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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. - Welcome in all you faithfuls and traders. For the last episode of "By Order of the Faithfuls," we are recapping episode 11 from season four. And I guess episode 12, the reunion on Wells Adams,

the long side, Dolores, Catania, Dolores. I know that everyone's kind of like, listening to this, but if they are watching the social clips, I feel like you're in a new location, every time we do show it, we're out of here today.

- My life is so crazy, well, but I can't take it, bring me back to the castle and stick me in a room and forget about me. - No, now I'm in my dining room, but I've been this week. I was stuck in Florida with the storm.

I had to drive to a different location. It was like a four hour drive to get to another place from Miami, in a Sarasota. It was crazy, so I've been in the past week, three different hotels, and I even lost my wallet wells.

- You did. - And the Uber driver gave it back to me. So I got onto the lift app.

I called the bank first to get rid of my business account,

and they were like, can't do nothing now. I'm sorry, I go, but somebody could write a check for a lot of money from my business account, and he's like, sorry, yeah, we can't do anything till tomorrow. And tomorrow's Saturday, so we can't do anything

“that neither you have to wait till Monday.”

- Whoa. - I almost had a stroke, and then the cash, like, 'cause Frankie's getting married, I'm putting cash away. I'll put it in this little envelope,

everyone's in the wild, to give it to him the day of his wedding, so he could pay people and give it to him and stuff. Just like Petty Cash for him. - You are the most Italian person I know, I think. (laughing)

- Not since like the Godfather, have I seen like that? - You know what? - This was summer. I'm putting cash in a envelope away. It was like a little Louis Vuitton wallet. Anyway. - It's something for you and for your troubles.

Here you go. - Yeah, that's like your Frankie. You pay them, pay to tip, pay to tip, pay to tip. Meanwhile, they don't even tip in your own. (laughing)

So it's like, so finally, I got a call after my stroke,

and running around the lobby of the hotel, throwing stuff out. It's the addition, no less. And I got a call back from the Uber driver saying, you just happened to get lucky today. - Yeah. - You got the right guy,

but I was in three different Uber's. - Oh my God, do you not have one of those, like a Apple tag or a Neuro tag in your wallet? - No. - Oh, I got your money back. Not everyone gets their money.

Allora, let's get through into episode 11. - Talk about good deeds. - Okay, I know. So that happened to me, and that person was rewarded.

but we'll get to that, but this was, well, what do you think?

- Like, I want to say a couple things. I want to pat myself on the back. I said in the beginning, I'm not seeing a lot of Johnny Weir. I feel like he's a big star. I'm not seeing a lot of Mark.

I feel like he's going far. Laura's not saying much, she's going far. I was right about all those people getting to the end.

“- Are you predicted it through the T, that was amazing?”

- But what I didn't predict was what happened at the end, and we'll get there. But what a fun season. We both run season three, we've obviously watched all the seasons. Prior, where do you ranked this one? - Oh, it gets better every year.

It's the new, it's the new number one. I mean, I liked our season better for the most part, but this was really good. I mean, this was the traders. We had the faithful season.

This was the trader season. - Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you know, our season was one for the good guys. This one was one for the bad guys. - Exactly, that's what I'm saying is.

So I wouldn't say one's better than the other,

but it's just two different things that were both amazing.

- Mark gets murdered at the open of the episode. Were you surprised that's who Eric and Rob chose? Or do you think that was the smart move? - So because I'm a hopeless romantic, I wanted him to murder her, murder more.

I wanted Rob to murder more. Because I wanted to save her from what happened to her at the end. I wanted him to not use her right to the end to cut her some grace. And she was ready to go.

When she was standing there and they were standing in front of that, she's like, it's me, I'm going, I'm going, I'm going.

“She would've been, okay, I think that the finale is not the end for her.”

I think she's got some, she's got to work through some trusted things now. And I think she was really hurt by this. - Yeah, I had to say so. Listen, for all of Rob's faults, he is a very good chess player.

And he was thinking down the line of my last piece, even calls her his queen, like my last piece is using mora at the end of this. And he played it perfectly, but I do hurt for mora. I feel like, and she's so beautiful. So it's like, we're a weird thing to say.

