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Tamara Judge. She's so many headlines about the Mormon wives, like it's crazy. Something is going on with every single one of them at this point. Except for Whitney, she's just getting better and better and getting more gigs. Yeah, Whitney's thriving.

Oh, I love her. I know. But remember when we didn't? I know. She has her.

She absolutely won me over.

“I mean, I think we've always agreed that she's the most talented one on the last.”

Yeah, for sure. I far. I far. What did you hear the rumor, Mel, that the next pick for the Bachelor is more against.

I did. I just read that this morning. I think that's a great choice. I think she's absolutely beautiful. I think that she is sweet, nice, outgoing, I love her.

I think she would be great. And then I feel like my whole life has been taken over by Mormon wives.

Like there's not one day that I don't, there's not a million headlines.

Things are just nonstop. I can't even, like, the second that I think it might be done, there's more. So like, we hear now the next thing is, "Moman wife star Taylor, Frankie Paul, under investigation for third domestic violence incident.

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I mean, it's just, I can't. It's way deeper than we know. I've seen a lot of things basically stain, insinuating it's more about her defending herself and she's been in this relationship that's been allegedly abusive. Yeah.

And I do feel like we're not hearing the full story. Yeah. I feel like we're getting in the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a lot. It's a lot. I mean, both of them, I don't think need to be on reality TV. I think they need to get off. It's only going to make them worse.

They need to get off and fix their problems. I mean, I think the thing that's so frightening is that it just doesn't stop.

And she also, I mean, I know we'll get into it once we start talking about it.

But I can't even wrap my head around the fact that this is what the life that they're going through right now with those kids. I know. And then you see her out in her car, smiling and laughing. I mean, she said, like, what am I supposed to do?

Go stare at a wall? I get that. But maybe stay off social media. That probably be a start. Yeah.

Right? It's non-stop. I feel like it's hard to even recap these episodes because we're getting so much news

and real time that it's just craziness.

Yeah. It's not going away anytime soon. I obviously have put a stop to film a season five.

“I think that there's going to be, there could possibly be a delay.”

Maybe they hold off, let these things die down a little bit before they continue a season five and release it. I think there's definitely a longer pause than expected. I'm assuming that. I don't know that.

And now they are filming Orange County right now. Yeah. I know. Can you believe that, I mean, who else is going to be on that show?

I know somebody, well, my makeup girl, Chelsea, she's got friends from high school that

are on the show and filming. And then the girl that does my hair, Jill, she knows some of the girls on the show as well. So they're filming it already. Yeah, it's my understanding.

Do you think that they potentially knew that the original ones kind of falling apart? I mean, they had to. How could they not? I mean, they had to have known all this information. Yeah.

“Can we ever found out we assume, but we don't know, who gave the video to TMZ?”

Well, I think it had to have been to Kota. Well, it's not the court system and I can guarantee you that that video had, but here's another confusing thing. If that video was, didn't go through the court system, she would have potentially had her kids taking her way.

They, those videos, I think were shown there, but they were taken, like, I think it's just weird that it's taken so long to come back around. Right. And it's timing, as the timing is very interesting. But not only do we have all the Taylor-Frankie Paul stuff with Dakota, we're also having

call her daddy. Was Jordan, so was Jordan on, who was on Paul or Daddy? Was it, 'cause I saw something about, I was Jesse, and she was talking about Jordan. Right. And it was something to do with S. Quartz.

Yeah, the court's apparently been hired at hiring escorts and having orgies, and-- That's somebody you want to be married to, not? Yeah. But I mean, I thought, for a while, they dropped it at, you know, on purpose at that same time frame, so it would kind of die down and, like, nobody'd really see it.

But the fact that she went on call her daddy and she aired all of the dirty laundry, it means that, like, she wanted to be a part of it. Do you think that Marciano is running to her? Do you think she's talking with him? Do you think it's potentially something going on there?

No. No. Can't do that? No, I think she could do so much better. I think she's solely did that because she was just in a desperate situation.

Yeah. Well, I can't see. We can't. But on call her daddy, she said Jordan used to escorts and went to orgie parties and blackmailed her with the Marciano stuff.

She said he had to tick-tock ready to blow up her life when she went to grab his phone. He started recording her saying, oh, you're going to tailor me now? Mmm.

“I mean, this is, if you want to go to divorce, this is the share to go on.”

