mother and her an email and say she missed out. No, no, no big company like that was sponsored us. But yeah, dude, that vehicle right there to pull over and do the whole back at a vehicle

“even for a while was anaphries because that's what I needed the whole time.”

So I couldn't even have guests come in the car because it was full. I'd probably have, I'd be sitting there sometimes out of 20 bottles anaphries in there and I'd have to use them all pull over and use anaphries in water, but if you just use water, it would burn off too quick. But man, sometimes the car got so hot out of to step away from it for a while.

You know, when I go walk or go sit in the distance and write a poem or something. But that bitch was hot dude. I don't know if they allow cars to get that hot anymore, but yeah, dude, that was unrequited love. I found out it's cool.

Would you go close?

I want you to reverse Arizona at first and you do that.

I mean, why? I don't want to do this often out in the desert. I'm going to do something different. Yeah, I just like I'm going to do something different, but I came back after one semester when tell us you.

And then, oh, look at desert. Yeah. Do you? I don't like the desert. You know what?

There's a moment in the day I really like it, you know, right around that. You know what? Right. Yeah. They like, yeah, or even just write it.

Does? Oh, yeah. I like that. There's something nice about it. There's something that, but there's something about it that it doesn't really have

much of a memory, but it's, but it has like a wisdom or something.

“I don't know there's something about it that I think is pretty interesting.”

But I didn't like it. Damn, man. That was a tough time, but, but it was a good time, man. But that was when you know, love was just, your whole body was just damn made out of damn hormones or whatever, and you, you know, you took, you know, you touched a, you'd

had a dog and it give birth, you know, it was just like, you were just, that agile, just that viral or whatever, you know, you'd just been on a tree and it fucking grow fruit or whatever out of it. How many puppies you had on that? Yeah, that's true.

I don't know what I'm talking about. Gary Busty. Gary Busty. Gary Busty just left the room and we'll say that. What about, uh, is there a, is there a story behind that song?

Is there a story behind that song? Which one? Every light now. What I'm doing is just when I heard it, I was like, that's not like I get to me, you

know, and Scott Andrews, who was producing that first record, I mean, we just, there's some

songs you hear, and you just go, that's it.

Was there a song you wrote that you felt like had a story to it more like that, uh, more

like what? That's a great question. Actually, I don't know what the end of my question was. All of them have a story, was there one, uh, who was, there was one, or somebody said Arlington has a, send it.

Well, yeah, of course, man, that was a very personal, I didn't write that, but it was just such a personal thing that, um, I knew who, who wrote it, and, and I knew the story behind it, and I knew who it was written about, and so before we released that song, I asked the family to come in, you know, and we played the song for him, and I said, look, the song for written about your son, so we won't, you're blessing before we put this out.

Yeah, it was a very personal thing, everybody listened to it and cried, and we got their blessing, and so that was cool. Wow.

“But, and has that family come to some of your shows and stuff?”

Uh, I haven't seen the Nixon's in a while, um, was it about their son?

Yeah. Yeah, it was about Patrick Nixon, uh, corporate last corporate, Patrick Nixon, he was a Marine, and his dad was a Marine, and his grandfather was a Marine, and so that's where that song came from. Amen.

Yeah. But, you know, I've written some personal ones, they're all, they all come from that kind of place, you know. Yeah, I was just wondering, I just didn't know, because I think, you know, as a person who just like, you know, I've written a lot of Paul, you know, love letters and all that

at. Really? Oh, yeah. Love letters. Apologies.

Well, I can imagine that, but, yeah, I don't know about the love poems.

“Yeah, I've written a lot of apologies, I think.”

More apologies than love letters. Yeah. Look. Oh, yeah. A few written more love letters.

You would have to write some of your apologies. That's probably the truth. You're better at the other one. Yeah. I think there might be a song in that little idea right there, that's something.

I think probably one of the most personal songs I wrote to me was a song called Welcome to Hell, and I was really, really pissed off when I wrote that, you know. So, I mean, of course, I wrote it in 2001, you know, sometime after the work on a World Trade Center thing after, not 11, no, it was personal, it was very personal to me, you know. Where did that anchor come from?

Was it just from that sort of thing, just from like America, like, just the devastation in our country and what it felt like it did to us? Yeah, I wrote it because I thought, you know, these guys, they think that they're going to do this kind of stuff. And then they're going to end up in heaven, which said me two virgins now, this and I

said, how surprised are they going to be, you know, when they end up, you know, in the guys, it's welcome to hell, you know, it's just, you, oh, you thought you were going there. No, dude, you know, this is where you're going to be. And so that's how I wrote that. As your career's gone, as you've been tougher to have inspiration for songs, or do you

feel like certain songs kind of check a certain box as an artist moves through time? And then that has kind of been filled. Man, I don't write as much anymore, but it's because I don't, that inspiration that you're talking about every now and then it will, you'll hear something, you know, I'll hear a phrase or just a line that somebody said and then I've been, then it brings the

bail and I'm like, oh, God, that's a song, I'll have to write that.

“You know, it's almost like it's a gift that's just given to you and you have to deal”

with it, you know, like having some kind of disease or something, you know, I might to do with this now, you know, that's a good point actually, yeah, like having a disease, because creativity is kind of a disease. I feel like if you want to tend to it, yeah, you got to, you know, you have to deal with it.

It comes knocking and you just got to deal with it, you know, dude, it's so funny. I forgot about that, I forgot that that's like how creativity happens a lot of times like herpes, you know, yeah, I mean, you know, yeah, neither one of us have it. No, but I've heard, it's like, you know, I've heard it's comes, you got to deal with it. Yeah, I've heard it shows up, like a damn cousin, like how it shows up like family, it shows

up like door to door Italian food, yeah, that's how it shows up. I deal with this guy now trying to sell me food that is grandma cooked, you know, didn't her roachy kitchen. Hey, well, I'll say this, I will say this, I remember we had a manacotti in May special,

they get made.

Well, they get so hot in the summer.

“They're like, I ain't cooking, you know, well, you know, in our town, you give you”

a name, get a piece of ice or something, put a little sugar on the back of it, you know, give that to him or whatever, you know, we're just, sometimes a woman to spit cold water in your mouth or something, and that's that kind of the side item, but yeah, it was just a different time. We had a beautiful manacotti, bring manacotti up, yeah, it was a different time.

Now, look at that trait, he's telling me, yeah, he's telling me burritos. He's telling me a man named Donnie Ferrari with an 11 or 12 year old kid he doesn't know shows up at your door trying to say you're that you ain't going to get you a couple for your lady. I don't think so, man, not today, you're not today, man, not now, not this time, maybe

in that time, but not now, even though not now, that's some desperate shit, no, I'm

not buying food from you kid, go away for a call social services to come get your ass.

We kept to some of that, some of what we kept in the warmer and some of you had to warm yourself, but I was a good job, it was how I learned to just be a pro, to go on ahead and approach people. What's a love life been like over the years, Tracy, I mean, you got some stories from him and I hate to legion like that, but sometimes a creative person, they feel love kind

of deep, I feel like, you know, if your brain is kind of deep, I feel like your heart can be kind of deep as well. I reckon I gave his good as I got that fair, yeah, I love you, good as you love me, I guess. Yeah, this guy got to be that kind of deal though, I just love you if I ain't getting any back, I'll quit, yeah, I quit loving you if you quit loving me, I don't do that sounds

like a deal, I mean, you know, but I love you as hard as you won't love me, I'll get down, I'll just come on, I'll match you, heart beat for heart beat, yeah, dude, whatever. I'm not joking though, I swear to God, one of my past relationships, if we did just met one day in the kitchen and said, look, I'll quit loving you if you quit loving me, we

“would have both, and if we would have, because we both, that's what we both wanted to do,”

we just didn't do it, you know? Yeah, it's happened, of course, I mean, I'm on my fourth marriage now, so. Are you really? Yeah, really. Dang, what you learn about, I'm what I think really, because Blake married us, so we're

not a hundred percent sure for, actually really married, but I think we are. Who's Shelton did? Hmm. Wow, dude, somebody said he has like a sandal collection, I heard a room he has like a male footwear collection or something.

