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“no-trupping this year. All right, what's going on people-o-stop-by-s-all-blest-good morning?”

All right, so we are here to have our second-ever live recording of our podcast, the wayform podcast. Some of you may already know us, to those of you who have seen us before, hi. If you don't already know us, the wayform podcast is a tech chat show about the stories of the week about YouTube, about gadgets and sort of anything in between. Before we jump in, I actually want to ask two things of you guys. We've got about an hour up here today with you and we want to make this a fun interactive type of podcast instead of just the normal episode of us chatting with each other.

So we have Elis and Adam, where are they? They're in here somewhere. Yeah, they're over here. At the end of the show or somewhere in the middle they're going to roam around with microphones and ask for questions from you guys. So start thinking now about what sorts of questions you want to ask us about tech or YouTube or being a creator.

Yeah, just or anything that's in the news. And the other thing is, I'm giving you guys permission right now to take out your phones and open up your web browser and go to waveformservea.com

And answer those couple questions real quick. And what we're going to do is at the end, we're going to have some trivia questions where we try to figure out what you guys said on that survey. So I'll give you guys 15, 20 seconds right now to open up waveformservea.com And then, yeah, we can just sort of jump right in. What you guys want to start with? Yeah, I have a couple things we can start with real quick before we get to there. I think, you know, we always joke about how things come out on Thursday. Yeah. So being a Friday today as a recording, we do get to talk about one thing, which is the Rivian Art.

And most importantly, when they're projected to be released, can I just set the stage for why we're getting the prices now? So I, I've already tested and reviewed it.

“The art too, which I think is probably their, it's arguably their most important vehicle, right? As we are testing it, we all knew.”

How long did you test it? This is probably three weeks, three, four weeks ago. And we're all testing it. And everyone sort of knows Rivian Art too is their lower price version of an SUV. It's their model Wi-Fi. And everyone knows that the starting price is going to be $45,000. But we also all know that tech companies do this thing, where they give reviewers the highest spectrum best possible version of the thing. This is in phone computers every phone 17e with a $900 for 16e of the most storage. So we all know we're driving the dual motor performance nice trim interior.

And we had a great time. It was a super capable vehicle. But we know we're not driving the $45,000 version. So now we're finding out how much did the version that I tested cost and when is the $45,000 version coming. So why don't you give that to? Yeah, I've got kind of everything here. So we're going to have art to standard art to premium and art to performance performances. There's also like a long tradition performance, I believe. Right. So what we're driving. Okay, so art to performance is going to be starting at 57 nine.

We're in Austin, Texas right now. I see ribbons all the time out here. I feel like anytime I'm here or anytime I'm in like southern California. I see a lot of ribbons and there are ones. They're the $100,000 trucks and SUVs. This being half the price or 50 is $60,000 is obviously much more attainable. Quick show, a hand, is anybody thinking about getting a rivian R2? Is that, you know, there's a couple hands coming up, right? So this is this is an exciting vehicle to be coming out. I thought it was really really capable. I'm curious what you guys think now that you've seen, you know, the videos and how well it seems to drive.

I mean, I've been excited for this for a long time. I've always liked the rivian stuff and obviously a more affordable version is really cool under 60. They actually seem like because they promised under 60 two years ago at least.

And there are a lot of things have changed in the last two years. So I'm not surprised or I am surprised they kept the pricing there. Kind of stinks the most expensive is coming out first.

Bar 2 premium is going to be 53 nine. So like 54 that's coming out late 2026 and then R2 standard is the $48,000 one. That is just as 2027 and let's let's be real. We all know it's always as far away as possible in that time. So Spring 2026 will probably be what's the last thing you want to do? Yeah. The last 20.

“So it's cool that it's coming out. I mean, I'm excited to start seeing them. I think R2 standard is going to be the more the most exciting thing. Just the absolute.”

I'm just going to black out until R3 comes out. I saw that. I saw that. This is a blue car man. You all right. It looks like a Subaru.

But our three a lot of people, a lot of people forgot about the R3. The R3 looks nice. And it's just a huge group of R2 workers. R3 has been living rent free in your head. Right. Well, you don't think R2 standard is going to come out till 2027. Let's assume end of 2027. Yeah. Do you think they need at least a buffer year after that? So are we thinking 29 is that early as we might see in R3?

I've, I don't want to think about timelines for R3. I think and I think you're right. It'll probably be as late as possible. This is also the Tesla boot blueprint. Like when Model 3 and Model Y came out, they did the same thing. They were like, let's launch the highest margin. The premium best trim version. First, sell as many as we can there and work our way down and eventually sell a base. We will drive cheap as possible model. That will be the most attainable and possibly one of the highest volume trims, but I'm not expecting to see that or R3 anytime soon.

But 42030. But 42030, I think. 1220. 2029. Yeah.

But I do think like Model Y performance when it launched recently. That was like 62,000. And this rivian R2 performance, which is equally as exciting.

“Maybe even more so I think looks better. I also think has a little bit more character is 58.”

So sell a lot of things. That's pretty good.

The most important thing here is that they are matching up with Model Y prices, if not a little cheaper.

Oh. And better range as well with them. So a little better range. But I have a take. Worst colors.

The worst colors. Worst colors. Most of the colors. My problem with the colors is everything online looks super muted. Have you seen them yet? I've seen them there muted. I would feel that there will be pictures of all the colors behind us.

But the colors are light gray, dark gray, black, white. Dark green, greenish gray. Olive green. Both kind of gray. And then the dark blue.

And then a light. Let's slightly less dark blue. It's like gray blue. And then a purple purple. So there's no rivian red.

I love the rivian red. There's no rivian yellow. It's new colors for the R2.

“I think that R1 has much more bold poppy colors.”

I'm curious why. I feel like Apple does the opposite. The cheaper stuff gets the same thing that the phone companies do. But the phone companies give the cheaper stuff the poppy colors. That's true.

And now we're getting the cheaper stuff gets the. Yeah. How many shades of gray do you think they offer? Not as many as you're hoping to make the joke. But not even close.

