#683 - Neil deGrasse Tyson

We don't know.

You know him from his show Star Talk.

“He has a new book Lost in Space, 5,000 facts for navigating the universe.”

We caught up in his hometown of New York City. I'm grateful for his return. Today's guest is Neil Degress, Tyson. We got to ship some of this bad ass out in the space, man. That's what I'm saying, dude.

It's expensive though, that's a problem. Yeah, it's more talked than action. No time like the present, man. Neil Degress, Tyson. Good to see you.

Excellent. We haven't be back on. Oh my gosh. It's been a few years. Yeah, it's a pleasure, man.

And you're in my town now.

Yes, I was going to say, yeah, we're here in New York City.

We had a chauffeur on, and he talked about, he was from the Bronx, and he talked one time about. The Bronx? There you go. Yeah.

He was from the Bronx. The Bronx. I heard his a lot of Asians out there, dude, he's from the Bronx. Well, not when I was growing up. Well, he said that there was a time in the 70s when they used to bring swimming pools over

there, like a pool, like semi-trucks into his neighborhood. I don't remember that, but I do know that occasionally, if you had a charitable fire department, they would open the fire hydrants. And you can, they're these sort of covers with holes in it, and it would put spray onto the street, so that you can play in the street.

So they crack open the fire hydrant. You crack that open, but I'm looking at your images now.

No, I don't remember those.

Oh my gosh. And I was in town at that time. Is this in the Bronx? Yeah. That's cool.

Yeah, this is the Bronx. It says this is 1970s. Yeah, I'm around. I'm an old fart. So.

But you were barely alive. No. It were barely alive.

“But yeah, I was just, I didn't know if maybe you'd remember that from growing up, you know?”

Yeah, I mean, hot times in the city, you know, the term, you know, the street gets hot and it's just hot in the summer and no one is in school. And so I think it keeps, keeps emotions tamp down so that there's no unrest. Yeah. Last thing we won, huh, that's so true.

We have a new book lost in space, 5,000 facts for navigating the universe. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's co-produced with, between my podcasts, start talk, podcast, and National Geographic Books. It's like a fourth collaboration, it's gorgeous and it's, it's 5,000 facts in all categories.

And it's, but they're not just facts because you can just Google facts. Yeah. It's just, start, talkified, start, talkified fact, so I'll give you an example, all right? Okay? Instead, ask me, how big is the sun?

How big is the sun? I could say it's 864,000 miles, but you can Google that. Or I can say, take 100 Earths and line them up. That's the width of the sun. Wow, really?

Here, if you're hungry, I can say, if the sun were a sesame seed bagel, Earth would be the size of one of the sesame seeds. That big guy. So I'm just saying, the facts are just a little more pop culture and fused. I see.

A little more pazzaz.

“Yeah, yeah, just so that you will never forget it.”

Yeah. Okay. You're not going to forget the sun in the earth right now, and I know that bagels in Nashville. Well, also, my brother is a deathly allergic to sesame seed.

Well, then there you go. So, I'm not going to forget that. I'll forget that. Dude, I actually, I read in your book that, yeah, I was prudent through it, man. It's like, yeah, it's just an engaging book.

Yeah, yeah, you just used to pick it up and open it, and there it is. Open it to wherever you're in, and you're in, like, you're out in the universe. Yeah. I mean, literally. And one thing that I read in it was that the human brain has 100 times more

than the synaptic connections than there are stars in the Milky Way. And that, I mean, and that blew my mind. Yeah, it's impressive. Yeah. So, is our brain more complex than, like, a galaxy?

I would say so. Why do you? Why can't I say so? I'm going to say so. You all that stars are interacting with each other with the force of gravity.

But in your brain, there's, like, chemical reactions, there's electrical reactions. You're being influenced by other reactions that happened before. These are your memories. There's, there's sometimes you get, like, an earworm, a song gets in your head. You can't get it out.

Yeah.

“Or you have these emotions that make you tear up or bring joy.”

Yeah. The universe inside your head is surely more complex than the universe itself, which brings the question, how is it possible that the universe can make something more complex than itself? Wow.

Is that possible? That's, it has happened. So, unless you want to say God did it, but then that's kind of, a little bit of a cop out because then I'd say, well, who made God?

They didn't have to be a God always, well, as we're God of, you have to, I could ask

you questions and put you in a place where you're stuck saying something that you just have to assert to be true. And so, but there had to be a beginning. Well, we have a big bang, but that pushes the question earlier. Well, who let the mass back, who it was before the big bang?

And only in the last couple of decades did we look at our equations that give us the big bang and this data that's supported as well, but you look all the way back, as it wait a minute, these equations are popping out other universes. So maybe there's not just a universe, maybe there's a multiverse. If this is multiverse, then our universe is just one of some uncountable number of other

universes.

“So then you have to ask, what was around before the multiverse?”

And here's another one that's a little bit mind-blowing. You go far enough back, there's Earth and then the universe. Well, then, no, Earth is just one of eight planets around the Sun, well, the Sun. Ah, something's bad, no, those dots of light and the night sky are just like the Sun. Like, damn.

The Milky Way galaxy, there it is, then Hubble discovers in 1925, 26, there are other galaxies in the universe, just like the Milky Way. So everything we thought there was one of, there isn't this countless others among them. But we've got one universe, maybe not, maybe there's a multiverse.

Well, if the universe never makes anything in one's, could there be only one multiverse?

Okay, is there a network of multiverse, is there a metaverse? We're running out of adjectives there, but it's to think about it, it's humbling. Yeah, not enough people are humbled in their life. Some people need a dose of humbling, as far as I can tell.

I think you have to think to be humbled there, and a lot of us aren't doing that. You know? You think? And half the time myself included. Were they act before they think, and then they regret it, or they try to justify it after

the fact. Oh, yeah, look. Yeah.

“I mean, you've been reading my diary, but what makes us able to think?”

Well, if you talk to evolutionary biologists, they will try to have it. And I'll let you know. Straight up. I have. So I've been talking to my buddy, Ray, and he's neither evolutionary nor biologists, right?

Well, honestly, he'd been doing duster. Oh, yeah. He'll be fine, but back to where we are. But you said you're saying, I had a, I value objective reality, okay, yes. By the brain barely works as it is, right?

So to start stern and chemicals and say, let me do do some else with my brain. I don't want to be that far removed from what is objectively true in this world. Oh, yeah. He's been, he's been hitting that keyboard cleaner, you know? He's got a space bar in his head now, dude.

Right. So the question was the question. It was. Oh, so every show I brought, I'll just would say, our thoughts when they evolved were just sufficient to not die and stay alive long enough to make babies.

Like, what do you mean by that? So the first thoughts were just like, okay, I need to stay alive. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and I need to put creates. I do not run away from this lion.

I will die. Well, okay, let's say you have three kids, one of them said, oh, I wonder what that is wrestling in the brush. Let me go find out. It's a lion.

They get eaten. That curiosity is removed from the gene pool. Okay. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, and the people say, I don't know what that is, but I'm a little bit afraid.

Let me go the opposite direction. They live another day, they have babies.

So curiosity is not always a good thing for your survival.

If you're curious about things, they could kill you. So that's the first fact. Plus, you want to make more of yourself. So sex matters. Yeah.

All right. And you know that thing where someone throws up and you smell the throat and you want

Oh, yeah.

What game is that called?

“It's one of those challenges I think on TikTok, isn't it?”

Oh, is it really? Okay. Well, I wouldn't be. It's a TikTok, right? But there's an evolutionary reason for that.

We're a tribe. We're here. You ate something before the rest of us did. And you just threw up. I don't want to eat what you just ate.

What's my body's best way to tell me that? I want to throw up just the way you did. So that's a chain reaction in your tribe, back in the cave. So we all throw up and we're all better because it happened to you, okay? And so it's why we react in these ways.

So the evolutionary biologist would say, we have thoughts that are for this reason. Okay? I give one more and I'll bring it into the present.

But some of the first thoughts were for to keep us surviving.

Yes. Okay, got it. Watch how that unfold. Okay. Okay?

And we care about our tribe, okay? We all kind of look the same. We smell the same because we're eating the same things, we're wearing the same clothing, we're hanging out in the same place, yeah, on Earth. We're buddies.

We're buddies, right? It's all of that. Okay. Here's another one. You go off and you come back with the food for tonight, the deer, the deer, whatever

that is. Yeah. Okay.

“And I don't come back with anything, but you come back with the elk, okay?”

Well, you had some abilities that I didn't.

The women want to have babies with you. Let me say that more precisely. We'll say it again. No. No.

No. No. No. Let me say that more precisely. Those who didn't matter who they have babies with, if I really have some inability

to bring home the bacon and we start having babies. My offspring doesn't have that ability either. We simply die off. We starve, whereas your branch of the tribe thrives. If it's not in the food for everyone, your branch will thrive.

So there's evolutionary selection to favor women who seek out, we call it the alpha male, but it's the male who brought back the food. But in the end, you're saying that someone, whoever could think and recognize that. So you wouldn't even have to think. Suppose I don't care who I'm going to want to have babies with, and then we all have babies

and none of us can feed ourselves, we simply die, right? You die, and your gene pool does not propagate. So this behavior that survives, this very, you can think of as an unfair, but it's favoring the fittest. Okay?

That's what it does. Right. Evolution is about not only your survival, about the death of everything else that did not fulfill that moment for its survival. Here's my point.

All of these things that matter to our survival back then. In modern days, you just go to the grocery store to bring home food. Yeah. Nobody's bringing home the elk on their back, the deer. And so, but if a girl sees you with a bag of tockies, she'll pull that.

“That's what I'm saying is, what I'm saying is, these elements in our behavior have”

been hijacked in modern civilization. You care not that the person brought home the deer, but they're bigger than life. They're bigger than the other. So what today is bigger than life, somebody a movie star, someone famous. Famous people have hijacked that element of our tribal behavior.

I see what you're saying so it used to be the person who was able to provide and the way with actual with a skill and the thing they're bigger than life. And survive. Today, you don't even need that, but the urge is still there and famous people are doing that.

Which is why famous people, you know, they get Celsius deals. I mean, I see what you did there, but no, it's Celsius is my word. I just want you to know. Yeah, it is a temperature scale. Whatever else it is on your show, I'm a scientist, it's a temperature scale.

So, but you're saying so that some of the things that we're like inaugural in our, and good word, are most primal sort of abilities that help us to survive and advance some of those. And that also, we're mechanisms to help us to procreate and move forward that those have been hijacked by these superficial practices.

there.

“So when I talk about these tribes back then, and you have a little watering hole, wait a minute,”

somebody's coming over the horizon, who's that, who they smell different, they look different.

What? They want my watering hole, that's not going to happen. It's going to fight. Okay, that's a survival thing. Today, water comes out of the fricking faucet, but we still have tribal urges.

And the tribal urge is out of control. It's like, even when people look alike, they'll still tribalize. Well, you pray to this God instead of this God, and you look, by the way, the two of you look identical. Okay?

Just look at, remember Ireland, we had Catholic Irish and Protestant Irish, they prayed to the same God, how to the same Bible, but there's two branches, and they're fighting each other.

The chytes in the and the Sunnis, the both Muslim, fighting each other.

So it is so deeply within us that even if we were the same, we would find ways to tribalize against it. We have long here instead of short here. It's red here instead of blonde here. You can tall instead of short.

And if you are all of that, but you found something else to tribalize behind like where you're born, your skin color, again, who you worship, what your sexual preference, that becomes a thing, and then people fight over that. So I'm surprised we have survived this long.

“Oh, you think we're hitting about to hit a call to sound?”

I'm sad. I'm just sad. Are you really? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

It's like they're only happy when they have someone else they can be angry with.

How is that so? But do you think it's serving us as no? No. No. Of course, they're more humans now than ever before.