Well, any reality show, if you're not on stable ground and you're going on a reality show and you're, I mean, obviously, no, these girls are most of these girls are not stable in their marriages. They're going to Vanderpump Villa and they're two of them are having, you know, relations with one of the cast members while you're married.

Like, that's not good. That is not, do you think that a good outcome is going to come or not? No. You're going to get divorced.

They knew it was going to happen.

“They know it's going to happen, but I think they just hated their life.”

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Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, it's starting off with everyone in LA, and Taylor has Harry Jauzy over a while Dakota is there. Now, this is like a calculated move. She knows it's going to piss off Dakota.

She's, you know, it's not a smart move, but Dakota ends up liking the guy. Well, he does that on purpose just to piss her off. Yeah. And she can feel like on edge about it.

Here in Jauzy's never seen more uncomfortable in my life.

Taylor is spiraling over Harry and Dakota getting along. It's like, girl, just stop, stop. It's like, oh, shit, my plan backfired, and then Taylor and Dakota start fighting in front of everyone. I mean, everyone else is unfazed, but then you see Harry, like, I got to go.

I mean, Harry's not made for this life. He's like, well, he, like, was turning around red. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he was, the fact that he was going to cry.

The fact that he didn't even know what he was walking into, well, he was used. And that's where I would be pissed off. You used me. You invited me over here. Used me.

I hope they paid them. And then you got to fight with your boyfriend, like, and I was just be interested in you. Yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, he's like, give me the hell right here.

But now I feel like he loved it because he's done so many TikToks and different things that talking about being there. Giving more content to talk about on social media and gave him clown. But I love how Taylor's like, I'm going to be the bachelor at and I'm like, okay, Taylor, milk age is better than your words.

You're on it, but you're wearing it, see it. I've seen rumors where they said they're not going to air it on ABC, but they will air it on Hulu.

I wonder, is this going to be the ultimate girls trip in Morocco that never aired or is this

going to come to life, do you think?

“I think because kids are involved, it's probably not going to come to life.”

I mean, I think people want to see it, which shows how sick we all are. Didn't they have Colton, didn't he do something not so good and they showed his season? He did something not so good after his season. Oh, after. Okay.

But they still had him on traders. I know he got a lot of shit too. Yeah. Well, the next morning, Leyla and Macy walk in on Dakota and Taylor naked in bed. I mean, clearly they had sex.

It's like, it's a sick, sick relationship. It really is.

It's a, um, I don't even know what you call it.

I mean, I love that they don't even try it. They don't even try to hide it from everybody. I know. And everybody's so over it. So I guess walking like your son makes you horny.

I mean, that, that comment. And then they're all just laying in bed like, everybody's coming in. They're shocked by it. I love how Leyla's like a genius here. And she's like, thinks she's psychic.

She's like, this isn't going to end well. Do you think Leyla, uh, I'm sure that this happens was happening all the time. They were probably having sex all the time and makes more sense now.

They weren't together, but she was having sex with them all the time.

“And that's why she's been so upset every time he sleeps with somebody.”

Yeah. I think that's, I mean, it's clearly a very toxic relationship. And well, I hope they get help. I know, but I think all this is going to just keep blowing up more and more. I mean, this wanted to their helper gel.

Yeah. It's really sad. Did you see the video where Dakota was begging them to arrest him or not, her? But I didn't really feel like he was begging. Oh, that was just in the headlines.

I just heard him say, can't you take me? Can't you take me? Yeah, but he was, it was like, I mean, it's a nice gesture. Take me. Well, I mean, he didn't lock her in the garage.

He was going to deal with all that stuff, like domestic violence and all that that comes along with it. Well, did you hear the, um, the neighbors call to nine, yeah, I heard that too. That was frightening. What did you think about Macy's publicist calling to let her know that her book isn't

“selling enough and that she needs to make it a priority?”

And then she has a book event and Jessie's supposed to, you know, be there and help sell tickets and she would rather go on call her daddy, um, no, it was the, um, unwell event in Vegas, which I got an email about as well. Yeah. So, I mean, you were going to be one of thousands of people at this pool party, like

you should, she did the right thing. She ended up going, um, no who didn't do the right thing. You're going to say Whitney because this girl is, could you imagine dancing eight hours a day dealing with four, three kids, how many kids she has, having to fly back for an hour and then fly back home, it, she was exhausted.

