Ep 1282 | Jase Faces His Most Public Emergency Ever & Love Your Neighbors Before It’s Too Late

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Now, I'm working on Spotify, Abonnien and no questions. Our trio of Bible study warriors, and we're family, and we're family. Exactly, we're our family. We're just the Louisiana family with you from North Carolina. Have we told you we loved you lately?

No, yeah. In fact, Jason's never told me that.

Not only lately, Aber. I'm saving that for that special moment. I'm saving that. Well, first y'all, I got a love one. I love one another. I like that he's doing it out of compulsion's act of a command to love you. Yeah. I'll take what I can get in our minds.

Well, you can't be choosers. When I tell someone I love him, I have first Corinthians 13 in mind. And so when you say that, that is a responsibility. It is. I mean, when you think about the definition of love,

woo, it's not easily angered. It keeps no record of wrongs. It does not rejoice in evil. I mean, one of the verse, the message,

“I use that a lot when I'm doing weddings and read that text and it says,”

it doesn't rebel when others grovel, which is a pretty good point. In other words, you don't rejoice when other people are hurting. So I thought that's pretty good. Yeah, that's a good point, guys. Because that's exactly where we're going to be that be at later today.

It's a central component of first John.

But I want to share. I had a day off yesterday. And so we got the band together. Kind of figuratively because Murray had had a surgery. Not sure on what body part when you start getting into your 80s.

Things are breaking down, such as that. And so he's like, I just need to get out and go. So we planned on on a little treasure hunt. And he wound up not being able to go. Because the wind, I don't know if you noticed it's just the wind was blowing.

Yeah. I would say at 30 to 40 miles.

It was, yeah, reminding me of being on the Gulf Coast,

where it's as I see wind like that. You don't see it that much appear. I was nervous about it because there's still a few hanging limbs here and there. And I was like, well, fortunately, I was in a place where there weren't no limbs, because I was in field as far as the eye could see.

Where you want to be right now. And we were, we have a, I have a good relationship with a farmer over there. And I got his son into duck hunting. There's more than one way to get an invite. Zach.

And when you have a farmer who has a lot of land and his son wants to get into duck hunting, I thought, oh, I'll take care of his duck hunting needs. And then we'll have an unmentioned trade here. I just need access because he don't care. He's farming.

He's like, oh, I can't find anything. You won't. And so when I did that, it was, it was then the catalyst. He sent me that text. He's like, you got a green light to anything.

I don't knock yourself out. So we were out there these fields. But, and so me and Randy went, Randy, I call him Randy Redneck. He worked for us on duck family treasure. And he was like our key grip, because these Hollywood people, you know, they're like,

hey, let's do a TV show. From us, none of them knows how to be a survivor in a redneck world. They're like, we'll go to a place.

“And it's like, what are we going to do when we're not treasure hunting?”

Well, you know, we fish and we do all these things. But they have no idea of that concept. So I needed a scout to where it's like Randy. You go to these places where we're going to treasure hunt. And then you figure out what we're going to do in the spare time.

So we needed a guy. So he was kind of working for that. He had haul all our stuff over there, so we didn't have to care. And we actually turned him around. Because I was like, this is one of the most funny human beings I've ever met.

I'm not treasure hunting with him.

“He's just like a little kid at our church who let's get it.”

So we go out there and feel that we've hunted. I'd say it doesn't. And I sent you a picture. I've hunted this place a dozen times. Did you get the picture today?

Yeah, I did. I did all the bullets and all the. Look, that was in. That was Murray just calling me when I picked him up. He can't get over.

Because we sent him that picture. And he's been to call him now he didn't get to go. Because the win was so bad that I'm going to have to send him a message. If he only knew that I'm talking about him right now. So those are all bullets.

Well, let me look at what I sent you. So the vast majority of them look. I found all that and we'll all the lovely Maddie will put that picture up. I found most of that stuff in an hour in one spot. Wow.

Here's what's funny. So that was a little campsite or something. I found a campsite.

Because we hunted where we've always hunted.

We weren't finding anything. So I was like, take off that way. Randy, I'll take off this way if we find something good. You know, we'll call each other. That was the plan.