It's possible one day. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I think the my problem with the colors is as always yellow accents.

So I want more and the like darker deeper blue looks better with the yellow. The deeper green looks better with the yellow. I liked the fun colors of R1 platform. Yeah. These the slate blue is kind of nice.

What did the purple look like in persons. You see it. It's a deep purple. Your shirts. Super proud.

You're sure. My shirts are way brighter than the purple. I was going to say Barney Barney is brighter than this purple. It was more plum. Even darker than that.

Have you ever had a plum before? I guess. Deep cut. Deep cut. Deep cut.

So yeah. I'm moderately excited about these. I think they're going to sell well. We're going to sell them in a lot more places than just. You know, the places we just sell by Southwest.

Yeah. Yeah.

I have a reservation.

“I don't know if I'll pull the trick right away.”

I might wait for the middle one. We've got some people at the studio who are very eager to pull the trigger. Because you guys are living New Jersey. Yeah. I can't have a garage.

I'm New York City. I can't charge anything anywhere. Yeah. There's like two chargers in New York and they're very far away and very expensive.

You can always come to Jersey and have a garage and charge stuff.

And I'd have just a family that's a whole thing. That's a whole thing. That's down the road. We just got it. All right.

One of the things I thought we could kind of do that's fun before we start getting into Q&A, which is we make a joke at the office all the time that tech moves so fast that us covering tech are horrible with timelines. There's so many times we write, we're talking on the podcast, we're just talking in general where somebody will say, "Oh, yeah. Remember the humane iPad?"

That was like five years ago, right? No man. That was like eight months ago. And since this is only our second time on a stage, it's at South by one year later,

I rewatched the first show of hands. Was anyone here last year? That's awesome. I'm really excited that there's somebody here. So this might be fun because I took all of the,

a lot of the things we answered and it takes that we had on current stories and things have changed quite a bit. So I figured we'd kind of do a quick run through those. This is takes from last year. This is takes from last year where news things that were happening last year.

So the first thing we talked about actually was Apple Intelligence.

Hmm.

“I think the day before we got on stage was Apple officially delaying Apple Intelligence,”

which is a very time. I think it was the first official time. So we were post launching 16 or sorry, 16 built from the ground up for Apple Intelligence. We saw that.

That didn't come out. Then this was after they deleted all the ads. That said it was for Apple Intelligence. And then they deleted. And I do believe they said still coming out 2020,

five. Wow. It's 2026. And now Google's making it. If anyone's following along, Apple Intelligence.

I guess when we say Apple Intelligence, we mean series series. The biggest series. Yeah, because Apple Intelligence has been rolling out in stages. And a lot of the early stages that are rolled out have been some of the least exciting.

Notification summaries. The emojis that are like that's small. The internal playground stuff. That's the stuff that they have rolled out. We've all been waiting for the better.

Siri aka the assistant that can take actions for you. But AI and agentic AI people asking apps to be built from the ground up on their phone from a simple query. And meanwhile, series like kind of not good at all. So we're all hoping for Siri to get good, but we're still waiting for it. Everyone on the stage said definitely out by the end of 2025.

How wrong we were? Do you know what you said specifically Mark has? No. So Siri, like we're all saying series big thing was that it can you can speak to it. Work inside of your apps on your phone.

Yes. Your response to that was big speed used to be able to do that. So if Samsung can make big speed, work inside your app. How could Apple not do it by the end of the year? Yeah.

Well, that was at the time one of the more exciting things that we are hoping it would do, which was I want to ask. And this was something big speed did. We would ask it for it to reach into an app and perform an action for us. This is called agentic. That was like 2018.

Yeah. That was one of the most interesting things that Bixby could do. And I was like, well, surely Siri also. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, here we are. Apple kind of shut themselves in the foot with the privacy angle down. I don't have any of that data. They can't just, you know, make it happen to everything. Yeah.

So, but if you weren't following along with the answer before is in January. Apple announced that Google Gemini will now be essentially what's running Apple intelligence.

“So, we did get a step further closer, but also further away from Apple creating it, I guess?”

Well, we don't really know yet. I think until it happens, we're not really sure when it's, yeah. And then the thing we're wondering was will dubbed last year just re-enounce it. I think they just glossed over it completely. Right.

So, 2024, WWDC Apple goes, Apple intelligence is our new thing.

It's going to be amazing.

This is what AI has stood for the whole time. We swear. They delay it, 2025 comes and goes. And they sort of kind of re-enounce Apple intelligence features, essentially. And sort of re-frame it and give us that some of the stuff has come out and some of the stuff is still coming.

WWDC this summer, they may do that again. And re-enounce Apple intelligence and explain the things that are now out, which is a lot of it, but still that we're hoping to see this series thing soon. Maybe this year. Maybe they've learned their lesson to not make a promise on when that's coming out.

They should just drop it when it's ready. Yeah. Honestly. I agree. Every tech company should just drop things when they're ready.

Yeah. I think the world will be. But then how is it investor investor? How long?

Yeah. Next thing we talked about, and I'll go really fast on this because Dig relaunched or got announced last South by. Oh, yeah. We thought it was going to be this cool thing of the, you know,

the old arch rivals because we had the founder of Dig and one of the co-founders of Reddit. It likes us on Annie and coming together to relaunch Dig and, you know, I was really mad at Reddit last year because Steve Huffman totally ruined it. And I was really excited for Dig and then when I was writing this, I was like, Oh, yeah.

What happened to Dig? And it launched at some point.

“I think earlier this year, and I went to it.”

And the hardest part about trying to pretend you're doing well is when your whole website is based on votes and comments and activity is the minute you go to the front page of it. You can see how it's doing. I don't, I saw very few posts that had more than 50 votes and like more than 10 comments.

So it's basically just, I don't know.

No, there are any Dig users, new Dig users in here. I'd be shocked if I saw it. We got a hand. There was a hand. We got one hand.

Okay. You'll have to tell me about it later. Because it didn't look like it was doing great, but do you have this kind of nice, I guess? Okay. Yeah, they haven't really advertised it at all.