Sandals? Yeah, men sandals. Have you, is that true, have you already thought that?

I hope not, I'm gonna stop being friends with him if it's true, because Blake's always

said you can't trust a guy wearing flip fops or sandals.

“Oh, maybe he's doing it on the side or, you know, I don't mean, I just mean, maybe he,”

you know, maybe he keeps a pair under his bed, I don't have any idea. That's just something that I heard, bring that up. Oh, that's, uh, bring that up, bring a Blake Shelton sandal rumor that we just started. Oh, my God, see, he's anti. Oh, is he really?

Yeah, yeah, I was like, no, man, he, he said you can't ever trust a guy wearing flip fops or sandals because if you get stuck, he can't get him going to help just go out. It's true. He won't help push you out. He won't help doing a guy wearing sandals is not hardly going to help you do anything.

You know what I'm saying? Because he's going to get his toes banged up and so he's not going to help you do anything. You know, he's not even wearing shoes. Yeah. So he can't help anybody, he's not going to run in a house and save children when the house

is on fire. And you know, shoes on. That was that guy, he's worthless. He's worthless. He's worthless male, you know, hanging with shoes on, absolutely worthless.

There go half of the, uh, Sigma tiles out there. I don't care either. I'm just saying. Yeah. If somebody has sandals on me, it's like soccer, you know, come on, stop with that crap.

Well, if somebody has sandals on, it just like, well, the worst is you, you will see someone, and I'll say this out loud right now, Trace. You'll see somebody with sandals on who have sunburned on their top of their feet. They wear sandals a lot. Yeah.

And they can't do nothing now, like my buddy, uh, brush shoes on. Coach, you got a sunburner on you. Yeah. If you can't put shoes on, go to one of your sunburners because your top of your feet are

Yeah. Yeah.

“And you're definitely, you should be selling them door to door at Tally.”

That's from Johnny Frogger or whatever, what is name was.

Donnie Ferrari. Donnie Ferrari, okay. That's made up. She had in my name, his name wouldn't really Ferrari. You know, I didn't ever saw an image paper work.

I know he'd, I mean, I know he lived in city limits. Okay. Um. Well, then he's legit. Bro, thank you so much for hanging out with me today, man.

I know we've been trying to catch up for a while and I've been a fan for a long time. I didn't know if I was going to be able to make it. I've got the explosive diarrhea. You hear about that going around. Yeah.

Bring that up. What are they doing? What are some funny shit in it? You ever had explosive diarrhea? I have not.

I've had like semi-explosive or, uh, you know, something that you know, the DOT would pull you over if you didn't have the right tag on your truck. Oh.

If you didn't have the right placard, so when I've had that, cyclospora.

Yeah, that's the new one. Yeah. Oh, explosive diarrhea. I've had it. Have you really?

Yeah. Yeah. If you had a colonoscopy. I haven't had one. I mean, I've felt around the other side.

Yeah. I have explosive diarrhea when you get there. Really? Yeah. It's fine.

I don't want that. I shit my pants twice that day. No. Ah. Same day.

Same day. Oh. Twice.

And it wasn't like, you know, it was an involuntarily involuntary.

Of course it was involuntary. Yeah. I just don't voluntarily shit myself. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, very rarely do I do that. Oh, that's when the Italian comes. Yeah. I probably can't. But I can't remember.

Last time. Oh, yeah. Oh, voluntarily shit in yourself. That's just a way to get out of a fight easily. Oh.

Or church. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've been the Lord.

Don't want you around that. That point. Well, for in place coming, I got to shit myself. So you got this, you got this disease that happened. Or what is this?

Cyclosis. No, I didn't have that. I just took all that stuff. The doctor gave me the day before I had colonized. And so you're saying you didn't have a choice if you wanted to go to the bathroom

or not. It just went for you. Well, it was kind of a weird thing. I thought, I kind of thought I felt fine. I was taking all the stuff, drinking the stuff, taking the pills, the whole thing.

“You know, I was at the farm and I was just like, I think I can go do some stuff.”

I don't feel bad, you know, at all. So I went and I had a little 10-foot John Boat in the pond and I was going to pull it up on the bank and I just reached down the ground and grabbed it. I don't worry very much. You know, just a little lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo, lo,

I reached out and grabbed it and pulled it and just, you know, it was like, damn. I mean, really. In my boots, bad. Ooh. You know what I'm saying?

To the top of your hat. And so, of course, I, you know, just went on in the pond. Would you, oh, you just got in the water? I cleaned that up. Yeah.

That's the way to do it. And I'll leave your clothes in there. And I thought, well, okay, that's not going to happen again, you know. So that's got to be a hit, you know. So what do you mean?

You don't think-- I went and changed clothes and then I went to try to do something else. Yeah. And I had a flat tire on one of my side by side and I had it on Jack and I was going to take the jack out from under it because I'd already changed the wheel.

So you got up in there, took the jack out and then I was going to get up off the ground and I grabbed the tailgate on that thing and pulled myself up and went out strange just that little bit. Mm. I call that explosive diarrhea.

I mean, you make the least little, you know, exertion, it just come, you know. Oh, yeah. That's explosive. Oh, yeah, I've had some shit where you try to blow your nose in my wife though. It was the fun.

Yeah, it's everyone laughed at me all day long. She's like, she's like, right now because she loved it. She thought it was the funniest thing in life, man, seeing me soiled like that, you know. God. And just loves me out.

She's professed a deeper love for me than ever before because I guess I was at my most vulnerable. Yeah, you know. That's what they shanked all. They say a vulnerable man attracts a woman.

I was attractive that super attractive, man. I was drawing them like fly and flies. Dude, I'm a marine fly. I remember one time I was on something.

“I think I was on antibiotics and I'd also been using a lot of to bask or Frank's red”

hot and I play out. Oh, no. No, no. Nothing. I was using it on food and I took a, dude, I've tried to blow my nose, just blew my ass.

I don't even want to. I know. Well, of course you didn't, well, maybe you didn't. I didn't. And I didn't want to be there.

Yeah. And then that was it. And I didn't go back outside. That's it. He didn't go back outside.

I didn't put clothes on again. Oh, that's when you're really bad off. That's my wife put like four tails down on the couch and just laid there for the rest of the day naked. Oh, God.

That's when the devil's got your ass. Yeah. God. And they saw I've, so I'm sympathizing with the explosive diarrhea people and I've had the misfortune.

Yeah. Yes.

“I think it's the lettuce and so last night my wife made me just big old salad and I was like,”

uh, uh, uh, I know what you're doing. It's trying to make some vulnerability. I know. Yeah. And some more.

She wants to love me. I hard again. So she wants me vulnerable, man. Yeah. God.

I think we put women through so much pain. They just need to, they sometimes they just have to poison us. That's what I think. Well. That.

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“Yeager myster was pop and remember that it was basically German motor oil or something that”

they'd fermented and they were selling here allegedly, that's what it was. They were like robed to us. Yeah. Tastes like robot tusks and too dude, tasted horrible, tasted like you, you know, it just made you so angry at everything when you ate it, you just didn't even want to have anymore.

And some people would put it on their skirts, like they put it as an amdemy glaze. And that would blow my mind, but anyway, so I got to this Fish internment, I set up all night dude. I'd slept maybe 40 minutes and I was like, I'm not missing this Fish internment. Roy Jones Jr. was there.