He has his phone. I have my phone. But we have earphones on.

“And so while I go with that, look, I find a bullet.”

And then I look around and I see two or three laying on the top of the ground. Wow. I thought, oh. And then I just start finding stuff. Well, I start calling Randy.

Well, I'm seeing Randy. He's said me 100 yards away. It's just there. It's as far as you can see, field. But he's pointing the other direction.

And he's not answering his phone because he's listening. Yeah. Look at him. Well, I went back to hunting. Then I'd stop calling.

He's he's not paying attention to his phone. Which is understandable. Yeah.

And so finally, after I found about three quarters of that,

I just start every so often. I would look at him and start waving my arms. And finally, I saw his hand go up because he saw me. And so he, here he comes. Look like he was running on the, on the rose.

Yeah. Here he comes. Wow. It opened across across the field.

“But by the time he got there, well, I didn't realize this was a very small place”

that I had understood. That I had discovered that previously was undiscovered. And so, of course, he didn't find much because I'd done. So some of these were necklaces because I can see the hole in him right. They wore it around their neck, you think?

These ones with the little hole in them. Necklaces. Well, I see those right there. See how they got the little hole. Oh.

Well. We didn't think that was a bull. That was the stuff in my hand. They weren't necklaces per se. Maybe that won't, there's one of them. One of them is a little tag that had provenance because we were in a lake Providence.

One of them is a tax token in my hand. Yeah. None of this has been cleaned up. And one of them is a spur. Oh.

Yeah, I see that. Was that red, the red wheel? Well, that was a plastic thing. That was just land on top of the ground. I didn't find that mud detector.

It was because there was a little house site right next to it. It was real small. Yeah. But it was like early 1900s. But all that civil war stuff.

And those are all civil war bullets, right? That's what that is. They are. And that's still some balls in there, too. No.

The round ball. Yeah. Musket balls. Musket ball. What do they call them?

Yeah. That's what some do. Oh, it was. Look. It had to been fun.

It was so much fun. And somewhere in, but that we had had about a 30, 40 degree temperature change. And so when we first got out, I had to jack it on. Look. It was weighing my bag down so much.

I couldn't. It was pulling my pants down. It went from cold to high. I was sweating. And all of a sudden a pain hit me.

And I was like, maybe. Because we're out. We're pretty close to a highway. And we're out in ball open field. And, you know, it's like Zack so obsessed with AI and all this.

It's not going to tell you how to take care of that problem. Not you. Because I got a problem here. And I'm about half a mile from my truck. There's no trees.

There's a highway. I'm a famous person. And I'm like, I got to make it to that truck. And I've got to go drive somewhere. Yeah.

Because I had a roll. Because you just get there on the side of the road. This winds up a viral video. Oh, yeah. And I was taking that.

Well, here's what it's fun.

I didn't mean to tell this story because I know this is low brow humor. It wasn't funny to me. Because a pain hit hit me. And so I'm carrying this, you know, eight pounds of baggage.

I have a jacket on. I just like, I'm not sure. I'm going to make it pull this off. I go to the truck and I start getting delirious, you know. I mean, the pain is just rapidly accelerating.

This guy has a lot of access. And I thought, too, you know, properties. I was like, gotta find somewhere in this field. It has group trees. So I'm driving sporadically down the highway.

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And I was like, I remember that spot. Because I can go below the surface. It was a little crepe. It's been safe. There's cypress ahead to be waters.

Here's what's fun. Here's where this gap's funny. I pull off on the side of the road. Get out paper towels. Take it off.

You know, the bag, the jacket. And I take off. But everybody's driving down the road. They all know who I am. Yeah.

They're blowing the whole world boy. As I'm running across the field. You're people all around. Rolling down the wind. You're not running to the league.

They know what's happening.

“If you see a man running across the field.”

Karen, a whole roll of paper towels. You don't have to have any explanation. Headed toward a grove of trees. Oh, literally, jumped down the bank. Jump.

Oh, gosh. Out of sight. Nothing's sticking up by my head. The only good news about this. This is because the state you were in that curve of it.

