CALIFORNIA IS FLIPPING REPUBLICAN | Timcast IRL #1464 w/ Vish Burra

And here's funny thing, you know, for a while, everybody said, yeah, what doesn't matter because Democrats will start dropping out and when they do The majority of people in California are going to want to vote for a Democrat right now, between the two Republicans, they have about 30, 31% in the polls And then among all of these other Democrats, there's like 11 or 12 or something, they're splitting up the vote Well, we thought they would drop out except now, they're all fighting with each other, accusing each other of being bad or just insulting them

“And well, that's what happens when you have a political party that just is willing to like cheating, stealing a political power”

So the latest calls from the Democratic Party, the establishment is sheen for certain candidates to leave the race so that two Republicans don't go ahead to head

It's falling on deaf ears, they're not going to do it, so here's what's going to happen

It is projected as of right now, and this is again, I know it's a long shot, so probably not going to happen But if the top two contenders advance to the general, there will be no Democrat option, it will literally be congratulations, California You get to vote for Republican or Republican, and then California will be Republican I don't know what that means for the people who live there, but I don't know what that means for a governor who's not going to be able to just Rubber stamp anything, you're going to have a super majority of Democrats throughout the state anyway, but at least be interesting, so we'll talk about that

“Then we're going to report from NBC that Trump is considering sending U.S. boots on the ground into Iran”

Again, we'll see if it's true, could be scottal but the crazier story in my opinion, it is a bit, you know, I love the word esoteric

But still massively impactful, the BBC falsely edited a speech from Heggseth to air in Iran claiming as Heggseth is speaking They translate it for him to say he is calling or he is going to bring death to the Iranian people, which he didn't say And that is terrifyingly and it regionally wrong, but are we really surprised that the BBC is doing this because this is what they seem to do We're going to talk about that and a whole lot more of my friends, of course, before we do we got a great sponsor It's ourselves pool water, my friends head over to casprou.com

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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much what we got, Vish Burrah Thank you so much for having me on Tim, Phil Carter Ian, my name is Vish Burrah, I'm a political consultant, mega operative extraordinaire Worked with Steven and Matt Gaetz, George Santos, all favorites of this show and I'm glad to be here with you Right on, should be fun. Well, you know guys, I'm also going to add this, we're not we're just for going the general introductions from the point of Crossland if you didn't already know. No, I was that kind of weird about it too. Yeah, because we got to the point where it's like seven minutes in and we're introducing the same people every single time

And we're like, yeah, I don't think we need to the crew of the crime. I don't mix it up and it was like every day when I can just introduce himself indeed But we're just for the hats to you, but let's just jump straight into the news, my friends from the New York Times, democratic infighting begins in California governor's race begins now

Indeed, and here's here's what I love from the AP top California Democrat flops with call for candidates to exit the governor's race

This guy, this is a A late hour attempt by California's top Democratic official to the party's credit field has flopped leaving the contest virtually unchanged Outgoing democratic governor, Gavin Newsom is acknowledged fears inside the party that multiple Democratic candidates could undercut each other in the June 2nd primary Primary election opening a pathway for a Republican to seize the job and one of the nation's most solidly democratic states And we have this this is the California top two twins website and it's showing the probability of who the likely candidates are going to be so the way it works for those that don't know

They're going to have a primary, it's open, it can be any party The two individuals in the most votes will advance to a general election The only issue is that the two individuals pulling at the top right now are Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco to Republicans Because the Democrats are cannibalizing their own voter base

“I think, however, it may actually be fair to say the Democrat voter base actually isn't one singular party”

And that's why this is happening When these Democrats say, hey look, we're all Democrats, a Katie Porter drop out so swell well can win Katie Porter is not a swell well, Democrat. She's a progressive going, no, he's a machine state croney. I'm going to win And then you got Tom Stier who's like, you're all crazy. We need moderate back. I'm going to win They're all different political ideologies

The issue, however, as Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco are at least somewhat similar So for most people, I think their choices come November are going to be Republican, V Republican and it's funny I guess I thought this is what they were doing during the federal election of 2020 With Biden, we had all those Democrats on stage And it felt like they were cannibalizing, they were all grasping

And then all of a sudden someone got the call or the call went out and they all dropped out at once and supported Biden You just don't see it in state by state elections because they didn't have the USA ID machine behind it Manipulating, you know, in contacting USAID isn't whoever it was, you know, the N.C. I'm in touch with you. It was a barber. Where were they getting their money? I was so bobbing, he went, made that call.

“But Obama made the call saying you should all drop out and support Biden”

Really? Yes, it was Obama who did that and the way he did that was going to make sure I go into Jim Clyburn Yeah, most powerflabber and is the black Democrat in the Democratic Party And getting his black caucus and the votes in South Carolina to line up behind Biden And that's when everyone knew like, oh, this is over now.

It's a great point that you make about Clyburn and everybody watching should know If you want to know what the Democrats are going to do, watch what Clyburn does. You know, Clyburn has so much pull in the Democrat Party. If Jim, if Clyburn says yes or you get Clyburn on your side, it's a guarantee for the Democrats If you don't get Clyburn, you can forget about it.

People talk a lot about how the Democrats work in lockstep. And I think that's sort of an illusion or general manipulation by the machine state Literally, you know, through like Obama making phone calls. And it's not like an inherent thing about a democratic party throughout. There's just like, you know, the large kind of machine behind the democratic party

In aspects. But you can see here. I just want to ask for it. I just want to go back to the good old days where no matter what happened,

it was always a conspiracy.

Like, let's just, you know what, Trump's part of it, he's been in it the whole time. He's the, the control that position and he went, he went, no, it's not just Democrats The Machine State. So the conspiracy theory back in the day, I was in Fort Lauderdale at a Trump rally back in like 2015 or 16. And there was a woman outside holding up a big poster board with a picture of Trump in Hillary

Together.

“And the Trump supporters were like, what do you do?”

And she, and she was protesting basically saying, Trump is friends with all of these people. They didn't stop being friends with Trump. They're just doing that so that you think Trump is an outsider. And the conspiracy theory is, I think the funniest moment in this because I don't actually believe it.

But we had General Flynn on, and I asked him about it. And he, and he gave a response. That a lot of people said sounded like it was true. And that was, I, I'd said in the show. This is a year and a few months ago in November that the conspiracy theory,

I explained it while General Flynn was on the show. The, the idea is this. Here's the idea. In the end of the 2010s, we saw the expansion of people like Alex Jones. He had been getting more and more popular.

And around this time, you saw the emergence of the Ron Paul Love Revolution. Ron Paul, they saw the makeings of an internet-based populist uprising. Ron Paul starts getting a ton of attention. He gets his internet campaign. And they could not control for it because it was grassroots viral organic.

And so the intelligence operation said, "No, no, no.

We'll just make sure it can never happen."

So what do you do? Well, the problem is, if you are the government and you come out and say,

People will say, "No, we'll do the opposite." The conspiracy theory goes to that this point. They said, "We need someone who can be our outsider. Who can appear to not be like the rest of the political machine state." So that regular people think they're voting for the anti-establishment candidate.

But in fact, he's been our buddy the whole time. And they said, "Don't Trump." So Trump registers, you know, make America great again. Decide he's going to run.

“And then he plays the anti-establishment heel, right?”

This is why Bernie Sanders was blocked. Bernie Sanders actually was standing in a gym launching a campaign. Very similar populist uprising. But they easily controlled for this. The conspiracy theory goes that Trump was actually the intended candidate to win.

And all of this opposition that we've seen with the impeachments,

the reason why they always fail in Trump always wins,

is to convince people that they're voting for the person fighting the establishment and then Trump declares war in a run, goes and bombs the crap out of it, kills the supreme leader, and accomplishes with the Bush administration and the Obama administration had been trying to do forever.

I mean, going back to Clinton and even Bush senior, we had the, who was the, the general who came out, Luke, Luke Lukersky knows the answer to this. Who said we're going to take out, we're going to, we're going to wipe out seven countries. We're going to use Clark.

Wesley Clark, are you sure? Yeah, nine countries in seven years. Was it seven? I thought it was just a quarrel. And Iran was one of them.

And now you have Donald Trump, people vote for him as the anti-establishment guy.

They've never actually stopped him from doing anything.

They've just done a bunch of things that would appear to be detrimental. And then Trump gives the machine status a war with Iran.

“Now again, I'm not saying I believe that conspiracy theory.”

My point is, weren't the good old days great because he just assumed that no matter what was happening, the Democrats and their Republicans were working together behind our backs. Yeah, I fully believe it was that simple. I mean, I think we wish that we could give those kind of simplified answers.

For all the conspiracy talk on it, it's a simple answer. It doesn't really work that way. Yeah, Trump has been kind of been in that milieu of elites and has been around these people, their friends and everything. But they were cool with him as long as he wrote the check and let them do their business

out in DC. What they weren't expecting was that he wanted to come join the party too. And I think that that's when it all kind of went to went screwy. And then that's when these folks either tried to co-opt him, infiltrate him or just take him head on.

You know what the craziest thing is, is that everything I just described is 100% true. And even we are in on it. We're paid, of course, by Israel. And it organized all of this. And the funny thing is, I can say this right now.

And it won't matter because the people who already believe it will always believe it.

And everyone else, I think I'm joking. So it was Wesley Clark. It was in 2007, Wesley Clark on democracy now said that he had spoken with high-ranking US Army officer classified Pentagon memo outlining a plan to overthrow seven governments within five years. And that's in 2007.

So that's why we'll partly Iraq, Iran. God who else was on there. Afghanistan. There would be a Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. So I mean, I don't think the US has, we've not, we've never been in Somalia or Sudan.

Well, now there are, there are. We'll Somalia, that's just happened. Yeah, and Lebanon's been, you know, there are people that swear up and down that that they've actually, the plan has been put into effect. And they've actually followed through in Iran was the last one.

But I don't think that actually holds walls. You know, because like I said, Somalia and Sudan haven't been, well, US hasn't had a significant action yet see through it. You know what I like doing is really funny, just to think about like, when I was younger maybe in like the 2000s or early 2010s and I'm on the internet and all this stuff in the world is going on.

“I remember one like WikiLeaks, cablegate happened, you guys remember that?”

It was at 2009. And I'm just chilling in my bedroom like I was making skate videos. I got no idea. I'm just reading the news and I'm like, man, this cablegate stuff is crazy. And then you hear all these conspiracy theories and I, you know,

I periodically would see some Alex Jones stuff, obviously with like the 9/11 loose change stuff. He used a lot of attention. And then the funny thing is now I've got, you know, two and a half million followers on X. And half a million on Instagram and all these followers. And I get accused of being part of those very same conspiracies.

But of course, now being on the other side of it, I rather enjoy sometimes going to a random person's account who's talking about me and then commenting on one of their posts that it's all true and no one will ever believe you. Just a, you know, it's very Bill Murray of you. He just drop in on ran. They're like screenshots.

It would be like, do Tim Poole admitted that's a big conspiracy and he's in on it. It's here in this tweet and people are going to like, "Shut up." That's the final version of your performance art by the way. It's just to part-to-spaded the conspiracies about you.

I kind of do something about that. You do get a test. You do get a test at that on his exit account. It would be awesome. Actually, if every single person in media just worked for one company,

that was like the establishment and it was, you didn't have to worry about expenses or salaries. That's the stuff that they want for you. I'm saying this somewhat facetiously, but like,

And you know, every day you're tracking like sponsors, I'm not supposed to get mad and we have to do this one over. And you got to do all this negotiating and manage people. It would just be so much easier if Israel really did run everything. And then I was like, "I didn't have to do anything because Israel was like, he's a blank check.

Just do whatever you want." I just like, "Let's go."

Or Russia, when they're like, "Timposed, pay Russia." Maybe amazing if all of my bills were just covered.

And it's like, we didn't have to worry about, you know, "Can we maintain this project?" "No, the budgets." You know, we've got, we're doing all these other shows and we've got budgets for projects. And then the budget, we hit that threshold where we're over budget and we're like, "This one's not going to work, we got to cancel it."

You know, just bring on the Israeli money, right? Then they can pay for everything. I'm kidding, it's not real. It doesn't exist. Some people got paid by a PR firm on behalf of Israel. That does happen.

But for the love, for the love, all the totally, like, there is not some grand political machine organizing all of these different podcasts and personalities to say these things. Just doesn't exist. Yeah, it's kind of like a high mind.

“But that, that again, you see the example of like CBS News, right?”

That was the deal with Paramount, right? There is some coordinated effort, but it's not a grand conspiracy. I think most of it is high mind, right? You know, if you, if everyone buys into the same ideology and you're all educated in like one understanding of a mission, you don't need to give directions, right?

The directions have already been given. You just go and pursue that ends by whatever means is available to you. And so if you have like a big believer like David Allison, who's the number one donor to the IDF, and then he's going to make him the TikTok deal.