It was like, there's a first time I've been around any celebrities in my life.

So I got out there. I didn't bite you. I don't know. Were you celebrity then? When was that?

No, I don't remember. It was a long time ago. It's a long time ago. Oh, you probably went through half selling that Ferrari stuff. Oh, yeah.

You mean the Manacotti? Yeah.

“I don't want them over with that, and they invited you to the Fish internment.”

Yeah, so they invited me. Now, this is a true story now, Trees. And so I get over there and dude, I definitely had adult diarrhea, right, or young adult diarrhea is what I had. And so I get there and we got to start catching Fish.

It's a Fish internment.

I never been in a Fish internment.

I don't know what it was. I thought you go around and you see the Fish or whatever you go back and you wrote down how many you spotted or whatever it's almost like a scavenger hunt. So anyway, the second I get a bite, man, the second I get a bite, I just saw, I get a tug on the front, brother.

I got a tug on the back, you know, I'm saying ahead, I don't care what I was getting on my line. I had a bunch in the live well. You feel me. And it was, yeah, they ended up having to just troll me hanging off the ladder on the

back and with no shorts on, except just to wash my body. I just couldn't fish anymore with like you got to fish, man, and I didn't want to tell him like I'm, you know, so you didn't tell him.

I didn't tell him. Yeah, I said, I got to hang off the back for a little bit. I got to get to the toilet. I thought, yeah. But there was just, I don't think, young adult, that explosive diarrhea is bad as

old man, that's where it's probably, yeah, you know, just just the fermentation. Yeah, the recipe, yeah, that recipe, yeah, because it, yeah, as an older young adult, still kind of free. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're in your guts aren't rotten, yeah, yeah, but adult, you got that damn crock pot on you.

Yeah, yeah, stuff is aged in there. Oh, yeah, that's a bouille of bass, baby. That's a French on your own right there.

“I know, I heard a story that, I think, well, you told me this, I'm saying I heard a”

story, but you told me this, how did things fair, like with some of your first marriages,

how did things, like when you look back on your love life, what do you think maybe could have been a little bit different? And he said, you, I mean, he said that you kind of gave more maybe than you got it felt like at times or like, you got to have both people love and just as much to make it work. But do you have any thoughts on it looking back on love?

Because having four marriages, that's a lot of experience, you know? Well, just it, but it certainly doesn't make me very good at it, I've got a pretty bad track record. Yeah, you know, so don't take any advice from me, man, I'm no authority on what makes everything great.

But did you learn anything along the way, though, like really? Sure. And what not to do, you know? Yeah. Well, that didn't work.

That was bad. Did you take any of it to heart? You think I'm not, you know? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of the bad stuff that I used to do, I don't do anymore.

Pay me in. Yeah. Yeah. Good. And I heard that one of your wives, I'm going to have to say this shot that they shot

you. Is that true? Yeah. Look at a little far, I thought. That was uncalled for.

That was totally uncalled for, just leave. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a true story.

It's just call it quits. We don't have to go that far. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think she shot you with the intent to tell?

I don't think so, man. I don't think she even had any idea of what that gun was going to do.

I'd never seen her hold a gun, I'd never seen her shoot a gun.

I knew she had one, but I'd never seen her use it. Yeah. I've had a bunch of guns. Still have a bunch of guns and I shoot them, you know, pretty often, but I'd never seen her do that.

I just don't think she knew what was about to happen when she pulled that trigger. She thought it was a toy. Yeah. Was she saying anything? As she was pulling it was she, was it like, and was she pulling it like in a fit of

anger? Or was she just kind of? Yeah. Okay. One of me to leave and I went to leave, so when that's this I went down.

How did it hit you? She put it under my left arm and the bullet came out under my right arm so it went straight through. Did you give your hands up or something like that? I had this hand out, like that reaching for that trigger to give me the gun.

She just shot me.

“But what did it feel like, like a beat, like a b-biding you?”

And I think when one is that serious, your body protects you. You're just going to shock, you don't really feel anything. I just remember getting up off the floor and then taking a few steps and then going back down. That's all I remember.

You blacked out? Yeah. No way. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

So I didn't really feel like it really hurt me, you know. And where did it go through your body? It went under this arm came out this arm, so it went straight through, it went straight through my heart and both my lungs. No, ah.

Yeah. That was kill shot. And only reason that I survived was because the doctor said no reason I survived was because the bullet went through that point blank velocity at Muscle Velocity, so he didn't have time to mushroom.

It was just, you know, Muscle Velocity, so it just went straight through. I see. And after that, it would have mushroom. Yes. Damn bro.

Thank God, she shot you so close then. Yeah. In a way. God. That's crazy to say.

Sorry. God. I'm not, I have to, I'm just not good at supporting people. Like verbally, you know. I'm not.

No, I don't need any support anymore every long time. Was the healing?

“What's that like when you get shot right through my heart?”

Well, that was the hard door. That's the part that hurt, you know.

Vanderbilt, and so when they do the trauma surgery, they just cut you and just crack you open, you know. Could you feel any of it? No, of course not. That was out.

But so the recovery from something like that, though, man, that hurts, you know, because they don't care. They just, they stretch everything and break stuff and they're just trying to get you open to get to your heart to save your life, you know. Oh, I see.

So, uh, and thank God, you know, um, ten been for that life flight in Vanderbilt, Memphis, and I wouldn't be here, but so it took a long time to recover from that. And this six months later, I had to have another open heart surgery because they had to put a background patch over that hole in my septum because it didn't feel, uh, because when they went in and beginning, they sealed the hole on this side of the heart and sealed

the hole on the other side of the heart with the bullet went through, but they didn't seal the hole in my septum. Damn. So, six months later, I had to go back and that one was a lot easier though because they took their time and very careful.

Right. They're not, yeah, it's not, time is enough. The essence has much. Yeah. I also said that they walked out of hospital the next day.

Did you? That one. That one's so bad.

“And did you, uh, did, did you ever apologize to you?”

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did you forget everything? Nothing.

So, you know, I've just always felt like, yeah, I don't think she meant to do it, man.

Yeah. I don't think. I just don't think that that she thought it was going to hurt me. She thought I was indestructible, you know. Yeah.

Hey. Yeah. That's wild, man. Anyway. Um, did anything like that ever happen again or not?

No. I don't know. I've never got shot again. That's a blessing, then. You got to see the blessings.

Yeah. Nobody shot at me in a while. That's good. Yeah. And I'm saying, man.

That's the kind of stuff we need, man.

“And you know, if you can always say that, you know, how you doing?”

Well, anybody shot at me today. That's good.

And your third wife's Canadian, right?

Fourth wife. You're a Canadian. And your fourth wife's Canadian. Yeah. Which is, maybe you got her.

I'm a second wife from Arkansas, I'm a third wife from Illinois, my fourth wife from Canada. So I'm just like, my fifth wife's going to be an Eskimo. Yeah. Yeah.

I just keep working on it, you know, I'm going to be a hot Eskimo chair. Yeah. You know. You know. Well, you moved it up to the, yeah, you're moving up to the art, man.

And well, I guess, and at least you've got a Canadian, because they can't even earn guns, you know, because they don't have any guns. That's probably a good. I didn't even think about that. That's a plus.

Yeah. Canadians are good. And they have great posture. Have you ever noticed that about Canadians? Most of them are pretty polite, not so much with my wife, but a lot of them are.

Yeah. I've heard that a lot. Very, very polite.

And I always say, and I'm sorry.

Yeah. Oh, I've had a Canadian come across the street. They didn't do anything. They just said, hey, sorry. And then went back across the street.

