Ep 1302 | Missy Robertson Gets Real About Beauty, Aging & What Really Matters in Marriage

Welcome back to Unashamed. We've upgraded yet again. We're unashamed, but I guess we've had the lovely missing. And Zach is still here. And Zach still here, too. That's two in a row. Zach is hung around for you in a row.

Let me see your hand, babe, and I'll welcome you properly. That's nice. It's your list. It's a government. I can't even go on for nine days. He was talking how lonely. Oh man. We heard that low and slow bachelor life last week. He said first four days are great, but then he started getting lonely.

Great. You said great. Great. Oh, honey, babe. I made it. I made it. Okay. He literally made it. I said I was having a problem missing you, because I was three people that were really bothered me, which was. Me myself and I all alone.

“You and the dogs is that was Miss Wood. Where did you go?”

Now, where were you at, Missy? Well, I went to see the grandkids in Nashville, because that's also where I get my hair done and a little town called Columbia. So every week, I'm there. Women will do for that. How I'm talking about can hate our road trip.

And you know, believe that I've never brought that up.

And I only didn't because I thought that seemed embarrassing to drive eight hours to get your hair done. I'm driving to see my grandkids, but I happened to find, well, actually, Jason found this online. So we were at the farmhouse a couple of years ago, and I'm like, Jason found it. He found it. He did. It was, so we had, we get a tent, we get it.

Does this person do Jason as well? I don't know, because we can't much of a poster. Tell the story, but I'm just trying. We get a subscription. I guess it's free to all the residents there called a Murray living. Murray, Tennessee. It's the county. And on the very back of the magazine, it just happened to me laying on our coffee table.

Jason just opened it up, and then the very back, he said, "I want to try this one, because I was complaining, because my hairdresser had left Monroe, and he's now in Colorado. He's not, you know, I can do it like, you know, like when you get used to somebody. You know, ladies, when you get used to somebody, see, I know, I see Maddie shaking her head over there.

“Yes, it's like a death. It's like a death. You got to find somebody brand new from scratch."”

And I had to say, even for men, or at least this man, I'm like that, because I've been chasing Connie Sue around almost 40 years now. 'Cause she's now, so I've been like that about, and now's like that about his toes. He only, he likes to get pedicures up hair as they're going. Yeah, I had a pedicure, and they were making the front of me on the other podcast.

I said, "I'm secure enough, and my masculinity that I can do a pedicure and be fine." But they were like, "Oh, oh, oh, oh." Well, it's under the podcast. Hi, I will say I have a nail salon there as well. So, when I get my hair done, and the pedicure people there are fantastic,

and it's not like Monroe.

Well, my husband started me, because when I first started, I was fast back when I was still fat.

And so, I couldn't bend over very easily to do my own feet. And so, then it just became convenient. I shifted over to the shoes, just slip on, and then I had to see your feet. Well, some days, and then I let these wonderful ladies were so good at it. It was like, "Why would I ever do that?"

So, now, when I see my toenails getting to that point, where I'm going to have to clip it, even though now I can do it. This is disgusting. Oh, it's terrible. Which is why you talk about it.

Well, but it shows the hypocrisy in this conversation. It says, "Look, while you were gone, I cut my hair. I've got to have my beard off. No one noticed. No one noticed.

And so, why do you want to do it? Well, you would have noticed. Why did I do it? She didn't either. She didn't notice?

I pointed it out. Because it's not near enough. And she said, "Oh, I thought you had your hair up or something." But she didn't notice.

“And so, that's why I'm saying, "Why do I do all that?"”

Nobody cares at this stage of our life. Nobody can. No one cares, you're right. No one cares except yourself. I care about the way that I'm big on my hair.

Because I don't have any. So, I buy it and have someone put it in for me. It's all extensions. I'm not ashamed. I'm not ashamed.

I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed.

I'm ashamed. I'm ashamed. Shut me today. That might be a great slide. It takes a special set of skills to do.

I always take somebody to put it in.

So, when someone says, "In Tennessee, in a state that's five states of one thing." When someone says, "Oh, that's not your hair." I said, "Yes, it is. I have the receipt for it." But, love, you know what's funny, baby?

You really, really meant a lot to her

And it was getting thinner.

“Well, it all had mainly happened when my body went through a lot of trauma before I got pregnant with me.”

And then all through me is pregnancy. It just never recovered. It just never did. Do you remember what I told you? I thought you would remember this.

One exact line? Okay. I said, "Babe, if you're bald, I'm okay with it." See, so that's why it's not for you. It's for me.

Yeah, and then she said that. She said, "I'm doing this for me. Well, when I first went to the salon in Tennessee, I came home and, "Oh, I'll show you, and he loved it." Oh, it looks great.

He said, "How much did that set you back?" I said, "Do you really want to know?" And he said, "No, it's fine."

So, to this day, he's never asked me how much it cost.