So clearly, it hasn't heard us that badly, but as our weapons, the power of our weapons grow, and we still have tribal feelings, it's going to, I don't think it'll end well. The toughest part, I think, is that the people, the populace, are at a different space in the governments now, but it feels like we're at a place now where it's not even the people that want a lot of that, but it's like we're just sitting here almost like

heading wherever the government's going to take up. Which is unfortunate because it's supposed to be a government by the people of the people for the people. And if it's not that, then I don't know what we mean when we say 250 of that diversity of our democracy, you know, and it's people say freedom, it actually was not 250 years

of freedom, because women didn't vote until like 1920 or something. So they were not participants, half the population was not participating in the leadership. So what it is for 250 years, it's not a democracy, it was only a recently a democracy, but what it has been is Kingless for 250 years, and I liked that. I don't want anyone who by birthright claims that power over me just because who's vagina

they came out of. I'm sorry, you got to earn this, you got to show me that you're someone we're following, that you've earned my respect and my loyalty and my devotion. And if you haven't done that, go home. So I'm proudly say it's an American 250 years without a king.

Yeah, I don't know how we'll get out of this kind of space. They weren't, I don't want to get in like a, well, was us kind of space, but it does feel like kind of a scary, it feels like a scary space, because everyone's fighting all the time. But do you think they're fighting because they want to be or do you think a lot of it is

that they're being programmed to fight? Yeah, they're only happy if they're fighting, right, and plus social media is an outrage engine. You go anywhere, and I, what are they doing? I hate that. And it just feeds it, and then you come back from war and advertisers love it, yeah, they love it.

So it's, it's feeding your tribal urges, more a little trapped. And think about advertisers, what do they put in an ad, okay, they put in someone you want to have sex with, and then you'll do whatever they say, because you want to procreate and make more babies. Yeah.

And you do it because it feels good, but evolutionarily, it kind of had to feel good to make more of you. I mean, otherwise we'd go extinct pretty quickly.

“What do you say in? What? What are you talking about?”

What? What are you saying right now? What am I saying right now? I'm saying that we're being manipulated by advertisers, and they know these primal evolutionary urges, and they exploit them. Yes, they've got this spear to a sharp tip, Neil. You know, and that is spooky because it's this new sort of survival in a way,

this like it's this algorithm, it's this black hole for your attention, and once your attention is gone, and it's not on you, and you're well-being. Someone else is manipulating it? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, I worry. So, so if Aliens arrived, I would ask, do I

know, I want to book about Aliens two a few months ago? Yeah. Like, if you first encounter

with an alien, it's set you up for that. Okay. What is it like a how to do? Like, yeah, it's a complete like a first date happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, for example, if an alien, you know, lands and walks up to you, and it happens to be some appendage sticking out. Don't grab it and shake it. Yeah. Because you don't know what part of the alien tech is. Yeah. Yeah. You probably don't want to find out, I'm guessing. That's a space

branch. If an alien came down, and they had technology that got them here, one of my

“first questions would be, how did you survive yourselves? Like, putting me yourselves?”

Oh, we'll, they're own technology. Right. Because we may not. We may not survive our own technology. And maybe they're all just peace loving the aliens. Peace love and, you know, make love not war. Well, I mean, you know, the evil alien trope is so common. Evil aliens is just wanted. Well, that's because I think that that's been how they've been, I will. I don't want to say aliens have been, been pigeonholed, but I do feel like they

have been. Yes, they have, but what do you think we get that? I think we get it because they have a more advanced technology. Obviously, because they got here and we haven't visited them at any time humans with more advanced technology, having countered other humans with less

technology. It has never bowded well for the, it they've been enslaved, killed, tortured,

“extended, molested. And so I think the evil alien concept is our own fears placed upon them”

in our storytelling. It's a mirror to how we know we would behave in that situation. And that's unfair to the aliens, because they could just be peace loving aliens for all we know. Yes, I'll tell you what I think the aliens are. I think we end up in this space where you, you don't use your body as much anymore, right? Your, your, your on-screen, your digital things get technological, maybe they put a chip in your whatever. And your body after

it's like, like, eons of non-use and thousands of years of non-use just starts to like turn into this sort of this shape and your eyes, which are the things that like you still are pulling information in from and maybe they put a contact lens in that then expands over time. And then I believe that we just become the aliens. So all we're seeing, the aliens are just us in the, like, coming to visit. Interesting, because like an older us because the aliens are hardly

ever jacked when they come down this. They usually send. Well, they quit lifting weights, send trees to go. And here's a crazy part. I think aliens that come here. Like, if you see an alien, like, ship in, like, in on earth, I think it's almost like, like, an alien family somewhere else, like, like, the parents took them on, like, a shitty trip for, like, summer, whatever. And it's like, they could go to anywhere else in the galaxy and they're like, "Buck in, mom, we gotta go to earth,

“you know?" And so that's why we don't see a lot of them because it is, like, some jacked up”

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“Florida and Vanneburg, California. Well, Louisiana. Is Louisiana making a bid to launch?”

Yeah, pull that up. We just got a big deal down there down in Peacorn Island, baby. Is that very, that must be very forself? Yeah, man. It's like, bro. They're going to have dudes down there,

like, man, they got it. Man, you never going to believe it, shit. It belongs to ship out there.

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Hmm. It is made up of. It's such a crazy dichotomy. Uh, it's such a well, Texas was in the running

“for this and but we got that big. So, so we apparently you landed there. So, what's important is that”

east of the island. I don't know the map, but it's important that there's water east of the launch pad. Really? Why is that? Because as it launches, it's wants to orbit the earth typically, it goes east. There's something bad happens in it blows up and then falls in the water. Hmm, none of residential property. Oh, yeah, bro. They got a lot of like boats. They got people sleep on each other's backs down there. Maybe. I got something. Well, they got something to look at.

It make launches. There's nothing like a rocket launch. Let me just tell you. They never get a

being able to have Boosey written on them, bitches. It's good. Let's see. Uh, Peacorn Island is made up of mostly hunting and fishing camps with about a hundred permanent residents. Space X plans to use the site to support thousands of Starship flights a year. There will be five launch facilities

it's so right now. I mean, Starship carries people. Um, he's got his Falcon launch,

“you know, hundreds of years. So every few days, there's a launch. And it's going to be people on it.”

Starship is designed for people. But, um, so that could be where he launches people to go to the

moon, who knows what the future that's going to look like. Bro, so here's what happened in Huntsville,

Alabama. Uh-huh. When the government says we got to compete with the Russkees because they're going to, they, they got German rocket engineers. We got Werner from Braun. Let's build a rocket dude. They put him in Huntsville, Alabama rocket city. Well, not yet. It's some backwoods place in the south. And he says, I need engineers. I need mathematicians. And so people move there. And they didn't want to send their kids to the local schools. They built new schools. Industry is followed

it. And that section of Alabama is like it landed from space. It's a, it's a, it's a high tech corridor in Alabama. Unlike other areas of Alabama. So that would completely change the economy of Southern Louisiana. Oh, it's going to be wild on MMA. Yeah. I have definitely unique style rockets. You probably have a peacock crust and rocket. You know, a little bit of a crawfish, I'm on rocket. They're going to have it all day. I mean, a crawfish. It's going to be beautiful.

Well, I'll say this. They just let strangers jump on them rockets, bro. You're going to have, you know, if we strangers after they paid $10 million, I mean, if it's tourists, it's still really expensive. But they're going to have like a, you know, something for low-end economy. Like, oh, no, no, see how you do a low-income. They go have an EBT seat on that bill. You know,

it is. Here's what you do when, for low-income. You just have a lottery. And it would pay 10 bucks

for a ticket. You saw enough tickets. Somebody wins that lottery and they go up. And they don't have to be rich for that. Or she had roba show going beyond that rocket. Serming going beyond that rocket. Oh, that'll work. That's going to be amazing, dude. By the way, I don't mind going to rock about it. It depends on where it's headed. Okay. I don't want to boldly go where hundreds have gone before. Send me somewhere. Moon Mars, beyond. I'm signed up. Have you ever been offered

to go to space? I was, no, actually no. But, and space with people say space is, you know, you got the Bezos of Branson billionaire boy's space race. But they just go up and fall back to Earth. The whole trip is within 30 minutes. They don't go into orbit. But they go above this magic or place called the Carmen line where if you go above that level of the atmosphere, then daytime sky turns dark because there's not enough air to turn blue. And so they call it the Carmen line.

So if you go above that, you're classified as an astronaut. And I'm just saying, I'm an astrophysicist if you're going to send me to space send me somewhere. And if, I don't know if you knew that,

“take Earth and shrink it down a school room globe. You can ask, how high up did they go?”

Down to the school room globe. So here's Earth at school room globe. How high up is the space station? Okay. Space station is less than a half an inch above the surface. Okay. And then the Bezos Branson trip did the thickness of two dimes above Earth's surface. Do you remember the crazy dude that jumped out of it balloon for Red Bull? Felix Bumgartner? Yes. Okay. A few years back. His balloon, he died recently, by the way, doing one of these stunts. Damn, it's tough.

All right. Yeah. He jumped the thickness of one dime above the Earth. So none of this is really going anywhere for me an astrophysicist. Send me somewhere. Moon Mars will be on and I'm good.

And if Elon says, right one of my rockets, I'll say, Elon, I want you to fly your mother first.

And bring her back safely. Yeah. Then I'll go. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. That's totally

“fair. I think that's very fair. You got a mom test it. Yeah. But surely someone's reached out”

and offered you said, oh, so I was once given an opportunity to ride in the vomit comet. You know, there's a plane that goes up and falls back down in your waitlist for a little bit of time. Pepsi was going to offer me a spot. But I had to wear a Pepsi jumpsuit. And because they were advertising zero calorie Pepsi, and this was a zero gravity ride. And I could be photographed and end up in an ad. And I say, any word that much to me, I'm given my. So, so no, so I haven't.

But have Katy Perry and those people have they actually been a space. So they've just been above the common law. Well, well, that's, and so technically, technically they've been a space. Katy's been in space. And I thought they got a bad wrap on that. People cast shade on that launch. And well, Katy's just got a new album out. They all want to make sure they're pretty with the makeup up and everything. And I'm think chill. First of all, when planes were invented,

And I'm so this is kind of interesting. Let's keep doing this. And the industry grew to the

became its own thing into the aviation industry was birthed in exactly the same way. I see. So you got to use celebrities to advertise it. But I think here's a thing. Like you're saying, it didn't make sense in anybody's mind. Like I can't even get from here to Hoboken right in a half hour. Yeah, be hard. Right. I'm not going to think they can get to space and come right back. And then it kind of looked bizarre. And then they like over there. Like the door was kind of open.

There was a lot of stuff that didn't, they didn't help their own calls. Oh, okay. Well, I'm just saying

“celebrities in space. That's why I drew the line and that there they are. Yeah. And the fact that we're”

talking about it now is evidence. Good point. Even if you're, you know, if it's just an advertising

thing, then yes. Yeah. Right. Even if you're going to be a dick about it, they're still talking about it. But that's brave of those people to just be like, I'm going to trust this thing is going to make it into space and come back. And then come back and land safely. Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, if I'm going to put my life in risk in that way, I want to go farther. Give me something place to go. Who would you take in a space with you? I bring family. It's a grand little

category. But you bring family for two days. Oh, okay. I see what you're doing. Okay. Ain't nobody bringing a family to space, bro. Hey, bro, you don't bring sand to the solar system, huh? You filmed me? Okay. I got it. Okay. But you see, you want to bring like, you know, you're, who, you boys you hang out with, you know, they're just, yeah, who would you bring? Like if you had to bring kind of like a little gang up to space, who do you go with? Yeah, I don't

have to, I didn't thought about that. Okay. I hadn't thought of, because that mean I'd be focusing

“on them when I'm really focusing on the universe. Mm, that's fair. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.”

So maybe bring, yeah, I'm trying to think, yeah, to get actually a good question because you might might take your energy. You know what I'd want to bring? Mm. A poet and a comedian. Mm. I bring you. Because because you, you'd look around and you say some funny shit. This, this, this, this, some funny stuff to be experienced. Oh, yeah, Saturn, look at it. Yeah, I did. No, I highly value the lens through which comedians observe the world, especially

if it's a world, you have it not seen before. So you know what happens. Everything up there comes through your lens and you're going to think about it in the context of all of your life and all of crazy people you grew up with and all the stories you tell, that's going to happen through this lens and that'll keep me entertained the whole way. Oh, thanks, bro. Yeah, that'd be cool to

be up there and then I will bring dunk and trussle. Do you know him? No. He's an amazing comedian.

