Rep. Eric Burlison Breaks Silence On Top Secret UAP Site Visit

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that you just understand. "Egalobstudium, Job" or "Unsu." "Castimmt." "Cras." I don't feel like "Stroyer" then.

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I have a logistics centre on the way,

and of course, I can continue to build.

For example, in "Robotick". So, that's my job. A career.

“"Armatzon" opens with more than 4,500€ per year”

for "Visor Steuer-Visor Steuer-App". It's a daily experience. But I am, for sure, and certain that there is a form of really advanced physics or an area of physics that we have never seen.

A level of technology that we do not have that capabilities of. And it's almost terrifying. The last, the last revelation I have seen is, whether it's China, or it's either way, it's an ontological shock.

Well, General McCaseland definitely is connected to the UAP topic, and I know that he is someone that we have been wanting to try to talk to. I know Grush has attempted to communicate with him, and he's been, I'm surprised that anything is happening. That has something that has happened to him,

given the fact that he has been pretty difficult to communicate on heat every time that anybody's reached out to him, he's said that he has nothing to say on the topic. So maybe, I don't know, but he certainly, we believe that he has a lot to say about this topic.

It seems like a pants-on-fire moment for a guy like him, whether there's UFO involvement or not, for him to just vanish, possibly abducted by foreign interests or others, that's a huge moment. Now, the story is kind of picking up scheme

in mainstream media, finally.

But geez, it seems like it should be front and center. Yes, it's weaponized. [MUSIC PLAYING] This is weaponized. I'm George Nap here in Las Vegas,

joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbyl. Jeremy, how you doing? Doesn't look like you're at home. I feel at home anywhere I go, George. I really do.

Secret location? Is that your hideout? It's not my hideout, but it is absolutely a secret location. Yeah. We are in frequent contact with members of Congress.

We'll call them up and chat on a Zoom or something like that. It's mostly private conversations just to stay in touch and know how we can help them or what's going on. One of the guys we talked to often

represented of Eric Burlison of Missouri. And he's done a bunch of interviews. He makes himself very available to media who have questions for him, and they face questions about-- he and the other congressional champions

for UFO disclosure face challenges. I mean, on a daily basis, and about their interest in UFOs.

“And the fact is, it doesn't help them very much”

in the big picture. Members of the house run for reelection every two years. And today, we are joined by this guy, one of the most dedicated members of Congress when it comes to UFO truth and transparency represented Burlison.

Many of you have likely seen clips of other interviews he's done. We stay in touch, but we got an interview with him. We've been looking to do this for a while. Get him back on weaponized to talk about current events.

And this was recorded for the benefit of our audience. So recorded in two sessions over the last week. And I'll tell you, Jeremy, every time I look at a transcript of those conversations, I want to kick myself in the butt for not asking X or Y.

Some other question that occurs to me too late. Well, we got him. We covered a lot of current events, as well as the political realities that face members like him. Yeah.

And I've been debating this. I don't think we should cut anything out. I think that what we talked about-- look, it's my job to be a harpoon. Sometimes that's my role is to try to just really

poke the ribs and say, you know, what can you say? And sometimes I feel bad, because there are friends of ours. I did that to Dr. McCatsky, but look, it turned out OK. So that's just how I am. It's no disrespect.

I want to poke and see.

And I think people will enjoy the personality of somebody that they've got some misconceptions about. I got that's fought so hard with Rep Luna,

with Rep Birchit, with others who have never been named.

I'm really grateful he gave us time. Man, he's given other people time. So you know, but I'm grateful he gave us some time. So that's really neat today that people get to witness what is often just a private conversation.

Yeah, he's right in the middle of something pretty important. No, you know, like you, we have expectations about how successful his quest might be. But he got the green light to go ahead and visit classified locations where supposedly there's there are a UFO connections, facilities.

I don't think he expected to find alien bodies anywhere. But just the fact that he gets in the door is amazing. I wish we could go along with him. Anyway, we're going to talk about that, as well as General McCastland, a missing general and a lot of other stuff in these two conversations.

Yeah, man, I can't wait, you know, I fancy myself and Spectre Crusoe that doesn't know it.

“Because I think he was really smart, right?”

But he acted kind of dumb.

But he always got the case solved, you know,

so I'm like in a Spectre Crusoe that doesn't know it. But I think Rep Birchit and tell me if I'm getting this wrong, you've told me about Donkihote. Is there any comparison between Donkihote and our understanding of Rep Birchit?

Because I don't know the story. Well, there's a phrase about Donkihote tilting at windmills, you know, which is he's fighting a windmill and impossible task, something he cannot possibly win. And that may be true for Representative Burlison

and Representative Luna Birchit and the others in both houses of Congress who are trying to chase this down. Because as you and I have said many times on this program, the keepers of the secrets are really good at their job. And they can not only hide stuff for a long time from the public,

but also from members of Congress. And Representative Burlison is digging in his heels. He's doing the heavy lifting. And here's our conversations with him. Representative Burlison, thanks for joining us.

We don't have much time, so let's jump right to it. You'd recently took a field trip to Pax River.

“Can you tell us what your expectations were going in?”

And then can you describe the trip and what you saw? You know, guys, I can't really, I have not publicly said that I've taken the trip to Pax River at this time. And so, okay, I'm being extremely cautious

about where I've gone so far because, but I have gone to a facility, I've gone to a location

that is the first on, you know, on a list of hopefully many locations.

