Journalist Chris Sharp Exposes AARO Before Trump's Big Decision

He said that some of the things that we're seeing came from a highly qualified observer's,

and they saw some truly, truly astonishing performance capabilities, things that no known human system could behave like. They're not going to give it up easily, you know, unless a president stays on top of it and forces the issue. He's not going to get to the bottom of it. A lot of people are thinking on Tuesday or Wednesday that there's going to be during the state of the union.

There's either going to be the words, you have to pose in it, or there's not. And I would suspect that there's two speeches that have been written and that they're debating

right now at a very high level with the comms people. I would just suspect this is weaponized.

So Jeremy, you remember not that long ago, we would talk with Chris Sharp, an talented young journalist who's trying to get his head around the UFO issue and all the different tentacles it has, and we would help him out a little bit, and now the tables have turned, and we have to grove all to him that maybe he'll share some tidbits or scraps or breadcrumbs or

“something like that. Remember that? Man, I love that kid. He turned from like, have you seen the”

Magwide become a gremlin because they ate after midnight. They look like so cute and cutty and you underestimate him. And then there's this vicious, ferocious everybody got to watch gremlins. Yeah man, Chris Sharp is sharp. He is a dagger. He is the dagger that's going to deflate

the disinfo balloon. What he's done is amazing. Yeah, he breaks some really great stories in

liberation times and some other publications. Chris, welcome back to weaponized. Can you tell us how you landed an interview with Tim Phillips, the former number two guy at Arrow? Firstly, thank you so much for the praise. I remember growing up watching you on television, George, and I remember this week when I couched my family because we were homeless and watching Jeremy and Lazaro and Jerry Rogan. So I've certainly come a long way. So yes, I message Tim Phillips,

the former Deputy Director and former Acting Director of Arrow on LinkedIn. Just asked him if I could potentially interview him. And he said yes. So yeah, it was actually quite easy.

“Any conditions placed on the interview about where you can go, what you can ask?”

No, he actually didn't know who I was. I remember when he was got the job. Jeremy, you and I were told by somebody, hey, that's a pretty good guy. And we're thinking, oh, great. This is great. We're going to have a good honest broker of information on the inside and arrow. And then, you know, the next time we really start hearing things from him, he sounds like the spawn of Kirkpatrick, like he was his illegitimate kid or something,

because everything came out of him might as well have been from Kirkpatrick. Christ, do you did you get a sense that maybe he's freer to speak now that he's out from under the umbrella of arrow and is more willing to engage, or is he the same guy that was so difficult to deal with while he had the job? Yes, firstly, I did like him. He was giving up his free time. I think anyone who gives up their free time, you know, for an interview, sit down with someone,

when they're not going to earn any money or anything from it. And, you know, he told me it was his anniversary as well. So he was speaking to his anniversary. So, you know, firstly, you know, props to him for speaking to me. And he wasn't nasty. I pressed them a few times and he didn't get too defensive or or hostile with me. And yeah, I thank him for that. However, I did notice things when speaking to him. It sounds like he's described, let's put it like this. It sounds like he's

describing a dog. He's saying it's very, it was. It's got a wiggly tail, but he's not going to name it a dog. And this is what I believe he is doing when it comes to UFOs. And it kind of takes me back to a barmer saying, oh, aliens are real and him getting in trouble over that. I don't know, maybe there's a precondition. You can describe UAP. You can say that they've got out of this road characteristics that you could not say that they're alien or you'll think they're alien.

“I mean, that's the only way to explain it. So, yeah, we had a pretty interesting interview.”

Dr. Koselowski, also described to us as a good guy, had made a comment that appeared on

higher-ups at the Department of War at the Pentagon. Did you get into that with him? No, but I will say this. This is what he noticed. So, from my understanding, the officer of this Secretary of Defense, the Security and Intelligence, that is the place where they protect special access programs. And the fact that you actually tasks that place to set up a office where they're going to start investigating special access programs for an UAP-related activity, it seems a bit

of a joke, really. So, I think for the opposite, that sets the bar. So, I believe that he's allowed to talk about anything in terms of what he sees as long as it's not part of the special access

“program and that he doesn't compromise classified stuff. That's what I believe in terms of where”

he's coming from. We know that Lou was working and protecting the special access programs from understanding, wasn't he as well? Yeah, so, yeah, I think that's something that I take into account when speaking to him. I guess what I was most interested in when Jeremy and I heard you got this interview and you're going to be talking to him was just the day-to-day operation, how things work, how information comes in and how it's processed. And then you see, say, a video or something,

does a team of analysts work on a video and then they pass it up? If the team of analysts thinks, hey, this is genuine UAP or UFO and it goes up the chain and somebody says, no, it isn't. I would think that causes some strife. Can you give us a sense what you learned about the day-to-day operations, how information is processed by arrow? Yeah, just from what I could recall, it was given

examples for example. So if they said, oh, it looked like a blue, if a pilot basically said, oh,

it looked like a blue, or someone else said, it looked like a blue. Okay, well, we're not going to waste our time in this case. We want to get to all the meaty stuff. We want to focus on the stuff that

“really showed extraordinary capabilities. That's what they really, really wanted to focus on.”

