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The greed, the heart of greed, and what way. They're just tanking for a lethal. What is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast. We're your host, I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew. I'm David.

This week we've got the pixel 910A.

Sorry, almost the same thing. 10A, a random March Apple event that has been announced.

We'll have some thoughts. I'll ring doorbell update. You might have heard us crash out about that last week. And also video on Apple podcasts, and we're going to wrap it up with a game from Adam. Also, make sure you subscribe. Just before we get into it at all.

We saw a comment on the last episode that said you could still hype us. That was, they've been saying it since we hit 500,000. So for a couple episodes.

“Where either wrong about the requirements for being hyped?”

Or you guys are like breaking YouTube. So YouTube has already forgotten about hype. Yeah, let's make sure we're far enough clear past 7K that we're definitely past 7K. So make sure you subscribe if you haven't already. And if you do see a hype button, let me know.

It's like tweeted at us. Press it first. Yeah, press it.

And then screen record it and then send it to us.

Click it. I want to start off this episode with, I've been thinking of a segment we can do to start at a apology to Xfinity. That is never happening. I'll have a very brief update on that later, but I need that.

I was thinking of an idea and I sent this all to you guys. So you can all brainstorm it for future episodes. But like a really fast five-minute segment to start every episode off with. So my conclusion was a little segment we're going to try, called, "Did they even test this?"

Because people really liked our crash outs last week. And kind of, they love when we complain about super random things that we don't. Are so minutes-yield, but that frustrated us. And there's so many-- That's my entire personality.

It is. But this stem for me wanting to do a episode where all of us record every time a piece of tech does something we don't want it to do during the day.

“And I think it's way more than you would think.”

But this can be we can slowly write them all down. But anyways, this is just going to be a very obvious thing that is wrong in a piece of tech that you have in every week. We'll do one whoever wants to do it. I'm going to start mine with--

I need my phone here. Um, in Slack, you know, Slack has plenty of issues by the end. Yeah, it's just Slack. It's just Slack. Yeah.

So if you go into Slack and go to write a message and use the Emo button, either to react or to just put an Emo-- There's that Emo button, Emo G button. Emo G. You'll see this list of icons that are the categories for what all of the

different because we're at hundreds and hundreds of emojis now, right? One of these icons is a heart. What do you think would be under the heart icon category? Different types of hearts. Body parts.

It is actually the Symbols category. Oh, what? There's not a single heart. What's in the Symbols category? Which is what it's--

What is the heart to know as Symbols? Why it is a symbol, but it is not a symbol. That kind of symbol. Yeah, it's-- When the heart is one of the most used

reaction slash, like, emotes, probably most people use. Yeah. Uh, you think they'd have that right? But I've been tricked by this so many times. Where I go to, like, heart one of someone's posts in Slack.

And I get this. Uh, one thing we found that's kind of weird about it is I believe on, like, on desktop in my Slack. It's actually a piece Symbol instead, uh, which makes more sense. That doesn't make more sense.

So this may possibly be just a weird mobile thing they didn't fix.

Is that on my phone as well? Yeah. And then I go to press heart. And I get ATM, it's a bio-hazard sign, uh, yinging, arrows-- Well, hopefully I'm checking hard use.

Hopefully it's in your frequently used.

It's not always, but anyways, I use our HDR emo way too much, emoji.

But yeah, so that is my, um, I want to keep a brief. That is my, did they even test this?

“We should have heart category with no hearts in it?”

Yeah, we should Slack. If you're listening to this, maybe update that. I've been feeling there's a lot of things that we're going to find that the companies, yes, kind of just for God about. Yeah.

And then we resurface it and they go, oh, yeah. And then they can just, they can just fix it. Yeah. But Salesforce sounds Slack. And I imagine all they think about is KPIs and not hearts.

Yeah, making a Mr. Beast commercial. Yeah, but there's got to be someone from Slack who watches this podcast. There's like one person. Probably. There's got to be one person.

Yeah. And they can, they can fire off an email. They, I'm sure they have an internal Slack, it's Slack, right? They can send a quick Slack message. They actually used teams.

He used teams. Well, they can find a way to, to hopefully maybe update that. We'll see if we can get it done. Okay, that'd be good. Next week we'll find another thing.

My, did David Hestis is, is metal watch bands. Does anyone, they always pull your hair. This feels like a sign-filled joke. What's the deal with metal watch bands? I mean, they've been, you know, classic for many years,

but they always just pull your arm hairs. Maybe I'm just too hairy, I don't know. It's the same thing here. It wants you to remember you've got a sick watch on all the time. That's true, yeah, that's true.

Yeah, that's fine. We, we solved that. I mean, we solved that. Yes, and everyone, put it in your notes app. Okay.

Let's try and do one every week. I think it'll be fun. And it's, if you do, I'll just off the page. Okay, my head whenever you need, but let me know. I'll also very quickly do a quick internet update.

I did have my internet back by the time I got home on Wednesday. Don't clap. Please do not clap. They do not deserve a clap. Comcast, one funny thing that happened was I get a call on Friday.

And it's a person saying, hey, this is Boba with Exfinity. Did you know no one's home right now? And I said, what? I did know no one's home right now. Why are you at my house home?

And he was like, oh, there was some other wires hanging low. And I got a thing to come and fix them. I was like, okay, no one told me that. And he said, well, they're technically telephone wires. And then that guy super nice, the actual technician.

He was like, they're not even our wires.

“But I think I have something that can probably move them up a little bit.”

So nothing actually accidentally touches it. He winds up doing the whole thing and giving me his personal cell phone number. Because he says, don't even try calling the one. 100 number accomplishes nothing. That is a shift out of to that guy.

Exactly.

The technicians who come are basically always actually knowledgeable and helpful.

Yeah, they're probably managed. I just can't get a touch with them. Yeah, so I do feel like I had a very similar experience for some reason. Like getting fiber and still, I don't remember what exactly happened. But I remember the actual in-person technical person being way more helpful.

Yeah, anyone at the company trying to get them there. One more funny story about this really fast is I got an email last week. Let me find it real fast. From Comcast Business Point of Contact who tried to contact us to see if we needed any business needs from Comcast, which was possibly the worst timing ever after everything happened last week.

So, my little piece of help or revenge, I guess, is I just got to send up a nice email that said, "There's zero chance after the horrible experience I had last week." And that we're not interested at working with X-Penority at all. That was my little solace of that whole experience. Hopefully some human revenge that I've just, yeah, I filtering it out.

Well, he even says in his email, saved my contact information, no need to wait on our 100 lines for an available remote agent call center. Something like that, no. This was in response to your rant? No, because it's just a salesperson, by spamming people.

“So you think it was just like coincidence that there's something really fortunate coincidence?”

Damn. Well, internet is a monopoly. Other things that are not monopolies, but could be surveillance states. Uh, we have a little update to our ring story from last week, so if you didn't listen the last week's episode effectively, one of the Super Bowl commercials that came out was that ring, the doorbell company owned by Amazon, had this new feature that they were going to turn on,

where basically all the rings would act as surveillance state cameras. And if you lost your dog, it would identify your dog and totally not people. And when were your dog? We record this episode, we record this podcast on Wednesdays.

On Thursday, a ring came out and basically it was like, never mind.

We're not, so they spent all that money on the Super Bowl ad. And then they were like, actually we're not going to be working with flock to do this anymore. They cited a bunch of reasons that probably we're not the reasons. And really, the real reason was just that everyone was like, yeah, canceling.

But what's kind of ironic about this is like the the CEO of the founder of ring, uh, they Mr. Ring, Mr. Ring himself. He has been very outspoken in this fact that like, he actually wants there to be a surveillance state specifically because he is like laser focused on getting crime down to zero. And he's like, yeah, I mean, I eventually want all of these cameras to just continuously be

recording everybody everywhere and going to police. And we want to work with everyone everywhere.

“Well, yeah, there are there are two schools of thought. That's why he started the company.”

It is not untrue that crime goes down when people think that they are going to get caught. Obviously, right? So that that is these two schools of thought that people have. And he's been very outspoken on the fact that he thinks that this is the way forward. There's actually a good decoder episode with Nila about this that he went on a did with him. And he's pretty straightforward on what he wants to do with this.

But obviously, all of that backlash made it so that they are deciding that they are not going to do this anymore. So I think they said like, it was taking longer than they expected. And that's when we had nothing to do with the immense backlash that came after them spending

probably almost $10 billion on an commercial. I'm just looking back. I mean, 10 million is

almost nothing to them. But it is funny that like they called it search party. Yeah. There's just, I'm looking back. Like how did this make it all the way to the end, you know? Well, I have somebody had the idea and was like, here's a great idea. And everyone in marketing was like, yeah, yeah. And then not one single person went, hey, you know what this looks like? And it just went all the way to the end. I was out of bakery this weekend. And someone in our

town lost their dog. And I saw a couple of goods. Look at the thing and say, oh, did you see that commercial in the Super Bowl? Like, they can find lost dogs. That's pretty cool. And I was like,

“no, that's how they were hoping it would go. Yeah. That's exactly what they were pictures. So there are”

people who do think that. It's just also really funny when you think about the numbers. They put in the

commercial of being like, a million people lose that one per day and we find one. Yeah. We find like

0.01% of dogs that get lost. Yeah. And also watch everything compassionate valid use case for something that could obviously be used for my worst thing. And they're like, oh, it doesn't even have acts. It doesn't even have the ability to recognize faces. That's our separate feature called familiar faces, but they don't touch each other at all. Okay. But we can recognize dogs like really well. But only dogs. We trained our model on a thousand dogs. We know. They need to hire the

marketing people at Apple who just make you terrified of not purchasing their products and work a little bit like there's a bear. Yeah. Yeah. The pair in the house video. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, another thing that happened where we thought it would be better, but it actually got worse is that the Google has announced that the Pixel 9 series is now going to have the ability to use airdrop as well. So if you remember a few weeks ago, Google added compatibility for the

Pixel 10 series to have airdrop, they said we are excited to bring this to more Android phones soon. We were hoping that more Android phones would be more Android phones, not more Google phones. And so they're being added to it's being added to all Pixel 9 devices except for the 9A. And when reached for a comment about this, Google just kind of gave their PR answer of we're excited to bring this to more Android phones in the future. I was really hoping they were just

going to be using the Pixel 10 series as a test bed to make sure it worked on Android at all and had enough stability, et cetera, et cetera. But now they're just putting pushing it to the 9. They still haven't done the 8. There's all these other phones. I don't really know what needs to be done here, but can I do think they didn't do 9A because when 10A drops, 10A will have it and they need to wait a couple months for 9A to get it so then 9A doesn't have it because oh my god.