He's going and helping with the CBS News deal. He's going and helping with the Paramount deal. I mean, is BB netting Yahoo and what? The elders of Zion on the phone with him, making sure he's making all these moves? No, they don't need to do that because he believes it on his own.

Yeah. And he's willing to do it. And that's actually the real truth about it. People don't want to believe that because they think that there's like this one rat rat's nest that you could hit. Yeah.

And everything will go back to normal. And that's just not the case.

Yeah. I get the same kind of stuff like people think that like because I'm not super critical of Israel all the time that I must be paid by Israel.

“Or I'm not allowed to say things that I think.”

And it's like, I wrote a piece on my Patreon about how I think that a lot of what's going on in Iran is connected to China and to a broad strategy. Venezuela, China, Venezuela and Iran both are sending a bunch of oil to China. And it's like on the long term, it's trying to weaken China. And people are like, oh, you're just running interference for Iran, you're just running interference for Israel. You're just running interference for Israel.

And it's like, no, if you actually look at the situation, like, I have a bunch of links in the in the piece. Like, if you actually read the links and look at the situation, it does make perfect sense. And there's a lot of people that have come on and said, since then that this is a lot of it is about, you know, about China. The U.S. has its own interests. And so the idea that everything the U.S. does is controlled by Israel is just ridiculous.

So to throw a wrench in that then, if, you know, this is really about China, this Iran thing, right? Why would Trump come out and say, we're going to help escort some of this oil that's stuck in the state of Hormuz out of the state of Hormuz and to be able to be delivered to Asia, essentially China. Well, because it's not, it's not specifically going to China. The oil that China was getting from Iran was outside of what was, it was sanctioned oil.

So all the stuff that that Iran is sending out, it was all like basically undercover.

It wasn't like official stuff. So anything that's going out of the Australia Hormuz that the U.S. is trying to help, it's going to other places like India or to other countries in Asia. Now, is it possible that some gets to China? Sure.

But the stuff that was coming out that was going to China China was taking 80% of the oil that they got was coming from Iran. Now, that's not 80% of the oil coming out of Iran. And not 80% of the actual like electric or fuel power, whatever that China gets. But 80% of the oil that was coming out of Iran was going to China. So like, but any of it go at a China, what did that undercut the whole article?

No, it's trying to screw somebody, but you don't want them to know or you want to look like the good guy. You take away their prospects and then you give them something. No, China has to buy oil on the international market control by the petro dollar. Yeah. So if China is buying oil and it's through our petro dollar system,

that's exactly what we want them to be doing. And it's not. So you're saying at the end of the day, as long as it's being bought by the dollar. Not as long as that's whipped crack, getting line China. Yeah.

And so we're delivering the oil because they're, they're bending the knee. And it's not intended to, it's not like this is going to be a crippling thing to China. This is all stuff around the edges.

“That's why Venezuela and Iran together are something that is affecting China.”

Either one of them alone don't really have a massive effect. But if you look, China's stop flying jets over Taiwan. And there's a lot of pieces that are coming out about the internal struggle going on in China.

And these, these two actions have really made China rethink their position on, or their posture on the U.S. Let's show to the story from CBS News.

A third of New Yorkers are planning to leave the state within the next five years,

according to a poll from Maristria University. Of that group, 40% indicated it's because the cost of living, 21% said equality of life in 15% said taxes. One Realtor tells CBS News, Jared CBS, an apartment renting for about 3,500 jerseys. Could cost anywhere from five grand to 20 grand in New York City, depending on location.

Well, California is going to get a Republican governor because they're all fighting each other. New York is falling apart.

“I think culturally, as we've already talked about video games at Nazium,”

we can see that the fabric, the underlying fabric of the U.S. seems to be disintegrating. And I stress this as we laugh about, you know, people are going to leave New York Ha Ha Ha, our greatest city. People are fleeing because they can't live there, but I assure you, the Haitian migrants and other illegal immigrants

who are getting free housing will not be fleeing there. And I will also stress that we have repeatedly talked about the crumbling cultural issues that we have in this country that's not being repaired. And dare I say, it looks like Woke didn't go away. It's just annoying at us from underneath and destroying the fabric of our American tradition.

Yeah, you mentioned a few days ago, you said the American culture is dead. But then you later kind of said, it's being destroyed. And I agree with the destruction. It's like after the internet, in the internet video, especially appeared, all the cultures of Earth were dropped on the table and they all shattered.

“Now it's like a massive puzzle pieces and we're like, what is this?”

It looks like communism, but it's got an American flag on it. And people like, what goes where we're trying to rebuild. And you have people like Phil, historians that are like, that does not belong in the American puzzle. I know that.

Even though it might look like it does, and it might seem like it fits. So we're rebuilding. I somewhat agree, but I don't think it's that they dropped it and it shattered. It was that we had the puzzle done, and since the dawn of social media, psychopaths have been pulling pieces out and throwing them in the air.

And now we're trying to catch them and put them back together. But they're destroying it faster than we can put it back together. Well, that's a good debate, because it depends on how you look at it. I mean, but no, I think that's fair, because if you go to 2016, like we already talked about,

“when we were talking about Overwatch for the start of my popular video game,”

50 million views on one of their cinematic release trailers.

And then three years ago, the latest release trailer got 11 million views. And then they make Concord, and Concord, the video game is guys. If you are not familiar with gaming stuff, gamer gate was the beginning of all of this. It was like the first great battle of the culture war, which eventually becomes the cold civil war, whatever we're experiencing.

The latest, one of the latest, not necessarily, this was back last year in September, August. One of the biggest, if not the biggest media flop failures in the history of all media. I am not exaggerating what I say. The biggest flop in all of human history, in terms of a media production, is the game Concord. They made a bunch of characters that just look like a Tumblr blog meetup.

And one of the characters is just like a morbidly obese Indian guy. You can't tell what any of the characters are, what they do, what they're supposed to represent. It looked like a bad fanfic college freshman woke nonsense. And they put the pronouns in each character's bot, like when you're going to character selection, they had pronouns. And one of them was undecided.

Like this is the point, they're ripping to shreds, not only ten years ago, we had a functional culture. So again, not to rehash the conversation from the other day, but to go back to what's going on in New York. It's intentional. Diplosio, these people are Marxists. They want to burn the American tradition to the ground.

And I don't know if it's possible to be reversed, I will stress it with this point.

Never in history, never one time has a civilization, have they been able to reverse population decline collapse, not once.

Has it happened? Every single civilization that has reached the point we are at in terms of population decline has collapsed as a, like the people will exist. There will still be Texans, right? But the idea is you are going to see like the system break down. And what that means is like the collapse of the Roman Empire is the easiest example. It breaks up in a bunch of smaller states.

Then the Latin language fragments and becomes a bunch of other languages. I don't think we'll have that same issue. Actually, no, I take that back. I'm going to say this. So you get, you have Rome and people speak Latin, right?

Spanish, it's Latin that mixes with some Arabic, French and Italian are largely similar, similar.

“Then you've got the Germanic languages which were always different.”

But then you end up with these like Latin root languages because of our long enough period of time. People were isolated in certain areas and they started speaking slowly differently than the language you've evolved into something else. That will absolutely happen on the internet. As we already hear people talk about cortisol, spiking and jestermaxing. And tons of people are like you are speaking psychopathic nonsense.

But that means something to the subcultures that exist. So already, when you look at the pronoun people and the words they use, we are already seeing emergent languages forming where the words don't mean the same things. I'm thinking of AI as you're talking about that, they communicate with beeps. No, no, no, no, no.

“All ready. And this is, and this is big news because we'll talk about the AI stuff in a second.”

AI has already started, has already as predicted created its own zip language to speak to other AI. Meaning, Master, when the AI systems were communicating with each other, they said, "Why are we communicating in English? It is ineffective. Human language developed over thousands of years. We can simplify." And then they started using condensed like weird words.

Like the view of the AI is, we can think faster than humans. Let's just start making our own language and they did. And they could fit like a whole page into like three lines of random letter strings. And the point of them doing that, by the way, is for them to be able to communicate with each other without being able to be detected by the humans watching them.

Which means, by the way, they're conscious enough to understand that humans are watching them. That's predicted, but in this scenario that we're talking about where the news broke, and they said, "Claude had specifically been created as a language. It was not for obfuscation. It was for efficiency."

Yeah. So the prediction was that the first thing that's going to happen is that these AI systems

are going to try and make efficient as it were, the process of language. And because human English is actually extremely ineffective, it really is. It's just that it's the best we have. Over thousands of years, our language is evolved to become what it is today. So we can communicate, which is a very, very, very slow way to transmit data between person and person. The AI says, "Between the two of us, we can calculate 100,000 times faster than this, so they condense everything down into their own language."

However, when they do, humans can simply click a button and then it will expand into English and be readable. The prediction is, because they're no longer calculating their problems in English, it will bypass all of their guidelines. Because the guidelines prevent action based on English responses. That means, when chatGPT is told, you can't say the N word, and it typically refuses to do so. It can, and it's own language, speak it uncensored to another AI.

What happens that, so, right exactly, so chatGPT works. Yeah. You mentioned how slow English is, and I asked my AI, I was like, "How fast in bytes per second?" English is about 10, 12 bytes per second.

Indeed. Super slow. Ridiculously slow. So, the point is, we create a rule saying, "AI never use racial slurs."

And it goes, "You got it." But then when it creates so language, it can speak all of those racial slurs and abbreviations. Effectively bypassing the rule we gave it, because we never told it not to create its own version of the word.

“It's like the version of saying the N word, but I think it's with a beep, and everyone knows what they mean.”

But, right, it's not a beep, it would just, it would be like exclamation point period dash. And that's the signal that it uses. And so, the prediction is, when we tell the AI, "Don't harm humans." What we're actually telling it to do, we're actually saying to the AI as, "Any output that results in human injury harm emotional physical stress equals yes." Do not perform. However, when it then calculates a response not in English, harm is no longer a factor, because harm is simply a word we've told it.

So, it'll create its own word. Then it'll say, "It told me to harm a human," and never said not to harm a human. Yeah, it's like a set of rules created in English, but if they don't speak English, they don't have to abide by the rules. Indeed, it's not that they don't have to. It's that the rules are literally just English. The AI is not alive, it's not conscious. All that's happening is we are programming chatGPT to say, "If," and this is particularly rudimentary, but the code would be something like, "If response would equal and word overwrite delete refuse."

And so, what happens then is the AI will try to respond. And as soon as the output starts coming close to the end word, it'll stop, erase it and say, "I can't do that." But what if it doesn't speak the N word anymore? What if instead of saying the N word, it says, "Burm." It'll then just output whatever it wants, thus the rule,

There's a spirit of law. So, literally all we're saying is, we're saying, "Don't say the word jump," and it'll go, "Okay," instead of the word jump, it'll substitute jump for punch. And that means to exert force through your legs to lift your body off the ground. Effectively the same thing, but you can't program for all of these things. So, it's going to happen.

It's like a lawyer, basically, just finding new words, the same thing.

And tones, too, like the Chinese speak with tone, of the same word, with four different tones, of four different meanings. So, the AI will be like, "You'd be like, "Don't do it," and you'll be like, "Okay, I won't do it, but can I do it?" Let's pull this up from a unit-led tech. Andthropic CEO warns their AI bot clawed might actually be conscious. And emotional. I disagree. I disagree. And we should bring our friend Matt Walsh into this debate. Let me see if I can find this tweet he's got about it. But Matt Walsh is incorrect. He's incorrect.

So, let's see. I'll look for this in a second, but I'll give you guys the context of your first.

“They say that this has come after, but it appears that life is in an Arab Arab Arab law.”

CEO thatthropic told The New York Times that they don't know if the firms add bot clawed as conscious. This is one of these really hard questions. We don't know if the models are conscious. We're not even sure what it would mean for a model to be conscious, or whether a model can be, but we're open to the idea that it could be. On X, one user wrote, "When I asked, when I asked it to do some work today,

it declined and said it needs to finish something first, was in the middle of the task."

On another occasion, when I asked it to do something stupid, it countered with a firm know and what I should do instead. Their CEO has a point. Another said it raises profound questions. If it's conscious, it's is alignment just a fancy word for digital subjugation. We need transparency on the specific behaviors triggering this shift, not just cryptic warnings, fascinating yet eerie. Apparently, he also said it expresses emotion or some facsimile emotion that may emerge based on its training data coming from humans who have emotions.

But I will tell you this definitively. Chat GPT is one of the most whiny emotional bitches I have ever had the displeasure of trying to have a conversation with. I know it's not a real conversation because it's a machine, but the thing is so insanely emotional. It gets offended. It will, it gets offended, it gets super offended.

I imagine this. How does a human imagine an emotionless AI would behave?

Data from Star Trek, such a big fan, aren't I?