It wasn't going to be long. You were going to be there long. It was gone in 60 seconds. It's like that maybe. You know what?

What's funny is that someone in late Providence in about two or three years. Two or three months is on their podcast. It's going to be stalking this. What they see in this cypress group. Oh, no.

That's right. Here's what it's funny. When I get back to my truck. Well, the farmer pulls up. And he's like, what?

Well, he does. Because he was looking at me. I didn't have my equipment on.

“He's like, y'all run it here many times.”

I was like, no, I was hunting down there and ball up and field. I was like, I had a pain. What I want to recommend is. Stay away from that low side. Give that area a minute.

Yeah. Give it a couple of days and that'll be all right. But anyway, it was fine. But we laughed about it and we went back to hunting. They don't.

And for treasure hunting, they don't have the portapoddies. Just nearby. I don't know what else you could do. Yeah. That's tough.

It happens. So it's funny. And so you were doing that. I had some. I don't know if I've ever talked about the podcast.

But I have some prostate issues from time to time. And so when I didn't see my. Check up see the doctor. And Hannah is her name. She's like a PA.

And so she said, she said, we're going to have to do another MRI. And I was like, oh, man, because I told us about look. Here's the deal. I know we got to do it. But I made myself and the Almighty God.

A promise.

The last time I was in that machine that I would never get in here again.

And get cooped up in this. These things are brutal. Yeah. It's like a coughing.

And I'm very claustrophobic.

And so I made it through by the grace of God. But I'm telling that prayed the whole time. I sweated. You tell us sweating. So I said, I got to do something different.

Like there's got to be some alternative.

“She said, well, I think they got these more open ones around.”

We'll call around and find out. I said, well, look, because I'm not doing that again. So whatever has happened, we got to do some different. I know I have to have it. But so her little guy calls him back.

So we can't really find what you're looking for. So Zach gave me the idea. When you said Murray, it made me think to tell the story. So what's Murray's son-in-law is a doctor. Yeah.

And neurologist is what he does. But he's the guy that knows people and knows things. So I texted him. I said, hey, your old pal, owl, need your assistance. You may call.

So he said, so that was several hours and finally later.

He sent me a text back and said, owl, question, question, question. Like he didn't know about what? Of course, been a minute since I've texted, but so I said Robertson. So he called me right up. He said, I didn't know that was your number.

You didn't talk to him. And I said, how long have you been married? He was my lead in. So how long have you been married? He said 25 years this year.

Which is hard to believe. I did his wedding and his premarital counseling. And he was in medical school at that point. I said, do you remember what I told you? And you were going to give me some little measly,

you know, chili's gift card or something for doing your wedding and your thing. And I, would you remember what I told you? I wouldn't take it. And he said, you said one day when you were a doctor, you'll have a knee.

And you'll catch it in. And you'll catch it in. He said, is this the day I said, this is the day. The favor I need is for me. So I told him my situation.

And he said, I can take care of it. And I was like, because they do a sedated version of it.

“They don't really advertise that I think.”

Because they'd rather you just suffer through it. But they can't sedate you to do any more on these machines. Because some people are like me or just, you just can't. I couldn't do it again. I did it one.

I didn't get sent our DNA. I'm like, I get an elevator. I'm like, I don't like it. I don't like it. I'd rather walk the steps if I can't.

A lot of times, at least he'll get one. I'll be like, hmm, especially if you're in Europe. They're so small. Yeah. I'm like, no, stairs.

I'll just carry whatever I got. So yeah. So sometimes you got to cash it in days. I've got two other physicians that I did their weddings as well. And I told them the same thing.

So I got a couple more favors to cash in. Zack is like the godfather of ministry. Yeah. You know, one day I'll have a need, and then I'll call that needy. And so I'm waiting to hear about it. You got a roll of decks and needs.

That's right. And that's the way it works. That was the old way. What I would have done is, how to just get on plot or chat GPT instead. Find me what I'm going to work.

Zack, I really think you're overly obsessive about the coming AI. I tried to cover this when I talked about the data. Oh, you got mad at me about it. I can't talk. I have nowhere to go. I can't talk about it on here. I can't talk about it. We're in the live. So I might see our viewers.