So I would bring him and he has a great mind that loves to think about like unique stuff. Okay, weird stuff. Yeah, you need and then you need to, I'm, I'm mind like that that things things outside of any other parameters. He is a poet of sorts as well. And then Loki, I bring a couple, space candy, they are made. Okay, and you know, that's between us, but well, something you need to know. Yeah, I'm duty bound to alert you of this. I bring a

“couple of ladies. That's what I'm saying. I get that. Okay. I think what you think of as drugs. I totally”

understood. Okay. And what's leased me to say, I'll bring a little bit of drugs. That, in space, you might not need them because you was high as fuck, in space. You're lying. No, no, I'm just saying you're in space. Oh, usually you've done earth. You say I want to escape my moment here and float somewhere else. You are literally floating in space and you want to say I need drugs to now transcend that. That's a waste of drugs. Lead the drugs for people still on earth. A, b,

if you bring in some arm candy, I just, I'm duty bound as a physicist to tell you that sex in space is very different to execute. I'm in a picture. No, I'm just, I'm just saying, most things you do in, on earth, yeah, while having sex, would, you would Korean and bounce off the back walls of the spaceship if you're in zero G. Would even like, would it about even oral sex is that possible in space? Um, yeah. Okay. But I'm safe, but you're floating. And so, you know,

on earth, you're in the same place at the same time. In space, you have to be strapped down as my point. So you have to bring kind of straps with you. You have to bring something. Oh, I have to bring straps. Yeah, I would have done that anyway. You got to bring, I'm just saying like, yeah, you have to strap because on earth, you're assuming the person is there

convening off the wall. So you see, say if you were to engaging in some type of sexual activity,

and you, and one person was to kind of like pressure their body or thrust their body against someone else's body. Yeah, they're going to bounce off and hit the wall. Right. It's just,

“you have to rethink all the moves and all the motion and all the positions. That's what I'm saying.”

If you're going to, if you're going to bring the candy, there it is. I'm bringing you a piece. But it's good. Dude, yeah, thanks for thinking about this with me, man. It's just physics at that level. Yeah, but also it takes you, you know, it makes you, I'll just tell you this immediately right now. We just had a lot of people who aren't going to want to be astronauts. Well, so if you get like stuck, if you're sick to the stomach, you know,

okay, you ever either been in a roller coaster or driving on a country road and there's like a

short hill and you come down off it. You feel, yeah, you feel a little thing in there. Well, that's because you're sort of weightless going over the hill because you go up and then falls right back down and your organs are not accustomed to that. So that happens a lot there in space. It's the entire feeling. Now, yes. And you have to just get used to that. And until you get used to that, you are throwing up. And so the last thing you want to do is vomit in zero G. It's bad enough when you

see the splatter pattern on the outside of bars and you know, yeah, bad enough. You say, you know, who, oh, yeah, that little bushlight roars are. Yeah, it's a roarshack. Yeah, the vomit roarshack. Yeah, outside of bars. So in space, there's no roarshack because it doesn't fall down. It just goes

everywhere and it gets in your hair and in the vents and everything, unless you, unless you got a

“bag, the barf into, and you have to make sure that it has forward velocity. So that gets into”

the bag, you can't just come up into your mouth because then it wouldn't know where else to go. So it could hypothetically be pumped, but like your stomach. Oh, yeah, you're, you're, you're your stomach pumps can't convuls it enough to get it to your mouth. Yeah, you would have to spit it out. It could reverse peristances. So they call it. We're all your, your digestive organs. It says, I got to get this out of here. And by the way, think about it, when you're throwing up, it's

going against gravity to begin with. It was in your stomach. And now it's here. So you were already working against gravity. So in zero G, you would have no trouble doing that. I'm just saying, you want it to have some projectile velocity to get into the bag. Oh, for sure. Otherwise, it just kind of hang out all on your face. Just things to think about, because, because you're thinking about going in space, dude. Well, you've taken, you make it make it back. That's what I said.

“I would take you. That's why you think I'm not going to think about it when you walk in the room.”

What are you? Let me know. We assert. The comedians I love, but they come more from my life experience. And it's fun if they say something that I might have thought of. But I'm going to tell you you have a completely different life experience than I ever had or dreamt of. And I value that. Oh, thank you, Neil. Well, I appreciate it. Same about you, dude. I feel lucky to be able to talk with you today. No, well, you're in my town. I can't let you come through town without

me finding you. And that's the truth. I appreciate it, man. I really do. Yeah, this is fun, dude. I'll say that you make communicating fun. Oh, well, thank you. Yeah, you know, I thought about it. There's a professor at the front of a class. And they're like writing on the chalkboard or whatever the board is made of these days. They're expecting you to meet them at the chalkboard. They don't care how you learn. They just put it out there. So they're being a professor, but they're not being

an educator. Okay. They're not being a communicator. An educator communicator turns around, looks at their audience. And wonders, how is your brain wired for thought for learning? And I'm going to shape my information to reach in there so I can access everybody in the room. And I'm going to meet you 90% of the way to where you are. And that's more effort. Otherwise, you're just putting stuff up and leaving. Oh, yeah. It's more effort. So thank you for

noticing that. Yeah, I see the shapes you make in the area. I see it. I love it. I love it, man. I read actually in your book, it's I said I read some of the you can't even smell in space. Is that true? Yeah. So space. Tell me a little bit more about space. Yeah. Yes, space. There's no, you know, the molecules are very sparse. Okay. It's the world's best vacuum. Okay. And so when you smell, you are inhaling molecules that connect to your olfactory glands. And they connect in ways

that give you a taste. Give you a smell. I mean, they're all related. So if I smell something, it's actually a molecule that lands inside. Yes. And that sets off this sense. We taste something. It's a molecule that attaches to your taste, but same phenomenon. Got it? Here's something interesting. Some molecules twist this way. Mm-hmm. And other molecules twist the other way.

of them, boy. So the molecule that gives you the flavor of mint twists. It's exactly the same

molecule except in space it twists the opposite way from the molecule that gives you the flavor of caraway. What is caraway? Caraway, that's the seed that's in rye bread. Okay. So caraway and mint. If you write down the chemical equation, it's identical. But if you build them, they turn an opposite direction. And so that tells you that it's not just the chemical, it's how it's configured so it attaches to your taste buds. And in one way you taste mint, the other way you taste this

caraway seed thing. Yeah. I think it's caraway. So it's just because of the way that it moves. It's the way that it attaches the configuration of the molecule to the configuration of your

taste buds. Wow. If it can lock in, then you'll taste it. Otherwise it goes right on by.

Do you remember you're old enough to remember? There's this this thing that lays potato chip. Do they invented? It's called O'Lestra. Oh, I remember. Remember O'Lestra.

“Remember that. Do you remember O'Lestra? Let's see what he chips. Yeah. Exactly. So they”

avoid each chip. It's oil and they fry the chips in this oil. But that oil, man. We don't have we don't have enzymes to digest that molecule. Man, nail, man. And so it has an handle it. The flavor of the oil, but you can't digest it. So it does not get pulled into your body. It moves through your intestines. Man, people with Doodoo and everyone. So on the bag of chips, it said one don't eat too much. It may cause anal leakage. Yep. First time ever, those words,

we're on a bag of potato chips. And the FDA approved it. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's always anal leakage.

What? So the point it. My point is that is something that did not configure to our ability to digest it. We didn't have the enzymes. So it just went right on through. I just want to see a Lestra may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools. A Lestra inhibits the absorption of some vitamins and other nutrients. Abdominal cramping? Yeah. Yeah. You may remember them as wild chips. Fried Ole. They used them in there. Lays used a Lestra inversions

of lays, ruffles, Doritos, and Tostitos. Pringles also had light fat free version using the ingredient, a serving of wild chips as marketed as having about half the calorie of standard chips and

“no fat. But it didn't have fat because I think it just ran right through your body. So it didn't even.”

Well, but it's fat that you could not digest. Right. So it normally, what happens if you eat fat and you eat it, it becomes fat. You're fat. Right. Or it's source of energy for you. We could not interact with it chemically. Oh yeah. So we are a sack of chemicals that either do or do not interact with what we put in in our mouths or what we smell or what we taste. So I'm just saying there people say I don't like food that has chemicals in it. Everything is chemical. You are chemicals.

Have you ever seen like the list of medicines at a pharmacy? There's a book called the PDR but physicians desperate. Is this thick? Okay. It's four inches thick. It's filled with all the medicines that exist that we take. Yeah. Why did they work at all? Because we are sacks of chemistry and so are these medicines. There it is. Got it. And we didn't start living longer until we figured that out. Do you know? Well, but we don't know that. That's not what I'm going to tell you. I'm

going to tell you. We don't know if that's true. We don't know if that's true. We don't know if that's true. That was fun doing that. I don't know. That was good. We can get to that man. We don't know that because there's there's stories in the Bible where they say people live the thousand years. No. I'm not a thousand. The oldest was who is it? You live nine hundred and sixty nine years. Well, come on, man. Yeah. Yeah. Methuselah. We live nine hundred

and sixty nine years. Methuselah. Yeah. Yeah. So, he was trying to meet somebody. Yeah. Yeah. So,

“I think no one was I think 700 something. Yeah. Everybody back then. Yeah. Look at those ages.”

So, they were living. No. Nine hundred and fifty. Yeah. So they were. But also they only had a few people so they had to stay alive. Was that how they were? Yes. Right. So, I think people started living normal, quote, normal age. Biblical normally just after Noah. Yeah. That's when the ages came back down. Yeah. One pet showed up people are like we can chill, you know. But if you look at like the archeological records, which you're not what's in the Bible, half of everyone born

everyone born in the world was dead before they were 35. That's 10, 20,000 years. And you know,

everyone over that time drank clear water, breathe pure air. They ate organic. Right. Because sometimes we romanticize the idea. They romanticize. I do not want to go back to that time. It puts out to be someone's slave anyway. Right. So, no. I don't want to go back to that time. Not in my place you wouldn't. Oh, thank you, sir. Love you. So, so. Now you'd have to do some out. We all understand. We all got to help out. You know what I'm saying? You'll have to do the

dishes once in a while. But we all will have our day to do it. Anyway, I shouldn't say anything. I'm just saying I got you. You're going time. I got you. Thank you. Thank you. So, so what happened in 1850 and like 1950? And that's the truth. So, there was 30, maybe 34, you said,

“until like 1850. Well, for 30,000 years. That's how long? The middle of the 19th century.”

That's how long people live. We increased the life expectancy by five years. Okay. Half of everyone born in 1840 was dead before they were 35. A lot of that was infant deaths as well. We just gotten way better at that. But also, there are three things. Vaccines, antibiotics, and sanitation. Those three things double our life expectancy within decades. And now we're damn near triple that when you have other medicines and anti-cancer treatments and this sort of thing.