Came over just to apologize. Case out, ever did anything, I guess. That's pretty cool, love them. They just apologize. They're not.

And I think they were coming over just to make look at you when sorry.

“Yeah, that's what you must look that for maybe you had wronged them in some way.”

I think they just felt sorry for you. They probably could have, man. And that's what I get for buying some of those sandals from the dam from the dam, Blake Shelton Sandals. Sweet.

Yeah. That's what did me in. Yeah, were you wearing them at your time? Yes, I was. That's why they came over.

That's all. Oh, man. No, you weren't ever going to get laid. Yeah. So there's nothing sad or then someone invites you over and you should, it's gotta be sad

you opens and won't see those sandals on. Just bam. Yeah. Unless he's carrying the canolies from Ferrari then she lay them on, yeah. Yeah.

Now, every now and then, we did have a dessert. Not look, could know the action. Oh, I don't know. Well, they didn't say, if the women weren't interested, but they were semi-antrusted, we leave half a canolie in a little box out in the welcome mat.

You know, if they were a little, let me roll, jiggle, go on around with a bunch of, say, you can put it. If, if they didn't have a pet, because otherwise, pets, again, they'll, you'd see Gary beauty with his damn bus and damn canolie all over his chin. You know, um, country music, oh, it's, it's big right now.

Have you felt through your career that it's went through a lull that it's been, like, different? Like, how have you seen it kind of, or is it? And I don't think there's ever been really a lull, you know. I mean, it started blowing up, you know, right before I got signed, I think it really

I think ever since.

And still going stronger than ever, you know, but, I mean, course, you know, my career's

stagnant, but the rest is doing great. You've had a great career. I've had a great career. Don't give me wrong. I'm totally content.

I mean, I'm very happy and I'm, you know, I've had a great run, it was a great ride, thanks pass you by. You know, people move on to different things, you know, and I'm people with that. When you say that, like, do you mean, like, that, like, certain opportunities kind of come and go?

Because, like, yeah, what does that mean kind of a little bit? What? Like, when you say that, like, you know, that people come and they kind of go and, oh, yeah, well, I'm not competing really competitively anymore in the game, you know, I'm saying I'm not releasing singles to radio and trying to get them to play my stuff, you know,

whatever, that game that we used to play.

I don't play that anymore.

I'm, you know, I'm not playing it, you're not playing the game competitively anymore. I want to do it for just the joy of doing it, and because I still like to do it. Oh, yeah. But I'm not in there crossing swords with the young guys anymore. I don't need to do that.

Let, you know. Yeah, for sure.

“I mean, yeah, I don't think that you need to.”

Do you feel like, was there a part in your career where you felt like a stab was enough? Because I think this is just interesting to talk about. It's like, you know, in my own career, even with comedy, it's like, you know, I've had some success and it's been like for, for like the gods of this career have been good to me, right?

They've been good to me. And I've been treated better really than I probably ever should have been, maybe, you know.

And then I guess I wonder like, yeah, I guess it's like, I don't know, it's interesting

because you can, you can try to still like be on the gas. You can look at like, well, where am I? And what's going on? What do I need? Um, you're like, I guess you're happy with your career because you've had a great career.

Very. Yes. I'm, like I said, man, super happy with it. I mean, I've been able to do what I wanted to do. I recorded what I wanted to record, saying what I wanted to sing, said what I wanted to

say, I've had an opportunity to do some acting stuff and have a lot of fun doing that. So yeah, man, it's great. And to ask you your question about what's I ever, when did I felt like I was establishing enough? I think about probably a year or so after, but donka donk came out.

I've realized I really probably don't have to put my saddle on another horse. You know, I can just ride that one on all fend of the sun. Yeah. You know what I mean? I just kind of knew that that one was going to be around for a while.

Did you know it from the beginning after you wrote it or was it just people who don't write that, man? Okay. Got it. But Jamie Johnson and Dallas David's in a Randy house or wrote that.

And Jamie Johnson's birthday is coming out. And Jamie was singing the demo. And when I heard it, I was in Scott Henry's office.

“I'll never forget and he played that song for me.”

And as soon as I heard Jamie's old cornbread mouth at the beginning of that, hush, or she night. Oh, I just started laughing, you know. And it got worse from there, you know, with him singing it, it was so funny. I bet piss myself and just to hear him do that, you know.

And I just, and I told Scott, I said, oh my God, I got to cut that. I was like, you know, probably, I don't care. And it won't have to ever get it, it'd probably won't ever get played on the radio, but I'm gonna cut it because that's hilarious, you know, and it's cleverly written, it's funny to say, oh.

And so we cut it, you know, and didn't think any more about it. That's crazy. And it's crazy how much that really, that made it into like EDM places and everything. That made it into like, there was a lot of, like a lot of remixes that I've heard over the years.

There's been a lot of stuff. I was at a, I was at Jack upon the summer camp. He, yeah, he played it that he played it last year. We were at this summer camp together. Jimmy John has it summer camp.

We go up there and he played that and I had no idea that he had anything to do with writing that. Oh, yeah, man. But it was awesome, dude. Yeah, that's funny.

God, he's a great artist, man. He's fun to be around him and his wife. He's funny. He, uh, he's a good dude. He is a good dude.

I lost a good old Marine.

“Bet to him on the Super Bowl, I think, or UFC fight something.”

And we had to donate to a charity. I don't remember what his charity was or something. I think it was, might have been helping Blake Shelton with that, recover from that sandal thing he went through. But that's rumors.

I don't know about, uh, oh, Jamie Johnson and his wife, Brittany, run the give it away foundation named after his hit George Straits song.

The foundation supports veteran family and crisis charities ended funded by merch sales and

a $1 donation from every concert ticket sold.

“Uh, yeah, he just, did you play at all Gary Sanise's fundraiser?”

No. I knew he just had a fundraiser. Yeah. I wish I could have been there, but I was out. Me too.

I just. I was on road. I just gone through some plant medicine and I couldn't make it over there. Um, has there been a song that was, was, was, but don't, don't probably the most, uh, was at the biggest surprise for one that you cut.

You were like, wow. Yeah. I mean, I was surprised that, um, succeeded the way that it did, you know, uh, but then I was equally shocked whenever I thought, okay, if that one worked, then this one will work.

And that's when I put out that was the horrible brown chicken brown cow incident. Oh, yeah. When I put that out, and I thought it was going to blow up like, but I don't

“did, and the radio was like, no, that's, you've gone too far here.”

It just ended up like a porn meme, didn't it? Yeah. Brown chicken brown cow, you know. That's it. Dude, I didn't even know you started that.

Well, I sang the song, you know, and then, you know, and then, you know, and so the radio people were like, no, he playing that shit, that's porn, you know, whatever. Yeah. And that's the song, but I thought it was in the right spirit, you know, it was meant with love.

Yeah. So, I mean, it was, they were married, these two people I was singing about. They were married. Oh, yeah. You know, doing it in the barn, that's not like a legal or anything.

No, I don't think it's just a good clean fun there. I mean, it's fine with me. I don't know them, you know, but now we'll say this. If I'm a neighborhood watch guy now pull up and you're doing something. Yeah.

Well, why we need you to wear the best so we can see you coming. I mean, if you come up, you ain't got on your official, you know, neighborhood watch uniform. You know, you can't watch, you can come walking up on me and Betty Lou, who in the barn doing our thing, man.

I agree. I'm just saying, if I pull up in your yard, and you were doing something that goes against our charter, we're doing something that goes with brown chicken, brown, you know, then that's probably against your charter. I mean, it's just, I don't know, it's so hard to keep you doing that out in your yard.

Well, it's so hard to keep a neighborhood safe. That's what I'm trying to say out loud.

