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I don't think they use it word anymore. Do what's an arcade word? They don't use that word anymore. Okay, but that leads to my next question. Well if they're not using that word anymore, to characterize certain behaviors, you know, people are shooting, looting, burning, robbing, happy, and hatred is up in your face, spitting in your face, spray paint in your car, tag ripping you out of a vehicle because you're going along with a flag sticking out to when you're describing peaceful protest. I'm describing, oh, perfectly normal, and healthy. What is the word, the modern day? What do they call, what do you look at seeing?
We have lists of sins. They say mistakes, illness, because I've heard a lawyer say that no matter what
he's a defense lawyer, no matter what happens, he always says the same thing. Mistakes were made,
“apologies were given, checks were in the mail. Yeah, yeah, so, so look, so you have to take a Bible text,”
the acts of the sinful nature are obvious. So the apostle Paul is saying you're going to look at it, humanity, and you say, "Yeah, you're a Galatians five." I'm a Galatians, okay. Yeah, and it's two, two lists here, one lists for the sinful and one lists for the Godly. So everybody says whether there's no God, I say everybody. There's a giant percentage of, there's no God, there's no there's no sin. There actually just sick there. Yeah. They need a psychiatrist. They need a counselor,
sociologist. They need somebody. By the point. But tell your story about you were telling me about the guy
“who was telling you why he doesn't, why he doesn't get to the root of the problem. I think this is”
interesting. And this is somebody that I've had a lot of robust conversations with about the ology, about worldview, about culture. And he said to me one time, he said, "Zach, you know why? You know why? Everybody who comes to me comes to me." And I said, "No." And he said, "No, why are they coming to him to you?" He's a counselor. He's a counselor. He's a counselor. He's a counselor. Okay. One of the one of the, that's right. So he says, "Why? Do you want to know why people come to see
me?" And he said, "They all want to know the same thing, which is why are they the way that they are?" Like they want to know that one thing that will explain why they are the way they are. And
of course, we're always talking at theology. So I'm thinking, "Sin?" And I asked you, I said, "Sin?"
"Well, I mean, that's the ultimate answer, but that's not what I tell them." He said, "I can't tell I'm not, they'll never come back." He said, "People want something." He said, "If he tells them they're sinful, they'll never come back." Yeah. He says that people are looking for something outside of themselves to explain why they are the way they are. And granted, there are a lot of outside environmental things that affect us. But ultimately, I think that thing in you that's empty
Is a, I think the Bible teaches us, you know, we've fallen short of the glory...
sinned and fallen short of his glory. But if they don't have a belief in God, they're saying, why am I behaving like I'm behaving? Why am I internally? I'm all been out of shape here. Yeah, I have these struggles. And, you know, the law, everyone who sins breaks the law,
the definition of a sin. First, John 3, verse 4, "Everyone who sins breaks the law in fact,
“sin is lawlessness. But we're living in a culture that says no, the Communist say what you need to”
push through is a treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders, which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat." So when they come to you and they say, "I'm not happy. I found myself doing this and doing that and I just feel upset, but I don't know what to put the putpaphring room. One of the things that's possible, in my opinion, people show that the requirements of the law, this is Romans chapter 2, they show that the requirements of the law. You say, "Well, what other
requirements of the law? You obey the law. You're not a man of law, you just obey it." But think about it. Yeah, well, yeah, all these cultures with different sets of laws, rules, if you prefer. They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts.
“Other words, what about, in this case, he's saying, "The Jews got wrote it down in stone."”
And the for top ten, that's a doozy. I mean, children will be a father and mother, don't murder, don't commit a delity, don't lie, don't steal, don't cut it. So the Almighty wrote
that down for the Jews, just, "What about all of them Gentiles hanging around out there?" They never
had that. Well, how would they know what was right and what was wrong? What? How would they know when they were law breakers? Because they come to psychiatrists and they say, "I have all these problems, but I don't know exactly what it is." But if you say, "Well, it's just sin." They would say, "Oh, no, I look. They'll give me the Bible stuff. I don't, I don't believe in sin." When you break the law, I don't believe that. But what they don't understand is that the law is written
on their hearts, the one who didn't get it in stone. They didn't have a code that you could pull out and say, "Okay, if I do this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, I'll be a good person." Their conscience is. So what I'm telling you is the reason they come to counselors and sociologists and psychiatrists, the reason they go there is because they don't understand that they have a conscience. And when they violate the law, not written in stone or a piece of paper,
it's inside their head. We all have it. We have a conscience that tells us, "What's what your conscience will do? Your thoughts will accuse you?" Why did you do that? You knew that was wrong. "Well, what are you doing?" And then they all, "Oh, I guess maybe I shouldn't do that again. I don't know why I feel guilty about doing that, but you know, all I did was just, you know, slick some bad out of a few books." Yeah. And now, I don't know. I've got this guilt about it.