I think there's a time where you talk to your men to a kind of shit talking, Jessie, she was to talking Jessie, I didn't catch that, yeah, but maybe she just didn't want to go. I don't know, but, you know, she didn't go and then Jen didn't go. I, I think they both were exhausted, both of them were in LA, I'm so, I don't know, I mean, she even offered to host when she thought Jessie wasn't coming.

Maybe she just said it to me nice, I don't know, but, um, may she talking about a book like this, I appreciate the authenticity of that, a lot of people would not let you know that their books not selling, um, that, you know, things aren't doing great and the publishers not happy and all these things, most people would be like, oh can you call me and tell me like, everything's great, right, but the book hadn't even come out yet, so it's not

like that it wasn't selling, they were just saying the, is it like three orders they were going on? Then the tickets, the tickets to the events, see, that's where I got confused, I'm like at the books on it, out yet, yeah, then how can it sell and let's get readers?

she's doing the book signing, so that's why they then added the meet and greet, they did all of these things, um, I love that there was not one man in the entire audience. Well, I mean, I'm not shocked, I don't think they could drag Eddie to something like that. I feel like there's gotta be someone that could drag their husband, maybe, um, oh my god.

So Miranda has a serious conversation with Taylor about having sex with Dakota, well not

being on birth control or using protection, first of all, how does she know, did she tell

her she's on on birth control? Yeah. She's just tracking or cycle, I like, girl, what, you have two baby daddies, things are going great. Do you want to have another kid with Dakota?

“But also, if Dakota's always having sex with other people aren't you concerned?”

And do they do SDD tests before you go on the badge, Sarah? I would imagine they do, I mean, could you imagine going in the fantasy suite knowing what we know? No, no, I honestly feel like Taylor's that type of girl that has to learn everything the hard way 10 times before she changes anything.

Well, I love how they're even like, are you going to use condoms on the badge, right? And she's like, I mean, do I need to? I feel like she just wants more and more kids. I mean, why does she treat like serious decisions like they're optional? Do I have to?

Do I need to?

What the actual, I love Miranda this episode.

I did, too. I just, she's really growing on me. She has. Then Whitney arrives at the LA House after dancing with the stars rehearsal, feeling like her relationship with Mom talk is stronger than ever.

Whitney has went from an outsider in my opinion to a voice of reason, breakout star, most likable, she's really done on 180. Yeah.

“She's done 180 and I mean, that's what we call foreshadowing.”

Her, her husband is, I mean, the where he started from, we're both at them started for it and where they are now, great improvement. Yeah. I mean, he is her number one supporter and she's so big. I think they're best friends.

You don't think they're lovers. I mean, even the conversation when they're at the pumpkin patch or wherever they were. And he's just like talking to her and he's like, "Well, then don't go." He reminded me a lot of anyone he was talking about those things. He's like, "You're overwhelmed.

You're doing too much. You could say no. You don't have to do everything and she's crying." And I know that exhausted feeling that she has. And I can't imagine being in LA and having to film in Salt Lake and go to LA and doing

all these things. She has a lot of her plates. So she has, Dan's with the stars at the time. She's got Seeker Lives and War in Wives and she just got a show picked up that she's going to be executive producer on.

A movie. A movie. Is like a hallmark or a lifetime or what is it? Yeah. It's a big deal.

It's a miss movie. And she's the lead. Yeah. And then she's got a baby. And what?

Three kids is it three? Yeah. And she's crying because she doesn't feel like she's been able to be there for her baby because she's just been non-stop working, which also makes sense and resonates and I appreciate her.

That's hard.

I always said like, even with women that had babies on housewives, how hard that must

be. Yeah. Because you're already exhausted from having a baby. And then to have to, you know, do all the things that we do. Yeah.

Traveling all that. And being crying on housewives doesn't feel like neither. And I can imagine the dad's all leave to get a hot dog and Dakota takes opportunity to tell them that he and Taylor had sex last night.

“Why did he feel the need to tell everybody who kiss and towels?”

But he smurks when he tells them because he's so excited about it. He's so excited because he had that, they get off on each other's like the fortune. And Dakota's saying hot dogs by being the manliest thing when it's literally sticking the weed in your mouth. I can't.

No. It's just, I don't know. That's bad. Then the girls got a lunch and spontaneously run into Jesse Palmer, who is the host of Bachelor franchise shows.

