Ep 1296 | The Robertsons Master the Secret to Being Completely Unoffendable

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Man, it's been hard for me to get back in place here today. Boys, I appreciate the late recording time. I didn't get into about 3 a.m. this morning.

It's about 11 as we're filming.

It's one of those deals. You know, you don't know, you don't fly around the country. It's just now like everything is off. Like it's either weather. It's spring break.

The government's not working TSA. There's not enough agents. There's this. There's that. There's blah blah blah.

Oh, it's life. It's life. It's life in the air, Jason.

“It's life hurtling across the country in a aluminum tube.”

And it's not that pleasant, especially with 3 a.m.

But to my God's grace, we got here. And at least we're able to let it rip. But we had a great event this weekend in the state of Illinois. And I've been back and forth there a lot. I don't know what the deal is.

But we seem to be going up there about every other month. And I made a declaration in your state, Jason. But she kind of know your audience. And every time I mentioned something about, you know, red necks in Illinois. And I mean, there's a lot of hooping and hollering because these are these are farmers and hunters.

And I mean, this church was like full of camo. In fact, they gave us camo gifts that like has the name of the church owned the on the jacket. And I don't think I've ever got like really nice. Camo is a gift with the church's name on it. And the church is called the pasture.

And it's literally. It's literally in a giant pasture. And I was just driving through this farmway and all of a sudden it just kind of rises up out of the pasture. And the story was that this church back during COVID. This pasture who's there and there's been there six years.

You know, they just they were so locked down because it's Illinois. You know, they're run by everybody in Chicago and Springfield. So these people are just like us. You know, they're just hunters, good old folks, believers. Well, they couldn't meet.

You know, so they got it. So somebody had the idea, let's just meet out in this pasture.

“And so I think the first Sunday they had about 20 that brave didn't came out there.”

And six years later, they got about 1,000 people that meet there. But it's very, there's around me a lot of our church. Just a lot of grace based. You know, people coming across the the pasture's great had dinner with him. But I made a declaration on Sunday morning because we did a marriage refresh all day on Saturday.

And they were great. I mean, they were into it. They were listening and because we did like three hours of material count in the Q&A. And that's hard all day. But they were just they were troopers. They did awesome.

And so Sunday I preached. And so I got up there and it was packed. You know, and I said, oh, I'm I'm going to make a declaration today. I don't normally open this way, but I've been thinking about it. And look, it's just one man's opinion.

So, you know, I could be wrong. Take it for what it's worth. But I'm declaring that Illinois is a red state with two large blue dots. And when I said that, I mean, it's like the lead that was about to pop out. I mean, it was such a raucous reaction.

So I'd hit it. You know, sometimes you hit the right tone. And that's where they feel they feel trapped in their own state. And they, and they love being there. They're there for generations.

They're farmers. They have these huge deer and they're duck hunting. All this, but in these, like, two blue dots just control them. It's just sad to me. But, you know, it is what it is.

But I have declared Illinois red state minus the two blue dots. So. Well. And it went over great with the pasture. So I don't know if that's going to go anywhere from one day.

I was like, you know how to open Jesus, you always try to get like an open.

“Sometimes they don't go over, but sometimes they do.”

Yeah. Well, I'm, maybe think of Psalm 23, you know, the Lord is much better. Yeah. That's what I thought. To the pastures.

The pastures. Rest. She, it's sheep and shepherds, which we talk about quite a bit on this podcast. So anyway, the, the great folks up there, thank you for all some weekend. They're, they're great.

Zach, have you been missing us? I have. What have we been? Let's say we, I was here last week. I feel like we took a few days off.

No, I think you took a few days off. But that's okay. Yeah. We, I was here. I was here.

I was still in that. We were still hamsters. Zach and the wheel.

You just, you took the flu out.

No, I was here. I was here last week. It was week before I had to get a national to see a man about a horse. And now I'm, you know what, I will tell you this. So we, we went to King's, not King's port.

We went to Bristol, Tennessee. They hear the kids play with Larry Fleet. And when I tell you that I bet there were 40 unshamed fans that came to the show. So apparently, Bristol, Tennessee, that's our, that's our stomping ground. We have a lot of listeners in East Tennessee.