But like, for whatever reason, she has been kind of like, dicked over on every TV show, she's been on. It seems like, and it just happens again. And I don't know, like, at some point, I'm rooting for her to have a win on one of these shows. - Well, it's not just on TV, it's in life also.

But I can speak to a girl who's been through it. - Yeah. - And mora eventually, you'll get it. - Yeah. - You're going to get it. And you're going to say, no, you're going to see the science, and you're going to run, and you're going to see the red flags,

and you're not going to play into just listening to what somebody tells you. - Yeah. - She fell into the charisma of it all. And by now, after going through what we know about her life, and what we don't know about her life, you know. From the things we know about her, and what she's kind of been through,

“you have to say, yeah, learn to look past the face value of it.”

But this is a girl talk from me and her, if she wants it. - Yeah, I mean, like, there's a part of me that's like, I'm so sad for her, because I think one of her great qualities is her trust and people. And I feel like that's now going to be turned. But then there's also the like, you know, fool me once, shame on you,

fool me twice, shame on me. - Well, it's twice, shame on me. - Yes. - And so it's somewhere in between there. You know, the face was kind of one, had she went with Johnny and Tara. - Yeah. And that's what I was going to talk about. - Like, um, who was fooled for a very long time was Johnny and Tara.

But they finally figured it out at the end. Was it, was it, was it, was it made it? - Was it too late for them? - It wasn't too late. It wasn't time how they had the right people to back them.

But you see, Rob was always, was already 20 steps ahead

with that one person he kept close to him that was the deciding vote. - Yeah. Well, and Eric also was his sacrificial hand. I feel like I always felt that he was going to do what he did there. - I always knew he was going to stab Eric in the back in the last minute. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.

And why Eric was surprised, I don't know.

Eric came in in the end.

He didn't deserve, really, the win.

He didn't deserve to have that split with him. I don't think he did anyway as the Trader's now.

“- It's interesting to see who Rob keeps around there at the end, right?”

So he's got Eric who is new to being a Trader and very naive and very sweet. And you have more of-- - And that's somebody he could go over. He couldn't have gone over on Mark like that. - Absolutely not. And then he keeps more around who is very naive and very sweet and very trusting.

And then he also has Tara around who is been wrong so much, very naive, very sweet. And yeah, it was almost like he kept a bunch of-- I don't want to like disparage them because they got much farther than I did. Like weak links left and it made it easy for him to coach people off.

- Well, he-- he-- not one person standing at the end with him. He was the star players.

The last one to go who kind of really got the game was Mark.

- Yeah. - And he murdered him in the smartest way. Like he's like, this is the last time I'm getting to do this, he's going, you know. - Yeah. - Are you surprised that Tara's conversation with Moira

didn't hold more weight with Moira because Moira also seems like she's kind of buying into it? And is she playing a part here or are you surprised to me-- - I don't feel bad for Moira when you say that. - I kind of agree with that. Like as much as simply as I have for at the like that final scene.

Tara gave her so many opportunities to make the right call, you know? - I had that same conversation with Brittany who was the trader in the end. Who was turning me on trying to turn me on Dylan. And I went to Dylan and I said, and I didn't trust that Brittany wasn't a trader because of her and Danielle going out at the night before.

- Yeah. - So I thought she was a trader but she was trying to really convince me to turn on Dylan and I went to Dylan and I went in as face and I said, if I find out you're a trader, I'm going to fill you. I'm going to drive to California in my truck and I'm going to find you and I'm going to go.

“And I was still like, you know, you have to come to terms what you're”

last that you're a decision in the end and you really just don't know until the end. You're never 100% sure. If you make it to that fire pit, you still don't know who you're standing across from. One of the three people that I ended with could have been a trader. I really didn't think so and I was lucky we were all lucky.

But more and more I had more than enough chances to get out of that. - Yeah and I said it before it's been clipped and used on other shows but she was just extremely dignitized and it just is what it is and I feel I do feel for. There are a couple of things that we can rely on in life, right? You would death taxes and the final mission will include a helicopter on traders.