“I think we'll talk about it in a minute, but not much has changed in the 10A. That is a”

Google thing to do, but doing that off the back of finally having an Apple feature is just

very strange. They usually do that in Google photos. They don't usually do that. Yeah, that's common with other features. I'm a blip stand. Sorry, before we get off air drop. Good rules. Blip kind of hit the studio this year. Hard. And like we have been an air drop studio. As you've probably been familiar, like a lot of us are using Final Cut Pro and Max in the studio, so we like past files back and forth. And it's decently useful for, I'd say,

anything up to about one gig. But as soon as I see like 890 megabyte sending to send somebody a file, I'm like, do I really want to air drop this? Like it's going to not work some of the times. Do you why also? Speaking of did you test this? Every time I go to open to share an air drop, it starts populating and it goes 3, 6, 12, 15. I'm not a ton of devices and I go to click the one to air drop two and then it slides over and it slides again to the next row. Every single time

I miss and I send it to a wrong person and it's really annoying. So please test that Apple.

And Rufus, I think, is the one who brought broke the studio. He's like, have you guys tried

blip and we're like, what's that? And he's like, it's just an app that does the same exact thing, but it actually works and cross platform and it's cross platform and it's local and it's faster. We got to give Ruvus a little more credit because it was the kind of thing where he was like, let me blip this to you. We're like, dude, you want me to download a thing? Just see, no, I'm not getting another. It's like air drops right here, bro. That's right here.

“And then everyone sends their first blip and it's like, what? Do you know what it?”

For the super niche content tech content creators out there who might be reviewing Android phones and editing on a Mac dude, being able to send the files through blip instead of this life changing. It's huge. I'm going to send the file back. Yeah, all four of us who are reviewing Android phone. Oh, yeah, that's really good. Anyway, Google decides to drop the Pixel 10A this week. They were teasing it for a little bit. They were sort of teasing it because it looks the same.

So they just showed us what it looked like already. Now we have all the official specs and all the official numbers and everything. And it's it's the same as the Pixel 9A. Almost literally the same. So I went into this thinking it's the same phone. I have the spec sheet in front of me here display same size, same resolution. I'm going back and forth. Okay, display batteries, same size. Okay. Okay, cameras, same exact cameras. All right. Chip, same exact Pixel, the tensor 4 chip.

So I'm like, what do they actually change in the Pixel 10A? It's the same price. In case you curious, I have a full list here. But everything that's different about Pixel 10A, perfect versus Pixel 9A. Ready? I'm ready. The camera bump, which was pretty flush before. It was like very flush. It was actually it's like a millimeter protruding. Now it's actually zero flush. It took an angle grinder to it.

Yeah. The uniform bezels, I can't tell with my eyes, but I'm told there's slightly thinner, 10% as I say. It doesn't look at wired charging goes from 23 watts to 30 wireless charging. Okay. From 7.5 watts to 10. Okay. And the display is 10% brighter. Did they tell you the wired charging thing? Yeah. There's spec sheet they said is so vague at a annoying 10% brighter. Yeah. On the spec sheet, they sent us. It just says, it's like an

perceivable brightness change. It was like 2700 peak brightness to 3,000. But brightness is a logarithmic already. So like, yeah, it's not going to blow your mind for it. It's a little brighter. And yeah, otherwise it's the same phone, same tensor G4, so that he kicks it around. Does it have

nope. Probably nope. My one, this is the thing about releasing a new phone that's basically

the same as last year. A lot of people sometimes like to complain like, oh, you didn't change anything. But I think without any substance for what they should have changed, that's kind of an empty complaint. Because change for the sake of change doesn't really help anyone. Like you want to keep a

“consistent. You've got a brand. You know, you have to keep something consistent.”

So what should they have changed is a real question. And the number one thing that comes to mind is you just hold pixel snap thing with the pixel tens. The G2 magnets in the back. This would have been perfect. You could have just one up. You could have made an ad about how the basic iPhone 17 year 16 year, whatever, doesn't have it. This would have been fun. You could have had it across the whole pixel 10. And they didn't add magnets. That's crazy. They didn't move to the tensor G5. They didn't add

it. They didn't go to 56 years of base storage. They didn't do any of the things they could have done. But I think would have been nice at this 499 price. Taking notes from Samsung. Yeah. So first I was like, why even release a new phone at all? Because it's, you know, you don't have to every year. But then I was like, you know, your Google, you kind of just do. You just go through the motions. And I felt that vibe the entire time I was like shooting the phone. We went to the city and like

had a little briefing and they brought us to this back room. I always feel like they usually like

shut down that area of the building to keep it quiet so that we can shoot. There was just Google and plays walking back there. Oh, they're doing the thing. Like nobody seemed to care. We shot the phone. It was very much an afterthought type of phone. I was like, it's updated. I wanted you so bad to bring a 9A and just leave it on one of the platforms. And then see if anyone accidentally recorded the wrong phone and made it into a different review. It's perfect because the colors

of the phones, there's four colors are almost exactly the same. Just a little bit more saturated. Again, and I saw the spec sheet had different color names and I was like, oh, maybe there's different colors because there was like fog and obsidian and then there was like a sort of a

“reddish and a purpleish one. I forgot the names. And then I was like, I think that's the new ones.”

Yeah. Oh, the new ones have some name like P&E and Sportsilin or something else. And so they like renamed the white one porcelain to fog. But it's just so it's the same color. I then they have

Exactly. Like you could you should just call it the Pixel A 2026. Pixel A 2027. Well,

at this point. At least the companies used to be a little bit more honest about it. They'd go, oh, this is the iPhone 6s because it's it's a small update from the iPhone 6. In fact, it's the same design. Just a little bit of a spec bump like a couple small things. This isn't even a spec bump. Yeah. And at least with that, you'd be like, all right, I'll probably skip the S and just wait for the next one. This one, it's just the 10A and it's just the same as the last phone. And I ended

up thinking about that for the video. And the conclusion I came to is like the Pixel is very much a software to find thing. Yeah. Like the reason you get a Pixel, especially the A series pixel. Like that buyer isn't going, I want the latest chip or I want the, you know, the higher

resolution display or whatever. It's this, it's just a phone that works that has the Pixel features.

And it's still that. And so that's the reason why it's probably fine for most of those people. But yeah, as someone who reviews phones year over year, this was like, I mean, we have ever seen that before. We've talked about them having a lot of sort of like a friendly nest with Samsung. It seems like they're taking a lot of lessons from Samsung. Yeah. This is like, we've been joking about how we've gone on from the what S233 plus plus plus plus. But this is like another

level of a whole lot of nothing, which we might see get beat in a week or in a couple of weeks with we'll talk about it later. But if iPhone 17e is the exact same thing, it's going to be even funnier this year, even when the the base iPhone got so good last year. Yeah, it might be a lot of else.

“I'm just more with Markets here. Why even release this 10A? I think they could have just been like,”

you know, the 9A's still pretty good for people that like want a cheap entry level pixel. Yeah. And everyone over there would have been like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And the iPhone SE used to just be every couple of years. Yeah. And I was fine. We get an iPhone SE like every three years. And it would be like a sea budget phone. Apple knew how to do it. They just called it SE so that there wasn't a confusion of like every year. Yeah. Because now they kind of

had to release the 10A because they had to have a 10 version of the iPhone. But if they just call it like the pixel. I think that's literally exactly what they're doing. Yeah. Is somebody is going to some new shoppers going to start looking for a budget phone. And they will see that there is a 9A and no 10A. And they'll go, I guess there's no 10A. And they'll go old news and move on. But if there's a 10A, they'll consider it. Yeah. Apple learned that also. They stopped doing SE and now they did 16E

“and possibly 17E. Right. So that seems worse. Seems like. I think it is worse to call it SE”

because then they can sell the same phone for a long time. They can. But I think people want to see this number new number. I want new number even if it's cheaper. Yeah. Which is unfortunate. But probably the marketing is the numbers are probably proving it. Bring back the pixel for a better phone than this, better phone than this. Had a headphone jack cheaper. Like I just confirmed really fast. So you said they told you 30 watt wireless charging because all they say in here is

fast charging up to 50% in 30 minutes using 45 watt USB-C charger or higher sold separately. Yeah. They will sell you separately a 45 watt charger. And if you use that one, then it can peak at 30 watts instead of 23 like last year. This is putting this in the briefing document that they send you for as a reviewer's guide is and isn't that 45 watt charger like pretty expensive too. It's a thing that I'm sure a lot of pixel A buyers won't buy. Yeah. They'll just use

whatever one they have. Yeah. I would not be surprised if a bunch of day of reviews today getting this part wrong because of how poorly this is worded in the reviewer's gap. Yeah.