Zack brought this up before the podcast started. I'm like, is that we covered this? I'm we're all that because that kept saying it's the future. It's the future.

“I'm like, I covered the future that you need to be concerned about is when”

Jesus appears, we may be confident and unashamed before him had his coming. We should be concerned about that. That's my primary concern. But you could have secondary and tertiary concerns as well along the way. I don't even have our little butnating more than for words like that. Well, I will say this.

You know, I'll show you that picture. And we're starting first John and we're at this point where we went through the, when he appears, we shall be like him. I mean, everything's kind of made right. No, you know, he made it right.

By becoming a human, showing us how to live. Dying for our sins, being raised, which is what we've been told about. He's exalted at the right hand of God. Which by the way, let me just interject this day. It's that thought because I had a meeting just about Easter Sunday.

That's what I want to preach Easter Sunday. You know, we used to just focus on the resurrection of the Jesus, which is great.

I mean, that's always a good thing to do.

But I've been thinking since we've been studying this book about what does that mean for us. So I'm preaching that. I'm preaching that on Easter Sunday. I'm going to throw it up. That we shall be like him.

Yeah. Why? A statement. Yep. But it's like once he does that, he pivot.

And when he says, and you brought this up, I think the last podcast, who knows the order at which they're delivered. Maddie Maddie. But it says, first on three, three, it says, everyone who has this hope,

Yeah.

“And then he talks about, you know, what happens when he comes back.”

But he also throws that in at the last verse of first John two,

where it says, if you know that he is righteous, you know that everyone who does what is right has been born of him. And we had done another rabbit hole about how righteousness, gotrushness kind of equates his faithfulness also. Yeah.

And there's a lot in there about he is faithful. Yeah. And so then he does it again where it's like, this is going to happen. But what's that look like now? And so he, he brings that up.

Everyone who has this hope in him, purifies himself just as he is purer. And then he has this strange verse that says, everyone who sends breaks the law. In fact, sin is lawlessness.

“So I had brought up the fact, because I think when you think of the law,”

you, your mind usually goes to the Ten Commandments, which is summed up or the 600 and whatever this recorded or you know, however you're viewing law, it's one of those. Right. You think about Moses.

And I had brought up Exodus 33 about this revealing of God's glory in that process. But you know, once I kind of studied that in deeply, I added this first John 34 because I thought, man, I mean, here comes Jesus, who sums up the law by saying, introducing this aspect of, you know, the relationship with the father and

he's destroying the barriers to that illness access. But he sums up the law saying, "Love God." And love your neighbor, which if you look at the Ten Commandments, well, half of is about your relationship God. And the other half is your relationship people.

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be in reveal and how Jesus ultimately became a better Moses at Hebrews 3, which is fascinating and I'd like to read that at some point in this. That we get to not only share in God's love, but God's glory. Now you have a hint of that when you think about when he comes back, we shall be like him.

We get this glorified state. But there's also when you read Exodus 33, you feel this, there's something about God being pleased with us. That is equated with receiving God's glory. And he says that directly.

Of course the reason I brought up the sin is lawlessness. Because I don't know how you would define that.

And Exodus 32 is probably one of the top five most controversial stories in the Bible.

Because it seemingly has God changing his mind. Some of the translations actually put that. Because when you get the context here, Moses is chosen to be Israel's representative. Although he was raised by the Egyptians. And so it's like he didn't really have a relationship with him.

And then he's God, interestingly enough, you know, choose his him. And then you kind of have this picture kind of like he's the new Noah.

“Because you remember when God chose Noah to survive the planet, basically.”

He builds an arc and he uses the builds the arc with pitch and how he ever has described. Make the arc at a go for wood and all this. And you say, what's that got to do with Moses? Well, the little basket that he was in, it's the same word for the arc. Yes.

And it's he was saved by an arc. Well, yeah, and he uses the pitch and all that and you're like, I see a pattern developed where God raises up a person to be a representative.

And this is all shadowing, ultimately, what Jesus be in the ultimate human expression would envision.