Good one. Would you jump to the water I know you would have? I would have yeah. I would have like, I'm doing this. I would have liked to see more a jump in the water and do something more than she did all

season. Yeah, but she couldn't screw it over. I know it's funny. I wonder why Paul doesn't notice with me there. Really?

It's not a really beachy place where they come from. Where's Paul?

It's never they're both from Ireland.

He's from Dublin. But it's an island. Yeah, but the water's cold and the sun is never out. It's rained in Ireland right now for 60 days straight. Oh wow.

Well, I mean, I've been to the beach in Ireland. I wouldn't be going to the water. Not going to the water. Yeah. And the sand is dark.

Looks like mud. It's mud. I know you're not in our wrong about that.

“What would you have done? Would you have stayed on the docker?”

Would you have gone in the helicopter? Nobody has built impulse over there. Sorry, God. What would you have done? Would you go on the helicopter?

Would you stay on the docker or like in the boat? I would have been on the helicopter. And I would have jumped in the water. And I hate being cold and I hate cold water. But I would have did that because that's an experience.

Yeah, I agree. I will say this though, you can tell how cold it is just by Johnny's shaking like a chill. They were free. It was unseasonably cold when we were there, too.

Yeah. And it was raining and it was cold and yeah.

probably getting in the water,

warmed Rob up more than Johnny just being wet. Because a wet suit traps all that water in there. And then your body he heats it up and then you feel fine. But because it looked like that Rob was much more comfortable at the end of it than Johnny was. Rob's like of, you know, knock around guy.

He's like hunting snakes. He can't be there shivering. He's going to be like, I'm good. I'm saying they stand there with one shoe on. He had to be cold.

I don't care. But he's going to take a like a Alabama man. $20,000 extra for Rob jumping in there. It's going to him, so. Yeah, everything he did was flawless.

Like I've got to say, no one has ever.

“I don't think I think I always say like this is going to be hard to beat.”

Yeah. I don't know that anybody else is going to play as smoothly as him.

And if you think about it, a big part of the way Rob handles everything was he never lost his

cool. Yeah. Never. Never got emotional. Because when you get emotional, you you lose.

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this episode is a must-listen. Listen to the spirit daughter podcast, starting on February 24th on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. Back to Castle, more as playing both sides, she tells Tara that she'll vote with her or then a sure's rob in Eric, she's on their side at the final round table.

It's a pretty interesting vote.

“Eric and Rob vote for Johnny, Johnny, and Tara vote for Eric, more votes for Johnny.”

No one votes for Rob, which is surprising, but unfortunately for Johnny, it is his last round table. And you know what sucks is that when you get to this point of the game, you don't get to say if you're a faithful or a trader. We have that, we have that, because then, and that makes sense for them to do, because then you're

going in front of the buyer pit, and you're saying was there one, whether two traders left, was there only one, it just makes the game more intense.

They should never, ever change that, which I don't think that they will.

I know, I just, I could see where the faithful's faithfuls were coming for, well, it was really only more I guess, but I could have seen Johnny being a trader. Like, I definitely could have seen that. Oh, me too. I love their relationship, though. I have to say, I grew a love for their relationship separate from even the game. Oh, yeah. I didn't. I wasn't sure that I liked them

a first. I wouldn't have trusted them because they hit their friendship at first. You know, trust is something you earn, and the fact that they lied right out of the box, or they were sneaky about something and weren't transparent about something, would have always bothered me about them. Yeah. I wouldn't have been able to let that go because there's only so much you could hang on to in this game. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I understood why they played it,

though, where they did it, it just ended up being good fuel for Rob to, you know, an axe suspicion on them. Um, so after roundtable, they obviously don't know if they were successful, right? Well, I guess Rob and Eric do, but Rob tells more that they need to get Tara out next, and then Mora also wants to go for Eric, so then they pinky swear, which is going to be something that bites Rob. And by the way, Mora. Yeah. Um, so did she want to get Eric out

because she thought he was a trader because then she should have voted for him at the roundtable. Did she get him out because she didn't want to split the money with him? I think he can choose things be true at the same time. Mm-hmm. Mora. Mm-hmm. Think about this. You could have voted for him at the roundtable and been a girl's girl in stuck with Tara. Yeah. But you didn't really think he was a trader. You thought Johnny was a trader. So now you're saying pinky promise,

we're sticking together. We're going to get him out at the end and me and you run off with the money. So maybe a little bit you deserve it. A little bit. I don't disagree with you. In that moment in the kitchen when they make that pinky promise, they both think it's just going to be us at the