And a lot of them shut up with the concerts. I got to meet a lot of you out there. That was, it was awesome. See it all the, you know, all you guys from East Tennessee. We had a good time.

The kids play. We took about 40 people from our church over there. And, um, because it's on about a hour and a half. Where we lived here. So, and apparently, they've got duck hunting in East Tennessee,

Jayce. There's, they've got quite a few duck hunters there. I didn't even know that was a thing there. But, I mean, you don't think that much on the east side. Yeah, I wouldn't.

Because the west side is like, you know, that's where, uh, real foot lake. And, well, I knew there. I mean, that, because all that air. Yeah, that's, that's something that's stuck on the ground.

“Did you give them the ultimate tip in how to be a successful duck hunter?”

Which I didn't know the ultimate tip. What is it? It would have worked. Move west. (laughter)

Because that's where the west side of Tennessee is. Yeah. The closer you get to the Mississippi River. Well, some more mountainous on the east, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it is. And what I asked when I said, y'all could y'all kill any. And then, you know, we used to, we used to. (laughter) That's the west side.

I got spoiled on that little ice trip. We got in on Jayce. Yeah. Getting stuck down there with the ice. I'm, I'm forever ruined.

Bear. I mean, that's, yeah, that was horrible for a young man. I had that kind of experience right out of the gate.

Now he's going to be, you know, never held never have a.

Yeah, but he's got a lot of years. Yeah, but he's got a lot of years. Yeah, but he's got a lot of years to chase that. You on the other hand. Yeah.

Not too much. Nice. My years are fading quickly. So we're fading now. I used to Jason.

I used the ice apocalypse thing about y'all hunting him. I do a little, like a black lab. I'd be able to have chocolate lab comparison with the brothers and our family and dad and son. So I used you as the, even dad of the black labs, you know,

which are the go getters when it comes to duck hunting. And I said, you know, black labs, because I mean, jap or yellow lab. And I said, you know, they're the ones that go. They're the ones that went to ice storm hits.

Everybody's like hunting down with their families. Nope. The black lab takes off and gets stranded for four days in the woods. So that they can whack them and stack them.

“That's how, that's thinking like a black lab.”

Well, the fact that you put you in jail. Still in the lab category is kind of shocking. I thought you were going to say, we're still labs. Your two labs are great service pets. We need their weiner dolls.

They take care of kids, you know. Yeah, you got to go out there to be classified as a lab. I was there opening day to it. That's right. That accounts my yellow lab status.

And then will is the chocolate lab, because they're kind of kooky and crazy. And you don't know what they're going to do. I talked to him today. He, uh, there was an event in Anchorage, Alaska,

that I declined just because I had so many events in this. And it's Alaska, a willy. He's like, oh, I'm in. But he was so fired up. He was like, there's such a thirst, especially in some of the more obscure

places. He said they packed the house was hooping and hollering. He was really excited. I took him, you know, a day to get there and a day to get home and a day to have the experience. So I wrongfully asked.

I said, was there some eskimos there? And he said, they don't. That's an offensive word to them. I was like, well, I didn't get the memo on that. They're called native native native.

Would you be offended if somebody called you a redneck?

The redneck because they make fun of us and I don't care. We make fun of ourselves. We have to say it all the time. Yeah. So, I mean, that leads me to a spiritual segue.

“If you're right with the Lord, I think you're unoffendable.”

Yeah.

Because he basically said you're going to be offended.

Or people are going to try to offend you just for following me. So why are we shocked? Well, and you know, dad, that was the thing with one of dad's books. The first book that Gordon Goes wrote for him was your uncancellable, which is hard, hard word to say.

But you can't be canceled. Because once your sins have been canceled at the cross, he did the Elkos in 2014. Then who cares who tries to cancel you after that? It makes no difference.

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Yeah, he canceled the written code, nailing it to the cross making a... What does the rest of it say? Colossians took two. Making a public spectacle.

“Because that's what they were trying to do with G's.”

