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And thank you. So for over 30 years, Elisa Donovan has been a part of multiple iconic pop culture phenomenon known for her roles in Clueless, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and Beverly Hills 90210, just to name a few. In addition to your entertainment career, Elisa's passionate about supporting women struggling

with eating disorders and is an advocate of spreading awareness and recovery in February of 2022 when President Joe Biden proclaimed National Eating Disorders Awareness Week. Elisa was a panelist for the groundbreaking conversation with the White House Assistant Secretary for Health. Well, that's exciting.

It was pretty exciting. So you've been invited to the White House and you've been there at the United Nations. Wow.

It was really something. Wow. Yeah. That's very cool. Pretty amazing.

“Elisa currently lives in San Francisco with her husband and daughter.”

And right before we started this podcast, we were talking about how we just realized

that we both have 13-year-old daughters, which is, that's a whole not a lot. An easiest thing on Earth, I don't know why anybody thinks it's hard. Right? It's so easy. So easy.

I actually think we could do an entirely different podcast, just on raising 13-year-old daughter. I think that we could too. Right. I think that we could do.

Elisa has a podcast called Killer Thriller, which is on the legally brunette feed. So why don't you tell us a little bit about what's your passion, a true crime, how did you start this? Yes. What are some of your favorite cases?

Yes.

You know, mildly, if not extremely fiercely obsessed with true crime, and I always have

been.

“And I think I am clearly not alone in that.”

And to me, it's really, I'm so fascinated by the human condition and human behavior and how we get to these extreme places. Like, is it absolutely unimaginable or, oh, can you see how a person could get to XYNZ? So I've always looked at it from that perspective. And then when we, we thought about for this podcast, let's talk about the narrative

films and TVs that are based on these real true crimes. Right. So through the lens of how do you tell a narrative story and do justice and make, it seems to me that the common thread from everybody that I've spoken with is that what you ultimately want to do is tell the emotional truth of the story, whereas sometimes they will shift certain

facts just to move this story forward, but essentially, you want to keep the emotional truth. So I can't tell you how much it's really been fun and it's been so fascinating. What's a case that sticks out in your mind? What's something, because this is what I do, because this is what we talk about. We talk about true crime, legal issues, you know, whatever's in mainstream media that

people are talking about currently that has to do with legal issues. I lay in bed at night and think about it. Oh. It's a case that just, I mean, because let's be honest, Karen Reed was in my mind for months and months.

And you know, how I even heard about Karen Reed was driving on the 405, and I see people with signs that say, "Free Karen Reed," right. I'm like, "Coach you're going to win." So I interviewed Katie Cassidy, who plays Karen Reed in the lifetime movie. I, that whole thing, what I find so fascinating about all of them, the one that really

stays with me, is the Murdoch murders? Oh, yeah, the Murdoch's. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's like in the peeling of the onion that just keeps going and each thing that happens

is more unbelievable than the next and how diabolical this man was. Oh, yeah. And it's everything. It's narcissism, it's gaslighting, it's utter violence, it's domestic violence. It's, it has everything in it.

And to think how someone could murder not only their wife, but their son, their son, yeah. It's so despicable, and I interviewed Mandy Matney and Liz Farrell, who were the ones who started the podcast, the Murdoch murderers podcast, and they sort of broke the story. But Mandy also serves as an executive producer of this Hulu series.

So she was like this, the perfect guest, because she could speak to both things. It was that the recreation that the had actors, right? So that was the drama to say she was a bar in Hulu, okay. Patricia, our cats. You know what?

I have to say, I think that was very well done. I liked it.

“The only thing that bothered me so much was the timeline.”

They threw the housekeeper first.

Well, they threw the housekeeper into scenes where she had already died. So that is so. Bugs me. So that part, I didn't realize that until I did the research after of the timing. And then it was something that's one of those things that they changed it.

Because I think she was already, and she already passed away by the time certain things happened. But they wanted to be able to tell the story and a continuous fashion that it made sense for her to still be alive. But I, to me, that stood out also, but it didn't bug me, it bothered you.