I haven't seen it. I forgot about it. They did the big launch, but then it was like $5 a month to you. I don't think it was a month or two. Like, just to the invite was $5 or something like that.

That's too much, man. You don't know how it's going to be. When you don't know what's going to be. It kind of boils down to there's no community. That's the problem.

It's community, and we talk about all these different social media platforms trying to take over other social media platforms because everyone keeps ruining social media platforms. And the hardest part, no matter how good your UI is, no matter how good all the features are is the people. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to YouTube.

Shout out to YouTube. All right. Let's go through some of the things we said in the question and answer. Someone asked if Apple launching a foldable is going to be what brings folding phones to the mainstream. We were all pretty convinced the folding phone Apple would do is flip style.

So clamshell kind of like an old folding phone. Yeah. We are all now seeing pretty strong rumors about a passport style folding phone from Apple coming out later this year. Yeah.

“One, do you think it's going to come out later this year?”

Yes. The rumors are now much more comfortably aligning for this year. It's not a rumor. Is there one in your car right now? It is technically a rumor.

Yeah. We don't know for sure until it gets announced. Yeah. We're pretty sure it's now it's like kind of like pixel fold one.

Or what was the first to?

Apple find the passport style. Yeah. The passport style so it opens like a galaxy fold. But it is a little bit more squat. So it opens to a wide screen.

And I think that's going to be it's going to make sense. What we're all curious now to see is what's the unique differentiating thing for Apple. Is it an iPad like OS when it's open? Yes. And that like, you know, creaceless display.

Is it both? Is it the fact that they charge less than anybody else? No. Is it any, what's their angle going to be? You're going to be with Apple right now.

Okay. I actually have a sneaky feeling.

“This is going to live at the top of the iPhone lineup.”

Yeah. Safe bet. Yeah. So all our bets last year were wrong. So yeah.

So yeah. We expect to see it this year. It will be a, we could probably place bets on the price. It will probably be a 2020. Oh, yeah.

Phone. And we'll see what your angle is. It's okay. My angle works at Apple. So he told me.

He told me. It's 299. Is this breaking news? It's going to ban you from Apple. Also talking about Apple.

Last year, somebody asked us if we ever thought we'd see a touch screen. Mac or Mac display. And all of us were extremely confident. We know.

It's just always used the word ultra when they're like, thank him.

But we know that's not going to do that part. Make it into pod. I don't think it made it. And I think I just need to say it. Okay.

Mac book Ultra is not a good name. Yeah. Here's why. And it's not like it's okay. Like Ultra makes sense for like the super high end product.

That makes sense. But they also have chips called Pro Max and Ultra. They do not put the Ultra chips as of right now in the laptop. That's in the desktop. So if you're going to name it MacBook Ultra.

But you don't put the Ultra chip in it. That's a little confusing. What about the watch? Fair. But I just think if there is an Ultra chip available in the Mac lineup,

the Mac book Ultra should have it. That's my number one confusion. And then. But yeah, it's supposed to be a touchscreen, which is all like, I don't really know what to make of that.

I'm assuming this is going to be paired with the new redesign, the dynamic island, the OLED display, all this fun stuff. I saw a headline recently that it would be thinner, which I'm a little bit nervous about, because you don't put an Ultra chip in a thinner body. Because you still have an Ultra chip.

I just, yeah, I don't think it'll have an Ultra chip.

That's my take. But yeah, we'll see.

“It's supposed to be later this year in a supposed to have a touchscreen.”

Yeah.

Would you get, do you want?

Now that we're a year later. Yeah. And we do think it is coming. Yeah. Do you want a touchscreen MacBook Pro?

It depends on what the touchscreen does. I'm still a good touch at usual. I'm cool. I guess that would be a feature. But yeah, I don't know.

They said that the UI is going to be modular and changed when you go to touch it. That's actually ambient things. I still think that they should have just made the touchpad Apple Pencil compatible and that would have solved most of the problems. And then it could have been.

The trackpad pencils, yeah, the trackpad. Yeah, because I don't know.

I like doing this on Photoshop, you know?

But yeah, if that's the only use. I'm not sure if that's worth a, you know, nine thousand dollars. Yeah, it's going to be expensive as well. That's a theme. But I do think Apple is specifically allergic to making the Apple Pencil compatible with the Mac.

And I know we were saying that about a touchscreen. But I do think this is very iPad related. They want to sell you a Mac and an iPad, not OR. So the more overlap in functionality there is with Mac and iPad, the worse it is for that double purchase. Yeah.

“So I think, yeah, the Pencil's always going to be just for the iPad.”

Next year we're going to find out. I'm going to find a more next year. It's going to be great. Yeah. I'll run through a couple of these pretty quick.

People asked us how AI was helping us in our everyday lives. And Ellis was talking about vibe coding something to where David responded. Is vibe coding like a term people use? That's changed quite a bit. There we go.

I think vibe coding. My grandma probably knows what vibe coding is now. Ellis downloaded a local LL for the plane ride here to mess around with. So he was quining hard. Nobody gets that job.

It's a model. And then the last thing we just kind of, you know, got a very firm answer to a couple weeks ago, which is with somebody else's, if AI is coming into everything, glasses, pens, phones, how concerned should we read data privacy? And for some reason you haven't seen the meta-ray ban article about where your data is being sent.

And being used seen by data annotators in different countries, you should really read that article. Lots of private stuff that you don't know fully is being recorded when you're using AI features are being sent out. And yeah, we did a breakdown this week that the pod just went live an hour ago. So you could watch it right now if you wanted, you could be double potting right now.

I'm crazy. I would not want to listen to me two times at the same time. We wanted to release it live on stage, but then we'd have to make the pod as late joke to Adam again. So yeah.

Yeah. All right, we'll take a quick break. But after we come back, Adam and Ellis are going to take some questions from the crowd. That will try to answer. No pressure.

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Oh, true. Mark has 26 boots. Wow. Wow. I can't--

I can't-- My con. His car has brown legs. Shop the shop.com. And you're why you sound so surprised.