“Was there a tour that you almost went on over the years and that you didn't?”

What is that like, how is it over the years, how you choose to tour and win not to tour? Because I'm at a point where it's like, you know, toans great and stuff, but it takes up a lot of your time. I feel like you'll get off of a tour in your realize, wow, you know, my life has been sort of just like little pictures, little moments here and there and it hasn't been a

real, like a streamlined thing. Did that happen to you at times and you had to kind of slow it down to make things happen in your life that you wanted outside of work? No, I mean, I've had to take some time off, you know, to maybe do a movie project or something like that.

But as far as tours go, I never, I, I went on the tours that people wanted me to go

on and, and if I, if somebody offered me a tour and I didn't like them, I didn't go, you know, so yeah, I did the tours I wanted to do and was there anything that I regretted? I probably should've done that Madonna tour when she asked way back when, because she heard me do, and my go-to karaoke song is like a virgin and she heard me do it once and one of me tour with her.

Did you really? That's all, uh, just made that. I don't know. But I do, I will sing that song, though, at karaoke. I'll tell you a story.

You don't expect to hear that coming from me when I get up and bust out like a virgin that takes this audience. Touch for the very first time? Yeah. They like that.

I bet that's probably the best part of it. I'll tell you this man, I'll tell you this. So my grandparents would let us come up there, so I'm in the summer, but I was probably after I bought five of them to me come up there, but one time, I went across the street to the park.

They live in a small town, probably, maybe 800 people in this town. I went across through that nice park there, and I went across street and some girl was over there and she had a radio. She plugged it in to the little outlet under the, uh, they had a couple of picnic tables under a little, like, just a steel shed, kind of top, and uh, she plugged in that radio,

and she played like a virgin, and uh, dance on this picnic table, some little kind of native

looking girl, I'd never seen her before, and I don't even know, I didn't say anything

and she say to the town or negative, I don't know, negative looking, I don't know, I could

radio, and she played, um, like a virgin just dance to it, and it was just bizarre, I just

“remember being like, I don't know, I think it was the first time I felt anything towards”

a woman, or whatever, I just didn't know what was going on, you know, a little cocked and when you stood up on you, yeah, yeah, oh, you five, you were five, I mean, I had, you know, I can't remember, I had that wainer in me, I can remember, you know, I was a lot I don't know, some of that could be in my imagination. Trace. But now I did plug it in and she's saying that's all he was a first time I'd ever seen a woman kind of perform something like that, you know? And how many time now you pay for it? Yeah. Now you pay to see it. That was the first 3B you got. Yeah, never paid me. I put money in their drawers. That whole thing. That whole thing was a big bait and switch, man. That's what it was, man. You've gotten to play with a lot of legends over the years as a legend like yourself does, man.

And are there some, did you ever get to play with like, or see Jerry Lee Lewis play? No. Before your time. Well, he still plays some. Does he still play? He passed away. He finally passed away. Yeah, but man, he lived a lot longer and he lived longer in Keith Richards. Yeah. He kept on living dead.

Yeah, no, I didn't see him. I never got to see Johnny Cash. I did a show with Wailon and I actually got to sing with Hagrid and Ronnie Mills out and Buck Owens.

Some of those guys that I just revered and, you know, just put on that pedestal, you know, and I actually got to sing with them. And so, man, that was unbelievable.

“It was the surreal moments that I'll never forget performing with those guys. So, yeah, I've got to be a fan.”

And I, I've, that's what I am. I've always been. I've been a country music fan. He's still a ham. You know, and those opportunities came along were just process. Who's that photo right there? George Jones, gosh, I love George. Yeah, was he pretty neat got to be around? George was George. Usually didn't have a whole lot to say, man. I'd go over to his house and watch TV and we'd sit and watch TV. Yeah, we worked out. Yeah, you know, we just watched TV. Yeah, George won't watch a ball game or a movie or something. That's what we do. We didn't talk.

You remember doing something that is early mornings like I remember I used to work as a tour manager for an artist for this guy, Josh Kelly and his brother Charles is a musician as well. Charles Kelly. And I worked with Josh for a while. He would go play it all the radio stations in the morning and push his single. So I was just working as just a tour support, you know, for him. So it was just me and him traveling around the country who's pushing this single that he had that did well. And I just remember those mornings that those radio stations, you were like, we're bringing in lobster and they have like lobster like five fifty five in the morning dude, which is like not a good time to put lobster in your system.

And also that have doughnut. We got it's like donuts and lobster on the on the was or something that is like some crazy radio shit, you know, like we're giving away a free best boat or whatever, you know, it's like who can eat the most lobster, you know, remember that kind of shit. Those mornings shows, oh my god, when you're trying to.

And always it never cease to amaze me and I would bring it up every now and then and they would just blow it off because I'd be like, let me tell you something. Okay.

Let me say that some half of everybody that sings, we can't do it well at six o'clock in the morning. It's just it's an impossible thing to do and you expect us to come in here and do it. And be good and it's not going to be good. I'm just telling you, it's not going to be good. And nobody's going to do it well at six o'clock in the morning.

“I mean, you know, that's why we do shows at nine o'clock 10 o'clock at night.”

Yeah, because that's, you know, get man got to wake up, you know, have a few cups coffee.

Trace seconds goes good with lobster. I never went and had lobster to morning show. You must have been man or something.

Oh, dude, this was some place. We were like, we got 40, it was like, we got 40 pounds of lobster coming in and then they would have like car washes and lobster. But it was always some, you know, I'm saying it was always some regular roll like we got hot air balloons and lobster, whatever. And it would always be some kind of shit and like what in the fucking I get involved in, like because comedians, we had to go there too. Like, so it would be crazy that I went on this tour with Josh. We probably went to a hundred radio stations around the country.

And then we drive to the next place. And it was great, man. I felt lucky to have the job was getting to travel around the country. But then 10 years later, I'd be there doing it with comedy, you know, or yeah, doing it with as a comedian going in to the radio station. To the radio station, you'd have to go in early, you know, you'd have to be in there and like, you know, you'd have to be funny on the radio at, you know, at 648. Oh, yeah. And you know, it's like, and we'd see y'all in the lobby.

We always thought to, like actors, like big movie stars, you know, I always thought, if I, okay, I want to go in, I want to talk to these people.

and tell them about my new project and how good it is and what inspiration was and blah, blah, and all that kind of stuff. But then just play the song. Play the song. Play the song on radio. The way that I recorded in studio. That's what we want here. You don't want to hear me try to sing it at six o'clock in the morning. It's like actors with the go-do talk shows, promoting a new movie or something. The guy sitting there interviewing them, you know, at some point he doesn't go. Okay, well how about doing a scene for us from the movie?

You know what I mean? Can you imagine that Leo DeCaprio we going to listen to? They should have this scene from the movie and they should have to. No, show the clip. No, we want you to do a scene. You do it. Here, you're right now. Do it. And action. You know what I mean? It's like, come on man. But we have to go in at six o'clock in the morning and sing. And we have to go in and air and be fun. And tell jokes. Yeah.

“It is kind of unfair, isn't it? Well, I think so. That's why they bring in the lobster.”

That's why they add in the bullshit every time. It was always something. Every time.

Well, with comedians, I'd be up there with like, we're giving away a free Christmas treat and, you know, eight, thirty beat, you know, beyond the jingle dial or whatever. And we'd be shitting in there and it'd be somebody calling in asking if it's a damn Douglas fur or whatever. It's like, bitch, I don't give a shit. What it is. Like, I'm trying to get in here. You know, be funny. If I can't and help sell some tickets, you know, and get people an almond town. But I just always remember those morning radio, man. That stuff was a, that that. That stuff was a hall.

