Air Force Analyst Lenval Logan Exposes What AARO Won't Show You About UFOs

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So finally, they put in this tape and they show this aircraft

going across Europe. And it's all-in-ass. So I'm like, who's that? And then like, you know, I was like, look, guys, let's not go through that again. Who's that?

And they said, that's your SR-71. And I was like, well, that's not him. He's going in a straight line. What about the zigzaggy thing? And this is when they blew my mind.

They pulled out another tape or something. Put it in. And you can see just about every rotation of the radar. There's this object moving all over Germany. And parts of Belgium and stuff like that.

I was so excited, guys. I said, who's that MF right there? And the guy goes, "Log it." I was like, look, let's not go through that. Who's that guy?

And they looked at me and they said, "You don't know."

They said, "Every time we called out to him, he never answers."

Dude, we're standing on a razor blade here.

“Like, did you have to disclose your friendship to me and George in order to come on our podcast”

or talk to us? Did you have formal contact questioning you about our releases as well as informal? Yeah. I had both. I had both.

Just, you know, I don't know if it was just someone being curious. On the official side or on the on the official side, I know that for sure. People being curious. But people were like, hey, did you see this video? Do you know how they got it?

This is weaponized. You know, Jeremy, you and I have both been on the Joe Rogan Show. And you know what it does to your anonymity, your public profile. Once you're on that, it's pretty hard to walk through an airport without somebody going, "Hey, you, I saw you on Rogan, even if it's another country, right?"

First time I stepped out of Rogan's studio with Lizard, like stepping out, he just put his arm up and he's like, "Don't read comments." And I go, "Oh, okay. I didn't realize back then, especially that, yeah, one thing you can't take back is your face." And what you say with your face, with your mouth hole.

So yeah, it's pretty powerful. And I know we've had some friends on there that are pretty special people. Well, including today, we've got somebody who has been on the Rogan Show. But somehow, miraculously, you know, slip through the rain drops without getting wet. I mean, you still has a relatively low profile, even after being on there.

We've known Langbal Logan for a long time, but we never sort of publicized our friendship.

And I'm sure even appearing on the same screen in different boxes with us is going to cause them all kinds of problems. I would think. But that's really great. Just why don't you tell the next guest that he's going to take hell and hellfire and grim stone and slings and arrows, because he's in a box with us.

“And I just want to warn him that his life is going to be ruined after this.”

But you know, so your last name is Logan. And your first name, Langbal, nobody uses it. Everyone calls you Logan. So your name effectively is Logan Logan, right? Yeah, pretty much military thing.

You get it. Logan has spent 20 plus years in the US Air Force. You're from the UK. And then you became a contractor. It's kind of a broad term.

And today, I'd like to drill down on it because you know, a heck of a lot about what goes behind the scenes. Analysis of UAP videos and imagery. You've worked on programs that we're trying to get to the bottom of things. And we're really interested in how that process works. As far as you can go, I know there are some sensitivities.

You can't go over the line and even wouldn't do that to help us out in form the public. But we want to be respectful of your career and your credentials.

Jeremy, remember when we first saw Logan?

It was at SCU at Lakeland.

“Yeah, so never going to admit first contact even with an extraterrestrial species.”

But I will say this is we were together at SCU. And he was telling me about something he was cooking up. And everybody seemed to really respect this guy, you know. And so we stepped outside and had a little talk. And instantaneously, I knew this guy must be an all-source analyst.

Because just the way his mind was thinking and problem-solving in the conversation. And I want to brag about my friend, Logan, for a second. He took me aside one time. And he said to me, "Hey, man, we need to insulate, not isolate." And when he said that to me, I instantaneously understood that he was a guy that knew that if we were going to make progress,

we'd have to do it together. And even if you don't have trust or you're building trust or someone has an agenda, that you still got to insulate, not isolate. So thank you, Logan, for teaching me that day. But we've also had numerous times throughout the history of our development over the last ten years or whatever.

Since 2017, I'll say, where people like Logan have talked to us, like unofficially,

within the boundaries, always colored within the lines.

And there's part of why I wanted him on as well, because he got some fingers pointed at him. And, you know, let's just address it.

“But yeah, so that's how I know Logan George is.”

I instantly knew that he was a pal and he had something to teach me. Logan, what did you do in the Air Force? And how did that lead to work as a contractor? And can you tell us contractor for whom? I can't really say contractor for whom, but various parts of the I see.

But I started off as a B-32 crew chief in Upper Michigan. For Rose my butt off, for three years, actually got frostbite, three years in a row. And I begged them to say, send me some place warm and they tried and then they couldn't do it.

So I said, I'm out and then they said, well, you look to solve problems.

What if we gave you an intel job? And I was like, "Is it inside?" I said, "Yes." And after that, I jumped all over it. And through that experience, I got to do a lot of different things. I was stationed in Bidberg, Germany.

And so from 1985 to 1990, it was in Upper Michigan. From 1993 was in Bidberg. And I saw some things there. But I even saw some things outside of the military when I was still living in England. So as I retired from the Air Force, I was doing some air domain stuff.

“And it was funny, my spouse said, hey, what are you going to do when you grow up?”

And I said, I said, this is going to sound really weird. But I really want to find out what these things are flying around the sky and stuff like that. And then it was like six months later, the story came out with Louis Lausanne. She's looking at me and I'm like, yeah. Yeah.