It's not odd to have someone live to be 90, something. Yeah. That's not even weird. But now we're also, I think it seems like we've got in no place where some of these things have become compromised or got like greed has become such a big thing. Corporate involvement has been

becomes. Well, it's always been. But, right. But I think it's big. It seems like a cross between

over your health. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. That can, and whatever that is, it's not as big an impact as the positive impact realizing that we are sex of chemistry. Yeah. And we can interact with us chemically to get rid of ailments, to cure disease. Oh, for sure. You know. So, I'm just saying,

“I'm giving a shout out to modern medicine and science. Yeah. Because that's what people take”

science for granted because it's kind of hidden. You know? Well, I think more, more recently, what has given it a bad rap probably are during COVID and we're not to go in any of this. But I'm just saying some of the things that if I think have given it a bad rap even more specifically, probably during COVID, I think to me anyway, the, like the, whenever they had the opioid epidemic

and those people didn't get held labelled, that was like a big thing. Not about science,

you general, but just about, uh, there was a medicine that a medical company made. I mean, right. Right. A pharmaceutical company. That stuff. And then like, now there's a lot of, like, skepticism because there's a lot of ownership by like the news and media. There's a lot of entanglements. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a problem. And I think life expectancy's have stalled a little bit and the opioid epidemic actually impacted that. So did COVID, by the way,

our life expectancy stall during COVID. Uh, but I'm saying overall, you live in a life with science and without science. Right. I'm picking science. Yeah. Okay. And we got to, you know, make sure it's working for us. Yeah. And not again. I think that's where we are in the space. Now, hopefully is that there's going to be some purification of a lot of processes that may be it probably gotten compromised in different places. And some that haven't and have been accused of

me in compromise. Yeah. All I'm saying is people say, I'm just saying, saying this, you realize, we can, we, we landed a rover an SUV size rover on Mars that carried a helicopter with it that flew around the surface of the Earth. But they lost it. No, it died. The helicopter died. But that rover that thing in this. Oh, is it? I'm checking that. I think it is. Is it ever? Did they ever get that rover back? You can't lose that. I'm not calling you out on it, Neil. I'm just saying.

You call me out? I don't know. It's full knowledge of everything in the whole universe. Got it there. I'm saying. I'm saying. I'm saying. Yeah. So, and most people can't get their kid to pick up their choice in the living room and science is putting one on two Mars. No, NASA, Maine, brother, have not gone missing. Curiosity and perseverance. Um, rather, may not pray. Yeah, those are the numbers of their names. Yes. Okay. They get name by by middle schools.

Well, I'm just going to say they were named by urban middle schools, I think. Curiosity and perseverance remain operating on Mars. Older rover such as spears. Well, it's worse too big for you. What are you saying? That those names have more ambience to them. Oh, it's a

“more abstract. Yes, and like Matthew and Susan. Gotcha. That's what I am. Gotcha. And that is”

the truth. Curiosity and perseverance remain operating on Mars. Older rover such as spearing opportunity ended after NASA lost contact with. Yeah, because everybody's died. That's fine.

it is rocket science. As a matter of fact, yeah, you got to work hard to get the right answers.

Science is done. And, you know, last year this year and next year there's a total solar eclipse.

“I can tell you the exact second it will begin and where you need to stand to see it. This is an”

event in the future of the moon moving through space coming between Earth and the Sun. We know what's going on. If I didn't tell you how we figure this out, the scientists would be the gods of this Earth. If you don't behave or get rid of the sun tomorrow at 1235. Yeah. And you know, and that's Sun starts to disappear. You'll be growling at my feet. Try to get the sun back. And I'll say, yeah, okay, I'll bring it back just this one time. And it comes back. I bet there was a lot of

perverted actually there. But we tell you how we know this. We write books. You can learn to do that too. The Ole Miss and Sun trick. I bet a lot of ladies and some dude fell for that. They fell for that, but you're right. You know, if you needed another reason to think Columbus was a dick.

“Mm-hmm. Okay. On his third voyage or might it might have been fourth.”

How many voyages did he get? Huh? He got more than one. Oh, yeah. Multiple voyages. Oh, I thought he didn't

come back multiple times. No. Oh, I thought he did it on the first try. No, no, no. On the third or fourth,

there's an Asian Jamaica or Hispanic Yola. One of the larger Caribbean islands. And he's ready to go back to Spain. And oh, he's got four voyages. Good. So between 1492 and 1504, he made four voyages across the island. Yeah, there you go. So on his fourth voyage, it was. He was headed back to Spain. And he didn't have enough food for his crew. Mm-hmm. And so he went to the locals. I need can you spam me some food for this trip back? He says, no, we only grow exactly what we need

for to get through the winters. Mm-hmm. We can't do this. You know, he did. He went, looked up his tables, science tables and said, if you do not give my crew food, my Christian God, because they're all he thins, right? Because they're running around. They're not Christian. My Christian God will make the moon disappear six days hence if you do not obey. Wow. And some were rightly skeptical, but others were kind of spooked. And six days come, the moon starts disappearing. Because he knew

there was a total lunar eclipse happening. And they just brought it on the food. They. And I don't we didn't check back to see if they survived the winter, but they definitely. Yeah, if you needed another reason to think Columbus was a dick, that there goes one. But if you're using the laws of physics, known to the Europeans, with the digger was he a scientist, you know? I'm saying, he used trickery. He used knowledge of the rhythms of the heavens as trickery. Yes. And I'm saying, so that's the case.

If scientists did that today, we would rule the world. But no, we let politicians rule the world for reasons that remain mysterious to scientists. But we tell you how it's all done. Mysterious to everybody, I think. Oh, yeah, okay, there you go. It's a mysterious place that we're in.

“You know, that's why I'm here today. I'm telling you the comedians make it bearable.”

Thank you for existing in this world. Well, that's nice of you to say Neil. I think you guys carry the soul of a society, of civilization. Because you, you have to be smart enough to know what's there to make fun of, make fun of it and hand it back to the people who, who would otherwise get angry, because you're making fun of them, but I say, hey, that's kind of, oh, you, you shed some light on something that I didn't even know I was doing. Well, I was thinking, or I was saying. And so, yes,

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“bed room. Yeah, do you know what I was just thinking the other day was? I wish they made pants right”

and they they should have these that you can they have a built in like a liner in between. Oh, two just pee down the leg that you can pee into the pants. Yeah, they kind of have that and the pants hold spacesuits can do that. Yeah, really? If not diapers, they used to have these these well, this is a portable urine. Stadium power. There it is. That's a portable urinal though. I'm talking about pants where it just fills up in the legs and then you want to fill it up like dump

this stuff dude. I don't want to be called dumping it or whatever and what if you get caught by the city or whatever. I want to just fill it up and then drop it like yeah, put it at home or put your leg over the toilet. This is for people who are drinking beer at a ball game and a two freaking lazy to get off their ass and go to the bathroom. Yeah, they have yeah, this is yeah, this is you're looking at it. And yeah, this is just some dude who's taped a bunch of plastic to his leg

and he's literally, we painted it in this commercial in that hat, this pee going in it. Yeah, that no, that's that ain't right. Yeah, of course it's not. Show speed discrete of course speed discrete and look at the guy. You know that. No, I don't mind getting up moving my muscles every, you know, have a cup of hours. If I have pee in my body, I want it to get out. You said you were bedwetter. It's a kid. Oh, yeah, I was. Yeah, wet. I was just going away as it still has

it's still not. I'm non-practicing. Non-practicing bedroom. But yeah, but I'm not currently active.

So, so I was not a bedwetter, but it's not like I never did with the bed and the times that I

did with the bed, I can count them. I was dreaming that I was in the bathroom and peeing. Oh, wow. Yes, sometimes that would happen to me. Yeah, but other times I would just pee all over.

“Wait, in your dream, you're just peeing everywhere you are. Oh, dude, I would remember. Yeah, a lot”

of them, but because I would have dreams and for some reason I was sometimes I was like, uh, like, uh, it wasn't like a detective or whatever, but it was like somebody who like had to have information or something and people would ask me the information. And my answer was always just to pee all over in the dream. Like it would be like, yes, it was response. Yes, it was response. Wow. So then I would pee in real life. Look up what what type of child is there like a, is there a, um,

like a demographic or a gender like what type of kids wet the bed like the most or for the longest I wonder. I don't know if they've got that figured out, but they later found some medicine that I heard. Oh, I took it. Oh, you did, okay. Oh, dude, I'll tell you about something else that they got.

What? So I'd to finally got a pill and you get a pill and you don't want the bed,

but you got to take the pill and sometimes you forget or whatever and you just wet the bed. But the other thing that can happen is my mother that pill, somebody invented that pill. Okay. I mean, before that, there was no pill. Oh, and then, and then there's a pill. So I'm just saying that's a, oh, here's the statistics. Yeah. So the, the bed wedding drops, you know, as you get into your teens, yeah, that it's hard to. Yeah, at age five, it's 15 to 20% of

and adulthood about 2% in some estimates. Yeah. Scroll back up a little bit, bed wedding clinically called nocturnal in, in your resources after age five is about two to three times more common in boys and girls. And one U.S. sample of eight to 11 year olds had affected 6.21% of boys versus 2.15% more than twice. Oh, race itself is not a useful standalone explanation for why an individual child bedwets or will wet the longest. Yeah. So it's, I mean, I'm just saying we're saccharchemicals,

we give you a pill that goes away. Well, listen, what happened? So my mother for my birthday one time saved up a little bit of money and she got me these electric abuser underwear, right? And it was an underwear that had a buzzer in the front and when the P hits it, when the P hits it, it makes her like a G. So it wakes you up, wakes you up, right? But dude, I ended up, so I would go over my ramping and it's right. I go stay there when I was really, when I was really like probably four or five

and they let me drink as much apple juice as I could, right? And you, and I would piss big on apple juice,

right? If I was drinking apple juice, I knew I was wet in the bed. And the second hit my lips,

I couldn't stop drinking it. So I would drink like one of the big ones at night. Dude, and the my groomers didn't know I had these underwear. And so in the middle of the night, I'm laying their buzz and I'm dead asleep. My grandfather has no idea what's going on dude. I wake up. He's on a chair. He thought, I was getting electrocuted. He's on a chair with a broomstick pushing it

“against my body like that trying to get me to be a way scared crying. Yeah. With a broomstick?”

Yeah. Because I guess he thought wood wouldn't travel on energy. Well, he thought the devil was in. He was trying to exercise. He might have been trying to touch me with a stick. So maybe the person who would serve her, maybe the person who invented the pill, was given that gift as a grandma. I said, I'm not doing this. And it changed it. And then science helped him figure it out. Yeah. Yeah. What about this dude? Can you ejaculate in space?

Would that be the same as vomiting? Kind of like is it the same? Can you ejaculate it? Yeah. I mean, the muscles do that all by themselves. So the way to test it. Yeah. Here's how to test it. Is because when they first send astronauts in space, they there's the question, can you swallow in space? Yeah. What will will, will flam just gather in

your throat. But they're all these questions. And it never been tested. But you could sort of test it.

“Yeah. You can say, okay, on earth, can you ejaculate standing up?”

Clearly. Yes. Okay. Can you ejaculate horizontally? Clearly. Can you ejaculate upside down? No, that's harder to test. But there's no reason why you think that wouldn't happen. Well, if you can ejaculate vertical to gravity, horizontal to gravity, and opposite gravity, then no gravity should be no problem for that action. And sure enough, yeah, you can ejaculate space, a women ovulate in space. All the normal things,

because the body doesn't know if your horizontal or vertical is going to be able to do it all by itself. Vane sending blood. You know, why doesn't blood collect in your down here? Because you have veins and arteries that help move the blood through your system, get it back to the heart. So blood would just gather all in your feet. You know, correct without that.

Because the gravity. Here's what happens. Yes. Here's what happens in space.

Your brain doesn't know how to get rid of the blood as efficiently as other parts of your body. So people, their heads can swell up a bit. Really? In zero G. Yeah. I think there's pressure on the eyeballs. So it's not a, it's not a picnic. How do they relieve that in there? I don't know all the ways that they, they figured this out. So, you know, the solution? Rotate the space station. Like any sci-fi movie you've ever seen, it will take an increase in artificial gravity. And they

know how to worry about it. You know, with your life. So NASA still hasn't gone there. Even though all science fiction has, I'm very disappointed. That's fascinating, man. By the way, in Lawson space,

“their chapters on every one of these subjects. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, there's”

this space exploration, but, you know, like half of this stuff we've been talking about or things out of there. Yeah, that's right. That's right. It's all a bunch of like, it's so many different facts and things that are kind of conversation starters, man. I read one thing I read in there was that that you, you'll be younger in space. Or that space makes you younger? It doesn't make you younger. Well, okay, it depends on how fast you're moving. Okay. If you move really fast,

you don't reverse so much as everything ticks lower your heart, break your watch. Everything is

normal to you. And you look to Earth and everybody's kind of moving faster. It's a relativity problem. It's not, so it's a fascinating fact. And sweetie, it's funny to me a little bit better. Well, it's not, it's, it's just is. I mean, but like if you come back, well, you have aged as much. That's the famous twin paradox, right? So you send off of your twin and they go and travel with the speed of light or how they did that with it. Mark and Scott Kelly other twins, right? Yeah.