It bothered me because I felt like it took away the credibility of the story and the facts because to me, if you're watching it and you're aware that they've thrown this housekeeper into stories where she was already dead, but they had her continuing to have conversations with the sun and be involved in these scenes. Right?

Then it made me think, I don't know if I trust you with your facts and credibility. I mean, that's a question that comes up, and I know from what Mandy said, they wanted to make sure they were establishing the relationship between the housekeeper and Paul. And then they had that, like, a real bond so that it would also kind of humanize him a

before. Right. And it really could create it. Yeah.

“Well, let's move on into some current breaking news.”

So we're going to talk about Savannah Guthrie's today show interview. So I don't know if you had the opportunity to watch it. I know it's a two-partner.

The Savannah Guthrie has spoken publicly for the first time with Hoda Cotby following

the disappearance of her mother Nancy. On the Wednesday, March 25th, broadcast of today, Cotby revealed that she recently conducted an extended interview with Guthrie. Cotby said this, the discussion was deeply emotional for everyone involved, including co-host Craig Melvin, Al Roker, and Carson Daily.

Before sharing a clip, she explained that Guthrie is part of the interview to appeal directly to anyone who might have information. Now have you seen any of the clips? Yes, I saw. I did not see the full thing, but I saw a clip of it.

Yes. What's your takeaway on where we're adding this? I mean, that's been 54 days at the same point.

I first of all, it is just devastating to watch anyone talk about someone who has under

these circumstances. And I just see so much grief in her face and then disbelief that I personally do not understand why they have not found. They have no, I don't understand it. I don't have any of that.

I don't have any of that. I mean, in that video of the perpetrator at the door is so haunting and so the security video, I just don't understand how... And I also don't understand because I mean, with the whole ransom situation and the emails coming in and the asking for the money, it's like I don't understand how in this age

but they did just try that forensics and all the things that we can do and how we find like the Golden State Killer after 30 years because of forensics and everything. How we have video of this man, how we have emails coming in and asking for ransom money and how it's been 54 days and there's no break. There's no break.

There's no break. Nothing, no information. And then how she must feel to be so helpful. How pleasant, like, impotent to do anything and then there's no... I just find it... I find it so... it's just devastating. So in the excerpt, Guthrie, Visibly Emotional says, "Someone needs to do the right thing. We're in agony. We are in agony. It is unbearable."

She went on to describe the toldy situation has taken, adding, "I wake up every night. And in the darkness, I imagine her tear, but she needs to come home now." I thought that was very poignant when she said that because she's laying in bed at night in the dark and visualizing what her mother went through. She was woken up in the middle of the night and kidnapped by someone and there's blood on the porch and the back doors open. It's so awful.

“And I... I would imagine, you know, she's doing this because that you've got to try everything you can, right?”

And you don't know what is going to maybe touch someone to say, "I do have some information." Or you just don't know what it's going to be. And I feel like it just takes so much... She must just be exhausted, like utterly... Yeah, and you know, the fact that someone out there knows something. This could not have been pulled off by one lonely person. Right, there have to be other people in this.

Yes, in this. So, you know, the fact that it's been 54 days that there's no further information that someone hasn't come forward. It's just... You know, it's interesting, Elizabeth Smart made a statement on this. And we also, in Killer Thriller, I interviewed Skiet Ulrich, who plays her perpetrator in the movie that she narrates.

Well, that's a bit smart. She is an extraordinary human being. But I remember her statement pretty earlyish on, maybe it was like two weeks in or something. And she said something to the effect of "Do not give up hope." Because, you know, she was gone for nine months. Yeah.

And so, she was saying things about the police are doing everything they can. But it's really the public and the people that are around that can have some real impact. So, don't give up on this person. Right.

“It isn't only the first 48 hours, like you have to keep searching.”

Let's feel realistic for a second.

It's been 54 days. She's an older woman. Yes. She needs medication. And she wasn't in great health.