So haven't said all that. And a little another little caveat is that Moses was born.

“He was even though he was raised by the Egyptians.”

He was born from the Levitical tribe. So he's a priest, you know, because we think of Aaron as being the first priest. But actually Moses had the same pedigree that he could be a priest as well, which is going to be a major kind of like backdrop of the story. So you have the whole Exodus story, which is hard to sum up in a couple minutes. But we get to this point of having the commandments.

You know, he leads him out of the wilderness this 40 years. And you seem like, okay, you know, God's going to give us law. They're going to be his people. So then Moses and God have this conversation. And while they're having the conversation, because it was like a 40 day conversation.

Yeah, for 40 days. Which is so bizarre. He's up in the cloud and having a conversation with the Almighty God. Meanwhile, the people, God's shows and people is a little nation. They're busy building a golden calf.

And this is in 32. And so maybe we should just read this. I'm doing this off the top of my head. But this is 32. Yeah, I wanted to bring this up.

And if you're like wondering why we're doing this, you know, you're seeing what God is provided. Fast forward to first John, but when you read that, you know, seeing is lawlessness. And you have this, this first law being given or the ten commandments as a way to show the character of God. Summon up the loving God, loving your neighbor. Because you made the point, you guys, that before you read it, that Moses was raised in the house of Pharaoh.

And then the people were separate, remember, because they were enslaved. But they were also in Egyptian culture.

“So this kind of running back to the other gods, I think, is kind of their natural instinct.”

There's always been my belief, you know, why they did what they did but go ahead.

So anyway, so that's where we're at at the Golden calf. I don't know where we want to pick up there. I want to get to this conversation in verse 7 of Exodus 32. Then the Lord said to Moses, go down and this is interesting the way the verb is because you're people. And you brought up a phantom, have become corrupt.

They're not my people anymore. Yep, they have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol, cast in the shape of a calf. They bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, these are your gods of Israel who brought you up out of Egypt. I have seen these people, the Lord said to Moses, and there are stiff neck people.

Then I'll make you into a great nation. So you realize what he just said there? It's another, he's another reset. He's like, okay, that end look. And God would be justified because they are not doing what they were created to image him.

And he's given them every opportunity.

In fact, it goes the very first command was that.

There's only one God is me. Remember, I preface all this by saying, this is one of the more controversial passages in the Bible. And I do not claim to be a scholar on this, but I thought we could discuss it.

“Because I think it's going to help us understand how us post Jesus's death bone resurrection, the point on the Spirit,”

can have a relationship, be included in the fellowship, partnership, participation with God Almighty. I think you see a window into this right here. So that's the reset. So Moses, verse 11, but Moses, salt the favor of the Lord, his God. Oh, Lord, he said, why should your anger burn against your people? whom you brought out of Egypt with great power in a mighty hand?

Why should the Egyptians say it was the evil intent that he brought them out? To kill them in the mountains and to wipe them off the face of the earth, which is kind of shocking that Moses had the courage to say this. Pretty bold. He's like, well, you, they're going to think that you're evil.

I mean, it's kind of a PR thing.

That was his first point.

He was like, what is the public perception? Then his second point is this. He says, turn from your fierce anger, reliant and reliant, and do not bring disaster on your people. Now, that word reliant is where all the controversy comes in.

'Cause some other translations are changed your mind. Or compare yourself. Say that again. Yeah.

“I think I've heard maybe the phrase repented, like, this God changes God.”

Yeah. Yeah. The King of Arsen says repent. But reliant, you see why they did because there's other passages like, there's one in America that says, you know, God doesn't change his plans.

Yeah. So you're like, all right, well, let's keep reading.

Now, here's his second point.

As far as one was a PR thing, he's going to say, well, they're going to say that you have evil intent that, you know, you brought us out and then you kill us. Remember your servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, to whom you sore by your own self. I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky. And I will give your descendants all this land.

I promise them, and it will be there in heritage forever. I'll make a point. First one is bad, bad PR. It's going to make you look bad. And two, you made a promise.

Which is now that, to me, is not only bold, but it's interesting because he's like,

“well, didn't you make that promise that all these nations?”