I mean, what a surprise, Teddy. Oh, can you even believe it? I mean, just ran into it. Just bunked right into him at lunch.

on the, and let's think he's releasing the ad. Like, because that's the thing, they keep teasing us with more trailers from it.

Well, at first, I thought, oh, this is just a fan.

Oh, me and my wife love you guys. And I'm like, why are they filming with a fan? Then I realize it's Jesse Palmer.

“Well, what about how I think it was Layla that was like, they're Jesse Palmer.”

And they're like, what? And she's like, right there. And she's like, points are like, way to keep it's weird. I mean, I don't think it wasn't a coincidence. It was planned, obviously.

Macy says in her confessional, I hope she doesn't sabotage your time on Bachelor at. But I feel like she doesn't think she deserves love. Yeah, I mean, but I feel like she doesn't think she deserves love. So not that I don't know if I said it, like she doesn't, she thought, I don't know if

I said that correctly.

But it was basically she's saying that she doesn't feel like Taylor thinks she deserves

love. Taylor is stuck in toxicity. There's a lot of people that I know that they stay in relationships that are toxic and they feed off of it. Yeah.

It's like everybody's seeing the train that's coming except for Taylor. Right. It's feeling it, everybody knows it's coming and then Taylor's just, I don't know. I mean, you can see Taylor's going through a lot. But also as you know that she's divided the internet, I mean, half the people are like,

we don't ever want to see Taylor Frankie Paul again. This happened with her kids. This is terrible. It's disgusting. And then the other half are like, give us more Taylor Frankie Paul.

“Yeah, I think that what I think personally, there's something missing.”

Yeah. We're not seeing all of it. And I think all the blame is put on her. And yes, we did see a video that was very disturbing and not okay. But I think there's more to it.

Yeah. There's more to it. Because all of them are saying to both of them, this is toxic, this is bad, this is, you know. Well, these girls have gotten a ton of opportunities on the show on Mom Talk. And they're saying they're discussing it.

Macy's upset the jessies choosing that unwell event and Las Vegas over co-hosting her book tour. I mean, if she says she's going to do it and then she chooses to go do that, that's not life altering change to go on unwell, like a big whole party. I don't, so she made, ultimately, she made the right decision.

She made the right choice. Once she knew that it actually affected Macy, she did the right thing. And they think it really seems like a good person. Yeah. And then they move, I love her.

They moved the venue to somewhere smaller and, you know, Jesse started promoting it and all as well in Mom Talk book, world. The book tour, then Jacob and Macy getting to an argument because Macy's the breadwinner

but Jacob is always telling her what to do.

Jacob thinks she should tell Jesse how she feels about choosing unwell tour over her. I feel like he's telling her what to do. I feel like he's trying to help her out with her decision making.

“Well, it's the first time I think at the problem is we haven't seen him be this way at all”

since he but now that he's back from the villa, he's got big ideas, he's got big thoughts, he's got a lot to say. So I think that's the big change. Like before he was kind of always silent and like just literally partner and would do anything that she wanted.

And now he's pushing back. Yeah, well earlier in the episode, Jacob said he lets his wife make her own decision. Yeah. With a way he emphasized, let's like I allow her to. That's kind of the old school, I think it might be, I don't know.

I'm not going to say you can tell he's raised Mormon because of that. Yeah. But I think Jacob is maybe gotten into Jordan's mom talk juice. So Jesse is back from New York and the girls tell her about Taylor and Dakota having sex. Jesse's psychoanalyzed his Taylor, Taylor didn't have a good relationship with her dad.

So Jesse believes Taylor just wants something to choose her. Which is what makes sense on why I should want to go on the bad side, but now we question for you. Do you think she's with somebody from the bad side right now? I don't know.

I couldn't imagine, especially after everything, I just saw something where she's with some football guy. I you can't believe everything you read on the internet, but I don't know.

Jordan brings out the truth box.

Jordan's producers wet dream because he is more messier than majority of mom talk. So Jordan is just like he's, he's in it to win it this season. He wants dad talk to go all the way at the top. He wants to go guns blazing. Well, I think he thought like him and Jordan, he probably knew back then they're not

going to make it. And he's like, I'm going to get a spin off and it's going to call dad talk. Yeah. That's what I think is going on. Layla Jordan wants to be in mom talk.

So bad. I'm like, I don't disagree with you, but Whitney is like piece out in gen suspects. It's because she wants to protect her image while dancing with the stars. I think that's true. Yeah, I mean, I think she also's gotten herself in trouble with that before.