It was also a great bunch of times. Same man. Yeah. I did it so much. I did it so much, dude. But sounds you did get to know a place a little bit better, sounds that would get me out of bed in the morning.

“I think there was blessings to it. What do you, do you think you've achieved all your goals with the, with entertainment?”

Like a way, man, I did way more than I ever thought I would do. You know, I mean, this whole thing was like,

I would never have allowed myself to dream that big. You know, I think I'm a, I'm a realist in that respect.

I wouldn't have allowed myself to dream that I would have this kind of career and get to do this for as long as I've done it. No way. So everything's gravy now. Did that change any of your perspective about certain things or give you like to adjust like kind of how you think about life or even how you like, like things you talk with your kids about because that's pretty interesting to think that shit life gave me more even than my dreams, you know, or that God gave it, you know, what, you know, what I'm not sure what you're beliefs are, but or that's, you know, the entities of the universe gave me more than even my dream. That's pretty wild.

More than I, you know, I, I think I took just a very little bit of talent and just went way farther than I should have, you know, so yeah. I mean, Buck Owen's told me one time I went to Buck's place and went to his radio station there in Baker's Field and it was raining that day. And so Buck wasn't playing golf and he was actually in the radio station. So he went, he, he wanted me to go in his office. So he and I went his big office there and he locked the door and wouldn't let nobody else come in and I was sitting there with guitar and he told me to

sang this, sang that and he sang that new single you got and so I did it and he was like, son, let me tell you something.

“And he said that low note that you can sing. You need to do that on every song because that's all you got going for you.”

It's all you got going. That's what Buck Owen said to you. Yeah. And he was serious. Yeah. And I appreciated him for it. You know, it's like he was, you know, he's just, you go with that, do that all the time, do that because that's kind of the one thing you got that nobody else has. So do that, you know, and was it good advice? I've done it in just about every song. Yeah. You know, hit that low note and rattled and subs and, you know,

chicks kind of get a little wiggly but don't get done. Yeah. Yeah. Can't sit still. You look. I mean, you got a deep voice. You know, look, I'm not even a woman and it makes me, you know,

They do. Yeah. God, I should have done it. Been a bass singer. Yeah, I couldn't have done it. I had to get more balls added in my bag. I think I need six balls. I think to hit the note to you, it, man. I need probably eight balls or something. Dude, you might even have some. Yeah. I can't even

“imagine hitting those. Look, you must have some damn balls on you. Yeah. If it would take probably two hours”

to neuter you. Do you shave your balls or use somebody else to do it? You don't know. Not sure. Oh, you're not sure. Like you send up shame. You don't know how they all have happened. I mean, remember, Nair? People would rub that stuff on there. God. Yeah. I freaking put it in my, I put that stuff was painful. Oh, that shit. When it's best you put all your, I'll put it, remember doing my legs when you're, I was trying to get ready for Christmas or whatever. And I was like,

I thought it was getting ready for Christmas. You didn't want to have air on your legs for Christmas? Why, I knew that I knew that I got in these cool velcro pants. My grandfather died. And sandals are, yeah, I will get that air off you fake for you. I got sandals. I mean, toenail fungus is okay, but air. You can't help that. No, dude. I remember what half was. I got this pair velour not Velcro pants. My grandfather had died in him and I inherited him. And so I was so excited

about it. And I said, but the hair on my legs died in him. He died in him. He died in him. He had smokers for whatever they cut both of his toes off two of his tentos. Smokers for it is not a thing. Yes, it is smokers for it. No, it's not. Yes, it is. Smokers for it. Bring up smokers for it. Oh, my God, that's just straight up diabetes man. It's smokers for it. Well, I know, he got it from watching. He from smoking cigarettes and watching the damn St. Louis Cardinals play.

Smokers fever first of various foot conditions. Oh, well, that's I mean, that dude shouldn't wear

sandals that guy. Yeah, don't even come close to a pair of sandals. Yeah, I agree. But yeah, granddad lost those toes and I was wearing a pair of velour pants. You weren't wearing velour pants when he passed this. Oh, I got it. But I did my, my, my, my leg hair would gather in him and it would come out the pants kind of you know your leg hair will come out like it through. No, I don't know how that is. It would shift through the fabric. It would kind of come out through the textile or the

tapestry of it. No, no, I've had to happen, you know, putting on a pair of them tight insulated

“underwear, but not just regular pants. Yeah. Why, I think at the time. Well, they were skin type pants.”

No, they were right. They were pretty, no, they were, they were a little bit tight. At the time, I'm not the honest with you. I think I was using steroids or something. So my hair was growing fast. So I had my body was damn. I mean, I'd give dang little Gary Bucy around for his money over there. You know, I was full. I had a lot of hair. And that's a true story. And I, it's, but anyway, I use near my legs. But also, yeah, that shit was painful though. My legs got all kinds of like

pimples and stuff on them and just it was horrible for them. Stuff was toxic. So we got there, don't bet an air or something. That's toxic, man. What's one of the most humbling moments? Because, you know, in your career was, or in your life kind of has been a moment that's kind of like, I guess we were more in your career. Like, what's been a part of your life for your career? I guess

it's that you've kind of felt humbled by. Oh, wow. That's an interesting clip. The first time

I really remember being humbled was when I, my first year college, when, you know, I'd had a good dominant senior year playing football. And then I went to college and I got out on the field, those guys. It was like, whoa, this is a different game right here, you know. Yeah, that's step up and talent right there. That was humbling. And you got to pretend that it's not, I guess, out there, you can't. Oh, yeah, but I mean, you know, going from a year in high school,

when you kind of felt like the stud pretty much every Friday night, you know, and didn't really run into anybody that I couldn't handle, you know, my senior year. And then the toughest guy,

I always tell me, like that toughest guy that I faced across the line of scrimmage, my entire

“senior year, you get to college in the whole field's full of those guys. You know what I mean?”

Especially on the, you played a Louisiana Tech. Yeah. That's where Terry Bradshaw played, yeah. Yeah. And Tonya Brown's dad played there. Yeah. Well, and then you go into the field house,

building. Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's a god there, you know, so yeah, that was really humbling. Did he ever come to one of your games? I don't remember him coming. He should he all look like a little, I could see. And, uh, course I've been humble sense. I mean, you know, you get into this business. You got to eat a little humble pie every now and then or you're not going to stick around. Yeah, I think it's the same probably in most things. I think it's like, I don't know. I think in most

parts of like entertainment, probably comedy, there's always like somebody that's better or younger

and different that comes along, you know. And I think, yeah, just make sure, making sure I stay on the side of like, oh, I think that's cool. Or that's awesome. Instead of getting on any

“begrudging side of it. Yeah, you get humble. I mean, you know, I had my, you have to wake up and”

realize, you know, like I said earlier, you know, I had my turn. Somebody else has turned, you know, and you just got to accept that and then you can be a little humbling, but you still wasn't moving on. You said that book, Owen's probably gave you a decent piece of advice there. Was that probably a best advice you ever got? You think or what's a decent piece of advice that you've gotten in your life that's kind of stuck with your, even if it didn't follow it at the time in hindsight,

you look back and be like, hmm. Yeah, my old man. Yeah, keeping knives sharp and guns loaded. Yeah, I think the two things, two useful things in this world of dull knife and they have to gun. Yeah, no, man, tell me that. And he also said, this Christmas, I'm going to get you an