And then there was decomfliction as well. So that they would get in touch with, you know, could be contractors, could be certain aspects of in the DOW, or the Evhergence Community, say, look, was this yours? And, you know, they're responding, oh, no, this wasn't one of us. So that was something that was very, very important, blue force, decomfliction, and also adversary platform as well. So to be a proper UAP within the four to a 50 cases that they had actually

identified as truly extraordinary and bizarre in his words, utterly bizarre, it had to pass those

tests first. And then his he described, it's me, they got the best and brightest people in the world

to study in allies, some of the footage, and they couldn't explain it. Yeah, but that is the stupidest way to go about it. I've ever heard, you can have the best and brightest within ERO, but if you like filter the cases based on the stigma of people saying, I don't know, I'm scared, I'm a pilot,

“so I probably saw a balloon and not a UFL, aren't you an idiot for categorizing initially?”

The cases that way are my missing something. So what you were saying is that they had limited resource in ERO, especially when they were first getting, uh, starting up in terms of just personnel that they had, but Patrick said that access to everything. Oh, yeah, they had, they had a lot of access, but the way that he was describing it in terms of the personnel available to study all the

cases that they were getting through in terms, it was like the fowards and it's basically it was

numbering the fowards. So they didn't want to waste time where it seemed to be prosaic, so they would take the person's word for it. If it seemed like a balloon, I, okay, they're not going to spend too much time in this case. They just wanted to focus on the things that looked truly extraordinary. Okay. Am I wrong, though, Chris? Like, so isn't it, though, that maybe ERO? Because Dr. Cassie said, they sure are barking like a dog, meaning acting like they're just a, not just a counter

intelligence, but a campaign to mislead the American public. Did you get that feeling from, from Tim Phillips that he admitted that or that he knew he was part of that or is that I'm I get them getting that wrong? Sure. So first, in terms, what Patrick said in terms of we had access for everything, I mean, I may have to correct myself because I'm very, very cautious about

had, he said, were from the air domain. He suggested as well. He said, we saw things in space, right? Don't think anyone associated with the ERO has ever said that they've seen things in space

“before, so he went that far. So that's very, very important. Okay. But he did say that they had trouble”

in the maritime domain, getting access to sensors and whatnot. I asked him, did you try to talk to the national underwater reconnaissance office? And he said, yeah, that's one of the places that we went to, but they had a, so I would say they didn't have access to everything because actually

you know, they did struggle getting access to the maritime domain and that was always a struggle

of theirs. So that is worth mentioning when Patrick could said that. When Tim Phillips, so it sounds like he's being a little more open with you than he has been with other drills. I don't mean to attack the man. I just don't understand the lies coming from arrow in the past. There's great footage of UAP. They shouldn't have to come from, from journalists like me in George. So my question is,

“when he said space, did he, um, deliver to you? Did he mean orbit? Deep space or near earth?”

He didn't, I pressed him on it and just he got uncomfortable. It felt like he got uncomfortable talking about it. But you know, he, he said that a small number of cases involved reported

the new, but reported the newvers from highly trade observers of aircraft that that basically

could perform the newvers that aircraft and spacecraft we know of do not behave in. He said that. He also said that, um, some of the truly extraordinary abilities that he saw were ability to stop very quickly, et cetera, quickly, uh, right angle turns. And again, you know, things that aircraft and spacecraft we know, they behave that way. Um, so, so that's what he was saying to me. Um, so, you know, horses, we said that some, some of the things that we're seeing came from a

highly up qualified observers and they saw some truly, truly astonishing performance capabilities. Things that know, known human system, could behave like, water. So he is being more open. Yeah, I mean, when you're saying that because he also said, you know, we found no evidence that these were extraterrestrial non-human intelligence. But again, this is why he say that he is describing a dog without calling it a dog. This is what he didn't deal with.

Portland explained to the world when he raised his hand under oath about that problem with them

“saying that exact sentence. Do you remember that Chris? No, what was that again? I'm sorry.”

What was that again? When he didn't insert Dylan Borland right now. Dylan Borland races Santa Congress and explained to the entire world why they get away with saying we found no evidence of extraterrestrial life because they don't know where they're from specifically. So they can use that as a shell game like Susan Goe who's written you extensively, Chris, that they're parsing of words is so important and you've experienced that. So I should not explain that to you. You explained

that to the weaponized audience. Yes, yes. So this is a ways to be a problem in terms of the way

that they've got about describing things extraterrestrial. So the first problem with that is how

do you prove inclusively that you see something in the air and you know that it's from some extra, you know, some of a planet. Tim did say that there were very interesting tracks when he saw something they wouldn't know where it came from and where it was going. But if it's extraterrestrial how are you going to track it back to a planet? So that's one of the limitations that you have when it comes to that. And secondly, you know, as Dylan said, if you're going to say it's extraterrestrial,