I don't know. There's been like four Reddit posts about Elsa's sweatshirt. It's Abbas Rambi and Fitch. Yeah. People use circles to search to find that out.

Wow.

“People only talk about Elsa and Digg, so that's why.”

That's why I have this thing on me. Guys, we asked this crowd to rank our niche tech interests. That are paid weather apps, Samsung decks, film cameras, VHS tapes, and mechanical keyboards. What do you think the top ranked thing in this room was?

Are we all just going to answer our own one? I don't know. I'm not definitely not. I think this room would think David's film camera is the most neat.

It's interesting. It's weather apps for sure. It's weather apps for sure. Okay, Andrew? I'm selfishly saying mechanical keyboards.

If it's weather app. At number three. Samsung decks. That's right, baby. At number two.

Mechanical keyboards. Okay. At number one. David and Mel. Really loud.

Film cameras. I don't even think this. We're living in the analog world. People. I'd be rank it.

Racking up the points right now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

“Guys, I think it's time for our new, I guess it's the second time.”

So now it's our tradition. We asked this crowd who has the worst takes on waveform. Last year, you all voted me. Which is the person who introduced these three people to vibe coding. You might be right.

Who do you think has the worst takes? Or excuse me. Who do you think this room has the worst takes on a waveform? This lovely crowd of 3,000 people. Three million people.

Yeah. You know what's funny about that? I just want to interrupt. Well, I mean, this room is what probably like 150 people. Something like that, which is awesome.

And I always hear like people starting off.

Starting YouTube channels will always say like, oh, you know, I made my first video.

I didn't get that many views. I only got like 200 views. Picture yourself making that video to a room of 200 people. And it totally re-contextualizes what you just did. Everyone's obsessed with scale and getting a million views.

But like, just if you're starting, think about that. Think about this room. Anyway. I'm way more nervous on this stage right now than going into our podcast. Which it's hundreds of dust.

I have no idea what to do with my legs. It's usually under a pair of shirts. Anyway. I think as G like twice basically.

That would be worst takes.

Yeah. It could be me, honestly.

“I think everyone just wants to say themselves to be nice.”

So I'll also say do it to be nice. I think so. Wow. Andrew. You tied with Adam for the least votes in this question.

Implying that you actually might be obsessed. Wow. I love you all.

This is the greatest audience in the world.

Mark has you only slightly came under him with six votes on the worst takes on the podcast. It's you, me boys, one of the three of us. I, with my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my my

I, with my my myriad of wonderful opinions, got a whopping 12 votes for the worst takes on the podcast, but I have been de-thromed. The worst takes on the way form now belong to David and now, damn. We're just one because they love your film cameras, but don't like your other team. But don't like my opinions. Like your pictures, but don't talk. Just be pretty.

Guys, offered a lot of hilarious answers to what the tech of the summer will be. Everything from, I don't know, not the rap at R1, something that people think is cool. AI companies offering open claw as a service. Whatever the Johnny I chat GPT pop will end up being, uh, metaglasses, the Neo, local AI devices for all my printers out there.

Thank you, us. Don't know what that means. I got you. Yeah, what does that mean? Can you explain that? What? We're not talking. Lead, really. Okay, Nermon.

“It's a, it's a local AI model made by, I can't remember who actually makes it, but I think they just”

laid off like most of their team. So it's sort of unsupported and free floating in me. Okay, forget I asked Jelly. Um, and it seems like for the most part, you guys would not let open claw touch anything in your lives, which is probably smart, safe move. But now that we've heard the opinions that we've forced out of you, I think we'd like to ask some of these microphones around and have you guys ask our hosts

some questions. Does that sound like it would be fun? I hope so, because we have 30 minutes of nothing else. We're coming over in Vamp.

Adam Malena is handing out the first question.

Hi, thank you guys so much for speaking. I've been a fan for almost eight years now, so it's kind of crazy. Um, like seeing you guys in real life, I was kind of curious. I took a Robo taxi here, and it got me wondering between that. I see a lot of way modes on the street. Would each of you be comfortable riding in an autonomous vehicle? And if so does it matter on the brand? Are you waiting for it to get bigger or have you done so since you've been in Austin?

Yeah, so when I first got to test the Tesla Robo Taxi, it was still in a very early beta phase of only people with invites get tested, but I did get my first taste of the Tesla Robo Taxi there. That was also my first taste of the way modes. I wrote them all day. I don't know how many miles I covered, but we did a lot of shooting and a lot of testing and a whole bunch of different routes all over the place. At the end of that, my conclusion was, these are fine. And actually,

as someone who typically, like, I recently checked my Uber rating, and I'm like a 4.9 passenger rating, I feel like I'm the perfect Uber passenger flight. I just, I get in the back, and I just sit there, and I don't do anything, and it would be even cooler if I didn't have to

“talk to anyone, and it was empty. And I'm on the computer working and it's fine. And I think”

a lot of people's dream is to just get into a little car that doesn't have anyone in there, it doesn't have to talk to anyone. So I was totally fine with it. I would write in any Autonomous car. They seem to drive kind of like a grandma, a little bit, like they're mostly pretty safe about things, and I was totally fine with that. Yeah. Well, I'm not supposed to talk because my opinions are bad. Give us your takes. I've not taken the Robo Taxi. I personally,

I have a Model 3, and I do not trust its autopilot at all, because it makes really bad decisions. Obviously, I don't have a newer version. It's like a 2019 one's very old. So maybe I would do that. But I have been writing waymos for like three or four years now, and the ones that San Francisco are crazy smooth. I love getting in a waymo, and I love that has my name like spinning on the top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't like the idea of this insane consolidation of power between like

one to two companies that could completely just take over the entire Taxi ride-hailing space, if this tech gets more democratized, which is a really cool open-sourced car driving models now that you can install in your car with cameras and stuff. Whether or not that becomes street legal, I have no idea, but the waymos are very fun, they're very smooth. I have not ridden in either of them. I think I would because Mark has said they're pretty slow, and around, you know, they're testing

in cities like this, which is gated, and they're doing a lot of, you know, there's only so far

but also a regular Uber driver, I think, as we left South by last year, Mark has his Uber to the

airport when they got in, he said, "I'm not your average Uber driver," and all of us went, "Oh, no, are we going to see them at that?" So, you know, there's dangers in both of them, but yeah, I would get in one and try it around the city. I saw one near a studio a couple days ago, and I realized there's no article, a waymo, that they're testing them in New York City, which isn't saying. Which I couldn't decide if that may be in a very confident in them,

“or extremely concerned, because I've seen, has anyone driven in New York City before?”