I mean, I come trying to get past it. Can you help me? That's the way you have heard the little words saying that like, "No, no, no, I don't believe in that Bible stuff. You fix my problem. Mr. Councillor, fix my problem. But don't be talking Bible to me." Now, it either, your conscience accuses you, even defending them. So you say, "Well, I don't think it was that bad because, you know, everybody's does it, so it can't be wrong. That many, it wouldn't be this many
people who participate in this kind of behavior." So I don't think your conscience began to say, "Wait, man. It's healthy. It's normal. I mean, you're practicing perversion, but there's absolutely
“nothing wrong with it." Or you say, "It's seeing. You need to come to the one who can remove that."”
So we're given them the Jesus answer, but the psychiatrist, they never mentioned the solution.
Well, it's to the problem. I think it's difficult, too, in psychiatry. Well, there's, there's a legitimate role for psychiatry. I mean, are some people have legitimate mental illness. Wait, we were talking about... That's my grandma. You're mom. That was a chemical imbalance,
She basically would go through stretches where she was another person.
out through medication and different things, she didn't even remember what happened. You know, when she, I remember coming back from the hospital one time, she's like, "Who painted this house? Red." She said, "What? Well, you did. Who stopped up all the toilets?" With washrakes. I was like, "That'd be you." She said, "I didn't do no such a thing." You know?
“I remember she would lie. I mean, if you want to get in trouble, you say something crude or,”
you know, she would never tolerate any kind of fallout of words or anything, but when she was
on her rant, "Oh, she's dropping fallout of work." But it was crazy. It was crazy. They labeled her a manic depressive. And somebody found through treatment of the heart, the pump that's in your chest. They found out that lithium, I think, it was. So they began to dispense lithium to them and they'd keep them in pineville, which is a place where the mentally healed in that. So, and then you saw a lot of people with, I mean, I'm trying to find out
if we're mental illness is in the script. Well, I think we're having a hard time finding that particularly phrase, because just not in there. Well, I was more thinking about just counselling
is different. You know, when you say I got some problems, let me go talk to a counselor
and figure out what the heck's going on. Well, you've got counselling. Uh, psychiatrists more than they're medical doctors. So they're probably looking at things to a more biological thing. See if it's something physical. But I mean, to be fair to Phil's point, although I do think there is a legitimate framework for psychiatric medicine. But the diagnostic manual that they use to determine mental illness when I was in college, it was called the DSM4, because that was
the fourth version. I'm not sure what version it's on now. But I will tell you that if you go look at the history of it, there's our things that we call mental illness that have the evolved based on kind of cultural adaptations and expectations and society. And so it is somewhat,
“I don't always bother me when I would, you know, I think, well, it's settled science,”
because it seems like where the culture moves and certain things that would used to be, that would be in this manual as a mental illness would not be now simply because society has evolved to not accept that or they've accepted that behavior now, something that's perfectly legitimate. Well, yeah, I agree. It's kind of blurred the line, because when I did the two-year prison ministry, every time I had a one-on-one, just about,
almost all. Well, they were like, "I can't figure out why I'm here." I'm like, "Well, what did you do?" "Tell me the process." Then I, oh, I was a misunderstanding. I was like, okay, but tell,
I want to hear the details. Then what happened? How, when did, and what always go down the same
road, I'm like, "When did the police actually arrest you? Tell me that story?" But I noticed, they didn't want to, because it's, it's all of a sudden it turned into, I'm the counselor. Yeah. And I'm trying to get to, did you commit a sin to your point, you know, that even the world says, "No, wait a minute." You get, that's wrong. It's, and it's not even that you commit a sin, and then like, "Oh, no, everything happens."