No, I took that to me. I took that to me and said, "A lot." Well, well, Jill, Jill has a disease. It's called Dinoligo. So, her whole, all-her skin is law.

Like, it's pigment that's gone, probably 90%, maybe 90%, 80% of her body. And so, she spends money on skin care. And I just don't ask questions about it. No, it's best not to. Well, we're just coming.

We're just bearing it. All our soul is there. These are some of the keys to a very happy marriage, really, it is. Let us do our thing. And Jill and I are both smart enough.

We're not going to spend a ridiculous amount that we don't have. So, as long as we have it, our husband's allow us to spend it. And we're better women for it. That's what I was saying. I didn't think she'd do that.

No, I didn't think she'd, I did the same thing.

You said, "Jase, I was like, "I don't care." Like, "I love you." Like, "I tried to just do the affirmation." And I got the same, but this ain't for you. This is for a lot.

I wasn't. I think I convinced her that I really didn't.

“I was like, but if you want to do this, great.”

I mean, but I don't care. So, don't feel like you have to do this. You know, if all your hair falls out, I mean, I committed and we're going all the way. Well, Lisa said one time that she will be buried

in her casket with bleach blonde hair. And I said, "I will be buried with extensions." So, there you go. And she told me, plainly, if I'm still around, do not open, it's a closed casket with a picture,

one of my better pictures on top. She says, "I guess you know, one of those wraps, like you can wrap a car, you can wrap the casket in a picture of what she does not." She doesn't want to be cut.

She doesn't want to be people becoming, like, "Oh, she looks so good. "Will there anything?" I found this so enlightening. Because somebody who was raised out in the woods,

when she told me that this would people were doing there. I mean, I was like, "Remember, I was so shocked. "I was like, "They were hair extensions." Other hair inputted on you. And like, you would say, "You'd be watching something

"like a news anchor." And she said, "Oh, she has it. "She got no extensions." And I was like, "How can you tell?" - Lisa comes around to raising you.

"The other people were doing this." I thought you were just doing it, 'cause you have thin hair, better. - One of the producers of Duck Dynasty actually told me, 'cause they're the ones who suggested it to me.

They asked, "Would you be open to wearing them?" And I said, absolutely, especially if you're gonna pay for it, which, so for five years, they paid for 'em. - Are you serious? - Yes, I'm serious. - That's what she got hooked.

That's how it all starts.

“- Yeah, that's how it starts. - It's so worried”

about the new things that are charging. - Oh, this is... - Well, I told you, 'cause I mean, as I got older, you know, my up top is thinning. You know what I mean, big time. And not like crazy where I'm ball,

but it's definitely not. Like, I don't have the hair line I have when I was about 30. - Well, in the spirit of Fails Act, it's coming. - Yeah. - Or going. - It's going to get worse. - It's going to get worse.

- It's more going. - Right away from my hair lines, running away from my eyebrows, but I was like, I'm gonna go get the hair extensions. And I'm not hair extensions, what they call them. - It's the plugs. - It's the plugs.

I see there's two things that I ever do that you'll never know.

I said, if I get hair plugs, I'll never tell you.

And then if I ever win the lottery, I'll never tell you. - You're just... - And I told all my friends and family this, and nobody thinks that I could do something like that and not say it. But I think, I mean, but I've told them

if I ever did it, I'll never tell you. - Well, 'cause we'll probably know. - We'll probably know. - Six in a say, "You do have J.C. Will tell the world." (laughs) - I'm not saying that. - If he knows this, it doesn't matter.

- I have a perception about people. - So I'm good at reading people. - So I'll know. - No. - I'll know. - You think you would know if I got hair plugs, oh, I know.

So I don't do that. (laughs) It's all right, done. If I did, it'd already be done there. - It'd say it's a vein for a man to do that,

but it doesn't for a woman.

“- That's why I wouldn't want it. - That's it.”

- I mean, that's the exact thing. I can put a me for pedicures, but he's telling my hair plugs. - And you just... - It's actually, I'm not gonna tell anybody.

You just told it to a million people.

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- Yeah. - If I get that, we know. - Nobody just wear more hat. - You're just, 'cause I wouldn't overdo it. I would just do it enough to where you were like, "Oh, it's got nice air."

I wouldn't, I wouldn't want you to think I have nice air. I just don't want you to think he's thinning. 'Cause I'm not, you've got to set the right expectation, but so we've had this conversation. Me and chill have had it multiple times.

So now I bring my family's like, "If you got 'em, we would not have a parent." - They're going to watch now. They're going to watch for it. - They're looking for it. - I was looking for that verse.

It says, "Man looks at the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart." - 10 first thing. - No, it's the worst. - First thing, meal 16. So, uh, there you go.

- That approach. - But, actually, it was already handsome man, too. - Yeah, I've actually just, yeah, I didn't get an op on that, but like, I do, it's the Chuck Norse thing we talked about in the last episode.

