Punch the Lonely Monkey and Other Recent Animal Encounter News Stories

- Hello, everybody. - Hey, this is Genogga. - This is Genogga. - I'm podcast.

“I am Jeff Larson, I'm the wildlife biologist,”

is brother, Wes Larson.

- Oh, no, it's not us there.

- Did you see the restraint I had there? - And we also have Mike Smith with us. I had something that was gonna make Mike mad and I just forgot it. - Most things do, so just take a shot in the dark

and it'll work. The sun, was it the sun? Was it human contact? - He came over and met my dog yesterday. - What do you think, Mike?

- Great dog. - Yeah. - Love that dog, he was great. - Did it look like Pennywise when you saw her, did it look very cute, like normal?

- It looked abnormally cute. - I'm a pretty objective judge of pet cuteness. I'm not, I'm gonna all tell you straight up, if you're baby or your dog is ugly. - Yeah.

This dog was a good looking dog. - It's very, a very cute dog. It's like one out of 50 photos that I see of it though. I'm like, oh, it looks a little bit like Pennywise there. - Oh, interesting.

- Yeah, I didn't get that at all. - Yeah.

“- I mean, Pennywise needs to be a little cute”

to get all those kids. - It's kind of cute. - He's kind of cute. - He can take a lot of forms too. That's like saying he looks like anything.

- That's true. And he can be little cute forms too. - Sometimes. - Yeah. - That's what I'm saying.

- That's fair. - Nice. - Whew. - Man, I don't think there's a dog in the world that more people comment or ask to pet or whatever.

And he loves it. - Because not only is he cute, but he only has three legs, so it's like-- - And guess what? What?

- Never asked to pet me. - That's probably for the best.

- I always have to be like, oh yeah, where's mine?

- No, but it's for a job. - Get offer. - Only if they attract, if they-- (laughing) - Steering some dangerous territory here.

- Uh, I got nothing. - Guys, but I'm boring, I had something good. - Yeah. - messed up. - Well, forgive me.

- If you remember, just interrupt me. (laughing) - Okay. (laughing) - He's gonna see that as carte plan

for the rest of his life. - You know, it's weird with me right now. Well, kind of weird is, I'm on-- I'm back on my anti-xiety meds. I've been off him for a while.

I just had like back pain, and I thought it was contributing to everything so I was gonna, I was like, I'm gonna get rid of this pain and then reassess. And that's where I'm at.

But the reason I started taking him was because I was so anxious about having a dog that I was going crazy. I just just like, I can't believe I got a dog, and he was, wouldn't let me sleep the first night.

So it's just like, out of control anxiety. So I took some of my old anxiety meds. And when I first got shanks, my face was getting really tickly and my eyes were burning a bit.

And then I took anxiety meds and that went away. And then I stopped taking him and my eyes started burning really bad and I was trying to figure out what was different. And I was like, maybe it's those anxiety meds

and I am taking him again. And I'm not reacting to shanks. So it's really weird to know that. So anxiety gives me allergies to allergies, yeah. I also thought like, as someone who's had

pedologies in my whole life,

I've never heard those symptoms for pedologies.

Just like spiderweb, I don't have any sinus. Yeah, like, but eyes burning too. Like the way you describe it to me, what, my eyes get really itchy when I'm around out, like, pets that I'm allergic to,

but they don't hurt. And you said it felt like you're a bit in smoke. So I wonder if it was like, you're anxiety was making that happen, you know? I don't think, well, kind of.

But it is the same thing when me and my cat, a cat. Okay, huh, well, my eyes were bugging me. And I thought it was because there's fires in there. I was like, maybe it's because we have a cat. That was longest hair in the world.

That was interesting that that happened because usually it takes a man and a woman and they have a human child together. But Jeff and I had a cat. That's true.

Yeah. I didn't say that weird. You made it weird. You had a cat together. I started to say things that are making me mad, Jeff.

You're getting there. We're back door to it.

“All right, what should we talk about these animal stories?”

Yeah, I think we oughta. Okay, this is a news episode. We didn't say that. You probably got it. So if you're new to this podcast,

this is like an episode we do every like four or five episodes where we just go into recent animal news,

And it's just a way for us to get some of those smaller stories

“that don't necessarily necessitate a full episode story.”

And, you know, we like to have a little fun with these episodes. They're a little bit more off-kilter and yeah. We hope you guys have a little bit of fun with it. I don't know if I're YouTube people are gonna know what's going on with you right now, Wes.

What do you mean? (laughs) All right, this is a little-- I got a little bear here to tell me, it tells me, whispers to me if I'm doing wrong.

Yeah, it's like a like-- Angelana Dunn, the Olympics, just cheating. Just cheating. (laughs) I have a little year.

Oh man, that's actually really useful. - Cheatings useful to do when you get away with it, it turns out-- - Bill Belichon. (laughs)

- That's a good quote, Mike. You know, one of our brands is looking for a quote from us that we sponsor, so maybe that should be it. Cheating is pretty useful when you know what to do. Is that what you said?

- Something like that. - Hi, I already lost it.

All right, well I'll go first since no one's volunteering.

My first one's kind of a sad one.

“And I think it was one of the bigger stories”

that got reported to us over the last month and a half. But in November-- So this actually, this story takes place in January, but there's some precursor in November. And in November of 2025, Gary Masino

was trail running on the Crozier Mountain Trail, which is a trail that's not far from Fort Collins, Colorado. He was trail running in the early morning. It was really dark, and he's around on the trail. He caught reflective eye shine from his headlamp

under some trees near the trail. So we've talked about this a bit on the show, but some animals have that-- I think it's called a tapatum lucidum or something like that. But it's a reflective surface at the back

of their eyeballs that will reflect back light. So we've on our trip shown like you can go spotlighting at night. It's a good way to find animals at night is by shining your light back and forth. And it's only certain animals that have it.

And in this case, it happened to be a mountain line that had flashback. So he stopped running. He turned his headlamp near the spot, and he was shocked to see a mountain line beneath the tree, crouched, and staring directly at him.

“And he managed to take a quick photo with his phone,”

and I will say, looking at this photo, this isn't a mountain line that looks like it's crouched, like it's waiting for him to run by, so it can resume whatever it was doing. It looks like it's crouched, like it's ready to pounce on him.

It looks like a predatory lion. And sure enough, right after he took his photo, this lion lunched forward, rushed him. He threw his phone at the cat, which I wouldn't recommend, he might want your phone.