It's more of a state of sin that is caused our dilemma, our ultimate dilemma, right? I mean, we all got that thing in us. It's like, man, something's not right. Everybody has to deal with that, and so when we're trying to come at it from some humanistic standpoint, if we're going to try to explain this away, it's just, it's falling short. I mean, it's not work, and I mean, we've, we're selling tens of billions of dollars a year
and antidepressants and psychotrific medications. We're still depressed, we're still anxious. More so than any point in history, you would think that with the advancements in mental health
“science that we wouldn't be. I think it's because a lot of cases were not getting to the core”
of our issue, which is that, yeah, we're in a sinful fallen world, and we are broken. And I just broken. Broken is kind of a nice way of saying, "We are morally the prey. We are rebellious." All right. Now, how long have that? So, we have two entities that have a reason. I don't know about Red China, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela, with a complete different system. It's not a constitutional republic. That's for sure. But they've built a system.
They're dealing with liars, rapists, thieves, robbers, looters, shooters. These people over there that
Do not have constitutional republics.
Every country full of human beings, the sins are all the same if you're going to go down the
“sin road. They're sinful. They need a Savior, and it will fix it. My question is, who's winning?”
Who's winning as far as we've got this poor soul, they've come to you? I've had thousands come to me. What is my problem? What's wrong with me? I'm just trying to get my life in order, but I'm on crystal meth and I just keep on this downward spiral. I talk to rehab. The people in the rehabs and the prisons like Jason's talking about. I don't even deny that they ever did anything wrong.
I don't know how I ended up here. You tell them, well, the crystal meth's a powerful drug. You know,
fentanyl, we've taught you. Our own kin are dead now because of fentanyl. My own nephew hanged himself in a jail sale full of fentanyl. So who's winning the battle on the explanation
“on whether it's mental illness, a psychiatric disorder, or it's sinful. So on the one side,”
if we're supposed to have the answer, Christianity, why is it that it seems like to me that the rate of rebellion, sinful, we call it sinful behavior, law breakers, how come that it seems to be, there's not a real good solution to it. I mean, we're living in a world now to where we've done it down to where, I mean, we can either dominate the psychiatric profession, the communist manifesto, say, as the Karl Marx crowd. They said, "What you need to do is dominate the psychiatric
profession. Use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals." So turn it over to the psychiatrist. No one but psychiatrist can understand or treat
“what's going on. That's what they're saying. Who's winning the battle here? I think that it's considering”
that what it means to be human is that you are a body with a spirit. So we're not purely biological as humans. Now, the animal kingdom, they don't have the spirit that we had. They don't have rational faculties of deer. You guys hunt deer. They're still doing the same thing that they were doing 10,000 years ago. But he did use that as an example. You remember that in
"Is it second Peter?" Where he was talking about false apostles came in there and he was like,
they're sprains without whatever. They're instinct. They follow their spiritual desires. Yeah, and it says they promise freedom, second Peter too. But they are a slave to the depravity. They're sprains without water. Here's my question. But let me just finish my thought. So then he relates it to dogs. And he's like, if you've escaped the Christian of the world, and then you're again entangled in it. And he then says, I mean, you're like a dog. We're turned into
its vomit to Zach's point. At some point, I mean, I have a little dog who was spoiled by Missy's grandma. She died left us the dog. This dog was spoiled for years. So he's in the house. He has a dog with a door. We have another dog that gets it. When you poop or pee, you go out that door.
And you're free to do that all over this yard in creation. So the first time the dog didn't do it,
he just poop right there where everybody's sitting. So I got up calmly, not in anger. I know it's a dog. I popped him about twice on the rear end. Of course, he's sh*t. He's out to know what they didn't seem for two days because he's like, what? No, world is going on. I'm like, this, this is wrong. So about four or five days later, guess what? I come home. I stepped up. What's that smell? Look, we've got more doggy poop in the floor. I grabbed the dog, rather than a pop. He said, what is wrong
with this dog? He can't get it. A few days later, guess what? Here we go again, popped him again. So now, every time he sees me, he runs. But, but I'm established in the fact, he made that analogy in that we use it. What's my problem? What's what? What's we almost become soulless like the dog when we continue the same habit to over and over and deny that there's a problem. Here's my problem. But we're not soulless. We're not simply
Spirits though.
