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When I was a kid in either fourth or fifth grade, he's had to make, and this is a horrible assignment to give a child, a paper mache. Terrible already. Two-scale solar system. Wait, so you have, like, which as you know, is f***ing absurd. That's a big one, so kids,

and I. You're like a marvel in a football. Yes, yes, so my son, my son, was like this big,

and Pluto was still like 20 feet away, and I had everything connected with like dowels and strings, and like I don't remember. I gotta ask my parents about this, because I remember this project.

“What you should have done is brought in the side, and be like the rest is at home.”

We're at the lungs. Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of The Waveform podcast. We're host. I'm Markets. I'm Andrew. I'm David. This week, it's still tarch. Believe it or not. I thought it was real. It is still tech march, and thus we have lots of things to talk about. We have dub dub dates getting in now, so we have IG DMs, we have US governance banning routers,

lots of acronyms, also some new flighty updates, one of my favorite apps of all time. Ads and Apple Maps, no more Sora, and many other little things. So it's just jump from many things this week. It's crazy. It's a lot of small things. Yeah, a lot of four bullet points. A lot line pretty much. But we can at least vamp, you know, that's what we're good at. Bullshit. We app. We appers. Yes. Adam's ready to app and did we even did they even test it? Oh, nice. Good segue.

You caught me off guard. Yeah. Did they even test this? You might have caught it on the studio channel. If you follow them, they did a short about it yesterday, Eric and Rich. But I was annoyed because me and Rich were transferring files yesterday, and I gave him a hard drive. And then as he's going to give it back to me, he right clicks it, and he looks for unmount. But it's right next to E-Race like format. Who decided that? Yeah. And he race should be right next to you.

He's like, even worse, they both start with a capital E. So it's just right there. Like, if you're

“not paying attention. Yeah. And I think I've done that. I've never noticed. But a race does give you an”

additional prompt. This is how you're sure. No, yeah. And then I panic. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, but I've definitely hit E-Race accidentally. Doesn't eject give you no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But you wouldn't be surprised if you got a prompt. You just hit yes. And you're like, what did that? Say yes. That. You're, your, your reactions to the enter button are much quicker than reading comprehension. It's true. Yeah. And it's the same on. So it happened on his Mac. And then it was the

same thing on my Samsung phone. It's also like, if you go into the files app and you hit the three dots to eject the hard driver, whatever, it's right next to E-Race. So this is like a standard. Wait, when you connect a drive to your Samsung phone? Yeah. That's hilarious. Then more than one comes in. Who decided this? Is it alphabetical? Hold on. This is crazy. Eject. I guess I don't have a drive attached. Wow. Maybe because they're alphabetical. But nothing else. Wait, I doubt it.

No, that's not because right above it's like, just because it's an action for the next. If I right click anything, it's not an alphabetical order. Oh, because generally that drop down is like folder colors and a bunch of other stuff. So then those two are just like actions that are, yeah, similar, but not ones you want to be similar. It's like engineer brain versus designer brain. You know, like engineer brain would be like, yeah, like those are two things you do to the drive.

I'm going to order them in terms of severity. Whereas a designer would be like at no point did anyone ever choosing between those two options? Like they should be far away. Yeah. E-Race should be at the bottom. If we want a good example of a designer brain that may not have noticed something

essentially what our design team has thought up of, which I think is really interesting,

is the eye dropper tool from like Photoshop or any design program, except that we have cut it out. So there is a, it's not clear. It's just a straight cutout in the eye dropper end in the circle that it's selecting. So no matter what you put it on, it looks like you're selecting the color. A lot of people got very confused at this. Somebody posted on our subreddit, our unofficial subreddit. They're like, I'm confused. How did they get the colors to match exactly? Well,

the thing they put it on and it's because there's a cutout and it's clear and you can see through it.

“That's what I was saying. Like our designer somebody said in Instagram, is there a red one?”

It's like, yes, there is any color you could ever think of, whatever object is. Using the object underneath it. Yeah. Yeah. None of us ever thought that would happen,

but there are multiple comments on Twitter and Reddit and Instagram. So yes,

whatever color you would like. These are new stickers available. Except, except teal. It doesn't work on teal. It doesn't. Oh, shit. Sorry, Dave. I will say that it works much better on like brighter, more vibrant colors. I put it on my iPhone blue, whatever the blue color is called this year. And it's like, it's, it's not as poppy. You know, when we put on your water bottle, you're like, whoa, it looks like a red sticker. Like a white red sticker. It's pretty cool. Yeah. But on my

dark blue, iPhone, it's not as vibrant. So I would put on your more vibrant. You're using an old version also that has a clear outline, which creates less contrast on. Oh, yeah. We update like, oh, you're right. I'm using an instant. We have an old, all white outline now. So no matter what your color is,

“you should get a big contrast boost because it's, that's a great point. That's a great point.”

So this is a classic of like we've been in the weeds working on this for so long. That when it comes out, we assume everyone knows all of the things, but now you know all the things. Luckily, this is just a sticker. I do configure it. Yeah. Why is it so cool to get the sticker? Like, oh, this is nice. This is good. Yeah. And if you want new things to put the stickers on, there's new software coming out in June from Apple because WWE DC just got announced.

You can put your stickers on your software in the vetiverse. As long as it's not teal, as long as it's not teal. I'm kidding. It's a sticker that's work on teal. Yeah. So here's one of our two bullet point. Thanks actually. There's only one bullet point. But WWEC starts on Monday, June 8th. It is once again on a Monday for some reason. I don't know why they keep doing this. Usually events are on Tuesday so that people can travel and not have to travel over the weekend.

But it is on a Monday. So, you know, we're going to be seeing what's going on there. There's going to be some new Apple intelligence stuff with 27. Hopefully. I was 27. Which brings us to Apple is reportedly testing a standalone Siri app. And we know that Siri is going to be powered by Gemini. And so this feels like it will possibly just kind of be a Gemini wrapper, you know, because Gemini has a dedicated app. And that's how people interact with it.

But you can also interact with it through the phone, through asking, you know, "Hey, G, what's up with this?" You can do things via Gemini. I've thrown a Gemini wrapper. It was just meek mill. Oh, wow. Did you have to go crazy? Not even deep because there's a new one in you. If you saw it, who is meek mill? I know. I'm just on, no, there was a Twitter wrap. Yeah, it's a recent Twitter reference. I mean, like, he feels like we're eating about AI all week.

Sorry, I told him. He's a rapper also, if you'd know that. Hence, I thought she was actually just his birth signer. That's what I was saying. That would be feels when tweeting about claw at all week. It's really good. Yeah, God at this funny. Okay, I need to know now what's his sign? Hold on. It's hard. Yeah. Taurus Bros. Anyway. Anyway. Yeah, so it seems like we're going to get the Siri 2.0 potentially in the iOS 27 release. Despite previously being stated that it

will come out in iOS 26.4 or 26.5, German is reporting that there will be a separate app that looks like I message when you message it. I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, because a lot of this was maybe this is just because of what was the new and open claw, how people were like interacting with through messages. And that was interesting. Like, paradigm of just, I want to chat with my chatbot. Everyone knows I message. Yeah. So an app that's Siri, but it looks like I message

is interesting. It's a concept that Apple can do. I think it's good and weird because it's obviously familiar to iPhone users because it looks like I message. Yeah. But then also like the fact that there's

two apps that look exactly the same, but one is the AI one. I guess you'll never get them confused.

But it feels like maybe it could just be in the messages app. Like, that's why not just a top chat, like a pin chat that's now inside the messages app. Which is what WhatsApp did for a very long time. And I think didn't Google messages do that would Gemini? Or you can chat to Gemini?

“I can chat to Gemini if you want to. Yeah. Yeah. I think that makes a lot of sense.”

It's also being reported that they're testing a lot of new different Siri designs, which is kind of sad because like the current kind of rainbow wavy one that they got going on. But apparently it may come out of the dynamic island. And it will probably be replacing spotlight

the phone can access. And now that Siri is going to have this new LLM built in, it'll be able to understand more context and kind of reach for different types of things. And apps will also be getting an ask with Siri options. So you can get more context about the things that you're currently looking at on your screen. So it really kind of just feels like Apple is following what Google is doing with Gemini. Where Gemini is embedded inside of Android. And it's just kind of part of the OS.

“I think Apple is moving in that direction. Clippy. Clippy. Microsoft that up. Right.”

Years ago ahead of his time. Yeah. Google, we always say Google Glass ahead of its time.

Clippy ahead of its time. Like how it's time. They kill Clippy so hard. We're saying Microsoft ahead of his time in this series isn't even out yet. And we're still giving it more credit. Yeah. That had it. Bring back Clippy. It's all you needed to do. Some people are saying there were rumors that we were going to get a beta drop that included Siri like this week. I would personally prefer if they just waited till June and it was one big like release announcement.

Because it would be more exciting. I think the thing I heard was like updated Gemini queries inside of Apple intelligence. But that the new Siri would be in iOS 27. Because like they have to drop it. I dubbed Apple needs an event. It's been two years. For everything except for AirPods Max 2. And then they, that's where they're going to drop it. Even though it should have been dropped at last

up, though, even though it should have been dropped at the 24. Well, it was dropped at that one.

And they're not actually dropped. Well, announced that dropped at the iPhone. They did drop it. You know, they dropped the. Yeah. I mean, iOS 27 is going to come out officially with the iPhone 27. So that would be like a Septemberish type of time frame. So if they announced what they're going to do with it in seven weeks on my phone. 18. Yeah. Sorry. iPhone 18. Yeah. iOS 27. Yeah. 2027. 20 September. Correct. Yeah. That could possibly be the big drop of like all the new

features and new Siri. Everything comes out at once. And the new phone happens of a couple of other. We've seen rumors of like new features with the iPhone. But we should get some developers stuff in like July, right? Yeah. 27 beta comes out really big. Well, the beta comes out on the day of dubbed up, like it drops that day. Oh, yeah. Silver beta developer beta. But like people usually

aren't allowed to make videos and stuff until fun facts. You're not technically. Okay.