“end. We've made this plan and we're both going to win the money. That's what they did to Mercedes,”

the season two season two. Yeah. And that was a shitty move. I agree. Um, yeah. Because she doesn't. She doesn't believe Tara in the beginning. She votes for Johnny. But then she believes Tara after they get rid of Johnny. I mean, I guess the argument is

that well, I thought the last two traders were Johnny and Eric. But that has never been the dialogue.

This is a good fire of truth. Um, they have to, you know, decide if they want to end the game or continue to banish. Um, for the first round, all four players want to banish. When Rob threw red. Yeah. Eric was like, it was so much like the scorpion and the toad story. Oh, yeah. When the scorpion promises him, toad get me across the river and halfway through he, he likes stabs him in the back and the toad is like, oh my god, why'd you do that?

Yeah. Rob's a snake. There is a way that they could have gotten the traders out.

“So the first, the first vote, if they had, if they had gotten Brawbow using, let's say,”

Mora Tara and Eric's vote, that would have gotten Brawbow. And then they could have voted again with three people and gotten Eric out and then had been the last two standing. There's the last two ladies. But that's just obviously not what went down is they, they banished Tara. I just can't believe of all of the mistakes of that Mora made in this, I'm amazed that she believed that Tara was a trader. She didn't. She just wanted, she just wanted it went with Rob. Yeah. That was it.

Yeah. You're right. You're 100% right with her. She trusted Tara. She never thought Tara was,

was a trader. But she was, she was playing, playing mean in the end. And it backfired on her. It did. So, you know, Rob played like an amazing psychological game for sure. They end up voting Eric. Eric is completely just like heartbroken about the whole thing.

“But what if she said, and, you know, there was something that Eric said to Mora, did you catch it?”

Yeah. Be careful who you trust, right? So, yes, yes, yes. He kind of gave her a hint. He wasn't mad at her. No. And, but it's so frustrating because he says it to her. It's too late. You really believe that Eric's a trader and he says that be careful who you trust. That means he knows something and still it seems to fly over Mora's head. Well, that doesn't surprise me. But here, Mora sits there and goes,

something doesn't fill right here. Yeah. Oh, God, Mora. Finally, Mora reveals to Rob that she is a faithful, obviously. And, um, and then Rob has to tell her that he's a trader. Mora, I mean, her jaw drops to the floor. She was waiting for him to say, "Just kidding." Yep, JK. Just kidding. Yeah. Oh my God, do I have a pimple? Oh no, it was funny. No. Just get as flawless and perfect. Thank you. Thank you. It is so good. You're so sweet.

Oh my God. I would have followed you to the end. Yes. It told me my skin's flawless. Sometimes you tell me my hair looks good. And that's all. That's all it takes. And I'm 55 and I've been screwed over nine million times in my life. And I'd still go for a kind word. You can get it, Mora. You can book it anymore. I'm not going to be a hypocrite sweetheart. I take it back. I get it. I get it more. Rob, uh, the winner of season four of traders. And I just got a,

I got to give you a golf clap my guy. I do. I do. You know, he's a really nice guy in true life. His sister has special needs. And he takes care of her. Really? Yeah. He just wants a simple life. You want to get married. He doesn't want to screw around. Well, Rob, I hate to tell you. You're just one traders. You're a heartthrob right now. Yeah. You're going to make money.

