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I'm Andrew. I'm David. And it's April. Final. We finally got to April.

I never have to hear tart chicken.

That's maybe not true. I hope it is. I hope it is. We'll see in about 12 months. But as of the day of recording, it's actually April Fool's Day.

So happy April Fool's Day to those to celebrate. We actually dropped videos today that I thought were really fun. You can go back and watch them and they still have actually some value outside of April Fool's Day. I'll put it that way. But in today's episode, we have a ulog for a deceased product.

We have Google allowing you to change your user name on Gmail, which is interesting. Some smart glasses from another new company. A pixel nine, I mean, 10, I mean 11 leak. Which is-- That's so weird what I say, pixel eight.

I mean it's seven. Really brand new stuff. And we're also going to name our top five apps of all time. I have my mount Rushmore and then some honorable mentions. I've got to pick one from honorable mentions to graduate to a top five.

I will do that mentally at some point during this podcast. Yeah, right now I only have four. I'm just going to let the fifth one come to me. That's a good idea. I like that.

What are we going to overlap? I feel like we're going to overlap. That's fine. We don't have to agree on our top five. We're going to have to bring it to the table.

Probably for the comments to debate how wrong we are, who has the hottest tricks, who is the coolest takes.

“Anyway, did anybody have a did they even test this for this?”

Oh boy, do I. So recently, I have been trying to get into my PayPal account, because I haven't used it in so long that the last time I used it, I had a different phone number. So I go to log in.

It's over. Yeah, it's a wrap. And they're like, hey, we just sent you a code, a six digit code. And like, to what? Like, I don't have that number anymore.

So fast forward three days. And multiple customer service reps later.

They were finally able to get me to reset my password with my email after.

But it makes no sense because the whole time I call, they have you, like, first with the little AI robot thing. Verify who you are, not only with the phone number, but with your last four of the social. So I should be able to just change my phone number, right?

From there. With the AI, like, just let me do it. They know it's me, but they refuse to do it. To the point that they had to do like a crazy reset on their side, so that I couldn't log in for 24 hours or attempt to log in.

Or they would think it was a security thing. And then after 24 hours, I had to call back and get someone else on the phone. And then they could be like, oh, yeah, now we can do like a hard reset on your password. I say all this to say, phone number two factors stupid. There are apps for this. We've solved this problem. Stop being lazy.

PayPal is one of the biggest companies. And they're still using phone number two factor. And it was just so frustrating, so annoying. Adam famously made a video on Android Authority. Don't trigger me, David.

A long time ago called that we should get rid of phone numbers. And people are very angry. People made great points.

“Maybe you should not have gotten rid of your phone number.”

None of this would have ever happened. That's fair. Well, if you just use pass keys, this would not be a problem.

You use the authenticator app, PSA, PSA thing you'll never have to test that processing your life.

All right. Okay. So this week, we made two different shorts so far. And I say so far because of my keep going. But the idea was kind of fun. It was to take the same photo on every single iPhone generation that's everyone made.

To shout out, John, real quick. This was his. He was basically like, we've done these every Apple phone every Google phone.

The short version of the shorts version of this is take a photo with everyone and just let's see how it goes. That's really cool like in the sending order. Yeah, because they talk, you know, these companies talk about the smartphones camera so much that you'd assume there'd be like a huge difference year to year of a lot of these things. You take all these and by the way, it's like kind of a hilarious process of taking 17 straight photos with all these different phones. We have to fire them all up. Get them all set up.

Make sure they're all in their default settings. Sit still for 15 minutes while we get every single one perfect we lined up. Take all 17 photos. But then like throwing them all in the timeline and seeing them back to back. In broad daylight, you might have watched that first short.

Not a lot of difference, especially year to year with a lot of these iPhones. Didn't shock me because in broad daylight, that's like the perfect best case scenario.

“I think it starts to break down around like the iPhone 4s.”

So when you watch the low light one, that is much more that exposed a lot more of the differences between the sensor sizes. You know, we have the years that they switch from four megapixels to eight megapixels to 12 and it's 12 for a while and they bump it up again. You can see those differences. You can also see the first iPhone that gets night mode, which is the 11. So there's more way more interesting information in that second one of low light. I think we'll do more because we're it's fun though.

I'm not even narrating them. I might later make a long form like what we learned video about all this stuff, but maybe we'll do like all the Google phones because we know there's like a moment where the pixel gets really good camera. Maybe we'll do a Samsung phones one because we've reviewed every Samsung phone. We can keep you on with this stuff and maybe if comments, if you have good comments, let us know what you want to see.

I think a good close up photo would be interesting because close up photos got good in the last 10 years, but they were always really bad before.

So that can be fun too. I'll say two things about it. One is while the actual end photo a lot of them might look different. The like UI and interface and taking the photos was I took all the photos in the first one. It gets real slow real fast. Like taking the pictures are just such a nicer experience in the newer ones. And I think the way after posting this, I realized this short went really viral is how many people just straight up stole all of the content in it and posted it.

And posted it all over social media. Yeah, yeah, I mean I posted a video because people like to take like a frame or two out of it and then post them as their own post basically. It's really annoying that we do this thing of like this goes from 17 and you get to watch all the way down to one and then someone goes, I'm just going to clip out the two final things and post it with no credit on Twitter and get 5 million views. It's infuriating that does happen. It happened all over, I mean Instagram, everything, even even posting at MKBHD feels really crap because like maybe it goes to you, but I don't know.

At least tag me monetizing all of these different social media platforms to just allow stolen content like that has destroyed some media. Yeah, monetization over engagement is is probably the worst thing that's happened to social media for sure.

“I think you should still be able to get your precious engagement and tag the source.”

You can still have more of that. You can still have more of that. Please do that. But that's also like the just comparing the final two so you don't even go watch the like why would you watch the content that's a spoiler that's like taking everyone of our reviews and just posting the last frame with the final sentence across it and spamming all of Twitter. Which now it might have given someone that I got.

You summarized this video for me, please. People love taking the title and thumbnail over review and then just commenting about it as if that's the review because the packaging of the video. But there's way more nuance to the video. Anyway, that happens a lot. I was going to say something else about this.

Oh. Since this was every iPhone, we had to get all the photos from the iPhones to my computer to edit it. And the latest iPhones are easy. You just open up air drop and air drop to the Mac. I was surprised at how far do you, David, how old the iPhone do you think I was able to air drop the photo to myself.

For us, that's exactly right. Yeah, that is the newest, the oldest iPhone that I was able to air drop to myself. After that, we had to fun fact on this. Yeah. So I did the final four or five of them.

“I was like, looking online, how do I get these out?”

Because it used to be iTunes, right?

We had to, it was basically everything with a 30 pin connector.

Yeah. I had to do. And I'm searching on Reddit and people are like, oh, use what's it called image capture on on Mac. On Mac. It could see all of the files, but it wouldn't open them or import them.

And then I'm just like, you know what? Windows file management is so much better than Apple. I literally all had to do was plug it in and I could just go into it like a hard drive and pull it in as a drive. So it was just easier to pull it out on a Windows computer than it was on the company that makes it. So top the bottom integration, my butt.

If you have an older thing. They figured it out somewhere around the forest.

I think Apple has always been forward.

They've been not wanting people to have to even think about folder structures.

“And that's why the iPad didn't even get folders until way, way, way, way too late.”

So everyone wants them, obviously, but the whole what's a computer campaign. Like the kids don't care about it. It's genuinely crazy how many young people don't know like the file structure of computers. Yeah. Yeah, learn that recently.

That seems like a pretty fundamental thing. Obviously our parents grew up with weather. Yeah, our parents grew up with other fundamentals that we think is ridiculous. It turns out young people are growing up, not caring about file structures. Yeah.

I saw a meme that was like, if you're Gen Z, the tech literacy bar is whether or not you installed Minecraft mods when you were a kid. And if you didn't do that, then you don't understand computer file structures. There's a weird video game thing like that. That is the source of every major software engineer right now. You either bought it, runescape, you played Gary's mod, you installed Minecraft mods.

There are different robots. Roblox is going to be the new one. Yeah. I mean, my gateway was definitely Android and like in flashing ROMs. That was my gateway to like learning technology.

We're a little doing that for the Google phone. We're setting up right now. Yeah. I do have a super super niche version of that, which I've brought it up. I think once on this podcast before.

I played a truck simulator game on PC called 18 wheels of steel. And you could download your own mods from these forums. And then drop another right folder structure. And you could have your own custom trucks. And you could change the attributes of the truck.

Get the text file, change the engine power, drop that in there. That was what any of them promised to take in them. I was going to do this is like a skyrim. Yeah. That is amazing.

Have you seen the skyrim with the dragon flying down. But it's just Thomas the tank. It's like breathing fire on people. Yeah. But file structure.

No one knows. Listen, if you want your computer to go faster. Fun system 32. Delete that shit free. You're going to fly.

Yeah. It is funny actually. You know how the boomers will be like. You kids even know what a floppy disk is. I feel like the newer version of that is the kids know what a file folder is.

Have they ever seen a physical file folder? Well, no one's ever seen a physical file. Like the Melola. Yeah. Like Manila folder.

Oh, like a Manila folder. You are talking physical folder. Yeah. Oh, damn. Yeah.

My first ever job I had to like a filing cabinet. Like a filing cabinet.

I kids probably have never seen files.

I had a moment like that recently because I was thinking about how. Like in our parents generation like inbox and out boxes were a thing. Like you would literally have to box is on your desk.

“Remember that was an inbox and an out box.”

And it occurred to me that those sit. On your desktop. And I was like, that's what the data. The file structure. The folders sit on the desktop.

Just like. And that's when I realized that every desk I've ever owned. My whole life had a computer on it. So yeah. And on your desktop.

It's like the your desktop is your home, you know. Yeah. That and everything sits on top of your desktop. And then also like it makes sense. The original conception of the desktop was things would only live there.

Temporarily before you move it into your documents folder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They realize we're all orders.

Yeah. It's tough. So everything. Yeah. And we're like in our 30s, bro.

I know. I know. It's like not good. But it's interesting. The thing you brought up earlier.

I proved that I'm actually Genzi is I learned my first scripts. And like, how do you use terminal and stuff from my crap. Perfect. Nice. Very good.

Cool. Well, speaking of computers, old computers. Apple did finally officially wait until right after we recorded the podcast last week. Two killed the Mac Pro. It was like the day after.

I've never been more sure that they waited until Thursday afternoon.

Who else? I've never actually. No one. Yeah. I mean, Thursday afternoon.

Yeah. After noon part is how I know. Because it could even do a break. Yeah. So they, you know, they kept it on the site for a while.

It was always available. But it hasn't gotten up. They'd sense the M2 generation M2 Ultra Mac Pro. I've had it on my desk. I talked about in the in the desk tour that I did.

Which is like this product is effectively end of life, but not officially dead yet. Last week, they officially removed it from the Apple store. Removed it from their website. And now they've confirmed. I think from a statement somewhere.