I mean, you know, there is a... - You know, Chuck Norse, by the way. - I saw that this morning. - He was one of my childhood heroes, so we don't know. - Well, it's fun. I got four texts on that this morning. - Wow. - On the Chuck Norse.

I had four people text me that you hear Chuck Norse that. - Well, and the reason why is because the joke was about him, he was invincible. So he liked, you know, everybody took Norse, all the jokes and stuff.

“And so, like, what happens when the invincible died?”

- Well, he's like everybody else, you know? - Yeah. - Which we talked about, yeah. - Yeah. - Well, uh, we invited you here, but we're... In first John, and the theme of it has quickly developed into love after I'll point it out

that in chapter four, it's mentioned 27 times. - Just the stretch from seven to 21. Just 15 verses. - It's mentioned 27. - But I think you're in such a good mood because you got to see all your kids, and...

(laughing) - I was such a good mood. I was very, very, very, like, it totally filled my gut because none of them live here. So when you get to see all four of your grown kids

and then all four, I got to, you know, even love on little Georgie there. That's about to be born. Off over your grandkids, making sure everybody's doing good.

- No, why am I, you said that quickly? Have they decided the name? - You said little George, are you just calling him little George? - I don't know if I'm supposed to say that. They haven't decided on a middle name yet,

but yes, I think it's okay, George. If it's not all, let you know, Maddie, and you can take that out. (laughing) - If this makes it in the podcast,

just leave her talking about Maddie, but then just do a blank out on their way. They're audios of it like, "Oh, what is this?"

- It's incredible to just to say that we're about to have

number four, and Maris is four, who's the oldest, and they're just pure joy.

He ran fever for seven days straight.

Nothing came of it. He was just kind of a larger, wanting to be loved on. It was kind of a little fever virus going around through their families, and they're a little community of friends, and so, but the way that they just lived their life,

I just reminds me of that, well, of course, probably was already one who we went through at least a bit, to be busy at home and mind your own business. And that's, you know, when you're busy at home, you really don't have time to mind other people's business.

“- Yeah. - And I see that that's what's happening with Brighton.”

I mean, I was there to, I wanted to make sure I earned my keep, because I had to stay with them in their home, because I don't know if you told, during the ice storm, our Tennessee home got hit hard, too, and so. - The same one that was just recovery from the tornado.

- It's still being rebuilt from the tornado. - We're two years into the Reconstruction now. Have you ever felt like, Missy sometimes the book of Jonah, you're just like-- - Oh, I read the contract, he's like, I just feel like it's fighting against me, but the two bathrooms

that were okay, and we could still live in that part, the house, a pipe burst upstairs and flooded both bathrooms. So the floor of the upstairs bathroom fell through and the ceiling of the downstairs bathroom fell through. So the silver lining is, we get two new bathrooms.

And they would floors on that side, and so. But ironing my keep at Reed and Brighton's very busy house. It was easier this time, because Poor Brighton is her attitude is fantastic, but she's so tired. So I was able to help cook and clean up and bathe the kids,

which to me is just a joy, total joy, and they're so grateful. So thankful. So that was super, super fun. I'll love that. - Yeah. But thrown in the middle of that trip, I had something else super fun, and we took a girl's trip to New York City.

So my cousin, Tori, she's-- So I'm the oldest grandchild of my Jujim pops, and she's the youngest grandchild, and there it is. So she's 32, and I'm 54. She's 22 years difference in us, and she is hysterical

because for most of her life, she cannot remember how we're related. And she's a blonde. She's a true blonde. - And she's a real blonde. Because I have to ask the-- - Black fit her. She laughs at herself.

She cannot remember, like, we would be driving in the car, and I would say something to our grandma, G.G.

“And we talking to she's like, "Why are you calling her, G.G.?”

Like, she's my grandma. She said, "No, she's my grandma. "Yes, we have the same grandmother." - That's called G.G.? - Yeah, our mothers are sisters. And she's like, "What?" [ Laughter ]

And Peggy is, "You're Mom?" And I was like, "Oh, God. Okay, let's start this over again." Because we're-- - Because she's one year older than Reed.

So she always thought Reed and Cole were her first cousins,

so which would make me her aunt. I'm not her aunt, but I've given that up years ago. And even at Cole's rehearsal dinner, this was so funny. At Cole's rehearsal dinner, just this past October, she took one of the kids, my grandkids, to the restroom,

and Emily's mom was in the restroom with one of her grandkids. And she said, "Now, she looked at Tori and said, "Now, how are you related to Cole?" And Tori said, "I totally blanked." And I said, "I'm probably not the best one to explain that to you."

I guess I know that a rub it's cute, right? She realizes how that's coming across. Because then most people then are thinking, are you really in this family? But you know, she's your first question.

She's a first. She's Bonnie's daughter, who's our mom. She calls the first cousin once removed. OK. Yeah, explain that to her.