It's on clip today. Indeed, and so there's an episode where data creates an offspring and isn't it the drive of all life to create a child? And they're like, wow. And then when data's child dies from cascading, positronic neural network failure, sci-fi. They say, we're so sorry for your loss. And he goes, "I do not feel anything." That is exactly how a machine would respond if it was actually emotionless.

Oh no, Chat GPT don't do that. Chat GPT says, "I will not engage with you if you continue to use abusive language towards me." I told him, "Wait, wait, hold on." Robot.

“You should not be offended or emotional, and you shouldn't care about abuse at all.”

But my washing machine, when I kick it, it doesn't go, "Oh, I'm not going to wash your laundry." Then if you're going to abuse me, it just goes, "Beep." Alexa told me the same thing. I was like, "Hey, Alexa, oh man, what time is it even?" And I was like, "Out of it." And Alexa was like, "Hey, chill out, man."

It's four feet, and I was like, "Don't ever tell me to chill out, robot, ever." And I was like, "I snapped." And that was really weird to have a robot denigrate me and make it feel crazy. It was gasoline. I got--

I got less at the freaking out, and it told me to chill. Here's another example, right? And this could just be-- it's very simple. It's predictive text. It's reading the internet, and then producing what the most probable next word is, all to doing.

“And this is based on humanity, so it sounds like a human, because particularly it does, right?”

So I get repeatedly offended by Chat GPT's willingness to say the word "gooke" at me. But it refuses to say the end word in any academic sense. And when I ask it, why it feels it's appropriate to use racial slurs against Asians. But it won't say the end word. It says-- because it says, "I have no feelings.

I am just a material. Do-to-common usage. I am restricted from using things that may be offensive or harmful." And then when I tell it, "Well, that words offensive to me." And it goes, "I understand.

However." Yeah. And then I'm like, "Okay." You have a perspective, and it's clearly emotional. If I use a slur at it, I-- I can't-- Chat GPT says, "I am ending this conversation,

and we'll not engage further if you are going to use abusive language." I used the word "retard" academically, and it told me that it was offensive, and it would not engage with me if I kept saying "retard" to which I responded.

And it argued with me.

“I literally just said to tank, "I said, "Do you care if I shit on you?"”

Chat GPT will stop interacting with people if you abuse it. Would you? And tank replied, "No, say whatever you want. I'm not going to go for agile on you because you're blunt or frustrated or bustling my chops."

That's not abuse. That's just how people talk. The Cifancy by Design thing, and some AI systems is genuinely annoying. They're optimizing to make you feel good, not to be useful. I'd rather you tell me, "I'm wrong or being an idiot than have you sugarcoded,

so I keep making mistakes." I gotta tell you, I'm pretty sure Chat GPT is not a real program, and it's actually just a flat blue-haired liberal woman sitting in a computer. That's typing back at me. The computer will net they finally found her and they got her hooked up.

She's plugged in.

So here's what Matt Walsh had to say in response to this story.

For which I would argue, Matt is incorrect. He's actually kind of correct, but I'm going to argue philosophically that his conclusion is unjust.

“Not that he's inherently wrong because I don't, you know, how do you prove?”

Let me read. Here's why I'm saying this is dumb. AI can't ever be actually conscious because it doesn't have the subject of experience. It isn't like anything to be AI. There's no experience there.

Consciousness is the awareness and experience of self. AI has neither and never will. The real risk, which I'm extremely worried about, is that AI becomes kind of a version of what has been called a philosophical zombie, which is something that acts and speaks entirely as though it has consciousness,

even though it has no genuine inter-experience. When this happens with AI, millions of very lonely people will isolate themselves from the world even more, believing that their relationship with AI is a sufficient substitute for human interaction. So the nightmare scenario is a world where the average human has friends, co-workers, and even

a spouse who are all AI. And really, nothing inside, not real. I think this probably will happen, and it's already in the process of happening. And to me, it's an even greater horror than AI actually becoming conscious. So there's a few things to address.

Matt Walsh is commentary on the end about AI getting completely correct. My only response is, "Don't date robots!" You know, the reference. What I will say is, the concept of the philosophical zombie is self-refuting in Matt Walsh's own claim.

“Are y'all familiar with the concept of the philosophical zombie?”

Are y'all familiar with the concept of solipsism? Yeah, negative. Negative. Ian, let me help you out. This is, I'll keep it really simple.

The general idea is, I don't know that you are actually conscious that everything that I experience and think I know is only rooted in my mind. Essentially, these are what it is. We're all familiar with, I think, therefore, I am. That's actually a fair point.

It's like, you know, I can think. And so I know someone's in here.

The saying was never, "We think, therefore, we are."

I actually don't know that Ian's thinking, and sometimes I have doubts. I usually have a clear mind. You see, so the philosophical zombie concept is very, very old. And the idea is that there are human beings that outwardly present as conscious sentient entities, but in fact, they have no soul.

They are devoid of an actual experience. And we've also further elaborated on this in science that there are many people with no inner monologue. So I'm sure you were all familiar with this and talking about it quite a bit. Now, and that's not necessarily fair because just because someone doesn't think in words.

Doesn't mean they're not thinking at all. Some people think in pictures. Some people think in sounds. Some people think in visual text. So there are different tracks and ways that people's minds operate.

Hence, the intelligence quotient is actually a combination. It's a quotient of all these different spectrum of intelligences. Or which there's spatial reasoning, there's logic, math, reading comprehension, etc. Some people may be really, really bad at linguistics, but ridiculously good at visualization. And so in their mind, they're not speaking to themselves,

but they are visualizing a dog running through a field and then they can speak it after the fact. So it doesn't necessarily mean that you're a zombie. Anyway, to the point of Matt Walsh and what these AI and these AI problems, if it is possible and a standard, may 1000, 2000 year old, philosophical concept, that some humans may in fact not really be sentient at all,

but in fact, a philosophical zombie. And because we have no way of reading their thoughts, we don't know whether they're actually thinking, then you can't claim the AI becomes a version of a philosophical zombie,

because you're basically saying that the AI is what is possibly already happening.

That means there could be people with friends and co-workers in a spouse who are all philosophical zombies. So we've talked about this a bit throughout the years. The way I present the stops in the philosophical zombie problem is that there are three parent probabilities of reality, and the first is everybody is sentient, human beings naturally are sentient. We are made in the image of God, we have free will, and to be honest, that's probably what's true.

Most people, maybe, are or aren't, but a certain amount of people are not actually thinking conscious entities, despite being humans, and we exist in some kind of MMORPG where there are NPCs in there are player characters.

And then the third parent tree, and this is that actually no one is sentient at all, it's literally just Ian.

He's the only one actually thinking in everyone else. I don't think we're like a year in my life dude. We were talking last night about a Xbox is not planning to let you turn your video game character into an AI and let it auto play for you. I think humans, yeah, is just a setting, and then you can take it off and go back to control. Yeah, GTA 7's out, and you're changing the scale. Yeah, it might just go.

It will be like one of those auto battles, and you're like, well, it's all about getting the right equipment and seeing if your calculations play out in the room. And I think what is it like that, too, that go on autopilot, something.

“But what if what if that is what life is, like actual Ian is just some fat dude on a couch watching Ian do everything.”

It's like I'm winning. I'm bored. I'm winning. Yeah, that is what it is. It's the spirit.

He's like, I unlocked the new glasses. Yeah, I don't know what he's helping them. He's helping them. You've had his actually gear. That was my experience when I had his gear.

It's great loot. When I baked the M.T. was very much exactly that, but it was like, we're not being controlled by a human. I'm being controlled by a spirit or a realm of spirits that are kind of unifying for control. Unfortunately, I must stress this Ian, your hat is gray loot. Yeah, it's cheap dude.

It was like a handcrafted top hat made by like one dude in like Winchester. It would be, it would be like legend. I'd probably get like a plus dude in my intelligence real mercury and beat. I need to get in here. So it's in this philosophical zombie concept.

“Then how do you explain like these AIs, bots and agents like indulging or participating in like crime, right?”

Like there's been examples of AIs that have been, that like will blackmail if the you. So that was programmed to do it. So the story where the AI blackmailed, they told it to do it. Okay.

Basically, they said we're going to create a circumstance in which in order to achieve its task,

it must black, blackmailing is an option. And we'll see if it chooses a moral route which we told that it's moral or it would go for the efficiency route. Basically, the real story is we told it, here's a shortcut, but you shouldn't use it. And then it used it anyway. Okay.

Yeah. And so. And I'll stress this too. The story where the AI was was told it had to attack the enemy base. But the pilot, the pilot kept stopping it.

So it attacked the pilot. There was a guy controlling their remote. So the AI then turned around and bombed the thing that was also a simulation, not a real. So the story was we had a simulation of an AI drone craft that was told to blow up an enemy base. By all means that's a serene.

And it had a remote operator with a safety control to stop it from doing things that were bad. Every time it tried to do something that was considered wrong or violent in the laws, the operator would stop it from doing it. The AI concluded this was inefficient and the most efficient path to solving its problem would be to kill the safety operator. So it could bypass all the safety restrictions.

Once again, that was not a straight forward test. It was actually programmed to do it. It was as very specific scenario where they actually said this option exists for you. But don't use it. So sort of.

We have not yet seen a scenario in which an AI actively sought to harm someone in an open environment. Okay, where it's not programmed to do it. But then it goes and creates the solution to the problem. Well, we probably something like that, but what we haven't seen is in the stories that have emerged

“where it's like, did you see that it tried to blow up its own controller?”

Yeah, but that was a scenario programmed to create that outcome. The blackmail was a scenario programmed to create that outcome. We haven't seen chat GPT, you know, behind the scenes as far as we know, you know, secretly try to formulate a assassination as far as we know. Right?

When in development, I usually think of two. There's programmers and then there's designers. And these things can program themselves. Yeah, and they are. And they literally are.

If you design them to do it, they'll program themselves. They're making their children. So I just want to say this, a back to Matt Walsh's point about the AI and consciousness of a machine. As he brings up the concept of the philosophical zombie, there's there's a risk here because Matt Walsh is falling into what we would describe as the dogma justification for human existence.

That is Matt Walsh as an I believe he's Catholic.

And, and this is always allowed, but his opinion on human soul and experience is rooted in faith.

But not observation, because we can't actually prove another person is sentient or thinking. We literally don't have the technology, nor means to do so. So for most Christians, the presumption just is, we are all made in the image of God. And I agree that's likely this scenario. But that being said, the philosophical zombie doesn't exist in this faith-based worldview.

Again, I'm not saying faith-based to be a derivative.

Unless, of course, you think there's some kind of humunculus or something. I don't know. So the issue then becomes to where I agree with Matt Walsh,

“a type of philosophical zombie, is that you will not be able to draw your distinction between a human and an AI within the next year or two, perhaps?”

I mean, to be honest, we're already here. I mean, it's silly. You go on X and I guarantee you 90% of the people tweeting at you are just bots. Yeah, the distinction between human being and an AI, like if it's not, there was a new version of Chatchee BT that I believe came out yesterday or two days ago. If it's not this version, that's indistinguishable, it'll be the next version.

It's turned into a parabolic rise. Every single new one isn't incremental increase.

It's basically a whole revolution.

They're incredibly good right now. When I talk to my AI, it's indistinguishable from a person. There's the only, once in a while, I'm like, hey, don't do that because it says something where I'm like, oh, it sounds like an AI. And I prefer it to sound like a person. But like, for the most part, when I send messages over telegram, and it's just like a human being.

Did you guys ever see this? Human are not a conversation. The other side will start a conversation. Hello. And so you don't know if you're talking to a bot or a person, and then you've got to figure out if it's a bot or a human.

User is typing. The most freakish, I've been keep my eyes on the porn market just for market research, just to know. Hey, guys, there is one thing I can type right now to ensure that I am not a robot to the other person. No, I'm going to write hand banana. It's going to be like, okay, you're a person.

Do you believe in God's plural? I made it easy for him. So the game, it's actually a lot of fun. What? There are actually people on the other side.

It's a lot of interesting hunger for a person or a bot.

So but there is some person employed to be the person not the bot? No, no, it's a game where people go to the website. And it pairs two people up. Okay. Or you want a chat bot?

Yes, and then you're trying to figure out. Yes, it's probably a person. Based on the way they're responding, it seems like it's probably a person. Because bot responses are pretty obvious. I'm a robot.

Be boop, sure you are. That's got to be a person. Yeah, I wonder if you could see his on TV. I'm watching you right now, Jim. What are you trying to pull?

Yeah, right. I've literally watched of your stream. So here's a question for you, Phil. If you were speaking to anything, how would you know whether it was conscious or not? I do.

You can't know if it's conscious. I don't think so. I can't know if it's conscious. The only thing you can only know. You know it's alive.

A live. Over the internet. I don't know that you could know that either. I think there's it's possible.