How how in the weeds do I get this? Yeah. We get weedy right now. Well, okay. You are not allowed when you sign the developer agreement to make videos about the developer beta. Yeah. Most people don't read that and don't care. Yeah. But we are in a unique position where we have some working relationship with Apple. And so we try to follow factual rules. And so when the developer beta comes out and everyone makes videos about the developer beta that they're technically not allowed to, but they do it

anyway. Yeah. I wait because I agreed to the developer agreement. And then a month later when the public beta comes out, I make a video on that using my experience from a developer beta on the public beta. The benefit of waveform is we can just report on everybody else's videos and talk about it. However, we want support. That's good. Exactly. That's that. Should we do the other Apple thing and just get it out of the way or what do you think? Yeah. It's an Apple Maps. Yeah. Okay. Apple is going to

allow businesses to buy ads in Apple Maps. And I can already hear people being like, wow, Apple Maps is sucking that which I still don't like it to be clear. I still like Google Maps a lot more. Google Maps. You probably don't know this. But it has had ads for an extremely long period of time. Google products with ads. It's their main, are you sure? Their main money maker? That's crazy. Yeah. No, I mean, if you go on Google Maps right now, you'll just see Duncan donuts around you

“without trying to search for it. It's so weird. I was that in maybe that's in ways. I think”

ways when you're also driving. And it's just like, hey, there's a Wendy's right there. It's okay. Cool. Yeah. It's like your friend pointing out the window. Like, hey, yeah. There's a Wendy's right there. So it's going to allow people, well, people that want to sell ads to have suggested places at the top of search results. And this is going to be based on places that are trending and based on your recent searches. And it will not be associated with your Apple account

because all of the data is stored on device. So they're still trying to be hardcore about security about that. And they also say that the places that you go to are not shared with advertisers. Now, that's also what ChadGPT said when they said that they were going to do ads. But we'll have to see if that's true. It's funny about that as Maps is like a very personal app. It's like where you're going in your location all the time. And I do feel like, and this is maybe there's a hot take.

But everyone loves, you know, to talk about, I would rather have privacy than have personalized ads. But when you're in your Maps app, wouldn't you rather have personalized ads than like,

“I never drink coffee. Why am I still getting Starbucks ads everywhere I go?”

I would rather have the personalized ad for the thing that I would actually maybe go to than constantly get things that are not associated with me at all. Yeah, I feel like that. I would actually appreciate that because I might actually go to the

You go to Starbucks a lot for a non coffee drinker?

Yeah. Oh, maybe that's a bad example. But I just want to say I've never seen someone

“go to Starbucks is often and I think people, I just get to come break your thing on the”

pumpkin bread is. Can I warm up for you? Yeah. Yes, you can. I think best item at Starbucks is the thing that has the spinach and the fed a wrap, the spinach fed a wrap. It's a solid breakfast. Yeah, you got a cover for sandwiches. Anyway, my point is Google's going to give me ads based on the way too much that it knows about me. And Apple is going to give me ads based on the knowing nothing about me. Yeah, and I suspect I'll be more annoyed by the ones that are

for the thing that I'd never considered going to. That's kind of the big question that's been asked for the last few years because when Apple dropped the task app not to track feature and then meadow was like, wouldn't you rather that you had more integrated? And it's like, it's kind

of, I don't know, I know a lot of people who buy a lot of things from Instagram ads. So I've never

bought anything from an Instagram ad because I will not let them win. But I know that it can be quite effective for a lot of people. It reminds me of that story of the woman who didn't know she was pregnant, but Amazon did because it was surrogate target target target and I start recommending things. It was targeted. It was also a minor. So I'll be interested in how this pops up is it popping up while you're searching for places? Is that taking over the top of it? Is it just

suggestions when you first open Apple Maps? Is like, you think about places like Yelp that were a place thing and Yelp is just destroyed. Ever since they did all the like you can pay it again, like placed up higher and better reviews or whatever, no one cares about Yelp anymore. Yelp has also famously like kind of exploited people's businesses and called them and be like, we're going to take you off of our recommendations if you don't pay us. That's, yeah, like there

are stories about this. It's crazy. Yeah. Well, we'll see. I mean, it's, I don't even know how many people actually use Apple Maps anymore, but yeah, or not anymore, but I ever did. As long as it's clearly marked as an ad so I can very quickly skip it, then I'm happy. Yeah. So that's the hard part though is like, what if the ad does look really scrumptious? Then it that's successful. I know but how many like, like, when you said, if you see it say ad, I'm usually like hardwired to skip,

but then there's the times where it's like, that does sound really good, but is this actually

good or is this just an ad? Then you got to do a second layer of research of like, let me click

it. Let me look at the review. I'm hungry. I'm just trying to eat. I know. It's usually I'm trying

“to research it. That's why I don't like, that's why nobody wants ads and maps. Like, you just want”

to find the thing, go to the thing, but the ad's going to pop up and be like, hey, what about, you want to go to this other place? Yeah. No, I actually open this app just to go somewhere else. Thanks very much. It's interesting. You don't even go to the maps. It'll be like best food near me and it'll give me like a 4.5 because that restaurant, like paid for it or whatever, and then suggested sponsored result. That's like, ugh. Yeah, Apple is in this weird place where

it's like slowly trying to transition towards other revenue sources because they're scared of the iPhone, making less money over time and all of these things happening and, you know, they can't retain as many people as they want on their other services. So they'll come up again later in this podcast. Oh, it will. Yeah. And well, it will. Well, we'll see how that happens. Mark has what are you more excited about the eight Samsung A series or flighty? Is that a question? Is that a question? Is that a real

question? I'm going to start recording. I was like, I think flighty is like top five Apple all time in St. Take and it's not like a multi, it's not multi platform. It's not like a very broad thing that everyone can use, not everybody flies enough to give it any hoots about flighty. But if you do fly a lot, flighty is go to it and everybody who flies a lot knows that. So it's weirdly in it's tucked away in the corner of like, hey, do you fly a lot? No question about it. This

app is unbelievably useful. That will be a flighty, ad by Monday. It's just back. Anyway, they, uh, no, they just announced another thing. So kind of like, I'm, I'm describing it as like ways for airports. They're calling it airport intelligence and essentially what it does is it allows you, uh, of a broader view of like what's going on with AirBorth in general. So flighty for those who don't know is like a flight tracker app. You putting your flight information, it tells you

“everything you need to know about your flight. As you're about to fly while you're flying,”

as soon as you land, it tells you where your baggage is going to be. If it's delayed, it tells you why it's delayed before the airline usually does. All this stuff, it's super useful. So airport intelligence is like, let's say hypothetically, there's some, something going on with airports in your area. Allegedly. Yeah. Allegedly. This could happen. Maybe. The timing for this release is saying perfect. It's really, it's something. Yeah. Uh, so something weird is going on an airport

in your area and it's affecting like kind of all flights and you're flying tomorrow and you just kind of want to get an idea of like maybe I should go to security check in like two or three hours early, for example. Just a hypothetical. You would be able to look at the airports in your area

users and from, you know, the FAA and everything contributing to one spot kind of like ways and you can get an idea of if the airport in question is affected or not and make your decision accordingly. So again, as someone who flies a lot, another useful feature, I will be happily using this. It is kind of slow right now. I assume because it just launched, but it is full of information

about every airport. I'm always, it's crazy that they launched this before the FAA did, but I think

that's the least surprising thing. I mean, yeah, true. Yeah, there was an interview with the United CEO like a year ago and they're like, they asked him, what is one thing that you wish that you did to like update your tech stack earlier and he said, I wish we bought flighty. Wow, like he specifically said that he was like, they're doing insanely good things and I have made, I think they've made them offers and they said no. Yeah, every time I fly, I get the, my iPhone

has the live activity for the United App and for flighty and I immediately dismissed the United

“one because I just used the flighty one. You should just not allow it to send you notifications.”

Yeah. Well, I also click on it for my boarding pass. That's the one thing I have the United App for, is your boarding pass. Everything else is like, I just get from flighty. Yeah, did they even test this? United boarding pass. If you have multiple people on the reservation

and you are not the first one, if you have like your boarding pass up and ready and then lock

your phone waiting in line and they come up, it resets back to the first one. I've scanned Adam and before on business trips and then we have to figure out which one I did wrong. Yeah, terrible United. Yeah. Should be able to pin your boarding pass. Yeah. Should be allowed to pin that's in flighty. Yeah. Should be able to what? Be able to have your boarding pass in flighty. Oh, woo. Yeah. Why can't we do that? There's probably a reason why we can't do that because they

want you to use their app. Yeah. Yeah. That's probably why. Anyway, so that's that. The other thing

“that you mentioned Andrew is Samsung dropping the new A series of phones. I only put this in here”

because I thought it was just a note and the interesting thing that they all have the same battery size. It's not notes. So yeah. So the Samsung A57 and A37, the A37, the B449, the A57, it'll be 549. So these are like your mid-range fighters. We've seen a lot of phones coming out of this price points. And they look just like the rest of the Samsung S series phones. Like S26s. They look like they have triple cameras, but one of them is a macro camera. You know, they make the appropriate

cuts to reach these price points. But the one thing they did is they both have 5000 mAh batteries, which is the same size as the S26 Ultra. So the $1,200 phone has a 5000 mAh battery and the 450 other phone also has a 5000 mAh battery. So one of those things where you're like really pumped for the cheap phone and really bummed for the expensive one. Pretty much. It's like hard to complain about this because I'm so happy that the mid-range phones are getting that. Yeah. But

you got to take that as a kick in the teeth if you bought the 26 Ultra. Yeah, you can't. I said in my reviews, I don't have to harp on it again, but that is maybe the least ultra ultra phone right now. Yeah, this is the S26 Ultra. Back to the S20. Yeah. Great phone. I told like it is in the review,

“but yeah, as far as the word ultra concerned. Adam, did you purchase another phone?”