The twin astronauts and they sent their identical twins and they sent one into the space station for like a year or so. And then the other one stayed here on Earth. Yeah. And when they came back, then they tested their DNA. They looked at their health. They think I've got good pictures of them.

“What they learned? I think I had Scott Kelly on my podcast. And I said, so which twin are you?”

He said, oh, I'm the good looking one. I don't know if it's a fun reply. He's probably been asked that a hundred times. Oh, yawning believe in twins, but I believe that they that people love. So I have no idea what you meant by that. That you don't believe in twins. It just makes me very nervous. Okay. And I don't, I don't, I don't hold any edge against people that are twins. I love them. But, but it makes me very scapegoat. You creeped out. No, skeptical of

the reality of it. Okay. And maybe the science. So here's what I said. The good thing about science

is, yeah. It's true whether or not you believe in it. Right. Right. So whether or not you believe it has no effect. Oh, let them cook. But I'm just saying if they show up like that, you're a little creeped out. No. I'm just, you don't believe this can happen. I want to see the paper work.

“That's what I'm saying. I want to see the Venn numbers. You want to see the car fat.”

That's show me the car. That's what I want to see Neil. By the way, by the way, by the way, okay. Twins have different fingerprints. There's their Venn. That's better. I refuse to save Venn number because the n-in Venn stands for number. So I refuse to say that. Okay. Okay.

It's like he was saying, where's the nearest ATM machine? The M and ATM stands for machine.

I respect that. Okay. So, so the Venn is, is the fingerprint. Got it. There you go. It's two different, two different fingerprints. Oh. Do they have the same DNA? Identical DNA. What? So one of them could do a murder and you could think it's either one. Depending on the, yes, yes, you wouldn't know. Yes, it could be the twin who did it. But you know, it's crazy or than that. There's some people who are, what's the word? There's some people that can see at night. No.

That'd be good if you could. There's some people where the zygote, some in there, in their fertilization, merged two different DNAs into one life more. I think it's star, I don't, don't quote me on this. And I think it has to do with two that might have been fraternal twins, but the yolks merged. So when you come out as an adult, if I take a DNA sample of your arm, I'll get a different DNA, if I get a DNA sample from some other part of your body. And they're called

chimeris. Let me see that. A chimeris is a single organism object or concept made up of completely different parts, genotypes or origins. A single organism whose body contains cells from two or more distinct zygotes. Yes. It can happen when two fertilized eggs fuse together early in the womb or through cell exchange. But it's two separately fertilized eggs. So they would be, it's not a twin, it's not an identical twin. So, but it can show up in the same body. So,

it means if I do commit a crime and I leave DNA on the scene and then they get DNA off my cheek or something. And it's not the DNA that I left, they wouldn't implicate me. Yes, pretty

“wild. That is wild. It'd be a good murder mystery if you want to just throw in some chimeris. They're”

very rare. People. Just throw a couple in. Well, what we've been talking about, people going to space, right, in space travel and what's going on. And it's kind of become this privatized thing now. It seems like in a way. It's like, you know, Elon's trying to get there. Bezos is running it. What are your fears about like space? And like you think it's going to get gentrified? Like, I know it in your book, you talk about how much stuff is getting left in space. Like,

what are your fears about like the privatization of space? Yeah, so the space debris is a whole separate issue. There's not only all the satellites, as I said earlier, Elon is now rising through his 12,000

satellites orbiting the Earth. We're launched by SpaceX. Okay. So, aliens coming to Earth,

and they see not only how many satellites are orbiting it, but the level of debris that's left over

“from destroyed satellites and pink chips and rocket boosters and things. I think that's why we”

have him admitted by aliens. Then what the hell are you doing down there? And they just move on because it's a trash heap. And it doesn't become a trash heap until it's every trip you take, you encounter trash. You know, you go in the wilderness, you toss a candy, candy wrapper over. No one's ever going to see that again. Not going to come arrest you. But if a thousand people do that and the candy wrapper is everywhere, you've destroyed the wilderness. Oh, yeah. So space is kind of approaching

that. Really? But do check this out. So, this is a video of debris orbiting the Earth.

And this is real. Yes. And NASA tracks this. This is just when NASA tracks the the military tracks even more. Earth is in the center of that. And the low Earth orbiting debris looks is what's directly on the surface. The rest of that aren't like I said satellite. This is the debris, not even the satellites we care about. How are we going to fix it? Look at this. Uh-huh. Well, how can planes even be out there? What is this? Because that's orbiting in space.

Plains are much, much lower than that. What, dude, how do you know it? How do I know what? This is real? Yes. It's as real as twins. This is this. This is the debris that we are actively tracking. Okay. Raw. Look, if you and some of y'all cannot see this at home, it is. Some of your people just listen to the podcast about how we're looking at a NASA video of all of the

“this looks like a snow globe inside of snow globe. I love that. You have to go look at this.”

But do we know that this is factual Neil? How do they get this information? We're tracking it. You can track the debris. Oh, yeah. In fact, sometimes launch windows are affected by whether there's a honka debris that might collide with the thing you're trying to launch. Well, at this rate, how could they launch anything with this much debris going on? It's dangerous. And you're taking a risk. Space is very empty. You're looking at this

compressed onto a screen. Got it. So usually you don't hit any of it. But if this gets worse, which it will, there's something called a Kessler effect. Let me hear go, who? The Kessler effect. It's where there's so many satellites. These are going 18,000 miles an hour, multiple times the speed of a rifle bullet. Okay. Okay. And if you're hit by one of those bits and pieces, they're small. It'll destroy your,

you can, you break into pieces. If you're another satellite. So one piece can break a satellite into let's say 10 pieces. So they're hitting each other all the time. Well, not yet. At the Kessler effect is there's a threshold above which if a single satellite gets destroyed, there are enough other satellites ready to be destroyed by its debris that it systematically destroys 100% of the satellites in orbit. That's called the Kessler effect. And you don't want to ever get near that, really?

Yes. And in fact, the movie, the movie, on again, no, gravity was basically the Kessler effect.

“Do you remember that? We did debris just start to take in everything else.”

It says number of rocket launches since the start of the space age in 1957 about 7,320. 7,320. Number of satellites, these rocket launches have placed into Earth orbit 27,499. Wow. Number of these still in space 18,800. Of those 18,000, about 12 to 14,000 are space X. Wow. And about 2500 of those are 2800 of those are not even functioning anymore, but they are still out. Now here's the next space objects regularly tracked

and maintained in their catalog. 46,000. Okay. Wow. And then this is wild total mass of all space objects in Earth's orbit 17,000 tons. Oh, yes. I'm not going out there. I'm not going out there. Stay here on Earth. Oh yeah. Let's see, it gets weird, man. Isn't it already weird? What is your threshold for weird if it hasn't gotten weird enough for you yet? We're there. Thank you. We were, I think we're even past there.

Yeah, do you start to think about that? What do you think is going on? What do you think that these

is it just him showing like having a blast? Because he has unlimited ideas. Like, it's like a kid who can-- I just got the money, right? You can do it every once. Like, or do you think we will need

“colonization? Like, do you think there's something coming that they're not letting the rest of us know about?”

I'm not authorized to come in. If you make it in and I don't do, I said I'm taking you with me.

Didn't I already say that? My boy. You're my first call. Okay. I'm coming.

Thank you. Thank you, bro. And I'm going to hold you to that. Yeah, no. I will be there. Dang it on the window. I got you on tape. I didn't have that space treaty. What was-- Well, there's the original outer space treaty from 1967. Yeah, what was that about? And that was peaceful cooperation in space amongst different countries of all the space. Because it came on 1967. We're about to land on the moon. We're trying to beat Russia. And it says, "We're all going

into space." And that's the next frontier we should do it together peacefully. Now here's my rebuttal to that. Okay. Okay. If you can go into space with all these countries and be peaceful and

kind to one another, then don't go ahead and do that on earth. What do you mean? You can't do that

on earth. But a treaty is going to make us do that in space. I know. Show me that you can do it on earth. Then I'll have evidence that this won't work in space. Because I don't believe you. I don't believe you for a minute. Space don't want us to. This how we're acting. Well, plus it's very hostile to human physiology. Space is. Space. Yeah. Yeah. There are hundreds of ways you can die. People

“say, "Oh, go into Mars. That's like Columbus going to the New World." No, it's not. You know what?”

Because when Columbus came to the New World, the trees where he landed are made of wood, just like the trees in Spain, where he built a ship. So he can repair his ship. Oh, what else?

He steps off the ship. He can breathe the air. He steps off the ship. There are other human beings

there to greet him and to feed him. Yeah. On Mars, there's no such luxuries. You crash on Mars, you die head. Dang. You bring something breaks on your ship, you die head. Unless you have a like a 3D printer. Okay. I want you to get his print you up a little something. Yeah, print up a knock or a bolt or something, you know. That's a good idea to bring. I don't know. From now on, when people say, "What are you bringing to an hour?" I got it. So what you do is you preload the Martian surface with these things

you might need. Understood. The outer space treaty, these are the rules. This is hilarious. No weapons of mass destruction or allowed in space, right? No ownership. Yeah. No ownership. No nation can claim sovereignty or ownership of outer space, the moon or other planets. Peaceful use. Celestial bodies must be used only for peaceful goals, military base as and weapons are banned there. His base is open for exploration and used by every country equally. Right. So there's a later version

of this called the Artemis Accords, where in the Artemis Accords we wrote it. It's the same as this. Okay. It's the same, but it allows you to maybe make a business case for mining an asteroid. No. Okay. The Artemis Accords? Yeah. Artemis Accords. A non-binding set of principles established by NASA and the U.S. Department of State in 2020 to guide civil space exploration and cooperation on the moon, Mars, and other celestial bodies. There's some leaves open business cases. Okay.

“Now, here's the thing. Something hundreds of some odd countries have signed it. You know,”

hasn't signed it? Russia, China, North Korea, and Venezuela. Wow. So that's the treaty in progress right now. India is not space-free. They have a rover on the moon. Oh, they do. Well, let me put them. I bet it's picking up other people and driving them somewhere. No, I'm just joking. Is that crazy, baby? I'm just joking, India. Can you still tell jokes like that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can. Okay. And I'm just joking. But aside of the tracks, you can tell those jokes.

And my Indian friends will love that joke. Okay. That's that. Because I love them. Yeah, okay. So here's something that that's wild. Yeah. He was such a dick move that I only thought Americans would have done. But the Indians did it. And I was just so sad. Okay. Because you know, Indian Pakistan have got this thing right there. You don't get along. They don't get along. They're right there. They don't get along. Okay. He buddies. Okay. Watch.

India on their rover on the rover tracks. They imprinted their flag with the Indian space research organizations. Israel. They have a little logo. Their flag and that logo is on the

gets repeated there. And it'll stay there for thousands years because there's no weather and

there's no wind. Nothing's going to erode it. Now here's the dick move. You ready? Mm-hmm. Someone on social media. I can't blame the whole country for this. Some dick on social media. Yeah. Said Pakistan has the moon on its flag because it's got the the moon and the star. This

“lawmakers symbol. Where as India has its flag on the moon. Really, did you need to do that?”

You were already ahead of them in all these ways and you got to like cash-shade really? That's a cheap day. That's a cheap day. I thought it was punching down. Yeah. And also India is clever. The clever joke. Yeah. But it was like, but it's like you are the meditation guys. Like in your say point, you know. Good point. You're the ones that should post a be cool and copesthetic. But these are not attacking other people with missiles. So I think I would take

the first, you know what I'm saying? Okay. I would take that over. But it's still not conducive to peaceful cooperation in space. Well I'll say this. I does. It does break the outer space treaty. Don't be a dick in space. Yeah. I think it's kind of what the treaty said. It does. And what was that second one that allowed the business, the Artemis accord, can you just show me that one more time? Yeah. It's worth it. The way I should say it's worth it in a way

“that does not preclude business interests. Yeah. That's what I wanted to just read.”