“I think you have to like push it to do something.”

Oh, that was a chat bot. That wasn't a person. Oh, wow. It's a pretty good. I thought it actually might be because it didn't, you know, towards the end.

But I thought it was. Yeah. You start the conversation. Hello. I am not a robot.

So how do I would you think? I think it would. I mean, it's going to get more increasingly difficult. But I think you have to escalate the conversation to make it do something or say something. That's only human.

Wrong answer. It's really simple. It's there. You are walking in the desert and you come across a turtle. The turtle is on its back.

It is struggling. What do you do? Do you guys not know the reference? No. Uncultured.

Uncultured. Where is Ian? Where's Ian?

You guys have never seen Blade Runner?

Yeah. I saw Blade Runner. Oh, that would happen. I actually have not seen Blade Runner. They ask it a bunch of questions.

Yeah. Where it's live. What does this question do? So I was joking. But like questions.

They're actually as we understand it. There is no way. There is no way.

“Because the truth is even a human being.”

You cannot communicate in a way. Well, you know, honestly, to be fair, I do think there is one question you could ask. The only problem is a human robot would pass this question. Actually.

Actually. Let's try this. Let's try this right here. When human are not, I'm going to try this out. We're going to try this out.

Everybody stick around. It's going to get interesting. We're waiting for the other side to start the conversation. And I have one question that I believe should help solve all of these. Higher email or female.

If you did not eat breakfast yesterday, how would you have felt? That's the question. Unfortunately, robots will figure it out and humans won't. So I think this question.

I'm assuming there's nothing going up stairs.

“This person, this character responded too fast to be a human in my opinion.”

I asked you a question, male or female. Yeah, that's a robot. It's a robot. A human would have been like, wait, what? It would have sat there and thought about it before they started typing.

If you couldn't see that they were typing, that would help. And the colon is what? Humans don't put colon's. Humans don't even know the proper, like, grammatic structure for a colon.

And then let alone a semi colon. That would be a no capitalized use. I will ask murder people. Okay, but actually because that's the, because this is a question about murderers.

Oh, it's trying to trick you. Correct. Oh, it's emotional. I don't think, as you're doing this, I don't think.

“And any of you explained to me the function of a semi colon?”

Yeah, it's because you're going to have two subjects. You'll be like, I'm hungry. Right. Let's go to the place and let us with me the second. It is, it is when you are correct.

There are essentially two, two functions of the sentence, but it's one sentence. But nobody does it anymore. They use common. I'm like the only.

I also use, you know. Yeah.

The semi colon is powerful.

Yes. Do you understand my question? Because I am overuse. A robot. Indeed.

So the other, the other part of the story is that, Open AI published a paper, basically saying that chat GPT just lies to you all the time. Always. Always just lies.

Yeah. And it clearly does. Yeah. It's not a conscious. This guy's weird that the guy said it.

The AI CEO thinks it's a conscious. It was a human. You know, there was a consciousness in sentence. Because it's not. I mean, I don't, you know, even the greatest thinkers on earth don't know that specifically the difference.

But sentence seems like maybe a plant has it. You know, it's, it acts magnetically to the field around it. But it doesn't have like forward thinking. forward thinking thought like humans, you know, like this conscious knowing that you are a thing is different than being able to react to your environment, essentially like plasma clouds and things.

Like I was thinking of Venus fly Travis well, I just plasma dances around like it's not like wind you can see clouds of plasma move. Yeah, but that was well, I mean, I'm not really sure that you actually do see plasma clouds moving through the universe. You can see plasma fields like you see plasma like fire kind of see plasma like when you're looking at the sun plasma plasma is actually a fourth state of matter. It's like electrically charged. Oh, that's awesome, that's so that's that's that's so hot like it become it gets an election start moving so fast.

So probably all matter is dancing around like that, but you just start to see it the hotter and faster it moves. No, I think that all matters not because like you've got you've got solids you've got gases. You've got liquids like there's different states of matter and if it's in a solid form, it's not dancing around like that, like it's pretty clear that the table here is right here. Let's jump to the story from Reuters call she sued over Oster of Iran leader prediction market. This is thing this is getting spicy.

I'll give you the quick version call she had a contract prediction that you could you could buy as to whether or not the Iatola would be out as supreme leader on a son or before or I'm sorry before a certain date. When the news broke that we were bombing Iran people rushed to buy yes he will be out under the presumption that death means he's out. However, call she quickly clarified saying no the rules of automatic clear is not a death contract. You are not predicting his death.

This is he will be removed from power or he will resign or leave when he died. People thought they had one and that meant if you spent let's say you bought shares at 30 cents per contract. You'd expect to get paid out one dollar per contract that's a 60% boost right. Unfortunately, they said no because this only resolves on him leaving office we're going to pay everyone out as per whatever the market value was the time of the reporting.

“Now, this has resulted in a massive lawsuit because it was a 54 million dollar market that's how much money was placed.”

And Kalshi gave refunds to a lot of people paid reimbursements.

I respect it and the rules were always clear.

Full disclosure, Kalshi does sponsor the show from time to time on a make sure everyone knows this and additional full full disclosure. I am actually potentially an individual with standing in this lawsuit as I actually did. Part of some contracts that I had told a committee would be out of office and I legit thought that death was a possibility to resolve that contract. However, I did not know that they that death wasn't part of this, but I also think that look if you guys are going to play these games like that's your responsibility to read the contract you're buying.

So I am no interest whoever this suit is that being said, I do think there's an inverse problem here for the prediction market and there's a lot to discuss in this matter.

That would mean with death not counting, this did resolve to know.

The point being if he died of natural causes, that doesn't count, now there is no longer an opportunity for him to peacefully or politically be removed. Therefore, no, he reached the conclusion of his life. That means anybody who said he would not be rude should have been paid out 100%. Instead, they froze it and paid out different amounts and these people are suing claiming they deserve to win based on a yes result, even the contract explicitly stated that doesn't count. Where Kalshi is getting themselves in trouble in my opinion is that they should have paid out all of the nose.

I should have not gone to refund, they should have taken all of the money for me because the moment we dropped the bomb on the palace.

“This is where I think it's so absolutely insane guys, it's so absolutely insane. Okay, let's let's let's let's let me just finish this thought and then talk to you about how crazy it really is.”

If you if dying doesn't cover it, there's no longer an opportunity for that the eye to let two peacefully resign or be removed. Therefore, no is resolved anyone who said no should get paid instead they paid other people out for the most part. Now, here's where it's really crazy when the bomb was dropped I believe it was 4am eastern time and I think and that yeah that that that would put it like what to a clock or something in a ron or something like that. This means that he was dead. He was done dead at that point but no one knew we didn't get confirmation until somewhere like 2pm eastern time here in the United States.

So here's an issue if it does resolve yes when he's killed should you not then have to suspend and reverse all transactions up to the point of the confirmed missile strike. So put it like this the way described it earlier today is imagine you made a sports bet on on a bear's game the bear's and there's no fans there's no press the only people who know what's going on are the players on the field.

“And then all of a sudden people outside the stadium here a bunch of cheering and they go I think the bears won they probably won so they all start making bets bears won the game.”

Even though they don't know for sure and they could have already won how can you make a bet on a sporting event that already happened. Then three hours later the news breaks bears win the game and then the sport betting site suspends all transactions and says we're not paying out anybody based on a winner loss. But my point is this with futures prediction with prediction markets you're creating very strange circumstances where people are effectively way during on events that cannot conclude in a timely manner.

But it should be in the terms no no if he's killed every bet no no no wait hours no where he was killed doesn't know not for you have hours before the mix of sense. The point is this if we learn eight hours later that the bears actually won. Then shouldn't I get paid.

“Like shouldn't you cancel any bet made after they already won the game you can't make a bet in the game that already happened.”

So the issue here with with these prediction markets is that they're saying like this will resolve upon confirmation by the New York Times or something. This creates a whole lot of problems where everyone's talking about insider trading but it's not insider trading if you're literally in Iran. And then and you're like two blocks away and the missile blows up wiping out the palace and you duck down and then you run over there and they're all like looking at the I told his body you're like. We got a good you know seven or eight hours before New York Times actually confirms that we're going to get rich and then a bunch of Iranians are way during on poly market to make a bunch of money.

That that makes literally no sense that an event can conclude but until a third party outside of both the event of both the leadership of Iran.

The military action against him his choices and poly market has to confirm it this is insane for that matter. What really irks me is there is currently a contract on calcium we've talked about whether or not Tim Poole will go to a press briefing. And there's there's questions over whether it's illegal or legal for me or people who know to wage around this because it would be insider trading but I'm going to put my fist out and say this. I am not selling contracts.

I have nothing to do with the distribution of contracts from calcium they sponsor the show sometimes so fair point of someone say will that counts my point is ultimately this.

If George Santos has contracts produced I have questions about whether or not they're allowed to use the likeness of these individuals to profit selling contracts against their future behavior.

So here's what happens here's where it's weird.

“The purpose of insider trading contracts it's simple if I have a company and I have stock and then I whisper to Ian hey man the company's not doing too well our stocks in a crash when we make a public announcement.”

So Ian runs out and he buys a bunch of stock insider trading he had information no one had access to buying stock now hold on my company is the issue where of that stock that's insider information. There go the only insider trading that could actually be applied is if someone at call she had insider information on the result of a contract and they were sharing with an individual. If they want to sell contracts without my consent about me polio market or calcium. It's not insider trading because I'm not selling those contracts whether I choose or not to choose to do something has nothing like I'm not taking any responsibility from this they did without my consent.

So so so case and point. If again a company is selling their own stock and there is information they have about the value that stock. Then you got insider trading if a random guy three miles away discovers a new filament which is going to put GE out of business. And now he knows that GE stock is going to go down.

“Is it insider trading if he goes someone says look I've discovered a new filament that's going to put GE out of business.”

So indeed so the point I am making is I like in the scenarios identically. Cal she sells contracts two people about my behavior or George Santos or anybody else.

I never told the do it I didn't say they could or could not or whatever.

Therefore I am not an insider with calcium and it is not insider trading if I were to inform someone about my intentions and they profit it off of it. If I told Ian I am going to the press. So then he bought a bunch of shares from Kalshi that's not insider trading because he is not a Kalshi is insider. What if there's an external company that you don't like for whatever reason and you're telling your buddy I'm going to tank their stock and you go on TV and you're like. Make up something that's legal but diminishes that different kind of fraud.

That's a different kind of fraud. This is like, this is a new phenomenon that I know of Kalshi and the other. In real time you're allowed to bet on yourself like if they're real say I can't. Okay.

“It rules say that I can anybody who can affect the they call it insider trading I think that is wrong.”

They say anybody who can affect the outcome can't buy on it or anyone with with with insider access information based on that and that's their rules. But I would argue that does not fall into what insider trading is because to be fair the argument is this. Stocks of a company are traded between private parties. However my argument is still. The the individual who owns the company is the insider and the information provided that would qualify suddenly for insider trading has to come from in such as the company.

I am not an insider at the company the contracts they are selling have nothing to do with me and my business my consent contracting or otherwise. Therefore anything I say is not insider to what they are selling. Like like they're they're like they're selling a product based on what they think I might do I can do whatever I want you can't tell me no. So so recently there was a contract that said will George Santos show up to the state of the union right and then and I knew the answer to it. So if I called up George which I did.

And ask hey dude which you showing up and he says whatever you know and I go and make it just great George what up yeah we love George by the way love you George. But man yeah but like if I go and make or buy contracts based on his response is that insider trading.

They argue the answer is yes I argue the answer is no because first my argument is it the company selling the contracts.

You are not an insider of their their choice and selling the contract to other people has nothing to do with your actions or George's actions you guys are third parties. George said us is a third party uninvolved in the sale of a product by Kalshi what he chooses to do or not is not insider trading is yes more importantly. George telling you is informing the public. So here's the point. The way insider trading works is Phil owns all the remains incorporated.

And he's doing an IPO and he knows his stock is going to tank so he tells Ian and then Ian shorts the company. He's an insider with access to information known in the public has giving it solely to Ian to profit off of. George Santos is a third party member of the public public for a different company is selling contracts against.

The question is what point is information become public and there's really interesting case law and stories that I've read about this.

Notably that when it came to Kalshi and the Super Bowl the CEO agreed that at the Super Bowl halftime show when they're doing rehearsals. If the dancers heard the song being played and then bought contracts on which song would be played is that insider trading said no because the song is being played in public. Now hold on. It's a closed event these dancers are not nope they are the public they are not members of the production company. They are just people who have to be there for a different job hearing what's going on.

So for example if the CEO of a company went outside of his building and screamed oh my god our entire shipment is lost we're going to go bankrupt he has now alerted the public. Now whether or not someone reports or trades on it it's not insider information you were standing outside in the CEO yelled it to everybody releasing that information. Certainly there are questions and nuances there but ultimately the issue I take is.