“It's a lot of deciphering. I mean at a certain point these just become Gemini boxes. That's what”

Google wants. That's their end game. They just wanted them to be magical Gemini boxes that do the thing. They're not going to just with the 11 are they? They can't make it look the same you mean? They can't have it be the same spec sheet as the 10, right? They're just going to add new tensor accelerators and that's it. That's actually kind of God. That's all that matter is already

doing. Yeah. It's like all that matters. The raw horsepower GPU power, all that of tensor has never

been the reason you buy it. Yeah. And so it's just going to be more tensor cores and more AI chops. I mean kind of the same specs anyway with the acceleration of AI that we've seen in the last year. I imagine that I was going to be pretty crazy this year. Yep. Which we did get a date for officially as of yesterday. Summer. Jumping ahead a little bit but that is happening in May. It's made 19th and 20th. So we'll see if that stacks up. But I imagine there is so much competition in the AI race.

It's not even about the phones anymore. It's just about Gemini and what they can do with Gemini. So yeah. There you have the pixel experience pretty laid out. Yeah. So it makes a pixel a pixel I guess. That's what makes an 120 gig base storage. Yeah. Still. So I don't know how we even talked about that

a bunch of topics effortlessly because we're so good at that. Speaking of a lot of topics that

you may or may not get correctly or incorrectly. I see what you did there. Maybe trivia time. [Music] By the way, audience, I promise it will get more interesting. We have more I don't know. We have stuff from is nothing of the story. I thought that was super interesting. We have a lot more interesting. That's interesting. Actually, if you didn't look at our thumbnail for the main channel

“and also look at the pixel 9A thumbnail, you should go look. You should think it's one of the”

it was the most interesting thing about our video. And it's not a Photoshop by the way. Some people are thinking we Photoshop the pixel 9A thumbnail to change the color of the phone. No. We re-shot I wore the same jacket. Tech actually got a new shot. So is it more effort than Google put into Tim did change your shirt. Yes. Because you wore the same one. Yeah. But the phone colors were different. So Tim swam. You're sure. All right Adam, hit him. Hit us with some easier trivia

questions because I don't think any of us have gotten a point like okay here's the easiest question. Trivia question. Okay. What is Marquez's social security number? I know it. Six. Six.

I know it. No. So we spoke about the 10A just now. But the first pixel A phone was the 3A made by

which giant manufacturer. Oh yeah. Who made it? Yeah, back there's like 50% chance. Rotating through a couple of manufacturers to make pixels. Yeah. Well, and nexus. But you're next this is mostly.

“All the pixels are kind of made by the same team. Yeah. No. The first couple of pixels were”

wasn't it? They were all made by the same team. It was just they used like different screens. Team pixel. The pixel two. Yeah. They were made by team pixel. Which was the one where the pixel two had the screen issue because it was like some had the screens from Samsung and some had them from LG. Right. What was the one where like didn't HTC make the small version in LG made the XL. That was the different nexus.

I mean the five was made on the five X was made by LG and the six P was made by Huawei. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I missed those days. We're talking about how you don't need to update things because, you know, it's the same. I missed the nexus days, but we had no freedom. Completely different. What's it going to be? I don't know. It's going to be a totally random weird drive. We tried a shamu. Then we tried a visor. Yeah. I went back to shamu. Then we did this.

Oh, and then you liked the five. We're going to make it again. But instead of that, we're also going to have this six. What do you guys think of orange? Yes. I mean pixel two, HTC, two XL, LG. That's made by. Wow. Well, you just kind of looked up pixel two. Well, that's pixel two.

You're talking about the pixel one. Pixel three. Pixel three A. Oh, the first A phone. Okay. I'm

definitely not giving you either view hints because you probably know this exactly. I don't know what

“you need to hand over. I think I know it, but we'll see. They think they know it. They say. All right,”

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I infarct the richting in talent to finden for all the jobs. All right, welcome back. It is February, which means we are getting now a little bit more into the meat of the year. We have a Samsung event coming up and we also have just announced an Apple event coming up. I don't know what's going to be announced at any of these events. It could be anything, but we can speculate. Yeah, because last

“time we got to be plus before. Nothing. I think we know what's getting event announced at the”

Samsung event. Yeah, do we? Yes, we could be anything Andrew. What if it's a folding? They have it said. Why are your hands in your pockets? Why are they spending so much money on this launch event in San Francisco? What it's literally somebody, somebody put onto it or the launch event from last year and they said leaked S26 at the launch event. All the comments were like, wow, so cool that you got this, like, literally nobody even could realize that it was last year.

Samsung's official invitation says, "On Pact February 26, the next AI phone makes your life easier. That could be anything." Maybe what if they, this whole event is just them re announcing

Bixby? I can't wait for that day. Yeah, it's basically going to be, it comes back.

Galaxy Home. We'll find out. It's going to be S26, S26. That was peak. The Galaxy phone finally launches. Galaxy speaker. Anyway, but the Apple event we actually don't know also, but we kind of probably also do know. Yeah, we can guess. What do we hope gets announced at these types of things? Well, I wanted to see new Mac many's to run cloud about. I'm just gonna know. No, no, I'm like kind of kidding. But there are all these rumors of the new Apple A series

Macbook that we've been talking about for many, many, many months now. Yeah. And this seems to actually be the thing that people are saying might come out because the invitation that went out for people with there's this March 4 event that's happening that is apparently just going to be sort of an experience event and people are saying that there's not going to be like a keynote. They're going to release that stuff separately. But the colors in that launch event poster are the colors

that people are saying that these MacBooks might be colored as. It's like a light green, a light yellow, sort of a sort of a really cheap $700 model. Can I just say every time we do the like speculation

about what the event invite means, I always wish that someone had done like a how close were we

about previous event invites and then what it actually ended up being. Someone's probably done that.

“I think someone's done. They've like analyzed every invite and then like what the hint was on”

turn out to be. Okay. So this is the possible new colors of this colorful new cheaper entry-level MacBook powered by an A series chip. Yeah. I'm very interested in this. I think right now we're in a spot where like Apple Silicon's gotten super super good. And whenever we talk about MacBook Air, which is the current cheapest laptop they make, it is such an easy to recommend $1000 or $1100 laptop. It's almost like the default way of getting into Apple laptops.

But there are lots of laptops that are way cheaper than that. And the Mac Mini came out and was maybe the best deal in tech at like $600 and being just enough computer for anyone who just needs a computer. But what if you need a laptop and you have $600? This is a spot that Apple can probably ship a ton of laptops. Oh my god. And if the A series chip is good enough like they don't need to ship an M1 in this thing. They can ship an A series ship in super high volume. It could be a

winner. I mean they really want to compete with the Chromebooks on the education front because

“Google really locks people the hell in. I mean, I think the fact that they came out with the”

education bundle so recently, the creative apps for education and all that stuff is not a coincidence. Because the biggest, the biggest thing that really moves people through Google's ecosystem

They just continue on with it. So Apple's like we really want a piece of that pie. And considering if they're selling this to consumers at $700, I would imagine that they would give them to

“schools for even cheaper. So they could really, they could really ship a lot of these. But I think”

most people don't need the power of M5 M4 in their laptops. Yeah. So honestly, like an A18,

it's basically just an iPad but with an interface that makes sense. I think that that could be a winner.

Yes, funny because there's this whole other slate of possible things we're thinking Apple might announce. Another one is a touchscreen MacBook Pro. Maybe at some point late this year or next year something like that. Yeah. And so we're kind of keeping an eye on how macOS is evolving and what the app situation looks like and how that's happening. And obviously, there are so similar architecture anyway. Like you're running lots of those apps. It makes total sense that an A series

ship would work in a cheap MacBook. Yeah. But it now makes even more sense that we could see a touchscreen version of macOS. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is interesting because the what happens to the MacBook Air. I mean, they kind of created this really, really big pipeline of computers at

that point where the MacBook Air was supposed to be the cheapest most affordable model and it's

13 inches. So is the only differentiating factor going to be the fact that it has a not as strong processor. Yeah. I think it'll be the main thing. Air will go back to meaning middle. I think it'll be middle. But like I'd assume the if for if we're guessing that this A team version of the MacBook is going to be something almost like a Chromebook that we have to schools. I'd assume the chassis that it's in is going to be pretty little cheaper. Yeah. A cheaper

version of it, which means thicker, which means probably more ports and stuff like that for kids. When so then like are we assuming this is the like the cheaper and all aspects version of the MacBook. Then the air is kind of like the in between. I understand I don't need a ton of processing power or ports thinner. I'm traveling all the time. It gets everything done. I need to be the cheaper. I don't say grown-up version, but yeah. And then then we have the pros that are pro models.

Yeah. I kind of see it as an expansion of the lineup downward and I don't know what to expect

“ports wise from this. I think naturally if it's going to education, you have to have a couple of”

ports, but I could see Apple not doing that. Yeah. I'm just kidding. Everything's on USB ports. Yeah. Maybe not ports. Do you have it? Do you? But all that education stuff is on the internet. It's a good point. Do you really need any ports besides the charging port?

I just I always picture an HDMI port, but I haven't been in a classroom in so long that I'm not

even sure you need that anymore. The kids don't need it. They definitely don't need it. The kids don't need it. HDMI is like only for the pros. I guess if you want to think about it of like the iPad lineup of like they had an iPad mini an iPad pro and then they had the like iPad for education one that's still had the old button and everything for super super cheap like yeah. This MacBook would be that like exactly. Yeah. So it puts iPad it puts air in the middle again. So in the iPad lineup it's

iPad then there's air in there's iPad pro and then air is in the middle. So the MacBooks it would be like the MacBook. This is like the 12 inch MacBook they wanted to do. I literally have pulled up back in the middle. Yeah, yeah. It's like a slightly smaller, slightly cheaper, slightly underpowered, but totally fine for most people laptop. And then if you really need the upgrade, okay, here's a bigger screen, here's a bigger battery. It's the MacBook Air. It's 1100 bucks and it's

all the computer you probably need. And on the pros for the people who need that. Yeah, air is in the middle again. And then what else is air? I mean iPhone Air is kind of in the middle. Sort of. Yeah, I swear. It's the price that it also in the middle. So yeah. It kind of works. It's from where it's have a 12.9 inch display. Whereas the MacBook Air has 13.6. Not a huge difference there. It's something I was really hoping they would go for an actual like 12 inch super hyper portable display.