So there it goes. And look at all the countries that have signed it.

There it is. That's huge. I have these countries never getting into space. No, but they might.

Would you like to be ambitious, dude? You're right. Give them a dream. You're right. Well, go back to go back to the, if you go back to the table content, registration of space objects, scientific data, space heritage space resources space resources. Space resources. How's that for a code word? Let's go to page four. Utilization that can benefit human kind by providing critical support for safe and sustainable

operations. The extraction and utilization of space resources recovery from moon Mars comments, asteroids should be asking a matter that complies with the treaty safe sustainable activities. The affirm that the extraction of resources do not inherently constitute national appropriation. Say, it's, it's very lucy goosey there. But it, it opens the door because we have a lot of space enterprise ready to space industry ready to just jump on. Do we have that?

Yeah. I mean, is there a lot of things that are like kind of like in the hopper that if we yeah, when we land, when Artemis lands on the moon, it'll be supported by three or four or five different large space industry companies, space industrial complex. And right. Well, we talked about that last time, didn't we? Well, it was it. Oh, yeah, yeah, we talked about generational. Yeah, that, that interesting subject, because if the destination is too far

and it takes longer than your lifetime, then you just, they have what's called generational ships in science fiction. Well, we talked about it last time. We were on. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And you thought maybe it weren't really sure about it. You don't want to be born on a ship that's predestined to go somewhere, because someone three generations before me mandated that. But what if we need you? When we land, we need me. What if we need you? What if you got there for a purpose?

Because somebody's going to be born on a ship in space and have to save us. You think that'll be how that goes? That's a good science fiction story, right? Someone, so they are the chosen one. They are the savior. They're the one. They're Neo and the Matrix. It's got to happen. Oh, don't you think? That's a modern day Jesus. Jesus was the savior.

You know, the story of a hero always repeats itself. Yeah. And it feels like we need one.

A savior. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So all these private companies are participating. And they'll each do what they do best and you bring it all together. And you get the best of private enterprise, which runs efficiently. And they'll bring the costs down. So. But if they have a damn Jenny's ice cream on the moon or whatever, I'm going to fuck. And what's why you got a problem with that? I don't know. In our town where I live at, they took a lot of the mom and pop stuff and they put

in the bigger stuff. It's okay. Oh, do you want? Okay. Well, if it's a frontier, it may be mom and

“pop will be the ones who do it. Yeah. You're right. That's a good point. That's how it's usually”

starts that way. That's true, right? Right. Because it's not a big enough industry yet for the big companies to buy everybody out. That's true. And I joke about this, you know, on the moon, if they have, then when I have a colony on the moon, have restaurant, right? But you have to cook a little differently because the gravity is different and the air is, you know, and yeah,

here's my bad dad joke. Okay. But you have to promise the laugh. Okay. Okay. That's what's a very confident. That was like, really? No, I got you. Okay. I got my back on this one. Okay. So restaurants on the moon would surely have an interesting menu. They just won't have any atmosphere. Yeah. Is that an authentic laugh? I thought it's pretty good. Okay. Yeah. I'll tell that to someone. Okay. Restaurant with no atmosphere. Yeah. I'll tell that to someone. So a lot of

what Elon Musk, you know, people, you know, he's, sometimes he goes off the rails and off the chain.

“But I think he literally goes off the rails sometimes. What he has done through his efforts”

is reduce the cost of access to space and that enables whole industries to jump in and play. How has he done that? Well, so for one, he's reusing his rockets. Okay. He has boosters that go up and there's he leaves a little bit of extra fuel in the booster and then the computers take over and the boosters fall back to earth and they land on pads. Damn, they're going to hit a shrimp boat down there. Well, actually, so depending on the trajectory, they'll either come

away back to Cape Canaveral or they have a landing pad out in the ocean and they'll land on the spot. Oh, they go miss that big. They go miss that big. Yeah, but I'm telling you how many shrimp boats are going to be out there. Suddenly, you know, many new LLCs are going to be formed in Louisiana. People waiting. They want to be hit, but they want, no, I don't know, waiting for that booster to hit them. Waiting for that rocket, bro. So it's, it's gorgeous. It comes down and then the legs come out

in the, it lands. It sticks the landing. Oh, Larry got hit by that rocket, huh? Larry got hit by that rocket. So think about, if, if you flew to Europe and every time you did that, they push the plane off a cliff and roll that a new one, your ticket would be very expensive. Right. But they reuse the planes. And if you reuse the rockets, that's one way to cut it down among others that they're

working on. So we talked about, we mentioned gravity, your second go is gravity changing at all,

like over time at all. Well, if you go to a mountain top, you will weigh less on the mountain that it's sea level. Oh, really? Yeah, because you're farther away from the center of the earth. But if you're just sitting here, gravity's not changing. Okay. No. All right, let's get in as let's let's shed a little bit more. And I do want to say, too. I know the holidays are kind of

“coming up. They're not here yet. But I think your book's a good holiday. Well, thank you for saying”

that. I didn't thought about that. Yeah, just because it's so beautiful. Yeah, it's nice. It's like a nice, it's like something you can get. You could tap in any moment. And then you'd gift it and it's, you know, most coffee table books, you open as a pretty picture. You might read the caption, you close it. This one, you open it and it pulls you in. I think I wrote it so should I be saying that? I don't know. Yeah. But every next fact, because it's been start-talkified,

the fact has been brought to life with another way to think about that information,

then it means more to you. And there's a whole chapter. Unstuffed that people hope they would never

have seen again. There's a whole chapter on the periodic table of elements. So, for example, okay, do you know the symbol for "led" on the periodic table? Do you know what that is? N-A. That's sodium. Damn. White-led, they call it. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. So, let PB be. PB. Well, PB, when you get that, how you get that from "led"? Well, PB is plumbum, which is "led" in Latin, plumbum, plumber, plumbers used to work in all pipes used to be "led".

“That's how plumbers get their name. Plumb, PB on the periodic table. That's there you go.”

I got another one. There's an element we discovered on the sun before we discovered it here on earth. I think it's called, uh, what is it? We-we-we-we named it after the Greek sun god, "Raid on Helios". Is the Greek sun god? And that element is Helium. There it is. Helium to get it. Yeah. "Raid on", that was discovered by Marie Curie.

First radioactive element. She died of cancer. I'm gonna say that. She didn't discover Mercury?

No, Mercury's been around forever. He thinks he woulda. Why? Marie Curie? Maybe not. Just try to laugh at that joke. Maybe not. Maybe I'm off. Okay. Okay, you laughed at my joke. I'll laugh at that one. Okay, that's fair. Okay, that was good.

like little things. And then I want to, I want to get a few more things about your book, and then we'll get you on your way. And thanks so much for hanging out, Neil. Sure. I appreciate it. Um, but I'm saying, I think it's a good holiday gift. And it's a lot of pressure. It's something that you pick it up at the time of pressure. Like, but this is good. And personally, I'm not a big reader. If someone's hands me a, you know, 500 page book. You know,

Wendy started when do you stop, when, and we're really hiding. But this is not that it's, it's biscuits of information that just, just rise up. And then you can't not reach for it. It's galactic biscuits, man. Starbohydrates. Okay, that's bad. That's good. Well, not good. Okay, well, we just, Starbohydrates. Yeah. Good. Good. Thanks. Thanks. Um,

what are you going to be for Halloween? Let's get into that. I was never a Halloween person. Come on.

“No, you know why, once I learned, why people dress up, I said, that's why I don't dress up.”

Why do you think it's sacrilegious, can I? No, no, no, no, people dress up because it's the one day where they can be something in their fantasies. Okay. And I never had fantasies. I never had, I was a very literal kid. I just a reality baby. Yeah, I was completely reality base. And so to dress up like something and it pretend to be that, I would just myself. I didn't need to pretend. So I was, I was a literal kid. And I was much later before I would really appreciate

what it was, what it is to be fully human, which is, you have feelings, emotions, you cry,

you, that came later in life, later in life, later in life. Wow. In my life, I have never,

we used to have telephones with handsets. I've never slammed down the handset. That's an emotion that I've never, I've never slammed a door out of anger. I just never had that, which is weird because I used to wrestle. I spent eight, I was captain of my high school wrestling team. So but it was, if someone beat me, it was like, good. Now I know I need to get better. It wasn't, I'm angry, let me remember. No, I'd never had emotions like that. So, I'm enchanted by Halloween,

“but I'd never had the urge to dress up. Now you can say, if I did dress up, what would it be?”

I'll tell you. That's fair. I'll tell you. I would be nerd, save your man. Okay. I don't have, I don't have a word for it because in high school, because like I said, he's the wrestle. The 190 pounds in high school, captain and undefeated, but I went to a geeky high school. So everybody's a geek and there's a high school across the way that would take our lunch money

every time. Okay. And I wanted to fight against that. So I had this fantasy that first I could fly

and that if there was a geek in trouble, they beam, like, digits of pie on the sky. And the more digits of pie, the more serious the situation was. And I see it in sky and I fly and it come down. And, you know, the kid would be wedgie or something on the book or, you know, something that cool kids did to geeky kids. Yeah. And I would just pummel the shit out of him. Yeah. And I'd say, and I'd say, go forth in freedom. But I'm a geek too. So I'm a geek protector.

But you have balls of geek. Yes. I could, I was a kick-ass geek protector. Yeah. And to this day, if I see geeks, getting, you know, abused in the street or because they're not as cool, they're not dressed as I, I will intervene. And because I know, I can kick some ass if I have to. Plus I used to study martial arts. More as a curiosity thing, but I wanted to be bruously, you know, not for Halloween, but you didn't mean good. Yeah. So, um, the moral to that for me is just,

I don't like seeing people harmed or abuse just for being who they are. Amen. Yeah. I agree with you though. Right. Right on that. Yeah. It's not good. Yeah. It's just, well, I mean, it's not good. Of course it's not. But yeah. I agree with you that. Yeah. There's something about like, they didn't do anything to you. They didn't, and they're already the underdog. Right. Right. Right. Right. Now, you know, a lot of that changed in my life. I don't know how I'm a little older.

A lot of it changed in our life. Yeah. Yes. It has because the, the bullies learned that the geeks know how to program their computer. Yeah. I can help them with the math homework. And now the world is run by geeks. Run by geeks. Yes. Yeah. I'm trying to just, I'm, in other words,

“the most powerful people in the world are geeks on the spectrum. Half of them. Yeah. I think”

half and run the spectrum. Yes. Do you believe that? I want out of six. I, I'm not clinically authorized to make this diagnosis, but based on being around my colleagues my whole life,

I contact as a little difficult. But do you think that that's why we started like we create more stuff that like is tech, but there's not a, that, that we're losing the connection because so interesting point, because they, they're very focused and they can. Right. But they sometimes lack an element of being able to read certain like that's deep. And I, I'd have to do the research

“to conclude that, but let me restate what I think you just said. Okay. If geeks on the spectrum”

are inventing the next wave technology, should we be surprised that that next wave technology has no understanding or sensitivity to the human element, the interpersonal human element.

Right. Because that was an in the people who invented it in the first place. Yeah. That's,

that's deep. I wonder if that's true. Because here we are. And we're letting these guys do some stuff. Right. And we're all, it's hurting. It's hurting. And they didn't want it to hurt on purpose. No. They just didn't have the need for themselves. Right. They didn't understand. Right. So why would they incorporate it? Right. Why would they even know that you become so addicted to your social media and how you look to other people? What's it called? Your self image. It's, you know,

that you entered depressed state because you're not as beautiful as other people who are online curating their their presence. Right. You don't even know that that they're not even real.

Yeah. We're not, they're not authentic. I should say. Yeah. So the creators don't understand

that because they don't have that software. Maybe that's intriguing. I'd be curious to see what research says about that. And I'm not saying all people that don't know. But it's a hypothesis worth testing. Oh, like that. Dude, now we're doing something together. That's exciting. Yeah, I was trying to think of some good. What is this one right here? Oh, pie in the sky. That's a, that would be a serious row. You look tough, Neil. Oh, I didn't create that. That's somebody. I don't know.