Yeah. She's like, why would I want to be like, I think she's trying to stay clear at the drama right now. She's trying to stay focused. She really cares about doing the dancing with the stars.

And when you think about it, it's not like, Jen got really involved either. It was solely to bring up the, could you imagine the physical and emotional that goes into

“dancing with the stars, eight hours of dancing, all the other things you have to think about.”

Your body is hurting. To me, it just sounds like a nightmare. All I know is that when I saw Jordan bring out that truth box, I wanted to pass some a tampon. I know.

Well, it's like, do seriously stop being a little bit like stop it. Stop. Like, it would just wait to get your own dad talkspin off and you can bring out your truth box with your buddies. Oh, it's so unfair.

I mean, you can even see Jessie's face. Like, she can't even like, oh. She's done. She's done. I'm surprised they were ever even together.

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“The way you go into episode six, and it's sort of the Taylorn and Dakota's dramatic talk”

about the relationship it continues. Taylor doesn't feel heard in it, and she bugged out of me, I'm just going to put it out there. This whole episode, she bothered me. The way that she talked to Dakota, like, you on my knee talk, let me talk, first of all,

he was letting you talk, calm down. Yeah, he was letting her talk, and she was just not saying anything of any use. She just kept going, and later we see her do this with her mom, and I was, at then I'm like, I thought you were doing better girl, you're not. Well, I also think you can see a lot of her issues stem from her mom, not just her dad,

but she doesn't know. Yeah, I mean, they have a bit of a dysfunctional relationship. That's for sure.

Like, my parents have never called me stupid and dumb, or bitch, or none of those.

Yeah. I mean, like, I had the perfect childhood, so she's a product of her environment. Yeah. Yeah. But, what about how Michaela and Jason head out to mediate the conversation between Dakota

and Taylor? Because they're probably worried it was going to get something bad was going to happen. Yeah, that's the thing.

“Like, I think they all knew so much more than we know.”

Well, and at this point, we're even fighting over at this, I mean, the same thing over and over again, because that's a toxic relationship. Well, I'm tired of seeing it. I don't want to see the same thing over and over and over again. Well, I'm surprised that they even let him keep, like, he's not there with this kid. There's no reason he needs to be there.

Zero reason for him to be there. No. Other than to fight with Taylor, which then it's kind of like you look at, forget the batch to read, you look at secret lies of Mormon wives, that production team, and you're like, why would you want this?

And then we see Jen and Whitney are juggling their lies with dancing the stars and it's obviously very difficult. Whitney gets emotional because she feels like something has reconnected within herself by getting back into dance.

Like, she's always been a dancer.

She's a performer. She got married, young, had kids, just recently had a kid, and now she's at the top of her game. Yeah. She is doing amazing things.

I always say I always loved even before we danced with the stars or even before I even liked her. I loved watching her TikToks because she just moves. Yeah. She's talented.

I think she's a hard worker. I do too. Very hard.

“I think she's a hustler, a hard worker, and I think that even her agent and one of these,”

you know, when her agent called her to tell her about the movie was like, I've never known somebody to be able to not to use an Amanda quote, but manifest something as much as. Yeah. I don't know.

Is it manifesting or is it you're on a reality show and now you're getting opportunities? Yeah. Let's be honest. True. Yeah.

And then when we get to see Taylor and her sister, Aspen, meet up with her mom. Poor Aspen. She rarely said one word. She looked uncomfortable. Well, I think it's uncomfortable to have a conversation when they're all lined up

on one bench. Like you can't like have a, like I have a hard time when people are straight, like at least it, like if there's a curvature, you can have like a round table of conversation. Yeah. It's like looking down, it's a bad conversation.

Taylor doesn't want to open up to land. She lies. She says that she didn't have sex with them. She calls her mom, judge mental. She doesn't want to tell her.

Do you know why I don't tell you things? Now you know why. And then she ends up telling her, she's as addictive cycle with Dakota. And Taylor's mom started using religion to demand respect without giving it back. So it was not easy seen to watch.

No, I'm like, Leanne, the bitch is coming from inside the house. Right. Like, and she doesn't Taylor say something like she learned how she reacts is she learned at her mom. Yeah.

They're the same person. Same exact person. Well, now especially that her mom's gotten all that work done to look just like Taylor. It's weird. She doesn't have the extension store waste anymore.