So I explain that to me. She's taking care of that because because I've asked the question, I've had this conversation with Reed and how are we related? So we looked it up and I'm your first cousin, once removed because your dad's my first cousin.

Yeah, they used to say second because they changed it. Now they changed it. So I got offended by that. I don't know where the removed came from, but that's one generation of people.

I've never even made somebody go to divorce.

Yeah, we can. You didn't want to be second. Well, that's right. You didn't want to be second.

“Now that's why they're given trophies to everybody.”

Participate in little league. Well, there's no winning. There's no first. There's no second. Well, at the time we were getting on a plane and Carly and Bailey were going there.

We're going with this. And they've gotten to sit up and first class the last time, and Bailey said, "Paper, we're sitting in first class or second class today."

Well, they got like coach, but yeah, today is coach. That's true.

“You know why do somebody don't want to be a second class?”

I do. So that they got like coach. Well, I've been on a plane with Al before to Europe.

And he had first class seats.

And I had, I don't know. I don't do coach for Europe, I don't know where I'm asleep. And I got, he brought it up several times throughout the trip. How was your steak back there in the back? I said, I thought my filet was not quite done to my liking.

I wasn't right there with that thing, but that's true. That's what it's crazy about it. Back then, I didn't know. Exactly. That was talent.

You were still just a producer. I know. I should have been like, I'm a producer, man. I'm a producer. I don't tell you, speaking of first class.

Can I talk about the hotel on here? You're right. OK.

“We say that the Trump hotel on West 59th Street.”

Is that the one in Central Park?

Yes, I'm a circle. It's my favorite. We've stayed there, you know, A&E would put us there, and then box. Put us there for for that family treasure. And as long as I have money, I will not stay anywhere else.

But they know it's true. I don't think they know me without you. I'm just another. The days became very famous. I'm not there.

OK, kick down. And we've we put that behind us. Have we? They did. They.

They rolled out the right carpet. You got the assist at the college and you did it. Is this the what? This is indeed. This is a DC area.

No, this is a New York. No, this is a New York. It's it. It's right at Columbus Circle. For those of you who are not born then, I was kicked out of the Trump hotel that

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So hey, Sue's is still there and he's amazing.

My friend, my friend, he was just, you know, but then he was like, what room? And I told him, he was like, oh, Mrs. Robertson, so he did not recognize me. He treat, they treat everyone as if they were a celebrity. Whether you are or not, you are treated first class. So then I told him who I was, then he remembered you, of course.

And so we talked about that incident. And we were laughing, I said, obviously it didn't affect us. I will not stay anywhere else. This is the most fabulous place here. I was like, I told him that, you know, not then President Trump, but his assistant called

you after finding that out. And you said, one thing you said, hey, look, he was doing his job. He's protecting the property. He was doing his job. And he did it in a nice and cordial way, so he got to Central Park and said, good luck, sir.

You know, so right across the street. Well, he said, and the company was sleeping at five out of bed. Well, what's funny is the assistant with Trump and the background was like, fire him.

“And I was like, no, that's why I said that.”

I was like, no, don't, don't fire him. I mean, if I was in New York, and I got looking like me showed up before the haircut. And I cordially, if I weren't came up to, yeah, and I was cordially escorted out of the

I would think that man's doing his job, I could be a threat. So I thought I have breaking news. Hey, Susan, hey, Susan, he came to me very closely and he said, that man who did that. And I said, oh, no, he said, he was dismissed. Oh, he was.

I said, what, no, I said, oh, no, I'm going to have to tell Jason, as he said, that does not happen and will not happen here. I have a job. I tried to save your job, buddy. Oh, man.

But I was so sad. It is, it is, it is, let's say no accent. He said, tell Jason, Jesus says, hello. Oh, I like where he's going. Yeah, I think you did.

Well, you did.

“Since you told that story, you have to tell the story about y'all going somewhere else.”

And then hayland a cab. And then what happened? Wait, wait, wait, which time? You said they said, where are you going? And y'all got in my car.

You're not going to believe it. OK, so yeah, this is, this is a disturbing. So we don't look, first of all, let me just say, New York is super fun.

We took the subway, we hailed cabs, we walked, we never felt threatened.

Mia did some things on her own by herself, you know, so what she does, she's very independent. I could track her location because she shared it with me. But I would look up and be like, oh, she's down on third street. What does she, you know, we're saying on 59, but what is she doing? She just went down there to get a picture by the Brooklyn Bridge because she said, there's

a little spot where you can get a picture with the Empire site building right in the window in the background. It's an awesome picture. She just went down there by herself at 7.15 one morning and took the subway. I was like, okay, now that you're back, how was it, you know.

So there's things like that as a mom, I'm like, no, that's why she doesn't tell me. She just goes and does it.

“But Saturday night, we went to see a Broadway show, we're not to dinner, we'll see”

a Broadway show. And you know that the theater district, they all get out about the same time. Once that last show is over, there are people everywhere. It comes everywhere, cars everywhere, like private cars, all of that. And so it's like every man for themselves to hail a cab.