Kick dirt, yelled, did whatever he could as this lion circled in. And then it would like jump at him, and he would back up, and they're kind of doing this back and forth thing until he realized

he's in a really bad situation. So he snaps a baseball bat size branch off a dead tree, and when the cat came in close again, he managed to swing it with all his might, and connects hits the lion in the head and it runs off.

So this is in November, he reports this incident to the local authorities. They put up some signs warning of a potentially aggressive mountain line on that trail, and a few weeks later those signs get taken down,

which is pretty standard practice for wildlife incidents. So like in Yellowstone, if we had a bear that was acting strangely or aggressively, we'd put up warning signs, and then if we didn't get any reports for a little bit,

those signs would come down. - Wouldn't it be wise just to keep a general warning up for the public in your opinion? - No, because I think if you do that, what happens is you kind of dull,

if every time you go on a hike and you see your warning sign and say you do it for years in that trail,

it always has that warning sign.

You start to kind of not put any kind of credence into those signs. They just start to become meaningless, so you don't just wanna leave 'em up. So I do understand why they pulled it,

but they perhaps did pull it a little early, because on January 1st, 2026, Kristen Marie Covatch of Fort Collins was hiking on this very same trail when she disappeared. Later that day, a group of hikers noticed a female body

that had been pulled off the trail about 100 yards, and a cougar was standing nearby. They threw rocks at this cat to scare it away and they checked the woman for a pulse but couldn't find one.

So they called long forsement and wildlife officials were sent to the scene alongside a local biologist. They managed to track down and kill two different mountain lions in that area. And again, mountain lions, cougar, puma,

these are all the same animal. And those animals were sent to a local lab for testing. An autopsy was done on the victim, and it was established that she had died from aphyxiation from neck compression.

And a couple days later, it was confirmed that a mountain lion was responsible.

And this would be the first fatal mountain lion

attack in Colorado since at least 1999.

And when they found his body, it looked like he had been predated, so they're pretty sure it was a mountain lion but not like positive, it was a mountain lion. OK. So I think when you hear this story,

one of the first things that people might think

is why did they kill two mountain lions? Why did two mountain lions have to die? And in fact, I have a friend who works near this area in Colorado in wildlife. And she said that their office received so many threats

from people that they had to close their office. And for killing two lions, even like death threats, they were getting, yeah, for killing two lions. And the thing-- I mean, we've talked about this plot on the show,

even it back out. I mean, 1 more person.

“Do you guys remember from talking about this”

with the mountain lions with other species? Why it's important that they make sure they get the right animal in these kind of situations? Yeah, why Jeff? Because if the same mountain lion kills another person later,

the state can get sued. Yes. The state can get sued. Individuals can get sued. There's a lot of stuff that can happen.

And so that's kind of the legal reasoning behind it, which is a very compelling sense, then that you kind of have to make sure you have your bases covered. And then just from a human safety perspective, too, you want to just make sure you get rid of this mountain lion.

It's showed that it'll kill people. It has a tact to people, killing one of them. It sucks that you may be have to kill a couple to make sure you got the right one. But it also-- a lot more harm

is done to these species with negative press than with a couple of them leaving the population. So you don't want any more negative press. So is there any school of thought that maybe rehabilitation for animals is something that could work?

Or is that just too much of like that? It's not rehabilitation, no. But what you can do is pull the amount of the wild and put them in zoos or something, which we have examples of that from the podcast.

And that's also more common in other countries. And there's other countries, too, where they just let these animals continue living out in the wild. Because often it's like, I have one with a single tiger. So yeah, with single tigers, it's like, well,

that's kind of like part of their natural behavior. But in a really populated area of Colorado like this, a popular hiking trail, this was the right decision. And people can get mad at me about that if they want.

“But it was like, you need to protect people”

because when you're protecting people, you're also protecting wildlife because if another person died, say a month later, another person got killed by a mountain lion, then suddenly there's a huge fear of mountain lions and Colorado, everyone wants to kill mountain lions.

Then it turns in, you know, the pendulum swings really hard in the other direction. So you just have to maintain that positive public perception of these animals. And that's why they made this decision that and litigation.

So that makes sense.

- Yeah. - Maybe that second mountain lion too

that they killed, maybe it was going to kill the first woman president of United States if we didn't kill it. - It's a very classic, next Einstein. This could have been like a dead zone situation where someone touched that mountain lion.

- AOC lives there. - Yeah, she lives in Colorado. - Isn't she Colorado's rep? - Yeah, she's in New York. - She's the Bronx. - She's out of Colorado, right? - No, AOC's. - She represents Colorado.

“- No, you're think it'll Lauren Bobert, I think.”

Now, AOC represents a burrow of New York. - One hundred. - One hundred. - Check us on that one Jeff. I'll bet if it was in dollars. - That's, so obviously terrible thing that happened

really tragic, my takeaway is don't ever go trail running. - Yeah, that little, you just heard from Jeff was him realizing that I'm right. - Yeah, she did a rally in Colorado. - Okay. - Oh, that's true.

- Oh, that's not true. - You can go trail running, but you bring up a good point there, Mike,

is like early morning like this first guy, especially.

If it's too dark to even see, it is, you are higher risk for sure, you know? - So you do, you do least favorite things maybe to do in this world as wake up early and run. - You gotta do both of those at the same time.

- And it's my question. - Yeah. - Make Mike talk on the phone while he's also doing it. - Oh my gosh, that's terrible. - Talking on the phone is so, it's so bad.

- Yeah, I also hate it. - All right, that's my first story and I'm done with it. - I like talking on the phone. - You do hear, guys, you should hear that.

I feel like you're pretty easy to talk to on the phone, Jeff.

- Easy to talk to, but hard to hang up on. - Yeah, yeah. I'll just be saying bye and then think of five more days. - Yeah. - Mike will just stop talking at the end of a conversation

and not say anything else and then you'll be like, okay, that's it, bye for now. - We're done with you. - All right, I'll go next. I'm gonna be talking about viral sensation,

punch the monkey. You guys know about punch? - Sure do. - I don't really, I'm, this is completely over my head. - He's like the new moodang of the world right now.

- Of fun. - Yeah.

So it's a Japanese kind, not so fun,

which is a little louder than that. - Okay, yeah. - Japanese baby macaque, born in July, 2025, in incho kawa precinct at 30, right, in Japan. - So punch was abandoned at birth by his mother.