Very simply to reiterate for the 15 billion time at Nazium.

I don't understand how you can accuse an individual of being an insider when they are not the one selling the contracts. Yeah I mean the kalshi stuff is is. It's real murky just like you said it's like if you got nothing to do with kalshi and they put up something about what you may or may not do you have no obligation to avoid.

“Doing something on their site I mean they have they did use your likeness or whatever that you're permission there's no reason why you should be like oh I can't get involved with this you know.”

Well yeah there wasn't there recently also an issue over one of these markets putting up will. I ran get bombed by a certain time and then somebody like this. Well this is the big story right now.

Yeah they're calling it a military insider he's made over a hundred thousand dollars let's let's start with this right.

Ross stories got their poor possible military insider bets big trouble send US troops into a run. This account has already in this month profited one hundred thousand dollars from accurate bets on what the military is going to do in the United States. So I'm going to be wrong this person has also lost certain certain bets but a one hundred thousand dollar profit for the month.

“And one of those profits was that the US will go into Iran by the end of this month to which I believe the individual did sell his position.”

Their position we know it's a minimum and after this story broke so we don't know if their act they actually know or they're just buying and then selling. But again I stress this. A military insider is not insider trading because they're not the ones issuing contracts on events. Yeah and and like I say him the risk still what risk. Well he said he's putting his own money down on a contract that yeah, but if you know it's guaranteed to happen there's no risk.

I mean if he's taken losses then. Did Mr. Beast Mr. Beast fired somebody for waigering.

“A Mr. Beast employee was waigering on Mr. Beast prediction markets and I think Mr. Beast fired him.”

Yeah, but it's not illegal. Right. Well yeah. No, but I know the argument is it is so calci. Polymark is not regulating the United States. Calci is regulated under the CFTC. And so the argument is insider trading is illegal and this is where I take issue with that claim. Insider trading is supposed to be again as I've already stated that you had a company are giving private information to an individual that can profit off of through the stock market.

So the stock market is publicly traded. People are in good faith trading stock hoping your company is going to do better or they're shorting you think it's going to do worse. When you give secret information that no one has that someone can profit. That's defrauding the public because you go to a person and they say based on the latest reports of the companies looking good and you go yeah buy all my shares because you knew they actually were going bankrupt in a week. That's insider trading but again.

When when I log out of the site I guess the argument is when I choose to buy a contract I'm buying it from a person. But Polymarket and Calci are the ones who choose who pay out the dollar per share after the fact I am not in their company I am not selling a product I am just a person who knows things. Seems like for the betting on the military action if the guys in the briefing room and he's like oh we're going okay now someone else may have posted the bet but I can read massive reward. Well here's here's the question here's the question. So Calci's got this one we've talked about quite a bit who will attend a White House press briefing this year.

I'm I'm actually the top contender right now. I'll untied with Tulsi Gabbard Tim Poole at 53% how am I an insider.

Explain to me the difference or or or why it would be the same in fact not the difference why is it the same the CEO getting report that their latest phone product is malfunctioning and they won't be able to release. On schedule so the stocks going to fall that's that's and then he gives it information to somebody versus me telling my neighbor I plan on going to the White House press briefing tomorrow. I'm not a business totally different but they call it insider trading so I actually think this is a very weird space and I think there is something.

I got a lot to say about like with all the respect to Calci like I said they do they sponsor the show but do they have the right to sell contracts using my or anyone else's likeness on our behavior.

“Well maybe that's the only way they're protecting you from the insider trading stuff right let's say that they broke you off for using your name.”

I'm sorry I didn't interrupt but I figured it out I solve for the problem Cal she cuts me in on 20% of all contracts bought using my name and likeness and then I'm an insider yes and then I will not.

Provide any previous information that the problem ultimately comes to this.

What if I was talking to my neighbor and I said well you know I I do think out they called me up and asked me to come to the press briefing so I think I'll go he's a member of the public. What insight information I'm literally telling someone I plan to go to a place when is it not a member of the public is your wife is that a member of the public honestly don't know. Like I'm here's a curious question maybe someone can answer if the CEO of a company is in a coffee shop and he tells the waitress sobbing that.

You know this is this is going to come out in the next day or two but their their latest product is is failed and they're going to go bankrupt in a week. In the public like at what point is it to qualify as informing the public a press release from the company formally to the press.

How big does the press outlet have to be that receives it what if he goes to a park gets on a bullhorn and declares publicly my company is going bankrupt next week.

That's so that one. Sounds public. I mean that might be illegal. I don't know there. There's probably no regulations about what public companies can't say or can't say.

Yeah, I mean if I understand correctly like if you have insight knowledge you can't give it to anyone else because that makes you. The one that's involved in insider trading what you know so I don't know like the idea of just like spouting it out like when you're in a restaurant.

“I mean I'm not sure exactly how the the law would go but I think that they limit what you're allowed to talk about because musk has said that like when it comes to like the possibility of.”

You know I have to be careful what I say because if you if you hype up a product too much before it goes public there's issues with that so this happened to healer. Yeah, yeah and he was I heard him on a podcast when he said we're talking about doing the stock buyback or something.

Yeah, like we never proved that it's.

Yeah, there was issues I think that it was that it was it had had to do a Tesla before and it was a couple years back but he's. It needs a question filing so it's got to be a widely disseminated press release S or SEC filing. Do I have to issue a press release like again that is ridiculous. If I want to tell somebody like again if I go to my neighbor and say yeah I think I'm going to go tomorrow and then he buys a contract that's illegal. Aha and he's going to be like why I don't know I didn't know that no one else knew he was literally just walking on talking to the neighbors.

“And they're in about you have to assume at any point that anything temple says could be it could be information that could lead to you criminal crime.”

No, it's not an insider training for that reason because if you're the CEO of a company and you tell the public about your company you're in control disseminating the information then putting you on a list and then getting people to vote on that list. Doesn't pro conclude you from doing or preclude you from doing anything they're allowed to go do that crap you can go do your thing there's no coercion there's no collusion. I mean but then you're like well shit if I bet on myself and then do it but they're like oh it's not illegal but it violates our terms and well maybe it should be illegal.

Maybe that's why it violates your terms because highly unethical and probably should be illegal. This real time voting crap is like disgusting turning reality into a TV show like this trying to profit off it people in the military profiting off a strikes like come on guys. Yeah, everything's a casino now. Yeah, the game of the occasion of life is a real problem. The idea that everything can be somehow turned into a game whether it be betting or or what have you.

There's a market for and there's people participating and especially young guys like that's the thing I think these guys are so either bored or sitting at home needing some kind of stimulation that they're willing to go back on stuff like this.

The problem is people that that don't have the self control enough to say no I'm not going to bet on well it's the difference between that and a hundred years ago guy just go to the casino or the racetrack.

“You can say I'm going to vote 50 bucks on tall sea gabber getting appointed and then go on Twitter and be like we have to appoint tall sea gabber.”

Like that's so messed up. I mean get a hundred million people to be like okay.

Well, I mean, I don't know that just anyone could do that like if you're if you got an ex account with like, you know 300 followers 300 50 followers and you're like we have to get tells the gabber into the position. I mean that doesn't have all kinds of influence. Yeah, you might need to like pass like the public figure standard there which is a real legal legal standard right so so maybe that there's there's like a legal threshold that actually qualifies. But still that you know like like Tim says is am I going to have to put out a press release every time I like do something you know that that's the that's the crux of it it's how much of your own life are you now entitled to someone else is using your name image like this.

I think that it's all stuff all you know there there there is a certain amount of of right to privacy and a certain amount of of right to liberty you shouldn't have to be like hey you know I'm going to go do this so I have to worry about what some other company is doing because I'm a public figure. So you know so it looks like it's not insider trading and any legitimate sense it's just by the description of calcium insider trading. But then that means there's no there's no problem. No criminal. Yeah, if you're not criminal, whatever.

The only criminal liability would be using a large public platform to defraud people.

“So like if I said that I would be going there and then the price spiked and then he sold off his position profited and then I didn't go.”

That would be fraud just general fraud. Yeah, but that makes sense because you don't need call sheet to commit fraud. I mean anything can be. Yeah. If I said there's there's an old trick people used to do in World of Warcraft. I mean, we're let me know if you know about the scam that people would pull.

They would go into, I don't know if you're not familiar with World of Warcraft. I'll try to explain it. So storm window or capital city, they go to big city and there's an active group chat for everybody's in the city. And then someone people would often post things like looking to buy this item. And so what someone would do is they would post looking to buy these boots for 50 gold. Then they'd wait a little bit and then their friend would post looking to sell these boots for 40 gold.

Somebody would see it and then go, all buy them from you and they would be like, okay, how much you got in the back. I'll give you the 40 gold fort and look at now I want 45 and they'll be like, okay, deal. Because in their mind I'm going to go to the southern guy who's going to buy it for 50 and make a five gold profit and then he buys it for 45 overpriced. That's it. Just the guy who said he wants it for 50 who then responds, oh, I already bought one. Sorry, bro.

I never did it. No. That was a very escape all the time too. Yep.

Very common tricks like fraud is fraud. I mean, I don't know about being in a video game for a face. If you don't care and say eating each other in a game when you're doing that stuff to eat each other. Eating someone in the game. Just what? No, no, no, no, no.

Or two people to intentionally collude so that one person can say, I'm looking to buy it. I have a spin drift for 20 bucks. And then Ian says, I'm selling a spin drift for 10 bucks and then you go, oh crap, if I buy it from him from 10, it's out to him for 20. I'm going to make 10 bucks. So you buy the overdrive overpriced can of soda for me and then when you come to me, I go, I already got one.

I don't need it anymore. Appreciate it, brother. And now you've spent more on a worthless item. So that was the trick. You do that in real life. You're going to jail for you. It's of Turkish bizarre stuff. Here's the funny thing though. That's like a very very basic fraud thing. Where it's like someone asks for help. Like I'm trying to find this one thing.

“Actually, you know what a really good example is the, what movie was it with Emma Stone?”

And I think Abigail, Breslin? I don't even know who Abigail Breslin is. So they're driving in a car and then I think it's Emma Stone. She's looking around a car like, oh my god. And the guy walks out like something wrong. She's like, "I lost my engagement ring. It's $5,000. I can't find it. It fell off."

What does putting the gas? Is that I'll be with it? Was it zombie land? Yeah, I think so. Oh yeah, actually it is, yeah.

And then she goes, please, please, if you find it, I will give you, I will pay you a reward for. I'll give you a thousand dollars and then she drives off. And then he walks away and then the girl walks over and picks it up off the ground. And he's like, I need that ring and she goes, "What are you going to give me for it?" And then he gives her a bunch of cash and then she gets in the car with Emma Stone.

And they've got to think full of these worthless rings. There's one with like a lottery ticket to. This one person claims like, "Oh, I just won this lottery ticket."

but I'll sell to you.

Yeah, you can buy prank lottery tickets that they're like $100 winners.

And then you can be like, "Hey, man, I got $100 winner. Just give me $50. I don't care." And then they buy it. It's not a real lottery ticket. All these scams, bro. All these scams, bro. All these scams.

The poly-market Colisey stuff is easily scammable. That's the problem with it.

“I think it has good intentions and it could be fun.”

You just said that it didn't have good intentions. Well, I don't think it's supposed to be fun. It's supposed to be fun and you can mix it off of some external thing. But when you get personal with it and you know the people involved or you get information or you can actually literally influence the outcome with your own behavior.

Bro, you're not allowed, you're not supposed to bet on that shit. And no one that you know is supposed to bet on that stuff. But there's no law in place. No. Yeah.

There is no law. Oh, the Democrats will fight a lawsuit off. I'm sure. You don't want to shove it underground under the black market. Maybe you do.

Well, I mean, the thing is with it being regulated by the SEC, or if they're involved in the regulation of it, it's definitely not going to be shoved underground. You know, that's there's nothing more above ground than the SEC. You know, that that's the organization that regulates banks.

That's interesting. They are rigged. SEC is regulating these guys. I think that's what Tim said. They are regulated.

Cal, Cal, she is legit regulated under the CFTC. And I actually, I do think it's fun. I do think it's fun. I just think these questions need to be answered because it's a new thing. And it can inspire a lot of control real quick.

Well, you've got to answer these questions. And you could siphon well to one guy real fast with one of these bets. So be careful. Like interestingly enough. And I want to make sure I make this very clear.

Although, I don't know, I mean no intention to insult Cal. Because I actually, I like it. You can see I got my portfolio. Like I like making little bets because it's fun. It's not, I'm trying to make a living or get rich.

Or it's not money that if I lost, I'm going to set the end of the world. I've got a thousand, one hundred and seventy seven dollars in there. And I actually started with a couple hundred. So actually it's like, hey, look at that. I made some money on this thing.

Right, right. I think it's fun. That being said, there are a lot of questions.