I don't remember. Nine to five. Nine to five reached out. Yeah. They said they're not going to, you know, update it anymore.

So yeah. I felt like they only made that product because people had been begging for it for so long. And it just was very useless. No. It was just giving me this look like the Mac Pro.

I was sure. Yeah. Everyone looked at you in the audience. I remember that.

“I remember being at, it was probably dub dub.”

And they said, new Mac Pro. And I felt everyone turned around. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, the Mac Pro, the idea of the Mac Pro is it's basically just a bigger enclosure

Yeah. People missed on was really facilitating this ecosystem of PCI expansion accessories. There's a couple. I had an OWC SSD. I have that still on my Mac Pro.

Yeah. There's some networking cards. There's still some GPUs that are potentially useful for very specific applications like decoding video.

But it really never materialized as like a really vibrant ecosystem because Thunderbolts

good. And you can just plug in. Basically anything you need via Thunderbolt in a Mac studio and get effectively the same thing. PCI is still faster, but Thunderbolts really, really fast now. So the market for people who can't get it done with Thunderbolt.

But Ken with the Mac Pro was about three people. I'm not even one of those people. I could just be using Thunderbolt. But yeah, the Mac Pro, I'm sure nobody bought that thing for a couple of years. Yeah.

It finally was officially deceased. And it's funny because they made the version that had the feet and then they made the version that was supposed to go in like server centers. Yeah. The rack version.

“And it was like, did anybody buy that for server centers?”

I just don't think. I know one person who had a rack mounted Mac Pro. Did they just bite for personal use though? And they just happened to buy the rack mounted version. They did bite for personal use.

They bought it as a touring computer for lighting and video stuff for like pro arena shows. Okay. And it was just way more convenient to have it rack mounted because then you could put it directly in a flight case and get to a venue. You know, it's working really in a max studio.

Yeah. It was going to say, did they? Do you know if this person used PCI cards? Yeah. Did it.

Because when you're doing like really complex video output stuff, you need like a, like what's called like a deck link from black magic. It's like a really intense video I owe that. Yeah. Yeah.

You guys know what? I don't even expect. It was just, it was a confusing product.

The second it switched to Apple Silicon.

Because then now it was like all this unified memory. No more expandable RAM. And GPU support was effectively nothing. But they still have PCI slots. So you could still do some very specialized stuff.

“And it was like, I mean, don't you have like 18 terabytes of SSD storage?”

I have a 64 terabyte PCIE SSD. And I speed test it to this day. Like I have equivalent Thunderbolt 5 version of the same thing. And it gets three times a speed from the PCI SSD. But three times and also very fast speed is still like it was 9,000 versus 3,500.

So it was like, yeah, I, I should have been using a max studio all these years ago. But I was stubborn. I didn't buy a new one. I think when they make the whole fully soon, make the M5 ultra seems like what they're going to do.

I've heard, yeah, it's coming soon. That I think is what I will finally upgrade to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And so you just have a Thunderbolt drive. Just Thunderbolt. Yeah. You, I mean, you almost. Uh, why can't I think of the word?

Uh, manifested this because like within the month before you just kept me, like, I don't think I need this anymore. I think I could just use the studio with this and then you see. Yeah.

And then Apple was like, finally he said it.

Get rid of it. I did. The, the studio display review is the studio's the new pro. Because that couldn't have been any more clear. They literally came out with the new studio display XDR and discontinued the pro display

in the same announcement. And it was like, oh, no more pro because studio is good enough. And here's the new thing. And then the Mac Pro sitting over there kind of shaking like, yeah. Yeah, that's true.

So we know Mac Studio is already more than enough for all of the pros who are using Macs for all these things. There's a couple who are still using pro display. There's a couple who are still using Mac Pros. They'll still use those things.

But it's like studio is where it's at. Yeah. So yeah. Kudos to the 95 Mac people who made their banner image. A Mac pro upside down with its little feet up and just looks like a piece of

group. So funny. House of a quick question for all of you, sure. For funsies, I put Mark has his maxed out M2 Ultra Mac pro in the trade and program for Apple.

What do you think you would get back? How much did you buy it for? It was over 10, 10 racks. Are we doing closest to that one? Which is, I'll just do that.

Considering that it started at 7,000. Yeah, the Intel ones were like 50,000. 50,000? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This has, it was maxed out.

It had 8 terabytes of storage and it had 192 gigs of RAM. Unified memory. I think I spent 13 on it or something. I don't think Apple's going to give me very much.

“I think they would give me less than five.”

Probably 3,000. Probably less. I guess. Because remember the 50, wasn't the $50,000 one? I tried the trade-in and it was like 1,000 bucks.

I thought those were 500 to all recycle it for you. I think it was 1,000 bucks. Was that because Apple Silicon had come out and so the Intel ones were like useless. Just melt it down from metal. Basically.

Yes, for scraps. I think they're going to give you a G. $280. That would be insolent. That would be insolent.

That's less than an iPhone. That's how much it takes to ship it. I think they will recycle it for you. I'm going to say a G.

It is 2665.

That's not, it's that bad.

I almost wonder if the trade-in program got the memo that these got discontinued yet.

“But I think that price will go down very fast now.”

Just an M2 Ultramax Studio. But that means in three years, right? 2023. Is it when you bought this? So I'm like, oh, yeah, something like that.

It's a fifth of the value. Yeah. Yeah. You can get those. That's totally crazy.

M4 Max Max Studio for that price. It's still a crazy computer. Yes, it's a really dear computer. How much does it cost an eBay? The thing is just how good Apple Silicon keeps getting.

Remember, I benchmarked them M5 Max MacBook Pro 16 inch. And it's the fastest single threaded Mac CPU core ever. And it's like most of the stuff you do. That's the thing. Like most of the stuff I do on a Mac most of the time is not editing.

It's like all the regular stuff. It's writing. It's the, you know, whether it's thumbnails or like all the everyday web browsing stuff emails that I do. And then 5% of the time, it's really, really heavy video editing.

So all the sacrifices that I made in daily usability to go into video editing. It's like those probably should just be two different computers. Yeah. And so now, yeah, it's just the new stuff is good at both. These vary a lot for your spec.

“They've sold an eBay for as little as $2,500.”

And as high as $7,800. I, you know, it's funny to complain about how little Apple would give me for it. But how much would I pay for that computer now?

You could, you wouldn't, I would never buy it now.

Why, yeah, because you could get way better computer. For the, yeah, I guess the RAM is in the, Because I don't need the PCI expansion in the next studio. Yeah. Yeah.

Damn. That's crazy. See you later. See you later. Sure there's not only somewhere that has like a couple of these doing

some very niche business stuff that would just go buy this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping, I think, secretly hoping for like a really sick video card

that would like decode right to earner, like an afterburner card. Yeah. And that just never happened. Also, like, as much as I'm, you know, I love these big, 16 inch MacBook Pros.

They're not like thermally perfect. Not known. I mean, like you do benefit from having the, Yeah. The big, the big, the big, the change.

Yeah. My studio. Or I was going to say the Mac Pro. Like, even though you're not going to get a chipset, that's like, you know, you probably still get better speeds on a thermally

throttle, 16 inch and five max. But I don't know. There's something nice about no one. You're cool. I, I would say the best case scenario for Abyslok in today

was if they put the highest end chip in the Mac Pro and just let us, let us cool the crap out of it and do whatever we want. Yeah. But that's another story.

RIP Mac Pro. So if you're still here watching this with us, then you probably like tech.

“So you should subscribe if you're, if you're hanging around here”

on whatever podcast platform of choice. Anyway, this has been a crazy week for, kind of like software development. There was like an axios NPM hack early this week. Then axiom axiom.

Thank you. We were just reading axioms. We were just reading axioms. That's a, there was an NPM thing. Whatever.

We're not the place for that. What we are the place for is to laugh at the fact that anthropic accidentally leaked their own clawed code code to the internet. And it is now freely floating around Twitter.

But fair warning, be careful if you go looking for this code because if you get caught with it on your computer or if you're sharing it or whatever, there's like legal terms of service things where you could be sued by anthropic,

which we just found pretty ironic. It's hilarious. You stole our stuff. We stole all the other stuff. Yeah.

Wait, wait. We still, not you guys. Yeah. It's like, no, no. It's not theft if all you do is train a model on it.

But also, don't train your models on our code. It's theft. Yeah. That was the way. Love clawed.

Pay for it. Happy with my $20 a month leaving my bank account. But still, jokes on you, buddy. This is, but this is not.

I will never feel bad for an AI company getting anything stolen

from you. Sorry. They have all stolen everything. And they're just like, the people do that. Yeah.

Yeah. All this stuff is like ongoing. So by the time you're listening to this, there's probably been way more developments. But just be aware.

Yeah. But there's some interesting stuff aside from getting to laugh and do the little gestardance. Like, there's some interesting stuff in the leak. For example, they were planning this thing called "Buddy,"

which was like a seemed like a Tomagachi style interface for Claude. And there were these goofy, do you know what? A distillation attack? Yeah. Nope.

So distillation attack. You take like a pipsqueak AI and then you take a big chat AI. You take the pipsqueak AI just prompts the chat AI over and over and over again. Like learns from it. Yeah.

And like pays attention to how it's doing. It's reasoning. And then it trains itself on the kind of reason

And it's a way you could make something weak.

Like a 13 million parameter.

Quen. Learn from. Something like Claude. Opus 4.6. Yeah.

And there were these goofy anti distillation measures in there that would like create fake API calls. That like, that's so that it would be like poison the training data for like these distillation attacks. Nice.

There's a lot. I'm anthropic. I'm sorry this happened, but also. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Well, moving on to the biggest news of the week.

Possibly the entire decade.

“Did you guys create your email accounts in like 2003?”

Yes. Long time ago. For Gmail. Well, that's the problem. It wasn't Gmail.

All my cringy emails are on AOL.com. Oh, Yahoo, Hotmail. You're not still using them, right? No. Yeah, okay.

Well, Google has just announced that they are allowing you to

change your email address. Yes. This is a big deal because I have five email addresses. Oh, boy. Yes.

Big deal. So now you're able to change your account user name once every 12 months on your Google account. Your previous address will still be saved as an alternate email address and can still be used to sign into your account if you want.

But you can switch back to your alternate at any time. So if you have like meme Lord 72 ad Gmail.com, you can now become. Now you can be meme Lord 67. That's right. See, I thought I thought this in along those lines where I have a professional email account

because I had the foresight when I was a young high school student to just like use my name. Well, I want to change it now. Yeah. No, I'm a nerd. I want to change it to meme Lord 67.

Yeah, that's true.

“So does this work where you kind of have like a trail now of these names and all of them still work?”

Like you've had your old username. Then you change it to the new username. Yeah. But you still get emails if people email the old username. Yeah.

And then a year later you change it again. You still get both old. I don't know how that would work. Okay. Google will kill this program before one year.

You have a spy so it doesn't matter how that would work. But it uses email alias. So I would assume it would work. It's like a mail forward. Yeah.