And what I'm trying to do is not jeopardize, make that you not jeopardize for future trips. And it, but believe me, at the end of this, I will be making it public, very public. Well, what were your expectations going into the undisclosed location?

Because, you know, they know you're coming. If there is something there to hide, it's hidden from you. I would thank, right? Yeah, it is. And honestly, the location that we went to was more of,

I had been told that there's nothing there that's current. And so that they're not going to like pull a curtain and you're going to see something at this moment, but at least you're able to see, I was able to see facilities that,

“facilities that explain some of the stories that I've heard, right?”

And so, able to see that and, which kind of flesh is out, some of the narratives that have happened. And set down with, you know, a particular individual that I've wanted to meet with for some time, that I could only meet at that location in a secure setting.

And, and so I finally was able to get that meeting put together. And I'll tell you, that meeting was remarkable. I had to really, really stretch my brain. This individual was, was extremely advanced in his intelligence and knowledge.

And I am, I'm like, like, a not like a baby novice in quantum physics. And, but I will say, I walk, when we walk down to that room. I'm, I'm proud to say that I'm next to you

as the person we spoke with. I knew more than everybody else in the room. No, so at least I was able to keep up more than others were. - Can I ask you this? So, the world has reported that you went to Pax River.

You didn't say that, but the world has already reported that. That was their guess. And I know that you're trying to be protected because it sounds like you have a number of other facilities that you've been allowed access to in the near future.

And I know that you will tell us what you see or don't see.

that there was a $10 million facility

that was built to hold non-human intelligence craft or parts of those craft that, that was a transfer from Lockheed Martin after it failed with AWESAP, actually. Something like that, maybe I've got it wrong. But when you say you sat with somebody,

was the tone that UFOs are real and that our government has been working on them or was the tone that UFOs are not real and we haven't been working on them? - So the tone that I got was that from the knowledge

of the people that are working there today that they had no knowledge or awareness of any UAP, non-human intelligence, material, or aspects, which we look, there's lots of turnover. It could be historical, we could have,

which is why a lot of times what we're hearing is people that have retired from military or retired from intelligence and are coming forward. But yeah, currently active on that site, the people that I spoke with,

have adamantly denied in anything related to non-human intelligence. And is there a chance in your mind that because you were told specifically by multiple people that you would go there

to see nothing, that this facility was built to hold something and it was constructed

for $10 million, but you would see nothing.

- Yeah, is there any part of your mind? - And million, I think you let 10 million doesn't scratch the surface Jeremy.

“I think it was, I don't remember the exact number”

but I think the facility was a lot more than 10 million. So does it cross your mind? - I hate this one. I'll just say this, I'll say this, I think the hangar door is probably cost 10 million.

- I'll be doors alone. - So does it, so that's amazing because we know, I know, George knows, there was 10 million allocated for this separate site, we know who designated the building of it,

but there's probably dark money, but here's the question.

The question is really simple, which is that,

is there any part of your mind that is suspicious of why they let you come see nothing and then told you that they don't have any knowledge of NHI equipment, is there anything in you that thinks maybe I was told to go there

so I could be told that and tell the world and that's the end of the story.

“Do you think that they break into a dog and party show?”

- No, I do not. Based on the information that I've been given from David Graschen and others that had some insights there. So, you really knew it that they don't know. - Yeah, I really believe you talked with.

I don't think that they would lie to a member of Congress and I don't think that they gave me a dog and pony show. What I make up, Jeremy, is that, and what I was able to ask for, Tain, is that, there is a facility that had a purpose,

it serves a great purpose today and it's a necessary facility. I think it had a broader purpose than the UAP topic, but it would be a perfect location if you were to do a reverse engineering of a UAP.

It would be the perfect location to do something like that. - President Trump gave you the green light, to visit these assorted places you'd like to see that may have something to do with the UFO mystery. He also issued it directive in response

to something former President Obama said, and this directive generally said, "Hey, if you've got UFO files, release them." I'd like to get your take on that. Do you think it needs something stronger

than just a directive, such as an executive order? And how does he, and it doesn't also require declassification of files that you know are gonna be withheld? - So, that's a great question.

I do think it needs to have an executive order. From conversations I've had with others in his administration, it seems like that they're planning for, or you may see an executive order come out.

“I think that right now they don't really know”

exactly what they want that to say, what he wants to have in that executive order at this time. But I will say, the statement that he made has really litifier in the, whether it's the Department of War or intelligence, you know, the intelligence community,

it is litifier, and really given them the green light that they've been act, from what I, the conversation with me is that, you know, when they said, that we've had a hard time prioritizing this because it's not been a priority.

and if it's not a priority of the President,

then it's hard to justify using resources on something that's a low priority. But now that the President has given us that green light and just simply, you know, sending that social media to eat or truth, they now feel like they have a green light

and they are dedicating resources.

“More resources than I believe have ever been dedicated”

before to this topic. And so I'm seeing urgency and an motivation on this. - We've heard comments that you've made elsewhere about a new organization higher than arrow, different organizations, entities, three letter agencies

that are involved now in this process. Is that a result of this order or was that already in the, in the works?