there. But I think we've to fill it to you. As for your point though, when we approach the human dilemma with the framework that everything is material, all of your psychological problems, they're all material. And if I can just figure out a way to get your neurochemical balance is right. If I
can get your neuropronethrin, your dopamine, your serotonin, your natto-clap, but the problem is
is that we're not strictly biological. We are biological, but we're also spiritual. Oh, I agree. I was just answering the question when the guy sits down on the couch and the counselor,
“because he would never say it. Yeah. They quit pooping in the middle of your house. That's what the”
problem is. Here's my question. You have two avenues from me just step back looking at it. They come to counselors. They come to professional social workers. The acts of the sinful nature obvious. I have a sexually immoral problem. I'm breathing anything. I get my hands on and I keep getting
these safely transmitted diseases. I don't know what I'm done. I'm just sitting. I'm spiraling
that control. I have no self-control. Or it's like I'm into like I'm into pornography and impurity. That's there, Jay. The botchery, just, I mean, party time all the time. Our doctors, witchcraft, hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage. All these issues, people are going to one or two places. My question is, which one works the best? The one that says you're just a collective of
“molecules and all these things are normal and natural and they say we'll go through a seven-step”
program without God, without Bible teaching and you'll come out on the other side. What's the what's the rate of people who are cured and they now are after going through the series of counseling sessions. They are now amazingly model citizens and it was all done without anything biblical. We just treated them and we talked and we had them share their problems. Which one is producing the most model citizens? Is it through the worldly collection of psychiatrists and
psychologists? Are they doing a better job? Or is it the ones that go to the sons and daughters of God? They believe in a God. They believe in a Savior. They believe that he can remove the guilt of what you've been participating in. Not only remove your sin, but he can remove the guilt of your sin. A lot in the Bible to talk about, you know, he takes away the guilt, takes away the guilt. So it's unknowable, but I would assume it's Jesus. I mean, they'll probably say, well, you know,
“show you something. Which is the best way to make models. Because what you won't at the end of the”
day, no matter what you say, you would like to see people just below the acts of the sinful nature, they go through the process, whether it's a spiritual process, Jesus at the front, pawn them to him, he'll remove your sin. It's Satan. I know you don't think there's a devil, but the Bible says there is, and he's brought your down on the ground. So you're given them that fix. The other one's just saying, well, you're just mentally ill. We're going to give you some medication,
and this is going to calm you down. So with pharmaceuticals and counseling on at the end of the day, you will be full of love, joy, you will be happy, happy, just take dancing or jig once you go through the seminar with the counselor. You're going to be full of peace. I don't think he's going to work. You're going to be patient from now on. Canness will stand out from you like you, not now, you're crying, and you feel guilty for all of the tomorrow, actually,
but you'll be good when you get down on the counselor's session. You'll be very faithful to the code, to me for helping you, and you'll be gentle from now on the rest of your life. Never
any outbursts, you will be calm as everything. And finally, you will get what you've always been
morning for the last 20 years, and to brought you to prison or in a rehab. You will be full, completely of self-control. You'll be able to control your life where you, your life at fentanyl, your life at cocaine. You say, "What a idiot." I didn't know that. I've been counsel, and they said, "Well, what you know, fentanyl will kill you." And cocaine, you'll have to take more and more,
You'll never seem to get enough because these are real issues and look.
All I'm asking you all is, "Which is the best route to go?" I porn them to Jesus. I'm not. Counselor,
“they sit down and I porn them to Jesus. But the ones I see that repent,”
which is their toll, you got to repent. You have the decision to take over your own life with the help of God, or you can just stay down here in this circle of death that you're participating in, and you're going in a circle. You're not going anywhere. I only bring that up because I just noticed. I only bring it up because I noticed. And then I thought about my own life. You start asking people, "How old are you?" They come to you and they say, "I have some serious issues
and I'm going to tell you about them." So I said, "There's dark going through it. I go the spiritual route. I go upon them to Jesus and tell them you got to repent and turn to God. He'll take away your sins. He'll free you from Satan. He'll free you from guilt. Look, He'll free you from the law
“from all these lawlessness you've been doing. He's going free you from that, put you under”
all another system of grace because He loves you and you just trust Him and you try. And what theme mistakes you make, He's going to take Him away because you've repented. You've now changed your life because you heard about this Savior. It's either that or the side of the crisis you now have enough medication that it keeps you at ease all the time. Take two of these every day. And you know, here's the use of your code where you operate, you know, get some folks of light
man did sit in her circle and talk to each other and tell about talk about your problems.