I love Taylor.

This episode was like, I never even brushed my hair.

I just let Jessie do it. I'm like, well, you have a shit ton of extensions then. Then Michaela is getting stem cell treatment done for her skin condition and Whitney meets her at the appointment to support her. I feel like we're not hearing that much about Michaela this season, especially because we

We're not like they seem like a united front.

Yeah. So her and Jason are getting separated. I didn't really see that coming. Did you? No, but I know they had problems but I didn't see that coming.

Well, when they were talking about the sex stuff and she said it hurts her really bad, half sex. Well, if she's truly unhappy with her relationship and has been for a long time, it could be like her autoimmune issues could get better if this has been bothering her for so long.

Stress is not good when you have autoimmune issues. No, definitely. But you're seeing them like her neck and her face.

“I did not know that you, that's how you did stem cells.”

You just inject it right everywhere.

I know I didn't hear that. But yeah, she, who knows, who knows, and then Whitney, we get back into Whitney still saying she's going spread to thin, but she has a lot of mom go, Connor tells her, like he feels like she's choosing everything but herself. I mean, Connor, he's from Tinder to like Tinder.

And now, what Connor is probably the only husband on the show who doesn't seem jealous of their wife's success. No, he knows she needs, they need it. Yeah. He's like, listen, I'm the stay at home dad.

I'm not pretending I have a job, I will get, I will dress and costume for every dancing with the stars. I will do ridiculous TikToks. And for some reason, they don't even make me cringe when he does them, like the dad talk lens.

And I, I'm really liking him. I know, he's one man over. They both have won me over. Yeah. That shows how great everybody else is on the show that they have really won us over.

Yeah. Well, we obviously see the Michaela and Jay's not made progress. They went to a therapy appointment and she was asked how often she enjoys sex and the answer was never. Yeah.

She's really hurt. I just think it's between the two of them. I really do. I just like, I know she's has some issues, but she's clearly not happy in that marriage. She's just not and we know now that they're getting divorced.

So I mean, I hope that she gets healthier and happier and she has great sex with somebody new someday. Yeah. I mean, because she's saying it hurts every single time and then I'm wondering, they only had sex when the time when they're trying to get pregnant.

“Well, I think like you have to remember, like she was 16 when she got pregnant for the first”

time and he was 21. So she was very, very young to become a mom. I think she just needs to find herself a little bit. Yeah. And what about when Taylor and her mom meet with the family relationships, specialist, attempt

to fix the relationship? This felt like such a BS to me. I mean, it's a good, it's a, they should. They should. Is it going to work?

Yeah, it didn't look like it was going to work, it didn't look they were getting anywhere with it. No, the therapist tells Leanne she should listen to Taylor more as she doesn't respond well to being told what to do. Do you think Leanne's jealous of Taylor?

I think Leanne and Taylor have so much underserved issues and they haven't had any conversations. I mean, we see as Taylor is really focusing on trying to get to understand.

“Do you tell us about her own dad that her mom has never told her anything about?”

Well, we found out that she meets with, like a genealogy or whatever it's called. I love how I thought that that was like a person that looks up gemstones. Oh, my God, but that he has passed away because they show a picture of him. I'm like, oh, she must be in good terms because he signed a release to show a picture. But no, he has passed away.

And the mom talked about him, like, as if he was a horrible guy.

Yeah, and that they could never be happy and she did that for her.

Yeah. Well, it's time for Macy's Salt Lake City Book event. All the mom taught girls show up besides Whitney who has too much on her plate. And Jen, who's extremely sick. I love that they face time Jen and she's like in a towel.

I know. Jessie's upset because she got so much shit from Whitney for almost doing the unwell event instead. But yet she didn't show up. Yeah. So, but I mean, if there's one thing Jen's good at is knowing that they're going to call her to see if she's actually really sick and being perfectly prepared to be.

I'm not convinced she was sick. I just think those girls are freaking tired. They are tired and they're like, we're not going there for a day for that event.

Well, I think as Whitney had such a big response to Jessie missing it.

And then Whitney saying that she would host it, like Whitney went above and beyond. Like Whitney obviously had more energy that day.

“Like their days that I think I can do a million things and then like 10 minutes in and like, no, I can't.”

Yeah. So that could literally be it. Then Taylor meets with her ancestry specialist for more info about her biological dad. And then she finds out she has two, she has two, she has two who have siblings. And she has four.