- I think that there was, so the administration came in,

it was evaluating arrow, you know, the success and the failures of arrow and what, how they can do, what they can do to make it better. And I think that this, I think that they're exploring doing something of that kind, where they're giving

a kind of formal board that has much greater authority or across, you know, that would have much greater authority to actually direct the actions that, I mean, arrow has the authority to get all the information in the world, but they can't, as I've put it before,

they're not the bosses of people, right? So they're going to people and politely asking for them to spend time and resources gathering these documents and information that they do have authority to see.

And there's no denying that they don't have the authority

to see that. So, but at the end of the day, everybody that they're trying to work with the boss has a boss who has given them things to work on and that's not, if that's not in their priority list,

it made, it made fall behind. So a lot of times people are frustrated with the slowness of arrow or, you know, but, and that's that may be a function of that, certainly. - So I have like, rapid fire, just five questions.

- So the other, but before you get to that, before I would say, the other thing is the arrow, you know, they could ask to see something and then request for that to be declassified and don't have the authority

because they're requesting it from another entity to declassify. So I think that part of this needs to be that this broad broader overarching group needs to be the ones directing that based on the advice of arrow

and they need to make it happen. - Okay, so I've got six questions. It rapid fire unless you want to expand

“just basic fundamentals and if you want to disclose more”

about this go ahead, do you find Matthew Brown credible and honest? - I do, yeah, I do find him credible and honest and I think that, I think that he's an American patriot. I think that he loves this country,

he wants to do the right thing. I think he's morally compelled to be involved in this topic and so, but I also know him to be someone who protects with further national secrets. - Absolutely.

You know that he recorded with us this last weekend and that we are going to release what he believes to be accurate and true. And that's gonna cause some waves because of what we recorded, if what he's saying is accurate

and true. So my next question is, do you find ODI and I, the soldiers, the agents on the UAP issue right now, for Tulsi, Tulsi separate, Tulsi's a gangster. I trust Tulsi, do you trust ODI and I,

the agents on the UAP topic right now that Matthew actually and Dylan Borland and a bunch of people had to meet with,

“do you find them to be genuine and honest without names?”

I really would, and I apologize but I really don't want to decline to comment 'cause I don't want to jeopardize any relationships that I have. - Beautiful answer.

Next question, and you don't got to answer anything I ask you. I'm, I'm repurlisten, you don't got to answer anything I ask you. Thank you for your time, last four questions, okay? Well, I'll just put it on record, I, I do not trust, what's going on with ODI and I under the nose of Tulsi,

that's a personal opinion informed one though. Do you trust arrows, I've got four more? Do you trust arrow if they are given power,

with the American public,

“or do you think they're gonna be another project,”

blue book, we'll call it project, blue box? - I, I like the new administrator at Arrow, better than the previous one. So my, my level of trust has improved. And, and I'll, I'll leave it at that.

Okay, I'll say this, I'll just blank itly, say Jeremy, I will stick by the original statement that I said to David Grush in the very first hearing before we had even known each other is that I don't, I don't trust government at all.

I really just don't generally have a sense of distrust for, for government. - Okay, but, but, but then again, like I'm having conversations with people, I don't, I, I, I, I, I don't, I don't, I don't think that it's their desire goal to lie to me,

but, but you, you always have to be sketchy with somebody.

- Yeah, I mean, look, it's very simple, it's math. Somebody's lying. It's either David Grush, and it's Matthew Brown, and still in Portland, and it's Eric Davis, and so I'll put off, and it's Jay Stratton,

and it's you named the list, or Odie and I is lying. So the question becomes, and not Tulsi, but her soldiers, so here's the last four questions, very simple, is that you've worked with David Grush, now a whistleblower that became an employee of Congress in yours,

“you fought for that, is David Grush worthy of our trust publicly?”

- I think so, I think so, and, you know, he's gone through the ringer, and, and I think that he, you know, people think that I will say, there's a narrative out there that they're gonna try to say, oh, all of these guys are just trying to grift and make money,

and I just can tell you firsthand that is not the case. They've made tremendous sacrifices financially, and it has not been to their benefit. And personal safety, which the world will find out about, because it's already recorded.

So now, last three questions, if it were packs, river, that you went to, that will create drama, because of what people are gonna learn now, do you think you will see UFOs in the other facilities that you are scheduled to go see?

Yes or no, do you think you're gonna see non-human intelligence craft? Some of them, I won't, and some of them I might.

- Well, I mean, one would be amazing.

Did that would just be life-changing, that we're not alone, and that it would be. - Okay, so, but you'll tell, that's the goal. - That's the goal, is to find that needle in the haystack. - And you and there's no needle,

I know exactly where you need to go, and so do other people, and they've informed you.

“So the question is, are you gonna be shown it if it exists?”

And if it does, one is enough, that's all we need, and then we know there's been a cover up, and everybody else, like David Grasch, Matthew Brown, Dylan Borlan, Jay Stratton, how put off you name them, they've been telling the truth

the whole way along Luela Zondo, has been telling as much truth as you could all the way around last three questions, and then George is gonna take over. What do you know, or what do you now believe after your first sight visit, summarized it?

- What, what I now, so what, I came out of this topic thinking that it was probably just like complete hogwash, that there was no such thing as non-humanity or aliens visiting us from another planet. But I was open to the possibilities.