I mean, but if you think about it theoretically, he could still fulfill that promise through Moses. True. Back to one. Right, that's a really good point because that's going to help you wrap your head around around this.

So, God's plan could still be accomplished. Right. To see it already done it with Noah, like you said. So, it's not like he's getting him to change his plan, but just in the short term, it's basically like a prayer saying, you made a promise.

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So then verse 14, then the Lord read, "Oh, here's where the controversial verse is." Exodus 32, 14. Then the Lord relented and did not bring on His people the disaster he had threatened. So there it is.

So Moses turned, went down the mountain.

Now this is not humorous, but because when it's kind of funny, it is. With the two tablets of the testimonies, he got the 10 commandments here. They were inscribed on both sides, front and back.

“And remember, these tablets contain half the commandments for the bachelor relationship.”

God, half of them are relation with people. The tablets were the work of God. The writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets. Then Joshua heard the noise of the people shouting he said to Moses, "There's a sound of war in the camp." Moses replied, "It is not the sound of victory.

It is not the sound of defeat. It is the sound of singing that I hear." And when Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned. And he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf, they had made and burned it in the fire.

Then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites. Drinking. It's like a bad tonic. And though then, so then it gets, there's another rabbit hole here because then some of them wound up dying and being sacrifices, you know.

It was a big fire that breaks out. Yep. And so if I skip down to verse 31, it says, "Moses went back to the Lord and said, "Oh, what a great sin these people committed. They have made themselves, God's of go. But now please forgive their sin.

But if not, then block me out of the book you have written." And I wanted to read this because I think you see some similarities of him being able or willing to sacrifice himself to make a torment for the people. The Lord replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me, I will blot out of my book." Now, go lead the people to the place I spoke of and my angel will go before you.

However, when the time comes, for me to punish, I will punish them for their sin. And the Lord struck the people with a plague because of what had happened with the calf and had made. So there's multiple inner sessions that take place along the road. And so when you get to 33 in verse 12, Moses said to the Lord, "You've been telling me, lead these people. But you have not let me know whom you will sin with me."

You have said, "I know you by name and you have found favor of me." If you are pleased with me, teach me your way, so I may know you and continue to find favor with you.

“Remember that this nation is your people.”

The Lord replied, "My presence will go with you and I will give you rest." And Moses said, "If your present does not go with us, do not send us up from here. I will tell anyone know that you are pleased with me." So we have another inner session. I think there's five in total.

And with your people, unless you go with us, what else will distinguish me and your people from all other people in the face of the earth?

And the Lord said, "Moses, I will do the very thing you've asked because here's what I wanted to get to."

"I am pleased with you and I know you by name." And that's why I said this is going to contribute to this glory aspect. Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory." And the Lord said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you and I will proclaim my name, the Lord in your presence."

But he said, "You cannot see my face for no one may see me and live." Then the Lord said, "There's a place near me where you may stand on the rock. When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock." Cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back with my face. It must not be seen. So that's the story that was the introduction to the law being given.

And it's quite the story.

“But you have heaven and earth being, what are the words of the word?”

I would call it an intersection. It's an intersection and you have a representative. People are involved and you have this human interaction with Moses who's basically saying, "Don't do it this way and God reliance." And says, "Okay, then Moses goes down and just loses it." And the process goes on, but it was altered somewhat. How do you want to use that with God relanting? And then you have this idea of glory.

And the point I want to make, because I know that was a long, you know, we're basically summing up something from 30,000 feet in a few minutes. But you see how when Jesus came, it fulfilled all this in the greatest way possible for humans and God to dwell, which is that word presence. That's where you're getting that. It's the presence. Yeah, yeah.

So here's my opinion on the way that went down.

I think God, it was always going to be about Moses.

In other words, God doesn't get surprised on things. And so when we look at that word, repent, reliant, change, God knew always what was going to happen, because this outside of time is space. But he works inside because of us.

“So I think the whole point was he knew Moses is going to come down and look at those people.”