Yes, 26 Ultra. Yeah, it lasted. What color was it? It was a different color that I said black. Yeah, the black one. Yeah. I had the like purple. How long do you plan to stay on that? Till the iPhone allegedly folds. Mm. Well, seriously. That's that. I don't think that's going to have I think you're going to change earlier. Definitely. Possibly. I thought you were going to say until my next shipment comes in of whatever I ordered yesterday. Yeah. Well, you could buy that

or you could buy a MacBook Neo. So choose wisely for 1200 bucks. No, but the two, the the the cheap one. Oh, oh, yeah, the cheap A. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, you could buy that or in the as wild speaking of the MacBook Neo. You want to talk about this Windows 11 problem? Yeah, we could do this before breaks. So a recent video on the channel will be live by the time you see this, which is just talking about the Windows laptop problem. This was inspired by the two Mac laptops that I've tested

most recently. The MacBook Neo. They're $5.99/4.99 midrange fighter. And the M5 Max MacBook Pro,

which I've also tested. I was running on my benchmark on it. It had like 18,000 megabyte per second

SSD read and write speeds, which is crazy. It has benchmarked multi core higher than any other Mac ever, including the Mac Pro and M3 Ultra as GPU scores matching M3 Ultra, which is insane. This is a Max chip and a laptop. So I'm actually thinking like this is now a laptop that could actually replace my Mac Pro and be my desktop. I might be that guy at some point. But having all these thoughts also made me think, well, what's going on in Windows land? Like what is

actually the equivalent of, you know, the highest and laptop you could get and could it be the desktop that I choose to use? How good are those laptops? And so that had me digging into like, okay, what's going on with XPS? What's going on with razor blades? What's going on? Also with the Neo competitors, I bought a $550. Acer laptop. We tested that. And essentially a conclusion I came to

high-end for efficiency and performance. And it turns out to also be a huge advantage at the low-end

“for cost. Yeah. And the chair on top is that Apple doesn't actually really need to make a ton of”

money on Neo's on the hardware margin. It's services. Because it is, it's basically, as I said in the

video, like a Trojan Horse for new Apple customers, which then will spend way more on software, on services, on Apple Care, on Apple TV, on Apple Creative Studio, all these other things. So they don't have to make the $100 on the hardware margin, but they will make a ton of money over time on just getting a new person to be a Mac user. This is the entire Chromebook play. It was get people on Google services when they're five years old, so they will use services for the

rest of their life. Yeah. Yeah. So it was interesting to sort of see that in real time and just like put the machines next to each other and be like, oh yeah, they can make just a straight-up better laptop for the same price. And that's going to get people to become first-time people. I mean, a Windows computer has parts from a ton of different companies and every single one of those companies have to make margin. That's literally the main problem.

This advantage of the riff, let's say, let's do that. And that bites, it's similar with Android phones, it's similar with tablets. It's just like when Apple has the full integration through, there's a benefit there, even just like making software on mobile, right? Like we see all the time. If you're making iOS software, you don't have to do it that hard, but if you're making Android software, it has to fit a thousand. Like thousands of thousands of tens of thousands of

“different like form factors, yeah. Phones, resolutions, and that's why Google has been so hardcore”

about just trying to make Android so flexible with screen size and stuff. And that's part of the advantage, right? Is there is a choice like an Android land if I really, really, really, really care about having 8k video? Well, there is no iPhone that can do that. So if I just want to choose a phone that can shoot 8k video, you can find that in Android land. You can find all sorts of other different things you might care about like a folding screen or whatever in Android land. But the

couple of phones that Apple makes are like locked in super tightly integrated and you might not be super used to the way they do things, but they do it the same way every single time. So you kind of just get used to that when you're in that ecosystem. Yeah. And yeah, that's kind of the same thing with Windows. Now, in this sort of latest generation, this is a nuance of it is, yes, you depend on all these different companies who make the parts to your computer to all

make their margin, but also make a good piece. You have to have to make a great Windows laptop, several different companies all executing and firing all cylinders at the same time for your one computer to be good. Yeah. So if you're Dell and you make the XPS, like I showed, you're also depending on Intel to be making a good chip at that time, which they are. And you know, your Dell,

“you have to make a good computer with a good screen and a good keyboard and all that stuff,”

which they are. And you need Windows to be good. I'm fine with Windows. Yeah. So Windows 11 is kind of a weird place because not everybody is loving Windows 11. I do not. I haven't used Windows since Windows 10 and I was jumping into Windows 11 again and I set up this XPS. It took me 45 minutes to set it up. The setup is because there were mandatory downloading updates and stuff. Once I got through the updates, it was like signing into this, signing into that. Download Microsoft 365. Do

you want to use copilot? Do you want recall on? Do you want all these other things? And I was like,

no, no, no, no. No, all this stuff it was asking me. And then I finally got into my clean install of

Windows. And then I got a pop-up from Macafi to be installed. And this is, this is the other thing. The only other way that these manufacturers that make the laptops can make the laptops cheap enough to even be competitive at all is that they have to put a bunch of blotware on it. They have to get more. Yeah. I mean, we see some Android phones too. Like the Android phones that come with Facebook installed and come with Instagram installed. They don't do that out of the kindness of their heart.

They do that because meta pays them to do that. So yeah, it's just, it's not a good situation for anybody else. Yeah. And Microsoft really, they try to do the vertical integration with the surface. But I just, they're such a B to B company that it's such an afterthought for them. We saw this with the Pixel for a very long time. Then the Nexus program, the Pixel, no, tensor, Google didn't really care about the Pixel. And they still don't really get, they're trying to

care more. And the pixels are really good now. They're really, really good now. But it still doesn't have quite the level of vertical integration that they would like. And even if they achieved it, they're in this weird spot where they make Android for everyone else. Yeah. So they're competing against all of that. Yeah, while also providing them with the OS. So this happens in in Google land because they make the Pixel and tensor and they're all vertically integrated. And they'll give the

Pixel exclusive Android features and other competing against every other Android phone. Same thing happening with Windows and Microsoft and Surface and making this beautifully ideally, very vertically integrated thing. Now you're competing against all the other oh, yeah, I'm trying to make a good

Windows machines. And maybe that's like a lead by example type thing. But it just, it never went well.

make Android a popular OS to compete with iOS. And so they have to eventually give a lot of these

“features to the broader Android ecosystem. And that's why Google does this awkward thing where they”

have Pixel exclusive features for like two months. And then they goes to every other Android phone because they need other people to want to use Android in general. And it's also why they had that weird bromance with Samsung for such a long time. Yeah. I was so jealous. You look like you really want to say something. I know, I've just been fighting a Windows PC all week. And like to be honest, I, it's all tinfoil hat stuff. Like, because it's a Windows PC that on paper

has a really good graphics card and a really good product, or you know, good enough graphics card and a good enough processor. But like, and we didn't build this PC and it, it sort of is the

things that, you know, you, I think you've been talking about Markets. Like, like, it's for a video

we're working on that involves this like peripheral device that connects via USB 3.0. And it keeps crashing all the time. And I couldn't figure out why I kept crashing. And my working theory right now

“and I haven't like tested this. So again, if tinfoil hat is that the USB 3.0 ports on this computer”

are just not USB 3.0 ports. That's, that's my best guess. Because when you, and the USB 3.2 ports are USB 3.0 ports. And it's like, there's no way the company built this PC, you know, they didn't build the, the ports. They've actually got the, the USB IO box like from motherboard. Yeah, from someone else, but it's like, that it's sort of what you're talking about. It's like, you need all, or like, for some reason, not a single Bluetooth keyboard will connect to this PC. Not one. There's,

there's one Logitech keyboard in the whole office that will connect for 30 seconds and then immediately disconnect and the rest of it. And it's not like, I haven't tried all 100 Bluetooth keyboards that are in the office. Where could those? Yeah. And this is all ringing very true. It also shaped like a shoe. Well, I was trying not to say because I didn't, I don't know if that any of these problems I don't want to out. There's a chance, like, that computer doesn't get used very often.

There might be some driver updates that are in there that we haven't like dug that deep into, where like it was dormant for a while. So totally. And I don't know. Some are probably that, but some are also like, it should be easy to figure out what those problems. Yeah. I don't want to, I don't want to accuse anyone of counterfeit USB ports. But I genuinely cannot, I'm at the point now where I'm like, why, why does the USB 3.0 cable not get USB 3.0 speeds until it's in the 3.2 port?

Why does the 3.0 port not give 3.0 speeds? Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah. Sorry, I was looking

into the eyes of your head for a second. Yeah, I'd probably address this. This is Franklin. The

mascot of the Philadelphia 76ers. Thank you to fan Michael for the sick hat. I'm going to wear this one. Why do they have a cat as the mask? It's a dog. That's Franklin. That is a cat a thousand percent. Isn't Franklin a turtle? His whiskers. Franklin is Benjamin Franklin, the founding father. That's half of the things in Philadelphia. And he's a dog? Right, Benjamin Franklin was, in fact, when number presidency, he was president number six. And he, when he signed the

declarative attendance, it was a paw print. You got that dog and I'm caprint. To bring it back,