Now I know for sure that there's something that's happening. I'm not eliminating the possibility that it could be China. But I am for sure, and certain, that there is a form of really advanced physics,

or an area of physics that we have never seen,

a level of technology that we do not have that capabilities of, and it's almost terrifying. The last revelation that I have seen is it, whether it's China, or it's either way, it's an ontological shock. - Revelations that you have personally seen

that the American public has not been allowed to see. Is that correct? I would say yes. - Thank you for your honesty. I really appreciate just last question.

- No, go ahead. - No, you go ahead. - I'm, I'm, keep going. Okay, last question I have is, should George and I with whistleblowers reveal crimes

If we know and can prove that there were mortal crimes

related to UAP, should George and App and I release that? - Absolutely. - Absolutely. I'm all about transparency, and I think if you've got,

“if you've got information, you should be releasing it.”

- By name? - Yeah, if you, if you have proof that it individuals committed a crime, publicly? - Yeah, I mean, you're the press. That's why we need the fourth estate.

- So, what is the next step for this disclosure thing that we're experiencing? - We have several next steps. One is we just sent a letter to Pete Hegset, told C to Chris Wright, and to...

I'm blanking, but we just sent a letter signed by myself and many other members of Congress.

And we're basically reiterating what the president has said

and then asking for a disclosure to members of Congress and then, and further, I gave them a list of files that I've become aware of, that we gave them the names and the dates of these files. And I have people who are monitoring these files

to see if anything happens to them, whether they're deleted or changed or whatever. - Explain that. So you have a list of files that I assume you obtain from journalists or people like that

that are of UFOs allegedly, and you wanna see them. And so you're monitoring right now if they get deleted before you're given access, is that what you're saying? - I have someone monitoring it, yes.

“And you were given a list of videos from journalists, maybe?”

- Yes, between journalists and the UAP disclosure funds. We've got a list. - That is so cool. - And I'm gonna get more. I've just spoken with a recent individual

who reached out to me that's giving me a lot of bigger lists as well. And I'll be adding that to the, I'll be sending another letter as soon as I get that.

- Amazing, so it is like, can you speak

if Dylan Borland, if Nua Lasano, are they worthy of public trust to the best of your knowledge? - Yeah, you know, look, I don't think anybody, I've had one individual that I'm pretty confident was lying to me, most people are not lying.

- Oh, it's lying. I don't wanna say it because I don't wanna create an enemy here. - Should the press, meaning me and George and others, put out the UFO videos that we may have obtained over the decades, as long as they don't hurt

their national security, should we put it all out and let people see as much as we can do without harming national security? - Absolutely, Jeremy, if somebody gives you information,

“you're the press, I think the American public expects you”

to release it. - I have a duty, right? - Yes. - Congressman, as you know, the intelligence agencies, the keepers of the secrets, whoever they might be,

are really good at their job. You're in Debra now, the attempt and the plan to visit various sites, talk to people at various secret sites. What do you think the chances are that you'll get information that would sort of confirm what your suspicions are

and light of how good these folks are at hiding things, including hiding them from Congress? - That's a good question. I don't really think that I think the odds are not very good. That they're going to pull a curtain

and show me an alien or some kind of craft. But I do think that it's worth going to these locations to at least understand the narrative, understand the context of all of the stories and narratives that I've heard.

And then kind of piece together and say, well, if I don't see something here, maybe there is something that explains that this is a good location where things, where if you were going to put,

if you were going to have a laboratory where you were working on biologics, this clearly would be a great location. And at least it might validate some of the stories, right? So I think that there's value in it going there,

even knowing that it's likely that they're going to move things before I get there. - What are the chances that you would actually could be discouraged from pursuing it further?

The people there all tell you the same thing. Aha, that's a crazy myth.

Here's what we've been doing.

People confused it with UFOs. And it's all a bunch of nonsense created by these crazies online. Is there a point where they could actually, they're really good at changing perceptions

and occasionally misleading Congress? Any chance they could discourage you or other members from thinking that this is real that there's something worth pursuing? You know, you only got so much time to deal with this

and so much, you can't dedicate 100% of your time on this topic, but I do think, for me, I've just an observing arrow, for example, and watching crew Patrick whenever I met with him, a lot of people have had differing opinions about him,

but what I picked up was that they had become discouraged themselves.

“They, at least that's what they relayed to me”

and it's not so many words that they followed up on a lot of leads, didn't get anywhere. I don't want to become like that. I don't want to let it get to me, which generally in politics,

I've not let things get to me. And so I just, I will just continue to be that happy warrior trying to look for whatever truth I can find. But once or another big picture question and Jeremy can jump in here, you know,

as a member of Congress, as you just mentioned, you have all kinds of priorities on your plate all the time.

There's always something more pressing than UFOs.

I mean, we've got this war in Iran, oil prices going crazy, the controversy over the Epstein files, the tariffs. There's always something more pressing for you to deal with. Same for the president, you know, he issued this order, hey, I want all the files and, you know,

since then, all hell is broken loose.

“I seriously doubt UFOs is a very high priority for him.”

The same thing for you, right? I mean, it seems like at some point, as you said, you can only donate so much time to this issue. - That's right, I mean, I've got, I gave a speech at one of my local community events

and I rattled off a list of about 20 different bills that I'm sponsoring, some legislation that we've successfully passed.