So I'm assuming she doesn't talk to anybody on the family. No. I haven't heard anything about that. I mean, right now, I don't think it's a great time for her to be reaching out to these people.

No. I think maybe just Lalo, somebody's got to know who she is in the family. Yeah. Right? Somebody has to know.

Somebody has to know. Is there a grandmother? Is there? I don't know. I don't know.

“But I think that she needed more information from her mom about this.”

And her mom clearly has the information and didn't give it to her. Yeah.

So she's always been wondering her mom and her constantly fighting.

But where I start to see Taylor's like angry side as whenever she's having a conversation and she doesn't get her way, yeah, she really, she's like from zero to a hundred. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

And Whitney's agent calls to let her know that Christmas match has officially been Greenlet. This is the movie that she, I don't know if she wrote it or I don't know what she's going to have the leading role in this. She's going to be an executive producer. This is a big deal.

How much money do you think she's going to make off of this? I mean, I don't think it's a ton of money. Do we know what network it's on? No. We don't know what network it's on, but she's the lead.

She also gets an executive producer credit. She's been on, she's gone on, been on Roxy for how long. We know how much she made on dancing with the stars. I can only imagine how much her TikTok's make now. Yeah.

She doesn't need mom talk. Mom talk would only bring her down. I don't know that she will continue on mom talk with all the stuff that's going on for her.

“I think it's good for her to maybe not be as full time, but at least show her face on mom”

talk, because it is a big platform, you know, keep her face out there because sometimes when you're working on a movie, it doesn't, you're working on it doesn't show for a year. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a confusing time to recap this show because we are hearing so much in the news.

I really, I don't know if it's the algorithm, but my entire Instagram is flooded. Constantly, everything having to do with this. Yep. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of it, but then I still can't help but read it.

I know. Right. Thank God. I'm so busy filming right now. So busy that I am not spending much time on social media.

So, but anytime I just open it up, you know what it's going to be. There it is. There it is. But, um, I know what, well, I'm sure the amount of things we'll have by next week is, it's going to be endless.

I know. Do you, ah, gosh. I really just want to know if she was with a new bachelor by then, or if she's single and back on an off-wood Dakota. I, yeah, I don't know, but I don't know any spoilers about

her. Who's she ended up with? Was she engaged? I've heard little rumors here and there, but there's nothing solid on social media, right? No.

It's, it seemed like there was one guy, um, who made it pretty far and he's like kind of had her back on social media. But the fact that he's talking about her on social media makes me think that they're not together. No.

Because I think there's a certain amount of time that they can't talk about it because, especially if they made it to the end. Because nothing, it says, like, as of now, this is not being released. Yeah. When do you think mom talks can be back up to filming again?

I think they're going to take a while off. I think they're going to delay season five, rightfully so. These girls are filming, then they're aering and filming at the same time. Like, it's, they, they filmed so much. It's constant that they're like on the next season and they're showing the last season's

reunion, which they should never do that again, ever.

It's good to break the fourth wall.

I think I find that interesting. However, they do it too much. It's too much. The entire, I, I seriously feel like I'm watching a TV show of a TV show. Like, right.

“Was that show like the comeback without it being funny?”

How about that one show, um, the one dating show that was like a show about reality TV? Do you remember that one? Oh, yeah. The, the, it was like a guy. I can't remember the name of it.

Yeah. It was kind of like about the bathroom. Unreal. Unreal. That's yeah.

I think it's on Netflix. Go watch it. It's good.

It gives you some insight to some of these dating shows.

I know. But I, I wonder if we are going to see any of Taylor or we're just going to see a new bad surat. I mean, if we see Taylor at the eye heart music awards on stage, then I'm going to close it if we see her posting a red carpet.

Oh, my God. And I'll be like, I'm doing some wrong people. I'm doing some wrong. We're going to have to like go up and talk to her. Oh, for sure.

Yeah. We have questions. And I feel like she'll answer them for us. Yeah.

“I think sometimes in reality, the bad behavior is welcomed.”

Oh, did you see what happened to Mandalore's? Got what? Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

Yes. No. Thank you. That's it. So good.

But I'm for the other days. Guys, when we were talking, being Dolores, we're talking about how maybe a for super nice and mandible come on. They, I guess we posted a clip of that. And then she responded on like the stagnant thing at the bottom.

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