You know, that's the ultimate challenge for these things, so if it can survive there,

then I guess it can survive anywhere. Can I throw an question to the audience real fast?

So, with this cyber cab, I was literally going to ask you. If you don't know, Mark has a bet, if the $30,000 no steering wheel to seat, cyber cab comes up by the end. Robo here, thinks Mark has his hair is safe. Okay, do you think it will come, not come out? Okay, here's a bet. Here's a bet. Elon got on the way to Portland. Well, the bet was, okay, Elon got on the stage. He said, "We're going to have this golden two-door autonomous thing,

and we're going to sell it to the public before the end of 2026." And I was like, "Of course, you're not." And if you do, I'll shave my head on camera. But I feel pretty confident that

“that's not going to happen. So, if you think my bet is safe, raise your hand. If you think I'm going to”

shave my head, raise your hand. Yeah, I feel so good about that. As anyone here, taking a Tesla cyber cab in Austin, because they do run in Austin, so we have a Robo taxi. Yes, no, you're Robo taxi. Robo not taxi. Robo taxi. Robo no, it's Robo van. Thank you. Thank you. No, no, okay. We have another question back here. Cool. I'm actually seeing the Robo taxi here, so I'm a picture of it. It's definitely out there. My name's Will. Big fan of the podcast. Thank you. Thank you. I watch pretty much every single

one of them at least tangent until he threw shorts. And so I was just wondering, what is your all's next big purchase if it's tack or other us? I hope a home one day. So, you can have your ribion? Yeah. I have an answer. I mean, we kind of seized one at the end of year in the life. Oh, that's the giant one. Yeah. No, no, mine was going to be a tech thing. Okay. This video's not uploaded yet, so this is an exclusive. I just did a video of a sort of a desk tour of reviewing everything on my

desk. And on my desk is a bunch of things, a computer, monitors, keyboards, things that I've been using for like 15 years straight. And, and I know them really well, and I really like them, and I choose them out of all the choices I would have had. But sitting on my desk right now is two prototype XDRs and a Mac Pro. And the Mac Pro isn't technically discontinued yet, but it's pretty close.

It's basically discontinued. It's an M2 chip. It's like a three-year-old chip, and they've had

three generations since then. And the Mac Pro's not getting any updates. And the student of this way XDR just came out. And is better in every way than the prototype XDR, other than being slightly smaller. And lower resolution. Yeah, slightly smaller, but same pixel density. Okay. So I think my next big purchase is going to be those studio displays to replace my prototype displays. And then I was talking about this earlier. Like I'm not sure if I'm going to become the Mac Book Pro guy,

that takes it everywhere and then plugs it in. Or if I still like have like a Mac studio on my

“desk or something like that. But that's what I'm scheming right now is my updated desk setup.”

Do you want to enter? Uh, mine's probably either whatever keyboard convinces me to pre-order it and forget about next or I don't know. I probably want to upgrade a phone for a while because Google keeps screwing me over with this 128 base storage. It's annoying. So I'll probably hold onto this for a while. Yeah, it's actually done of anything. It's hard. It's like my Mac Book M1 Mac's is still kicking it pretty dang hard. So I don't really need to upgrade my computer. I have a little

apartment. It's got air conditioning. Sometimes during the summer. I don't know. I would say, I mean, I've been trying like, it does have to be technology because I've been trying to convince myself to buy a like M7 for like six years. That's technology. Raise your hand if you should buy like M7. Wow. No, yes. Do it. Thank you. That's probably, honestly. I mean, I will probably get a review. Maybe a lot to leave. Oh, what? Maybe a cloud subscription. Quad Max? No. No. All right. Next question.

had to see you guys this year. And I saw a lot of autonomous lawnmowers and stuff. What was that?

What was it from C? I sat really impressed you guys this year that you perhaps are looking for two and a consumer space robot phone. That was momentum to see. Well, they showed it. Did they?

“I think so. Yeah. I'm just kidding. I'm trying to remember what happened. Yes, this year.”

C. Yes is the perfect example of what I say. We don't remember timelines because I could mention something from eight years ago and I'll feel like this year's C. Yes, because it probably stays down. C. Yes for years at a time or the bigger. I will say that this kind of ties into my weather thing. But the autonomous lawnmowers are interesting. Oh, God. We've got several and major blizzards on the east coast this year and someone that I've been following every time

it was a blizzard. He posted a video of his autonomous snowblower clearing his driveway actively while it's snowing so that he wakes up to a clear driveway. And one of them went super viral on the whole world found out about autonomous snowblowers. And then we got another blizzard and it was too much snow for the snowblower and it was like kind of it had to go back to the dock in charge. It was interesting like seeing like a really use case of that thing.

And I thought that was that was kind of like the best case scenario of like an autonomous vehicle that just silently while you're not thinking about it goes out and does work earns you some time and then goes back and charges and goes to sleep. And I thought that was pretty sick. There was one thing that I'm remembering now which is the Seattle Ultrasonic's kitchen knife. That is like essentially vibrates to help cut things better. They did wind up sending us one and

we tried it. There was a short mark as did on it. It was I wanted to love it but it just did not quite accomplish what I wanted it to. And I talked to the team there and they were super nice and they're going to keep trying but I was a little bummed out by unfortunately. We learned that everyone in the studio has bad knife handling skills. I learned that very quick. They had most everyone. Yeah that was being number one. There were some really weirdly shaped cool phones there

“this year. I think that the clicks communicator was very, very cool. You know so I want to try that.”