“animal and a rubber hammer and see how long it takes you to tear it up. It was a tour of everything for”

man. I had drugs, tractors. Do you do it for fun? You did it on purpose. You think no, I didn't do it on purpose. No, but I tore my love. Yeah. Yeah, I'm trying to think about tore a lot of shit up. My buddy, Jeffrey, he had some sort of issue, but he would and we survived the gas leak in his house, also, but I've talked about that. He would get upset and beat all the drywall out of the wall in his room at his house. And for Christmas, his parents would get the room redone every year and get him

fresh drywall in there. Probably you just sitting around smelling gas all the time. Yeah, good. I never thought

about that. They thought he had a day with a mic. You go crazy. Eventually you sit there and just keep smelling it and don't fix the leak. Yeah, they're not going to get survived the gas leak. Why do you just sit there in it? You know, okay. Well, you get a, you get a new merit patch on your neighborhood, watch vest for surviving gasoline for reporting them. He's doing an experiment. See how long my hand could survive in a gas leak. You sat there. You and your buddy, well, it was his name. Jeffrey,

Jeffrey. You got his name, Jeffrey, sound just a little. That's just, you know, he was doing some things. I mean, I'm all just all cool Jeffries. You know, I think no cool Jeffries out there. I mean, he first of all, yeah, Jeffrey, I think Jeffrey, your name is Jeffrey. You don't ever go by Jeff. You shouldn't. Yes. No. I mean, once you get hair on, you know, that you go Jeff, right? Yeah, you go Jeff and you get Jay. I go Dr. Jay. I go Dr. Jay. I go Dr. Jay, boy. I go big Jeff with

“the nuts. That's what I'd call myself. What else to trace? What's new in your world right now?”

What's something that you're looking forward to? You know, I'm going to do another record. Another country record. Because you're in your 30th. This is your 30th anniversary tour right now, right? I came in saw a man. It was a great show, man. It was really great. We sat there and I just didn't, you know, you just like, yeah, you just kind of lose track of all the songs that are attached to certain people and then you lose track of ones that just that you just that you don't remember. You know,

and it's nice to sit there. Just go through the anthology man. It was awesome, dude. Well, thank you. So yeah, I'm going to do another record. I didn't know if I was going to or not after I did that last one. We did that the way I want to go album and had 25 songs on it. Because that was we did that during COVID when we didn't have anything else to do. We stayed in the studio all the time. You know, and ended up with 25 songs and I thought, okay, that's it. You know, I don't have to

do another record. And then when 30 years came along and my voice is still the way it is.

I thought, you know, I guess I will do another record. And I've always been like that. You know,

say no songs in the same key that I recorded on me and I can still hit the licks and hit the notes and do all the things that I need to do. And I'm just, I guess I'll just keep doing it. You know, but it's kind of like, oh, it's just the old jock in me. I guess, you know, I had to walk away from football when I just couldn't do it anymore. I was too tore up and couldn't perform at the

“level that I was satisfied with. But as long as I'm satisfied with my performance and and I think”

that I'm doing it, okay. And, you know, then I guess I'll just keep doing it. So I might as well make another record. Do you feel like a calling, almost a responsive ability to do that? Or is it just sort of a personal thing? Like, hey, if I can do this and I'll, and I do love doing it. I'm a keep at it. That's kind of it. Yeah. You know, I'm just going to keep them just going to do it because I feel like I'm still, I'm still good at this. Yeah. You know, I feel like I've held you out.

I've gotten better at my craft. I think I'm better at it now than I ever have been. I don't know. That's my voice is still, you know, quit smoking and range got better. The bottoms got better over the years. I mean, I can go deeper than I ever could. And that's just going to get better with age. Your voice just gets lower and lower. But I haven't lost anything on the top,

either. I can still hit everything, you know, on the top end that I always could. So

hell, why not just keep doing it? Yeah. It was popping when we came, man. We didn't feel like, you know, sometimes you're there and you feel like the artist is kind of, it's not like what you've heard, you know? I know. We didn't feel like I don't want to be one of those guys. I've seen those guys. I've been to those shows where they're still out doing it. It's like, dude, just quit. Yeah.

“And just please stop. We don't want to remember you like this. You know, I don't want anybody to say”

that. Yeah. Me ever, you know? What was one of the, uh, has there been a, what was like one of the toughest points you're creating, you feel like? I mean, obviously got shot. Well, I wasn't, I was way before I got a record to, you know, uh, toughest points of my career. I don't know, there was a period, you know, thereafter that sophomore album came out, you know, that sophomore jinx kind of thing. And, uh, it rared it so that we had and started biting me pretty hard and things got, you know,

got, they just slowed way down. And I thought, I mean, when I first came out, you know, the first

album, you know, two number ones and platinum and, you know, I'm just like, this is going to be easy. You're the hot cake in town. Yeah. And then, then in reality sets in, when you put that sophomore record out, but I wouldn't say that it was hard times just, you know, disappointing. I just thought that graph was going to keep going that way. You know, when you look back on that, do you think like it's like, uh, that you, that you stuck to all your laurels, even though you were like a

young artist at that time, or do you feel like, because a lot of times with the artists, you get it. Like, after that first album, sometimes they'll try to attach a lot of other producers and things like that can happen. And no blame or anything. I'm just thinking like, what would you, would there be any suggestions you would offer from your experience to an artist that heads, has had some early success as to what, like, you know, if there's any like, um, thing you could share about that next experience,

“maybe it'll, you know, you know, I think you should ever try to change your game to fit into”

what's going on now, you know. Yeah. You don't do that, you know, just be who you are and dance with the one that brought you, you know, to keep doing that. You know, it's been my experience anyway that those fans that you had, that those people that became fans of yours for what you did, if you keep doing that, they'll stay. You know, don't run them off. Yeah. Um, you have a farm, which I'll growing out of there, weeds and trees weeds, uh, weeds and trees. Oh, yeah, I said,

yeah, not weed. Okay, you should regularly weed. I didn't know. I can't be smoking. It's my potter now. No, I haven't been a long time. It makes me kind of nervous. Turn me into a damn hot. It makes me so proud. The old rock, the older I got, the worst, the paranoia was that came with it.

And it just finally got to point where I can do something more. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I am, dude.

And I mean, now that stuff they're growing now, I mean, that's just like acid or something. Yeah, people having hallucinations. That's just like having a fucking gas leak in your head. Yeah, man. That's just the gas leak all day long. Oh, that new shit will just turn me into a damn haunted

it's tickets a little bit dark. No, I haven't done it in a while. What's in the news? Anything

“we want to look at, fellas? Send my truck spills nearly 40,000 pounds of Frank's red hot.”

Boy, I'd pull my pickup truck there. Start loading. Oh, God. I'd fill my pockets with that. Dude, I'd put two handfuls in a little sister's mouth. Make her bring it home, dude. We would be storing that in our cheeks like damn, just like damn recipe squirrels. I met a brutal near nationwide heat wave. It seems strangely appropriate. The spill scene on a Ohio highway. Now, we'll say this. They could use a little bit of season

and up there. Has been labeled red hot. With semi truck leak to strange reddish liquid on the highway near Columbus. Frank's red hot near a 40,000 pounds shipping. What I'm looking at here, though, is the Jeremy Roth. They're the guy that wrote the story. Seriously, you know, new source. You know, I mean, what do you think Jeremy's gig is? They're at the new station right. It's like, okay, we've got the shit spilled out here on the road. We need somebody to go ride about it.