I believe in the interview. She says something to the effect of her mom could barely make it to the mailbox on some days. So, I know. I feel that she's still a happy ending in the situation. And to say that, but I feel like, at this point, I don't, I don't, I know.

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I mean, really, I feel like they've exhausted all possibilities.

The police have done all the forensics. Obviously, their hope at this point is that someone remembers something, sees something, says something.

“And that's the only way I think it's going to be solved at this point.”

Because I just, did they have no thought about where she would be? I just can't, I don't know, I find it so, like, discouraging in general. Well, what is your thought on? I do believe also in this interview, she does make reference to saying that she believes that it might have something to do with her. Sometimes I was stalking a situation where someone has an obsession with her,

but then they can't get to her. So the nearest thing they can think of is to kidnap the mother and have, and that's the way to get at her. Right. And I can't imagine having that feeling, not only like we talked about laying a bed at night

and thinking that it's not my mom, but they're about telling me. This happened to my mother because of me and my public persona and who I am. And then living with that. Oh, God. It's just so much to metabolize.

And I, that was the first thing that I thought when I heard about this,

was that they must be kidnapping her for the financial gain that Savannah could get to that. That's totally why we connect. Yeah. And what happens to be connected by a newsy person in the middle of nowhere, right?

Exactly. That's all right. Well, we will continue to follow the story. Obviously, we will hope for the best in this case. Yes.

But we will let you know when we get any new update.

“I do hope that she feel I think she does feel that truly, like,”

the whole nation is willing for her and people really are, I think their hearts are really with her. And I have to believe that that means something. I think I really do think it does. I think so.

All right, let's move on. If you, you would have to live under a rock to not know who Taylor Frankie Paul is at this point in time and life. I can't even pull up my phone. I know.

Without seeing her image, she's everywhere. Everywhere. So let's talk about Taylor Frankie Paul's domestic violence allegations and the Bachelor at. So back in February of 2023, this was the initial incident.

So Taylor Frankie Paul was arrested in Utah after a violent altercation with her boyfriend. And baby daddy Dakota Mortensen. And I don't know. Do you watch the.

I do not. How the women housewives. The secret lives of Mormon wives. Okay, I did watch season one. And they did showcase this domestic violence issue.

They did. They showed some of the police body camp footage. They they talked about it. But I feel like it was downplayed a lot. Oh my god.

So they knew about it. And they just continued with her way. So then according to court documents. And this surface video that has just magically appeared. Did you see it?

I did see it. So she threw metal chairs in a wooden play set at him. And one object reportedly hit her young daughter who was present at the time. I believe she was sitting.

“If you watch the video, I think she was sitting on the couch.”

Yeah. I think the difference between the weight of what she did in 2023 was in 2023.

That video was never released.

That's right. And I think it's very easy for people to read. Oh domestic violence altercation. They show a little body camp footage of her talking to the police saying we got in a fight. And I think people easily can brush that off and move past it.

But once the video of that 2023 incident came out and you saw the full footage. It cannot unsee it. It's so upsetting. It is apparent as a human being. But especially as a mother.

I'm like you. She should be arrested. This is outrageous. Like that person is unhinged. And the fact that it wasn't just one chair.

Right. Right. That's right. It was. Yes.

Maybe I could give her the benefit of the down. Okay. Okay. In that moment, you just lost your, you lost your crap. And you had you picked it up and you threw it out.

And you didn't immediately recoil and say, oh my god. I can't believe I acted like that. You threw another chair. And then you came out and again. And then there's like a play set.

Yes. And yes. And you hear your child crying. But you're still going to get another chair. I don't.

I can't. It seems very. So then this, this is that 2023 incident. She was charged with aggravated assault domestic violence in the presence of a child, child abuse and other counts.

So then in August of 2023, she enters a plea in a bayons to felony aggravated assault. If she complies with the conditions, which is probation, treatment, no new crimes, the charge can be reduced to a misdemeanor and the other charges were dismissed. And then as we've talked about this video from the 2023 incident has resurfaced or not resurfaced.