I was starting my land grab of all the best email addresses. Just keep going. But you could do that already by just creating your Google accounts. Yeah. But then I had to log in to each one of them.

Yeah, true. My so excited. My two questions are one. Aren't most of the reasons we have bad email addresses because the one we wanted was taken already. So like by the time I try and change it to just Andrew Manganelli at gmail.com.

That's probably been taken for five years. I haven't. I'll try. I saw a lot of people online getting the ones that they thought were taken before. I'm even longer taken to be fair.

They've probably at this point perched a lot of inactive accounts. I know Yahoo did that a while ago. They just perched a ton of accounts that were in use for extra amount of time. So maybe my dream is to just get at at them everywhere. Because yes, it is my actual name.

But it is also such a common name that it is like completely anonymous. So that ain't gonna happen in your dreams. Every time the new social media app comes up and I rush in early beta to get at at them. There's already someone because I guess internally at the company name.

I don't know.

So literally the first guy.

It's the first letter of the album. You're still. Yeah. Sorry bro. Did you get it on T2?

I did not get it on T2. It was like Adam three four eight or something like that. You couldn't get out of it. Oh, it's got dad. That's it.

Dad is just God. So I guess he was first. He was before Adam. My other question on this is. There's so many websites that use email as the username for login.

So I'm assuming the old ones still work. They still work. Yeah. This is going to break something along that line somewhere. Almost definitely.

And it's going to cause. Yeah. I was thinking because I, you know, my original email address that I ever made, which is so cringe. It is my login for everything because I was going to just bully you into saying it. But maybe you shouldn't.

Yeah. I will not say. Last name is two else, right? Yes. Okay.

You have like 30 seconds to get Andrew Magnelly at gmail.com. [laughter] Wait. It is available right now. Yeah.

I'm glad we got you. Oh. Is that real? How can I do this? Okay.

I'll show you how to do it. So go to your gmail. Wait. Not live on the five. Please.

Okay. Andrew. I mean, I do literally have it. It actually says it's available. Yeah.

But I'm not. I'm not actually going to claim it. But for it. Yeah. I'll do it later.

Yeah. My full name was taken by a famous marine biologist. Wait. You use it for logging into everything.

“I don't remember what I was going to say.”

Totally. It's lost my chance. Oh. Okay. Speaking of losing the train of thought.

Nothing is going to make glasses. What? This is a roller. Famous. Nothing leaker Mark German.

Road and article about nothing potentially working on smart classes for 2027 or like losing the train of plot.

Yeah. Everybody is working on glasses. Allegedly. Uh. Hey.

Oh, go real quick into this. There's not a ton of information.

“They apparently will have built in cameras, microphones, and speakers.”

No display. AI features would be offload. Just smartphone in the cloud. Essentially. Better ray bands.

Yeah. But not meta. So there's that. Yeah. Like, I'm not going to lie.

They don't need glasses. Okay. I mean, they don't need cameras. I prompt an AI once every two days minimum. Okay.

I'm a heavy AI user.

Never once have I given it a prompt that required a photograph.

Sure. So sometimes I take screenshots and include that in my prompt. You've never uploaded a photo. Never. I've uploaded a screenshot.

Yeah. I uploaded screenshots of my computer screen. But never once have I ever needed an AI that the input needed a photo. And I'm sorry. The only reason these stupid glasses have cameras is because they know they're going to sell all the data.

They illegally scraped. Wow. That is true.

“I think it might only be you that has never uploaded a photo to one of these.”

Also guys, you can just take pictures of videos without AI needing to send it to AI. But I want these because there's so many times your glasses. You can do it with your phone. Not if I'm holding Wayne with two hands. Yeah.

So there's a lot of. I will. I just. I will remind you that the number one use case of the meta ray bands for most people is first person to hands free video.

Yeah.

There is always going to be the argument of I can do this with my phone because most stuff that these tiny computers can do.

You have a computer in your pocket. They can do all of that already. But there's this race for like putting the thing on your face because kind of like AI, a lot of them believe that this is the next frontier of computing or whatever. And if the smartphone's going to die and it's going to be glasses next.

Well, I better get in now. So they're all they're all trying it. They're all getting in something on the ground floor to have a first gen glasses product next year. What? Well, nothing's advantage be seems like they're going to.

I mean, they do design. So they're going to probably have some fun with design. Do you think Google will announce the Gemini glasses that I owe this year? Like officially. I think that would feel about right because we've heard about this like being worked on for a while.

And we've seen it and demos that I owe last year. I think they're very useful. I think the the feature that I got the most of the kick out of was like coming out of the subway or coming off of like getting out of a taxi and having maps navigation. Like look through the camera and figure out where you're oriented and put an arrow where you're supposed to be going right away.

That's super useful. And I feel like the Google one like Google Glass did this in 2012. Well, Google Glass would not orient it on the display in front of me. It would show me like what street I should be looking for and that I'd look for the street sign. Not that that's that difficult.

But it's just a magic of I pop out and it's like go this way. Yeah, pretty sweet.

“Yeah. So like they're going to all try to come up with their own killer features and their own reasons for why you should buy their version.”

Am I shocked that nothing's making this? No. They also are the same ones that we're like, we don't have to have a flagship one every year just because everyone's doing it. But they got to make glasses. Yeah, Carl Pay is also a big, big AI guy, so.

Yeah, but I genuinely believe that if they release these classes without any internet connection and just the ability to record with classes, they will sell just as many. That's I agree. I agree with that. I am essentially excited for these because one, I think nothing does make cool looking products.

I think these might look pretty cool. I think these are going to be cheaper because it's nothing, which is like then I wouldn't feel bad paying that money because I would just be wearing them as sunglasses. I'm not the, I don't feel like wearing fake lenses and fake glasses like in case for everything. So I would just buy these as sunglasses. And honestly, the AI is probably going to suck because it's nothing.

So I don't care. I just want to take some videos with Lane sometimes.

There were first person videos where I can use both my hands.

And like this will probably be cheaper. And also, I'll still give nothing a ton of credit for this. Both their new phones has a red recording light on it. So hopefully these glasses will have an actual real recording light. So people can tell when you're recording a last day.

It would be so funny and it wouldn't also not surprise me. But we're like, I think appropriately assigning a lot of the attributes of nothing's current phones to what we think these glasses will have. Yeah. And like the headphones too. Did you like the headphones design?

I'm trying to remember. So I, I know. I like the earbud design. The earbud design. It's fun design.

So like it's fine. Most people with glasses on your face. I'm guessing here, but they kind of want them to sort of fade away and just like look like glasses and not draw too much attention. No, I want glyphs. I'm like, because there's other people who are like, you could get the transparent glasses.

You can have the computer showing in the lights and all those things. Those are the best better ribbons. The clear ones. No, the best looking better ribbons. They're really the most high now.

I think they're the coolest ones. I look, what I was just about to say is all you people that bought those limited edition clear ones. I know you think they look cool. They really look sick. They look the same.

It depends on where you are. It's very specific to where you are.

Sure. On Meta's camp on Meta's campus mostly is where I was experiencing this. But if you're just kind of like out around in a normal place, you're having the computer on your glasses. Look, computer on your face. Look is not as, I'm appreciated.

It was like the same thing with Google Glass. Google Glass when I was testing them as a student in in in Car, in Hoboken, New Jersey. I remember walking around like Hoboken where in Google Glass. Feeling unbelievably self conscious. I feel everyone looking at me.

I'm wearing a computer on my face. But like you guys don't know. Like I got the directions up here. Like I got the notifications up here. It's like the meme of the guy in the corner.

It's such a computer on my face. It's such an isolating, like weirdly anti-social thing. That's what I'm looking for. But now this is going to be the thing where like if Glasses blow up and everyone has glasses, then the design actually becomes a part of like why you might pick one of these.

If I'm just always, well, no, look like a creep if it's just that's recording.

But if you're recording, no one's going to want to come up and talk to me. The design is very important.

“And that's why Google is partnering with like Gentle Monster.”

You know, like Meta did Rayman. Because it's going to be the car phone collab of the Glasses world. Yeah. And you're putting a computer on their face. You need it.

I think everyone has to partner with some existing like we make glasses. People want to buy company because just like Google learn from this from Glass already. They had a compelling product. That was not only 15 years too early, but nobody wants to wear an obvious computer on your face. Yeah. So if you just have it in glasses and it just looks like regular glasses, you're already at the peak of what people want.

Yeah. So we'll see some of that. Dibs on review in it. I think they're clear out of it. I think yeah, I was a June.

It's June. I'm sorry. It's May 17th.

I'm expecting Android, Gemini, and AI glasses.

It is mostly just AI. Yeah. But I mean, they showed off the glasses early last year, I.o. So I feel like they got to be ready to launch them, right? Um, not necessarily.

Yeah. Sometimes they just show stuff off. I mean, met as like eating everybody's lunch right now. Yeah. They're like three years ahead of everybody else.

It was funny. Met a show to off the stuff they're working on. And then suddenly it was, you could buy it. Which was crazy. Yeah.

So yeah. We'll see. All right. Speaking of Google, Quick thing, we did see some pixel 11 leak renders start to pop out.

And shocker.

A lot of similarities to the pixel 10.

Like a lot. No way. Matter of fact. I saw it. I saw it on my timeline.

And I thought, oh, another pixel 10. That's what it looks like in color.

“I honestly just saw thinner bezels and more RAM.”

That's all I saw as like expected new thing. What I saw. So it's from on leaks. The CAD drawings that are then rendered. It does seem like maybe thinner bezels.

It also will be 0.1 millimeter thinner than the pixel 10. But don't get too excited because the pixel nine was already. 0.1 millimeter. This is the same dimension as the pixel nine. Just pixel 10 had to maybe be a little thicker because of the better.

Or the magnets zero point one. Um, some of the stuff. And this is really early and not confirmed. But I'm still seeing people say this is going to be. 120 gigabyte base storage and that's Google.

I promise you if it comes out 120 gig base storage same price. I will do everything in my power to convince Mark has to give this bust of the earth because I tried real hard last time. But 16 E came out. Yeah.

I will lose my ****. I think this is the same. If because I'm again assigning what would happen in the past. I think if tensor g six is again underwhelming and not much of a, you know, big improvement from d g five.

And it's the same price and it's the same cameras and it's the same design. Same dimensions, same features and same battery and same 120 gigs of storage.

“Uh, I think that takes the front for bust of the years so far.”

Like what worst deal has come out so far. Something worst will happen. I guarantee. I'm pretty sure something worse. It's like we got to have a lot of time.

But that would be incredibly disappointing. I will say and this is just on the renders so nobody really knows. But people are saying that it doesn't seem like there's a thermometer sensor on it anymore. Oh no.

So you know if you were working your meat with your pixel. Then RIP to you. Because you can't do that anymore. Yeah. I'm surprised it's not already gone.

I'm crazy. I don't want to go. I don't know if it's actually we 120 gig base. But if it is. We'll see.