And they'll stay in that circle for years and years. And finally, they'll come out of it
a model citizen on planet Earth. Well, you just, which is the most productive? Well, you just canceled 10 years of my career because I sold to mental health facilities pharmaceuticals. But to your point, I mean, I did, I was in that, did you sell a lot of, by the way, did you sell a lot of pharmaceuticals? We did a lot of, and I mean, those pharmaceuticals were aimed at behavior. Speed you up, you know, I know, I know you out. I mean, we did. I mean, you know, I was an account
rep for some antidepressants, which interestingly the last job I had was a drug that I sold to treat a disease that is created by the psychotrific medications. So, the medicines cause a disease. And then I sold a treatment for the disease that caused. But, you're going down the road. I'm glad you're going down that road because I'm, I'm listening what you're saying. You, you pushed pharmaceuticals and this is going to solve the problem. But that's face it. What was the
attrition rate? What was the, what at the end of the day? Yeah, I don't know the answer to that
“question because obviously I didn't have contact with patients. I mean, did it work?”
I'll be honest with you. They didn't produce model systems. I don't think that what the, the science is interesting. It's a, you know, there's studies out there or certain antidepressants
that showed that the placebo is just as effective. So, I never, I mean, I, I think there's a
place for it for sure, but, but, I mean, in counseling as well, but as long as that, that counseling doesn't supplant the counselor, you know, John 15, which you're in, I mean, there is a role for a counselor. My translation ESV causing the helper, you guys are in IV. So, probably says it says counselor, but I just wanted to review. So, why are you talking about all this? You know, in John 15, Jesus, he's fixed a die. He has his disciples there and he says remain in me and he does this illustration
about, I'm the, I'm the, I mean, I'm the vine, you're the, the branches remain in me. By the way, why are you there? That in me tells you that you're in a position. A lot of people don't realize it when they come to Jesus. They are, they end up through faith and, and bowing down to Him. They will be placed in a position of in, in Him. Yeah. And the reason for that is, is God made Him who had no sin, no, no mental issues.
One way or the other, sins are, I'm just down in the depths and I don't know what's wrong with me. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that John 15, so the, the verse equal, so that in
Him, we might become the righteous of God.
sin, where you're in Him, therefore when God looks at you, he looks at you through the death of
“Jesus and his resurrection. Well, I mean, just to, so you brought us to give me the conclusion,”
though of, of what led to this conversation, he, he says remain in me. And then he gets to verse 18,
and he says, keep in mind, if the world hates you, it hated me first, which is, when you take
a stand in Jesus or bring up sin, the, the people in the world will start gnashing their teeth at you, because all of a sudden through guilt or whatever the reason, this is not going to be pleasant. So he gets down to verse 26, and then he says, well, when the counselor comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. And then, of course, in future podcasts, we'll get to chapter 16, but I just wanted to read this
when he says in verse 7, but I tell you the truth, it is for your good that I'm going away. Unless I go away, the counselor will not come to you, but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes, the counselor, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin, which there's your word, Phil, and righteousness and judgment in regard to sin, because man do not believe in me. In regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you cannot, where you can
see me no longer, and in regard to judgment, because the Prince of this world, which you made reference to, the evil and now stands can deal. Now, you're not going to get that little section in less than ten seconds. You're not going to read that. Now, chapter 16, verse 7, 3, 11, I'm going to tell you this, I've spent the better part
of 30 years reading that and meditating, oh, what he said there.
“Well, I think it's interesting that Phil went to Galatians 5 earlier to talk about this,”
because, let me say this first, you can have mental issues and not be a result of your sin.
Someone may have abused you, and so that's not what we're saying, or you have a chemical imbalance. Yeah, we're talking about, we're talking about, it's just the vast generalization to take everything that's sinful and put it into the camp of psychiatric problems and- or counseling situations. I mean, I was in a Bible talk one time, and this guy was having problems with his wife.
And this counselor speaks up, who, now we're here to talk about Jesus, we're believers, but I knew he was a counselor for 11. And he said, you know, what I find is when you're arguing with your wife, because now he's going to give some counseling advice, you know,
“if you try to do it naked, that that usually solves the problem.”