Some huge constituent wins in the district

that it took literally for me to pass a bill through the word where the water resource development act language and the work that I'm doing on the wins that I was able to get in the one big beautiful bill, all of those policy wins, and the work that I'm currently

working on with the health care reform package that we're trying to get pushed. And then I say, at the end of that, I've said, but then there's the one thing that everyone wants to talk about is the UAP UFO topic.

“And so, look, I do a lot of, I would say,”

95% of the work that I'm doing is not UAP, but that does not get any attention whatsoever. It's the UAP topic that is 100% of the media requests interview requests and all of that. You guys didn't call me on to ask me about the encroachment

issues at Table Rock Lake where I live. But that topic, for example, is probably taken up a good 20% of my time and we're in efforts, but gets no press, no attention whatsoever. - And is it your constituents, when you made that speech

to that group, are they with you on that? Do they respond to it? Are they asking you questions about UAP? - I do have some constituents that really care about the topic and a very intrigued about it.

I find what's interesting is I'll be traveling through an airport. The other day, I was walking through the Atlanta airport and someone came running from behind the Windy's counter and came up to me and said, is your name Eric?

And I said, yes, and I said that because that can go one way or another, it can go a really bad direction or it can be go a good direction. And they wanted to thank me for the work that we're been doing on disclosure.

So it is nice to hear from people who care about this topic. - Jeremy? - Ref be, you have been accused before of just really talking to anybody. It's one of the most charming things about you

is that you seem to be willing to give your value-- - I'll talk to you guys. (laughing) And I'm gonna kiss you having a good sense of humor now to you watch out.

- Yeah, man. And so it's just like, you've been accused of that, man, is that you'll talk to people and you'll go on small podcast,

You'll give your time so much and I really appreciate that about you, we all only have limited time. Is there like a philosophy because to be on the nose, you've also been photographed around those alleged, like alien bodies and people put all these thoughts on you

and they say, well, he believes this or he believes that. But I've been from knowing you, there's a philosophy you have about why you give your time and why you kind of look for yourself rather than just hear what people say, this guy's telling the truth,

this guy's not, can you explain for our viewers? Your philosophy, I'm like, why you make yourself accessible as a congressperson, a representative in representative government? - You know, even before this topic on any political issue,

you never really wanna just only talk to one's individual.

And if you wanna get a full and complete picture of something, you wanna talk to as many people that have an interest in something as possible. And as many stakeholders as you can talk to, even the ones that hate each other.

“And I think that that's kind of the way I go about this”

is that I'm not going to pick a tribe and pick a camp. I'm gonna go about this objectively and that means I'm gonna listen and sit down with anybody. - There are reports in UFO media that you were received death threats

if you didn't do X-Root, remove some names from a sensitive document. Is that being blown out of proportion or did that happen? - So let me clarify, I didn't receive a death threat.

I was told that there were two names on a list of people that I was looking through that I was warned to not reach out to those individuals because they have the capabilities and would have no problem having someone like me killed.

Which I found startling, but you know, I've heard that in the narrative of this topic.

This is the first time I've heard about that

and the dangers of this. But it was the first time that I got, I would say, that's probably the closest to that that I've come. - McCastler, Jeremy, you were wondering about McCastler, General McCastler, right?

- Yeah. - And that same vein? - Yeah, kind of, I mean, I don't know a lot about it, but I guess the first question I have for you is like, you know, George and I have had certain experiences

that it's hard to convey to someone who doesn't want to understand the truth about this. Do you believe that that is true? So you've been told that you can be murdered or eliminated as a sitting congressperson.

You know, I know presidents have been attempts on them,

so we know crazy people do stuff. But do you believe that just your inquiry

“into this subject could indeed spur a mortal threat to you?”

Do you believe that? You were told that, but do you believe that? - If any of the stories are true about some of the crimes that have been taking place, if any of that's true, I do believe that.

And so I know just from working with some individuals, David and Jake Barber, that I could tell that they really mean it when they have feared for their lives on this topic. - Yeah, you can see it, but also there's evidence

that they should be fearing for their well-being. You know, really famously, my friend, Duncan Trustle was on Joe Rogan's podcast and Duncan kind of defended me, or not defending, he said something.

He goes, Jeremy and George have to be careful because they're walking on a razor's edge. He's talking about me. He says if he says something wrong, they could kill him for it.

And it was like a comment because he knows stuff about me that other people don't. And Joe said something like, man, it just sounds like a bad spine novel. And I don't disagree.

It does sound like a bad spine novel.

“However, unfortunately, I believe what you believe”

that there are people that will murder people for getting too close to the truth on the UFO topic. And I also believe with evidence or information, with evidence that corroborates that could be exactly how it is. So now I want to ask you about General McCastlin

because man, when I heard that a buddy of mine made a joke said, and he's missing, though. He's missing. We don't know what's going on with General McCastlin. But there are two people that have been found dead.

And George knows all about it.

people think it's connected. So two questions.

You know, first, my buddy said,

we got a three-body problem,

“kind of making a joke like, dude, where is this general?”

So my question to you is, do you know about anything? Do you believe that this is connected in any way to the UFO thing, just your belief? And then too, do you know anything that I don't? Because I don't know a lot about that case.