“I think the best way. I don't notice that. I feel like the best way, if you really want an”

example of the difference between like the vertical integration and apple and the vertical integration and Android windows, go on our apple and go on our Android and watch everyone in apple is just generally mad at the same thing where everyone in Android is mad at each other because even though they're all using Android, they're all fans of different companies of phones. And they all hate each other. It is just the wildest infighting ever. And like now imagine all of those different

people need to work together and build some energy. And to be fair, I'm a full Android and Windows user at home, by the way, I only use apple stuff. Yeah, I like Android better than iOS by far. And there's a great piece by David Pierce. He tried to use Android for like the last four months and he used a bunch of different phones. And he really liked the fair phone six, but it doesn't work on Verizon. So you couldn't do it. But he went back to iOS because his conclusion was effectively

phones are at machines. And iOS has better apps. And he relies on too many iOS apps to go back to Android, which sucks because Android is a way better OS. Well, I want to play doubles advocate because as someone who's like fully apple, you know, ecosystemed up, there are a lot of these like vertically integrated things in the apple world that are like not supported to the degree they should be. Like free form has like six updates that they just need to add. Like there's just no excuse

why free form doesn't have these things. But I just don't think they care enough about free form. Yeah. To do it. I don't think they don't do it. And there's a bite or like why does the apple male app still kind of blow? Or like yeah. So you know what I mean? It's even when you're just

why change. Why update it. Yeah, but like why is it so hard to rotate something on the desktop version of free form? And why is it so hard to select multiple objects on the mobile version of free form? I would like to see like user base for free form. It's me. Yeah. It's my just, that's one of the year's average. Apple years, there's definitely some people who are able to screenshot and you in the cash hat right now. Like average apple use. There's also it's kind of like either that

or the massive graveyard of stuff that Google tries and then just kills a year later. So it's like what I rather have the kind of weakest updates but at least it works the same way every time on one side of the fence or like Google launching an app and me going, I don't think I want to switch to this because I don't trust them to even keep this alive for a year. Rip it in box, bro. Yeah, true. So yeah, there's choice on one side but there's the upside and downside of that twist. Also,

there's at least six free form users because there are several things that I force my friends to do on free form with. So there are my plans and vacations. Free form is excellent for that. This whole conversation is also negating people who have like very specific needs that software wise or like needs to be on a Windows machine used to be on Android. Yeah, I was like we're talking outside of that because clearly that we have one option. Almost every business

“distributes Windows computers. I think it's a big part of the equation for like why they are”

where they are. Especially because you talk about like David having like he'd come from an iPhone so he's already plugged in and he used a lot of iPhone only apps. Yeah. There's a lot of people who play a certain game that you can't play on Mac or there are people who use certain softwares for their business that are just only Windows XP like that. That's a real thing where okay now Windows XP has a massive market here because that's still stable and that's the thing

that we use where our apps are. So like if your dependencies are you're plugged into one specific thing like I'm a Mac user I'm not because I switched to Final Cut Pro. Yeah, that is why I started using a Mac. Yeah. And now here we are a decade later and I'm in the ecosystem and they got me. Yeah. That's that's the point of Neo. That's the point of like all these other you know, feelers is to just get a device in front of you that gives you options and hopefully like one of

those things and then you are sucked into that ecosystem. Yeah. I mean, I was the lead reviewer Android authority for five years. I didn't use an iPhone until the iPhone 13 when I reviewed it.

And I didn't switch to an iPhone until the iPhone 15 because that USB-C. I would have never touched

an Apple device and all of my dependencies were in Android. Like I could use my world. People were nobody texted because when I lived in the Bay Area, everyone used Facebook Messenger. But then I moved here and now I swear I am in so many eye message group chats that every time I test an Android phone, they bully the **** that. Now look at you. What have they done to our lab? I know. And I know that you say that's not a real problem. But bullying is real. Okay, I don't like crying. Do you like crying?

“It sucks. You should have we should get on group me. Oh my god. On facts. Oh my god. Worst”

app of all time. First messaging app of the MKB HD business. Yeah. When Brandon and Vin started. This is a group. Well, because Mark has and I were in a group me for our both of our

ultimate groups. First BT, I've played for for 15 years until like last year, it was a group me.

That's unbelievable. That was the most like a feature, not an app app of all time. It's all and it's genuinely, I was like my flight, being one of the five best. Group me is one of the five worst apps of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to make one final note related to this and then we can take it to break on the Windows 11 thing. Dave 2D put out a really good video recently about this. And the kind of the gist of this was that a number of years ago, like five

or six years ago, he had all of the Windows manufacturers sent him laptops that were in the same price range as the Apple M1 air I believe. So he could compare them. And all these manufacturers like Sherry, like here's our laptop that's that price. And then he asked all the same manufacturers this year to send him laptops that were in the same price range. And they were like, no. And I feel like that kind of distills the entire thing. That's all you really need to know.

Because they're all afraid. They knew the video he was going to make. It was going to make it look negative. Yeah. It was going to make it look terrible. They didn't really know at the time how insane and one was, but they still feel five to six years behind at this point. So it's it's crazy. Yeah. So go watch the video. If you haven't already. I want to say something nice about Windows.

Go for it. Because everyone always tells me I'm too mean to my Windows green bubble people.

I know those are two-seven Windows. To me, you're the same. But yeah, it's fair. Something nice about Windows. I like that they support old graphics engines. I like that I can still

“get a direct extriver that runs on the modern Windows motherboard. I think that's cool. Apple does”

not do that. That's pretty pre-metal stuff. Very hard to run on macOS. Direct deck stuff. Very

old Apple graphics engine actually rocks and fire. Yes. He jobs was super against it. Yeah. And then when Johnny Ive came in and he said aluminum and they knew it had to be metal. That's a great place to jump to drift. What was the old graphics driver of Apple, for example. Today we're doing a number question and it's delta, not prices right rules. Is it united? No, it's delta. We'll talk about united later.

“Yeah, we will. Will we? Yes. I thought I think we lost our chance to talk about united. Oh, yeah.”

Also, they don't have to talk about it. That's really cool, but they're like the seventh airline to do that. So I was sort of like why are we freaking out about this skycap? It's called it's mingling beds in in regular class. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I thought that was like a super, super

premium crazy. No, no, both other airlines just call it. The first one that did it. Yeah. Okay,

united was like, you know, it was like guys. I promised you to get a whole row. Yeah. And then we'll like, we'll like, we'll, you can turn it into a bed and mingrelax roe relax roe relax roe relax. Oh, other airlines call it sky couch. I think just shed blue does this too. A bunch of the European airlines do it. This is not like a new groundbreaking thing. This is like a united catching up sort of thing. Well, I pretended it was anyway. Well, of course, it's a business. But anyway, today's

“trivia question is delta. How many Wikipedia pages have the title Apple TV?”

I'm assuming it counts if it's like Apple TV parentheses. Yeah. Yeah. It's and and I'm only accepting Apple space TV. By the way, those that exact set of was at nine characters in a space. What about like, would Apple TV plus count? Seven characters in a space. Isn't it just have to be Apple? It's a PPLE space TV and then something in parentheses. Oh, how many Wikipedia pages have that exact title? Damn. Cool. Delta pretty good. Let me do a quick shout out. Yeah. Sure.

So one of our subreddit watched Waveform at a planetarium. Yeah. I don't want to know what that sounded like. It was probably like Abiza's. Do you have it? No, I'm perfect. I was probably the opposite. When I worked at Liberty Science in the Planetarium was sick and it was also, it sounded really good. I don't remember why I remember it sounded really good. But the videos that they played, because everything's like, you're looking up everywhere. Yeah. And you're speakers everywhere.

Your visual field is making that sound better. Yeah. At least my memory of it was at a sound. I, I really hope they played the episode or Andrew says he can't name all the plans. I just wish he stretched it. I wish there was a stretch to fit somehow because seeing a lot of our giant faces circular like over time. That is what it felt like to watch Project Hell Mary in the

front row in 70 million. Oh man. I've seen the clips of like Oppenheimer from the front row.

I was like Crimson Shave. I watched Oppenheimer from Furrow and I watched Project Hell Mary from the front row. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Shout out to that person on our subreddit. Yeah. Sorry. We'll think about the trivia question. Answer at the end. Like usual. We'll write back. Yeah. Don't, I don't think I can name all the plans. Still pissed. Support for the show comes from Monarch. Part of believe it's already spring. That's mostly a good

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no preparation of the opposition actually inside Iran. No coordination, no effort to see what

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telecommunications, just just no coordination at all. And they don't seem prepared for it. How Trump lost the Republican Party's biggest, around Warhawk. Today explained, every weekday and one Saturdays, too. All right, welcome back. There is some news of a product that was killed but not by Google. Big day. It was killed by Open AI. It's called Sora. Thank God. Bring a bell. Anyone? And I want to remember Sora from a couple months ago.

Actually, remember making a video in Sora first came out. We've made two, I think. Yeah, two now at this point of their video generation models. Yeah. Generate models. Generate video. Slop. Yeah. But it would get higher and higher quality over time. And I remember the first videos from Sora. You know, they were, you know, will Smith eating spaghetti but like higher fidelity than before. And it got better and better and it cost more and more and more.

“And then Open AI was like, this cost too much. Yeah. And I'm glad they made that realization.”

Because I mean, there's other video generation models out there, but Sora was like the big one that everybody knows about from Open AI. And then maybe decision to kill the Sora app. And I assume the entire AI Slop generator from top to bottom. Yeah. Is now gone. They'll probably turn those GPUs towards something else that we're very excited about. Maybe. But yeah. No more Sora. Yeah. Big day to dance on Grave.

I'm dancing boy. Yeah. What's the meme of like, is he giving the peace sign or the Oh, yeah. I'm like, where he's like really great. Yeah. Yeah. Sora was bad. The funny thing about this that we reported on when it happened was that Disney had made a $1 billion investment deal with Open AI about Sora. Yeah. And Disney said we are going to invest a billion dollars in Open AI over Xperia of time. And Sora is going to be in the Disney plus app with AI generated versions

of our characters that you can just sort of scroll through on the Disney plus app as a sort of like

little Disney TikTok feature. This never launched and reportedly the Sora engineers didn't even

really know that Sora was getting killed. They even put out a guidelines as to like their safety standards about Sora the day before they announced that they were killing it. Which is very funny. And now that $1 billion deal is not happening. So Open AI can't find money and now they really can't find money. I guess a billion dollars like pocket change for them. I mean, I guess how much money were they burning in the process of billions? Yeah, probably more than that. And also one thing you

should know is that pretty much every Open AI deal is not real money. It's like the idea of money. Nothing ever really happens. Everyone's like Nvidia's like we're investing one trillion in Open AI and they're like, what does that mean? And then they just sort of do jazz hands and walk away.