It was too far, I would have walked back, but we had one person in our party who chose to wear high heels and they had already walked from the hotel to dinner to Broadway and they said, over my dead body and we're walking back. Or my, I'll leave that one private, I don't tell you who that one was. So, but he was like, okay, so we have to hail a cab.

So we go out and there's this first, there's this private car, black car.

And he says, you need taxing. And I was like, oh, yeah, here's one man with no, get back. She was like telling him, get back, get back, get back. And she's like, mom, no, good away from there. And I was like, what, what in the world, then another black car pulls up behind him.

Like these are all to me, they're trying to get business, their ubers or lifts or something. But Mia just, and he came around. He said, you need taxis. She said, don't harass us, get out of here. And I was like, oh, my 20-to-year-old daughter is like, and one of my older cousins said,

“Mia, you are savage, I was just like, what in the world?”

Like why she being so adamant about this? And she was like, hail a yellow cab, light on all that. So we knew how to do that. We hail the yellow cab, came in because we had to split up. There were six of us.

So it's three of us because some people involved. Well, I'll tell you, okay. So, so the yellow cab, we opened the door.

Mia gets in first and she says, Trump, West fifty-nine, Columbus Circle.

And he said, what? She said, Trump, hotel, Columbus Circle. Get out, get out of my cab. What? Get out of my cab.

Get out. We said, Trump too early. Yeah, he's like, I ain't taking a job like that. Get out. He's not taking us, did the job.

It was you. How devided our country. Wow. Yeah. So is like, are you serious?

No, we're dressed. I quit. You didn't, because you're staying at the Trump hotel. He went back. No rap for you.

Wow. So it was like, well, actually, that was Saturday night. We'd been there for, that was our third day. I'm kind of surprised that was the first time it happened because we had ridden in some calves and we'd say that every time.

We'd get in a cab. And so then the second one came along and I said, say, Columbus Circle first. So Mia gets in, says, Columbus Circle. And we all got in, shut the door, and he said, where on Columbus, and she said, Trump hotel.

And he said, okay. So here we go. And we passed this man who was yelling at us, you need taxi, you need taxi. And I said, look, somebody got in and he said, you do not get in that car. That man is illegal.

And I was thinking he is an illegal alien is what he was saying. But he said, what he's doing is illegal. He said, he will rip off whoever is in that cab right now. He's going to charge them $50 or $60 for something that we're about to pay $18 for. And so he said he's been, he's been charged and fined two or three times at $3,400

And he still does it.

“He said, ladies, never get into an unmarked car.”

You don't know who it is and you don't know where he's going. So I thought, okay, Mia, Mia looked at me and I was like, you were right. She was like, say mom, and she was validated, but the girl is, she said it. She said it. She said it.

She's both, you're learning from your kids. Yes, absolutely. Yes. We're in that stage. We are.

We are. I love it. But, you know, Mia has traveled a lot. She's been a lot of big cities. She's been in other countries.

She studied in Costa Rica. So I'm saying, so she, you know, you think about it, they get a certain amount of comfort

level that we probably never do because we're like small towners and I'm always looking

over my shoulder when I go to those big cities. I think it's the most efficient amount.

“She, she googled, because she and I are both into like antiques and thrifting.”

And she said, there is a, there's a flea market in Chelsea. And I said, oh, oh, oh, we should go. I want to see what New Yorkers throw away. You know, I want to go see. And so we, she and I, by ourselves, went on Saturday, even before before the Broadway show.

And yeah, it was awesome. I brought two, about two gold antique frames that were about falling apart in my suitcase back. And he started off for two for a hundred and I got into twenty bucks. So. You know, this is the, the, the, the statement you just made is something that has never

come out of my mind. I want to go see what insert the place throws away. That's what they're doing. I know.

But I think I would never do that.

Well, in my favor, my and she has these two with, but there was a portrait in both frames. I didn't make the connections. So it was a print, basically. And one of them was one of the ugliest women I've ever seen in my life.

And I thought, why would you buy that? Do you know who it was? Well, don't say it in public, because I just called it one of the ugliest women. She's dead. It's okay.

It's a family. It's the Mona Lisa. Oh. That's kind of a thing. Who is that?

Exactly. What? What's that? Why would you buy a picture of somebody else? She's like, oh my goodness.

What a heart of Mona. He didn't want to hurt Mona Lisa. It's the only one. It's the print. It wasn't the actual painting.

Oh, Mona Lisa. No. Well, let me tell you what happened at our house. The Jo does the same thing so she threw out, and so she started collecting these prints. Same thing, like what you described, a different people, and a lot of them, they're

just like, and every one of them, the person has a pipe. That's like their hurt. I guess that's the thread that goes through all of these. So she finds an old print with a cool frame, and there's a pipe involved, then she gets it.