then you'd have to know what it's made out of the components. In this year, there were over 10,000 electrostatices for Amazon livorungen in ganz Europa eingesetzt, for livorungen wie fussbelle for young kicker. I wasn't 10,000 electrostatices and this will ever be more, based on the plan and phase of our livor partner in the EU and Großbritannian, until 2626. The biologics on board, and then be able to take a sample from the planet it was from to positively verify it was from that

from what we're getting in terms of what my source is, is that these things are coming from our planet, you know, they may be extraterrestrial in nature, but they're faced. So it's better to call them non-human because they're not coming from another planet, they're coming from nations, they're coming from deep underground. So that's something worth taking into account as well, definitely. There's a pest control of product here in the States, Chris, they used to have an ad for it,

called the roach motel. And the roach motel roaches check in, but they never check out.

Seems like that motto could work for arrow because information flows in hardly any of it ever comes out. What did, what how does Tim Phillips see his mission and the mission of arrow?

“Yeah, analyze this stuff, and then you keep it secret and never talk about it. The only thing that”

ever comes out publicly from arrow is where they debunk something. You know, you have all this stuff. You know, Jim LeCatsky, you know, there's suspect there a counterintelligence operation. Did he get into what the role of arrow is? Was he proud of the work they did? And does he feel that one of their duties is to share it with the public? Yeah, yeah, so that's, that's interesting because

what I can say is that it didn't feel natural talking to him. It felt like at times he was reading from a script, uh, informative, you know, at arrow, we did not see any verifiable evidence that something was non-human or... Do you actually see his eyes looking like he was reading a script?

“Yeah, it just didn't feel natural. It just felt like he was doing the form and, you know, I feel like”

they're really stuck. Like, I want to give a big shout out to all the really brilliant,

good-hearted people in arrow who are doing amazing work. And their job is to do that work

and they're good people. Even Coslovsky ever just really good for it from you, George, and other people. But they are... This is not Project Blue, Blue, whatever anymore. Blue being. This is Project Blue Box. They are not Blue Book. It's Blue Box. They're stuck in a box. They could be the greatest people. So shout out to the arrow employees. We're not against you. But you're stuck in a box. And that's become apparent. Back to the question, Chris, you were sharing with us that some of

what he was saying to you sounded scripted. But what about the idea of what their job is in terms of transparency? Does they... Do they give even lip service to that? As one of the reasons that arrow was created or not? Yeah, well, in terms of what he was saying to me, he was saying one of the tasks of arrow, which was misunderstood just from recollection. My memory was that it was de-completion. It's making sure that there's no Chinese or Russian tech as well. And that was

a big misunderstanding in terms of their mission. But no, there wasn't... He didn't really say anything about just kind of like that. I mean, I was just focusing on some of the cases that he was talking about. But he went pretty wild in terms of what he was saying. He was saying that there's a clingon ship. It looks like a clingon ship from Star Trek. That was seen I'm pretty sure he said this is another interview as well. There are some witnesses who come to the arrow about to say

this is extraterrestrial tech or nonhuman tech. But he was able to confirm that it's actually

American tech. And he was just saying that we got some amazing stuff, which is fine. I accept that

“America may have some amazing tech. But as well, that I think that made it even more astonishing.”

In fact, he's able to say America's got all this amazing tech even stuff that looks like clingon ships. But also, we've seen cases as well, 40 or 50, so where we come, understand what it is. We've got the best and brightest people, and it seems to be beyond kind of like human capability in terms of the platforms that we're existing, that we know of. You know, and he would say that and who'd also say staff as well, that was really interesting, that could have took me back to the UAPTF report,

the UAPT task force report, which was signature managed. Yeah, yeah, so he was basically saying that it seemed that he said that they saw the arrow that some of the UAPs had attempted not to be surveyed. Um, I was didn't seem to be to care. And these, these things were being picked up in sensible occasions, but signature management, they don't want to be seen. Which is one of the first, which is one of the five observables is low observability oddly. So out of the 50 cases that, you know,

did he give you any specific details of what the signature management looked like, or what the

“50 cases that were truly bizarre looked like? Did he tell you any specifics of the real UAP cases?”

No, it was very, very difficult, actually, in terms of entering. He's a lovely guy, but it was kind of like one of those interviews where you want to, at least it responses, build up rapport, build up trust, and you'd ask him a question, and he would just, you know, talk for about 10 minutes going into details, sometimes, um, digressing into other things. It was very, very difficult, and, you know, I did try to at times, um, pick him up on some stuff, um, but he didn't feel the being

and super cool. What's that? You didn't spill the beans? No, but one of the things that I found very really interesting is that, um, we just, so I, I said to him, I said, look, um, in the area historical, what report you said that there'd been no, um, UAP programs, um, between Project Blue Book and, um, all, I think it was all set, and, um, I said, did you not see the age of disclosure where James Kaepu was saying that there had been a UAP program run by the U.S. Air Force, whether they're