Especially if they're trying to get into the education market where kids backpacks are like the

“size of a purse. I think that could be really helpful. Am I the only one just straight up picturing the”

MacBook from 2015? No, yeah, for sure. And there's 12 inch MacBook. Make the bezel bigger and that's that. Yeah, well small. It's funny about this. I mean, I would love that. I think that the 12 inch MacBook, hear me out in the trashcan Mac Pro have a lot in common. Ready ready for this? I'm going to blow your mind. Ready. This was back in the earlier days of almost like late Johnny I have Apple of ultra minimalism where they had an idea of a computer that they wanted to make, but they didn't have the

silicon to really make it a reasonable computer. Concepts of a computer. So the Mac Pro trash can was like this ultra small single fan computer with like an Intel chip in there and like dual radion GPUs. It was ridiculous. It was crazy that they even tried that, but they did and it was a computer that would readily overheat and leave dead pixels in your video exports. But it was a thing that they probably could have done with Apple Silicon a couple of years later really, really well. The 12 inch

Yeah. And it was a smaller, a little bit underpowered, a little bit too much heat throttle type of computer where like if they had Apple Silicon back then, that would have actually been a reasonable

“computer. So I think this is them revisiting that concept. I don't think they're going to revisit”

that trashcan Mac Pro. I think that's just Mac Studio now. Yeah. But that's like the two early four Mac, two early for Apple Silicon idea that can come around and actually be good again. I wish that they would release the trashcan again as the trashcan fan edition. Made Pro. Good. We're gonna have a chip. That'd be so sick. I have so many other thoughts about

Mac Pro. Mac Pro's basically dead. Yeah. I think and we can get to some of these other

rumors because we're expecting more M5 MacBook Pro's and like higher end like finishing out the M5 chip lineup like an M5 Pro in an M5 Max. Whether Ultra ever gets other and from M2 Ultra. I'm not sure because the Mac Pro is still on M2 Ultra. Yeah. At this point there is an M3 Ultra chip. It's only in Mac Studio. There is no M4 Ultra chip yet. If they did make it. It really makes it. Does that mean you cannot buy a Mac Pro that can do ray tracing then? Because I think ray tracing

was not at M3. That's crazy. It's a bummer. RTX on, baby. I have a Mac Pro on my desk. I've been using an editing. It's M2 Ultra. It's a great computer. I also have one internal PCI card in there. It's got like a 90 terabyte SSD raid and that's super useful for my backup.

There is no reason I should be using a Mac Pro still. I should just use a Mac Studio.

There's so funny because they're like 90% air on the inside. It's just air flow. It's the Mac air. So I might as well at this point like my next desktop computer is I think an M5 Ultra Max Studio with like a single Thunderbolt cable to like my little SSD backup. I think that's what it has to be because I think Mac Pro is just apples done with like giving that attention and

“resources. Because what you should do is they make these like rack units that have four of”

Mac Studio that have a Thunderbolt port like built into the back. So as soon as you put it in the rack it like plugs into the Thunderbolt. And then it adds to like one or two PCIe cards slots in it. Yeah. You can still use your giant hard drive. And what's really cool is there's like this

a lot of them have this mechanical situation where you push a button on the front that pushes an

armature that links around the back. So it moves the power button to the front. Oh that's hilarious. It's funny because I the difference now that Thunderbolt 5 is out. It's it's enough bandwidth for me to do what I was going to do with that PCI storage. I think there's still people who use PCI for other things and you'd all that bandwidth for. But for me accessing like 40 terabytes of backup footage, I can edit off of the Thunderbolt 5 drive at this point. Yeah. So you're going to need to edit

off of those drives you already have because the cost of storage is up of 10x from one of the year ago.

“Yeah. So yeah. I think my Mac Pro is on its way out at some point and I'm hoping to see an M5”

ultra even though we don't even have M5 ultra. It would be nice. Yeah. Well speaking of there's some other things that we're probably going to see. Probably an M5 Pro and M5 Macs Macbook Pro because they still have not released M5 Pro and M5 Macs that's correct. Right? Yep. No, no Macmony with M5. They said M5. They haven't talked about the Macmony. Apparently some new potentially cheaper displays which could be cool because currently you've got the studio display

which is cheaper and then you've got the Pro display XDR which has not been updated in a really, really, really long time. Maybe something in the middle could be nice, you know, something that's pro but isn't $6,000. Both of those displays are in a really weird place in the market. Like Andrew, you know a lot more about like displays and the variety displays you can get. But I just feel like the Pro display XDR is a $5,000. It's well, and a $1,000 stand. Plus a $1,000

and a texture coating. That's online. It's like, and it's a $60 display. So on paper it looks ridiculous but it has the brightness, it has the color calibration, it has like what we need for everyone on the studio seeing the exact same color which is awesome. The studio display, Kirkman, he runs $1,700, I think. I think it's $17. Also, $60. Yeah, $27 display. It's kind of, it gets pitched by Apple and these like kind of creative scenarios sometimes because it's a studio

display. Yeah. But also like the display for your bedroom or the display for just the computer you having your house, it's kind of a silly buy. The rumor is going to be studio display too. Okay. So just um, date to it. And this is from nine to five Mac and they're saying that they're thinking it will have a higher refresh rate, either 90 or 120 Hertz, please. And a 19 chip in it because currently has the a 13 byonic chip in it. That's to allow this camera and speakers and

stuff to do with the Apple Magic. Potentially a mini LED display which is good and HDR support.

reasonably priced. Yeah, not sure. I can cross my finger so I don't know. Well, the last part.

Yes, take a bite too. But I imagine it'll be about the same price. I think that there are just

“not that many good thunderbolt displays right now and that's what a lot of people come back to”

when they talk about the studio display is like it's lacking on a lot of features but they're just not a lot of displays but you can just plug in one cable and everything just works perfectly. Yeah, there's a small handful. I've seen some reviews. There's like the LG Ultra fine stuff and I think we have like a Dell one now that I've gotten really, it's like the giant five case. Yeah, certainly big. So there's some interesting choices out there. Almost all of them are

a least higher refresh rate. I can't believe Apple is still shipping like this expensive of the display at 60 Hertz. It's hard to compare like you said the purchase play XDR because you're looking at things that are like color calibrated and once you start getting into those monitors, they're niches well and super expensive. So if you're looking at pure specs, you could probably find 800 monitors that are better for 6 grand. Yeah. Yeah. But then you get into that.

But then in like so niche in their in color calibration world, there's like $40,000

monitors. That looks nice. It's great around the back, which is the most important part that's

behind your walls. Yeah. Every day I walk around the side of my desk and I just check the back just to make sure that she's greater holes are still nice. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. And then some other potential updates, A18 base iPads. So just kind of bumping that up M4 iPad Air. So it's in the middle, finally getting M4 iPhone 17E, which again, we don't really expect anything to be different from the 16. It's going to be so funny. They got to have Max. I hope they do the same

thing. Pixel just did because if 16E was already busted of the year last year, terrible phone to buy. If 17E is exactly the same when they then made the base 17 like a deal. Like we finally said it, an iPhone was a deal. Yeah. If then it's the same as the 16E, it's going to be somehow a worst deal that I'd be scratching. That would be crazy. And none of us would be surprised by it at all. So just a new chip. And maybe the new like dynamic island, I guess, is that it? I guess. I can't

even remember what this is. I don't even remember. I don't even remember. I don't know. 60 Hertz at the notch. Yeah. Thicker bezels, no mags, safe, no fast charge. It has wireless charging, but no mags, that's obviously. Yeah. And like black or white are the only colors, single camera, like really truly a base phone, like single speakers at the bottom, like really base phone. I don't see them changing a lot of that stuff. They're just going to probably do a chip bump and maybe it's display bump

to like the at this point, like the the first dynamic island LCD that they ever made. Did they ever

do an LCD dynamic island? Maybe not. So maybe it's an OLED. Maybe it's an OLED. Only OLED. Yeah, I would have to be OLED if it was a dynamic island. So that'd be cool. Yeah. And then I guess the same phone otherwise. Exactly. Yep. Starting at 600 bucks. Hmm. Yeah. Okay. 16E is already OLED. So that's good. It'll be OLED. That's good. It seems like it's quite a month of quote unquote updating things. Slide updates for 20s. Slide updates. It's like Samsung, Google, and Apple are just not really updating

things. And these, these are still the companies that are like mega companies that are big enough to not be as price sensitive with memory with all that's happening. Yeah. Like we think GPUs remember.

“Well, that's stuff. Yeah. That's that. I mean, I think Apple can basically just eat the cost at”

this point. Even if it eats into their margin to the point where they lose money, I think they're willing to eat the cost. Thinking that maybe within a year memory will go back down because they don't want to be unstable and dynamically changing their pricing constantly, especially for a mega corporation like that. That would be a bad look. We do have one more event though. There's going to be a nothing event for the nothing for a on the fifth. And Carl paid decided to do what Carl paid

does. And he took the Apple event invite and he made a little Photoshop spray paint thing of nothing and over the Apple logo and then put March 5th instead of March 4th. Meet funny kind of almost a call back almost a call back to 2018 when there was going to be a one plus event that Carl was the head of and they announced it and it was a big fanfare and then two weeks before they have before Apple was like actually we're going to have an event on that day. And then

one plus had to literally move to a week later because they're like we literally cannot cover you. They moved a week. I thought they went to like once. That was like we moved it a week after.

