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of Dirty Rush, and we are going to continue our conversation with the women who know it all. And they are our house moms, house directors, depending who you talk to. So our next guest is Shanna.
Welcome, Shanna, hi. It's a nice to be here, it's so nice to meet you. And I'm so glad to see you,
because we have been speaking with house directors,
the last one that we spoke to was 24. And so I'm trying to figure out how someone my age,
“which I think we're probably around the same age,”
gets involved with this. And I'm in a little bit in awe of you. I have to say, as opposed to someone younger like our last guest, but what a job for you to have. This cannot be, I'm sure it's wonderful and fun,
but also difficult and exhausting. - A lot of jobs are like that. - Fair enough, fair enough. - And so this one, you get a lot of good perks with it too. So it probably bounces out.
- How long have you been doing this? - 12 years. - 12 years is a lot of years. And my correct, that you did this, you were a house director for a fraternity?
- I was for four years. - Okay, okay. - And then sorority. And then I'm a consultant now for sororities across the country. So I've had kind of a different perspective
because I've been able to see a lot of different sizes of groups and great organizations and fraternities and sororities. And also the house mom versus house director versus property manager. You know, choices that people may now, just because of the size of the organization I'm primarily.
- So, okay, so I had a house mom when I was in a sorority named Aunt Milley. So we're going back hundreds of years of course. But I now, is it just, you could still say house mom
“is that to some women like it, some women don't like it?”
- I'll tell you, it's honestly the size of the organization and the size of the school. There are still some small schools that have house moms. And most house moms are very proud to be called that. - Yeah.
- You know, and a lot of them have been doing it for a lot of years. And so it's a compliment, you know, I think to those ladies that are less on the property management side, you know, they're going to be more, you know,
in a house of seven to nine girls, probably no more than 20 of them. - In a pretty small organization, they're going to be the ones that order the food, the cook, you know, that make sure the house is plain,
That make sure the girls are safe.
And it's a lot more likely what your situation was.
- We had, well, we had a lot of girls, but we definitely called her house mom and she was definitely felt very maternal. - Yeah. - So your house director, so is there?
So you live in a house with, I'm sure, a ton of young girls are. - The school I've been calls it a property manager because we have about 400 in organizations. And then we feed them twice a day, which is massive.
So we have a staff of six in the kitchen. I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to stop for a minute. You're in charge of 400? - Yes. - God bless you, my friend.
- Yeah, that didn't give you the meat.
“- That's a lot different, that's why I mean,”
it's a lot different.
Our house is old about 40 people that actually live in,
but the chapter rings and the dining ring is seat 400. So they're not little houses anymore. It's like running a motel, honestly. - Yeah, yeah, I could totally see that.
So I'm sure there are obvious differences between working for the fraternity as opposed to the sorority, but anything that we wouldn't guess. I mean, I would think that it would be, well, I don't know, which is harder.
- Oh, they're different, yeah. - Because the thing is that I loved about the fraternity were probably the things that are very similar to sororities, because it was funny. You come in the dining ring and you hear
I'm talking about a recipe that they cooked, or some perfect way to grill out, or planning a party. They have the same questions, and then they wanted
to make it the best they could.
And so the biggest difference I saw will make you laugh,
“honestly, when men drink too much, right?”
- They tend to get angry sometimes. We're women ugly cry. - Yeah, that is the biggest difference I've seen. - So I think I think if I had to choose, I would choose an ugly cryer.
I think that's just me, then that angry drunk. But I mean, nice to know that it's good for both. - Yeah, one of the best parts of this, what are the most fulfilling parts of this? - See the growth.
I think the leadership, most of the students, I've seen in the organic organizations are of majors and checkers. They're the leaders. They're gonna be the CFOs and the CEOs, CEOs,
and to see them take leadership roles in their organizations and just blossom. - Yeah. - And so many of them are much more prepared when they leave college, because they've already
had to get 400 people to agree on something. - Yeah. - And that's huge, so they're already leaders and their budgets are massive. - I mean, when they throw a party now, it's a $20,000 party.
“- You imagine, you know, it's a completely different, right?”