tracking UAP above Area 51. I was, oh no, I've not seen that. It's like, how have you not seen that? And he even said that he worked to James Kaepu, um, he met with him, I think once, once a week, and he, he was saying, James Kaepu is someone that he has the utmost respect for, yeah, um, I think he's a great professional. I said, okay, well, what James Kaepu has said this, um, that there's a UAP program run by the U.S. Air Force. So, you being someone who has the utmost respect

for him, and it Mars him and worked unto him at the Office of the Rights of National Intelligence, when he was there. What are you going to ask James, and maybe that will change your mind? And he said, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give James a call and said, yeah, please do, and please, um, get back to me to tell me what he told you and, um, what your response is now. I think that's interesting, and I'd like to pull up with him on that too. Yeah, and, and we should

back up, we're grilling you about somebody from arrow. You, you have a good report. We're not, you know, trying to hurt this individual's credibility. We're just, you know, I am a little bit more aggressive about it. I'm a little bit pissed, right? Um, George and I have been attacked. So, what, when we're talking with you, I get it, man. He seems like a nice dude,

“and you should follow up with him, because I think it's beautiful what you got from him.”

So, I'm not trying to attack anybody. You're doing great journalism, and I hope he keeps talking with you. He seems probably, he's, he's got, that kid's in a wife, and he's got a real life. So, so keep talking with him. Yeah, I mean, even when he was like, you know, at one point, he was like, what, what's your interest in this topic, by the way? Um, and I was that, well, I'm a Jonas, I write for Liberation Times in the case here, right, for the Daily Mail as well.

And I was basically saying that I come at this from like, um, I, I, I basically, I said that,

I think there's a lot of media out there that say that they're fair and balanced, but it's very difficult to be fair and balanced to the media that, you know, I'm just very, very honest, say that, that I'm reporting it from the whistle, that was the witness is perspective. I said that I'm friends who, um, people like Lou Fritztons, and anyone on the tangent basically say how Lou is a grifter and stuff like that.

And again, this felt really scripted to me. I didn't even feel like, because, you know, I love Lou and my friends and stuff, you know, I'd usually want to protect them, but when he said that, it was just like felt like a script that I didn't take it personally and like, yeah,

“it felt like that's what I'm supposed to say today. Yeah, I mean, that statement,”

yeah, remember when the US government used to say, uh, our interest in UFOs stopped with Project Blue Book, nothing after that. And then the ATEP News comes out, oh yeah, well, there's that ATEP thing. Oh, and then the awesome news comes out. Oh, yeah, there's, yeah, there was that one too. I mean, you know, you can't take them literally at their word. I'm curious, did he like the job? Do you get a sense that he liked working in arrow?

Did he like his boss? Does he like being gone from being underneath that boss?

Yeah, he, he had posted first to say he thought it was re-intrasting. Um, he also said that,

um, the Schroenkel Patrick is a brilliant scientist. And, uh, yeah, so he said that. And, um, I questioning him on the, um, the technical group they had at the arrow as well. Um, because it being reported that Glenn Gaffney was part of that. And, um, he admitted to me that he had approached Glenn and Glenn denied it. As I, oh, that's huge. That's huge. The guy's whose name, the George mentioned under oath in Congress, former director of science and technology

for the CIA that stopped the transfer of the non-human intelligence spacecraft from our government, right,

Yeah, yeah, he said that they spoke to Glenn. Um, Glenn said he didn't know anything about it.

“And I mentioned, yeah, I mentioned, yeah, Glenn, Glenn could be a good guy, but I think I also”

mentioned as well, but saying, well, technically Glenn may have not blocked it. It may be the guy could Robert Cardillo in ODI, where you were working as well, Tim. You were working with an ODI in I under Clapper. Um, and a guy could Robert Cardillo was the one who officially did it under Clapper by the way. So Clapper would have known that it was being blocked as well, which is really re-intressing, isn't it? So it's funny how you connect with these pictures,

this picture, you know, because, um, oh, yeah, they're all right. Are they going to be now? Are they going to be now transparent? I just saw, you sent me something minutes ago. There was a Tulsi Gabbard. She, like, puts something out through official ODI and I or something. And I think she's a badass. And I think she's on the level. And I think that she, she may be getting the full story may not be. Do you think ODI and I now is going to tell the truth

about UAP because Tulsi's in charge and is the big boss? Or do you think ODI and I is going to

“continue the cover up the slide of hand? What do you think, Chris? I think you coming to a”

place is a political appointee and you find yourself surrounded by people who are basically working

against your agenda, and basically saying that we can hold up for next four years or so, until the next guy leaves office, and we'll just wait out until then. I think that's a problem that many modern governments face. But I think it is very, very interesting because, you know, I've done some rewarding and I do believe that James Clapper and Stephanie O'Sullivan, when they were up ODI, they were running a UAP program, um, which involved kinetic action

taking down UAP and retrieving them. So I think, yeah, I think maybe from that time, you may find that some people potentially could be involved in that as well from Clapper's time, potentially.