“I think they moved it a week later. It was really funny though because everyone in my room is like”

so which one are you going to? Yeah, we all knew. If this is a call back to that, I'll give Carl some credit for me. That's funny. I think if you can joke about something funny that happened to you the best that probably screwed up a lot of things. Yeah. Well ironically this for A seems to be the only thing that has a new design. So I guess you got to give you got to give credit or it's do. I've got a kind of a thing here on we're getting a lot of tweets because Apple just announced

us if we are going to put it on. So let me explain what's happening and then explain if we will be honored or not. They lost launch their video podcasts experience on the podcast app which let's people stream through HTTP live streaming and you will be able to download for offline viewing.

“This is something they just announced on Monday. I think it was in the press release Apple said”

we were putting creators in full control of their content and how they build their businesses while making it easier than ever for audiences to listen to or watch podcasts. So everyone's asking

us what we're putting it on it and right now the answer is no because we can't because mega

phone is not one of the partners that's working with this so far. It is opening with art19, Omni Studio, Simplicas and ads with those are all the platforms of publishing that will be able to use this. Does say there will be more participating partners later but we're in the box made of podcast network and we use mega phone which is also owned by Spotify. So I don't know when they will be joining the Apple podcast video platform for this but it is kind of cool that they're

allowing dynamically inserted video ads including host reads which is a big thing in video podcasting right now that's still kind of weird if you watch this on YouTube. Those are obviously not dynamically inserted. They're YouTube videos. Until that gets added we'll see what that does podcasting and podcast ads are so based on dynamically inserted ads because when you're downloading and streaming audio all the time it gets swapped out and that's kind of how people can find ways to advertise on their

so much easier when you can't see if the host is wearing a different shirt or not. On video podcast we re-record our ads every week. I think box things were crazy that we do that but we do because we like things to be as high quality as they are even if it's an ad you're going to skip. So we'll see what that does. The reason we're we sell to see how this plays out though because the way Spotify did video and the reason we're one of the reasons we're still not on there is like

we were worried and it might still take over the if they take the video audio and turn that into the audio thing we might lose all of the advertising that's coming through box or whichever podcast network we're with and if they're doing their weird ads just from Spotify if Apple were to do something like that I don't know we need to see what it does because I don't think people realize how much ads in podcasts is what yeah makes or breaks and also just to be transparent like we're we're

half a podcast or half the YouTube channel basically and we need to keep getting views on YouTube

“because that's how we grow to make money discoverability that kind of stuff and it's just kind”

of awkward now that everyone's like just put it in here because we don't get paid for that. So I understand the flexibility in being able to jump between the audio and the video and the same app is nice but if if the waveform YouTube channel starts getting less and less views because people are watching them on Spotify and Apple podcast and then we don't get money for that it's kind of hard to it's also it'll's weird it'll be once like podcast networks who seems

pretty I don't want to say behind but the podcasting in general is not really up to date with advertising everywhere else so once they get stuff working and figuring out rates and stuff like that it could totally work and I wonder how much we would lose on if it would be on Spotify like if it's just our audio listeners wanting to hop into video if that would actually hit our YouTube at all there's there's just a lot more to it than just can you post it on like the reason Joe Rogan took that

$10 million deal or whatever it was a $100 million so it's because we turned it down

this week yeah because they were he was the B-plan but there isn't he took the $100 million

“deal it was like he was making a lot of money on YouTube yeah that's how much it cost to convince him”

to not put it on you exactly yeah so yeah and I think it's also you know worth remembering that YouTube is still technically the largest podcast platform and has a lot of influence on how podcasts get made and shared and we are a podcast but as you said we're a YouTube channel as well and so there's different things he optimized for in different formats that you lean into yeah so Apple podcast does a decent job of doing like charts and different suggested shows so I think some some podcasters who

maybe are smaller that have video where like introducing it to that might introduce you to a new audience totally which could be cool but in terms of us doing it quite yet yeah we've got a lot of stuff to figure out before we hop on that I think Apple podcasts may be in my opinion in my limited experience the only other podcast platform that is big enough and has enough discoverability through those charts that you could be swayed to go all right we should be putting everything on

Apple podcasts because people will find us there and we'll chart there sometimes we'll get new viewership there I could see that yeah it's much easier to come in so on about YouTube there but yeah I could see that any other way competition is good like if Vimeo ever got big enough to be

and YouTube I want to like battle it out on who pays the most to video viewers then go at it like

“E my guess B my guess it's podcasting is more of a concept I think that it's not what it used”

to be everything's just a talk show now yeah I feel like the beauty of podcasting before was that you could just record something put it on RSS and like be done with it yeah to have like ads now

the problem I wish there was like just some free third party thing where we can upload our

long video related protocol if only there was some way to like insert it dynamically and an open manner into each video that'd be crazy yeah but YouTube Spotify Apple none of these platforms are ever going to let that happen so like this is the the conundrum we're in where this podcast industry is kind of exploding it's on Netflix now HBO has podcasts after game phones it's like there's so many different places to upload video the fear too is like why we're with the podcast

network that does audio ads and stuff like that is going through an RSS feed and where whenever we start seeing Spotify or Apple trying to do it it's like well what cut are they going to start trying

to take or figuring out or controlling ads and jumping on it first as a established place doesn't

seem like the best they were an open federated protocol we wouldn't have to have a middle man just saying maybe that's something I should vibe code it with a clodbotic clodcon or whatever's called okay well we love games on this podcast we have late leaving playing more and more games

“just like people keep playing games with my heart so I think Adam is going to do a game with us after”

we do this second trivia question we do those games if phone companies made phones fun at all anymore that's right you're a gamer you cannot afford but I'm sorry guys earlier in the

episode we talked about ring but ring was not always called ring what can a shark tank they were on

shark they were and Kevin O'Leary tried to get it and he said no he didn't make a deal and then they went on to sold Amazon for a bazillion was it a billion I believe same as Instagram a bazillion a bazillion a bazillion a bazillion yeah Jeff Bezos like I could do so much evil with this surveillance that you say Malatia movie you say but before it was called ring was it called surveillance day A doorbot B Campbell or C stoop watcher there's no way I have those

“Campbell yeah wait I'm not gonna it's one of those three terrible names yeah so I love my”

Campbell was gonna say they would like suit immediately in this Campbell it was like how like Amazon's originally was like Abra or something like all of these companies like start off with something goofy and then eventually hire a marketer who's like okay we gotta do something like Abra at least is like the other ones are just attempting to do a pun really poorly that sounds like what chat GPT would tell me if I was trying to make what the internet I didn't get any like primary sources

to confirm this but with the internet it's sort of seem to indicate it was that like they started off like as a camera company like like camera for your house and that was not marketing well and so they pivoted to being a smart doorbell that happened to have a camera and now that people are just okay with being surveilled 24/7 now they're like we're a camera company I guess not I guess they try to be like guys we're a camera company here's a Super Bowl ad I didn't notice like

I didn't like that just just go ring ring someone's at the front door well think about it welcome back we are going to play two truths and a lie producer table versus host table oh so there will be points up for grabs I will say a product and we're gonna tell you three specs from that product one of them will be completely made up two truths one lie about all of these products you guys need to agree on which one you think it is okay and then if we fold you we

get the point if you get it right you get the point okay all right real products yeah real products all right let's start easy all right pixel 10 pro yep the first spec it comes in two screen sizes the pro which is 6.3 inches and the pro XL which is 6.7 inches second spec yep seven years of software updates the third spec comes with a year of Google AI pro a $209 value I'd like trying the seven years every single thing the seven years is of security updates and pixel drops not full on us software

straight from their website and you said seven seven years of software updates I think that's a lie

“that's my guess because it's security updates not and pixel drop I think it's the lie because in seven”

years AI will have destroyed humanity so there won't be a seven years of new features and updates if that changes it okay okay so 6.3 and 6.7 does that sound right for 6.3 yes that sounds right 10 pro 10 pro XL yep and then or did they change the screenshot size by 0.1 or was that Apple I have the pro my desk I'm fair oh no I think that's right I think it's right 6.3 so maybe it doesn't come with Google AI pro for a year I thought it did or maybe it wasn't a 238 oh it doesn't come

with ultra no no it doesn't that's crazy that's the 200 dollar yeah pro is 20 dollars do you remember to repeat sounds like something that would come let's hear him one more time manner two screen sizes the pro 6.3 inches and the pro XL 6.7 inches seven years of new features and updates or comes with a year of Google AI pro a $239 value is it not a 239 dollar value does it be easy one this is easy one because it's like a very modern device it's like things off

“their website you know i think it's see yeah all right part of everything sees throwing one screen size off”

go see go see let's go see is the last thing wrong we get the point what the size the pro XL with 6.8 inches I knew they changed it by 0.6.8 I knew they changed it by 0.1 play on inches okay you got us damn it we're letting this game sit yeah also can I just say I love that we bought whatnot we were the royal we bullied these that Google into seven years of software updates we slowly we slowly bullied these companies into actually providing seven years is a long time