- Were you in a sorority? - Yes. - Okay, yes. 'Cause it wasn't like that for us back in the day. It was not $0,000, it was probably $1,500, it was a good day.
- Yeah, that was probably the whole budget. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - It's so different.
But it also depends on what regional country in, and how big the organization itself is. - Right, right, I mean, it's a massive industry now. - Yeah. - Where it formally was the chapter itself owned the house,
probably. And the chapter alumni, probably, we're making the rules. We're now, there's so many national organizations that it's, they're the ones mandating the organizational rules. And then some of the house directors are house moms,
they're property managers, whatever their title are, work for the state, which is interesting. - Really. - If it's a state supported school, they're often, and please, that's interesting.
So really a different world than what it was 40 years ago. - Well, so in the form of house director that your career has taken you, are you able to develop close relationships with the girls or is it more sort of your so busy running
the logistics? Is that as much, do you both? - Well, you live with these ladies seven days, 24 hours a day for eight months a year. And so you get to know every name,
you get to know their personalities, their quirks, their hopes, their aspirations. And you know, yeah, you get to know them all. - Yeah. Is that, what are the parts,
I would think there would be the most fulfilling? - Absolutely. - Yeah, yeah. - Absolutely, yeah. Just to save them, become who they want to be,
and be comfortable in their own skin. A lot of men and women that come into college that have been hovered upon by their parents, aren't sure if you're that gonna be. - Yeah.
- And organizations like Greek organizations tend
To really push you to be who you are.
- Yeah. - And that's really interesting. Sometimes to see how that transition works. - It's pretty cool. - That is really cool.
I never thought that being a house or I still,
let's get real. It's not something that I can handle. There's just no way. - Oh, no, I would just not have to barely handle my two kids. So I would not know.
I would not be equipped. But the way that you're describing it, I mean, it sounds like, yeah, it would be fulfilling. I'd like the idea of watching young people, I don't know, grow and, and,
- They did. - Yeah, I love that. - Yeah.
“- And it's the most, I think the 18 to 22 year old”
is the most, you develop your own individuality. You know, you begin to believe who you are and what you are and sort that out between who your parents want you to be. - That's good, yeah.
What do you think the worst part of it is? - The one percent.
There are, I always say that I work for the 99%.
And I tell my men and women, I say whatever you give me, I'm gonna give you back. If you treat me well, I'm gonna treat you well. - But wouldn't treat you well. You really don't have, like,
it's worth it, it's that one percent that I'll call it, and I think you'd find that any organization. I mean, I've been in leadership and in the C-suite offices of my life. - Oh, really?
- And I find that with every age group. I mean, people in a board room compared to, you know, to people in a Greek organization. They're very similar. But I think that thing a lot of people don't realize
is the chapter itself is run by the members. The house directors or house moms don't really get involved in that leadership or training of that, because they are so self-sufficient. And they're guided by their own principles,
they're guided by their own philanthropy. You know, so a lot of that is kind of nice to be able just to watch. - Yeah, you don't have to take part of that. So yes, it is hard to get logistics of a house manager,
depending on how many people you have. I mean, there are some houses now, they're like dormitories that have the entire organization. There's one in Washington State. I think has 400 people in it.
There's one in it, so that has 40. - Wow. - They're massive. - Wow. - Wow. - Of course, that is a lot of logistics.
With a lot of employees, you know, so you're managing that. But you're also watching these young men and young women
blossom into amazing leaders.
“- Well, what about, so what about you and your personal life?”
Is it hard to have one? And I don't know your situation. If you have a partner or a family of friends and your buy, is that hard to juggle? - I would venture to say no,
because you get so much time off, right? - Okay. - You know, it's not a 12 month job. There are some schools around quarters. Some that are on some masters.
And so I'm so low and you know, love that. I like children and grandchildren. And I think it's very, you know, you can balance it. It's just the way you would any career, it is balanced. But you know, we do get enough time
to travel and do things that we want to do. There are organizations that allow couples. Generally speaking, if a attorney is gonna wish that they had a man or, you know, like I was in it for attorney also, but they are generally not gonna allow
a man in a sorority. I have not seen that. - And you said that, yeah, yeah, 'cause I was talking to a few of the directors that said yes, that it is, like they have a significant
other that person can come into the suite. It can't go into maybe the main areas. But and that there are now, you're able to go in as a couple, sometimes at some schools. But so the fraternity just said,
the fraternities would rather there be a man there than the sororities would. Do you think the fraternities respond to you as a house director, as well as they would a man, somebody, 'cause you were living in the house?