Jeremy, you ain't doing nothing. Go ride about these shit spilled out on the road out here. Jeremy, Jeremy, Jeremy is this far from getting fired. You know what I mean? So we got to find something for him to do until it comes into the month and we get rid of him. So we're going to send Jeremy out there and he's going to write a thousand words about this red shit spilled on the highway. He probably drink a morning coffee out of damn baby bottle or something of an air because he's

been through some stuff. He has PSTD from like, he got a computer at bad spell check on or something

in college and he had never really processed it. But dude, I can't even know how to tell you

burrito from a live bureau. Hey, man. We've worked hard, okay. I'll say this. Some of those driveways were uphill trace. Okay, losing only word that far uphill. Okay, you're right. Okay, that part I am, that part I'm slightly made up, but there was some mild elevation in some of the sidewalks. You know that. Okay. I know that you have a new single American made that I haven't gotten to hear yet. I'm going to check it out. Good. Appreciate you preparing for this interview. You got a professional sound

bitch. Dude, please put that. You weren't the shit. You know, I've had better interviews on a small market radio station in the middle of Nebraska. Hey, we got some lobster coming in right after this guy's. Yeah, show is coming up. Oh, a lot of these festivals. I love that, man. Do you like being at the festivals? Him like it's a good time if you get to be around other artists. Yeah,

“every now and then, you know, and you got to sort of rally green coming up under that's happening. Really?”

Yeah. Yeah, he's doing pretty good. He's doing all right. We just had him in here, man. It was fun Chapman. This was actually really great, too, though, man. I had a nice time. Well, thanks. How did you, too? Hey, look at that. Dude, that's awesome, man. It makes you feel good. Me excited. This is what I look like. Hey, look, man. This is orgasmic face. Hey, look, you know, now I know why I saw my lady said, I can't. He's sticking around to any more of this.

I'm obviously not doing it, man. Good. Man, uh, Hastings New England, fondue lock Wisconsin. Dude, I'm so excited to go up to Wisconsin. This, uh, I'm a go take a, we're going to rent some camper. He's Kurds. Oh, God. Yeah. I love cheese Kurds. Um, is there a part of the country that surprised you? There's a few for me that are surprised me over the years of just places I've gone, like, lacrosse Wisconsin, uh, a Claire Wisconsin, um,

I'm, I want to go to Charlotte, boy, Michigan now. Grand Rapids, Michigan. I thought just little places that I thought that I've gone to and have been like, oh, wow, this place is really

unique. And I never would have got to go. Is there a surprise or two? Clear Lake, Iowa. That's another place.

I just come up with these random places, man. That's like, wow, I've been to all those places, by the way, played all those festivals and Wisconsin. So cool in Michigan. Yeah. I mean, they throw down in the summer because, you know, it only lasts for like a week. So they get it all in when they can. You know, yeah, your husband's thought out. You've got to get him out in the yard, do

“shit. Yeah. So, he thought out or whatever. Yeah, I've done all those festivals up there. I think”

the the craziest and most surprising place. I would have to say, it's a place that I just played

there because it's, it's the most unique county fair in America. And that's the Nishoba County Mississippi. Hey. Yeah. Hardie talks about that. People talk about that place. Bring it up because they got the beautiful homes that are all painted up over there and people rent them out. Learn at homes or shacks, but yeah, they're. Oh, they are. They're nice. I mean, yeah, you know,

but they're very small because they're built on these little lease pieces of land that basically

were meant to be where you would set up your vending tent, you know, to sail stuff at the fire. Like they usually do. You rent this little place and you come there and you set up your tent and sail, you know, turquoise or, you know, funnel cags or whatever the hell it is you're selling. Oh, yeah. But then these people started doing these long-term leases on these places and just keeping them in the family for years and years and so they bought these narrow built these narrow

little houses that just go straight up for three stories. And so it's supposed to be wide enough just to sell a funnel cake out of, but then they end up making it so yeah. I mean, they started

“doing that years ago, 100 years ago, you know, and so that's what they do. And I mean, this”

picture right here just doesn't do it just to something because this fire ground is, you know,

hundreds of acres and these things are all over the place, man. It's huge. I know it. Well, this thing must be calling me because we were just talking about this last week, you know, with Hardy. Yeah. He's from there. No, with Raleigh Green, we're just talking about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He was bringing it up. I was just saying that you have to see event a few weeks ago. Did you watch any of that? You watching any of that? You have to see fighting. The one where

countermeasures. Yeah. Just whatever he did. I don't know what that was. I felt like he really did get hurt. I felt he was hurt for getting a ring. Well, I don't know if he was or not. Some things did his energy going to the ring did feel suspect. It felt different. And it made you be just because he's he's been five years removed. Someone's it's hard to like show up and fit into an older fit into a different you or you from a different time. Oh, he was hurt. You do?

He might have been, dude. But God, it just would have been all the people in Ireland. We're fucking cheering for him. And you're like, God. But you have to show up in the ring because you have to do it.

“But I don't know, man. I think you should have backed out of the thing he was hurt. Damn.”

I wonder if they'll do a lot of text on him. You think they will? Yeah. I don't know. I just think it's funny. A lot of take a text on kind of regretter. It'd be crazy, huh? Yeah. If they did it. Because you can't press charge. Like, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

I don't know. I've never known. I know, man. This thing everybody loves about you. You already

ever know what fuck you talking about. Charming. Thanks, man. Thanks. All right, man. Well, okay. I appreciate your time, man. I appreciate Bob Kingsley. Is that him? That's him. Bob Kingsley. Thanks for bringing that up. Oh, man. And I knew him good to. Bob was a great guy. Man. He did that American country count down show for decades, man. And he was the one I'd listen to. If you hurried out of church to keep the preacher quit right before noon, you could get out there and hear the number one song.

“You know, I always try to get to the truck before Bob got to number one. Can you play him?”

This play is intro. I want to hear it for a minute. Just the beginning of his show. If you're on YouTube, you're classic. You know what, I just bought Jerry Clauer's suit from when he performed. Oh, no way. Just got it. They knew I was a fan of his and so they said. I love Jerry Clauer. Oh, my God, man. We had his albums Justin Wilson. You remember Justin Wilson? Yes, dude. I just got on the Justin Wilson. Not even too long ago, man. He was funny too. He was like the Louisiana Jerry

Clauer. He was losing the owner's Jerry Clauer. You know, yeah, I got that red suit right there. Oh, wow, I can't even believe it, man. I got it. I got inside. Oh, dude. He's the best. Still one of the best storytellers ever. I believe. I don't think they make them like him anymore. He talks about playing George football. Oh, yeah, he does. Yeah, Zoo City, Mississippi. Marcelle, lead better. Oh, dude. I love it. I love listening to Jerry. And there's a lot of great artists like that. They kind of disappear

just because they didn't have as much of... I wear my overalls away, Marcelle, or he is. Do you? Yeah, with nothing under him. He's in the button. It's not done together. My wife gets a kick out of when I wear my overalls. No drawers. Nothing under him. Well, look, I'm just glad you got it. I'm glad

Yes, right here. It says, yes, under an Napoleonic law, you can become say it if you lose a limb.

“However, there is no fixed price. Huh. Instead of a flat fee, courts and insurance adjusters,”

calculate damages using individualized categories known as heads of loss. I thought it was different.

I thought a thomas 14k, right? I thought each body part had a little price test to it.

“So, yeah, back in day. Yeah. Thanks change, huh? You just got to roll with it. Yeah, but that's the only”

thing you can do. Tracy, I can demand. Thanks so much for your time, dude. Thanks for your music. It was nice to get to meet your daughters in the past year, too. I've got to see them in a couple of

shows. Thanks for always let me feel welcome at your shows, man. And yeah, thanks for your music,

dude. Your stuff got me through some tough times in my life, and it's just been a blessing to witness. The new tours great. If you guys get to go see them, the 30th anniversary tour. I'll go check it out, and I'll be back out at one. I'm a fan, man. Thanks, dude. Thank you, brother. Okay. And your mom, too, what's up, Peggy? Vote for Peggy. Yeah, nobody runs against you anymore.

“Well, she's run on a post. I think the last two or three games.”

I'm just fucking on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of my mouth. I can feel it in my bones.