Go back to Kirkpatrick, who was the first director of Arrow. Every time there's, he's been gone

for two years or more. Every time there's a UFO story, he's out in front, crapping on it. You know, President Trump announces he's going to authorize the release of files. Kirkpatrick is in the Wall Street Journal the next day saying, I've seen everything and there's nothing there. Nothing, whatsoever. It's all explainable. I can't imagine what it would be like for Coslovsky, Tim Phillips, who were there after Kirkpatrick left, and he is still acting as the spokesperson for

not only Arrow, but the whole UFO investigation and the topic for the entire U.S. government. And he's, he's not vulnerable anymore. Well, that's funny because, you know, they're talking a lot

where as Arrow are talking a little, I can't get any responses out of God for the moment. So basically,

“it's like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, this is true or not. I believe it is”

for the past. It's coming for our cart, cart name them. But I was offered the possibility to interview John Coslovsky. Oh, he's a ring, no one who knew him personally. And they told me yeah, I've approached John, John said, yeah, yeah, great. Chris could interview me, but he's got to go through the right channels. So I got in touch with Susan Goff said, oh, you know, could I, can I get a chance to interview John Coslovsky? And she was like, no, we're not doing that

right now. Any comment on this report that's many, many months overdue? I mean, they don't have a whole lot of deadlines for the entire organization. Where the hell is it? Nothing. Again, it's been complete wall to wall silence from Susan Goff. I really pushed her to comment on the video that you guys released over Syria. I got that out of her. I only got that because I threatened to make a official complaint against her. So I got that out of her, but I've got lots of

misquestions, including in terms of this report. And also come back with, we have, we have no news for you at the moment on that report. So I don't know what's going on, but it's failing. So yeah, they just got mystica. I do not know what's happened to the arrow. I don't know what's happening with the new Deputy Defense Deputy Secretary of War. I don't know what's going on with him, because at least Kathleen Hicks, I mean, she had all her force, but at least she made sure that

Yary was doing its job. But the new Deputy Secretary of Defense doesn't seem to be doing that. I don't know if you got into this, but any questions about, for example,

Instagram who speaks on behalf of the agency and who explains UFO cases or videos?

No, we didn't get into that, but I'm, you know, as a calmness person myself, that is something that is severely lacking. I mean, they need someone to break it all down and stuff like that for them, so that actually gets communicated properly in terms of what they're doing. Why you're not releasing videos like Jeremy and George in terms of high quality showing true enormous behavior?

“Why are they not releasing those videos? That's why I don't know, because he's telling me”

that there are these cases where they've got these extreme, former characteristics, but where are the videos? I've seen extreme characteristics from you guys in terms of, you know, the last video that you guys released, why are we getting that from the arrow? So, that's something that's really, really lacking. What I wanted to tell you, you didn't get into the studio, but you didn't get into the studio, you know, but you didn't get into it.

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“Does he stay in touch with Arrow and what they're doing?”

Is he still sort of a consultant or have any ties to it? Does he, is he in the know anymore? No, not from my understanding. He seems to be taking the break from it. I mean, the fact is that he didn't even realize,

where he says he didn't even realize that James Clapper had made those remarks in the age of disclosure. If that's true, then I mean, come on. You're talking about someone who's totally tapped out of it now. That is just, yeah. But again, that makes me think, how could he not know?

If he has the utmost respect for James Clapper, and he's a living, grieving person who has access to a computer and a TV, how did he not know that Clapper had made those remarks? Do you see what I mean? This is where it gets into his grazing, where you don't know what's an act and what's not. But to me, it seemed that he was trying his best to convey how extraordinary these cases were.

They could not solve without telling me that he thinks he's a railing in technology. It seemed to me that he was trying to go as far as he could. And the rest of it was just performative. That's how it came across to me. I know you've just completed this interview not long before we were recording this with you.

“What are you going to do with it? When's it coming out?”

And how big of a story is this going to be?

Yeah, so we are aiming to get out in the Daily Mail, so I provided a first draft of Josh.

We'll see if they take it. I think it's pretty pretty extraordinary because you're talking about someone who was a official lead in the UAP office within the US government. And someone who you know is taking a skeptical approach of UAP. And now he is going out there, making some startling claims in terms of the cases that they've got. So I think that's worth its waiting golden terms of a story.

And yeah, I think this story, I mean, if he is saying that these are beyond curbite the known systems of human technology. I think that ought to capture the attention of the US government. And I also think as well that they need one thing they do need to do is they need to get access to those sensors on the water. They need to get access to in terms of the underwater activity. You know, countries that have access to every he hasn't.

I think the US and the present related states need a full understanding of what is going on in the underwater domain. I have one last question, then Jeremy, you could take it away. A lot of whistleblowers and witnesses came forward. Arrow invited them to come forward, tell what they know. They did it in what they thought was the patriotic duty.

Came in, gave statements where they're available for questions.

We don't believe them. And I'm not sure how they could expect anyone ever to come forward again and be trusted by Arrow. Did you get into that and all the DNA? Yeah, we did. So I asked him about Michael Herrera, for instance, he said that he had seen a craft.