That's one of my favorite verses in the Bible. And I love to get into heated discussions with people who are trying to put themselves under law again because when they get to that verse, they're like he canceled the written code.

He took it away by nailing it to the cross. And they said, "Well, that doesn't mean canceled." But that's what it says. Yeah. I canceled my subscription.

But I still have it. No, that means it wasn't canceled. So is it very good right? It did do with it what you want. But I'm not sure that's where we're at today in the text,

but it's not. But I actually, so now it's kind of a weird thing in events because people will bring... Obviously Dad's not with us on the earth anymore, but they will bring his books that they bought

if I'm in an event and get me to sign it.

So you always sign a verse with my books

because I've thought about a verse that relates to them. But I had to really thought about Dad. So now I've had to start thinking about something for each one. Well, speaking of that, I mean, okay, you got Mark Twelph 28, which is, let's see.

Let me get the context. I wasn't planning on going here, but you brought it up. Is that where I want it? Let's go there. Yeah.

So, Twelph 28, one of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. What were they debating about? Let me look up. Marriage at the resurrection.

Yeah. That was the saddest thing that... No, no brother. Yeah. Notice seeing that Jesus had given them a good answer.

He asked them of all the commandments, which is the most important. So he's teacher of the law. There were hundreds of laws in the Torah. And so he...

Just think of this guy coming up saying, "Well, which ones?" No, he said, "Which one?" Yeah, "Which one?" So he asked for one. Which one is the most important?

The most important one, first 29, answered Jesus, is this.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.

Here's what I find funny.

He asked him for one, which is the greatest. Then he said, "The second is this." He didn't ask for two. He asked for one. But he gave him two. Love your neighbor as yourself.

There is no commandment greater than these. Ooh, he almost like it's two for one, like they go together. Well, what's funny is then the guy, the teacher of the law, just think you're having a conversation on but no one's to him, with the creator of the universe who wrote the law.

He made you who is the Lord God. And then he's like, "Well said, teacher." So now you're going to affirm the creator of the universe. Good job. The man replied, "You're right."

Just think of how this is not aging well.

You're actually given approval to the case.

It feels like there's a little bit of condescending tone in this man's voice. You're right in saying that God is one, and there's no other but him. To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, with all your strength, and to love your neighbor's yourself

is more important than all burn offerings and sacrifices. So when Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said, "You're not far from the kingdom of God." And from then on, no one dared ask him any more questions. But I love that when he's like, "You're close."

Yeah. To the neighbor's. To the kingdom. What does that mean?

“I think that's a good way to start this discussion.”

If you think about the direction on nature, the kingdom is connected back to Genesis 128.

So that's always the idea of expansion.

So if you're in the kingdom, you're like, "What do we do in here?" There's point to what we're doing, and then you're always pointing outward. Because everything is expansion of the garden, expansion of the temple, expansion of the dwelling place of God. We're going out.

The garden is going out. We're not coming in. And so the reason why he sums our law up, and there's two things that both of those, if you point to where your love is directed,

and both of the first and the second greatest commandment, one, you're pointing up because you're pointing to God, and then now you're pointing out to outward to each other. And so the way of the kingdom is actually the way of, it's the cruciform life.

It's the Christ showed us what Christ lived fully, and perfectly it's not consumptive, self-centered, it's outgoing and sacrificial.

“As I think that's what he's talking about when he says,”

you're close to the kingdom when you start to see this. This kingdom that I'm bringing, it's a lot different than the one that you guys don't about, the ones of the world. Because those kingdoms are all about self-preservation.

This one right here. This kingdom is about laying your life down, and then you lay it down. That's what you take it right back up. It's vindicated through a resurrected life.

I think that I agree with that, and also think that it reminds this story, and I hadn't thought about this story in a while, just because I didn't know we were going there either. It reminds me a lot about the rich and ruler story,

different, but similar in the sense that he was close to. He knew the law, he knew the law, he kept the law. In terms of, you know, he wasn't perfect, but I mean, obviously it sounds like he was a pretty obedient person. But he had a hard issue.