We'll give him a chance. If Apple is really the like the budget, not budget, not budget. I did not say budget price. Price conscious big player in the US in 2026.

Hey, watch SE 17. E.O. E.O. I.P. I've been just base 17 was great.

They 17 at true. Okay. Andrew. Apple shill over here. That's crazy.

Well, you know what's, you know what's the opposite of changing a lot every time. You know what's super consistent. Thing we do every single time. Trivia.

It's consistent that we always get it wrong.

Yes. Go on. We got to do an extra giganzas soon by the way. Soon. We had a conversation about extra giganzas yesterday.

It's exciting. But it probably. We probably won't see an extra giganzas till June.

“That's when I think it makes the most sense.”

So you'll have many more weeks to stock up on points. That's what's really manifesto told me. And then it didn't happen until a year later. I'm going to start studying. There will be there will be another trivia extra giganza in 2026.

We'll return in the benches. Yeah. But we are we are reaching the point where. It's getting really hard to come up with extra giganzas questions because we've done a few too many of them now. But guys.

Yes. We just talked about yet another pixel leak. Seems like pixels leak more than. My faucet. I was going to say I don't know anything as an notorious for leaking other than pixels.

Quite good. Sitting right in front of me. But. But. But.

There was an iPhone that didn't just leak leaked so badly. Yeah. That gizmoto was able to do a full tear down because they found it left at a bar. Yeah, we know this. Which iPhone was it?

Simple. I remember this. Simple questions deserve simple points. There's so many. If you get stories that spiral out of this story.

Yeah. This is like an all time Steve Jobs. This man.

Like real never we're never going to get another leak story.

I don't think so. I think that's the pen ultimate. Yeah. This is what everyone who does leaks now dreams of. Yeah.

The engineer that leaked that phone. He he vanished. It's sort of just like. And yeah. I don't even have leakers dream of it.

“Because didn't they sue the hell out of the guy who took it from the bar?”

A lot. Yeah. Yes. Definitely sued. Oh yeah.

Because it was stolen property. They the police got involved. There's a whole thing. Yeah. The president who know the story already know which phone it was.

Yeah. If you don't. You're going to find out. I don't know. You'll find out by the end of this episode.

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And we also decided to do something slightly ridiculous, which is identify and rank the 50 best Apple products of all time.

“After a lot of hours of debating, I think we finally got there.”

That's on the Vergecast this week, along with the state of open AI as it raises a ton of money, tries to go public and tries to convince you that you also love AI. All that on the Vergecast wherever you get podcasts. All right, welcome back. We've got to settle something here.

Last week on the pod, I mentioned, and it may or may not have been the title, that flighty was a top five app of all time. Unbelievably useful, super good. If you use it, you know. And it turns out to be kind of a hot take.

There's a lot of people who like a lot of other apps. I decided it would be fun if we all actually Andrew decided this. If we all brought our top five apps to the table. It's kind of clothing. I want to see if you're really going to put it in your top five apps when we make you list your top five.

Yeah, I actually thought about it now for a while. I went through both, I went through both my iPhone and my Android phone. I really thought about this. And I've got my top five apps and my honorable mention. If it's not in the top five flighty's going to be really sweet.

[laughter] It's a bit of a long week. Really good point. I can start it off if you want. Yeah, we all asked everyone to do it.

So that's what we're going to do. So there's one question I had about this. Because you specified mobile apps, not desktop apps. Does that include tablet apps? Because that, yes, because that altered my list.

“For my question on desktop apps, is that not just software?”

Yeah. I guess it's just software. But there's so many web apps. You're adding top five progressive web apps. [laughter]

I also think there's not that many good apps. It's a spirit of it. I was just about to really get it. I'm going to do it. I'm only phone.

So no staff. I had no procreate. Yeah. Okay, yeah. Let's go just mobile phone.

Okay. Top five mobile apps. I have my top five.

I'm going to give my honorable mentions first that just barely missed my top five.

Copilot. Finance app. There's a lot of apps like it. Not Microsoft Copilot. There's a lot of apps like it, but it's just the best one.

What is it? It helps you log into your accounts, your bank accounts. You can see all of your transactions and source through things. Budget through things. Keep your keep an eye on it.

There's lots of apps like it. But this is one of the best ones. In my opinion, it's the best subscription. I think there's a subscription tier. I don't want to comment.

Let me see. There is a subscription tier. I pay for it. Is it worth it? It's $9.

It was worth it. $9. Mine broke recently. And I've been going back and forth with their support for about three months trying to get it fixed.

And they just sort of were like, yeah, it doesn't work. And I was just sort of like, Neither does my credit card. It's not my credit card. It's it stops sinking with my business.

That's it. And so my, my, my, my mode transactions don't show up in my copilot anymore. Which is like, not like I can still keep track of my finances. But it's really annoying that it worked for years stopped working. And they're just sort of like, no, it's a back end issue.

We just can't fix it. That's one of the things we're like, if the whole point of the app is to do everything. And then it loses one of them. It. I will think it's really stressed.

Still a big fan of copilot. It's just. Yeah, it's the bigger stuff. In finance, there is a lot of extra work in the back end sync stuff. I happen to know that people who work for these companies and it is a lot of work.

So yes, stuff does periodically break with it. But it is super useful to me. So it's in my animal mentions. All right. Athletic also makes my animal mention was that it essentially takes all of the data.

My Apple Watch is collecting and formats them and displays them in different ways. Kind of like, whoop, like it shows me a lot of the same scores. And like, calculate, it's like how much exertion I can do today. When I should work at all these other things, how much sleep is factoring in. Really useful for anyone who's an athlete and wants to keep track of a whole bunch of stuff.

That's $2 a month versus $2 a month versus $299 a month. Yeah, there's going to be a theme a lot of these are subscriptions.

“How many gel about a week after the day 239 a month?”

No. Sorry, it's here. Oh, thank you. That's still wait. I'll talk trust me. I'm going to yell about it at the end of this episode. I have a whole group section.

Yeah, so athletics. It's also iPhone only like copilot. Blip. Blip. I discovered this year already.

It's in my animal mentions. We've been air dropping things to each other in the suit for so long. And it's kind of a running joke of how maybe it's just the environment we're in. Like there's like 20 air drop devices within range of any one of these. So you open air drop and suddenly things start popping up.

And you try to click one and it moves and you actually get the one you want.

And then it doesn't work or declines even though they never saw the notification.

Air drop is just it's supposed to be great. But it's kind of fidgety in the studio. And blip is just money every single time. Valetransfer app super useful. So blips on a mentioned.

Incredible. Geetbench. I use it enough and it's been good for long enough. I'm on geekbench six. I paid for geekbench pro.

I regularly use geekbench in videos.

Honorable mention. YouTube. Well. YouTube. I'm out last time.

I'm going to mention it last time.

Oh, I'm going to mention it. Wait. So you're going to like ten out. Yeah. These are just ones that are close.

“And I thought, you know, they have like slide downsize didn't make it.”

But YouTube is obviously great. My top five. In no particular order. What? No.

It literally has to be an order. It's not an order. This has to be an order. I can't put these in. Yes, you can.

I can start at five and go up to one. I can try. I might regret my top five. All right. Number five.

[ Laughter ] Don't edit that. [ Laughter ] Um. Okay.

Number five. Relay for Reddit. Dude. It's an Android app. Yeah.

It's the best Android Reddit app by a mile. It's so good. It's awesome. It has a paid tier. It's worth it.

If you use Reddit. If you sort through things. It's just super useful. It's a no question top five Android app ever. And it's in my top five.

Ways. Ways is kind of not the prettiest app. It's not. But it is one of the most functional. It's crowdsourced.

It has all of your pot holes and all of your closed roads and all of your routing and everything. Every. Most of the reason people want car play. So they could put ways instead of Google Maps on their car screen. Ways is good.

Wait. I almost put Google Maps in. Google Maps has everything from ways now. It's like all officially in it. Almost.

What doesn't it have? A lot of the smaller like granular like what it's alerting you about things. Like Google will say things like I don't think it does pot holes. There's like object and road. It does object on road.

It does that 100% about pot holes. But I would assume it comes in.

I've never been in Google Maps to be fair.

I haven't used maps as much lately. But fog bad weather flooding on the road. There's visibility closer. Do you know what the one I don't notice? Which I'm fine with is the like vehicle stopped on side of road.

Which on ways is every three miles. It feels like and it does go knowing. And I wish I could be even more granular with like what it Notifies me about. But I still think ways is good.

“Do you have to vehicle stop in your show?”

You've probably got to go to a hospital. She's crazy. Wait. Quick question about these guys. I was debating using Google Maps in my top five as well.

But that's almost like a utility to this point. Does that count? That's the app is good enough. I think you should count. Which kind of YouTube.

Number three. Flighty. Flighty. We talked about it last week. If you fly enough, flighty is unquested.

It's almost a utility. Even if you don't fly enough. I just like looking back at my passport and looking at the different places and trips. Yeah, the rewind, the whole thing. And it's someone to convince me that it's worth it.

Flighty. Yeah. Oh my god. Next time you fly. Get on a trial.

You can probably get a trial version of the trial. And I was like. Did you know what's low your mind? Yes. But I don't know.

I mean, it's a great. It's great. Looking at. You're going to be on a flight. That gets delayed.

“And you know from flighty 45 minutes before everyone's sitting at the gate.”

Noes. And you get to rebook your flight before everyone else does. And you're going to go, wow. I'm glad I had. Are you speaking from experience?

Yes. Literally. That's happened to me. All right. Two more.

Number two. Tick tick. My task. You know, there's a lot of tasks like this. There's a lot of planning apps.

There's a lot of calendar apps. This is just the one I keep coming back to. And I do constantly try to switch to other ones. Superlist almost made my my honorable mentions. But tick tick is just that goat.

It's just that goat. So I'm putting that in my top five. Number one, carrot weather. Number one. And I'm not like.

I'm not locking in the order of my top five. I've got a favorite weather is by such a margin. My most often used weather app that it's not even. It's not even really close. Yeah.

It has essentially stolen the layout from dark sky, which no one else is really clone. I don't know if it's like not allowed to clone it or if they're just the only ones both enough to do it. But they've one to one clone the layout from dark sky, which is incredibly intuitive. The data super accurate. The radar is really good.

A lot of these apps are really good in the radar sucks. This is good radar, good multiple sources. It's just a default app on my phone. It's also unfortunately iPhone only. But that's my top five.

It's a bunch of iPhone apps and 100 app. Top five lives of all time. Tare my list apart. Anybody have any objections. All right.

YouTube. YouTube studio. YouTube is honorable. YouTube honorable mention. YouTube studios.

Pretty good. It's not. It is kind of those feel like utility to me. But yeah. But it's not like amazing.

I don't know. It's fine. It does what I want it to do.

I never really actually don't like editing descriptions and metadata in the studio app.

Because I've had a truncate my input before. So I have a long description and then I'll edit it from the app and I'll hit submit. And then I'll view it on the desktop and it cuts off like after however many characters.

Yeah.