Well, General McCastlin definitely is connected to the UAP topic. And I know that he is someone that we have been wanting to try to talk to. I know Grush has attempted to communicate with him.

And he's been, actually, I'm surprised that anything is happening, that has something that has happened to him, given the fact that he has been pretty difficult to communicate on. He, every time that anybody's reached out to him,

he said that he has nothing to say on the topic. So maybe, I don't know. But he certainly, we believe that he has a lot to say about this topic. This seems like a pants-on-fire moment

for a guy like him, whether those UFO involvement or not, for him to just vanish, possibly abducted by foreign interests or others, that's a huge moment. Now, the story is kind of picking up steam

in mainstream media, finally.

But geez, it seems like it should be front and center. Certainly, as important as the missing mom of a newscaster. Yeah, it is really disturbing to see anybody disappear. But particularly, one that we believe has a lot of information.

There's a couple of things that Jeremy and I have been wanting to ask you for a while, and we'll take this opportunity, and thank you, again, for your time. The Wall Street Journal put out a story that seemed

aimed at Congress, actually two stories. It aimed at Congress to discourage people like you from asking too many questions about the subject. They said that generations of Air Force officers have been indoctrinated, tricked into believing

that the UFOs and aliens are real,

and that this has been ongoing for many years,

and that's why there's so much interest in crash saucers in alien bodies, is because the Air Force made this up. Seems to me that that would be something that Congress would like to get to the bottom of.

Did you guys really do this? Because it's ridiculous. It would be ridiculous. Yeah, if that's the kind of hazing that's going on, it's extremely disturbing.

If this is literally just a hazing exercise, I don't think it is.

“I think that when people are looking through files,”

and they're reaching out to me because they've seen files, I tend to think that it's more than just some people spreading rumors at the local bar. I think that this is what they've even said is that they try to say that there was a briefing

that was a complete and bogus fake briefing on this topic. Well, that's extremely disturbing, if that's the case. Yeah, the story about Area 51, same newspaper publishes a story. Oh yeah, all that was created by the Air Force,

they gave some phony UFO photos to some bar owner, and that's where the legend came from. If that was their plan, it's pretty darn stupid, I would say, because as a result of their photos supposedly, tens of thousands of people from all over the world,

every major news organization in the world has gone to one of our most secretive, most classified bases, and they're still out there, every single day looking around at what's flying in the sky. That sounds like a bad plan, if it's true, which it isn't.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, explain any no sense whatsoever.

“Yeah, just to be clear, I think that was what I'll call”

false journalism by a guy named Joel Sheckman is that the article we're talking about, George. Yeah, so I was like, you know, to be clear, there were so many lies in that article, I was so sad to read it because they're verifiably false.

So I don't know why a good journalist would ever get verifiably false things in the print. So it felt to me like that was intentional, but I'm just a knucklehead. So who knows, but it felt like that.

I guess my question for you is, I am aware that the people that, you know, they're saying, we're deceived, you know, by just like being tricked. None of them feel that they've been deceived. In fact, they know they haven't been deceived.

So I think we should listen to the hundreds of people that they're trying to talk about and what they have to tell us is that they weren't deceived and they can verify that. Just put them up in Congress for their hand up

So maybe we can get to the bottom of that. Yeah, well, I don't know that I need to do that. I think just talking with Grush, I think that Grush, you know, flatly, you know, you know, denied that article, called it for what it was,

which is why I haven't spent a whole lot of time focused on that article. Back to the political side of this for a moment. You know, for you and Representative Luna, Berchett, the other folks and both houses

who are out in front on this issue, you know, you members of the house,

you're always running for reelection.

You're constantly in campaign mode. I can't imagine that the UFO issue helps you

“in terms of raising money, which you have to do”

if you want to stay there. Is it an overall negative? I mean, no, you're interested there, interested in the issue, but is it an overall negative for you, given that the time you devote to it?

Really is not in your own political interest. Is it? - It is, it's an overall negative. It hasn't been a positive. And like my campaign, I'll just be honest,

my campaign managers set really encouraged me to stop looking into this or taking interviews

and focusing on this because it's a distraction

from the campaign efforts. And, you know, but look, I don't do things because I'm not governed or motivated by what gets me elected. I do things because I think that it's the right thing to do. I gave up a great career, a great profession,

and a lot more money to do this.

“So I'm going to do what I think is right.”

- Looking back now at the hearings that you've held. I mean, there's a very dramatic moments in some of them. They got a lot of coverage. It elevated the position of this issue

in terms of credibility and other mainstream media coverage over the years. Has it been worth it all that effort? And do you think the future of hearings? Well, there'll be more of them, or you think that it's run, it's course.

- We may have more hearings. I'm not going to eliminate that as a possibility. I think that we've had a really good run of individuals, yourself included, that have come forward with so much information.

I think it's now, my focus is trying to find the physical, hard evidence and taking the, all of the information that we've gathered from these hearings and trying to track down the truth or any kind of evidence that can lead us

to point to the truth of what has been said.

“And so that's what, that's what I'm spending my time”

focused on at this point. - Jeremy, to ask you the last, I'm sorry, go ahead, Jeremy. - No, go ahead first. - Jeremy, to ask you the last time we spoke a few days ago about particular information

that's come your way about videos and documents

that are known to exist, but have never been obtained

by Congress. Are you kind of watching that with the idea that maybe you know they're there, you don't have 'em yet, if ever, but that they might disappear before you can get 'em?