And he didn't mention that craft was extraterrestrial. He just said it was a craft. You know, and a exotic craft was something like that.

But in the report, Arrow had called an extraterrestrial, which he never did.

So I really pushed him on that. He was like, oh, I didn't do all that case. So, you know, I wouldn't be the physician's speaker. He did say that, oh, what we did is we made sure that we got the witness statements. And we gave these statements to the witnesses to sign. So they knew what was going, you know, what they said, like, they would provide a statement.

“So this is what you said, can you sign it just to make sure it was accurate?”

That's where he was conveysly. And he said that everyone who was into you got one of those. And they signed it to make sure that nothing was being taken out of context. That's how you conveyed it to me. Yeah, and then it was directly put into the shredder. What? What happened to it?

This is it. And the fact that he didn't deal with what he says he didn't deal with in a rare case. Um, yeah, this is what I could get a good answer on that one. There was somebody on the TV show I did. You have a revolution who you hear him explain what happened, how they treated his case. Like the people that called them, the general and the other guy, like they were great.

But there was zero follow up and he was very disgruntled about it because these guys put it on the line to talk with them. And it just seemed like they were sucking up for counterintel. Again, the employees are great, but it's the, you know, project blue box. It's the idea we're going to absorb the info, take it away, keep it like this. You can all day, it's like when you're a kid, man.

By the time you turn 13, if you're not thinking for yourself, you can't blame the parents anymore.

“Okay, when you're working in those things, you should quit and defiance.”

If you find out that you're doing something, you know, where you're doing something immoral. It doesn't matter if somebody tells you it's your job. So I'm just, I'm sorry, I'm pissed today and it makes me pissed. I'm glad you did the interview. I'd be horrible at it.

Three specific questions about the Capatric interview. Real quick, rapid fire. Did he say whether the space detections that he talked about were corroborated by multi sensors or just single source sensors? Yeah, he, he just would not get into any detail about those specific cases, although he did mention that he was very, very proud that that was a gap that he knew of and that they had started a collaboration led by him with space force and space command to ensure they were getting that data.

And he was mentioning as well that if it's not a threat or seen as hostile, they usually won't pay attention to something that they see out in space or in orbit or something like that. So it was important to make sure that you were picking up those kinds of cases. So yeah, that was something that came to mind, yeah. Okay, so am I correct in a quote where he said in your interview, we could conclusively prove it wasn't adversary or friendly. Did he say that because I have a question then?

Yeah, so he basically said that we were able to conclusively prove it wasn't a known system either adversary or friendly.

Okay, so did he explain what methodology he used to reach that conclusion?

“He only went so far to say that they would call up contractors as certain elements within the D.A.W. and I think the intelligence community is well to say, look, is this one of yours?”

No, it's not one of yours and I'm not sure how they're able to determine though that it wasn't an adversary technology as well. But he's a conclusion, conclusively, so if you take him as word, that's pretty big. Okay, so yeah, we just talked with a friend Logan and he was explaining to us how when he was shown footage on a radar system. He kind of explained how they could determine it wasn't trying to rush a US or whatever, so I just curious. Last question from me about this.

I've been out of the media, I avoid it like the plague. It's very painful to look at things I want last media. But did he address why he went on LinkedIn to downplay things after such a like a candid interview didn't he recently go on LinkedIn? Yeah, yeah, so again he's using that terminology from understanding.

We need to correct me, but he was saying that basically we found no evidence for a Bible evidence, I'm like that, or the extraterrestrial or aliens or anything like that.

And this is what he's doing, you know, you've heard these quotes that he said, you know, and it sounds to me that he's leaving very, very little room for an explanation that could

be human in origin.

“So, but he is not willing for some reason to go as far as to say, at least say, I think it is extraterrestrial.”

I think it's not human because we can't do this. Do you think he was talked to like representative Birch it was by the quote unquote suits? Do you think he was talked to like probably Obama was when he definitively said aliens are real with no caveat? Do you think that he has somebody calling him like our other friends have? I think it is because straight away, when an official who's very, very senior says that there's aliens in a straight face.

Well, okay, that's going to cause a big story. It could potentially lead to uncertainty in the stock market. It could lead to destabilization of politics. So when you say that as a politician or someone very, very senior a position to know, that's when all hell could break loose when you say this is alien or they're aliens. What about Trump then? What about Trump saying that it's classified aliens are classified?

“That's what he said, right? Am I getting that wrong?”

No, you're not. So this is why I believe what he said was such a big deal.

Basically, it seems to me, like I was saying, it seems to me that they're able to go so far, but once they use the word alien,

that's when they go over the line, basically, they go over the line. I think Trump did not specify what it was that Obama said that was across the line. Right. What would he say if you look at the question? Yeah. Well, you know, he said a remark about there's no aliens underground at Area 51. Maybe it's the mention of 51 or I can imagine how saying that aliens are real would possibly be a violation of national security protocols. We don't know. I'm curious, Chris, and I'm not asking you to be a spokesperson for the entire UK.

