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every month, sign up for throughline [email protected]/throughline. This is America in pursuit, a limited one series from throughline and npr. I'm Ramteen at Ablui. Each week we bring you stories about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the US that began 250 years ago. Since we started this series, there's one thing that's remain consistent in each episode. The rights to those pursuits were
not granted or guaranteed for everyone. In while the emancipation proclamation and the end
of the civil war marked a major turning point for granting some rights to black Americans,
there was still a lot of unanswered questions about what would come next. What is going
“to happen to nearly 4 million African Americans who had been enslaved in the South? Are they”
going to have basic rights or are they not going to have basic rights? The 14th amendment sought to put those questions to rest and clarify once and for all who was considered an American and what kind of rights Americans should have? Well, the 14th amendment is a charter of basic rights and trying to give basic rights to African Americans. The 14th amendment gave basic rights to everybody. But in the aftermath of the civil war, not everyone was on board
with this revision of who had access to what rights. Today on this show, how the 14th amendment redefined who was American and the story of the people who fought to ratified. That's coming up after a quick break.
“President Abraham Lincoln delivers his last speech just days after the end of the civil”
war in April 1865. He's standing right outside of the White House. We meet this evening
not in sorrow, but in gladness of heart. Slavery had been abolished and nearly 4 million
former slaves were freed. People were eager to hear what he planned to do next. Lincoln says he'd like to extend some rights to newly freed black people. I would prefer myself that it were now conferred on the very intelligent and on those who serve our cause as soldiers. He's advocating for, of course, black citizenship and certainly voting rights, at least for those who fought for the union. There are a lot of former slaves and free blacks who had fought
for the union. But the very mention of that idea, black men, just men voting, black citizens, it ruffles feathers, including the feathers of a man in the crowd listening to Lincoln's speech that evening. A man named John Wilkes Booth. Three days after hearing Lincoln's speech, Booth shoots Lincoln in the head, killing him.
Lincoln is really killed for voting rights, for citizenship rights. This is Vernon Burton. I'm the judge Matthew J. Perry distinguished professor of history at Clipson University. I have co-authored a book, Justice deferred, Race in the Supreme Court. He's going to be one of our guides telling us this story. The other is legal historian Kenneth Mack. Professor at Harvard Law School and also a professor of history at Harvard University.
I've written a book called "Representing the Race, the Creation of the Civil Rights Lawyer." The 40th Amendment is a reaction to what came after Lincoln's assassination. What came after is Andrew Johnson, Lincoln's VP, who gets sworn in as president, and it's Johnson's job to pick up the presidential baton and put a fractured nation back
together. We kind of think of Lee's surrender, the war's over. No, the war continues. After the final battles of the Civil War had ended, the violence continued. Especially for Black Americans. For instance, it was the Memphis riot of 1866. There were clashes between African Americans
and police officers in Memphis, Tennessee. 46 black people were killed, 89 other homes were burned.
There was lots of reaction to black people organizing politically.
they had been enslaved, and now they're organizing politically, to be equals to white people politically.
“So there was a New Orleans riot of 1866, in which a mob attacked a group of African Americans”
who were gathering in advance of the Louisiana Constitutional Convention, and the mob killed 35 of them. So these things were not uncommon in the years after the Civil War. Former Confederates are just rampaging killing black people. In rural areas, a lot of black leaders were murdered, teachers, as well as even ministers and churches burned.
I mean, it was people in the United States seemed to think that terrorism began with 9/11
in the United States, but Africa, America's lived in a terrorist society.
And Johnson is doing nothing about this. And at the same time, Congress is trying to do something about it. Congress is trying to pass legislation to help black people in the South. Congress
“passes something called the Freed Bend's Bill to establish the Freed Bend's Bureau to aid”
black people in the South. Congress passes the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which would make black people into citizens and protect their basic rights. And Johnson vetoes them. Johnson claims that the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which is supposed to give African Americans equal rights to white people, is discriminatory against white people, that it's some kind
of special privilege for black people to give them equal rights to the rights that white
people had. Can you talk about who Andrew Johnson was? And what he did, how he picked up or didn't pick up the mantle of Lincoln after it was assassinated. Johnson was from Tennessee. He was just anti-class. He was anti-the elite who he thought were sort of running the South and taking them into a war that there was should not have
been in. And as president, Johnson is just ignoring the basic conditions of black people in the South. Just before Andrew Johnson was vetoing legislation that would have enshrined equal rights for black people into federal law, states were passing what were called black codes, laws that severely police black people's lives. Limitations were placed on the right to own
property to marry freely and to testify in court, and to push black people into labor contracts, contracts that if broken were subject to punishment by police and state militia. Some of them just substituted in their slave codes, the word "freedom" for slaves. Some of them even made it illegal for white people to treat blacks as equals. And punished
“them as well. It's clear after the Civil War that the only way that African Americans”
will get basic rights in the former Confederacy is if there is some national constitutional rights that applies everywhere and applies against the actions or the inactions of the states. At the time, if a state passed a super discriminatory law or actively looked the other way, when say lynchings happen, there was nothing in the Constitution that explicitly
let the federal government say, "Hey, state, you can't do that." The assumption behind the Constitution originally was that no states would protect the rights of their citizens. We didn't need the U.S. Constitution to protect citizens from the actions of their own states. So Congress set out to do something totally new with the 14th Amendment. Protect black
people by legally recognizing them as citizens with certain rights. It's all laid out in the first sentence. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction they are of are citizens of the United States and of the state where in they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law, which shall abridged the privileges or immunities
of citizens of the United States. Nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law. Nor denied to any person within its jurisdiction, the equal protection of the laws. To me, this seems like such a, like, a radical assertion of federal power, like given
Where the balance of power was up to that point.
clearly speaking to that moment, which is no state shall make or enforce any law, which
“will abridged the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”
So I mean, they're basically saying no state can make a law that takes away someone's
rights and privileges. Yes. So the 14th Amendment is doing something that the original Constitution didn't do. You know, it's applying basic rights to states. So it's trying to say there's something called privileges or immunities. And those privileges and immunities will apply all over the United States. No matter what state you're in, no state or no local government
can take away these privileges or immunities, which is something that the original Constitution did not do. If you took that, like, let's say an alien came to earth, like in 300 years after, you know, humanity's gone finds this engraving of the 14th Amendment. How would they understand that this was about newly emancipated black Americans in the Southern U.S. Because it's so vague, like what I'm really asking about is why the vagueness of this language.