They don't really know why, but his mom, Adam, didn't like him, said, you know what? I'm not gonna waste energy on you. But the zookeepers decided punch was worth waste in some energy on, so they bottle fed him

and ended up raising him for a few months, for about half a year and then like mid January, they decided it's time to put him back with all these other macaques. I've seen videos that at least 30 macaques

in this enclosure, so they put him back in and all these other macaques are just rejecting them. Pushing them away, he's like going up to him, trying to like hug them, they'll just like shove him away. So the zookeepers, it's hard to watch.

And then like he'll just wait by the door for the zookeepers who like him and then just like hold onto their legs while they're macaques

“are like getting back full food they're throwing, you know?”

- He's a very cute little baby macaque too. He's like he's very cute. - So then to make him even cuter, the zookeepers feel bad, so they put an orangutan. I couldn't tell if they used this orangutan

while they were nursing him as well. But they put this like big stuffed orangutan into the enclosure for him and he lashed onto it like it's his mom. So like everywhere he goes,

he's just dragging this orangutan up with him

and like he'll always run away from other macaques

unless they go after his orangutan and then he'll like stick up for it and like fight him off. - Oh wow. - He just like runs around everywhere with this orangutan. He has recently made a few friends

but then he's still getting rejected quite often as well. I think the orangutan stuffed animal might be like a double-edged sword where he's the only one with like a really cool toy in there too. So they might have some resentment towards that.

I don't know, that's just me thinking out loud. But he's become a sensation. People are traveling to Japan to see him. That I saw the line today is longer than swigs $1 drinks in orangutan.

- What? - He has mom. - Oh yeah.

“- Honestly like thousands of people waiting to go see him.”

- And it kind of makes sense because like it's just interesting because at the zoo it's like, there's cooler animals than a baby macaque. - There's a lot of macaques. They've seen a bunch of baby macaques.

There's other baby macaques in there but once you get a storyline behind it, everyone is interested in that. - He's insane like you. - So he's very cute.

- And it's very sad. You just want to reach in there and give him a hug because he just wants friends so badly. - Don't feel too bad because internet, good guy, Andrew Taysott.

- Oxford 250,000 dollars when he saw that punch was getting bullied. - It is. - Take a punch out and like if anyone knows how to have friends, it's Andrew Taysott.

- Yeah, money is really what it comes down to. He decided he's gonna start trafficking animals now alongside with humans. - Like I mean think of all his friends is brother. - Yeah, yeah, that one streamer guy that smelled his chair.

- Is that his friend though? - That's me, I don't know. - I think it's just a brother. - Yeah, oh man, Japan's really good at having tragic animal figures aren't there.

“Remember grape can, the penguin that fell in love”

with a little like anime cutout girl?

- That's a little stand up. - Oh. - Shoot all those bearers. - Contra mall and everyone. - Please be friends with.

- Yeah, punch everyone. - Punch, by all means do not let Andrew Taysott adopt you or please don't let that happen.

“- All right, like how much worse can we feel for him?”

- Yeah. - Oh. - All right, yeah, well, I hope he does better. I hope he makes some friends. - Yeah, we should have a, we should have him on the show.

- Yeah, I think in his a lot like me growing up. - Whereas he's rejected by my entire family, including West, right away. - I love Jeff. I put me in Jeff.

Me and Cyrus used to fight over who got to play with Jeff. But he did have our time with friends, especially in middle school.

I always feel bad for you.

- Well, let's get some, let's get some puns and jump dates in the future. - Yeah. - It's like a little gloomy babies. - Yeah, did you ever have an orangutan be any baby?

- Nah. - I was a bit of a double-edged sword for you. - Kicks was my all-time. Yeah. - If like me, you're trying to make better food decisions

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This first one comes from Times of India. Also, people magazine reported on it. A bunch of different outlets we're talking about this one. This one's really interesting to me though, but not as interesting as my next story.

You like that?

“That's listener retention here, you gotta tease that, right?”

When village leaders, this is happening in the Philippines. A couple of weeks ago in Porto, Princessa, in the Philippines, when village leaders visited the Filipino food in fluency, Emma, Emma's house earlier this February. Guess what they found was poison.

Kinda, they found a handful, so there's an unmistakable crab that all of the locals know basically that live in and around this town. They found the unmistakable red and brown shells of crabs scattered in and around her garbage can.

Just a few days earlier, Emma, she's actually kind of a big deal on Instagram. 200,000 plus followers on her Instagram account. She was filming herself foraging around these mangroves, finding a bunch of snails, a bunch of crabs,

shellfish all over the place, and after catching a few, Wes has more than that. I don't know. I mean, Wes is a-- Well, that bears our thoughts.

I probably have my picture, but. I mean, I'm one of his followers and I don't. I barely count.

“Yeah, you think you're about all my little bit, right?”

Yeah. So she caught a few crabs. She holds him up to the camera to show off to our followers. And then she drops it into a pot of simmering coconut milk. After a little bit, she dips into the pot

for a little taste test. She's pretty satisfied with how it's tasting. And she just dip back in for more. She and a friend were eating some of this crab stew that they got all boiled up.

But not long after, she lost consciousness and was afterwards rushed to the hospital, obviously. So unfortunately for her, the crab was a zosimus einius, better known locally as the Devil crab. It's a reef dwelling species whose flesh contains a mix

of potent neurotoxins and cooking them actually does nothing to neutralize this danger.

So you eat one of these, you're ingesting poison, basically.

by from what I could see, they considered

“among the most poisonous crabs in the Indo-Pacific.”

And very obviously something you probably shouldn't be eating. And what's really curious about this story is that she and her husband were actually really experienced fishers. And it prompted in and interview later

on the village chief was quoted as saying, this is really saddening because they should have known. So yeah, consuming these devil crabs, can paralyze muscles, shut down breathing, and often kill sometimes within even just hours of eating.

Health officials say roughly half of known severe cases in the Philippines prove fatal. And sure enough, two days later after she arrived at the hospital, she and her friend, unfortunately, both passed away.

So damn, yeah. Well, now everyone knows for sure not to eat those crabs.

Yeah, well, you know, you got to crack a couple of eggs

to make an omelette, right? Wait, to cheat die, perhaps. Yes, she should. Oh, shoot, no, for my entire eggs. That's awful.

Yeah, I thought she just got sick. Wait a minute, I'd back around, Wes. She did bite me, totally saved it. No, it's kind of like an interesting twist on, I mean, you gave that subscriber episode a while ago

about taking selfies with dangerous animals. It's kind of like a social media driven animal encounter. I mean, it's not like an attack. We can't say that at all, but like doing it for internet cloud. Yeah.