He just was just, I mean, he hadn't surrendered the one thing that he loved more, because so you can say the words, but do you really mean it, and are you really living it?

Is it really there? Do you really believe it? Have you surrendered to it? Because when he was asked point-blank to surrender, he walked away.

You know, this guy, you know, he just got quiet, but he said the right things, and it's interesting because by saying the right things, Jesus didn't say not, now you got it. You got the key to me.

You understand, he said you're close. You're in the right neighborhood, but what he left there kind of lingering kind of hanging in the balance was, well, where you embrace it when the moment comes.

And we know what the moment was when you embrace him.

“It's, it's used to the Messiah, do I believe it?”

And I'm willing to commit my life to him. And I think there are a ton of implications for this even in the modern world, because there's a lot of people that have, they say the right things,

Is it really, or are they really living? Is it really in there? Have they fully surrender?

“Because there's a lot of people that struggle with this idea,”

and it always comes back to me,

it will have you fully surrendered, because if you haven't, and the Holy Spirit is not there, you're going to have a hard time understanding what the kingdom really is.

Well, we think about it more like, when we say like, do you believe in this? People may believe the right things, but it's more than, it's not just that cognitive acquisition of the right set of beliefs.

It is the thing we keep hitting on this podcast that you're participating in God. And so when you read like, Abraham has credited him as righteousness. He believed God,

and it was credited to him as righteousness.

One of the arguments that Abraham's makes

is that Abraham didn't, he just believed in the revelation of God. And so your desires or what can shape you and guide you,

“but you have to, but before anything else,”

you said submitted, you had to submit your will to God's will. And so you said, well, guys revealing something to you, and it's not a begrudging submission. It's not like I gotta do this thing now,

because I'm supposed to do it. It really is a better word, maybe like trust. I actually trust that what God's telling me is actually true and good.

And then that's the picture I think, and that's what leads to that transformation. So if you've tried to box it all into a system, which is what the Pharisees were doing, they were like, we're trying to trap you.

We've got to say, you're holding it figured out. We want to box it in. We want to contain the whole thing in our container. And Jesus is like, well,

you're kind of missing the whole thing. Because you got all the right. You're checking all the right boxes, but you're missing the two big ones of what it's all about. Love God and then love each other.

That's what you're not doing. If you do this, you'd think it's a rest of it takes here or so. You'll follow the law perfectly. If you did that perfectly.

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“Well, I think how this ties in to where we're at first John because he's fixed to get into this.”

The idea of love and where it comes from, which I think is the most profound statement.

The more I'm reading this and first John four where he says, "Love comes from God."

Yeah, that's for John. He knows the open it ties with love one another. So, and then he said for love comes from God. So he basically restated what Jesus just said, which he read in March 12. Well, and my point is, he just counted this anti-Christ dissertation,

which I think when we talked about that, well, people couldn't get enough of that, because everybody hasn't theory on what that means. But he specifically said in verse two, this is how you can recognize the spirit of God. Every spirit that acknowledged that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.

But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. And so then he launches into this loving one another. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. So it made me think, I saw this somewhere, it was really exciting. It's been a while, and I didn't plan on giving this.

But since I read that about when he said, "You're close to the kingdom."

Well, you know, Jesus brings up the exact dissertation that John is giving. Love God, love one another. It's a, they go hand in hand. I mean, it's exactly the same thing. But I was listening to something about how the Jews thought that there were like two forces

or two gods, because he made that first statement saying that there's only one God.

But when you read in the Old Testament, there's some curious passages that seems to infer that there's another presence there. Of course we, as believers, when we read John one, it kind of answers those questions. Oh, that God is not only the Father or Yahweh God who is the Son, and then there's the Holy Spirit hovering over the waters at creation.

But all these things are inferred in numerous passages in the Old Testament,

“which is why Jesus would famously say, "You think, remember in John 5,”

that listening to the Scriptures, they'll lead you to eternal life, but you refuse to come to me because the Scriptures are about me." And he's talking about the Hebrew Scriptures.

And so I'll give you an example of that.