I assume this was just my assumption because I think TMZ maybe was the first one to release it. I assume that he was just so over her. Yeah. And then he was still on the Senate to TMZ. Sure.

Yes. Because I know there's a lot of speculation even some people were saying maybe one of the other wives on the show where the one said release it. You know, I mean, maybe in a show like that he sent it to them and said this is what I'm dealing with. Right.

I tried to get my brain. You know, I don't know. My assumption was that it was him. That's 100%. Yeah.

Yeah. Because I tell you, public perception of her.

“I think really changed once that video was released.”

At least according to what I see on that. I mean, I also well.

I personally had never heard of her before this.

So I didn't know anything about it. And then I went and immediately initially you think a woman accused of domestic violence. I always questioned it and say, what did he do? Right. First to make her do this.

Right. You know. And even when you watched the video, if it didn't go the way it went, I might have continued to think that. You know, that he has that he was like provoking her and doing something he's gasping her. But then when you see what actually happens,

I went, oh my God. Well, her level of aggression is unreal. No, it's unreal. And it's unreal. And it's unreal.

You can't explain it away. You can't make no excuses for it. No. There were multiple times where she just should have just walked away. Yeah.

She stopped and then goes at him comes back and thinks about it and does it again. Exactly. Yeah. So I mean, it's, it's so egregious to look at. And it's so awful.

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“So do you watch the Bachelor of Bachelor at series?”

I don't watch. I feel like I'm too old to watch it. Yeah, I feel like I just can't. I just can't either. Sorry.

I don't mean any done. I don't know judgment. I don't watch. Yeah, I don't watch. I feel like I'm just too old to watch this stuff.

Right. Clearly be like too depressing. Clearly we're watching true crime. Yeah, exactly. We're watching the aftermath of the Bachelor.

Yeah. The Bachelor. You know what bothers me though. The Bachelor at was well aware of these incidents. Well, this is what I was going to say.

Yeah. Listen, I've done one reality, well, two in my life. Well, I did the worst cooks of America show. Right. The celebrity version, I'll be a woman.

So you're not inviting me over for dinner. Okay. So I actually am a great cook. So that show, they do background checks on you. Right.

They do. Like I not only did I have it like a psychological interview. So my husband, yes, they do all of these things. So there is no way that they were unaware of this tape. They knew and they just said we're going to shut it down.

Right. And then when that video got released, they were like, now, you can't talk your way out of this one. Yeah. So we just have to cancel it.

I just can't understand why would they chew of all the people. There were other people they could choose to be the Bachelor. Like why her? I don't know. And she clearly still had ties to Dakota because she even talks about in an interview

or something that they had sex. Right. The night before she left to go film the Bachelor at. Oh my God. So it's like, what were you thinking?

Right. You know, I don't know. I don't see a future for this franchise at this point. But we will see what happens. You know, Roll Doll.

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Alright, let's move on to this story that I find extremely interesting.

“Oh my God, this is, first of all, have, do you know what cornhole is?”

Let's start there. Let's start there. I do know what cornhole is because we do have friends with homes in Sonoma and Napa, and I got a cornhole in the backyard, right? I do know what that is.

Okay, I didn't know that you could be a cornhole champion. Well, I didn't know that. Okay, to be fair, I saw that. I guess the Cornhole Association is trying to get into the Olympics. I did not know that either.

So, all right, let's start there. Not good for that. This is a very interesting case that is a recent in the news, a professional cornhole player, and also quadruple amputee is accused of murder. So, this is a young man who's 27 years old.

He is a professional cornhole player, and the American cornhole league, and his name is Dayton Weber. And he became widely known as a quadruple amputee, which he lost. So he lost means all limbs. All limbs were lost as an infant.

“I believe he had a severe blood infection.”

So all limbs were removed. He gained attention for being highly independent. He drives, he competes in sports, and even handles firearms. Despite his disability. So, I actually watched some videos of him firing a nine millimeter.

How does this happen? I don't know.

But he doesn't have fingers.