I mean it didn't the iPhone when iPhone just got an update after like 10 years recently they said headline it was just some security up there was like a security yeah like 10 years before wasn't it yes or a great six but very few companies update things for seven years that's a great long they usually forget it exists after one year yeah you know more cuz i'm really glad you brought that up because the next product on our list arguably the greatest consumer product ever released by

any company ever I know a lot of customers yeah better than the human a ipin oh more benefit society than penicillin the iPhone 12 mini the wheel are you guys way more than the wheel way more than fire dude I'm too hot anyway he said guys iPhone 12 mini a the iPhone 12 mini

has a screen to body ratio greater than 85 percent the iPhone 12 mini is the oldest iPhone still

fully compatible with iOS 26 fully compatible I'm not talking about security patches I'm talking about iOS 20 that's right I think the 11 is the iPhone 12 mini was part of the first series of iPhones to have ceramic shield I think the 11 is the 11 is the 26 one I swear elis said something it was from being the last it was one of the ones that ceramic shield I did say the 12 now

“the 12 is what added ceramic shield I think it's remember that I feel like I remember 12 being”

ceramic shield it was yeah and then what was the first thing again I think the 12 mini screen to

body ratio greater than 85 percent it's probably 86 I kind of wish like just under I think it has

under 85 now because I think the notch in his phone that's small yeah and it's bezels which is worth thinking about oh gee like screen to body ratio we're like 88 I need one solancer it's a well I got out voted so the screen to body ratio is the lie yes cut out voted guys the screen to body ratio of the iPhone 12 mini is 85.1% making it higher than 85 percent you want to know something even more in fear eating still 11 it's the 11 baby guys

when we learn to listen to me the one before I said I think it's the screen size and you told me no yeah I didn't know about that I know about this one so the iPhone 11 is the one that's fully supported yeah I thought 11 is the oldest phone fully supported I I didn't call that immediately did well immediately I was right number three and he has a table well David got his one right so he can't get any other right so so good that any hesitation we're losing guys we're done all right

Oculus Rift S it was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo used an OLED panel with an 80 Hertz refresh rate

I need you that it's 90 Hertz wait can you say the three things again because I didn't

I thought you were still explaining the Oculus Rift I didn't know you were doing the thing partnered made in partnership with Lenovo okay uses an OLED panel that has an 80 Hertz refresh rate now it's got me 90 featured software oh had software only IPD interpubillary distance I'm pretty sure Valve put out like a paper that said for people to

“not get sick it has to be 90 or higher that sounds so I think I just companies focused on 90”

Hertz I want to believe David again I've also seen some weird refresh rates on VR headsets yeah like 48 really a 96 48 maybe not 48 that sounds too low as I'm too low but let's go with that I gotta say that this one for stipulation I'm not as no okay

we're today ever seen software only IPD ever I've never heard of that you mean phobia to rendering

no when like the when you first set up a headset and you hear the motors move the lenses to match your eyes I've never heard of software only IPD I mean I it's possible that the Rift is the cheapest one and but this is the Rift this is like the crazy of Rift S the Rift S which was I believe the last one before before wait it was made by Lenovo it was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo did Lenovo make this I don't know that one at all I don't know Lenovo could be behind a thousand

products and I would never know about it I think we have no you would find every credit for it even greater Lenovo there's somewhere in that product is the little red mouse play is it's

still a valve paper and they probably wouldn't shift their own under 90 Hertz no but Valve yeah but

that's the that's the that's Valve that's not Lenovo slash Oculus like Oculus might have yeah like Lenovo did not make the Oculus S yeah I go back I don't see them in that space at all I need they did make sure oh yeah I'll confirm all they do it that but yeah I think it's sake is they they did make the windows VR headset the Lenovo windows VR headset but that was not Oculus S I'd say it's good but it means they've been in that space before this is a

shot that's around the dark Lenovo yeah Lenovo is a lie oh my god wow you guys are doing great oh my god it was an LCD panel not an OLED panel that was the guy who said OLED should have heard OLED because that was really obvious no that I didn't even write you guys were going so hard on everything else like what the number was that that was B number two use an OLED panel with an 80 Hertz refresh rate and I knew throwing the Hertz in there would really touch you guys when I was in

Philly on Monday I was like locked in but I wasn't Philly on one day I went to a this museum type

“thing where everything is a mosaic and there's like a there's like a thing where you have to find”

specific things in the mosaic and it's this felt like one of those things where you're staring directly at it but you just didn't see the one thing that it asked for and I just didn't even hear you guys say OLED. So I wasn't even thinking about it and I was thinking about everything around it. Yeah. This one should be way easier. Okay, I'm locked in. Lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it, lock it. There's a three pointer.

This category. This one's, this one's, yeah how confident I am. It's like, this is an 8 pointer. Let's do it. Ready. All right. There is a cucumber emoji. No, there's there is an orca emoji. There is a barbeque emoji. There's no cucumber. There's a barbeque. Like a barbeque like the stand. I've seen that too. There is no cucumber. It's the cucumber. cucumber. Final answer. cucumber cucumber. Final answer. Final answer.

Was it the barbeque? Yeah, there's no barbecue. It's because I remember a barbeque. It's probably a slack might have its own barbeque emoji. Yeah. Also, that was sort of a trick question because the orca is not an iOS yet, but it is in Unicode. What? Yeah. They just haven't added it to the apple. Apple keyboard yet. But you didn't say apple. I didn't. Which is why they're. Oh, my god.

“There is it. That's what that's why I see it. Wow. Just if you search orca emoji on your iPhone,”

it will not come up. I can't believe it is cucumber and a pickle. Oh, my god. Is a cucumber and pickle? The pickle is also not. I actually think the pickle is going to not see a pickle. It's the same as a cucumber. I only see the cucumber. No, no, no, no. I have the answer to this. The pickle is so right now where the most recent like confirmed approved in Unicode emoji is 17. That's not in iOS. 18 is going to get confirmed. I think in the coming weeks and there is a pickle I believe in emoji.

What's the difference? I want to really pickle. I want to see like how they make the visual difference between that. Next Android honeycomb. This is on you. Famous for its hollow user interface.

Yeah. Which one is hungry? How do you come with five? I believe you don't. On the. Yeah,

“the zoom tab. A motor zoom. Yeah. So agree. Yeah. It's wrong. It's not. Are we locking it in?”

Honeycomb is a tablet UI only. So it did not. It was hollow. The Galaxy Nexus is a phone. Yeah, it was ice cream sandwich on the Nexus 4.0 and then five was. But just to be sure, can you reread the question and the possible answers? The question is Android honeycomb. Here are the three things about it. One. Famous for its hollow user interface. Two. They booed on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Three. Introduced recent apps from multitasking. It didn't

debut on the Nexus. Honeycomb. Honeycomb. Clear for you. Gingerbread. Honeycomb. Ice cream sandwich was 4.0. Right. On the. I'm fairly sure that honeycomb was famous for hollow. It was for tablets and it debuted on my Motorola zoom and it leadership up on the ASUS transformer tablet. So I'm going with. Yeah. The

debut on a Nexus. It's. Correct. All right. Finally they're on the board with one. We're God. That was

a layup. Yeah. All right. Let's do. Let's hit it with another market. I guess that was all you guys

“knew that, but this one's really the market special. But you should also know it except maybe.”

And you use the other one sometimes because this product is. I wish I had a drum roll. I guess that's the next button I got to put. Final Cut Pro was originally called key grip and developed by a company called macro media. Final Cut Pro was acquired by Apple in 2001. And Mark has this one is just for you. You can temporarily disable Final Cut Pro's signature feature, the magnetic timeline by holding

down the tilde key. He's never done that before. I know. He doesn't in a not different crazy way.

You can do that. You could be lying allegedly. So. So when I was in high school, I was using Final Cut 7. I believe 7 from that. And that was 1864. It may have made it 7 by my senior year. My senior year in high school was 2008. So if 2001 was when it got acquired, that would presumably be Final Cut 1. And then the timing kind of like match up. Right that. So right. I checked in the 2001 part because I remember Apple acquired it. I remember it was key grip before. Okay. I don't

remember the name of the company that developed it, which if that's the gotcha, then I'm not going to get it. But it was key grip and it was acquired by Apple. And if so of 2001 makes sense, then the things that were fact checking are the tilde or the name of the company that owned it before Apple 2001. 2001 could be like a year off. I'll make it a little more interesting. It's not the name of the company is not the gotcha here. I'm not saying whether it was actually

called key grip or not, but we're not double, double tricking the odd. I was using Final Cut 7 in 2006 through 2008. I know that for sure. Okay. So that was already owned by Apple. By then. Yeah. Yeah. It was fine. Yeah. Final Cut. I actually don't know if I was owned by Apple, but I think it used it on a Mac. It was pretty, it was pretty much like the Apple thing. It was actually 1999. One of its most popular versions was seven. Yeah. So is the gotcha there potentially,

so that's key grip turned it into Final Cut before Apple acquired it? Or, oh. No. Is that what you guys are saying? Because I assume when Apple acquired it, that's when it became Final Cut. Yeah. Apple, but I don't know the lore there. So did Apple acquire Final Cut or did they acquire key grip? That's not the gotcha either. Okay. So the gotcha is either the tilde. I think it's the tilde. There's a screw with you. There's no, there's no, there's no. It's just one of them.