You try to, if you try to do what? And they have the argument with your wife, naked. Now, first everybody kind of chuckled, you know, and they were like, yeah, and then I just couldn't help it. I thought, well, it's been my experience that I can have just as good of an argument with close-one or naked. I mean, close our optional when it comes to arguing with your wife, because I thought, well, what a, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard,
because he was just looking for a little quick fix, you know, from his perspective. I mean, trust me, my wife's mad, she care less whether I got close-one or not. She's hot. And so what, I bring that up to say that it's more of a spiritual problem. And a lot of these people who are trying to fix their problems, they go these counselors, and they give them advice like that, which is just stupid. It's behavior, because it's behavior modification. And that's not what
Jesus is talking about here. That's not the Holy Spirit. So I love a feel ready. The contrast, the acts of the simple nature, the opposite of that is the fruit of the Spirit. So love joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control. But it is worthy of note that the fruit is not as not fruit that we manufacture. It's fruit. It's his fruit, which is why this, the role of the Holy
Spirit is so powerful. And so when you read the three things that the Spirit does in John 16,
well, we'll say the three primary things at least. He convicts the world about sin, because we're sinful. And I, I, I equate that to our justification moment when the Holy Spirit says, your guilty and a court of law and the penalty is death, and you need to be forgiven.
That's the Spirit that tells you that.
and you know, you're saved. You get to blood of Jesus. But He also says He convicts us about righteousness.
“But why? Because He says, I'm leaving. And I think what that means is that it's easy.”
Jesus has been walking with these people. He's turning water into wine. He's saying, "Buy a man, see, you know, cripple man walk." It's very easy to do the right thing when you have the son of God walking around with you everywhere you're getting right. That's easy. I can be righteous. But what? He's leaving. So He says. But so He's coming in your sanctification as well. He's going to come and live in you, which is all, all this is kind of bleeding up to. And you, you and Him.
And you and Him, that's right. You're going to abide together. You can't forget that because now look, I'm going to add to you to the power of this. So you get to read these verses and you say,
“"Wait a minute, I gave you God made Him who had no sin to be sinned for us." So that in Him,”
John 15, verifies that, we might become the righteousness of God. By one sacrifice, Jesus is death on
a cross. All these animals, bulls, goats, under the law of Moses never took away one sin. Not,
not big enough, not the right kind of blood. It took God Himself. But so, because by one sacrifice, I hope everybody understands this on whether you're going to a worldly counselor or you're going to Jesus. By one sacrifice, He has made perfect. For ever, those who are being made holy, you strive for perfection, but you already are perfect because of your position in Jesus. For ever, you get in Jesus. You're going to be viewed as perfect. Think about
somebody on drugs, and they tell you they're going to spread another control,
immorality is always in there, by the way. And you say, finally, they make a decision. You mean to tell
me, I can be viewed by God as 100% flawlessly perfect because of my position in Christ. And He and me and I and Him. He's in me through His spit. I will be viewed as perfect. Yeah, so you make it you go to do what's right every time. Now watch, that's one. Here's another one.
“We proclaim Him. They come to us. And as you say, well, what's what's the counseling?”
You're pulling a bit Jesus and say, repent, turn from your wicked ways. And He's going to give you a counselor. He's going to give you a counselor. You're going to have the counselor. He can't look. And unlike me, I'm counseling. He's going to cost you about 200 bucks for this little set to here. But God's going to give you a counselor free. It's free charge. By the way, you turn a lot. That's free too. So healthcare, you know, you pay in it. That's that's in there. But it's eternal. It's paid for,
but it's not a government healthcare. This is a pretty good system. We proclaim Him, Jesus, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom. So that we may present. Listen, everyone perfect in Christ to this in our labor. The Apostle Paul said, "Sturг them with all his energy who works in which so powerfully works in me, so the counselors work the Holy Spirit of God." That's Colossians 128. Yeah. So if I'm viewed as perfect as low-down scoundrel before I came
to Jesus, I low-down scoundrel. I mean, I broke more laws. I was like a dog, safety's tail. And I meant to tell you all this day, I looked at my age. I looked at my age and I said, "Here I am. I'm 28."
And I said, "I never heard this story about the resurrection of the dead. Me being viewed as
perfect. I'm sorry scoundrel like me. Are you kidding?" So I'm weighing this before I make the decision to say, "I'm all in." What struck me 45, 46 years later today? I'm seated here. And when I asked someone over and over and over, this keeps coming up. How old are you? You've told me you have a lot of problems and a lot of issues. How old are you? I'm telling y'all. I would say 80% of all the people I've converted. They were between the ages of 27, 28 and 31 to 32.