“You know, none of these circular deals have aren't flating the stock market and that's why”

you're seeing a lot of red because a lot of them are like promises to invest over time. Yeah. That's

what the Disney one was. It was $1 billion investments over a period of time and it didn't even

start. Yeah, no money had changed. No money had changed hands. Huge win. So it's not happening. Yeah. David, I'm going to give you $1 billion over the next three years. I hope my stock goes up. S like Yeah, so another funny thing about this is that meta had purchased had acqua hired a guy to leave the super intelligence lab and the first product that they launched was an AI Slap Generator video generator that was supposed to compete with Sora. It was is horrible and I think they shut it

down too. Hopefully. But this is good for everybody. Like we don't need more AI Slap. If you're ever on Twitter, there's a lot of fruits cheating on each other on there. I don't know if you've seen this fruits. Yeah, fruits. Yeah. There's some weird stuff. Well, you guys haven't seen this. I'm glad to see you guys. I see mostly because you can do like the remixes with YouTube videos. Everyone's in a while. I'll go to one of our old videos to reference something. I'll just be like

bubble about remix with this video and it's a short of like a pregnant cat. Yeah, that's yeah.

a baby. And it has like your voice up at the back. One of the back of music is always. Yeah, me, yeah, me,

“it's really bad. It's like. I think you're redefined hallucination. Are you? It redefines the”

word Slap. Like really does. It's also, this stuff makes it ton of misinformation out there. For sure. Not just streets. Not just literal harmful videos. Yeah. So I'm glad it's gone. I missed that dance on the grave. Speaking of Instagram, meta doing Slap things. Do you want to break this down? Yeah, I'll try and drink this down really quick. IG DMs are no longer going to be end-end encrypted by May 8th. This is kind of a, I mean, I think everyone knows what end-end

encryption is. You and your the recipient are the only ones who are able to see the message to to a code encryption encryption. Yeah, that has to increase. Yeah. How can private keys? Um, and so like this feels like a really big deal. Headline wise. But like, there's a couple of weird things about this that make me confused. So I'm going to read

“out a couple of the reasons why I think or they've said that they're ending this encryption.”

Okay. And everyone can be the judge and why they think they really are ending it. Um, so they've been, the way they announced this first of all, meta is not like a full post. They updated a 2022 news post about encryption to say that encryption is ending on May 8th. Whoa. Um, so like two months away. And a couple of reasons. One a meta spokesperson said that

which I didn't know about the encryption is opt-in on Instagram, which I never knew about. I'm sure

most people don't know about and they said very, very few people on Instagram use encryption and because it's empty-end because it's not been exactly. Yeah. Poor, uh, a communication. Not even just communication, just poor design. I mean, well, a meta probably doesn't want it to be encrypted because they want all of that. So like, well, yeah, there's a lot of drama going on right now with like the EU and yes, that's like UK. Yeah. So like the next point is, uh, FBI,

Interpol, UK, safety organizations are all urging methods of breaking encryption because of child safety because of how much meta in general and Instagram specifically is essentially harming children in so many different ways, one of them being through DMs and with encryption, if the crack people have the encryption on and makes it really harder to find chat logs or stuff like that. So they they're urging meta to end encryption. Another thing is meta is just not getting rid of encryption.

What's app? They're telling people to just move to WhatsApp if you want encryption. Just use WhatsApp, bro. They literally pull the just use WhatsApp and then the last reason, which I think most of us can agree on is meta's favorite, uh, but maybe the one they don't want to make model is yes. Without encrypted DMs, they have the ability to use those DMs to target with advertisements and train data, train AI data on your messages, which the reason this is all

kind of weird is it seems like most people aren't using it, so they're part doing all of this anyways, but like the actual end to this is probably just saving them money because they don't have to run compute. They're saving them face with like all the other public. It's really nice that they're having other people like government agencies tell them to remove it so they can just be like, well that's the reason we're removing it. Thanks for the training data. Thanks for that,

advertising. Yeah, that's kind of let everybody be the judge of how they want to see the story with encryption, but I think the thing to know here is if you really care about privacy encryption, you don't touch a meta product. Yeah, that's like the easiest thing here is the number one advertising company in the world. Yeah, I think meta realizes that like a lot of the DMs on Instagram they mostly care about you sharing reels and sharing posts and pushing you to other parts of

Instagram just spend more time on and getting gather more data to spend more money. So they don't

“really care about this. What's up is still encrypted if you want to use that, but I personally would just”

stay away from meta products if I really cared about my privacy. Yeah, I mean speaking of which they just announced yesterday as well that they're going to integrate sort of like buy now buttons into reels. Take talk shop has this, or you can be watching a reel or something and then it will

show a little like you can buy this now and it out links to a store first Instagram is going to add that.

So YouTube sure says this already probably like little product shelves. Dude, on Amazon, what is like prime TV prime what do they call it? Yeah, you'll be watching like you'll be watching like fallout or something, right? And then it cuts to an ad and in the ad there will be a purchase on Amazon button that you can just do. It's like holy moly we are because I yeah, I only wanted to watch fallout and I haven't used Amazon Prime TV in like a really long time and it was like wow we're in

one click by now and ship to me immediately button. I mean with it is so crazy. The like you I

“don't know these short from contents. How far are we away from it just feeling like the old”

annotation like scamming where just there's like 20 different boxes up on your screen because we have all these different sets of guidelines for different short form because depending on where you put text or something in a video it's going to get covered by a username and icon the description and like we're now adding shops and stuff. This is already a really small form factor where we're watching there's not a lot of real estate there so adding all of that on is yeah it's crazy.

We're just not even going to watch videos anymore. Okay, they're pushing you to use Instagram on the iPad because all they want you to do on that is watch reals anyways and then you won't miss click because it's a bigger screen. Wow. Very big brain. Got him. Kind of related. The US government has officially banned consumer routers made outside of the United States which by the way, pretty much all of them. Yeah, essentially the only one I could really think of that's not

is Starlink because that's made in Texas. You can set a router. Yes, I guess. But so like it's not what you would think of in the general sense of like a router when you already have an ISP and you're using it as a router in your house. Yeah. So like similar to banning drones made in foreign countries, the FCC is adding consumer grade routers made outside of the US to a covered list and if you're not sure what that is. The covered list is a list that the FCC and Homeland Security

Bureau used to add devices that quote pose an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States or the security and safety of US persons like you just mentioned. We're all pretty familiar with where technology is manufactured. It's not in the US. And like it's not here. Seriously, it's got to be 90 plus percent of routers. I mean, are we outside of the US? I'm just looking up. I'm going one by one to look through all the router companies that they're all like

Taiwan or the US. Yeah, they're all not made here. But even some of them might be stationed or like

headquartered in the US, they're still not manufactured in the US. So like, first of all, if you

already own a router that doesn't meet the criteria, it's going to work fine. But the new ones then coming into the company into the United States will be put on a list where the radios won't be authorized. It just didn't say in like it's so isolationist to say anyone not made in the United. That's that's wild. Like it is it would be more understandable if it was like from specific countries that the government deems to be adversaries or whatever. But the fact that it is not in

the United, it's like, I cannot name a single router company that is based in the United States.

“They probably exist, but they are not mass market. I think TV link is now headquartered in California,”

probably made in Taiwan. Yeah. Yeah, we're Vietnam. Right. I forget exactly where that. A lot of ones I was finding were made in Vietnam, but still that is just straight up foreign country. That is about the US. What does this do for like IP or ISPs? It's exactly what I was thinking. Like what Xfinity. My guess right now is Xfinity of rising by have just a boat load of routers in a warehouse, somewhere that they're the ones sending to you, but like that needs to update it. Well, I also know

that there's sort of a workaround you can do where like all of the parts are basically made

outside of the US and then like there was a thing that some kind of here. Yeah, there's some thing that some companies were doing for a while where it was like all the parts but one were already assembled and then they would ship all the parts in that one part to United States and they would put it in the thing and they'd be like made in the United States. Well, there's like guidelines for made in the USA or assembled in the USA. Like there's things that they need to like more than 60

percent. I like the Trump phone, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Made US. I like it. No, not even on. Also with the Vara, not rising. Xfinity routers and stuff. Does that count? Because this says consumer. Yeah. I'm a consumer. I can so consumer they define as for residential use and installed by the customer and installed by the customer. Okay. Anyway, Xfinity router, you can have just shipped to you.

“And I think that's what I was going to ask. I mean, maybe that's it's a weird thing where the”

way they're companies the one buying them in bulk. So I don't know if this would like apply to them, you know. The fact that they say consumer grade, I think it's less of consumer bought and consumer grade. Again, it's like it's kind of weird that what they're doing is either companies can apply for like an extension to be allowed into the United States if they're proving that they're working on creating a manufacturing aspect in the United States to pass that stupid. Nobody's ever weird that there's

so many times doesn't work or like similar to what DJI does, the company's just not going to release it in the, yes, or for X amount of time until this either stops or just not care.

I've always seen companies like like buy a building like an old manufacturing plant in the US and

then just slap a label. Fox talk. We're going to for sure make stuff here. Yeah, Fox. Okay. You're good. They do a big groundbreaking thing in Arizona and they're like, look at all these jobs. And then just leave them empty. The United States is claiming the routers were directly implicated in the vault flacks and salt typhoons cyber attacks, which were a set of cyber attacks a while. Yeah, but I'm confused because the salt typhoon ones was about Cisco routers.

just if they were Cisco and neck year routers that were designed by US companies,

but the reason they were vulnerable is because the companies stopped providing updates for them. So they were un-updated security risk routers, which has nothing to do with who made them. Yeah. That's to do with who's continuing the software up there. So this is like saying, he's doing the site. Hey, hackers targeted vulnerable things because they're vulnerable and probably shouldn't be used or should have been updated anymore. That's nothing to do with the fact.