Or is that hard to manage? - I don't find it hard to manage.
“I think most of the young men that come into Greek”
organizations are going to be respectful to anyone. - Yeah. - You know, I said there's that one percent, you know, that in any organization aren't gonna be, as they're gonna be a little bit more of a challenge.
- I think that one percent would creep up a little in a frid house, but that's just me. - Yeah, I think so, maybe so. - Yeah, so it depends on the support system. - Yeah.
- You know, house directors and house moms get a support system from zero. You know, to some schools, you know, you live on the property where you're the university ends it. So you're under the police service
and the fire service and you're under the counseling service and you have so much support from the Greek office, so the student life office, that that gives you so much help every day
With what you're dealing with.
I mean, because you have to be a psychologist and you have to be a student. - You have to be a business manager
“and a finance manager and then you have to know”
how to deal with students. So the more support you can get and the more training you can get, I think it really makes a difference. Like I said, now it's a career, it's very different.
- Right, that's what I'm here, that's what I'm picking up on that this is like an actual career. And I don't mean to say that in any kind of a condescending way. I just think that when I was going through the sorority life, I didn't think that my house mom,
it was sort of women that were older and just sort of like maybe single, I'll do this for a while, not that it was something that necessarily people set out to do. But it's interesting, just one problem I'm hearing.
It feels like maybe there is a career path here that now people are taking it, considering it more to sort of long term. - Oh, absolutely. - And then please sit or, I mean, just think about how many jobs
do you make $50,000 to $90,000 a year
and have free, absolutely wonderful, amazing chefs
cooking for you every day, you know, and power and water and parking and insurance in all of those things and the fun site 12 months a year. - Yeah, that's pretty sweet. Pretty amazing when you look at all the benefits
and you, yeah, the position can be challenging,
“but I think being a school teacher can be challenging.”
- Sure. - I mean, construction work can be challenging. It's all that, like I said, I think it's the support that you have in that university or the support that you're able to ask for.
- Yeah, you know, I like I said, I've been privileged to be on a lot of different campuses to see how a lot of that management style works from it being owned and operated by local alumni group to be owned and operated by the university
or to be owned and operated by the national organization. They're all very different and they're all very different and how those career paths look. - Yeah, yeah, no, I've definitely learned a lot, just talking to you guys because no seriously it's an important job.
Obviously, I knew that before we spoke, but just in terms of thinking of it as a career or even people just being able to put away money, you know, even if you're younger, let's say, and you're in school. - There are a lot of graduate assistants
that are looking more and more into it because they get free housing, they're on campus. You know, it's a 24 hour day job for sure. - But there are some organizations that allow people to have full-time jobs,
they're professors on campuses now that are looking at this and saying, wait a minute. This is a really good, you know, good situation. Let's go do this, right?
“- And I think that like you say, it is surprising”
when you talk to most people about, if you were in a 40, 20 years ago or 40 years ago or even 100 years ago, it has changed incredibly. I mean, now you've got organizations
who's the budgets or 500 to a million dollars for one chapter
or just their budget plus a housing corporation budget. So it's a big business. - Well, listen, I think you make it sound easier than it probably is, that's just my guess. You seem like the top woman that could just handle anything.
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- Okay guys, so next, we are talking to my new friend Lori. Hi Lori. - Hi. - So I'm hoping that talking to you, you could tell us some secrets.
Tell us some of the crazy stuff. Tell us some of the wacky stuff. How long have you been doing this, first of all? - Bull times since 2003.
- Wow, okay, so you're not kidding.
- No, that's stories. - Before that, I substituted it for people who went out of town. - Oh, wow, okay, so you know the ins and outs of this. So yeah, we're getting a good idea
in terms of what the responsibilities are, although I'm sure they differ from house to house. - Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, yeah, so, but tell us, is there anything you could tell us
“in terms of like crazy things that happen with the girls?”