“There's also some things you can only do in the YouTube studio app on your phone.”

Like you know, you can only add thumbnails to shorts in the YouTube studio app.

No, I can only do that in the YouTube app. The YouTube studio app I can't change the thumbnail. But when I go into the YouTube app and go into my videos and then go to edit. That's where I can change the thumbnail of the short. Is that weird?

You think they have for Google. I like to say do. I swear it sometimes feels like YouTube doesn't have that many actual creators on their platform. Because the amount of things that are just broken for. Yeah.

Well, they have different teams for YouTube studio. Where's the chapters? Probably different buildings. Yeah, probably different building chapters. I know you're out.

I know there's creators out there. We know one of them very well, but like, yeah. If they add chapters out of this to my view. Just as for chapters you eyes. Yeah.

Actually, just add a UI for chapters. Please. Yeah. Like a real one. Yeah.

Like why wouldn't you do that? Yeah. I found out recently that it really really helps to add chapters because then Google search can index the chapters. So that when you some someone ask a question on Google search,

it'll bring you to the exact spot because it knows what the chapter was about. Huge. It's helpful. And yet you still have to just put timestamps in the description. And then it breaks 85% of the time.

Talk about breaks a lot. We do every week after week on this podcast.

“And what is the number one tweet getting said to us?”

Chapter? Where are the no chapters? Our comment section backs us up now. Usually now it's like, This is great chapters working as of time.

If you see somebody and they're complaining about us not having chapters, please tell them what's going on. Please inform them. Educate them. So it is.

That's my list. Okay. I have two honorable mentions. Number one. If the honorable mentions, Google opinion rewards.

Mm. Oh. Okay. That's a good one. It's a good one.

It's a good one. This is good. It's really awesome. But if you don't know Google opinion rewards is it's been around since like 2010. It's freaking amazing.

It came out very soon after Android came out. It will periodically based on your search data, based on other things, location data, whatever. Send you a little survey. And it's usually one to sometimes it could be up to like 12 questions.

Weirdly enough it so it pays you money, which is cool. Weirdly enough it pays you based on the amount of questions you answered. So if you just lie to it, it'll keep giving you more questions. I don't do the heck. But the only app that I have a subscription for on my phone that isn't part of like a family

bundle or something is the Pokemon trading card game app. And Google Pinaural Awards pays for my subscription for that, which is really awesome. That's the only app you have a subscription for. That isn't part of like a family plan. So like I have a Google family plan YouTube that has the YouTube premium in spot.

I don't, I know I'm spot five YouTube music, which is part of the I see. And then I have the Apple one family plan, which also comes with Apple music back kind of stuff. But I don't, we talked about it in the car and at South by or something. I only have like one subscription that isn't part of other stuff. Yeah, I'm terrified of subscriptions.

Anyway, I don't want to mention if you're not using Google Pinaural Awards,

“you should be using it because it gives you at least one at like every couple of days.”

Sometimes it gives you like five. Yeah, most people forgot it was thrown around. Other thing, if you have multiple phones. You can set it up on the same account with multiple phones and it will serve you like multiple. It's crazy.

I mean, I don't do that. There's actually scamming. They're not farming. No, I don't do that. But anyway, it's, it's good.

Okay, on a real mention number two, telegram. I know, okay, the stickers and the emoji are all animated. It's so awesome. It's so amazing. Telegram is cross-platform.

Got a desktop app. Yeah, you can get your torn dots anywhere. It's amazing. Well, I, I pay. Oh, like, oh.

We didn't even get one app further. No, I realize I do have another subscription. Telegram premium. Because it's like $20 a year. But it completely removes the poor apps, poor bots.

It makes it usable, basically.

Yeah, it makes it usable. Because there is a feature in telegram premium where you can charge people to message you if they're not in your context already. Wow. Yeah.

So it's like, you can spam me, but you got to pay. Wow. You know, which is pretty cool. No one has ever paid. Uh, okay.

Now we're on to the actual apps. And this might be a top file, like an order of that. You made me think of it. I didn't enter it. Yeah.

Yeah. That's right. Okay. Number five. Libby.

I had that on mine too. You can use it. No, I took it off. It's fine. Libby is great.

It is a library app. It's so good in New York City.

It's amazing because we have three public libraries.

And you can get a library card for all three of them.

It'll let you rent audio books.

It just has so many resources.

“I think you might get like a free New York Times subscription.”

If you part of the Brooklyn public library or something. It's pretty awesome. So it's a great app. And I can't believe it's free. Very cool.

Number four. Relay for Reddit. Also, I used Relay for so, so, so long. And eventually, they did go subscription because of the Reddit apocalypse. Yeah.

My honorable mention for Reddit would be obviously Christian Salex app Apollo. Rest in pieces. Number three. Nova launcher. Oh.

Yeah. That is an app. Yeah. Yeah. I was looking at, because I was just trying to wreck my brain this morning for, like,

What are the most popular apps? You know, Nova launcher is one of the most downloaded apps of all time.

With over five million downloads.

I can see that because of all time, there's such a long period of, like, the last 15 years where everyone who didn't have a Google phone, but wanted a better launcher. Like, all the touch with phones. Yeah. That's the first thing I installed on all those.

Yeah. Totally. And a lot of people did the same thing. Totally. Number two, viewfinder preview.

This is an app that I use to frame my film photos for when my cameras don't have viewfinder. Like, my 30 printed cameras. It's really, really good. You can do various different aspect ratios. You can test things.

You can take sample pictures with it. It's super basic, but I use it literally every week. And I've been using it every week for, like, six years.

“So I think it's worth being in my top of.”

Number one. For me, pocket casts. I think pocket casts is probably the greatest app ever made. Wow. It's really, really old, multi-platform.

It's multi-platform. It has a web app.

It has been passed around.

It used to be owned by NPR for a while. Now it's owned by, what are they called? People that do make automatic automatic. But it is a really insanely good UI. You don't pay for plus.

So the thing about it, and no, I don't. I bought it for $7 in 2012 or whatever, because they had a one time, because subscriptions were not very popular back then. So I bought it for $7 and then when I switched to subscription, anyone who had bought it for $7 got the pro version for free for life.

Nice. So I'm great, fathered in. So I actually don't know what the free version of pocket casts is like. So I'm sorry if it sucks. But I just think it's just, it's pretty good.

If you just can't do like folder, it doesn't sound like a podcast app. Why would you need that? That's the best. That's a good app that was when like the subscription thing is really for a power user.

But the free version gives you like 90% of what it is already. Totally. That's a good app. So that is exciting as Mark has his weather apps. But, agreed.

Yeah. What you got, Andrew? All right. Let's go. Number five.

No honorable mentions here. If it is not in this list, it's a dog water app. Wow. Number five. Taco Bell.

What? Okay. I don't actually use it that much. That's good. The app is actually pretty solid.

You're not jaded by the restaurant. I usually, I'm totally jaded by the restaurant. But why are you jaded by the restaurant? Or I'm shilling for the restaurant? Yeah.

Like I like this app because of the restaurant. Of course. But Taco Bell has the most times that I want to add things onto different items. And I am way too embarrassed to say that in the drive through. Therefore, this is the app that I use out of all of them.

I'm a plus potatoes plus jalapenos plus this minus that whatever. I ain't saying all that in the drive through because there's no way it gets right. App. Dude. It's the only fast food app that works 100% of the time.

There's no upsell pop out. Like all other fast food restaurants. Their apps are like so brutally. Yeah. And I mean, I say unusable from like the, I'm spoiled.

Like it just things are kind of slow and choppy but still. It's like, or they send you like 8,000 push notifications. Yeah. I'll do. I'm sure Taco Bell does.

As soon as you notifications. I disabled notifications on every single app that works. Yeah. I did that too. The McDonald's app dude, like a fifth of the time.

It'll just only show you the breakfast menu. And it's not breakfast time. So you just can't order it. And it's like. This should be the easiest thing to figure out.

Isn't what time is it? Not breakfast.

“Why do you don't also only do breakfast between certain times?”

I'm sorry. I'm just really struck a corner here. No, no. Well, Taco Bell has got to be easy because there's only essentially seven ingredients on the entire menu. It's just a different version of that.

Do you talk about the pop ice thing on the podcast? No, don't know. We don't want people to know about those. All right. No.

I have no idea what they're talking about. But that's okay. Number four. I don't use. But I'm going to hype it up anyways.

Interesting. Old school runescape app. This is a game that has been around for so long.

They relaunched it years ago. They're still updating this game. It has a huge user base. And because it's so simple. It makes sense on an iPad or a phone.

“The other thing about it is it is the most grind intensive time consuming.”

AFK able like game possible that being able to go on your computer and do different like boss battles or questions stuff that are more intensive. And then just would cut to 99 on your phone without paying attention is perfect. Now you don't like having an extra job. It basically is.

But this let's runescape people go outside because now you can still grind XP and touch this touch grass. Yeah.

That's the most important.

Although I was also looking this has like 5 million plus downloads on the play store. Great rating except apparently like within the last month is can the logins completely broken on Android? So. Jag guys if you're listening fix that for the homies out there.

I still don't even play the game. I just watched a lot of content about it. But the app seems awesome. Number three. Blip.

Blip has changed everything we've done here. The amount of times I've had to pull stuff off of phones. To then send to Marquez's Mac Pro to be like in a video or something. Blip is help that so much. Everyone's so hype on blip but nobody's ever blip me anything.

So why is this better than air drop again? Can you explain cross platform cross platform. Yeah, but there's a lot of different looks every time. You can blip someone's up and we're across the country. Oh, yeah.

It's not Wi-Fi dependent. It's just what it just send it free. It checks to see if you're on the same network as someone. And if you are, it just does like local, you know. But if you're not, it goes P to P over the internet.

So it's not, it's just dependent on your actual connections. Like, you know, like, it's not like, oh, dropbox is a really slow server.

So I'm, no, it's just 50 to 60 megabytes per second across the country.

Is there a file size limit? Not that I've found. That's crazy. I blip myself the 10 gigabyte pot audio after every session. No file size limit.

That's crazy. Blip is like, I'm a blip a evangelist. Yeah. I'm a full on blip. If there's blip merch, I'll buy blip.

Oh, wait. Don't joke. Roof is really put us on that one. That's crazy. Number two, Google Tasks.

Y'all changed me. Wow. Google Tasks may have like legitimately changed my life. Yeah. I will also argue that the simplicity of it has maybe helped me because I

“remember David Pierce, which we should bring back on again.”

I know he mentioned that recently on like threads. It sounds like he just wants to talk about productivity. I've forgotten that episode. Great. So it did.

Come join us, David. But like, being, I just have to type it in every time.

At this point, a third of the time, like, I just do the task before it even pops up

because I typed it in, which like, in my brain had me remember it. It works great with that. It works great with just Android Auto being able to like remind me do it in one hour when I get to work with all voice, not hands off the wheel at all. Like, yeah.

It's changed my life. You saying that is going to end up at Google I owe this year. No one else. I owe it to you. You're making an alley.