I get that there is like foreign countries that maybe were worried about stuff like this, but this feels like a blanket band that is not actually helping anything. Have you handed you government intervention in tech? No. It's, yeah. So the residential thing I'm really confused about because I'm also confused. There is, if the main thing we're trying to protect is like government agencies and government information stuff like maybe government shouldn't

“be using residential, that's what the ban should be. Government should stop using residential”

grade routers and like buildings or the ones made in these certain companies, but like, why do I need to have one? What does that make a difference if I'm using? Or have one US company like make a government grade one? Yeah. Like a, like a, like change one of the routers to be government grade ad features. I think in theory, the reason it matters if you have one Andrew, is that you are sort of inherently plugged into your telecom companies network and like that is who all of these attacks

were against were like, we're getting into telecom companies networks. I don't know quite enough about this whole thing. There's obviously so much more going on than what we're saying here, but it still feels like this wild blanket ban that doesn't really. No, I agree. And also watch, this is, you know, me predicting the future, but watch a Oracle launch. I do like the US-based route. Wait, oh my god, I need to think about that. Yeah. No, no, no, I haven't, this is not a

“thing that's happened. I know, but it will. You know it will. And they'll be called freedom router.”

So God, the cyber attacks were also on like energy, transportation, and water, infrastructure, stuff as well. So it's not just straight up, communicate or just communications, although those were in there. I also, I guess the router was directly implicated. I was like, well, yeah, it was online. It has to go through a router, but it's because those routers were missing their security updates and had vulnerabilities, which is like, yes, if things on the internet have vulnerabilities,

people are going to attack. And they shouldn't, but I really don't know enough about this,

but it's always been my understanding that like, you know, a lot, I'd be part of what routers are

doing, or like assembling these packets that are going out over, you know. And so if they're putting, like, a router with malware on it can put for sure stuff in a packet that can make it pretty deep inside a network. Yeah. That is like the most like middle school or friendly way. I can describe network communications. My Cisco was supposed to prevent this. That's their whole thing. They do B to B. It wasn't him. Was that Cisco? No. What? Is that a rapper, too? Damn it. Damn it.

Damn it. Yeah. That's not the first time you made that mistake. Wait, this confuses me because I feel like if, if a company in the US made routers and those routers were not updated and weren't patched over time, they would also be susceptible to these attacks. Yes. Correct. So what does this do? I don't know. And it's just they're going after the wrong plot. I don't know. I am not just very popular. I imagine it is, it is all a bunch of like bulls to just try to, they're so obsessed

with stimulating American manufacturing, but they don't understand like the amount of work that it requires to actually build an entire business in the US making various things like routers. Like how often do people buy routers? You know, once every five to ten years. It's just,

most people never buy a routers. Yeah, they rent it from their telecom. I just, I don't know.

How do you point David? If you had one million optimists robots, you could make them for free whenever you want it. You know about that? Think about that. How much would an optimist robot

“cost me? It costs, well, 0.24 by other optimists robots. How much will it cost me, though?”

I don't think you're allowed to have one. And how am I going to get my router? I'll just use Starlink. Yeah. So we want to talk about this because it was kind of hot news in the journalism world this week. I think you guys probably know Grammarly, and there was also an app called Superhuman. And then Grammarly bought Superhuman. And now Grammarly is Superhuman, and Grammarly is a product of Superhuman. That's your breakdown confusing it all. Not confusing all.

Multiple months ago, but only discovered fairly recently, people discovered this feature within Grammarly. That effectively gives you advice based on various different writers that are well-known in the writing world, or the tech writing world, or things like that. So if you were writing in article, or you were writing, I don't know anything you're writing, you could say like, "Hey, what would NiLi Patel think about this writing that I'm doing?" Yes. What are you serious?

a question about writing an article, and it would say like, "Oh, it was called expert review,

“and something would come up as an expert is here to give you an example." And that example would”

pop up as like, I can't believe I'm saying this, I love it. It said NiLi Patel, and with a verified checkmark like Twitter, which is sitting there for you. No reason. And then it would say like, not verify. It would give some piece of advice. And then to their credit, it would say like, this is inspired by Vergecast hosts and Verge editor-in-chief NiLi Patel. Because of

blah, blah, blah, have a source button, and then, first of all, no one's going to click that source button.

That doesn't count. Yeah. So yeah, that's a verified checkmark NiLi Patel would pop up and say, okay, not just him, a bunch of other dreams. And it would also do line edits too. Like, if you had, it would like, make suggestions based on your writing. And they were like, "Oh, yeah, we pulled specific like pieces of work from various different journalists, and then we put it in this AI model, and now it can make suggestions. And it's like, that's just not how this works

at all. Like, it's insane. And this feature has been deployed for multiple months, but people only found it recently. So, well, no, no, it was deployed. It took a while for people to go,

“it's gone now. But it took it away. Yeah, I was found recently. But like, it blew up, I think a few”

months. I think last year. Grammarly had added this feature late last year. Not a lot of people were

using it. No one really noticed it. And then recently, it kind of popped up in the media because people started noticing it. And all these people started writing about it because the people that we're writing about it were the people that was impersonating effectively. Every article was like, this is impersonating authors, including me. It was kind of crazy. So funny enough, Nila has this podcast called decoder. He had already scheduled to have the superhuman slash grammar lease

CEO on like the following week. And to that guy's credit, he actually did go on decoder to talk to Nila about it. And the interview was very tense from the get go from the get go from the start. And so it became this whole kind of argument about what is attribution versus what is just stealing

and using someone's likeness. And the CEO really just defends the idea that's attribution. He talks

about, oh, there's a link that you can go to. And it clearly says that, oh, this is inspired by this person, but like, you had the checkmark is the checkmark is you can't defend it when you do because the check, everyone knows what the checkmark means. Yeah, every other context, it means this is verified from this person. Right. If it's on social media, the checkmark means this is definitely the person you think it is. They're what? Why did they put a checkmark here? They put a checkmark

here to convince you that this is legit and this is definitely like they're not trying to necessarily convince you that this is actually the human editing your work, but they get about as close to that as possible. And it's definitely in personation. You can't convince me otherwise that it's not attempting to trick a person into this. For sure. For real. I don't care what he said in that interview. I know it says that the like under that inspired by but to put the checkmark in

is just straight up lying. Yeah. Yeah. There was a class that there is a class election

“election lawsuit going on, which is I think why the CEO couldn't really say a lot because”

that it could be used against him in court. And it's insane to me that he would even do the interview when he knows Nealize very combative about these kind of things. Yeah. Well, then if he does go on the interview, then the article is about how he pulled out of the interview. Yeah, and it looks even worse. So it's either. Do you get that? I don't think that looks worse. He made himself look worse in that interview. Yeah. Yeah. He made a selfie. We definitely recommend that you go

listen to this or watch it. It's both on their podcast via watch it. You're seeing facial expressions and it is well worth it. Yeah. Also, the CEO's whatever laptop he's using should be blown up because the wobble of the screen as he's talking, you're just watching him the whole time. It was a text screen. If you watch it has like five excretes, it looks like he's in the middle of an earthquake. It's wild. Yeah. This really reminds me of when we had these conversations about

these AI image generators and video generators where if you would just put in like tech reviewer like Mark has would just show up. You know, it reminds me of the whole like who's in this training data? How are they stealing it? Did they do that recently? It was a long time ago. It was Sora. Well, there was Sora, but there was also like Gemini. There was, uh, yeah, there was early Chaggy BT stuff. There was something a few weeks ago where I literally put in like a tech reviewer

and it just popped out Mark has. Oh, yeah. When we were out South by South West, I said, I said, I had a tech reviewer to this photo and it just added Mark has. And then I said, but it did say I added MKPHD. It's, which, that's a whole, that's the same thing. It's like like this versus the weird thing about this is Neil, I was looking at it. So the reason though the interview is so good is because like there's personal stakes. Like it's literally

impersonating Neil. Yeah. He's the one interviewing, which makes it a much more tense. But like

verge casting, he's like, I would never say anything like this. I've never said anything. Yeah,

ever like this. So it just feels like straight up lying to the credit of the CEO. He said, like, this didn't work out really well. How are we supposed to get into the mind of an editor by only using their, the final published work? Right. Question again. I know.

“Maybe you can. And that's what they killed it, which I'm glad they got rid of it, but just that's just”

impersonation and lying at that point. Who's to say that couldn't have just been like an AI software where Mark has, Mark has brownly pops up verified checkmark and says a piece of advice that Mark has doesn't believe it or not. Windows is the best, the best editing for AK videos. Like I love my Windows laptop. And then all of us to say is inspired by Mark has brownly his body of work

for he's a 20 million tech reviewer, blah, blah, source. It's it's I'm not. It's not me. It's not me.