And so we just laughed about it. And then I engaged with Lou. And even though I was already working as a contractor at a place, I just told Lou, I said, I said, listen, I probably things that you're tracking that you seem to have a problem with it. If you're all that, come visit me.

And I want to just see, could he get through the doors? All the security and all that other stuff? And next thing you know, Lou, Chris Melon, Jay Stratton, and an entourage showed up in my office and I was like, oh, I've got myself into something here.

You know, and they presented their problems at. I kind of went, that's not real. That's not real. That I'm not sure about this thing here. I can show you that it's real.

And they started talking among themselves and they said, we were told, this is not real. And I said, here's something else that would indicate that it's real. And they kind of went quiet for a while and started not in their head. We finished our conversation and then it was funny.

They were leaving. And then I saw Jay Stratton lean over to Lou. And Lou turned back around and said, you're in.

And that's how I came part of the task force. So it's kind of weird. You said you had seen a guy at Jeremy. You said you had seen things at various, various places. Meaning seeing it in the course of your work in files on screens

or you saw things with your own eyes in the sky or both. I saw both. So when I was in England as a kid, I was about 11 years old. And I lived in the town of Nottingham. So Sherwood Forest.

I knew the sheriff there. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we're still mad at you guys because of that time I see a Robin Hood movie.

It's never the real castle, but that's another story.

But friend of mine, we're throwing a softball.

“And I think you remember back in the days”

where people used to throw their sneakers on the telephone lines. You know, so we threw the ball. There was a sneaker tied upon the telephone lines. And way off in the distance, there was this triangular thing.

To me, it looked like an iron that you iron your clothes with. The top part was gray. The whole bottom part was glowing. And I said, what is that? And my friend said, oh, that's a helicopter.

And I was like, I don't hear anything. And so we went inside and told his mom and she pretty much told us to shut up and sit down and eat. So that was the end of that, you know.

But it's always stuck with me in my head that there was something weird out there.

Then it was what was weird to me was. I was in Phoenix Arizona. I was leaving Phoenix Arizona.

“Going to Tucson, where I was stationed at, based there.”

I was with a unit called AB Tribal Seen. There was a command and control unit. And I got out to Phoenix and was going back to Tucson. And all this speculation going on and stuff on the radios and everything. And I was with my ex-wife at the time.

And we were trying to figure out what's all this commotion. And I'm, we got out of the car to look. And I'm seeing something that looks like it's locking up the stars up in the distance. Towards the east of the highway going between Phoenix and Tucson. But I can't make out what it is.

So I call, you know, I'm trying to figure out what's going on. All I know is based on the information everybody's saying it's a UFO. I'm like, oh my god, tomorrow is going to break loose. Everybody's going to be talking about this. And then when I heard the story that it was flares and eight-times,

I was like, no, that's not true. And I even called someone. I, I called someone that I knew put Luke Careforce based and he was like, yeah, I can't talk about it Logan. I got to go buy it, click.

And that was enough for me to know there was more going on. Now, here it is, but that was 97 or timeframe. But what I want to tell you is in 1990 when I cross train from B32C to Intel person. That was January 1999. And I did not know anything about the Belgian wave.

I just knew that I was going over to Europe. And the plane, uh, we had stopped off in Philadelphia, which is kind of where my moon was staying and everything. Um, so I took the time to go grab two cheese steaks, two hogees. And I was like, okay, I'm going to Germany.

My first Intel assignment.

This is going to be cool F-15s flying around. We got on the plane and just as we were coming down over, um, we had just passed by Iceland and we're coming down over Scotland going towards Frankfurt, right in my air base. I'm eating my cheese steak and some guy behind me is like,

I small cheese steak, someone saw me a cheese steak, so I sold it to him. And he was standing right beside me and I'm looking out the window. And all the sudden, I see this object dancing in the clouds. And I'm like, hey, what's that? What is that? And the guy beside me and the guy eating the other cheese steak.

He's like, he's like, uh, actually was a hogey. But he's looking and we're all looking trying to figure out what this thing is. And the sun is just coming up. And then all the sun, it goes into a cloud and we don't see it anymore. So I don't think about it.

I mean, I thought about it.

“And thought, I probably just exposed some super secret classified stuff”

that someone is going to get me in trouble for.

I sit there for a while and finally I go to my weapons office.

“Or I say, what's that thing flying around in the sky?”

And they look at me like I'm an idiot. Now again, still didn't know anything about the Belgian wave. So go to desert storm, come back, and British A wax lands at our base. And they're like, what are you doing with the Americans?

Because I still had my accent. So they're like, what's going to fly with us? So I asked my boss, can I go fly with them? He said, yeah, we're going, we're flying around Europe. And finally I go, what's that thing out there that does the Ziggy Ziggy thing?

And they, they're like, looking at me and they're like, you know? I was like, no, I don't know. They're like, come on, though. And you know, I was like, no, I don't know. Just tell me.

So finally they put in this tape and they showed this aircraft going across Europe.

And it's hauling ass. So I'm like, who's that? And they're like, you know, I was like, look, guys, let's not go through that again. Who's that? And they said, that's your SR-71.

And I was like, well, that's not him. He's going in a straight line. What about the Ziggy thing? And this is when they blew my mind. They pulled out another tape or something, put it in. And you can see just about every rotation of the radar.