- I am, yeah, I've got, I know of video files and documents that exist. I have people that have given me the names of these files. We've just recently sent a request for those files and then we're monitored.

We're having people monitor any activity to see if those files are deleted or the names changed or moved or anything like that. - You know, or if you were to get a file and it was into the one that was named that,

you probably have people that could tell you and that's I think important too. And all of this to say, question. George and I have been receiving some very disturbing testimony from individuals, you know,

military intelligence individuals who are actually just questioned by, I'm just gonna say it, ODNI, they were questioned by them about UFOs. But the predominant theme that we're receiving now is that they were questioned and told you can come in

as a whistleblower and you are protected. You can say anything you are protected. However, all of a sudden the people that questioned them are saying they've all lied, they've all done things that could be legally compromising to them

by coming forward or that they've been tricked. Like we're talking top dogs in the field that work for the government in physics and stuff, that they've just been tricked.

is that within ODNI, underneath Tulsi Gabbard's nose,

unless they're telling it like it is and they really didn't find anything, I fear. And I pretty much know that they're spinning it and that really concerns me, do you have any pressure in Congress from ODNI of people trying to dissuade you?

That people like David Grush are telling you the truth, like Matthew Brown are telling you the truth, like Dylan Burlison are telling you the truth, like how I'll put off is telling the truth. Do you have people trying to dissuade you of that

from within DOAT, ODNI? - I think that we're getting a mixed bag, I think that we're getting some people that have a very skeptical view of some of the whistleblowers and people that have come forward.

And so they're looking for,

they're looking for any flaws and who they are

and what their narrative is. And that's not exactly a horrible thing.

“I think that you need to have some people”

that are very skeptical and try to look for that. But I also think that it's gonna be hard to discredit the number of whistleblowers that have come forward because there have been so many come forward and eventually, I think what's happening

is the flooding of the zone is working. You're having a lot of people, you can't say everybody's crazy that's coming forward or everyone's bought or everybody's drifting. Sorry, I do think that,

now that doesn't mean that there aren't some that are grifting. That certainly is also a possibility. But not everybody.

And so I think that you've got a,

I think that from my perspective and talking with people within that group is that it's a mixed bag. You've got people that are truly diligently trying to, I think they are all truly diligently

trying to get to the bottom of things. And I think that just like myself, I naively think that I may naively be thinking that everybody is really, is telling me the truth, OD and I's in the same boat as I am.

They're trying to investigate. They're going to some of these facilities and locations. They're being told that there's nothing there there. And what, and I don't know that they have the authority to continue to go further than that.

But I do think that now that if they've got some resources behind them on this effort, they're dedicating more people to this topic. It's one of the, it's moved up in priority.

“I think that it's, I think I have hoping hopeful”

that we'll see some progress may. - I have one last question, and then Jeremy, you can take it if you want. I know you can't specify what locations you visited and which ones run your list is still visit

because they're very sensitive places. But there is one place that I would suggest you should visit. It's not a classified location. And I want to see if you have any interesting go in there.

Skinwalker Ranch. Because I guess we could ask Brandon, the owner, if I'm sure he would welcome me if you ever wanted to go there. Gotta worry about hitchhikers though, but any interest.

- You know, if I have time of the schedule, I'll take a look. I have somewhat of an interest. - Yeah. - He's trying to use you as bait.

He tried to use me as bait for, you know, whatever's that skinwalker Ranch. We might cut this part out, but I wanted to make sure I said this on record to you so that it is on record that I've said this

to a sitting congressperson, which is that I'm not sure that you are aware, but congressional record was fabricated, fabricated on one of the times that we did a UAP hearing. It was the time that they chose a journalist

named Michael Shalomberger, Shalomberger. When they used him, there's a whole story, but I wanted you to know and want the public to know 'cause I didn't, I don't know if you're aware, but you can ask representative Birchett,

representative Luna. But somebody fabricated congressional record by putting up a blank page about a macula constellation and people thought it was me upset saying, "Somebody else turned in my homework."

It wasn't that, I was trying to warn people that if you trust the wrong journalist that you are trusting somebody

“who you should who is not worthy of your trust.”

And a lot of that was a setup to get people to trust a journalist who is not worthy of their trust

So where you aware that somebody within the staff

“of Nancy Mace fabricated the congressional record, full stop?”

- So I don't really know much of the details about that. I only heard about that after the fact, probably even a week later. So, and looking into it, it did not see, it's not on a priority for me. I was looking at the content of the document,

not the front cover letter. If you will and what I was told is the front cover letter was removed because it seemed to have material that might be done in a way that might be promoting. And so that was the reason that was given in the need.

- So that was a complete and total line. And I can prove it to you and we don't have to put this in the episode, rep, rep, or listen.

But I want you to know that is a complete and total line

and you and I should display the evidence to you so you can really understand what happened 'cause what happened that day was so much bigger than just a page not getting into congressional record. - Thank you for your time, sir.

Oh, God.

“- I mean, if it's really important to you, that's fine.”