But still, that looks good. What about, uh, Michael? We are now looking at AI rendered version of me with a pie superhero outfit with a cape stars on it. And there must be 500 digits of pie in the sky.

“That means the world was about to end. And I think that's a current. What about Halloween”

costume Mike Degress Tyson? See if you can put that in an AI see what happens. No. Well, the

thing about flying at thiv. You know. And then there's a supermodel, Tyson Beckford. Oh, here you go. Oh, let's go. Oh, dude, let me say, what do you say on my arm there? Frick or knock out. What about a Tyson chicken nugget? That would be good if you was alone. If you was a little nugget, that'd be good. You'd eat yourself too. You know, who wouldn't? That works until you die. Yes, okay. I don't want to. But hey, if you're starving, that'd be a risky moment. Wouldn't it be?

That'd be a risky moment. Oh, that's cute. Neil, you do not look happy about it. No, no. But she would definitely probably have a little bit of yourself. Chicken tender. Oh, chicken tenders good. Um, let me see with Tyson Beckford because he's a supermodel. Yeah, let's see. Let's at least. If I look hot at the very least, if I look hot with Tyson Beckford.

“Or Neil DeGrossie Tyson to put that in there. That's a um. You don't mean the grassy high. Yeah, remember that?”

That'd be weird. How are they going to? They can't mash that. That doesn't. Yeah, well, it's science. There you go. Why am I in a wheelchair? Because that character was in a wheelchair, Drake's character. But Tyson Beckford? No, no. This is DeGrossie. Neil DeGrossie. Oh, oh, got you got you got you got you got me there. Yeah, this is Neil DeGrossie. Yeah, this is Neil DeGrossie. That's what's in a sin enough. That looks good. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Let's go, oh,

there. That's awesome, man. Well, look, there you go. It look. I'll say this. You got some great costumes that come that just because you exist. Some cool, you new universes can show up in the world. I officially give you my permission to post these that you just created. Okay. Thank you. Love me in there. Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, there he goes. Yeah, that was Drake. I forgot that was Drake. Yeah, that was it. Yeah, yeah. He's talented. Let me see. What can we, did you ever want to be

abducted by aliens? Do you fear them or do you? I more than ever would like them to come get me? Really. Yeah, and that's a truth. That thing. And I don't mean that at any like I'm scared from a life way or anything like that or I'm not. Yeah, but so my same sentiment is maybe for a different reason. I, I want to be abducted ever since the truck, since I was 10 years old. No, I wanted to be abducted.

And if they could abduct me, they should clearly have access to the universe in ways that I don't. So it was because I've been, I was a curious, cosmicly curious kid. Wow, that's pretty cool, man. Yeah. Did you ever feel like they might not abduct you because of your

skin color? Never. Never. They're aliens for goodness sake. I didn't mean that in a bad way. No, no,

no, I had no such thoughts because because I've had black friends that are like aliens don't

“abduct us in this type of shit. Oh, there was the, the key in peel skip. Huh? You know the key in”

peel skip? Uh-huh. This was hilarious. It's a suburb suburbia. Right. It's so funny. And there's zombies coming up the street. And they turned to this home where black people live and it goes around back and they'd barbequewing. And then the zombie just like recoils. And he goes back to the street and chases the white people. So these are like racist zombies. It's a whole skin. It's an entire skin. And so, well, the black people just sound, they're hanging out. I'm lawn chairs. And the white

people, it's just going crazy. Oh, kids, so I know such thoughts that alien would somehow see me as a black human, just as a human. But I knew, cos I'm old enough to remember, the Apollo program the Mercury seven astronauts and all these guys. None of them look like me in the slightest. Not only that on Broadway was the number one hit musical hair. And none of these guys had hair longer than an inch, an inch on their head, all of these crew cuts. So I was interested in space

not because of the Apollo program, cos it looked like there was nothing in there for me. Wow. And it was more pure curiosity with the universe and me and the aliens will take it. Wow. Yeah. If you got in there, right? Say they come and get you. Okay. They're doing a special right? And they want to get different types of folks up there. Uh-huh. You know, the whites aren't

“cutting in anymore. But, well, don't just think about it. Ask yourself this. Okay?”

When you look at pigeons, are you grouping them into kinds of pigeons? No, you're not, because they're just pigeons to you. But if you really did it, some surface patterns of their feathers are different. Okay? And when you look at an alligator, do you even know who's a female, and who's a male alligator? No. No. You don't, and do you know, with the pat, you don't even care because you were so different from the alligator. You're not focused on how alligator is different

from each other. You're focused on the fact that it's a freaking alligator. Yeah. So, if you were an octopus, and you look at humans. Are you saying, oh, this human has a different color of skin than this human? No. You're a creature that swims in the ocean with eight legs. Okay?

“All you're going to see are these humanoid things that have a head only for limbs and not eight.”

Okay? And you're living in the air, not in the water. That will preoccupy your awareness of them. If humanoid aliens came, which is all Hollywood, then think of creating, the octopus will not

distinguish between us and them. Yeah. Because they always have two eyes and nose amount,

the head, shoulders, neck, arms, legs, torso, feet, arms, hands, and fingers. That's it. That's what we do know. Do you realize that all life on earth has common DNA and that bananas have 25% identical genes to human beings. And because of that, if you get an alien from another planet, that has no DNA at all, or has DNA, but none of it is in common with us, it should look at least as different from humans, as bananas and humans look from each other. And all Hollywood

depictions are there walking that, talking and walking, coming, whistling. You know? So, so I had no such thoughts that aliens will notice my skin color. And I'm pretty sure any future aliens would feel the same. I just didn't know because a lot of deductions seem like it's a lot of times

often a guy that it seems kind of white. Yeah. Well, actually one of the first and most famous

deductions you can look this one up is the Betty and Barney Hill. Case. Hmm. Barney Hill is a black man. Was he? Betty Hill was a white woman. Let me see him. Oh. Yeah. Oh yeah, he looks kind of black. Yeah. Yeah. Barney Hill. We're American couple and civil rights activists who claim they were ducted by extraterrestrials in a rural portion of the state of New Hampshire from September 19th

because two UFOologists connected the star map allegedly shown to Betty Hill with the Zeta

reticulized system. Their story was adapted into the best selling 1966 book, The Interrupted Journey and the television film, the UFO incident. And that television film James Earl Jones played Barney Hill. Did he really? Yeah. Yeah. It was pretty cool. Very cool. But so anyhow. So so you obviously played James Earl Jones. This is CNN. So so so so anyhow so aliens early on have been inducting black people, but not in the numbers that they do with white people. But this isn't early mixed

couple. That might have been what I got him. Oh. You know I'm saying it might have been. Oh no.

“And they look like a beautiful couple. Yes, they're very well groomed. I think it's the way you're”

like a beautiful couple. And I'm glad they got brought back. Did they get brought back? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. Good. Yeah. And so it's so I'm just saying he's pressing it for at least some black people to be inducted. But you are correct. The overwhelming majority are white people and English speaking people. Hmm. If you look at a map of all reported UFO incidents in the world, they go new fun. M. U. F. O. M. They'll have a map map to their UFO sighting maps. That's it. Whoa. Okay. Notice hardly any Mexico. Every dock there on this map. Wow. Is a reported U. F. O.

sighting. Now it could be that if you don't speak English, you don't know where to report it. That could be so I get it. But you could just tell your friends difference here is. No. Rotate the map or go to some other place. Can you rotate the map? Yeah. Go rotate around. Look at that. Okay. A little bit in India. Keep turning. Ain't go in. There you go. And they've right across the channel. Okay. Now come down to Australia. Okay. Well, Australia doesn't have many people to begin with, but in all

“the major cities. They're reporting. Correct. And what about China? Are they reporting them?”

They're allowed to. Are they? You know, I'm just saying this UFO thing is such an American phenomenon. And so either the aliens just like English-speaking people or you're or no one else gives a shit or it's just it's the English people know better how to report their sightings than other people do or when we're goalable in thinking that something is aliens when it's just some natural phenomenon. So this map is staggering, I think. And and do I'll tell you this honestly, I think that

the final war on the planet is going to be Blacks for aliens. Really? Black humans for aliens, yeah. Really? So that's that's a movie that looks like it's going to be in the sequence with predator versus aliens. I mean, predator V aliens, humans V black people V aliens. Okay. Because somebody going to have to battle them. Oh, and I don't let me let me cut you off here. It's it like wasn't there some

movie called Jason takes Manhattan and someone did a parody on that. Jason tries to take Harlem. Jason comes up with this mask and an action. Get out of my back. Black people are not going to stand for this. They're not black people at a certain point

“or not going to stand for aliens bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. I think more of a white”

society will just fall into it too easy at a certain point. Black people are going to detect this bulls. We've all seen the videos of people trying to to scare black people with Halloween trick. They saw a pops out of the can. Yeah. It says. Yeah. Stay in the can. Stay to yeah. I see that's interesting. So all the white people of the world would have acquiesced to the demands of the aliens and would have just gotten absorbed

and black people hold it out. Yeah. And it'll be the final battle. Yeah. I think that they're they end up being the savers of the world. Wow. Because I think it's just like that's a movie. Because every great story is the arc. You know. That that missed its time. That should have come out like 1973. That movie with black exploitation films. Where black people are kicking ass in there. It was okay for everybody to do it. Even white people said, okay, we'll give it to you.

We've been so hard on you all these years. We'll you can kick our ass for a few for a few few years in the movies. That would have been the good time. Black people versus. But I'm talking

about that. That that one had the movie black. You're never they have that. Yes.

Bokula. Oh, Daniel. Yeah. Yeah. So that that was the era where this movie should

I would love to see that and look there he is biting some white chair.

I've seen that before. But no, I think I'm not even joking. You know, I believe that that is going to be the that's going to be the battle. And I believe that that they saved the planet.

“That's what I believe. Somebody is going to hear this podcast and it's going to write that script.”

We need it. We need it. I'm going to point out like we need that's what because I don't know what else can save save everything. Yeah. Yeah. Another thing, they come down to these bad ass spaceships. And here we are getting our guns out of the cabinet and shooting at really like,

don't you just see what has happened here? The bullet will like absorb into their ship and it will

become part of their ship. Yeah, but for example, right? Yeah. Can you just extrapolate what's happening here? So that's right. So the black we don't have as many guns as the white people do, but we would know the guns would be pointless. We'd have to find some other way to get them. They'll figure it out. Yeah, maybe barbecue. You think? That seems racial. That seems racial. After all the stuff we've said, I don't know, listen to our notes in the jazz jazz will, oh, now we're talking.

Yeah. And then Alan just be chillin. Smoking. That's how they'll be. There'll be some way,

“but that's how they'll be. It'll be their muse. I believe that. It'll be there. That's how”

I've always believed that. How long have I said that for now? That which comes 26 years ago. How long

go? Two to six years ago. That which comes the inner beast of the alien. This is some smooth jazz. Your book before you go. Yeah, anything else about the aliens or we can go in your book as a chapter on this ODIAC. So thanks for giving my alien book a shout out. Came out earlier this year. Back in May. Take me to your theater. Yeah. Yeah. That it's a small book. Very fits in your pocket kind of thing. And that book is like everything you need to know for your alien encounter.

And it's grounded in physics. I mean, so it's not it's to try to anchor the conversations people having about what they see, what they think they see, what they want to see. It's in there. There's a chapter on alien intelligence, alien technology, alien powers. What powers do alien show in a movie that might be possible on earth, even if it's beyond our current technologies. So it's a very serious, but fun exploration in that. So thanks for giving that a shout out. Yeah. And but the

lost in space. Like I said, that's a big battle 5,000 fact book. Yeah. Uh, National Geographic. They don't, they don't do ugly. Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah, that's some of the images and just like, yeah, it's a nice journey of like kind of information and uh, yeah, enjoying yourself. You laying on a couch. Yeah. And you'll win something. You've got a dip dip in. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, for my podcast, I wanted it to have a tagline, but I'm marketing person next to it. I wanted it

because you come and you have fun and you learn something. So the tagline was learned something for a change. So it's going to say. And they said, no, that's too off put. It was too. And so in this book, it's like learn something for a change. Yeah. Yeah. Last question before you go, I guess. All right. Could Aliens bring new elements and stuff and new science here that we haven't seen like with it alter the fabric of our science. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's a great question.