There's this object moving all over Germany in parts of Belgium and stuff like that.

“I was so excited, guys. I said, who's that MF right there?”

And the guy goes, Logan. I was like, look, let's not go through that. Who's that guy? And they looked at me and they said, we don't know.

They said, every time we called out to him, he never answers.

Every time we vector aircraft to him, he moves. Like, like, the wind, he's gone. And he's in another position. And I was like, so who do you think it is? They said, we just assumed it was you Americans.

And you got some special program. You don't want to tell us about. And I'm like, nothing I know of, you know, but this is interesting. And so the funny thing that happened after that was I asked them a question. And I think you guys will find this interesting. I said, I said, I know about AWACs.

“I get it. But if you're seeing it, is the rest of your squadron seeing it?”

And he goes, oh yeah, we all know about this guy. And I was like, so why, why nobody's talking? Because we all lose our jobs when we start talking about this thing. Because we, you know, either it's the stigma or whatever, but it doesn't work. So I asked one more question I said.

This is going to sound weird, guys. I'm not saying you guys can give me an answer, but if you're British AWACs, and we have Nano AWACs, we have USAWACs. These rallies have AWACs. Japan has AWACs. Russia has AWACs.

I would think they meant you're all probably seeing the same guy flying around at some time. And he just looked at me and said, yeah, I would pretty much go with that. And that was it. That was it for me. I was like, okay, somebody's not. They're stuff going on. And then later on, I heard about the Belgian wave.

And I was like, could these guys be the same guys? Okay, but hold on. So you're, so for our listeners, just what is the acronym AWACs mean? Airborne warning and command and control system. So your point is that when you saw something that technologically we're unaware of with our nation, you then kind of inquired, and if it's not China, Russia, all the other countries that you listed,

and they're looking at it too, and they don't know who it is. Then it's somebody unknown to the major dominant technological advance nations of planet Earth. Yes, that's where I was going. And I just want them to make sure that I'm like, if you're AWACs and all your AWAC systems pretty much work the same, then one would assume that all of you guys with AWACs are all seeing guys like this zipping around the place and whatever.

And in from the vantage point of 2026, what you know now, looking back on that, because a lot of people tried to explain it away as some secret US platform up there. They all thought that was true. Do you think it was true or we really wanted something to identify it?

Not the way that suckers movie, because think about it F117. We kind of knew it was coming out, and then it came out, and then we saw it. B2, we kind of knew it was coming out.

“This thing has been going on for like, how many years?”

And we still haven't had a program come out from the US saying, this is ours. So I mean, we got to front our stuff to let people know.

We're the big guy in the block, and this is one of those things that has never come out.

Now, what I didn't realize was this, I didn't know what this thing was. And then James Fox asked me to be on his show and talk, and I wanted to talk about what we did in the task force that was, that was unclassified, just to let everybody know. The task force wasn't there to go out to the public, to tell everybody what was going on.

The task force was to answer the questions that the pilots were coming up with, because they kept seeing these things, and some of them were scaring the shit out of the pilots, excuse my English. But the stuff was scaring the crap out of the pilots. So when I worked on the program with James Fox, he says, hey, Logan, by the way, you haven't seen the whole movie, now that I fixed everything up, so I'm going to send you a copy so you can look.

And then we got to the Calvin picture, and then I was like holy crap. That's the thing I saw outside the window. And he called me back when I told him that, and he goes, when did you see this? So if I remember correctly, the Calvin video is a picture is August of 1990. And what I saw was January of 1990.

I mean, go ahead.

I just want to back you up a second, but finish this story because I got a backup for a second after you finish it.

No, that's pretty much it. We were just sitting there going, he goes, so he was like verifying, he's like, so you saw this thing and from this angle, and I was like, yeah, I said the weight was going in the clouds. I said it kept turning like kind of like a gray, so rich, dark color. And then it would turn back again, but I said, and but I said the weight went into the clouds.

Sometimes you, it didn't go in from the point that it came out. It's like it went in, but then it came out this way, then it went this way and just really weird. No, no aircraft flies like that. So, so I just because you said the words when I was working on the program with James Fox,

“which some people might misunderstand the program is a movie called the program, or I think.”

And you were part of that movie. I just thought it was funny. Don't make people think James is in on it. Okay. No, you're over James.

Jeremy, come on. Don't cover for James. That's right. No, that's a good point.

You know, we got to check his underwear.

We got to check his socks. Make sure he's not a suit. Okay, check it out. I want to back up because you said something very interesting. And I thought that was hilarious.

Did I get this right? So, you heard about Elizondo because he came public, but you had no footprint or fingerprint in this world. And you kind of were flexing on him. You were like, oh, yes. So, if you are this top dog, and you're like, here's where I'm working,

but you need security, clearances. Let's see if you and this guy, Jay Strang, can get in there. Were you kind of like trying to vet them? Yes. Yes.

“So, you'll meet people that will talk to you, right?”

You'll meet them in a conference or whatever. And they'll say, oh, I'm such and such. And I'm like, okay. And they'll say, well, you know, next time I'm in town, I'd like to talk to you and that out.

So, my thing is, sure. Send me your clearances, all that other stuff, and then, you know, and then you'll hear the door open, and you'll hear someone say, I'm looking for Logan. You know, all of a sudden I got a call, security gun.