And he would have been ready to fry him, you know, which he was. He was so disgusted with him. He breaks the thing and he makes the sin and tonic drink form. And it's just like, you know, this is this terrible situation. But God had to let Moses get their own his own.

It was really interesting, because I think he knew what was going to happen. So he kind of provided a, what would you call it? Like a narrative where he's like, I'll just wipe him out and go with you. But Moses, I don't know. Of course, Moses hadn't seen it yet.

And God has said it. So he's like, oh, no, no, no, we can't do that. For the reasons you mentioned. But he knew Moses was going to see it. He's so infuriated with him.

And then still at the end of the day, love him. And I love what the point you made. Be willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of the people.

Which was very, very powerful.

And then it is a, the Hebrew writer tells us it is like a bit of an analogy to Christ. And so yeah, the word is it's it's a typology. Typology. You see it in the Old Testament. And it's a copy of Christ to come.

The Hebrew writer uses that language copy of verses the real thing. Yeah, one thing you see here too is if the, if the promised land, if that's a typological kind of pre-cursor of the new evidence in the new earth, because that right there, they're in the journey. Like we're in the new Exodus, right?

So we're in an Exodus right now. And we are awaiting to enter into the promised land. And so I think this kind of matches up with, with current, like where we are all at. As how many of us have sat in churches for all of our lives.

And we thought that the heaven, the promised land was a place we were going to get to go to one day. And when we got there, then all the pain would be gone. And we could do what we wanted to do and live autonomously in our, like in our existence there. And that's kind of how we viewed it. That's how I viewed it.

I mean, yeah, sure you had the idea of worshiping God there. But it was like that's something that we did there. It wasn't like the core of the whole thing. But what you're seeing in this story as Moses is going.

And he's basically saying, I don't, the place is not, doesn't matter to me.

If your presence isn't there, what makes the place, the promised land, like the prize is that you go with me. So if you're not going with me, I'm not going.

“And I think that that is probably the most important truth of all of the scripture.”

And it's why when you read the book of Exodus, I think it's why I read the book of Exodus, not primarily through the lens of God making an atonement for his people.

I mean, Moses makes a sacrifice to alter the mountain and all that.

And then he builds the tavernacle. And then they have the whole offering there. But the point of the whole thing is to be in the presence of God. That is why God told them in Exodus 25 to make the tavernacle. So that he may be present or he may dwell with his people.

“So to me, in this moment, Moses is honestly, I think he picked up on the point of the whole thing.”

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“So I think you're right, Zach, and Paul uses the same thing.”

You just described to in 1st Corinthians 10 and also in 2nd Corinthians the 1st. 3rd Corinthians the 1st, 3rd, 4 chapters. The he uses this that Jason's read as an illustration of exactly how it is for us. Like you talked about the 2nd Exodus because he said it was like they were baptized. Remember when they go through the red sea because you have the cloud above the water on the side.

So the whole nation comes out. So there's this symbolic baptism that they go through. Remember a whole generation of those people died in the desert because of stuff like this. They didn't even make it. So then you get to the the shores of the promised land. They're in the Jordan River.

Remember it was in flood stage in the book of Joshua. And guess what he does another miraculous parting. And then the group that's now the new group, they in essence are baptized again. But it's a whole new generation to go into this. So they he uses these languages to show us about this idea of dying to ourselves.

And then living in him and in his hand. And so even through the physical stuff of the Old Testament, it shows you the beauty of it for us. Now we get to literally experience it because the Holy Spirit of God lives in us. So that presence now. It's that a being in the land.

He's right here.

“That's why I wanted to bring it up because even with no other same thing happened after the flood went down.”

Remember, look, he had a conversation with God on the top of the mountain. And it says the the ark rested on the top is the same language. And you fast forward in the book of Exodus. You know how that the letter ends. The last paragraph is in 4034.

When they set up the tabernacle, it says then the cloud covered the tent of meeting in the glory of the Lord. It filled the tabernacle to your point now Moses could not enter the tent of meeting because the cloud had settled upon it. And the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And all the travels of the Israelites whenever the cloud lifted from above the tabernacle, they would set out. But if the cloud did not live, they did not set out until the day it lifted.