So I looked this up, and I didn't come up with this on my own, but so I didn't know that all over the Old Testament, picturing God Yahweh, don't the Father. There's numerous phrases that says he's writing on the clouds. I'll give you an example, Psalm 68/4.

Seeing the God, seeing praises his name, install him who rides on the clouds, Psalm 104/3. He makes the clouds his chariot and rides on the wings of the wind. Deuteronomy 33/26, there is no one like God who rides upon the heavens for your help and in his excellency on the skies.

Isaiah 19 once, see the Lord rides on a swift cloud. You get the idea, there's numerous ones, may whom one threes. The Lord is on his way and the whirlwind and the storm and in the clouds. And you say, well, where's the confusion? Well, when you read in Daniel 7, all of a sudden,

there seems to be another person who's doing this. And so I'll read at verse 13 and 14. We bring this up a lot, but just to make the point. In my vision at night, Daniel's having a vision. He looked in there before me, was one like a son of man,

coming or riding with the clouds of heaven.

“He approached the ancient of days, well, who's that?”

That's the one riding on the clouds and all these other verses I just read. Well, who is this other fellow? He was given authority, glory and sovereign power. All peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away.

And his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

So fast forward to where we just read in Mark. Well, here's the sky being asked. He's looking at him is just a man. And this guy is a teacher of the law. So he's quiz name, he's test name.

And he's like, oh, you got that right. Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and love your neighbors. You're going places. You got the right idea. Nice job. And then this guy responds, you're not far from the kingdom.

Well, that Daniel seven should have popped into his head there. And so then I wanted to read Matthew 26 when Jesus was arrested. And he's on trial. And they're questioning. And so I'll pick it up in 62 of Matthew 26.

Then the high priest stood up and said, Jesus, are you not going to answer?

“What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?”

Because they're saying he's a blasphemer. Because of the verse that all this is coming from is the two coming forward in verse 60, where he says, they say, this fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.

Oh, so they're like, why would you say something like that?

The high priest said to him, I charge you under oath by the living God.

“Now just keep in mind, who is this Jesus that they're talking about?”

Tell us if you are the Christ the Son of God. He said, yep, it is as you say. Jesus replied, listen to this verse. But I say to all of you in the future, you will see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of the mighty one,

and writing on the clouds of heaven. Oh, well. And you know that had to invoke, because these boys knew the Scripture. They knew exactly what he meant. Yeah.

Well, I say that because a lot of people say that Christianity or follow in Jesus's Son of God was invented, it was just created. It's a detachment from the Old Testament to the New Testament. They're like, yeah, y'all just made all this up.

But who in the world was Daniel talking about? And why is this fella in Matthew here saying, the very thing that was prophesied in Daniel, you're going to see that. You're looking at him.

Well, it's not just that even in the history of Israel, I was going to read this real quick, I pulled up. You're talking about the two different. But there's this thought in Judaism when they would read the Old Testament, the Torah, they would think, wait a second.

So you might, there's two characters here. You know, there's like a Yahweh, and then there's the word of Yahweh, and they seem like different persons. And this is like pre-Jesus, right?

This is before Jesus even arrived on the scene. And we're doing this. Well, it's pre-Jesus in him and form. Yeah, but it's not pre-Jesus. Yeah, well, I mean, Jesus is the incarnated.

So it would be, it would not pre-Son, but pre-Jesus. Jesus is the incarnation of the Son. And so when you think about that, he said, well, we just made that up then. I guess we just made up this whole second person of the Trinity thing,

and this whole Trinity doctrine and all that. But you listen to this from our file, which we actually are talking about him in our, we're doing that Hillsdale Ancient Christianity course. And one of the episodes we're doing is before Christ,

before Christ, they arrived on the scene.

“What was the state of Israel and how it moved into this time?”

And Filo was a, he was a Hellenistic Jewish philosopher, which that just means that he was in kind of the Greco-Roman world. And so he had that influence from the Greco philosophers, like Aristotle. They think those guys. And so, but he's Jewish, but he's a Hellenistic Jew.

And I mean, what a name. Can we just, can we just back up?

Because I've never figured that out.