Stuff that you, anytime that you've had a manage, what feels like something that's not manageable? - Well, sometimes I just think back to, okay, what was it like when I was in school, what would I have done and what,
what was I thinking when I did some of the crazy things I did? Because I wasn't, I am a sorority member also. - No, I think last night, somebody wanted me to fix somebody else's pants that they had borrowed sneakily.
And I'm like, no, there's no fabric there. I mean, I can fix them, but you'll know that. - So they wanted you to be, they wanted you to sew them because they had to sneak, oh my God. - But, but there was no fabric to put it back together.
And I said, no, I can fix it. - Yeah, but it's not like, it's like, yeah, no, yes. - Did they try to, they probably try to get you to do all that kind of stuff, like, save their,
just save their asses. - Of course, I mean, you know, right. 'Cause I'm like, I'm like the mom, but not. - So what kind of mom are you? Are you strict?
- I have a couple of, I'm gonna die and you seal rules. And then the rest of them are like, okay, could we do something different? Have you thought of this? - Right, mom.
- So what are the die on the Hill Rules?
“- You have to wear shoes in the dining room.”
- Love that rule. - Oh my God. - Love that rule. That's your die on the Hill Rules. You're the coolest house director ever.
I thought you're gonna be like, don't you ever, let me see a boy in this house. - Oh no, I know, 'cause that would happen. - That would happen. - Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, so no shoes in the dining room, wow. That's not bad. - No, I don't think so. - You have any stories for us like crazy things that have happened that you've had to deal with.
- At one house, the room, the day room that was kind of the party room, sadly for them was above my room. (laughing) - Sadly for them, what about you?
- No, 'cause I'm a really good sleeper. So that wasn't the problem, but I woke up and I heard something and I thought, oh no, I'm gonna have to get up and really, and it's like, okay, well, okay,
so you get up and you go upstairs and you knock on the room on the door. And nobody answered. So I opened the door and they were having a party in there
Totally just dancing, nothing, building or it,
nothing wrong, okay.
And they saw me and it was like statue, suddenly.
(laughing) Oh, did we wake you up? I said, no, not really, but, you know, knock it off, yeah. And they were so apologetic. They even apologized the next morning.
We were so sorry. They said, right now, it's okay, don't worry. What do they call you? - Lori. - Okay.
- Yeah, I'm so sorry. - I came in at the point where most people were no longer called Miss whatever, or Miss is whatever. - Right. - Right.
- Right.
“- So, well, so are they crying on your shoulder a lot?”
Are you, sometime, not as much as, you know, not as much as you would think, but, but there's, I'm happy to listen to whatever they need to say, I'm pretty good at not telling people who said what? - Right.
- I've been lucky that I've never had any real dangerous things
happened to anybody. - Oh, good. - I'm glad, I mean, are you catching them smoking pot? Are you catching them with boys in their bedroom? Is that just sort of part for the course, drinking?
- I have found liquor in the house, but the house director's role is not really the enforcer, you're more the reporter, because they have an advisory board, they have a house corporation board, got it.
They have an internal group of them. And so it's more like, if you run by me with the beer, I'm gonna take the beer. If I see the beer in your room, I'm going to report it to somebody.
- Okay, I feel like that's a happy medium. That's one of my, I think that's reasonable. - Yeah. - Right. - I think so.
- I think it is, I think it is. And what's the part of this job that you enjoy the most? - I love being with this age group. And you know, don't get me wrong. I'm ready when I need to go on break for Christmas.
- Yes, I'll bet. - I'm like, okay, no doubt. - Go now. (laughs) - Take your time. - But I actually took a year off, a couple years ago,
'cause I thought I was retiring, and I didn't realize how lonely I was. I've been living with this many people. And I love being here. - I love that you love that, really,
'cause I think it takes a very specific personality type to put up with this. - Oh, yeah, I don't know.
“I mean, you have to have, I would think the patience”
of a saint. - Pretty much, and you have to be a good sleeper. - Yeah. - I mean, yeah. - But, you know, sometimes they think they're very loud, and usually the house mother's room
is situated not where the party room is. I mean, are you kidding me? I have no trouble. I don't notice the noise very often. - Yeah, I mean, you have to not only be, you're in this supervised role,
but also are you managing the house, the logistics of the house? - Yes, most of us are partially property manners. In fact, over the years the name has changed to, in some sort of, it's called facility director,
or property manager, how's the director? - Yeah. - So, I just spent all the spring break dealing with vendors who I didn't have to babysit because there was nobody in the house, but me.