Hey, there's a bunch of guys out here looking for you. And I was like, what are their names? And he said, Lil Zondo, Jay Stratton. And I think the only person that did show up that day was Jim some of them. So, so I just want to acknowledge that it's funny.

It's like, you know, trust, but verify even in the intelligence community. So, you can use the shield of actually being in the intelligence community and having that level of security. And you were like flexing on these guys to see if they were full of shit or not. So, let me ask you, did you trust Lou then, or he was earning your trust?

And do you trust Lou now? I trust Lou now. I trust him then. Because, at least for me, everything that he came with, he was straightforward with. And we actually worked together to try and check on some things.

And there was, I found no reason to find that he was untrustworthy. Okay, agreed in same experience myself.

You know, people bring up that, you know, disc thing of the crop.

And like, you know, my argument is, Lou's never lied to me.

He's never deceived me. He's always been straight. Told me something, or not told me if he can't. But he just gets such a bad rap.

“So, I think it's cool. You flexed on him.”

And none of these guys, Jay Stratton, all this people probably only George knew their names back then. You know, so it's kind of cool. Because I sure as I'll didn't know Eddie Jay Stratton, Jim, some of it. I didn't even know who Chris Melon was. But, but they brought you in and you skipped over that.

So, all of a sudden, you know, kind of predictively you're like, "Tellin' your loved one, oh, I'm gonna, I wanna find out what these things are." And then boom, the earth's shatters, 217, everything starts popping off.

Then you say, they brought me into the task force.

You explained a little bit, but you're talking about the UAP Task Force, which was stood up by Jay Stratton. And as you said, it wasn't a PR campaign. It was to tell the pilots what the fuck they were seeing, because it was dangerous.

So, you, and I have an issue with trying to go to Congress or whatever. It was the all about can we answer what these things are for the pilots. And you officially became part, because a lot of people claim it and they're lying.

“You officially became part of the UAP Task Force under Jay Stratton, correct?”

Yes. And I kept it quiet until that SU conference that we were at, because Jay was talking at the SU conference with Jordan. And all of a sudden, I'm talking to Dr. Eric Davis about, you know, the app and whatever. And all of a sudden, a bunch of people just surrounded this, and I was like, "What, what did I do?"

And they go, Jay Stratton just said that you work for him. I go, "What?" They said, "Why are you asking me?" I asked Logan, he worked for me, and I looked around. And he just had this shitty evening grin on his faces. He scooped out the door, and I was like, "Oh crap."

You know, Logan, that there was a period where the UAP Task Force existed, but didn't exist. So, right after New York Times story comes out, Jay gets called in. Hey, you've been working on this stuff under all sap and ATIP. You were looking at it at DIA.

We needed to put this thing together. He put together the UAP Task Force before it existed. For two years it operated, and then it was created formally, and supposedly got to work. I came in on the tail end, I guess, of ATIP, and then it became the UAP Task Force. But my thing was how often do you have a passion or something that you're really curious about?

And the government comes to you and say, "We want to want you to help us solve this problem." I was all in. I was all in, but yes, you're 100% right. He was doing this stuff before. So, I wasn't really too involved in this stuff before, but I came in on the tail end,

and then they were like, "What can you do for us?" And I had reached out. So, how long has it been looking at it? How long was Jay Stratton on the UFO beat, and in what capacity before the Task Force? Do you know?

I can tell you what I've read and what they've told me, because my side of this thing was, I wanted to know how far down the rabbit hole did they really go. You know, I checked his clearances, and he was cleared for weird, I checked loose clearances, and they were clear for weird, and I was like, "I said, "Guys, come on now." I said, "You've got higher clearances than me, and yet I'm in this thing to help you out."

And he was like, "You don't have the answers?" But, hold on, but you aren't all sourced analysts by trade. And I think people really need to understand what that means. George and I know a number of all sourced analysts, and it is a little bit different. Can you just, in a couple of paragraphs, tell our audience,

what is an all sourced analyst kind of like, "You're super power. What does it you do?" And how is it different?

“Well, you need to think about being an all sourced analyst.”

We get to look at what everybody else does. So, you will have your signals or signal, you will have your imagery guys, you will have your video guys. You will have your human guys. Okay, and that's all fine, because they are disciplines onto themselves.

But at some point, there's got to be someone out there that takes a look at everything,

and then goes to the commander and says, "Here's what this means, sir.

He's doing this, or this thing is doing that, and you put it all together." So, you don't just take one in. So, I think I told you before that when we're doing imagery and these guys come back from this video, and they say, "Oh, it doesn't do this." Well, the reason why we would look at it differently is because

or the sensor operators debrief, and they're telling us what it did before, during, and sometimes after the thing disappears.

And some of these things did some incredible things before they even got video tape,

“and that's what got them the attention to start video taping it in the first place.”

So, that's the best way I could say. We aggregate everything and bring it together, and then try to present that as a story to tell the commander. Where most things are compartmentalized, all source analysts, they get a fuller picture because of clearance and position.

Yes. Yes. 100%. So, we're, like, Louis will tell you, he's a counterintelligence guy, okay? So, I'm like, "We're like Ying and Yang." So, now we have to bring it together and figure out, "What does this really mean?" Could this, you know, every time we discussed the first thing was,

could this be a foreign power, and what do the foreign powers have that could come to this capability? And, you know, we're going down the checklist. Can't be that one. Well, can't be that one. Well, you know, I've heard about this.