Well, I would someone who claims to be a believer, call themselves Hellenistic. Well, he, it just, it just means that they are connected. He was influenced, he was influenced. But what was influenced?

When you want to have a meeting and say, let's change out the Hellenistic. Well, I don't think he, I don't know if he, that's not how he referred to himself. I think this is how, like, history others are to the Jews. I just never figured out that phrase.

He was making a play on words. Yeah. It just means like Jews that were basically in the world of Greece. And then like Athens and kind of everything around that culture and philosophy. I get it.

But why use the word Hell. Hell, I get you. Yeah.

“But you should have hands over your head.”

I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Well, I just never, I thought, how the hell is making a play on it?

It's Hellen, it's Hellen the Greek, Hellen the Troy or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a bad play on words. Not Hellistic.

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And she was standing right there. I said, she said, let me know, she listed it on the shame. So some people like the big words of the family.

“That's why people think that Chris Janney was made up because we tend to put everything in a category.”

But it's just a short hair word. Well, let me just say this. So this is what Filo says. And he didn't get this from the New Testament because that had been written yet. He asked his question.

He said, why is it that he speaks as if of some other God saying that he made man after the image of God and not that he made the mattress on image. No mortal thing had been formed on the similar to the father Supreme of the universe.

But only after the pattern of the second deity, who is the word of the Supreme being, men bear in themselves

of the familiar acquaintance with his word of which the human mind is similar to and form. And so I know that's a lot. What he's saying there. I mean, literally he's recognizing there. She's being another person in the God in this idea of God.

And what they would do is when they would translate the Bible for people who didn't speak Hebrew or understand Hebrew, they would translate it in the Arabic. The word they would use to describe that second person of the Godhead, the word of the Supreme being, the word of God, they would use the word logos. That's the actual translation they would use.

So you get to John 1, what you see is you see in the beginning was the word, the logos. The word was with God, the word was God. So John is actually going back to these Jewish people who kind of saw this in the Old Testament.

They never could make sense of it.

He's like, yeah, you know how you guys read about the word of Yahweh. Let me tell you who that is. His name is Jesus and he became flesh. And so that set was there. That background was there when Jesus arrived on the scene. It's one of the reasons I'm really enjoying this ancient Christianity class,

because it gives kind of a framework for understanding when Christ arrives on the scene. I mean, this thing had been building up for thousands of years to the point when Christ arrived.

“It's like, oh, he's the climax of the story, right?”

And it's been pretty powerful. Yeah, I agree. And it was interesting because they accused Christ's identity of being atheist, because they didn't have statues of their gods, you know, all over the temples or places they met or whatever. And even Judaism as well. So it is ironic that two or three different cultures during that period of time, this is what we've learned in the course.

They had all these multiple gods, but they were then made into statues. And that's who they worship. And we're in the Christianity, you know, following Judaism says, no, we have one guy. He's multifaceted. He's one and 83. And we have no statues of him because he became a man.

And so he's a man like us, which they just could not take. Because they can grasp that, but listen to these verses that if you think that, like, we're making this up. This is in Jeremiah 1/4, and then 1/9, and so it's in the same context, right? Now the word of Yahweh came to me saying, and then just a few verses later, then Yahweh put his hand and touched by mouth. And Yahweh said to me.

So you see that there is like, there's a lot of verses like this by the way, the Bible where you would have the word of Yahweh. And then Yahweh and you're like, wait, oh, it's a little weird to read. Like, sounds like two different people. And it is. It's two different persons. And so you actually see once the Trinity has revealed in Christ. When you see the baptism of Jesus, you see it with really clear picture of it.

Then this is revealed. And now you can go back and you can look at all these texts in the Old Testament. Oh, that's, oh, the sun was there at the entire time.

Wow, so the second person, the Trinity, Jesus, you know, or the sun, was present through all of these stories that we read about the Old Testament.

“Yeah, that's why he would refer to, I'll put my name and remember the angel of the Lord.”

Well, who's that? Well, because he was given the same respect as Yahweh and you're like, wait a minute. And he just an angel or is the word of the Lord, the angel of the Lord. I mean, and so I think most people get the idea there. Oh, this is, this is the sun pre becoming a human.