It's just a lie. It could be the tilde. I think they're trying to, maybe you can hide that. Hold down

“the other key. Yeah. I think it's the tilde. I don't think you can disable magnetic timeline. I think”

you can disable magnetism of clips like your playhead with the tilde, or maybe not the tilde, but you can disable an enable magnetic snapping. Oh, yeah. But not the whole magnetic timeline. I think it is snapping. So I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with C. Yeah. Is the actual lie. Yeah. So I think it is snapping. What do you mean? What in like the magnetic snapping? You can disable magnetic snapping. So the magnetic timeline is when you're dropping clips onto the timeline itself.

and you stack above and below the magnetic timeline, you can still snap clips together instead of

having to get to the exact keyframe because of the magnetic feature of the playhead. I got it. This one, I just have to think. So we are right. You're not right. But the thing is it's like, well, let's see, right? Because it's kind of like accidentally, right? Because the best kind of right. So the, the, the tilde. I have something to just let you move clips everywhere. They don't, they don't magnetize to stuff. I don't know if when you're moving stuff with the tilde, the tilde

“key, if other stuff still snaps to it. If you just want other stuff to not, if you just want”

other clips to not respond magnetically, you use the P key, which switches the position tool. So now I'm like, you're wrong. But like, you may have accidentally like stumbled on a right answer, because I wasn't like specific enough. Which deals in line with OLED versus LCD. It's key grip also rely. Now, I'll give you that one just because no key grip is true. And we lied about the year was a quiet. Okay. I feel like I should give you that point just because you did get me

on the specifics. Yeah. Final cut seven was released in 2009. So I, well, you got to cut the part where I said I was using into those six. Wait, what the f*** was I using then? Six? They look exactly the same. Six and seven were exactly the same. They were just six per seven. Who knows? Speaking of sevens, the iPhone seven. Okay. So seven. Yep. Some rose gold, gold, silver, black, jet black and product red has a 32, 64 and 128. That's the last. That's the life. That's the life.

If you're the A10 Fusion chip, it's there's no, it's sorry. There's no 128. Right. Can you say it, but I'd like David's collection. The confidence to the level of the courage of interruptions there. Sorry. No, no, no, no. I like, if you interrupt him, I'm team David here. We're like,

“that's how I know what I mean. So the first comes in rose gold, gold, silver, black. Can I”

interrupt? I don't know what we're talking about iPhone seven. iPhone sevens. All the colors were. Okay. Rose gold, gold, silver, black, jet black and product red. Number two has a 32, 64 or 128 gigabyte capacity. And number three featured the A10 Fusion chip. Okay. I remember the jet black iPhone. Wasn't that the? No, no, no. I agree. But he said rose gold, end gold. Yeah. No, no, he was saying, oh, he said it came in rose gold, end gold. I thought it just

came in one of those. I'm just trying to make him in black. They never had it clearly gold.

The phone that had a jet black didn't also have a black, though, right? No, I thought it did. Really? I thought it wasn't only one of them, the like seven plus. I think seven was right with the jet black because that thing, that was right when I started working. That wasn't the eight. No, because the eight came out with the 10. We haven't even started discussing the fusion. Right, though. We haven't even started discussing and what we feel like it's the seven that had gold rose gold,

no, black and jet black. I don't think there was gold and rose gold. Has that really ever released a purely old phone? I don't think so. Yeah. What? What was there like a five S that was gold?

There's like silver and gold version. Yeah. I thought they've always been that might have been rose gold.

Silver and gold. Yeah, I don't know if you're screwed. I think it was rose gold because it was like pink. Rose gold's pink red. Yeah. They never had a phone that had also gold. Was? I don't know. Eight. The rose gold that just looked like a bandage. That because that was glass back, right? Yeah. It was a glass back. Seven. What color? Well, I guess we were seven glass back or metal back. Seven. It was class, right? Yeah, because the eight was the first wireless chart. Yeah,

first wireless charging iPhone was the eight. So then seven was seven had a jet black glossy version.

“But it didn't wireless charge. I remember that phone. It was like super. That was great.”

Friends that had like scratches super easily single camera. But I don't think it had wireless charging. But it was the one that was like polished. No, the added wireless charging on the 118. Note the 12. Oh wireless charging. Wireless charging. Eight. Max A was 12. Didn't 10 the add wireless charging? You can take care about it at the same time. Yeah, yeah. So the iPhone seven did it have gold. There's too many colors rose gold.

And all they get at gold silver. Oh, it's the color. Can I make a clarification question? Yeah. When you say seven, do you mean seven lineup or just the seven? Are you counting seven plus? On Apple's website for documentation in technical specifications, it just says iPhone seven. I don't think I came in gold in rose gold. I don't remember an iPhone seven in regular gold color.

And then I am gold. I can picture it with the antenna bands, but maybe I'm just making that up in my head.

No. A 10 fusion ship is that I don't think there's any way to know. Well, we're on a 10. We're a 10 was a 10 in the iPhone 10. We're on a 18 right. Let's go backwards. A 10 in the iPhone seven would mean a nine in the iPhone six, which would mean a eight in the iPhone five or a six S. Well, no, no, we should go back from the top because start we're a 18 76 right now shut up 18 on the 17 iPhone 17. So it'd be a 16 7 A 17 15 is 16 14 is 13 12 is 13 is 12 iPhone 13 is 12 is a 12. For any young aspire podcast. No, see other

iPhone 12 is a 13. I phone 12 is a 13. I phone 11 is a 12. I phone 10 slash eight is slash eight is a 11. A 11. So then so it would be a 10. Yeah. A 10 fusion. Okay. Yeah, they lines up. Yeah. Okay. Or did they not do this? I hope it's the gold thing because it said 14 minutes ago. Let's go with the goals and let's go with the colors. But the feet. No, it was right. It didn't rough into the question. It was right. There's no 128. No, there's no 64, but it was the courage of my convictions, bro. We got to wait. They had it. So they had a 32 and they had a gold and a rose gold and a black and a jet black

32 128 256 where the storage options. They just went from 32 to 128. That's not the thing. They have the gold and the rose gold right next to each other.

So you guys are like, there's no way. They never did both gold. It's called. We're just like looking at these.

I forgot that they used to do like. Oh, it was cute. And then if you if you pay the money, you can get like a large storage. Wait, that gold was kind of nice. Was this the best lineup of colors? You and it had the best camera. Dude, this is really good. And that was a good product bread. I felt like that all. Yeah, I fun seven was the jet black was over 80. Damn. I forgot they did black and jet black sucks. But black was good. Blacks fire. Damn.

“Okay. Guys, this one's not a trick. There's no. I think that I say that really makes it sound like it was going to say.”

It's what it's just like straight up true or lie. Righty. It's the the consumer product for this one. The pause means there's a trick somewhere in here. The trick is that it's not a consumer product. It's Facts about V. Ellis. Facts about it. Are you ready. Facts number one. I have owned two phones with full courty keyboards. Physical courty keyboards on two phones. Over the course of my entire life. Fact number two, I owned three iPhones before the iPhone

lost the home button, meaning I had three iPhones between one and eight, right? Yeah.

“Can never mind. Yeah, no, clarify hit it. I feel like saying three is this exact number. Is it like more than three?”

That exact number, if it's either it three or everything else. Same thing with the two. And get it. Last fact, I have only ever owned one phone in my entire 12-year-old life. That had a T9 dialer keypad. And you know what I mean when I say T9. I mean 12 buttons arranged in a three column for row grid. Was it the LG Voyager? I'm not I can't wait. It was your head the touch screen and no. Yeah, so wasn't. So one phone with a T9 to keep had three iPhones with home buttons.

Two phones with full courty keyboards. I think it's I don't think he owned a phone with a T9 key word.

“I think he did. I think that's the lie. Oh, yeah, you're right. Do you remember when he said he bought his first phone?”

And it was a slider slider phone. It was like a Yagasaki or whatever. Yes, a T9 would be. Yeah, what? Okay, I'm happy. It's a B. So the first one is lighter than we're gone.

I think we never owned a T9. Yeah, I think it was the slider only. No, it was the Yamaha Kawasaki hybrid.

First phone was Korean. It was a sample. It was a sample. Was it really? Yes. Did it have T9? It or you are correct. I never owned. I know nothing about tech and everything about Ellis. It's great as it should be. It was a six pointer. Six points. So we're oh we're ahead of it.

Number one, the first Microsoft store was in Scottsdale, Arizona. Number two, Bing is actually the

“rebrand of an older Microsoft search engine called live search. Or number three, while the zoom no longer”

lives, the music store where you can get files for zoom, groove music is still up and running. Which one is it? What? One of these. I feel like the first store was in Santa Clara. So I can picture like the first ever Microsoft store and us all going, oh wow, it's a pretty last store, but I don't remember where that was. I would assume it's in Washington. Which is where the HQ is? Yeah, I think it's a thing I'm thinking about as I owned a Zoon HD and

ever once used whatever he said was the name of the music store. And the this would not be up and running. Still, right? That's no groove music. I remember group music. I remember group. That feels like the weird thing that we're supposed to pick. I didn't use group music. I used the Zoon store

and bought, I bought music from the Zoon store. I never, I don't think it was called groove music.

“I don't remember that. I'm pretty sure there is a group music. But was it for music, but like for what?”

I mean, but sure, if you're PC or like what would you buy it? I think it was like an MP3 purchasing platform. Because it was like old items where used to buy your songs individually. So that makes sense and I could see it have potentially pivoting definitely not selling. I need to clarify one of the things in this because the first Microsoft store as we know Microsoft stores to exist was in fact in Scottsdale or something. I can't confirm that. There was a prototype Microsoft

store like like seven or eight years before this opened. I was operated by like a Sony consumer retail division in San Francisco. So it was there for like a two-ish years. So technically, there was a retail experience called the Microsoft store. However, what we now know as Microsoft's Microsoft store retail and thing Scottsdale is on it. It's still factually correct there. So now you got a 50/50 chance. Yeah, we have a 50/50 chance. I, I, oh f**k.

All right. So probably like, I don't think groove is still up and running. Unless they pivot into a streaming service, but I doubt it because who would I, I don't know what being came from. I feel like it has to be deals, right? The groove is the thing Adam wants us to pick. Because it feels so obviously not. Does it help to say that I did not write this question? No. Microsoft's calling something live feels really on brand. It does. Which could be two on brand

on live live translation. Come on. It's right in front of you. Come on. You got this. I know it's there. I know later tonight we'll play some halo and hop on Xbox. Also, thank you. Live translation and uh, don't it? Windows live. Windows live. What was the name of the search engine you're saying? Live search. Live search. Yeah. That live search.