Well, let's do some research on that, and then you come back and you go, "It's not that one." So, at the end of the day, we were coming down to the list, and when we're getting down on the short list,

and you're like, "I got nobody." So, could this be it? It's kind of, yeah, other, and it's, and saying other

is like touching the third rail on a railroad track.

You know, you got to be very careful how you use that word. So, the test force is created, you know,

“officially, I think, in 2020, but from early 2018,”

until Congress officially designated it exist, the team was working, gathering information, case files, videos, images. Some of those images eventually were made public by Jeremy and I, and we would let Jay know, sorry,

we're going to go forward with this, and he was, yeah, damn it. He was kind of mad about it, but, you know, you want to give him a heads up. And then it hits the social media, and you will see people, oh, yeah, well, that's, that's balloons,

that's birds, that's XYZ. And the assumption of the debunkers has to rest on this concept, that all of you guys are idiots, that people doing the image analyst analysis,

the pilots, the sensor operators, you don't see what is obviously birds and balloons, and gosh, all right, it takes some guy on Twitter to explain the facts of life to you.

It must be frustrating. Very, very, it got so frustrating, because you don't know when you ask for help. If that guy knows his stuff

or if that guy's junior, whatever, I remember at one point I was so upset because this thing was clearly weird looking and acting weird on whatever, and they gave me a very prosa cancer.

“And I remember calling Jay Up and I said permission”

to treat this organization as a hostile. And he was like, what happened? And I told him he goes, okay,

and I just never talked to them again.

I went to other people, because it was like, you're an all-source analyst, but you have to be trained a little bit in video analysis, imagery analysis,

so that when that report comes in, you understand what's going on. And you don't always, you know, you always leave us so that you can call them back and say hey guy,

you mentioned this, but you didn't really explain this. Kind of like how Jeremy and you are asking me some of the details now. You know, you go, hey, can you give us some clarity?

And when they come back with something that's just so off the wall, you're like, okay, are you sure you want to go with that statement? And then he's, okay, that's it, and then you hang up and then you're like,

okay, we're not talking to those people anymore. All right, and you move on. No. So, yeah, some of the explanations got to be very frustrating for you.

You know that's not it, but they get away with it. And in effect, every case, every incident,

every video, every photo, has been declared debunked by someone out there. Oh, that's been debunked. Yeah, but everything we've put out specifically,

there's a lot of nonsense about it. And we did not pull these and take the risk of putting them to the public. You know, make sure we're not in danger now, security,

checks and balances, protocols, federal lawyers, legal scholars, constitutional scholars that I consulted with. We didn't do that, Willie Nilly.

Yet, everything George and I put out, even though our own government label that

which I don't think we should talk about, but you understand Logan that there's, you know, broader things,

“people get access to and smaller things.”

Yet, they're all explained away on Twitter, not yet, but they try to. They try to,

but I'll tell you something. The first time you came out with a video that I saw,

because J.D. didn't always give us,

heads up that this video was coming out after you guys told them. So the first time you guys came out with a video, I was like, looking, I was like,

son of a bitch, where did you get that problem? You know? And then I remember I asked you, I said,

I said, Jeremy, you got some really good sources. You want to, no,

no, it's almost like he was saying, ancient Chinese secret, you know? And I was good with that.

And then this particular one, that you guys pulled out for Syria, right? I got so many calls on that, because I was the one that requested the video analysis for that particular one,

all right? And everybody was calling me. It was like, dude, did you see that?

I was like, what? Oh shit. And now I'm feeling, I'm feeling in a weird way,

because one, I'm sitting there going,

good on George and Jeremy.

And then too, I'm like, do we have a leak somewhere? And then my wife looks at me and she goes,

what's wrong? And she, I said, I said,

“I don't know how they're getting this stuff.”

And she goes, she goes, so you're analyzing it, and you don't have an answer. And I was like,

yeah, she goes, she goes, let's not be particularly vexing for you, huh?

Because you didn't have an answer, and I was like, okay, we'll leave it at that. Well,

but crudos on you guys. I don't know how you did it, but I got to, well,

but at some point they have to figure, somebody's going to, you have to realize, hey, somebody's going to think,

I like this to those guys, because I was in charge of the analysis, right? Yeah, yeah,

I haven't touched that stuff in years, but, but I mean, that leaves us to the other thing that I would just want to bring up to you.

I mean, just last week, uh, someone on X name, an X name,

Astral, accused me of being the one that, started the rumor about, Trump's alien rumor, something going on,

and again, my phone's blowing up, and I'm like, what, what now?

And they're like, is this you? Is this true? And I was like, hold on,

let me check, and I look at it, and I was like, how would I know? It's,

it has nothing to do with me, and the guy didn't even spell by name, right? But, but I said,

I would love to know how my name came into it, because I don't know this guy from, or, well, he's using a,

a call sign, Astral.

“I think I don't know this guy from Adam,”

and there would be nothing, nothing to tell him. But, yeah, that's what it is.

So that, back up one second, important. I want to address a couple things you said. Yeah.