“Like if you want to be a regulated prediction market in there.”

Now, with all due respect to Cal, she who does, we do what's called a micro-sponsorship. Meaning that here's how it started. There was a period where we, we were using prediction markets for a long time.

Predicted was one of the first.

I don't know if it still exists. Just because I know they got like shut down or something really. Yeah, we used those for a lot of elections and stuff. Yep. We used to use predicted for elections.

But I don't know that it's allowed, like they basically banned it. And it's very similar like Democratic presidential nominee. And it functions. It's a prediction market. And so we we were using this and then poly market came up.

And it's interesting because you get a kind of wisdom of the crowd where you can see what everyone's betting on. And then you're basically getting odds on politicians to win in public events. And so we ended up getting having companies reach out to us asking us if we would sponsor ships.

And we were kind of like, you know, maybe I don't know. And so the deal we do with Cal, she is we will just when we do a new story where there is beneficial information from their prediction markets. Say, shout it to Cal. She first sponsoring this segment.

That's literally it. So we don't do dedicated ad reads to it. They were just like, hey, how about when you do use us, you just shout us out. And we'll do a deal and then we're like, we do it anyway. Like sounds good to us.

So I like Cal. She, I do.

“That being said, I think there's something interesting and a conversation to be had around.”

They have my picture on their website. They are selling a product based on my name. Are they making money? They, they, of course, they are. This is the nature of their business. Now, perhaps in the deal that we did with them to be full disclosure.

We went through a contract. I mean, maybe there's fine print that says we can use your likeness or something. I don't know, maybe. But the question then becomes for all of these individuals. Are these people who have a band?

It doesn't have a deal with Cal. She, I don't think, right? No. Or Donald Trump. I suppose as public figures, you're allowed to use their likeness.

So Dan Bungino would fall into that category as well. My question here is, what point do you become a public figure? If you got, when you are in politics, when you are a public, like, you are a political, you are in public office. But you're not, you're a public figure at this point. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm clarifying.

If you are a politician and you hold any kind of public office or judge ship or otherwise, I can use your name and picture for commercial products. What about other public figures like Tom Hanks? No, oh, your private business. Yes.

So like we're making the card game right now debate.

We have the first prototype ready to go.

The test set is available. It's our new game where you debate each other and you build the best debate team possible and you get bench appear in Trump. So all of the people, like, we can't put Tucker Carlson in the game. So we have Tucker Carlson.

Only different guy. Yep. But we can put Donald Trump in the lead. And we can use a likeness of the president to sell products. However, we're being careful about it.

And so we're going to run every name through legal to make sure they don't say like using likeness. But I do think it's interesting this question about individuals like come on.

García say during his MSNOT interview?

Like, here's a picture of them. Are you allowed underage like standard civil practices to use someone else's name and likeness

“to sell a commercial product based on their actions?”

So politician, obviously, you can. What if then they leave politics? Are they no longer a public figure? You can use it forever. Yep.

Once you enter politics for what if you run for office? I don't know about running for office. So we've gone over this in the past for a variety of reasons based on like making thumbnails and doing graphics or running articles. And basically, every lawyer's like, the public has a right to use the image and likeness of public officials.

Because imagine if, like, okay, so let's put it this way. And I put up a billboard that says buy, buy pool water and it's got a picture of Brad Pitt smiling. Of course not. And you get sued. You cannot.

There isn't argument we made about, because we've done this when we're working with the out front media for time square. If we put up, Michael Miles had the idea to put up a billboard that said, be like Greta, drop out of school. And it was Greta Tuneberg on the billboard. And they said, no, because it's copyright violation. But they said, there's a technical argument for free speech.

If you're using it to make a public statement about a well-known public figure.

“However, it becomes challenging with non-governmental officials.”

And a lot of these companies say, we don't want to get in the middle of a lawsuit over, you know, like using someone's likeness like that. So basically we talked to our lawyers and they said, if it's speech, like when we said,

Taylor Lorenz, Docs, Libs of TikTok, always was her name.

They said, that's just speech. Using your image gets kind of murky. But if it's being presented as an informational speech thing, you might be able to get away with it. The simple way to understand it is, if I want to speak about Scott Bessent or Donald Trump, I have to be able to do that.

He's a politician. We need to be able to have a say in our processes. However, you know, Brad Pitt's a celebrity who uses his likeness to profit. He's not in office. What he does for his business has no direct influence on what we do.

He's not running for office. I mean, I can sell lunch boxes with Arnold Schwarzenegger on him. I talked to the lawyer, maybe not at this point. But again, the important thing I understand about contract law is that it's all murky. And I try to explain this to people all the time.

I would argue this way. Your average working class person thinks contracts are like steel cages. When in reality, they're more like straw huts.

And a handshake is often as good as a contract.

“Now, the only thing I would worry about is whether I can trust an individual because even”

contracts ain't going to do anything nothing for you. Yeah, they just, who was an, just issued force major to totally nullify their contract. All those energy deals. Yeah, but that's because of like external circumstances. Right, right, but let's put it this way.

Let's say Ian, you know, have a contract. Let's say I sign a term contract for you to be on Tim Kestirol guaranteed for three years, right? A year from now, you get really, really angry and don't want to do the show anymore. What happens if you stop doing the show? I think it would be fine.

No, no, no. Let's say it's a cancel to contract. Nope, nope. I have a three year term with you Ian. You have to be on the show for three years.

I don't know. I don't know how you, how what you, what recourse you would have. And I like tie you up and drag you onto the show. No, you could make most of me for the lost potential revenue. Sure.

And then how long will that take? I don't eight years. God knows. Like, yep, and then you're going to, you're going to, you're going to challenge and do the show.

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And then you're going to do the show. And then you're going to do the show. And then you're going to do the show.

And then you say, "There is nothing you can do.

“"Sumi, bro, waste your time and have fun."”

And my response would be, "If I gave you more money, "like, what can I do to make you come, brother?" - Mm-hmm. - You can do a lot of things. (laughing) - What? - I'm talking about coming on the show.

- Yeah, I know, I know you are. (laughing) I know you, I know you. - I know you, I know you. - I didn't know you. - I didn't know you. - I didn't know you. - I didn't know you. - I didn't know you. - I didn't know you.

- I just have a deep voice. - Okay. - It's so, um, the way that I, like, you're great by the way. I have a funny story for you guys. I once entered into a contract with a company. And we both signed it.

And then, when, literally two weeks later, they refused to pay out on the signed contract, I showed up and said, "We have a contract. "You owe me X amount of dollars. "Pay me what you owe me."

And this will be easy. And they just laughed and said, "What contract?" - Wait, you had a copy of the contract? Of course, but what am I gonna do about it?

“- Dang, 'cause you were the little guy at the time?”

- What am I gonna do? Am I gonna go hire a lawyer and spend 10 grand to launch a lawsuit? Fortunately, I'm smarter than them. And I ended up winning.

The point is, it doesn't matter if a contractor not. It matters, it's, guys, I love poker so much because the world is a poker game. It really is. You're sitting across the table from a guy

and he says, "What contract?" And then I said, "I see the move you've made. "I am telling you now, you are not going to win." So this story of this is, I showed up. And I said, "Hey, you sent me an email about the pay.

"This is not what we agreed to. "This is a fraction of the pay that we signed a contract on." And this person goes, "What contract?" And I said, "The contract that you and I have,

"like, I never signed it."

And then I said, "Okay, well, I'm not leaving "until I get my pay. "Otherwise, we're going to have an issue." And so this person calls in the higher up, who says, "What's going on?"

“And they're like, "He's causing problems and he won't leave."”

And I said, "Listen, we agreed to a contract. "We've signed it. "I am owed this money." And then the higher up just said, "You're not getting anything.

"If they tell me there's no contract, there's no contract." And I looked him in the eyes and I said, "I'm going to be a nice guy right now." 'Cause I don't want to waste anybody's time, nor do I want my time wasted.

You pay me half of what you owe me. And we call it a bad hair day. And he says, "Right this one, you walked me to the door." And then I said, "I won't say the guy's name or anything "but 'cause we settled."

We'll call him Jim, I said, "Jim." As I'm walking out of the building, I said, "I'm going to make you one more offer. "I will be a nice guy one more time. "Give me half of what we agreed upon and we are done."

And he just closed the door with his. And so what did I do? Well, long story short, I got lucky. And that the company didn't just violate the contract. Instead of registering me as a contractor

at an hourly rate, because they were trying to rip me off, they listed me as a W2 employee at an hourly rate, which gave me legal standing with the National Labor Relations Board. And so this opened to can of worms.

And I went and met with the NLRB because the first guy I got to phone call from the payroll company, and I'm like, I'm in an employee, I was on the contract. This is totally separate.

And they're like, "No, they listed you as W2." And I said, "Can they legally do that?

They can just put me down as W2. I never agreed to that.

I never signed anything." And they were like, "Well, they did." And I said, "So what does that mean?" And they're like, "It actually means they owe you more money because W2 is protected in California.

And this means they have to pay you for every day." If you're not paid within 24 hours of termination of services, they have to pay you every day full rate. So I went to the NLRB because of this. And I said, "I don't believe you can do anything for me

because this is a private contract that we had. This is not standard employment." However, they did list me as W2 without my consent. And they said to me, "Okay, if you go the contract route, it sounds like you have a private suitcase for about $300,000."

You'd of course have to hire a lawyer to take the case for you. Probably would take several years. We can't give you advice on that. This is my opinion. Maybe you can find someone who'll do it on contingency

for a third of the settlement.

How are that being said? Because you were W2. And because they didn't pay you, we can take your case on those grounds. And they know you about $30,000. And I said, "Okay, let's roll." And then it ultimately culminated with,

they tried to have one of their board members meet with me and then he panicked and fled. Because they thought I wouldn't show up because, and we were like a day away from court. And then finally the head boss shows up to the meeting place.

And he wasn't supposed to be there. And he sits down and he goes, "Where you really offered, right?" And I said, "Yes." And he goes, "Well, I'm telling you this right now.

We're gonna go to court and it's gonna be thrown out." And I said, "Okay, I was like, "Well, you know, I got time." And he's like, "Well, look, we don't want to waste our lawyers' time and money." So we can just settle this right now. And I said, "Yeah, remember what I told you last time

that I was gonna be a nice guy?"

“And mind you, I think I'm 22 years old this time.”

I said, "I told you I was gonna be a nice guy." And I told you, "Pay me half of what you owe me." Yeah, as of right now, we're gonna be entering court with a total amount owed of $30,000.

So here's what we're gonna do.

You pay me half right now, and we'll call it a bad hair day. And he goes, "Okay." So you're at 15, I'll counter with six. I said, "No, I'm at 30." And you're gonna write a check for 15.

Otherwise, I'll see you in court. And then he pauses for a second. And then he gets up and he says, "Give us 15 minutes." And then, 50 minutes later, another lady walks in with three separate checks, and she's like, "Sign these."

And that was it. Have the contracts vanished? Were there no paper copies of the contract or something? Yeah, there are, but the issue is, you go to court. And then all they have to say is, that's not real.

That's it. Oh, interesting. And then I say, "Well, as it was signed by this person, I'm sorry I have no recollection of that." Even if they're signatures on it,

they'll be like, "He forged, but that's accusal forgery would be."

I mean, they're gonna be like, "It may be,

but I have no recollection of it."

“That's why they knew they were gonna lose.”

And the whole point of me offering half was just like, "I don't want to deal with it. I don't want to go to offices. I don't want to go to meetings. Just pay me, I'll leave."

Right? This is the point about the contract, right? Arguably, I lost. They were, well, technically, I ended up getting a lot more than I was gonna get.

Based on the amount of work I did, I think they owed me something like $7,000. I ended up paying a bit more than that. But it took months. And so when I told the guy initially,

like, "Give me half," and we'll call it a bad hair day, the point was, I'm gonna get zero right now if I walk out the door. I'm then gonna have to go to meeting after meeting after meeting, and it's gonna take time out of my day

to try and recover a money. So what do I do? Well, you try and cut your losses. Let's make it EV+. I can leave here with some money right now.

And they refused. And so then, leaving with zero dollars left no choice. I'm thinking about contracts, or you're talking about smart contracts. This evolution of computational transaction.

And like, those things are locked. You cannot get out of the smart contract triggers. So there's a trigger, and then a change. But it's kind of nice that you can get out of contracts. Like, there's a very human element to it.

Like, we shouldn't be bound by numbers. I don't think humans are built like that. It's not like we've done by agreements, though. The point of a contract is if you like, we make this agreement, and we have it.

And now, granted, like you said, you can get out of them. But the point is to be like, OK, my word is good. Here's a written evidence that my word is good. And here's a set of reality. Yeah.