I want to have like a little weekend or phone that I don't have to display my David disclaimer. Okay the person who launched it was my old roommate. That's a crazy disclaimer. I don't know what to say about that. Yeah true. I also saw that it's a ES or saw that from CES. I was like I'm actually interested and I did actually put for it. No it was just down for a pre-order so. Okay. And not only to support him. We have another question right here.

Hi guys. So this is the second live episode that you guys do and the studio year recap like getting cameras all over was great. So my question is like is there gonna be any more live episodes like this? Something that I've been looking at from Puerto Rico and like one of the big things that we live in a little bubble in the US. And then it's just going out to other countries and seeing technology over there could be something different. Like I'm going to Japan in October

and I'm like super excited about the tech weather now. So like is that been any thought or like having more live episodes mostly if something else out of the country and too? We've. What's also about box setting this up is we get to do it without they handle all the hard work. Like seriously

that people at box here who are setting all this up couldows to you. You do an incredible job

and we appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah we appreciate it. It's really awesome. We've talked about it. Having Harper on the team now gives us a little more flexibility of like possibly being able to set something like that up. It's just a huge undertaking. Maybe you're in the life if you have not seen it. It's an incredible thing. Our studio channel put out just covering literally everything we did last year. It's an hour and a half long. We run on a really efficient and tight schedule.

I mean most of us are flights out for today and we got in at 10 PM last night. So like we do things really fast. So a show like that takes out a huge chunk of what Marquez ultimately loves to be

“which is making YouTube videos. So as much as we'd like to do it I think the first ones would”

probably be around New York City or maybe at a CES or something like that. Or near an event on the West Coast. I mean I love to go out of the country and do so. We can just be entertaining hard for Puerto Rico. I'm just saying. I like what you said about like we're ultimately in our own bubble of like location-wise. It's kind of no matter what. And I got like a super huge dose of this last year I went to China to play an ultimate for the tournament. But ended up like as soon as I landed

I was like this is it. There's first of all 90% of the cars are electric. This is insane. And like being immersed in that culture in that space and realizing like this is its own bubble. But

there's nothing in common. It's incredible. And so then we came back here and I reviewed the

people were super curious about it. And I feel like we should do that more often is sort of poke out of our own bubble and into others and understand like the tech that's running in other places and that's like more advanced than what we see in our own bubble. So I hope to do more of that and maybe we'll go back to China. Evil is smart phones. It's pretty wild. Like all of the European phones that we're not even getting here that have insane feature like the robot phone that we

just didn't know we just talked about it. Yeah. Let's go. Maybe not getting a global launch. So there's just a lot of weird interesting technology in these other countries that we don't even like it's kind of hard to even talk about it because we're not even going to be able to utilize it here. Yeah. That is actually the hardest part is importing a Chinese car into the US and getting a plate on it and register to actually drive it and test it. That same problem is true for every

piece of tech that's not built for this market from phones to computers to cars to everything in between. And the buttons and the maps don't work. Yeah. It's like getting all the entire language. One of the length it's in Celsius and kilometers. I don't know what's going on. But it is worth the challenge to experience the tech that those places have to offer. Yeah. All right. We'll take one more quick break and we'll get back even more of your questions.

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camera, camera stuff. You've let me to get my own camera. But the question I wanted to ask was actually about form factors. I grew up in some of my favorite pieces of technology growing up

where things like the iPod Nano and the very first iPhone and stuff like that. Seeing how

much bigger things have gotten year over year. I remember I have a flip now, which is a close thing I could find to a small phone. But when I was searching, I was hoping that the trend would continue towards what the Aces Zenfone was like. But then the next version got bigger and bigger. I'm wondering if you guys predict or think that the market and sort of tech space will come back towards smaller form factors, or whether they're trying to get bigger and bigger,

it's just going to be matched by like slimmer and slimmer to say about that. It's kind of a question

“real quick. Did we do was flip compact phone and smartphone award this year? I believe it was.”

Do you agree with us that like the flipping phones can start being in our compact form factor? I was definitely wondering about that because it's I mean, it's a square now, but it's still a chunky square. But I wonder if Apple's design choices to go towards Passport styles are going to start encouraging the rest of the phone makers just start looking at smaller phones or whether that bigger iPad space opening is going to be more of the direction people are going to have.

I have something to say about this because I use a small phone up until about three or four months ago and many. Yeah, the iPhone 12 mini and I was kind of a hot 12 mini. I know, right? I was constantly shocked at how many things just didn't work on it. Like how many developers had did not take into account that a screen size even like could be that small. Even like when that

Apple sports app first came out, it didn't load because like things were off screen and I couldn't

scroll the page and so like I want to see these things come back. But there's a part of me that's like we've we've already over the the clip. Like things would need to get re engineered beyond just like different screens. I don't know. I mean Android is like Android is changing a lot to be adaptable to many different types of displays right now and there's actually a little bit of an Android revolution going on in the small phone form factor world right now. There was a startup that just launched

like a square Android phone that everyone's been talking about for the last couple of days. There's that clicks communicator. You know, I have to give my little disclaimer David this way. I just say I was my roommate. And then there's just like a number of weird form factors that are starting to come out in the Android space and the current version of Android is specifically tailored to just

“kind of like grow and shrink and change. And I think that there's always going to be a market”

there. The question is is it enough to mass manufacture a product like this. That's why we always

same result as last time nobody wants to buy it. That's I think that's the key is the is how big

“is the market? Because I think when you talk about small, especially small smartphones, it's one of”

the most interesting segments in tech because if you ask people, they all say, yes, we want the smaller. We all want. We all want in our smaller smartphone. And then when they put it on sale, the bell curve is all people trying to get the biggest phone they possibly can. And so it will be started up. So it will be small market stuff. But the bigger companies are finding out that it isn't worth it to develop a separate small phone when such a few, a lot of people actually buy it.