I will say I didn't take anything from a Jeremy. I don't really, no, it is really important. - We're worried about questions where I don't really, I didn't take anything from that. - No, no, I'm not worried about your impressions.

I just wanted to know if you think it's a legal matter that the congressional record was fabricated then you need to know why because the congressional record was fabricated and you should know why as a verb,

I don't need to put this in the episode as a friend, I want you to know because it's actually important. - Okay. - We're going to shame you of a world into helping to support

their champion here at some point. You will have no fingerprints on it, but we're gonna try to get some help to you and Luna and Birchett and others because you're doing great work.

And it takes courage. It takes courage to do this. I imagine you get nothing but grief from colleagues who are not interested. A major media are not kind on this issue as you know.

So, you know, we applaud your efforts. I hope you hang in there. - Thank you. I do, the only negative, I got that was kind of the most harsh was I had my district,

I have the state senator who's a pretty moderate squishy state senator and he went on radio and interviews been mocking me for being involved in this topic, but you know, but I don't think he has the guts to run against me.

So, but yeah, I appreciate any help is very much appreciated. I'm not doing it for the help, but you, X, I might, he has one, see my new puppy dog. - Yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. What's the name of your puppy dog?

- Oakley. - Oakley. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - She is, it's a plot between a poodle and a Australian shepherd. - So, an Aussie doodle. - She likes to lick.

- I am, was not allowed to bring my puppy dog with me 'cause I have to be by Mad Max and the Godfather today. I'm in a remote location, but I was gonna bring my boy

“that's so cute, man, how long have you had the puppy dog?”

- We've got her in right for Christmas. - Cool. See, there's a campaign commercial right there. There's the image right there.

- Thank you, thanks Eric, it was great talking to him as always.

These members of Congress, I don't think people realize that they are always in campaign mode, in effect. Because to stay in office, they have to raise money for their campaigns. They run every two years, the members of the house.

They're always in campaign mode. So, they have to raise money for their campaigns and represent a Burlson wouldn't say this publicly. And I doubt Tim Birchett or Representative Luna would either, but pursuing UFO truth is a loser for them

in terms of what it means for their campaigns and their political survival. You know, they spend time on this thing. And, you know, time taken away from other issues and duties and one of they get, they get grief from critics.

They get hit pieces from mainstream media. They get almost zero financial support from UFO world. There aren't any, or at least not many, UFO folks who kick in a few bucks to help reelect the members who are doing the heavy lifting on this issue,

risking their careers and credibility to try to pierce the veil of secrecy.

on this issue on various platforms.

Take the time to write a check for 10 bucks, for 25 bucks or something, to help keep him in office and keep him in the hunt for truth on this. Just, I'm just putting it out there, you know, UFO curious people in Missouri who live in his district

is home state should step up if they think he's doing a good job on this issue at others. And same for Tim Birchett, Representative Luna, a lot of Democrats are interested in this Jeremy. We've seen that, you know, this be the only bipartisan issue

in Congress.

We've seen it firsthand at these various hearings.

Mosque with, for example, Jamie Raskin asks some pretty good questions at one of those hearings. And just putting it out there, say something

“that I think those members of Congress would be reluctant”

to say for themselves, but if you can handle a few bucks to help reelect some of these people, you should keep that in mind. - Yeah, I really feel like I said, you know, many times over the last year we need in the UFO world,

we need a people's champ. And, you know, we do have some. And I think Burlson, you know, that's a Muhammad Ali reference, you know, Rep Burlson is the people's champ, you know, he'll rope a dope, he'll play around.

He is strong, and he has gotten access to things that we've only dreamed that people were gonna be told that they're gonna get access to. To be clear, I think he's publicly said that, you know, he saw where something could be held,

but didn't see anything yet, but that he's got a shot, you know, he got a shot.

“And I think my earlier Donki Hotel comment,”

'cause they don't really know the fable, how I saw it was that you've got a guy that's up against, like you said, like the windmill is something indomitable, right, you're, you don't know what you're looking at, but they're big and you're up against it.

We all gotta get behind them, you know, he's the people's champ, but we're the people. - What is open? - Indefinable, mysterious tower that conveys everything. I feel it, though I do not see it.

It is this unseen tower, which makes it feel good. - Sorry, that's like literally in my alarm, that my wife hates that, because she's like Gandhi,

can never be more annoying, but, you know, there's,

there's a tower, yeah, it happens a lot. I have to remember to brush my teeth and stuff, but, anyway, back to Donki Hotel, so people's champ, what I'm feeling like is with people, we have to fight for the people fighting for us.

So I don't know if Donki Hotel had some homies to help them fight or if even one, the battle against the indomitable,

“but that's what Rep. Burlison, Rep. Luna,”

Rep. Burlch and others that are never been named or up against, how did that fableander, what did he gain, compared to what he thought he would gain, do you know, in that parable? - True love, you know.

- Oh wow. - So he doesn't, he doesn't physically defeat his opponent. And it's an impossible, it's the impossible dream, that's a song from it, but, in the end, he maintains his dignity and is a considerate valiant hero.

- Well, let's do better than that. He's got true love, because I saw his little puppy right there, right? And let's, let's, let's, let's top of those windmills, or let's find out what the windmills are, you know. Let's, let's fight man, if, if he's gonna be the people's champ

in any way, then the people need to fight too. (upbeat music)