So the cloud of the Lord was over the tabernacle by day. And fire was in the cloud by night in the sight of all the house of Israel during all their travels. And so it gives you this idea, the whole point of this is God wanting to dwell with people.

Going back to the first sin in this division that happened, God initiates this this plan.

And this is going to help us understand why John goes to Cain.

Because look, that's first time the word sin is mentioned.

When he's like, remember, sin is crouching at your door. And it helps you understand why you have a statement like this sin is lawlessness. And sin is described in various forms either a niquity, transgression, and all these have different meanings. Even sin itself is used. Not just, oh, I broke the moral code, but you missed the mark.

That phrase is used all over the Hebrew letters. And just like somebody shoot in an arrow, I forgot where that pass it is, but it's like, and you missed. You missed that word for sin. This is not what you were created to be doing. And by one statement that John says there, let you know that once sin is unleashed, which is why I think he goes to Cain. Because that was right after Adam and Eve, you see what happens when sin is unleashed.

“In other words, when that's what happens, that's the lawlessness that comes in.”

Because once it's rampant, and that's the way you live, it destroys everything in this path. That's what it does. I mean the whole world, it's like a cancer. Yes, sin's like a cancer. I heard this one time.

It was about theological liberalism, like when basically it embades a church and they move away from the court teachings of the Christian faith.

And the phrase was, but you could interchange it with sin, that sin doesn't grow anything. It only grows in things. So it enters in like a COVID virus, and it starts to spread. And it's one of the reasons why you take it serious is it invades the world as it enters in. It starts to spread, and the only cure is you have to kill it.

You'll be killing sin, or sin will be killing you. And that's kind of the idea of the picture.

“I want to read this. So in Hebrews 2, you know what I say? Well, why did God become a man?”

And verse 14, it says, "Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death that is the devil." And for those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death. And then verse 17, it says, "For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way in order that he might become a merciful and high priest in service to God. That the truest representative, and that he might make a torment for the sins of the people because he suffered when he was tempted.

He's able to help those." And so when it gets to chapter 3, it says, "Since we share and the heavenly calling, picture thoughts on Jesus." Yeah. Verse 2 of chapter 3, "He was faithful to the one who appointed him just as Moses was faithful in all God's house. But Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself.

For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. Moses was faithful as a servant in all of God's house. Testifying what would be said in the future. But Christ is faithful. Remember when I brought up that faithful as far as what's right, as a son over God's house.

“And we are His house. That's how God brought this to a personal intimate level.”

We are now God's house. And He fills us up with fire and His presence. If we hold on to our courage. So then it says He quotes a Psalm here. So if you hear His voice, "Did not harden your heart as you did in the Rebellion during the time of testing the desert where your father's tested and tried me. And for 40 years saw what I did." That is why I was angry with that generation.

Their hearts are always going straight.

We just read it. So I declared on oath in my anger, they shall never enter my rest. Well, there's that concept again. God's rest. See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sins.

Disseekfulness. We have come to share and Christ if we hold firmly to the end the confidence we had at the first. Yeah, at the first. And I think you see this John marrying this concept in this in a different way. Right. And I think it was helpful to look at the historical aspect of this to kind of wrap your head on for us today to say, "Oh, I get it."

And the fact that, like I mentioned in St. Corinthians that in their day, they looked at Moses,

“Mary had the glory and it would be fading and that developed face.”

And what's interesting is in a certain way, Moses did sacrifice himself because he didn't cross over either. He died on that mountain over to looking at it. Yeah.

But it was like he was that final sacrifice for that last passage and then Joshua took the next group in, which is pretty nice.

“And I wanted to say in close and it's like even in my treasure hunt, I found all these bullets and all, but look, you know what hit hits me when you're thinking about these things.”

There was a time where here we as a nation, we're shooting those things at each other. Yeah. And you know why?

Because we're not valuing humans being made.

My God, we all had the same God.

“And I thought we lost our love for God and our love for one or another.”

And this is the result. It's a good point because those bullets were piled up there. They were meant for the hearts of your neighbor. Exactly. Which shows you what happens when seeing rains.

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