And so she bought this one and put it up in a certain part of our house. I didn't see it for months, and my friend was like, oh man, I didn't even notice it.

“And then my buddy's like, Zach, why do you have a picture of Carl Marx up in your house?”

Oh, I was like, what? I don't have a picture of Carl Marx in my house, and they say, yeah, you do. And they point to the picture, and I'm like, Jo has bought a picture of a sketch of Carl Marx with a pipe and puts it up in her house. And I'm like, Jo, what did you, Jo just like, I just like the picture, I'm like, it's

Carl Marx, you know, and so we had a Marxist sketch in our home for, I don't know how many months and who knows who saw that and probably thinks about Marxism and Louis, the first. If you're wondering what this statute of limitations is on Carl and a woman ugly, Lisa Gerardini, who is the person that this, the actual Mona Lisa, was there with that was painted five hundred and twenty five years ago?

Yeah, I guess it's a statute of limitations. I guess it's a good kid, kids, kids, kids. They're probably not listening to this, but I guess, yeah. Hey guys, I want to tell you guys about something that's really cool for doing with our Hillsdale Friday episodes.

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So, here's what I'm doing though, it was actually a mirror, and in the top portion

old antique frames, because at log town in our bridal suite, I'm making what I'm calling

a wedding wall, which is the wedding portraits, starting with me in Jace and going to our parents and grandparents and then down, because we have two children now that have been married. So, I have a picture of Granny and Paul, which is Phil's parents. It's not their wedding picture, but it's no one's ever seen their wedding picture, but it's a picture.

It's a picture. I don't know if they were cousins, so maybe not. Speaking of wonder now, we all got here. Melissa, Melissa can get a lot about that, it's that sister, but it's a really like they're older, but they're laughing together.

It's an awesome picture of him. I think another one. And so, if I don't have the actual wedding bed, I just want a really good, fun, relaxed picture of them.

“So that's what I'm making in log town, so I can't wait to kind of finish that project.”

So, yeah. I agree with you.

I have some in the love legacy down.

I'm trying. It's worth it. It's worth it. Come from great. I don't have any presentation.

Paul, I didn't know there were any in existence. There are a few. I'll send to Austin to tea with the one I have. It's great. We found a few for the show, but for my birthday or Christmas, you'll get me a commission

someone to sketch, a portrait of my, I don't know how many layers back, but like great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather on the dash or side. His name was Herman Christian Dacher, and he, so we grew up, if you've listed the podcast, we grew up in what's called the Restoration Movement, the Churches of Christ, which started,

“I think in the 1800s, maybe there's a kind of Campbell and Stone.”

Yes, we're in front of the civil war. Yes, so there was another guy, Herman Christian Dacher, who was, I'm related to, and he joined up with them in the early days, and he was a church planner, this whole thing, and I was reading up on him, I was like, how cool is this that this is kind of like, and our family history, they actually moved from Salzburg, Austria to Georgia, Abanese, or Georgia back

in the like 1700s, this whole thing. So she finds a picture of this guy, has this, someone sketch it, and then puts it in a really cool frame, and so I'm going to put it in my office at some point, but that was, that was a pretty cool gift there. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I love it. I love it. I can preserve more because even, I asked ANN, or Lisa did for me, a picture of K, and

her parents, like, do you have a wedding picture, or any picture, and ANN said, I'm never

seen one. Oh, wow. And I thought, how sad that that is to not have a picture of your parents, you know, and he, you know, he died when K was 14. So there's a lot of time that was missed, but not one picture of your parents, like,

laughing, or hugging, or kissing, or getting married, or, you know, I don't want that to happen. I don't want that to happen.

“And I just want to, like, preserve some of that stuff, and I think log town will”

be a great place to do that. So. But you're right. And I talked about this a lot, and now that we're in the digital era where there's so much video, and so much made of our families and things where it would to do and

preserve, it is shockingly, you know, it's just wasn't that long ago when that was just not the case. And so you do have that. And I was, I was thinking about it with the, when I talk about dad, because there's so much content out there with dad on the internet, on all of our shows we've done,

all this stuff. But his great grandfather, you know, there's one picture. I got one picture in two stories from Granny about him, Judge Steph the Robertson. She told me how he died, and there's a picture of him. And he looks a lot like dad, because he had the beers, got the Roman nose.

But he lived, you know, 1850, lived a hundred years prior, and, you know, it was really interesting, because that's all I know about him, and probably ever will know. And this was someone, I guess he was my great, great grandfather, but you're right. It's sad to not know it to have some semblance of your roots and who you are. And, you know, how far back you go.

And if you don't preserve it, people will just forget, you know, they just, well, some people don't want to know, look, on the way to this podcast, a guy's zoomed by me in a motorcycle. And so I looked, and he stopped at a red light. He had a bunny.

He was dressed as a bunny, and look, when he stopped at the red light, he started bouncing on the motorcycle. And I couldn't help it look. I got my camera out and took a picture of him. Oh, wow.