Over and over and over and over.
all are in the same age group that I was in?" But I think what it is and to show you about the paths
we choose when we're young and foolish, when we're 18 or 19, we go down this road of sin and we build a track record without realizing it. You're building a track record. How you walk. It's a record. And man, by the time you go a decade in that thing, round and round and round and round, the drunkenness, the drugs, the immorality, the perverse, all of that. You put it all together and you say, "I'm going around here. I'm in misery." You have a track record that you can look back at because
you're 29 years old. So you look back and you say, "When did I get on this path and end up here that I'm talking to some kind of shrink that trying to get inside my head to tell me what my
problems are?" Well, by that time you've got a track record built and there's no doubt about it.
It's a terrible track record. And you say, "I'll tell you what I'm fixing to do." Because of what I just heard, the possibility of escaping planet Earth alive. And peace of mind while I'm here,
“I think I'm going to try this Jesus. Yeah, that was my thinking at 28. And since that time,”
when I asked him their age, every one of them they'll say 27, 28, 31, 32, 29, 30. They're all about that age. The vast majority of them, they were at that age group. I think it's because they have a track record and it ain't pretty. And they're saying, "I'm fixing to change the way I'll operate." And I want to clarify something you said too, because I meant to do this on the last podcast because we got a couple emails on this. When Phil says, "I converted somebody what he means is
he share the gospel with them." Obviously, the spirit's doing the conversion and it's sure. And God brought them in. Yeah. So we're just participating. Yeah, just saying I'm looking back and I'm looking at all these people who are relatively speaking. You're saying, "Hey, yeah, well people here that they're like, well that's a call." Yeah, that's not what we mean when we say that, that's the verbiage that kind of we use in our circle. Well, the explanation of it is God uses
flawed people, just even though he's made his perfect, which is great point that Colossians 1, 28, 29 is awesome. Because it says to this, he and I labor. So he's laborin like I convert. And he was already perfect. Struggling with all his energy, which is so powerfully, which so powerfully works in me. So that that was his point. Yeah, we're just, we're just vehicles.
“That we're a vehicle. And I think that's what he's saying with the spirit here,”
like he's no doubt. He's saying. But what do you agree that people with the vehicle, the Holy Spirit in them? And they live their life on planet Earth. They get up because they realize, I don't think I can be good without God. Let's try. So they get in Jesus in the Holy Spirit is given to him. And they look around after about, you start out. You'll be zigzagging left and right. That's where I did. I was going over here back forth back then. Well, because it's hard to make the
break. Yeah, it was kind of like this. Wide swings at first. You know, evil, good, evil,
good and finally, you know, I just kept on and I looked up after about a decade and I said, you're not the same guy. Yeah, you know, I'll look back and I said, good. Now, once the last time I've been drunk. And I thought it's been six years since I've been drunk. It's been eight years.
“Well, it's been ten years. I think you got a sum all this. I said, this is doable. Yeah, I think you got a”
sum all this up. You're a reasonable question. Why do they not bring up sin? Because they don't know the source. The source sin to me is not as big as the source of sin, which James 316 defines, which is selfish ambition. Because we easily get the source on the other side, which is the Holy Spirit. So, I mean, we brought up those things about the dogs and I, you know, exactly at a good point. You know, if I'm in the little dog area, what we call my layer. Well, that dog's not going to
do that because I'm staying there or I'm sitting there watching me. You know what, when I leave, you know what, he's like, I just don't want to go. selfishly, he doesn't want to go out there because it's raining. I'm not there. Look, God's not around because, you know, from his perspective, I'm God. I control pain, freedom, luxury, all the essentials that he need. I control it. And I think it's the same way. Well, what I would like to see counselors do, because when you said
That story about your buddy, you know, that made me mad.
problem is because they won't come back because nobody wants to hear that. That nobody wants to hear.
“You know what, you're the problem. You're making bad decision after bad decision. It's called”
sin. Everyone needs everyone. Everyone who is contemplating following Jesus. This is the biggest mist taxed and all of mankind I've ever booked that's ever been written. Solid food. You take the scriptures and you'll buy them. Solid food is for the mature who by constant use. This is something that you seldom hear in the religious world, even.