It's very trust me, bro. And also using the likeness of someone else to prove credibility. And yeah, I just see how yeah, I don't see how you ship this feature and not think it's going to blow up on your face. Because in the best case version of this feature, it's like, wow, we're going to have testimonials of people going like, I love this product because it lets me get my work checked by these professionals and the professionals going, but that's obviously I would not that's like not what

I would have done. He said the reason this, the small team, he kept saying small team. Yeah, he kept saying like he was a star that many people under the bus, which he should be under the bus because he ultimately approved it as CEO. But like if you are he keeps saying, you as the person like

you might want like, Grammarly supposed to be your uh, your language arts teacher sitting right there

and helping you make decisions. So he's like, this is a version where some experts, you really respect like be right there, helping you make corrections and so I was like, but I wouldn't make it. But I wouldn't make it. But there. It's like, yeah, the reason we like all these people is the like personal connection. We have to them personally. I don't want an AI just pretending there. Yeah. This is biz, you're getting catfish. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, Neil, I even said

his line edits are usually just like feels messy. And that's the whole thing. You know, who's ever had an editor knows that it's not very coherent thoughts now. It's just a lot of back and forth and I can't wait until Final Cut adds a Mark has editor and then like, I make a J. Cut and it's like, great job. Mark has sort of done this time. Yeah. Since that feels bad. It could have a little bit. I think Grammarly took the wrong route with this product. I think instead of like

people like obviously Nila, great writer, people love his writing. But I think they should have gone with people who are known for being unbelievably opinionated writers. And I just forced like, like, I want to be writing an email to like Mark has about our health insurance plan or something like that. And then Grammarly's like, so I mean, a little AI slavage ZZEC, the Slovenian philosopher pops up. And he's like, well, what does this email have to do with the struggle of

the self? And I'm like, like, uh, yes, distract me. Susan Sontag comes up and is like, where are the mentions of gender? You know, character barely knows pops up. It is like, Ellis, you mentioned nothing about Beethoven's terrible use of the French horn. Yeah. That's that's fair. I think

“Clippy could have done any of that. Clippy could have done all of that. That's what you stop. Yeah,”

stop replicating actual people and giving them that attribution is such a beautiful argument. Yeah, free advice to any CEO. If you run a company that does any sort of AI product in your goal is to have it replace people in any way. Think a little harder about how you think that's going to go. Yeah, just a little harder. Just hire funny. Take some accountability. All of them just seem to be like, oh, well, if the models were using are going to like, yeah, he's pulled up the

work of blah, blah, blah, and they're going to use that. And that's what the models are going to do. Shut the f*ck. Are you f*cking serious? Yeah. I mean, every, pretty much every AI CEO makes the argument that this is not, this is just an average of like a bunch of stuff. So it's not copying everything. It's just making new content based on like every, every AI CEO is like, well, you could have read all of Nealize writing and then edited like them and it's like, no, you can't. That's not how

this works. That's not how many of us are turning it. Also, like, it sounds like it's so funny that the one art example they're arguing over the whole time is a bad, like, just straight up didn't work in the voice at all. Yeah, which makes it look even worse. I think the flow with that logic could be thinking that all of Nealize thoughts and experiences ever had exists in a training data set. Yeah, which as a human with their own thoughts and experiences that they have not submitted

“to a training data set. No. I mean, ultimately, that's what people in Silicon Valley generally think.”

Like, they think that you can model everything. They think that with enough information, with enough data, with enough training, you can simulate everything, you know. And so they're like, maybe you can, but we're not even close to that, yeah. Yeah, I know. That's, that's probably why why this interview is so good. Because one of the people who you think you're, you have

to have enough data to delete who I am, because we're not paying it. Because the data that Nealize Brain was trained on are things like his childhood, like things that you can't. You can't do that, bro. It doesn't work. Yeah, exactly. So until you put it in a vat, go, go listen to the interview.

“It's fantastic. We'll watch the interview. We'll watch. I think it's kind of funny. Yeah,”

yeah, it's part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. VMP, baby. Okay. Well, I think we're going to take it to one more ad break. But then I'm going to yell about a mouse again afterwards. Right. We love mice. Yes. We love mice. We love LSE appen, about speakers. Yeah. So the one person that was not read, actually barely, this is treat us on orchestration other than me. I hope you enjoyed my little reference. He's famous. I'm sure a lot of people did.

I was like, Ruth, everything you say. I love everything. You say about audio. Never in our

up to do wants to go. It's as part of it. It's as amazing as this composer who wrote a book about how to write for all the instruments a long time ago. And he was really angry. And there's this whole passage in the French horn section. We're instead of talking about how to write for French horn. He just goes into this giant beef with Beethoven. And he's like, that guy, Beethoven sucked at French horn. He was a coward on the French horn. It's very fun to read. Oh, so wait. Oh, sorry.

“That was a soundboard. That was not me. Sorry. LSE, I forgot you were talking. What were you saying?”

No, that's interesting. I do that to Andrew in the weekly meeting yesterday or he said something and then immediately I was like, "But what about this thing?" That Andrew just said. And then I had a DM and say, "I'm sorry, do you say something?" Karma. That was a problem. That's kind of a "Carmic Retribution." Okay, next question. Question number two. What year? And we're doing closest without going over? Yeah. What year did Apple release Apple Maps? Oh, was that the year?

Wait, don't look. Don't look. I want you to guess too. Was that the, that was the year that people were driving into the lakes, right? I don't remember how poorly the launch went. I gotta remember the year. Okay. There's a joke and this is a WWE show announcement. Yeah. There's a dope dope announcement. I'm pretty sure. And Silicon Valley the show. They're doing like a troll group. I know like, "Oh, this is bad." And he goes, "How bad?" Apple Maps bad.

Sick. That is the bar. One more mouse thing to talk about. I'll make it quick. I won't. I'll be right back. All right, welcome back to Andrew's mouse corner again. I kind of want to both of these the same

week, but then I kind of thought this one was never coming in and then I came in. After we did the

Poonage Sim 3 last week. We got to order one for next week now so you keep it going. That will never happen. This is where I work at 7. If you order this, I work at 7. I'll do a review on the podcast. Okay. I will smash that thing buddy. This is the Logitech Pro X2 Superstrike. Not a great name. But, flat words. This is kind of like the most hype mouse in the scene right now for a couple of reasons. One Logitech GPRO has been kind of like the de facto tried and true gaming mouse for years at

“this point. I think you could look at like Valorant or Counterstrike stats of how many people use”

a specific mouse and I think the GPRO is top of the list every single time. But so this is the exact same form factor, but Logitech finally decided to do something kind of cool because they've been kind of boring for a while. This mouse, on its the exterior, it's just everything you kind of expect. It's not too flashy. It's nothing like really bad. It's nothing really good. It's just a good form factor. Two buttons, symmetrical. It's everything you would want.

But this one is doing something a little different. This actually has no switches. Not mechanical or options. There are no switches. This is a fully haptic. What's similar do you like holo effect? No, it's not holo effect. It's haptic. Those are optical switches. It's like your MacBook trackpad. How it is actually a fake click. The reason I want to bring it on to this is because I can get reactions from all of you because

the easiest way to test what this feels like is what will hand this to you and I want you to click the buttons. You can even do them in the microphone. Click the buttons right now. What do they feel like? Like broken, right? They do move. They do move, but it feels like I'm not actually making sure. Now the switch on the bottom flip that on and now start clicking. So it's like the sound is not fantastic. But it sounds not great, but there is a

yeah, there's a pretty amazing. Yeah, I'll let David try this now. This is off.

Subscribe. That feels mushy. It feels broken, right? Yeah, if it's broken. Does not now flip it on. Yeah.

“Yeah, this is amazing audio. It's great. I mean we're good. Oh, yeah, okay. So it goes from feeling like”

broken to like, there's something there. There's still a lot of things. I agree. I'm not like full well, so that's one thing that's higher than I would like. That's something that now we can do with this mouse because we can change a couple different things. We can change actualation force. Oh, we can change essentially like the clickiness of it and you can change what it's calling rapid trigger, which is essentially was really popular on keyboards a couple of years ago. Stuff like snap

tapware, not only it got worked in in certain things. Like it could do things that programs would make it think was possibly cheating because essentially what it's doing is if you have an actuation length going down until the buttons actuated, essentially what you could do is the lift off to reset that could be all very, very small. You can you can make it really long. So a way this can be really beneficial is if you're in a game where let's say you have a gun that's semi-automatic.

So each click is one shot. If you can, if that gun is really strong with the weakness of it, is it semi-automatic? But now you can make your actuation really small and your reset activation really short as well. You can just and it feels like an automatic gun. That's pretty sick of eating this. And so right now I have the right the left click as a five in your haptix out of five. Five out of five and the right is on one. So if you click these now, it's not a big difference, but there are

five levels of activation in per button buttons can be different as well. It's just this is kind of a cool thing in the mouse world. This is brand new. This is within a month. Okay. I don't know if you want to try left versus right. Like I said, this isn't like the craziest thing, but like the ability to have this in a mouse is such a smaller version of where you can put this in versus a keyboard where you have full PCBs and individual switches and everything. So I thought this was

kind of cool. I don't have much to say about it. There is one other cool thing which is super niche which is a lot of people when they're doing something called bunny hopping in first person shooters. It's they actually changed their jump button from the space bar to the wheel so that you can just bunny hopping is when you jump and you hit the jump like the second you hit the ground which carries momentum in a lot of games, which lets you move faster. So when people do it on the wheel,

it makes it. So you're always hitting the jump as you land because you're not just pressing space

one time you're scrolling through, which is like 10 jumps at a time, right? You can just scroll.

“You can just scroll to be your jump so that's how people will make sure that their jump is”

always landing at the perfect point. This has a bunny hop mode so like it makes it really sensitive. I know it was a bad idea. It just weren't funny hopping. It has a thing so you can't accidentally scroll the scroll wheel when you're clicking buttons which can happen sometimes because if you jump when you're trying to fire you can completely screw up recoil and everything. But yeah there's not much to this. I will say, since this is a totally new technology

in a thing that you press thousands of times in a lifecycle very quickly, I would probably wait till like is a decade using this? Because while we have haptic like track pads like you mentioned. So there's a motor in there and then there's the sort of attachment to the moving piece. Ironically that's similar attack to the track pad like that should last a long time. Think about how often you click on your track pad versus how often you like click in like one game of counter

dude that's very yeah that's good yeah. Yeah or Dota Dota is literally all movement is based on clicking it's probably your right five hundred to a thousand clicks like a game probably more. It might be more where like you do that this track pad like Dota's like you know long an hour long game and to move

“you have to be like this year's interesting. My computer is going crazy with this. That's true now”

but uh yeah. I want to do a landing. I want to try to actually play Dota and Valerie and all that's though. Dude I don't know how such dog that Valorant now but I don't know how anyone gets into Dota it's like the most complicated because I don't know what's the guys taking these games. I don't know nothing about them. I'll play with you one day. We'll play. Yeah. Let's play now. Let's play Valorant. Let's play it. Let's play it. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play.