I guess I can't say that either

“that that's what she was specifically doing.”

Maybe she was just like trying to make a little snack to eat and show her audience, but she wasn't eating poison for eating internet cloud. But she was trying to get creative and be like, look, I caught this myself, type of thing.

Yeah, right, and this obviously, like this has someone shouldn't die because of this, but I kind of have a really hard time watching videos of live crustaceans being thrown into boiling, boiling water.

I always just kind of feel like we view them as to lesser,

you know, that like we shouldn't do that to anything. And I'm like, I'm a mediator. I'm someone that eats meat, but I just kind of, I don't know, putting live animals through torture

is always a little hard for me. And I know it doesn't compare to like what we do to animals and food farms and stuff. But before all of you guys get at me, but I do, that still is just kind of in nature.

Like, oh, do we really have to boil these guys alive? You know, can we knock that out? I mean, we have plenty of other really good things to eat. Right, if we need to. No, I'm with you there.

I think West. Should we, no. Okay, boil the food farm animals. No, we shouldn't do that either. He said it wasn't as bad as what we do to them.

So yeah, I think, I think the food farm animals, like the factory farm ones get off and get a more humane death,

“but their life is pretty horrible, you know?”

Yeah, I think some probably should be in dump. Yeah, just plain around. You're just joshing. Yeah. All right.

Well, so my next story is more of kind of a study that I think is really interesting that I just read about. And this study came out recently and it's about animal-related deaths in the U.S.,

which I thought, that's right up our alley. Here at tooth and claw, you know? We gotta talk about this. This study looked at data between 2018 and 2023, but it was published late last year.

And during that time period, authors learned that a total of 1,604 animal-related deaths were reported in the U.S., which is about 267 deaths annually and they pulled some really interesting trends

out of that study. So 267 animal-related deaths annually in the U.S., what groups of animals do you guys think are most responsible for those deaths? Devil crabs.

No problem, Devil crabs. Snakes are in there. But think about this is just any animal, it's not wild animal-specific. Dog dogs, dogs are very high.

So the number one category was actually Hornets wasps and bees. 31% of the deaths came from Hornets wasps and bees. And I think they were including people that got stung that had allergic reactions.

And as group authors together, I'm an opter as the group, so you kind of can. The next got to the idea. The next biologist, I don't like bees and hornets, but they still see bees.

They're all in the same group, though. The next got him on AOC, he got you on the bees. You're not going to like this grouping then either. The next largest was other mammals, so this doesn't include dogs,

but it was other mammals. And mostly what this group was, was horses and cows,

getting kicked by livestock or whatever else. But other mammals was the other largest number of deaths that was 28.6% dogs, you guys got that one,

was the third biggest, 26.2.

And then some of the other animals that are featured in this are going to be venomous snakes and lizards. There's seven deaths in this six-year period. Marine animals? Lizards are getting thrown in the area.

Yes, you're stealing the snails. What the hell do you have in the area? We don't kill anyone. Like Mario Chalmers on the 2013 heat. venomous snakes was 30 deaths.

I was looking at the wrong chart there, but yeah, lizards did get thrown in with them. Marine animals, there was 11 deaths, unspecified venomous animal, 13. And then there was some other ones

that they had like data deficient, but there was probably some deaths, like alligators. Anyway, it did point at, things that most of us live nearby as being the most dangerous animals

that we come into contact with. So dogs, lost bees, non-venomous arthropods, which would contain mosquitoes and some other animals that can kill us. And as far as like demographics,

most of the people that died were male, 67.6%, most of them were white, 87.2%, and most of them were between 55 and 64 years old,

“at 22.8%, so I think we're talking about”

a lot of farmers and rangers here.

- No, what I always say, what?

- Nothing harder than being a white male. - And a old white man, yeah. - Old white boomers sure have had it are their whole lives. It's dangerous out there for them.

But non-venomous animals encountered encounters had a much greater proportion of fatalities than venomous ones, with 943 non-venomous deaths and 644 deaths from venomous animals, including those wasps and bees. So the overall death rate for animal-related fatalities

from this study was about 0.8 people per one million people. So you have like a roughly one in one million chance of dying from an animal if you live in the US. And Mike still afraid of horses. - Yeah, oh my gosh.

I'm a white male, Jeff, you know what this is. - You know what this is. - You know what this is.

- One, and then go see you in a million.

- If you live in the south, you have a higher chance. Texas was the state that had the most, but then Florida and Georgia also had high concentrations of fatalities. The next most at risk group in the US was the Midwest,

then the West, and the Northeast was the least most represented, the least most. - Yeah. - That's about way to say that. - The least represented.

- So Northeast like Maine, New York, Vermont, Virginia, or not Virginia. - What's that other state by Vermont? - New Hampshire. - Yeah, that's great.

- Yeah. - Yeah, anyway, I'm familiar with those states. - They don't know how to like record keep very well up there though. - That's true.

- It's out in the woods, I don't know, could be high. (laughing)

“- I think, I mean, you've been to Maine.”

I think they're pretty civilized up there, right? - Oh my God, it's crazy. You know how we lose in bears, they have there. - So many. - There's no way they haven't killed more than that.

- Anyway, I thought I was interesting study. It's available online if you wanna check it out, but bees and dogs, bees and dogs, and mammals. - Yeah, I don't know. It's like sure if you group like four different types

of mammals together, they're gonna have more fatality than dogs, but yeah, I do have some issues with this study. I'm gonna say that, but it was interesting. - Did you guys know that 40% of people say they would save their dog over a human stranger?

Two weeks ago, I would have thought that was crazy. But now that I adopted chunks, I just love them so much, I completely get it. I remember getting some flack when I saw a video of some lady pushing a black bear off her porch

because it is attacking her two dogs. I was like, why'd she risk her life for that? I get it now. Dogs are the best, I love shanks so much.

“And that's why I want shanks to have the best food.”

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Who's up next? I want Jeff to go again. I love his last one was so good. I'm going to eat three. All right.

This one's older, but I wanted to talk about it. Not that one. In early 2025, a yellow-footed tortoise was discovered alive under the floorboards of a home in Kaha Brazil.

It was trapped there for 10 to 13 years in their floorboards. That is good. And the tortoise survived by entering a state of estivation. Is that how you say estivation?