Yeah. Well, the 14th Amendment is a constitutional provision. So Congress goes to write a constitutional amendment. They can't just say, you will give black people equal rights to white people.
“So the Constitution has to have principles. So that's why the 14th Amendment has very broad”
principles. But it's also got things that are very specific. So all persons born are naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state where they reside. That is a direct response to the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Dred Scott. The infamous Dred Scott case of 1857. Scott was a formerly enslaved man who moved back to Missouri, a slave state after living freely in the north. There he sued
the state, claiming that his residence in a free territory made him a free man wherever he was. The case eventually moved to the Supreme Court, which held that black people could
not be citizens of the United States or of any state. So the first part of the 14th Amendment
is directly overruling Dred Scott, but it's also establishing a principle. Because the
“original constitution does not define who's a citizen. Everything changes with this new”
definition of who is considered an American and who is protected under that provision. So now the federal government is supposedly over the states. The states are subject to the federal government. This was a really big change. It is a total reshifting, a different direction for the country because it reorders the state and federal government relations. Of course, it's one thing to draft an amendment and another to ratify it. In order
to ratify an amendment, Congress and individual state legislatures must vote to approve it. And this amendment, it was really pushed forward by the political party in charge. The Republican Party, of course, was the party of anti-slavery. Lincoln gets elected as the Republican president. So the Republicans were the forward leaning party with regard to slavery and with regard to black rights. I want to talk about a group of people who are
involved in this that I don't think most Americans even would understand the term when we bring it up, which is the radical Republicans. Who were the radical Republicans and what was their response to all of this violence and to Johnson's kind of resistance to any kind of the reforms they were trying to push through? The radical Republicans are the ones who really were in favor of black equality. They wanted something very much done about inequality
in the South. They wanted the former Confederate states reconstructed to bring about equality. Over the course of the 1860s, the radical Republicans and Congress passed three major post-civil war amendments. The 13th amendment would said there could be no slavery in the US. The 14th amendment, which among other things, grants birthright citizenship and the promise
that states can't take away the rights of US citizens or deny equal protection under the law. And the 15th amendment would said that the right to vote couldn't be denied because of one's race or previous enslavement. All three are a direct reaction to the civil war
and what was going on in the formerly Confederate South. You know, the first thing that the new
Congress does is it moves to exclude the people who have been elected to Cong...
been in rebellion. The 14th amendment would have never passed Congress had the former Confederates
“been cheated in Congress. They also do something else just to make sure that amendment”
will get ratified. So the Republican Congress passes a thing called the Reconstruction Act of 1867. And it finally kind of it's kind of overruling Andrew Johnson's policy and setting its policy towards the the formerly rebellious states. And in order to come back into the union, they have to set up new governments, they have to write new constitutions. State constitutions, which Congress declared needed to be voted on in elections that included
black men as voters. The Reconstruction Act of 1867 divided the Confederate states up into military districts required that a new government be elected by male voters of all races and sent in federal troops who provided protection for black men heading to the
“polls. It was one of the most dramatic moments ever I think you have going in mass, African”
America, to the very place at the courthouse where many had been whipped or their family so cast in their ballot, what an extraordinary symbol of this new positive liberty of democracy. Those constitutions have been the most progressive of the former Confederates have had. It may be some of the most progressive in fact the United States any state has. So it's black
people and black voters who are key to getting the 14th Amendment ratified because they finally
can vote when the 14th Amendment goes to the states. The 14th Amendment has shaped all of our lives, whether we know it or not. So many major Supreme Court cases have been built on the back of the 14th Amendment. Rovers is Wade, Brown vs. Board of Education, Bush vs. Gore. Plus other cases that legalize same-sex marriage, interracial marriage, access to birth control, they all came down to the 14th Amendment and it was
ratified at a time when the country was rethinking who was an American and what kind of rights all Americans should have. At a time when rights and the protection of those rights were not a given but fought for with the ratification of the 14th Amendment by black voters and radical Republicans determined to redefine what it meant to be American.
“That's it for this week's episode of America in pursuit. If you want to hear the full”
length episode about what happened after the 14th Amendment was ratified, check out the full length through line episode, the 14th Amendment. Be sure to join us next week when we dive into the story of Frederick Douglass who dedicated his life to getting black men the right to vote. "You said natural rights are like the air you breathe. They belong to no one group, no
one person, no one country, they belong to everybody." And the right to vote to Douglas Cruz in something called a republic, if it could ever live up to those trees, was the most sacred right of all. That's next week, don't miss it. This episode was produced by Tiana Moradam and edited by Christina Kim, with help from the
throughline production team, music as always by me and my band drop electric. Special thanks
to Julie Kane, Irina Gucci, Beth Donovan, Casey Minor and Lindsey McKenna, where your host Romteen Adablui and run out of defatach. Thank you for listening.