So, first of all, George taught me from the very beginning, and we've had depth, you know,

in depth talks about this, you asking me, ever, like, how George and I obtained,

and then decided to release stuff,

I would never share with you,

because that would compromise you, because you would have to report, you know, what's going on? You said,

after I asked you, I said, there I go, that was a stupid question. It's okay.

People asked me every day, but the thing is me and George, like George says, protect sources, even if they don't,

especially if they don't protect themselves, it's okay. I always imagine talking with someone like you, you're in the ICU, you've got a duty to do,

and I want to support that. I'm just not going to contribute to it. So, the thing is, you can ask away.

I mean, we've had agencies talk to us, but the thing is, is that in America, right now,

the first amendment is still protected. And so, we, as journalists, not only obtain without soliciting,

we obtain, and then we actually do, a thing that most people don't do. Sometimes we sit on it for years, to make sure one,

we're not being in trapped, because it is legal for the federal government to in trapped journalists. Two, we want to make sure that we don't get in a situation

where our mouths can be used. We like being free journalists, right? And that is another way to control the messaging. And then, three,

I love it, when people speculate, and they have no idea how George and me, and how we do obtain it, our process and we have a federal lawyer for that.

That many everyone wants to ask, or give you his number, right? But, what I'm seeing from you is that, of course,

it is an issue. When things anything gets leaked out of it. It's a national security thing,

I said, don't think,

what was the level that I did to that?

And then, someone got in at that level, and was able to obtain this? Right, so,

so Logan, so they're, well, they're at, I just want the public to know,

there are three sides to a coin, always. People don't usually know that. So I've got Logan, my friend,

and Logan, who's got a duty to our country. And I respect both. But the truth of our relationship is the edge. That's the third side,

which is, we're standing on a razor blade here. Like,

“did you have to disclose your friendship”

to me and George in order to come on our podcast, or, or talk to us? Did you have formal contact questioning you about our releases, as well as informal?

Yeah, I had, I had both. I had both. I just,

you know, I don't know if it was just someone being curious, on the official side, or on the, well,

on the unofficial side, I know that for sure. People being curious. But people were like, hey,

did you see this video? Do you know how they got it? No. Okay. And so,

on the official side, did they tell you what agency they were representing? Do you suspect? Do you suspect? Do you know?

I just made assumptions, but I, no. Okay. Well, here's the deal.

You can give them my or George's phone number, and they're welcome to call us, so I can give them our federal lawyer's statement. I'm throwing you guys under the bus right away. There's chair,

there's information. There's a bit Logan. The thing is, we're not, you know,

we're not hiding anything. We're just not saying. So that, the deal is this man, I,

I love it when people speculate, and they try to paint false targets on people, like Grasher, Yutu, or Lua,

or anybody in the media. Anybody actually, of my associates and George's associates, people have been contacted,

but they've never contacted me or George.

So if you want to know, I'll give you my lawyer's number. Logan, let's go back to this Syrian image. So yeah,

it comes out. Somebody calls it to your attention. You see it, you wonder, oh hell,

how those guys get that. Can we,

“how far can you go in discussing the legitimacy of that image now that we put it out there?”

Can you talk about it at all? And you can you talk about sort of the process of how you analyze it, and what you concluded, or is that all? So that's,

that's very interesting, George. So what, when that stuff comes in, the first thing I'm doing is, is I'm asking,

where's the rest of the information? If we, if we thought live, then we're talking to the operators or whoever, but if it just comes in as a video,

then we're like, I'm like, where's the rest of the information? And because that one was so unique, I specifically remember saying,

I need more detail. Let's get a video analyst to take a look at this, and you know, speed it up, slow it down,

put it in the different contrast, all that stuff, show me what, you know, what am I missing?

And I remember everything that we did, and based on the report. I came to the conclusion, and the other guys came to the conclusion, that this met all the parameters of a UAP.

And I don't remember what, if it met the parameters of a UAP, it goes into a bucket, because we want to compare it to all the other stuff that meets the fall into those parameters,

not just the location, not just, I mean, we're looking at a location, the time,

the weather, whether any other things around it,

“could there be some reason why this thing popped up?”

What kind of bird could this be? How fast was it moving? What birds fitting that characteristics? We're looking at everything. And by the time we were done,

we were like, dude, okay, that's a good one. It goes in our bucket,

and, you know, 'cause there's stuff that still goes into that. Maybe bucket. But yeah, but this one was in the,

this one was in the Mushroom Shaped UAP, demonstrating, clearly instantaneous acceleration, but we're going to use the award apparent anyway.

But here's the deal, Logan, you didn't know that there's probably like, like, if they were like title cards or something like that,

like we, George and I reported exactly how we obtained what we reported. So I think that's, I think that's important,

and let's drill in on that for one second,

which is, actually, I'm just curious if you agree. I'm not an all-source analyst. You had previous knowledge of this video.

This is the video that people did not want me in George to put out. And they didn't, because the sentiment is, and let's see if it stands the test of time,

That what we are seeing is something

that we don't have the capability to do. You're having a clear demonstration of an object, performing instantaneous acceleration, where G forces would normally turn a human body into gelo and juice,

and even structurally, you would have with most material science, you would have an explosion from that type of instantaneous because of what we call,

inertia, which I had to look up.

“The word to really remember what it means.”