All right. No, estivation. Yeah, never heard them. And maybe like eight a few termites and we're like some condensation stuff.

But it's crazy photo. Like it's shell is all warped on the side from like growing into a board. And then as soon as it got out, it was like ready to eat and they fed it.

And it's just like eating lettuce, like a normal tortoise. What the heck? That's crazy. So some animals are just like the field. When you hear about that with like a freaking bug,

it's like, okay, yeah, sure, I guess. But, yeah, freaking like 50 pound tortoise, it's like, what? Yes, just watching the ears are being like, well, I guess I'll just chill here.

I mean, Tim Robb, Tim Robbins and Shawshank Redemption, what was it like three weeks and he was like, going and saying Tim Robbins? Yeah, Tim Robbins, right? It's not Robbins.

“Tim Robbins is the, I think you should leave.”

Friendship, okay. I think it's Tim Robbins. Yeah. We said Robbins to start. Yeah.

Oh, we're gonna, I'm gonna check that. I'm gonna replay the tapes so many times. Oh, how did you do it to me? Ah, it's so freaking wrong. You promise?

I promise. I was thinking about it. Let's do it. Tim Robbins and Shawshank Redemption. Tim Robbins and Shawshank Redemption.

Tim Robbins and Shawshank Redemption. What do you want about $100 trillion? No, it's bet, let's make a real bet. $100. 'Cause I'm positive you said Tim Robbins said.

Okay. Oh, that's a lot of money. Do you want to know why I'm smiling right now, Mike? 'Cause do you owe me $100? So, I think I know how you misunderstood me.

I said Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption. Tim Robbins in Shawshank Redemption.

“I think that's probably how I said Robbins.”

Okay, I would never mistake.

Tim Robbins is, but I love that guy. Dude, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you fucking trust me, like good evidence that you said Tim Robbins in Shawshank, I will pay you the money. Okay, but if it's Tim Robbins and so excited.

I want the $100.

Fox, that's what I titled this one.

Fox, okay, okay. West, what would you do if you saw Fox attacking one of your chickens? I'd run out on Chase it. What if you lived in Australia? I'd run out on Chase it.

All right, well, 50 year old man was hospitalized from doing just that. So six AM on January 19th. And one of his, oh, these are cute. A baby apaca.

- Alpaca. - Alpaca. - Yeah. (laughs) - Baby alpaca. - Pretty cute, right? - Yeah, you're right. - So he hears one of his baby alpacas just roaring.

- Mm. - For roaring. - Okay.

- And he looks out the window and sees a fox attacking it.

So he does what West says. Our wildlife biologist says, go out there and scare it away. That's what West says to do.

“- I've done it all the time. - That's what this guy does.”

- I've done it, in my underwear. - He goes out there, Fox runs up, bites him as hard as it can in the thigh, dives deep in there. And he's got like a lot of blood flowing and has to go to a hospital.

- Is it rabbit? - And, well, that's what's most interesting West. - Australia doesn't have rabies. Much like why, in the movie primate. - Huh. - So that's why, what the heck?

- Why, biologists are like, what the heck? - Yeah, me too. - Why is this fox biting people so hard? - Yeah, that's not normal behavior for a fox.

You know, rabies is like the first thing we tend to think

of when an animal like a fox or a raccoon or something like this is acting that way. But there are lots of other viruses, mental illnesses, other things that can happen with animals that can cause them to act aggressively.

So, this isn't, this isn't typical, Fox behavior. - Well, you, if that guy could probably suit you, one last one, I titled Elephant from the Bangkok Post. - Yeah, I hope this vlog's not funny. I might, you talk about this a little.

Have you guys ever established a workout routine

“like as soon as you wake up, wake up early and work out?”

- No. - Yeah, I regret it. - I only did on my like, Mormon mission because it's part of our rules. Oh, oh wow.

- I would wake up roll out a bed and start doing push-ups and sit-ups. - Yeah. - Well, this guy, Girathar, Chai, Girap, Hot Boone, Yachtorn from the Wang District of Loop Boy,

69 years old and he loved waking up an hour before sunrise and doing his same little exercise routine, right? - Yeah. - So, he's out camping and little does he know. There's a bowl elephant nearby who's already in its life

killed two people, kind of, you know? - And I think had, you know, that was more than post. - Yeah, careful. But he's doing his workout when this bowl elephant just at 5.30 a.m., he's like walking around a little,

“he's by his tent and then this bowl elephant runs up,”

grabs him with his trunk, slams him to the ground and stomps on him until he dies. - Whoa. - And it's at a campsite, other campers are just like, kind of starting, this wakes him up for sure.

That's a crazy thing to wake up to. And they all stay kind of where they're at, not trying not to be the next one. - How much you can do? - Yeah.

- The Rangers eventually come and scared Delph and off and they say that they're either going to relocate it or try to change its behavior, which they did not come in further on. (laughing)

- Give it a stern talk into. - Yeah. - Man, that's crazy. - I can't-- - The trunk to stop. - Yeah. - No.

- Throw them down with the trunk and then stop them. - Right, trunk to stop. - Oh, come on. - That's how you say and you stomp them with this trunk. - No, combo combo.

- Yeah. - Yeah, that's wild. - We really, you know, we have yet to do on the main feed of full episode elephant, or full episode elephant, west elephant episode. But they're just like, whenever we talk about them

on these news episodes or subscriber episodes, they just seem like the one animal where there's just nothing, nothing you can do. Unless you have an elephant gun, like a extremely high caliber weapon,

or anything, you know? I just, I don't know.

“There's just different than anything else.”

- Crazy this one, it's killed three people in it.

- Yeah. - And they're still like, wow, no. - Maybe we need to put 'em in. - People like, it's like Yahoo news reached out to, and they're just like, yeah, we don't know. - Yeah, I kind of though, like, in a way,

I respect that where it's just like, this is there, you know, this is where they live, and sometimes they can be incredibly aggressive animal. So we just kind of have to accept that people might die sometimes.

- We're weird as where it's like, that would make me more likely to camp in that place. - I do want to see this elephant, yeah. - Yeah, just don't want to get killed by it though. - No, obviously, but like, the element,

like we like camping in Grizzly Bear Country, like we like an element of danger to like, yeah, what we do in that outdoors. - You said this one was in Bangalore, Dash? - It was in Thailand, Thailand.

- Let's see, the elephant's name was Fila Owan. - Yeah, and there was a down. - What if Klong, oh, okay. - So it was national park. - Klong, plock, hang, national park.