“But how is that back and forth, Trump and Obama on this issue?”

And then Trump's order, hey, we're going to release the files. How's it being viewed over there? It's picked up some coverage. I think people, because our politics, I mean, like your politics as well, is so intense. We've got high profile figures in this country being arrested in terms of the Epstein scandal, for instance. And we've got British territory being seeded away to Russia, some are spying billions of taxpayers. So you've got all these debates. But what interesting thing is, you know, talking about the Jacob Islands, which is something that's available.

You know, we're giving away Diego Garcia, basically, the islands where Diego Garcia is to Mauritius, and we're giving away to Mauritius and then giving them the money after giving them away.

And one of the people who's really re-involved in campaigning in terms of saying that we should not be doing this, we should be giving away these vital islands. And paying for the privilege to do so is no gardener. He's the former aid to market factory. He works the Heritage Foundation. You could view him as like a UK elite, basically. And I had an interview on talk TV of Alex Phillips and Friday, and he was one of the guests on there. And after my interview, Alex basically said that noils face, just like dropped. He just like, and he said, "Gosh, I know who Chris is speaking about. I know these names. I know these people."

And he went on to say that I think that interview that you did with this that day email. Oh, John, this was a extraordinary, and this is something that we need to be paying attention to. So I think that there are a lot of people who are just kind of asleep with the world that they don't realize what's going on. And then when they got time to actually digest what is going on, it's rattling them, especially what's happening with the bar where what's happened with Trump. Trump was deadly serious and the White House, you know, because Fox News did ask saying which part of it was classified. Was it when he said the aliens are real behind the White House.

Basically said we have nothing to add to what Trump said. That was the White House. By the way, that was the White House is that that was their time where they could have said that was their opportunity to say that Trump was just shaking around.

Yeah, so I don't know what's happening with him, the White House right now, but I suspect something quite big is going down potentially at a moment.

“Can I ask you a specific question? I don't understand when you're talking about the facial expression. What do you mean by that? What is the guy showing us by that facial expression?”

It was kind of like, it was just described by Alex because it often means if you, they went to like an advert break and Alex is basically describing that after the interview, kind of like just sunk in like his face like, oh, something along those lines, like, I know the people that Chris is talking about. Wow, kind of like just sunk in that line. The guy knows the people, but he didn't know what they were talking about that he'd been out of the loop kind of a thing. Yeah, I didn't know what people it was relating to, so I mean, I mean, I mentioned names like Pete Hescketh, John Rackler, people like that, so maybe it was relating to those kinds of people or it was like, it's like Tim Phillips not having known what his power has said in a movie.

It's a little bit disconnected. Yeah, there is a, there is a disconnect there, so yeah, it's just interesting because for me, like, I don't even think the interview went that well for me. I didn't think I was that great. Just kind of like, and I wanted to let as many people to know as possible, say, look, this is this guy's reaction, like, you're seeing it live on air, just like someone who's not really previously being aware of this, kind of like, take this away in a real curve like heavyweight in a leap curve like person who's highly intelligent, who knows about all the world events that's going on.

He hasn't really digested what's been going on in the UAP sphere, and now it's finally, do you know what I mean? And I think if we do kind of get more disclosures in the upcoming days, weeks and months, I think we can expect some more of those reactions. Chris, as you rise to the pinnacle of journalism, I hope you will remember your old hobbling friends who are just trying to get through life, and you just occasionally just scrape something off the table, couple of tidbits, bread grums, whatever, and help out some, some old guys who are trying to find their way.

“Absolutely, I can't wait to take heed to the pub in the UK, if we've got a good one called the George M. Dragon, let me in Jeremy will take heed to you, and we're looking forward to seeing you.”

Chris, I just want people to hear that, you know, there are people that are trusted, and you are trusted, I think you're an excellent journalist, and don't ever fucking stop, just keep fighting man, and people, if they got something sensitive, they can go to you man, because you will protect people, protect sources,

we've known each other for years, you never said a single name to me, and I've tried, you know, that's part of my job is trying to figure out what's going on.

I really respect your journalism, thank you so much for joining us. Yeah, and we fully expect to take all the credit for your work to go forward. See ya.

“Chris has come a long way, and he's doing some great work. He's developed sources, we have no idea who they are, but every week he breaks something really good.”

And I look forward to reading his article based on this interview with Tim Phillips, I also really look forward to the reaction to it.

Do they come out and say, I didn't say that, or I was taken out of context, or, you know, or some other weasel words that would try to diminish what's what Chris clearly outlined is going to be in his piece. Man, I'm so proud of Chris, and he is such a trusted journalist, you know, George, I was sitting in this meadow yesterday. And man, I was like, I hadn't done that in like a long time in pioneer town, right? You've got like these washes, and I haven't done that in a while. And I like all of a sudden I just relax, I was like, this is an exciting time. This is one of the most exciting times in opportunity, because we have had zero announcements.