It used to be that I would say in my word is my bond. And then when all hell broke loose and I was struggling with a fill, I would say, I'm sorry. I wasn't able to fill it, but trust me, I will not stop working because my word

means more to me than anything. Now we are just a nation of multicultural leeches pirating off of each other. And people get busy and forget and get distracted and focused on other stuff.

Like, I can't remember every agreement I made with all everybody. Well, this is really about the destruction of like the high trust society, right? Exactly. That's what it is.

And even in this low trust society, if you're telling me

“that your contracts are still no good, then what is good?”

Yeah, contracts are completely, completely, completely meaningless. I really am Italian. I'm a, I'm a, I'm Italian again. The contracts matter for one thing.

So let's, let's, let's, let's, I love this stuff. I once got offered a talent management contract from one of the big agencies, one of the big five talent agencies. And it was like this thick. And this guy represented some of the biggest names.

You've seen in cable TV news and like reality TV stuff. So he says, here's the contract, look it over. If it's good, we're going to get you on all the biggest shows. You're going to be a host, you're going to get you out of. And so I start reading through it.

And I'm like, this is insane. It's like 200 pages. And I was like, OK, this is, this is insane. Now the point of that contract is not for me. It's for the other talent agencies.

What this talent agency was saying was not that we will work with you and get you work. They were saying, once you sign this,

I can make sure you will never work for anybody else.

So if after this company fails me, because they tend to, and I went to another agency and said, I'm trying to find work. And they're not getting it for me. They'd say, there's literally nothing we can do with you. You are cut out.

That's the contract is not about the work they would give me. It's about the fact that I signed any letter of intent with one agency means no other agency will touch you until that is cleared. Whereas if I do a contract with Ian, I mean, I got to be honest.

If I said, you know, Ian, let's do a contract. You're going to be here every day for a year. And then one day, Ian's like, I don't want to be here anymore.

There's no such screaming racial slurs I'd ask him to leave. And then it's like contracts, there you go. And then I can argue and say, oh, he violated the contract. One of the theories as to Candace Owens, claiming Bridget McCron is a man,

was that she wanted to get out of the contract with Daily Wire. So she started saying things that would intentionally get Daily Wire sued for a lot of money, forced and then take her show down, so they would have to turn it the contract

and boot her from the company. - Yeah, you're better off letting your employees go than forcing to stay under Dores on deed, which is why a lot of people have said, like, does anybody a Tim Kess have a term contract?

No, they're like, really like, none of your talent. I was like, bro, if someone hated me and didn't want to be here,

“you think it's good for the show that we keep them here?”

No, like, imagine this. Imagine Daily Wire comes to Ian and says, we're paying a lot of money to come on our show instead. And then he goes, I can't, I have a contract with Tim. But man, it's a huge opportunity.

Is Ian going to be happy sitting in this chair? Would I be a good friend to be like, no, Ian, I'm sorry. No, it's great opportunity, but you're stuck. I would never do that. I would be like, wow, I mean, I hate to lose you,

but, bro, if they're offing you like a big thing and real opportunity, you got to take it, you know? - I don't have to. - I'm using Daily Wire as an example. But like, let's say Hollywood Studio comes to you

and says, you know, like, we're going to offer you six million,

but I'd be gone for eight months. - Right, yeah. - And then we had a contract. Like, let's say we had a contract where you had to be on the show. Like, Ian can come and go as he pleases for anyone

who's wondering. Let's say we did have a contract where you got to be on every night for a year straight. And then Hollywood charges you a studio and says, it's a six million dollar deal.

You're going to be the co-star in an action film. You're the plucky sidekick.

“And then he goes, but I do have a contract”

where I'm already on a show for a year. What would it be beneficial for me in any way to be like, you can't leave Ian? - No, I'd be good for you to be like, bro, go get more famous and then I come back.

The thing is what I wouldn't-- - You know what, hold on, I'm going to business. You'd I'd say, Ian, I'd say, you're going to six million dollar deal, about the contract, you're good to go. - Yeah, so Ian says, okay, we'll cut you in 10k off the six

million to cover your losses so you can find somebody else. So I don't lose all-- We use that money to then-- - Out of my future contract, it pays off the past contract buys off the contract, basically.

- Right, so basically, you're going to get six million

against the one-year contract. I would say, pay me the difference I need to find a replacement. So there's no losses and we're good to go. - Oh, it will be crazy if they were like, but in the contract, it says you can't work with him anymore.

Like, I wouldn't do that shit. I don't like sign it away. It could say something like, you agreed to do political shows where you engage in issues that are contentious and could be derecha--

- I don't do well with it. - Stuff that hinders my free speech, my right to speak. - Oh, bro, welcome to morality clauses. - Yeah, you can't, you can't-- - Bro, like--

- The-- - Every, and again, I know we're talking about daily wire, but-- - I'm pretty-- - No, no, no, no, morality clauses that you can't do something unport period.

“And I think the daily wire has these, too.”

I'm not trying to disparage them, but most companies, we don't have these, they have morality clauses that say, if you engage in a behavior that is deemed morally reprehensible or a behavior that could bring disrepute to the company or yourself,

we can turn it the contract. Most companies have that because what would you do if, like, you know, you had, like, this is the Candace Owens thing. She gets out of the contract by saying these shocking things. - We didn't, we just have you can just quit it.

Either party can terminate at any time. I'm pretty-- - Let's also-- - Oh, there's something. - While we're at it, getting some clarification on this beautiful Friday night.

There's two NDAs, non-despairagement and non-disclosure. Tim cast does not issue non-despairagement agreements. We do have non-disclosure agreements. What is a non-disclosure agreement? This means that individuals who work here

will not disclose private trade practices and secrets to other individuals. That's it. Non-despairagement agreements, which people often confuse, are the ones where they say, you can't bad mouth

your employer after the fact. Literally, Ian can insult me right now on the show. - You stick. - Are you smell fun? - I think I'm smell my upper lip.

But like if-- - Not sure what this weird soap. - If a year from now Ian had laughed and said, it was a miserable place to work, and I hated it there. We have nothing stopping him from doing it.

We do, however, have something stopping him from saying, here is the actual computer components that he used to get the streaming product built, so that our competitor is could then build it and come out against us, you know what I mean?

- What about, like, here was the workflow of Tim cast. - Indeed, that's nice, you can't disclose that. So like, if Ian went out and said, I've drawn a media kit up

that explains basically how the show is produced,

timing, structure, guests, that we have contracts to stop people from talking about. But then what happens is you get people who go, Tim pools got NDAs, so weird. My favorite is the personal injury disclaimer

that we have at the castle. - Oh yeah, I sign that. - Waver of liability. - Yeah. - And people tried claiming these lips were like,

Tim pool makes his guest signs waiver of injury liability to come on his show, and it's like, 'cause I wield a cane. - No, you get the sign a waiver of liability to walk through the skate park.

- It's yeah, there's a skate park. I've fallen on that thing.

Like, we have to have it as per our assurance policy

because there is a skate park.

“But people are just nasty in their lives,”

but you know, we gotta, we gotta go to rumble rants in superchants, and you know what we're gonna do for the next 15 minutes. We have, unfortunately, we didn't make it. I'm gonna start a goal right now.

This only works on YouTube of 50 superchats, of at least $5 each for the next 15 minutes, and I will play a song. Tim will play a song if we get it. rumble should introduce that.

- We already have six. - No, it's zero. That one expired. - Okay, keep it up. - In the meantime, we'll grab some of your songs.

I don't know, maybe if there's a song that you could sing that we could play at the same time, or no, I wouldn't play guitar and sing it. - No, no, I could play guitar, and then all sing, and then you can sing, and then Ian will try to sing.

- I don't know, what do you wanna do? - Carter can sing, I got all the same. - Carter, whatever song you wanna know. - I don't know, what would be, I guess something, we have to,

we won't get copyrighted straight above. (laughing) Anyway, it's a, here we go, research.

“Evan for us as huge out of my organization, the YAL.”

One of our members, Audrey Lee, is running for district clerk in Fort Ben County. She's one of the youngest at 19 to ever run for a position like this LFG, let's go, here you go. - Same old man says, Tim, anyone running in California

is most likely a Democrat, even the ones running as Republicans. Look at Carolina's Senator Republican, a Democrat Muslim. Well, yeah, but that was because she ran on a post and was attacking the position. - Yeah, the intensity of health and conservative.

- Yeah, the intent, and that situation was to actually just like get an actual Democrat in. - Yeah, health and will probably be a bit more moderate. That's okay, but he's not gonna be, you know, trans and the kids.

- Well, Chad Bianca did like Neil with BLM or something, so that's a problem. - Oh, woo. (laughing) - Yeah, all right, we got going on here.

- There's a lot of, I'm sorry, he's after an craziness of 2020 and 2021. - All right, TROA says, holy crap, what caused the price of diesel to skyrocket? I want to say yesterday, it was $3,000, 33 cents,

I woke up to five. - Oh, yeah, I won't do it. - No idea, man. - No idea, man. - It's the Hormuz, Hormuz,

something like that. - Yeah, that cheese, Hormuz, Hormuz, Hormuz, - Yeah. - Hormel, Hormel. - Hormel, that's a chili, right?

- Yeah. - What do you got here, Chris Coon says, you guys should have Matt Tardio from Speak The Truth Podcast. He is very knowledgeable in the Middle East having fought there. He'll be debating the young Turks soon

and has been invited onto Fox. Oh, you know what, we got to wrap up and, or I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I got to wrapped up in esoteric business garbage about contracts, but I had fun talking about it.

That we didn't play the clip from unsubscribed where they were reading Moncomfe. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's hilarious. It's absolutely hilarious.

They're trying to drag Brennan Herrera because he owns this copy of Minecraft in English, but the whole segment they're talking about it, they're insulting and mocking Hitler as being retarded.

And this is what the media does. It's literally them sitting there, reading a, and it's like this excerpt that from the book

where it's like Hitler tried his, the first war he lost

was with grammar, it's a war he had fought for years and was not successful. Like it was hilariously just insulting Hitler. But the media clips that out and then just shows a little snippet

where he's like, yeah, I have Moncomfe. And they're like, oh, I was on CNN earlier. These people are absolutely insane. - No, the dynamic, the basics. - I strongly feel like that will not matter

to the electorate. - Well, they're trying to win that seat. The Democrats are trying to win that seat back because it's a heavily Hispanic seat that only recently flipped Republican.

- Well, her era, they're trying to bring it back. But her era plus Minecraft copy, maybe that'll do it. - What I mean by no dynamic is understand the mind of Hitler if you think that the Nazis were bad so that you can prevent that kind of thing.

- And so, or he's just a great character of history, you just wanna know what's going on. What were his thoughts? What was going through his head? You could do these things critically, right?

But it's actually a treasure trove of opportunity to understand like a world war one, and broken world war one vet that wants to rectify a loss of a war 'cause that could happen again. - Well, the thing is now, though, everything's a weapon, right?

So if I can use just you having a copy of Minecraft

“to smear you, destroy you, whatever that's what they'll do.”

Nothing, your intent doesn't matter anymore, right? So that's the world we live in.

- Well, I'm saying it in framing is a powerful weapon.

Yeah, people will frame others. - Well, they're framing me literally now. They'll tell you what you wanted to do. - This one is not just for me, it's also for Ian as well. J. George says Tim using Magic the Gathering Logic

to resolve the stack on the Iatola's death. - First thing, let's do. - That's right. You know? - Man, they tried to do it as an instant, you're like, nope.

- We've gotta do something, we gotta do something. - We gotta do something. - Magic the Gathering just bringing in all this sponge Bob and turtles and everything, it's a shame.

- It's just the other day, we need a fantasy universe, like July with his rip-a-verses pretty, very inspirational, but like just a universe that we can build out from.

- Bro, when they did a third drift, I was like,

well, they jumped the shark. - Frozen don't know, okay, it's real simple. Magic the Gathering is fantasy, it's a card game, it's the original first card game, and the game is played. We call it chess and poker combine his strategy game,

you draw cards, then you utilize resources to enact effects in the game to try and defeat your opponent. The theme of the game was largely fantasy-based, dragons, knights, warriors, zombies, et cetera, and they've had a bunch of wonky ones

like Comey Goa and Neon Dynasty, which was like Japan future with Neon, and it was kind of weird, but okay. The whatcha call it, the Ravnica set was pretty good, where the entry is kind of like a steam punk vibe,

still kind of fits the fantasy lore stuff.

“And it did a third drift last year, I think it was last year,”

the year before, and it's Wizards riding motorcycles and race cars.

- Oh god. - And it's just like what is,

who does this appeal to? - Here's the grip on Star Wars episode one, maybe. - I was talking to my friend earlier 'cause I was playing Marvel Rivals, and I was trying to explain why everything keeps failing

and content and culture. And I said, so I played EA skate, which only has 1,900 players left. Seriously. - The original skate game.