So, I was watching. I watched the video multiple times, because I was trying to understand, because it shows the gun popping off, right? So, I'm like, how is he pulling the trigger? But somehow he's able to pull the trigger.

Wow. Anyway. So, we know that he can fire. Okay. Okay.

So, let's talk about what allegedly happened. This has happened recently on March 22nd. Ever was driving a car in Charles County, Maryland with three other people.

“So, I believe he had his friend with him in the front seat.”

Right. And then he stopped and two other people. I think they worked together or something. Jumped into the back seat. Okay.

So, then there's four people in the car. They're driving along. Please say that, Weber, the amputee that's driving. Got into a very heated argument with this front seat passenger. And this man's name is Bradric Michael Wells.

I guess it was so heated that he, while he's driving, reaches over. And gets a gun. And picks up a gun and shoots him twice in the head. While he's driving. Extraordinary close range.

Yes. And did they not even get in a car accident? There was no light. No. I think he was a question in the whole time.

Then I believe he asked. So, the two witnesses in the back. He asked them to get the guy out of that he just killed because he died from the shooting. And then the car took like, he asked them to get him out of the car. Can you remove the sky from the car?

They were like, heck no way.

“They jump out of the car and then flagged down a police officer and tell the police what happened.”

So, this is the craziest story ever. This is insane. So, he drives on with the dead body in his car in the front seat. And then I allegedly dumps the body just on like the side of the road somewhere. This is madness.

And so they did catch him. They did. So, investigators say that he drove off with the body still in the car. And the victim was later found dumped in a yard in Maryland somewhere. And then he was tracked to Charlottesville, Virginia.

Oh, he was found at a hospital seeking treatment. But I don't understand how he was injured. Right. Because I mean, maybe getting the guy out of the car. It could be like a multitude of things.

Yeah. So, he got injured somehow badly enough that he felt like he needed to go to the hospital and have his injuries looked at. I don't know. And now he's in custody.

He is in custody. Yes. So, he was arrested at the hospital. And he was arrested as a fugitive. But, you know, I mean, I mean, this is again.

I don't, you know, I can't wait for the movie about this one because this is really. I think I don't even make it up. This is a TV movie. This is a documentary. This is something.

Because they're going to, it's the whole thing about his life. And then the cornhole and the cornhole champion. But a person to achieve so much, which it sounds like he did. Um, to throw it all away in this way. Like, I just, I don't, I, I find it so fascinating.

“Like, how do you, this man has had to work so hard in his life to do anything?”

So many things. Overcomes so many things. I know. Like, is it just furious? What did they fight about?

I, that's my question, too.

That is the million dollar question that I want to know.

And also from the guys in the backseat. No. I want to know that what was the argument of this? Why are you driving around with a 9 millimeter in your car? All of it.

Just, it must have just been laying right there easily accessible to, I don't even know. All right. So he is expected to face charges, including first-degree murder, second-degree murder, and use of a fire arm and a felony. Well, you know, the first-degree murder, though, first-degree murder is premeditated.

So I don't know. I understand the first. Yeah. What with how? I don't know.

I don't think that one's really. Yeah. All right. Other than he did have the gun in the vehicle, but I don't know. We just need more facts.

We need to know the conversation. We need to know the argument. How long was he in the car? I don't know. Right.

So maybe they do that because they can, if the gun was already in there, then it could be considered premeditated, even if they don't. So let's just throw everything at him. Yeah. Half the bull.

And go from there. So it was been so fun talking to you. Oh my gosh. I love to get to do this again. I hope we do too.

I would love to discuss more cases and get your thoughts and all the things. I would love it. I would love to do that. All right. So guys, please be sure to listen to Killer Thriller with a Lisa Donovan and tell me your thoughts and tell us what cases you want us to discuss.

Yes. We'd love to hear all the things. And if you have more information about the Cornhole player, please send me a DM because I really feel like I need to fill in some blanks. And this sort of info. Yes.

I would love that. So anyway, thank you guys so much for listening.

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