It's just my life. Next quote. 128 gigabytes. I will ruin you. And then my number one is the most niche one possible.

But as a Disc Golf player, you disc is exactly what I was talking about before. The free version of this app gives you 90% of the things to either find a Disc Golf course, record your score, do pretty much anything Disc Golf related. It is a super cheap sport.

“Anyone can do if you want to find a course near you.”

It's on there. My favorite thing about it is every year they release this giant post about how many people are playing and how many different countries. And it's essentially just so people can use that data. To give to their local townships, to build more Disc Golf courses.

And if at any point you want to request the data, you can just reach out to them and do it to try and build more community building things. So people who run that app are great. The app itself is great. There's a $30 your subscription.

If you want some like really premium things like getting it on my Carmen watch. Other than that, it's free. Great app. Cool. Nice.

Play Disc Golf. I'll go next. So first two honorable mentions. Okay. Specifically because I'm on Android now.

So they're iOS only. One of them being flighty. Like your cousin mentioned. I'll download it or I'll download it. Flighty's great.

There's a cross platform one by air. That's also really good. But it doesn't have the new airport intelligence feature that flighty just dropped. That's fire. Yeah.

So flighty's flighty's coded. The other one is gentler streak, which was the fitness app. I was using on Apple with my Apple watch.

Miss it. But now my Android. So it is what it is. But number five for me is KWGT, which is like a widget app on Android. It's been around for a minute.

Whoa. And that thing I've customized so many home screen is it lets you do basically. What is it called? KWGT was a stand for. Great question.

No idea. It's a good widget. Custom widget maker. But with a K custom. Yeah.

I've never heard of that.

Yeah. It's awesome. Whenever you get back on Android David. Mr. iPhone only over there. Download it.

It's really cool. It's a little confusing. There's like a little learning curve. But there's such a good community behind it where you can just like import. Yeah.

widgets that other people made and it's awesome. That's most of what I did. Yeah. There's some incredibly complex widgets where I import it and I'm back. What if I just tweak this?

Yeah. And then I break it and I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to be fine. It was fun. Yeah.

Yeah. Or is dulingo just because even though I still suck at speaking other languages, it's just, it changed everything.

“Like gamifying apps started I think because of dulingo.”

The widget is awesome. It what happened entry. You look like you're about to say. I thought you said dual like D-U-A-L. Lingo.

No. No. D-E-U-Lingo. I was like, do they have like a battle royale version? Sorry.

I can't speak English. Because like, it's funny. Speaking about language apps. No. But if you're gamifying languages, they should make a foreign language.

Battle Royale game where dulingo. Dulingo. Dulingo. Dulingo. It's time to dule.

You just have to like, I know that green owl is listening. Send it. Yeah. Their whole team is killing it with the marketing. So number three is an app that I just found and it's already in like my top all time.

It's called Stellarium.

It's having like a moment on TikTok basically.

But it is a, you know, those old apps that uses like the accelerometer on the phone and stuff to like see the stars and stuff like that. Yeah. You zoom in and I immediately pay for the pro version because you get high version. High res images of planets and stars and stuff.

So as you look around, you can zoom in on planets and see actual like images. It's, it's super dope.

“Did you download this like two weeks ago when we're talking about it?”

Getting water. Oh, no. I downloaded it like two weeks ago because I was seeing someone on, it was going viral like on TikTok or something. And someone was like zooming into a picture and I was like, what the hell? And then I check the comments and they're like, yeah, this isn't a telescope.

This is an app. And I immediately downloaded it. There's no, I just googled it and their web app is unbelievable. Oh, I didn't even know they had a web app. Do I lift my computer up into this guy?

No, he just said that. But I found a Starlink. That would be crazy. Okay. My number two app is an app called Story Graph, which is basically good reads from Amazon.

But by an independent maker, super awesome app. They have a lot of good features that good reads doesn't have because Good reads got purchased by Amazon and Amazon forgot it existed and just hasn't done anything with it for a decade. So good reads. I think is the one that everyone uses just because of like the social graph effect and everything.

But highly recommend getting on Story Graph. Just my fiance has found so many great books because like their recommendation algorithm is just amazing. And my number one app is Obsidian because I'm a big note take your guy. And Obsidian is super complex and super like you can do a lot with it. It is like a local first only note taking app for desktop and Android and iOS and all this stuff.

But I'm surprised at how much I get on my phone for things that I thought would like not look right or like not format correctly or something like that. Because I used to be an Android. I mean Android Apple notes or Samsung notes guy. But obviously they're locked into an ecosystem. I'm trying to like pick apps that go between everything.

“And I use the I think it's called forever notes, which is like an Apple notes taking system that lets you link between notes to make Apple notes way more powerful.”

It's a whole thing. But I've replicated that in Obsidian. So now basically everything that I need in my life isn't Obsidian.

So I use Obsidian all the time and I'm always surprised at how much I'm actually able to do on it, especially in Dex mode.

You know, now the moments you've all been waiting for. Top apps from a one Mr. Ellis roll in. All right, so guys, as you know, for a long time, I've owned 12 mini. I couldn't install apps on it. December, 2025, I get a new phone.

So I've been using apps now for three months. This is huge. Okay. I have a few honorable mentions. Because I have very fond memories of apps I used in my childhood on the iPod Touch.

Just because I feel like that was like a really golden era of like weird, dinky apps like the beer app. When we were backstage. Yeah, so the beer app, because I was going to bring up back being backstage at a. That's not by Southwest. I installed the beer app on the office iPad and chug the giant beers in front of all you guys and you laughed.

Another honorable mention for me that I don't think is still in the app store.

And if it is, it's like a shell of its former self. Do you guys remember urban spoon? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I loved urban spoon.

I was just a restaurant. I went to one or no. Urban spoon was a restaurant slot machine where you entered in how much money you wanted to spend. It would go. What?

And then it would give you a restaurant near you. I need to be like that's for you. I guess.

“That reminds me, do you know the app too good to go?”

Yeah. Yeah, too good to go. It's kind of like that too. It just tells you the restaurants that are closing and they'll get rid of. They'll just be getting rid of stuff and you can get like really big meals for

$7 or you can get me so soup for $7. Yeah. They, you don't know what they're going to give you. It's very random. Okay.

But, L.S. is top five. Are you ready? I'm ready. Yep. Number five.

Blip. No. I did not include blip on here, even though it's just phenomenal. But, number five. Disgugs.

It's number five because please integrate the blog posts with the app. I hate that when I click on a blog post, it opens my browser. What is it? Disgugs is like good read/letter box, but for music. Yeah.

So like you can keep track. But it's a few other things. Like so you could like log your record collection. And then also there's like an eBay style buying and selling platform built into it.

So like you can see someone's collection. If they, and then they can list something. It's like, you know, I'm okay getting rid of this. And then you mentioned message them. Like I'll buy this or I'll trade this.

And then you can do it all in the app. It's very cool. And then there's also like an actual like publication side where they have. Anyone can upload a blog post. And then they have like staff writers that are right to have music.

Articles are very good. They're very fun to read. They're very interesting.

“I just remember one time you came up to me.”

This is the only time I've ever heard of it. Like I'm so amped right now. It's like why? Like I uploaded an album.

And it was the first one.

And I uploaded it. Yeah, that was a big day for me when when when I bought an album that was so rare. No one had had logged it on disk box before. So I got to scan everything. I've uploaded the track listing and it's been like an hour of my day.

Being the guy. All right, number four. This is another app that I don't know if it's still in the app store. And if it is you absolutely should not buy it because it is the biggest. Biggest privacy booboo of all time.

It's called fog of world. And it was this early iOS app. That would just destroy your phone's battery by leaving location on all the time. This is so early in iOS that location was not like on all the time. And essentially it was like a big map.

And it would just like that would be blank like or like white it out. And then as you would go around like an RTS. Yeah, it would and then so you could see every single place you've ever been. And if you travel a lot like for some reason is doing as a teenager. You could like you zoom out to see the whole world and you said on the strip.

Because you could because if you were like me and you you said I don't care about your rules. You would leave your phone off of air like not on airplane mode on flights. And you get these right. I crossed the country. And then there was like there was achievements for like all the states and countries you visited. And like it would keep track of the total like square mileage that you've covered.

And like percent of the world that you've seen. This is like go to an idea. But the app can not eat up five. You're just leaving your location. You're just leaving your location.

Asperationally in practice like nightmare. Other other nightmare. How would this work? I haven't told many. Don't don't get this app.

Unless you want the Chinese government to know every single thing about you. Okay. Number three. Number three. See saw.

See saw. Number three is seesaw. See saw is like a. It's for galleries in New York City. I don't know.

You can see all the art that's on display in New York. That's it. See saw. Like you see it. And then after you see it you saw it.

Got it. Like read it. I read it. I'm quite fond of checking off things you've seen. No.

It doesn't do that much. It shows you galleries in a map and it shows you galleries in a list. I like the logo. And that's all it needs to do. Like I like apps that do one thing and do it really well.

Number two.

“I'm have to reopen my list because I can't remember.”

Oh, number two. The moment pro camera. Yeah. Which. I am legally required to disclose.

They gave me for free. I didn't pay for it. It's true. So if I don't know if I'd feel differently about it. If I did pay for it.

But this was not something that I just happened to stumble upon. This was moment saying Ellis hears a code. You have the app for free. I liked the moment. I didn't like the moment pro camera.

In fact, when I first downloaded, I said you.

Thank you. Should be clear. This is our second. This is moment pro camera too. Yeah.

This is much better. But then.

Yeah.

“They launched an update where you could save profiles.”

Which is like you like saves literally every single setting.

In the. The thing David, I'm air dropping you a photo. I took. I'm flipping it. Because I can't find you on play.

I can tell you. Is this one time payment or yeah, it's a one time. Ten dollar one time payment. Listen, if you do the Google rewards thing. What's the call again?

Opinion. You could pay for this. Just write up your phone. Let me tell you. The reason I like.

Before you describe the photograph. Let's try that camera. Yeah, yeah. I love moment pro camera. Because I think the iPhone camera.

iPhone 17 pro camera forced to be between. 640 and 800 ISO is one of the most pleasing things in the world. It like flattens everything. There's very little dynamic range. There's a nice amount of grain.

Almost gives it like a half tone effect. Yes.

So David, is the picture I sent you dope as hell.

Yeah. And the number one app in the app store. On app, I think every single person on planet earth should download on their phone yesterday. Right? Universal, universally applicable to all human beings.

I hope it's talkable. Maybe I method or something. The Brooklyn public library app. Dude, it just works. It just works.

Nothing takes any time at all. If you would live in Timbuck too. Get a Brooklyn library card. You do that. Can you get it?

- A library card, on mine or something? - No, we gotta go. - Yeah, right? That's the lazy part of Libby as I haven't got to the library. - Actually, I get the--

- Well, at least with the Brooklyn Public Library,

“you need to go to the library, but other libraries.”