I mean, that's not a Easter yet, by the time this airs are to be Easter, but we're like,

maybe, actually, we don't use the name Easter anymore. That's it. That's it.

“I mean, the process of trademarking all entities with that, because I think that's going”

to be about the website, I think it's going to be big, guys. And I just want y'all to know, it's having memories of when my dad brought in the duck call. And I think we should change it. And I want to preach about it, on Easter Sunday, eager Sunday, it's going to happen.

I think I'm going to speak about it. I'm going to speak about it. I'm going to speak about it. Maybe I'll tell you, I'm preaching on, uh, I'm actually preaching that our church on Easter.

I mean, look, I didn't even notice. I got it from Romans eight and nine, but then when he gets to 23, he says not only the whole creation, but we eagerly await the redemption of our bodies. We're talking about the sons of God being revealed. And we're, come on, some spring goddess from the pagan world, he's paid some eggs.

I never knew anything about that.

We need to call that Jesus rabbit holes that pays off, and look, it was a rabbit hole. Get it, buddy. He got it on it. Now I've got to follow me around with a bike dressed up as a bunny. It's just a sign.

“I think that last year, it's a sign that it's Easter.”

Well, I didn't. We finished my thought, though. If this guy has kids, what are they thinking? My dad's driving, right? I don't know if they want to preserve that legacy, but maybe so.

It's definitely not something you see every day. I don't think he has kids. I think that's kind of guy when he comes near your kids, you say, run. Well, it's kind of like what you're saying. Like some people, you don't really want to preserve your legacy, even if you're not consciously

thinking that subconsciously thinking about that, because I had a young mom talk to me this week. And she said she was in my home, she does some things in my home. So she's familiar with my home, and she's so encouraging. She sends me texts all the time, like she sent me one thing that she saw the mustard seed

in our bedroom, and what an encouragement that is. We got that from Timmy Tibo's event. He gave us that one time when we were there. And I have it sitting next to our wedding portrait, and the candle that was at our wedding, that we used at our wedding, 35 years ago, 35 and a half years ago, and she mentioned

to me one time, what an encouragement that was to her, because of our marriage and how she feels God in our home. She feels the spirit of God in our home. And I thought, we're making in a difference to someone who's outside of our family, that just happens to be inside of our family from the faith of a mustard seed to what we've built

our family on now, which is that faith, but it can be so small, you know, to have your family in this legacy that we do want to extend far beyond us.

“And she told me this week, sometimes I think I want to, when I need some advice about my”

children, I want to calm my mom, but my mom, I don't want my mom's advice. Mom wasn't a great mom, and I told her, you are welcome to text me, or call me, and she looked at me, and she said, "Really?" And I'm like, of course, I may not know the exact right answer, but I've raised my children, and they're all pretty great, you know, we'll say, so if you have any questions I can

give you my advice, you can take it or leave it, but I'll be happy to do that. And it was like, I tell Jason, it's so crazy to think that these young moms do not have people in their life because I did, and I thought that was normal. And what's normal now is you're on your own, and Facebook and Instagram and all of these TikToks, this is where they're getting their advice, and it can be very scary.

So a legacy maybe is not just for your own family, but helping others as well. You're right, and makes a difference for people. And the momentos that you mentioned or things, you can help you remember, at least

when I went to Alaska a few years ago, first time we went, actually, and we visited, there's

a guy that had supported one kingdom for many years, and he's a famous artist up there, and right near Homer, and he has a gallery, and so we went into the gallery and Brandon Johnio were with us, and we went to see him, we were doing some other stuff there, but we actually went to visit him, just thanking for being a supporter. And so at this point, he was like in his late 80s, he's passed now, he passed last year

in one eye, but he was still painting, like he still had a studio, he did about 10 paintings that year, he had to have it so bright and hot, and it gets hot in there to see what little bit he was doing.

“So that's what he was doing, we were there, but we were just looking at the gallery and”

it was amazing, it was like some people see it in the orchestra, it was beautiful, northern

lights, and mountain McKinley, and all these beautiful, like Alaskan landscape stuff, and we found this one, it just looked like it didn't belong, because he named them all, it'd be like morning in the meadow, you know, stuff like you would name pictures or paintings, and this one was called through the fires of pain, and it just looked like almost like if Alaskan had been a hellscape or like in hell, because it looked like everything was

on fire, and then there was like, even had a little person in the thing, and so I was looking at, I thought, man, I was reading about it, so I asked him, I said, no, what about this, the fire is a pain, nothing else looks like that in here, and he said, that was a particularly tough period we went through while we were here, and it's just a reminder to me that

“you have to stay true, you know, why you came, because you know, they came to Alaskan”