Yeah, which I think it ties in so strongly, just because we left off in first down 47.

The last podcast you made, you kind of went down a rabbit hole on the being born of God.

“Remember that everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.”

And you talked about children and the, you read some verses from the Old Testament and knew the talked about children that are born that at some point come to know this idea right and wrong. And we went all the way back to the garden. I firmly believe this is why God chose to come into the world through Jesus Christ being born of a woman was to show us this idea about birth. I mean, we all know it physically or born into the world, but this idea of rebirth and being born of God, that's why he did it that way is to show us the way, which is why Jesus told Nicodemus and John three, he was like, you got to be born again.

“The name is as well as that happened. I can't get back at my mother's room yet I'm a grown man, but he knew only about the birth, not the rebirth, which is why I think Jesus came the way he did.”

When you go back to the creation story, when does the evil one show up when God institutes marriage and the foundation of a family, which is why I also think that John brings up king in first John three. I mean, just think about the passage where is that in Malachi where it says God hates divorce and then he goes on to say because he wants godly offspring because he's thinking he's saying the what nobody likes to say out loud is divorce is destructive to the kids involved more than anybody else. And so when does he show up? Right when the family is being instituted because in this whole idea of love, you see God's plan at work throughout all generations, you want to pass this own and you have the family model kids come forth.

You train them, you pass that on. So when that gets disrupted, then evil makes itself known. I mean, that that's how it all happened to me, you know, and look, guys, you're so you're so right. I mean, I just did a marriage event this weekend and I mean, every time we do one of these and then you start talking to people in the breaks or at the book table or whatever.

It's just what you just mentioned. It's always generational curses. It's it's things that happen to them when they were kids. It's the their parents split up their dad was abusive.

These things happen and you see what happens when these generational curses then come into the next relationship in the next marriage. And the first instinct is to do what you've seen and to do the same thing and to keep the curse going, which is what the evil one was. You know, we compare it to having a bunch of suitcases going into your marriage and then just trying to put them out of the bed and never really open them up and let God take all the junk. Because you have to be the curse breaker, right? You have to be the one that says no, we want to be reborn. We want to be renewed individually and as a married couple. So what you're saying is spot on to where people are because I mean, I see them every week or out there and have these conversations.

And when they realize that when they surrender it all to Christ and then surrender to one another, it's amazing what can happen. And you hear those stories exactly. And I think it shows you that love is under attack because us, you know, cane kills able. I mean the kids. You know, after the consequences of Adam and Eve's sinful decision. And then here we go. And that continues. I think that's why it uses all this language about being born again. Jesus was born, you know, physically, but then he's offering, oh, there's a new creation.

May have you read that lightly. So we do it every year and our marriage is fresh and people are shocked by what's in there.

“Well, and here's what I found fascinating. I did a little rabbit hole in songs or songs of Solomon, which most people don't even believe Solomon wrote it.”

It's just, the man was, how many wives did you have? 700,000. Yeah, it was a lot. And because a lot of it is from a woman's perspective and then you have the man's perspective, but, and I look, I did a rabbit hole on it because what what I found fascinating about that book because it's it's a collection of

poems about love between a man and a woman desire, you know, that brought that up our desires. And so it, you know, the dues will say, well, this was a picture of God being married to Israel.

“Well, then the Christians came along and they're like, no, it's a picture of when when Paul recorded in Ephesians five, it's Jesus and the church, you know, it's so funny.”

Because if you read it and you're like, well, it can't be between just a husband and a wife. I mean, it's just too graphic, you know, and there, I mean, it's it's it's it's pretty pretty raw there about desires and well now, you know, they found a lot more, they've uncovered a lot more, what do they call those things, the scrolls and all since the year 2000. And the more you read it, there's a lot of garden imagery in there, and that was the rabbit hole, it was I found fascinating.

“And so now a lot of scholars are saying, well, maybe it was depicting the relationship of Adam and Eve, a picture of that before the the fall, the sin, which makes a lot of sense because there's no shame, there's no.”