So it's a sad thing. But I agree. I want that's on phone back. Like I love that phone. But it does seem like it is more niche than the super big companies are willing to put that effort in.

Yeah, I want to try and rapid fire a few because we got a lot of people who walk. Okay,

30 minutes. Okay, 30 minutes. Okay, 30 minutes. Sorry to cut you off Andrew, but I miss small phones too. Yeah, I do

“the worst person to cut off, but that's fine. Anyway, what up here in the front?”

Hey guys, hi, nice to meet you. By the way, Mark, I thought you are way shorter for a while because of the photos you take we just seen and snap at the apple. And my question for the staff photos, I forgot this. Do you guys ever notice or did you guys ever have an inconvenience or notice a bug that was like so small and so inconvenient, but you still remember and it's still a noise to this day? The podcast won't have an hour ago, but we just got done to talk

about this. There is I've tested 300 cars at this point and Andrew's car has a feature that I've

never seen in any other car, which is when you change the volume, a full screen volume knob takes

over the entire screen to show you your volume. So whatever navigation, music, whatever was going on, disappear as and it says here's your volume. That's insane. I've never seen that before. I brought that up on this week's episode. Hopefully you all listen to it after to talk about for like two minutes and I think half an hour into the episode we're still complaining about it. So that's like my biggest annoyance right now. Is that? Yeah, I have an Android TV,

but the way that it works is it's a projector and then there's an Android TV box that goes in the projector and they have two separate volumes for some reason, but you can only access one and it's kind of just like quantum, which one decides to get picked. Like one at one point it's like oh the

“volume's max. It's at 25, but you can't hear it at all and then you have to turn it off and turn it back”

on and then maybe if you flip a coin, maybe you'll be able to turn the volume up. Oh my god, there needs to be a unified system there. That's just put a claw on it, bro. Yeah, maybe cloud can handle it for me. All right, next question. Hi, how are you? Thanks for what you're doing here. I actually wanted to ask about my phones, some accessory phone devices. I think I've just trying to search what the name of the latest one was, but I just saw an article about how people are

getting like devices with their phones, like, you know, they don't have to pull out their phone. I don't know if you've heard of those. Like an accessory phone. The clicks communicator was the one. What's closure? What's closure? What do you think of them? Yeah, it's on phone, baby. Hard self for me. Well, Steph Curry. I have the phone so it was pretty sweet. I don't know. I kind of like the clicks communicator. I just have the phone. It looks interesting. I don't think

I'm a Marquez as a two phone person already. So maybe that's something you could do. That part of the accessory is meant for working and more keyboards. And as a keyboard lover, you'd think I would like it. But phone keyboards don't interest me that much. I think the most difficult thing about this is text message forwarding is that, like, if I'm taking a phone for the weekend, generally, it can have data, but it doesn't have my phone number. Yeah. And if everyone

wouldn't just get on telegram, then it would be easier. I know, but telegram has animations. So yeah, I mean, I would love the idea being able to take something for just the weekend, but if people can't communicate with me, and that's even my concern about the clicks communicator, too. It's like it's a communication phone. Yes, it's great for signals, great for telegrams, great for Slack. But if people are texting me, which in the United States, people still text you a lot,

it's kind of hard to justify something like that. Totally agree. I think it has to be your same phone number. Yeah. Just use WhatsApp? No. No. I was using a minimal phone for a few weeks, last year, until I met my girlfriend, and then decided to switch back to my iPhone, because I thought I was less funny on a physical keyboard. So that's my opinion. We have one question. We should redo that worst takes question. Yeah, I think you shift two votes over to me for that one.

Rose. I love y'all. And that's how our studio. Thank you. I think I have a couple of things to say.

“I think I will open the access, my access text messages. Maybe you can do something I can,”

that's just me. I want to know if I want to know what your pre-production pipeline looks like, I find that pretty fascinating. And also from meteor, from filmmaker, the content creators, could we the film industry sway off to change from 30F to the other one? You won't get off the stage. Now, because I think, by default, it is the best at fierce and should remain the default in this. Sorry, let's talk, let's talk, let's talk. Can I get out, can I just get why?

It's just, to me, it's just most natural. It's just, you have films. That's 25F yet. It's just one more natural. To me, that's just, I just like it. Like valid, valid, okay. All right, you know, well, okay.

So the pre-production stuff. Our pre-production is, we've gotten it pretty streamlined over the years,

which is very exciting to me, someone who loves efficiency. I talk about the octopus analogy all the time. I don't know if you've heard it before, but I think everyone who starts a YouTube channel or really any creative endeavor kind of turns into an octopus, where you're doing a lot. You're on camera. You're also the editor. You're also managing the thumbnails and still graphics, singer also doing all of the back end and the emails and the accounting and you're doing everything.

And our job as a creator, our dream is to be able to like cut an arm off and like hand it to someone and have a small team around you that can kind of help with doing the things that they're really good at. And we've done that, which is really exciting. So I can do my job, which is writing, testing the tech. So I find that that's been, you know, my best way of visualizing it. That said, 30 FPS is definitely the move and I'll tell you why.

It looks, so I used to do a lot of slow pans in my videos and a lot of little slow orbits and videos, especially because I'm trying to show you a gadget or a thing so you can see it before you hold it. And anything under 30 to my eyes when I start doing those slow pans, I start seeing a little bit of shutter, a little bit of stutter. And that was enough for me to go, okay, I can't do 24. It's got to be at least 30.

Then the argument for like 60 and above 30 comes in and that looks a little bit

“surreal and video gamey to me. So that's how I land on 30 being the like ultimate”

perfect tech review frame rate. If I ever do a short film, I might reconsider, but I'm probably going to default at 30. Probably probably going to stick. I started doing 30 for the exact same reason because good fluid heads that were affordable for a college student did not exist. Yep. And I just saw this kind of jumping this. And now my take, which I heard from someone else, I'm just jacking it from them, is that TV is 30 and YouTube is TV. So YouTube should be 30.