And people are thinking on Tuesday or Wednesday that there's going to be during the state of the union. There's either going to be the words, UFOs in it, or there's not. And I would suspect that there's two speeches that have been written. And they're debating right now at a very high level with the comms people, I would just suspect that they're trying to figure out what are the steps that we can do to explain to people. I'm sitting there in this meadow and I sent you a video, George, and I was like, this is what relaxing looks like.

I was not relaxed. I was so excited, because this is a unique time in the history of the UAP topic for journalism.

Did you ever think that we at least were asking the right questions like we are now? Did you ever think we get here? No, not really. I mean, you had not only the sitting president, but a former president having a back and forth about UFOs and wasn't a direct conversation,

but both making comments, walking things back and then a declaration by President Trump, it's an amazing time.

And I know the immediate reaction to the public is, this is a distraction from the Epstein files.

“I think probably everything that Trump does for the rest of his life is going to be viewed as a distraction from the Epstein files.”

We're going to maybe start polarizing Iran here in a couple of days that will be seen as a distraction from the Epstein files. I think his reaction was legit that he really does want to see the files release. I'm not sure that his interest in the topic is all that deep, but I know he has political instincts that can recognize, hey, whenever I say something about this, people really react. So I'm going to go with the flow. You know, so the president is issued a directive. There are a lot of obstacles in the way.

He's going to have to declassify stuff if he's actually going to get files to be released.

And the keepers of the secrets who've kept this stuff stashed away and have lied to the world public about it for 80 years, they're not going to give it up easily. But you know, unless a president stays on top of it and forces the issue, he's not going to get to the bottom of it. I mean, you know, we've had a lot of presidents since Harry Truman, all of them had varying degrees of interest in the UFO issue. Maybe George H. W. Bush is the guy that knew the most, but they've made promises similar to what Trump has done.

And then it goes nowhere unless somebody in his administration is appointed to stay on top of this and make people comply with the order. And you know, go through the process of declassifying stuff, then maybe it goes nowhere. But even if that happens, the fact that the president says, hey, people are interested in it. They have a right to know and we're going to do what we can to release the files. That's a big deal even if we don't get the files.

Shout out to our pal Peter from Fox News because he was on that airplane with Trump.

“Yeah, and he just asked the question that we all wanted to know and I think you'll agree with this George is that like our representatives or decades.”

They've been assessing the potential threat of NHI and UFO, you know, for American sovereignty. I mean, they've been assessing that for so long. I understand why the secrecy, but, you know, we're, and they were wisely compartmentalizing everything to protect and detect competitive advantage is strategic surprise. So now, kind of part of that self preservation, you know, people are more wise to it now and people have recognized that there's substance to this. So I really think that that time has now passed and that we need a people's champion.

We need somebody to say the quiet part out loud and it might be for selfish reasons. It might be to distract or it might be, I don't care. But if somebody says it, imagine state of the union, they bring up UFOs. I mean, man, you would be the people's champ because everybody already knows UFOs are real. You've been lying about it, we get why you're lying about it.

So I don't know, is it weird for me to be optimistic, maybe not the state of the union, but that we're on a course. A collision course with truth, is there, am I stupid for being optimistic? We've had this discussion before. I am encouraged by the fact that the current president is talking about UAP and given a directive to federal agencies. That's a big moment, even if it leads nowhere.

I am pessimistic about how it ultimately plays out because the people who keep this secrets do not want it out. And there will be all kinds of witnesses who will come to the president and tell them why it's a really bad idea to release this and that. Oh, boy, we can't release this, it's going to reveal we have ex-technology. There'll be a lot of excuses and a lot of whispering in his ear about why it's a bad idea. I hope he sticks to it.

I hope he stays on top of it.

The problem is the president, whether you think it's everything is a distraction from something else or not.

Every single day, there's something new on his plate, that's a potential world crisis. So it's hard to stay focused. The same thing is true for Congress. They got so much stuff to deal with.

“The only way to make this make progress and really get somewhere is to stay on top of it.”

Maintain the focus and follow up your promise to have these files and other evidence declassified and released. We'll see. Again, I have a little bit on the pessimistic side, but we'll see.

I think the time is now and before another nation does it, I think America will be too late if they don't do it now and lead by example.

And look, man, if I had to choose one thing, what do you do first? If somebody, let's say,

“at the Pentagon says, com, com's people say, what should we do first?”

I would say we were at least all the scientific data and corroborative visual evidence of UAP that doesn't directly endanger our great union's national security. And if you do that as step number one, then we can move on George because then we won't have this subversion because we know the footage is out there.

“We've seen it and so of other people, they admitted it to us on weaponized.”

So I would say that would be the first thing that I would do if I was giving guidance and they had the courage and the grit to fight that.

George, no matter what you say, man, I'm pumped. Well, again, we'll see I'm there with you.

“If it happens, that's great. Yeah, we've been down this road before and other presidents and presidential candidates have made these promises and they fizzled.”

So I'd like to see it. There's a tiny part of my brain that is optimistic but the rest of the bacon space up here is mostly pessimistic.

But never like this, George.