“You got it. Your, your, your simple life is going to be put on hold for a while because you have”

to make as much money as you can. Yeah. While you can. And if it's for your family, then that'll be your sacrifices, not having that simple life you're looking for. Yeah. Make a while of sun is shining. I didn't, you know, I didn't know that about his, his sister. And I kind of

applaud him. He, he never used that as a storyline. Like I really want to win because, like,

try to pull at heartstrings, um, with that story. But that's kind of, I know I feel good that he won all that money because I feel so good about it. He said he wants to help his family. I don't, you know, I think he comes from very humble means. Good for him. Uh, and well done, Rob, you, I think, and we'll see what happens going forward. But no trader has played as perfect of a game as you, um, yes, you left some bodies lying in ditches, uh, behind you. But, um,

high body count, high body count. But he's, you know, it's hard for a trader to to last the entire time. He did that, you know, and he got rid of some big name traders. I mean, getting a little, getting rid of Lisa, and it's like holy crap. You played an amazing game. But I do have a critique for him, okay? Or I'd love to hear it because I don't have one.

You know, we go to this reunion, which is three new suck. Sorry. Uh, they're never that fun to

watch. They're always like, you think there's going to be more, but there's, it's not. We're used to, we're used to quality TV for unions. Yes. Come on. I mean, your company unions, housewiver unions.

obviously, you know, Andy wants to needle in the question of like, you know, it seemed like there was a showman's going on, Rob between you and more. I like what was going on. They kind of tiptoed around it. Obviously, Rob is now dating somebody, um, but Rob is still doing the thing that he was doing on

the show. I feel like he's still like, maybe you never know to tomorrow. And it's like,

stop. I, I, you know, you go, you go. Well, you're a, you're a gentleman. You are a good guy. It's like, you, uh, you manipulated this poor girl all the way to the end. You knew what you were doing. You knew you were using. You're so right. You know, and so, so then once you want,

“you need to be like, stop, but he goes on this freaking reunion show, having a girlfriend. I feel”

bad for the girl, but being back home, because it was like this thing of like, well, maybe you never know who knows what's going to happen. You know, like, I'm going to buy you a broken back all this stuff. And I'm, I wanted to be like, Rob, you got to stop. Do you think he's going to fire? I think he

does deserve. She does deserve the bag. Absolutely. I wish that he at the end was like, you know what,

I'm splitting this with you. Like, I wish he had, like, I'm a trader, but I'm splitting this with you. Like, that would have made me feel better because she got him to the end. She helped him with 100%. I mean, more is going to be hosting the next like reality TV dating show or she'll end up hosting love island. You know, like, make some money. She's going to do just fine. Just fine. That's what would be her cut. Let's talk about this after taxes. You're really, you're,

“your number sky wells. I know you heard it before. I think it was 208, 500, right? So let's just say,”

let's just say it was 200 to make math easy. So if you split it between the two of them, that's a hundred. And then let's say, you went, one year at the pay, Scottish taxes. You got to pay two taxes. You got to pay two taxes. So let's say, let's say that's the way it's 60. Maybe she's in the game. She's making the money. This guy's just starting. He needs the money. He wants to take care of his family. You could buy your own bag more or you could buy,

you could find 500,000 guys lying in up to buy your bag is your hot as hell. Yeah. Like, it was funny because he's like, how much does that cost? Yeah. Start up this 10. Yeah. Those are expensive bags. Trust me. Let him keep his money more. You'll be fine. Well, I did see that Rob and Lisa did like a sonic commercial. And I'm sitting there being like, well, that's six figures for both of you guys. You know, like they're going to make more money

off the show than they did on. Apparently, more just got a laurel commercial. Yeah, she's a super model. What are we talking about here? She's amazingly beautiful. I'm Clayton Eckard, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor.

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Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We heard all these rumblings of what this reunion was going to be, and that Colton had stormed off, and Lisa went in on after it. It didn't happen. It was such a nothing burger, and I'm annoyed by it. Not Michael Robbopor bringing up the fact that I told

“and shut the f*** up before he goes. Oh yeah. Clip it, clip it, clip it. But what about Lisa did say?”