59, I mean, before it was even a state, and so that was, that was one of the prints, we were, I told Lisa, we were going to buy a couple of prints, just to support what he was doing, and we bought that one, and we hung it in our bedroom, the most intimate place for us, because it was a reminder of what we had gone through, you know, to put our marriage back together and to make it work, and so it's not there anymore, but I have it just

now, I have it in storage unit, but every time I see it or see a picture, if we talk

about the marriage refresh, I always say, you need those reminders, both good and bad,

to allow you to see where God has brought you to, and so I love that, that's the idea about the mushrooms, he's so small, and in the moment he was talking to me, he was like, look, if you could just, you could just muster a little, you'll be amazed at what I can bless you with, but we need things like that, and we need reminders, you know, I had in the different years, I went church on this office day, and my two buddies, no show being saw,

that's there by myself, so I only went through four hours, but I found this hot spot in the middle of a field that I've hunted many times, and I'm finding all this stuff, but everything looked like it had been burned, and didn't look like it had been, the latest thing I found was a 1909 quarter, so it was all before that, and it's just stuff, I mean, I was just finding all this stuff, and it kind of hit me after I thought, all these

people are gone, and I'm out here in the middle of nowhere, and that was a fire, I mean, good and have been good, the place burned down, and I found a lot of valuable stuff, and I was like, I'm sure this was traumatic, and the more I thought about it, the more I was like, having to come to Jesus' meeting, you know, I was like, this is what happens, you're only here for a short time, you make the most of it, and someday people have just forgotten,

and there's nothing around here, but you know, crops, and all their stuff, which just

burned up and got teeled over the ground for a hundred years, it was exactly the first time

I went to Munich, Germany, and we're driving out, you know, and it was pretty flat, we hadn't gotten up to the Bavarian part where the mountains are, and there was these two big huge mountains, I mean, hills, but they were huge, and I was like, well, it seems weird for this right here, and God, driving our car, I said, yeah, that was the rubble from all war, too. It's so big from the bombings that it looked like two mountains, but by now the

grass had grown over it, but just like someplace you'd go, and I just had the same thing, I had that mama's like, just imagine being here in the early 40s when that was going on, and yet now it's just too silent, hills, covered in grass, and all of that memories go, which as you were coming in the last podcast about what maybe thing about the fires of pain, because we think about fire in terms of judgment, but there's a lot of the Bible about the

refining nature of fire. Sometimes it's bad, but sometimes it's helpful, you know, when you go the same, you learn. Luke 12, you know, Jesus makes this statement about, you know, I didn't come to bring peace, but the sword, and he's like, there's a fire, and I wish it was already

“candle, and most people only talk about judgment there, which I believe, and I'm not ashamed to say it,”

that that is a reaction of God's love, because it's his righteousness is involved in that, and it's kind of like where you're kids. Everything's great, right? When they're born, because they don't understand the English language, and they're just sweet. I mean, even the things that they do that are annoying, like poop and all that, you know. I mean, everything is just like, oh, it's first poo, you know, no, it's sudden. Let's all gather around and sing a song. Yeah,

because you're mad, because they're not, you're trying to train them up, and that's what I just

“really think that that comes from God. Yeah. But, you know, there's, there's, there is a punishment”

that fires involved, and me hails real and all that, but then you have moments like with the Shadrat, Meishak and Abendigo. Now here, they're fixed to be punished from a worldly fire. If you don't bow down and, you know, worship us, and forget your God, we'll put you in that furnace. Yeah. And that's the famous mercy me song where it came from, even if. Yeah. We're not going to, we're not going to turn it back, so in God. And then what happened? Well, who's, there's three

of them that go on the forest, and then somebody else shows up, wonder who that is, in a fire. So, I mean, it does have different ways of expressing itself, and there's a passage in Peter that

“says, I think it's first Peter four that says that these fiery trials that you go through,”

and I think that's just the way God uses us in these situations to show it may not be peaceful. There may be suffering. There people are going to make mistakes in all our relationships, but there's something about walking with God in the fires. And well, that is, we were talking in our ancient Christianity, Hillsdale course that we're doing the other podcast with Christian and John Luke. We've been reading about second and third century martyrs, and a lot of them

“were burned to death. And I mean, you're just reading alone. They're like, the guys like,”

if you curse Christ, you can walk out of here, and he was like, I'll never curse Christ. And then

they just sat him on fire and burned him up. Yeah. But what happened was that became the greatest witness to the truth of the gospel. Who would do that if it wasn't true? And that became one of the greatest witnesses was these people that were consistently given their lives over their faith. Yeah, I'll read this in 1 Peter 1. It says, these trials have come so that your faith, this is 1 Peter 1, 7. Of greater worth and go, which perishes even though reform by fire may be

proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ has revealed. Though you've not seen him, you're loving. And even though you do not see him now, you believe in him in our field with an inexpressible and glorious joy. Now that's good. And that's a good way to end. Missy, we had a long week of podcast recording. You have come in and literally let your hair down. I'll let your hair down, Fridays. It's a week.

We thank you for that. Always a pleasure, everyone. So, all right, we'll see you next time.

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