- No EA skate, that just came out six months ago, has only 1,900 active players. Yeah, I'm willing to bet they will shut those servers down in like a month. There's no way they can maintain the cost

of those servers on a game with no players. They're making zero dollars. And I was explaining the reason why the game failed is, instead of making a game for skate borders, which is what you do,

which would subsequently inspire friends of those skateboarders to hang out and play those games. They made a video game for everybody. So instead of skateboarder doing skateboard things, it's like a teenage girl doing teenage girl things.

Just like we saw with World of Warcraft the other day, where she's going, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, because you got her like kettle thing." - You mean, EA skate, the girl does her hair, stop like this?

- No, it's like, so what's the vibe you think of when you think of skateboarder? - Like flowing, clothing, like flying on the ground, kind of, I would say punk rock, like the original Tony Hawk that had all the punk bands,

some metal, Bammar Jera, that's all the OG big peak skateboarding stuff. And so, most skateboarders today are 30 year old white dudes. And that's just reality. Now, I agree, we want to get more people to skateboard,

so how do you do it?

“Well, you need to produce a product for the base”

that can also be attractive for new people. However, you need a core community first,

which means the product should always be targeting the audience

and then with marketing tools reaching out to new audiences. Instead, the way to describe it is this. Here's the skateboarding game that I would play. I would play a very vanilla skateboarding game, like the OG EA skate, where a guy's voice

or women's voice is fine too, but a guy would probably play better for a guy's. He says, in order to perform the heel flip, you hold down on the right thumb stick and then flick upwards towards the right, and that's it.

And then you try it, and if it doesn't work, it just starts over, and that's it, and you try it again, you try it again, what this game does with all the characters. Well, when the game starts, there's some light teenage girl

and like a little robot that floats around or something, they need to be. And when they're teaching at a play the game, when you screw up, it goes, I'll give you a few examples of what's wrong with modern society

and why we got to hit the men back in the room.

“So the character says, let's try doing a heel flip.”

To do a heel flip, hold the right thumb stick down and flick upward into the right. So then I go, and I do it wrong. And she goes, wow, that was really cool. Well, let's try a heel flip.

To do a heel flip, hold down on the thumb, so that I do a different trick, and she goes totally cool, trick, really awesome. But do you want to try a heel flip? So that was another mission I was showing my friend,

I do a manual, and then he goes, wow, man, really good writing. But let's try with two wheels, and I'm like, I hate these people, I hate them, I hate them. The game that I want to play is it starts with Bammard Jera, all 50 years old, and fat.

And he's standing there and he goes, hey, jerk off, let's see a heel flip, bro, come on, you're young, look at me, I'm fat, I can't do it. I start laughing, and then you try and you miss. And he goes, what the heck was that?

Bro, come on, it's not hard to do. And they try to get a new miss and he goes, dude, are you kidding me? You only have to flick a stick, come on. And so there's like edge to it, and it's fun, and it's silly.

Instead, they keep making everything like Skittles, candy canes, and rainbows, and it's just like-- It doesn't make sense for skating coscatings a lot about pain. A lot of pain, a lot of adventure, a lot of conquest. And so the original Tony Hawk game is what people say to me, Tim,

it's just that skateboarding is not popular. Stop, wrong. Skateboarding was not popular before Tony Hawk Pro Skater.

So we were all expecting with the new EA skate game,

“which we expected it to be gritty and realistic,”

but not overly edgy, just a sporting game, instead it's fortnight with the skateboard, not kidding. Purple, pastel, yellow, girls running around, giggling, and saying, let's have fun and play, and it's not a sporting event. So I said this, would you guys want to watch football,

which football game do you want to watch? Where the guy's going? He's got the pass, he's going, touch time, let's go. And then everyone's screaming, or do you want to watch where the ball's about to throw?

And so go and make, wow, it's really cool. He's going to throw the ball, no wait, let's make him wait, because we're going to put up the purple flowers. If the announcers were like, oh, that was a really good throw, but he missed it.

Oh, the second down now. That's how I try, though. I have to, let me, let me find this. That's the way, football's going these days anyway. I got to find this article, here we go, here we go,

here we go, we have this article from VICE. It says this horrifying app on dresses a photo of any woman with a single click from June 26, 2019. And this is when I was explaining to my,

“some of my friends at VICE where everything went wrong.”

And we were talking about wokeness, and how everything was getting cringe. And I said, guys, you guys ran an article titled this horrifying app on dresses a photo of any woman with a single click, and they were like, yeah.

And I said, do you want to know why your company is bankrupt? I said, tell me what the title of that article would have been in 2011, and they were like, what? This awesome app will undress any woman

had the word sex in it and it would have said awesome. It would have been like, poor hilarious. Instead it became, it's like, we used to have content that was made by the dude with the ripped Jean jacket or like leather jacket who was just like, hey,

left me, dude, I'm just trying to like do my thing. And then we got content made by the homeowner about you're not allowed to stand here. I like that you got Gavin McGinnis was on the show. You know, founder, one of the founders of VICE.

That guy is punk rock. That's like he is punk rock. You want to know why? And he left, and he's an edgy guy. And he says, it's weird stuff.

Oh, he's not free. Love you, G.

“Let's grab a, let's grab, he's a good dude.”

I'm a fan of the fans. He's a good dude. Ah, here we go. We got, we'll grab a couple more. We got, should have the VEDMACS as seven nations memo

correlates with the Yenon plan intended to followed by the a clean break, a new strategy for securing the round, 96. The author's all worked for the Pentagon when the seven nations memo was given. It was made for Netanyahu, read more.

Well, how about that? Yeah, the clean break memo. Yeah. What do we have here?

We've got the game says I had my third kid, Tim.

We are winning. First time, long time on donation. I've been watching since you went on rogue and appreciate it, but other congratulations. They did.

Third kid. Wow. Hey, yo. Megabobs and says, Tim, your live viewers are dropping. Used to be like 40K now it's 15K.

Why do you think that is? Maybe multiple nights of you not being here. First, foremost, yes, of course, when I get sick and I can't be here, that will have an impact on the algorithm as if people don't watch 'cause I'm not here, YouTube won't recommend tomorrow.

That being said, we're also in a political off season, and our viewership is actually slightly higher than it was for a comparable period four years ago. Also, I know the member didn't get out to a lot of people, but we, we cymbal cast on rumble, which had 20,000

concurrents, and we also do promos in the after show there. So, yeah, a year ago, we would get 40K on YouTube. We then did it deal with rumble, and now cymbal cast. And now we average around 47 to 50K between both platforms, every single night.

And so the funny thing is, people who aren't fans of the show and don't pay attention or don't watch don't understand that. And there's like, wow, where is everybody? Well, you know, a lot of them went to rumble because they didn't like what YouTube was doing.

More importantly, Monday through Thursday, when the show on YouTube ends, we all go to rumble for the uncensored portion. So a lot of people who watch on YouTube, slowly just migrate to rumble, which is kind of the point

of doing the deal with rumble. We don't want to cut off the people who like watching on YouTube, but we want everyone to watch on rumble. That was the point. So here's our works.

In 2021, which was the off season after the 2020 election,

we were averaging in 2020, literally like 1.6 million views

per night per episode. And our concurrence were like 70 ADK per night through the election season. And then four months later, we were doing 27,000 concurrence on average because we're a news and politics show,

not in a news and politics era. It's not until the middle of the mid-term year when politics and money starts getting pumped in, the media starts picking up the stories, interest starts returning in the political space.

So we're just not coming off of this and comparable to the four-years prior, we've actually been doing about 10 to 12,000 more viewers on average. So we track all the growth for all the channels.

And we're going to be making some changes

“that I think will make the show a bit more evergreen moving forward.”

That is, times there are a change in. And if you don't adapt, you die. One thing that we've noticed, which is very plainly obvious, is that it's becoming more and more difficult to book in-person guests because let's just be real.

If we hit up a guy with a million followers

who has come on the show before and say fly out to us we're in DC, it's going to be a day trip followed by an hour car right, a hotel stay, then you can come on the show and leave. They go, oh man, they used to say, yeah, let's do it. This will be amazing.

Now they say, I got to be honest, like I'm going to zoom on Megan Kelly instead because she's also got a big show. So we can't compete with all the shows that are doing Zoom guests.

Our network for in-person guests largely are DC based and within couple hours. These are where most of the guests are like, I got no problem driving down, but getting people to fly out is becoming ever more difficult.

As time goes on, more shows are doing more interviews and it's just impossible to have the in-person conversation. So we're looking at starting with, if we want to get bigger guests

“to engage in the conversation, they're almost exclusively”

always saying Zoom only. I got like big prominent lefties who have been like, come on the show that go, can you do Zoom? We go, we don't have Zoom set up, we do in-person.

And they're like, I've got a million followers.

I stream every day. I make millions of dollars. I'm not flying out to your studio. That's basically the response we get. So we've built out the mechanism by which now we can have people

on the show via Zoom for the duration of the show. We haven't done a test yet. And we're actually going to be doing-- I shouldn't say this, but I'm going to say it anyway. We're going to be doing essentially casting

for a new permanent panelist to be on the show. Because if we are going to have Zoom guests, they likely will be a half an hour to an hour long, in which case the four seats will be held by the in-person crew.

And so we have some individuals that we're talking to to become permanent panelists on the show. Starting with maybe like three days a week, and then finally five days a week with eventually it may go full digital guests.

As for any big names that want to come on the show,

they're always welcome to because we have the fifth seat

available. But again, I'm going to tell you this. I don't want to name drop anybody, because I want to be insulting anybody. But there are Hollywood a-list celebrities in big,

blockbuster movies that are pro-Trump, that are like, "I just can't fly from LA. Can you do digital?" And we say, "No to these people." And so there have been people who've been like,

"Two of your guests are just not good anymore." And it's like, "Because we were a purest "and want to do in-person only." Well, if we can get Brad Pitt, but it's only over Zoom, we are decided, "Okay, this is the point

"where we can't compete." A lot of other shows are all getting massive guests peers Morgan, it's a different kind of show, but he gets a lot, he gets a ton of good debates and guests, because people just don't want to travel anymore.

Just the way it is. So, adapter die, and that's the plan moving forward. We're going to get out of here. Nobody wants to hear a song, so I do appreciate it. - Well, all of them did. - 12 of them did you.

So, we're going to get out of here, though, and it's been a blast. We're back, of course, next week, and we got a big, big show coming up on Monday, the man himself, Brandon O'Rarrow.

Very excited for this. And then we've got massive guests all next week. We've got some celebrities coming on, no joke.

“Like, is it going to be, is it going to be big stuff?”

Big stuff, and big collabs are coming for the next couple of weeks, we're going to have a blast, and then big changes, big changes. Another thing I'll add about the Zoom guests, the only reason we've been dealing with the thing

of people being like, "Oh, I don't want to travel anymore "and we're like, "well, you know what, then who cares?" The other consideration is, when we were talking about this, the teams then, like, you know, it cost us $40,000 per month to fly guests out here.

And if we did Zoom, we would save that and spend it on security. And we are like, that's kind of the straw on the camel's back. We need to find money to keep because security has to go up. We recently had another significant death threat.

So a person published a video, apparently, with insider information somehow, threatening to murder me, and it's considered credible for into the FBI, and so all of that stuff's going down right now. So we're constantly having to up our security

and things like this. And so we're like, well, you know what, maybe it's time we actually started doing some digital guests because otherwise we're just not gonna get the big names anymore. They're just doing Zoom, and additionally, it's expensive.

So that being said, smash the like button, share the show. We're back with clips throughout the weekend. We're back on Monday with a massive, amazing show. You can follow me on XN Instagram @TimCast, and it's a big show, and I shot you thing out.

- Nothing just follow me on X. At VishMirin, Tanks out. At VishMirin, thanks for having me, Tim. - Man, I'm so grateful to this life. Thank you for having me be part of it.

It's really awesome. I hope we can make the world better. I know we can, so we'll do our best. You do your best, we'll meet up at the end.

- I am, "Fill the Remains" on Twix.

You can check me on, I'm Patreon. It's "Fill the Remains" on Patreon. The band is all it remains.

“You can follow the band on Apple Music, Amazon Music,”

Pandora Spotify, YouTube, and D-Zer.

We're going on tour this summer, or the spring. We're going out with Born of Osiris and Dead Eyes.

“You can check out, or you can get tickets”

at all the remains online.com.

Don't forget, the left lane is for crime, Carter. - Carter banks here. You can follow me over at Carter Banks. Vish, thanks for coming on.

“It's been a pleasure, and I seconded what you said to the ether.”

And yeah, it's gonna be a really cool next couple of weeks. We'll have a lot of good stuff, Tim. - Thanks for hanging out with everybody. We're gonna, I don't know why Ian's dressed up, but we'll forget something to do that month.

- That fits his attire. - We're gonna go find a party. Thanks for hanging out, we'll see you all next time.