- Yeah, what country is that? - In Tombom, Wayne Me, of Wayne Nam, Kyle District, is in Thailand. - Yeah, okay, there we go, we got there. - All right, and the guy's name, again.

- Yeah, do the whole name.

- Giratha Chai, and that's his first name,

and then Giratha Tabunya Thorn, from Moon Day District of Loop Bury, Nakon Rachcha-Sima. - Great, glad we got to experience that, thank you. I'd like to give you any other stories.

- I do, so this is part two, of the poison duology that I have here to present to you all. - This one's really interesting, and we're about, we try not to get super political all the time here on Tooth and Cloth.

This one, just by nature, the story, we're gonna get political. Not involving the United States though, so don't worry too much about that. - So, got all this information primarily

from the BBC. - I want to sky news. - Yeah, I want correct what you said a little bit. - We get political, but specific to animals. - Right, it's not our main thing.

- Yeah, and each of us, we're not, we're not scared. - No, we're not. - And it's very political, but it's more on my private, or my personal. - It's more on a voice for animals, you know?

- Exactly. - So, I got this from primarily the BBC.

“I think I said that a bunch of other news sources,”

this just was revealed recently, but the UK Sweden France Germany and the Netherlands, I'll just release a joint statement stating that after two years of investigation, the assassination of political dissident,

Alexei Navalny, and the remote Siberian prison colony, was caused by a lethal dose of a neurotoxin called epipitidine. This is really crazy, so epipedidine, it turns out, it's the same substance that is only naturally found

on the skin of a few different species of Ecuadorian poison dart frogs, such as the Phantasmal poison frog. So, it's like how did, how did this stuff get into Siberia? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- So, the Kremlin has since denied all the allegations, they call it, quote, a ridiculous circus performance by the media, just like trying to divert our attention away from, you know, whatever is going on in the world. And they had already dismissed Navalny's death

in 2024 as a result of a combination of diseases, but even though authorities haven't provided an exact method or a theory as to how it was administered to Alexei,

they're now confident that this is what ultimately killed him.

- Huh, wow. - So, that's fascinating. It's really, so here's the wrinkle that makes it maybe a little less like of a crazy story. So, experts, they did note that it's possible

to basically recreate this neurotoxin in a lab, rather than like having to actually literally scrape it off the skin of a frog.

“But like, I think in correct me, if I'm wrong,”

if this is how neurotoxins work, but no matter the method of administration, once it hits the bloodstream and it breaks through that the blood brain barrier, it doesn't really matter where these toxins come from

or how they're administered, right? - Yeah, and something we've learned recently and this was a bit of a like a paradigm shift for me, is that it's not often the bloodstream so much as the lymphatic system that they're entering.

We tend to think of it traveling through the bloodstream, but it's often other systems within the body that they use for transportation. So mostly the lymphatic system. But yeah, it's like once they're in there,

there's nothing you can do to really stop it. - Yeah, so professor of environmental toxicology

he basically said what you just said.

Like once it's introduced to the system, it's too late, basically. And apparently it's said to be approximately 200 times stronger than morphine, as far as like similar doses go.

- That's just crazy, you know, the late sense fun.

“- Yeah, that's fun, I think it might be kinda nice.”

- I'm happy. - First thing that popped in my head is licking a frog. (laughs) - No, that's like this guy was he murdered. - That's basically what this report is saying

is that somehow, quote unquote, somehow this neurotoxin was brought into the prison, the penal colony where Navalny was being held. And like how else is that gonna happen other than, you know, the state introducing it into the,

- Yeah. - And like necessarily have to be the state. - Again, allegedly, this is the modest operandi of the Russian government. I'm so unschooled in all of this stuff,

but just hearing these stories like, this is not the first time that these rumors have been swirling around of like poisoning political opponents for-- - Yeah, Russia seems to have a lot poison incident.

- Yeah, yeah. - It's interesting, you know, we talked about, like we talked about venom and poison and the difference a lot

“and how venom's injected and poison's ingested.”

But I guess it's true that sometimes poison can be injected, too. Like what these poison dart frogs were, they'd put it on darts and blow them into animals and stuff. It does, it can work that animal. - That's not way to inject it though.

- No, but like, venom, if you were to ingest venom, like say you were to drink some cobra venom, you might get a stomach ache or something, but it's not gonna kill you. But with poison, if you inject it,

it can kill you still, certain poisons. So that is interesting. - Yeah, I also like, this one's fascinating to me because I feel like if I'm an assassin, I wouldn't use poison dart frogs

because there's so little data on that, like, how effective it is for killing. - Star Wars, where the assassin used to worms and kill. - Yeah, that could happen. - But yeah, you would think that you would use something

that's like tried and true, you know? - Yeah. - Or maybe they knew somehow toxicology reports would you get out and that'd be like a hard one to identify or something?

- I'm not sure, but yeah. - Huh, interesting. - Yeah, crazy Russians, you know? - Hmm, it's a wild world out there. - Yeah.

- All right, I have more, it's like, it's a good alibi. You can be like that we don't have poison dart frogs here. - Couldn't be there. - Yeah. - I have a really brief one, actually,

I don't really wanna go too into it 'cause I think it's really sad and it just happened to. And my other one was a fatality as well. But there's a woman in Minnesota, Arlene Lillis,

who was in the Virgin Islands on vacation and was bitten by a shark and the shark took off her arm below her elbow and she actually died from her injuries. She bled to death.

So the reason, I don't, like I'm not gonna go and all of it, but the reason I did think it was interesting is we've done a lot of shark stories and most of the stories that we end up picking are stories of survival

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if they had lost a little bit more blood, they would have died and it does happen too. Like we're a person doesn't get to bite that isn't necessarily immediately gonna kill them, but if they don't get it helped soon enough, it will.

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I'm about to win. Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I was 100% confident until you said the Robinson robins in. And then I was like, that is possible that you said that. But I'm still pretty confident.

You said Tim Robbins. Ooh. I'm going to be living like a king. This is crazy. Am I so much candy?

All right. First up, because punch, best pop culture, bully line. I had to pull mine from Nelson Months in the Simpsons, because he's like the classic pop culture bully for me. And the one I picked from him is shoplifting, is a victimless crime, like punching someone

in the dark. That's actually really good. I'm pretty sure that's from the episode where Bart steals a video game for a Christmas time. Yeah.