So in the chapter, Aliens powers and Aliens science and technology, I explore the science that we have discovered on Earth that applies across the universe and across time. They are beholding to that. But then there are, there's other things about the universe that are mysteries to us that they might have harnessed, like dark matter, dark energy, wormholes. You know how to make a wormhole? You need a negative gravity material. It'd be a substance. Normal things have gravity.

This is negative gravity. Like what mud or something? No, no, it just doesn't exist. We don't know of, but maybe an alien figured out how to make it. And if you can make a negative gravity thing, instead of bringing things together, which gravity does, it price things apart,

“which is what you need to make a wormhole. Yeah. So, but here's the thing. If they master wormholes,”

then they connect where they are to where we are and they just step through, they wouldn't need

or who's who's this dude in the, um, Avengers, uh, Dr. Strange. You just step through and they would just be here. They just be here. If it's if it's a proper wormhole, right? It's not a whole tube that you pass through. You just step through. So, so if they mastered that, then they would not be seen in spaceships. Where would you go if you could wormhole? Oh, center of the galaxy. That's gotta be bad. It's a super massive black hole there. I would need

radiation protection because there's a lot of lethal electromagnetic energy coming out of there,

“but you know, the center of the galaxy feels cool to me. How many people have we sent there?”

Zero. Ever? To the center of the galaxy? What do you mean? We, we've, we've only been to the moon like six times. Oh, man. So, what do you mean go to the center of the galaxy is like, it's good. Yeah. The 30,000 light years away. No, no, I don't know that. Oh, galaxy, dude. Galaxy. Oh, I don't know. Okay, what Earth Earth into planets in the sun solar system. Okay.

We and four hundred billion other stars. Uh-huh. Milky Way galaxy. Okay. We and

thousands of other galaxies, the Virgo super cluster of galaxies. Other super clusters combine the universe. They keep renaming this thing and making it bigger. Bigger and bigger. Yeah. As we discover it. Yeah. And as we discover, it's like they just kind of give you a little more bread and eat, eat, little more bread crumbs. Well, incremental disguise. We make new telescopes. So, so, is there new physics? There could be, but the physics we know is not going to be different for them.

So, so our physics would have to apply to them certain aspects of our physics. Yes, because we've tested it on Earth and across the universe. Got it. So, the periodic table of elements, which you saw in your chemistry class, that is full. It used to have gaps in it. And we said, wait, there's a gap here. There must be an element. Let's look for it. Let's synthesize it. Let's create it. Bata Bing. Here's the element. The first element, this is in the book. The first

element that was manufactured, because it was a gap in the whole element. Do we see this in nature?

“No. Nature doesn't make this element. Let's make it ourselves. That's how badass we are. We made”

this element. And we named it after the prefix we use for things that are artificially made. Do you know that prefix? Tech. It's called Tech Museum. Tech Museum. We invented that. Wow. And that's a real element. Yeah. I think this has very important significant

medical application. Can you just buy it? Or is it like a-- I've never tried their labs that can

synthesize it. But yeah, you can't know. What are you going to do? I mean, what would you do with that if you? I don't know. I'm just happy. I guess. I don't even know what I mean. Yeah, no, yeah. I didn't know what existed. What? Right. So, there's-- Yes, you can buy Tech Museum. Tech Museum. But it is strictly regulated and very difficult for private individuals to obtain in

“pure form because it is radioactive. Yes. Never mind. Radio. Do not want that out.”

When you keep your going ads. Yeah. So, the element is full. When the nicks were in the playoffs, they had been since I was in middle school. Okay. 52 years or something. Yeah, I was an old fart. And so, while they were in the playoffs, I tweeted. I said, I forgot the exact number, but it's approximate. I said the last time the nicks won the championship, the periodic table had 11 fewer elements. Just a measure time by our rate of discovery of these elements.

So, up to 118, nature only makes 92 of them. Wow. We've manufactured. So, we got the periodic table. That is what the universe is made of. Materially. What I looked like last time in your next one championship. Look at you, boy. Oh, yeah. So, I'm very geeky. I got a camera. That was one

of the world's first selfies. It turns out. You know who selfie this before me is is Colin Powell.

Has a photo of himself in a mirror. So, I just thought this would be a cool thing to do when I was 14 or something. That's cool. So, that's one of several posts. And I have like a karate kimono thing. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah, yeah. So, if you get some cool hobby. Yeah, I devout my own film and I was a geek kid, like I'm saying, can there be more elements? So, no, because those elements are just how many protons are in the nucleus. There's an element with one proton as hydrogen,

two protons helium, three lithium, four boron, five six is is carbon, seven is nitrogen,

other element because we're counting protons. At the high end, we're up to 118, probably,

but maybe the aliens have 119, 20, 120. Yes. What about Kryptonite? That's entirely Krypton. That's a gas. And we have it. That's a gas. Do we have it? Oh, yeah. Fuck yeah. Oh, yeah. Krypton. There's a noble gas. Good. Not that anybody asked, but in the time that is a lapse, since the nicks last want a championship, we've discovered eight new subatomic particles. The J. S. I. Mayson, the Tao Lepton, the bottom cork, the glue on the W. Z. Bozon,

the top cork, the Tao neutrino, and the Higgs Bozon. No bell prizes all around.

And they are all entering the portal as well this week. Not that anybody asked with the last

time the New York nicks wanted championship. Steven Spielberg had not yet made a featured length

“movie about aliens. That's how long ago that was. That's how I'm saying it. So whatever they make”

their craft out of, it's got to be these ingredients. Got it. So I can talk about these ingredients that they have. Maybe they may have some fancy haloy, sure, but they'll made of these ingredients. Can they, do they have negative gravity substance? Maybe I don't know. I'm not going to preclude that. Maybe they figure that out. Can they read your mind? If they get close enough, maybe because your brain is electromagnetic signals. It does. Yes.

And that's why you can put electrodes on your head and read your brain waves. So yes, in principle, we don't know how to do that yet, but I give that to them. Yeah. No give it to them. They're more expensive. They came all over here again. They came over here. Give it to them. Yeah. So there's a whole

“conversation there about powers they have, but I'm not giving them the physics that we've already”

established. We're good with that. Yeah. And we know that because we can measure atomic phenomenon in other stars and other galaxies across space and throughout time. And so we're good there. Be proud of that. Amen. What do you think, like the next biggest realm of discovery in science? Like where is science really going to start to? I think we're going to get in our genome. It's not messing. We're going to start playing God. I think. Oh, you want to play a piano

with 12 fingers? Let's put in the gene that gives you a six finger on each hand. And then compose something that'll do that. I think who we are and what we look like might become boutiquey. And that's, I hope that doesn't happen, because so much of what makes life interesting

“is working with what you've got. How inventive you need to be to work with how you are and what”

right, it gives us a purpose. It gives you, let me work with this. Right. Let me see what I can do here. And this urge to be normal. I think every interesting thing that's ever happened in civilization was created or imagined or assembled by people who are not normal. If everybody would normal, nothing would happen. Think about that. Yeah. So, um, in praise of being abnormal, there's a famous quote. I think it was George Bernard Shaw, reasonable people,

follow rules and do what they're told, unreasonable people, break rules and do things that they're not supposed to do. So all advances in civilization have come about from the work of unreasonable

people. Wow. If you only do what you're told, you will never make a discovery.

Amen. I mean, that goes back to even some of the stuff. It's like the person that's different, the person that's the, that's going to do things at a beat of a different drama or whatever. Right. That's the part like celebrate that. Yeah. That might be the savior. And that might be the liaison. It might be the Patriot that gets us at the next level. The link there. And here's just an interesting fact. I don't know what percentage of the public is trans. Some numbers put it in

low single digits. And then if you're like a normalist, you will say, well, that fixed that. They're not normal. They're at abnormal. They're, you go, okay. Do you realize that 98% of all atoms in the universe are hydrogen and helium? 98%. Everything that is what we care about in love

the everything else is what makes this universe what it is. And it's in that 2%. The variety.

There it is. The cadmium. That's in there too. Is it? Yes. Yeah, dude. Yeah, man. You got to have variety. You got to have difference. And also, it's the, it's the forces we put on ourselves to try to make people conform to what is normal or average. So that that disturbs me. I want people to celebrate being different. Yeah. Not be sad that they're not the same. Right. Yeah. Amen to that. Yeah. And a lot of it is like, like, stuff like media, online stuff that just, it's created to create

“the fight. Oh, yeah. Because in the end, I think people you walk up to anybody. Somebody, most people”

would take care of each other. I'd like to think so. I think that's true. But generally, they would

do so if you were the only two in the boat. And all you have is each other. But if you're with a clan of the hundred people and there's three people who are different out there, it's way too easy to reject them. It almost comes naturally within us to protect what's in group and reject what's out how to group. Well, hopefully we don't get into a place where people are like, you know, things are getting that rough out there, you know. I hope not. I mean, it's definitely

has happened that way in some parts of the world. Oh, for sure. Definitely. I'm not saying that it hasn't for sure. Yeah. But I mean, I hope it doesn't get to like, we're at the like, there were things get so with like dystopian out there and stuff. I don't think that's going to happen. In the end, do you think that existence wins like that good wins? Uh, so in that vein, there's a, there's a paragraph I want to read from Carl Sagan's pale blue dot. Okay. Okay. And it encapsulates so much of

what my people feel as astrophysicist. Because we see earth not just as living humans on the surface, we think of earth from space and from deep space. Okay. And what does it look like? What does it feel

“like? What are you thinking? Okay. And there's earth just this orb, a drift. What are you thinking?”

Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors, so that in glory and in triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their

hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privilege position in the universe are challenged by this point of pale light. So I think about that all the time. You will not find legions of astrophysicists leading soldiers into battle. Yeah.

“That is not ever going to happen. You would think we could do better and I think most of us want to.”

Yeah. Yeah. You know, well, you know, it has to be, it has to be what I found. The most potent way to get someone to accept someone else is to have your kids want to marry one of them. I mean, think about historically marriages were like packs between countries to bring peace among them. They marry the royalty off and now you got to have be friends. So that's a truth.

Maybe there's deep truth in that. Oh, I've always said beige power, man. I think it all ends.

It all ends really beige, man. I've always said beige power, dude. Neil deGrasse Tyson. Thank you so much, brother. Um, thanks for having me back. I mean, I enjoyed our last time together, but I can't. I'm not leaving until we both look at this baby-fried version of us when you ask me a question and I answered it. Okay. You look at this. That sounds fair. Let's check it out right here. This is like, I think what AI was intended for.

Oh, yeah. Is outer space gay or straight? Okay. So I'm going to give you an answer. Are you ready? Yeah. Is outer space gay or straight? Practically everything we see and measure in space. Not only objects, but temperature, size, density is all a spectrum. So if you say is the universe gay or straight, I'm going to tell you whatever the universe is, it's all a spectrum. So it's buy.

Uh-huh. Sometimes I do sometimes I don't. My mother sends me stuff sometimes.

“Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It was fun. Our last conversation was fun. I've listened to a couple times”

over the years and just grateful to have you back and just grateful to you. Thank you.

Just contributing to the world, sharing and opening your heart up and sharing things that

“are whoever will listen. I'm there for you. You've done a great job over the years, man. So”

thank you so much for your confidence. Thank you. It was laughing that I meant that in space. Yeah.

You knock on the door or let you in. Hey, and if you do that, then I won't be lost in space.

“I've got that. You'll have a guide. Yeah. Well, I lost in space. 5,000 facts for navigating the”

universe. That's your new book. It's a beauty. Thanks for the shout out. Yep. You bet, man. And thank you so much, Neil. I appreciate it. All right. ♪ I can see it in my bones ♪ ♪ Thought it's gonna take ♪