And so it's about to say love with no shame, I mean true true love, physical emotional spiritual love without shame, and it would be fascinating to see that because you just, you know, we don't see it. Well, we're also corrupt, we immediately started reading and thinking, oh, I don't need to be reading this, I got to protect my. You know, it's in the Bible, it's a letter in the Bible that that's an appropriate and irreverent, I'm like, I'm reading Bible scripture here.

He's describing the anatomy of a woman in graphic detail, and other than my dad, I've never heard anyone, you know, quote those verses, which he did, never one would laugh.

I mean, he would he would memorize these graphic verses, and then he would start talking about Miss Kay and it's like, you know, Bill, we'd rather you not get into this and the table. You know, but that's why he did it. And the rest are like gazelle. That's exactly. You know, and people are all, we can't talk about it. It's in the Bible, and what's awesome about that is within that marriage, one man, one wife, for life, which I've experienced, and you know, I can comment on this, because I've never been with another woman in any intimate way that I have with my wife.

Hey, there's a lot of that going. There's a lot of songs going on, and it is a beautiful thing when it's done in a trusting way of God, and it's depicted as a love story. And so when you think about love, because I mean, we talk about it. Me just think, there's a, I googled how many love songs have been written, and it's, it's tens of millions. It said, well over a hundred million, the exact number is not in the days is the most often used word in any song title by far. You know, it's also a top five Google search. What is love trying to define in a search for love, and so I think what the Bible captures only.

So I looked up, you know what I found fascinating in this little rabbit hole search, because we're going to talk about love, because how many times is the word a got paid love used in first John in this little section that we're 27 times and these 15 verses were about to study. You know what I found fascinating. I'd never heard of Fala until I was doing my research on this and then Zach starts quoting him. You know what I found fascinating. I forgot where I heard this. I wish I could give credit to this because I thought this was fascinating.

“So the Greek poets and philosophers very rarely used the word a got pay or a gotpo, you know, the verb of a gotpeo. I think is the the verb, they can't find the right answer. It didn't flourish that word until Jesus came on the scene.”

Correct. Now, you think what happened? He literally redefined an obscure word that they used rarely. He created a new Greek word to be used profoundly from his experience on the planet.

That's when you know you did something or you showed what true love is when they took a word and said, "Ooh, Jesus has redefined that." Because post Jesus, they used it primarily. And the same you see on the Bible, they still used you on the friendship word for love and all that, but that's the one they mainly use, which is not too different from a gotpeo. But I want to heard that I thought in that fascinating that we had to.

“We do our vocabulary after the way Jesus lived his life when it comes to love and it became ultimately this self-giving sacrificial love.”

And so another thing I found interesting is that verse and first John, because it started in 316 when he just made this profound statement, he said, "This is how we know what love is." I mean, you want to know what love is, we can save you some Google search. Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. Period. And you know what I found fascinating? I'd never noticed before. I'm going to give you a couple other verses here, that seems to say the same thing when defining love. Galatians 220 is the one that says, "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live." But watch what it says. But Christ lives in me, the life I live in, the body I live by faith and the son of God, who love me and gave himself up for me.

I don't know we're almost out of time, so I'll give you one more. But it's all over the place. Ephesians 5, he says, "Be imitators of God, therefore as dearly loved children, same language John use, and live a life of love, just as Christ laid, loved us, just as Christ loved us."

“And here it is again. And gave himself up for us. Why does it keep saying that this is love and it says, "Christ gave himself up for us." Christ gave himself up for us. Christ gave himself up for us.”

So you know the first time love is mentioned in the Hebrew Scriptures. Do you know the first time love is mentioned in the Hebrew word for love? The first mention of love, which the in Hebrew hava hava.

A curse in Genesis 22 to when God instructs Abraham to take his son, saying, "Take now your son, your only son, whom you love, Isaac, and do what?"

And give his life up. And then interesting. And then it's defined later in the New Testament as Jesus gave himself up for us. All right, Deis. Well, you've run us out of time, but you've left us intrigued, which means we'll have to come back next time.

And pick this up. Oh, no, no, no shame.

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