But I'm not sure. There's one that I've been seeing on social media from Dennis the Menace, where he's at a carnival and he's like too short to ride the ride. And then there's this really big adult who just goes, "Oh, it's the little baby too small to ride the ride."

And then he just starts laughing and does like a backward spin kick and like breaks the head off of this, like, wooden feet. That's what you think. Yeah. What?

This is from the movie, Dennis the Menace. Yeah. Or either that or problem child. It's one of the kids. That sounds more like problem child to me.

Yeah. Was it a red headed kid or a blonde kid? Red headed. It's problem child. Okay.

I've got, I needed a shout out Gary from Pokemon, or Blue, I guess he's in the game.

She always says smelly a later.

That's classic. Smelly a later. Which is like kind of weird, like, it's almost like I wouldn't want him to do that. I don't want anyone smelling me. Now or later.

I like Cobra Kai to put him in a body bag. So my go-to just like yours is Nelson West, I was think of Chet and Bill Paxon's character from Weird Science. And his best line is, "You two donkey dicks couldn't get laid in a morgue." This is just incredible, incredible screenplay.

Dialogue. Oh my gosh. That movie is still... She's got some issues, but Chet's not one of them. It's kind of a compliment at this start.

Donkey dick. Yeah. That's true. Most evil bolly.

So my quintessential evil bolly, I always think of Henry Bowers from the "It Movies"

and the "It Book" because he like carbs into them with knives and then he comes back in his adult years after he's like Pennywise's friend pretty much. But I was doing some research on him and I remembered the guy in his group, Patrick Hawk Steater, or Hawk Steater. If you read the book, he's a bolly and he's like, "We have our qualms with Stephen King.

We have our things we love about Stephen King.

“One thing I think he is really good at is writing bullies.”

And Patrick Hawk Steater isn't just a bolly. He like transcends it into a psychopath, like he kills his infant, baby brother because he's crying too loud. It does a bunch of other stuff that I don't even want to talk about on the show because it's so dark.

So for me, it's like, okay, if the category is evil bolly, he's kind of hard to beat. So that's who I picked, Patrick Hawk Steater, from specifically the book, it.

So yeah.

“I went with Keith or Southernlands character in "Stand by Me."”

I forget his character's name.

I like pick. At the beginning of the movie, he's just kind of like the cool older kid in the neighborhood who is doing some light bowling and then by the end, he's just like a murderous vampire. It gets pretty gruesome by the end with him, but also Stephen King bolly. Yeah.

True. Shoshank Redemption. Clancy Brown Hood. Tim Robbins. Even though I asked this one, I would go not quite the most evil I can think of, but just

the most evil scene was with Johnny Lawrence and Karate Kid again, but there's a scene where Daniel Laruso is like kind of dating Johnny's ex-girlfriend, right, and Johnny wants her back now.

“And there's like a rich people dance that Daniel couldn't go to, and Johnny like forces”

her to dance with him.

And then as they're dancing, he sees Daniel like snuck in and is spying on him from

the kitchen, so he decides to kiss her and then Daniel doesn't see the reaction. He just like bursts through the door, and this wager spills this entire giant bowl of spaghetti on his head, and all every adult, hundreds of people instantly start laughing at him. That's the most hilarious thing. It's just so mean.

Everyone immediately is just laughing their heads off. Yeah, it is a great scene. I want to add, because Mike did two poison ones. Can you guys think of a good poison in scene? Because I just watched a clip again of what I like to wear.

Are you a stark, gets revenge for the red wedding? Yeah, I mean, my all-time favorite is also a game of thrones, and it's joffery being poisoned, because you're just like, well, you win him to die so badly, and then when it finally does, it's really, I mean, it packs a punch. It's fun to watch him like choke and die.

I'll go with Princess Bride, never get into a battle of the wits with a Sicilian or

whatever his line is, that's a great scene when he's just immune to both cups of poison. Wow. The discreet. Wow. Classic.

Wow. Favorite non-animal news headline. Maybe for God. You don't need to favorite. You can just do one, you want a shot at it.

Yeah, I found one that I liked. There's so much news happening all the time, so it's kind of having a hard time finding something that wasn't overtly political, but I did found one that's political, but it's interesting. So one thing that's been happening with the current administration is they're trying

to do a lot of redistricting, so different places are trying to redefine their boundaries to favor one political party over another. And in Missouri, there's been this battle to do that, and typically in Missouri, they only do that after a census, but now there's a big push to do it right now. And they're using air bud, the movie air bud, as they're just a vacation for doing it

right now. And the way that they're using it is that line where they say they're eating a rule that says a dog can't play basketball when people are saying like, you know, a dog can't play basketball. They're saying, well, there is an rule that says they can't, and they're pretty much

saying calling this the air bud rule in Missouri saying that while typically they do a redistricting right after a census, there isn't a rule that says you can't do it at another time, and they keep quoting air bud in that decision. So pretty wild, weird times we're living through. I hope everyone is getting outside and smelling some fresh air from time to time.

“Yeah, they're essentially saying like dogs can play a basketball, right?”

I'll do a shout out animal when this feel good is Guatemala's putting conservation efforts towards the Jaguar population. Jaguar. I think you're flying a little close to the sun with the Jaguar, but my article is that the person who found a planet with water on it, he lives super like solitary area was assassinated

recently. What? Oh, yeah, I heard about that. And he's like an MIT like genius, right? What the heck?

Yeah. So, I don't know.

out. It was like the guy that recently was working with Fission Energy Creation from Fission. It was like making huge, like, whole fusion, I know I'm saying it's like this. It was like he was very close to discovering new energy sources and then wound up dead. That's pretty weird.

I forgot to prepare for this one, but I am remembering a headline I saw recently. I don't know if this is true, so take it with a grain of salt. But apparently the company that runs Pokemon Go had to remove a poke stop that was on Epstein Island. Yeah.

I saw it. So, I don't, that's a, that probably good to do if that's true.

“I was going to say, nuclear power, I think, is starting to gain some popularity again.”

And I'm, I'm all in board for that because the more I learn about it, how clean it is, how efficient it is, and how, like, better they've gone about safeguards. We should be, like, fully investing in nuclear, in my opinion. So, let's go. Anyway.

All right. What's the next category? Jerf. I got more. I don't know.

That might be it. What's your best advice for someone going on a first date? I got one.