They've trained themselves to distinguish good for evil. The first lesson everybody has to
realize and the spirits there to help you with this. You say because it's a, the road becomes a lot easier to walk on. If you have constantly like the dog, you, you poop on the floor, you get your butt whipped. You say, what are you doing? You're helping him train himself to say, if you're going
“to take a poop, you need to get outside under some other. The language of helper is probably not”
even, I mean, it's even more. He's, he is the source of revelations. Well, that to go back to your collections, he's the source of, he says, the train good and evil. But he says to the, this end
of labor struggling with all his energy. It's, it's bigger than he's not even. It's not like a
hurt someone say one time that, that grace was when you're, you're climbing up the ladder and you get to that last wrong to heaven. You're like, I just can't get there and then the spirit and he gives you grace and he helps you the rest of the life. That's not it. Yeah, you can't, you can't even get on the ladder. Look, I mean, you didn't even know there is a ladder. No, you can't do that. But I just know this. You say, well, you know, these bullboys and smoke a bunch
of red necks climbing you. Look, let me, let me enlighten everybody. Let me tell my jeep. Yeah, let me enlighten
everybody about something. Oh, let's see, what time is it? Well, I don't like it. Let my clock
12 or clock. We're here midday. So we're here midday. You say, oh, once you, once you start moving around this morning, I said, I got the moving around probably 30 minutes after daylight. I'm out there. I end up in the woods. We're working on bulldozers. I'm out there looking at my water. You say, so what, what's your, what's your, what are you trying to say here? I'm saying to everybody, it's already been about seven or eight hours. I'm here 12 o'clock. I got up a daylight. You say,
has there been any sand committed yet? Any misstep? Now, there have been no missteps. You say, so you've been down there looking at bulldozers. They're working on that, you know, and you kind of pulled in there, brought a generator to them and the guys fixing the bulldozers. You went from there, checking your water, see what the water going to do. You know, day and you ended up up here. Now I'm at this table. You say, so far today, have you seen, violated the law, hurt somebody's
feelings? Have you, are you attacked anybody? No, it's all good. Everything's been good. You say, well, what about yesterday? Same thing. So the pat, I see a pattern that's developed in my own life. After 45, 46 years, applying these scriptures. The pattern says, you can't be good without God, but within, I'm going to eat ice so far. No seeing yet. You're like, hmm, you might make it all day. Might make it all week. Just get up and do what's right. Train yourself to know the difference between
good and evil. If it's evil, no, I'm not having it. I'm showing evil. I embrace good. What have been doing it all day today? You say, everything good? Everything good, but you will fall. Hey, I swear people, you meet it, Leo. But I'm just saying people who say, but no way I can do that, because you're asking too much of, no, I'm not. But it's a holy spirit inside of you, leading you down that path. And when we do mess up, God is an interesting being. He doesn't go with
past present in future, because he's eternal. He views everything at once. He knows our flaws, but he knew it before. But the evil one, Jayce comes along and says, you can't be good. You can't
“be good. Well, I think that it's kind of, we got to be careful how he framed that, because it's,”
I don't think that what he's saying is, it's not good in the sense of keeping a record. I think
What's happening with this text here is he's talking about the spirit and als...
the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit, the Holy Ghost, is going to change the desires of your heart.
He's going to transform you. So it's not, it's not this, I can't do the wrong thing. I do the
“right thing. Because that, that's another burden. You know, I hear that. I think that's another burden.”
But Zach Kim and Beans will tell themselves and they'll belittle themselves so much that
they don't appreciate when they're doing good. Look, this is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are. Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God.
“As a pattern, a walk. I'm in 1 John 3 and 1 John 1, he says, look, you're going to see him.”
I'm there to mediate for you. I'll remove him, confess your sins to me. They're coming and don't tell me you don't make mistakes from time to time. I'm just saying we take that and say, well, you can't be good all day or all week. Yeah, you can. Well, I think Zach's just saying it's not really
the point. You can beat yourself up trying to never make a mistake. Yeah, we don't endorse
“making mistakes. But that's why the source is what either self or spirit. Are you led by yourself?”
Are you led by this? What anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God. Neither is anyone who does not love his brother. You say, so you love your brother and you make every attempt to do what's right. But you're not watching every little step you're taking. You're just living a lifestyle of being good. It's innate. It's it. And you've learned that from the scriptures. Well, we'll open up another can of worms. But we're at a time today. So come back next time,
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