Although one more really quick thing in their pre-production, we're really efficient with just because of the we've all been doing it for so long now. Post production, one thing we're really trying to work on lately is we have so many videos coming out of our studio because of the different channels. We're really trying to have multiple eyes on it as much as possible because just when you're you're hitting upload, it's going out to millions of people. We just need to

catch things and one thing we're really trying to work on is fact checking, making sure we're not breaking embargoes and stuff, just lots of different things in there. Other than that, if you haven't watched here in the life yet, it definitely has a lot of our pre-production stuff in there. It's been in, because we're not, we don't make a lot of those mistakes as period, but as we've ramped up all the different channels and we're making so much more stuff, it's been as unexpected.

Oh, this is actually going to take a lot more time than we would have expected. Can I just get a quick time check guys? Five on either three. All right. Perfect. Let's get back here. Sweet. Thank you guys so much. I've been a fan since middle school and I've put things perspective. I graduated college four years ago. Um, I'm not now. My question is, what's your guy's thoughts on how successful Android XR is going to be? Do you think

it's going to be, have a similar marketplace like Meta Ray Bangalore or is it going to be something like Visional West, which no one really uses? I just didn't like simulated things. Anyone see that? No? I don't really know. XR. We're talking about like the the OS, the

“of the whole OS and like, thinking of going into glasses and stuff like that later. Yeah, I think”

the Google Glass 2-3 actually, because they already did Google S2, is going to use, I think the Android XR is just going to be similar to Android, where it needs to be able to fit a number of different form factors. I think there'll be a very small use case for like the VR goggles, but

ultimately what they want to look forward to is the regular glasses. That's what everyone is

actually released anything yet is because it wants to skip over the whole step that Apple kind of stumbled over. You know, Apple thought, oh, we can just put you in a VR headset that sort of also the world around you, but we should just have like a clear glasses display with extra information and be an information. What Google Glass 1 was in the first place? Just want to say, and there

“were 10 years too early. But yeah, I think, I don't know, as a platform, I think it's going to be”

more about that singular use case, even though Google is always about making one platform

able to jump around to multiple different circumstances. Yeah. I think just for that reason alone, the ceiling forward is higher than the vision OS, because there's the philosophy of like make this incredible headset that you are in all the time and then make it smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller or start with something like glasses and then make it more and more capable and more and more capable. And it turns out the glasses thing is what people are more

gravitating towards. So we're going to see more of that. Do we have time for more more? Yeah, three minutes. All right. Maybe two. Hi, Nitish. Nice to see you again. Yeah. That's a whole different deep cut all together. Yeah. Good. Yeah. Yeah. First of all, I wanted to say that you guys

said a lot of stuff about the vision, the MacBook Ultra last year and the other series stuff.

“So you said that last year on south by stage, it happened this year. So maybe I think it should”

say things for Apple and the development pipeline for next year. So that might be a thing. What I wanted to ask is that we have a lot of phones with AI now, almost every phone and every company is trying to do different things, mostly with Gemini. And yesterday also the Gemini integration for phone use came out yesterday morning. Yeah. So how much of that stuff do you actually use in today today? And has it help you? I've made things worse for you.

Yeah. I think Gemini is quite useful in kind of all of its context right now. The actual phone use thing is only on the S26 Ultra right now. So only people who have that phone can even try it. And I think right now it's still limited to like, just calling an Uber and doing Uber eats. Fixers too. I think is on pixels. Fixers are going to get or it might be out for pixels as well.

“Yeah. Yeah. So I think Gemini is just kind of trying to entrench itself into all of Google,”

like they've said multiple times that Gemini is basically the new OS. And I think we're seeing that

every new Android launch is just about Gemini and it will become the entire platform. So whether a not you want to start using AI in your phone, it's just going to be the phone at a certain period of time. Whether or not we actually, you know, just go let it buy something on Amazon for you without actually checking it first. That's going to be a whole different story that we're probably going to cover and length once we get there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't use a lot of AI stuff.

I'm still I feel like it's making my regular Google home worse because I just feel like they forgot about all of that stuff. But yeah. I used the Gemini stuff a little bit to brainstorm. It's just fun to chat with a brainstorm like an early video concept. I think you want more in one 15. My the action button on my phone opens does a clot chat. It's a it's a do we have time for one more the back one. I'm going to try to grab it. You're talking about those rapid files. Go one more

hand. Yeah. A quick question. What are your guys' predictions for the PC space by 23? How are people going to use personal computers? It depends on pricing problems. At this point. Yeah. It's kind of wild saying how much Apple has gained ground in the last two or three years. Microsoft is, you know, they're kind of just forfitting a lot of the personal computer space to Apple and Microsoft is really, really entrenched in the business communication side of things and with the

with server sales and things like that. And obviously Lenovo issues tons and tons of computers to different industries. But I don't know. It just seems like they don't care as much about the consumer side and there's a huge shift that's happening in one particular part of the side overall. What? One minute warning. We do one more right here. Okay. I think it's the last one. Yeah. Hello. So YouTube and other platforms have been trying to push more AI production tools into

their platforms. Yeah. And I think the general consensus of actual content watchers don't really like to engage with AI content. So my question is, who do you assume is actually consuming AI content? I know that we've seen like open AI try to make like slot content of a platform. So who do you think is actually watching this AI content or are they just trying to grasp at straws and hoping something sticks? I can sort of end it with my take on the AI content thing. I think

I think the shape of AI content is one of these of like viewership of it. I think right now,

super low. And it's super novel. So people see an AI video and they go, oh my god, this is AI.

And they actually watch it and they share it and it's interesting and it's spiking. But I do also

“think and maybe this is not even it won't play out the way I think. But I think that people will”

ultimately want to watch human made stuff. They value the human connection. They want the effort

that a human puts into something and they want to reward that and watch that. And that's more interesting. And I think once we get over the novelty hump, I think content whether it's vlogs or

reviews or whatever it is starts to be prioritized is like I want to watch the human version and

“then it goes to the other side of that. So that's what I think. The personal connection. Yeah. Yeah.”

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