So, the sprinkler ran the fire extinguisher man, the hood cleaner, the hood inspector, you know, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. Have you ever had a, like I said,
you aren't the enforcer necessarily. Have you ever had a kick a girl out of the house? - I have been instructed to do that. - Namaste, be fun. - I was so uncomfortable. - Yeah.
- Go uncomfortable.
“- How bad do you have to mess up for that to happen?”
- Well, they, I mean, all sororities have bylaws, national, you know, coat of conduct, local conduct. So, sometimes you just have to leave. - Yeah, yeah, the girl, I felt the girls, it seems you just seem very sweet and warm.
Do they just love you? - Oh, I think they do. I mean, I was like, the person who called me yesterday and said, we think you would be great at this, Lori. - I'm like, oh, that's so nice.
- Yeah, wait, somebody called you yesterday and said you'd be a good, on a podcast. - Well, this is, yeah, so-- - Yeah, they were right. - Yeah.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe you should consider this as well. - You should be the podcast from the house. - Oh, yeah, I know. - Our podcast is called Dirty Russian.
So nice people think that it's about all the negative aspects and it's not. - And I have to say that, cross my mind after I saw the name of the thing and I went, okay. But I was assured that it was not that way.
- No, it's not, I mean, I've been in a sorority or other hosts of our sorority girls as well. And we all had wonderful positive experiences. We do like to get down to, you know,
there's always another side of everything,
Not just obviously not just--
- It's not for everyone. - But it's not for everyone. And what does that look like and is, and most of the girls that we've spoken to, the best part of being in a sorority has been that year they spent in the house.
- Right. - My daughter railed against it. She didn't want to do it and it ended up being her favorite year. - Right. - I love living in the house.
- Yeah. - I love the sleeping porch, you know, all the things that people don't like about that sleeping porch, I loved it.
“- What's the sleeping porch for listeners to don't know?”
- I guess the closest thing would, it looks oftentimes like an army barrack. - Right. - So that's right.
- But the plus of it is it's always dark,
it's always quiet, you can always take a nap there. And I, when I was in school, which was quite a while ago, nobody had, obviously cell phones weren't existing. So nobody had their own alarms. We had a wake-up person who woke us up.
- Right. - Wow. I guess we did too. Did we have that? - Some crazy person who wanted to do that house duty
of at six o'clock in the morning, they'd come around and go, "Lory, it's six o'clock." And if you didn't get up, they were back in 15 minutes to do everything. - Right.
- Right. I don't know. I would hire that person to have come to my house and my kids. - It was so nice.
- You know, and then after about nine o'clock in the morning, you could have an alarm clock. - But yeah, yeah. But you're able to also have your own life, your own social life.
- Oh, absolutely, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, good. I'm glad you have family around that you know I don't. - You don't. - I consider these my girls.
- Really? I love that. They are very lucky. Wow. - And because I was an advisor before I did all of this,
I have girls who go to range from early 60s to now 18. - Wow. - And you'd sound like you just, you really love them. They're so lucky. - Ooh, you know, you don't have the same relationship
with everybody, but of course. - I have great relationships with a lot of them. I've been to weddings, you know. - Really? - I've met babies.
- Oh, I love that. Yeah, I was saying when we opened, I said, you know, my experience with Aunt Milley,
“and that's the only way that we knew her.”
We didn't have a particularly close relationship. She was really just sort of the rule, the enforcer, you know. And, but talking to people today who do what you do, it just seems very different to me. Like you're really able to, you know,
have something fulfilling. - Well, I think the expectations are different. You know, the society is different. Expectations are different. - Right.
Most people feel like they don't need the second mom
until they do. - Yeah, I do. If you're around. - Yeah. - God knows, okay, my friend.
Well, thank you so much for coming on and sharing. - We're welcome. Have this work with us. We really do appreciate it. - Thank you.
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