It feels like I can picture the blue in the logo. Live search. I don't, I know I've never heard of it though.

I've heard of it, but I don't know it was Microsoft. If I was making up a fake early generation like internet search engine name, especially from I would call it live search, because I'm searching the

“internet live. It makes more sense that it has jeeps, but I know we already remember that and said”

Bing, I don't remember a time before Bing. Maybe I'm too young. Whoa. I really don't remember what would be a great LLM at this point. Did you have a time based on there? Did you just say it was before Bing? Damn, I can't remember pre-bing. There's like BC. Hi, PB. PB and AB. Yeah, I'm, I'm exclusively a post-bing. Yeah. We just live in the post-bing world. So I think I have to choose the zoom one. I'll go. I'm somehow, like, I don't believe either of them somehow. Right. Dude. Yeah,

I don't remember through music. I don't, if they're still operating, they pivoted. So let's go with that. Yeah. What's the answer? Okay. Well, they just said they're still operating, right? Yeah. So it's probably the other one. So you think it's still search? I'll go with search. I'm thinking it's search. Okay. I'll go with that. That guy's not operating anymore. You guys had a 55-50 chance. We gave you that one. You looked into it. What's fun? As if you didn't say the other thing I probably would have

argued that we should pick Scottsdale. All right. Well, this next one you guys need to get because two out of three of you have lived in this state your entire life. So, guys, that's right.

Well, I'm going to get this wrong. You guys got the top half of New Jersey. First fast.

“The first baseball game that I'll never recorded as being played was played in Hoboken,”

New Jersey. The first baseball game that is like recorded and we have the score and what happens. It's so funny thing of Hoboken now. But like, baseball has been around for a very time. And in true New Jersey sports fashion, both of the teams were named for New York City. Oh, my goodness. It was the New York, Nicarbockers versus the New York 9. It's the second New Jersey fact. New Jersey has a Spoon Museum in Patterson. This Spoon Museum

has over 5,600 spoons. Watch the technicality. Guys, 599. Third New Jersey fact. New Jersey's very own. Atlantic City is the basis for the property names in the popular board game. It must be popular, yeah. That's true, New Jersey. Shoot in Latin, shoot in Latin, shoot in Latin, shoot in Latin. Candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy, candy. Oh, yeah, bro.

You've never been to the gumdrop for us to New Jersey, gumdrop for values.

Okay, this Spoon's one, I have no idea, I've never heard of it, but it wouldn't shock me. So that's where I'm at with that one. The monopoly one, I know that that is

“true, and I believe there's no gotchas in there, that sounds correct. Yeah.”

So the first one is the first ever baseball game recorded was in Hoboken, called Hoboken at the time. The first ever baseball game is so long ago. It's so long ago. Hoboken was, I mean, Hoboken, okay, to be fair, Stevens was founded in like the 1870s,

but baseball's older than that, right? Well, it came first, baseball or Hoboken.

It was, how old is the first baseball game? Yeah, when did the Louisiana purchase have? The first baseball game ever recorded? What year could that be? 1894, BB before being, because I'm 30, 46, damn. So Stevens was founded in Hoboken in 1876. I guess it's possible that there was a Hoboken in 1840 something. Wow, there's probably called, like, New York Extension at that point. New York across the river. New York.

Oh, was that part of it that they're called New York Nines and New York Nickerbuckers? Probably. I have no idea. So probably that wasn't part of the actual question that was just at more contest. The Hoboken thing? No, the name of the New York and, oh, the name of the team's name. I can't believe you haven't commented on anything that this was technically a next game. New Jersey next. They had Jaylin Brunson. I don't know.

The Patterson, my favorite. My favorite. My favorite. My favorite. My favorite. My favorite. My favorite. I know very little. I bet he wasn't called Hoboken. That's my guess. I kind of think, it's a forked museum instead. I kind of think this spoon museum. I have no opinion. The spoon museum seems like one that we would skip over and just assume it's true.

“And I think that's what makes it a good. Can I suggest that maybe we make this worth four points?”

So either you win or you lose on this and that's right. All right. That's a change. This is my favorite. We're going to do your guess anyway. Your guess is spoon museum. The spoon museum is correct. Not just David was correct. The spoon museum only has 5,400 spoons, not the aforementioned. Wait, wait. So why is not that there's a spoon museum? No, there is a spoon museum. Patterson, it just doesn't have quite as well as actually right. Oh my god. I thought there was a fork museum. No. Earlier, I said watch the technicalities going to be that it has 55.

90. Yeah. So they have they say over 5,400. So not not the over 5,600. I said, which means you guys with your 4 points have taken it to 7 points. Meaning you guys beat the hosts. We'll play the key play the we're all making sure I'm against the music. David, I would take us to trivia. However, I heard because you told me 30 seconds ago that we have Breaking news breaking news. This is WFRM. We're coming at you with some breaking news here. Finally, we're not late on a topic. We talked about ring earlier and how ring is going to not use flock for a search party feature. It's kind of not going forward with it.

Now, there's a new report from four or four media that just dropped. That has some leaked emails from the CEO of ring.

I believe that the foundation we created with search party first for finding dogs will end up becoming one of the most important pieces of tech

and innovation to truly unlock the impact of our mission. You can now see a future where we are able to zero out crime in neighborhoods. So many things to do when we get there, but for the first time ever we have the chance to fully complete complete what we started. That was a ring CEO, not the Palantir CEO. Yeah, is a ring CEO. Okay. So, you know, they're like dogs only dogs only dogs only unless we are so lucky, man. Like ring guys going to like make crime zero. Sam Altman is going to make cancer zero.

Elon is going to make poverty zero. Like these guys just are so good. They're so good at making it clear. Thanks boys. You know, sometimes there's a little bit too much skepticism, but I think that we have the perfect amount at this moment.

“Well, you know what you should have more skepticism about. Yep.”

My trivia questions because so often they require, we have a question. But we're about to do it now.

And then we're going to do another game of the next episode. Surprise. We're playing games, boy. I got games, boy. Quick update on the score. Mark has with 14. Still. Still. David with 16 Andrew with 70 and one. Okay. And the one. How long have I had 17 for? I don't think I have a point in the near. No, you have a point in the near. It's just, I don't have a point since Mark has complained about not having a point in the near. I think you haven't gotten a point in like eight episodes.

Since whenever Mark has wind about it, he cursed you. It's like you're the Philadelphia 76ers and Mark has is Jeremy. Can't trade it away. Yeah. Like our list, Jeremy. Okay. Anyway,

“we spoke about the Pixel 10A, but the first A series, Pixel was the 3A. Which giant manufacturer made it?”

And I mean, like the company that actually manufactured it, not the one that designed it, because we all know Google designed it. Oh, there's your hand. Andrew. BBK. The great. Who's that? Blues musician? I just get it. I don't think they existed anymore. Flip a minority. What do you got? Would you say? I hope I'm right. I said HTC. David, would you say? I said HTC. Is it straight?

Wrong. Andrew, would you say LG? Also wrong. It was Foxconn. Really? Yeah, you guys looking it up before confused you. Well, that's a bummer. I definitely thought you guys were going to get that one. I was trying to throw you a bone. Now you're stuck with Foxconn. You're crazy. Foxconn was throwing us a bone? They make most of the phones in the world. Yeah, I mean, every phone. Actually, I thought

they didn't look okay. Well, question number two guys, ring was not always called ring. Before they were

ring, they were called A, doorbot, B, Cabel, C, stoop watcher. Also, I should have said stoop watcher does not have any E. It's just stoop watcher with an R. Yeah, because this is like... How about the sound

“really on? Yeah. I mean, it depends where they were headquartered. Sesame Street. Is that a real place?”

Is that some street? Yeah. Yeah. It's in Atlantic City with the rest of your novelties. Right next to the gum drop. It's right next to the gum drop. It's in New York City. What's in your head? Talk about? Cambell. Okay, what? What? I mean, I'll put something different. No, Mark has to put the same thing. Yeah, Andrew and I put B. Cambell, like the soup? Yeah. What if that's if you write so bad? I put C stoop watcher. That was called doorbot.

You guys are on one. Doorbot is out. What's doorbot? It's a horrible name. This makes it easy for me 'cause I don't have to up to four graphics. Is this the same graphic for like six weeks? God. Oh, he thought it was called cambell. Instant. That instant season disease. You guys are getting good at when we ask questions to like answer the questions on the fake things. Really believeably. Honestly, when Ella said with an R, I should have known it wasn't that one. What we tried. Doorbot? I think like

most of this podcast was just out of it. I had not telling the truth. And us like floundering and

But yeah, thanks for subscribing. Thanks for hyping. If you are still hyping or able to,

“we appreciate that. Thanks for liking and thanks for rating us on whatever podcasts that”

you choose. We'll be back with you next week. And that'll be what Samsung event first. Yeah,

see you soon after the Samsung event and then the other event and then the other event after that.

“Where nothing new will be announced. No, something from nothing will be new. No, that's next week.”

Okay, so nothing new will be announced from anyone. New nothing new nothing isn't too

weeks. Nothing new is next week. Amazing. Thank you so much. Yeah, perfect. Wait,

“for it was produced by Adam Elena and Elsa. I had that sound so weird. Wait, for it was”

produced by Adam. Elena and Elsa were part of a box media podcast network in an charge of music, which was created by Vangel. This is all pure speculation. I'm not holding any of them in my pockets right now. By the way, these are facts. These are facts. No.