Anyway, this is all to say, dude, the other day, I was like, oh my God, I think I need to give my library book back, and I open the app, and within 10 seconds, I saw. I have three more days, I hit the Renew button in zero seconds after hitting the Renew, I had 30 more days.

Why are all apps not as good as the thing that costs zero money, the library? I just don't, anyway, Brooklyn Public Library, back end and front end, app team, boy, you're just crushing. - Why do they call it BKL, YN?

It's like, it's catchy. - It's not saving that, many letters. - It's like WS. - A lot of them. - A lot of them.

- You can say less, dude. - It's literally saving five. - Yeah, it's not that many. - That's a lot, it's more than half. - For an app icon, that's actually,

they should have called it a lot of real estate. - It should call it Brooklyn Public Library. Or just Brooklyn, yeah, just Brooklyn. - Yeah. - But how would you know it's a public,

what if it was a private library? - This is book, oh, 'cause you can download. - You can call it Brooklyn Public Library. - Brooklyn, or just put the R in parentheses. - Anyway, that's Alice's,

as someone who is brand new to the world of apps, nice. Also, let me know what, what I should be getting for a moment pro cab, 'cause I'm starting to play around with lots. - Nice.

- I guess then without any further ado. - Everyone's number one app, trivia. - trivia. - Oh yes. - It took longer for that music to go

and then Brooklyn Public Library app did. - Be careful, I am. - Biggest news of the week for humanity is we are sending people to the moon today. - That's true.

- We're sending them around the moon. - Around the moon. - They're going around the moon. They will be the furthest that humans have ever been away from Earth.

Isn't that crazy? - Yeah. - Well, 'cause you could still say you went to Niagara Falls if you didn't jump in the water. - Okay.

- But that's different because people have actually been on the moon. Did Katy Perry go to space? - Oh, yeah. - Good question. - The definition of space.

- Yeah, we're going to have to wait till Artemis four for people on the moon. - Anyway, we're sending people around the moon. - Setting people around the moon, they're going to sling shot around Earth,

go back to the moon, sling shot around the moon, come back home. It's going to be awesome. You listening to this already know how the launch went. Today is April 1st at the time of recording. - We are waiting for the--

- But what does it launch us today? - It launched us today. - It launched us today.

- I was always supposed to get a Tesla roguest room

to come to this.

“- How much astrophage do you use to go to the moon?”

- Two billion pounds. - Okay. But the question is-- - Of kick-outs? - Sorry, continue.

Artemis two mission. That's what it is. It's Artemis two mission. But did you know that in Greek mythology, Artemis has a twin brother named what?

- I don't know, I don't know. - I don't agree. - Oh, wait, I think I know this. - Soccluffy. - You should know this.

So this is a Greek mythology question. - No, I'm wrong. - It is, but it isn't. That's your hints. - Oh.

- Which probably has ties to some other NASA-related space program. - Mm-hmm, probably. - Either way, if you know it, you already know it. If you don't, you'll find out the end

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Okay, we got a couple of little quick stories for you guys. There was some fairly big news, it could be big news to you or it could be just like a nothing burger news. - To find big, you know,

the amount of KitKats that we're stolen on the road this week. Okay, so the news is that Apple is opening up Swift as a programming language for Android, which is fairly big, maybe. I asked a friend of the show Christian Celig about this,

famous developer for many different apps,

including Apollo for Reddit, which is no longer available.

And he said, "I don't think you can use it for UI yet, can you?" So kind of, being able to write general algorithmic stuff in the same across iOS and Android is cool. But until you can do the whole thing in Swift, I don't know if it's gonna bring over many iOS developers

for instance. Especially if I just am able to blast through Kotlin with modern LLMs has it, yeah, this is a text. So it's kind of complicated. If just being able to blast through Kotlin

with modern LLMs hasn't done it for people for whatever reason. So I guess what he's saying is like Kotlin is just so standard now and you can use modern LLMs to code things that like Swift is not that big would deal.

So maybe it's not a big deal. I guess if you just like tell, quad, which just got leaked. But if you tell Kotlin, like look at this Kotlin code

“and make it Swift, do you see that's what he means?”

Like does that, does it work? - I guess. - I refuse to mention anything about software engineering because I don't want to get yelled at. - That's fair.

- I think, yeah. - If you think this was a big deal, let us know. - It was a huge deal. - I ain't reading all that. - Congratulations or sorry that happened?

- Yeah. - If any kids Swift used to sort of be the like, oh, we're just making our iOS apps in Swift and like we can't, sorry, we only have an iOS app 'cause we can't afford it to Android, whatever.

And so, now we do have less of a reason, not to, I suppose, but I'm just like, what's their angle? - I don't quite understand, but also like, I thought one of the big selling points of Swift is how easy it plugs into the Apple APIs,

which give you hardware access to like, how does-- - Yeah, and that's probably why it's not as big of a deal. - Yeah, like can you port over something that is using like the Face ID API or like-- - You'd probably have to configure that,

- We have to be like, plug. - Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, who knows? I mean, we were thinking, what was the meta one where you can code for both in it, React Native, React Native, yeah?

- Yeah, and a lot of people like don't like React Native,

“so I think Apple may be selling opportunity there,”

but like Christian said, if you can just you know, vibe code through Kotlin, then it's whatever. So, just wanted to mention that. - I think this would've been cooler like two years ago, yeah, two years ago, right now I feel like they just

had this waiting and then now that everyone just does it with AI anyway, they're like, okay, sure, release it. - Yeah. - Like yours. - Yeah. - All right, Andrew.

- All right, I'm about to crash out. - I'm ready. - Not really. Okay, if you know about Woop, we've talked about it on this podcast before. - There it is.

- There it is. I like your big Woop who cares, whoever added that. - That was me. - Yeah, big Woop. - What the f**k?

- What? - That was straight up me. - No, it wasn't. - No, it wasn't. - Look at the document history.

I just typed it. - Oh, you typed it in Slack three days ago. - Yeah, well, I tweeted it. - I tweeted it six years ago. - Actually, yeah, okay.

- Okay. - Yeah, no. - We've just announced that they're just got evaluated at $10.1 billion, which is three times more than the previous valuation.

- That's a lot of money. - That is a big fake number. Listen, I've used a bunch of wearables. My stupid bed tracks my sleep. I pay attention to all sorts of different activity

trackers. I've been down this rabbit hole. And the more I think about Woop, the more I can't just not think Woop is a marketing company and not really an activity tracker company.

And I just, I don't know.

Everyone's always like, oh my Woop, it's so cool.

And it's so much better than all the other ones, which just reminds me of all the people who have Mac and they're like, oh Mac is so much easier than Windows, that's why I bought it, which just feels like something they marketed really well

and now you believe that. - That's true. - There are probably some really niche people who like the Woops. I know some people like it because they like to wear a regular watch.

But the fact that this stupid little tracker, one has a notification motor, but can't notify me when I get actual notifications sounds wild. It can't tell me the time. And the sh*t.

If you want Woop 5.0 is somewhere between $239 and $359 a year, depending on what features you want.

“And you aren't paying monthly, you have to pay yearly.”

So at a certain point, this just feels like the planet fitness, like, scam. - Yes, scam, pretty much. - scam. - Yeah, it feels like they're just doing the planet fitness thing

where it's like, you pay up front for a year and you lock into a year contract. And then they hope you basically just forget about it after you submit. - That was the blip sound.

- The habit on Mike. - I haven't to know that that's the blip sound. - The blip sound. - David blip the computer that's recording the way he wants. (laughing)

- That's right. - That's happened so many times on this one. Just finished. - Is it a nice sound though, I gotta say. - A big reason they're probably at this evaluation right now

is because they just became a perk on Chase Sapphire, which is like one of the most popular credit cards in the country, which means I'm sure thousands of thousands of people went, "Oh, I get a free wood membership.

I'm gonna sign up and then put that shit

in a drawer one month later and never think about it again."

- You get one year. - You get a year because you have to sign up for a year. So you get a year for free. - Yeah. - I mean, a ton of people on Twitter were saying this,

I've seen this so many times. I think activity trackers, I don't know about you all, but the second most popular question I get about different like consumer technology after phones is an activity tracker.

They're super popular now, Garmin's Apple watches. Whoops, I get asked about all the time. And every single person that has ever asked me about it and bought one has given up with it within two months. I mean, it's a small, that's anecdotal evidence,

but I don't know, I hate these stupid things. I might be the number one wallpaper, but... - I'm about to take. - Yeah. - A lot of people are like,

"Oh, I don't need much from my activity tracker. I just need to track my steps." Your phone already does that. - Sure. - Yeah.

“- Why do you need to, you don't need the other stuff?”

Here's my thing about whoop, though, is if you want to, the thing I use on my Garmin, the most is in the gym, I just have the heart rate level level's one through five. And that's what I look the most at, because it was zones. Yeah, thank you.

Whoop, you can't see any of this stuff unless your phone is out at the gym, 'cause you all, it's no screen, everything you have to track on your screen, but I would work on your benefit. I wanna put my phone down in the gym.

- No, but you can work out without looking at any screens. Like, that's why I like to. - I know, but I like looking at my heart rate. - Yeah. - That's how I time my workouts is to do it.

- Do it. - Do a lift, or do a, I used to do when I was climbing. It's like, do it, heart rate up. Wait for heart rate to go down. No, I'm ready for the next time.

And I'm like, properly rested in between. - Yes, but a lot of the thing that whoop does differently. And or at least use to, 'cause now everyone has this. But it used to be recovery. That was their thing.

- Exactly. - You have to watch on your wrist. - You have to watch on your wrist. - Whatever body battery. - Yeah, and Garmin's body battery.

- Do you know what has it? - Athletic for $2 a month. - Yeah, athletic has. - And it's like almost one to one replica of it. - So I don't know.

And first of all, all of these things are toys.

“None of these are really that important.”

Listen to our episode of Dr. Mike about activity trackers. It's, I am fully in for a turning health into a game. And if that helps you be healthy, be healthy, that's great. But there's so many better options in these stupid woop bands. They're not comfortable either.

And they're really annoying. Got this big plastic. - Like this. - There are some other ones I haven't gotten to try it. There's another one I forgot.

It's called. It's like a hundred bucks in those subscription. It looks exactly like a woop. - They've just dominated that exact mark-ace of like, well, there's a bunch of different. There's like the people like the rings, the or rings, and all of those.

And then there's all the competitors to that, which is just like I want a minimal thing. Then there's the small band with no screen, which they've dominated, but there's also fit bits and there's other things that do that. And they have the most customers, and maybe the most data, and maybe the most accuracy who knows, then they have the thing with a screen.

From the Garmin watch, the Apple watch, and then people want to be able to look at their heart rate while they're working out. That's a space dominated by one player. And so there's a bunch of different versions of these.

The $10 billion, I don't really care about the $10 billion, but it is interesting that all

I really use it for. And this is so new actively trains and constantly looks at the data, is to like gamify and try to make sure I hit certain metrics or hit certain numbers. The whole thing we talked about with Dr. Mike is it might tell you you didn't hit your number, or you, you know, oh, you got a bad sleep score today.