Oh, keep me held hostage. That was it. Yeah, what is that mean? That was kind of like, yeah. What do you think? I mean, I listen, I know Colton. I'm friends with him. I've been

critical of this whole situation of him. I thought this was a really good opportunity to

be contrite, you know, to kind of like try to make it right with the audience, right? He did. I mean, I think he explains himself as well as he could. But he also victimized himself a little bit. You know, I was going through a really hard time, and you know, and all that, and this stuff, but there was also someone else that was involved in that that I think was hurt. It was very hurt and scared and all that kind of stuff. And I wish that he had done a little bit more, because I think

that the audience wants to, from what I want, they want remorse, but they also want to forgive you. They want you to admit that you are wrong. I screwed up. I never have had a platform to really be like that. We didn't do that. We just wanted to hear you say that. Not that that would help. Maybe it's something. It doesn't matter. Time's done. You lost your chance to do it. That was

“chance. I wonder if they added some of the out. I'm not really sure. I think something didn't”

we don't know. And it just didn't look like it. Maybe the storm out was edited out. Yeah, who knows? I mean, we've done that reunion together, and it is a long, shoot day, and you kind of, you do break things up into like it's time for lunch, you know, and I don't know if that's what happened, and maybe they broke for lunch, and he got up and left. Kind of been. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure. Candace claims robbing Colton, robbing Colton cheated in the

game, but both guys deny it. Who do you believe? Well, can I ask you something if Colton said

to him? And this was what I was confused about. If why did Colton say that to Candace in the first place?

I believe he said that to her. Yeah. But if Colton said Candace is a traitor, robes allowed to go along with that. 100%. So we're, we're wrong with it. I'm not, I'm confused. Yeah. I think that the implication is, is that it was a traitor. Like he was telling Colton, having Colton know that he was a traitor that Candace is a traitor. And I think that once you say well, and Colton says it, he goes, well, I thought that Rob was a faithful. So

So where is this wrong? Where is this wrong? I don't know.

“Rob, no way was Rob going to do that. Well, a fell flat, nobody got in trouble. Yeah. Thank God,”

you know? Yeah. I mean, you know, there are standards and practices for people watching everything

to make sure that that's the other thing, too. You're right. That would have never. No.

They were to shut the game down. They'd probably started it over. I don't know what would have happened. One day, Wells, knock on what it didn't happen with us. Somebody's going to f**k like that. Oh, yeah. Somebody is going to think they're cute and smart. And you are not getting over that on on don't even try it. You will get sent home. There will be a war because they are on top of you and they are watching you like a Hulk. You're not getting away with anything and you're not smarter

than them. Yeah. But wait, you know what we didn't talk about? How when when more have found out, she like couldn't even stand up. She like leaned over and they paned over to Allen's face. And he was like, he was like kind of felt so bad for her until Rob kind of, until she started to speak and Rob started to speak. And then we were like, we were all holding our breath from the pain of it. And then once they started to have this dialogue with each other, you were kind of like,

okay, she's going to live. It almost thought she was going to die from a broken heart right there.

“I mean, I think I think her heart did break that in that moment.”

Yeah, you could definitely see on Allen's face of like, oh, I don't know. All right. Well, that I mean, that's season four. A trader's final thoughts

for you, Dolores. I think it was great. I think Rob played an amazing psychological game.

I think more is being called to like on the internet, just going to be called stupid in this in that, but listen, I get it. I get it. I get I think as a woman, we can all figure out why you followed him till the end. It's okay. You wouldn't be the first in honey. You're not going to be the last to be following him to the end of something. That's very, very true. Hold your head up high more. You made it all the way to the end, which is not easy coming from a guy who was out after

episode two. So I'm proud of you. I, I got to feel more we'll be seeing more of more on our TV screens as with Rob. Looking forward, it seems like the next traders that we're going to get

“is going to be civilians. You know, people who aren't on reality TV, are you excited about that?”