Let's play. Studio Stream. Yeah I'm Guardian 5 which is the second lowest here and I have

4800 hours. Well Mark has just bought a his right mouse. So yeah you bought the mouse? No I should. I really want to though. I want the right set. I want to be better at Dota. I bet you that mouse. How much does I mouse wait? This is 60 grand. It can weigh as much as you want. Yes it's customizable. It's I remember

weigh over 35 grams I ain't touching it. It can weigh up to 157 grams. That's like I have a mouse with

progressive overload is crazy. It's like it's weight training. It's modular baby. So the A over you which is almost definitely wrong but it says that one game of Dota can be between 5,000 to 10,000 clicks.

“That's insane. Yeah that's why I to be fair this is something where like”

gaming really loves to do that and we've seen this with frame rates and graphics cards and everything is like you need this to be better but it's like the point top 0.5% might find like a huge difference in this. I do think this will be more interesting than like snapped up because counterstrapping is something that is really hard to do but in games we're just like a semi-automatic rifle and might need to fire faster. You can do that so easily on a mouse like this. I need to go home and

actually try it. But now I have two mice to try and no time to try them. So now it's just our playing games at work. Yeah it's James Bond no time to try. Can I also make a quick announcement? Sure. Straightly manifesto. This band. Alright trivia. I've been waiting. Their oven still didn't come out. Okay. Does the announcement? There's okay. They announced the show in June. That's the

“show. But in December they said that there wouldn't be another show until the album comes out”

which was last June. The album was supposed to come out. So so is the Tesla Roaster going to come out for you? It's a series 2.0 or treelight manifesto first. Ooh. That's a good question. Probably at the same time. Someone was joking on the street lights I've read it that the reason hasn't come out was because their music is going to be in GTA 6 is like the radio station. So they're just delayed it along side of GTA 6. And I just had to tell you guys that for my like two fans out

there that care about this. I know there's at least two though because Alice told me that it's out by Southwest somebody said that her husband cared about street light. She was like she was like

my husband's a huge fan of the podcast. I'm so sorry. I've never seen an episode. I don't really know anything

about it. But I do know that someone on the podcast is like a fan of this really small band I was really really into and I was like it's street light manifesto and David isn't it? She was like yeah. So thank you. Now we can do trivia. Can I say guys a funny area overview thing that happened to me a little bit ago? Yeah. I was trying to Google the English translation. I was trying to see if there was an English translation of this book that's like a collection of folklore that I really

wanted to read and so I searched English and then the name of the book and it's like a collection of these stories and AI overview mixed up the ISBN, which is like the sort of the book graduation number with the number of stories in it. So it said the Mavynagian is a collection of one one one one two five zero two three nine two five five zero eight one one one three seven two eight one zero zero two three three eight oh one eight zero nine oh one two three two one one five four medieval Welsh prose tales. I don't know what

that number is but I guarantee you there is not that much of anything in anywhere. That's almost as long as a similar land. Oh there's way more. I had a huge fight with a yeah overview. Well it was like Google Lens search and then the AI like trying to I was trying to find a key cap that was on the Mac keyboard subreddit and I said what is this and it's like kept bringing me it's like oh it's this in this model from this artist and it's on this website and I'm like I can't find

on the website are you sure? Oh just kidding it was actually this one for so long and then it kept going like it just kept saying it's definitely from this and I said what picked show me link just send me a link

only give me the link don't say anything else and just never got it and then I just replied on the

subreddit and in like five minutes he answered what it was from and I was like I hate shy so breaking I've never got humans is better than talking to him. Did it just send you this picture over and over again?

“A key key on a baseball cap. Key cap to him. That's a fire hat. What you should buy that.”

I should definitely buy this. How many Wikipedia pages are there called? I hate how there's so much TV. And I'm looking for Delta. You can go over Delta Airlines. Do you know why it's called Delta Airlines? Because because it changes what place you're in. Yeah that's I made that up that's not true. I thought you were supposed to. I thought you were supposed to. I was going to say Delta wings but Jetlighters don't use Delta wings. Delta Christ. I don't I think it's actually just changing

where you want. It's just changing. He was actually on the Delta Terri and diet and just came back from it. He was eating only triangles. Allegedly it is named after the Mississippi Delta. Guys how many Wikipedia pages are whoever you get to reverse it. To reverse out of the river.

That is third incorrect. But Mark has was closest. There are three. Oh there is

“got a trick question. There is the page for the Apple TV hardware device.”

The Apple TV streaming service and the Apple TV app which you can get. Oh yeah. Because these are dedicated pages. So I like there would be more than one for the hardware device. There are three things. 26. 20. But there's not separate pages. There's just one page that details all of them. No, these are three separate Wikipedia pages. Well I know those are. I'm talking about the hardware. Oh, yes. No. Three. I'll take the point though. Yeah.

Well TV Wikipedia. Because it needs to point. So I'll give it to them. Not a single TV made by Apple. I'm not going to hand it off to Adam for a quick update on that score. Anne Eddemont, Anne Eddemont, Anne Eddemont. Mark has with the 19. You got to play it. Andrew with the 19. David Wayne the lead. 23.

“Yeah. Next question. What's really got out of hand?”

The Apple release Apple Maps. What year? Yeah. Post was without going over too high. Yep. She's yeah. I think it's this. But let me think. So dove dove. I don't know. Probably was farther. Without going too high. Indeed. Without going too high. Dang. Right. And flipperman read. What do you guys got? Oh, Jesus. Oh, wow. We all I'm just going to say all of you are wrong. But tell me what your answers are.

I wrote 2017. Nope. I wrote 2014. Nope. 2010. Nope. But Andrew gets the point. Because I didn't go over. Did you go over? There goes 2012. Oh.

That's my first point. Maybe in 2026. No. I went on a blazing lead. Just start and I have not had anything.

God bless. Essentially the New Jersey Devils. We're going to have to blow it out of the water. And then just Oklahoma City Thunder. Yeah. Sacramento City Kings. That's because I grew up there. That's a good. I went to a lot of games. Kobe. No, Kobe was. No. Sorry. He was on them. Oh, that's BAM. BAM. No. It was, um, no, the old guys. There you got this. When the kings were good. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Hit it.

Page. No. Like he was. Did he? Are you a bitty fan? Bibi. I have a, I had a bobblehead of Bibi of Mike. Yeah. Yeah. The bitty bobblehead. Bitty bobblehead. Bitty bobblehead? Bitty bobblehead. Kevin Durant. No. No. He's just Steak of it. Just Steak of it. He's just Steak of it. He was Christian. Doug Christie. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Chris. My baby. Brad. Lander. Brad. No. Brad. Millard. I don't know. My grandpa was really into Kings basketball. So we went to a lot of games actually.

Wow. I was waiting for you to explain the film in basketball terms. And you never did.

Yeah. Oh, the film. Oh, yeah. Somebody posted this photo. So, well, okay. Real quick. I got to give you guys a, okay. I got to tell you about this. No, I'll explain. Sorry. It's not a mystery like that. It's about film. Okay. So Kodak. You know Kodak. Yeah. I saw it. I know Kodak. They went out. They went out. They went, they went,

“they went bankrupt a long time ago. I believe you. Yeah. They went bankrupt. Kodak was basically,”

was basically like, was like IBM. They were like, one of the biggest companies in the world for quite a long time. Then they went bankrupt because they were stupid. And then there's nobody shoots film anymore. That's not true. I do. Anyway, they had to split into two separate companies as part of the bankruptcy and they became Kodak and Kodak aleris. Kodak Eastman and Kodak aleris. Okay. The way that the deal worked was that Kodak Eastman would produce the film and they would sell the

film to Kodak aleris, which would then sell the film to consumers. They'd package us all to consumers. Really strange banks. I don't get that. Yeah, I don't really get it. Hey, we don't have any money. So let's just be the same company with two companies. Yeah. I don't know. There's details and there's business stocks, reasons, taxes. I don't know. Anyway, fairly recently, Kodak Eastman and I'm not sure why this started happening became able to sell film itself again. So now,

Kodak aleris still exists, who they are still selling film to. But they are now, they have new packaging and new names for like a lot of the film that they're selling. So there's like ultramax and like there's Portra and all this stuff. Portra is the Kodak Eastman name for the film, but aleris name for the film, but the Kodak Eastman version is now called like Kodak color or something like that. Okay. So anyway, over the last six months, they've

been re-releasing all these films, but with like different packaging and different names, generally cheaper because they don't have to do like they don't have to sell it. The Eastman doesn't

release this new film and someone said, "Can you explain this to me in basketball terms?" Okay.

“David, so I think my basketball thing would be like, "If Mike Bibby,”

and Kobi, is that bad to say?" No, it's a basketball play. Okay, my Bibby and Kobi Bryant were like the same person and then they split in the two people. This is a bad analogy. I can't make the best. I don't know enough about basketball to make the best of all that.

I think that's a hard thing to do. I can do a second now. People can't split in half.

If you can make a technology, I will try to make it a baseball. Okay, okay. Good. This is like tough. You just get like this. I like the film companies split in two. Basketball, but no. Let me do a tech analogy. Yeah. Okay. Imagine if Android had to spin off from Google, right?

“Which we've or Chrome. Let's say Chrome. Okay. And Google still made Chrome, but they couldn't”

distribute it. And Chrome, the company, was the one that actually packaged it and distributed it to people. And then later on, for some reason, Google was once again able to make Chrome. And because Chrome AM is up and sourced, because they still have the rights to do it, they released it under Google Chrome as opposed to just Chrome. I got a version. Okay, basketball. It would be like if Kevin Durant played for a Seattle team called the Super Sonics.

And then at some point, they went away and they split. Kevin Durant went to another team and the Super Sonics won away and became Oklahoma City Thunder. And then later, the NBA was like, we should make an expansion team in Seattle. And Kevin Durant went back to the Seattle team. I like it. Okay. We should clip that in comment on that guy's comment. Let's see if that works. That might have you ever. I was like a game of television. It might happen. It might not.

All that we've learned a lot on the pod. That's some human experience. Yeah. That's explanations. Yeah. Hopefully some of that is accurate. Okay. Thanks for watching.

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