So you start to feel worse because you saw the numbers worse.

a loop is is like, I don't know how else it's like the default for I just want, it's either that or fit bit. I just want a fitness tracker that can tell me at the end of the day if I did enough. And if I should be feeling better the next day.

“I think I agree with Andrew because I do think there's a part of the loop ethos.”

I don't know if it was like this at the beginning, but it's definitely like this now, just because like so many, like big time CEOs and celebrities who feel like they can't be seen with a smart watch either for like PR reasons or like they don't want to be seen as endorsing a specific company reasons like choose whoop as their fitness tracker. Like if you, I feel like I, especially it's South by, if like whenever I saw either a

picture or like some sort of famous person, they were all wearing loops, I think it is sort of a thought of as like the, if you're at a certain status level, the loop is the only option. Yeah. And there endorsements of athletes are chug kids.

Yeah. Mark has a, do you know like when I was literally just going to make it. I would associate with like the equinox, where it's like, because it's way more expensive than fit bitters. I think it's six of one half.

Some of the other, it's because it's, it's the high price point option. And then it's just because it's associated with this level of prestige where I can't be seen with a, with a clearly branded product. And I know at this point, whoop is a clearly branded product, but at the same time, it's sort of an unbranded product in the sense that there are, there are pretty much no identifying

details. So I do think, if you're the kind of person who wants to be thought of as part of the CEO, yeah, high prestige crowd, it's just thing is now. It's a static thing for sure. It's like I care about the absolute minutia of metrics about my body and going to push

it to the extreme. And I don't think it gives any extra information. And it's like any other thing that she's marketing has, it's also totally, and if you know, you know, product, you know, and I mean, like I totally think it's, it's a marketing.

“I think I just think the yearly, it used to be worse.”

Well, I guess you would get discounts, but like use it for two or three years at a time. It just feels predatory at this point. It is definitely doing the planet fitness model of like, hey, look, here's a time in your life right now. You want to be healthy by this thing.

And then realize a month into it, like, I don't care if you give up because I already got a year's worth of your money out of it. You're freaking me out because I was going to sign up for a plan of this today. Now, you're making me feel like I maybe shouldn't. We'll talk about the hardest thing about play to fitness is kids.

Yeah, I would say I wouldn't want to like, shun people away from fitness track.

I am like, that's trying to, there's a lot of people who are looking to take a first

step in fitness who don't really know where to start. And this is a thing, well, it's one of the many things that you can try that can give you some information that you don't know before. Like you have your phone in your pocket, that can tell you your steps. I have no idea what my heart rate isn't telling wearing a wearable.

There's a ton of choices. This is one of them. Yeah. And then it's just all positioning. Like, yeah, they're going to have ads with celebrities.

I think or a ring kind of does some of the same stuff. You literally have a gold ring on with just like this unbranded thing. So there's, there's different positioning moves. I'm not as familiar with whoop because I don't use one and I don't know which metrics they're showing.

I assume they're at least decently accurate because they're not, you know, getting complaining for accuracy. But yeah, I have a nap a watch and I, I follow maybe five or six of the metrics and I know they're not accurate. I've done the step counting things and I know they're not accurate.

I've done the heart rate stuff. I know the camera, the colors aren't accurate, but it's just something to have, to focus on slash gamify and then get in that world. And if you can get one, that's not hundreds of dollars a year with the mandatory 12 months.

Wow. That's probably a leaking of which breaking news two hours ago. Yeah. Fitbit is going to be launching a loop like product that does not have a screen. Two hours ago.

The news April Fool's Day will, sure. Steph Curry put out a video where he is wearing a band without a screen on it and he

says, he describes it as a first of its kind product before saying that he doesn't want

to spoil what it is. Step enough for a stop. First of all, it's loaded up based on something else. We just find. Selfishly, I'm just hyped for this because I like wearing real watches and that means

that I can't wear. You're trying to say Garmin won't. This is not real. I mean, it tells time. So it's real.

You know what I'm wearing like actual watches. You know what they need to make. They need to make loop, but it's just the band for an actual watch. There's Alex, so I think the other day that's essentially a puck that would go under your normal watch.

And well, yeah. Yeah. Specifically for Casios. Yeah.

But I want like, if the band of your watch was basically a loop and it got the information

from like below your wrist or whatever. I think I've seen something like that. And you could wear it on whatever.

“Was it the best way to get the information?”

Yeah. But I also wouldn't want to like wear my actual watch in the gym.

I like the loop and now this new fit thing, like the reason I've been liking these bands

is because I can wear them on the other wrist and just forget about them. And they have such crazy battery life. I don't have to think about them. I'm going to the point where I mostly only like looking at heart rate zones and getting my notifications on it because I just don't like my phone ever vibrating or doing anything.

I'm so close to just giving up on a smart watch. But then I have to change my phone more often. Are you doing? If you look at my phone more often. I do have the exact same things.

Like, or heart rate and then like a timer. Like if I'm doing like a plank, I like that. Like, you know. But I'm right there with you. Like the only time I ever go back and check my recorded data is to find out how many

days that I work out this week, which I could literally do with a fridge and a worker. Yeah. A lot of it is I usually frame it as it's all comparative. So like I know that the calorie counter in the vehicle is just not accurate. But if I want to know if my workout today was actually harder than the workout I did last

week, I can see if it was a higher or lower number. That's like kind of as much as I can get out of it. My issue is the whoop people will be like, no, everything and this is gospel. It feels like I've seen some people on online talking about whooping like this is the most accurate.

It's better than everything else with zero sources or real information based on that. Just like I'm better than you. Therefore this better. I don't know. There's probably people out there who love whoop.

There's again, I don't want to vilify this as like a if this is what helps you work out. Do it who cares what that price is. But yeah. I don't like whoop.

Very good.

10 billion my butt stock market's fake what open AI just got.

“I think whoop should give a 10 million dollar investment to open AI then can give it to”

Nvidia who then can give it to Oracle who then gave it to whoop. Yeah. I have an announcement. What? I am pledging 50 billion dollars to open AI over the next 50 years and it's intent buying

intent, right? Yeah. No, this is just this is the speculative intent intent. It's part of a investment package called the Pinkie Promise. Oh, we know that's actually serious.

Yeah. That's legally binding. Yeah. It's also it is April 1st. Oh, right, too.

That's my. That was so bad. Well, RAM prices are actually collapsing right now and the reason is because everyone thought that open AI had purchased 40% of the world's RAM supply for 2026 turns out. No.

Sam Altman just signed an intent to purchase, which is not actually illegally binding thing and then open AI is like actually we don't need the RAM. And so now RAM prices are crashing.

Thank God we can finally have our steam deck at a reasonable I steam box at a reasonable

price. Maybe. They'll keep the same. Yeah. We have more money on it.

They have actually reduced the prices of RAM quite a bit. They've crashed a lot. So it's a new. It's pretty awesome. Rare good news.

Rare good news.

“But you know what hasn't crashed and remains at an all-time high?”

Trivia. I don't know how that went. Not my Trivia point. But my points have been crashing over the last three months. Now they've been steady.

They've been steady. That's the problem. They haven't gone up at all. But that's fine. Guys which iPhone was left at a bar and subsequently leaked by Gizmoto.

What do you think, Andrew? I don't want to give you. Give you guys the answers. I'm just like, he gives me the answer. You're sure?

You really should not. I can guess you should have. Pretty sure. This would be pretty embarrassing. It would be just going to throw it out there.

I'm pretty sure, right? I don't think anyone would be able to take you seriously if you've got this wrong. Oh my gosh. Oh, that's what I like to see. Okay.

All right. All right. The same thing. So you like to read the answer at the same time? One, two, three, three, I found four.

Wait. Did it work? Yes. I wrote it in cursing. It's a four.

It was in fact the iPhone.

“But I had a moment where I was like, is it the four S now?”

No. But no. It was the new design. The new design. Yeah.

iPhone 4 was the one where they changed the outside and iPhone 4 S was the one where the inside sort of became the TikTok. The modern iPhone. On the clock. Um.

I'm going to do this score after it. This time. But have you already given that point or sweet or Oracle? Mark has. Yes.

Okay. With 20 points. Cookin. Andrew. Smack down in the middle.

Send me nests to go to. 21 points. David. King David. Biblical.

King David. Didn't you get his head chopped off or something?

Okay. Don't Google it. That was our list.

“Just a revel in the mystery of whether he might have gotten his job.”

Pandora's. No. Schrodinger's head. Schrodinger's head. 24 points.

How am I smack David the middle?

'Cause you're in between them. But not smack dab. You're technically the median. You are technically. You're a point and a half away.

I'll give you a point and a half right now. So you're smack dab. Deal. I'm just kidding. April Fool.

All right. Here's Adam for the space question. Artemis has a twin brother named What's go. One fact, guys, the mission is called Artemis because they're not, they're going to do like the gravity cysts like they're not landing on the moon.

So they're, are they're going to miss? Are they going to miss? That's why they call it that age. Even though enough of these names to just guess on this one. No.

That's the rock guy. I don't think I might. I don't think I might. Don't think I might. I don't think I might.

I don't think I might. I don't think I might. No. I don't think I might. No.

I wrote discovery.

That doesn't sign Greek to me.

Yeah. That is not it. I wrote Zeus. That both of these are Greek. I'm probably wrong.

Is it? All right. Yeah. That's wrong. Yeah.

Wrong. Guys. Twins. Apollo. Damn.

It was right there. She had that. It's really nice. I know slash like about Apollo. I'm so glad I got to watch your reaction when you got that wrong.

Yeah.

Because I knew it would piss you off.

Nice. Wow. Well, you know, another learning experience on the pot. We Apollo Twin. Oh.

Can we call? I got Apollo Twin. Can we call it Artemis then? Is your Apollo's twin is Artemis? Why can't I say?

“Is your universal audio interface actually Artemis?”

Artemis. Which is Artemis. Which is Artemis. Wow. That's wow.

That's crazy. I hate that. Well, now we know. I'm going to study up on Greek mythology for next week's trivia. But hey, leave your comments on why.

Who had the best top five abs list? I want to know in the comment section. Now that you made this far, you've heard all of our top five abs list. Who had the best list? Comment below.

And why was it me? That was probably I. Well, Adam. Yeah. Thanks for watching.

Get you guys next week in April. Peace. Bye. Wait. Form is produced by Adam Elina.

No, sir.

“Well, Vox Media Park has never been in a drum music was created by Wayne Syll.”

Quick. Pick up. Yeah. Twin brother. There we go.

That's it. How are you? Twin brother. You're going to cut that. Wait.

Oh, I think I'm there. But what I want to do is not to give you a lot of studies. Mr. Beitrag left the top. Soft behind the Internet. It's a master's degree.

I mean, you can say that. You can do it. Yeah. You're a star. But you can't do it.

I mean, it's just a failure. It's just like a star. And if you do it then you'll be able to do it. That's it? Save.

Like star. Hold your money. Now you're going to try it.