I've looked it up 50 times over the last year. So our inertial effect. So I just got a question as an all-source analyst who not only put this in the UAP category, but additionally ordered a visual analysis

of it within the intelligence community that is now public. What in the world do you speculate we are seeing? I don't have a proper name for it, so it's just on the UAP,

we're always looking to find something that fits in that,

in that mode of operations, the way that it moves and all those other things. And until we find it, and something can say, this is a pro-ze because this thing does the exact same thing.

All I can say is that this was no doubt a UAP in my book. But I always-- Is it demonstrating, demonstrating instantaneous acceleration?

Yes. In my book, what I saw was instantaneous acceleration. Okay, and then last question on that, if you can't tell me what it is because we don't know what UAP actually are

to some degree. Can you just plainly tell our audience what they're not seeing? What it isn't? Can you give me a list?

Well, I mean, there's so many different aircraft out there that performed weird. All right? Because if you want something that can stop on a dime, then you've got a balloon, or a derigible.

If you want something that can move fast,

“well, derigible and ain't it, and a balloon ain't it?”

So now you've got a drone. Now, there is a drone out there that has been shown to move erratically so that it can move in one direction real quickly and stop and move again on everything,

but not of the speeds that we're seeing. We're seeing, you know, this thing looks like they designed it specifically to look like a UAPO. Think it's called a defoe or something like that. Some Polish guy created it.

But nothing to the scale of what we are seeing. And so that automatically, as you pull away all the little points, it puts it into one of those categories that Lou mentions about instantaneous acceleration

and it's the first observable.

The very first observable is instantaneous acceleration. I don't know the Lou came up with that. It's been around for a while in the UFO land. But so your assessment as an all source analyst to a previous knowledge of it, order the visual,

you know, analysis of it, is that to this day, even through your whole process, your shock that's out, but we're seeing a UAP that I'm going to say looks like a mushroom, a dome with the little thing on the bottom,

and that it is demonstrating clearly to the American public and global public instantaneous acceleration. Yes or no? Yes, to the best of my knowledge, yes.

Okay, so you currently are in the intelligence community and currently hold the clearance, right? I am not in the intelligence community anymore. I have a clearance, but I don't do that stuff anymore. I am removed from that stuff.

So with that said, have you ever in your history of analysis seen a better piece of footage of instantaneous acceleration by a UAP? Yes? Can you tell us about it?

No. So is there more clear footage that our government has not shown to the public of UFOs demonstrating the five observables? Well, normally I would say ask your source, but yes.

There's definitely more stuff out there,

“and I think more stuff is being collected every day.”

Now, I haven't kept up with what's been collected in the past few years, because I'm not in that anymore. The American public is not seeing the best evidence, like from Arrow and all that. They have great stuff, and they're not showing it to us,

because if you've seen great evidence, and they're just absolutely maybe from a satellite platform,

the five observables, and you're telling us you've seen it, by the way, Josh, and I have this. All I can say is this, Jeremy.

“There's videos out there that show parts of the five observables,”

whatever.

I have never seen a video that shows all of them all at once.

Right. I've seen stuff out there that clearly. Clearly. When I stepped away from everything and I said, I wanted to do the app and all that stuff.

The one thing I said I wanted to be able to do is someone like MiQuest, no deGross Tyson, I would like to put something in there in front of them, but just says, where they go, I got nothing. Because they're always ready to come up with some, you know,

yeah, but they're, but also they're intentional layers. And so that's, that's the thing I just got to call that out. I've tested that. They're intentionally deceive and also have admitted that they do work for people, but once they who, but you know, headline,

let's back up the whole. He's skeptic, so I'm, I'm always open minded.

No, and you, and you taught me to insulate not isolate,

but at some point you got to kick the dog out the barn. Anyway, George, what Logan just said,

“is that like us, he's seen definitive, incredible footage of UAP”

that have not been shown to the public, and there's no good reason for classification. And arrow is underhand throwing bullshit out to the American public. You and I can confirm that, but now Logan is telling us that he's seen better. What do you make of that, George, that arrow,

and everything you're seeing in the news, the President Obama and Trump, what do you make of that, that they've had this great footage, and that unfortunately it has to get leaked to journalists that are then putting out. What do you say, George?

So, there's something I got to say here. Arrow is doing what they're going to do because of whatever guidance they've been given, but when it comes to the President of the United States,

you got to think for him to even get a briefing,

he's getting the cream of the crop, okay? Because he has to make decisions on this possibly in the future, whatever. They're not going to give him all the little crazy stuff that gets leaked. They're going to give him the very best stuff, and I would assume that he's seen way better stuff than me

when he got to his briefing or whatever, okay? So, when they say all the stuff in the news, like George, you said at the beginning of this conversation that you were going to ask me about the Obama thing and the Trump thing, all right?

In my head, and in the head of many people that I've talked about, we're like, if it's that easy to just say, I'm going to tell the Pentagon to send out a letter, and why didn't the other President do it? They tried.

Did they? Yes, George can tell you, he knew some of the people. So, my question to you then, is then, what makes this President so different that he can just go ahead and say,

this is what I'm going to do, because I've got lots of friends that get really excited about this. Yeah. George, we've, tell us. Well, a couple of things.