Or do you want it to stay with the like the reality TV stars? I don't mind having a break from the

reality TV stuff. You know, a lot of people online to their upset with the reunion and saying it was more housewife-based than it was strategy-based and game-based because housewives are more interesting. Sorry. But yeah. Very true. You know, the civilians game should be very interesting too. But at the end of the day, we are really all just human. Yeah. And we all act the same. Just take away our title of what we do for a living and how are we any different? Because we know we're

to stand in front of a camera or what angle we want to get outside of that. How are we any different? I'm excited for it because you as a civilian aren't known to the other people playing the game. So you can really be whoever you want to be. That's one of the reasons why I really want more actors to be on the show. I've been talking about this a lot. Someone asked me like, "Who do you want to have on this show? Who would be great?" And I was like, "I wish there was like

big actors." Not that Lisa isn't like a big actress and Steven as well. But I was like Christian Bale, right? Like or, you know, Daniel Day Lewis. These guys that like, you don't really know who they are. You just know that they become these method actors on these movies that you watch. But you don't know how they are in real life. And someone who's a really good actor coming there and be like, "I'm going to play this character, this entire time, which is nothing to do with me, but

you guys don't know it," which is what these civilians quote unquote can do because no one knows who they are, what they're about. They don't know what they're real job. I don't know anything about what they did in their life. So I did binge a lot a lot of that when I was asked to be on traders and I was going there as I was packing. I was watching all these shows on the way there, on the plane, watching all these shows. And then two days before

there was a player and I forget what season it was. It was a civilian player who lied about what

in the business, but said she was instead a banker or some other type of. I totally remember that. I can remember exactly what it was. I'm not sure if she was the music industry. I don't remember, but I know you're. She lied. She lied. I don't know what she was because she didn't want to be judged by

“any means, which to your point is good. Yeah. Makes the game a little bit harder, doesn't it?”

It's going to be fun. And one of these seasons they're going to do, I got to believe. I've also suggested this, but like I got to believe that one season they're not going to let us in on who the traders are that we're just not going to see or like you'll see him in the turret, but they'll blur their faces and their voices. I think that would be fun as an audience. I also wish that they would film it. It would be an easy cut. You could film the show and put out a version that

where you would you know who the traders are or you could put out a version where you don't know who the traders are. And it's the same show except they're just like cutting around going to the turret and you could decide on peacock. Okay, I want to watch the, I don't know version. I think that

“would be really fun. That's pretty cool. That's, that's really great. You should pat in that.”

I really should be a producer on this show, I think. I think you'd be a great producer on this show. Dolores, I love you so much. It's so fun. Yeah, and what a joy to get to, to look at your beautiful face so, so weak. I'm actually very sad that like this is over because I've had so much fun hanging out with you in townra, but there is good news. Maybe people don't realize this, but we are now Dolores and I are recapping episodes of Survivor season 50. Yeah. Yes. And if we're going to have

people on, it's going to be so exciting. And if you haven't want, listen to our first episode, which is

now turning into two episodes because it was so juicy and so good. We have the one the only the first winner of Survivor season one, Richard Hatchon, who's got a lot of opinions about a lot of things that are happening this season. So please start watching Survivor with us and we'll be recapping that every single week. Dolores, you could learn a lot from Richard Hatch. I just want to tell you he's so brilliant and so smart. Imagine just imagine being the first winner of 50 seasons.

Of a whole phenomenon that began with him winning, not knowing the game, being the first to win, and he's great. He's brilliant. Brilliant guy. So tune into that and you're going to get hooked.

Absolutely. I watched that first season. I watched the first couple that I kind of fell off,

but getting to watch it again, I was like, oh, this is very, very fun. And you have a lot of big names there. Obviously being season 50, Mike White from White Lotus is back and he obviously got a trainer for this because he's got a six pack. He's going to do well. But he didn't get a tan. I hope that he's tan by the end because he's translucent. I mean, his abs would show up so much better if he was tan. Yeah. Let's oil up Mike White. All right. We need a spray tan oil above.

Otherwise, like, yeah, that body deserves a tan. Yes. If you're not following this on social media, please do over on Instagram and app by order of the Faithfuls. Make sure you subscribe and yeah, and we'll be back again with some more recaps of survivor. We might be recapping other

reality TV shows as well. Dolores, I love you. I have an amazing view. Thank you. Thanks for a great

season Wells. Yeah. I mean, I was out your, your point of view on everything was so good. And I think you're just great. So thank you. I love you. I love you. I love you. Bye. And thank you to all listeners out there. We'll see you very soon. I'm Clayton Nackard in 2020. I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor.

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