This one's actually kind of funny if you think about it a lot, but I always say, listen

more than you talk, which is, I think that's still probably really good advice. But if both of those, both of the people on the date were given that same piece of advice, it kind of turns into a Mexican standoff to see you can, like, talk less. So it turns into a kind of a competition, which I think is just really funny to think about. It sounds like it could either go great or be a very awkward date, right?

No one talks at all, is how I'm envisioning that going. Just listen, that's kind of your perfect date. It sounds amazing to me. My advice I always tell people, but I've been out. I haven't been dating for eight years, but when I used to be on the dating scene, I would

always say, and what I would do is just, like, just plan dinner. Or to dinner, and if you're getting great vibes and things are going great during dinner, then maybe plan a second thing, like go see a movie or go to the bar, do whatever else. But don't force people to do more than just dinner if you're meeting for the first time,

“because if it doesn't go well, then you have this, like, other thing you have to do,”

and it just sucks for everyone.

So just plan dinner on your first date.

Sure. You know what I was dating, there's plenty of those dinners that we would do more. Like it didn't have to. Wow. I'm not saying that in a sexual way, as I said that it came off that way.

I meant we would like go get a drink or we would go for a walk or whatever else afterwards. But like, it doesn't, if you plan multiple things, then it feels like too much to me. That's the advice. I like keeping it short. I'd say go to the duck ponder, bring some bread, go to the duck ponder.

Throw some bread to the ducks. Don't do that. Yeah, don't throw bread to ducks. So there's some bread to them. They're not, they can't digest it.

Who am I going to throw on my bread at, I guess, just humans? Yeah. And then, I don't know, maybe a dessert, but keep it short, like, less than it. And then afterwards, you know, you got to play it cool with texting. You can't do to them.

Don't overdo it. Yeah. Yeah. One. Okay.

All right, do we want to do worst advice you've been given for dating? Sure. All right. The one I had was like, that dating is a way, is a pathway to marriage.

“Like that that's what dating is for is to get married, because that's what I grew up”

leaving is like, you date to marry. And I think of fashion. Yeah. If that's your like view, then you're not getting a lot of good things out of these people that you don't want to marry.

And by going on dates with people that maybe you're not like supposed to marry that person, but there's like some good things you can learn from that person or a gain as a human being. Uh, that's also very valuable. So to me, it shouldn't be like your goal as I have to get married. It's why I cut a lot of like cool budding relationships off early was I just like, I'm not

right here. Get married. Right. I know. It's a bad way to look at it.

Yeah. It's told it's actually kind of a smart move to ask your date for some money, because it shows that you're comfortable enough around her to ask her for a favor. And it's just like, even in the moment, I was like, well, that's terrible, terrible advice. Yeah.

It's fine. I kind of see where they're approaching that from, but yeah, if I'm like, you're especially

on like a first date if you're just like, hey, could you spot me 10 bucks?

It's like, yeah. It's crazy.

You know, Wes is college friends told me to never get the door for a girl.

I know who you're talking about right now. And I'm so embarrassed that I was even friends with him. He was also into like, nagging to, which is also terrible advice. Don't nag people. Don't be mean to people for any reason.

Oh, I have a few listener questions, if we want. Great. Yeah. It says, best programs to support Montana wilderness wildlife. I really like swan valley connections.

They are like focused on doing really good wildlife work in between the swan and mission valley. I really like vital ground, their grizzly bear, non-profit does really good work with connecting grizzly bear populations. I really like who else, let's just stick with those two for now just to not like muddy

the water too much.

But those are two that I really do like a lot.

Oh, MPG Ranch is another one. We'll put them in the mix, too. Do any of us have, or this is from fancy, full fairy beads.

“Do any of you have a favorite new animal fact that you just recently learned?”

I can't think of one off the top of my head. Yeah. But it's interesting, they spotted a grizzly in Yellowstone like earlier than they have in forever. It's not quite a fact, but more of that.

It's been such a long winter. Pufferfish do a really elaborate art installation on the bottom of the ocean to impress potential suitors. They do, I don't know exactly know what it looks like, but it can take up to a week for them to finish, which is you would think the water would kind of disrupt it or something.

I don't know how it works, but I thought though there was probably why it takes a week. Yeah, there's one of those BBC like blue chip documentary series that showed that. And it like blew my mind almost more than anything ever has, like seeing the display that the fish made to attract me. It's so cool.

Yeah. Rare, so say as cowboy boots, yes or no. It's a no for me, but yes for other people. Yeah. I think they're cool.

“I think they're cool when they're not trying to be cool.”

If you like a trying to be cool at them sometimes. And sometimes they're cool. That's more for me. Yeah. Like, I like when girls go for it with them.

I don't know. They just look good on me. Yes. But I think they look good on a lot of people. Mexicans have a 100% batting average when wearing cowboy boots.

I'm always just like, yeah, you're doing it, you're pulling it off.

I'm always smith 9/11 or to pray for Mexico right now. Yeah. I will. Sure. Why?

Did you not see other Mexico stuff? No. It's something bad happened. They killed like the head cartel person and now the cartel is like in Port de Viarda and there are different cities like taking hostages, killing people.

Oh man. It's like they're talking. I know. It's stuck in Port de Viarda right now. Yeah.

I can't keep up with all the trouble. Jeez. Anyways, troubles. Off of the hat note, Rory Smith 9/11 asked can fish and drowned it. Yeah.

We actually talked about this, you know. Well, I want to answer this one because I have a story that I feel bad about. Sure. I got to confess. People are going to maybe think a little less of me but when I was just a dumb

“college kid, I didn't realize fish could drown, right?”

And my friend had two goldfish and I thought it would be funny to buy 30 more goldfish and put them all in the same tank as his two goldfish. So I went to the pet store and I bought 30 goldfish and I put them all in his little fish tank and then they all started drowning and it's because they didn't have enough oxygen in the water.

They were all having the same oxygen. So I learned the hard way and I felt really bad in my roommate got really sad and like a different two goldfish ended up living but then he didn't like those, yeah. Yeah. So I'm sorry, Brett.

Yeah. I mean, and that's like them running out of oxygen in another way that we just talked about they can drown is like in our bullshark episode where we talked about how if you put fish in the wrong environment, then all the water like rushes into it and they like salt and fresh water and I forget which way it was but if you know in there's one

way where they pretty much dehydrate underwater and the other way where they essentially

So that's another way that they can drown.

Yeah. All right. Cool. All right. Well, thanks guys.

We'll talk to you later. Can we talk to you? All right. Love you, guys. Bye.

See ya.