You know, I think our mutual friend, Dr. Jim LeCatsky, who created and managed to all sap, biggest UFO program acknowledged by the government, came out and said it. Arrow is doing its job,

and their job is counterintelligence to dismiss this stuff. We saw statements yesterday from Kirk Patrick, a former director of arrow, who still likes like he's in charge and speaks on behalf of arrow, undercutting the President's request for this.

I've seen everything, there's nothing to it. Obviously bullshit. Well, it's already meant to muddy the waters. We see my, well, quick question to that George is, why are we even paying attention to him anymore?

He's, he's no longer in there. I'm not really in there anymore, but I've got an app where I'm trying to, but with him, he's not even in this anymore. So why are we, well, he's counterintelligence.

He's doing his job and everybody's making excuses. So George continues. I want to hear. Yeah. Arrow is created by Congress.

“I think Congress creates that organization with an idea in mind”

that they're going to get to the bottom of this. I don't know how many of these cases, not realizing that their bosses, the Defense Department, the Department of War now, have a different idea about what that agency should do.

We're not getting anything out of them. They got a lot of input. We're not seeing anything. They will might maybe release an image once a year, something that they've debunked.

There's nothing that they've ever found to be suitable for public release. You know, a lot of the image that Jeremy and I put out comes our way and the immediate complaint is, oh, well, it's grainy. Look at this.

It's grainy. It's fuzzy.

These are sensor systems.

These are thermal images. They're doubly having this binding work. Yeah. They're not, they're not having these platforms out there in order to capture picture perfect images

for UFO Twitter. They're doing a job. And it's, it's to target them and shoot them down if they're a threat and you see much better in thermal than with a 4k IMAX camera in order to shoot them.

I like, don't get me wrong. I know people in Arrow and when he got created, I like them and everything. But I knew everything came to me and I had when I, when Jay Stratton was not picked to be in part of Arrow.

Lou was in part of Arrow. Coronel was in part of Arrow. I told me everything I needed to know. So I just kind of said, okay. And I, I even asked, I said,

“did any of our former Task Force members go over to Arrow?”

And at the time, the answer was no. So that told me everything I needed to know. Yeah. Don't have to be up. Also say that there's nothing to go out.

That one. All right. Well, we are not all source analysts. So, you know, I respect your opinion. But it wasn't us saying it was Dr. James the Katsky saying

that they're acting exactly like a counterintel against the American people. But it's their job. It's what they're told to do. But now that we know that,

that Arrow is doing that, there's better footage. They haven't put it out. And they put out ridiculous debunks with arrows in it. Let's bypass that because the world's on fire.

Now we're in a different place. Obama's comments. And now Trump's comments. But I don't want to talk with you about that. I want to talk to you about that video.

I want to people to learn who you are. And also advertise our friendship. So if you get weird calls, you send them to me in George. But now last thing.

I just want to hear because they want to I met you. You told me about an app you're building. And I think it's important.

“And so can you please give us education about your app?”

Yeah. After when I was in the task force, after the task force started to die down, I went to J. Stratton and said, you know what?

I don't think we're gonna get again anywhere with the government. We're gonna have to do this ourselves. We need the people. I said, the government's got way more resources than everybody.

But the one thing they don't have more resources. The people. So if we can get an app and get everybody behind it, we can do this. So I built an app that was based on education,

experience and exposure. Something that could educate the people and where we are. And what we're trying to do. Give them an experience of their own, so that if they see something they can document it.

And then the exposure was to get further exposure to the community. So that we can figure out what these things are. And so I built it. It's still out there.

I'm working on a second version because the first version that I had.

Like I said, the God docs, all of a sudden I had people putting in all kinds of crazy stuff. And I, because I built it with my own money, I didn't have the resources to jump on things as quickly as I wanted to.

So now I have some backing. I have some good friends that are helping me put this stuff together. And the new version is going to be coming out shortly and it's going to be way better. And it's going to have all the things in there to protect us from all the BS that is out there. To remove the noise level.

So do you invite the public to send you images? Is that our works? Yes. So I'm going to, the way it works is we'll invite the public to send us images so that we can have our analysts go through it. And we invite the public to use the app to take their own images.

And the idea is we'll get all the best guys because at the end of the day,

“I've talked, I remember talking to Jacques Valle, Eric Davis, I said,”

"When we get some really good outliers, I want to take it to my council of greybeards, which includes you guys." But others, and get you guys to look at it and say, "Okay, Logan, you missed this,

or hey, Logan, this is some incredible shit.

Let's get this to the right people and do what we need to do." But that's kind of where the app is going. And then it looks like we're right on track. I would say, "Come early April, you'll see the new version of the cart version is still there." And it's got cool bells and whistles, but this new version is going to have a lot more.

What's the name of it? How do people download it to their phone? I want to support you. So it is the app is called Phenom. And it's got a logo just like this.

And you can download it at HTTPS slash slash try dot the Phenom.app.

So everybody can get it because Logan, I think you're an honest broker of information.

“I think you're origin story and what you said about wanting why to make the app”

is the people have to do it.

And I think I believe you, and so I want people to download it.

“You know, we need a people's champ right now, no matter what form it comes in.”

And I think we're close, man.

So we're going to leave it there. Everybody check out Logan's app, right?

“And thanks so much for coming on and maintaining a friendship with me and George despite any pressures you might get”

official or unofficial, thanks for coming on and thanks for being clear with us. I appreciate you, man. Anytime, anytime.